Trump Is Embarrassed Into Visiting a War Zone for the First Time

Clearly embarrassed by the numerous media outlets pointing out that he hasn’t visited US troops in a war zone in the two years since he was elected, Donald Trump and trophy wife number 3 made a hasty belated Christmas junket to Al Asad Air Base in Iraq today.

(Aside: have you ever noticed that when Trump smiles it always looks like he’s gloating about putting something over on somebody?)

Oddly enough, the visit also coincides with the New York Times’ publication of their investigation into how Trump dodged the draft during the Vietnam War with a phony diagnosis of “bone spurs.”

Sure would have been nice if the Times had decided to do this investigation a bit sooner; say, about two and a half years ago.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:45:20am

His hair in that picture looks like a bath sponge floating on top of his bald head.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:46:59am

2 of 3 troops expressions visible in that image fall into the ‘bemused’ category.

“How did I find myself here?”

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:47:01am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:47:33am

re: #1 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

His hair in that picture looks like a bath sponge floating on top of his bald head.

The giant Christmas decorated tumbleweed out in front of our village hall looks better.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:47:45am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:48:05am

Same smile that he used to greet Putin at the November meeting in Paris to commemorate the 100th year anniversary of the armistice.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:48:06am

re: #3 lawhawk

And speaking in front of an audience that knows better.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:48:42am

re: #1 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

His hair in that picture looks like a bath sponge floating on top of his bald head.

Baghdad weather for the 26th, high of 58 with humidity around 72%. Can’t imagine humidity would be good for whatever that thing is that is on his head.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:48:53am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

The giant Christmas decorated tumbleweed out in front of our village hall looks better.

I suppose instead of a bath sponge, it could be a tumbleweed.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:49:38am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

Because he is.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:50:38am

re: #10 KGxvi

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:51:45am

re: #2 jaunte

2 of 3 troops expressions visible in that image fall into the ‘bemused’ category.

“How did I find myself here?”

Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime (Official Video)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:53:08am

re: #9 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I suppose instead of a bath sponge, it could be a tumbleweed.

A few days before Christmas a giant tumbleweed nearly the size of my car blew up on the lawn of the village hall. A woman across the street thought it would be funny to decorate it, so she staked it down to the lawn, then a bunch of people hung decorations from it (garlands, ornaments, &c).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:54:11am
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:54:51am
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b_sharp  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:54:52am

Look at that fake smile on Melania’s face. She doesn’t want to be there.

She’s probably wishing she were back in New York with her boy-toy. (No, I don’t mean Trump)

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:56:52am
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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:57:08am

?? So he said nothing embarrassing on this visit?? Maybe he is finally listening to someone other than Putin, Mbs and Erdogan for foreign policy?

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:58:31am

re: #17 gocart mozart

personal generosity

Endless gales of laughter continuing until the heat death of the universe.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:58:47am

They’re trying to make this out to be a long-planned and pre-planned trip to the region.

Uh huh.

Right.

They did it on the down low because they were shamed into doing it - not because of security concerns.

This wasn’t GWB flying in for Thanksgiving. This was Trump needing props to prop up his corrupt admin.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 11:59:04am

re: #17 gocart mozart

possibly because they possess few of them

He seems to have misspelled “he”, or maybe his phone autocorrected it to “they”.

Grifters and con-men got to stick together, I suppose.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:01:11pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

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Ho. Lee. Shit.

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Alephnaught  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:01:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:02:38pm
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bd(Redacted)  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:03:59pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

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Joining the President in his 1969 trip to South Vietnam, she became the first First Lady to visit a combat zone, flying just 18 miles from Saigon in an open helicopter and accompanied by Secret Service agents draped with bandoleers.

firstladies.org

Pat Nixon

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:04:03pm
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Mattand  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:06:34pm

Quick factoid from Trumpland in SC: did you know that Charles Krauthammer was a liberal?

Kill.
Me.
Know.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:07:29pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Clearly, amnesia is a side effect of reporting on DT.

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:08:15pm

it’s true

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Mattand  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:08:22pm

re: #25 bd(Redacted)

firstladies.org

Pat Nixon

Dear Martha Radditz:

Probably should have asked Santa for a research intern this year.

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Interesting Times  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:08:24pm

Makes perfect sense, come to think of it:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:08:28pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Someone beat me to it

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:08:40pm

Interesting count. (I was looking for First Ladies who’d visited combat zones but didn’t find any.)

I did find a list of visits from Franklin Delano Roosevelt through Obama in 2014, a list of forty-three visits at Military dot com.

military.com

In that list for Republicans, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and GHW Bush each visited once. GW Bush made eight visits. Ford made no visits.

Obama made seven, FDR and Bill Clinton made three each, LBJ made two.

military.com (written in July 2016)

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:09:57pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:10:36pm

re: #30 Mattand

Dear Martha Radditz:

Probably should have asked Santa for a research intern this year.

Or instruction on web searches.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:11:05pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

And I found a First Lady before Melania Trump: Laura Bush visited Afghanistan in 2008.

reuters.com

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:11:12pm

I guarantee you all, it’s a lead-pipe cinch that every soldier in that photo op was there only after asking if they supported Trump, and answering in the affirmative.

And I think it’s about time to do a comparison of that tiny claque of administration-approved enlisted personnel with the absolute mob scenes that they showed Obama.

THIS is what real admiration looks like.
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:13:11pm

re: #30 Mattand

Dear Martha Radditz:

Probably should have asked Santa for a research intern this year.

I was a little slower than you, but if I can do this stuff from way out here in the middle of nowhere, and you can do this stuff as well, what’s Ms. Raddiz’s excuse other than to plump for Melania Trump?

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:13:49pm

re: #29 gocart mozart

it’s true

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I’ll never unhear that.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:13:53pm
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Mattand  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:15:27pm

re: #38 Anymouse 🌹

I was a little slower than you, but if I can do this stuff from way out here in the middle of nowhere, and you can do this stuff as well, what’s Ms. Raddiz’s excuse other than to plump for Melania Trump?

For some reason, this use of this word in this context strikes me as hilarious and just a shade naughty.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:15:30pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

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GFY Mike please.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:15:49pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:17:51pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:17:58pm

“Trump finally looks Presidential. This could be an historic pivot!”

- Chris Cillizza, later today

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:18:46pm

“Far in advance” is relative with this crew. 48 hours qualifies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:20:17pm

re: #34 gocart mozart

Wow, that’s pretty specific, and a pretty low bar for Trump there, Mr. Huckabee.

At least he didn’t boil her rabbit?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:21:24pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:22:52pm

re: #46 Barefoot Grin

“Far in advance” is relative with this crew. 48 hours qualifies.

I was just about to type this same comment.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:23:38pm

re: #37 makeitstop

I guarantee you all, it’s a lead-pipe cinch that every soldier in that photo op was there only after asking if they supported Trump, and answering in the affirmative.

And I think it’s about time to do a comparison of that tiny claque of administration-approved enlisted personnel with the absolute mob scenes that they showed Obama.

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And that explains the high incidence of persons of color? I think they were there because a superior ordered them to show up. Or they were bored out of their minds.

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:24:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:24:30pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

He did mention it to his advisors back in November. It does take time to set this sort of thing up, and if someone was actually on the ball in the maladministration, they wouldn’t mention it until it was happening. (Lots of things can go wrong to scrub such a visit.)

White House discusses possible Trump visit to troops in Iraq or Afghanistan (goes to the Washington Post)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:24:51pm

re: #37 makeitstop

I guarantee you all, it’s a lead-pipe cinch that every soldier in that photo op was there only after asking if they supported Trump, and answering in the affirmative.

And I think it’s about time to do a comparison of that tiny claque of administration-approved enlisted personnel with the absolute mob scenes that they showed Obama.

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But what about the black guy?

Half /

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:26:14pm

re: #50 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

And that explains the high incidence of persons of color? I think they were there because a superior ordered them to show up. Or they were bored out of their minds.

Black Trump supporters do exist. Not a whole lot of them, but they’re out there.

But the chances of them being ordered to show up are just as good, I guess.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:28:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:29:34pm

re: #54 makeitstop

Black Trump supporters do exist. Not a whole lot of them, but they’re out there.

But the chances of them being ordered to show up are just as good, I guess.

All the time I was in the Navy we never had a politician show up anywhere I was stationed. The highest ranked military person (aside from when I was in boot camp) was COMFAIRMED when I was stationed in Rota, and everyone was required to turn out unless they were on watch or in the hospital.

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plansbandc  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:29:47pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I don’t think he’s capable of a real smile. There’s not one thing about him that’s genuine.

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MsJ  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:30:14pm

re: #48 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That was awesome.

I could almost hear each of them saying their lines.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:37:47pm

Winter Storm Warning cancelled here, shifted to a Winter Weather Advisory. I guess breaking out my snow shovel worked as a talisman against the weather.

On the other hand, we’re scheduled for ice accumulation this evening, so there goes my Internet service, you lucky devils.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:38:18pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

The theory may be that if he is praised for doing what’s right, he might be persuaded to continue doing what’s right. He doesn’t know the difference between good and evil but he does know the difference between laudatory words and condemnations. It’s not that I want good behavior to lead him into reelection; it’s that if he does what’s right, it will benefit the nation.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:40:08pm

re: #27 Mattand

Quick factoid from Trumpland in SC: did you know that Charles Krauthammer was a liberal?

Kill.
Me.
Know.

Krauthammer did support abortion legalization (though I think he was one of those “Roe was not rightly decided” types), and supported a carbon tax. So, for some, that’s enough to make him a dirty commie pinko.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:40:55pm

I do like their snark.

Twitter Gun Lady Shoots Up Innocent Wood Board For Wishing Her ‘Happy Holidays’ (Wonkette, more at the link):

Kaitlin Bennett, the former Kent State student famous for trying to be famous by posing all sexily with a gun down her pants all the time, has a special Holiday Christmas message for all of us heathens out here, but most especially for one particularly secular large wooden board.

Technically, it was self-defense. Bennett had been minding her own business in an empty lot, all alone on Christmas, holding an assault rifle, when this wooden board had the audacity to wish her Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. Mostly because she had made a large sign that said “Happy Holidays” and then taped it to said board, but still. Was she about to stand there and take that? Was she going to be disrespected like that, and by an inanimate object of all things? No, she was not.

“Where’s Kaitlin?” someone in her family surely wondered as they gathered round for their Christmas feast. “Out back, shooting angrily at a wooden board what wronged her,” someone else probably replied. “Again?” asked another.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:43:08pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:44:31pm

Why would anyone at this point be surprised that some of our media are going to try their hardest to normalize the idiot that is called president?

They have been doing it since he began his damn campaign in 2015.

If he tanks this country they will say “he tried so hard to save it.”

Fuck ‘em all.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:44:35pm
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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:44:38pm

re: #54 makeitstop

Black Trump supporters do exist. Not a whole lot of them, but they’re out there.

But the chances of them being ordered to show up are just as good, I guess.

If you assume 325m people in the US, and African Americans make up about 13%, that’s about 42.25m black people in the US. According to a recent YouGov poll, 2% of black people strongly support Trump, and another 5% somewhat support him. Let’s go with 7% of 42.25m, that’s still almost three million black Americans who support Trump to some degree.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:46:39pm

re: #59 Anymouse 🌹

Winter Storm Warning cancelled here, shifted to a Winter Weather Advisory. I guess breaking out my snow shovel worked as a talisman against the weather.

On the other hand, we’re scheduled for ice accumulation this evening, so there goes my Internet service, you lucky devils.

We’ll be under an advisory later tonight. Hoping it misses us as I need to walk down to the bus in the morning so I can pick up my bimonthly pittance.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:46:47pm

re: #63 lawhawk

Is this because Bibi thinks he can get a stronger majority, or because his coalition has lost faith in him as PM?

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:47:26pm

Wait… wut?

What the frak is that bit at the end where Trump floppy hands away from the soldier who was shaking his hand at the time?

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:47:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:48:41pm
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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:49:24pm

re: #70 lawhawk

Wait… wut?

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First response is a “Not sure if serious” gif. So there’s that.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:49:28pm

re: #70 lawhawk

He can’t stop revealing himself in every gesture.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:50:21pm

Seems legit.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:50:41pm

Well, I guess we should be encouraged?

Trump’s going to go deaf, someone will try to kill Putin and Europe will suffer a financial collapse: What blind mystic Baba Vanga says will happen in 2019 after ‘predicting’ 9/11 and Brexit

The famous blind Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga is a cult conspiracy theory figure

She died in 1996 aged 85, but has still been predicting what is in store each year

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:51:45pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Seems legit.

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You can practically hear the Russian accent!

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:51:54pm

Boiling frog croaks “it was always like this.”

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:52:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:53:18pm
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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:54:26pm

Okay, so he finally went. At least when he wakes up tomorrow Fox & Friends will be so busy jizzing over his Iraq visit that they’ll make him the happiest guy on a pee soaked mattress at Mar a Lago.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:55:39pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Bill Prady

@billprady
Pay attention.

Trump’s trip to visit troops is cover so he can get to Florida.

He needs to get to Mar-a-Lago for NYE. They sold tickets to a party and promised access to the president.

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1:38 PM - Dec 26, 2018

Let’s see where they return to. Will believe it only if they end up in Florida.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:56:08pm

Robot Chicken once had a horrible take on the biblical Christmas Story (1:18)

Born In A Manger | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:56:10pm

Fuck. Replacement tweet per comments.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:56:11pm

I see Thanos has posted one of the new Raconteurs tune videos on the side bar.

Glad to see Jack and those guys get back and do some new tunes. I love all of Jack’s stuff, but I think The Raconteurs are may favorite of his bands.

I need good music to get me through these times.

Here is another rocker that popped out the other day.

The Raconteurs - “Sunday Driver” (Official Video)

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:57:07pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s see where they return to. Will believe it only if they end up in Florida.

A brief stopover in DC to cover his fat ass. Then on to Florida.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:57:41pm

re: #85 darthstar

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2007.

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mmmirele  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:57:49pm

re: #61 KGxvi

Krauthammer did support abortion legalization (though I think he was one of those “Roe was not rightly decided” types), and supported a carbon tax. So, for some, that’s enough to make him a dirty commie pinko.

Given what’s happened with Roe, it was probably wrongly decided (and that’s a hard thing to admit, because me and a whole undergrad class argued with a prof on Roe in 1983). I’d challenge abortion restrictions on First Amendment grounds today and I’m not the only one to think this. I believe there are female members of The Satanic Temple challenging abortion laws on similar grounds as a violation of their religious belief that they should control their own bodies.

In the meantime, when the opportunity crosses my path, I remind pro-lifers that abortions occurred before Roe and would still happen after Roe.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:58:03pm

re: #85 darthstar

That’s from 2007…

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:58:53pm

re: #88 makeitstop

2007.

Fuck.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:59:04pm

re: #85 darthstar

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2007 was again???

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 26, 2018 • 12:59:32pm
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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:00:24pm

re: #91 darthstar

Fuck.

I only noticed because someone posted it on Facebook this morning.

Rusty’s face hasn’t been that (comparitively) slim since when he got busted.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:01:15pm

Get ready to watch Trump crow about today’s Dow index if it holds. Could be the biggest day increase in 7 years or so.

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:01:54pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Get ready to watch Trump crow about today’s Dow index if it holds. Could be the biggest day increase in 7 years or so.

He should leave the country for 14 hours of flight more often.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:02:09pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:02:35pm

re: #94 makeitstop

I only noticed because someone posted it on Facebook this morning.

Rusty’s face hasn’t been that (comparitively) slim since when he got busted.

I went to the link and saw the date on the article.

I forgive darth though because he was good to us and posted pics of his doggos the last couple days.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:02:35pm

re: #89 mmmirele

..

In the meantime, when the opportunity crosses my path, I remind pro-lifers that abortions occurred before Roe and would still happen after Roe.

True — but it was illegal and people could be prosecuted. That’s the world the pro-lifers want to re-impose: making abortion dangerous and increasing harm to the women who have one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:03:49pm

good that Melanoma had time to send one of her serfs off to pick up some brand new combat work boots. Surprised she not wearing couture camo.

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:03:57pm

So Trump goes to Iraq and tells the troops there they might come in handy if Syria goes to shit now that we’re pulling out of there…Talk about making people feel disposable.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:05:00pm

DJIA up nearly 1,000 points today…

It’s amazing how the markets react to RBG being released from the hospital. /

Oh, you mean that it had nothing to do with her? Or that Trump was silent for nearly the entire trading day? Yeah, that’s not a coincidence.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:06:16pm

re: #1 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

His hair in that picture looks like a bath sponge floating on top of his bald head.

makeitstop, you think I’m being unnecessarily cruel to bath sponges?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:08:41pm

re: #89 mmmirele

Given what’s happened with Roe, it was probably wrongly decided (and that’s a hard thing to admit, because me and a whole undergrad class argued with a prof on Roe in 1983). I’d challenge abortion restrictions on First Amendment grounds today and I’m not the only one to think this. I believe there are female members of The Satanic Temple challenging abortion laws on similar grounds as a violation of their religious belief that they should control their own bodies.

In the meantime, when the opportunity crosses my path, I remind pro-lifers that abortions occurred before Roe and would still happen after Roe.

I’m not a lawyer so I can’t say, though making an argument on right to privacy and due process seems reasonable to me.

7-2 seems pretty clear.

Moreover, in the past, states would oppose women seeking a safe abortion by dragging it into court. The idea was since pregnancy only lasts so long, by the time it got to court the case was moot.

Roe was argued as a class action case, the first time that was ever allowed.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:09:18pm

re: #60 Hecuba’s daughter

The theory may be that if he is praised for doing what’s right, he might be persuaded to continue doing what’s right. He doesn’t know the difference between good and evil but he does know the difference between laudatory words and condemnations. It’s not that I want good behavior to lead him into reelection; it’s that if he does what’s right, it will benefit the nation.

Call me cynical, but I don’t think that will ever happen. The “reward good behavior” approach might work with a 7-year old, maybe even with a teenager. But Trump’s 72 years old, and he’s been rewarded for bad behavior his entire life. He’s not changing now.

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:10:23pm

re: #89 mmmirele

Given what’s happened with Roe, it was probably wrongly decided (and that’s a hard thing to admit, because me and a whole undergrad class argued with a prof on Roe in 1983). I’d challenge abortion restrictions on First Amendment grounds today and I’m not the only one to think this. I believe there are female members of The Satanic Temple challenging abortion laws on similar grounds as a violation of their religious belief that they should control their own bodies.

In the meantime, when the opportunity crosses my path, I remind pro-lifers that abortions occurred before Roe and would still happen after Roe.

I think the Ninth Amendment argument is the best, and is critical to all of the cases that developed under the right to privacy. The Bill of Rights was not an exhaustive list of rights, and recognizing other fundamental rights has always been a job for the Courts (nobody wants their rights defined by legislative majorities). The problem, ultimately with the decision in Roe was this:

We, therefore, conclude that the right of personal privacy includes the abortion decision, but that this right is not unqualified and must be considered against important state interests in regulation.

That has always been a backdoor into undermining the right to privacy.

The other problem is that Griswold was very mealymouthed in recognizing the right to privacy rather than just basing it clearly on the Ninth Amendment.

I’ll also admit, even within the world of constitutional law scholars, the Ninth Amendment argument doesn’t get a lot of support. But it really does seem like the best way to address these sorts of issues.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:10:51pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

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scheduled far in advance…good thing it wasn’t raining…

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sagehen  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:12:32pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Interesting count. (I was looking for First Ladies who’d visited combat zones but didn’t find any.)

I did find a list of visits from Franklin Delano Roosevelt through Obama in 2014, a list of forty-three visits at Military dot com.

military.com

In that list for Republicans, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and GHW Bush each visited once. GW Bush made eight visits. Ford made no visits.

Obama made seven, FDR and Bill Clinton made three each, LBJ made two.

military.com (written in July 2016)

Ford gets a pass; the only combat zone during his time was the one we were doing a rushed evacuation from.

And because that evac was so rushed we didn’t bring the people we’d promised to bring, we didn’t even have enough time to shred the files full of their names and addresses and photos and they ended up desperately putting to sea… Ford did go to Capitol Hill to beg (and it did require begging; nobody was cooperating easily) for refugee visas to let the boat people come here. Because we owed them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:13:32pm
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Jay C  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:13:55pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

True — but it was illegal and people could be prosecuted. That’s the world the pro-lifers want to re-impose: making abortion dangerous and increasing harm to the a certain class of “those” women who have one.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:14:03pm
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BeachDem  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:15:17pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

good that Melanoma had time to sent one of her serfs off to pick up some brand new combat work boots. Surprised she not wearing couture camo.

I find Melon almost as vomit-inducing as the orange thing.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:19:28pm

re: #103 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

makeitstop, you think I’m being unnecessarily cruel to bath sponges?

Bath sponges would no doubt be embarrassed at the comparison, and would demand an apology.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:19:32pm

re: #87 makeitstop

A brief stopover in DC to cover his fat ass. Then on to Florida.

If the Senate manages to pass the House CR before he gets back, he’ll return to Florida.

Pretty sure that’s not gonna happen

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:20:55pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:24:00pm

re: #112 BeachDem

I find Melon almost as vomit-inducing as the orange thing.

fake…Fake…FAKE!

She just seems to be doing her time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:24:21pm

barf

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:26:42pm
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sagehen  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:28:49pm

re: #89 mmmirele

Given what’s happened with Roe, it was probably wrongly decided (and that’s a hard thing to admit, because me and a whole undergrad class argued with a prof on Roe in 1983). I’d challenge abortion restrictions on First Amendment grounds today and I’m not the only one to think this. I believe there are female members of The Satanic Temple challenging abortion laws on similar grounds as a violation of their religious belief that they should control their own bodies.

To my way of thinking, abortion rights is a 13th Amendment thing — an unwanted pregnancy is involuntary servitude.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:29:46pm

MULLET ENTHUSIASTS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:29:51pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:30:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:31:23pm
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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:32:03pm

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

The fuck did I just read? If the most difficult thing for you is flying on a plane with the lights off at night…

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:32:42pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

That is a look of a man thinking, “I can’t believe these people actually bought a time share from me.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:33:58pm
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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:34:05pm

More photo op bulkshit.

Why were those troops wearing that gear in the mess hall?

Yeah, it’s a photo op.

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Alephnaught  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:35:11pm

Sanity break: Someone posted their Christmas songs on a certain social media site, and I responded: Wot, no “All I Want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague Away Kit” by Half Man Half Biscuit?

HALF MAN HALF BISCUIT - All I Want For Christmas Is A Dukla Prague Away Kit

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:36:11pm

re: #119 sagehen

To my way of thinking, abortion rights is a 13th Amendment thing — an unwanted pregnancy is involuntary servitude.

There are a number of ways you can argue it.

Since conservatives equal foetus to baby, the XIII Amendment argument could be countered with a cruel and unusual punishment argument. (If someone enslaves another, the penalty is not death.)

Body autonomy works for me. No one is required to give up their body, even after they die, to keep another alive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:36:55pm

re: #127 lawhawk

More photo op bulkshit.

Why were those troops wearing that gear in the mess hall?

Yeah, it’s a photo op.

No guns though. No one is going to allow military personnel guns around the President, even in a combat zone.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:37:16pm

re: #89 mmmirele

Given what’s happened with Roe, it was probably wrongly decided (and that’s a hard thing to admit, because me and a whole undergrad class argued with a prof on Roe in 1983). I’d challenge abortion restrictions on First Amendment grounds today and I’m not the only one to think this. I believe there are female members of The Satanic Temple challenging abortion laws on similar grounds as a violation of their religious belief that they should control their own bodies.

In the meantime, when the opportunity crosses my path, I remind pro-lifers that abortions occurred before Roe and would still happen after Roe.

If the government can tell a woman she can’t have an abortion (or for that matter must have an abortion), they’re telling her she has no right to control her own bodily functions—IOW, that her body doesn’t belong to her. Any person whose own body does not belong to them is a slave—in this case a slave of the State. The 13th Amendment prohibits slavery.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:38:07pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Eyewitness News

@ABC7NY
Stocks rally back, Dow up over 1,000 points 7ny.tv

4
3:17 PM - Dec 26, 2018

One never knows with the market. If Trump shuts up, it could soar to a new high by the end of the year — or it could resume its downward spiral. Can he resist boasting about its performance today?

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:38:11pm

re: #112 BeachDem

I find Melon almost as vomit-inducing as the orange thing.

Speaking of melons…we watched Die Hard before Xmas (as one does) and we were having cocktails with our neighbor one night and talking about it and she said they watched it on broadcast TV, and the “Yippie ki aye motherfucker” line was dubbed “Yippie ki aye melon farmer” and she thought that was so funny she was printing it onto t-shirts.

Had us saying ‘melon farmer’ to each other the rest of the holiday - and at the dinner table over Xmas dinner. Good times.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:38:32pm

re: #119 sagehen

To my way of thinking, abortion rights is a 13th Amendment thing — an unwanted pregnancy is involuntary servitude.

Should have read ahead….

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:39:43pm
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steve_davis  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:40:58pm

re: #1 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

His hair in that picture looks like a bath sponge floating on top of his bald head.

it makes sense. it is on top because as you go further into his head, things get more and more dense. the lighter stuff floats on the shit below it.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:41:27pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

Establishment GOP types who whine about @realDonaldTrump ‘s lack of character focus on his vices but are blind to his virtues—creativity, empathy for the little guy, courage, boldness in action, personal generosity—possibly because they possess few of them

creativity? no that’s chaos masquerading
empathy? “I love the poorly educated”
courage? cadet bone spurs
boldness in action? do what i tell you or someone else will fire you
personal generosity? donating your own money to “the trump foundation” to create a tax deduction out of whole cloth, then imploding the foundation

…possibly because he possess none of them

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KGxvi  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:41:34pm

Speaking of timeshares:

A former sales executive for Marriott Vacations Worldwide alleges in a lawsuit that he was asked to dance during meetings as entertainment for other employees and that a photo of the character Buckwheat was used to represent him during a team building exercise.

You’d think a Marriott company would have someone in HR to say “no, don’t do that sort of shit.”

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:42:45pm

Ack!

I had local NBC on, sound down pretty low and working away on my computers and there was this “Breaking News” graphic and that announcing a big story music.

So I turn it up to see if anything important…

It is about Trump’s surprise trip and how it was planned and how big a trip this was for Trump.

I am just so sick of all this crap. I know they have to cover his lard ass, but he and his backers will make this a thing. Just so tired of Trump.

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steve_davis  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:44:10pm

re: #8 KGxvi

Baghdad weather for the 26th, high of 58 with humidity around 72%. Can’t imagine humidity would be good for whatever that thing is that is on his head.

that “thing” is an orange magoo, which is an endangered species that evolved so that animals with major hair loss could wear the magoo. the fact that it is orange suggests that it’s a chain smoker.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:44:14pm

Crawling back under my rock. Good day Lizards.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:44:30pm

OPERATION MANBABY PROP

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:45:16pm

Anyone here familiar with One Medical? Anybody use them?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:47:26pm

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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:47:34pm

re: #142 jaunte

I’m willing to bet they were all empty of anything that could possibly be used as a weapon. Last thing Trump wants is armed soldiers around him.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:51:06pm

re: #76 freetoken

Well, I guess we should be encouraged?

Trump’s going to go deaf, someone will try to kill Putin and Europe will suffer a financial collapse: What blind mystic Baba Vanga says will happen in 2019 after ‘predicting’ 9/11 and Brexit

The famous blind Bulgarian mystic Baba Vanga is a cult conspiracy theory figure

She died in 1996 aged 85, but has still been predicting what is in store each year

i think l ron hubbard wrote more books after he died than when he was alive

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:52:28pm

re: #79 makeitstop

[Embedded content]In all seriousness, that a man who had a doctor who owed his dad a favor write him a letter faking an ailment so he could dodge the draft has the gall to pretend he’s some vehement supporter of the troops and the military is fucking appalling.

wanna prove you ‘support the troops”?

fund the goddamn VA and put a serious person in charge

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:52:30pm

I sort of grok how Newton ended up being a numerologist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:53:08pm

My list of things we could not bribe the Texas legislature to do no matter how much money we had:

1. Commit mass suicide.
2. Uh, do any other Lone Star Lizards have any ideas?

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:54:19pm

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Get a science degree.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:54:50pm

re: #86 ObserverArt

I see Thanos has posted one of the new Raconteurs tune videos on the side bar.

Glad to see Jack and those guys get back and do some new tunes. I love all of Jack’s stuff, but I think The Raconteurs are may favorite of his bands.

I need good music to get me through these times
.

Here is another rocker that popped out the other day.

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i am toying with re-upping my new year’s resolution to listen to every piece of music posted here

i have not yet committed

2018’s resolution went to shit

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:56:26pm

Wow, my regional newspaper published a conservative columnist going after Trump. They usually only publish praise for Pumpkin Pinochet. What happened? Was there a revolt at the office?

(There is also a column by Cal Thomas noting that good can only come from God, though. A variant on “atheists can’t be good.”)

KATHLEEN PARKER: The Grinch has lost his mind (Goes to the Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald, more at the link):

‘Tis not the season to be jolly, thanks to Donald Trump.

His sudden, unilateral decision to withdraw troops from Syria, forcing the resignation of Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis — one of the last bulwarks against the president’s impulsivity — has cast a pall on the holidays and, perhaps, the future.

In his letter of resignation, Mattis said the president deserves a defense secretary who is “better aligned” with his worldview. This alone is a terrifying thought — what madman (or woman) would fit that description? There can’t be many generals left who would want the task of taking orders from a commander-in-chief who developed his military strategy playing Monopoly.

CAL THOMAS: No peace or goodwill

The true meaning of Christmas is this: God took on the form of a human to die in our place, paying for our sins, so that humans who receive Him might be forgiven and be with Him forever.

You are free to reject that message and the One who delivered it, but what you are not free to do is to redefine or change the message into something that fits your own beliefs and choices.

Wrong, Cal. I am free to define Christmas and its meaning however I like. You are not free to impose your meaning on me.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:57:22pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Get ready to watch Trump crow about today’s Dow index if it holds. Could be the biggest day increase in 7 years or so.

yeah
pay no attention to the previous 359 days of this year

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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 1:57:28pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

Dish Dzousa must be hitting the sauce again

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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:00:27pm

re: #17 gocart mozart

I well remember during the 90’s when conservatives balanced their anti-Bill Clinton tirades and smear attacks with all the talk of Bill’s virtues.

//

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Skip Intro  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:01:04pm

Rush Limbaugh looks like he’s been embalmed.

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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:01:34pm

re: #82 darthstar

Okay, so he finally went. At least when he wakes up tomorrow Fox & Friends will be so busy jizzing over his Iraq visit that they’ll make him the happiest guy on a pee soaked mattress at Mar a Lago.

Remember when Obama never went to see The Troops?

////

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:03:28pm
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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:04:43pm

re: #156 Skip Intro

Rush Limbaugh looks like he’s been embalmed.

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Looks like a real ‘man of the people’, non-elitist, type meeting there.

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Skip Intro  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:06:55pm

re: #159 Sir John Barron

Are those three guys behind Limbaugh the ones who are running the VA?

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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:07:17pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

“Such a great invasion of this Country I won. Just like Syria.”

///

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Sir John Barron  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:10:19pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

“I was a soldier, fought in WWII and Vietnam. I just don’t brag about it, OK? I have all the medals and awards and uniforms. I just don’t show them off. I killed many enemy soldiers. Not many people know that.”

/

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:15:41pm

The California SuperLotto Plus game is slowly building its jackpot to where people will start to pay attention. Currently at $34M, the chance of winning is a relatively (compared to MegaMillions) easy 1:41 million… and at only $1 per play the game can be attractive.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:21:40pm

re: #151 dangerman

i am toying with re-upping my new year’s resolution to listen to every piece of music posted here

i have not yet committed

2018’s resolution went to shit

Does that include the comments sections, or just the right hand column?

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Archangelus  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:23:59pm

In today’s episode of “Will It/Won’t It Get Me Blocked”:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:24:01pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:25:02pm

Individual One didn’t torture the girl’s puppy to death either, so Huck is awed by his restraint.
Mike Huckabee On Backlash To Trump’s Santa Call: He Didn’t Boil The Girl’s Bunny

While discussing the president’s phone call with a 7-year-old girl, Huckabee referenced the 1987 erotic thriller “Fatal Attraction,” as you do.

It’s not clear why Huckabee was inspired to cite “Fatal Attraction,” Adrian Lyne’s 1987 thriller about a woman (Glenn Close) who at one point seeks revenge on her ex-lover (Michael Douglas) by boiling his daughter’s pet rabbit in a pot on the stove after he scorns her.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:26:41pm
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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:30:01pm

re: #164 Anymouse 🌹

Does that include the comments sections, or just the right hand column?

anywhere, mouse ;-)
main page posts, right side posts and comments
comments is where a lot of the music is

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:35:55pm

re: #169 dangerman

anywhere, mouse ;-)
main page posts, right side posts and comments
comments is where a lot of the music is

You’re going to use up all the notes.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:36:51pm

FWIW, your highest expected return from one of the big lotteries will likely happen this coming weekend, if no one wins the PowerBall tonight.

Once the jackpot numbers get past the middle 300’s, the likelihood that more than one ticket will win the jackpot starts to rise noticeably.

Not a lot of jackpots have crossed the $400M mark. The last big one that had a single winner was the South Carolina MegaMillions winner in October, but that person has yet to come forward and claim the pot (and they are now down to 4 months to do so.)

2018 will be a record year for lottery revenues in the 44 jurisdictions that sell tickets for the big lotteries.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:39:19pm

re: #170 makeitstop

You’re going to use up all the notes.

YouTube

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:43:50pm

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

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2 years: “Trump has not visited troops in a war zone, breaking with decades of tradition.”

Today: “Trump visits troops, so let’s give him a participation trophy!”

FFS

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:44:28pm

If gambling is your vice, and you’re not going to do pari-mutuel type of stuff (some horse racing) or a private poker table, then your best bet, as all the experts will tell you, is playing blackjack.

If all you can do is count the face cards, then, if you sit in the seat which is dealt last, you can do ok as long as your disciplined on when to stand (depends on game rules, but 16 or 17.)

If you’re lucky you can win a pile of money, if not you’ll probably not lose much.

Other games are much worse odds. Lotteries tend to be the worst odds except for expensive scratchers where the odds are like one in ten of winning something.

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mmmirele  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:44:38pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

True — but it was illegal and people could be prosecuted. That’s the world the pro-lifers want to re-impose: making abortion dangerous and increasing harm to the women who have one.

Oh, don’t worry, I remind them frequently that the world they want is one where abortion is dangerous and underground, and point out that this is not caring for women. But it’s not about saving the babies, because they can’t give me an answer as to why they believe life begins at conception, when half of those fertilized eggs then go on to fail to implant. It’s all about controlling women.

(For the record, the dynamics would definitely change this time around, in between the availability of pharmaceutical abortions and women today taking up the mantle of the Jane Collective and performing menstrual extractions and early abortions outside the purview of doctors. But in general, it would still be dangerous because of the vindictive nature of pro-lifers.)

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Dave In Austin  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:48:16pm

Big Weather this way comes………..

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:48:47pm

re: #171 freetoken

Well, you all might as well give up on tonight’s Powerball, because I am scheduled to win it.

I’ll see about throwing a party for all of us here - that should be enough money to rent the community hall here in town. Y’all will have to come here for the party though. (Biggest gathering of liberals and moderates in the history of my town.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:52:57pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

2 years: “Trump has not visited troops in a war zone, breaking with decades of tradition.”

Today: “Trump visits troops, so let’s give him a participation trophy!”

FFS

My unfortunate prediction (as mentioned in an earlier post of mine): He has seen the light on what is needed to get approval; he may be a sociopath but he has been successful at commanding attention and deceiving millions. He will now behave himself in public and limit his tweets. His backroom deals with tyrants will remain backroom; he will continue to sell us out but will do it behind the scenes and will behave appropriately in public. And the GOP will breathe a sigh of relief and continue on their merry way in rolling back all progress in the last century.

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fern01  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:55:38pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

“I cannot remember, really, a first lady going into a conflict zone

Mrs Obama was looking after the service spouses left at home - a much more sane option. trump is rather like Sarah Palin - has to take someone to cover him - so he doesn’t get booed by crowds who are polite to wives and children.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:55:41pm

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

I’ll see about throwing a party for all of us here - that should be enough money to rent the community hall here in town. Y’all will have to come here for the party though. (Biggest gathering of liberals and moderates in the history of my town.)

Probably all of western Nebraska.

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Belafon  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:56:27pm

re: #115 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Someone should tell Trump the rally was because he didn’t tweet.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 2:57:12pm

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:02:15pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My unfortunate prediction (as mentioned in an earlier post of mine): He has seen the light on what is needed to get approval; he may be a sociopath but he has been successful at commanding attention and deceiving millions. He will now behave himself in public and limit his tweets. His backroom deals with tyrants will remain backroom; he will continue to sell us out but will do it behind the scenes and will behave appropriately in public. And the GOP will breathe a sigh of relief and continue on their merry way in rolling back all progress in the last century.

I have to respectfully disagree, every time we’ve seen Trump seem to “get it,” that lasted right up until he grew overconfident (which he always does), which leads to him dropping back into habit because it’s what he is most familiar with. My prediction is that he will fall back into form as soon as next week, when the new House Dem majority is seated and he starts trying to show how “tough” he is compared to Nancy.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:03:31pm

re: #179 fern01

Mrs Obama was looking after the service spouses left at home - a much more sane option. trump is rather like Sarah Palin - has to take someone to cover him - so he doesn’t get booed by crowds who are polite to wives and children.

Hillary Clinton also went to Bosnia. That said, her claim she landed under sniper fire was false, and the right wing made hash about it.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:03:57pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My unfortunate prediction (as mentioned in an earlier post of mine): He has seen the light on what is needed to get approval; he may be a sociopath but he has been successful at commanding attention and deceiving millions. He will now behave himself in public and limit his tweets. His backroom deals with tyrants will remain backroom; he will continue to sell us out but will do it behind the scenes and will behave appropriately in public. And the GOP will breathe a sigh of relief and continue on their merry way in rolling back all progress in the last century.

This is nothing new. They have tried to normalize Orange Bozo forever, and then in two days they will be reporting some more crazy thing he just did, his bad character or another revelation of his corruption.

Everyone is trying too hard to make him something he is not and will never be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:04:48pm

re: #182 freetoken

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:05:25pm

re: #69 KGxvi

Both?

Bibi thinks he can rejigger his coalition that has shown no confidence in him to get just enough votes to build new coalition. At same time, he knows the opposition doesn’t have anyone to coalesce around, so he might win by default.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:07:43pm

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

Around here, a ticket to go see Aquaman in a regular theater is $10.

I’d rather spend that $10 and get ten SuperLotto plays.

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freetoken  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:08:59pm

The IMAX ticket is almost $20.

Still would rather buy ten Powerball tickets - more entertaining to my old jaded eyes.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:09:10pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My unfortunate prediction (as mentioned in an earlier post of mine): He has seen the light on what is needed to get approval; he may be a sociopath but he has been successful at commanding attention and deceiving millions. He will now behave himself in public and limit his tweets. His backroom deals with tyrants will remain backroom; he will continue to sell us out but will do it behind the scenes and will behave appropriately in public. And the GOP will breathe a sigh of relief and continue on their merry way in rolling back all progress in the last century.

twitter and enough aspects of ‘the media’ are relentless
he wont be able to help himself

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fern01  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:09:15pm

re: #102 lawhawk

DJIA up nearly 1,000 points today…

It’s amazing how the markets react to RBG being released from the hospital. /

Oh, you mean that it had nothing to do with her? Or that Trump was silent for nearly the entire trading day? Yeah, that’s not a coincidence.

The volatility is like nothing I have seen before and that is 100% due to trump. I don’t remember in all previous recessions/down turns or even growth spurts anything like these reversals on a regular basis. This is what presidenting by social media creates.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:09:24pm

Thread.

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fern01  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:10:38pm

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Interesting count. (I was looking for First Ladies who’d visited combat zones but didn’t find any.)

I did find a list of visits from Franklin Delano Roosevelt through Obama in 2014, a list of forty-three visits at Military dot com.

military.com

In that list for Republicans, Eisenhower, Nixon, Reagan, and GHW Bush each visited once. GW Bush made eight visits. Ford made no visits.

Obama made seven, FDR and Bill Clinton made three each, LBJ made two.

military.com (written in July 2016)

Eisenhower surely gets a pass - he lived in a combat zone.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:12:44pm

re: #183 Targetpractice

I have to respectfully disagree, every time we’ve seen Trump seem to “get it,” that lasted right up until he grew overconfident (which he always does), which leads to him dropping back into habit because it’s what he is most familiar with. My prediction is that he will fall back into form as soon as next week, when the new House Dem majority is seated and he starts trying to show how “tough” he is compared to Nancy.

re: #185 ObserverArt

This is nothing new. They have tried to normalize Orange Bozo forever, and then in two days they will be reporting some more crazy thing he just did, his bad character or another revelation of his corruption.

Everyone is trying too hard to make him something he is not and will never be.

I hope that both of you are right — and that Trump will implode, but remember he reached age 70 without ever being held to account for any of his amoral or illegal actions. It was the election that changed the narrative for him and exposed him to legal jeopardy; but he may finally have learned what is needed to get the approval he so craves. He knows how to defer to tyrants — he may now understand how to get approval from a wider audience. Ivanka and Jared have likely been advising him on how to change his tone.

Let’s hope your take on this is right — we’ll see what happens with tomorrow’s tweets.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:13:14pm

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

My unfortunate prediction (as mentioned in an earlier post of mine): He has seen the light on what is needed to get approval; he may be a sociopath but he has been successful at commanding attention and deceiving millions. He will now behave himself in public and limit his tweets. His backroom deals with tyrants will remain backroom; he will continue to sell us out but will do it behind the scenes and will behave appropriately in public. And the GOP will breathe a sigh of relief and continue on their merry way in rolling back all progress in the last century.

Not happening. He will continue to do whatever the fuck he feels like at the moment, and Twitter is an addiction.

This is not a “pivot” and there will be no “pivot.”

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:17:04pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:19:30pm

re: #194 Hecuba’s daughter

I hope that both of you are right — and that Trump will implode, but remember he reached age 70 without ever being held to account for any of his amoral or illegal actions. It was the election that changed the narrative for him and exposed him to legal jeopardy; but he may finally have learned what is needed to get the approval he so craves. He knows how to defer to tyrants — he may now understand how to get approval from a wider audience. Ivanka and Jared have likely been advising him on how to change his tone.

Let’s hope your take on this is right — we’ll see what happens with tomorrow’s tweets.

Trump got this far because he lived in a closed environment which favored his sort of stupidity. But when moved out of that environment, he quickly collapses into a puddle of mush because he can’t withstand the pressures.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:23:05pm

re: #186 Anymouse 🌹

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:24:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:25:09pm

re: #192 makeitstop

Thread.

[Embedded content]

it’s an Internet of Things thing, isn’t it?

pretty sure alcohol is required…

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Teddy's Person  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:26:47pm

re: #199 The Vicious Babushka

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I long for the good old days when I had no fucking idea Charlie Kirk existed in the world.

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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:26:53pm

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

Not happening. He will continue to do whatever the fuck he feels like at the moment, and Twitter is an addiction.

This is not a “pivot” and there will be no “pivot.”

yup - we even bolded the same line

re: #190 dangerman

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:27:20pm

re: #191 fern01

The volatility is like nothing I have seen before and that is 100% due to trump. I don’t remember in all previous recessions/down turns or even growth spurts anything like these reversals on a regular basis. This is what presidenting by social media creates.

I think the volatility was similar in 1987 after the crash. Indeed, the day after the crash, the market rose about 5.9%.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:28:36pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Trump got this far because he lived in a closed environment which favored his sort of stupidity. But when moved out of that environment, he quickly collapses into a puddle of mush because he can’t withstand the pressures.

The worst move the man has made in his life was going from celebrity to president. If he’d kept his mouth shut and stayed in his lane he might have gotten away with everything. But no…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:29:05pm
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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:30:18pm

re: #200 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s an Internet of Things thing, isn’t it?

pretty sure alcohol is required…

MiTH cracks me up. And when he gets serious, he actually makes a lot of sense.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:30:35pm

re: #205 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Doesn’t Erik Prince get a job?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:32:00pm

re: #196 gocart mozart

[Embedded content]

yeah…I am a retired EMT.
I had to stop watching, so I probably missed the funny parts.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:33:33pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:34:03pm
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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:34:25pm

re: #204 makeitstop

The worst move the man has made in his life was going from celebrity to president. If he’d kept his mouth shut and stayed in his lane he might have gotten away with everything. But no…

i’d say it was a virtual certainty
as was his being publicly flayed - like every other president

- i know all the rationales and explanations, psychological and otherwise - hubris, greed, wont happen to me, ignorance
- it was the dumbest most bonehead decision he ever made
- and it, more than any other thing he has done defines, for me, how totally and utterly stupid he really is

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:35:28pm

re: #204 makeitstop

The worst move the man has made in his life was going from celebrity to president. If he’d kept his mouth shut and stayed in his lane he might have gotten away with everything. But no…

It was the same with Ah-nold, the moment he went from celebrity to politician, he started fucking up everything they touched. The hilarity of it all was that, when he first won all those years back, there were all those suggestions of a new amendment to allow him to run for the presidency. Ah, we were so young and foolish back then.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:36:02pm
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dangerman  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:36:42pm

re: #210 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump to the troops in Iraq:
“You haven’t gotten [a raise] in more than ten years. More than ten years. And we got you a big one. I got you a big one….I said no. Make it ten percent. Make it more than ten percent. Because it’s been a long time.”
Just FYI, none of this is true.

thanks bill

every trooper who reads their paycheck knows this
some ‘embraced’ him today anyway.
took selfies, applauded and supported his speech

hmm, i wonder why people act against their own interest

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:37:55pm

re: #207 Hecuba’s daughter

Doesn’t Erik Prince get a job?

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:38:39pm

re: #215 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs

does that mean legal cannabis becomes the law of the land?

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:38:58pm

re: #204 makeitstop

The worst move the man has made in his life was going from celebrity to president. If he’d kept his mouth shut and stayed in his lane he might have gotten away with everything. But no…

I’m not an expert on con men, but I imagine they have a similar make-up to a common thief.

He may have gotten so sure of himself after so many years of getting away with his spiels, he thought he could up the game and pull…

The Ultimate Grift.

Let’s hope he went too far and it costs him big lea’

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:39:37pm

re: #196 gocart mozart

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Was the second guy, who got his finger cut off, Alex Henteloff?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:40:25pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:45:23pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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JFC!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:46:25pm

re: #214 dangerman

thanks bill

every trooper who reads their paycheck knows this
some ‘embraced’ him today anyway.
took selfies, applauded and supported his speech

hmm, i wonder why people act against their own interest

They’re all pretty young, a long way from home, and it’s a “celebrity” photograph.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:47:03pm
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darthstar  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:48:02pm

Nobody could have predicted…

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fern01  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:50:24pm

re: #203 Hecuba’s daughter

I think the volatility was similar in 1987 after the crash. Indeed, the day after the crash, the market rose about 5.9%.

I was busy being super mom back then (hahahaha) keeping the head above water with zero time to be market following. Did it go on for months - cause that is what is happening here - and has been - even during the “trump rise”

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:52:50pm

re: #223 darthstar

Nobody could have predicted…

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Meanwhile, it is an article of faith to this day that Obama saying the words “Seal Team Six” led Al-Q to target them.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:53:13pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:55:22pm

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Charles Johnson  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:56:34pm

Oops, forgot to change the name of the image.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 3:57:25pm

re: #214 dangerman

thanks bill

every trooper who reads their paycheck knows this
some ‘embraced’ him today anyway.
took selfies, applauded and supported his speech

hmm, i wonder why people act against their own interest

Orders from the command?

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:00:21pm

ICE, the American Khmer Rouge.

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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:01:44pm
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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:03:18pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:07:02pm

Oh boy. (caution for coarse language, 8:55, goes to Utah Outcasts)

They start by going after Bill Mitchell for saying “look back through the Bible; Donald Trump is exactly the sort of man God has picked throughout time.”

Conservative Compares Trump to Han Solo, Nerdrage Ensues

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:09:03pm
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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:09:45pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:12:17pm

re: #235 jaunte

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They really, really want to believe in “the pivot.”

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Dave In Austin  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:14:33pm

///

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:18:50pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is what happens when everyone who knows what the fuck they’re doing either quits or gets fired.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:19:23pm

Hearing from FB friend that James “Jimmy” Calvin Wilsey, Chris Isaak’s longtime guitar player has passed away. I don’t know anything about him, but here is the video my friend posted. RIP. (ETA: unconfirmed, but reported by former bandmate in his 70’s punk band, The Avengers)

Chris Isaak Wicked Game 1991

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:20:06pm

re: #230 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

ICE, the American Khmer Rouge.

Khmer Orange?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:21:02pm

re: #237 Dave In Austin

No random capitalization. Tsk, tsk.

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Ace Rothstein  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:21:04pm

Any of y’all notice Melanie’s Timberlands today?

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:23:09pm

Christ, get the guys with the nets…

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:26:59pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

These were the best people Trump could find to advise him.

Reflect on that. These people are bugnuts insane, and they were the ones advising Trump before/during/after the election.

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:28:24pm

re: #244 lawhawk

These were the best people Trump could find to advise him.

Reflect on that. These people are bugnuts insane, and they were the ones advising Trump before/during/after the election.

So…rock, paper, scissors, best two out of three for a spot in the bomb shelter?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:28:24pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

That’s what happens when you watch too many sovereign citizen videos on YouTube.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:31:17pm

re: #242 Ace Rothstein

Any of y’all notice Melanie’s Timberlands today?

raises hand #100

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:33:32pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:34:42pm

re: #246 Anymouse 🌹

Why did he file in western Oklahoma? The DNC nor Carter Page are based there.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:34:48pm
“We are in countries most people haven’t even heard about.”

Not even the most popular countries, let me tell you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:35:41pm

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

Why did he file in western Oklahoma? The DNC nor Carter Page are based there.

Best guess? That’s the only place he could find a nutjob lawyer willing to take his case.

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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:36:18pm

re: #248 jaunte

[Embedded content]

So we’ve defeated ISIS, which is why Turkey will finish up the job of knocking them out.

Let us again remember this man was never allowed to sit in on negotiations by his lawyers because he couldn’t keep two thoughts in his head at the same time and constantly contradicted himself in the space of 5 minutes.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:36:47pm

All the reporting on Trump reveals him as a lazy, whiny, ignorant child of 72.

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banditqueen  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:40:31pm

re: #219 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀 He shouldn’t have done that (goes to Newsweek article), but of course he did. He probably scratched troop movements in the sand, too.

re: #242 Ace Rothstein T-Mel is so ready to cosplay with her fashion choices.

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stpaulbear  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:40:55pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

It was the same with Ah-nold, the moment he went from celebrity to politician, he started fucking up everything they touched. The hilarity of it all was that, when he first won all those years back, there were all those suggestions of a new amendment to allow him to run for the presidency. Ah, we were so young and foolish back then.

Jesse Ventura was more surprised than anyone when he got elected governor in MN.

I had just started working for the state when he got elected and the reaction of the long-timers at work the next morning was a riot. Jesse actually did try to take the job seriously for a while. He visited our office one morning and was genuinely humble and respectful. After about two years he got sick of the job and turned belligerent. Things were so screwed up after 3 years (with Tim Pawlenty as the House leader) that people in my office were laid off by the bus full. I was one of them.

He was still better than Pawlenty. At least no bridges fell down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:44:34pm

re: #251 Eclectic Cyborg

Best guess? That’s the only place he could find a nutjob lawyer willing to take his case.

He’s representing himself.

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TedStriker  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:47:23pm

re: #256 Anymouse 🌹

He’s representing himself.

An attorney representing himself has a fool for a client.

My guess, it’s his attempt to forum-shop for a favorable court.

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:47:56pm

Next time you see one tweet, remind them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:48:02pm

My computer is fouling up, so I am going to log off and try to figure out what’s going on.

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ObserverArt  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:52:40pm

re: #239 Barefoot Grin

Hearing from FB friend that James “Jimmy” Calvin Wilsey, Chris Isaak’s longtime guitar player has passed away. I don’t know anything about him, but here is the video my friend posted. RIP. (ETA: unconfirmed, but reported by former bandmate in his 70’s punk band, The Avengers)

[Embedded content]

Just Googled it, he did pass Christmas Eve.

I liked his classic country/rockabilly type of leads. I remember him most for San Francisco Days.

Rest in Peace Guitar Picker.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:55:07pm

re: #248 jaunte

[Embedded content]

“people were finding out”?

I want names.

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Barefoot Grin  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:55:20pm

re: #260 ObserverArt

Just Googled it, he did pass Christmas Eve.

I liked his classic country/rockabilly type of leads. I remember him most for San Francisco Days.

Rest in Peace Guitar Picker.

Yeah, nothing fancy, but he helped shape Chris’s sound profoundly. My favorite song is the very simple “This Love Will Last.”

This love will last - Chris Isaak

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jaunte  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:56:15pm

“…Recently, Quartz reported the Secret Service could spend more than $90,000 this winter on Florida golf cart rentals to shadow the president while he hits the links, bringing the agency’s total golf cart rental expenses to approximately $400,000 since Trump took office—an apparent modern record.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 4:58:41pm

re: #263 jaunte

Jesus fucking Christ that’s brazen.

But no, the Dems don’t need to investigate Trump at all…

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:04:22pm

So Trump outed Navy Seals and it’s being retweeted all over Twitter by people saying OMG TRUMP OUTED NAVY SEALS.

WTF people. DON’T RETWEET THAT SHIT.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:10:52pm

re: #263 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Shut Mar Al Lago down & piss on the ashes.

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lawhawk  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:13:25pm

re: #265 The Vicious Babushka

Can’t put the toothpaste back in that tube.

Trump fucked up opsec for the Navy SEALs. Trump wanted his photo op and got it. He didn’t give a shit that he’d be undermining US national security along the way, or make the job of our SEALs even harder or expose them to the possibility of reprisals because they were revealed for all to see.

This is ALL on him- no one else. Trump let loose that fuckup. This is a FUBAR/VFUS situation. And it’s all on Trump and his idiot handlers who planned this out in “advance” as his advisers want people to think (they didn’t).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:15:46pm

NIELSEN: PARENTS TO BLAME FOR MIGRANT KID DEATHS (goes to Huffington Post, caution for autoplay video, more at the link)

Comparing parents and children fleeing violence to “smugglers and human traffickers.”

I really would like to see her referred for prosecution.

Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen is headed to the U.S.-Mexico border later this week in response to the Christmas Eve death of an 8-year-old Guatemalan boy who was in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

In a statement Wednesday, Nielsen called Felipe Gómez Alonzo death “deeply concerning” and partially blamed the influx of immigrant children detained at the border on those who oppose the Trump administration’s immigration policies.

“Our system has been pushed to a breaking point by those who seek open borders,” Nielsen said. “Smugglers, traffickers, and their own parents put these minors at risk by embarking on the dangerous and arduous journey north.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:16:05pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

Shut Mar Al Lago down & piss on the ashes.

Be nice to see it get wiped out in a hurricane one of these days.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:16:34pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:19:42pm

re: #270 The Vicious Babushka

We’re coming over to your house.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:21:03pm

re: #270 The Vicious Babushka

They look so delicious.

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gocart mozart  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:23:41pm
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Targetpractice  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:25:37pm

And again we’re reminded that these people are the worst liars around:

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:36:07pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:36:51pm

Vacation Mode: ON

7.5% ABV and really balanced flavors
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GlutenFreeJesus  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:36:56pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:45:56pm
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makeitstop  Dec 26, 2018 • 5:57:08pm

He’s visiting troops in two countries, which means now he can go to Florida instead of back to DC. It’s only fair.

//////

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 26, 2018 • 6:21:45pm

Flying off the topic a minute, to discuss YouTube advert alogrithms.

I do not have a YouTube account, so I get mostly random adverts (except those based specifically on Missouri, I presume pulled from my ISP’s location).

I was watching a video in which the word “corn” appears several times, though the topic of the video was not about corn.

I got four adverts for corn seed suppliers or farm equipment suppliers (selling grain drills).

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Dave In Austin  Dec 26, 2018 • 7:20:20pm

re: #276 Unshaken Defiance

Vacation Mode: ON

[Embedded content]

It looks like you could chew that brew……
Enjoy!


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