A Sublime Tiny Desk Concert by 15-Year Old Piano Maestro Joey Alexander

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Nov. 30, 2018 | Lauren Onkey — When a baby grand piano rolls into the office for a Tiny Desk concert, you expect something special. But none of us could have imagined what it’s like to see 15-year old Joey Alexander play that piano with such mastery. The thing is, when you see him play live, you quickly forget his age and get lost in the intense focus of his performance. Alexander and his stellar supporting cast — Reuben Rogers on bass and Kendrick Scott on drums — form a tight trio, locking eyes as Alexander’s compositions unfold. The relaxed, seasoned veterans looked thrilled to be playing with Alexander at the Tiny Desk, and he was clearly inspired playing with them. The crowd was both mesmerized and humbled by the memories of what they were doing at 15.

Born in Indonesia, Alexander learned to play by listening to his father’s jazz albums. When he was just 10-years old, Wynton Marsalis invited him to play at a Jazz at Lincoln Center gala, and the young Alexander set the jazz world buzzing. He made his mark covering classics by Thelonious Monk and John Coltrane, but he’s now recording and performing more of his own compositions. He showcased that original work during his Tiny Desk performance. Alexander’s vigorously rhythmic playing was playful in the opening “Eclipse” (from his latest album of the same name), which he described as “spontaneous playing.” “Bali,” also from Eclipse, followed, while “City Lights” (from his 2016 album Countdown) closed a set that ranks among the year’s finest jazz performances at the Tiny Desk.

Buy ‘Eclipse’: joeyalexander.lnk.to

Holiday EP ‘A Joey Alexander Christmas’: joeyalexander.lnk.to

Set List
“Eclipse”
“Bali”
“City Lights”

Credits
Producers: Suraya Mohamed, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kaylee Domzalski, Bronson Arcuri; Editor: Kaylee Domzalski; Production Assistant: Brie Martin; Photo: Cameron Pollack/NPR

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:19:02pm

Needs more cow…

bell.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:19:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:20:10pm

today’s happy twitter story:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:22:00pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:22:30pm
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Barefoot Grin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:23:35pm

Really not important, but this is such a great love song from the end of the last thread:

re: #316 Barefoot Grin

Sorry. I just finished a huge raft of work and have had a bit of some high-powered IPA, but here is my contribution to the earlier discussion of “rapture” dealing mainly with Blondie: Patti Smith’s “Frederick” (“after the rapture two hearts meet…”). I love this song so much.
re: #316 Barefoot Grin

Sorry. I just finished a huge raft of work and have had a bit of some high-powered IPA, but here is my contribution to the earlier discussion of “rapture” dealing mainly with Blondie: Patti Smith’s “Frederick” (“after the rapture two hearts meet…”). I love this song so much.

Patti Smith Group - Frederick

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:24:31pm
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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:25:20pm

Weird lights over NYC metro… didn’t see it directly.

My guess? With the overcast/broken skies, we probably had some kind of meteorite. I think we’re too far south to see the aurora, and it’s not particularly strong tonight either.

UPDATE:
Digging deeper - may have been a transformer explosion at a ConEd plant, as newer videos seem to show arcing in vicinity of a ConEd plant in Queens.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:25:45pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

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HappyWarrior  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:27:19pm

re: #5 Patricia Kayden

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Warren also has more people saying she shouldn’t run then run. I like Elizabeth Warren a bit as a Senator but I have never been sold on her as Presidential material.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:27:38pm

re: #9 Belafon

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Absolutely.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:27:59pm

re: #8 lawhawk

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:28:07pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

re: #8 lawhawk

I’m volunteering to leave on the space ship.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:29:42pm

re: #13 Belafon

I’m volunteering to leave on the space ship.

It’s a Cookbook!!!

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:30:33pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Absolutely.

I support a Beto candidacy, and think he would make a good candidate in either of the top two spots. But it really is name recognition.

Also, though, for those of you worried about him being unknown, he’s in third, behind a VP and a prior presidential runner.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:30:39pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:31:16pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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But you’re still on earth.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:31:27pm

I think the thing Re: Sanders and Warren especially Sanders is it’s seen as being who is the most progressive not who is the most effective or would be the best President. I want a President that can get crap done. Frankly there’s nothing about Sanders that suggests he has a plan to me. I still remember his “Well the people will just protest” if the GOP doesn’t go along with my plans and it just struck me as painfully naive and not really a plan.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:32:10pm

re: #15 Belafon

I support a Beto candidacy, and think he would make a good candidate in either of the top two spots. But it really is name recognition.

Also, though, for those of you worried about him being unknown, he’s in third, behind a VP and a prior presidential runner.

Oh absolutely. Of the top 3, Beto’s my guy at this point too but he’s definitely benefited from name recognition.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:32:10pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:35:28pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:35:42pm

re: #7 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Electrical fire. A big one.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:37:03pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Was about to suggest that. For real. I saw a similar display during an electrical substation explosion in Lubbock last year, except that I could see it directly. Brightest light I have ever seen after the Sun, and it went on for a couple of minutes.

Youtube Video

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:37:17pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Electrical fire. A big one.

NYC Subways reported subway disruptions too, so it could be a substation/transformer explosion causing the outages.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:37:18pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

I used to live across the street from that plant

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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:39:21pm

re: #24 lawhawk

NYC Subways reported subway disruptions too, so it could be a substation/transformer explosion causing the outages.

That’s a big one. It will have lasting infrastructure damage

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:40:37pm

re: #26 Dave In Austin

They’ll be able to reroute power… but the 7 train will be a crappy commute tomorrow from the looks of it.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:41:06pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Name recognition, his stance on immigration and his support for protesting NFL players which I’m sure was very controversial in Texas. Also loved his speech in regard to police interactions with Black men.

I’d love to see him in the VP position at the very least.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:41:10pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:45:23pm

re: #27 lawhawk

They’ll be able to reroute power… but the 7 train will be a crappy commute tomorrow from the looks of it.

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My hats off to the guys working this….. I’m sure the NYC grid is like nothing else in the world. That, and I’ll bet there are very few people who REALLY understand the nuances of it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:45:42pm

re: #25 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I used to live across the street from that plant

Google maps
goo.gl

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:46:29pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:49:12pm

Someone let the smoke out………

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Danack  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:50:50pm

Probably a bit late but…..that light could be dangerous to look at. Just like arc welders, arcing electrical light puts out quite a bit of UV light, which can damage your eyes.

I can’t remember exactly how dangerous it is though.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:51:20pm

House flippers are a scourge on America.

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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:51:45pm
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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:52:32pm

“ASTORIA BOREALIS”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:54:42pm
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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:54:44pm

“Luxury vinyl tile” is one of those phrases created by a corporation that in the real world of atoms as well as the world of English is oxymoronic.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:56:19pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:57:39pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 6:59:47pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:00:21pm

Keith is having altogether too much fun with this

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:00:45pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:01:06pm

Under control. Everything is under control. Nothing to see here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:03:38pm

re: #45 The Vicious Babushka

Under control. Everything is under control. Nothing to see here.

@JuliaCarmel__
All of La Guardia airport just lost power. Happy holidays, NYC!

The plant happens to be on the approach to runway 13 at La Guardia too. So, that bright ass fire could be a problem there too

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:05:13pm

Infrastructure failures ought to be expected.

Our society is just too much into immediate gratification. This is one of my complaints against flippers.

But the problem manifests at every scale of society.

I suppose I’m sounding like an old-fashioned puritan, but so much that is sold to America is just a flash in the pan.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:05:31pm

re: #46 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They’ve got a power outage; full ground stop at LGA.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:06:52pm

re: #42 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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My dad did that to his cousin. Dad was over at his cousin’s house while she and her husband were gone. They had a Pomeranian but would leave the dog in the back yard all the time; it was covered into those really small leaves from some tree that are really good at getting tangled up in hair. A couple drove up asking if my dad knew where the animal shelter was because they were looking to get a dog. My dad reached over the fence, picked up the dog, and gave it to them. Told his cousin later that it was gone when he got there. I wasn’t going to say anything. The cousin had bought the dog because it was cute and after a while decided it wasn’t.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:09:27pm

WHY AT A TIME WHEN EVERYONE IS TRAVELING HOME AFTER SPENDING CHRISTMAS WITH THEIR FAMILIES!!

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:09:39pm

re: #3 Backwoods_Sleuth

today’s happy twitter story:

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Bella is a cool looking doggy. I love the bandit eyes. They go well with that black nose I’d love to boop.

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lawhawk  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:09:56pm

I am seriously disappointed in people who think that this is a MIB or Ghostbusters or Independence Day reference with the lights in Astoria, Queens from the transformer fire.

The only correct answer is Highlander, where the climatic battle was fought at Silvercup Studios in … Astoria Queens.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:10:20pm

It’s not a fucking “routine inspection” FFS. That is the lamest bullshit in the history of ever.

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Jay C  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:11:34pm

re: #1 lawhawk

Needs more cow…

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bell.

Saw this on the evening news tonite, and we were amazingly pleased to find out that the NJ cow-on-the-highway story had a happy ending after all. After (reportedly) five hours (sic) of efforts - and endless cheesy puns from newsreaders trying to milk the story for all they could - the cow was finally recaptured. But rather than resume its journey to the slaughterhouse, Bossy will be taken to an animal rescue facility instead. A far more fitting reward for her efforts, we thought…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:13:20pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:14:32pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:15:46pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

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I remember when a week was seven days long, and people looked forward to Friday.

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:15:50pm

A friend in Astoria said it happened right near his house. He said it looked like a non-stop lightning strike for about 5 minutes.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:16:39pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Was about to suggest that. For real. I saw a similar display during an electrical substation explosion in Lubbock last year, except that I could see it directly. Brightest light I have ever seen after the Sun, and it went on for a couple of minutes.

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Basically a large arc welding flash for an extended period. And the right color.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:16:50pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:18:32pm

Joey can play the hell out of Giant Steps, too.

Joey Alexander - Giant Steps (In-Studio Performance)

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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:18:43pm

re: #6 Barefoot Grin

Really not important, but this is such a great love song from the end of the last thread:

Really quite important - great music always is here. I’ll admit to a slight preference for Dancing Barefoot from that album but Frederick is glorious.

Dancing Barefoot

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:22:57pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:22:58pm
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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:23:35pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh my, the shrunken head dead-in-transition character from Beetlejuice is funny as all get out compared to Trump in the puffy jacket.

I swear the guy has no idea how to look dress.

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gwangung  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:23:55pm

re: #52 lawhawk

I am seriously disappointed in people who think that this is a MIB or Ghostbusters or Independence Day reference with the lights in Astoria, Queens from the transformer fire.

The only correct answer is Highlander, where the climatic battle was fought at Silvercup Studios in … Astoria Queens.

I’d give credit for an Optimus Prime appearance, though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:24:51pm

re: #52 lawhawk

I am seriously disappointed in people who think that this is a MIB or Ghostbusters or Independence Day reference with the lights in Astoria, Queens from the transformer fire.

The only correct answer is Highlander, where the climatic battle was fought at Silvercup Studios in … Astoria Queens.

Silvercup is in Long Island City, not Astoria. Kaufman’s is in Astoria.
Just sayin’

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:24:53pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

“Oh, and you still owe me rent.”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:25:02pm

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:26:59pm

Disreality disorder.

That’s what I am calling it.

And it’s not just limited to Trumpers.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:27:09pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:27:45pm
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Charles Johnson  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:27:50pm

WUT

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:28:08pm

re: #62 William Lewis

Really quite important - great music always is here. I’ll admit to a slight preference for Dancing Barefoot from that album but Frederick is glorious.

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I’ve heard both songs in the past week. Wave was Smith’s most radio-friendly album - ‘Dancing Backwards’ and ‘Frederick’ were both released as singles. This was the third single -

Patti Smith Group / So You Want to Be (A Rock ‘N’ Roll Star)

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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:28:28pm

re: #52 lawhawk

I am seriously disappointed in people who think that this is a MIB or Ghostbusters or Independence Day reference with the lights in Astoria, Queens from the transformer fire.

The only correct answer is Highlander, where the climatic battle was fought at Silvercup Studios in … Astoria Queens.

Just so no one builds a skyscraper in NYC in the next few months with an Anarchy Avengers symbol on it.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:29:47pm

The brief week every year where my wife and I are a year closer in age is over as I turn 59 today. As my wife is working the evening shift, she had my first part of the day planned out to deliver her slutty brownies and apple cider to our friends around town so that made it easy for everyone to wish me happy birthday…lol! While out I stopped by the pet store to load up on cat treats and I made sure to hit up my favorite head shop and get my senior and birthday discounts as I’m a cheap (I think I’m supposed to say “frugal” now) old dude. Our daughter is making something with steak and shrimp in it for dinner and my wife whipped up a chocolate cheesecake for dessert last night.

The best present is having another birthday and that’s what I want next year. My wife and our kids agree. :)

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:30:40pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

I am not convinced that anyone is really telling the truth. There are so many diversions from the real story that I think we’re just going to have to wait for whatever trials occur.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:31:50pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:32:28pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

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I have yet to rule in Trumps’ favor.

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:34:13pm

I am now at 131071 karma, or 11111111111111111(base 2).

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:34:47pm
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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:35:01pm

re: #74 makeitstop

I’ve heard both songs in the past week. Wave was Smith’s most radio-friendly album - ‘Dancing Backwards’ and ‘Frederick’ were both released as singles. This was the third single -

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Video

Ah, that was a great version.

This wasn’t a single for her, but it was for the band she was working with at the time. As a fan of both of them, I get a major kick out of it. Bonus track on the reissue of Wave:

Patti Smith Group / Fire of Unknown Origin(bonus track)

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:36:23pm

re: #82 William Lewis

Ah, that was a great version.

This wasn’t a single for her, but it was for the band she was working with at the time. As a fan of both of them, I get a major kick out of it. Bonus track on the reissue of Wave:

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The BOC song? I never knew she did that. Cool!

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:38:37pm

re: #83 makeitstop

The BOC song? I never knew she did that. Cool!

Never mind, not the BOC song. That would have been a cover for the ages.

Cool track anyway.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:40:02pm

Still nuts up at the ski area. I’ve worked 56 hours this week, it’s only Thursday. Making pretty good money, though.

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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:42:54pm

re: #84 makeitstop

Never mind, not the BOC song. That would have been a cover for the ages.

Cool track anyway.

Ah, but it’s where the BOC track began. The final credits on the LP are:

Fire of Unknown Origin
Eric Bloom / Albert Bouchard / Joe Bouchard / Donald Roeser / Patti Smith

I believe she was dating Allen Lanier during this time frame.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:42:56pm

re: #81 teleskiguy

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Holy shit he’s plumping up into Orson Welles territory!

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:44:38pm

re: #33 Dave In Austin

Someone let the magic smoke out………

Fixt’ded…

Once that magic smoke escapes there’s no putting it back!

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Unshaken Defiance  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:46:19pm

re: #85 teleskiguy

Still nuts up at the ski area. I’ve worked 56 hours this week, it’s only Thursday. Making pretty good money, though.

Meant to show you this earlier.

Gravity is Overrated | Weightless

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:52:48pm

re: #89 Unshaken Defiance

That’s fuckin’ badass! Thanks!

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:57:04pm

re: #86 William Lewis

Ah, but it’s where the BOC track began. The final credits on the LP are:

Fire of Unknown Origin
Eric Bloom / Albert Bouchard / Joe Bouchard / Donald Roeser / Patti Smith

I believe she was dating Allen Lanier during this time frame.

I did not know that! Thanks!

I remember seeing BOC when the first album came out and I had no idea who they were. They were borderline scary. That first record was some cryptic shit, but it rocked.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 27, 2018 • 7:59:08pm

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:02:26pm

Because we all wish we were somewhere warmer:

Sergio Mendes & Brasil ‘66 - The Christmas Song - [HQ]

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:02:50pm

Christmas came and went all too quickly.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:03:45pm

The message was not what I expected.

😡Offensive Comments on my Channel!😡

How many YouTubers begin by telling viewers “don’t sponsor me if you can’t afford it”?

Naomi is the gal in Shenzhen who is a Maker and techie. Vice Magazine did a profile of her several months ago that probed her personal life, despite Naomi telling them it was off limits and the reporter agreeing to those terms. After she posted a video attacking Vice, using some Vice content, Vice then complained to patreon.com that she had violated their copyright and Patreon pulled her channel, which had been her main source of income. More recently, another crowdfunding platform she had been using suspended all PayPal processing, because its users included alt-righters and racists who had violated PayPal’s TOS. Naomi was caught in the crossfire.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:04:34pm

re: #91 makeitstop

I did not know that! Thanks!

I remember seeing BOC when the first album came out and I had no idea who they were. They were borderline scary. That first record was some cryptic shit, but it rocked.

I saw BOC in late ‘76 on their Agents of Fortune tour in Spokane. Festival seating (free roaming on the floor or grab a seat), lots of weed was being passed around and some good acid was dropped.

I remember it and it was good. Real good.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:10:51pm

re: #94 freetoken

Christmas came and went all too quickly.

Not for me! The Holidays officially end for me on 6 January, when the tourists go home.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:13:44pm

re: #76 Odie Hugh Manatee

The brief week every year where my wife and I are a year closer in age is over as I turn 59 today. As my wife is working the evening shift, she had my first part of the day planned out to deliver her slutty brownies and apple cider to our friends around town so that made it easy for everyone to wish me happy birthday…lol! While out I stopped by the pet store to load up on cat treats and I made sure to hit up my favorite head shop and get my senior and birthday discounts as I’m a cheap (I think I’m supposed to say “frugal” now) old dude. Our daughter is making something with steak and shrimp in it for dinner and my wife whipped up a chocolate cheesecake for dessert last night.

The best present is having another birthday and that’s what I want next year. My wife and our kids agree. :)

Happy Birthday. Enjoy.

Say, is that a real birth certificate, or is that a Hawaiian birth certificate-type copy?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:14:22pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:21:34pm

re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I want to see the responses to that tweet, but I don’t want to scan J-cob’s feed to find it. The best response I can think of is the Nathan Filian Castle gif where he tries to answer but cannot.

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ObserverArt  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:23:21pm

re: #96 Odie Hugh Manatee

I saw BOC in late ‘76 on their Agents of Fortune tour in Spokane. Festival seating (free roaming on the floor or grab a seat), lots of weed was being passed around and some good acid was dropped.

I remember it and it was good. Real good.

Saw them on the Secret Treaties tour at Vet’s Memorial in Columbus. They had almost the same exact sound live as on their albums from what I remember, very polished.

Damn long time ago. Good show.

At one time, ‘74 to say ‘77, you could see outdoor concerts all over Ohio with a mixture of Ted Nugent, Styx, Montrose, Foghat and Blue Oyster Cult in some combination or another with a regional band or two mixed in.

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Jay C  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:23:25pm

re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Actually did Laugh Out Loud at this.

I don’t want to soil my computer by clicking on Jacob’s feed, but has anybody stepped up yet to inform him exactly what a “battery grid” is?
Jeez even *I* know it’s the sort of diffused power system that keeps things like the Astoria transformer explosion from darkening whole areas. Like airports….

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:25:36pm

re: #102 Jay C

Actually did Laugh Out Loud at this.

I don’t want to soil my computer by clicking on Jacob’s feed, but has anybody stepped up yet to inform him exactly what a “battery grid” is?
Jeez even *I* know it’s the sort of diffused power system that keeps things like the Astoria transformer explosion from darkening whole areas. Like airports….

It went off now. What’s her “battery grid” going to cause?

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:30:26pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:33:25pm

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

That tweet by Lindsay is mindbogglingly stupid on so many levels.

Apparently it is now right wing dogma that radical Islamists will enter the USA through Mexico. WTF?

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makeitstop  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:35:28pm
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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:37:46pm

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

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“How can I stay on the president’s good side and yet criticize his actions in the Middle East?”

The answer, Graham, is that you can’t.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:40:06pm

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

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Twice I’ve been in the situation where I was furloughed and the rent was due. Both times we were given form letters to take to landlords. Everyone who did that got laughed at by the manager/landlords.

Both times for me I had to use my credit card to pay the rent and there was a $100 surcharge for paying by credit card…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:42:34pm

re: #108 Joe Bacon 🌹

Twice I’ve been in the situation where I was furloughed and the rent was due. Both times we were given form letters to take to landlords. Everyone who did that got laughed at by the manager/landlords.

Both times for me I had to use my credit card to pay the rent and there was a $100 surcharge for paying by credit card…

There’s a reason why landlords were the primary targets of the Chinese Communists after the People’s Republic was founded.

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BlueGrl21  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:43:36pm

re: #76 Odie Hugh Manatee

The brief week every year where my wife and I are a year closer in age is over as I turn 59 today. As my wife is working the evening shift, she had my first part of the day planned out to deliver her slutty brownies and apple cider to our friends around town so that made it easy for everyone to wish me happy birthday…lol! While out I stopped by the pet store to load up on cat treats and I made sure to hit up my favorite head shop and get my senior and birthday discounts as I’m a cheap (I think I’m supposed to say “frugal” now) old dude. Our daughter is making something with steak and shrimp in it for dinner and my wife whipped up a chocolate cheesecake for dessert last night.

The best present is having another birthday and that’s what I want next year. My wife and our kids agree. :)

Happy birthday! It’s my birthday today too!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:44:01pm

re: #99 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:46:28pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:51:08pm
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b_sharp  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:56:55pm

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Jay C  Dec 27, 2018 • 8:57:04pm

re: #105 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That tweet by Lindsay is mindbogglingly stupid on so many levels.

Apparently it is now right wing dogma that radical Islamists will enter the USA through Mexico. WTF?

Not just “now” - the “Islamists swarming over the Mexican border” BS has been a staple of RW fearmongering for years. Remember James O’Keefe’s video (in the rubber OBL mask) showing us how “easy” it was?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:00:57pm

re: #104 Single-handed sailor

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Putin must have some industrial strength Kompromat on L’il Lindsay!

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Belafon  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:03:27pm
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:09:00pm

re: #61 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Joey can play the hell out of Giant Steps, too.

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Wowza!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:12:56pm

re: #118 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Wowza!

He was 12 at the time, I think.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:15:33pm

re: #119 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He was 12 at the time, I think.

I was wondering how old he was. Just amazing talent and feel. I needed to hear that tonight.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:17:52pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:18:25pm

BEES

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:23:27pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

Happy Birthday. Enjoy.

Say, is that a real birth certificate, or is that a Hawaiian birth certificate-type copy?

I do like pineapple on pizza but some piece of paper says that I was manufactured in a state that’s famous for its potatoes (and not much else).

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William Lewis  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:24:39pm

re: #122 teleskiguy

BEES

Now now now, know your bees…

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:29:06pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh, look! It’s the modern-day William Howard Taft!

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TedStriker  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:39:00pm

re: #125 austin_blue

Oh, look! It’s the modern-day William Howard Taft!

Except nowhere near as intelligent or accomplished as Taft.

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:40:07pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Except nowhere near as intelligent or accomplished as Taft.

The only person to serve as President of the United States and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:40:35pm

Joey is from Indonesia. So is this teenage drummer, who’s not so bad herself.

Maroon 5 - Lucky Strike Drum cover by Kalonica Nicx

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:41:33pm

re: #127 teleskiguy

The only person to serve as President of the United States and Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

“Taft sat on the Supreme Court.” — A joke from AP American History class.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:43:20pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Saw them on the Secret Treaties tour at Vet’s Memorial in Columbus. They had almost the same exact sound live as on their albums from what I remember, very polished.

Damn long time ago. Good show.

At one time, ‘74 to say ‘77, you could see outdoor concerts all over Ohio with a mixture of Ted Nugent, Styx, Montrose, Foghat and Blue Oyster Cult in some combination or another with a regional band or two mixed in.

Looking back, I’m surprised how many good bands visited Spokane throughout the 70’s & 80’s. Most were indoor venue though I did see Heart/BTO at the Spokane Fairgrounds in the 70’s and The Monsters of Rock 1988 tour at Joel Albi Stadium there. Eagles, Motley Crue, Ozzy, Scorps, Van Halen/Van Hagar, Montrose, Def Leppard, SuperTramp, Rush, Journey, ZZ Top, Night Ranger, Ratt, Cinderella, Metallica and too many others to list. I still have a load of concert tees, bandanas and headbands that I stashed away (I also have some well-worn ones I wear on occasion). I’ve seen some great shows and have even met Jennifer Batten (guitar clinic at a friend’s shop) and Yngwie Malmsteen (won full access backstage pass).

Good times. Damned good! :)

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:44:50pm

re: #126 TedStriker

Except nowhere near as intelligent or accomplished as Taft.

Point!

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:45:53pm

re: #129 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

“Taft sat on the Supreme Court.” — A joke from AP American History class.

He once got stuck taking a bath.

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:47:19pm

re: #101 ObserverArt

Saw them on the Secret Treaties tour at Vet’s Memorial in Columbus. They had almost the same exact sound live as on their albums from what I remember, very polished.

Damn long time ago. Good show.

At one time, ‘74 to say ‘77, you could see outdoor concerts all over Ohio with a mixture of Ted Nugent, Styx, Montrose, Foghat and Blue Oyster Cult in some combination or another with a regional band or two mixed in.

Always like Cracked The Sky.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:51:10pm

re: #110 BlueGrl21

Happy birthday! It’s my birthday today too!

It’s contagious? Happy birthday to a comrade who as a child probably suffered through the “This is your combined Christmas AND birthday present!” line.

We were ripped off! ;)

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 27, 2018 • 9:59:10pm

re: #76 Odie Hugh Manatee

Happy Birthday!! Hope you had a great day!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:00:09pm

re: #110 BlueGrl21

Happy birthday! It’s my birthday today too!

And Happy Birthday to you too!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:10:33pm

counting the days…2 years and 3 days before my Medicare starts…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:22:14pm

re: #137 Joe Bacon 🌹

counting the days…2 years and 3 days before my Medicare starts…

I’ve got a bit longer — 2 years and 1 month exactly today.

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:28:46pm

So at least the Dow has calmed down…

Oh, wait! Up 1050 yesterday down 600 this morning, ended up plus 260. Yup, stable as a paranoid schizophrenic off his meds.

The chaos President has infected every area of American life. Yeah, us! Winning!

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teleskiguy  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:29:58pm

re: #139 austin_blue

So at least the Dow has calmed down…

Oh, wait! Up 1050 yesterday down 600 this morning, ended up plus 260. Yup, stable as a paranoid schizophrenic off his meds.

The chaos President has infected every area of American life. Yeah, us! Winning!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:42:59pm

re: #139 austin_blue

So at least the Dow has calmed down…

Oh, wait! Up 1050 yesterday down 600 this morning, ended up plus 260. Yup, stable as a paranoid schizophrenic off his meds.

The chaos President has infected every area of American life. Yeah, us! Winning!

A reminder: it’s percentage change that matters not the dollar change. Back in 1987, the Dow Jones was about one tenth of today’s level— and we saw similar volatility. A movement of 600 today is comparable to 60 back then. But the news media focuses on the dollar change to exaggerate the effect — the old, if it bleeds, it leads.

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 10:48:50pm

re: #141 Hecuba’s daughter

A reminder: it’s percentage change that matters not the dollar change. Back in 1987, the Dow Jones was about one tenth of today’s level— and we saw similar volatility. A movement of 600 today is comparable to 60 back then. But the news media focuses on the dollar change to exaggerate the effect — the old, if it bleeds, it leads.

Agreed. Back during the ‘87 crash, I was sitting on an oil rig in the North Sea. THAT was a big percentage drop. But the instability in the markets right now are a still a cause of concern. Everybody is looking for some stability, and it’s just not there.

And a sad story, the oldest US veteran form WW2, an Austin resident, who was an absolute hoot, died at the age of a bazillion and one:

cnn.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:09:58pm

re: #78 The Vicious Babushka

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:14:40pm
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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:21:28pm

re: #144 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump’s disapproval rating has soared over 53% the last few days.

Still not as high a disapproval as this time last year.

Like it or not, your fellow Americans like Trump, or don’t really dislike him enough to want to do much about it.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:22:56pm

A long time ago, someone had the idea that the new fangled invention of television ought to be high brow entertainment.

From almost 69 years ago, opera legend Jussi Bjorling was featured on American television:

VOICE OF FIRESTONE with JUSSI BJORLING - 1950- KINESCOPES

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Dave In Austin  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:25:04pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:25:12pm

re: #145 freetoken

Still not as high a disapproval as this time last year.

Like it or not, your fellow Americans like Trump, or don’t really dislike him enough to want to do much about it.

No, he is unpopular, and remains unpopular with a solid majority of Americans. A President who is nearly 12 points underwater in his approval rating when unemployment is at 3.7% is not well liked.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:25:15pm

re: #146 freetoken

A long time ago, someone had the idea that the new fangled invention of television ought to be high brow entertainment.

From almost 69 years ago, opera legend Jussi Bjorland was featured on American television:

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And then we had I Love Lucy and The $64,000 Question.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:28:16pm

re: #149 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And then we had I Love Lucy and The $64,000 Question.

The drop from Jussi Bjorling to Duck Dynasty is, shall we say, a steep one.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:29:01pm

re: #148 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, he is unpopular, and remains unpopular with a solid majority of Americans. A President who is nearly 12 points underwater in his approval rating when unemployment is at 3.7% is not well liked.

My more conservative cousins are nevertheless not Trump fans at all, perhaps because we all grew up in New York and New Jersey and know something of the Trumps. Only a few of my former in-laws are Trump fans, because they’re hopeless. No one in my immediate family likes Trump. Despite my NY roots, we’re primarily Midwesterners now — y’know, “Trumplandia” according to The NYT.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:31:00pm

re: #148 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, he is unpopular, and remains unpopular with a solid majority of Americans. A President who is nearly 12 points underwater in his approval rating when unemployment is at 3.7% is not well liked.

But Trump was underwater by 20 points a year ago August.

I’m afraid the resistance is just getting worn out.

True, the Democrats did retake the House, but lost ground in the Senate (as expected.)

All the Trumpers who are/were on my Facebook timeline are still Trumpers. I have not seen any evidence that any of them have changed.

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austin_blue  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:42:18pm

re: #144 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump’s disapproval rating has soared over 53% the last few days.

I look at 53% and I wonder, why so low?

Why not 63%? I know that there are about 30% to 35% of voters who are MAGAts and Ever Trumpers, but who, exactly is still sitting on the fence?

His economic policies are screwing the economy, his foreign policy has been a disaster, our standing with the world community at this point makes us look like Shriners in clown cars, and yet there is still a 15% chunk of voters who won’t take a stand.

I mean, what does have to do? Throw our staunchest ally in the war against terrorism in the Middle East under a bus? Oh, wait…

Remove us from a Climate Change accord that the US championed? Oh, wait…

Pull us out of an agreement that put hard and fast controls on a country that could produce nukes, in conjunction with our closest allies? Oh, wait…

H. L. Mencken said “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

He was right.

Night all, may you have sweet dreams. Maybe tomorrow is indictment Friday, the last of 2018. There is always hope.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:46:00pm

re: #153 austin_blue

The whole “approval”/”disapproval” thing is a gimmick anyway.

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freetoken  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:48:23pm

Forecast now says tomorrow’s low here inland will get down to near freezing.

I hatez winter.

Times like these I wished I lived down near the equator.

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DodgerFan1988  Dec 27, 2018 • 11:50:04pm

Coming soon to Trump’s America.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:13:26am

re: #87 Joe Bacon 🌹

Holy shit he’s plumping up into Orson Welles territory!

Yeah, like I said yesterday, sure he was tubby when he took office in January 2017 but now he’s pretty much straight-up obese. Methinks that’s a whole lotta nervous eating on his part.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:16:36am

re: #110 BlueGrl21

Happy birthday! It’s my birthday today too!

My Nephew was born on December 25th so his family celebrates his half-birthday in June.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:18:33am

re: #152 freetoken

But Trump was underwater by 20 points a year ago August.

I’m afraid the resistance is just getting worn out.

True, the Democrats did retake the House, but lost ground in the Senate (as expected.)

All the Trumpers who are/were on my Facebook timeline are still Trumpers. I have not seen any evidence that any of them have changed.

Of course they are, they are thoroughly brainwashed. But not everyone who voted for Trump are Trumpers who are committed to him, and even including them he only got 46% of the vote. The Resistance isn’t wearing down, but the summer of ‘17 the GOP was still trying to take away everyone’s healthcare which was massively unpopular so it was damaging Trump’s popularity. The stock market notwithstanding (most Americans don’t own much, if any, stock) the economy is still churning out jobs and the GOP hasn’t been making much effort lately to take health insurance away from middle class Americans, so Trump’s support has remained stable at about 42%, pretty low for a President when unemployment is only 3.7% His support is dipping even lower because of the shutdown, but it will recover back up to around 42% after its over. I don’t expect it to improve significantly above that, because Trump is an awful human being the majority of women loathe, and he is going to be getting a lot of bad news from Mueller and all of the other prosecutors investigating the Trump crime family.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:25:06am

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Trump Administration Suggests Furloughed Workers Do Chores for Landlords to Help Pay Rent

Have they suggested showing up at the doctor’s office with a chicken?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:26:20am

re: #160 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Have they suggested showing up at the doctor’s office with a chicken?

Not willing to give up the barter system as the answer to healthcare reform.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:27:17am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Not willing to give up the barter system as the answer to healthcare reform.

We are already paying for our healthcare system with our lives…

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:28:40am

Quelle surprise.

A lingering financial scandal involving Brazilian President-elect Jair Bolsonaro’s son has soured his inauguration next week and tarnished the reputation of a far-right maverick who surged to victory on a vow to end years of political horsetrading.

Bolsonaro, who spent nearly 30 years in Congress, takes office on Jan. 1 after an electoral win that gave him a mandate to hobble violent drug gangs, cut through red tape to kick-start Brazil’s economy and go after the corrupt political class.

But a regulator’s questions about a bank account of the former driver of his son, Rio de Janeiro state lawmaker and Senator-elect Flavio Bolsonaro, has clouded his big day, leading critics to doubt the president-elect’s graft-busting credentials and his ability to deliver a new type of politics.

Jair Bolsonaro, Flavio Bolsonaro and the former driver, Fabricio Queiroz, have denied any wrongdoing.

reuters.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:30:40am

re: #64 The Vicious Babushka

Trump making a suggestion I know he wouldn’t accept.

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My Nephew was born on December 25th so his family celebrates his half-birthday in June.

My youngest first cousin’s daughter, and my oldest first cousin’s youngest son, were both born in the same hospital on the same Christmas day. (My aunt and my eldest cousin were kind of stoked about that.)

They handle Christmas by doing Christmas presents and such on the 24th and their birthday parties on the 25th (with a dual birthday party).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:41:54am

Brrr.

W Nebr-NE Colo-SE Wyo
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freetoken  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:07:49am

Notice that some poorly written pop-articles are showing up on time-travel… even by physicists.

My general criticism is that the nature of the problem is over-simplified for the purposes of writing short articles.

This is especially true when it comes to cosmology. There is a great deal of too-simple explanations of the key problems.

Mostly the authors ignore the horizon problem. It’s all too easy to ignore it. And then there is an even deeper, philosophical adjunct, which I also call the horizon problem - namely, we are limited by the speed of light in what we can actually observe. To make the assertion (as so many pop writers do) that what exists (ontology) is limited to what is observable (our horizon) is very anthropocentric.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:08:19am

On a side note, I’ve been a subscriber to Foreign Affairs magazine for many years.

I’m disappointed: I don’t believe I’ve ever read a salacious article about overseas peccadilloes in that magazine. What’s up with that?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:16:02am

A Russian bank gave Marine Le Pen’s party a loan. Then weird things began happening. (Washington Post, more at the link):

PARIS — When French politician Marine Le Pen needed cash for her far-right party, an obscure Russian bank agreed to help.

Four years later, the bank has gone bust. The owner is facing a warrant for his arrest. Former Russian military officers are demanding money. And the party’s treasurer is sending off some $165,000 every few months to a woman in Moscow, unsure of where the payments ultimately will go.

The money failed to deliver Le Pen the French presidency in last year’s election, denying the Kremlin a powerful ally in the heart of Europe. Instead, the 9.4 million-euro loan, then worth $12.2 million, dragged her party into the shadowy underworld of Russian cross-border finance, putting it in league with people accused of having ties to Russian organized crime, money laundering and military operations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:35:44am

re: #167 Anymouse 🌹

On a side note, I’ve been a subscriber to Foreign Affairs magazine for many years.

I’m disappointed: I don’t believe I’ve ever read a salacious article about overseas peccadilloes in that magazine. What’s up with that?

Because foreigners are shameless hussies who look upon extramarital affairs with the same equanimity as the GOP looks upon their President’s behavior

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:36:42am

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

A Russian bank gave Marine Le Pen’s party a loan. Then weird things began happening. (Washington Post, more at the link):

When Russians loan you money, they don’t want you to pay back the principal…they want eternal interest, often in non-monetary form.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:40:23am

re: #170 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

When Russians loan you money, they don’t want you to pay back the principal…they want eternal interest, often in non-monetary form.

Yup. That article also goes into different non-government entities in Russia implementing small, individual plans which they believe will advance Putin’s stated policy goals, as a means of currying favour if successful.

The idea is that not just Russia’s foreign ministry, or FSB, or SVR try to implement policy or engage in espionage; a huge sector of the country is employed in a sort of ad-hoc effort to advance Russia’s goals.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:47:04am

re: #171 Anymouse 🌹

Yup. That article also goes into different non-government entities in Russia implementing small, individual plans which they believe will advance Putin’s stated policy goals, as a means of currying favour if successful.

The idea is that not just Russia’s foreign ministry, or FSB, or SVR try to implement policy or engage in espionage; a huge sector of the country is employed in a sort of ad-hoc effort to advance Russia’s goals.

A large part of the US Executive branch is dedicated to advancing Trump’s economic interests…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 1:54:09am

Chinese scientists have turned copper into a material that’s ‘almost identical’ to gold (Business Insider, more at the link):

They don’t have a very good description of the electrical characteristics of gold versus copper (but this is a business magazine, not an engineering or physics one).

A team of Chinese researchers has turned cheap copper into a new material “almost identical” to gold, according to a study published on Saturday in the peer-reviewed journal Science Advances.

The discovery could significantly reduce the use of rare, expensive metals in factories, the authors said.

Professor Sun Jian and his colleagues at the Dalian Institute of Chemical Physics, at the Chinese Academy of Sciences in Liaoning, shot a copper target with a jet of hot, electrically charged argon gas.

The fast-moving ionised particles blasted copper atoms off the target. The atoms cooled down and condensed on the surface of a collecting device, producing a thin layer of sand.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:00:15am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t think this process will threaten the gold market for industrial use, as the article implies. The procedure used to create these “gold-like” copper particles requires wild amounts of energy to produce tiny amounts of the copper particles.

It is an interesting look into sub-atomic physics, however.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:05:02am

re: #166 freetoken

Notice that some poorly written pop-articles are showing up on time-travel… even by physicists.

My general criticism is that the nature of the problem is over-simplified for the purposes of writing short articles.

This is especially true when it comes to cosmology. There is a great deal of too-simple explanations of the key problems.

Mostly the authors ignore the horizon problem. It’s all too easy to ignore it. And then there is an even deeper, philosophical adjunct, which I also call the horizon problem - namely, we are limited by the speed of light in what we can actually observe. To make the assertion (as so many pop writers do) that what exists (ontology) is limited to what is observable (our horizon) is very anthropocentric.

Both time travel and cosmology are difficult subjects to teach, because both require substantial understanding of basic physics. Ask me how I know. Many scientists assume the average reader has that understanding, which is really overestimating the skill level of the average reader. When we are still dealing with people who question whether the earth is round and orbiting the sun in the 21st century, we can see the average reader is probably pretty ignorant.

Another problem is math. Americans suck at math. To accept, much less understand, physics and astronomy, the layman needs to understand the mathematical arguments that underlie the predictions from either science. When the typical person has trouble with ratios, percentages, and graphical representations of data, expecting them to deal with exponential limits (speed of light) and the inverse-square law (gravity) is a real stretch.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:08:11am

re: #174 Anymouse 🌹

I don’t think this process will threaten the gold market for industrial use, as the article implies. The procedure used to create these “gold-like” copper particles requires wild amounts of energy to produce tiny amounts of the copper particles.

It is an interesting look into sub-atomic physics, however.

Gold is used where it is used because A: it won’t corrode, and 2: it can be beaten out or plated on incredibly thin. This process might imitate the first, but not the second.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:15:06am

re: #175 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m not so sure it’s just Americans (though we certainly have plenty of whackaloons here).

As scientists across all fields uncover more and more information about how the world works, that information seems to grow in a manner similar to Moore’s Law for computers.

At some point it becomes impossible to grasp everything, as our knowledge outstrips our brains to process it. (That might explain biologists who are also creationists.)

The Inverse Square Law (Coulomb’s Law) is used for a lot more than cosmology (for example, electromagnetism).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:16:26am

This tweet from the NYPD has prompted exactly the kind of replies you’d expect.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:26:00am

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

I’m not so sure it’s just Americans (though we certainly have plenty of whackaloons here).

As scientists across all fields uncover more and more information about how the world works, that information seems to grow in a manner similar to Moore’s Law for computers.

At some point it becomes impossible to grasp everything, as our knowledge outstrips our brains to process it. (That might explain biologists who are also creationists.)

The Inverse Square Law (Coulomb’s Law) is used for a lot more than cosmology (for example, electromagnetism).

Alvin Toffler in Future Shock referred to this information overload, IIRC. Being a generalist is not nearly as easy as it was back in the early days of the scientific revolution. People end up being specialists because our brains can only retain so much information reliably.

My concern is the number of people in the USA (and yes elsewhere) who do not even have a basic scientific understanding of the world around them. I believe it’s the same people who cannot distinguish between fact and opinion, or who believe there can be “alternative facts.”

I’ve been a teacher for 35 years. Believe me when I tell you some people just never learn, no matter how hard we try to teach them. They may remember things just long enough to pass their exams, but they do not internalize those facts. No school anywhere teaches that the world is flat, and instruction in several disciplines presupposes a round Earth, yet there are people who insist the world is flat because lame reasons.

Insert George Carlin quote about stupid people here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:38:01am

Hackers leak hundreds of North Korean defectors’ personal details stolen from a resettlement centre in the South (South China Morning Post)

Basically this was caused by a phishing attack via E-mail on a centre tasked with helping resettle North Korean defectors.

North Korea is infamous for killing defectors when they find them.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 2:48:32am

re: #180 Anymouse 🌹

Hackers leak hundreds of North Korean defectors’ personal details stolen from a resettlement centre in the South (South China Morning Post)

Basically this was caused by a phishing attack via E-mail on a centre tasked with helping resettle North Korean defectors.

North Korea is infamous for killing defectors when they find them.

This is not good news for those defectors, who may now have to adopt new names and documentation to avoid being killed. I wonder if the SK government would help them, now the North and South seem to be trying to get along better.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:22:06am

In business news:

Sears, the 125-year-old icon, has 24 hours to survive.

The employer of more than 68,000 filed for bankruptcy in October. Its last shot at survival is a $4.6 billion proposal put forward by its chairman, Eddie Lampert, to buy the company out of bankruptcy through his hedge fund, ESL Investments. ESL is the only party offering to buy Sears as a whole, people familiar with the situation tell CNBC. Without that bid or another like it, liquidators will break the company up into pieces.

But as Lampert stares down a deadline of Dec. 28 to submit his offer, he is quickly running out of time. As of Thursday afternoon, Lampert had neither submitted his bid, nor rounded up financing, the people familiar said. Should Lampert submit a bid, Sears’ advisors would have until Jan. 4 to decide whether he is a “qualified bidder.” Only then, could ESL take part in an auction against liquidation bids on Jan. 14.

It is possible Lampert, Sears’ largest investor, secures financing in time to meet the deadline, these people said. The hedge fund manager turned retailer has managed last-minute feats before. Due to requirements by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Lampert will be required to make his bid public. That stipulation that could sway him to prolong the filing until its exact deadline of 4:00 p.m. ET Friday.

cnbc.com

Lampert has until 2200 CET to pull this off. We’ll see.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:42:46am
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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:45:07am

🤢🤢🤢🤮

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:53:49am

re: #184 MsJ

🤢🤢🤢🤮

Worse yet, seeing the nude selfie.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:55:59am

Well, my tiny moment of Twitter fame: this comment of mine has had 42 likes so far.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 3:59:34am

re: #186 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, my tiny moment of Twitter fame: this comment of mine has had 42 likes so far.

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43. 😁

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:06:10am

WTFITS?

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:10:18am
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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:11:27am

Ha!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:14:39am

re: #190 MsJ

I can still see his tweet, though.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:17:44am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:21:02am

re: #188 MsJ

WTFITS?

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it’s a joke

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:22:00am

re: #188 MsJ

WTFITS?

TrumpCoin is a thing, and was created in November 2016. Current value is about 1.6 cents.

cryptocompare.com

I don’t recommend buying any.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:28:52am

re: #191 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I can still see his tweet, though.

He must have changed it for some reason.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:29:25am

re: #188 MsJ

WTFITS?

It’s for real apparently, and what a bargain!

trumpcoin

TRUMP

Last Price: $ 0.02679400 Change: +0.40 %
High: $ 0.02699992 Low: $ 0.02659839
Amount traded: $ 9

Even with “established” cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin, nearly no one accepts them and always want them converted to actual money (whether $, £, &c)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:30:12am

re: #196 Anymouse 🌹

Left out the link:
worldcoinindex.com

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:30:52am

I know I shouldn’t have laughed at this. I know it’s wrong. But I’m still laughing. I’m sorry I’m a bad person.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:34:57am

“… Williams, a state senator who saw his gubernatorial bid end with a loss in the Georgia GOP primary, turned himself in Wednesday on one count each of insurance fraud, filling a false crime report and making a false statement. He was indicted last week. …

… Williams, a state senator who saw his gubernatorial bid end with a loss in the Georgia GOP primary, turned himself in Wednesday on one count each of insurance fraud, filling a false crime report and making a false statement. He was indicted last week. …”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:35:45am

Biff is awake.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:42:03am

re: #200 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Tell you what, old man.

Here’s the deal - you want your five billion? Fine. But there’s no such thing as a free lunch, you know.

So…..immediate citizenship for all the Dreamers.

Amnesty for all undocumented aliens currently residing in the United States (barring felony or serious crime convictions, of course).

Whaddaya say, Trump? Deal? Because that’s the only deal I’m gonna give you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:47:44am

re: #153 austin_blue

I look at 53% and I wonder, why so low?

Why not 63%? I know that there are about 30% to 35% of voters who are MAGAts and Ever Trumpers, but who, exactly is still sitting on the fence?

His economic policies are screwing the economy, his foreign policy has been a disaster, our standing with the world community at this point makes us look like Shriners in clown cars, and yet there is still a 15% chunk of voters who won’t take a stand.

I mean, what does have to do? Throw our staunchest ally in the war against terrorism in the Middle East under a bus? Oh, wait…

Remove us from a Climate Change accord that the US championed? Oh, wait…

Pull us out of an agreement that put hard and fast controls on a country that could produce nukes, in conjunction with our closest allies? Oh, wait…

H. L. Mencken said “Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

He was right.

Night all, may you have sweet dreams. Maybe tomorrow is indictment Friday, the last of 2018. There is always hope.

It’s the “undecideds”, i.e. people who like Trump but are too chickenshit to tell the pollster.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:52:21am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Tell you what, old man.

Here’s the deal - you want your five billion? Fine. But there’s no such thing as a free lunch, you know.

So…..immediate citizenship for all the Dreamers.

Amnesty for all undocumented aliens currently residing in the United States (barring felony or serious crime convictions, of course).

Whaddaya say, Trump? Deal? Because that’s the only deal I’m gonna give you.

I’m not going to give him that much. Not one dime for a mediæval solution to his racism problem.

Mabye he can finance it with TrumpCoin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:55:38am

re: #202 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s the “undecideds”, i.e. people who like Trump but are too chickenshit to tell the pollster.

On the phone the other day with my eldest cousin, she finally admitted she’d fallen for GOP propaganda of forty years or so that Hillary Clinton was “untrustworthy,” (therefore casting a vote for Jill Stein in Michigan).

It’s not that she was a Green Party supporter, she went with the endless conservative drumbeat of “Both Sides are Equally Corrupt (tm).”

I suspect she won’t make that mistake again. In the last election, she was all in for the Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:57:19am

re: #200 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Biff is awake.

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how will he be able to “close the border entirely”?

moron

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:58:08am

What is his deal with ellipses?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 4:58:24am

it’s taking him a long time to squeeze out this thought…

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Decatur Deb  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:03:18am

re: #146 freetoken

A long time ago, someone had the idea that the new fangled invention of television ought to be high brow entertainment.

From almost 69 years ago, opera legend Jussi Bjorling was featured on American television:

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The someone was Mr Firestone, of the founding family, whose wife was an opera buff. The show always closed with “their” song, If I Could Tell You of My Devotion.
It was one of the programs we always got to see on the dorm’s 20inch B&W.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:05:55am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What is his deal with ellipses?

Aside from not being able to count the number of dots in ellipses, he apparently thinks that’s how you thread a series of tweets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:06:09am

re: #206 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What is his deal with ellipses?

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“Profit making operation”

Stupid orange asshole.

The economy lost $5 million when we closed ONE border crossing for 6 hours. So profit. Much making.

Also how can you effectively shut a border down when the government isn’t even fully funded?

He’s such a fucking idiot.

And how much you want to bet this tweet will make the markets dive again today?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:06:34am

moron

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:06:34am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

If he closes the border, then shippers will not be able to make just-in-time deliveries to businesses in the USA needing those items. Americans living in Mexico will not be able to drive across the border, a convenience many appreciate. Long story short, Trump would be shooting the USA in the foot by closing the border.

Maybe that’s his plan.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:07:51am

re: #205 Backwoods_Sleuth

how will he be able to “close the border entirely”?

moron

I suspect he means “shut all legal border crossings.” Wanna make Texas flip blue? That ought to do it. That would really foul up the state economy in Texas.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:08:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:09:33am
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darthstar  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:10:00am

Seriously, the government is advising employees to offer to do maintenance to help pay their rent during the shutdown.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:10:56am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

He loosted it. Or something.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:11:53am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:13:18am

Angie, I love ya, but no.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:14:20am

re: #217 MsJ

He loosted it. Or something.

And what is with the “sooo” like a teenage girl chatting with her friends?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:15:21am

re: #220 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And what is with the “sooo” like a teenage girl chatting with her friends?

Weeellll, it’s not like anyone around here ever did that. /s

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:21:01am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:21:44am

re: #219 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angie, I love ya, but no.

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More celebrity Presidents. Just what we don’t need.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:22:13am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

Weeellll, it’s not like anyone around here ever did that. /s

Aaaaaand it’s not like any of us iz president (though most of us are far more qualified). Amirite?

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:23:39am

re: #219 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angie, I love ya, but no.

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At least she’s done shit. She’s walked the walk.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:26:03am

re: #225 MsJ

At least she’s done shit. She’s walked the walk.

Angelina has been very active and vocal in her work with refugees and relief agencies. She’s intelligent, too. But I do not want another neophyte serving as president.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:27:04am

Well Trump’s success in getting nominated and elected changes the game now. Call me d fashioned but I prefer people who have spent their career in public service as President.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:28:38am

re: #226 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angelina has been very active and vocal in her work with refugees and relief agencies. She’s intelligent, too. But I do not want another neophyte serving as president.

Indeed. Props for that and maybe make her a special envoy on that subject but I don’t think Angelina Jolie is qualified to make military decisions among others. I guess I can’t blame her for wanting to try after Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:29:03am

re: #219 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angie, I love ya, but no.

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Great. Another Ayn Rand acolyte…

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:29:47am

re: #226 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angelina has been very active and vocal in her work with refugees and relief agencies. She’s intelligent, too. But I do not want another neophyte serving as president.

I’m not saying I do. I’m just saying that she’s not some dipsy do celeb.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:30:27am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

Great. Another Ayn Rand acolyte…

What makes you say that?

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bd(Redacted)  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:32:33am

Good morning Lizards:

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:37:07am
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jeffreyw  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:38:12am

Imgur


Good morning!

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:39:35am

consider this:

when the dems take over the house, it’s likely they pass a clean funding bill with no wall

mcconnell can then fall on his sword or dump it squarely where it really belongs; in trump’s lap as he said so on tv

BUT Pelosi and co could decide:

to play with him by inserting language in the bill authorizing him spend all the money he gets from Mexico on the wall. Or maybe language ordering him to negotiate with Mexico about paying for the wall.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:50:39am

re: #235 dangerman

Haaaaahahahahaha.

Those last options would be epic.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:57:26am

re: #231 MsJ

What makes you say that?

There are numerous articles about Angelina Jolie admiring Ayn Rand’s Objectivism.

atlassociety.org

She’s been at it a long time.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 5:59:01am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

Haaaaahahahahaha.

Those last options would be epic.

Trump would pitch an epic fit, probably on live TV. He’d have a toddler-esque temper tantrum, a meltdown for all the world to see.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:04:35am

re: #231 MsJ

What makes you say that?

She’s a well known Objectivist who tried to bring Atlas Shrugged to the screen. She’s also a libertarian.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:06:22am

re: #239 Joe Bacon 🌹

She’s a well known Objectivist who tried to bring Atlas Shrugged to the screen. She’s also a libertarian.

Yet she is a philanthropist and NGO spokeswoman. Go figure.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:16:53am

re: #240 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I get the feeling she never actually read Rand.

Kind of like the people who read the “As you have done unto the least of these” and want to kill kids trying to get away from civil wars…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:16:59am

re: #240 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yet she is a philanthropist and NGO spokeswoman. Go figure.

Yeah it’s weird. And I seem to recther supporting Obama and Clinton too.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:17:34am

re: #241 Sufficient unto the day…

I get the feeling she never actually read Rand.

Kind of like the people who read the “As you have done unto the least of these” and want to kill kids trying to get away from civil wars…

She wouldn’t be the first. Paul Ryan clearly didn’t read her.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:17:54am

re: #235 dangerman

Pelosi can just pass the bill that was already passed in the Senate under McConnell because that bill contained no funding for the border wall.

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lawhawk  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:24:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area… the day after the Quickening (and yeah, I got the location of Silvercup Studios wrong… my bad - that’s LIC, not Astoria - but Queens is a big place and it’s not like it was Brooklyn or anything).

Trump’s gone on about the wall and threatening to shut down trade if he doesn’t get his way.

He’s determined to cause the stock markets to spasm again. Because of course he is. He doesn’t know or care the damage he’s doing - unless he thinks the damage is precisely what his base wants. They think that this helps them?

Trump is pandering to his bigot brigade base, and is pushing his white nationalist policy because it’s clear that he and they fear nonwhite children and women. He fears all of it.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:29:17am

re: #219 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Angie, I love ya, but no.

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Run for President where? Surely, not here in the U.S.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:29:46am
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lawhawk  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:30:34am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:32:30am

re: #245 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area… the day after the Quickening (and yeah, I got the location of Silvercup Studios wrong… my bad - that’s LIC, not Astoria - but Queens is a big place and it’s not like it was Brooklyn or anything).

Trump’s gone on about the wall and threatening to shut down trade if he doesn’t get his way.

He’s determined to cause the stock markets to spasm again. Because of course he is. He doesn’t know or care the damage he’s doing - unless he thinks the damage is precisely what his base wants. They think that this helps them?

Trump is pandering to his bigot brigade base, and is pushing his white nationalist policy because it’s clear that he and they fear nonwhite children and women. He fears all of it.

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Such a disgusting bigot.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:34:02am

re: #207 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s taking him a long time to squeeze out this thought…

It must be a difficult loaf that he’s pinching this AM. Somebody get that turd some Metamucil, preferably orange flavored.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:34:39am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Pelosi can just pass the bill that was already passed in the Senate under McConnell because that bill contained no funding for the border wall.

Oh yes
That was option A above

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:38:11am

Interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:39:08am

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Interesting.

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I’m not surprised.

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ThomasLite  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:47:59am

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Interesting.

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What they’re not really telling you is that in many ways, our govt simply steered in this direction to cut costs; also the way both the judiciary and prosecutor’s office have had to cut their budgets simply makes for less convictions overall.
If anything we’ve gotten a bit tough(er) on crime over the past decade or so. I dunno, but BI seems to be seeing just what they want to see.

I mean, sure, a lot of what they’re describing works - but it’s done so for a couple of decades now. What you’re seeing here is a justice system that at this point is prioritising only large-scale fraud and violent offences for budgetary reasons.
I’ll dig into it a bit more later on but I’m 99,99% sure we’re not really diverting that many more offenders to alternative (non-detention) punishment. Not in a recent timeframe, anyway.
Sure there will be more ankle monitors - more affordable now - but community service and other similar interventions were here decades ago.

…And tbh the way the police (and prosecution, to be fair) seem to simply not care about individual online fraud etc, certainly not in the way mail fraud or wire fraud are, from what I can tell, often times vigorously prosecuted in the US, to the point where most citizens are simply too apathetic to even file a police report any more, would in no small part account for suspiciously low crime stats.

Sorry, I like a lot about our criminal justice system in theory, but we’re not even close to that kind of an example. Not really, not if you look at the reality beyond statistics fudged by likely historically low reporting rates.

edit: and oh yeah, fair enough - lax drug laws (and ditto enforcement) help. OTOH, if anything they’ve tightened that up considerably over the past 10-20 years. So again… Eeeehhhh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:55:04am

Here is a blithering idiot already deep into ratfucking the Democrats for 2020:

Its timeline is full of shit like this:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:58:29am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a blithering idiot already deep into ratfucking the Democrats for 2020:

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These fucking people.

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:58:42am

re: #183 MsJ

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Revenge is best served cold (but large fangs and claws work just as well).

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 6:59:51am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

The Obamas are the most admired man and woman in the U.S. Attacking them isn’t going to work with the majority of Democrats.

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:06:43am
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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:07:48am

re: #258 Patricia Kayden

The Obamas are the most admired man and woman in the U.S. Attacking them isn’t going to work with the majority of Democrats.

Either of them running for anything? I forget. ///

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:08:25am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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JFC

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:15:30am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

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They are also actually suggesting peiple hire lawyers to help them negotiate

Can’t afford rent but can afford a lawyer??
Idiots

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:17:28am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

She wouldn’t be the first. Paul Ryan clearly didn’t read her.

Or he did. And loved it.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:18:54am

re: #263 MsJ

Or he did. And loved it.

He’s very anti abortion. She wasn’t. They cherry pick Rand as much as they do the Bible, Constitution, etc. I’m not defending Rand fwiw but her views were different from so cons.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:19:56am

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a blithering idiot already deep into ratfucking the Democrats for 2020:

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Guess I won’t be voting for Barack Obama for president in 2020. 😥

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:23:28am

re: #262 dangerman

They are also actually suggesting peiple hire lawyers to help them negotiate

Can’t afford rent but can afford a lawyer??
Idiots

Don’t you realize that everyone has an attorney on retainer?

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The Vicious Babushka  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:23:39am

Here is a chapter by chapter critique of Atlas Shrugged.

It took 3 years to blog. It’s much better than reading the actual book and demolishes every Randian talking point.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:24:33am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:26:18am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a chapter by chapter critique of Atlas Shrugged.

It took 3 years to blog. It’s much better than reading the actual book and demolishes every Randian talking point.

All I needed to know about her and this is why I don’t buy that Jolie actually subscribed to batshit objectivism is she thought charity was immoral and The Fountainhead was a bunch of garbage. At least Marx was actually correct about the conditions of the working class when he wrote. Rather than some wackjob who praised a serial killer as the pinnacle of manhood.

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:26:19am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

He’s very anti abortion. She wasn’t. They cherry pick Rand as much as they do the Bible, Constitution, etc.

Ryan probably read only Atlas Shrugged, which had no discussion of abortion, only economics. His philosophy is in synch with those ideas.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:03am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:06am

An African-American man who was a paid guest at the Doubletree Hotel in Portland, Oregon was harassed by security for “loitering” in the lobby (he was taking a phone call there). The police were called and he was ejected for trespassing.

Others in the lobby were not similarly harassed (or harassed at all). With video:
oregonlive.com

There is a reason The Green Book has been resurrected on Facebook.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:08am

re: #270 Hecuba’s daughter

Ryan probably read only Atlas Shrugged, which had no discussion of abortion, only economics. His philosophy is in synch with those ideas.

True but he had very specifically cited her as a philosophical influence. She was a racist too per her ugly speech at West Point about Native Americans which also shows her hypocrisy top.

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:14am

re: #267 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a chapter by chapter critique of Atlas Shrugged.

It took 3 years to blog. It’s much better than reading the actual book and demolishes every Randian talking point.

I must be stupid because I read the book and thought it was a good novel. I never, for one single second, thought of it as a philosophy.

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stpaulbear  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:15am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My Nephew was born on December 25th so his family celebrates his half-birthday in June.

I was born on June 25 so I consider my birthday to be the anti-Christmas.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:49am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

An African-American man who was a paid guest at the Doubletree Hotel in Portland, Oregon was harassed by security for “loitering” in the lobby (he was taking a phone call there). The police were called and he was ejected for trespassing.

Others in the lobby were not similarly harassed (or harassed at all). With video:
oregonlive.com

There is a reason The Green Book has been resurrected on Facebook.

It happens everywhere even in so called progressive places.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:28:59am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

What the actual hell is going on? Who in their right mind would go to their landlord with that? I pay mortgage. I can’t take something so ridiculous to the bank. Just reopen the dang government so federal employees can get their pay.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:29:17am

re: #269 HappyWarrior

All I needed to know about her and this is why I don’t buy that Jolie actually subscribed to batshit objectivism is she thought charity was immoral and The Fountainhead was a bunch of garbage. At least Marx was actually correct about the conditions of the working class when he wrote. Rather than some wackjob who praised a serial killer as the pinnacle of manhood.

And her rape fantasy was upheld the same way.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:30:41am

re: #278 Anymouse 🌹

And her rape fantasy was upheld the same way.

Right. All around Ayn Rand was awful. She took her understandable disgust with the Bolshevik revolution’s aftermath and created something just as ugly.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:36:45am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

An African-American man who was a paid guest at the Doubletree Hotel in Portland, Oregon was harassed by security for “loitering” in the lobby (he was taking a phone call there). The police were called and he was ejected for trespassing.

Others in the lobby were not similarly harassed (or harassed at all). With video:
oregonlive.com

There is a reason The Green Book has been resurrected on Facebook.

What did they send out, the SWAT team?! Did you see what the cop was wearing?!

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:38:22am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

So the cops took the side of Earl even though Massie had a room key to prove that he had paid for a room. Sigh.

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CleverToad  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:41:00am

re: #254 ThomasLite

Thanks for the first-hand perspective

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:43:54am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

Earl and the manager have been placed on leave. Hopefully they get fired.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:46:58am

re: #283 Patricia Kayden

Earl and the manager have been placed on leave. Hopefully they get fired.

We’ll see if that happens or if Doubletree waits for the hulaboo to quiet down, then bring them back off leave.

One thing cell phones have done is provide evidence for those who have always claimed “it’s not as bad as all that.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:49:01am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

From the article, corporatespeak which translates to “both sides are guilty”:

“Safety and security of our guests and associates is our top priority at the Doubletree by Hilton Portland,” [Paul] Peralta [General Manager of Doubletree] said in a statement. “This unfortunate incident is likely the result of a misunderstanding between our hotel and guest. We are sorry that this matter ended the way it did. We are place of public accommodation and do not discriminate against any individuals or groups.”

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:51:44am

Fucking Fox News driving policy again.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:52:28am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

An African-American man who was a paid guest at the Doubletree Hotel in Portland, Oregon was harassed by security for “loitering” in the lobby (he was taking a phone call there). The police were called and he was ejected for trespassing.

Others in the lobby were not similarly harassed (or harassed at all). With video:
oregonlive.com

There is a reason The Green Book has been resurrected on Facebook.

The NAACP now warns about traveling in Missouri…

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MsJ  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:52:49am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

We’ll see if that happens or if Doubletree waits for the hulaboo to quiet down, then bring them back off leave.

One thing cell phones have done is provide evidence for those who have always claimed “it’s not as bad as all that.”

Time to tune up Hilton.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:53:50am

re: #252 Patricia Kayden

Dutch prisons are closing. Crime rates are low due to a number of factors, namely…progressive drug laws, a focus on rehabilitation over punishment, and an electronic ankle monitoring system that allows people to re-enter the workforce

OT;

GF and I booked a hotel room in downtown Maastricht for New Year’s Eve…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:55:01am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Right. All around Ayn Rand was awful. She took her understandable disgust with the Bolshevik revolution’s aftermath and created something just as ugly.

And she had benefactors who supported her in producing ugly Capitalist ideology

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:57:29am

Just to be clear. He wasn’t claiming to be a General, this time. (oh, and there was a “Trump” component that time)
He was claiming he was a “federal parole officer” (he’s a mechanic), chasing a van full of illegal immigrants, with a bomb, and they were shooting at him, and he had been hit.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:57:50am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

An African-American man who was a paid guest at the Doubletree Hotel in Portland, Oregon was harassed by security for “loitering” in the lobby (he was taking a phone call there). The police were called and he was ejected for trespassing.

Others in the lobby were not similarly harassed (or harassed at all). With video:
oregonlive.com

There is a reason The Green Book has been resurrected on Facebook.

i read this yesterday
pigs - the hotel and the police

in all of these 911 while black calls, there is a sad reality
the targets have rights, shouldnt be detained or searched or whatever
they have been, generally, in the right

and still unfortunately once the call is made your stay at the hotel, or your dinner, or your visit to the park or wherever is screwed

once the call is made (even without your knowledge) you arent going to get to exercise your rights to be served a meal, stay in a room you paid for, sit in any public accommodation (starbucks), assembly, etc

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 7:58:13am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

There are numerous articles about Angelina Jolie admiring Ayn Rand’s Objectivism.

atlassociety.org

She’s been at it a long time.

Morning!

Well, I wonder why a bunch of rich Hollywood types would be so infatuated with Ayn Rand?

Could it be because they have so much money and ego to entertain such a lifestyle?

I keep in mind Scientology is also big in Hollywood.

Bottom line…ego is what it is all about. All this crap feeds into that ego and pumps it up so much how could any other “ism” be legit if I with the ego doesn’t subscribe.

If you have the wherewithal to live on an island why wouldn’t you want everything to be all about you?

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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:01:22am

re: #233 MsJ

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Which is why Bernie’s starting early.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:01:51am

re: #285 Anymouse 🌹

From the article, corporatespeak which translates to “both sides are guilty”:

let me fix this:

Safety and security of our guests and associates is our top priority at the Doubletree by Hilton Portland,” [Paul] Peralta [General Manager of Doubletree] said in a statement. “This unfortunate incident is likely the result of us not understanding our policies and the law which created a “misunderstanding” between our hotel had about a and guest. We are sorry that this matter ended the way it did. We are place of public accommodation and do not discriminate against any individuals or groups.

i left ‘misunderstanding’ in there to be charitable

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:03:00am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Just to be clear. He wasn’t claiming to be a General, this time. (oh, and there was a “Trump” component that time)
He was claiming he was a “federal parole officer” (he’s a mechanic), chasing a van full of illegal immigrants, with a bomb, and they were shooting at him, and he had been hit.

Is that the bit that Trump was re-tweeting about the shootout with illegal immigrants?

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:03:30am

re: #262 dangerman

They are also actually suggesting peiple hire lawyers to help them negotiate

Can’t afford rent but can afford a lawyer??
Idiots

Are those the same people that suggested our parents give us a few hundred thousand dollars to go out and start our lives.

Sure, why not?

It’s going to be one of those days isn’t it?

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:04:00am

huffingtonpost.com

Essays by several conservatives such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), Kevin Williamson, Chris Cillizza, Bari Weiss, and others complaining how they are being mistreated by liberals.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:04:51am
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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:05:49am

re: #263 MsJ

Or he did. And loved it.

re: #264 HappyWarrior

He’s very anti abortion. She wasn’t. They cherry pick Rand as much as they do the Bible, Constitution, etc. I’m not defending Rand fwiw but her views were different from so cons.

He read it. He’s the prototypical male who’s only book he ever read on his own was Atlas Shrugged.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:06:38am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

huffingtonpost.com

Essays by several conservatives such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), Kevin Williamson, Chris Cillizza, Bari Weiss, and others complaining how they are being mistreated by liberals.

Actions have consequences.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:07:01am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

huffingtonpost.com

Essays by several conservatives such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), Kevin Williamson, Chris Cillizza, Bari Weiss, and others complaining how they are being mistreated by liberals.

These are the same people who want it to be lawful to discriminate based on sexuality. Tough shit. We don’t have to be nice to conservatives. Sasse and the others are a bunch of concern troll babies and Williamson earned it by talking about hanging women.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:07:49am

re: #300 Belafon

He read it. He’s the prototypical male who’s only book he ever read on his own was Atlas Shrugged.

True that. I’m merely saying. He cherry picked it.

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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:10:29am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

True that. I’m merely saying. He cherry picked it.

He’s read the book. And yes, he’s cherry picked parts. But I doubt he knows much of anything about Rand. Why spoil a Bible by knowing about the author.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:10:51am

re: #301 Joe Bacon 🌹

Actions have consequences.

Yep they choose to act like condescending assholes, they’re going to be treated that way. No violence but I’d gladly give them a piece of my mind should I ever encounter them. They want to say all the bs that they do with no consequences.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:12:00am

re: #304 Belafon

He’s read the book. And yes, he’s cherry picked parts. But I doubt he knows much of anything about Rand. Why spoil a Bible by knowing about the author.

Well I was talking about her philosophy. A lot of it is at odds with his Catholicism. You can either be a Randian or a Catholic, you can’t do both.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:12:08am

re: #304 Belafon

He’s read the book. And yes, he’s cherry picked parts. But I doubt he knows much of anything about Rand. Why spoil a Bible by knowing about the author.

Such as the fact she was an atheist. (We have chowderheads in our group too.)

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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:13:17am

re: #233 MsJ

This would be more than acceptable to me as a choice:

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:13:28am

re: #307 Anymouse 🌹

Such as the fact she was an atheist. (We have chowderheads in our group too.)

Very hostile to religion in fact.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:14:04am

re: #308 Belafon

This would be more than acceptable to me as a choice:

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That’s my ticket too.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:14:14am

re: #297 ObserverArt

Are those the same people that suggested our parents give us a few hundred thousand dollars to go out and start our lives.

Sure, why not?

It’s going to be one of those days isn’t it?

well it’s the “The U.S. Office of Personnel Management” of the trump administration so, yeah, same people more or less

meanwhile market hasnt tanked in the first 2 hours….so….hope!

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:15:33am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Well I was talking about her philosophy. A lot of it is at odds with his Catholicism. You can either be a Randian or a Catholic, you can’t do both.

A lot of the Rand philosophy is at odds with simple reality.

It’s great in a book and on a movie stage.

In the real world it all comes up against real people and real problems.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:15:43am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

huffingtonpost.com

Essays by several conservatives such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), Kevin Williamson, Chris Cillizza, Bari Weiss, and others complaining how they are being mistreated by liberals.

sorta:

I asked 10 of America’s foremost thought leaders, authors and political figures to help me put together a definitive list.

All of them refused.

Undaunted, I forced a bot to review the collected writings of each person I asked, and then write essays for me. The bot instead crashed a Tesla into a Checkers.

So I wrote them myself.

The following essays and articles are the result of that painstaking process.

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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:18:08am

BTW, I’m sure Russia would be more than willing to give these employees a personal loan to cover their expenses until the government reopens.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:18:44am

Why should I act nice to someone like Kevin Williamson who says that women who exercise their right to choose should be hanged? Better yet, why should I act nice to anyone that is published by NRO, a publication founded by a McCarthyite classist racist asshole. I won’t go out of my way to be hostile to right wingers but I sure as shit don’t feel I owe them any common courtesy especially after they’re the ones who made people like Limbaugh, Trump, Hannity, Coulter, and others their political mascots.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:19:25am

re: #312 ObserverArt

A lot of the Rand philosophy is at odds with simple reality.

It’s great in a book and on a movie stage.

In the real world it all comes up against real people and real problems.

I would say her views are at odds with basic humanity.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:19:29am

re: #313 dangerman

True … I was not clear that the writers did not directly write the essays. I should have made that clear in the citation.

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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:21:23am

That’s the big point, it wasn’t just clothes they had, it wasn’t just gear with Trump’s name on it, it was Trump 2020 gear.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:24:29am

re: #318 Belafon

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That’s the big point, it wasn’t just clothes they had, it wasn’t just gear with Trump’s name on it, it was Trump 2020 gear.

Why shouldn’t they? The military isn’t supposed to be political. If there were Hope and Change signs at an Obama-military event, there would have been cries that OBAMA IS TRYING TO USE THE MILITARY AS HIS OWN PERSONAL GUARD. So yeah absolutely they should. What has made our military work for so long is that it’s apolitical. And those military men and women who wore Trump gear definitely violated that spirit.

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Decatur Deb  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:24:53am

re: #318 Belafon

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That’s the big point, it wasn’t just clothes they had, it wasn’t just gear with Trump’s name on it, it was Trump 2020 gear.

Send them to the Eastern Front.

No…Wait….

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:25:10am

Them getting Trump’s autograph? That’s one thing honestly but actually wearing Trump 2020 gear is another game all together.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:25:42am

re: #315 HappyWarrior

Why should I act nice to someone like Kevin Williamson who says that women who exercise their right to choose should be hanged? Better yet, why should I act nice to anyone that is published by NRO, a publication founded by a McCarthyite classist racist asshole. I won’t go out of my way to be hostile to right wingers but I sure as shit don’t feel I owe them any common courtesy especially after they’re the ones who made people like Limbaugh, Trump, Hannity, Coulter, and others their political mascots.

they are not reasonable, rational, fair, honest, or sincere

they are crackpots and you know what i say:
do not legitimize crackpots

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:27:44am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Why shouldn’t they? The military isn’t supposed to be political. If there were Hope and Change signs at an Obama-military event, there would have been cries that OBAMA IS TRYING TO USE THE MILITARY AS HIS OWN PERSONAL GUARD. So yeah absolutely they should. What has made our military work for so long is that it’s apolitical. And those military men and women who wore Trump gear definitely violated that spirit the rules.

sorry…im having a day

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Teddy's Person  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:28:22am

re: #318 Belafon

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That’s the big point, it wasn’t just clothes they had, it wasn’t just gear with Trump’s name on it, it was Trump 2020 gear.

Saw this image attached to a tweet.

The Sharpies on the table in this photo struck me: someone planned Trump signing things.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:28:44am

re: #323 dangerman

sorry…im having a day

You’re good. I’m just pointing out that if troops were wearing Obama 2012 merch, there would have been a shit fit by the same people insisting this isn’t a big deal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:28:52am

re: #312 ObserverArt

A lot of the Rand philosophy is at odds with simple reality.

It’s great in a book and on a movie stage.

In the real world it all comes up against real people and real problems.

If we all hatched out as fully formed adults and could be fitted with an education chip and then sent out to fulfill our potential as individuals, then extreme Randian Libertarianism would start to make sense.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:30:38am

re: #326 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If we all hatched out as fully formed adults and could be fitted with an education chip and then sent out to fulfill our potential as individuals, then extreme Randian Libertarianism would start to make sense.

Hell I think even that’s a little naive since a lot of success is based off whom we know. The trouble with Rand’s philosophy if you can call it that is it doesn’t take into account any human factors. In that way, Objectivism isn’t too different from doctrinaire Marxism.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:31:55am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Hell I think even that’s a little naive since a lot of success is based off whom we know. The trouble with Rand’s philosophy if you can call it that is it doesn’t take into account any human factors. In that way, Objectivism isn’t too different from doctrinaire Marxism.

Her own success was based on who she knew.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:32:25am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Her own success was based on who she knew.

Exactly.

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dangerman  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:32:59am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Hell I think even that’s a little naive since a lot of success is based off whom we know. The trouble with Rand’s philosophy if you can call it that is it doesn’t take into account any human factors. In that way, Objectivism isn’t too different from doctrinaire Marxism.

It is dangerous for the rest of us if you think you have the ultimate ideology

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:33:38am

re: #291 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Just to be clear. He wasn’t claiming to be a General, this time. (oh, and there was a “Trump” component that time)
He was claiming he was a “federal parole officer” (he’s a mechanic), chasing a van full of illegal immigrants, with a bomb, and they were shooting at him, and he had been hit.

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The kook is an immigrant himself, just recently became a US citizen.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:34:09am

re: #318 Belafon

That’s the big point, it wasn’t just clothes they had, it wasn’t just gear with Trump’s name on it, it was Trump 2020 gear.

Maybe not discipline the troops. The officers most definitely. They are the ones who are in control of their formations.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:35:37am

re: #330 dangerman

It is dangerous for the rest of us if you think you have the ultimate ideology

Precisely. Doesn’t matter if it’s capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. As I’ve observed, while the ideology itself is very different, libertarianism and Marxism aren’t too different in how the mind approaches them which is why I personally think why some former staunch Marxists easily go to the other extreme. If you’re viewing economics and or ideology as an absolute, you’re making a mistake. Economics and ideology are both social sciences after all.

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:35:48am

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Hell I think even that’s a little naive since a lot of success is based off whom we know. The trouble with Rand’s philosophy if you can call it that is it doesn’t take into account any human factors. In that way, Objectivism isn’t too different from doctrinaire Marxism.

Well, Wendell did say “would start to make sense.”

Not that it is completely sensible. Heh.

Every Philosophy sounds good. Practice is often difficult in the real world with real humans.

Again, if you have the time and the money to be above it all, then any philosophy may work for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:37:20am

moron is so fucking needy

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:38:26am

re: #334 ObserverArt

Well, Wendell did say “would start to make sense.”

Not that it is completely sensible. Heh.

Every Philosophy sounds good. Practice is often difficult in the real world with real humans.

Again, if you have the time and the money to be above it all, then any philosophy may work for you.

True that. Me, I personally think life is too complicated for rigid ideology. Yes I’m liberal more than not but you gotta decide what works in an individual given circumstance which despite my dovish FP beliefs is why I feel the Trump Syria withdrawal was a mistake.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:38:55am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is so fucking needy

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It’ll be an even greater thing that will be happening when you’re out of office hopefully in handcuffs, Donnie.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:40:36am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:41:23am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because the wall makes his supporters feel better because they’re a bunch of babieS?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:44:25am
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Belafon  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:45:04am

re: #338 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Trump is talking about closing valid checkpoints, like those where commerce goes through. He’s trying to get businesses to threaten Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:45:40am
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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:46:46am

He is showing again how profoundly unqualified he was.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:50:03am

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lawhawk  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:53:48am

If Trump’s goal is to sabotage functioning government, he’s succeeding.
If his goal is to sabotage the economy, he’s succeeding.
If his goal is to undermine civil and voting rights, he’s succeeding.

This is what Trump and the GOP were doing. The wall is the the value signaling to his bigoted base, all while Trump is sabotaging functioning government and spewing nonsense.

The GOP aren’t interested in governing or legislating. They’re out to sabotage government and gut funding so they can redistribute the money to their billionaire benefactors. Russia has coopted them to further their goals. The GOP didn’t need convincing or payoffs either - they did it because they simply shared what they thought was a common goal.

Russia’s goal is to sufficiently weaken the US so Russia can do as it pleases around the world. China benefits tangentially as do all our other rivals and enemies.

Trump’s sheer dumbfuckery and incompetence only add to Russia’s luck in all this. They couldn’t have picked a better tool to undermine the American political system.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:55:56am

re: #345 lawhawk

Russia’s goal is to sufficiently weaken the US so Russia can do as it pleases around the world. China benefits tangentially as do all our other rivals and enemies.

Nor can we blame them or take them to task for what they have done. They spotted a weakness and exploited it. It is not illegal to try to influence foreign elections, only to collude with foreigners in order to do so in your own country.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Dec 28, 2018 • 8:59:05am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yeah. That, I think is the most enraging part. “We” did this to ourselves, they just poked us a bit in their preferred direction.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:01:26am

re: #346 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nor can we blame them or take them to task for what they have done. They spotted a weakness and exploited it. It is not illegal to try to influence foreign elections, only to collude with foreigners in order to do so in your own country.

Worse: We could do the same to Russia if we chose. A tit-for-tat response.

It would appear that the GOP is now allied with Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:03:09am

re: #347 Sufficient unto the day…

Yeah. That, I think is the most enraging part. “We” did this to ourselves, they just poked us a bit in their preferred direction.

For me the maddening part is some of us continue to do it by attacking people like Beto, Booker, Harris, and others.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:03:23am

re: #348 Anymouse 🌹

Worse: We could do the same to Russia if we chose. A tit-for-tat response.

It would appear that the GOP is now allied with Russia.

TBH I would love to see Vlad actually have to sweat shit for once.

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b_sharp  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:11:53am

re: #345 lawhawk

If Trump’s goal is to sabotage functioning government, he’s succeeding.
If his goal is to sabotage the economy, he’s succeeding.
If his goal is to undermine civil and voting rights, he’s succeeding.

This is what Trump and the GOP were doing. The wall is the the value signaling to his bigoted base, all while Trump is sabotaging functioning government and spewing nonsense.

The GOP aren’t interested in governing or legislating. They’re out to sabotage government and gut funding so they can redistribute the money to their billionaire benefactors. Russia has coopted them to further their goals. The GOP didn’t need convincing or payoffs either - they did it because they simply shared what they thought was a common goal.

Russia’s goal is to sufficiently weaken the US so Russia can do as it pleases around the world. China benefits tangentially as do all our other rivals and enemies.

Trump’s sheer dumbfuckery and incompetence only add to Russia’s luck in all this. They couldn’t have picked a better tool to undermine the American political system.

Trump’s desire to sabotage the current government system was obvious in the beginning from the people he appointed to specific lead positions. I suspect he’s an unintentional, if not full blown intentional, acolyte of Randian economics & may even share Bannon’s faith in and intentional initialization of the Fourth Turning philosophy.

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Jay C  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:13:57am

I wonder how Trump’s doubling down on threats if he doesn’t get his Wall funding is going to play in Congress? I can easily imagine the House simply passing the “old” CR (sans Wall funding) - the Senate is going to be the problem. Yeah, they passed it last session, but it’s going to be another world after January 3 - Mitch McConnell is going to be the key player (unfortunately for the country, IMO, but there we are). Even more unfortunately, his main choice is going to be between the governance of the nation, and pissing off Trump supporters. Or the “President”, but I’m not sure how much Sen. Yertle really cares….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:14:12am

re: #351 b_sharp

Trump’s desire to sabotage the current government system was obvious in the beginning from the people he appointed to specific lead positions. I suspect he’s an unintentional, if not full blown intentional, acolyte of Randian economics & may even share Bannon’s faith in and intentional initialization of the Fourth Turning philosophy.

There is a lot of method behind the ostensible madness that he promotes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:14:55am
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:18:19am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Doesn’t matter if it’s capitalism, socialism, communism, etc. As I’ve observed, while the ideology itself is very different, libertarianism and Marxism aren’t too different in how the mind approaches them which is why I personally think why some former staunch Marxists easily go to the other extreme. If you’re viewing economics and or ideology as an absolute, you’re making a mistake. Economics and ideology are both social sciences after all.

Sam Seder of Majority Report has a standing challenge to call in to debate the principles of libertarianism. His show normally tears apart every thing they bring up.

I think I’ve seen so many of those that YouTube now gives me videos from the Libertarian Party in my suggestions when I watch a cat video.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:20:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:24:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:25:31am

Magic Dirt!

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Hecuba's daughter  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:26:54am

re: #351 b_sharp

Trump’s desire to sabotage the current government system was obvious in the beginning from the people he appointed to specific lead positions. I suspect he’s an unintentional, if not full blown intentional, acolyte of Randian economics & may even share Bannon’s faith in and intentional initialization of the Fourth Turning philosophy.

The people he appointed to the cabinet were all people who had the GOP stamp of approval. Except for some of his FP, his cabinet were stalwart Republicans implementing standard Republican policies.

GOP delenda est.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:27:17am

re: #186 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, my tiny moment of Twitter fame: this comment of mine has had 42 likes so far.

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72 likes now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:27:49am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

huffingtonpost.com

Essays by several conservatives such as Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Nebr.), Kevin Williamson, Chris Cillizza, Bari Weiss, and others complaining how they are being mistreated by liberals.

Oh, boo fucking hoo.

This from the party that locks illegal immigrants in cages and takes healthcare away from sick and poor people.

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:29:46am

A week later, the Faux crowd who confidently predicted that the DNC would bend to public pressure and at least allow the House CR a vote in the Senate to get the gov’t moving again are now basically begging the DNC to “negotiate” by putting something like DACA on the table so Trump can get his $5B.

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makeitstop  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:29:47am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:33:27am

re: #201 Dr Lizardo

Tell you what, old man.

Here’s the deal - you want your five billion? Fine. But there’s no such thing as a free lunch, you know.

So…..immediate citizenship for all the Dreamers.

Amnesty for all undocumented aliens currently residing in the United States (barring felony or serious crime convictions, of course).

Whaddaya say, Trump? Deal? Because that’s the only deal I’m gonna give you.

The GOP won’t agree to it because they know that the Wall is worthless (shameless promotion of my new page).

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b_sharp  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:38:24am

re: #359 Hecuba’s daughter

The people he appointed to the cabinet were all people who had the GOP stamp of approval. Except for some of his FP, his cabinet were stalwart Republicans implementing standard Republican policies.

GOP delenda est.

Right. Placing a woman who thinks public education should be destroyed as head of education & a man who thinks the EPA needs to be drastically reduced and climate change ignored as head of the EPA is just GOP as usual.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:40:45am

re: #212 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

If he closes the border, then shippers will not be able to make just-in-time deliveries to businesses in the USA needing those items. Americans living in Mexico will not be able to drive across the border, a convenience many appreciate. Long story short, Trump would be shooting the USA in the foot by closing the border.

Maybe that’s his plan.

Its just another Trump bluff. He’s terrible at negotiating; the Democrats should just ignore this nonsense, but they are thinking “go ahead, make my day.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:47:25am

re: #244 Patricia Kayden

Pelosi can just pass the bill that was already passed in the Senate under McConnell because that bill contained no funding for the border wall.

I think that expires because a new Congress is entering office.

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:49:25am

re: #364 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP won’t agree to it because they know that the Wall is worthless (shameless promotion of my new page).

And that’s the long and short of it: The DNC offered Trump $25B earlier this year in exchange for citizenship for Dreamers. And the GOP hardliners killed the offer dead within 24hrs. Suggesting now that the DNC put forward an offer of Dreamer citizenship or renewal of the DACA in exchange for 1/5th of that previous offer would not only be rejected, it would be self-defeating because the GOP would see it as a sign that the DNC are buckling under pressure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 9:57:03am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

Magic Dirt!

Druid Dirt!

The full study is found here:
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The bacteria found seems to be able to kill off nasties such as MRSA and others listed by WHO as of particular importance to study because they are becoming resistant to last-line-of-defence drugs such as vancomycin.

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Dr Lizardo  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:01:10am

Oh no.

bbc.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:01:37am

re: #367 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think that expires because a new Congress is entering office.

She can re-file it. After it passes the new Democratic House, it goes over to Mitch McConnell, where he gets to explain why they won’t take it now when they just passed it a bit over two weeks ago (as in, it’s not really about the wall funding, it’s about obstruction).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:04:32am

re: #370 Dr Lizardo

Oh no.

bbc.com

The Giza Pyramids are right at the edge of Cairo (I had the opportunity to visit when I was in the Navy). An attack on Egypt’s most famous monument at the edge of the capital doesn’t speak well to the security situation in the county, to say nothing of those injured or killed.

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:05:06am

re: #358 Backwoods_Sleuth

Magic Dirt!

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That is a very important and timely discovery.

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b_sharp  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:05:51am

re: #373 ObserverArt

That is a very important and timely discovery.

Aliens. They’re leading us to new discoveries.

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b_sharp  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:08:09am

Don’t you wish you had your own pet flat earther to argue with?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:09:10am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:09:18am

re: #342 Backwoods_Sleuth

2) What does trade have to do with migrants crossing the border?

You have to realize, in Trump’s simpleminded worldview, “Mexico” is a monolithic entity, comprised of the government, people, businesses, etc. of Mexico, that all act as a single unit. This is why he sees illegal immigration as “Mexico” sending people, and why he sees the trade deficit as “Mexico” taking our money, and why he thinks reducing the trade deficit is taking money back from “Mexico”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:09:18am

re: #375 b_sharp

Don’t you wish you had your own pet flat earther to argue with?

Start a YouTube channel. They will swarm you even faster than libertarians swarming socialists.

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Teukka  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:15:41am

In Stockholm local news, the Kaknäs Tower has been closed to the public until further notice. Initially, it was said that it was because it would cost the operator Teracom too much money to get the place up to code. However, State TV today revealed that it was because there is an increased security threat against the tower, and the answer of the Teracom rep they interviewed suggests that it was foreign operatives have made attempts at compromising the tower more than terrorism that motivated the closure of the tower to the public, which they described as a very difficult decision to make.
This means that both the Kaknäs Tower and the Hammarby Tower are protected objects closed off to the public (the latter has always been a protected object since it was built in 1986).
So. One of these signs with “Länsstyrelsen Stockholm” instead of “Försvarsmakten” at the bottom will be at the sites…

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:15:52am

re: #376 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah I saw this making the rounds. Knew it was more than what was being told. NRO again shows why it needs to die a painful death.

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Dave In Austin  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:17:01am

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

You have to realize, in Trump’s simpleminded worldview, “Mexico” is a monolithic entity, comprised of the government, people, businesses, etc. of Mexico, that all act as a single unit. This is why he sees illegal immigration as “Mexico” sending people, and why he sees the trade deficit as “Mexico” taking our money, and why he thinks reducing the trade deficit is taking money back from “Mexico”.

In other words, “Brown Skin”.

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:21:58am

re: #377 Blind Frog Belly White

You have to realize, in Trump’s simpleminded worldview, “Mexico” is a monolithic entity, comprised of the government, people, businesses, etc. of Mexico, that all act as a single unit. This is why he sees illegal immigration as “Mexico” sending people, and why he sees the trade deficit as “Mexico” taking our money, and why he thinks reducing the trade deficit is taking money back from “Mexico”.

Trump is loved by the base because they understand he thinks like they do, it isn’t just politics, he is as simpleminded about it all as they are.

They really have found an ally in Trump.

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Teukka  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:23:42am

re: #379 Teukka

SVT (Swedish State TV) on the closure:
svt.se

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:24:09am

re: #382 ObserverArt

Trump is loved by the base because they understand he thinks like they do, it isn’t just politics, he is as simpleminded about it all as they are.

They really have found an ally in Trump.

It’s something they haven’t found in a GOP standard bearer in years. As I’ve said Trump has a lower ceiling than most elected officials but a higher floor since he inspires absolute loyalty in those who support him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:28:23am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s something they haven’t found in a GOP standard bearer in years. As I’ve said Trump has a lower ceiling than most elected officials but a higher floor since he inspires absolute loyalty in those who support him.

Ditto for “The Saudis”, not understanding that we are taking sides in a power struggle in supporting MBS: a power struggle that may not play out in our favor.

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terraincognita  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:36:12am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s something they haven’t found in a GOP standard bearer in years. As I’ve said Trump has a lower ceiling than most elected officials but a higher floor since he inspires absolute loyalty in those who support him.

The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. (H. L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926)

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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:37:19am

re: #386 terraincognita

The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots. (H. L. Mencken, Notes on Democracy, 1926)

I’m not entirely sure Trump knows that the doctrines he preaches are untrue. He may well be a true believer and/or that much of an idiot.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:40:23am

re: #387 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump knows that the doctrines he preaches are untrue. He may well be a true believer and/or that much of an idiot.

Indeed.

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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:42:24am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

It’s something they haven’t found in a GOP standard bearer in years. As I’ve said Trump has a lower ceiling than most elected officials but a higher floor since he inspires absolute loyalty in those who support him.

Hard to say. Goldwater was definitely a dyed in the wool conservative, and the intellectual conservative movement grew from the ashes of his 1964 campaign. But the Conservative Movement (tm) isn’t really the GOP base, at least not as the GOP is constructed today. The GOP today is a grievance-based populist cult of personality. They deserve Trump, unfortunately, the rest of us don’t.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:42:37am

Gaak. My cold water pipes are frozen in the kitchen. Catch ya later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:43:11am

re: #387 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump knows that the doctrines he preaches are untrue. He may well be a true believer and/or that much of an idiot.

He is clueless and acts in his perceived short-term interest. Lots of people try to exploit that and use him to exploit their own agenda but are finding out what a loose cannon he truly is.

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darthstar  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:43:27am

re: #335 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is so fucking needy

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:44:02am

re: #389 KGxvi

Hard to say. Goldwater was definitely a dyed in the wool conservative, and the intellectual conservative movement grew from the ashes of his 1964 campaign. But the Conservative Movement (tm) isn’t really the GOP base, at least not as the GOP is constructed today. The GOP today is a grievance-based populist cult of personality. They deserve Trump, unfortunately, the rest of us don’t.

Right that was 54 years ago. And yeah the base is different.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:45:32am

Trump and his followers are George Carlin’s adage about think about how dumb the average person is and imagine half are even dumber. Yeah he’s dumb and unintelligent but he’s not unique.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:47:40am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

Trump and his followers are George Carlin’s adage about think about how dumb the average person is and imagine half are even dumber. Yeah he’s dumb and unintelligent but he’s not unique.

He is great at manipulating the media, do not misunderestimate him on that account.

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darthstar  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:48:57am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is great at manipulating the media, do not misunderestimate him on that account.

Misunderestimate - one of the worst words to come from the Bush years.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:49:13am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is great at manipulating the media, do not misunderestimate him on that account.

I am not but I think he’s gotten worse at doing that.

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darthstar  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:49:25am
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goddamnedfrank  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:49:27am

re: #387 KGxvi

I’m not entirely sure Trump knows that the doctrines he preaches are untrue. He may well be a true believer and/or that much of an idiot.

He’s a true believer in that he believes whatever narcissism and expediency demands in the moment. Another way to think of it is that he believes he’s a God, someone so important and powerful that he can shape reality with his own thoughts. From his point of view everyone who told him he needed to modulate his speech / tweets, his xenophobia, religious intolerance and misogyny was proven wrong once and for all when he won the Presidency. He sees himself as someone who creates their own weather patterns and therefore nobody else matters except inasmuch as they worship him, can be used or destroyed by him. The only obvious exception to this rule is Putin, who clearly terrifies him and possesses real, devastating kompromat.

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darthstar  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:50:02am
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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:52:40am

re: #393 HappyWarrior

Right that was 54 years ago. And yeah the base is different.

Reagan in 1980 might be the closest, but even in that case, most of Anderson’s 6% probably came from liberal/moderate Republicans.

And while I believe Trump’s ceiling might be the lowest of any American president since we’ve had polling, I think his floor may prove to be as low or lower than most.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:54:05am

re: #401 KGxvi

Reagan in 1980 might be the closest, but even in that case, most of Anderson’s 6% probably came from liberal/moderate Republicans.

And while I believe Trump’s ceiling might be the lowest of any American president since we’ve had polling, I think his floor may prove to be as low or lower than most.

I hope so. I have seen some cracks in his armor recently.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:54:58am

I’m back. What fresh hell did I miss?

The 300W light in my cyclone cellar which keeps my kitchen pipes warm was burned out. I replaced it; the cold water pipe should thaw in a couple hours.

We’ll see what happens. When we were in California and our pipes froze, it split the hot water pipes. The plumber replaced them (both hot and cold, formerly copper) with some newer material (not PVC) which allegedly distributes heat better, so if the pipes freeze the water won’t split the pipe as easily.

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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:55:15am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

I am not but I think he’s gotten worse at doing that.

Manipulating the New York tabloids or the Hollywood entertainment press is whole different levels than the national/international press that a sitting president must deal with. It’s going from a High Single-A baseball league to the majors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:57:13am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

I am not but I think he’s gotten worse at doing that.

media are also starting to run out of uses for him, detecting that his entertainment value is diminishing

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Skip Intro  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:58:25am

re: #405 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

media are also starting to run out of uses for him, detecting that his entertainment value is diminishing

That will never happen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 10:58:36am

re: #404 KGxvi

Manipulating the New York tabloids or the Hollywood entertainment press is whole different levels than the national/international press that a sitting president must deal with. It’s going from a High Single-A baseball league to the majors.

He had CNN wrapped about his little finger and Fox cheering for him wholeheartedly. Now even Fox is starting to wax critical in places.

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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:00:11am

re: #407 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He had CNN in his pocket and Fox cheering for him wholeheartedly.

To continue the baseball analogy, CNN is basically a replacement level media operation. And Fox is more of a fan site than actual media.

But still, fair points.

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makeitstop  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:00:25am

re: #404 KGxvi

Manipulating the New York tabloids or the Hollywood entertainment press is whole different levels than the national/international press that a sitting president must deal with. It’s going from a High Single-A baseball league to the majors.

That will be his ultimate downfall. He came into office thinking that covering up his crimes would be as easy as paying off a housing inspector (or a DA, in the case of Junior and Vanky’s disappearing indictments).

It ain’t.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:06:36am

re: #409 makeitstop

That will be his ultimate downfall. He came into office thinking that covering up his crimes would be as easy as paying off a housing inspector (or a DA, in the case of Junior and Vanky’s disappearing indictments).

It ain’t.

It has worked so far, but it required a GOP majority in both houses to ensure it…and his personal record did a lot to ensuring that the GOP lost its House majority

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makeitstop  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:11:47am

re: #410 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has worked so far, but it required a GOP majority in both houses to ensure it…and his personal record did a lot to ensuring that the GOP lost its House majority

And the Law of Diminishing Returns is kicking in, too - a lot of shit he got away with early in his term is not working any more. The fearmongering only works on his hard core, and people are asking more questions now than they ever did. And more and more of what they dismissed as being ‘fake news’ is being revealed as the truth, verified by more and more stories with very reliable sourcing.

He was hoping he could wear down the Resistance, but if anything it’s gotten stronger.

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KGxvi  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:14:44am

I swear, between him and Rubio, pendejo is just not a strong enough word, which is why I’ve started using comemiedra for both of them.

Let’s ignore the fact that it’s still completely illegal to buy or sell weed in Texas. Or as the SF Chronicle points out, the invisible hand of the market has something to do with it:

When all the charges are added up, including cultivation taxes, they amount to about 40 percent of the cost of the goods, merchants say. Meanwhile, the wholesale price for marijuana has dropped over the past year, from around $2,000 a pound to about $500, further reducing profits.

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:15:56am

re: #411 makeitstop

And the Law of Diminishing Returns is kicking in, too - a lot of shit he got away with early in his term is not working any more. The fearmongering only works on his hard core, and people are asking more questions now than they ever did. And more and more of what they dismissed as being ‘fake news’ is being revealed as the truth, verified by more and more stories with very reliable sourcing.

He was hoping he could wear down the Resistance, but if anything it’s gotten stronger.

I’d argue that he is slowly wearing down the Resistance itself, but the problem for him is that the process of doing so is pissing off the fence-sitters who once argued things like “Yeah, I hate that kids are in cages, but my retirement portfolio has never looked better!” The latter group is only going to grow as we move into a period of either stagflation or outright recession.

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Odie Hugh Manatee  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:17:12am

re: #250 Odie Hugh Manatee

As a long time consumer of Metamucil (the orange kind) I just wanted to note my first down-ding here.

Too much Meta?

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Jay C  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:18:15am

re: #409 makeitstop

That will be his ultimate downfall. He came into office thinking that covering up his crimes would be as easy as paying off a housing inspector (or a DA, in the case of Junior and Vanky’s disappearing indictments).

It ain’t.

In large part, I imagine, because Donald Trump probably (sincerely, fwiw) doesn’t see his crimes as “crimes” per se - just “sharp business practices” - cavils about the strict legality of which can easily be dismissed as the jealous carping of “losers and haters”; i.e. anyone not Donald Trump or one of his adulatory supporters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:19:12am

re: #381 Dave In Austin

In other words, “Brown Skin”.

Well, there’s that. But really, the point is that he sees other countries as units. They act as a single unit, whether it’s the government, or corporations, or individuals. Thus “Germany” is bad because there are so many “German Cars” sold in America, even if many or most are built in America by Americans, and even if those companies build more cars in America than they sell here.

It’s a strange, childish way of seeing things as monolithic blocs instead of as individual subsets. It makes sense, if you’re really stupid.

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:20:22am

re: #415 Jay C

In large part, I imagine, because Donald Trump probably (sincerely, fwiw) doesn’t see his crimes as “crimes” per se - just “sharp business practices” - cavils about the strict legality of which can easily be dismissed as the jealous carping of “losers and haters”; i.e. anyone not Donald Trump or one of his adulatory supporters.

Donny believes in the Nixon Principle: “When the president does it, it’s not a crime.”

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Charles Johnson  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:20:59am
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gocart mozart  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:21:36am

Silvio Dante may be Michael Cohen’s alibi

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Jay C  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:22:24am

re: #417 Targetpractice

Donny believes in the Nixon Principle: “When the president does it, it’s not a crime.”

But to be fair, he probably believed that the Nixon Principle applied to him even before he was elected….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:23:22am

re: #420 Jay C

But to be fair, he probably believed that the Nixon Principle applied to him even before he was elected….

He never had to face any unpleasant personal consequences for his words or actions and it is much too late for him to change that behavior.

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:24:06am

re: #418 Charles Johnson

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The media believed too readily in the idea that nutters like Jones were “safe” because “nobody takes them seriously.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:25:27am

re: #422 Targetpractice

The media believed too readily in the idea that nutters like Jones were “safe” because “nobody takes them seriously.”

His defense is based on him declaring himself a “performance artist”.

Which he is by all rights…

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Targetpractice  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:29:16am

re: #421 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He never had to face any unpleasant personal consequences for his words or actions and it is much too late for him to change that behavior.

He’s always had his money, whether to pay “fixers” to make his problems go away, lawyers to scare the fuck out of people threatening to file suits, or just outright buying off officials in the way that Cohn taught him. It’s what pisses him off so greatly, that he felt being elected meant the federal law enforcement agencies now worked for him and is finding out that isn’t so. In his mind, that’s how it’s always worked, because Bill and Barack never went to prison and they obviously committed all sorts of “crimes.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:30:05am

re: #413 Targetpractice

I’d argue that he is slowly wearing down the Resistance itself, but the problem for him is that the process of doing so is pissing off the fence-sitters who once argued things like “Yeah, I hate that kids are in cages, but my retirement portfolio has never looked better!” The latter group is only going to grow as we move into a period of either stagflation or outright recession.

I see no signs of down-wearing in my little corner of the Resistance.

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makeitstop  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:33:46am

re: #425 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I see no signs of down-wearing in my little corner of the Resistance.

Same here. If anything, I’m seeing more instances of buyer’s remorse.

Of course, there’s also a lot of insane justification for his corruption - but that’s coming from people who I wrote off a long time ago.

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:40:13am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He is so stupid that I can’t believe that he is able to fully function as a 70 + year old man. His behavior is outrageous.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:41:10am

re: #426 makeitstop

Same here. If anything, I’m seeing more instances of buyer’s remorse.

Of course, there’s also a lot of insane justification for his corruption - but that’s coming from people who I wrote off a long time ago.

I’ve seen it too. I just don’t see him gaining enough votes and we are overdue for a one term President. Four in a row hasn’t happened.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:41:42am

re: #427 Patricia Kayden

He is so stupid that I can’t believe that he is able to fully function as a 70 + year old man. His behavior is outrageous.

Right he doesn’t even act like an adult.

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Mike Lamb  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:44:38am

re: #412 KGxvi

I swear, between him and Rubio, pendejo is just not a strong enough word, which is why I’ve started using comemiedra for both of them.

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Let’s ignore the fact that it’s still completely illegal to buy or sell weed in Texas. Or as the SF Chronicle points out, the invisible hand of the market has something to do with it:

It is affront to liberty if you are not at constant risk of a fertilizer factory exploding…

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Patricia Kayden  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:47:25am

This sounds ominous.

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Alephnaught  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:48:39am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Right he doesn’t even act like an adult.

I get the feeling he’s never really been required to be an adult- in that: he’s been in such a privileged position that he’s never had to face the responsibilities that the rest of us face, the experiences of which shape us as an adult.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:48:40am

re: #298 Anymouse 🌹

Amazingly pathetic that people who hold Deplorable views cry and whine about being treated like deplorables. But par for the course with the toddler-like ideology of the modern Conservative mindset.

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:52:42am
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Mattand  Dec 28, 2018 • 11:53:25am

re: #427 Patricia Kayden

He is so stupid that I can’t believe that he is able to fully function as a 70 + year old man. His behavior is outrageous.

I can. I’m currently trapped in SC with a 78 year old woman who rivals Trump for pure ego and narcissism. Extra fun is that she has been verbally abusing her husband for 50 years, which has only increased since he was diagnosed with memory issues.

She will literally have him do five things at once; confuse him; and then scream at him for being an idiot.

(I’m doing what I can, but apparently the running narrative is “Keep the abuser happy at all costs.”)

People like my mother-in-law and Trump somehow manage to thrive, despite being ambulatory malignant tumors.

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HappyWarrior  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:04:36pm

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

This sounds ominous.

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And you repeatedly defended Trump, Lindsay. You helped deliver Kavanaugh. You own this.

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ObserverArt  Dec 28, 2018 • 12:10:01pm

re: #406 Skip Intro

That will never happen.

I have learned too many times to never say never. Especially with Trump.

Right now you are correct, it doesn’t appear the media are going to back off covering him.

But the media is driven by dollars and if Trump turns enough people off and it becomes bad for their bottom line they will lessen the coverage.

I think he will go down in flames before that would happen, so we are probably stuck with the media as they are. Covering the flame out will of course be full time Trump TV.


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