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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:14:23pm

To another year of Robert Mueller making the Trumpers squirm.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:15:24pm
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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:22:04pm

Please let this be a better year. We’ve been in a rather ugly spiral.

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:24:06pm

Even with the rain I am still hearing fireworks going off. At least I hope that is what I am hearing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:24:21pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:27:12pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m watching!

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:32:49pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Warms the depths of my cold, black heart.

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MsJ  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:35:55pm

From downstairs.

re: #395 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

What kind of dog? Discovered that dogs really help my daughter and so I need to get her a dog. Just got the go ahead from the landlord. I’ve always had big dogs, but being in a rental and with two kids and then a dog to fit into a car to travel, we need a small dog. So, I’m looking for a hypoallergenic dog that is great with kids and not aggressive. Any suggestions anyone has on that would be great! I’m thinking of a miniature poodle or miniature poodle mix.

Dog “breeds” to consider:
Bichon Frise. Havanese/Havipoo. Maltipoo. Cavichon/Cavipoo.

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teleskiguy  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:36:00pm

I skied to Gnarly Knob four times today. So. Fucking. Fun. Steep ‘n’ deep!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:36:28pm

Mark Meadows can just take a seat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:39:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:40:11pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mark Meadows can just take a seat

You’re lecturing about compromise. GFY Freedumb Caucus fuck.

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retired cynic  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:40:49pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see the Wall is now a “barrier”. It’s not even capitalized!

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ObserverArt  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:41:57pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

To another year of Robert Mueller making the Trumpers squirm.

Everyone seems to be saying he may have his report ready to roll in February.

Let’s hope that makes for a good New Year.

And I’m out, have a Good & Happy New Year Lizards.

This place is the best on the ‘net.

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:43:08pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

Happy New Year!

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:45:48pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mark Meadows can just take a seat

“Compromise,” that word that a Republican uses when they really mean “giving into our demands.”

Rep. Meadows seems to think he’s got anything to offer to this discussion aside from hot air.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:49:43pm
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teleskiguy  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:50:17pm

Live music.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:50:22pm

A grandfather 40 years from now: “Gather round kids and let me tell you about the wall that nearly destroyed America…”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:50:37pm

OK, Anderson Cooper & Andy Cohen are no Anderson Cooper & Kathy Griffin

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:51:23pm

Rudy, a moron’s moron:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:54:26pm
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William Lewis  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:54:33pm

CLd

Teukka, re 447: I grew up ( and still now live) downwind from the Dakota silo fields. Massive fallout guaranteed.

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MsJ  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:56:54pm

Happy New Year!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 8:58:24pm

The boxer is hiding behind me, wedged into a corner. The beagle is trying to sleep on the couch.

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MsJ  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:00:41pm

Happy 2019 East coast folks!

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PhillyPretzel  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:00:55pm

Happy New Year to my fellow Lizards. And I hear fireworks. At least I hope they are fireworks.

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:01:52pm

re: #27 PhillyPretzel

Sometimes they aren’t fireworks in our neighborhood.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:02:11pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:02:26pm

re: #4 PhillyPretzel

Even with the rain I am still hearing fireworks going off. At least I hope that is what I am hearing.

Fireworks, guns and M80s have been going off here in Koreatown since right past 5PM. And already heard sirens twice so we got some Darwin Award winners…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:02:35pm

Happy New Year, east coasters! Btw, Brian May is at NASA in Maryland to premier his new song for the New Horizons missions.

nasa.gov

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:02:43pm

Happy New Year eastern time zone!

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:03:12pm

Happy New York, my fellow lizards. Wow, what’s that bright lig…

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Romantic Heretic  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:05:14pm

Just turned midnight here in Toronto.

Happy New Year to all the lizards!! May the coming year be less of a shitshow than this one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:06:28pm

And, just like that, Mattis is out of a job

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Eventual Carrion  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:08:38pm

re: #28 plansbandc

Sometimes they aren’t fireworks in our neighborhood.

Yeah, I just heard a shotgun blast. But this is NW PA farmland.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:09:25pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rudy, a moron’s moron:

That guy really doesn’t strike me as a L33T H4XOR

Happy New Year to the East Coast. About two more hours to go here at Chez Tumbleweed.

Seems like a good time to go off to bed and wake up next year.

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Jay C  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:11:09pm

So since the ball has dropped in Times Square, it’s all completely official now, so Happy 2019 to all good Lizards - OK, and the bad ones, too….;)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:13:11pm
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Patricia Kayden  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:14:04pm

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

That’s a polite comment in response to Meadows’ stupid tweet which deserves scorn and derision. Pelosi should rescind the $1.3 billion for border security. Don’t give them an inch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:15:15pm

A fusillade of fireworks just erupted over downtown Jacksonville., 10 minutes late

I hope that isn’t a metaphor on the upcoming 2019…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:15:27pm

re: #17 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dr May is going for the Isaac Newton look.

Brian May? Or Isaac Newton? Only his hairdresser knows for sure!
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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:17:48pm

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

That’s a polite comment in response to Meadows’ stupid tweet which deserves scorn and derision. Pelosi should rescind the $1.3 billion for border security. Don’t give them an inch.

“Sorry folks, you had your chance. That offer expired at the end of the last Congress.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:18:22pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Bit o’ trivia about Newton: While it was the fashion then for men to wear powdered wigs, Newton never did, preferring his own flowing locks over fake hair. Not sure how he kept it clean, though, since shampooing hair was not quite in fashion back in those days.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:18:41pm

OK, who else realizes it’s been 2019 in the USA for over an hour now?

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William Lewis  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:19:06pm

So home now. Punched out at 11:00 CST after 2 hours of overtime at the hotel. Fun night overall. Found a package on the stoop with my new set of star gazing binos (Bushnell 7x35, cheap enough for my $50 bonus) waiting for me. I remember that something like these when I was about 12 would have been several hundred in 1975 dollars. Now I just need a nice clear night with Orion climbing up into the sky…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:20:40pm

re: #45 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK, who else realizes it’s been 2019 in the USA for over an hour now?

Pfaw! You’re behind the curve. It’s been 2019 for 13 hours here already.

I’m marveling that a former rock star is on the TV as part of the science team behind a interplanetary space probe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:21:45pm

re: #47 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Pfaw! You’re behind the curve. It’s been 2019 for 13 hours here already.

I’m marveling that a former rock star is on the TV as part of the science team behind a interplanetary space probe.

It has not. There’s over an hour and a half to go.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:22:30pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

It has not. There’s over an hour and a half to go.

It’s all relative, man.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:22:33pm

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

It has not. There’s over an hour and a half to go.

Time is relative

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:23:38pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s all relative, man.

Don’t bring family into this…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:23:53pm

re: #49 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A relative to you two maybe. I’m not related to it at all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:24:46pm

I can’t wait to see what data New Horizons sends back from Ultima Thule.

Now I wonder where it will go next!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:25:13pm

I’m in the central time zone. 2018 still sucks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:26:24pm

re: #54 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m in the central time zone. 2018 still sucks.

Sorry to tell you, 2019 isn’t a picnic over here either

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TedStriker  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:27:32pm

re: #52 Anymouse 🌹

A relative to you two maybe. I’m not related to it at all.

Poor relation, perhaps.

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teleskiguy  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:27:50pm

2019 is going to be shit-tastic!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:29:13pm
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De Kolta Chair  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:29:41pm

Happy new year lizardi, and please don’t ya tell Henry

Don’t Ya Tell Henry (Live At The Academy Of Music / 1971 / Soundboard Mix)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:30:40pm
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jaunte  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:31:11pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

2019 is going to be shit-tastic!

WALL
WHEEL
YEAR

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:33:06pm

Damn, that half a bottle of California champagne hits ya fast…

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:33:31pm

re: #8 MsJ

From downstairs.

Dog “breeds” to consider:
Bichon Frise. Havanese/Havipoo. Maltipoo. Cavichon/Cavipoo.

Thanks so much! I got CL’d downstairs.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:34:19pm

re: #10 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Mark Meadows can just take a seat

Sit down, sir!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:34:33pm

Closest approach has come and gone. Now we gotta wait at least 6 hours to see New Horizon’s photos of Ultima Thule.

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teleskiguy  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:36:16pm

re: #61 jaunte

WALL
WHEEL
YEAR

walls

Giphy

and wheelies

Giphy

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Sea Mexican  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:37:08pm

Happy new year!! 🎊

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:39:16pm

re: #66 teleskiguy

all I know is that rear tire needs some damn air.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:39:54pm

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

That guy really doesn’t strike me as a L33T H4XOR

Happy New Year to the East Coast. About two more hours to go here at Chez Tumbleweed.

Seems like a good time to go off to bed and wake up next year.

Happy New Year! I don’t think I can wait for another two and a half hours until midnight.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:42:16pm

re: #47 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Pfaw! You’re behind the curve. It’s been 2019 for 13 hours here already.

I’m marveling that a former rock star is on the TV as part of the science team behind a interplanetary space probe.

Former? I was thinking of trying to get tickets for one of their shows in Phoenix or LA later this year.

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:42:27pm

re: #55 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still have over an hour of 2018 suckage here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:42:29pm

Well, where I live, if someone starts World War Last by Twitter, I have no chance of surviving it at all. Thanks, SAC.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:42:59pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:43:36pm

This was 2018 for the GOP

And 2019 will be even more burnt toast for RepubliKKKlans starting 2 days from now!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:45:37pm

My wife just said thanks to all the people here who offered to visit when we take our next trip to Canada and Massachusetts in May.

As a peace offering, she offered to make her favourite comfort food dish: She makes a homemade pizza with pineapples and canned clams. (I suspect that would be hated both here and at Wonkette.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:46:33pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

Pineapples and clams?? I am concerned…yet also intrigued.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:46:37pm

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:50:07pm

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

I wish to try clams on pizza. I like anchovies. Seriously. :D

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:52:12pm

Two hours of 2018 to go here. Happy New Year from the trailing edge to the leading edge (and everything between).

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:52:15pm

re: #78 plansbandc

I wish to try clams on pizza. I like anchovies. Seriously. :D

She likes anchovies as well. I think of them as either cat food or bait.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Dec 31, 2018 • 9:52:29pm

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MsJ  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:01:19pm

USA Today gets it.

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Targetpractice  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:02:27pm

re: #81 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Meanwhile, my generation’s retirement homes will start with Nirvana and end up at Linkin Park. Yegods.

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:05:02pm

Happy New Year, Lizards - from a sorta tipsy me and my lovely better half.

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:10:08pm

Happy 2019 from the DFW area. They are shooting fireworks up and down Reunion tower (I’m watching on tv). There are people on the inside as well, including a reporter, Nancy Leal, from Telemundo who was very excited.

Edited

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:12:08pm

It only took 20 or so years to find a real home on the internets. Good things come to those who wait, right? Happy New Year!
re: #85 Belafon

That was a cool fireworks show!

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:12:39pm

Happy New Year in Central Time. One hour to go.

Wonkette named their Legislative Badasses of the Year: Pramila Jayapal for the US House, and Kamala Harris for the US Senate. Runner up is Nancy Pelosi.

(I cross-pollinate between them and LGF because they are the two sites I support with cash money, though this year a Secret Santa kindly reupped me here this year. I hope to pay that forward in a couple months to another person here.)

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Belafon  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:14:26pm

OTOH, the people shooting fireworks in my neighborhood need to stop.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:20:59pm

The late great Roger Ebert on John Prine, in 1970:

Prine’s lyrics work with poetic economy to sketch a character in just a few words. In “Angel from Montgomery,” for example, he tells of a few minutes in the thoughts of a woman who is doing the housework and thinking of her husband: “How the hell can a person go to work in the morning, come back in the evening, and have nothing to say?”

Prine can be funny, too, and about half his songs are. He does one about getting up in the morning. A bowl of oatmeal tried to stare him down, and won. But “if you see me tonight with an illegal smile - It don’t cost very much, and it lasts a long while. - Won’t you please tell the Man I didn’t kill anyone - Just trying to have me some fun.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:22:43pm

I remember all the New Years day suppers at home where Mom cooked sauerkraut and pork. Seemed like it was a tradition in Western PA that eating these dishes would bring good luck for the New Year.

Now I just hit a deli every New Years…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:24:06pm

Happy new year people. May you have a good 2019. May the Mueller be with us all.

AND. Someone should get a dog. Truly believe this. Consider a rescue dog. Some agencies let you foster animals to see if its a good fit.

Love and Tequila.

Good night

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:26:37pm

re: #78 plansbandc

I wish to try clams on pizza. I like anchovies. Seriously. :D

I loved traveling the Pennsylvania turnpike as a kid because Howard Johnson’s was at all the rest stops and I could never get enough of their Tendersweet® Fried Clams.

I don’t think I can handle clams on a pizza. I could barely handle them in Manhattan Clam Chowder. Mom loved that soup and she’d gobble the whole pot.

Fried clams have to have a big dish of Cole slaw on the side.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:32:43pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

I loved traveling the Pennsylvania turnpike as a kid because Howard Johnson’s was at all the rest stops and I could never get enough of their Tendersweet(r) Fried Clams.

I don’t think I can handle clams on a pizza. I could barely handle them in Manhattan Clam Chowder. Mom loved that soup and she’d gobble the whole pot.

Fried clams have to have a big dish of Cole slaw on the side.

I did too when my parents would travel from Norfolk to Michigan.

There is one Howard Johnson’s restaurant left, but they’re having trouble:

Owner of America’s Last Howard Johnson’s Charged With Sexually Abusing Employees (Eaters, 2017)

The last one standing is in Lake George, New York, but when he started serving his jail sentence, he put in a different manager to keep the restaurant from closing. That manager put the restaurant on limited hours (breakfast and lunch only) and changed the menu from HoJo’s traditional menu, so it’s starting to slide.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:34:26pm

If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the stocks.

Elissa Curtis
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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:36:49pm

re: #91 I Would Prefer Not To

Happy new year people. May you have a good 2019. May the Mueller be with us all.

AND. Someone should get a dog. Truly believe this. Consider a rescue dog. Some agencies let you foster animals to see if its a good fit.

Love and Tequila.

Good night

Did you read my post on the other thread? Looking right now to get a dog!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:38:43pm

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

I did too when my parents would travel from Norfolk to Michigan.

There is one Howard Johnson’s restaurant left, but they’re having trouble:

Owner of America’s Last Howard Johnson’s Charged With Sexually Abusing Employees (Eaters, 2017)

The last one standing is in Lake George, New York, but when he started serving his jail sentence, he put in a different manager to keep the restaurant from closing. That manager put the restaurant on limited hours (breakfast and lunch only) and changed the menu from HoJo’s traditional menu, so it’s starting to slide.

HoJo goes the same way as White Castle…

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:45:02pm

re: #96 Joe Bacon 🌹

HoJo goes the same way as White Castle…

I only went to White Castle once, when I was stationed in Memphis centuries ago. Are they still in business?

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:47:44pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

I only went to White Castle once, when I was stationed in Memphis centuries ago. Are they still in business?

They’re still out here on LI. They expanded the brand by packaging ‘sliders’ for sale in supermarkets.

For the record, I personally never ate WC unless I was really drunk. They just taste better after about a dozen beers.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:50:11pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

I only went to White Castle once, when I was stationed in Memphis centuries ago. Are they still in business?

I remember late 50s, the dominant burger chain in Western PA was White Tower. Then McDonald’s started in 1961 undercutting White Tower with their “All American Meal for 47¢ (burger, fries & chocolate shake). White Tower collapsed and wound up with only a half dozen places still operating in the mid 70s when I was an undergrad at Pitt. By 1980 they were all gone…

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Kafitrar  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:51:12pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

I only went to White Castle once, when I was stationed in Memphis centuries ago. Are they still in business?

Yeah, according to Wikipedia there are more than 420 of them. But they are regional, mainly in the Midwest and NJ/NY area.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:51:30pm

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makeitstop  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:51:31pm

re: #99 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember late 50s, the dominant burger chain in Western PA was White Tower. Then McDonald’s started in 1961 undercutting White Tower with their “All American Meal for 47¢ (burger, fries & chocolate shake). White Tower collapsed and wound up with only a half dozen places still operating in the mid 70s when I was an undergrad at Pitt. By 1980 they were all gone…

Did you guys have Burger Chef out there? They were pretty good but folded when McDonald’s started popping up everywhere.

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De Kolta Chair  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:52:04pm

And the 2018 David Frye Award for best political impression of the year goes to … Kate McKinnon of course

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Eclectic Cyborg  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:53:05pm

re: #88 Belafon

OTOH, the people shooting fireworks in my neighborhood need to stop.

Yes, this. Kids down the street from me have been firing off ones that are as loud as a shotgun blast for the past 45 minutes or so.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:53:18pm

On stories women might want to read rather than what Romance houses seem to put out so much:

New Erotica for Feminists (McSweeney’s, second-most read article of the year there)

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:54:22pm

re: #102 makeitstop

Did you guys have Burger Chef out there? They were pretty good but folded when McDonald’s started popping up everywhere.

We had a Burger Chef in central Michigan when I was a teenager. They’re gone, but there’s a Tim Horton’s in that town now.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 10:54:24pm

re: #102 makeitstop

Did you guys have Burger Chef out there? They were pretty good but folded when McDonald’s started popping up everywhere.

Burger Chef popped up just after McDonald’s. There were three other chains that appeared at the same time, Red Barn (Mainly in Ohio) and Sandy’s (Scotch themed burger stand). Burger Chef went out of business in the 80s. Sandy’s merged with Hardees (And they merged with Carl’s Jr). Red Barn went out of business in the late 70s. And then there was WInky’s with the immortal, “No Winky’s in Wilmerding”. Winky’s folded when Michael Millken junk bonded them out of business.

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Anymouse 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:01:08pm

Happy New Year from Mountain Time Zone!


Celtic Woman - Auld Lang Syne

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Single-handed sailor  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:16:56pm
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Mattand  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:40:56pm

re: #102 makeitstop

Did you guys have Burger Chef out there? They were pretty good but folded when McDonald’s started popping up everywhere.

I remember Burger Chef when I was a kid in the 70s, in the Baltimore suburbs.

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:43:08pm

re: #92 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hojo’s clams. Yep. It was definitely a thing. : )

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Mattand  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:45:59pm

On another note: Happy New Year to the Lizardim. Thanks for putting up with me.

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:47:18pm

The Cover of the Rolling Stone is one of my go to jukebox songs.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:48:19pm

re: #110 Mattand

I remember Burger Chef when I was a kid in the 70s, in the Baltimore suburbs.

Did some digging on Google. Found out that Hardees bought out Burger Chef. Then Hardees was bought out by Carl’s Jr.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:49:38pm

Earplugs are in and they are trying to dull the noise from the idiots outside…

Good night all…10 minutes to go to midnight here in Los Angeles when the nuts will kick the noise up to 11…

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plansbandc  Dec 31, 2018 • 11:51:31pm

Wind is howling and it’s starting to snow. Allegedly the big snow isn’t starting until 4:00 AM. Oh joy.

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plansbandc  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:00:15am

Happy New Year west coast!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:50:12am

Waiting on Alaska and Hawai’i to weigh in on the New Year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:52:24am

Starting the New Year in an icebox.

Overnight
A 20 percent chance of snow before 3am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -4. Wind chill values between -10 and -15. North northwest wind 5 to 10 mph.
New Year’s Day
Mostly sunny, with a high near 20. Wind chill values between -5 and -15. West northwest wind around 5 mph becoming south in the afternoon.
Tuesday Night
Mostly clear, with a low around -2. Wind chill values between -5 and -15. South southwest wind around 5 mph becoming west after midnight.
Wednesday
Sunny, with a high near 38. Wind chill values between -10 and -20. West northwest wind 10 to 15 mph.

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:54:48am

re: #118 Anymouse 🌹

Waiting on Alaska and Hawai’i to weigh in on the New Year.

So far, big whoop. My wife who was gung ho to stay up, who told me to nap earlier, is fast asleep on the couch.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:55:37am

re: #120 BigPapa

So far, big whoop. My wife who was gung ho to stay up, who told me to nap earlier, is fast asleep on the couch.

Wake her up. I’m sure she’ll appreciate your concern she not miss out.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:58:45am

This and the mountain lion making noise outside my house means I’m staying inside tonight.

…WIND CHILL ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 8 AM MST TUESDAY…

* WHAT…Very cold wind chills expected. Wind chills as low as
35 below zero expected.

* WHERE…Southeast Wyoming and the Western Nebraska Panhandle.

* WHEN…Until 8 AM MST Tuesday.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS…The dangerously cold wind chills could
cause frostbite on exposed skin in as little as 10 minutes.

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freetoken  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:10:10am

Happy New Year to us all… and to the remaining time zone in 2018.

Let’s hope 2019 is a better year.

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freetoken  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:12:33am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:12:39am

Sheriff’s department suggestion on the mountain lion outside my house:

Stay inside.

Duh.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:15:20am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

Really cold here, too. Mid 40s!

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:19:39am

Someone has to be the wise ass. Oh, this new computer is amazing. I tortured the hell out of it with overclocking and stress benchmark testing, got every core to 100C for a half an hour, it’s a tank.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:26:33am

Dennis Prager: Saying Merry Christmas is a form of patriotism.

Hey you wingnut, go find your own theocracy to be a wingnut radio host in.

Dennis Prager: People Who Say “Happy Holidays” Are Unpatriotic Radicals 🎄

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:29:47am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Dennis Prager: Saying Merry Christmas is a form of patriotism.

Hey you wingnut, go find your own theocracy to be a wingnut radio host in.

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… and Happy Hanukkah is a form of treason!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:33:08am

re: #129 Single-handed sailor

… and Happy Hanukkah is a form of treason!

And Dennis Prager is Jewish.

As they note in the clip, due to the persecution that Jews have suffered from religious societies throughout history, he should be out front demanding a secular government.

As for Merry Christmas, Christmas is a holiday in many nations and is not exclusive to the USA. But you don’t say the magic words, you’re a dangerous radical.

No, Mr. Prager, you are a dangerous theocrat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:52:25am

And in the government, Utah Outcasts weighs in on Secretary of State Mike Pompeo holding forth that Muslims seek to slaughter all Christians, and atheists being enemies of the state.

(Caution for coarse language and disparagement of Christian theocrats, 12:33)

I’m going to bed. Happy New Year, y’all.

Having Mike Pompeo as Secretary of State is Terrifying

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 2:10:47am

I did it. Stayed awake to wake wifey and mom up, now they’re buzzing about.

My mom moved to HI and now lives 40 min away. Her little doggos are terrified. Kona is a war zone, people love their fireworks. It’s quiet where I live.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 1, 2019 • 2:44:11am

Morning Lizards. May you all have a Happy New Year.

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 5:15:49am

*watches tumbleweed roll past*

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A Mom Anon  Jan 1, 2019 • 5:22:53am

Hope all is well with everyone this first morning/day/evening of 2019. Wish I could be around more, life isn’t letting me right now. Hugs to all who need one and even if you don’t, I have one waiting here for you when you do. 💕

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 5:54:41am
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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 5:59:27am

re: #128 Anymouse 🌹

Dennis Prager: Saying Merry Christmas is a form of patriotism.

Hey you wingnut, go find your own theocracy to be a wingnut radio host in.

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Video

We’ve gone from WE CAN SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AGAIN! to YOU MUST SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS!! awfully fast.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:06:06am

JFC.

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:08:15am

re: #138 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

JFC.

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i refuse to believe that is real

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:10:25am

re: #139 bd(Redacted)

i refuse to believe that is real

It’s lucid prose, so maybe a flunkie wrote it for him.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:10:28am

re: #139 bd(Redacted)

Same here. Everything is in caps and that phrase “trump derangement syndrome.” Someone else has his phone.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:14:11am
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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:15:42am

deleted

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:17:39am

About a half hour to New Horizons signal acquisition time.

nasa.gov

Right now they’re showing earth from the ISS, and Hurricane Florence is one giant system!

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CleverToad  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:18:18am

Don’t know why I’m awake this early, will undoubtedly collapse for a long nap later. Fed the little old mother, waiting on the hubs to make the traditional Texas black-eyed pea breakfast, so I can’t eat till he drags up. (Coffee doesn’t count as ‘eating,’ right?) Then it’s back to the salt mines to finish the last twenty or so Christmas/holiday cards, on the long-standing theory that if you mail them before Twelfth Night, it counts.

Eyeing the New Year with an uneasy mix of dread and anticipation, hoping the House can slow some of the damage the rats of the listing Trumptanic will continue to inflict. What I want most for next Christmas is McConnell out of power, preferably well before Christmas.

Here’s to survival, and the best possible luck I can wish for the lizards in 2019

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:18:32am

re: #143 bd(Redacted)

deleted

deleted, too early in the year for that. sorry.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:21:06am

Happy Tuesday. I slept with the dead last night.

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jeffreyw  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:22:11am

Imgur


Good morning!

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:32:45am

Morning!

I see there was talk of the fast food burger stands overnight.

Yes, White Castles are still around. Being Columbus is hometown for them since the 30s, I can say we have about 16 of them around here.

And I still do not go there!

Also, Columbus is home base of Wendy’s. I do grab a Spicy Chicken a couple times a year.

I saw a reference to Sandy’s. My brother worked at one of those in my old hometown. I remember in the 60s we had McDonald’s, Sandy’s, Burger Chef and Burger King all in a city of 70,000 people. Ugh. I guess there were never enough cheap burgers and fries.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:37:42am

He’s got only one thing on his mind, it seems.

OK, maybe something else, like Mueller or Pelosi.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:42:25am

re: #150 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I forget who said it originally but thoughts about being hanged centered one thoughts perfectly. DT is in hot water and it is about to get even hotter for him especially with Mueller and Pelosi going after him.

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mmmirele  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:42:54am

This op-ed in the NYTimes is trending this morning. Basically, it discusses the penchant among the Christian Right to describe Donald Trump as the modern-day equivalent of Cyrus the Persian. We might think this is amusing, but they’re dead serious about it. And the reason we need to be serious about it is this:

I have attended dozens of Christian nationalist conferences and events over the past two years. And while I have heard plenty of comments casting doubt on the more questionable aspects of Mr. Trump’s character, the gist of the proceedings almost always comes down to the belief that he is a miracle sent straight from heaven to bring the nation back to the Lord. I have also learned that resistance to Mr. Trump is tantamount to resistance to God.

This isn’t the religious right we thought we knew. The Christian nationalist movement today is authoritarian, paranoid and patriarchal at its core. They aren’t fighting a culture war. They’re making a direct attack on democracy itself.

They want it all. And in Mr. Trump, they have found a man who does not merely serve their cause, but also satisfies their craving for a certain kind of political leadership.

(emphasis added)

nytimes.com

The paranoid style in American politics, but with extra religion. That’s all we need! //////

The op-ed is short and easily readable. Katherine Stewart is no friend of the Christian Right; she wrote a book on how the so-called “Good News Clubs” were infiltrating elementary schools.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:50:13am

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

I forget who said it originally but thoughts about being hanged centered one thoughts perfectly. DT is in hot water and it is about to get even hotter for him especially with Mueller and Pelosi going after him.

This week is going to be bad for him, because Pelosi and Schumer will show no mercy. Not sure if Trump has ever had such formidable opposition in his life. He won’t know what to do.

Then, there’s Mueller, the SDNY, and the NY AG investigations still ongoing.

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mmmirele  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:50:18am

A couple of follow up tweets on the whole Trump/Cyrus issue. I think the second tweet is important.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:52:07am

re: #154 mmmirele

A couple of follow up tweets on the whole Trump/Cyrus issue. I think the second tweet is important.

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I wonder if there were similar attitudes among RW Christians about Hitler.

Actually, I probably know the answer already.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:52:56am

re: #13 retired cynic

I see the Wall is now a “barrier”. It’s not even capitalized!

Cool. We’ve already got a river barrier there. Done.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:54:32am

Ah, I was off by a half-hour on the New Horizons coverage. The signal acquisition festivities are to begin at 10:15 EST.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:57:08am

re: #28 plansbandc

Sometimes they aren’t fireworks in our neighborhood.

Ditto

I’m surrounded by Florida man

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:58:23am

Is this a Trump thing?

I missed it somehow.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 6:59:44am

Happy New Year, everywhere.

Beach Bunny - Prom Queen (Official Video)

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:02:10am

re: #50 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Time is relative fleeting

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:04:18am

re: #161 dangerman

Madness takes its toll

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:05:41am

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

all I know is that rear tire needs some damn air.

its on purpose
makes a wider and mushier/springier contact patch
makes it much easier to drive slow on one wheel

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:12:50am

re: #98 makeitstop

They’re still out here on LI. They expanded the brand by packaging ‘sliders’ for sale in supermarkets.

For the record, I personally never ate WC unless I was really drunk.
They just taste better after about a dozen beers.

no one ate that stuff sober
at 2am on the way home, lynbrook was the stop
until jack in the box came along (what the hell did we know? we were young and foolish)

then again, only ever being in the castle after midnight, i have no idea what the day crowd looked like

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:15:00am

re: #137 bd(Redacted)

We’ve gone from WE CAN SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS AGAIN! to YOU MUST SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS!! awfully fast.

That was the plan all along. What a stupid take. Christmas isn’t an American holiday.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:15:21am

re: #95 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Did you read my post on the other thread? Looking right now to get a dog!

Yes. That was the point. Also I miss my dog. He stayed with ex. Don’t miss the ex.

happy 2019

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:15:56am

re: #102 makeitstop

Did you guys have Burger Chef out there? They were pretty good but folded when McDonald’s started popping up everywhere.

Burger Chef were pretty good burgers. My girlfriend in high school worked at one. As it happened, it was right across the street from the old Howard Johnson’s (which is an Applebee’s now)..

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:17:23am

re: #164 dangerman

no one ate that stuff sober
at 2am on the way home, lynbrook was the stop
until jack in the box came along (what the hell did we know? we were young and foolish)

then again, only ever being in the castle after midnight, i have no idea what the day crowd looked like

My former MIL loved White Castle, and as long as I can remember would stop by Whities on her way home from work once a week. If we happened to be visiting, we would get served some, too.

I ate them, and the soggy fries, but White Castle is not a place I would willingly visit while sober.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:18:28am

Signal acquisition event now scheduled for 10:20 am

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:20:52am

re: #150 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s got only one thing on his mind, it seems.

OK, maybe something else, like Mueller or Pelosi.

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Again, we’re reminded that the biggest problem the GOP have with Trump is he says the shit out loud they would prefer he say softly. They’ve spent the better part of 2 weeks trying to push “border security” loudly while quietly saying the wall is the only “security” they care about…and here’s Donny, screaming “THE WALL IS THE ONLY BORDER SECURITY THAT MATTERS!!!”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:22:48am

re: #169 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Signal acquisition event now scheduled for 10:20 am

The feed (talking head) doesn’t seem able to keep up—probably slammed.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:32:36am

Telemetry coming in…

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:32:48am

It’s a day ending in “Y,” so here’s out good pal Derpowitz to remind the Martha’s Vineyard crowd why they voted him off the island:

“Everybody is compared to Hitler. Everybody is compared to the Holocaust. Israel defending itself against Gaza rockets — oh, they’re Nazis. Anybody who compares Trump or anybody else to Hitler essentially is a Holocaust denier, because what they’re saying [is] well, there were no gas chambers, there was no Auschwitz, there was no plan to kill six million Jews. They minimize it,” he explained.

“To say that anything that happened since then is comparable to the Holocaust and certainly to compare the American political system to anything that happened in the Holocaust is just outrageous,” Dershowitz added.

Now to be fair, he started off with a valid point that the comparison to Hitler is way overused in our political dialogue today. It’s pretty rich coming from a conservative after 8 years of “ZOMG, OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!!” and all the comparisons of everything that admin did to fascist regimes.

But he then stays true to form by falling flat on his face, minimizing the comparison by…well…minimizing the Third Reich to just the Holocaust. But it’s par for the course, wingnuts only defense when someone they support is compared to Hitler tends to be “Well, he’s not killing Jews!!!” And in 1935, Hitler wasn’t executing Jews either. He was just systematically robbing them of their rights and isolating them so that, when the time came to toss them in the camps, people like modern wingnuts took it as their “patriotic duty” to help with the round-ups.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:34:21am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:36:47am

re: #172 Unshaken Defiance

Telemetry coming in…

All systems are green.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:38:44am

re: #173 Targetpractice

It’s a day ending in “Y,” so here’s out good pal Derpowitz to remind the Martha’s Vineyard crowd why they voted him off the island:

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Now to be fair, he started off with a valid point that the comparison to Hitler is way overused in our political dialogue today. It’s pretty rich coming from a conservative after 8 years of “ZOMG, OBAMA IS JUST LIKE HITLER!!!” and all the comparisons of everything that admin did to fascist regimes.

But he then stays true to form by falling flat on his face, minimizing the comparison by…well…minimizing the Third Reich to just the Holocaust. But it’s par for the course, wingnuts only defense when someone they support is compared to Hitler tends to be “Well, he’s not killing Jews!!!” And in 1935, Hitler wasn’t executing Jews either. He was just systematically robbing them of their rights and isolating them so that, when the time came to toss them in the camps, people like modern wingnuts took it as their “patriotic duty” to help with the round-ups.

I compare him to Hitler yes but I also compare him to others who may not have committed genocide but scapegoated minorities for political gain. Dershowitz is being deliberately obtuse.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:40:02am

I sure hope 2019 can bring an end to having to come across Trump and jagoffs* like Dershowitz and Giuliani tweet and yak.

So freakin’ sick of the mendacity and overall bad character of these fools.

*for the Pittsburgh and Western PA types!

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:40:12am

filling in my run log and already i typed 2018 for 2019

as sunday morning lizards know, as a consequence of the Dopey training, i got on a bit of an unintended streak

today’s run marks 70 days in a row. about 610 miles or so

the last time i had a streak like this was 2014. 85 days and a mere 479 miles.
i used to actually track this stuff.

I am quite different than i was then. in how i run. how well, and why.

i am not trying to do this - it’s just a data pattern that popped up from the log

with the Dopey just a week away, i dont know if this will continue or not.
and if it doesnt, im certainly not going to ‘try’ again. it just sorta…happened

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:48:07am

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 7:56:58am

re: #179 Patricia Kayden

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from electoral-vote.com today

Note that there is no agency where a majority is pro-shutdown, and the ones where shutdown support is the highest are, not coincidentally, the ones where employees are not currently missing paychecks. In any case, the next time Trump claims federal employees are behind him, you’ll know for sure he’s lying, as opposed to merely strongly suspecting he’s lying

A new poll also makes clear that federal employees are broadly opposed to what’s happening. Nearly 80% oppose the shutdown. Only 30% think a wall is a good idea, and among those, more than a third think that the wall is not important enough to justify closing down the government. The poll also broke things down by agency:

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:02:09am
(CNN)Four physicians — experts in pediatrics, infectious diseases and health policy — have a message for White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders: Contrary to what she says, it’s not clear that the federal government is doing everything it can to care for children crossing the border.
And they’d like to help her understand what the government could do better so more children don’t die.

Top of my unforgivable list of Trump actions.

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calochortus  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:03:29am

Good morning and Happy New Year. We celebrated at 9 pm last night (hey, it was the new year on D.C. time-welcome Democrats!) and went to bed 10-ish. Just as well, a couple of great horned owls were celebrating something in the tree right outside our bedroom at 6:00 am.
We’ll probably head over to Año Nuevo beach in a while, because, well New Year. That means the ceremonial taking down of the ChristmasPatriotic decorations will have to wait, but so be it.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:12:35am

re: #181 Unshaken Defiance

Top of my unforgivable list of Trump actions.

i read the article and applaud their sentiments
though i think they accepted the premise a little to easy

- it’s not “the federal government is doing everything it can”, maybe it could do more
- this speaks to a good effort that needs some tweaking

-it’s that the federal government is doing almost nothing at all
-the situation is obvious, preventable, predictable
-it’s totally unnecessary in the first place
-and the outcome is likely what some in the admin wanted (may have ghoulishly hoped for)
- they’re certainly assessing “blame” that way

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:13:20am

The wall is a loser. And everyone but Trump knows it.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:14:19am
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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:14:54am

Happy New Year like a dog, everybody.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:18:03am

re: #185 jaunte

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Wow I pretty much called it. And supporting HRC over you doesn’t make him a Hillary lover. It just means he’s a majority of the country which you forget didn’t want your ass.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:18:46am

My son and his German shepherd overnighted with us, which meant dog activity all night long, with my dog establishing repeatedly that she was the ruler in this house, and son’s dog Cash barking every time he heard armadillos, owls or coyote outside. My new year wish is a full night’s sleep tonight.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:19:15am

He’s still drunk-Tweeting even though he supposedly never drinks alcohol. That would make him a “dry drunk” (someone who acts intoxicated all the time even without alcohol)

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:19:23am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

The wall is a loser. And everyone but Trump knows it.

he knows it will never come to pass; likely never even get started except in spots

he also knows it’s great pr
a great fund raiser
attention getter
and rallying cry to the pigheaded* base

* remember back to those halcyon pu**y grabbing days?
i said a lot back then:
- trump’s a pig
- you support a pig, you’re a pig

now he’s the head pig

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:19:56am

Laura Ingraham lost her Fox show and now has only her lame website.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:20:50am

Dry drunk capitalization.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:21:09am

re: #185 jaunte

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
* 42m
“General” McChrystal got fired like a dog by Obama. Last assignment a total bust. Known for big, dumb mouth. Hillary lover!

- the man who wrote this has serious problems
- oh, he’s the president of the united states?
- a country that lets a man write this has serious problems

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:22:04am

Good morning from Battlefield Koreatown.

The guns, M80s and fireworks continued full blast until the police sirens arrived around 3AM. Multiple cars came around along with yet another paramedic truck since we had another Darwin Award winner.

Just the usual start of a New Year here…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:22:23am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:22:29am

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Laura Ingraham lost her Fox show and now has only her lame website.

I read her radio show was canceled; did they cancel her TV show as well? Hope so; you’re next Carlson!

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:23:29am

re: #192 jaunte

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO EVERYONE, INCLUDING THE HATERS AND THE FAKE NEWS MEDIA!
Dry drunk capitalization.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:23:43am

Just the thought of Diamond and Silk replacing Ingraham on 19th Century Fox…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:23:57am

re: #195 The Vicious Babushka

Obama is absolutely correct. We have to keep on fighting.

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calochortus  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:25:15am

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

Obama is absolutely correct. We have to keep on fighting.

Except maybe this year we’ll have tail winds instead of head winds.

Catch you all later. Time to get moving.

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:27:06am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

He’s still drunk-Tweeting even though he supposedly never drinks alcohol. That would make him a “dry drunk” (someone who acts intoxicated all the time even without alcohol)

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Laura seems to have forgotten that Stan McChrystal was the wingnut media’s darling when he was leaking to the press recommendations for upping troop levels and his staff were knocking on everybody in the White House. And they treated it as the height of outrage when he was called on the carpet and ended up resigning, accusing Obama of silencing a “critic” because the war in Afghanistan was being “lost.”

Of course, then McChrystal became a civilian, he started voicing his opinion about guy control laws to the press, and suddenly the wingnuts declared him not only a “liberal,” they declared he deserved to be fired by Obama.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:27:32am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:28:59am

re: #192 jaunte

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Dry drunk capitalization.

Year of the Wild Bore…//

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:30:15am

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

Obama is absolutely correct. We have to keep on fighting.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:31:22am

Someone should make a quick timeline of when Hitler took power, when he started restricting freedoms of various groups, when events like Kristallnacht occurred, when the first concentration camps opened, and when the final solution began.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:31:47am

I was wondering how long it would take to get the first stupid Trump tweets of 2019.

That all caps one, holy hell.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:31:53am

Five minutes of Fail Army.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:33:07am

re: #199 PhillyPretzel

Obama is absolutely correct. We have to keep on fighting.

Now that Pelosi is going to be Speaker, rather than sending me DOOM! emails, just get in front of the cameras.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:33:29am

re: #205 Belafon

Someone should make a quick timeline of when Hitler took power, when he started restricting freedoms of various groups, when events like Kristallnacht occurred, when the first concentration camps opened, and when the final solution began.

Here ya go.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:36:52am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:37:03am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

He’s still drunk-Tweeting even though he supposedly never drinks alcohol. That would make him a “dry drunk” (someone who acts intoxicated all the time even without alcohol)

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Laura you are the media. Stfu. And he’s right about Trump you ignorant fuckwit. You and Trump know nothing about anything except being bigots.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:38:48am

re: #203 Barefoot Grin

You are not far off. The Year of the Pig starts February 5, 2019.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:38:53am

re: #209 The Vicious Babushka

Here ya go.

Thanks, I will have to turn that into a visual timeline.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:39:50am

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:40:01am
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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:43:26am

Am I a bad person for finding this funny?

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:43:50am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:44:47am

re: #216 MsJ

Sarah Huckabee Sanders right now.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:45:48am

re: #216 MsJ

No. You are not a bad person. It is funny in a NSFW way.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:48:16am

Livestream coverage of Pasadena’s annual Tournament of Roses parade with Funny or Die’s Cord and Tish.

FUNNY OR DIE’S 2019 Rose Parade with Cord & Tish

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:51:26am

re: #192 jaunte

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Dry drunk capitalization.

dry drunk capitalism?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:54:42am

50 year old German man ploughed car into crowd that included Syrians & Afghans. After a previous attempt to hit people waiting at a bus stop failed.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:54:48am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

In Philly we have this: mrmummer.com

A New Years Day parade Philly style.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:58:35am

Season three of a Series of Unfortunate Events is out on Netflix.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 8:59:25am

re: #223 PhillyPretzel

In Philly we have this: mrmummer.com

A New Years Day parade Philly style.

Cool.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:01:10am

Morning Lizardim and Happy New Year from the bitterly cold (-2 degrees F / -18.9 degrees C) wild north country. It’s partly cloudy and beautiful… just COLD. How go things among the lizardfolk as the calendar turns to a new page?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:01:36am

re: #189 The Vicious Babushka

He’s still drunk-Tweeting even though he supposedly never drinks alcohol. That would make him a “dry drunk” (someone who acts intoxicated all the time even without alcohol)

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“Fired like a dog”? What the actual fuck does that even mean?

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:02:31am

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

DT is coining his own phrases. Your guess is as good as mine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:08:59am

re: #228 PhillyPretzel

DT is coining his own phrases. Your guess is as good as mine.

I think he’s got something against dogs. I remember reading that he was embarrassed that the Pence family brought their dog to the VP’s residence when they moved.

Doesn’t like dogs or understand others liking them. Says everything you need to know about him.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:09:35am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:12:47am

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

“Fired like a dog”? What the actual fuck does that even mean?

He really doesn’t understand dogs.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:13:41am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

He really doesn’t understand dogs.

They probably understand him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:13:44am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

I think he’s got something against dogs. I remember reading that he was embarrassed that the Pence family brought their dog to the VP’s residence when they moved.

Doesn’t like dogs or understand others liking them. Says everything you need to know about him.

Yeah he hates dogs. I told my niece about that and she found that weird. It’s one of the weirdest things about him imo.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:14:42am

re: #230 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JUST CALM DOWN AND ENJOY THE RIDE

Anyone looking for a sign that this is an abuser, look no further.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:16:28am

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

They probably understand him.

That’s probably why he doesn’t like them. Dogs are scary perceptive. Trump as an abusive asshole would set off most dogs’ warning bells and cause them to be defensive and “angry” (his perception of them).

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makeitstop  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:17:19am

So I woke up to take Scout out this morning, then came into my office and fired up the laptop to find that one of the cats figured out how to flip my display upside-down. My cats know Windows shortcut keys better than I do.

Also - it feels like the middle of March outside today. Did I like really, really oversleep or something?

Happy New Year, errybody!

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:17:21am
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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:17:54am

re: #231 HappyWarrior

He really doesn’t understand dogs.

Nor does he like them.

Which is a major red flag and personality flaw.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:18:24am

re: #232 Blind Frog Belly White

They probably understand him.

Animals hate him because he is a fearful man-child. Witness the video of him with the eagle. I’d bet (even nice) dogs growl at him just because.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:19:44am

re: #239 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Dogs have great radar for poser bullies.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:20:46am

re: #239 Colère Tueur de Lapin

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:21:10am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:22:24am

Happy New Year, Lizardim!

I don’t drink any more so I watched the festivities around me sober. They consisted of people trying to play Spades wasted (not pretty, they were trying to partner with the least drunk of each other), screaming “X my balls!” at top volume, and one coach calling my husband, drunk off his ass, to tell him he’s in love with his wife. He is not in love with me. He was regret-building drunk.

So, you know, sober New Year is not to be missed.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:23:12am

Speaking of dogs, we went over to a neighbor’s house for NYE. They’d invited us and both dogs, which sounded like a better idea than it turned out to be - food on coffee tables and Greyhounds do not make for a relaxing time, so I ended up walking Rango around the block and then home.

Dory, meanwhile, wore herself out playing with their dog Pepper, who’s a similar sized dog. They were tussling and chasing all over the couch. Dory won, I think. She just doesn’t give up!

BTW, she handled her first night of random fireworks with aplomb. Slept right through them. Thank goodness!! Poor Kyoko used to spend 4th of July and NYE shivering under the bed!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:23:16am

He doesn’t seem to like any animals. It’s bizarre and as the Pence story get why others do as well.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:23:26am

“Like a dog” is a description Trump goes back to again and again.

I’m not sure it has anything to do with dogs in particular. He just likes certain phrases and repeats them over and over.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:24:58am

re: #245 HappyWarrior

He doesn’t seem to like any animals. It’s bizarre

Critical tell. Animal haters are cruelty in waiting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:25:32am

re: #243 BlueGrl21

Happy New Year, Lizardim!

I don’t drink any more so I watched the festivities around me sober. They consisted of people trying to play Spades wasted (not pretty, they were trying to partner with the least drunk of each other), screaming “ my balls!” at top volume, and one coach calling my husband, drunk off his ass, to tell him he’s in love with his wife. He is not in love with me. He was regret-building drunk.

So, you know, sober New Year is not to be missed.

You know, there’s something to be said about watching drunk people while sober. It’s actually more of an incentive to stay sober most times. Very rarely do I watch drunk people and think, “Yeah, I wanna be like that.”

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:25:39am

Like a dog
Build the wall
Lock her up

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HappyWarrior  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:26:30am

re: #247 Unshaken Defiance

Critical tell. Animal haters are cruelty in waiting.

Absolutely

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:26:34am
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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:26:55am

a couple of years ago we woke to this on our deck (the peacock, not monster the cat)

just now, the first lizard of the new year:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:29:45am
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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:33:45am

re: #191 The Vicious Babushka

Laura Ingraham lost her Fox show and now has only her lame website.

What?

I thought she lost her radio show, but still has her nightly FOX News “entertainment” show.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:34:56am

re: #180 dangerman

Thanks for the graphic. I would assume that most federal employees don’t like being used as pawns and being without pay checks for a useless political objective.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:36:07am

re: #180 dangerman

I note the Air Force, which Christian wingnuts have worked hard to infiltrate, has the strongest support for Trump’s policies.

It makes sense the wingnuts would try to take over the part of the government that has the most and longest ranging nukes. They figure when The Apocalypse comes their place in Heaven is determined by the body count they inflict on heathens, heretics and blasphemers.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:37:04am

Entirely different take than what I just said, but…”like a dog” seems to be something very bad to Trump, and it badness comes from “dog” being associated with weakness or inferior status. It’s more like “die like a dog” where the suggestion is shaming and demeaning than “work like a dog.”

Which follows with his general pattern of being a narcissistic bully: the worst thing possible is to be shameful, so he inflicts the language of shame on people when he’s feeling down-power.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:37:07am

Likely self inflicted and/or negligent discharge

“… Officials reported the shooting was confined to the Marine Barracks and that no additional threats exist. …”

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:37:17am

re: #242 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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we’ll share
these cinnamon sinkers just came out of the danger oven

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sagehen  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:37:36am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

I think he’s got something against dogs. I remember reading that he was embarrassed that the Pence family brought their dog to the VP’s residence when they moved.

Doesn’t like dogs or understand others liking them. Says everything you need to know about him.

Probably it’s that dogs don’t like him.

Dogs are excellent judges of character.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:37:36am

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

Thanks for the graphic. I would assume that most federal employees don’t like being used as pawns and being without pay checks for a useless political objective.

Same for walls. Except the pay check part. They don’t expect much.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:38:51am

re: #246 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

“Like a dog” is a description Trump goes back to again and again.

I’m not sure it has anything to do with dogs in particular. He just likes certain phrases and repeats them over and over.

it’s a put down
‘dogs’ are ‘them’, not ‘us’

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:41:24am

re: #257 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

The other thing I’d point out is that he uses the phrase with no pity or sorrow for the “dog,” nor as a complaint or protest (that someone should be treated “like a dog”).

Contrast to the most famous use of the phrase at the end of The Trial, in which the phrase is used to evoke shame, indignation, and protest.

Trump never uses the phrase with sympathy. He’s always the third party taking gleeing that someone else is degraded “like a dog.”

It’s pretty fucked up.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:42:13am

re: #256 Romantic Heretic

I note the Air Force, which Christian wingnuts have worked hard to infiltrate, has the strongest support for Trump’s policies.

It makes sense the wingnuts would try to take over the part of the government that has the most and longest ranging nukes. They figure when The Apocalypse comes their place in Heaven is determined by the body count they inflict on heathens, heretics and blasphemers.

and as the story said: the ones where shutdown support is highest, “not coincidentally, the ones where employees are not currently missing paychecks”

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:43:51am

re: #262 dangerman

it’s a put down
‘dogs’ are ‘them’, not ‘us’

‘Inferior race’ has gotten so cliché . He’s moved on to ‘inferior species’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:45:11am

re: #255 Patricia Kayden

Thanks for the graphic. I would assume that most federal employees don’t like being used as pawns and being without pay checks for a useless political objective.

I predict a photo op this week with Trump and some “Federal workers” who support his shutdown.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:45:47am

re: #265 wrenchwench

‘Inferior race’ has gotten so cliché . He’s moved on to ‘inferior species’.

What dogs and Democrats understand is the Trump is an damnably inferior person.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:45:59am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:46:00am

re: #257 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

This was also my take.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:46:38am

One of the floats caught on fire at the Tournament of Roses parade.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:47:38am

re: #270 Dr Lizardo

One of the floats caught on fire at the Tournament of Roses parade.

Welcome to 2019.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:48:21am

Got to love a government shutdown right as tax season is coming again.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:48:31am

re: #227 Blind Frog Belly White

“Fired like a dog”? What the actual fuck does that even mean?

It is obvious Trump does not like doggys.

And to make it worse, he apparently associates dogs as lowly useless and dirty animals. So any human he calls a dog shares the same characteristics.

I’d take a mangy mutt that’s been on the streets for a year over Trump. The mutt can be nursed back to health, will be thankful to have someone care for it and will be a loving and dedicated friend because of what you did for it.

All the things Trump is not.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:48:37am

re: #271 wrenchwench

Welcome to 2019.

Yes, we’re off to a flying start.

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:48:57am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So long as the checks keep clearing, Trump will be saintly in their eyes.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:49:10am

re: #271 wrenchwench

Welcome to 2019.

Indeed.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:49:46am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Of course the unquestioningly accept Trump. They already accepted Jerry Falwell Sr.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:51:09am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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a lot of delusion in that article besides “no”

In 2016 you wrote in a Washington Post editorial that voters in the 2010 and 2014 midterms sent a message they were “tired of the leftist agenda.” What message did voters in the 2018 midterms send?

This midterm, the president did better than the average president does in his first midterms. So I think the message is that the American people are happy with the direction the country is headed and happy with the economy, happy with our newfound respect in the world. It’s a better result than you normally see in the first midterms.


You and other white evangelical leaders have strongly supported President Trump. What about him exemplifies Christianity and earns him your support?

What earns him my support is his business acumen. Our country was so deep in debt and so mismanaged by career politicians that we needed someone who was not a career politician, but someone who’d been successful in business to run the country like a business. That’s the reason I supported him.

The deficit and debt have increased during his first two years.

Yeah, Congress, the spending bill that they forced on him

so his business acumen is what exemplifies his christianity? ok, um….

and yet congress played him like a fiddle so he’s a lousy politican, a loser and a wimp?

jerry, you are a dissembling ass hat

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:51:39am

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, we’re off to a flying start.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:51:49am

re: #241 Unshaken Defiance

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That is one good lookin’ doggo!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:52:47am

re: #278 dangerman

a lot of delusion in that article besides “no”

In 2016 you wrote in a Washington Post editorial that voters in the 2010 and 2014 midterms sent a message they were “tired of the leftist agenda.” What message did voters in the 2018 midterms send?

This midterm, the president did better than the average president does in his first midterms. So I think the message is that the American people are happy with the direction the country is headed and happy with the economy, happy with our newfound respect in the world. It’s a better result than you normally see in the first midterms.

so his business acumen is what exemplifies his christianity? ok, um….

and yet congress played him like a fiddle so he’s a lousy politican, a loser and a wimp?

jerry, you are a dissembling ass hat

I bet he thinks the money changers Jesus whipped had good “business acumen” too.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:53:04am

re: #252 dangerman

a couple of years ago we woke to this on our deck (the peacock, not monster the cat)

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Just picked the first dandelion of Summer.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:53:17am

re: #256 Romantic Heretic

I note the Air Force, which Christian wingnuts have worked hard to infiltrate, has the strongest support for Trump’s policies.

It makes sense the wingnuts would try to take over the part of the government that has the most and longest ranging nukes. They figure when The Apocalypse comes their place in Heaven is determined by the body count they inflict on heathens, heretics and blasphemers.

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

Yes, we’re off to a flying start.

wingnuts———>Air Force. How could they not?

/I decided not to type that, until I saw Frog Belly’s comment. Blame him.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:54:25am

re: #273 ObserverArt

It is obvious Trump does not like doggys.

And to make it worse, he apparently associates dogs as lowly useless and dirty animals. So any human he calls a dog shares the same characteristics.

I’d take a mangy mutt that’s been on the streets for a year over Trump. The mutt can be nursed back to health, will be thankful to have someone care for it and will be a loving and dedicated friend because of what you did for it.

All the things Trump is not.

Loyal, loving, dedicated, empathetic - all things he isn’t.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:54:59am

re: #246 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

“Like a dog” is a description Trump goes back to again and again.

I’m not sure it has anything to do with dogs in particular. He just likes certain phrases and repeats them over and over.

Thinking a bit more about that phrase further.

Is that used on the streets by the mob types? I have a feeling that is where he may have heard it used and thought it sound tough.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:56:10am

re: #281 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet he thinks the money changers Jesus whipped had good “business acumen” too.

I’m not even sure that better than average midterm nonsense is true
If not, Jerry’s a liar

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:57:07am

re: #286 dangerman

I’m not even sure that better than average midterm nonsense is true
If not, Jerry’s a liar

Doesn’t Jerry have a date with the pool boy or am i mixing up my “Christian” conservative leaders?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:57:17am
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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:59:11am

re: #287 I Would Prefer Not To

Doesn’t Jerry have a date with the pool boy or am i mixing up my “Christian” conservative leaders?

Yup
Maybe that’s why his “support” of the president is absolute

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:59:14am
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BlueGrl21  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:59:23am

re: #267 Unshaken Defiance

What dogs and Democrats understand is the Trump is an damnably inferior person.

I will never forget him calling Omarossa a dog. That made me sick to my stomach.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:00:12am
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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:00:38am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

I predict a photo op this week with Trump and some “Federal workers” who support his shutdown.

Ahhh, yes! The “many” he often talks about.

And if he can’t find them, he’ll write some checks from The Trump Reelection Committee and hire some actors to say they do support it.

Gotta remember, it’s all a show, all an act.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:01:14am

one last thought before I get back to writing

It’s the law people.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:02:22am

re: #292 MsJ

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I think they didn’t. I suspect what happened is that in the 1960s, people mistakenly assumed all boomers became hippies, and now they mistakenly assume all boomers became Trumpkins.

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sagehen  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:03:54am

re: #286 dangerman

I’m not even sure that better than average midterm nonsense is true
If not, Jerry’s a liar

I’m sure it’s not true. There’s been times when a midterm swung more seats, back before ultra-gerrymandering when there were a lot more purple districts.

But the actual D v R vote differential in this mid-term (53% to 45%) is the biggest since Watergate. It’s bigger than 1994, 2006, 2010, 2014…

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:04:27am

re: #285 ObserverArt

I tried looking it up with Google and none of the versions of “…like a dog” pop up as coming from a particular vernacular, but who knows with these assholes.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:04:36am

re: #293 ObserverArt

Ahhh, yes! The “many” he often talks about.

And if he can’t find them, he’ll write some checks from The Trump Reelection Committee and hire some actors to say they do support it.

Gotta remember, it’s all a show, all an act
.

that’s why “wall”, “maga”, “dog”, fake news”, “sad”, “winning” and so on all work
they are short, sweet and sort of resonate on some level
and mostly they mean nothing specific
so the listener is forced to fill in what it means

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:05:03am

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

I think they didn’t. I suspect what happened is that in the 1960s, people mistakenly assumed all boomers became hippies, and now they mistakenly assume all boomers became Trumpkins.

The hippies were a little before my time (I was born in 1969) but I’d imagine that the hippies were most likely not a majority of the baby boom generation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:05:22am

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

I think they didn’t. I suspect what happened is that in the 1960s, people mistakenly assumed all boomers became hippies, and now they mistakenly assume all boomers became Trumpkins.

back in the hippie days, the future trumpers were known as the Republicans’ “Best and Brightest”.

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Jay C  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:05:28am

re: #268 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Though still an asshole, Falwell Jr.’s admiration for Trump’s “business acumen” is fairly understandable. After all, since he ran his casino businesses into the ground, Trump’s “acumen” has basically consisted of pressure-marketing a bunch of gullible rubes into forking over their money for what they imagine to be marks of prestige. And the whole image bolstered by carefully-scripted presentations on (the misnamed) “reality TV”.

Just the sort of skill set Falwell might admire….

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:06:24am

re: #301 Jay C

Though still an asshole, Falwell Jr.’s admiration for Trump’s “business acumen” is fairly understandable. After all, since he ran his casino businesses into the ground, Trump’s “acumen” has basically consisted of pressure-marketing a bunch of gullible rubes into forking over their money for what they imagine to be marks of prestige. And the whole image bolstered by carefully-scripted presentations on (the misnamed) “reality TV”.

Just the sort of skill set Falwell might admire….

+1

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:07:22am

re: #298 dangerman

that’s why “wall”, “maga”, “dog”, fake news”, “sad”, “winning” and so on all work
they are short, sweet and sort of resonate on some level
and mostly they mean nothing specific
so the listener is forced to fill in what it means

Well put.

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sagehen  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:07:41am

re: #292 MsJ

How did the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance hippies of the 1960s become the hateful people they are today?

I do not understand a shift in thought of that magnitude.

Because the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance was always just a cover story. A euphemism for “please don’t draft me, not me, send someone else not.me!!”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:09:41am

re: #299 Dr Lizardo

The hippies were a little before my time (I was born in 1969) but I’d imagine that the hippies were most likely not a majority of the baby boom generation.

They also ran to the self-indulgent and fickle, with none of the gravitas of the Beats.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:10:06am

re: #295 Blind Frog Belly White

I think they didn’t. I suspect what happened is that in the 1960s, people mistakenly assumed all boomers became hippies, and now they mistakenly assume all boomers became Trumpkins.

Certainly not all of anyone but enough were.

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:11:07am

Every generation has its rebellion, whether it was the greasers, the hippies, the punks, or the emos. And they all eventually grew up, cut their hair, and became part of the mainstream in time for the next generation to rebel against “the norm.”

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:11:28am

re: #304 sagehen

Because the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance was always just a cover story. A euphemism for “please don’t draft me, not me, send someone else not.me!!”

Interesting take. Really.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:11:46am

re: #292 MsJ

The ones I know haven’t changed much.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:15:46am

re: #304 sagehen

Because the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance was always just a cover story. A euphemism for “please don’t draft me, not me, send someone else not.me!!”

Again, does not match my experience.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:16:20am

re: #298 dangerman

that’s why “wall”, “maga”, “dog”, fake news”, “sad”, “winning” and so on all work
they are short, sweet and sort of resonate on some level
and mostly they mean nothing specific
so the listener is forced to fill in what it means

Bannon and Miller taught Trump to say ‘wall’ because it was so much easier to accomplish than getting him to say, ‘We must limit immigration to the people I want.’

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:17:26am

Some hippies became hardcore right, though—David Horowitz, Michael Savage, etc. Not sure how they got so screwed up.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:19:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:20:14am

but, of course…

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:22:27am

The Washington Post title about Trump’s Claim: Trump claims there’s a 10-foot wall around the Obamas’ D.C. home. He is wrong.

About the house itself:

The former president and first lady purchased the nine-bedroom mansion for $8.1 million in 2017, The Post previously reported. It’s located in the affluent D.C. neighborhood of Kalorama, which is also home to Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner. Amazon founder Jeffrey P. Bezos, who owns The Post, bought the former Textile Museum in the neighborhood for $23 million; it is being converted into a single-family home. Previous residents of the neighborhood have included former presidents Woodrow Wilson, William Howard Taft, Warren G. Harding, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Herbert Hoover.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:23:43am

re: #301 Jay C

Though still an asshole, Falwell Jr.’s admiration for Trump’s “business acumen” is fairly understandable. After all, since he ran his casino businesses into the ground, Trump’s “acumen” has basically consisted of pressure-marketing a bunch of gullible rubes into forking over their money for what they imagine to be marks of prestige. And the whole image bolstered by carefully-scripted presentations on (the misnamed) “reality TV”.

Just the sort of skill set Falwell might admire….

Trump, Falwell, Graham and really so many others involved in The Trump Show…all are Elmer Gantry.

(One of my favorite classic movies. Learned a lot from it. This was the trailer for it.)

Elmer Gantry, le charlatan

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:24:13am

re: #315 Belafon

The Washington Post title about Trump’s Claim: Trump claims there’s a 10-foot wall around the Obamas’ D.C. home. He is wrong.

About the house itself:

Even when it’s the Washington Post which has been good about calling out Trump, they still cannot use the word “lie” in their headlines.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:24:54am

re: #305 Decatur Deb

They also ran to the self-indulgent and fickle, with none of the gravitas of the Beats.

That’s what Mr. w says. So many people think he’s an old hippie, just because he hasn’t shaved since 1969. But before he went in the Navy, he was a Beat.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:24:57am

Doesn’t Falwell Junior have a Rentboy problem?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:25:28am
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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:27:37am

re: #319 MsJ

Doesn’t Falwell Junior have a Rentboy problem?

Pool boy, rent boy, WhatEv’s.

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Jay C  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:28:08am

re: #304 sagehen

Because the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance was always just a cover story. A euphemism for “please don’t draft me, not me, send someone else not.me!!”

re: #310 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Again, does not match my experience.

Mine either. I recall that while the Vietnam War was still ongoing, it (and the draft) were always there as an ongoing backdrop to social upheavals; draft avoidance, and/or actual draft evasion was usually framed as a matter of individual conscience, or else an issue of collective action (I.e. protest and pressure). Maybe there were some folks who thought of the issue in a “please not me” manner, but as best I can remember, that attitude was far from common.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:30:05am

re: #307 Targetpractice

Every generation has its rebellion, whether it was the greasers, the hippies, the punks, or the emos. And they all eventually grew up, cut their hair, and became part of the mainstream in time for the next generation to rebel against “the norm.”

It a side effect of living in Britain during the 80s with Nazi punks, but…there is frequently far less to “rebellion” than the great meaning it is retroactively assigned when people craft generational narratives.

Mostly its people experimenting with transgression of norms, and you don’t actually know what those transgressions mean to the transgressor.

Think about how “hippy” is now a blanket term covering a mix of drives and motives that might overlap, but might not, but primarily uses externalities—consumption habits, aesthetics—to define the collective. Some of those people deeply believed in something. Some believed vaguely in a lot of things, not knowing what the change they wanted was. For some their rebellion was against norms of temperance and appearance, purely personal.

…And some never cared about any of the ideas beyond their utility to get what they wanted.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:30:06am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Interesting graphic version of the standard multiplication. Now, let’s see 186282 * 86400. Joking aside, that might be a good way for visual people to see long multiplication.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:30:55am

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

I don’t get it. 😢

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:32:17am

re: #304 sagehen

Because the Peace, Love, Kindness and Acceptance was always just a cover story. A euphemism for “please don’t draft me, not me, send someone else not.me!!”

I think that is a little harsh and simple. There were a lot of young American men sacrificed for what again?

It also was a group thing. There were a lot of peaceniks that didn’t want to see anyone go to Vietnam. It wasn’t all about saving one’s own butt.

And I know mothers and fathers that didn’t want their sons going too. I know, I had brothers that graduated high school in ‘63 and ‘64, Prime candidates. I still remember seeing my mother crying when my one brother was drafted in early ‘65. She wanted her son to be a “not him.”

And by the end of the war, even those that went became “not me” types. Ask John Kerry.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:33:49am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:34:38am

re: #327 MsJ

Perfect. It is just what DT needs another lawsuit.

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:35:11am

re: #319 MsJ

Doesn’t Falwell Junior have a Rentboy problem?

Uh, the proper nomenclature is ‘infusion of Series A working capital for a start up’ boy.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:36:49am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

I predict a photo op this week with Trump and some “Federal workers” who support his shutdown.

And, all federal employees will know that it’s BS.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:39:36am

re: #266 Eclectic Cyborg

I predict a photo op this week with Trump and some “Federal workers” who support his shutdown.

Staffers qualify as “federal employees”, right? *wink wink nudge nudge*

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BeachDem  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:40:05am

re: #285 ObserverArt

Thinking a bit more about that phrase further.

Is that used on the streets by the mob types? I have a feeling that is where he may have heard it used and thought it sound tough.

Not sure why he uses it, but he uses it a lot.

…a scroll through his extensive and toxic list of dog tweets shows that Trump clearly means “dog” as a vicious insult, one that he deploys against enemies he particularly wants to malign.
thecut.com

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:40:19am

Oh and this happened to me a bit ago. People are strange.

WTF lady?!

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:40:23am

re: #325 MsJ

I don’t get it. 😢

If you think in terms of long multiplication, the set of lines represent each number. You go top-down for one number, and left to right with the second. Each intersection is the multiplication of the two numbers whose line groups meet. When the writer does the curves, that represents each column where you add in your long division.

Take 23 * 41. Draw 2 horizontal lines to represent the 2, leave a gap, and then draw three horizontal lines to represent the 3. Now, draw four vertical lines over the others, leave a gap, and then draw one vertical line; this represents the 41.
Starting from the bottom right, the number of dots, which is the number of intersections between the three lines from 23 and the one line from 41, which is four. Thus the last digit in the multiplication is four. If you continue the diagonal separation, you get the familiar multiplication and addition we are used to:

023
x41
———-
023
920
———-
943

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:40:31am

Trump Gallup:

A derivative of the Gish Gallup as applied to criminality and social media strategy;
commit so many crimes it’s hard for investigations to keep up; incessantly make conflicting statements of denial and victimhood by opponents as a scorched earth political strategy; erratic reactionary decision making in lieu of steady leadership that takes the focus on criminal investigations by media.

I could go on.

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:40:35am

My NY resolution… Unfollow Raw Story (done) and don’t RT them again.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:41:10am

re: #326 ObserverArt

[…]

And by the end of the war, even those that went became “not me” types. Ask John Kerry.

Also maybe harsh and simple. There’s a big difference between not wanting to be in the military, and having been in the military before, but then afterward taking a stand against a particular war.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:46:12am

re: #318 wrenchwench

That’s what Mr. w says. So many people think he’s an old hippie, just because he hasn’t shaved since 1969. But before he went in the Navy, he was a Beat.

I fell into the Village between the Beats and the early Hippies. “Hippie” was a slur for weekenders from The Bronx.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:46:14am

re: #307 Targetpractice

Every generation has its rebellion, whether it was the greasers, the hippies, the punks, or the emos. And they all eventually grew up, cut their hair, and became part of the mainstream in time for the next generation to rebel against “the norm.”

we seem to have reached a point where the metaphorical mainstream has forked into two smaller streams and everyone has to choose which fork they want to take

unfortunately predominantly one side has decided it should be to the exclusion of any consideration or empathy for those who took with the other stream

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:47:15am

re: #311 wrenchwench

Bannon and Miller taught Trump to say ‘wall’ because it was so much easier to accomplish than getting him to say, ‘We must limit immigration to the people I want.’

a shorthand. exactly

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:49:25am
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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:52:15am

re: #326 ObserverArt

I think that is a little harsh and simple. There were a lot of young American men sacrificed for what again?

It also was a group thing. There were a lot of peaceniks that didn’t want to see anyone go to Vietnam. It wasn’t all about saving one’s own butt.

And I know mothers and fathers that didn’t want their sons going too. I know, I had brothers that graduated high school in ‘63 and ‘64, Prime candidates. I still remember seeing my mother crying when my one brother was drafted in early ‘65. She wanted her son to be a “not him.”

And by the end of the war, even those that went became “not me” types. Ask John Kerry.

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freetoken  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:52:21am

re: #341 jaunte

“The public” in America, at least a fourth of them, still believe the universe is just 6000 years old.

Public hearings don’t sway these people.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:52:41am

re: #328 PhillyPretzel

Perfect. It is just what DT needs another lawsuit.

they won last time
they should easily win again

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:54:38am

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

/rBj0Tys+ZtedcSzjNk8YkuZfAZ+rWfNR81iZ/aCACIl6oJQtXpBV00y+97zFOiE2z88mJfXLf/59C7dPbOVaboG5ZJxaePVCpU87cY7zTqjXw/DpYzYP8b27rEFY+01sdW90cM5Y4adUD9DnMYM2SfhSIjKEImFWSYjxI1WZLEFob1l92lOleX3QW19lZWG/yhnf9FdhjojtP7eUox/F24iThVt/PiDPdmYFrxccnHVN6Sd/uEHU/D6vDe8MKLvzwLAizkYrQSQXQ6kAgyewB3kTgc8UoWeJSEMeyGDHsSYhIkM4ZtulO67vkDAvAsl2YKL3Ch31Agti1Znj43OrZox5yKh1tnNnNe7l0MaV59Wv2WpGxxndZViqLUgjgLQ

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:56:03am

re: #337 wrenchwench

Also maybe harsh and simple. There’s a big difference between not wanting to be in the military, and having been in the military before, but then afterward taking a stand against a particular war.

there’s also nothing wrong with being against a war and still going when drafted

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:57:37am

New Year’s brekky:
Fresh papaya and Kona coffee
Mom just fried up fresh lumpia
Getting my LGF on

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:58:15am

re: #254 ObserverArt

What?

I thought she lost her radio show, but still has her nightly FOX News “entertainment” show.

She does. She “quit” doing the radio show so she could “spend more time with her family.”

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KGxvi  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:58:29am

re: #343 freetoken

“The public” in America, at least a fourth of them, still believe the universe is just 6000 years old.

Public hearings don’t sway these people.

You don’t need to sway everyone. But the only way the congressional, and particularly the Senate, GOP is going to move from protecting Trump to doing their damn jobs, is if his approval ratings drop below 40 and stay there for an extended period of time. That’s ultimately what did GW Bush in. The closer we get to 2020, and the greater the albatross that Trump becomes, the more likely they’ll be to say “fuck that guy.”

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:58:35am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:58:57am

re: #346 dangerman

there’s also nothing wrong with being against a war and still going when drafted

After ETS I could protest and know what I was protesting.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:59:05am

re: #312 Barefoot Grin

Some hippies became hardcore right, though—David Horowitz, Michael Savage, etc. Not sure how they got so screwed up.

I’d say that they were extremists looking for an ideology.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:59:43am

re: #341 jaunte

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two of the problems are:

- those people dont want to be reached. they arent receptive to listening, engaging, understanding, learning, changing their minds or views
- yes. truth is truth. and truth doesnt matter to these people. it’s irrelevant.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:59:46am

re: #350 gocart mozart

He really took that ‘Dick in a Box’ song a little too literally.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:00:22am

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say that they were extremists looking for an ideology.

A bunch of them were just trying to get laid.

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KGxvi  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:01:38am

re: #348 Ace Rothstein

She does. She “quit” doing the radio show so she could “spend more time with her family.”

Funny, I thought she quit the radio show because the unseen hand of the market gave her the bird

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KGxvi  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:01:59am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

A bunch of them were just trying to get laid.

Well, at least it’s an ethos.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:02:37am

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say that they were extremists looking for an ideology.

Radical leftists who became radical rightists.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:03:20am

re: #353 dangerman

two of the problems are:

- those people dont want to be reached. they arent receptive to listening, engaging, understanding, learning, changing their minds or views
- yes. truth is truth. and truth doesnt matter to these people. it’s irrelevant.

I think we should have public hearings for the majority of the world who aren’t Trump supporters.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:03:20am

re: #337 wrenchwench

Also maybe harsh and simple. There’s a big difference between not wanting to be in the military, and having been in the military before, but then afterward taking a stand against a particular war.

That’s the problem a lot of the previous generations had understanding the protests - they’d fought in WWII or Korea, and here were these privileged kids not wanting to do their bit.

Meanwhile, we were engaged in a stupid, unwinnable war which could only serve as a meatgrinder for the young.

Interestingly, we’re STILL in stupid, unwinnable wars which serve as meatgrinders for the young, but now they’re not draftees, and there aren’t as many of them.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:05:15am

re: #358 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Radical leftists who became radical rightists.

Because it was never about the ideology. It was about absolutism.

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KGxvi  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:06:04am

re: #358 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Radical leftists who became radical rightists.

My AP government teacher, lo those many years ago, introduced me to the idea that the political spectrum isn’t so much a straight line as it is a horseshoe. The far left and far right, Leninism and fascism (for lack of better terms), while based on very different philosophical differences, on a day to day basis, are basically the same thing. So it’s probably easier to go from extreme left to extreme right, or vice versa, than it is to go from either of them to the middle where most of us live.

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jeffreyw  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:09:35am
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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:10:05am

re: #362 KGxvi

My AP government teacher, lo those many years ago, introduced me to the idea that the political spectrum isn’t so much a straight line as it is a horseshoe. The far left and far right, Leninism and fascism (for lack of better terms), while based on very different philosophical differences, on a day to day basis, are basically the same thing. So it’s probably easier to go from extreme left to extreme right, or vice versa, than it is to go from either of them to the middle where most of us live.

I think of it as the far-right and the far-left meet around back by the trash cans. I guess I’m exposing myself as a ‘trash cans belong around the back’ person.

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:11:18am

BTW, a 4k 43” TV is an awesome computer monitor. I’ve had about a week to play with it, and not having to move stuff around on the screen to see things is great. I did rearrange my work area so I could stare at it straight-on rather than at an angle, but that also opened up the floor in my office.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:11:18am

re: #363 jeffreyw

He was sleeping off last night party.

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KGxvi  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:11:41am

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the problem a lot of the previous generations had understanding the protests - they’d fought in WWII or Korea, and here were these privileged kids not wanting to do their bit.

Meanwhile, we were engaged in a stupid, unwinnable war which could only serve as a meatgrinder for the young.

Interestingly, we’re STILL in stupid, unwinnable wars which serve as meatgrinders for the young, but now they’re not draftees, and there aren’t as many of them.

Further complicating the fact that the argument for fighting in Vietnam was the same as fighting in Korea - the old domino effect. The problem was, there was no clear strategy for actually winning in Vietnam, or even fighting to a Korean style stalemate.

As for the wars we are fighting today, I’d disagree slightly. We won the wars - we toppled the Taliban in Afghanistan and ousted Saddam in Iraq. The problem that we had in both places is that we had no plan to “win the peace.” If you’re going to invade a country and depose it’s leadership, you need to be ready to engage in nation building (and also recognize that it’s probably going to take a generation to get right). That was supposed to be a lesson we learned after WWI.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:12:20am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:12:27am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:13:13am
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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:13:24am

re: #369 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I’d rather not have StratCom be “triggered.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:14:11am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

A bunch of them were just trying to get laid.

proto-incels

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:14:17am

re: #362 KGxvi

My AP government teacher, lo those many years ago, introduced me to the idea that the political spectrum isn’t so much a straight line as it is a horseshoe. The far left and far right, Leninism and fascism (for lack of better terms), while based on very different philosophical differences, on a day to day basis, are basically the same thing. So it’s probably easier to go from extreme left to extreme right, or vice versa, than it is to go from either of them to the middle where most of us live.

A horseshoe or a circle. Again, the handy-dandy Circle of Derp graphic.

Circle of Derp
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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:14:30am

re: #362 KGxvi

My AP government teacher, lo those many years ago, introduced me to the idea that the political spectrum isn’t so much a straight line as it is a horseshoe. The far left and far right, Leninism and fascism (for lack of better terms), while based on very different philosophical differences, on a day to day basis, are basically the same thing. So it’s probably easier to go from extreme left to extreme right, or vice versa, than it is to go from either of them to the middle where most of us live.

i think even two dimensions are too restricting wrt ‘politics’
i have long worked with the idea that the political compass/spectrum is in fact three dimensional

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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:15:08am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

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I’m imagining Mueller as Wall-E, scraping up the crap that Trump is leaving around and piling it up.

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:15:36am

Best damn version, Happy New Year everyone

Jon Batiste & Stay Human Perform ‘Auld Lang Syne’

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:15:44am

re: #364 wrenchwench

I think of it as the far-right and the far-left meet around back by the trash cans. I guess I’m exposing myself as a ‘trash cans belong around the back’ person.

Except for the day you have to roll them out to the front curb for pickup by the trash service techs!

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:16:39am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

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The more he and Republicans talk about “deals,” the more desperate they sound. Remember two weeks ago, when it was “Give us the funding or be held responsible for this shutdown!”?

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:16:44am

re: #370 The Vicious Babushka

Border Security and the Wall “thing” and Shutdown is not where Nancy Pelosi wanted to start her tenure as Speaker! Let’s make a deal?

oh, i think it is

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:17:15am

re: #352 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say that they were extremists looking for an ideology.

My standing theory on people that flit from extreme view to extreme view is that it’s all about their self-perception. All ideologies are equally valid, as long as they provide fuel for the ego…but when an idea “fails” by demanding humility or deference, or “fails” by not achieving its goals with a level of speed and pageantry that’s gratifying, it has to be denigrated and cast aside.

The power trip…the feeling of being morally Right and intellectually Right (correct) is the end goal.

Crank magnetism, but inside the boundaries of “normal” discourse.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:17:33am

re: #377 ObserverArt

Except for the day you have to roll them out to the front curb for pickup by the trash service techs!

Don’t make me wait for a ‘curb’ to be installed!

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:17:40am

re: #379 dangerman

oh, i think it is

Nancy wants to play offense, will trumps attempts to defend. It’s a mismatch.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:19:44am

re: #381 wrenchwench

Don’t make me wait for a ‘curb’ to be installed!

Okay. In your case…out front.

(I hope you have a front…maybe a side?)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:21:33am

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:22:16am

re: #383 ObserverArt

Okay. In your case…out front.

(I hope you have a front…maybe a side?)

We have a front. We don’t have much of a back. The trash cans are on the side. Don’t tell anyone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:22:58am

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s the problem a lot of the previous generations had understanding the protests - they’d fought in WWII or Korea, and here were these privileged kids not wanting to do their bit.

Meanwhile, we were engaged in a stupid, unwinnable war which could only serve as a meatgrinder for the young.

Interestingly, we’re STILL in stupid, unwinnable wars which serve as meatgrinders for the young, but now they’re not draftees, and there aren’t as many of them.

Now, a lot of them are National Guard

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:23:41am

re: #377 ObserverArt

Except for the day you have to roll them out to the front curb for pickup by the trash service techs!

where i grew up (out makeitstop’s way)
the trash cans were sunk into the ground at ground level with a heavy metal lid and pedal
by the back door of the house

the ‘garbage men’ would walk around to the back door, open the lid, pull out a full metal can and dump it into their large round plastic bin
they’d do once of each of three cans
then heave the bin onto their shoulder and walk to the truck at the front of the house
dump the bin and walk to the next house

something like this:

the lid looked like this

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:24:18am
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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:24:34am

re: #373 ObserverArt

A horseshoe or a circle. Again, the handy-dandy Circle of Derp graphic.

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The reason I dislike that diagram is that is fails to convey how many “centrists” bathe in the same rhetorical latrines as the far right/far left.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:26:42am

re: #382 I Would Prefer Not To

Nancy wants to play offense, will trumps attempts to defend. It’s a mismatch.

nancy is a consummate politican
trump is a self professed ‘deal maker’ - and objectively many times a failure at that
he does not understand (or really care) about politics

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retired cynic  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:27:52am

re: #387 dangerman

Hard on backs!!!!

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:28:17am

re: #387 dangerman

where i grew up (out makeitstop’s way)
the trash cans were sunk into the ground at ground level with a heavy metal lid and pedal
by the back door of the house

the ‘garbage men’ would walk around to the back door, open the lid, pull out a full metal can and dump it into their large round plastic bin
they’d do once of each of three cans
then heave the bin onto their shoulder and walk to the truck at the front of the house
dump the bin and walk to the next house

something like this:

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There is no way to pay a person for doing that much work. A start: Do it for five years and receive a pension for the next 60.

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:28:37am

Donny is such a dealmaker that 2 weeks later, he’s the guy basically begging the DNC to give him a “win” by this point by agreeing to wall funding.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:31:11am

This “walls & wheels “ thing was bothering me it seemed out of left field. Maybe you know this already but it links back to an early morning tweet by trump on December 21 where he makes the argument that just like the wheel has never become obsolete, border walls are never going to become obsolete. Stupid argument but that is the “walls & wheels” thing.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:33:38am

Good discussion started by commenting on hippies.

The one clear thing…like in everything…there are no easy answers and no one stance or opinion.

That is why group names like “hippies” fail to cover all the differences.

And that holds true mostly, except for when we get into periods like now where groups do tend to grow monolithic in thought. Say 1930s Germany, or 2016 USA.

And monolithic thinking is often dangerous. In politics and religion especially.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:34:26am

re: #373 ObserverArt

A horseshoe or a circle. Again, the handy-dandy Circle of Derp graphic.

I suspect that this circle serves as a roadmap for the Russian disinformation strategy.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:41:00am

re: #384 Blind Frog Belly White

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:41:17am

re: #389 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

The reason I dislike that diagram is that is fails to convey how many “centrists” bathe in the same rhetorical latrines as the far right/far left.

The other thing it fails to convey is the asymmetry. There’s more crazy on the Right than the Left, at least these days, and that’s skewed our discourse considerably. For example, 4 years ago, nobody’d bat an eye at the idea that punching Nazis is as American as apple pie.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:41:31am

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now, a lot of them are National Guard

And reservists. That’s a consequene of a conscious decision by Colin Powell. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, he restructured the force, moving certain critical skills like Medical Corps largely into the Reserve. His outspoken intent was to make it impossible ever to go to war without the investment of the entirety of the population. He didn’t come up with a cure for bone spurs, however.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:44:20am

WELCOME TO CRAZYTOWN!

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:44:50am

re: #392 wrenchwench

There is no way to pay a person for doing that much work. A start: Do it for five years and receive a pension for the next 60.

and oh gosh, when the town decided to switch to rolling carts you dragged to the curb/street/road, omg the uproar that the homeowner would have to do anything wrt garbage and not totally be waited on….

50-60 years ago now

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:45:38am

re: #400 goddamnedfrank

Hope your offspring doesn’t pay that ultimate price for your lack of true compassion.

Must be the new Mafia Vendetta Heaven.

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Jay C  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:46:21am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

And reservists. That’s a consequene of a conscious decision by Colin Powell. As Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, he restructured the force, moving certain critical skills like Medical Corps largely into the Reserve. His outspoken intent was to make it impossible ever to go to war without the investment of the entirety of the population. He didn’t come up with a cure for bone spurs, however.

Probably wouldn’t have made much of a difference: I doubt whether that storefront podiatrist in Queens was old Fred Trump’s only medical tenant….

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:46:56am

“We tried burning sinners for eternity but it just wasn’t enough. Now we’re throwing in the offspring!”

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:47:24am

re: #398 Blind Frog Belly White

The other thing it fails to convey is the asymmetry. There’s more crazy on the Right than the Left, at least these days, and that’s skewed our discourse considerably. For example, 4 years ago, nobody’d bat an eye at the idea that punching Nazis is as American as apple pie.

Yep.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:50:14am

re: #400 goddamnedfrank

WELCOME TO CRAZYTOWN!

All of them hear a God that lets them do what they want, with revisions in real time, and sets fire to anyone they’re uncomfortable with.

It’s almost like the voice in their head that says “it’s a holy act to fuck Bob’s wife” is actually their own.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:51:11am

re: #404 jaunte

“We tried burning sinners for eternity but it just wasn’t enough. Now we’re throwing in the offspring!”

I could be wrong but I think this person is saying I hope your kids arent killed by an “illegal”. But it’s hard to be sure. This person is not ok.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:51:49am

re: #404 jaunte

“We tried burning sinners for eternity but it just wasn’t enough. Now we’re throwing in the offspring!”

“And a float in the Rose Parade!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:53:19am

re: #397 dangerman

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:53:38am

re: #406 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

All of them hear a God that lets them do what they want, with revisions in real time, and sets fire to anyone they’re uncomfortable with.

It’s almost like the voice in their head that says “it’s a holy act to fuck Bob’s wife” is actually their own.

(when bob’s not home, won’t know and won’t find out)

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:53:55am

re: #407 Old Liberal

He’s certainly living in an alternate reality.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:55:49am

re: #411 jaunte

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He’s certainly living in an alternate reality.

He may never get threw.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:56:07am

Regarding the Counterculture and the “hippies,” see The Conquest of Cool: Business Culture, Counterculture and the Rise of Hip Consumerism. by Thomas M. Frank.

While the youth counterculture remains the most evocative and best-remembered symbol of the cultural ferment of the 1960s, the revolution that shook American business during those boom years has gone largely unremarked. In this fascinating and revealing study, Thomas Frank shows how the youthful revolutionaries were joined—and even anticipated —by such unlikely allies as the advertising industry and the men’s clothing business.

“[Thomas Frank is] perhaps the most provocative young cultural critic of the moment.”-

-Gerald Marzorati, New York Times Book Review

“An indispensable survival guide for any modern consumer.”—Publishers Weekly, starred review

“Frank makes an ironclad case not only that the advertising industry cunningly turned the countercultural rhetoric of revolution into a rallying cry to buy more stuff, but that the process itself actually predated any actual counterculture to exploit.”

—Geoff Pevere, Toronto Globe and Mail

Frank, you may recall, also wrote What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America. This answered the question of why and how middle and working class Americans were persuaded to vote against their own interest, and it did so 12 years before the Trump disaster.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:56:46am

re: #411 jaunte

Yes he believes if heaven has a literal walk, not steel or concrete I assume but solid gold, well if almighty god needs a wall then so do we.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:57:52am

re: #411 jaunte

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He’s certainly living in an alternate reality.

First off, don’t call it ‘Cali’. I fucking hate that. Secondly, people have claimed there’s an exodus from California ever since I got here, and STILL housing prices keep rising because people keep moving here.

The death of California is a dream for these people. Meanwhile, what’s actually dying is Trump Country, the little towns with their little factories that can’t compete globally.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:57:54am

Wall not walk

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:58:54am

re: #414 Old Liberal

Naturally an all-powerful, all-seeing, never sleeping presence would need a wall to keep stuff out.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:00:20pm

re: #417 jaunte

Naturally an all-powerful, all-seeing, never sleeping presence would need a wall to keep stuff out.

With 12 doors. For kicking out those who already snuck in.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:00:21pm

re: #413 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Regarding the Counterculture and the “hippies,” see The Conquest of Cool: Business Culture, Counterculture and the Rise of Hip Consumerism. by Thomas M. Frank.

Frank, you may recall, also wrote What’s the Matter with Kansas? How Conservatives Won the Heart of America. This answered the question of why and how middle and working class Americans were persuaded to vote against their own interest, and it did so 12 years before the Trump disaster.

“I write for one and only one purpose, to overcome the invincible ignorance of the traduced heart. […] I wish to speak to and for those who have had enough of the Social Lie, the Economics of Mass Murder, the Sexual Hoax, and the Domestication of Conspicuous Consumption.”
― Kenneth Rexroth, called “The Father of the Beats”, though he denied it and insisted on a paternity test.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:00:55pm

re: #417 jaunte

Naturally an all-powerful, all-seeing, never sleeping presence would need a wall to keep stuff out.

Probably still uses wheels too.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:01:14pm

U.S. Census Bureau information, a.k.a. Socialism.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:02:15pm

re: #409 Blind Frog Belly White

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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:04:48pm

re: #415 Blind Frog Belly White

The death of California is a dream for these people. Meanwhile, what’s actually dying is Trump Country, the little towns with their little factories that can’t compete globally.

More like the Little towns that used to have factories but no longer do. Like bringing good paying coal jobs back, these small towns (which used to be company towns where one company employed almost everyone in town) want their company back.

Neither are realistically going to happen. Coal ain’t coming back and some big company isn’t going to resurrect their town.

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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:06:14pm

re: #418 wrenchwench

Yes the sinners somehow crossed that chasm that Jesus said couldn’t be bridged. Maybe they used wheels to jump it like Knievel.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:07:22pm
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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:07:39pm

re: #411 jaunte

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He’s certainly living in an alternate reality.

there is so much wrong with that tweet, beginning with the word “when”

and the poverty and homeless claims are flat out wrong
(i know….doesnt matter..)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:08:16pm

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Lindsey Graham on wall: “I’m not asking Mexico to pay for it. I’m asking the American people to pay for it.”

No. Now fuck off.

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:08:57pm

What Trump will accept, don’t fund the wall but tell people that we did.

He wants a good headline, he doesn’t give a crap if the wall actually gets built.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:09:36pm

re: #411 jaunte

In Real Life, California has the 5th largest economy in the world. (I can’t Tweet that because I blocked the wingnut who posted that meme) cbsnews.com

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:10:13pm
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Old Liberal  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:10:25pm

re: #426 dangerman

there is so much wrong with that tweet, beginning with the word “when”

and the poverty and homeless claims are flat out wrong
(i know….doesnt matter..)

Yes but the smug self assurance permeates. This is a person who knows they are right in everything and yet stoops to warn the unwashed.

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wrenchwench  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:10:29pm

re: #424 Old Liberal

Yes the sinners somehow crossed that chasm that Jesus said couldn’t be bridged. Maybe they used wheels to jump it like Knievel.

Evel? Evel sinners?

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:10:44pm

re: #429 The Vicious Babushka

One more rural Oregon wingnut longing for the State of Jefferson.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:11:29pm

re: #423 MsJ

More like the Little towns that used to have factories but no longer do. Like bringing good paying coal jobs back, these small towns (which used to be company towns where one company employed almost everyone in town) want their company back.

Neither are realistically going to happen. Coal ain’t coming back and some big company isn’t going to resurrect their town.

two 2018 statistics:

• Number of new jobs added: 2.28 million
• Number of those jobs that are in coal mining: 1,100 (.04%)

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:12:36pm

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And the American people are telling you to shove your demands up your ass…sideways!

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:12:42pm

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:12:57pm

re: #425 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Lindsey Graham on wall: “I’m not asking Mexico to pay for it. I’m asking the American people to pay for it.”

oh, then not just “no way”; “no fucking way”

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

re: #431 Old Liberal

Yes but the smug self assurance permeates. This is a person who knows they are right in everything and yet stoops to warn the unwashed.

he picked some cool colors and a nice wavy background

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Targetpractice  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:14:27pm

Ever since Cali ceased being a reliable red state, wingnuts have been predicting its economic (if not geologic) doom. And yet, in the last 2 decades the state suffered the worst under Republican governors. Go figure.

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jaunte  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:15:01pm

re: #407 Old Liberal

I could be wrong but I think this person is saying I hope your kids arent killed by an “illegal”. But it’s hard to be sure. This person is not ok.

I think you’re right. Getting killed by an immigrant is a major theme, right up there with “why don’t you have them come stay in your house, then?!?”

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:22:07pm

re: #400 goddamnedfrank

Since you quoted Patton you obviously idolize him. Derp.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:23:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:25:32pm
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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:26:52pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:27:25pm

re: #427 Blind Frog Belly White

No. Now fuck off.

Flippin’ Off Lindsey Graham
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William Lewis  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:28:44pm

re: #421 jaunte

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U.S. Census Bureau information, a.k.a. Socialism.

According to 2017 statistics, my county in Wisconsin is 17.7% below the poverty line. The past year has been harsh and I’ll bet it’s at least 20% once the new numbers come out. Currently $11.50/hr and averaging 25 ~ 30 hours a week so yours truly is in that percentage.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:32:09pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:32:14pm

re: #344 dangerman

they won last time
they should easily win again

Losing lawsuits hasn’t slowed Trump down thus far.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:35:53pm

...

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:36:19pm

re: #389 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

The reason I dislike that diagram is that is fails to convey how many “centrists” bathe in the same rhetorical latrines as the far right/far left.

I don’t like it because it has “Centrists” between “Democrats” and “Republicans” when actually both parties are right-of-center.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:38:25pm

re: #446 William Lewis

According to 2017 statistics, my county in Wisconsin is 17.7% below the poverty line. The past year has been harsh and I’ll bet it’s at least 20% once the new numbers come out. Currently $11.50/hr and averaging 25 ~ 30 hours a week so yours truly is in that percentage.

My county (population a little over 13,000) in Kentucky is 28.2%.
In the county seat (population ~1,400) it’s 42.6%.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:41:56pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:42:46pm

re: #401 dangerman

and oh gosh, when the town decided to switch to rolling carts you dragged to the curb/street/road, omg the uproar that the homeowner would have to do anything wrt garbage and not totally be waited on….

50-60 years ago now

I grew up in a hole in the ground. When I was a little kid, the garbagemen would come down and get our cans from next to the kitchen door. By the time I was a teenager, I (It was always me) had to carry them to the top of the driveway.

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Ferdinand  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:43:25pm

Breaking news from our local ganja shop here on Washington’s Kitsap Peninsula: there is a widespread shortage of rolling papers (for joints) on the West Coast. Apparently those greedy bastards in Oregon have used up much of the supply. We recreational consumers are having to buy our marijuana in bud form, or put up with packs of pre-rolled joints that are a mix of brown hemp and regular white papers, completely destroying the aesthetic. It is a travesty, I say!

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:44:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:44:45pm
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jeffreyw  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:47:49pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:48:12pm

re: #454 Ferdinand

Breaking news from our local ganja shop here on Washington’s Kitsap Peninsula: there is a widespread shortage of rolling papers (for joints) on the West Coast. Apparently those greedy bastards in Oregon have used up much of the supply. We recreational consumers are having to buy our marijuana in bud form, or put up with packs of pre-rolled joints that are a mix of brown hemp and regular white papers, completely destroying the aesthetic. It is a travesty, I say!

Go shake down the flautists. The greedy bastards suck up all the papers to dry and clean their pads.

(Daughter2 tried to buy a pack of Zig-Zags in Alabama when she was 12.)

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:48:38pm

re: #456 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Which is why we have doctors in our families. So they can use their PDR’s and look up the meds. Either that or a pill book.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:52:26pm
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Ferdinand  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:54:22pm

Also in Washington cannabis news, the state department of agriculture folks deserve high praise in a number of areas, including their embrace of the Clean Green certification program for cannabis products:

“Clean Green Certified is the number one certifier nation-wide for cannabis cultivated using sustainable, natural and organically based practices. Legally, marijuana cannot be called organic — no matter how environmentally friendly the cultivation practices used to grow it — because the term is federally regulated and the USDA does not recognize cannabis as a legitimate agricultural crop. The Clean Green Certified program was created in 2004 as a way to regulate legal cannabis-products that called themselves “organic.” Consumers can rest assured when they buy a Clean Green Certified cannabis product that it has met all of the requirements of the rigorous program.”

However, they get points taken away in my book for their efforts to crack down on the use of marketing that might be considered “kid friendly.” Our local tribal-owned and operated MJ store has had to remove all their promos (lighters, t-shirts, etc.) featuring their cool Bigfoot with sunglasses mascot, named Doobie Cooper. Today I bought one of the last shirts they’ll have as a collector’s item. My wife made the comparison to some old Joe Camel gear she had back in the heady days before the landmark 90s anti-tobacco legislation.

I get the reasoning. I quit tobacco via vape a few years ago, but support cracking down on fruit flavors and youth-targeted marketing. But if you can’t market your premium legal weed in Washington using a sunglass wearing Bigfoot logo, I believe our Republic has truly lost something. YMMV.

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:55:01pm

re: #456 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Damn. And at the Cleveland Clinic too.

Makes you wonder how many of our care givers and safety and emergency people harbor such hatred and would actually allow that hatred into their jobs.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 12:58:16pm

A reminder, Doctor Who Christmas New Year’s special is on tonight, 8 PM EST
(also, after tonight, no new Who until 2020)

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:02:11pm
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MsJ  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:06:57pm

re: #463 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

A reminder, Doctor Who Christmas New Year’s special is on tonight, 8 PM EST
(also, after tonight, no new Who until 2020)

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How has the new season been received?

Had it been renewed with her as the doctor?

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plansbandc  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:11:07pm

re: #400 goddamnedfrank

Compassion, eh? Let’s take a peek at what he believes in:

WARNING: If you are not a full Trump supporter, go away you have nothing of value to say or listen to. 5L’sSM=LAZY LYING LUNATIC LIBRITARD LAME STREAM MEDIA

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:16:11pm
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Belafon  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:17:12pm

re: #465 MsJ

How has the new season been received?

Had it been renewed with her as the doctor?

Yes, it’s been renewed. I think she’s been accepted, but the writer needs a little work. Broadchurch was great, but the universe is a little bit bigger which just means he needs to learn to make the stories a little bigger.

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:18:26pm

re: #443 Backwoods_Sleuth

Just arrived in #Brasilia for the @jairbolsonaro inauguration. Looking forward to witnessing the peaceful transfer of power in one of Latin America’s strongest democracies.

do you think he’ll ever give it up?

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sagehen  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:19:28pm

re: #454 Ferdinand

Breaking news from our local ganja shop here on Washington’s Kitsap Peninsula: there is a widespread shortage of rolling papers (for joints) on the West Coast. Apparently those greedy bastards in Oregon have used up much of the supply. We recreational consumers are having to buy our marijuana in bud form, or put up with packs of pre-rolled joints that are a mix of brown hemp and regular white papers, completely destroying the aesthetic. It is a travesty, I say!

Are there no bongs in your city? No pipes? No cigarillos you can slice open to reuse those papers?

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dangerman (not a drink named Steve)  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:24:13pm

re: #450 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I don’t like it because it has “Centrists” between “Democrats” and “Republicans” when actually both parties are right-of-center.

re: #389 Very Cool Very Legal Ghost Flea

The reason I dislike that diagram is that is fails to convey how many “centrists” bathe in the same rhetorical latrines as the far right/far left.

it also doesnt begin to recognize that one person can hold disparate opinions on different subject

where does even the simplistic - “liberal on social issues, conservative on fiscal ” fit?
and where do you stick ‘moderate’?
to be continued in a moment…

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b_sharp  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:26:55pm

re: #384 Blind Frog Belly White

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ObserverArt  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:28:09pm

Okay…I will never post the Circle of Derp image again!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:33:50pm

re: #465 MsJ

How has the new season been received?

Had it been renewed with her as the doctor?

It’s average episode viewership in the UK is better than any season with Matt Smith and a significant improvement over Peter Capaldi as the Doctor. Including a 46% improvement in viewership over last season.
But, this season did show a decrease in viewership with each subsequent episode until a slight bump with the last episode

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gocart mozart  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:34:15pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 1, 2019 • 1:40:20pm

re: #468 Belafon

Yes, it’s been renewed. I think she’s been accepted, but the writer needs a little work. Broadchurch was great, but the universe is a little bit bigger which just means he needs to learn to make the stories a little bigger.

I think the ‘mob’ of companions were a bit of a burden.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 1, 2019 • 2:06:44pm

re: #472 b_sharp

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Ferdinand  Jan 1, 2019 • 4:54:38pm

re: #470 sagehen

Oh of course. A lot of folks just do edibles and vapes. We’re a bong home.


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