Dirty Projectors Unplugged: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Dec. 4, 2018 | Bob Boilen — Sometimes the world turns obstacles into magic. When Dirty Projectors let us know they couldn’t make it to the band’s Tiny Desk performance until late in the day, we were sad because the clocks had recently turned back for the fall, we knew that our beautiful, natural light would be gone and it’d be dark. But with candles left over from a late-winter day performance by Rhye — and some LED panels and spots — we were set up right on time for David Longstreth to sing these words: “The sky has darkened, earth turned to hell / Some said a light got shined where darkness dwelt / So I won’t cry or collapse, overwhelmed / Time like a song just might rhyme with itself.” That song, “Right Now,” and the other two tracks from Dirty Projectors’ brilliant 2018 release Lamp Lit Prose, felt more poignant than ever.

Dirty Projectors’ eighth album is often loving and forgiving. It’s full of the quirks of production and rhythm and rhyme that had me fall for their music when I first heard it about a dozen years ago. What’s wonderful about this Tiny Desk Concert is watching these talented people arrange this complicated music without amplification and seeing the joy on their face when it all worked out. Obstacles into magic indeed.

Set List
“That’s a Lifestyle”
“Right Now”
“What Is The Time?”

Band Members
David Longstreth (vocals, guitar), Felicia Douglass (vocals, percussion, keys), Kristin Slipp (vocals, Rhodes, Wurlitzer), Maia Friedman (vocals, guitar), Nat Baldwin (bass), Mike Johnson (drums)

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kaylee Domzalski, Maia Stern, Bronson Arcuri; Production Assistant: Brie Martin; Photo: Cameron Pollack/NPR

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462 comments

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freetoken  Jan 1, 2019 • 9:46:54pm
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freetoken  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:00:39pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:00:46pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:02:42pm

I imagine Trump won’t be happy about this:

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:14:36pm

I really hate when Firefox switches language on Twitter. This time it’s Russian.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:16:37pm

re: #5 Single-handed sailor

I eagerly await the incoming House calling the NASA director to the Hill to explain why he is violating a law put in place by Congress.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:23:10pm

I admire the fact that she didn’t delete it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:23:12pm
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fern01  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:26:31pm

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

I imagine Trump won’t be happy about this:

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Only time trump is happy is when he is hurting people - and right at the moment he is hurting my retirement funding by crashing the markets world wide. I would much appreciate it, if the sane part of the US population & politicians could remove him from office ASAP.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:30:09pm

so annoying, brb, gotta get rid of cache and cookies and something else iirc.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:38:19pm

re: #10 Single-handed sailor

so annoying, brb, gotta get rid of cache and cookies and something else iirc.

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I get interesting results using a VPN. If my IP address is in Japan, I get Japanese trends, for example.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 1, 2019 • 10:45:44pm

Very nice set right there.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:05:55pm

Ann must have skipped con law in law school.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:07:21pm

re: #13 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Ann must have skipped con law in law school.

You cannot convince someone of a thing that their livelihood depends on them not understanding.

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BigPapa  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:10:15pm

re: #12 Eventual Carrion

Very nice set right there.

Was nice, amazed at the talent, sounded Modest Mousey in the nicest way, then turned into something their own. And I’m just through the first song.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:17:11pm

re: #13 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Ann must have skipped con law in law school.

Dan Bogino did too. Citing a well-known source of dispassionate reporting of the news: The Blaze, which itself cited something called Defense Maven, which that author cites himself from being suspended from Facebook about some Blue Lives Matter post he made.

Didn’t leave a link to their article.

In other words, this appears to be manufactured outrage. Another one of those things someone makes up on the right, sees how far it can be spread, and if lucky, makes it to the Big Show on FOX.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:20:08pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

As for The Blaze itself, they blame Black Lives Matter for organising to shut down Freeze Peach on Facebook (a site notorious for not shutting anything down and allowing rampant racism and misogyny).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:24:06pm

re: #16 Anymouse 🌹

Dan Bogino did too. Citing a well-known source of dispassionate reporting of the news: The Blaze, which itself cited something called Defense Maven, which that author cites himself from being suspended from Facebook about some Blue Lives Matter post he made.

Didn’t leave a link to their article.

In other words, this appears to be manufactured outrage. Another one of those things someone makes up on the right, sees how far it can be spread, and if lucky, makes it to the Big Show on FOX.

Every service has a TOS, which spells out what language, etc., the provider of the service considers appropriate. It’s a contract in a sense. User agrees to the TOS in order to use the service. If user breaks the rules of the TOS, provider can kick him off. It’s just basic contractual law. But asshats get their panties all twisted in knots, and accuse the provider of being the “thought police” and other BS.

Now they’re angry at Patreon and PayPal, because PayPal (which processes payments to Patreon accounts) is enforcing its TOS against Patreon accounts that violate PayPal’s rules. It’s like no one is letting these people publish hate speech and incite violence! How horrible!!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:25:48pm

Jess’s poll is not going the way she would like, I bet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:33:01pm

re: #19 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Jess’s poll is not going the way she would like, I bet.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:33:51pm

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:35:44pm

re: #19 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And strangely, here’s the very same poll from a different account name.

Also going opposite the way the OP would prefer.

EDIT: Anymouse got there before I did.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:36:39pm

Kanye has yet to get a cluebat:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:37:32pm

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Kanye has yet to get a cluebat:

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He’s effed up. I’m just ignoring his shit now.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:45:30pm

Coding joke

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:46:06pm

You’re a liar, Falwell, Jr.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:49:05pm

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

He’s morally bankrupt, the very kind of person his supposed Lord and Saviour condemned in the New Testament.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 1, 2019 • 11:57:38pm

Mitt Romney will have a sad.

(Utah Outcasts, caution for coarse language, 6:15)

Mormon “sister missionaries” now get to wear pants.

Mormon Sister Missionaries Can Finally Wear PANTS!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:20:47am

I’m out for the night. I’ve been waiting up for my neighbour to do a water test at his house, but he has not yet come home and I’m too tired. (I can only catch him late at night.)

CUallL8TR.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:11:22am

Mika’s going all in for Mitt this morning.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:30:26am

re: #19 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Jess’s poll is not going the way she would like, I bet.

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EDIT: I see a few of you beat me to it. 😁

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:31:41am

re: #23 Anymouse 🌹

Kanye has yet to get a cluebat:

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Kanye is off his meds again.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:33:37am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

You’re a liar, Falwell, Jr.

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I’d I believed any of this shit, we’d be in Antichrist territory right now.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:33:58am
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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:39:58am

I really way to see this punk in prison.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:50:39am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

You’re a liar, Falwell, Jr.

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Let me guess…his pool boy was poor before Jerry got it on with him and gave him over a million dollars…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:51:59am

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

Mika’s going all in for Mitt this morning.

Did you expect her to do anything else? Like every other DC Gasbag they’re lining up to kiss Mitt’s ass while at the same time telling Hillary to go away…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 4:57:16am

Hah! missed this last week:

All the First Ladies before Melania were trans, according to a dude who’s been retweeted nine times by Donald Trump

@DeepStateExpose’s embrace of the theory may presage even wider acceptance of the preposterous claims on the right. @DeepStateExpose isn’t just some random Twitter troll or bot. He’s got nearly a quarter of a million Twitter followers, including a number of influential voices on the right, among them Dinesh D’Souza, former congressman and radio host Joe Walsh, and TurningPointUSA’s Charlie Kirk. His “first ladies were men” Twitter video has itself been viewed more than 10,000 times.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:00:12am

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

Mika’s going all in for Mitt this morning.

As she should. I see Romney as a 20 contender who will push him from within. He’ll not win but will fracture its base to a degree. I’m all in for competition within the Dump party at this point.

I think a REAL Patriot…. REAL PATRIOT, would run a primary and an independent run to split the Republican vote to let a reasonable Dem win. That’s for the good of the Country. I know…. But one can only dream right?

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:02:06am

Willard sounding “tough” before he joins the rest of the GOP in inevitably folding to the will of The Don. *yawn* After a year of Flake and Corker playing that role, I’m gonna need way more than an op-ed.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:02:27am

Here’s something to take your mind off US politics for a few minutes — a young woman from Belarus who has become an Internet sensation in China by making short beauty videos using Douyin (TikTok).

Meet Alla: A Belarusian Social-Media Influencer In China | ASIAN BOSS

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:05:34am

re: #38 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I wonder if this guy has adopted the attitude of some Flat Earth proponents, to make outrageous claims just for the lulz.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:14:41am

And we’re off. -SPLIT. THE. PARTY-
.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:16:21am

re: #43 Dave In Austin

And we’re off. -SPLIT. THE. PARTY-
.

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Corporate Republicans vs. nutjobs

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:16:38am
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Dizzy  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:19:15am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:20:11am

Not to be a Debbie Downer or anything, but it looks like some storm clouds are forming on the economic horizon:

US markets are expected to follow Europe down, according to futures prices an hour and a half before the opening bell.

Futures for the S&P 500 and the Dow Jones Industrial Average are both down by 1.2%.

A fall in Chinese demand, as evidenced by the Caixin manufacturing purchasing managers index (PMI) reading from earlier in the day, could have significant consequences for the US’s giant multinationals. Investor sentiment in the US has been dented in recent months by the threat of an escalation of a trade war between the US and China as well as rising borrowing costs and political gridlock in Washington.

theguardian.com

Looks like China’s economy is slowing down and of course, that’ll have repercussions in the rest of the world as well.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:43:45am

The driving narrative in its head is “I want my Name and face on it, and I want to see it from space, just like the chinese guy. What’s his name again?”.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:51:15am

re: #48 Dave In Austin

Much of the Wall has already been fully renovated or built. We have done a lot of work.

WTF is he babbling about?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:52:32am

re: #48 Dave In Austin

The driving narrative in its head is “I want my Name and face on it, and I want to see it from space, just like the chinese guy. What’s his name again?”.

I see. We’ve already built the Wall and Mexico paid for it except for this little bit of money here to put your name in ALL CAPS on both sides and on top of the Great Wall.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:53:06am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

WTF is he babbling about?

Same thing as every other Infrastructure Week.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:54:30am

re: #40 Targetpractice

Willard sounding “tough” before he joins the rest of the GOP in inevitably folding to the will of The Don. *yawn* After a year of Flake and Corker playing that role, I’m gonna need way more than an op-ed.

I can’t wait for all the concern to be dripping off of mittens. He might even write a strongly worded letter (but not too strong else he endures the wrath of the great orange one which no republican wants).

This, along with morning joke, david frum, bill krystol, et fucking al, is why the republican party must die, its ashes salted, encased in concrete and sent to the bottom of the mariana trench.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:55:24am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Here’s something to take your mind off US politics for a few minutes — a young woman from Belarus who has become an Internet sensation in China by making short beauty videos using Douyin (TikTok).

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I would love nothing more than 2019 being the year that “social media influencer” stops being a thing.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:55:27am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

WTF is he babbling about?

If it’s already built or renovated, why does he need another $5B?

Spoiler alert: it has not already been renovated or built.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:56:54am

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Trump will be like…

Best Whack A Mole Game Ever!!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 5:58:56am

re: #54 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

If it’s already built or renovated, why does he need another $5B?

Spoiler alert: it has not already been renovated or built.

If I understand correctly, “artistically designed steel slats” (minus the points) have been going in at strategic points since long before his time.

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steve_davis  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:13:11am

re: #19 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Jess’s poll is not going the way she would like, I bet.

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someone points out a few posts down that “Jesse” is using a photo of a Swedish supermodel for his icon.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:14:19am

re: #57 steve_davis

someone points out a few posts down that “Jesse” is using a photo of a Swedish supermodel for his icon.

There are like three different maga bots using that pic. Pretty blond women are the go to fox news russian connection.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:15:19am

Surprising absolutely no one.

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steve_davis  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:16:04am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

You’re a liar, Falwell, Jr.

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“a poor person never gave anyone charity….”

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:18:20am

I think I love her.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:18:36am

re: #60 steve_davis

“a poor person never gave anyone charity….”

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

That last bit is what Falwell and his ilk don’t get, and don’t do.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:20:28am

So sad to hear that Reid is dying. SIGH.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:21:03am

re: #60 steve_davis

“a poor person never gave anyone charity….”

Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.

43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.”

If you really want to see how “charitable” the rich are, just end tax write-offs for charitable contributions. Guarantee you that, within a year, charitable donation figures will take a nose dive.

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jeffreyw  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:21:04am

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Good morning!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:23:02am

re: #59 MsJ

Surprising absolutely no one.

whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout whatabout

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:31:17am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:33:53am

Email bulletin from the Washington Post:

Dow drops more than 350 points at start of the new year on fears of global slowdown
Global markets retreated and volatility resumed in 2019 as new data on Chinese manufacturing showed that the world’s second biggest economy may be slowing.

So much winning!

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:35:27am

An interesting comment about Warren Running from Anne Laurie:

But it’s not a small thing that every minute the Cosplay Socialists and their MAGAt playmates and the Media Horse-Race Touts spend attacking Warren — Pocahontas! Schoolmarm! Fumbling! SKREEEE! — is a minute they’re not targeting Kamala Harris / Kristen Gillibrand / Amy Klobuchar / Beto O’Rourke / AnyOtherDemocraticCandidate. I wasn’t 100% convinced about her potential candidacy until I attended one of her (many) town halls last fall; she’s damned impressive in person, and I suspect a lot of the Savvy Cultists are gonna be unpleasantly surprised at how many primary voters aren’t impressed by their ‘wisdom’ regarding her.

And some tweet’s she’s found:

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:35:35am

re: #59 MsJ

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fern01  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:36:07am

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

Mika’s going all in for Mitt this morning.

MJ always trying to prove the problem is trump - not republicans- when the next democratic president is elected the show will return to being pro the GOP

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:37:28am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

WTF is he babbling about?

He is “selling” his unbuilt Wall to vestors (the US taxpayers) by claiming that it is “already built” the same way that he sold his apartment buildings by having the bulldozers ride back and forth across the lot all day, pretending to be “building something”

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:37:58am

re: #59 MsJ

Surprising absolutely no one.

We need to tell all the NRA members that they didn’t take donations, they took payments for member lists.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:38:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Happy new year, and here’s hoping this one is better than the last.

Trump’s already reeking nonsensical ravings this morning about the wall, and it’s more of the usual.

Every last word of his nonsensical tweets are bogus. Only his base doesn’t care, and he knows that too.

That’s not so much gaslighting by trump as Iraqi oil fields ablaze gaslighting.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:39:35am

re: #14 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

You cannot convince someone of a thing that their livelihood depends on them not understanding.

…to admit a thing…depends on them not admitting

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:44:11am

re: #55 MsJ

Trump will be like…

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Video

Nope.

Trump would miss every time.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:45:03am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

He is “selling” his unbuilt Wall to vestors (the US taxpayers) by claiming that it is “already built” the same way that he sold his apartment buildings by having the bulldozers ride back and forth across the lot all day, pretending to be “building something”

LOL because it’s true.

From the point of a view of a swindler, Trump’s hit the jackpot with this scam……an army of the brain-dead who see him as some sort of messiah. If he could’ve hustled these rubes, let’s say, 20 years ago, he really would be one of the richest men in the world right now. And even better? His marks would be tickled to death about getting fleeced: “See how Trump drained my bank account and I’m sleeping in a cardboard box while he’s living in a penthouse suite? That’s ‘cuz he’s such a smart businessman!!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:45:04am

re: #63 Patricia Kayden

So sad to hear that Reid is dying. SIGH.

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Didn’t know he had pancreatic cancer. That one is one of the worst. Agh. He ain’t wrong about Trump.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:46:01am

re: #26 Anymouse 🌹

You’re a liar, Falwell, Jr.

Mr. Falwell might need to go read Acts again, where the woman who gave the last of what little money she had was rewarded but the right who lied about their worth died right then.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:46:01am

re: #76 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope.

Trump would miss every time.

And the beat of the moles sounds like the drums from I don’t care anymore by Phil Collins.

Phil Collins - I Don’t Care Anymore (Official Music Video)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:47:22am

The MAGA trolls with polls are stealing identities again. Could the Russians be collecting data for 2020?

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:47:50am
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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:49:32am

re: #81 GlutenFreeJesus

The MAGA trolls with polls are stealing identities again. Could the Russians be collecting data for 2020?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:50:03am

re: #18 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Every service has a TOS, which spells out what language, etc., the provider of the service considers appropriate. It’s a contract in a sense. User agrees to the TOS in order to use the service. If user breaks the rules of the TOS, provider can kick him off. It’s just basic contractual law. But asshats get their panties all twisted in knots, and accuse the provider of being the “thought police” and other BS.

Now they’re angry at Patreon and PayPal, because PayPal (which processes payments to Patreon accounts) is enforcing its TOS against Patreon accounts that violate PayPal’s rules. It’s like no one is letting these people publish hate speech and incite violence! How horrible!!

further many of these people are the same ones that push “i should be able to sell to whoever i want (or not)” - cakes and such

there is a very good argument to be made, and mostly conservatives make it, that web sites are private property and not public accommodations

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:50:42am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

He is “selling” his unbuilt Wall to vestors (the US taxpayers) by claiming that it is “already built” the same way that he sold his apartment buildings by having the bulldozers ride back and forth across the lot all day, pretending to be “building something”

Yep. The same play that Junior and Evita played while trying to sell one of the Manhattan properties.

It almost got them indicted, if not for a timely payoff to the Manhattan DA.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:51:20am

re: #83 MsJ

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They’re not wrong. The blonde who looks like your daughter and or fantasy spouting off rw bs talking points has been a thing since at least the 90’s.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:54:49am

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy Uncle under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:54:56am

re: #84 dangerman

further many of these people are the same ones that push “i should be able to sell to whoever i want (or not)” - cakes and such

there is a very good argument to be made, and mostly conservatives make it, that web sites are private property and not public accommodations

Right. They don’t make the connection at all.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:56:29am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

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Looking at her picture…she looks like a blond version of Sarah Huckabee.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:58:11am

re: #67 MsJ

Sounds like a lot.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:58:35am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

Wow. Ronna really wants to keep that job.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2019 • 6:59:40am

Correction: Ronna is Mitt’s niece, not his daughter.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:00:15am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy Uncle under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

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I wonder if she realizes that her career pretty much ends the moment Donny leaves? That she’s gonna end up being one those who are thrown under the bus in the hopes of removing the stink of that orange turd from the party?

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:00:47am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

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Uncle.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:00:51am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

For an incoming Republican freshman senator to attack @realdonaldtrump as their first act feeds into what the Democrats and media want and is disappointing and unproductive.
— Ronna McDaniel

IOW, the truth doesn’t matter, only partisan advantage.

Guess we can expect a party’s spokesperson to say as much, but it’s worth noting nonetheless.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:01:05am

re: #93 Targetpractice

I wonder if she realizes that her career pretty much ends the moment Donny leaves? That she’s gonna end up being one those who are thrown under the bus in the hopes of removing the stink of that orange turd from the party?

If she realized that, she wouldn’t be a Trump shill.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:01:57am

re: #79 Belafon

Mr. Falwell might need to go read Acts again, where the woman who gave the last of what little money she had was rewarded but the right who lied about their worth died right then.

Mr. Falwell is too busy perusing Penthouse letters to get tips on playing with his pool boy.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:02:09am

re: #93 Targetpractice

I wonder if she realizes that her career pretty much ends the moment Donny leaves? That she’s gonna end up being one those who are thrown under the bus in the hopes of removing the stink of that orange turd from the party?

“I never knew or talked to the president. I was one of the good guys trying to lessen his worst instincts, I hardly knew the guy, etc”.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:02:16am

Donald Trump does lack character. Mitt Romney is the wrong person to say it but he’s not wrong and Ronna and Donald crying about it isn’t going to change that.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:02:31am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

“I never knew or talked to the president. I was one of the good guys trying to lessen his worst instincts, I hardly knew the guy, etc”.

“I’m a Good Republican!”

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:03:18am

re: #93 Targetpractice

I wonder if she realizes that her career pretty much ends the moment Donny leaves? That she’s gonna end up being one those who are thrown under the bus in the hopes of removing the stink of that orange turd from the party?

You’d think that after two years and the trail of human wreckage Trump is leaving behind him, some of the smarter ones would get a clue. Guess not.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:03:32am

re: #93 Targetpractice

I wonder if she realizes that her career pretty much ends the moment Donny leaves? That she’s gonna end up being one those who are thrown under the bus in the hopes of removing the stink of that orange turd from the party?

I can’t wait until she quits or his forced out for some reason or another and she quickly publishes a tell all about how bad DJT is and how she was a lone hero fighting against his abuses.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:04:07am

re: #102 Sir John Barron

I can’t wait until she quits or his forced out for some reason or another and she quickly publishes a tell all about how bad DJT is and how she was a lone hero fighting against his abuses.

Like trump…all loyalty until there is none.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:05:26am

re: #101 makeitstop

You’d think that after two years and the trail of human wreckage Trump is leaving behind him, some of the smarter ones would get a clue. Guess not.

Leopards would never eat MY face!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:06:15am

re: #102 Sir John Barron

I can’t wait until she quits or his forced out for some reason or another and she quickly publishes a tell all about how bad DJT is and how she was a lone hero fighting against his abuses.

It will happen.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:12:21am

Didn’t somebody used to rail about how the system is rigged? I seem to remember that…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:12:29am

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:15:32am

re: #106 makeitstop

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Didn’t somebody used to rail about how the system is rigged? I seem to remember that…

Oh? How very democratic of them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:15:35am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:16:32am

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

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It pretty much is.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:18:00am

re: #110 HappyWarrior

It pretty much is.

I can still remember when he was third rate DJ “Jeff Christie” at Pittsburgh’s WIXZ and he got booted when he got caught doing something naughty!

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:18:44am
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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:20:29am

re: #98 Sir John Barron

“I never knew or talked to the president. I was one of the good guys trying to lessen his worst instincts, I hardly knew the guy, etc”.

I was a coffee girl.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:20:39am

Why I will never go to OZ.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:22:23am

re: #111 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can still remember when he was third rate DJ “Jeff Christie” at Pittsburgh’s WIXZ and he got booted when he got caught doing something naughty!

As long as you don’t say “booger” on the air, you’re OK.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:22:54am

I have to agree. Romney is done. This OpEd is going to kill him unless he sucks up to trump.

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John Vreeland  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:26:46am

I am amused by the persistent belief that Donald Trump is secretly fighting an international child prostitution ring headquartered in the secret (non-existent) basement of a (real, local) pizza restaurant, that and any day now Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will be arrested for child trafficking.

Also, Donald Trump is secretly fighting Skynet (according to Alex Jones), an idea which has the advantage of not taking place anywhere that you can freely walk in and examine for yourself.

I understand the appeal of comic book heroes, but having grown up in NY with Donald Trump in the news, being who he is… he cannot have picked a better public identity. So apparently his decades of being a corrupt, tasteless, uncharitable “short-fingered vulgarian”, a malignant narcissist and “the original bloviator,” was just a charade to protect his identity as… what? Uber Orange? Orang-Utan? What is his super-hero name? Does he wear tights? I do not want to see that.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:28:18am

So this accused spy in Russia, whose brother insists it couldn’t possibly be true…

His brother actually wouldn’t know, right?

So as sketchy as Russia is, and as likely as it is that this is a ploy to trade for Butina, calling him innocent and this whole thing a setup is just a hypothesis in the absence of evidence?

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:29:28am

GREAT thread.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:32:35am

re: #116 MsJ

I have to agree. Romney is done. This OpEd is going to kill him unless he sucks up to trump.

Typical, clumsy Mittens maneuver. He thinks he’s setting himself up to be the ‘moderate’ to take on Trump in 2020, but he played that card way too early. He should have waited until things really started going to shit, probably sometime in the summer.

Besides, Kasich was way ahead of him, and was able to do it from a spot where Trump couldn’t get to him - a governorship. The RNC is going to have Mitt cleaning toilets in the capitol before long.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:34:11am

re: #116 MsJ

He already sucked up to Trump. Remember their dinner date after Trump won? I have no idea why he is criticizing Trump now but it rings very hollow.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:35:29am

I remember when the media were gushing over Flake and Corker, talking up how their speeches were the beginning of the rise of the “NeverTrump” faction of the GOP who would prove a thorn in his side going forward.

Whatever happened to that? Oh, right, they made a lot of noise, but when the time to vote came they fell in line.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:35:41am
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jeffreyw  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:38:08am

re: #112 MsJ

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Some things that jumped out at me from that story:

Democrats will revive the “Gephardt Rule,” named for former House Democratic leader Rep. Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., that automatically raises the debt ceiling — the nation’s borrowing limit — once the House passes a budget.

Additionally, Democrats are changing the rules regarding motions “to vacate the chair,” a procedural tool that could be used to force out a sitting House Speaker.

-The creation of a new committee to address climate change. The panel will not have subpoena power or the ability to introduce legislation so it will not be as powerful as a similar committee created by Pelosi during the previous Democratic majority from 2007 to 2010, but the issue is expected to be a major priority for the party’s progressive wing.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:39:07am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:43:38am

re: #114 MsJ

Lol! Sounds like me. I have RAID in every room because I’m terrified of bugs. Poor guy.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:44:50am

re: #124 jeffreyw

Some things that jumped out at me from that story:

Yes. I was quite pleased reading that story.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:45:37am

re: #126 Patricia Kayden

Lol! Sounds like me. I have RAID in every room because I’m terrified of bugs. Poor guy.

You and me both!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:45:43am

re: #43 Dave In Austin

And we’re off. -SPLIT. THE. PARTY-
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The most seflish, narcissistic, unempathetic President in history telling someone to “be a team player”.

God, he’s such an asshole.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:49:24am

Pelosi needs to call McConnell’s bluff. Republicans do not have the upper hand.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:50:45am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

Pelosi needs to call McConnell’s bluff. Republicans do not have the upper hand.

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Well, this can be read one of two ways: It’s Mitch being his usual dickish self, or it’s Mitch putting Trump on the spot by saying “This can all end if he’ll just agree to sign this bill.”

Neither reading is particularly positive.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:52:05am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

So, what McConnell is saying that he’s okay with a GOP shutdown because he’s covering for Trump too.

A clean CR passed the GOP controlled senate previously. McConnell is talking shit again hoping no one remembers (and sadly, he’s probably right since the media will try to both sides the fuck out of this situation to hit Pelosi and Democrats, when they’ve got the upper hand and are clearly in the right).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 2, 2019 • 7:53:43am

re: #123 lawhawk

Demolition Man - Taco Bell - HD

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:00:13am

re: #123 lawhawk

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Taco sauce tyranny.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:01:10am

I’m finally watching Handmaid’s Tale, still early in the first season. The doctor Offred gets sent to, who offers to impregnate her (presumably the old-fashioned way?) since her commander probably can’t… looks like Eric Erickson. I wonder if the casting director did that on purpose.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:03:34am

re: #123 lawhawk

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I dunno, I felt like it the third time I got home with a couple of “Tostada Salads” from Taco Time, to find no salad dressing. That time they even came back on the blower to verify what kind of dressing I wanted, so I assumed…but you know what you do when you assume.

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:16:34am

re: #30 Barefoot Grin

Mika’s going all in for Mitt this morning.

I haven’t watched Morning Joke in many months. Just couldn’t take the smarm any longer.

And you know what…I feel better not starting my morning by checking them like I used to to see what the day’s talking points are going to be.

I guess Mika likes Mitt because he is not Trump, and that contrast alone makes Mitt something. That is a pretty thin reason, especially since everyone (like Mika) seems to forget his actual feeling about the people of this country.

But hey, no problem…that comment about the 47% back in the 2012 election (below)…

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” Romney said in the video. “All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

…was all an innocent mistake brought on by the tough times that come from running a campaign.

Yeah right Mitt. You are a lying sack of shit. You know that comment was exactly what you intended and it is no mistake because the Republican party thinks that way and have for some time.

Romney: I was very upset after 47% remark

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:20:02am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

Repubs really have forgotten who gets to appropriate money. Senate passed a veto-proof bill; Pelosi is going to put forward one that is basically the same.

Mitch…
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:23:09am

Let’s be honest with ourselves about what the future holds: once Trump leaves office (however/whenever it may be), the short-memoried American public will revert to type and a Romney-like candidate (won’t be Romney) will take office, pursuing exactly the same domestic policy as Trump. The American public will applaud him because he will be polite and civil and he won’t tweet insults. He will follow historical pre-Trump foreign policy and trade policy.

Romney’s editorial was far weaker than anything Flake said. But then Romney is nothing but an empty suit, with a facade that looks Presidential. Just another rich man trying to keep the wealth in the family.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:27:12am

Romney is part of the problem not the solution.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:29:25am

Romney flirted with bitherism. Romney ran until Trump the most xenophobic campaign. Romney hired Kobach. Romney’s son talked about punching Obama. Romney treated Trump like a legitimate voice longer than not. Fuck Romney.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:38:59am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:39:06am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Romney flirted with bitherism. Romney ran until Trump the most xenophobic campaign. Romney hired Kobach. Romney’s son talked about punching Obama. Romney treated Trump like a legitimate voice longer than not. Fuck Romney.

I hadn’t realized that. Hired Kobach for what?

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:39:37am
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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:44:26am

re: #87 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know Ronna will throw her own Daddy Uncle under the bus to prove loyalty to Her Liege Lord

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I bet Ronna and Uncle Mitt have discussed all of this before she made that tweet. They both know having the power of the presidential office can withstand a little poking between relatives. It’s all in the (Republican) family.

Mitt probably benefited greatly from the 2018 tax cuts. And he probably see some other Trump policy as good for his bottom line. So he knows he can poke Trump a bit as he has cover now as a new Senator.

He is positioning himself for either a run in 2020, or as the Senator unafraid of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:44:26am

re: #143 Sir John Barron

I hadn’t realized that. Hired Kobach for what?

Immigration policy adviser.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:44:48am

re: #142 lawhawk

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Yep sigh.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:49:39am

re: #144 lawhawk

Maybe the neighbor should have had a bullet-proof window.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:50:02am

re: #146 HappyWarrior

Immigration policy adviser.

smh

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:50:28am

re: #148 Sir John Barron

Maybe the neighbor should have had a bullet-proof window.

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The only solution is for her to pack heat so she can shoot back.//

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:51:48am

re: #144 lawhawk

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Another shitstain that doesn’t follow the golden shooting rule, “Know what is behind your target”. NRA used to teach that in their classes. Guess not so much anymore.

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2019 • 8:51:54am

re: #109 Joe Bacon 🌹

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It seems like Tim Ryan has decided he is going to be a Democrat junk yard dog. It really is a good task for him. He can be rather blunt, he has the commanding voice and he has the look.

Go get ‘em Tim! Take back that northeastern corner of Ohio and maybe Ohio can help dump Trump.

Bark! Bark!

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:01:07am

re: #151 Eventual Carrion

Another shitstain that doesn’t follow the golden shooting rule, “Know what is behind your target”. NRA used to teach that in their classes. Guess not so much anymore.

NRA… you mean the Notable Russia Admirers? That organization that puts selling guns ahead of all other goals?

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:02:32am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Romney flirted with bitherism. Romney ran until Trump the most xenophobic campaign. Romney hired Kobach. Romney’s son talked about punching Obama. Romney treated Trump like a legitimate voice longer than not. Fuck Romney.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:02:55am

Back in the day when the NRA used to represent actual rifle owners instead of manufacturers, they were super-environmentalist. Deer hunters and duck hunters were *passionate* about habitat preservation.

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ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:04:02am

re: #153 lawhawk

NRA… you mean the Notable Russia Admirers? That organization that puts selling guns ahead of all other goals?

Don’t forget their role as Russian money distributors to Republican candidates. A very important function apparently.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:04:26am

re: #155 sagehen

Back in the day when the NRA used to represent actual rifle owners instead of manufacturers, they were super-environmentalist. Deer hunters and duck hunters were *passionate* about habitat preservation.

The 2d Amendment isn’t about hunting! Its about shooting the brown people when they try to swarm your compound!///

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:05:28am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:08:27am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:08:49am

re: #144 lawhawk

Backyard gun ranges are legal* in Florida
(if residential density is less than one dwelling per acre)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:11:05am

re: #144 lawhawk

A member of our well regulated militia props a bottle up against some mulch in his backyard and shoots his @SmithWessonCorp handgun at it for target practice. He misses the bottle and shoots his neighbor who was inside her home sitting at her dining table.

say it with me
he has demonstration loss of control of his weapon
proof: he was aiming at a bottle. instead he “shoots his neighbor who was inside her home sitting at her dining table”

consequences:
jail
stiff fines
civil liability
loss of 2a rights forever

there is only one rule:
control your weapon at all times or accept the consequences to your freedom, finances and future

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:11:54am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:23:00am

At a New Year’s Day party yesterday, I spoke to 2 acquaintances, Democrats who are both academics about 2020. They were shocked at my disdain for Bernie though they agreed that he was too old. They are both white (as though that is a surprise!)

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William Lewis  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:28:46am

re: #163 Hecuba’s daughter

At a New Year’s Day party yesterday, I spoke to 2 acquaintances, Democrats who are both academics about 2020. They were shocked at my disdain for Bernie though they agreed that he was too old. They are both white (as though that is a surprise!)

It shocks local Dems when I call out Bernie’s racism - I think it’s almost like a White privilege issue. But I have an Asian son and I’m touchy about it.

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gwangung  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:30:59am

re: #164 William Lewis

It shocks local Dems when I call out Bernie’s racism - I think it’s almost like a White privilege issue. But I have an Asian son and I’m touchy about it.

There is a wide swath of white racism in the Democratic party…a hell of a lot of Dems are contemptuous and dismissive of the concerns of Native Americans with Elizabeth Warren, for example.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:33:15am

Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable.

He believes his own hype and his know nothing sycophants think this is how to govern.

Trump is a fucking toddler who thinks that he’s winning via trade wars, giving up leverage with North Korea, and Russia continues to play him. He thinks he’s winning - and everyone else is taking advantage of him - or using him - with his consent.

Either way, Trump remains a clear and present danger to the nation.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:36:27am

re: #166 lawhawk

Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable.

He believes his own hype and his know nothing sycophants think this is how to govern.

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Trump is a fucking toddler who thinks that he’s winning via trade wars, giving up leverage with North Korea, and Russia continues to play him. He thinks he’s winning - and everyone else is taking advantage of him - or using him - with his consent.

Either way, Trump remains a clear and present danger to the nation.

Somebody must have said something he doesn’t like, because he’s got his arms in the defensive posture again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:36:57am

re: #165 gwangung

There is a wide swath of white racism in the Democratic party…a hell of a lot of Dems are contemptuous and dismissive of the concerns of Native Americans with Elizabeth Warren, for example.

Warren took pride in the family stories of her possible Native American heritage. It’s not unusual for people to boast of their ancestral ties, however tenuous they may be, with other groups or people of note. What has she done to disparage Native Americans? It seems that it was only Trump who tried to do that.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:37:42am

Oh, and that cabinet meeting? 30% of the people in his “cabinet” are acting officials. They don’t have confirmed positions, because Trump’s working with more turnover than all of his predecessors.

This is the Trumptanic, and he’s busy floating a fucking meme from months ago.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:37:49am

re: #165 gwangung

There is a wide swath of white racism in the Democratic party…a hell of a lot of Dems are contemptuous and dismissive of the concerns of Native Americans with Elizabeth Warren, for example.

Even if you take into account the racism from some of us who fail from time to time, there’s still a group who just don’t believe they are being racist. Most of them, like Sanders, tend to fall into the “if we take care of the economy, race relations will improve” group.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:38:00am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Warren took pride in the family stories of her possible Native American heritage. It’s not unusual for people to boast of their ancestral ties, however tenuous they may be, with other groups or people of note. What has she done to disparage Native Americans? It seems that it was only Trump who tried to do that.

I had been told my family had native american ancestry. Then my brother got one of those dna tests, and it was 100% european.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:38:14am

re: #166 lawhawk

Unfu… nope. Totally fucking believable.

He believes his own hype and his know nothing sycophants think this is how to govern.

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Trump is a fucking toddler who thinks that he’s winning via trade wars, giving up leverage with North Korea, and Russia continues to play him. He thinks he’s winning - and everyone else is taking advantage of him - or using him - with his consent.

Either way, Trump remains a clear and present danger to the nation.

I cannot read the poster. What does it say?

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:38:18am

re: #166 lawhawk

What’s on the poster?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:38:23am
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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:40:13am
“…Shortly after officials from his administration announced the reimposition of sanctions on Iran, President Trump sought to drive the point home in a highly unconventional fashion: by tweeting out what looked like a poster promoting a new movie.

“SANCTIONS ARE COMING NOVEMBER 5,” it said, superimposed over a photo of a stern-looking president gazing into the distance.”

washingtonpost.com

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:41:10am

re: #172 MsJ

It’s “Sanctions are coming” with Trump - a play on Game of Thrones.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:41:11am
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fern01  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:41:29am

re: #169 lawhawk

Oh, and that cabinet meeting? 30% of the people in his “cabinet” are acting officials. They don’t have confirmed positions, because Trump’s working with more turnover than all of his predecessors.

This is the Trumptanic, and he’s busy floating a fucking meme from months ago.

He also has no-one sane who wants to work for him, hence the “acting” while his minions beg people to want the vacant positions

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:41:59am
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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:43:15am

Ryan Zinke, Donald Trump, and the death of official penmanship.

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gwangung  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:43:29am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Warren took pride in the family stories of her possible Native American heritage. It’s not unusual for people to boast of their ancestral ties, however tenuous they may be, with other groups or people of note. What has she done to disparage Native Americans? It seems that it was only Trump who tried to do that.

A lot of her methodology is similar to “pretend-Indians”; never involved with a tribe, never registered with a tribe, not a supporter of native cultural efforts, but take a DNA test to “prove” their ancestry. For example, she did little work with native leaders on Standing Rock.

Native folks are VERY resentful of this sort of behavior, and it’s clear Warren isn’t cognizant of that resentment, which is not a good look.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:43:32am

re: #175 jaunte

re: #176 lawhawk

What sanctions? On whom?

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:43:43am

re: #182 MsJ

Iran.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:48:36am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:49:47am
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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:51:51am

re: #181 gwangung

A lot of her methodology is similar to “pretend-Indians”; never involved with a tribe, never registered with a tribe, not a supporter of native cultural efforts, but take a DNA test to “prove” their ancestry. For example, she did little work with native leaders on Standing Rock.

Native folks are VERY resentful of this sort of behavior, and it’s clear Warren isn’t cognizant of that resentment, which is not a good look.

Well, she’d never actually tried to benefit from her heritage, and only took the test in reponse to Trump’s taunting, and released the results. Her stories sound an awful lot like stories I heard, including my mom’s side of the family being related to Wyatt Earp.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:54:23am

re: #164 William Lewis

It shocks local Dems when I call out Bernie’s racism - I think it’s almost like a White privilege issue. But I have an Asian son and I’m touchy about it.

I think a lot of white Dems don’t realize how race tone deaf he really is.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 9:55:53am
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jeffreyw  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:02:35am

re: #168 Hecuba’s daughter

Warren took pride in the family stories of her possible Native American heritage. It’s not unusual for people to boast of their ancestral ties, however tenuous they may be, with other groups or people of note. What has she done to disparage Native Americans? It seems that it was only Trump who tried to do that.

My mother always said that there was an “Indian Princess” in her line. To be fair, she managed to trace her ancestry back to a French captain who received a land grant from the king sometime in the 1700s so the chance of a subsequent marriage* with a native american was not out of the question.

* for some definitions of marriage

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:04:08am
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gwangung  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:04:51am

re: #186 Belafon

Well, she’d never actually tried to benefit from her heritage, and only took the test in reponse to Trump’s taunting, and released the results. Her stories sound an awful lot like stories I heard, including my mom’s side of the family being related to Wyatt Earp.

Well, it’s the fact that she’s using the same methods as folks who ARE trying to exploit that bit of ancestry, and isn’t acknowledging the harm that’s being done or trying to mitigate it that shows it’s not a good tactic to use (and still fall back on the coalition of POCs that are so key to Democratic hopes).

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:05:05am

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Much of the wall has already been built. Yeah, by GWB and Obama. About 660 miles.
Trump hasn’t added to that number. He’s modified a few miles with a taller fence. That’s it.

If he’s done so much work already, then he’s even more clueless than we give him credit for. Much more likely - he knows his know nothing base believes everything else he says, so if he says it’s done, then they think he did it.

There’s little to no benefit for national security here. Border crossings are down. There’s no terror threat coming from Mexico (there have been documented cases of terrorists entering via Canada - not Mexico). But Trump isn’t pushing for a wall with Canada - mostly because they’re white and European, and Mexico is nearly all nonwhite and non-native English speaking.

There’s no cost benefit analysis where Trump comes out ahead on the wall. It’s just blustering with BS.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:08:25am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:08:42am

re: #160 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Backyard gun ranges are legal* in Florida
(if residential density is less than one dwelling per acre)

re: #144 lawhawk

No more twitter for me, but a little Google mapping is very illustrative here.

Shhoters house is at the top, red circle around homes shown as on the victims street.

The danger is pretty damn obvious here. I know sponsored pro target shooters that have backyard ranges here in California. Mulch was never the backstop. Ten foot berms and some way to cover the “blue sky” as we call it with a barrier(s) They know it’s over if one bullet gets away and damages property let alone a living being.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:09:31am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:11:29am

re: #193 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

BTW, has the Donnie tweeted or said anything about the American arrested/detained in Russia?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:12:18am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Those two aren’t Mavericks in the slightest. When has Sasse actively opposed a key Trump policy or nominee? Republicans who opposed Nixon’s Vietnam policies or later those who opposed Bork. That’s a maverick. Sasse and Romney are all talk, no substance.

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Teukka  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:12:25am

So this scrolled by in my FB feed…

A new twist on the duck/rabbit picture…
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:12:28am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

BTW, has the Donnie tweeted or said anything about the American arrested/detained in Russia?

Don’t think so.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:16:59am

re: #198 Teukka

Giphy

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Nyet  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:17:24am

Haha, I actually like this musically.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:21:41am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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The media has to find some means of balance, so they give credence to this idea that there is a “resistance” within the GOP towards Trump rather than the reality: These are men who are talking a lot of shit but when the cameras are turned away will vote for his bills and his nominees because they’re scared shitless of their wingnut base.

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William Lewis  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:23:31am

re: #187 HappyWarrior

I think a lot of white Dems don’t realize how race tone deaf he really is.

Hell, I didn’t want to believe it at first and defended him here till after the Wisconsin primary (though I had started wondering by then).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:24:27am

Heh! Dok Zoom calls Mittens’ op-ed “toothless hand-wringing flutterpation”. I’ve got to start writing this stuff down.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:25:58am

re: #204 William Lewis

Hell, I didn’t want to believe it at first and defended him here till after the Wisconsin primary (though I had started wondering by then).

I didn’t either but his and his campaign’s actions in the southern primaries and their aftermath really woke me up big time.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:26:53am

We spent the better part of 2 years hearing about how “moderate” Republicans were going to break ranks with Trump, yet the only notable instance was the infamous McCain “thumbs down.” Every other instance, we got a lot of hemming and hawing before the inevitable cave to pressure from party leadership to toe the line.

Oh, I’m sorry, Flake did finally produce a result…in the last weeks of his term when it didn’t really matter because the nominees will just be put back before the Judiciary Committee and approved this year.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:27:04am

So glad Daniel Dale is back on twitter:

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Nyet  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:27:27am

re: #201 Nyet

And yeah, her texts are metal.

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:31:08am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

Trump says, without evidence, there are probably 30-35 million people in the United States illegally

Current US population: 325.7 million people. He’s arguing that somewhere around 10% of the total population of the nation is here illegally/undocumented?

That seems… high.

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:32:36am

re: #210 KGxvi

Current US population: 325.7 million people. He’s arguing that somewhere around 10% of the total population of the nation is here illegally/undocumented?

That seems… high.

Not only is it totally out of line with pretty much every single official estimate, but how does he expect to remove 10% of the population from the US economy and not lead to a massive crash that would make the Depression pale by comparison?

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:35:00am

re: #211 Targetpractice

Not only is it totally out of line with pretty much every single official estimate, but how does he expect to remove 10% of the population from the US economy and not lead to a massive crash that would make the Depression pale by comparison?

Yeah, he’s only off by about 7% of the total population:

The study, published by the Pew Research Center on Tuesday, put the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States at 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

My shocked face, this is it.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:35:11am

re: #170 Belafon

Even if you take into account the racism from some of us who fail from time to time, there’s still a group who just don’t believe they are being racist. Most of them, like Sanders, tend to fall into the “if we take care of the economy, race relations will improve” group.

there is a group who undoubtedly feels “we cant be racist, we’re democrats”

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jeffreyw  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:35:38am

…or, as we say here in the Heartland: Yum! Spaghetti!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:36:06am

Well given what he said about employment rates before he was elected. It’s clear he doesn’t live in any kind of reality. Not that his supporters care.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:36:09am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

So glad Daniel Dale is back on twitter:

Ah, Cabinet Meeting Time. Have we reached the part where all the cabinet appointees have to grovel before Hurr Orange, thanking him for their jobs and how Big and Beautiful his presidency has been?

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Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:37:02am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

Well given what he said about employment rates before he was elected. It’s clear he doesn’t live in any kind of reality. Not that his supporters care.

He’s saying this shit because it’s what his base not only wants to hear, but what it desperately wants to believe.

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Jay C  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:37:33am

re: #210 KGxvi

Current US population: 325.7 million people. He’s arguing that somewhere around 10% of the total population of the nation is here illegally/undocumented?

That seems… high.

Mainly because it is: I have/had always seen figures estimating that the number of “illegals” (all undocumented residents) maxed out somewhere around 11-12 million. If that “10.7MM” figure is reasonably correct, that would mean something like 3.5% or so of the total population is here illegally: via whatever means.
Still seems high, though, but not untoward.

ADD: and it seems almost needless to remind ourselves that this is Donald Trump talking, so any figure he cites is likely to have a tenuous relation (if any) to reality.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:38:06am

re: #216 Sir John Barron

Ah, Cabinet Meeting Time. Have we reached the part where all the cabinet appointees have to grovel before Hurr Orange, thanking him for their jobs and how Big and Beautiful his presidency has been?

We’ve nearly reached a point where none of his cabinet members can actually make decisions because they are acting (in both senses of the word).

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:38:19am

re: #211 Targetpractice

Not only is it totally out of line with pretty much every single official estimate, but how does he expect to remove 10% of the population from the US economy and not lead to a massive crash that would make the Depression pale by comparison?

Same thinking that cutting taxes automatically means economic growth. These guys think immigrants are holding us back.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:38:38am

A better view of the idiotic Trump cabinet meeting with his sanctions poster… ripe for a photo edit:

Treason’s Greetings.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:39:03am

re: #208 Barefoot Grin

So glad Daniel Dale is back on twitter:

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Isn’t Melania here illegally? What if you count all those people who are now citizens but whose original status was illegal? After all, over 13% of our population is foreign-born.

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:40:35am

Apparently 2019 is the same as the Middle Ages now. Also, a wall is the least of the Vatican’s moral failings.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:40:41am

He’s not going to take losing well. I’ve never been more worried about how a losing incumbent would respond than Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:41:17am

re: #223 KGxvi

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Apparently 2019 is the same as the Middle Ages now. Also, a wall is the least of the Vatican’s moral failings.

That’s a stupid argument.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:41:32am

re: #221 lawhawk

A better view of the idiotic Trump cabinet meeting with his sanctions poster… ripe for a photo edit:

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Treason’s Greetings.

Where’s ObserverArt when you need him? :-D

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:41:42am

re: #210 KGxvi

Current US population: 325.7 million people. He’s arguing that somewhere around 10% of the total population of the nation is here illegally/undocumented?

That seems… high.

Most estimate that the total number of people here illegally is around 10-11 million. Nearly half of those are visa overstays - people who entered legally, but whose visas have expired.

The wall wont stop any of those people - and that’s the group that’s growing faster.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:41:43am

re: #191 gwangung

Well, it’s the fact that she’s using the same methods as folks who ARE trying to exploit that bit of ancestry, and isn’t acknowledging the harm that’s being done or trying to mitigate it that shows it’s not a good tactic to use (and still fall back on the coalition of POCs that are so key to Democratic hopes).

At some point she mentioned the family story that there was a Native American in her family tree. She made nothing of it and never tried to exploit it. At some point the Repugs dug this up — and everything subsequent comes from that.

People who make anything more of this are playing into the Repugs’ hands.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:43:25am

re: #202 gwangung

White Dude Attacks Black Female McDonald’s Worker, Receives Large Surprise Order of ‘That Smoke’

Love the last paragraph:

But next week, James will return to Wakanda as the keynote speaker at her alma mater, the Dora Milaje School for Wishing a Motherfucker Would.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:44:16am

re: #171 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I had been told my family had native american ancestry. Then my brother got one of those dna tests, and it was 100% european.

take it further -
i have been brought up with a specific cultural identity
and a specific religious one to go along with it
every person in my family has the same ‘identity’ and reinforces it
grandparents, great grands (when they were alive), parent, siblings, aunts, uncles, cousins. everybody. get it?
and im on purpose not being specific.
we are all X

tomorrow some dna test says i’m not X, i’m Y
now what?
for me?
for everyone else?
are they no longer X?
do they have to stop “believing”?

if warren is truthful, as you are, as i am, then she, you, me are just questions of degrees:
“we had stories”, “i had been told”, “i was actually raised”….

the whole concept is asinine

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:44:46am

re: #223 KGxvi

Didn’t Trump once compare Vatican City and its wall to what was needed for the US border? Why yes…. he did.

Trump: Vatican Has ‘An Awfully Big Wall’

Of course, we also pointed out that there were huge gaping holes in the walls for Vatican City?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:46:36am

re: #179 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Did you just write your resignation letter in … crayon?

it’s the blunttip sharpie administration

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:47:22am

re: #223 KGxvi

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Apparently 2019 is the same as the Middle Ages now. Also, a wall is the least of the Vatican’s moral failings.

The “wall” around the Vatican is shaped like ( ) — open at both ends.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:48:59am

re: #188 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Mexico is paying for the Wall through the new USMCA Trade Deal.

even if this were true in some absurdo world, this not what you campaigned on or said. Ever.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:49:35am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:50:20am

re: #221 lawhawk

A better view of the idiotic Trump cabinet meeting with his sanctions poster… ripe for a photo edit:

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Treason’s Greetings.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:51:26am

re: #229 Belafon

Love the last paragraph:

That is fucking hysterical. I am dying.

The video doesn’t show if this particular McDonald’s has been serving Avengers-themed Happy Meals, because instead of cowering, Yasmine, ever the industrious young worker, decides to boost the restaurant’s hygiene rating by wiping the counter clean with the man’s spotless, balding forehead as if she had secretly gathered all of the Infinity Stones in her apron pocket.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:56:54am

You really have to click on the ‘image’ button below, to get the full effect

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:58:05am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:00:09am

re: #235 Charles Johnson

I thought the GOP believed in cutting taxes to raise revenue? So wouldn’t less border spending equal more border spending under their theory?

/

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:01:15am

re: #157 NO SMOCKING GUN!

a corollary:

All of the innocent children shot at schools and people sitting in their own homes shot while doing everyday normal things is all worth it just for that one time in a million you can catch that black guy trying to break into your house.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:01:42am

re: #239 lawhawk

Party officials who appease Face Eating Leopard Country surprised to have their faces eaten when visiting.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:01:47am

Trump is his own human centipede.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:02:46am
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Teukka  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:03:10am

Sanity & giggle break:

(Click on picture for the full story)

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:03:32am
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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:05:45am

re: #243 jaunte

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:05:51am

re: #243 jaunte

Trump is his own human centipede.

DJT should just use a completely fictive number like Eleventy-ish trillion billion dollars and watch FNC start spouting it in his defense.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:05:54am

re: #239 lawhawk

Re: Paul Whelan’s arrest in Russia, some say: “Why didn’t the Russians arrest GOP lawmakers spending the 4th of July in Moscow?” Funny enough, they actually pondered that. State TV host Olga Skabeeva said, “We should have arrested all of them before they went back to Washington.”

kids play with matches
they sorta know what matches are, what fire is, and what fire can do
they sorta think it wont get out of control
they could stomp it out, pour water on it, get help (but never gonna happen)
kid level thinking

trump has no clue what he’s dealing with
he doesnt know where the levers are
what’s connected to what
he doesnt know what the buttons do (ok maybe 1 sorta)

he’s applying totally inapplicable (and failed) ‘businessman experience’ to geopolitical politics. (and ‘applying’ is being generous)

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:07:03am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

It’s completely false manipulative bullshit.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:07:55am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

The illegals who suck up welfare money they aren’t eligible for also take jobs they don’t pay taxes on from other Americans would take at higher wages and higher taxes or something something and crime.

/

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:08:28am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

They’re somehow using all of the services, like Medicaid, that they are prohibited by law from using, thus denying them to the deserving white people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:09:10am

re: #239 lawhawk

Looks like the USMC would prefer that the media stops referring to Whelan as a “former Marine”

Served ‘94 to ‘08. Made SSgt in ‘04. Left with a BCD in ‘08 as a Pvt.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:09:16am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

welfare, free rent, free healthcare, food stamps, etc //

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:09:54am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

It’s all bulkshit.

No one who knows anything about immigration issues or the economy can even point to an amount even close to half of what Trump claims.

The most anti-immigrant crew claims it costs $110 billion annually. Experts find that that figure is inflated particularly because those undocumented persons are paying taxes - sales, fuel, etc., and often pay into SS, but aren’t entitled to the benefits.

They also are doing jobs most Americans wouldn’t do - working vital but backbreaking positions in fields or restaurants, etc.

Everything about Trump’s numbers are a sham.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:10:25am

re: #247 KGxvi

How exactly does the country lose money via illegal immigration?

They are still contributing to the GDP. They buy things, if they have fake documents then they’re paying income tax, they pay rent.

The Gruma Corporation (major global cornmeal producer) used to be one of my clients.
Their biggest customer in New York State began as an undocumented pushcart operator in NYC, selling tacos and tortillas on the street corner. Now he’s a citizen who employs hundreds of people.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:11:28am

re: #244 Charles Johnson

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Republicans sure love that red ink!

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bratwurst  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:11:39am

Ok “Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian”…you know what to do!

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:11:51am
Now he’s a citizen who employs hundreds of people.

More than can be said, by the way, for most right wing media screamers.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:12:43am

re: #256 jaunte

The Gruma Corporation (major global cornmeal producer) used to be one of my clients.
Their biggest customer in New York State began as an undocumented pushcart operator in NYC, selling tacos and tortillas on the street corner. Now he’s a citizen who employs hundreds of people.

you should put that behind privacy tags
citizen or not they’ll come for him and deport him
they’re doing it to others
//s

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TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:14:06am

re: #253 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Looks like the USMC would prefer that the media stops referring to Whelan as a “former Marine”

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Served ‘94 to ‘08. Made SSgt in ‘04. Left with a BCD in ‘08 as a Pvt.

Whelan’s more properly an “ex-Marine”.

Totally different connotation than “former Marine”.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:14:55am

re: #258 bratwurst

Ok “Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian”…you know what to do!

Well, I make sure to wear my “Code-Blooded” t-shirt so that people know to speak Tech with me.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:16:08am

re: #258 bratwurst

I’d like her to demonstrate “sounding Mongolian.”

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:16:25am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:16:30am
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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:17:06am

Yes please.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:17:37am

re: #265 Charles Johnson

It’s not a prediction if it’s already happened in 2019.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:18:17am

re: #266 jaunte

I hear Putin has a nice dacha in Siberia for Trump to run. Great views. Lots of land. But it’s a one way trip.

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:18:18am

re: #258 bratwurst

Ok “Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian”…you know what to do!

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“Mongolian”? Jesus tapdancing motherfucking Christ, woman.

As a sidenote: one of the oldest Chinatowns in the western hemisphere is actually in Havana, Cuba. But still, damn, that’s a whole new level of racism.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:19:19am

re: #268 lawhawk

I hear Putin has a nice dacha in Siberia for Trump to run. Great views. Lots of land. But it’s a one way trip.

Snowden needs a roomie!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:20:40am
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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:21:51am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:22:09am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:23:44am

re: #269 KGxvi

“Mongolian”? Jesus tapdancing motherfucking Christ, woman.

As a sidenote: one of the oldest Chinatowns in the western hemisphere is actually in Havana, Cuba. But still, damn, that’s a whole new level of racism.

My wife is from Japan. Once visiting my racist uncle and his more racist and anti-semitic Lebanese-American wife, we were eating out when his wife said, “Look, K, the Mexican workers are over there looking at you. They’re jealous because they think you’re Mexican and get to eat with a white family.”

We haven’t been back in 19 years.

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lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:24:20am

Trump’s spewing on about how he had meeting with generals…and they were so good looking. He’s unhinged from reality, but here we are talking about him daily (which is what he wants?!).

Trump doesn’t care about policy or anything more than getting people talking about him.

Now if we could convince him that people would talk even more about him if he and everyone associated with him were indicted, cut deals, got convicted after trial, were impeached, resigned, etc.

That would be… epic.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:24:23am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:24:23am

re: #162 jaunte

AAAAND….it’s a meme!

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:24:25am

re: #272 jaunte

Okay, okay.

I know I shouldn’t expect better, but…what?

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:24:31am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

we’re not talking about vast wealth

Key quote right there - he’s interested only in wars of conquest, where coffers and natural resources can be raided. Last time the US was explicitly* interested in those was before the Civil War.

*I say explicitly because while I’m sure there was some thought of raiding natural resources in Iraq, “we want their oil” wasn’t one of the publicly stated justifications for going to war.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:25:19am

Stronger than Tom Cruise strong and with more boards.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:28:27am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:28:46am

Just waiting for Trump to do the Great Dictator globe dance….

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:30:40am
Trump: “We’re getting out of Syria, but we’re getting out very powerfully.” (not sure what that means)

Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:31:06am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:31:13am

re: #272 jaunte

Trump says he had a meeting about Iran and the Middle East with lots of good-looking generals: “Like from a movie. Better looking than Tom Cruise, and stronger.

up to now we’ve sort of watched and said, ok, he’s an R and there are other R’s surrounding him and things arent what we’d want or do. And notwithstanding nonsense like ‘truth isnt truth’, there is a ‘reality’. sort of. No one’s really considered the 25th.

and yes, we’ve said it before. who talks like this? what president talks like this? who lets a president talk like this publicly? (ok separate issue)

are we entering actual, factual delusion territory here?
is the man truly incoherent?
mental? Ausgespielt? Bughouse? Teched? Milky in the filbert? (mash s04e09)

i laugh, i weep, i pray for the country and the world
who does this?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:31:38am

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Sand and Death.

He seems to like saying that all of a sudden. Did Fox & Friends say that this morning?

/

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:31:48am

re: #283 jaunte

Swiftly taking to his feet,
He beat a very brave retreat.
Bravest of the brave, Sir Robin!

Who do you think his minstrel is?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:31:54am

Gas is cheap because of me! I made a call! I told OPEC to let the oil flow.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:32:43am

re: #287 Belafon

Sir Brad Parscale.

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Teukka  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:32:51am

re: #282 Joe Bacon 🌹

Just waiting for Trump to do the Great Dictator globe dance….

And stumbling and crushing the globe underneath himself. Live.
Not ///

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:32:53am

re: #258 bratwurst

Ok “Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian”…you know what to do!

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I assume she’s talking about Guatemalans?

(which, to be fair, if they’re mostly pure Mayan and speak tribal languages, they sorta do look and sound Mongolian. Or at least, more Mongolian than Spaniard.)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:33:19am

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Trump says he had a meeting with generals who had a “lot of computer boards. More computer boards than they’ve ever made.”

— Charles Johnson

“You can own your own computer now. Amazing. Not many people know that.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:33:53am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:34:15am

Ye gods, Trump’s just incoherently ranting LOL.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:35:42am

re: #292 Sir John Barron

“You can own your own computer now. Amazing. Not many people know that.”

if you have enough extra rooms
and lots of air conditioning

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:37:56am

re: #263 jaunte

I’d like her to demonstrate “sounding Mongolian.”

What Genghis Khan’s Mongolian Sounded Like - and how we know

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:38:39am

At what point is Trumps obvious disconnect from reality get to a point where somebody acts?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:38:54am

re: #211 Targetpractice

Not only is it totally out of line with pretty much every single official estimate, but how does he expect to remove 10% of the population from the US economy and not lead to a massive crash that would make the Depression pale by comparison?

Unemployed Americans can take those jobs!!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:39:24am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:43:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:43:33am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:44:27am

re: #297 Unshaken Defiance

At what point is Trumps obvious disconnect from reality get to a point where somebody acts?

you said it way better than i did

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:45:50am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You made him you Sec of Def, fuckwit. But thanks for showing how much you really respect him and the military with your stupid bullshit about how you’d make a great general when you’re not a great anything other than blight.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:46:03am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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trump apparently doenst know the difference between fired and demoted/moved around the company to another position

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:46:37am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

You made him you Sec of Def, fuckwit. But thanks for showing how much you really respect him and the military with your stupid bullshit about how you’d make a great general when you’re not a great anything other than blight.

only the best….

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:47:40am

That number is not a coincidence. White supremacists frequently throw that number around.

It is about the total number of people of Mexican ancestry in the USA, the overwhelming number being born here, immigrants, or green-card holders.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:47:57am

re: #279 KGxvi

Key quote right there - he’s interested only in wars of conquest, where coffers and natural resources can be raided. Last time the US was explicitly* interested in those was before the Civil War.

Pretty sure the “war for the west” was explicit about we wanted their natural resources. Farmland, timber, gold and silver and copper mines… that went on till about the 1890’s.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:50:37am

re: #307 sagehen

Also, we were pretty open about picking up Spanish colonies in the Spanish-American War.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:51:10am

“Nothing but sand and death.”

Oh, man the terrorists are going to LOVE that one.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:51:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:53:03am

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

Mexican Americans (Spanish: mexicoamericanos or estadounidenses de origen mexicano) are Americans of full or partial Mexican descent. As of July 2016, Mexican Americans made up 11.2% of the United States’ population, as 36.3 million U.S. residents identified as being of full or partial Mexican ancestry. (more)

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:53:22am

oh

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:53:56am

re: #311 Anymouse 🌹

Mexican Americans (Spanish: mexicoamericanos or estadounidenses de origen mexicano) are Americans of full or partial Mexican descent. As of July 2016, Mexican Americans made up 11.2% of the United States’ population, as 36.3 million U.S. residents identified as being of full or partial Mexican ancestry. (more)

en.wikipedia.org

And a lot of them have been in this country longer than Trump’s family have.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:54:33am

re: #310 Charles Johnson

The Plutocrat Party is disturbed that anyone whose family could feed and clothe them as kids would end up a “socialist.”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:54:47am

re: #310 Charles Johnson

So Jim Hoft dug up some high school pictures of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and posted them to prove that she, I don’t know, went to high school? More top notch investigative right wing journalism from the Stupidest Man on the Internet.

That was in The Slums of Westchester, the less well-known sequel to The Slums of Beverly Hills.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:55:20am

re: #313 HappyWarrior

And a lot of them have been in this country longer than Trump’s family have.

A lot of them have been in this country since those parts were part of Mexico.

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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:56:18am

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

Sorry Donald, but Democrats get to read them too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:56:52am

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

A lot of them have been in this country since those parts were part of Mexico.

Yep. And in New Mexico, there are families whose lineage is even older than Jamestown and the Mayflower.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:57:01am

re: #317 Belafon

Sorry Donald, but Democrats get to read them too.

Nuh-uh!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:58:23am

I really hate this toddler. Trump voters should be embarrassed by him but many aren’t because they’d rather own some non existent lib than look at why Trump is unfit.

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Citizen K  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:58:28am

So…I’ve never had much problem with Jill Abramson before. Which is why I’m absolutely baffled at this shit:

Are we talking about the same fucking paper here?

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:58:44am
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:59:54am

re: #321 Citizen K

So…I’ve never had much problem with Jill Abramson before. Which is why I’m absolutely baffled at this shit:

Are we talking about the same fucking paper here?

Doesn’t read Maggie Haberman I guess.

Anti-Trump? Are they supposed to be pro-Trump? How about pro-News?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:00:25pm

Lre: #321 Citizen K

So…I’ve never had much problem with Jill Abramson before. Which is why I’m absolutely baffled at this shit:

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Are we talking about the same fucking paper here?

I’ll play along. Why shouldn’t articles be anti Trump? What has Trump done to deserve any positive coverage?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:01:18pm

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

Doesn’t read Maggie Haberman I guess.

Anti-Trump? Are they supposed to be pro-Trump? How about pro-News?

Precisely. Reporting on Trump being Trump isn’t anti Trump per say just like reporting on fires isn’t anti fire.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:01:38pm

re: #324 HappyWarrior

L

I’ll play along. Why shouldn’t articles be anti Trump? What has Trump done to deserve any positive coverage?

According to Jill, he ain’t Hillary!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:01:53pm

re: #322 jaunte

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One fascist recommends another fascist. Shocker.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:02:19pm

re: #326 Joe Bacon 🌹

According to Jill, he ain’t Hillary!

Yeah he ain’t Hillary. He ain’t shit.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:02:42pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:03:28pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

One fascist recommends another fascist. Shocker.

Notice how the only words of praise he has are for major league assholes like himself?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:03:44pm

re: #329 Charles Johnson

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Let’s send him, Ivanka, & the boys to the middle of nowhere in Afghanistan forever.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:03:57pm

re: #330 Eclectic Cyborg

Notice how the only words of praise he has are for major league assholes like himself?

Yep!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:04:58pm

“In this powerful manifesto, Dr. Gorka explains the basic principles that have guided strategists since Sun Tzu penned The Art of War in the sixth century BC. To defeat your enemy, you must know him. But that’s the last thing liberal elites are interested in. Willful ignorance about our adversary - whether it’s Russia, China, or the global jihadi movement - has been crippling. Tearing off America’s politically correct blindfold, Dr. Gorka clarifies who our foes are and what makes them tick.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:06:22pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:06:24pm

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

“In this powerful manifesto, Dr. Gorka explains the basic principles that have guided strategists since Sun Tzu penned The Art of War in the sixth century BC. To defeat your enemy, you must know him. But that’s the last thing liberal elites are interested in. Willful ignorance about our adversary - whether it’s Russia, China, or the global jihadi movement - has been crippling. Tearing off America’s politically correct blindfold, Dr. Gorka clarifies who our foes are and what makes them tick.”

Gorka doesn’t know shit.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:06:47pm

re: #294 Dr Lizardo

Ye gods, Trump’s just incoherently ranting LOL.

He’s sweating that gavel getting handed over to Pelosi tomorrow…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:07:08pm

re: #334 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Music to Vlad’s ears. Frankly Donald you’re an enemy agent.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:07:21pm

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

“In this powerful manifesto, Dr. Gorka explains the basic principles that have guided strategists since Sun Tzu penned The Art of War in the sixth century BC. To defeat your enemy, you must know him. But that’s the last thing liberal elites are interested in. Willful ignorance about our adversary - whether it’s Russia, China, or the global jihadi movement - has been crippling. Tearing off America’s politically correct blindfold, Dr. Gorka clarifies who our foes are and what makes them tick.”

He’s describing Neo-Cons, not liberals.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:08:59pm
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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:09:55pm

re: #316 Anymouse 🌹

A lot of them have been in this country since those parts were part of Mexico.

Eva Longoria was on Finding Our Roots…
en.wikipedia.org

According to research done in 2010 by Harvard professor and Faces of America host Henry Louis Gates, Jr., Longoria’s oldest identifiable Spanish immigrant ancestor is her ninth great-grandfather, Lorenzo Suárez de Longoria (b. Oviedo, 1592), who immigrated to the Viceroyalty of New Spain (modern-day Mexico) in 1603. His family was based in a small village called Llongoria, Belmonte de Miranda, Asturias, Spain. Longoria is the Castellanized form of this Asturian-language surname.

In 1767, her seventh great-grandfather received almost 4,000 acres (16 km2) of land along the Rio Grande in a land grant from King Charles III of Spain. The family retained this land for more than a century. After the US-Mexican border was moved southwards in the aftermath of the Mexican-American War, the land ended up on the American side of the border. Her family had to deal with the influx of United States settlers following the Mexican-American War and the American Civil War.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:10:18pm

re: #329 Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs

Presenting: “Unhinged Imaginary History,” starring Donald Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:10:18pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

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Which is exactly what Mitt wants us to forget as he reinvents himself again.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:11:00pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Which is exactly what Mitt wants us to forget as he reinvents himself again.

Sad thing is it works.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:12:22pm

re: #343 Unshaken Defiance

Sad thing is it works.

Yeah it does and that’s a shame because Charles correctly points out Mitt running a very xenophobic campaign himself full of lies. Romney and Trump aren’t so different from each other imo.

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Jay C  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:12:25pm

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

“In this powerful manifesto, Dr. Gorka explains the basic principles that have guided strategists since Sun Tzu penned The Art of War in the sixth century BC. To defeat your enemy, you must know him. But that’s the last thing liberal elites are interested in. Willful ignorance about our adversary - whether it’s Russia, China, or the global jihadi movement - has been crippling. Tearing off America’s politically correct blindfold, Dr. Gorka clarifies who our foes are and what makes them tick.”

Oy vey! So where did whoever hawked Gorka’s book to Trump (I’m gonna take a wild stab here and guess that our Semiliterate-in-Chief didn’t actually read it. Unless old Seb had a manga version put out) find it? On the remainder rack at a local B&N?

I wonder if our government intelligence agencies (however many of them we have) are cognizant of the “willful ignorance” apparently affecting the country, despite their decades of work: maybe Trump should send them copies of Gorka’s magnum opus…?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:13:36pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:13:48pm

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

“In this powerful manifesto, Dr. Gorka explains the basic principles that have guided strategists since Sun Tzu penned The Art of War in the sixth century BC. To defeat your enemy, you must know him. But that’s the last thing liberal elites are interested in. Willful ignorance about our adversary - whether it’s Russia, China, or the global jihadi movement - has been crippling. Tearing off America’s politically correct blindfold, Dr. Gorka clarifies who our foes are and what makes them tick.”

are there any conservative elites?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:14:34pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

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He just wants Trump to be more quiet about his assholery.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:15:14pm

re: #162 jaunte

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Idiocracy Trash Landfill
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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:15:30pm

re: #346 Charles Johnson

With very few exceptions, the objections to Trump are about style, not substance. There are a few who recognize the substance is also bad, but they are (to use a legal term) a discrete and insular minority.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:16:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:17:14pm

re: #350 KGxvi

With very few exceptions, the objections to Trump are about style, not substance. There are a few who recognize the substance is also bad, but they are (to use a legal term) a discrete and insular minority.

Indeed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:17:37pm

So much for that Presidential pivot from when he met with the troops…

//

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:22:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:23:53pm

re: #355 Charles Johnson

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Right and honestly Mitt’s own character sucks too. He’s no better than Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:29:11pm
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retired cynic  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:32:26pm

re: #254 dangerman

welfare, free rent, free healthcare, food stamps, etc //

People around here swear this happens. (Healthcare and food stamps, anyway)

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Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:32:29pm
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Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:34:13pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but he didn’t bankrupt his company, only others.

I’m just imagining the way Trump will attack him, especially over being MA governor and supporting health care.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:35:41pm

re: #347 dangerman

are there any conservative elites?

the moron’s rally fans:

Trump: “You are the elite”

“You are the elite.”

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:36:20pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

You’re right on domestic matters, but Romney wouldn’t be killing us on the international stage. He wouldn’t be imposing tariffs, he’d probably have supported the TPP, he wouldn’t be trying to undo NAFTA, or upset the balance of NATO in favor of Russia. Those are all things that are going to take a lot more time to fix.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:37:01pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

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Also, Mitt has a wife who is way more dangerous than Melanoma on her worst day.

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makeitstop  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:37:45pm

I get the feeling that Rick Wilson is maneuvering to manage Mitt’s campaign in 2020. He’s really trying to pump up that op-ed.

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:40:25pm

re: #364 makeitstop

I get the feeling that Rick Wilson is maneuvering to manage Mitt’s campaign in 2020. He’s really trying to pump up that op-ed.

I’m fairly certain that Wilson has always like Romney. I also wouldn’t be surprised if Wilson is looking for a Not-Trump Republican campaign for 2020.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:40:58pm
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:42:42pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Had no idea he was Albert Brooks’ brother.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:45:24pm

re: #367 Barefoot Grin

Had no idea he was Albert Brooks’ brother.

Yeah, Albert Einstein wanted to use another name for some reason….

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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:47:13pm

re: #366 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Huntsman is somewhat unique in the political/career diplomat designation. He has been an ambassador to three different countries (Russia, China, and Singapore) and a Deputy Trade Representative, so it’s a bit harder to simply cast him as a political ambassador. That said, since diplomacy is all about protocols and process, it’s probably a less than good idea to escalate so quickly.

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garzooma  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:50:38pm

re: #362 KGxvi

You’re right on domestic matters, but Romney wouldn’t be killing us on the international stage. He wouldn’t be imposing tariffs, he’d probably have supported the TPP, he wouldn’t be trying to undo NAFTA, or upset the balance of NATO in favor of Russia.

He also wouldn’t be trying to destroy the rule of law. When you look at the number of countries around the world where this has happened, this is no small matter.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:50:51pm

blech

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:54:27pm

re: #253 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Looks like the USMC would prefer that the media stops referring to Whelan as a “former Marine”

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Served ‘94 to ‘08. Made SSgt in ‘04. Left with a BCD in ‘08 as a Pvt.

i am kinda weirded out by this. If he’s some schmuck being used as a pawn, it’s a shame his history is coming out. If he’s actually a spy, doubly so. If he is an actual traitor, fuck him.

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jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:55:09pm
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KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:55:46pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

We need a cabinet meeting more like this, next time:

Doctor Who - The Sound of Drums - Harold Saxon’s first day

Only without a working gas mask.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:57:25pm

Romney Complains Trump Uses Wrong Fork To Eat Peasants With

also associates with wrong style of dictators

.

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 12:59:03pm

re: #297 Unshaken Defiance

At what point is Trumps obvious disconnect from reality get to a point where somebody acts?

My thought exactly.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:00:04pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

Fake news, fake families, fake walls, oh wait no the Wall is Real.

///

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Skip Intro  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:00:42pm

re: #376 MsJ

The GOP? Never.

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sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:00:43pm

re: #374 KGxvi

We need a cabinet meeting more like this, next time:

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Video

Only without a working gas mask.

I’d have settled for “don’t you think he looks tired?”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:01:11pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

blech

So dedicated, so delivering, delivered many tweets while lonely in the WH and dedicated to delivering even more tweets and insulting even more people.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:01:15pm

re: #358 retired cynic

People around here swear this happens. (Healthcare and food stamps, anyway)

i used to have this fight with some right wing buddies (back when i had any)
around 10, 20 yrs ago
they’d forward emails, i’d respond chapter and verse, in nauseating detail
didnt matter

i just looked up some of those emails
i was clear, honest, fair, objective.
and their reactions were…predictable
you can see where it was all headed - it’s where we are today

did you know “obama withdrew all charges against the masterminds behind the USS
Cole and the “terror attack” on 9/11”? me neither.

how about “”ACORN organized to intimidate financial institutions into giving what have been called “ninja” loans — no income, no job, no assets — to people who could not afford them.”?

i was an independent bank auditor for 13 years
you think anyone listened to anything i said about CRA and ninja loans - what they were and more specifically what they werent?
nope. they were already convinced. they knew.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:01:58pm

re: #359 Charles Johnson

If Romney ever became president, he’d be even worse than Trump. Romney IS Trump, but with better hair, smooth manners and grooming, and a stereotypical “presidential” look. He could potentially do even more damage.

like trump, apparently doesnt care much for dogs either

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:03:24pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:03:28pm

re: #276 Charles Johnson

Trump says he had a meeting with generals who had a “lot of computer boards. More computer boards than they’ve ever made.”

This makes no sense, unless he’s blithering about General Officer shoulder board rank insignia, possibly mixing it up with “fruit salad” display of service ribbons. The P*OTUS has no idea what he’s saying, NTTAWWT.

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retired cynic  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:04:01pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

Mitt has also, in that photo, taken to dying his skin orange, too.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:06:04pm

re: #371 Backwoods_Sleuth

Acting AG Whitaker kisses up to Trump for staying in DC over holidays: “Sir, Mr President, I will start by highlighting the fact you stayed in DC over the holidays, giving up Christmas w/your family, New Year’s w/your family… you have demonstrated your dedication to delivering”
blech

whitaker must be high or a complete moron (yeah or both)

um…remember the stories the other day about what trump did with all that time?
he was in the residence
fox news on all the time
near the phones
calling supporters
all that nonsense?

i said he should be at his desk - a thousand other things he could be doing - after all presidenting is a full time job.

dontcha remember? i mean it was in all the papers….

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MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:07:08pm

re: #364 makeitstop

I get the feeling that Rick Wilson is maneuvering to manage Mitt’s campaign in 2020. He’s really trying to pump up that op-ed.

I have said it repeatedly, once an asshole, always an asshole. Fuck Rick Wilson. And Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt because they are all going to be on the bandwagon with the next republican running.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:07:10pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:08:45pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

“[Democrats] try to make it like it’s just about the wall, and it is about the wall…” - Trump arguing with himself.

you know what?
that’s it
enough is enough and that’s enough
i’m cracking open the booze

gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:09:17pm

re: #385 retired cynic

Mitt has also, in that photo, taken to dying his skin orange, too.

Orange You-Tan™. As seen on TV!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:09:32pm

re: #364 makeitstop

I get the feeling that Rick Wilson is maneuvering to manage Mitt’s campaign in 2020. He’s really trying to pump up that op-ed.

I think the odds of a Mittens 2020 campaign are about 0 and zero. The RWNJ base luvs DJT.

392
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:09:51pm

re: #383 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They should let it rot, stink to high heaven so trump smells it every damn time he sets foot outside.

393
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:09:55pm

re: #357 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Showing my age when I remember his dad died right after his monologue at a Friars Club roast for Desi Arnaz…

394
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:10:49pm
395
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:10:50pm

re: #389 dangerman

you know what?
that’s it
enough is enough and that’s enough
i’m cracking open the booze

gaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I’m right with ya…

396
Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:10:53pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

“And it is the Wall but it isn’t the Wall, see? The Wall is already built and we need it but we need more money to do more on the Wall but Dems are trying to say it’s all about the Wall but it’s more than a Wall, it’s really all kind of big beautiful Border Security. “

/

397
Sir John Barron  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:11:46pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can’t till when he starts yelling at himself.

398
Charles Johnson  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:12:05pm

re: #362 KGxvi

You’re right on domestic matters, but Romney wouldn’t be killing us on the international stage. He wouldn’t be imposing tariffs, he’d probably have supported the TPP, he wouldn’t be trying to undo NAFTA, or upset the balance of NATO in favor of Russia. Those are all things that are going to take a lot more time to fix.

On the other hand, his op-ed says he supports Trump’s trade war with China. He’d probably be much more establishment GOP on military matters and NATO than Trump, that’s true, but that’s not really a good thing, either, since it’s that policy that has gotten us into seemingly endless wars around the globe.

399
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:14:22pm

re: #387 MsJ

I have said it repeatedly, once an asshole, always an asshole. Fuck Rick Wilson. And Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt because they are all going to be on the bandwagon with the next republican running.

My mantra through this whole thing has been that these people are Republicans as long as they stay in the Republican party, but, my first priority right now is getting rid of Trump - who is doing serious domestic and geopolitical damage that the others wouldn’t come near (would any other Republican being trying to kill NAFTA?) - and if they want to help with that, fine.

400
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:15:09pm

re: #395 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m right with ya…

goddamn, the amount of stupid…….

he’s a loonybird
the fucking president is a fucking nutburger

401
TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:16:19pm

re: #387 MsJ

I have said it repeatedly, once an asshole, always an asshole. Fuck Rick Wilson. And Nicole Wallace and Steve Schmidt because they are all going to be on the bandwagon with the next republican running.

Even the most stalwart never-Trumper only really opposes Trump because he’s so crass and because he’s saying (and doing) out loud to the world what they and the GOP have done and said for decades behind closed doors with compatriots, but in code for the public’s consumption.

If Mitt does decide to go again in 2020, either up against Trump or not, I fully expect Wilson, Wallace, and Schmidt, among others, to be falling into line and polishing his fucking knob.

402
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:16:38pm

re: #396 Sir John Barron

“And it is the Wall but it isn’t the Wall, see? The Wall is already built and we need it but we need more money to do more on the Wall but Dems are trying to say it’s all about the Wall but it’s more than a Wall, it’s really all kind of big beautiful Border Security. “

/ <<<<<<<<<<————————————-

is that real cause it’s totally believable as an exact quote?

oh my god - it’s totally believable as an exact quote!!!

403
jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:16:44pm

re: #388 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Ifwehadawallandwewill”

404
TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:17:45pm

re: #391 Sir John Barron

I think the odds of a Mittens 2020 campaign are about 0 and zero. The RWNJ base luvs DJT.

Mitt’s only real hope is for Trump to resign or be impeached and removed, but I think he’ll try in any case, because there are still enough old-style GOP money men to make it worthwhile for him.

405
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:19:08pm

wrong clip

406
jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:19:29pm
407
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:19:57pm
408
jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:20:20pm

I see the goalposts have moved back to “slowing” border crossings.

409
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:20:22pm

re: #401 TedStriker

Even the most stalwart never-Trumper only really opposes Trump because he’s so crass and because he’s saying (and doing) out loud to the world what they and the GOP have done and said for decades behind closed doors with compatriots, but in code for the public’s consumption.

If Mitt does decide to go again in 2020, either up against Trump or not, I fully expect Wilson, Wallace, and Schmidt, among others, to be falling into line and polishing his fucking knob.

Wait until tRump pulls out of South Korea. The last time he was poised to do that, it took Kelly and Mattis together to talk him out of it. They’re not there any more. A lot of the GOP would go fucking apeshit….

410
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:21:44pm

re: #406 jaunte

Some of the responses the other day when I posted that list included “The Great Wall worked for a while.”

411
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:21:54pm

(from politicalwire.com)
politicsjunkie
How soon we forget the many scandals of the Obama administration! The Tan suit nightmare! Dijon mustard on a hamburger! tRump is only beginning to fix these tremendous problems. Believe me!

in response to:

412
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:24:30pm

re: #391 Sir John Barron

I think the odds of a Mittens 2020 campaign are about 0 and zero. The RWNJ base luvs DJT.

I get the sense that a primary challenge is pretty close to even odds at this point. I don’t think it’ll be Romney, he has neither the political courage nor the political capital to try. My money would be on someone like Kaisch, or maybe someone like Bobby Jindal - it’ll be someone out of office with little connection to Washington.

413
Targetpractice  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:25:19pm

re: #410 Belafon

Some of the responses the other day when I posted that list included “The Great Wall worked for a while.”

Yeah, until the guards went native by marrying local tribes women and raising families, such that they ended up either abandoning their posts or throwing in their lots with the invaders.

414
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:25:38pm

re: #400 dangerman

goddamn, the amount of stupid…….

he’s a loonybird
the fucking president is a fucking nutburger

Every so often I remember this clip exists:

Donald Trump thinks Wrestling is real, believed Vince McMahon died - @OpieRadio @AnthonyCumia

He is not a smart man

415
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:26:35pm

re: #412 KGxvi

I get the sense that a primary challenge is pretty close to even odds at this point. I don’t think it’ll be Romney, he has neither the political courage nor the political capital to try. My money would be on someone like Kaisch, or maybe someone like Bobby Jindal - it’ll be someone out of office with little connection to Washington.

The party is so worried, they’re trying to prevent a primary challenge. If that happens, I would hope Romney or Kasich or whoever runs as a third party. If they can pull a Teddy Roosevelt, I’ll buy them a coffee.

416
Unshaken Defiance  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:26:47pm

re: #412 KGxvi

I get the sense that a primary challenge is pretty close to even odds at this point. I don’t think it’ll be Romney, he has neither the political courage nor the political capital to try. My money would be on someone like Kaisch, or maybe someone like Bobby Jindal - it’ll be someone out of office with little connection to Washington.

To run against Pence? / What are the odds Trump is even the guy then?

417
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:29:35pm

re: #412 KGxvi

I get the sense that a primary challenge is pretty close to even odds at this point. I don’t think it’ll be Romney, he has neither the political courage nor the political capital to try. My money would be on someone like Kaisch, or maybe someone like Bobby Jindal - it’ll be someone out of office with little connection to Washington.

Jindal? He is way too brown for today’s GOP.

418
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:31:04pm

re: #416 Unshaken Defiance

To run against Pence? / What are the odds Trump is even the guy then?

If Trump doesn’t survive the term, then it’s going to be a wide open field, almost everyone who ran in 2016 will be back in saying how they just knew that Trump was a bad choice and that they did everything the could to reign him in.

But if we’re doing betting odds on Trump serving a full term, I’d guess the “yes” would be somewhere around -1500 still. And if he survives the term, he’ll seek re-election because he’s Trump.

419
lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:31:25pm

re: #417 MsJ

Watch ‘em fall in behind Nikki Haley…. as if to try and prove that a woman can be elected president, so long as it’s one that takes the Trump/GOP worldview, and softens it around the edges just a wee bit.

420
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:31:27pm
421
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:31:57pm

re: #417 MsJ

Jindal? He is way too brown for today’s GOP.

It’d be perfect for them to run an anchor baby after wanting to end birthright citizenship.

422
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:32:07pm

re: #417 MsJ

Jindal? He is way too brown for today’s GOP.

Not Jindal, per se, but most likely a former governor with little to no ties with Trump world.

423
Decatur Deb  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:32:07pm

re: #417 MsJ

Jindal? He is way too brown for today’s GOP.

Their best chance is to run an incandescent candidate (male) for president, and a black female for VP.

It could happen.

424
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:32:22pm

re: #420 MsJ

BTW, I would rather shove a meat thermometer deep into my eye socket than watch that.

425
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:33:33pm

re: #423 Decatur Deb

Their best chance is to run an incandescent candidate (male) for president, and a black female for VP.

It could happen.

Diamond and Silk. Oh wait, they are not good looking enough.

Omarosa had she not shit on trump.

426
The Vicious Babushka  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:34:55pm

re: #425 MsJ

Diamond and Silk. Oh wait, they are not good looking enough.

Omarosa had she not shit on trump.

Elaine Chao.

427
Decatur Deb  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:35:21pm

RuPaul.

428
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:35:31pm

re: #426 The Vicious Babushka

Elaine Chao.

DeVos. Why not?

429
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:35:43pm

re: #423 Decatur Deb

Their best chance is to run an incandescent candidate (male) for president, and a black female for VP.

It could happen.

Trey Gowdy/Mia Love.

430
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:36:06pm

re: #420 MsJ

[Embedded content]

OMG…I got that call and everyone waiting was making jokes and I hung up the phone.

431
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:36:12pm

re: #426 The Vicious Babushka

Elaine Chao.

She was born in Taiwan, so she wouldn’t qualify.

432
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:38:39pm
433
TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:38:51pm

re: #431 KGxvi

She was born in Taiwan, so she wouldn’t qualify.

Same issue as Ted Lieu for the Dems; Congress or a Cabinet post that is put out of the line of presidential succession is as high as they can get.

434
Decatur Deb  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:39:24pm

re: #431 KGxvi

She was born in Taiwan, so she wouldn’t qualify.

Condoleeza Rice

She was born competent, so she wouldn’t qualify.

435
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:41:36pm

this is just pathetic.

so is the fact that not one single person in that room has the guts to tell him to STFU

436
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:44:12pm

re: #433 TedStriker

Same issue as Ted Lieu for the Dems; Congress or a Cabinet post that is put out of the line of presidential succession is as high as they can get.

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a real movement for an amendment to change that. There’s been a few foreign born politicians on both sides of the aisle. Then again, I can see how anyone who benefit from the amendment couldn’t be a major proponent of it.

437
Decatur Deb  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:44:21pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

this is just pathetic.

so is the fact that not one single person in that room has the guts to tell him to STFU

Other than restoring rational democratic government, our biggest task is to assure no Republican currently active ever gets to scrape the Trump off.

438
ObserverArt  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:45:02pm

re: #226 MsJ

Where’s ObserverArt when you need him? :-D

He’s busy trying to convert a web store into the newest WordPress software!!!

439
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:45:53pm

re: #433 TedStriker

Same issue as Ted Lieu for the Dems; Congress or a Cabinet post that is put out of the line of presidential succession is as high as they can get.

He can serve in any cabinet post; he could even be Speaker of the House. The only two jobs that you’re required to be a natural born citizen are President and VP. If they go down the list and you’re not eligible, they just skip over you.

440
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:46:19pm
441
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:46:35pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

this is just pathetic.

so is the fact that not one single person in that room has the guts to tell him to STFU

It’s disgusting. Completely and absolutely disgusting.

442
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:46:44pm

re: #436 KGxvi

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a real movement for an amendment to change that. There’s been a few foreign born politicians on both sides of the aisle. Then again, I can see how anyone who benefit from the amendment couldn’t be a major proponent of it.

There would have if Arnold hadn’t tanked the Califonia economy.

443
William Lewis  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:48:09pm

So I reviewed that piece of tripe from Gorka:

Why We Fight was the name of proAmerican media during WWII. It was an explanation of why real patriotic Americans opposed the fascist regimes attempting to destroy freedom and democracy throughout the world.

This, OTOH, is nothing but typical white supremacist, pro Nazi propaganda written by an avowed enemy of everything decent in the world.

Avoid it and anyone who is ignorant enough to think it is worth believing.

Never forget that the real Antifa were the boys from London, Chicago and Moscow who saved the world in WWII.

444
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:48:39pm

looks like she went there…. “incoming republican freshman senator”

either the two of them are coordinating this kabuki theater or it’s gonna be an interesting thanksgiving in the romney household

445
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:49:06pm

re: #438 ObserverArt

He’s busy trying to convert a web store into the newest WordPress software!!!

Pfffft. 🤣

446
jaunte  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:49:16pm
447
TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:50:04pm

re: #439 Belafon

He can serve in any cabinet post; he could even be Speaker of the House. The only two jobs that you’re required to be a natural born citizen are President and VP. If they go down the list and you’re not eligible, they just skip over you.

That’s what I was saying with “put out of the line of presidential succession”.

448
MsJ  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:50:04pm

re: #442 Belafon

There would have if Arnold hadn’t tanked the Califonia economy.

If take the Governator at this point.

449
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:51:11pm

re: #448 MsJ

If take the Governator at this point.

He really wasn’t terrible as governor. And you can’t really blame the housing crash on him.

450
TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:51:48pm

re: #440 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Signed, Epstein’s Mother”

451
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:52:28pm

re: #435 Backwoods_Sleuth

TRUMP, brandishing a letter, says: “I just got a great letter from Kim Jong Un. The few people that I’ve showed this letter to - they’ve never written letters like that. This letter is a great letter”

this is just pathetic.

so is the fact that not one single person in that room has the guts to tell him to STFU

no doubt the letter is full of shit, because it’s not public
ok , but objectively…No.
electoral-vote.com today

…Kim Jong-Un delivered his annual New Year’s address on Tuesday. …warning that the Trump administration better not impose any new sanctions and demanding that all joint military exercises between the U.S. and South Korea be brought to a halt…”

What we have here is our second lose-lose situation of the day for Donald Trump (see above for the first). Past presidents avoided meeting with Kim, his father, and his grandfather because they knew that the North Korean leaders’ words are not worth the paper that they’re written on. In this June’s summit in Singapore, Kim Jong-Un held true to form: He promised almost nothing specific, and yet somehow still managed to break his word, as it was discovered in November that his regime is at work on a new weapon at a new test site.

At this point, whether he realizes it or not (and there’s no guarantee he does), Trump has two options. He can stop meeting with Kim, which would not only mean abandoning his Nobel Peace Prize dreams, but also his signature foreign policy “accomplishment.” Furthermore, choosing not to schedule another summit would be tantamount to the President’s admitting he erred, and he hates to do that. Alternatively, Trump could meet with Kim again sometime in 2019, and get lied to some more, and get used as a prop for photo-ops some more. Again: “hardest job in the world.” (Z)

452
lawhawk  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:53:44pm

Apple shares had been halted pending that news… and it isn’t good. They’re warning on the ongoing China trade war tensions.

453
Belafon  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:53:47pm

re: #447 TedStriker

That’s what I was saying with “put out of the line of presidential succession”.

OK. I misinterpreted it.

454
goddamnedfrank  Jan 2, 2019 • 1:55:46pm

re: #431 KGxvi

She was born in Taiwan, so she wouldn’t qualify.

Arguably it’s not where you’re born but if you’re a citizen at birth. Remember, Ted Cruz was born in Canada and ran in the 2016 GOP Primary. Had he won I very much doubt the courts would have blocked him, even though Trump cast doubt on his eligibility. This is one of the many reasons I want Tammy Duckworth to run in 2020, to settle this issue once and for all. Also because I think she’d be an incredibly compelling candidate.

455
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:00:03pm

re: #454 goddamnedfrank

Arguably it’s not where you’re born but if you’re a citizen at birth. Remember, Ted Cruz was born in Canada and ran in the 2016 GOP Primary. Had he won I very much doubt the courts would have blocked him, even though Trump cast doubt on his eligibility. This is one of the many reasons I want Tammy Duckworth to run in 2020, to settle this issue once and for all. Also because I think she’d be an incredibly compelling candidate.

Elaine was not a citizen at birth

456
KGxvi  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:00:34pm

re: #454 goddamnedfrank

Arguably it’s not where you’re born but if you’re a citizen at birth. Remember, Ted Cruz was born in Canada and ran in the 2016 GOP Primary. Had he won I very much doubt the courts would have blocked him, even though Trump cast doubt on his eligibility. This is one of the many reasons I want Tammy Duckworth to run in 2020, to settle this issue once and for all. Also because I think she’d be an incredibly compelling candidate.

Right, but neither of Chao’s parents were American citizens. Duckworth’s situation is similar to McCain’s. We have a citizenship law that is both jus soli and jus sanguinis.

457
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:05:56pm

re: #436 KGxvi

I’m surprised there hasn’t been a real movement for an amendment to change that. There’s been a few foreign born politicians on both sides of the aisle. Then again, I can see how anyone who benefit from the amendment couldn’t be a major proponent of it.

Too much xenophobia and racism in the country; just look at how prevalent birtherism was on the Right.

458
sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:30:07pm

re: #444 dangerman

looks like she went there…. “incoming republican freshman senator”

either the two of them are coordinating this kabuki theater or it’s gonna be an interesting thanksgiving in the romney household

[Embedded content]

So… thanksgiving at the Romneys, Christmas at the Conways? Who’s with me?

459
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:30:37pm

re: #449 KGxvi

He really wasn’t terrible as governor. And you can’t really blame the housing crash on him.

Wrong.

He tried to impose a statewide school voucher system.
He tried to break unions.
He let Enron off the hook.
He furloughed state employees and severely backed up disability case processing.
He let the red ink flow unchecked.

Arnold sucked as Governor!

460
sagehen  Jan 2, 2019 • 2:31:28pm

re: #449 KGxvi

He really wasn’t terrible as governor. And you can’t really blame the housing crash on him.

No, but he can be blamed for letting Enron get away with all their shit.

461
Jay C  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:41:17am

re: #406 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Well, Mitchell does specify a “high-quality” wall: obviously, the problem was that Hadrian didn’t deploy enough drones to keep an eye on the Picts….

462
Alephnaught  Jan 4, 2019 • 3:16:37pm

re: #258 bratwurst

Ok “Hispanic people who look and sound Mongolian”…you know what to do!

[Embedded content]

Hmm, can’t seem to retrieve that tweet. (Has it been deleted?) However, if you want to sound Mongolian, you can’t do better than this: “Ten Thousand Galloping Horses”, courtesy of Mongolian band Anda Union, whom I had the pleasure of seeing in Glasgow’s Celtic Connections festival two years ago.

Anda Union - Ten Thousand Galloping Horses


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