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freetoken  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:27:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 10:48:13pm

Big day in drug crime yesterday in Nebraska.

Troopers find cocaine, heroin, marijuana in western Nebraska traffic stops (Scottsbluff, Nebr. Star-Herald)

In the first, a Ford Mustang was traveling at 105 mph east on I-80 near Paxton (pop 520, right on the NE corner of Colorado). The state police started to give chase, the Mustang exited at Paxton and tried to re-enter I-80, went airborne, and landed and crashed in the eastbound lanes. The driver and passenger survived and escaped on foot, but were captured. Both men are from Illinois. They impounded a large quantity of heroin and cocaine.

In the second, a car was stopped on I-76 when speeding at mile marker 2 (that Interstate has no exits in Nebraska and dead-ends into I-80 eastbound at mile marker 3). The men in that car are from Chicago and Philadelphia, and also were carrying large quantities of cocaine and heroin.

One in the morning and one in the afternoon, within a couple miles of each other. I’m curious if they were part of a larger drug operation.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:03:14pm

ERDMAN: Western Nebraska paying the price for Colorado’s marijuana legalization

My state senator (Steve Erdman, R-District 47) weighing in on the so-called evils of maryane being legal in Colorado. Lots of scary stuff here (with no support for his assertions):

What we already know about Colorado’s love for weed has not been good for that state. For instance, among teens age 12-17 marijuana use has risen by 39 percent, and traffic fatalities involving users have also dramatically climbed. From 2007-2012 traffic fatalities increased by 100 percent among those testing positive for the drug. Emergency room visits related to marijuana use also increased 57 percent from 2011 to 2013. Therefore, I reject the argument that marijuana usage, whether it be for medical reasons or for recreational reasons, bears no social consequences.

He’s trying to make the case that voters in the next election should reject the legalisation referendum which will be on our ballot.

He also makes the argument of “it’s on Schedule 1 of the DEA, I believe it, that settles it.” I’m glad Sen. Erdman is such a supporter of the law he feels Donald Trump should be investigated (LOL no).

I personally know Steve Erdman. He’s a nice enough guy, but like other conservatives, he treats conservative tenets like a religious holy text (never to be questioned).

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freetoken  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:09:12pm

re: #3 Anymouse 🌹

ERDMAN: Western Nebraska paying the price for Colorado’s marijuana legalization


I personally know Steve Erdman. He’s a nice enough guy, but like other conservatives, he treats conservative tenets like a religious holy text (never to be questioned).

A personality trait that is diagnostic of self-declared “conservatives”. They are very much into an escapist view of life, one in which religious urges are thought of as the most important of human action.

The ability to question oneself intensely enough to make oneself uncomfortable is the opposite of what American conservatism is all about. American conservatism is about finding surety, even if the object of that surety is imaginary.

This also is why good artists tend to not be “conservative”, as the creation of art is directly tied to the angst one allows oneself to feel. Art is about communication through expression, and expression is the opposite of repression.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:13:15pm

re: #4 freetoken

A personality trait that is diagnostic of self-declared “conservatives”. They are very much into an escapist view of life, one in which religious urges are thought of as the most important of human action.

The ability to question oneself intensely enough to make oneself uncomfortable is the opposite of what American conservatism is all about. American conservatism is about finding surety, even if the object of that surety is imaginary.

This also is why good artists tend to not be “conservative”, as the creation of art is directly tied to the angst one allows oneself to feel. Art is about communication through expression, and expression is the opposite of repression.

He’s also full of crap on those traffic fatality statistics about Colorado.

The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety has a vested interest in keeping track of those numbers, because they use those to set car insurance rates across the industry.

The key metric on traffic fatalities is number per hundred thousand population.

Nebraska (where maryjane is illegal) has consistently been higher in fatalities than Colorado (where it is legal).

iihs.org

Looks like I will need to limber up the “liberal letter pen” for another letter to the editor of the Star-Herald. I’m not sure if they will print a letter from me calling my state senator either misinformed or a liar, even if I’m nice about it. It seems worth a try though.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:14:51pm

re: #4 freetoken

This also is why good artists tend to not be “conservative”, as the creation of art is directly tied to the angst one allows oneself to feel. Art is about communication through expression, and expression is the opposite of repression.

Witness Ben Garrison and Jon Laughton, conservative “artists” without a lick of artistic expressiveness.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:16:08pm

re: #6 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Witness Ben Garrison and Jon Laughton, conservative “artists” without a lick of artistic expressiveness.

Ben Garrison’s political cartoons look like the meme with the crazy-looking guy with the cards and yarn going everywhere.

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TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:16:59pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹

Ben Garrison’s political cartoons look like the meme with the crazy-looking guy with the cards and yarn going everywhere.

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austin_blue  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:17:55pm

Yes, Willis Allen Ramsey wrote “Muskrat Love”, but he also wrote this:

Ballad of Spider John - Willis Alan Ramsey

Night all, sweet dreams.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:17:56pm

re: #8 TedStriker

That’s the one.

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TedStriker  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:25:15pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

That’s the one.

All hail Pepe Silvia!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:27:39pm

re: #7 Anymouse 🌹

Garrison’s labeling his various elements is very old-fashioned, like political cartoons from decades ago. It also presupposes the viewer is not smart enough to see the symbolism (which is his case is zero, anyway). Modern political cartoonists go for a more focused look, with no more than three elements in a panel, instead of Garrison’s one or two dozen. Laughton also overdoes it when it comes to elements or figures in a painting. It’s like he can’t decide which are the important ones, so he puts them all in. The result is confusing and very ugly composition.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:30:00pm

On the surface this is such a minor detail but it perfectly illustrates the beltway press’ blindness to their own unconscious biases and double standard when it comes to language. On it’s face the word scurry may have a neutral definition but in modern practice it evokes the movements of vermin hiding from light and threat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:37:50pm

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

Letter submitted.

State Senator Steve Erdman had a recent article in the Star-Herald decrying the death rate from automobile accidents where the driver tested positive for marijuana has steadily climbed. He cites this as proof that legalization is bad for Nebraska.

Politicfact already dealt with his argument: It was a flawed study from the conservative Heritage Foundation. Georgia conservatives are using the same talking point (fatalities are up 100%). That study cites the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, but NHTSA itself says they have no such data.

The important metric in highway deaths is the number per 100,000 people. Nebraska has consistently scored above Colorado in that, both before and after legalization in Colorado.

That information can be found from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. They have a vested interest in those figures, as the numbers are used to set car insurance rates.

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freetoken  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:39:00pm

I should retire to Florida:

… if only it weren’t for “Florida Man” and his enablers.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:43:17pm

re: #15 freetoken

There’s always Hawaii.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:44:21pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There’s always Hawaii.

And Samoa and Guam.

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freetoken  Jan 2, 2019 • 11:59:31pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There’s always Hawaii.

Been there a few times. I get island fever very quickly.

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

And Samoa and Guam.

Islands, small islands…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:00:57am

re: #18 freetoken

Islands, small islands…

Surrounded by a big ocean.

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freetoken  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:08:31am

For all my complaints about the cold nights here, looking at the national map for this week, the high temps across the country look rather above normal, especially in the snow states.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:15:52am

re: #20 freetoken

For all my complaints about the cold nights here, looking at the national map for this week, the high temps across the country look rather above normal, especially in the snow states.

Well, looking at the national map right now I see a winter storm warning in southern Oklahoma and northern Texas. A winter storm watch stretches south to near the Mexican border.

Here is 16°F (-9° Commie). That’s about normal. That said, we had record-breaking snowfall and cooler-than-average temperatures in November, so checkmate libtards, no global warming.

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freetoken  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:35:43am

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

It will get warmer this week.

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freetoken  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:36:56am

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

That said, we had record-breaking snowfall and cooler-than-average temperatures in November, so checkmate libtards, no global warming.

Increased fall precipitation is one of the predictions for your part of the world, as surface temps increase.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:37:56am

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Well, looking at the national map right now I see a winter storm warning in southern Oklahoma and northern Texas. A winter storm watch stretches south to near the Mexican border.

Here is 16°F (-9° Commie). That’s about normal. That said, we had record-breaking snowfall and cooler-than-average temperatures in November, so checkmate libtards, no global warming.

It’s 35 here in sunny warm bay area.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:43:18am

Okay, my bathtub is weird. It is a nightlight.

Specifically, that 300W light bulb which keeps my kitchen pipes from freezing is directly under the drain. The drain pipe is PVC, which allows a limited amount of light to shine through it.

Thus, there is a light beam from my bathtub drain shining up to the ceiling.

On that note, I think I will go to bed. G’night, y’all.

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freetoken  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:55:45am
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freetoken  Jan 3, 2019 • 1:54:07am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 2:43:37am

Morning Lizards. For those who are interested it’s 9 degrees F here in Twinky Flats

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Decatur Deb  Jan 3, 2019 • 3:14:22am

re: #28 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Ain’t sayin’ nuthin’ except we’ll pay for it in August, here in Baja Alabama.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 3, 2019 • 3:32:44am

Perfectly fine winter weather here in Chicago suburbs. 25 degrees now and scheduled to reach 41 later today. Maybe will wear my light coat!

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Chrysicat  Jan 3, 2019 • 3:42:27am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 4:05:37am

re: #29 Decatur Deb

Ain’t sayin’ nuthin’ except we’ll pay for it in August, here in Baja Alabama.

Yep same here. We’ll be in triple digits by the middle of July.

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 3, 2019 • 4:38:01am

It has just turned 2019 and the TV newstalkers can’t shut up about Mitt Romney, I want to try another universe please.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 4:48:57am

Great Job by Santi with the RAM…. I need to say this though, as a guy, I think most of us know a Santi or 2……. And we hate them!! Especially at parties…

// (maybe)….

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 3, 2019 • 4:52:17am

re: #5 Anymouse 🌹

Looks like I will need to limber up the “liberal letter pen” for another letter to the editor of the Star-Herald. I’m not sure if they will print a letter from me calling my state senator either misinformed or a liar, even if I’m nice about it. It seems worth a try though.

Do post it. Your liberal letter pen is always excellent.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 3, 2019 • 4:56:54am

re: #35 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Do post it. Your liberal letter pen is always excellent.

I see that did. Excellent.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:19:13am

re: #14 Anymouse 🌹

Letter submitted.

State Senator Steve Erdman had a recent article in the Star-Herald decrying the death rate from automobile accidents where the driver tested positive for marijuana has steadily climbed. He cites this as proof that legalization is bad for Nebraska.

Politicfact already dealt with his argument: It was a flawed study from the conservative Heritage Foundation. Georgia conservatives are using the same talking point (fatalities are up 100%). That study cites the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, but NHTSA itself says they have no such data.

The important metric in highway deaths is the number per 100,000 people. Nebraska has consistently scored above Colorado in that, both before and after legalization in Colorado.

That information can be found from the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. They have a vested interest in those figures, as the numbers are used to set car insurance rates.

So, according to conservatives, gun deaths are nothing to worry about, or at least nothing for which anything can be done, but auto deaths where marijuana may be involved are.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:23:04am

re: #37 Sir John Barron

Christian Values

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:42:25am
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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:47:00am

I believe I remember reading about this sometime last month, but I guess this is the official release:

Yep. Per always, the only answer is more gun. Gun is literally the only safety and security in this country ever, and if you don’t like gun, you hate your fellow man and baby Jesus and want them to die, apparently.

In Gun and Gun Alone We Trust .

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:47:15am

Aaaagh!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:49:11am

re: #39 Patricia Kayden

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And FNC is probably also at the same time calling people who had a problem with CK’s set snowflakes. FFS wanting a political entity to die is pretty common. And they got a “humor expert.” Your network should die FNC.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:50:42am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

Aaaagh!!!

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But at least he didn’t talk to Bill Clinton.//

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 5:54:21am
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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:00:07am

The media is a vampire, and their lifeblood is demanding Dems be blamed for everything.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:01:25am

re: #44 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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It’s oerfectjy believable because it’s Tucker and FNC. Racist fucks.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:01:31am

re: #45 Citizen K

The media is a vampire, and their lifeblood is demanding Dems be blamed for everything.

Media 2009-2016: Why won’t President Obama reach out to Republicans?

Media 2017-2019: Why won’t Dems compromise with DJT?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:05:06am

re: #45 Citizen K

The media is a vampire, and their lifeblood is demanding Dems be blamed for everything.

“OK, here’s our compromise: three dollars for The Wall, which Mexico is supposed to pay for.”

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jeffreyw  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:08:19am

Imgur


Good morning!

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:08:39am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:12:11am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:13:15am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:20:13am

LOL

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:20:17am

I have to find more things like this to remind myself that good things are actually happening state level even in dire places like Missouri.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:25:25am
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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:29:10am

re: #54 Citizen K

The prosecutor’s office there needs a total house cleaning given the way that they’ve prosecuted cases under McCulloch.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:30:41am

re: #45 Citizen K

The media is a vampire, and their lifeblood is demanding Dems be blamed for everything.

“A functioning government is not a barganing chip, it is our job. Trump doesn’t get to trade that for a wall. What he is doing is hostage taking. Compromise is when Democrats offered $25B for the wall in exchange for citizenship for DACA recepients, which Trump refused twice. We won’t bargain with the basic functions of government.”

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:30:45am

re: #56 lawhawk

The prosecutor’s office there needs a total house cleaning given the way that they’ve prosecuted cases under McCulloch.

And a bunch of those prosecutors recently joined the police union. Unreal.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:30:57am

re: #56 lawhawk

The prosecutor’s office there needs a total house cleaning given the way that they’ve prosecuted cases under McCulloch.

Bell seems to be off to a running start on that from the looks. Good to see.

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:30:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:31:02am

re: #54 Citizen K

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I have to find more things like this to remind myself that good things are actually happening state level even in dire places like Missouri.

This is why local elections matter.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:32:33am

Trading opened, what, two minutes ago?

The Dow is down 242 points.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:33:15am

re: #60 darthstar

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Well when people like Phil get their news from FNC and Trump, no wonder they think this. Btw Phil, we’re going to fire Donnie and your tears will be glorious.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:33:23am

This seems kinda pointless right now. Get a bunch of investigations done and publish those and do the impeachment then.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:34:49am

re: #60 darthstar

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They don’t want a president, they want an unaccountable God-King.

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:34:59am

re: #62 MsJ

Trading opened, what, two minutes ago?

The Dow is down 242 points.

At least Trump can blame Pelosi today. //

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:35:00am

re: #45 Citizen K

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The media is a vampire, and their lifeblood is demanding Dems be blamed for everything.

We have
We’ve separated the wall and border security issue from the rest of the shutdown
Tell the senate to pass the six bills send them to the wh and end the damn shutdown

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:37:05am

re: #64 MsJ

This seems kinda pointless right now. Get a bunch of investigations done and publish those and do the impeachment then.

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Token impeachment. Let him have his fun. It’ll make a few people happy.

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:37:53am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:38:07am

re: #62 MsJ

Trading opened, what, two minutes ago?

The Dow is down 242 points.

Seven minutes in and we’re down 355.

WINNING!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:39:36am

So my Assad loving state senator is leaving. Good riddance to a disgusting asshole. Post thinks it means the GOP nominate a moderate but I dunno.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:39:40am

good!

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:42:46am

Fucking trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:43:42am

re: #73 MsJ

Fucking trump.

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That’s what happens when you have a xenophobic asshole and what happens when you’ve got an inclusive guy too.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:43:55am

Head of Department of Hens and Hatcheries: Mr. Fox….

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:44:18am

re: #69 darthstar

As planned.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:45:15am

re: #40 Citizen K

I believe I remember reading about this sometime last month, but I guess this is the official release:

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Yep. Per always, the only answer is more gun. Gun is literally the only safety and security in this country ever, and if you don’t like gun, you hate your fellow man and baby Jesus and want them to die, apparently.

In Gun and Gun Alone We Trust .

as long as private sales go unchecked, anyone can get a gun

any other paperwork, bg check, waiting period, database, list, whatever is totally meaningless

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:48:41am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:50:41am

i’ve watched this for days and it only just occurred to me

trump is ‘negotiating with’ / ‘meeting with’ pelosi and schumer

not mcconnell

i just kept passing over it as nothing. this morning i said, whoa

what does this say and what does it look like?
sure, we all know

and it’s still really stupid

aside from conflating the shutdown with the wall, that pelosi will in short order separate,

trump should be meeting with the *leaders* of both houses

trump has publicly tipped his hand about who he thinks is in control - it’s schumer, not mcconnell

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:51:10am

re: #73 MsJ

Fucking trump.

You can’t build motherboards with Reordan Steel.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:53:33am

re: #79 dangerman

It’s also this: He’s not negotiating, he’s grandstanding. He’s trying to shift the blame. “Why can’t Schumer get this through the Senate? He’s a bad negotiator.”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:53:55am

re: #78 darthstar

Presidential Harassment - could mean three things. The president is harassing people. People are harassing the president. People are harassing other people presidentially. I’m going with number one.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:59:12am

re: #78 darthstar

The Shutdown is only because of the 2020 Presidential Election. The Democrats know they can’t win based on all of the achievements of “Trump,” so they are going all out on the desperately needed Wall and Border Security - and Presidential Harassment. For them, strictly politics!

Sean McCabe
@darthstar99
BREAKING: Area Florida man doesn’t understand jack shit.

(mar-a-grifto) / west palm beach

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:59:20am

This is just so cool.

This is the America I want, not the Wall-building xenophobic dystopia of the Trumpistas.

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:59:43am

re: #82 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Presidential Harassment - could mean three things. The president is harassing people. People are harassing the president. People are harassing other people presidentially. I’m going with number one.

He’s just getting warmed up. Just tweeted about billions coming in from tariffs. It’s as if his little library of tweeting points got put in random order while he was sleeping and he can’t get them back in order.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 6:59:54am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:00:09am

re: #40 Citizen K

I believe I remember reading about this sometime last month, but I guess this is the official release:

[Embedded content]

Yep. Per always, the only answer is more gun. Gun is literally the only safety and security in this country ever, and if you don’t like gun, you hate your fellow man and baby Jesus and want them to die, apparently.

In Gun and Gun Alone We Trust .

Yeah give teachers guns…watch what happens when a couple football players on roads jump a teacher, take the gun and then go on a shooting spree because they flunked a test…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:00:58am

re: #81 Belafon

It’s also this: He’s not negotiating, he’s grandstanding. He’s trying to shift the blame. “Why can’t Schumer get this through the Senate? He’s a bad negotiator.”

no doubt
and the polls say that aint sticking

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:01:37am

re: #84 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is just so cool.

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This is the America I want, not the Wall-building xenophobic dystopia of the Trumpistas.

Indeed. If Trump has his way, she wouldn’t be here.

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darthstar  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:02:03am

Crap…better walk the dogs…got the long commute today. See you all in a couple of hours. Enjoy the ride…it’s going to be a news day.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:06:50am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:07:02am
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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:07:07am

Natasha set Sherriff Flair straight on Manafort.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:08:50am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:09:55am

Dow now down 476.

Woo hoo! Movement!

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:11:43am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:12:30am

re: #93 makeitstop

Natasha set Sherriff Flair straight on Manafort.

It’ll be the cherry on the cake when Mueller reveals what he has on Ex-Sheriff Shithead!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:12:42am
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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:12:50am

re: #47 Sir John Barron

Media 2009-2016: Why won’t President Obama reach out to Republicans?

Media 2017-2019: Why won’t Dems compromise with DJT?

NBC Today…5 minutes to put up a lame question as to why the shutdown isn’t also the Democrats responsibility.

But they can spend a half hour talking about what their “talent” did over the holidays.

I used to like the first half hour or The Today Show because that was their news segment.

Reading 10 posts here first thing in the morning and I know more and in better depth.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:14:02am

Dow now -513.

^VIX jumping past 24 and rising.

Oh, it’s gonna be another Bette Davis day on Wall Street!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:15:17am

re: #99 ObserverArt

NBC Today…5 minutes to put up a lame question as to why the shutdown isn’t also the Democrats responsibility.

But they can spend a half hour talking about what their “talent” did over the holidays.

I used to like the first half hour or The Today Show because that was their news segment.

Reading 10 posts here first thing in the morning and I know more and in better depth.

Matt Liar may be gone but the Republican talking points continue unabated…

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:17:57am

Dow down 575. Weeeeee.

And off to a meeting I go. BBIAB.

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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:21:03am

re: #70 MsJ

Seven minutes in and we’re down 355.

WINNING!

I’m thinking the markets are going to be freaking today because of the new Democrat House of Reps taking their seats for the new 116th Congress.

Uncertainty and the fact that shit is about to hit the fan politically. Buckle up!

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:22:08am

re: #95 MsJ

Dow now down 476.

Woo hoo! Movement!

So is diarrhea.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:23:31am

Trump is so scared…he’s munching on a half dozen Big Macs and fries right now while he’s watching FAUX and FIENDS!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:24:13am

Dow now -509…^VIX just jumped past 25…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:29:04am

re: #95 MsJ

Dow now down 476.

Woo hoo! Movement!

that was so 15 minutes ago

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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:30:37am

re: #79 dangerman

i’ve watched this for days and it only just occurred to me

trump is ‘negotiating with’ / ‘meeting with’ pelosi and schumer

not mcconnell

i just kept passing over it as nothing. this morning i said, whoa

what does this say and what does it look like?
sure, we all know

and it’s still really stupid

aside from conflating the shutdown with the wall, that pelosi will in short order separate,

trump should be meeting with the *leaders* of both houses

trump has publicly tipped his hand about who he thinks is in control - it’s schumer, not mcconnell

I would suggest you should have made that Pelosi and Schumer as far as who Trump thinks is in control.

And since your post is about who is not in the negotiations, you forgot Kevin McCarthy.

Both Republican Congressional leaders.

Then again…Trump may know there is no reason to have McConnell and McCarthy involved.

They already have been beaten down and put in their places by Trump and Russia!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:34:33am

re: #108 ObserverArt

I would suggest you should have made that Pelosi and Schumer as far as who Trump thinks is in control.

And since your post is about who is not in the negotiations, you forgot Kevin McCarthy.

Both Republican Congressional leaders.

Then again…Trump may know there is no reason to have McConnell and McCarthy involved.

They already have been beaten down and put in their places by Trump and Russia!

yes i was not clear. that’s what i meant
in charge: pelosi and schumer
should be negotiating with: pelosi and mcconnell

you want to bring in the two minority leaders as well, that’s fine, probably a good idea

i was talking mostly about the optics
for such a brilliant ‘negotiator’ he shoots himself in the foot constantly

he’s really bad at the thing he thinks he’s great at

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Broad With Sass  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:39:18am

-624 dow

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HappyWarrior  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:39:53am

re: #93 makeitstop

Natasha set Sherriff Flair straight on Manafort.

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Oh go fuck yourself Clarke.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:43:15am

The Whelan case heats up…

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:43:26am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:44:35am

re: #112 makeitstop

They must want Butina back really bad.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:45:01am

So much for border security.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:47:30am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

They must want Butina back really bad.

That dude’s a hard core Red Hat. ‘God Save President Trump’ on his Twitter feed.

What are the chances that the ‘indictment’ and subsequent ‘swap’ (if it comes to that) are basically using this guy, with his permission, as a chip to get Butina back on Russian soil?

The whole thing smells funny. Staged, even.

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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:52:22am

re: #117 makeitstop

That dude’s a hard core Red Hat. ‘God Save President Trump’ on his Twitter feed.

What are the chances that the ‘indictment’ and subsequent ‘swap’ (if it comes to that) are basically using this guy, with his permission, as a chip to get Butina back on Russian soil?

The whole thing smells funny.

I’d say the chances are good.

If he says anything at all about Butina in the next few days it is on. You can always count on Trump giving off a very noticeable tell.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:53:08am

re: #117 makeitstop

That dude’s a hard core Red Hat. ‘God Save President Trump’ on his Twitter feed.

What are the chances that the ‘indictment’ and subsequent ‘swap’ (if it comes to that) are basically using this guy, with his permission, as a chip to get Butina back on Russian soil?

The whole thing smells funny.

I really wouldn’t be surprised.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:54:29am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 7:58:54am

re: #114 b_sharp

YouTube

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:05:31am

Your proposal is satisfactory, Senator.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:17:47am
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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:27:38am

Indeed.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:29:44am

re: #117 makeitstop

That dude’s a hard core Red Hat. ‘God Save President Trump’ on his Twitter feed.

What are the chances that the ‘indictment’ and subsequent ‘swap’ (if it comes to that) are basically using this guy, with his permission, as a chip to get Butina back on Russian soil?

The whole thing smells funny. Staged, even.

Agreed. The FBI can throw a giant size spanner into the works by persuading Butina to refuse the exchange. There are several ways to do this. One, obviously, is to sweeten her deal. The other would be to convince her of the consequences to her if the Russians can be made to believe that she has already revealed too much.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:30:05am

re: #122 makeitstop

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Your proposal is satisfactory, Senator.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:33:05am

re: #122 makeitstop

Graham: “If [Trump] gives in now, that’s the end of 2019 in terms of him being an effective President. That’s probably the end of his presidency.”

Your proposal is satisfactory, Senator.

shorter graham: fuck the workers and fuck the nation. This is about trump!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:39:00am

re: #127 dangerman

shorter graham: fuck the workers and fuck the nation. This is about trump!

Yeah but it’s the Dems being about politics, DJT just said so.

///

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:39:05am

re: #122 makeitstop

Your proposal is satisfactory, Senator.

Don’t worry, Graham, he’s already a lame duck president, he just doesn’t know it yet.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:41:51am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:44:05am

re: #130 lawhawk

The Catholic Church is effectively a protective racket for child molesters. How they’ve gotten away with this outrageous conduct for so long is beyond me. They should have been bankrupted based on all the settlements for sexual abuse cases long ago.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:45:27am

Trump, the fucknut who thinks that being a misogynist and bigot will endear him to a fraction of the population, thinks that it’s funny that he’s being a bigot with respect to Warren?

Yeah, removing all doubt that Trump’s a misogynistic bigot. Not that the media or the pundits give a shit. They’re too busy looking to magic balance fairy the hell out of things - or that somehow Warren is to blame.

I agree with the above sentiment - that every Democrat running (not just the women) should be saying that they’re here to repair the damage done by the GOP and Trump specifically. They’re here to call out the deplorables and bigots. They’re here to remind everyone that Equal Protection under the law means that depriving women and minorities of their rights isn’t tolerated - and that the GOP has sought to gut the protections for women and minorities. Explicitly call for reenactment of the VRA, VAWA, and move to roll back all the environmental damage done by Trump and his deplorable band of buffoons, bigots, and bros.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:45:48am

re: #125 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Agreed. The FBI can throw a giant size spanner into the works by persuading Butina to refuse the exchange. There are several ways to do this. One, obviously, is to sweeten her deal. The other would be to convince her of the consequences to her if the Russians can be made to believe that she has already revealed too much.

Why does the FBI have to agree to the exchange anyway, with or without Butina’s cooperation?

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:47:18am

re: #133 Sir John Barron

Why does the FBI have to agree to the exchange anyway, with or without Butina’s cooperation?

Because it will be ultimately up to Trump unless she refuses.

I don’t think it’s up to them.

Edited: Read your question wrong.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:48:30am

re: #134 Belafon

Reload.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:49:37am

re: #134 Belafon

Because it will be ultimately up to Trump unless she refuses.

I don’t think it’s up to them.

Edited: Read your question wrong.

Yeah I was wondering about that, too.

Can DJT just order an exchange? Nothing weird or corrupt about that, no sirree.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:52:01am

re: #122 makeitstop

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Your proposal is satisfactory, Senator.

Putin is really yanking L’il Lindsay’s chain

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:55:08am

re: #130 lawhawk

They church knowingly engaged in a multidecade cover-up of abuse, shifting abusers from parish to parish, and continued to hinder investigations and victims from getting justice.

And Cardinal Ratzinger was rewarded with the tiara for orchestrating that, never forget….

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:55:14am

re: #132 lawhawk

Trump, the fucknut who thinks that being a misogynist and bigot will endear him to a fraction of the population, thinks that it’s funny that he’s being a bigot with respect to Warren?

Yeah, removing all doubt that Trump’s a misogynistic bigot. Not that the media or the pundits give a shit. They’re too busy looking to magic balance fairy the hell out of things - or that somehow Warren is to blame.

I agree with the above sentiment - that every Democrat running (not just the women) should be saying that they’re here to repair the damage done by the GOP and Trump specifically. They’re here to call out the deplorables and bigots. They’re here to remind everyone that Equal Protection under the law means that depriving women and minorities of their rights isn’t tolerated - and that the GOP has sought to gut the protections for women and minorities. Explicitly call for reenactment of the VRA, VAWA, and move to roll back all the environmental damage done by Trump and his deplorable band of buffoons, bigots, and bros.

- liberty and justice for all
- When it’s better for everyone, it’s better for everyone - Eleanor Roosevelt

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:56:17am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

Yeah I was wondering about that, too.

Can DJT just order an exchange? Nothing weird or corrupt about that, no sirree.

i’d hope mueller’s got most of what he needs out of her already

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garzooma  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:56:53am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

Yeah I was wondering about that, too.

Can DJT just order an exchange? Nothing weird or corrupt about that, no sirree.

He already fired Comey, and people seem to have decided that trying to stop an investigation to get away with criminal conduct isn’t that big a deal. It wasn’t even a campaign issue.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:59:02am
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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:59:51am

re: #137 Joe Bacon 🌹

Putin is really yanking L’il Lindsay’s chain

The one thing I’m noticing is that Trump’s minions are getting more and more dramatic (‘end of his presidency!!!’ ‘Crisis at the border!!!’), and it doesn’t seem to stick like it used to.

I think people are starting to wise up to the bogus drama, which is a good thing.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 8:59:57am

re: #117 makeitstop

That dude’s a hard core Red Hat. ‘God Save President Trump’ on his Twitter feed.

What are the chances that the ‘indictment’ and subsequent ‘swap’ (if it comes to that) are basically using this guy, with his permission, as a chip to get Butina back on Russian soil?

The whole thing smells funny. Staged, even.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:02:43am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:02:54am

re: #144 MsJ

They must have the same lawyer

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:03:04am

re: #144 MsJ

“I myself hope that we can rescue and bring home one Russian soul.”

Well, there you fucking go. Kayfabe.

Let ‘em keep Whelan for all I care.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:03:43am

re: #145 Patricia Kayden

Which parents?

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:05:23am

re: #147 makeitstop

Well, there you fucking go. Kayfabe.

Let ‘em keep Whelan for all I care.

That is my take, too.

Creepy ex-marine who was drummed out for shady shit…a bunch of shady shit.

Repeatedly goes to Russia for years.

In a security position.

I am thinking the fucker is a Russian asset.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:05:23am

re: #145 Patricia Kayden

Fox & Friends: Parents are Worried About Immigrants Killing Children in Their Sleep

i read these kinds of headlines and i cant help but….

- so they dont worry about immigrants killing children who are awake?
- they dont worry about children (awake or asleep) being killed by the 300+million “not-immigrants”?

boneheads

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:05:29am

re: #146 Sir John Barron

They must have the same lawyer

Looks like Whelan’s representation is Russian.

Nope. Nothing weird going on here at all…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:10:38am

re: #147 makeitstop

Well, there you fucking go. Kayfabe.

Let ‘em keep Whelan for all I care.

Yeah we don’t want ‘em or need ‘em.

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Jay C  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:11:07am

re: #150 dangerman

re: #145 Patricia Kayden

Fox & Friends: Parents are Worried About Immigrants Killing Children in Their Sleep

i read these kinds of headlines and i cant help but….

- so they dont worry about immigrants killing children who are awake?
- they dont worry about children (awake or asleep) being killed by the 300+million “not-immigrants”?

boneheads

Bad editing: what it sounds like is the parents’ fear is that immigrants will kill children in THEIR (the immigrants’) sleep: i.e. we should be worried about an “invasion” of somnambulistic murderers.

Paging Doctor Caligari…..

“boneheads” is putting it (much too) mildly.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:13:43am

re: #149 MsJ

That is my take, too.

Creepy ex-marine who was drummed out for shady shit…a bunch of shady shit.

Repeatedly goes to Russia for years.

In a security position.

I am thinking the fucker is a Russian asset.

Or Whelan nominated himself for Super Duper CIA Spy of the Year and the Russians believed him.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:16:10am

Good god. We’re so fucked.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:18:04am

re: #155 MsJ

Good god. We’re so fucked.

Ask the farmers how all of this is going for them, dude.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:18:21am

re: #136 Sir John Barron

Yeah I was wondering about that, too.

Can DJT just order an exchange? Nothing weird or corrupt about that, no sirree.

Weird and corrupt hasn’t bothered him, or his weird and corrupt base, yet. He can in fact order the exchange since the FBI is under his authority. In a pinch he and that MAGAts can sell a refusal as the Deep State callously letting an innocent American rot in the Gulag just to advance their witch hunt. If she refuses, though, it becomes a violation of her due process rights, as well as her right to asylum, and the courts would step in.

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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:18:43am

re: #124 makeitstop

Indeed.

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Elizabeth Warren was on last with Rachel night and she made a good point.

She acknowledged there will be many Democrat candidates running this 2020 election. Which I am fearful off myself. I think she knows a way to maybe cut back on all the different candidates and all those different ideas they would bring being pitted against each other.

She suggested they all need to get together and pound out a common theme and common platform points they can all agree too to show a strong party unity.

In a way it may show that they all have the same goal on very important issues like climate, voting rights, election reforms and outside money, economy/wages and health care and insurance.

It may help cut back on the outside attacks and on all the questions by our meddlesome media. And it may cut down on Bernie Bros-like far left criticisms.

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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:21:21am
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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:27:17am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:33:51am
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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:34:31am

re: #155 MsJ

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:35:10am

re: #155 MsJ

Good god. We’re so fucked.

Trump economic adviser says “a heck of a lot” of U.S. companies are going to see reductions in their earnings because of Trump’s hard line on China — but he suggests that’s a good thing, since “that puts a lot of pressure on China to make a deal.”

yeah - sheriff bart holding the gun to his own head and demanding the town give him the job

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:35:54am

So I have spent the past 15 weeks prepping for a powerlifting meet, slept good, ate good, trained hard. I managed to not get hurt. Today…I broke my damn thumb when it got pinned between the bar and the squat rack.

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:36:44am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Damn. Upding only for Mr. Murphy and his fool law.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:37:18am

re: #165 Ferdinand

yup. I jinxed it when I joked the other day saying I made it through without getting hurt.

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Citizen K  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:37:34am

re: #150 dangerman

i read these kinds of headlines and i cant help but….

- so they dont worry about immigrants killing children who are awake?
- they dont worry about children (awake or asleep) being killed by the 300+million “not-immigrants”?

boneheads

But don’t you know, immigrants are a monolithic savage mass of singleminded pyscho criminals! Let one in and all of them will have their programming triggered to kill Real American(tm) and bathe in their blood as a ritual to their Immigrant God!

…Imma stop there because I’m worried I’m not actually making it outlandish enough compared to what these folks actually believe.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:39:11am

re: #158 ObserverArt

Elizabeth Warren was on last with Rachel night and she made a good point.

She acknowledged there will be many Democrat candidates running this 2020 election. Which I am fearful off myself. I think she knows a way to maybe cut back on all the different candidates and all those different ideas they would bring being pitted against each other.

She suggested they all need to get together and pound out a common theme and common platform points they can all agree too to show a strong party unity.

In a way it may show that they all have the same goal on very important issues like climate, voting rights, election reforms and outside money, economy/wages and health care and insurance.

It may help cut back on the outside attacks and on all the questions by our meddlesome media. And it may cut down on Bernie Bros-like far left criticisms.

i think that most of them could meet and have productive even ‘compromising’ / agreeing conversations

sorry i see bernie walking in saying “here’s what we need, the rest is nonsense” and drowning the rest of them out. look i should know i’ve already done this. and i shoulda won. so if you all just get behind me…..

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:42:47am

re: #168 dangerman

i think that most of them could meet and have productive even ‘compromising’ / agreeing conversations

sorry i see bernie walking in saying “here’s what we need, the rest is nonsense” and drowning the rest of them out. look i should know i’ve already done this. and i shoulda won. so if you all just get behind me…..

Group: We need univeral health care.
Bernie: Yeah, I agree, but -
Group: We need to provide a living minimum wage for everyone.
Bernie: I agree with that, too, but -
Group: We need to make sure minorities get the treated like everyone else.
Bernie: Now, now, we have to deal with the economy.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:43:07am

re: #161 MsJ

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I assume they just turn around and go home once they encounter a wall, right?

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:44:25am

re: #168 dangerman

i think that most of them could meet and have productive even ‘compromising’ / agreeing conversations

sorry i see bernie walking in saying “here’s what we need, the rest is nonsense” and drowning the rest of them out. look i should know i’ve already done this. and i shoulda won. so if you all just get behind me…..

Yep. It pissed me off a couple months ago when I went to the Moose club to put my name in for the board president election. They told me I couldn’t put my name in for the position. I told them I was just as qualified as the other candidates. Yet they kept throwing in my face the fact that I wasn’t even a dues paying member of the club. Fucking establishment cronies!

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:44:50am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:45:31am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So I have spent the past 15 weeks prepping for a powerlifting meet, slept good, ate good, trained hard. I managed to not get hurt. Today…I broke my damn thumb when it got pinned between the bar and the squat rack.

Dude. That sucks! I hope you’re ok.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:46:50am

re: #170 Mike Lamb

I assume they just turn around and go home once they encounter a wall, right?

The stupid burns like napalm.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:48:14am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:48:28am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So I have spent the past 15 weeks prepping for a powerlifting meet, slept good, ate good, trained hard. I managed to not get hurt. Today…I broke my damn thumb when it got pinned between the bar and the squat rack.

i feel your pain (and i know it’s not the same thing)

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:48:33am

re: #173 MsJ

thanks. I’ll be alright, just pushes out competing for a while

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:50:03am

re: #170 Mike Lamb

I assume they just turn around and go home once they encounter a wall, right?

bangalore torpedo

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:51:22am

re: #171 Eventual Carrion

Yep. It pissed me off a couple months ago when I went to the Moose club to put my name in for the board president election. They told me I couldn’t put my name in for the position. I told them I was just as qualified as the other candidates. Yet they kept throwing in my face the fact that I wasn’t even a dues paying member of the club. Fucking establishment cronies!

kid doing homework: ma, do you know how lions make love?
ma: no, son. we’re rotarians.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:51:40am

re: #161 MsJ

The dumbassery is strong with that one…

SEALs… they encounter walls and go home?

Walls worked out great for OBL, didn’t they.

SEALs don’t train for climbing walls and other obstacles?

Oh wait, he says that they’ve got workaround for that. It’s known as ropes, ladders, and teamwork. These are skills everyone around the world knows.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:52:01am

This seems like a big deal.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:53:16am

re: #172 lawhawk

The GOP/Trump shutdown cuts economic output by 0.1% every two weeks. Or
White House says *its* shutdown will cut U.S. economic output by about 0.1% every two weeks

There, fixed the headline for you.

on top of the direct damage to the furloughed workers, etc, the WH is willing to tank the economy by .1% a week because he hasnt got his wall

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:53:28am

re: #181 MsJ

As an aside, is that pic one of Trump’s 4xl shirts shown there?

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:53:34am

re: #180 lawhawk

The dumbassery is strong with that one…

SEALs… they encounter walls and go home?

Walls worked out great for OBL, didn’t they.

SEALs don’t train for climbing walls and other obstacles?

Oh wait, he says that they’ve got workaround for that. It’s known as ropes, ladders, and teamwork. These are skills everyone around the world knows.

Simplistic fixes is all they can consider.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:54:22am

re: #175 lawhawk

Historic wins? What nonsense are you talking about. The GOP got a historic drubbing in the House, and barely managed to eke out a win in the Senate where the seats were stacked in your favor.

one of his “Acting” bozos said yesterday he did about average for a president in the midterms

nope. not even that.
he got pasted

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:54:29am

re: #184 b_sharp

Simplistic fixes is all they can consider.

The conservative mind in seven simple words.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:54:33am

re: #177 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

thanks. I’ll be alright, just pushes out competing for a while

That was the worst part of getting my finger broken a couple of years ago - sitting in a room full of guitars and not being able to play them.

Hope you heal quick! Nothing is worse than being unable to do the thing you love.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:55:42am

re: #178 dangerman

That’s if you want to go through/under one.

You can just climb it… or vault over it… or scale it with ladders or ropes… the possibilities are endless.

Even the Urak Hai knew you could blow up walls - walls that have never been breached at Helm’s Deep. And they broke into Minas Tirinth too. And Osgiliath.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:56:18am

re: #185 dangerman

one of his “Acting” bozos said yesterday he did about average for a president in the midterms

nope. not even that.
he got pasted

2020 is going to kill Republicans. They could avoid it but seem intent on going down with trump.

I’ve never seen such lack is self preservation.

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:56:29am

re: #177 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

thanks. I’ll be alright, just pushes out competing for a while

If a digit offends you, cut it off.

Leather strap it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:57:38am

re: #175 lawhawk

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the wins WERE historic…just not for the GOP

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:57:40am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:58:04am

re: #189 MsJ

2020 is going to kill Republicans. They could avoid it but seem intent on going down with trump.

I’ve never seen such lack is self preservation.

Mind you, I’m totally fine with this.

Please proceed Republicans.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 9:59:11am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

Who is she?

She’s fabulously dressed. I’ll give her that. Quite the flair on that gal.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:01:15am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:01:39am

re: #194 MsJ

Who is she?

She’s fabulously dressed. I’ll give her that. Quite the flair on that gal.

Democratic Senator replacing McCain Flake

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:02:25am

re: #192 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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A tariff’s purpose it to make the goods too expensive to buy so sales drop. That hurts the source. It’s also supposed to make the local goods more attractive. However, the idea depends on local good’s cost being marginally higher than the goods under tariff, not a shit load higher.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:03:21am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:03:35am

re: #168 dangerman

i think that most of them could meet and have productive even ‘compromising’ / agreeing conversations

sorry i see bernie walking in saying “here’s what we need, the rest is nonsense” and drowning the rest of them out. look i should know i’ve already done this. and i shoulda won. so if you all just get behind me…..

bernie is already looking at some very nasty accusations of sexual harassment/discrimination by his 2016 campaign staff. Hopefully it will be enough to derail him in 2020.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:03:56am

re: #188 lawhawk

That’s if you want to go through/under one.

You can just climb it… or vault over it… or scale it with ladders or ropes… the possibilities are endless.

Even the Urak Hai knew you could blow up walls - walls that have never been breached at Helm’s Deep. And they broke into Minas Tirinth too. And Osgiliath.

i know we’re talking amongst ourselves here
i think in general that arguments like:
- walls dont work because
- the logistics would be….
- eminent domain…

in my mind sort of miss the point

a wall is not who we are

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:04:29am
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gwangung  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:04:56am

re: #199 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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bernie is already looking at some very nasty accusations of sexual harassment/discrimination by his 2016 campaign staff. Hopefully it will be enough to derail him in 2020.

He made a weak sauce apology. He had a chance for real leadership on this issue and he blew it….again.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:05:37am

First Baptist Dallas Members Melt Golden Jewelry Down Into Towering Donald Trump Statue

DALLAS, TX—In a powerful show of devotion to the president of the United States, members of First Baptist Dallas passed their golden jewelry, watches, and personal trinkets down to the front of the sanctuary Sunday morning, where Pastor Robert Jeffress melted the large pile of golden knickknacks into a towering statue of President Donald Trump.

Even without knowing the Babylon Bee, I would have recognized this as satire because:
-Since gold is about 8 times as dense as fat, a life-size statue of Trump would weigh a ton and a half and it’s unlikely the congregation would have quite that much gold on them.
-The Southern Baptist Convention intervened to stop the idolatry, which also seems less than likely.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:07:40am

re: #191 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the wins WERE historic…just not for the GOP

John McCain died
The guy they gave the job to doesn’t want it
You lost your election
That’s why you’re here
Nothing historic about it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:07:51am

For those who may have clear skies tonight:

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:09:03am

re: #197 b_sharp

A tariff’s purpose it to make the goods too expensive to buy so sales drop. That hurts the source. It’s also supposed to make the local goods more attractive. However, the idea depends on local good’s cost being marginally higher than the goods under tariff, not a shit load higher.

So, the iPhones and iPads manufactured in China… are those considered “imports”?

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CongoJack  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:09:04am

re: #197 b_sharp

A tariff’s purpose it to make the goods too expensive to buy so sales drop. That hurts the source. It’s also supposed to make the local goods more attractive. However, the idea depends on local good’s cost being marginally higher than the goods under tariff, not a shit load higher.

As you describe this is wounds like ‘Import Substitution Economy’ which was done in South America in the 60s-80s (Pinochet and Peron etc) and was at times tied to dictatorships to . It has taken South America until recently (with the exception of Venezuela which is still in a hole) to get themselves out of that hole.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:09:09am

re: #197 b_sharp

A tariff’s purpose it to make the goods too expensive to buy so sales drop. That hurts the source. It’s also supposed to make the local goods more attractive. However, the idea depends on local good’s cost being marginally higher than the goods under tariff, not a shit load higher.

And, the breadth of the Trump tariffs on manufacturing materials has also driven the prices of local manufactured goods higher, eroding any possible competitiveness with imported goods

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:10:18am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Even trump knows pelosis gonna win

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:10:26am

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

Democratic Senator replacing McCain Flake

She delivered the ass-whupping to Martha McSally.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:11:22am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:11:23am

re: #195 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m sick and I’m a shitty mood. Best not to get anywhere near my face let alone in it. Goddamn flu shot gave me the fucking flu. I’m unhappy today.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:11:50am

re: #204 dangerman

John McCain died
The guy they gave the job to doesn’t want it
You lost your election
That’s why you’re here
Nothing historic about it

Ok my bad I didn’t read……

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:13:23am

Having the House vote playing in the background (now 65-52 Pelosi, with 5 Other) I had to note that the GOP wins the “Reps with names starting with A and B” demographic. McCarthy was up by 10 votes at one point. Heh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:13:47am
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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:14:11am

re: #212 MsJ

I’m sick and I’m a shitty mood. Best not to get anywhere near my face let alone in it. Goddamn flu shot gave me the fucking flu. I’m unhappy today.

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It didn’t give you the flu. It triggered your immune responses and that’s what is making you feel like shit.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:15:16am

Holy crap: Ship Carrying 3500 Nissan Cars Ablaze and Adrift in Pacific

A massive cargo ship carrying thousands of brand new Nissan cars remains ablaze and adrift in a remote corner of the Pacific Ocean after a catastrophic fire broke out on New Years Eve, according to the Associated Press. Nearby merchant vessels responded to the distress call and rescued 16 crew members, while another five mariners are presumed dead.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:15:20am

re: #216 b_sharp

It didn’t give you the flu. It triggered your immune responses and that’s what is making you feel like shit.

I know.

You’re not helping. ☹️

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:15:24am
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sagehen  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:15:36am

re: #214 Ferdinand

Having the House vote playing in the background (now 65-52 Pelosi, with 5 Other) I had to note that the GOP wins the “Reps with names starting with A and B” demographic. McCarthy was up by 10 votes at one point. Heh.

Joseph?

//

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:17:39am

re: #187 makeitstop

thanks man! I’m just going to focus on what I can do and helping my wife get through the competition. Also waiting to talk to my coach and the specialist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:18:26am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:19:02am

re: #164 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

So I have spent the past 15 weeks prepping for a powerlifting meet, slept good, ate good, trained hard. I managed to not get hurt. Today…I broke my damn thumb when it got pinned between the bar and the squat rack.

OWTCH! 😖

I know the feeling. Please take care!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:19:49am

and we thought Orrin Hatch was a nightmare third in line…

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:20:09am

re: #220 sagehen

Kevin McCarthy, for the young’uns who don’t remember Joseph McCarthy, looks like such an empty suit. Of course the GOP pulls out one of their few women (Liz Cheney) to present his nomination. Currently 96-88 Pelosi over McCarthy. 8 Other.

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:20:28am

re: #218 MsJ

I know.

You’re not helping. ☹️

Sorry, too much contact with anti-vax shit. My mind is permanently in ‘explain their shit’ mode.

On a brighter note, I forgot today is my 42nd wedding anniversary. I actually forgot today is Jan 3.

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:20:30am

We’re at “Johnson of Texas”, who votes Pelosi.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:21:47am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST HAPPENED: Sen. @ChuckGrassley is now third in line to be president. (He’s the new President Pro Tem of the Senate.)

and we thought Orrin Hatch was a nightmare third in line…

nancy gonna cut in front of him soon

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:22:18am

My Rep, Kilmer of Washington, puts Pelosi at 106. Lotsa Kellys in Congress.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:22:53am

re: #225 Ferdinand

The Democrats who are voting for other are getting on my dang nerve.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:23:58am
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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:24:48am

re: #230 Patricia Kayden

The Democrats who are voting for other are getting on my dang nerve.

Seems like only a small number. Lots of happy Pelosi votes. Some of the “Other” category is GOP.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:25:12am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:27:09am

Another meeting and I can barely talk.

Shoot me now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:27:14am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:27:37am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:27:41am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

Translation: We’re waiting for the Twitterer in Chief to tell us what he and Putin want.

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Ferdinand  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:27:51am

Another GOP “other”, as Massie (spelling?) votes for Jordan. I think somebody in the GOP voted for Massie earlier. McCarthy votes for McCarthy. Heh. 133-116, with 12 Other.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:28:12am

re: #226 b_sharp

Sorry, too much contact with anti-vax shit. My mind is permanently in ‘explain their shit’ mode.

On a brighter note, I forgot today is my 42nd wedding anniversary. I actually forgot today is Jan 3.

🍰

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:29:06am

re: #131 Patricia Kayden

The Catholic Church is effectively a protective racket for child molesters. How they’ve gotten away with this outrageous conduct for so long is beyond me. They should have been bankrupted based on all the settlements for sexual abuse cases long ago.

I’m not Catholic but I do know a lot about Church politics so believe me when I say they are often a highly closed off and protective construct who protect their own at almost all costs.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:29:35am

So the handful of newbie Democrats who were vocal opponents of Pelosi are deciding that Pelosi isn’t their choice. That’s a tactical move on their part, and shouldn’t stop Pelosi from being named speaker either. 8 so far have cast ballots for someone other than Pelosi.

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:30:49am
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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:32:25am

re: #242 lawhawk

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Remember that one-day mutual masturbation session when the “liberal media” engaged in the fantasy that AOC was going to lead a socialist revolution against Pelosi?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:33:48am
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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:34:00am

re: #243 Targetpractice

That’s what happens when the punditry and media don’t get actual politics or that Pelosi is far more clever than most of them. AOC might be new to all this, but she’s got some skills, and could go quite far. Pelosi senses that too. Watch for them to use each other to maximum effect.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:35:05am

Ol’ Lindsey Graham says that if Trump caves to his wall demands it’ll be the end of his presidency and the end of the GOP.

Graham says this like it’s a bad thing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:36:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:36:19am
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nowherenorth2  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:36:48am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Good

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:37:09am

re: #247 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The FiveWhiteGuys make the surrender official.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:37:16am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck them.

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:37:35am

re: #248 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s no joy in Mudville.

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:37:37am

re: #250 Targetpractice

The FiveWhiteGuys make the surrender official.

Worst burger ever.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:39:10am

re: #233 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Apparently, that very happy little girl is Pelosi’s granddaughter

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:39:13am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

and we thought Orrin Hatch was a nightmare third in line…

Yeah, but he has to get through Pelosi first.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:39:50am

re: #246 Ace Rothstein

Ol’ Lindsey Graham says that if Trump caves to his wall demands it’ll be the end of his presidency and the end of the GOP.

Graham says this like it’s a bad thing.

The Drump Administration depends on…..a $5 billion appropriation.

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:40:29am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

There does not appear to be a single Hispanic or person of color at this table despite the entire debate focusing on immigration

That doesn’t make the debate/discussion irrelevant. There’s a wide variety of opinion within the Latino communities about immigration. Though it would be nice to have someone in the room who is a bit closer to the real issues than “oh, my nanny is from Bolivia”.

On another note, I get somewhat annoyed by the argument that you can only be represented by someone who is exactly like you. If that’s the case, as a man living in California, I haven’t been represented in the Senate since I was in junior high school. It is a net positive to have people with different live experiences and perspectives in the room, but to act like a white person can’t represent black people, or vice versa, is to object to the entire concept of representative democracy.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:40:51am

re: #245 lawhawk

That’s what happens when the punditry and media don’t get actual politics or that Pelosi is far more clever than most of them. AOC might be new to all this, but she’s got some skills, and could go quite far. Pelosi senses that too. Watch for them to use each other to maximum effect.

The media will love that there were votes against Pelosi. That will be their story, probably for the next two years.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:41:16am

re: #256 Sir John Barron

The Drump Administration depends on…..a $5 billion appropriation.

That will never be built anyway because of all the eminent domain lawsuits for at least a decade. The land grabs alone would cost twice what THE WALL would cost, minimum.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:41:17am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:41:35am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:42:22am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why did Republicans think AOC wasn’t going to support an effective, dynamic strong leader like Pelosi? She’s not stupid.

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:43:36am

re: #262 Patricia Kayden

Why did Republicans think AOC wasn’t going to support an effective, dynamic strong leader like Pelosi? She’s not stupid.

Because Republicans only have FNC on in their offices now and FNC has been telling them that AOC is an egotistical communist bent on world domination, so obviously she would have voted for someone other than Pelosi, possibly even herself.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:43:51am

re: #242 lawhawk

I’m waiting for calls that AOC’s now a corporate sellout.

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:43:58am

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

Neither of them are going to win the nomination, so whatever.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:44:03am

re: #262 Patricia Kayden

Why did Republicans think AOC wasn’t going to support an effective, dynamic strong leader like Pelosi? She’s not stupid.

They’re looking for a wedge.

Not today, Old White Dudes. Not today.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:45:27am

re: #257 KGxvi

That doesn’t make the debate/discussion irrelevant. There’s a wide variety of opinion within the Latino communities about immigration. Though it would be nice to have someone in the room who is a bit closer to the real issues than “oh, my nanny is from Bolivia”.

On another note, I get somewhat annoyed by the argument that you can only be represented by someone who is exactly like you. If that’s the case, as a man living in California, I haven’t been represented in the Senate since I was in junior high school. It is a net positive to have people with different live experiences and perspectives in the room, but to act like a white person can’t represent black people, or vice versa, is to object to the entire concept of representative democracy.

i agree, and you are right, in principle
in practice there are 14 people at that table….and their makeup wasnt by accident or even electoral fortunes

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:46:30am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

The media will love that there were votes against Pelosi. That will be their story, probably for the next two years.

good. that’s instructive

as in there were votes against trump - in fact more than he actually got

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:46:31am

re: #258 Sir John Barron

But she won comfortably 219 to 192 with 19 others and 2 voting present.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:46:38am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:46:39am
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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:46:47am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:47:59am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

.@VanDrewForNJ votes “No.” I’m not even sure what that means. Dr. No for speaker?

— Cameron Joseph

“Yes”

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MsJ  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:48:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:48:00am

Mostly posting for the vote scoreboard

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:48:17am

re: #272 MsJ

Terrorists. Thank goodness they were stopped.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:48:33am

re: #259 Ace Rothstein

That will never be built anyway because of all the eminent domain lawsuits for at least a decade. The land grabs alone would cost twice what THE WALL would cost, minimum.

yeah but now were at the gotta do something, anything to make the campaign promise ‘true’

- even if he extends some sections by just a mile or few
- even if he tears down and rebuilds already existing sections with the new money

he has to be able to say ‘i promised it and i did it’

(still what happened to “mexico will pay for it”?)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:49:09am

re: #273 Sir John Barron

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:49:22am

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

Should Bernie Sanders stand down in the interest of uniting the party’s populist forces behind Elizabeth Warren? @EricLevitz writes on what the left stands to gain — and lose — from the two competing in 2020

heck, lgf was on this 2 hours ago

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:49:38am

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

The GOP talking points they were handed by their leaders just went *poof*.

They were counting on AOC to publicly stand against Pelosi. That didn’t happen, and everyone who was paying attention months ago knew that wouldn’t happen.

Pelosi knows her caucus better than most.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:50:22am
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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:50:38am

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

The problem with that for Bernie is that when the nomination is over, Warren will support whoever wins.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:50:59am
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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:51:50am

re: #280 lawhawk

The GOP talking points they were handed by their leaders just went *poof*.

They were counting on AOC to publicly stand against Pelosi. That didn’t happen, and everyone who was paying attention months ago knew that wouldn’t happen.

Pelosi knows her caucus better than most.

Everybody will have to save that ‘Dems in Disarray’ for another day.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:52:15am

re: #280 lawhawk

The GOP talking points they were handed by their leaders just went *poof*.

They were counting on AOC to publicly stand against Pelosi. That didn’t happen, and everyone who was paying attention months ago knew that wouldn’t happen.

Pelosi knows her caucus better than most.

she talks to them and with them
she doesnt command them

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:53:41am
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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:53:54am

re: #280 lawhawk

The GOP talking points they were handed by their leaders just went *poof*.

They were counting on AOC to publicly stand against Pelosi. That didn’t happen, and everyone who was paying attention months ago knew that wouldn’t happen.

Pelosi knows her caucus better than most.

And AOC has had a job. And what you know at the end of the day if you have a real job is that, no matter what your views are on your coworkers, at the end of the day you work with the boss to accomplish what you want, not against them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:55:20am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:56:04am

re: #261 Patricia Kayden

Should Bernie Sanders stand down in the interest of uniting the party’s populist forces behind Elizabeth Warren? @EricLevitz writes on what the left stands to gain — and lose — from the two competing in 2020
New York Magazine (@NYMag) January 3, 2019

What party? Bernie isn’t a Democrat. He merely uses the Democratic Party label when it’s convenient for his own self-interests.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:57:12am

heh

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:57:46am
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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:58:26am

It sounds like there was more turmoil on the GOP side.

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Alephnaught  Jan 3, 2019 • 10:59:39am

For goodness sake, how much of a snowflake do you have to be in order to be triggered by a new vegan sausage roll from Greggs?

My friends from the Edinburgh and Glasgow Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence weigh in:

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:02:02am

re: #291 lawhawk

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Media story: “Pelosi barely wins election to Speakership, sparking worries of an internal revolt.”

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:02:06am

re: #285 dangerman

she talks to them and with them
she doesnt command them

That and the fact that she will probably be a mentor to AOC and the other freshmen Reps so they will be prepared to take over when she does step down. A cadre of Pelosi trained women in the House isn’t something the rethuglicans are going to be happy about.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:03:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:03:16am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:03:24am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:03:32am

re: #293 Alephnaught

it’s not like Piers has any meat in his own sausage roll…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:06:03am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s not like Piers has any meat in his own Vienna sausage roll…

More accurate!😉

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:07:57am

so much #winning

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:08:49am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Do we really want to start digging up people’s high school years, Q?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:09:47am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much #winning

[Embedded content]

Wait till they default on the debt…

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:10:09am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much #winning

I’m sure all of that has occurred in the last 15 minutes since Pelosi took over, right?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:10:44am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:11:12am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:11:17am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much #winning

[Embedded content]

is wolf feeling ok?

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:11:38am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the moment when the GOP start caring about the debt again, and demand that the debt must be Democrats’ top priority, and that they must adhere to the most rigid financial measures - spending cuts must be their top priority.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:12:24am

re: #305 Patricia Kayden

today, private citizen Paul Ryan is free to rake in millions as a lobbyist, but in my vision of a just and perfect world this venal sociopath shitfuck would be stripped of all his money and be forced to spend the rest of his life trying to survive on the social programs he gutted

or at the very least be forced to wait 4-5 years…

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:12:25am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

so much #winning

[Embedded content]

And that’s without a major recession as an excuse for the spending.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:13:24am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:13:27am

Remember the City Hall office raid around a month ago?

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Alephnaught  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:14:14am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:14:28am

re: #310 Targetpractice

And that’s without a major recession as an excuse for the spending.

cmon
trumps a financial expert
thats why they all voted for him - businessman

he knew this was gonna happen
he saw it coming

it’s all part of his plan because only he can fix it

oh wait

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:16:15am
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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:16:52am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Oh, noes! A young woman having fun!

If this is the worst they’ve got, AOC is going to run right over them.

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:17:48am

re: #316 makeitstop

Oh, noes! A young woman having fun!

If this is the worst they’ve got, AOC is going to run right over them.

Yeah… because no one ever does dumb/funny stuff when they’re in high school.

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:17:54am

What is AOC?

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:19:13am

re: #318 b_sharp

What is AOC?

Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, which I have to look up every time I need to write her name out completely.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:19:22am

re: #316 makeitstop

Oh, noes! A young woman having fun!

If this is the worst they’ve got, AOC is going to run right over them.

She needs to find a way to incorporate that footage in her re-election campaign videos.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:19:23am

re: #308 lawhawk

This is the moment when the GOP start caring about the debt again, and demand that the debt must be Democrats’ top priority, and that they must adhere to the most rigid financial measures - spending cuts must be their top priority.

Or repealing the tax cut for the wealthy.

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:19:51am

122 alternate AOC meanings
acronymfinder.com

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lawhawk  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:19:55am

re: #318 b_sharp

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:20:46am

A O-C

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:21:07am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:22:28am

re: #318 b_sharp

What is AOC?

@AOC

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b_sharp  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:22:50am

re: #319 Belafon

Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, which I have to look up every time I need to write her name out completely.

Female Bernie?

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sagehen  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:23:30am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

wild-ass guess here (while making unsupported assumptions about the size):

the pointy end is to poke holes in the dirt to drop seeds into, the knobs at the other end are handles to provide leverage to press down and make a deeper hole packed tighter at the bottom.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:23:59am

re: #327 b_sharp

Female Bernie?

Pelosi 2.0, in 10 years. :)

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Dr. Matt  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:24:24am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Time to revoke Jerry Falwell Jr’s tax exemption status.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:24:30am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

For every 770,000 illegals who filled out the 2010 census in a leftist state, the Democrats got another vote in the electoral college

FFS. At least as many contributed to the capitation for Republican-dominated states, like mine.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:24:45am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:24:55am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

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jaunte  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:25:00am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:25:58am

re: #328 sagehen

wild-ass guess here (while making unsupported assumptions about the size):

the pointy end is to poke holes in the dirt to drop seeds into, the knobs at the other end are handles to provide leverage to press down and make a deeper hole packed tighter at the bottom.

Depends on the scale. I see them as 3-4 inches long, tuning pegs for an oriental instrument, perhaps.

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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:26:06am

re: #327 b_sharp

Female Bernie?

I think a lot of people, including some here, were thinking that when she got the nomination, but she not only voted for Pelosi today, she’s been saying the kinds of things a smart people who actually knows how to get things done talks. She’s the one who told everyone about the economic introduction that Congressional freshmen get that only had CEOs and no labor representation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:26:13am
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Alephnaught  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:26:20am
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Belafon  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:27:42am

re: #337 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And that’s different from how they conducted the 2018 election how?

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Targetpractice  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:27:59am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

And we get to the real reason that the GOP fears “illegals”: When they eventually become citizens, the GOP’s absolutely fucked.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:28:25am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

They must want Butina back really bad.

They’re afraid she’ll testify in open court against their puppets: Trump and the NRA.

I once spent several anxious minutes with my fingers laced atop my head in Sheremetyevo Airport for overstaying my visa by a day.

Would not want to be working a consulting job there right now.

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bd(Redacted)  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:28:35am

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

They deleted that tweet about what kind of tool that is?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:29:48am

Not satire:
Trump says he could be ‘most popular person in Europe’ and ‘run for any office’

President Donald Trump has claimed he could be “the most popular person in Europe” and could “run for any [European] office” if he wanted - as he dismissed how lowly he is thought of across the continent.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:30:28am

re: #313 Alephnaught

[Embedded content]

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:30:47am

re: #210 makeitstop

She delivered the ass-whupping to Martha McSally.

Wouldn’t really call it an ass-whupping. 2.38m votes cast, and Sinema won by 55,900 votes, about 2.3%.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:30:50am

re: #337 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

**shrugs**
That didn’t work in 2018 and it won’t work in 2020. I’m hoping that by 2020, Trump will be out of office having had to leave in disgrace and that he drags down Republicans with him.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:33:12am

re: #336 Belafon

I think a lot of people, including some here, were thinking that when she got the nomination, but she not only voted for Pelosi today, she’s been saying the kinds of things a smart people who actually knows how to get things done talks. She’s the one who told everyone about the economic introduction that Congressional freshmen get that only had CEOs and no labor representation.

she and pelosi had a meeting
they talked to each other
face to face
no, i dont know what was said. i do know what was reported

neverthless i can guarantee two things:
they both talked
they both listened
and im guessing they probably didnt talk over each other

they are not adversaries in any sense of the word
they dont work or think the way republicans do (or think they should)

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KGxvi  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:33:56am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Always a helpful reminder that they don’t care about the actual text of the constitution. From the 14th Amendment:

Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed.

Nothing in there about just counting citizens.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:33:59am

re: #340 Targetpractice

And we get to the real reason that the GOP fears “illegals”: When they eventually become citizens, the GOP’s absolutely fucked.

given their argument, the Census should not count children either, or anyone else who does not have proof they have voted

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ObserverArt  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:34:15am

re: #151 makeitstop

Looks like Whelan’s representation is Russian.

Nope. Nothing weird going on here at all…

How about an exchange of Butina for Snowden?

Ha. That’ll throw a wrench in the gears.

They get Butina, we get Snowden back to run him through the justice system.

Whalen…too bad dude. The bait wasn’t good.

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makeitstop  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:35:26am

re: #345 KGxvi

Wouldn’t really call it an ass-whupping. 2.38m votes cast, and Sinema won by 55,900 votes, about 2.3%.

Yeah, but McSally complained at one point how she was getting her ass kicked over ACA. I was making an oblique reference to that.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:38:36am

re: #345 KGxvi

Wouldn’t really call it an ass-whupping. 2.38m votes cast, and Sinema won by 55,900 votes, about 2.3%.

plus the swing - flake won by about 3 points in 2012

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gocart mozart  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:38:40am
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plansbandc  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:40:47am

re: #299 Backwoods_Sleuth

Useless twunt being a useless twunt.

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Jay C  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:41:23am

re: #294 Targetpractice

Media story: “Pelosi barely wins election to Speakership, sparking worries of an internal revolt.”

We snark, but I’m guessing this header will actually be seen in some “MSM” outlet or other tomorrow. Along, I’m sure, with one or another pre-loaded thumbsucker for the Op-Ed pages ready for the first time some vote or other doesn’t go Nancy’s way. One of the following, probably:

* “Dems in Disarray”
* “Leftists Pull Dem Party Off Course”
* “Why no bipartisanship??”
* “Pelosi’s rocky start”

You get the drift….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:42:04am

re: #342 bd(Redacted)

They deleted that tweet about what kind of tool that is?

don’t know why, but they did a different one:

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:43:53am

re: #142 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

[Embedded content]

This graf here is the kind of invective I expect from Democrats, but am gratified to see coming from conservative Republicans.

Who knows? In a couple of years, Rick Wilson might be like my dad: a lifelong Republican so disgusted by the rank criminality and incompetence that he’s fled into the arms of liberal big-D Democrats.

“As I wrote in my book, the typology of Republican electeds goes like this; just as in the electorate, about 35 percent of GOP electeds are true-believer Trumphadis. They’ve bought into the nationalist-populist claptrap, dumb tropes like the Wall and the caravan, and Trump’s dictator-fellating authoritarian-curious style. Roughly 50 percent suffer from FOMT: Fear of Mean Tweets and are cowed by the Trump-Fox-talk radio Axis of Assholes. The remaining types are opportunists and hacks, hoping to salvage personal political gain from the trainwreck of Trumpism. They’re delighted by table scraps, sloppy seconds, and ancillary, ephemeral victories.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 3, 2019 • 11:58:11am

re: #325 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why Democrats need illegals:

For every 770,000 illegals who filled out the 2010 census in a leftist state, the Democrats got another vote in the electoral college

Foreign nationals should NOT be counted in the census. It rewards law breaking and gives Democrats a upper hand!

cmon, chuck. think.

- many foreign nationals are residents and pay taxes

- also i dont think this is what you meant.
- people move from state to state - if 770k people move from a red state to a blue…
but that’s different
- there are 538 elector slots. new ones arent created out of whole cloth if 770k people move into a particular state.
unless you’re suggesting that the nefarious dems are packing the country every 1 year out of every 10 years to rig the census by letting so many millions of people in (and telling them where to settle) that they can skew the representation

ps - trump estimated the other day something like 30-35m illegals in the country
yeah we know it’s high. still 35m/770k = say 45 electors
1 - how’d that work out for the dems in 2016
2- cause you know there wasnt any sort of 45 elector reapportionment between 2012 and 2016

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ckkatz  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:17:10pm

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

Head of Department of Hens and Hatcheries: Mr. Fox….

[Embedded content]

Well, the rats have left the ship. And as, apparently, there are things even rats won’t do, lobbyists are filling in.

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retired cynic  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:50:37pm

re: #44 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

And son of a gun, Tucker Carlson has attended the DT school of skin coloring.

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wrenchwench  Jan 3, 2019 • 12:55:50pm

re: #350 ObserverArt

How about an exchange of Butina for Snowden?

Ha. That’ll throw a wrench in the gears.

They get Butina, we get Snowden back to run him through the justice system.

Whalen…too bad dude. The bait wasn’t good.

A wooden shoe! You’re supposed to throw a wooden shoe in the gears!


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