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I never thought that I’d be making another one of these, but with all of the new footage from the International Space Station (ISS) that has been made public, I decided to give it another go.

All of 4K video and Time-lapse sequences were taken by the astronauts onboard the ISS (NASA/ESA). All footage has been edited, color graded, denoised, deflickered, stabilized by myself. Some of the 4K video clips were shot at 24frames/sec reflecting the actual speed of the space station over the earth. Shots taken at wider angels were speed up a bit to match the flow of the video.

Some interesting facts about the ISS: The ISS maintains an orbit above the earth with an altitude of between 330 and 435 km (205 and 270 miles). The ISS completes 15.54 orbits per day around the earth and travels at a speed of 27,600 km/h; 17,100 mph).

The yellow line that you see over the earth is Airgolw/Nightglow. Airglow/Nightglow is a layer of nighttime light emissions caused by chemical reactions high in Earth’s atmosphere. A variety of reactions involving oxygen, sodium, ozone, and nitrogen result in the production of a very faint amount of light (Keck A and Miller S et al. 2013).

Hope you enjoy and thank you all again for watching!

Music: “Journey to the Line” composed & performed by “Hans Zimmer”
All rights reserved to their respective owners.

Edited by: Bruce W. Berry Jr. @ Website: |Bruce Wayne Photography|

Time-Lapse Image Courtesy of the Earth Science and Remote Sensing Unit, NASA Johnson Space Center
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4K video Courtesy of NASA
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Last clip: imagery courtesy of the European Space Agency
Credit: NASA/ESA/M.Kornmesser
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Footage Note: The slower video represents true speed of the ISS or was shot in 4K at 24fps. These clips are all marked with an *. Unfortunately I do not know all of the locations of the shots as many files did not have a name on them and just the mission numbers.

Locations of Footage in the order they appear:

1. Kounotori 4, unmanned cargo spacecraft *
2. Unknown*
3. Quebec City, Canada
4-7. Unknown*
8. Ucayali River, Peru*
9. Unknown*
10. Quebec City and St. Lawrence River, Canada*
11-12. Unknown*
13. Western United States*
14. Unknown*
15. Ataturk Dam Lake, on the Euphrates River, Turkey *
16. Nile River, lower Egypt*
17. Dubai, United Arab Emirates*
18. Bahamas*
19. The Nile Delta, Egypt*
20. Texas Gulf Coast*
21. Unknown*
22. Unknown
23. Aurora Borealis over North America
24. Aurora Borealis over Canada and USA
25. Iberian Peninsula to Red Sea
26. Southern Hemisphere Aurora and Sunrise
27. The Nile River Delta to Mecca, Middle East
28. Mexico to Maine, USA
29. Balearic Sea to Lake Turkana
30. Atlantic Ocean to Kazakhstan
31. Aurora Borealis over the Atlantic Ocean
32. The Earth and sunrise in 4K

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525 comments

1
Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 10:55:32am
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 10:57:10am
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Alephnaught  Jan 6, 2019 • 10:58:06am

From dead thread:

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 10:58:40am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 10:59:40am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That wall is probably to keep the saints in rather than the sinners out… didn’t a wise man once say something about preferring to laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:02:15am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:02:40am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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And Jesus said: “Love one another as I have loved you…except for Mexicans. Put a giant wall up to stop those assholes.”

Yeesh.

Also, walls didn’t work out so well for Jericho.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:02:55am

re: #3 Alephnaught

Worth noting that most gender neutral bathrooms are what are called “single hole restrooms”. That means there’s one toilet in them and you can lock the door behind you. California actually now requires single hole restrooms to be gender neutral.

As for the implication of “the children won’t be safe” it’s rather interesting that the arguments being used against trans people today are the same arguments used against gay people in the 80s and into the 90s. Bullshit then and bullshit now

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:03:50am

re: #8 KGxvi

I’ve also seen those labeled as “Family” restrooms.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:04:29am
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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:06:17am

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:06:36am

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

I love that cat.

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Alephnaught  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:06:40am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Hmm, he’s not there yet, so how does he know? Also, is he saying he’s on a journey with like-minded people, immigrating towards Heaven- a sort of, well, caravan?

Probably not this caravan, though.

THE HOUSEMARTINS - CARAVAN OF LOVE

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:06:43am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Really puts the lie to their version of heaven. They don’t think it’s a place that everyone ideally should be allowed to see. They want it as an exclusionary paradise, one that shoves a boot down into all the faces of the undesireables and a tower to mock them from.

Someone needs to remind them what happens with walls even in the Bible. Jericho comes to mind.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:07:45am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve also seen those labeled as “Family” restrooms.

Yeah, I think family restroom started as a way for parents with little kids to take them to the bathroom without weird looks of “how dare you bring a five year old into the wrong bathroom”. But I don’t think you’ll see a gender neutral restroom with multiple holes. And really, unless you’re looking over or under the stall, it really isn’t an issue

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Citizen K  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:08:06am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve also seen those labeled as “Family” restrooms.

Some dumb shits in that made a claim that 90% of sexual assaults happen in ‘gender neutral’ areas like that. Probably dug up from the same claim that the supermajority of all mass shootings happen in ‘gun free zones’. A.K.A. the thing you usually void when you go to the bathroom to begin with.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:08:08am

moron thinks US Steel actually makes finished steel products

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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:08:10am

Hey Charles, I have a suggestion: have the upload function shrink the image for us. It took me ten minuted to get the above image to 500K through trial and error, but maybe there is a built-in way to do it. Facebook does I think.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:08:13am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:08:58am

re: #15 KGxvi

Yeah, I think family restroom started as a way for parents with little kids to take them to the bathroom without weird looks of “how dare you bring a five year old into the wrong bathroom”. But I don’t think you’ll see a gender neutral restroom with multiple holes. And really, unless you’re looking over or under the stall, it really isn’t an issue

Right. So much pissiness over a non issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:10:20am

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

Right. So much pissiness over a non issue.

I see what you did there…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:11:12am

re: #18 Charmingly Persistent

Hey Charles, I have a suggestion: have the upload function shrink the image for us. It took me ten minuted to get the above image to 500K through trial and error, but maybe there is a built-in way to do it. Facebook does I think.

I have a resize app on my phone. It tells me the length and width in pixels. I just cut those numbers in half to get images under 500k but keep the correct proportions. It’s kind of annoying but much easier than repetitive trial and error.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:11:38am

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see what you did there…

Ha! And not even on purpose! 😎

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:12:01am
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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:12:18am

All this talk about US Steel makes me think there should be a Godfather reboot.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:12:48am

re: #14 Citizen K

Really puts the lie to their version of heaven. They don’t think it’s a place that everyone ideally should be allowed to see. They want it as an exclusionary paradise, one that shoves a boot down into all the faces of the undesireables and a tower to mock them from.

Someone needs to remind them what happens with walls even in the Bible. Jericho comes to mind.

Reminds me of this:

Catholic Heaven vs. Protestant Heaven

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:13:26am

re: #25 Amory Blaine

All this talk about US Steel makes me think there should be a Godfather reboot.

Interestingly enough, in that movie the presence of an orange was a signal someone was about to die.

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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:14:28am

So, I went to flip my burger.

I had the pan on the wrong burner.

Quite the day so far. I’m worried about the bowling/dinner Christmas party my work is holding this afternoon at this rate :D

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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:15:46am

re: #24 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Or loudly say “You can use the bathroom once the police get here to arrest the pervert watching the door.”

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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:15:46am

re: #22 Eclectic Cyborg

I have a resize app on my phone. It tells me the length and width in pixels. I just cut those numbers in half to get images under 500k but keep the correct proportions. It’s kind of annoying but much easier than repetitive trial and error.

Ah - Preview does let you tell it how many pixels wide and tall you want it. Cut it in half you say? Clever.

Though Preview should just let you tell it what size you want. Lots of apps have a limit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:19:32am

Hung out to dry on the last thread about the Christian singer who is upset about a frickin’ bathroom:

re: #250 Alephnaught

Snowflake.

Does she have separate bathrooms in her house?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:19:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:20:42am

re: #32 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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much like having a plan before one shuts down the fucking government

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:20:50am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:22:27am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:22:40am

re: #34 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was a good cat.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:23:44am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

That stupid Holy See meme has come up again.

The Holy See has open borders, wingnuts.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:24:11am

re: #4 Belafon

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So high he can’t get over it, so low he can’t get under it, so wide he can’t go around it, now hear the OMFG WHERE’S THE DOOR? of the Lord.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:26:13am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:27:22am

re: #18 Charmingly Persistent

Hey Charles, I have a suggestion: have the upload function shrink the image for us. It took me ten minuted to get the above image to 500K through trial and error, but maybe there is a built-in way to do it. Facebook does I think.

I actually started working on that once… I may take another look at it today.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:28:17am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

That stupid Holy See meme has come up again.

The Holy See has open borders, wingnuts.

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Also an area of 0.17 square miles.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:28:55am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

That stupid Holy See meme has come up again.

The Holy See has open borders, wingnuts.

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The energy it takes to be this willfully stupid could power a small city.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:30:10am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

And Jesus said: “Love one another as I have loved you…except for Mexicans. Put a giant wall up to stop those assholes.”

Yeesh.

Also, walls didn’t work out so well for Jericho.

And his Game of Thrones poster ignores what happened in the last episode of year 7.

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Kilroy was here  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:30:36am

re: #11 Charmingly Persistent

Language!

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:31:01am

re: #5 KGxvi

That wall is probably to keep the saints in rather than the sinners out… didn’t a wise man once say something about preferring to laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints?

Heaven for the weather, hell for the company.
(twain)

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:32:21am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve also seen those labeled as “Family” restrooms.

no… “family” restrooms are extra large, with a changing table.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:33:52am

re: #41 jaunte

Also an area of 0.17 square miles.

Also built in the days when a castle wall was a military fortification.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:33:56am

re: #46 sagehen

no… “family” restrooms are extra large, with a changing table.

Right but they are also just one room so no one will be bothered about other people who might go in there.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:35:35am

I’m feeling sluggish this morning and having a hard time motivating myself to do some lecture prep for the week. We had strong winds overnight, and I was up from about 2am to 4am comforting a quivering GoldenDoodle.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:35:49am

Trumpty Dumpty screamed for a wall,
Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall,
All Millers horses and all Kushners men,
Just couldn’t get Trumpty together again.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:36:15am
Vivianna Arriaga

There’s no shortage of Cuban-Americans in South Florida eager to close the door to any other immigrant nationality.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:37:41am

re: #49 Teddy’s Person

I’m feeling sluggish this morning and having a hard time motivating myself to do some lecture prep for the week. We had strong winds overnight, and I was up from about 2am to 4am comforting a quivering GoldenDoodle.

In the event of a thunderstorm, my guy would stand by the bed with his face a couple inches away hyperventilating until I awakened. No more sleep for me until the storm had passed.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:37:47am

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

Hung out to dry on the last thread …

It’s OK. You can say ‘CLed’. I’m fine with the inherently flexible nature of languages. You don’t have to be referring to a comment as good as hers were. Or try posting a nice guinea pig pic as an intermediarily (I made that word up, like it?*) solution.

*if you like it, please help me come up with a definition…///

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:37:52am

Just a reminder this stupid fucking shutdown is causing immense damage to our National Parks.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:38:34am

re: #50 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumpty Dumpty screamed for a wall,
Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall,
All Millers horses and all Kushners men,
Just couldn’t get Trumpty together again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:38:52am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:40:00am

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:40:49am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

That stupid Holy See meme has come up again.

The Holy See has open borders, wingnuts.

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Alephnaught  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:41:06am

re: #8 KGxvi

Worth noting that most gender neutral bathrooms are what are called “single hole restrooms”. That means there’s one toilet in them and you can lock the door behind you. California actually now requires single hole restrooms to be gender neutral.

As for the implication of “the children won’t be safe” it’s rather interesting that the arguments being used against trans people today are the same arguments used against gay people in the 80s and into the 90s. Bullshit then and bullshit now

This was actually pointed out in the replies. Others added that this means it’s basically like any toilet in any home.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:42:07am
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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:42:42am

re: #52 Hecuba’s daughter

In the event of a thunderstorm, my guy would stand by the bed with his face a couple inches away hyperventilating until I awakened. No more sleep for me until the storm had passed.

It wasn’t quite thunderstorm bad, but he was pacing, whining, and poking me in the head to make sure I was awake.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:44:31am

MsJ, if you are reading. I see you identified this tweet image from the artist we were discussing in the last thread as Trump’s crazy doctor.

It is his former lawyer who quit on him…Ty Cobb

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:46:32am

re: #40 Charles Johnson

I actually started working on that once… I may take another look at it today.

That would be awesome. I can’t ever upload anything on my phone any longer.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:47:37am

trump surrounds himself with idiots and sycophants

one reason why is that no one with a brain would even consider working for him

there are at least two others:
- surrounded by smart people would constantly exemplify (and he’s probably notice) how stupid he really is because
- you need to be a smart person to effectively, efficiently, and successfully manage smart people

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:48:23am

In a vegetative state for years, she gave birth. Now families wonder if there are other victims.

A near-drowning had left the woman in a persistent vegetative state for nearly a decade.

Her universe consisted mostly of a room at a Phoenix Hacienda HealthCare facility where she received round-the-clock care. So when she went into labor a few days after Christmas, her caretakers were flummoxed.

“From what I’ve been told, she was moaning,” an unidentified source told Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO. “And they didn’t know what was wrong with her. … None of the staff were aware that she was pregnant until she was pretty much giving birth.”

There was a highly publicized case like this in Lubbock in 1991. Suspicion centered on the staff but it turned out to be the victim’s brother in law.
Texas Woman’s Kin Is Accused in Rape That Led to Inquiry

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:49:23am

re: #62 ObserverArt

MsJ, if you are reading. I see you identified this tweet image from the artist we were discussing in the last thread as Trump’s crazy doctor.

It is his former lawyer who quit on him…Ty Cobb

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Oh right! I thought it was that Looney doctor… They kinda look alike.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:50:08am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:50:50am

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Amazing, isn’t it, that the two finest human beings ever to be President—Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama—each receive many times as much abuse as the other 43 put together?

Edited: Changed “more” to “many times” and failed to deal with the consequences.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:52:01am

re: #8 KGxvi

Worth noting that most gender neutral bathrooms are what are called “single hole restrooms”. That means there’s one toilet in them and you can lock the door behind you. California actually now requires single hole restrooms to be gender neutral.

As for the implication of “the children won’t be safe” it’s rather interesting that the arguments being used against trans people today are the same arguments used against gay people in the 80s and into the 90s. Bullshit then and bullshit now

California was the first to ban pay toilets, as discriminatory to women, IIRC. March Fong Eu. Her name just came to me as I was typing, although not in the right order.

She is best known for her successful campaign to ban pay toilets, arguing that they discriminated against women since urinals were free

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:52:17am

re: #53 wrenchwench

It’s OK. You can say ‘CLed’. I’m fine with the inherently flexible nature of languages. You don’t have to be referring to a comment as good as hers were. Or try posting a nice guinea pig pic as an intermediarily (I made that word up, like it?*) solution.

*if you like it, please help me come up with a definition…///

I mix up the phrases describing my rather slow responses (though you had a comment after mine on the last thread).

As for guinea pigs:

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:53:02am

re: #66 MsJ

Oh right! I thought it was that Looney doctor… They kinda look alike.

Also, kinda looks like a hipster Bernie Sanders. Kooky old white men all look the same to me. //

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:53:54am

re: #26 KGxvi

Reminds me of this:

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Video

As a full 12 year schooled Catholic kid, I keep trying to tell everyone that it is very liberal. And they do like to have fun. Some of the old Catholic Church festivals my parents used to drag me around to in Ohio during the summer were pretty fun.

Still they have their issues for sure. But partying isn’t one of them!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:54:46am

re: #8 KGxvi

Worth noting that most gender neutral bathrooms are what are called “single hole restrooms”. That means there’s one toilet in them and you can lock the door behind you. California actually now requires single hole restrooms to be gender neutral.

As for the implication of “the children won’t be safe” it’s rather interesting that the arguments being used against trans people today are the same arguments used against gay people in the 80s and into the 90s. Bullshit then and bullshit now

My great-grandmother’s farm had a three-hole privy. (She kept it after she got an inside bathroom.) Didn’t much bother either her farmhands or people in our family.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:55:09am
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:56:22am

ACME Zero Friction Paint Material.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:56:25am

re: #70 Anymouse 🌹

I mix up the phrases describing my rather slow responses (though you had a comment after mine on the last thread).

As for guinea pigs:

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I had several guinea pigs when I was a kid. Right now, my cats could really go for some Kibbles and Cheese.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:57:49am

The Golden Globes are tonight.

Wingers probably won’t mind too much if Black Panther wins best original score and best song, but if it wins Best Drama the exploding heads will be EPIC.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:58:00am

re: #68 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Amazing, isn’t it, that the two finest human beings ever to be President—Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama—each receive many times abuse than the other 43 put together?

well to be fair, franklin pierce and millard fillmore dont garner a lot of recognition let alone animosity

and harrison barely got off the ground. though i hear he still gets a lot of hate mail regarding that interminable inaugural address

/

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 11:59:35am

re: #66 MsJ

Oh right! I thought it was that Looney doctor… They kinda look alike.

Heheheee. I won’t mention that it also says that in the tweet.

Ooops. I just did!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:02:29pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Funny since Pelosi is polling better than Trump, and she won her last election in an overwhelming landslide in her district.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:03:46pm

re: #74 jaunte

Hey, Bill, is Mexico going to pay for all that?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:04:35pm

So Dictator calls for National Emergency. Can we get rid of him now.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:05:07pm

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

I’m still not sure that Bill Mitchell isn’t doing an Andy Kaufman act.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:06:44pm

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

Hey, Bill, is Mexico going to pay for all that?

They’ll manufacture it, but we won’t be able to afford because the tariffs are too high.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:11:17pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:12:11pm

re: #75 jaunte

ACME Zero Friction Paint Material.

just have Roadrunner paint a tunnel on the side of the wall

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:15:00pm

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can go through it because it’s zero friction paint material.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:17:24pm

Wait until all those unpaid federal workers in the DC area figure out it’s Stephen Miller’s fault.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:20:48pm

re: #79 ObserverArt

Heheheee. I won’t mention that it also says that in the tweet.

Ooops. I just did!

Look here smartass.

((Tapping foot)) 😉

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:20:53pm

re: #88 jaunte

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Wait until all those unpaid federal workers in the DC area figure out it’s Stephen Miller’s fault.

That prick is enjoying every second of this.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:21:17pm

re: #90 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pretty sure he’s the one who derailed the deal.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:21:47pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:23:13pm

re: #88 jaunte

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Wait until all those unpaid federal workers in the DC area figure out it’s Stephen Miller’s fault.

I work for a large telecom company. I’ve already had to deal with requests from over a dozen customers who can’t afford to pay their bill due being furloughed but can’t afford to lose the service. Fortunately the company is allowing us to bend the rules to help out a little bit to help these foks…At least for now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:23:59pm

re: #92 MsJ

Bill Mitchell must believe that tunnels don’t exist…or catapaults.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:24:25pm
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:24:25pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Or airplanes.

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gwangung  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:25:49pm

re: #90 Joe Bacon 🌹

That prick is enjoying every second of this.

He better not be eating out, for his sake.

Wait. Back up. I hope he does eat out and wait staff KNOWS it’s him out there.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:26:29pm

re: #96 jaunte

Or airplanes.

As Mr. Spock would say: “He demonstrates two-dimensional thinking.”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:27:07pm

re: #85 jaunte

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He’s taking my money (taxes) every time he goes to his properties (which is constantly) and makes money charging inflated prices for the secret service and assorted hangers on.

Edit spelling

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:28:59pm

re: #96 jaunte

Or airplanes.

Or trebuchets. Or circus cannons.

And his dipwad idea of a 1,500 mile roller on top of his nonsense wall? Aside from taking decades to complete and endless funds to maintain, that is easily defeated as well (rope across both sides, weighted on each end).

Geez Bill, if this is what college teaches you, maybe it’s a good thing I didn’t go.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:29:46pm

re: #96 jaunte

Or airplanes.

Or legal openings through which a billion dollars a day in commerce flows, along with a few persons and items the wall is supposed to stop. Borders are so tricky!

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:29:59pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

Or ropes and ladders (I’m going old school).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:31:12pm

re: #96 jaunte

Or airplanes.

Or grappling hooks.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:32:51pm

re: #102 MsJ

Or ropes and ladders (I’m going old school).

Or a new school RPG.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:34:09pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The evangelicals put it up, They like to think they’re the only ones up there.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:36:11pm

re: #103 Anymouse 🌹

Or grappling hooks.

What part of ‘Zero Friction Paint Material’ do you not grasp?!? You can’t grasp any part! That’s the point of ‘Zero Friction’. Or was it 100% Fiction? Those are so easy to mix up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:38:21pm

A thread on leak investigations (sixteen tweets):

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:40:46pm

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

She does now.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:43:52pm

If you want to understand why I haven’t warmed to Rick Wilson: why is “ten-toothed” something to include when trying to characterize Trumpers?

Because it makes Trumpism a product of lower-class ignorance and links poverty and stupidity.

I frequently criticize never-Trumpers because they ultimately have stylistic objections to Trump, choosing not to observe the shared rhetoric of the man and what came before the man. Rick Wilson is slightly better, but he ultimately wants to pretend that the Trump/never-Trump distinction matches conservative understandings of how social class reflects better and worse kinds of people, morally and intellectually. Characterizing the rise of Trump as the rise of hicks and the poors is a denial of how deep anti-intellectualism and chauvinism have been integrated into the Republican Party; that it’s very rich donors and middle class retirees and “normal” people who are the product of a culture that tells them that their feelings matter more than facts, that their anger is veracity, that their enjoyment of cruelty is natural.

He’s performing a slightly more edgy version of Brooksian centrism, where the problems on his side are coincidentally not the fault of people in his “reasonable”” camp even though their fingerprints are all over it and they continue to exploit things going wrong to obtain their ends…and occasionally he slips into the Procrustean both sides are bad position because he’s a patrician shaming of the peasants.

I use the word rube all the time. But I don’t pretend that rubes spontaneously generate, that they’re some kind of “other” people. I don’t conveniently slide my gaze around difficult questions about how there’s a pre-existing herd of rubes, primed to believe the new hustle because its just a flashier version of the old one. And most emphatically, I’m not calling people rubes, contemptuously, even as my fellow carnies are working them over to get their own folding money. Over and over, “conservatism” refuses to assay its contents. When a problem becomes so prominent it can’t be denied, it’s declared not-conservatism and the product of outside influences. But also coded into their language is that the problems arise because lesser kinds of people fail to listen to their betters.

A culture of lavish cruelty and status insecurity preceded Trump. Selling to rubes…literally, because of the crossover between scammy mail businesses and GOP politics…preceded Trump. This collective of people, all gullible in the same way, all blind to the same details of the world, are an end product of…what, exactly?

Rick Wilson is another Innsmouth resident that likes the salary the preternaturally robust fishing economy provides and hates how the Deep One hybrids keep trying to move into his suburb rather than stay in the trailer parks.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:44:02pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

What part of ‘Zero Friction Paint Material’ do you not grasp?!? You can’t grasp any part! That’s the point of ‘Zero Friction’. Or was it 100% Fiction? Those are so easy to mix up.

Previously known as Vasoline.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:45:14pm

Thread (three tweets):

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:46:29pm

re: #111 Anymouse 🌹

Thread (three tweets):

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Don’t people like McConnell have to believe in the Constitution first?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:53:57pm
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 12:55:06pm

Stable trade genius.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:01:16pm

Harahan police chief admits there’s not actually Zika in meth after viral Facebook post (New Orleans Advocate, with video, more at the link):

If you’ve heard that methamphetamine in Louisiana comes with the Zika virus, well, that’s fake news.

The meth is just meth.

But word spread quickly over the weekend saying otherwise, thanks to a post on the official Facebook page of the Harahan Police Department.

The post said that meth recently bought in Louisiana had been found with Zika, which can cause serious birth defects.

It urged all meth users to “Please bring all of it to your local Police Department and they will test it for free. If you’re not comfortable coming to us, an officer will be glad to come to you and test your meth in the privacy of your home.”

Harahan Police Chief Tim Walker acknowledged Sunday that the post was just a stunt to raise awareness of drug abuse and that it’s not actually possible to have Zika virus in methamphetamine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:01:20pm
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stpaulbear  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:03:33pm

re: #114 jaunte

I wonder who he voted for in the midterms?

Oh, wait…

Even so, he sees the trade war as beneficial.

“It sends a message to our friends in China that we are not fooling around,” Mr. Sligh said.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:03:39pm
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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:05:53pm

Okay, so I finally got off my butt to work on lecture planning for the week. I had previously found a documentary on the Renaissance I wanted to watch to get some information about the Portuguese and Spanish Empires during the early age of expansion and colonization. I really just want some broad strokes and interesting little tidbits since my class is the first third of the America history survey course. This background is just to provide some context for what I discovered that blew my mind.

Robocop (Peter Weller) has an MA in Art History focusing on the Italian Renaissance.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:06:05pm

re: #109 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

If that seems like a long extrapolation from a toss-off statement, stop and consider the number of thinkpieces that get dropped by the “intellectual” right in which the failures of their policy and the suffering of people that supported their policies is the result of…the poor moral and intellectual character of the poor, regardless their politics.

This is a thing they do consistently. It’s built into “Hillbilly Elegy” it’s built into assigning blame for the (white, rural) meth and opiod epidemics, it’s built into the analysis of failed policies like abstinence-only education.

“Can’t fail, can only be failed” requires not just one scapegoat, but a whole series. When they can’t blame the preferred targets…anybody not a US “conservative”…they select the least-valuable section of their own body politic.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:08:38pm

“A republican who votes for Trump.” I need to see his receipts, personally. Historically these business people are nothing but liars. Moving to Mexico is not going out of business. It’s another dodge.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:11:14pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:11:30pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

I certainly don’t feel sorry for them. They want things like summary executions for liberals.

They’re a bunch of no-thinking cult members who have already caused violence.

What would happen if this so-called Q told them on 8chan or wherever to rise up with their guns against (name a target)? How many would?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:13:29pm

re: #117 stpaulbear

I wonder who he voted for in the midterms?

Oh, wait…

Even so, he sees the trade war as beneficial.

“It sends a message to our friends in China that we are not fooling around,” Mr. Sligh said.

Torch my business to own the libs Chinese.

He isn’t the only businessperson who thinks like that either.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:13:32pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

They’ll be easy to spot. Frothing from their toothless mouths, clinging to their guns and rascals.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:15:13pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

I certainly don’t feel sorry for them. They want things like summary executions for liberals.

They’re a bunch of no-thinking cult members who have already caused violence.

What would happen if this so-called Q told them on 8chaa or wherever to rise up with their guns against (name a target)? How many would?

Some dipshit with a gun already stormed the Comet Pizza parlor demanding to free the hostages in the basement.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:18:03pm

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

Some dipshit with a gun already stormed the Comet Pizza parlor demanding to free the hostages in the basement.

Another attacked Google’s headquarters.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:18:35pm

re: #85 jaunte

Brit Hume
@brithume
I wonder if the author of this story is aware that
Trump accepts no salary as president.

this is not correct

the president does in fact receive his salary

he then has, in fact donated it quarterly to one government agency or another by writing a personal check

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:19:37pm

The Libertarians over at Reason are making the case for free-market organ sales for transplants.

reason.com

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:19:39pm

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

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That’s some really sad shit. Until you remember the rest and go “Ah, fuck it”

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:20:19pm

re: #128 dangerman (not steve)

this is not correct

the president does in fact receive his salary

he then has, in fact donated it quarterly to one government agency or another by writing a personal check

At some point we’ll find he’s taking that as a charitable donation.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:22:34pm

re: #88 jaunte

FBI agents not getting paid. E-verify not working. Courts shut down. National Parks sullied. Workers missing rent, mortgage, utility payments. Tax refunds delayed. Contractors not getting paid. This shutdown is stupid for America and it’s about to get way worse, quickly.

Wait until all those unpaid federal workers in the DC area figure out it’s Stephen Miller’s fault.

if he were to ‘declare a national emergency” right now, there would likely be lots of immediate legal challenges, right?

DOJ is closed. how’s the admin gonna respond?

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:22:53pm

re: #131 jaunte

At some point we’ll find he’s taking that as a charitable donation.

I want to see a canceled check.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:23:03pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

They’ll be easy to spot. Frothing from their toothless mouths, clinging to their guns and rascals.

From experience…they look depressingly normal.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:24:18pm

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

I work for a large telecom company. I’ve already had to deal with requests from over a dozen customers who can’t afford to pay their bill due being furloughed but can’t afford to lose the service. Fortunately the company is allowing us to bend the rules to help out a little bit to help these foks…At least for now.

so private companies are stepping in and stepping up because the government won’t do it’s damn job.

/ .5

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:24:42pm

re: #133 bd(Redacted)

I want to see a canceled check.

and not one of those big ones they use for photo ops

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:25:22pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

The Libertarians over at Reason are making the case for free-market organ sales for transplants.

reason.com

Imma gonna take a pass on reading that.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:26:04pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Bill Mitchell must believe that tunnels don’t exist…or catapaults.

cargo nets
glue
2 sided sticky tape

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:26:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:26:15pm

re: #125 Amory Blaine

Missing tooth libelz. I’m missing several teeth. I even own a gun (but not a Rascal).

[/tone police concern trolling]

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:26:22pm

re: #130 MsJ

That’s some really sad shit. Until you remember the rest and go “Ah, fuck it”

It’s like incels.

Approached from a compassionate perspective, there’s a grain of something universal and sad that you can relate to, but the part that defines them is how thirsty they are for their worldview to be reinforced specifically by people getting hurt and killed.

Sadism is built into the kernel.

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ThomasLite  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:27:28pm

re: #131 jaunte

At some point we’ll find he’s taking that as a charitable donation.

Isn’t that *explicitly* what he’s doing? I believe consensus when it first came up was POTUS can’t actually refuse his salary for some reason (seemed wonky to me then TBH but if some fairly reputable American law profs are arguing so I’m happy to take their word for it - gov’t can be weird at times).
I mean, if that’s what he’s doing it’s AOK to take it as a charitable deduction; X USD coming in, X USD deducted, income tax effect net 0, I believe (unless I’m missing some of the vagaries of the US income tax system). Also, too: at that time it was mentioned there’s a ceiling to max charitable deductions so this would count towards that - not that I seriously believe he’s legitimately donating any amount of substance but hey, it might interfere with some other ‘creative’ schemes.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:28:30pm

re: #137 MsJ

Imma gonna take a pass on reading that.

The argument goes along the lines of “studies have shown many people die waiting for kidney transplants. Liberals argue selling organs would exploit the poor and kidney donation can be risky. Liberals are hypocrites because they don’t object to poor people becoming lumberjacks or NFL players, which are risky occupations.”

The dude spends about two pages to come to “liberals are hypocrites, let the free market decide.”

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:30:08pm

re: #119 Teddy’s Person

Okay, so I finally got off my butt to work on lecture planning for the week. I had previously found a documentary on the Renaissance I wanted to watch to get some information about the Portuguese and Spanish Empires during the early age of expansion and colonization. I really just want some broad strokes and interesting little tidbits since my class is the first third of the America history survey course. This background is just to provide some context for what I discovered that blew my mind.

Robocop (Peter Weller) has an MA in Art History focusing on the Italian Renaissance.

Are you going to include a section on the Pope’s meddling? How he took a pen to the map to tell them who can take which parts of the Western Hemisphere (in Jesus’ name) and the proper ratio of missionaries to soldiers for each shipload of troops?

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:31:00pm

re: #142 ThomasLite

He will absolutely squeeze every possible cent of tax benefit for himself, while at the same time stealing anything not nailed down.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:32:24pm
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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:33:02pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:33:25pm

re: #142 ThomasLite

It’s not wonky, and it doesn’t take a reputable law professor.

It’s in the Constitution, Article 2, Section 2, Clause 7 (which also includes the Domestic Emoluments Clause).

The President shall, at stated Times, receive for his Services, a Compensation, which shall neither be increased nor diminished during the Period for which he shall have been elected, and he shall not receive within that Period any other Emolument from the United States, or any of them.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:35:56pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

The Libertarians over at Reason are making the case for free-market organ sales for transplants.

reason.com

In addition to offering payment to living donors, we can pay potential donors in advance for the “option” of harvesting organs after they pass away, a strategy that eliminates any negative health effects on donors, since, by definition, the option can only be exercised after they have died, and have no further use for the organ themselves.

Because that can’t POSSIBLY lead to any of those pre-paid donors being coincidentally shot in the head when the pre-paid recipient is in need of heart or lungs.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:36:09pm

re: #144 sagehen

Are you going to include a section on the Pope’s meddling? How he took a pen to the map to tell them who can take which parts of the Western Hemisphere (in Jesus’ name) and the proper ration of missionaries to soldiers for each shipload of troops?

Yep.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:36:27pm

re: #85 jaunte

Trump can relate because he’s bankrupted at least six different businesses. And had to see another, what, dozen(?) fold without bankruptcy protections

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:37:07pm

re: #140 Anymouse 🌹

I had to get one last Wilson reference in. I’ll refrain as I know many people have dental issues and I’m clinging on with fingertips to try and be more (civil?) this year.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:38:33pm

re: #152 Amory Blaine

I had to get one last Wilson reference in. I’ll refrain as I know many people have dental issues and I’m clinging on with fingertips to try and be more (civil?) this year.

I’m just pulling your chain. I know what you meant (hence the sardonic fake html tag at the end of my remark).

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:39:26pm

re: #124 Anymouse 🌹

Torch my business to own the libs Chinese.

He isn’t the only businessperson who thinks like that either.

at least (maybe) his taxes are lower

sometime in the future
something something something* will happen
and then i will be personally better off than if we’d had a dem president and possibly higher marginal taxes

*”a miracle” is about the only thing that comes to mind

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:40:38pm

re: #149 sagehen

Because that can’t POSSIBLY lead to any of those pre-paid donors being coincidentally shot in the head when the pre-paid recipient is in need of heart or lungs.

What it leads to is less donations which go to the person at the top of the list and more purchasing organs which leads to only people with money get better hence or people die.

Fuck that guy sideways with a rusty chain saw.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:41:43pm

re: #155 MsJ

What it leads to is less donations which go to the person at the top of the list and more purchasing organs which leads to only people with money get better hence or people die.

Fuck that guy sideways with a rusty chain saw.

I’d donate to that!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:42:30pm

re: #149 sagehen

Because that can’t POSSIBLY lead to any of those pre-paid donors being coincidentally shot in the head when the pre-paid recipient is in need of heart or lungs.

Moreover, how do I benefit from selling my organs after I die? I suppose you could put the money to a funeral expense.

Plus, what about if I can’t donate organs due to a medical issue (I can’t). Presuming some schmuck got one of my organs and was exposed to vCJD or TB because of it, how would a sue-happy libertarian sue me for lying on the donation form?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:44:43pm
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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:44:57pm

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

Moreover, how do I benefit from selling my organs after I die? I suppose you could put the money to a funeral expense.

Plus, what about if I can’t donate organs due to a medical issue (I can’t). Presuming some schmuck got one of my organs and was exposed to vCJD or TB because of it, how would a sue-happy libertarian sue me for lying on the donation form?

You get the money now; they then have a lien on your parts.

And if you should fall off a cliff and it takes days to retrieve your body, or if you’re killed by a bear mauling or you’re lost at sea, your estate would then owe them a refund.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:47:20pm

re: #159 sagehen

So sayeth the Lord. Chapter one of the newer, biglier testament. The book of Trump.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:47:49pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:48:19pm

Lois Weber, Hollywood’s Forgotten Early Pioneer, Has 2 Films Restored (Goes to NPR, with audio, more at the link):

As Hollywood continues to struggle with the underrepresentation of women behind the camera, most people have forgotten that 100 years ago, one woman ruled.

Her name was Lois Weber. Counting shorts and feature-length movies, she directed at least 138 films — all before 1940. She became the first American woman to direct a feature-length dramatic film with The Merchant of Venice in 1914.

“In her day, she was considered one of the three great minds of the early film industry, alongside D.W. Griffith and Cecil B. DeMille,” says Shelley Stamp, a film historian at the University of California, Santa Cruz.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:48:49pm

re: #131 jaunte

At some point we’ll find he’s taking that as a charitable donation.

oh, it’s a certainty

pretty sure taxwise he would have been better off not taking the salary
(there could be a rule that he has to)

for comparison (ie what about obama):

while in office, Obama donated 1.1M of his 8 year salary to charity

he also donated all of his 1.4m nobel prize to a bunch charities.

add em up and that’s about 75% or more of his total salary.

also, going in, trump’s purported to be a billionaire. even said he didnt ‘need’ the money.

obama wasnt

so who gave more of his net worth away?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:49:29pm

re: #159 sagehen

You get the money now; they then have a lien on your parts.

And if you should fall off a cliff and it takes days to retrieve your body, or if you’re killed by a bear mauling or you’re lost at sea, your estate would then owe them a refund.

LOL, my estate. And I’m way better off than many people.

That and they are specifically making the argument this would be good for the poor. Lots of us have estates they can sue.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:50:38pm

re: #138 dangerman (not steve)

cargo nets
glue
2 sided sticky tape

i also see a cottage industry in velcro nets and velcro suits

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:51:26pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:52:45pm

re: #142 ThomasLite

Isn’t that *explicitly* what he’s doing? I believe consensus when it first came up was POTUS can’t actually refuse his salary for some reason (seemed wonky to me then TBH but if some fairly reputable American law profs are arguing so I’m happy to take their word for it - gov’t can be weird at times).
I mean, if that’s what he’s doing it’s AOK to take it as a charitable deduction; X USD coming in, X USD deducted, income tax effect net 0, I believe (unless I’m missing some of the vagaries of the US income tax system). Also, too: at that time it was mentioned there’s a ceiling to max charitable deductions so this would count towards that - not that I seriously believe he’s legitimately donating any amount of substance but hey, it might interfere with some other ‘creative’ schemes.

actually no as i said above, er below, oh hell where ever it is
you are largely correct
it’s a tax quibble and we live for those

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:53:06pm

re: #114 jaunte

I would like to hear some responses to this:

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:53:29pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

Or trebuchets. Or circus cannons.

And his dipwad idea of a 1,500 mile roller on top of his nonsense wall? Aside from taking decades to complete and endless funds to maintain, that is easily defeated as well (rope across both sides, weighted on each end).

Geez Bill, if this is what college teaches you, maybe it’s a good thing I didn’t go.

College teaches those that want to absorb the knowledge. Further education. It isn’t magic.

My old teachers, the Catholic nuns, really pounded on that idea at my school. They wanted us to be sponges and soak up the knowledge we could. And always keep that ability, you may learn it later but keep soaking it up.

Bill is no sponge. He’s got a rock head made of granite. And as we all know granite rock is pretty resistant to soaking up anything.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:54:11pm

re: #159 sagehen

You get the money now; they then have a lien on your parts.

And if you should fall off a cliff and it takes days to retrieve your body, or if you’re killed by a bear mauling or you’re lost at sea, your estate would then owe them a refund.

I have so many questions… what if I develop cancer after I sell my organs? Or what if I develop a chemical dependency (alcohol and/or drugs) that ruin some organs? Can they force me to work out and/or eat healthy so that I don’t become obese and thereby damage certain organs?

This is one of those glibertarian naval gazing exercises that always make me shake my head at my alleged fellow travelers

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:54:25pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:56:29pm

re: #171 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oy Vey. Here we go again. :(

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 1:58:39pm

re: #168 Belafon

I would like to hear some responses to this:

Electronics component manufacturing has largely been moved overseas. Very few suppliers exist in the USA to supply our nation’s electronics industry.

Moreover, he isn’t blaming the Russians (that’s a red herring). He’s blaming the tariffs (which Trump promised on his campaign).

The chart he posted was the number of jobs gained, not the increase or decrease of manufacturers, and the number given is all jobs, not electronics component manufacturing jobs.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:00:53pm

re: #159 sagehen

You get the money now; they then have a lien on your parts.

And if you should fall off a cliff and it takes days to retrieve your body, or if you’re killed by a bear mauling or you’re lost at sea, your estate would then owe them a refund.

if you’re not ‘rich’ and you pre-sell an organ, it’ll be an estate that has nothing in it cause you spent it (unless for some reason you saved it for your heirs)

if you have a house, you’re better off talking to tom selleck’s people
(a little better off)
/ .5

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:01:12pm

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:02:24pm

re: #168 Belafon

Manufacturing needs not only labor but materials. Not all of those materials, raw or otherwise, are available in the US. So, stupid tariffs that make it more costly for a manufacturer to manufacture goods means that production costs go up. That means you either produce less, hire fewer workers, raise prices (which may, in turn stifle demand for your product), or some combination thereof

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:02:40pm

re: #169 ObserverArt

Well, granite countertops have been known to absorb pathogenic bacteria such as salmonella or e. coli. Maybe that’s what Mr. Mitchell absorbed. /s

I would liked to have had the formal education a college or university provides, but just because I didn’t go doesn’t mean I chose to stop learning.

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:02:53pm

re: #168 Belafon

Like all Trump supporting American business people, I assume he’s lying and taking advantage of the tarrifs to move production without you know, taking any responsibility for his own decisions.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:03:52pm

re: #166 jaunte

Back at the WH from Camp David policy meeting with senior aides, Pres Trump says “I informed my folks to say that we’ll build a steel barrier,” along the southern border instead of a cement wall. “It’ll be less obtrusive and it’ll be stronger,” he says.

i thought you were this brilliant builder
are you saying your original idea was….weak?

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:05:43pm

Notice, Trump assured us that there would be consequences for moving production. Yet, no where in the piece is there any reference to the devastating penalty he’ll receive by moving to Mexico.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:06:07pm

re: #170 KGxvi

I have so many questions… what if I develop cancer after I sell my organs? Or what if I develop a chemical dependency (alcohol and/or drugs) that ruin some organs? Can they force me to work out and/or eat healthy so that I don’t become obese and thereby damage certain organs?

This is one of those glibertarian naval gazing exercises that always make me shake my head at my alleged fellow travelers

they’re on a different train on a different track wanting to go somewhere the rest of us are not

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:06:58pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

This is a test:

Apple Test Pattern Card
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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:07:40pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

I was in the pool!!!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Charles,
Take the rest of the weekend off.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:09:08pm

re: #176 KGxvi

Manufacturing needs not only labor but materials. Not all of those materials, raw or otherwise, are available in the US. So, stupid tariffs that make it more costly for a manufacturer to manufacture goods means that production costs go up. That means you either produce less, hire fewer workers, raise prices (which may, in turn stifle demand for your product), or some combination thereof

economics is hard

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:09:17pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Thank you Charles.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:10:23pm

re: #180 Amory Blaine

Notice, Trump assured us that there would be consequences for moving production. Yet, no where in the piece is there any reference to the devastating penalty he’ll receive by moving to Mexico.

YouTube

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:13:04pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Yayyyyyyy!

That’s a nice birthday gift I can enjoy all year long….

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:15:24pm

re: #188 TedStriker

Like the donut of the month club. Happy birthday, TedStriker!

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:16:07pm

re: #174 dangerman (not steve)

if you’re not ‘rich’ and you pre-sell an organ, it’ll be an estate that has nothing in it cause you spent it (unless for some reason you saved it for your heirs)

if you have a house, you’re better off talking to tom selleck’s people
(a little better off)
/ .5

If you’re married, you and your spouse are a financial unit. Responsible for each other’s debts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:16:10pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

One more test of a giant-size photograph.

Failed. The size was 1.1M, the upload box says max 500k, the failed box says was over 4M.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:17:06pm

re: #190 sagehen

If you’re married, you and your spouse are a financial unit. Responsible for each other’s debts.

So they claim your spouse’s organs.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:17:15pm
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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:18:04pm

Thread on the nonexistent border crisis:

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Amory Blaine  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:18:38pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

So they claim your spouse’s organs.

But my spouse plays the violin.

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jeffreyw  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:18:47pm


Yay! I had to reload the page after a try and fail, that did the trick!
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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:19:42pm

re: #192 Anymouse 🌹

So they claim your spouse’s organs.

Having lost you, she’s got nothing to live for anyway. They’re doing her a favor.
////////////

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:23:21pm

re: #191 Anymouse 🌹

One more test of a giant-size photograph.

Failed. The size was 1.1M, the upload box says max 500k, the failed box says was over 4M.

Ah, I know why. Reload the page and try again, please.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:23:30pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

The Libertarians over at Reason are making the case for free-market organ sales for transplants.

reason.com

Libertarians should be familiar with Larry Niven’s organlegger stories. And that any market will open the possibility of a black market.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:25:07pm

re: #195 Amory Blaine

But my spouse plays the violin.

Mine plays harp and bowed psaltery.

Thread, fifty-eight tweets. A compendium of medical treatments for the rich during the middle ages through the XIX Century, with really gross stuff in there. Turns out, the poor actually got better treatment, because they couldn’t afford what grifters were selling the rich.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:26:12pm

Let Congressfolks get stuck in the airports, we’ll see this done in an hour.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:28:26pm

re: #177 Anymouse 🌹

Well, granite countertops have been known to absorb pathogenic bacteria such as salmonella or e. coli. Maybe that’s what Mr. Mitchell absorbed. /s

I would liked to have had the formal education a college or university provides, but just because I didn’t go doesn’t mean I chose to stop learning.

Didn’t say you did. The point was about being a sponge and continuing to educate yourself.

It’s the road you choose and how you get there. Superhighway, state highway, surface streets and back roads, alleys and paths.

On the flip-side, I have heard a lot of people that didn’t go to college say negative things about those that did go to college. I think sometimes that is a pride and or jealousy issue.

It would be all pointless to a degree as far as how you become educated, but then we have turned education into a business so they push college on everyone and that may not be right either. We need all manner of options and ways for all our citizens to have full access.

All I know is, education, like healthcare needs a good scrubbing and polishing in this country. We aren’t all that.

And I tell conservatives I know that a healthy and well educated people are a strong people and a great national defense. So, let’s spend like it is in the defense budget!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:29:02pm

re: #198 Charles Johnson

Ah, I know why. Reload the page and try again, please.

Okay, cuing up the same photograph.

It worked! You can’t see me in the photograph because I am not above deck.

USS John F Kennedy (CV-67) returning to port on her last voyage.
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:30:06pm

I love creative people!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:31:25pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Thanks Charles, that makes it easier to use my phone to upload.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:32:44pm

re: #194 jaunte

I think someone posted a link here yesterday that’s included “things you didn’t know about illegal immigration.” One of them was that the median residency of undocumented immigrants in the US was like 14.8 years. I also decided to look up polling on immigration, Pew has some interesting numbers. In 2016 only 32% of respondents favored deporting everyone that was in the US illegally. And 84% favored a pathway to citizenship/amnesty. (Those are combined “favor” and “strongly favor” numbers)

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:32:59pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:35:01pm

LOL

Police find drugs in box labeled ‘Not Dope’ (with photograph, goes to WCSH)

The Ironton Police Department in Ohio found a container of illegal drugs labeled “Not Dope” inside a library.

Police said officers found the container inside the city’s library Friday. Police said a loaded syringe and methamphetamine were inside the box.

The owner of the box is unknown at this time.

I wonder with if the owner is going to go to the Ironton Police Department to claim his box? /s

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:36:07pm

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

Nope, still not gonna get the money for yer vanity project, moron.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:36:07pm

Testing with today’s lunch picture—Pastrami and Cole slaw sky high from Label’s Table Deli on Pico

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:36:12pm

Reposted because it’s good

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:38:06pm

pretty sure Schumer and Pelosi didn’t say “oh, OK, a steel fence instead of a concrete wall makes ALL THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:40:04pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:40:46pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Testing… Seems to read my files as too large at 1.7 mb

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:41:30pm

re: #214 Unshaken Defiance

You need to reload the page.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:41:33pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure Schumer and Pelosi didn’t say “oh, OK, a steel fence instead of a concrete wall makes ALL THE FUCKING DIFFERENCE!”

I thought the wingnuts raised all the money to pay for the wall from a Go Fund Me?

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:44:46pm

The problem is Sarah Huckabee Sanders doesn’t believe she’s lying about 4000 terrorists crossed the Mexican Border. Sanders and her like-minded Trump cult followers believe all immigrants crossing are terrorists.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:44:56pm

re: #203 Anymouse 🌹

Okay, cuing up the same photograph.

It worked! You can’t see me in the photograph because I am not above deck.

[Embedded content]

were you waving?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:45:11pm

re: #216 bd(Redacted)

I thought the wingnuts raised all the money to pay for the wall from a Go Fund Me?

Gonna take them awhile.

As of now:

$19,375,157 of $1.0B goal

That’s $19.3 million someone’s going to grift from a bunch of chowderheads (and $19.3 million which cannot be used to fund Republican campaigns because they gave the money to a grifter).

On top of that, I imagine someone is collecting credit card info and/or E-mail addresses to sell.

This whole thing reeks of fraud. I suppose I should feel bad for people being defrauded, but they are doing it willfully so they can fund a racist vanity project.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:46:01pm

re: #207 Patricia Kayden

Thank you Speaker Pelosi for not seating the Republican in NC-09 due to the rampant election fraud. Looks like NC will need to hold a new election. It’s nice to have a REAL Speaker who is fighting for our democracy. Paul Ryan would’ve seated him. Welcome to the new America

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:46:23pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:46:41pm

Works now that I reloaded. Thanks Charles one step easier,

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:46:47pm

re: #208 Anymouse 🌹

LOL

Police find drugs in box labeled ‘Not Dope’ (with photograph, goes to WCSH)

I wonder with if the owner is going to go to the Ironton Police Department to claim his box? /s

i understand when they ship fresh picked zucchini’s they label the boxes:
“Squash, do not crush”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:47:45pm

re: #217 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

The problem is Sarah Huckabee Sanders doesn’t believe she’s lying about 4000 terrorists crossed the Mexican Border. Sanders and her like-minded Trump cult followers believe all immigrants crossing are terrorists.

What a crazy lie. The media really needs to call her out when she lies so blatantly. She’s supposed to be a dang spokesperson for goodness sake.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:49:03pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Seems to work well enough. This pic was 1.97 MB

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:50:01pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Gonna take them awhile.

As of now:

$19,375,157 of $1.0B goal

That’s $19.3 million someone’s going to grift from a bunch of chowderheads (and $19.3 million which cannot be used to fund Republican campaigns because they gave the money to a grifter).

On top of that, I imagine someone is collecting credit card info and/or E-mail addresses to sell.

This whole thing reeks of fraud. I suppose I should feel bad for people being defrauded, but they are doing it willfully so they can fund a racist vanity project.

I’m too lazy to get the link now, but the guy running this scam (you know, the disabled vet with three missing limbs and the stereotypical Aryan wife and children) is also accepting direct donations by check/cash/whatever to a mailing address in (IIRC) Oklahoma or Kansas or somewhere thereabouts

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:50:47pm

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

What a crazy lie. The media really needs to call her out when she lies so blatantly. She’s supposed to be a dang spokesperson for goodness sake.

see

re: #95 Anymouse 🌹

Chris Wallace was trying not to have any of it

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:51:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:51:19pm

re: #221 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

Notice that Nancy is using the hand signal for “one more word out of you and what’s left of your balls get twisted off…)

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:51:55pm

Meanwhile here in Seattle:

‘Super Bowl of Astronomy’ Kicks Off Without NASA Amid Government Shutdown

The American Astronomical Society’s biggest annual gathering, a conference dubbed the “Super Bowl of astronomy,” kicks off in Seattle today (Jan. 6). But the team will be short a few hundred players this year, thanks to the government shutdown.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:54:04pm

re: #180 Amory Blaine

Notice, Trump assured us that there would be consequences for moving production. Yet, no where in the piece is there any reference to the devastating penalty he’ll receive by moving to Mexico.

Trump will call him a mean name on Twitter.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:54:12pm

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m too lazy to get the link now, but the guy running this scam (you know, the disabled vet with three missing limbs and the stereotypical Aryan wife and children) is also accepting direct donations by check/cash/whatever to a mailing address in (IIRC) Oklahoma or Kansas or somewhere thereabouts

-if you voluntarily choose to participate in donate to something this asinine, then best of luck to ya
- you deserve whatever comes your way

would such a person fairly be classified as a rube?
asking for a bunch of friends

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:55:12pm

re: #113 Anymouse 🌹

These people are all fucking delusional.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:55:23pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

Gonna take them awhile.

As of now:

$19,375,157 of $1.0B goal

That’s $19.3 million someone’s going to grift from a bunch of chowderheads (and $19.3 million which cannot be used to fund Republican campaigns because they gave the money to a grifter).

On top of that, I imagine someone is collecting credit card info and/or E-mail addresses to sell.

This whole thing reeks of fraud. I suppose I should feel bad for people being defrauded, but they are doing it willfully so they can fund a racist vanity project.

Can’t say that I could ever gather one ounce of sympathy for any of them.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:55:46pm

re: #74 jaunte

Israel has spent years building fences around parts of its border, and it still has to worry about infiltration by armed terrorists.

They’ve built tunnels that went undetected.

They’ve fired rockets and missiles into Israel that were undetected.

All the technology in the world wont keep out a persistent threat. Manpower wont keep them out either. Israel has far less territory and wall to defend, and even then they have issues. They also know that the wall isn’t the only answer.

Trump’s only answer is a wall, and it doesn’t address the bulk of the issues he claims:

1) it doesn’t address drug trafficking, when drugs come in via mail from China (fentanyl)
2) it doesn’t stop anyone who overstays their visas (and that’s the majority of the people here illegally).
3) it wont stop anyone from climbing over with ropes or ladders.

Trump loves to claim that he’s built so much wall, except every analysis reveals he’s built precisely ZERO miles of new wall. There’s a possibility he can start building new wall at some point this year based on existing appropriations, but the miles aren’t changing. He’s only modified a few scant miles of existing fence.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:56:43pm

re: #219 Anymouse 🌹

At this rate, it’ll be decades before they get to their goal. Heh.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:57:58pm

re: #225 Eventual Carrion

Trade ya for a desktop wallpaper?

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:58:02pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Awesomesauce. Thanks a bunch!

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:58:10pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

Remember when Assange was going to be kicked out of the embassy at any second?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:58:25pm

re: #204 Joe Bacon 🌹

I love creative people!

[Embedded content]

Please tell me that’s a Hobby Lobby store.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:59:26pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Awesome!! Thanks, boss man!

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 2:59:50pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Not all compression schemes are equal, yours here is very kind to colors and detail. Nice work thanks.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:00:38pm

re: #235 lawhawk

Israel has spent years building fences around parts of its border, and it still has to worry about infiltration by armed terrorists.

They’ve built tunnels that went undetected.

They’ve fired rockets and missiles into Israel that were undetected.

All the technology in the world wont keep out a persistent threat. Manpower wont keep them out either. Israel has far less territory and wall to defend, and even then they have issues. They also know that the wall isn’t the only answer.

Trump’s only answer is a wall, and it doesn’t address the bulk of the issues he claims:

1) it doesn’t address drug trafficking, when drugs come in via mail from China (fentanyl)
2) it doesn’t stop anyone who overstays their visas (and that’s the majority of the people here illegally).
3) it wont stop anyone from climbing over with ropes or ladders.

Trump loves to claim that he’s built so much wall, except every analysis reveals he’s built precisely ZERO miles of new wall. There’s a possibility he can start building new wall at some point this year based on existing appropriations, but the miles aren’t changing. He’s only modified a few scant miles of existing fence.

there are lots of good technical reasons why a wall is a bad idea.
these are some good ones.

I’m sticking with this one:

“A wall is an immorality. It’s not who we are as a nation” - Speaker Pelosi

I refuse to accept even the premise of a wall as an item for discussion.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:00:53pm

Baby Snidely, pwned again.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:01:37pm

Florida woman attacked parents for not taking her to Outback Steakhouse (NBC)

Now we have to deal with “Florida woman” stories.

TAMPA, Fla. (WFLA) - Authorities say a Florida woman threw a tantrum and attacked her parents after they refused to take her to Outback Steakhouse.

WPBF reports Deana Seltzer of Lake Worth was arrested following reports of a domestic disturbance on Wednesday night.

(more)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:04:26pm

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Florida woman attacked parents for not taking her to Outback Steakhouse (NBC)

Now we have to deal with “Florida woman” stories.

(more)

Bloomin’ idiot wanted a Bloomin’ Onion…

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:05:19pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Well, folks, you can now upload images up to 4 megabytes in size, and they will be automatically downsized to 500K. It may or may not change the pixel size of the image, depending on how large it is.

Yeah, but does it make a heatmap that shows whether the size of a pixel has changed? //

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:05:56pm

re: #244 makeitstop

Baby Snidely, pwned again.

[Embedded content]

LOL, poor Ben. He’s still pissed that he demanded he debate her and she told him to go pound his pud.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:06:35pm

Own goal by Wikileaks:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:06:53pm

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Florida woman attacked parents for not taking her to Outback Steakhouse (NBC)

Now we have to deal with “Florida woman” stories.

(more)

Watch what happens when they don’t toss some shrimp on the barbie for her while she’s in jail!

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:07:43pm

re: #245 Anymouse 🌹

Florida woman attacked parents for not taking her to Outback Steakhouse (NBC)

Now we have to deal with “Florida woman” stories.

(more)

Outback Steakhouse, people are just dying to get there!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:08:27pm

re: #232 dangerman (not steve)

-if you voluntarily choose to participate in donate to something this asinine, then best of luck to ya
- you deserve whatever comes your way

would such a person fairly be classified as a rube?
asking for a bunch of friends

Probably, though maybe not all toothless.

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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:11:03pm

if i’m doing the math right, i could commute to work in 4 seconds. maybe they could use one of those vietnam-era vertical extractions to catch me here in central and then just drop me outside the door in seneca. I’d be traveling at 17,000 miles an hour, so navigating the door would be tricky.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:11:25pm

re: #244 makeitstop

Baby Snidely, pwned again.

Dude, she’s really not into you. She doesn’t even want you in the friend zone. /s

He is so desperate for attention and relevance.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:12:44pm

re: #244 makeitstop

Baby Snidely, pwned again.

[Embedded content]

Ben Shapiro is such a twit.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:14:19pm

re: #237 Unshaken Defiance

Trade ya for a desktop wallpaper?

[Embedded content]

Deal. That is my PC wallpaper on my work laptop. I took that pic heading to work one morning a couple winters ago from the reservoir causeway as the sun was coming up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:15:19pm

Don’t run (Editorial in the Barre-Montpelier, VT Times-Argus, more at the link):

Bernie Sanders should not run for president. In fact, we beg him not to.

That is an unfavorable opinion, especially among most Vermonters and progressives who support the platform that has come to define him. But at this point, there are more things about another Sanders run at the White House that concern us than excite us.

In this space, we have repeatedly hit the senator on where his loyalties lay: Vermont or a bigger calling? We have asked him to make a choice, which he would argue was his recent re-election to Congress. But in his previous run for the presidency, Sanders, an independent who ran for the White House as a Democrat, missed dozens of votes that likely would have helped Vermonters. And, while he handily defeated his challenger, can Vermonters point to Sanders’ record and say definitively, “This is what he’s done for us?”

They then proceed to tear him apart.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:15:41pm

re: #255 ObserverArt

Ben Shapiro is such a twit.

Ben views anyone younger than him as a direct threat.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:17:23pm

re: #222 Unshaken Defiance

[Embedded content]

Works now that I reloaded. Thanks Charles one step easier,

that can’t actually be snow at Griffith Park, can it?

Silly me. Of course not. I’ll bet it’s ash….

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:19:06pm

re: #246 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bloomin’ idiot wanted a Bloomin’ Onion…

That sheila be crazy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:19:34pm

re: #258 bd(Redacted)

Ben views anyone younger and more accomplished than him as a direct threat.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:23:38pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:24:27pm

Jeez:

Q. If we give you the $5.7 billion, how are you going to spend it?

A. I DUNNO

Stupid hostage takers are the worst kind of hostage takers.

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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:25:16pm

re: #49 Teddy’s Person

I’m feeling sluggish this morning and having a hard time motivating myself to do some lecture prep for the week. We had strong winds overnight, and I was up from about 2am to 4am comforting a quivering GoldenDoodle.

ha ha! lecture prep! you newbies make me laugh. Monday’s just me opening blackboard and saying, “here’s what in the syllabus….” I did break down and create an addendum that mentions how much I hate late work, and how plagiarizers are buried under road work on i-85.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:27:30pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

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Did Jim call him uppity?

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:30:36pm

Wait for it…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:30:43pm

Chuck Norris, super American patriot right-wing Christopath, turns his back on America to shill for Toyota.

toyotaofdecatur.com

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:31:39pm
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steve_davis  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:33:05pm

re: #65 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

In a vegetative state for years, she gave birth. Now families wonder if there are other victims.

There was a highly publicized case like this in Lubbock in 1991. Suspicion centered on the staff but it turned out to be the victim’s brother in law.
Texas Woman’s Kin Is Accused in Rape That Led to Inquiry

LOL! “Arrested while dining with his wife….” Oh god, and Lubbock! Of course Lubbock. I bet that conversation went well. “Officer, I paid the damned bill!” “This isn’t about the restaurant. It’s about you fucking and impregnating your brain-dead sister-in-law.” “Oh! Well, okay then.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:34:07pm

Hard to digest: Inmates eat holiday steak during shutdown while prison workers go unpaid (NBC)

Some Florida prisoners mocked the guards while feasting on a New Year’s Day lunch of grilled steak, garlic macaroni biscuits and holiday pies, worker says.

Good job, Trump.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:34:50pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:35:06pm

re: #259 sagehen

that can’t actually be snow at Griffith Park, can it?

Silly me. Of course not. I’ll bet it’s ash….

That’s Mt Wilson lol, a few thousand feet higher.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:37:15pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:40:08pm

Federal employees better hunker down and “adjust” to not getting paid for a while longer.

Thanks Trump

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:40:59pm

Pentagon chief of staff Kevin Sweeney resigns

Giphy

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:43:51pm

Oh, by the way - that automatic downsizing of images only works for JPEG images, not GIFs.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:43:57pm

Ben Shapiro’s business model is pretty much the same as a Chaturbate cammer, except he’s trying to anticipate what raging narcissists want to hear rather than what horny dudes want to see.

Much like how Rush Limbaugh was pretty much a 1-900 operator, but instead of telling you your cock is huge he tells you you’re really smart and educated.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:44:15pm

re: #275 Unshaken Defiance

There will come a day (sooner rather than later) when DT will not recognize his staff.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:46:10pm
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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:46:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:56:48pm

re: #280 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

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kid has the look nailed

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 3:58:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:00:58pm

Must Writers Be Moral? Their Contracts May Require It (New York Times)

More and more large publishing houses are putting “morality clauses” in contracts for authors. The idea is if the author is involved in a scandal (as determined by the publisher), the publisher can fire them.

One answer is the increasingly widespread “morality clause.” Over the past few years, Simon & Schuster, HarperCollins and Penguin Random House have added such clauses to their standard book contracts. I’ve heard that Hachette Book Group is debating putting one in its trade book contracts, though the publisher wouldn’t confirm it. These clauses release a company from the obligation to publish a book if, in the words of Penguin Random House, “past or future conduct of the author inconsistent with the author’s reputation at the time this agreement is executed comes to light and results in sustained, widespread public condemnation of the author that materially diminishes the sales potential of the work.”

That’s reasonable, I guess. Penguin, to its credit, doesn’t ask authors to return their advances. But other publishers do, and some are even more hard-nosed.

This past year, regular contributors to Condé Nast magazines started spotting a new paragraph in their yearly contracts. It’s a doozy. If, in the company’s “sole judgment,” the clause states, the writer “becomes the subject of public disrepute, contempt, complaints or scandals,” Condé Nast can terminate the agreement. In other words, a writer need not have done anything wrong; she need only become scandalous. In the age of the Twitter mob, that could mean simply writing or saying something that offends some group of strident tweeters.

(more)

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:02:37pm

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Must Writers Be Moral? Their Contracts May Require It *New York Times)

More and more large publishing houses are putting “morality clauses” in contracts for authors. The idea is if the author is involved in a scandal (as determined by the publisher), the publisher can fire them.

(more)

Everyone is a brand now.

Lamest dystopia ever.

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teleskiguy  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:03:01pm

re: #122 GlutenFreeJesus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:03:21pm

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Must Writers Be Moral? Their Contracts May Require It (New York Times)

More and more large publishing houses are putting “morality clauses” in contracts for authors. The idea is if the author is involved in a scandal (as determined by the publisher), the publisher can fire them.

(more)

They should just call it the “Milo Clause”

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:05:20pm

re: #284 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

Everyone is a brand now.

Lamest dystopia ever.

Always read the fine print. Then upding.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:05:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:08:14pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:08:57pm

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

They should just call it the “Milo Clause”

The problem is that said clause could be implemented simply by people brigading social media to slag you, even if you’re not on it, even if what is said is not true.

For example, our esteemed host Mr. Johnson has a noteworthy hate mob on social media. If he was to announce on his Twitter feed he has sold a book to a major publisher, those folk would be out in a flash trashing everything about him.

Said publisher, looking at the quantity of outrage and not whether it’s true or not, then tells Mr. Johnson “sorry, upon reconsideration we suggest you take your book somewhere else.”

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:10:58pm

re: #284 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

Everyone is a brand now.

Lamest dystopia ever.

There’s an argument that traditional publishing houses aren’t really needed in the future of publishing. It’s not very difficult to put a book out on the ereader marketplaces, and Amazon offers a print when purchased program if you want hardcopies available. Social media gives authors the ability to promote their work in ways that they couldn’t even a few years ago.

Same thing has happened in music, you can bypass the old gatekeepers fairly easily now. It’s still a lot of hard work, but much more doable than it used to be

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:11:17pm

oh, and air traffic controllers aren’t being paid either.

Happy Flying!

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:13:03pm

re: #292 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s probablh fair to say that it’s everyones nightmare

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:18:18pm

re: #293 KGxvi

It’s probablh fair to say that it’s everyones nightmare

Hoping the unions that are suing are going to get a favorable ruling ASAP.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:19:00pm
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ipsos  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:19:05pm

At some point, I have to believe the right plaintiff and lawyer could get to the right federal judge with a persuasive case that you can’t simultaneously force someone to work and not pay them.

Didn’t we settle the legality of that 150-some years ago?

Seems to me the shutdown theater depends on the idea that it doesn’t “really” affect most of us because essential work still goes on, paid or unpaid. But if TSA workers and border agents and federal prison guards all get the word that if they’re not being paid, they can’t be compelled to come to work… that, I’d think, would be a game changer.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:19:05pm
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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:22:21pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

I’ve also seen those labeled as “Family” restrooms.

Or rural filling station restrooms.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:23:28pm

re: #296 ipsos

At some point, I have to believe the right plaintiff and lawyer could get to the right federal judge with a persuasive case that you can’t simultaneously force someone to work and not pay them.

Didn’t we settle the legality of that 150-some years ago?

Seems to me the shutdown theater depends on the idea that it doesn’t “really” affect most of us because essential work still goes on, paid or unpaid. But if TSA workers and border agents and federal prison guards all get the word that if they’re not being paid, they can’t be compelled to come to work… that, I’d think, would be a game changer.

I was thinking that they must have signed away their rights in some agreement of essentiality [like that one?], but I thought you weren’t supposed to be able to sign your rights away…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:24:07pm

And they’re working on that right now… .

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Schweppes7  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:25:10pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

I agree completely. I just watched the full interview and it really made me like the congresswoman a lot. She is so refreshingly honest and direct in her answers and her heart is in the right place on all the core issues. I find her to be quite inspiring.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:26:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:28:18pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

I was thinking that they must have signed away their rights in some agreement of essentiality [like that one?], but I thought you weren’t supposed to be able to sign your rights away…

Even military personnel don’t sign rights away (that’s somewhat of an urban legend).

The big area where that’s being fought now is arbitration (signing your right away to bringing a lawsuit). Lots of corporations like that one.

For example, I want to sue my telephone company for my lousy Internet service. Somewhere in the microscopic sign up text is a clause that says they get to pick the arbiter, and I get to go to Delaware or Louisiana or something to slug out my case (without the benefit of a lawyer). Lots of corporations and conservative politicians love that one.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:29:56pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:32:24pm

re: #301 Schweppes7

I agree completely. I just watched the full interview and it really made me like the congresswoman a lot. She is so refreshingly honest and direct in her answers and her heart is in the right place on all the core issues. I find her to be quite inspiring.

She’s like a young Beto O’Rourke. Which is better than it might sound at first.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:33:56pm

That would matter if the GOP cared about the law.

Lawsuits can not be brought right now in Federal court because the courts are shut down for civil proceedings due to the Trumpdown. Mitch McConnell, the real ruler of the country, has no desire to reopen the government, and this is the exact situation conservatives have worked toward for decades.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:35:25pm

re: #303 Anymouse 🌹

The only thing I can help with is that Delaware has some very liberal business laws. As a matter of fact there is a building that has a bunch of corporations listed as being in this one building but they are not physically there.

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:35:43pm

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

My great-grandmother’s farm had a three-hole privy. (She kept it after she got an inside bathroom.) Didn’t much bother either her farmhands or people in our family.

Abraham Lincoln’s house in Springfield IL has a multi-hole privy. (I’ve forgotten how many; I think three.) They made a real effort to get his home historically accurate.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:35:47pm

And this is why Bernie supporters are really going to go after her:

His message plus actually appealing to minorities would totally screw him out of a chance.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:36:45pm

re: #309 Belafon

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:38:55pm

This fucking eedjit…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:39:56pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

That bullshite Press Secretary statement at the end of the “60 Minutes” clip would be too hot to use as fertilizer for my garden.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:40:39pm

Shocked!!!!

Not So Fast: Trump Called The Chinese ‘Motherf**kers’ In Vegas Speech

huffingtonpost.com

“So easy. I’d drop a 25 percent tax on China,” Trump told a packed audience in a video of the speech posted on YouTube (above).

Trump quipped in a high-pitched voice that the message could come softly with someone saying: “We’re gonna tax you 25 percent.”

He added: “And I could say: ‘Listen, you motherfuckers, we’re gonna tax you 25 percent.’”

Cue big applause, laughter and giddy sounds of excitement.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:41:36pm

re: #313 bd(Redacted)

Moron still doesn’t understand who’s getting taxed.

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gwangung  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:42:21pm

re: #309 Belafon

And this is why Bernie supporters are really going to go after her:

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His message plus actually appealing to minorities would totally screw him out of a chance.

She seems to be very frank about white supremacy and advantage, where Sanders is slippery and mealy mouthed (if not outright denying).

Yeah. That’s A LOT more appealing to POCs.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:42:22pm

re: #314 jaunte

Moron still doesn’t understand who’s getting taxed.

Hint: it’s the people cheering.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:42:26pm

re: #309 Belafon

And this is why Bernie supporters are really going to go after her:

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His message plus actually appealing to minorities would totally screw him out of a chance.

Bros attack Beto because he appeals to the younger crowd, now going after Warren because she appeals to minorities, yet the people who point this out will get criticized for “dividing” Dems by pointing out the Bros are ratfucking anybody who threatens Bernie’s chances.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:42:27pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:44:32pm

re: #306 Anymouse 🌹

That would matter if the GOP cared about the law.

Lawsuits can not be brought right now in Federal court because the courts are shut down for civil proceedings due to the Trumpdown. Mitch McConnell, the real ruler of the country, has no desire to reopen the government, and this is the exact situation conservatives have worked toward for decades.

Let’s see what happens in this era of Pelosi. However, the House can’t get any legislation through without the cooperation of the Senate. Given the total malfeasance of the current GOP in Washington, Trump could rule by fiat and, with the eager approval of the Senate, destroy the judiciary for decades. If the traitor-in-chief gets away with “Acting” Secretaries, gets to declare a National Emergency to justify the wall, and keeps the TrumpShutdown going for months, it’s not clear that there is any limit to his damage to our nation’s institutions. OTOH, it’s certainly possible that in the interest of self-preservation, Republicans will do the right thing, especially if Mueller’s report is damning.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:46:20pm

re: #293 KGxvi

It’s probablh fair to say that it’s everyones nightmare

[raises hand]

I have to go to LA in a week. I’m hoping Pelosi is able to engineer a few R defections and get shit open again.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:48:27pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:50:36pm

re: #320 makeitstop

[raises hand]

I have to go to LA in a week. I’m hoping Pelosi is able to engineer a few R defections and get shit open again.

But how if Trump threatens to veto everything and McConnell refuses to bring any legislation to the floor that doesn’t have Trump’s approval? Or is there a way to bypass McConnell to get legislation considered by the Senate?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:50:58pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

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I actually remember the 1960 Democratic convention. I think my folks were pulling for Stuart Symington, but they would have voted for anybody against Tricky Dicky, of course.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:52:43pm

From CNBC.

- In his battle with Congress over border wall funding, President Donald Trump has leaned heavily on Twitter to rally support among his followers.

- So far, the strategy seems to be working.

- That doesn’t bode well for a quick resolution to the standoff.

- Based on CNBC review of his wall-related tweets, the effort is paying off

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:55:18pm

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

This fucking eedjit…

She didn’t learn from her bathroom beatdown yesterday? (Variants of “no I wouldn’t want my child going in that bathroom with some creepy pervert filming the door.”)

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:55:42pm

re: #324 MsJ

From CNBC.

He’s being influenced by Russian trolls.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:58:36pm

re: #326 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s being influenced by Russian trolls.

So there’s no such thing as Congress anymore? We’re governed by Twitter ratios? Fuck me!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:58:51pm

re: #325 Anymouse 🌹

She didn’t learn from her bathroom beatdown yesterday? (Variants of “no I wouldn’t want my child going in that bathroom with some creepy pervert filming the door.”)

Nope. These Qwazy Q’s continue to double down on the stupid!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:59:11pm

Man, if the Democrats end up caving on this asinine wall fantasy my head will explode.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:59:15pm

Anyone see this tonite? Impressive and encouraging. It’s the first I’ve heard of this use of a particle (electron) accelerator and its impact on organic matter, primarily sugars.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:59:29pm

re: #322 Hecuba’s daughter

But how if Trump threatens to veto everything and McConnell refuses to bring any legislation to the floor that doesn’t have Trump’s approval? Or is there a way to bypass McConnell to get legislation considered by the Senate?

There are parliamentary manoeuvers which can be used, but even they don’t mean much if McConnell brings nothing to the floor.

politics.stackexchange.com

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2019 • 4:59:53pm

re: #299 wrenchwench

I was thinking that they must have signed away their rights in some agreement of essentiality [like that one?], but I thought you weren’t supposed to be able to sign your rights away…

We could not be compelled to work through an unpaid shutdown; i.e. we were free to resign.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:00:44pm

re: #327 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So there’s no such thing as Congress anymore? We’re governed by Twitter ratios? Fuck me!

President Jack Dorsey. (He could manipulate those ratios any way he wanted with his company.)

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:01:45pm

re: #332 Decatur Deb

We could not be compelled to work through an unpaid shutdown; i.e. we were free to resign.

The right to be poor ye shall always have with you.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:02:46pm

Going for that mesmerizing calm moment…

YouTube

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:04:25pm

re: #303 Anymouse 🌹

An addendum to what I posted earlier. Here is some general information about Delaware Corporations:
en.wikipedia.org

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:04:34pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

The right to be poor ye shall always have with you.

It gets very tricky for Civil Service types stationed overseas. Each country has a different deal concerning off-post housing, for instance. We were well covered in Italy, but some stations could hang you out.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:05:00pm

Congenital conservatism on display:

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:05:02pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

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Nixon landslide win. Watching on TV with dad.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:05:26pm

re: #329 Charles Johnson

Man, if the Democrats end up caving on this asinine wall fantasy my head will explode.

If they’d do it before the shutdown (i.e. come up with a “deal”), I would have been angry but not overly surprised.

Now? There’s no way I could seem them caving that would do anything but ensure that Donny won reelection next year. There is so much invested in seeing him forced to accept defeat that working a “deal” would be political suicide for all involved.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:06:34pm

re: #335 Unshaken Defiance

That was beautiful. What was that glowing piece of metal?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:06:37pm

Picture time—The famous Music Box Stairs in Los Angeles immortalized by Laurel & Hardy!

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:07:24pm

re: #340 Targetpractice

If they’d do it before the shutdown (i.e. come up with a “deal”), I would have been angry but not overly surprised.

Now? There’s no way I could seem them caving that would do anything but ensure that Donny won reelection next year. There is so much invested in seeing him forced to accept defeat that working a “deal” would be political suicide for all involved.

Not to mention that trump would forever hold the country hostage whenever he damn well feels like it.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:07:52pm

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

Picture time—The famous Music Box Stairs in Los Angeles immortalized by Laurel & Hardy!

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Were do they lead?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:11:45pm

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

This fucking eedjit…

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:11:55pm

re: #343 MsJ

Not to mention that trump would forever hold the country hostage whenever he damn well feels like it.

Ayep. If the DNC cave now, that’s pretty much it for their House majority. This is the line in the sand they’ve made, if they cross it then there will never be another time where they can convincingly say “This is about principles” without everybody (including liberals) screaming “BULLSHIT!” Why? Because Trump will have proven that if he holds his breath long enough, eventually Dems will cave because they always cave.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:12:36pm

re: #343 MsJ

Not to mention that trump would forever hold the country hostage whenever he damn well feels like it.

It’s not Trump holding the country hostage, it’s the GOP. McConnell could stop this at any moment but he doesn’t. Trump does not have this Constitutional authority — let’s place blame where it belongs: the entire Republican party.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:12:38pm

re: #329 Charles Johnson

Man, if the Democrats end up caving on this asinine wall fantasy my head will explode.

Why would they? I’m not getting that vibe from them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:12:58pm

re: #344 MsJ

Were do they lead?

They are between 923 and 935 Vendome Street (actually, the stairs start on Vendome Street and end on Descanso Drive, at Del Monte Drive), in the Silver Lake district (northwest of downtown, just south of Sunset Boulevard).

The third step from the bottom has a worn plaque noting that the Oscar winning short was shot there. Sad that there’s a lot of graffiti at the top of the steps and several of them need restoration.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:13:11pm

re: #322 Hecuba’s daughter

But how if Trump threatens to veto everything and McConnell refuses to bring any legislation to the floor that doesn’t have Trump’s approval? Or is there a way to bypass McConnell to get legislation considered by the Senate?

The House is a done deal. Pelosi will get whatever she wants passed.

I’m talking about her passing spending bills in the House putting pressure on the Senate. Trump may not give a fuck, but there have to be at least a few senators who are starting to get nervous.

And if spending bills pass both houses and Trump vetoes them, then he completely owns the shutdown. As bad as things look for him now, they could get way worse if he keeps government shut down in defiance of the House and Senate.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:14:40pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

I was ten.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:14:46pm

re: #328 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nope. These Qwazy Q’s continue to double down on the stupid!

I went and looked her up. She used to be a singer for the Pussycat Dolls, though she apparently left the group before its first album came out.

Chrystal Neria (born August 28, 1984), known professionally as Kaya Jones, is a Canadian-American pop singer, model and actress. She originally became known in 2003 for performing with the American girl group the Pussycat Dolls. Since 2004, she has pursued a solo career in music. In 2017, she joined the National Diversity Coalition for Trump as their Native American Ambassador for Trump. (emphasis mine)

She started a record company in 2011 called Hueman Race Records, but the site is “down for maintenance” and the record company seems to exist only on Twitter and Facebook.

Failing upwards as conservatives do, she is now associated with Trump, though I don’t know if she’s actually being paid by him or this so-called “diversity coalition.”

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:14:48pm

re: #343 MsJ

Not to mention that trump would forever hold the country hostage whenever he damn well feels like it.

which is why we don’t negotiate with terrorists

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:15:15pm

re: #264 steve_davis

ha ha! lecture prep! you newbies make me laugh. Monday’s just me opening blackboard and saying, “here’s what in the syllabus….” I did break down and create an addendum that mentions how much I hate late work, and how plagiarizers are buried under road work on i-85.

Our classes started on the 2nd so the syllabus stuff is already done. Not a newbie. Just trying to improve some lecture material.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:16:11pm

re: #344 MsJ

Were do they lead?

Up. That seems obvious to me. /s

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:16:18pm

re: #344 MsJ

Were do they lead?

To a house in need of a piano? Or an ice delivery?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:16:22pm

re: #266 retired cynic

Awwww. That was so sweet.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:19:25pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

[Election of JFK]

JFK’s funeral on TV.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:19:46pm

re: #350 makeitstop

The House is a done deal. Pelosi will get whatever she wants passed.

I’m talking about her passing spending bills in the House putting pressure on the Senate. Trump may not give a fuck, but there have to be at least a few senators who are starting to get nervous.

And if spending bills pass both houses and Trump vetoes them, then he completely owns the shutdown. As bad as things look for him now, they could get way worse if he keeps government shut down in defiance of the House and Senate.

It doesn’t matter what a few senators think — if McConnell says no, nothing can be done — unless they rebel and replace him with someone else, but they won’t.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:20:20pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

which is why we don’t negotiate with terrorists

Liberals don’t but conservatives do.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:20:29pm

Spider-man won best animated film over the Incredibles at the Golden Globes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:20:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:23:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:24:51pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:25:31pm

re: #361 Belafon

Spider-man won best animated film over the Incredibles at the Golden Globes.

It deserves it. The artwork and concept was top-notch.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:26:27pm

Okay I guess:

Malaysian King Sultan Muhammad V abdicates amid reports he married Russian beauty queen (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Malaysian King Sultan Muhammad V has abdicated in an unexpected move after just two years on the throne.

Key points:

Sultan Muhammad V was one of Malaysia’s youngest monarchs
He is said to have married a former Russian beauty queen in November
There has been no official confirmation of the wedding

The palace said in a statement that the 49-year-old ruler had resigned as Malaysia’s 15th king with immediate effect, cutting short his five-year term.

It is the first abdication in the nation’s history and no reason was given in the statement.

Sultan Muhammad V, ruler of north-east Kelantan state, took his oath of office in December 2016, becoming one of Malaysia’s youngest constitutional monarchs.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:26:48pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Let’s see how the GOP Senators react to the War on the Poor that Trump started with this shutdown……no tax returns coming either if no government.

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lawhawk  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:27:44pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

Fer schnizzle.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:28:23pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

Eisenhower’s first inauguration, 1953. I was 3 1/2 and obviously didn’t understand what was happening but I do remember it.

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stpaulbear  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:28:32pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

I can remember photos of Kennedy and Nixon on a bulletin board in first grade. I don’t remember much about that election, but of course I remember the assassination and the aftermath.

In fifth grade, our teacher (a Canadian) went around the room and asked everyone who they favored for president. I didn’t know anything about politics (all I cared about was The Beatles) so I said the same as a friend that I thought was smart - Goldwater. I still regret that…

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:32:31pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Combine that with states most affected by Trump’s tariffs.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:33:11pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:33:22pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

A lot of people in the comment thread seem to still be stuck on “I don’t understand why they are voting against their best interest” as if this was an economic issue.

They are voting in their interest. Their interest is racism. It’s why soybean farmers in North Dakota and Nebraska are all in on this even as their farms are being destroyed. They don’t care about the money, their property, or their families.

They care about the racism, as President Johnson put it when talking about the Civil Rights Act.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:33:27pm

About the football player who leg broke yesterday:

I suspect the line about the doctors, while true, was something the parents told the kid to make him feel better.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:33:39pm

re: #366 Anymouse 🌹

Another one Compromised.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:34:08pm

re: #366 Anymouse 🌹

Malaysia has an interesting constitutional monarchy. Rather than one hereditary ruler, the leaders/rulers of each of several provinces elect one from their number to serve as head of state for a five-year term. There are questions whether the Sultan is in poor health or whether there’s some sort of scandal about to break. Anyway, usually the monarchy in Malaysia is deadly dull, so some reports are wondering how this abdication will play with the public.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:34:38pm

re: #370 stpaulbear

I can remember photos of Kennedy and Nixon on a bulletin board in first grade. I don’t remember much about that election, but of course I remember the assassination and the aftermath.

In fifth grade, our teacher (a Canadian) went around the room and asked everyone who they favored for president. I didn’t know anything about politics (all I cared about was The Beatles) so I said the same as a friend that I thought was smart - Goldwater. I still regret that…

I backed Goldwater. So did Hillary Rodham, which has led GOP leaders like Alex Jones and Jim Hoft to slag her for inconsistency. Or something. She was 16 at the time, turned 17 just before the election.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:35:19pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

First political memory, everyone. Go!

1959, at a parade in the Hague for Queen Juliana, understanding all the red white and blue bunting but wondering why everybody was wearing orange ribbons too.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:35:57pm

re: #369 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Eisenhower’s first inauguration, 1953. I was 3 1/2 and obviously didn’t understand what was happening but I do remember it.

The first I remember is Nixon’s first election. I was eight.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:36:14pm

And thinking Eisenhower was the King of America.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:37:04pm

re: #372 The Vicious Babushka

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:40:57pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

First political memory, everyone. Go!

My first memory was a pollster who visited our apartment in 1960 to ask our father who he was supporting. I remember we kids were screaming Kennedy and our mother supported Kennedy, but our dad supported Nixon. He hated the entire Kennedy clan as well as Johnson (Dad hated all Texas politicians, including Bush in 1988).

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:41:49pm

re: #369 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Eisenhower’s first inauguration, 1953. I was 3 1/2 and obviously didn’t understand what was happening but I do remember it.

Checkers Speech on B&W TV, shorty earlier.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:42:49pm

re: #353 Backwoods_Sleuth

which is why we don’t negotiate with terrorists

That was my exact thought!

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:42:51pm

re: #381 Belafon

[I really want her to say that Mexico will pay for it w/ a deadpan face.]

Deadpan is really hard, especially with an orange clown in the White House. Give her a little time, she’ll pull it off.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:44:19pm

Nixon. I used to go over to my grandmother’s house at least once a week to watch an afternoon movie on the local station and be indulged with ice cream. But then fucking Watergate fucked that all up. So I watched testimony while I ate my ice cream. And then I bought a “Nix Nixon” bumper sticker for the wall above my bed. I was 10.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:45:28pm

re: #383 Decatur Deb

Checkers Speech on B&W TV, shorty earlier.

I saw it at the little downtown, short-lived ‘art’ theater in the 70’s, mid-to-late. It was hilarious.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:46:04pm

re: #380 jaunte

And thinking Eisenhower was the King of America.

My father — political eccentric that he was — was a devout supporter of Stevenson. I really wasn’t aware of anything at that time about politics. That was something I learned years later.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:46:42pm

re: #387 wrenchwench

I saw it at the little downtown, short-lived ‘art’ theater in the 70’s, mid-to-late. It was hilarious.

I found it very impressive, but I was 6 and liked puppies.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:48:19pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:49:17pm

re: #386 Barefoot Grin

Nixon. I used to go over to my grandmother’s house at least once a week to watch an afternoon movie on the local station and be indulged with ice cream. But then fucking Watergate fucked that all up. So I watched testimony while I ate my ice cream. And then I bought a “Nix Nixon” bumper sticker for the wall above my bed. I was 10.

I was ‘on vacation’ at my gramma’s house in Joliet. I watched John Dean testify with Mo right behind him. I was an experienced watcher of politics on TV by that time. I was 15.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:49:27pm

I had no idea that the GOP was the radical left…learn something new every day…

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:51:11pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had no idea that the GOP was the radical left…learn something new every day…

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Read the excerpts earlier, basically Huckleberry Butch-Me-Up is screaming the usual, that the DNC needs to get on the same “BORDER CRISIS!!!!” page the GOP are on and accept a wall being built alongside whatever other demands for “border security” that the GOP can come up with.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:51:51pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

Assassination of JFK. I was two months shy of 8 years old.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:54:59pm
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William Lewis  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:56:11pm

re: #361 Belafon

Spider-man won best animated film over the Incredibles at the Golden Globes.

Good! Best movie I saw last year.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:57:13pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had no idea that the GOP was the radical left…learn something new every day…

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What an embarrassing sh*tshow from the GOP. Pelosi & Schumer are the “radical left”?

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 5:58:22pm

40 years ago, I liked this song a lot.

Linda Hargrove — Fallen Angel

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:00:22pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:00:30pm

re: #397 bd(Redacted)

What an embarrassing sh*tshow from the GOP. Pelosi & Schumer are the “radical left”?

To the GOP and their wingnut base, anybody who doesn’t think that ICE is an ultimate force for good is “the radical left.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:01:23pm

re: #392 Backwoods_Sleuth

I had no idea that the GOP was the radical left…learn something new every day…

So Graham is saying they are going to overthrow the elected government of the United States? Is that his claim?

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mmmirele  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:02:30pm

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Must Writers Be Moral? Their Contracts May Require It (New York Times)

More and more large publishing houses are putting “morality clauses” in contracts for authors. The idea is if the author is involved in a scandal (as determined by the publisher), the publisher can fire them.

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This is why the art I do is completely separate from my work. I don’t discuss my work in my art; I confine it to tweaking, skewering or roasting various religious issues.

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And yes, they’re all pillowcases. Three of them were picked up from the Goodwill; the third one down was a pillowcase from when I was in law school in the 1980s and I found it in my linen closed. I did these last year. I’ve got some other stuff but I’m really just going to embroider pillowcases until I work out my frustrations.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:05:01pm

re: #393 Targetpractice

Huckleberry Butch Me Up. Lol. Good one.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:06:28pm

re: #403 Patricia Kayden

Huckleberry Butch Me Up. Lol. Good one.

Can’t take credit for it, I stole…er, borrowed it from Charles Pierce over at Esquire.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:09:19pm

re: #402 mmmirele

This is why the art I do is completely separate from my work. I don’t discuss my work in my art; I confine it to tweaking, skewering or roasting various religious issues.

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And yes, they’re all pillowcases. Three of them were picked up from the Goodwill; the third one down was a pillowcase from when I was in law school in the 1980s and I found it in my linen closed. I did these last year. I’ve got some other stuff but I’m really just going to embroider pillowcases until I work out my frustrations.

Now I gotta find the pic of a lovely piece of embroidery that declares it is proof of the ability to stab something a thousand times.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:10:26pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

Now I gotta find the pic of a lovely piece of embroidery that declares it is proof of the ability to stab something a thousand times.

Speaking of embroidery, I miss klys.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:10:43pm

re: #393 Targetpractice

Read the excerpts earlier, basically Huckleberry Butch-Me-Up is screaming the usual, that the DNC needs to get on the same “BORDER CRISIS!!!!” page the GOP are on and accept a wall being built alongside whatever other demands for “border security” that the GOP can come up with.

Other demands for border security:
Tax cuts
Cutting Social Security

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mmmirele  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:11:02pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

Now I gotta find the pic of a lovely piece of embroidery that declares it is proof of the ability to stab something a thousand times.

I’ve seen that embroidery. And I need that embroidery. I probably should do it myself, yanno?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:11:50pm

re: #405 wrenchwench

Now I gotta find the pic of a lovely piece of embroidery that declares it is proof of the ability to stab something a thousand times.

This one?

Image: 1af70a60546d121c6a266f3266c7a9df.jpg

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A Mom Anon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:11:56pm

re: #406 The Vicious Babushka

I do too. I was just thinking about her yesterday and wondering how she is.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:12:21pm

re: #407 Belafon

Other demands for border security:
Tax cuts
Cutting Social Security

Well, the demands on the table seem to be wall funding (i.e. a down payment), along with more funding for BP agents, bed, and deportation judges. And maybe a few bucks to actually do what the DNC agree with, which is repairing and upgrading the existing barriers.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:12:38pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:14:55pm

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

Trump Tower and Hotel could hold quite a few of them.

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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:15:08pm

re: #409 Anymouse 🌹

This one?

Image: 1af70a60546d121c6a266f3266c7a9df.jpg

Yes! Thanks!

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:16:01pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:16:24pm

re: #414 wrenchwench

Yes! Thanks!

You’re welcome, Ms. Wench.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:18:12pm

re: #412 The Vicious Babushka

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When the Obama admin took time to prepare for the ‘13 shutdown and closed down parks/rec areas, the GOP lost their fucking minds over what they viewed as punitive actions being taken to punish the public for the DNC’s refusal to “negotiate.”

By contrast, this admin went barreling into a shutdown without any prior planning, and is now shocked to find out that shit doesn’t just keep rolling ahead on sheer momentum. See also: Mark Meadows being shocked that SNAP funding doesn’t just get automatically renewed despite a gov’t shutdown.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:19:52pm

re: #415 jaunte

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It’s also (as I saw one pundit state earlier) basically Pelosi giving the White House the middle finger by only sending staffers rather than showing up in-person. Though, to be fair, the reports that Pence basically can’t negotiate a damned thing because Trump won’t allow him to makes these meetings a joke anyway.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:20:13pm

re: #415 jaunte

Alternative take: He is one heatbeat (or shiv) from the Presidency, and he expects to be in that seat before this is over.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:20:30pm

One reason Republicans can’t recognize America’s real enemies is that they don’t have the language to describe them. This is because they have co-opted terms like “extreme,” “radical” and “terrorist” to describe people like Clinton and Obama. Someone like, say, the Stalin Society of America can come along and they fail to notice it because all the linguistic niches are already occupied.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:20:54pm

This is so funny!!

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Teddy's Person  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:20:59pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

When the Obama admin took time to prepare for the ‘13 shutdown and closed down parks/rec areas, the GOP lost their fucking minds over what they viewed as punitive actions being taken to punish the public for the DNC’s refusal to “negotiate.”

By contrast, this admin went barreling into a shutdown without any prior planning, and is now shocked to find out that shit doesn’t just keep rolling ahead on sheer momentum. See also: Mark Meadows being shocked that SNAP funding doesn’t just get automatically renewed despite a gov’t shutdown.

And things weren’t exactly running like a well-oiled machine before the shutdown.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:21:10pm

I had a thought about taxes and wages: Can anyone actually earn more than $200/hr? And what I mean is in the sense that what they actually do, what they contribute to the economy in the sense of labor (and when I talk about labor I mean anything from physical labor like collecting garbage to more mental tasks like software development or management).

My belief is that there really is an upper bound to what a person should earn for what they contribute, and that any earnings after that can easily be subjected to significantly higher tax rates.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:24:16pm

re: #423 Belafon

I had a thought about taxes and wages: Can anyone actually earn more than $200/hr? And what I mean is in the sense that what they actually do, what they contribute to the economy in the sense of labor (and when I talk about labor I mean anything from physical labor like collecting garbage to more mental tasks like software development or management).

My belief is that there really is an upper bound to what a person should earn for what they contribute, and that any earnings after that can easily be subjected to significantly higher tax rates.

I suppose if you are a first-rate surgeon or lawyer you might be able to command those rates.

The management issue I’m not so sure about. Look at people like Marissa Mayer or Carly Fiorina.

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KGxvi  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:24:29pm

re: #318 The Vicious Babushka

I vaguely recall Reagan’s address after the Challenger explosion. Otherwise it would be the 1988 election - had a class project in the fourth grade that year, kept a scrap book of the election

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:24:32pm

What street is this?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:27:33pm
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nines09  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:28:02pm

Rather be lucky than good.
Rather be lucky AND good 2.0.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:28:41pm

Basically, what we’re seeing right now is what happens when you have a sociopath in charge of the gov’t. The most indicative sign of that was his response to a question about a safety net for furloughed employees being a “stronger border.” Not to mention the suggestions from his office as well as the unfunded agencies to have employees “negotiate” with their landlords or offer to do some work in exchange for missing payments.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:31:51pm

re: #406 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking of embroidery, I miss klys.

re: #410 A Mom Anon

as you may or may not know, klys and i are meeting up in Orlando later this week to do something completely Dopey

I will pass along good wishes from everyone

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:31:59pm

re: #426 Joe Bacon 🌹

What street is this?

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Puy-en-Velay, Auvergne, France.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:33:34pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:35:59pm

re: #430 dangerman (not steve)

as you may or may not know, klys and i are meeting up in Orlando later this week to do something completely Dopey

I will pass along good wishes from everyone

Including each of the updingers, or just the commenters?

/it’s all in the details

/packed yet?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:36:35pm

There is literally a Tweet for everything.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:37:06pm

re: #430 dangerman (not steve)

Thank you and good luck with the run! I wish I just had the time for that. My mom is 78 and started running last spring, I admire anyone that can run farther than the mailbox.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:37:33pm

re: #426 Joe Bacon 🌹

What street is this?

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google.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:39:15pm

re: #436 Anymouse 🌹

My Twitter- and Pintrest-foo is strong today. Cross-stitch, photographs of French streets …

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:40:10pm

re: #338 Anymouse 🌹

Congenital conservatism on display:

David Corn ✔
@DavidCornDC
Between @realDonaldTrump, @SHSanders45, and Mulvaney this weekend, it’s a calvacade of lies. A blizzard of lies. An orgy of lies. They cannot stop.

Yo’ David! You forgot Kirstjen Nielsen.

Probably others, but she spouted a lot of false numbers and accounts of all the problems on the border.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:40:36pm

re: #429 Targetpractice

Basically, what we’re seeing right now is what happens when you have a sociopath in charge of the gov’t. The most indicative sign of that was his response to a question about a safety net for furloughed employees being a “stronger border.” Not to mention the suggestions from his office as well as the unfunded agencies to have employees “negotiate” with their landlords or offer to do some work in exchange for missing payments.

ie get a second job

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:40:42pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:42:11pm

re: #440 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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And a boatload of lawsuits that will flood in the moment the courts are running again.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:43:47pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:44:10pm

re: #433 wrenchwench

Including each of the updingers, or just the commenters?

/it’s all in the details

/packed yet?

everyone
whether they want to be represented or not ;-)

…you were first

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:44:57pm

re: #436 Anymouse 🌹

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google.com

I thought maybe France or Quebec. THANKS!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:45:07pm

Going for only the early pics:

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:46:32pm

re: #441 Targetpractice

And a boatload of lawsuits that will flood in the moment the courts are running again.

That’s assuming conservatives have not decided to end both our court system and our democracy. At the moment, I’m not terribly sure about that.

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teleskiguy  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:47:12pm

Some music.

Lake Trout: Pill

Willing muscle, carve my way
With a smile across my face
Now it’s on TV
How things have got me down
The smoke print my bleed me
When I’ve been hollowed out
Hollowed out

I want a superhuman will
I want a better-than-average skill
I want a million-dollar bill
And I want it all

Some things don’t change
We want a holiday, a getaway
I want to be the one sitting in the sun
But that’s just not the way
We have to pay and pay the rest of our days

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Charles Johnson  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:48:20pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:48:36pm

re: #435 A Mom Anon

Thank you and good luck with the run! I wish I just had the time for that. My mom is 78 and started running last spring, I admire anyone that can run farther than the mailbox.

she must be tired…

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:49:20pm

re: #442 Belafon

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And the sign’s gotta be in English, because this is America and we only speak English!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:49:22pm

re: #445 Anymouse 🌹

Five of those pictures are of the same stadium, Mr. Woods.

Sad.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:49:59pm

re: #442 Belafon

I also suggest one of these on the Mexican side, to make sure the wall is effective

Won’t work—it’s not in Mexican.

(And the graphic is ripped off from the “Scaglieri Go Home ” movement of the early 1300’s.)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:50:07pm

re: #444 Joe Bacon 🌹

I thought maybe France or Quebec. THANKS!

You’re welcome, Mr. Bacon.

I gotta get a job or something.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:51:04pm

re: #424 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose if you are a first-rate surgeon or lawyer you might be able to command those rates.

The management issue I’m not so sure about. Look at people like Marissa Mayer or Carly Fiorina.

Reclassified as “Consultant Fees” after about $100hr.

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sagehen  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:53:04pm

re: #423 Belafon

I had a thought about taxes and wages: Can anyone actually earn more than $200/hr? And what I mean is in the sense that what they actually do, what they contribute to the economy in the sense of labor (and when I talk about labor I mean anything from physical labor like collecting garbage to more mental tasks like software development or management).

When I bought my first computer, I could produce the same amount of my work in 60 fewer hours per month (compared to when I used a typewriter). It took less than 3 months of increased production to cover the retail price I paid. If for the rest of that computer’s life the company that designed & built it had been entitled to 3 hours per month of my earnings, I’d still come out way ahead. And there’s 40 million Americans also bought that same computer. Yes, people can deserve more than $200/hr for the work that put that computer on my desk.

35 years ago I had this same argument with people who wondered does a basketball player really “earn” or “deserve” what Magic was going to be paid. The obvious answer — “how many more tickets can they sell with him than without him? How much more can they charge for those tickets? How much additional revenue does the team, and all the other players, get every year because he got them into the playoffs?”

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:56:28pm

Another bit that I’m reading is that the WH has again bumped up their demands, now from $5.6B to $5.7B. For people frequently bitching about “negotiations” and “compromise,” they seem to be thinking that if they just keep ratcheting up their demands, the DNC will have to give them more in the final “deal.”

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 6:57:43pm

re: #424 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose if you are a first-rate surgeon or lawyer you might be able to command those rates.

The management issue I’m not so sure about. Look at people like Marissa Mayer or Carly Fiorina.

The chain at my company goes:
Me
Manager
Manager
Director
VP
President/CEO

I definitely don’t see the skills set going up in such a way that the president makes a lot more than my manager. About the only reason they should make a lot more is if they have more risk for failing (which means I don’t believe in golden parachutes). The earnings for those positions should be asymptotic, especially since each level above my manager is really a manager of managers.

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teleskiguy  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:01:13pm

re: #458 Belafon

each level above my manager is really a manager of managers.

Um, yeah. Didn’t you get the memo about the cover sheets on the TPS reports?

Giphy

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:01:33pm

re: #346 Targetpractice

Ayep. If the DNC cave now, that’s pretty much it for their House majority. This is the line in the sand they’ve made, if they cross it then there will never be another time where they can convincingly say “This is about principles” without everybody (including liberals) screaming “BULLSHIT!” Why? Because Trump will have proven that if he holds his breath long enough, eventually Dems will cave because they always cave.

How far do you let it all go before everyone would be bitching at the Democrats to do something to save them?

Even at a cost. Because that happens to good people dealing with the bad.

Where does politics end and concern for real people take over?

It isn’t going to come from Trump. Everyone has said he is a psychopath. Can’t count on that to change.

So how do you have a standoff with a psychopath? Especially one enabled by his party for who knows for what reason.

I want the Democrats to stay strong. But I also fear that could come at a high cost that will only increase.

If McCain and radicals like the Freedom Caucus continue to be willing to let it burn, do you let it burn?

If it got crazy enough I would hope the courts take over and ask US Marshals or Secret Service to intervene. What is really doable? I don’t know.

If it goes far enough some very drastic stuff is going to have to happen.

Democrats will have to do something and they will get blamed for a lot of it, as they always do.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:03:47pm

re: #455 sagehen

I definitely agree that wages haven’t increased properly over the past 40 years, and the disconnect between wages and productivity is a cause. At the same time, if it makes you more productive, doesn’t that just mean there’s less you’re needing to contribute for transaction? For example: Is the guy who operates a backhoe actually contributing the labor of 10 or 20 people with shovels (or 1000 people with spoons), or is he contributing the labor of one person better?

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:03:50pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:04:25pm

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:08:38pm

This diary makes a good point about Trump’s declaring a state of emergency: Truman already lost that case and we were actually in a war in Korea.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:08:38pm

re: #460 ObserverArt

How far do you let it all go before everyone would be bitching at the Democrats to do something to save them? (rest cut)

And if the Democrats do cave, this will just happen again, and we will have traded the principle of “no racist wall for any price” for nothing.

The best we can do is make sure we get our message out. If the press is going to cover it with a magic balance fairy, then it might require taking out adverts and paying for them to get the message out.

If the GOP is actually going to just dig in, we already have a dictatorship.

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:09:43pm

re: #460 ObserverArt

How far do you let it all go before everyone would be bitching at the Democrats to do something to save them?

Even at a cost. Because that happens to good people dealing with the bad.

Where does politics end and concern for real people take over?

It isn’t going to come from Trump. Everyone has said he is a psychopath. Can’t count on that to change.

So how do you have a standoff with a psychopath? Especially one enabled by his party for who knows for what reason.

I want the Democrats to stay strong. But I also fear that could come at a high cost that will only increase.

If McCain and radicals like the Freedom Caucus continue to be willing to let it burn, do you let it burn?

If it got crazy enough I would hope the courts take over and ask US Marshals or Secret Service to intervene. What is really doable? I don’t know.

If it goes far enough some very drastic stuff is going to have to happen.

Democrats will have to do something and they will get blamed for a lot of it, as they always do.

What stops the Freedom Caucus from starting future fires? They’ve proven that the DNC will do anything to put the flames out if enough damage is done, so why would they hesitate if it gets them what they want in the end? Trump’s not going to stop at demands for $5B, he’s going to demand more and he’s going to start further fires to make it happen. Next time, it won’t be federal employees going without paychecks, it’ll be the nation defaulting on its debt and the economic holocaust that results from that. If the GOP think that the DNC will cave before they allow that to happen, do you think they’ll hesitate to demand more wall funding and threaten a default unless they get it?

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stpaulbear  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:09:53pm

re: #460 ObserverArt

How far do you let it all go before everyone would be bitching at the Democrats to do something to save them?

Even at a cost. Because that happens to good people dealing with the bad.

Where does politics end and concern for real people take over?

It isn’t going to come from Trump. Everyone has said he is a psychopath. Can’t count on that to change.

So how do you have a standoff with a psychopath? Especially one enabled by his party for who knows for what reason.

I want the Democrats to stay strong. But I also fear that could come at a high cost that will only increase.

If McCain and radicals like the Freedom Caucus continue to be willing to let it burn, do you let it burn?

If it got crazy enough I would hope the courts take over and ask US Marshals or Secret Service to intervene. What is really doable? I don’t know.

If it goes far enough some very drastic stuff is going to have to happen.

Democrats will have to do something and they will get blamed for a lot of it, as they always do.

How about we make those demands and place that blame on McConnell? Pelosi is sending the senate bills that they’d already passed with a veto-proof majority last session.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:12:44pm

re: #364 Backwoods_Sleuth

AM Joy w/Joy Reid ✔

@amjoyshow
States Most Impacted By Shutdown #AMJoy

10:13 AM - Jan 6, 2019

Think any of those Trump states are going to learn anything in all of this?

Oh hell, what am I asking?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:13:36pm

re: #468 ObserverArt

Think any of those Trump states are going to learn anything in all of this?

Oh hell, what am I asking?

Iowa did replace three of it’s four GOP reps with Democrats.

Edit: I realize Iowa isn’t one of those states, but some of those others might learn.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:15:57pm

re: #469 Belafon

Edited. Reload.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:16:49pm

re: #463 Patricia Kayden

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when it’s better for everyone, it’s better for everyone. - eleanor roosevelt

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:19:43pm

re: #466 Targetpractice

What stops the Freedom Caucus from starting future fires? They’ve proven that the DNC will do anything to put the flames out if enough damage is done, so why would they hesitate if it gets them what they want in the end? Trump’s not going to stop at demands for $5B, he’s going to demand more and he’s going to start further fires to make it happen. Next time, it won’t be federal employees going without paychecks, it’ll be the nation defaulting on its debt and the economic holocaust that results from that. If the GOP think that the DNC will cave before they allow that to happen, do you think they’ll hesitate to demand more wall funding and threaten a default unless they get it?

The 2011 debt crisis triggered by the Tea Party caucus and threat of a government shutdown caused a downgrade of US debt by S&P.

The fiscal conservatives have already gone to that well. They’ll do it again.

Do not negotiate with terrorists.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:22:52pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:25:39pm

re: #472 Anymouse 🌹

The 2011 debt crisis triggered by the Tea Party caucus and threat of a government shutdown caused a downgrade of US debt by S&P.

The fiscal conservatives have already gone to that well. They’ll do it again.

Do not negotiate with terrorists.

It’s definitely something shouldn’t do. But, what happens when air traffic controllers start taking sick days and two planes get too close?

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Targetpractice  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:26:25pm

One thing we should not be doing is discussing this in terms of “How far can the Dems let things go before they bend?,” because once you start on that road then the endpoint is capitulation and further extortion.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:26:28pm

re: #421 MsJ

This is so funny!!

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Great Kitty Komedy.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:28:12pm

Our Paradise CA refugee left for home today, finally allowed back into the neighborhood, just in time for the rains to screw things up.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:30:05pm

re: #2 Belafon

F Bomb
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:30:40pm

re: #474 Belafon

It’s definitely something shouldn’t do. But, what happens when air traffic controllers start taking sick days and two planes get too close?

At the point which transport or other services required by the owners of the Republican Party impacts their profit or business in a significant way, they will threaten to pull the plug on their party.

If the GOP has decided to go all-in on dictatorship and one-party rule and even tell their backers to take a hike, that brings up a different political dynamic, no possible outcomes of which I can see as good.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:32:33pm

re: #475 Targetpractice

One thing we should not be doing is discussing this in terms of “How far can the Dems let things go before they bend?,” because once you start on that road then the endpoint is capitulation and further extortion.

Yup. At that point you’re only negotiating the size of the ransom.

This entire crisis was created by Trump and backed by the GOP. There is no reason we should give in to their demands.

One could argue all the shutdowns perpetrated by the GOP over the last couple of decades were prompted by giving in with the previous crisis they created.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:33:37pm

Look at this fuckin eedjit==>

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:36:12pm

re: #460 ObserverArt

How far do you let it all go before everyone would be bitching at the Democrats to do something to save them?

Even at a cost. Because that happens to good people dealing with the bad.

Where does politics end and concern for real people take over?

It isn’t going to come from Trump. Everyone has said he is a psychopath. Can’t count on that to change.

So how do you have a standoff with a psychopath? Especially one enabled by his party for who knows for what reason.

I want the Democrats to stay strong. But I also fear that could come at a high cost that will only increase.

If McCain and radicals like the Freedom Caucus continue to be willing to let it burn, do you let it burn?

If it got crazy enough I would hope the courts take over and ask US Marshals or Secret Service to intervene. What is really doable? I don’t know.

If it goes far enough some very drastic stuff is going to have to happen.

Democrats will have to do something and they will get blamed for a lot of it, as they always do.

Grrr. I meant McConnell. Getting tired from a day of entering data in a web store. I hate boring work that you really have to pay attention to. 3 long days of it and I am wiped.

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teleskiguy  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:38:24pm

I have two more shifts then I get two days off from working at the ski area, first time since the solstice. The holiday busy part of the season is officially over. I’m taking a ski break tomorrow, it might be a couple of hours.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:38:51pm

re: #481 The Vicious Babushka

And those responding as well.

Nikki Haley’s heritage is not Native American, and Omarosa and Haley do not work for Trump any more.

1+1+1-1-1=1. Wow, diversity.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:39:46pm

re: #473 Anymouse 🌹

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I like that idea. If Mitch wants to stall, let’s fucking stall.

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:39:58pm

Heh.

Translation: Thief tried to steal the phone from the fighter #UFC, Polyana Viana (@polyanaviana) in the streets of Brazil. So was his face after the beating he received from the “Lady of Ferro.” #mma #mmafighter #brasil #polyanaviana #damadeferro

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:40:51pm

re: #473 Anymouse 🌹

I understand that if we get a filibuster proof majority, it means the Senate can’t pass anything, but that doesn’t really mean much if the House isn’t going to pass any of that anyway.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:41:56pm

re: #475 Targetpractice

One thing we should not be doing is discussing this in terms of “How far can the Dems let things go before they bend?,” because once you start on that road then the endpoint is capitulation and further extortion.

Which is why some in the media want to bring it up.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:43:08pm

re: #487 Belafon

I understand that if we get a filibuster proof majority, it means the Senate can’t pass anything, but that doesn’t really mean much if the House isn’t going to pass any of that anyway.

Why wouldn’t the House pass any of those bills?

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:43:33pm

re: #486 MsJ

Heh.

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Translation: Thief tried to steal the phone from the fighter #UFC, Polyana Viana (@polyanaviana) in the streets of Brazil. So was his face after the beating he received from the “Lady of Ferro.” #mma #mmafighter #brasil #polyanaviana #damadeferro

That was a very effective use of her guns.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:45:06pm

re: #465 Anymouse 🌹

re: #466 Targetpractice

I think my point isn’t coming across. I am trying to talk about the reality of holding the fort and watching the fort burn while you hold it.

I am trying to say it is easy to say hold the fort in a political forum. You must have missed where I said that I want the Democrats to stay strong.

But what do you do when that is not enough?

There are certain political outcomes I don’t want to mention/discuss. But I tried to cover that by hint.

So I give up. It is getting into a touchy realm.

And I am tired. So, I will continue to read for a bit.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:46:19pm
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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:46:35pm

re: #486 MsJ

Heh.

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Translation: Thief tried to steal the phone from the fighter #UFC, Polyana Viana (@polyanaviana) in the streets of Brazil. So was his face after the beating he received from the “Lady of Ferro.” #mma #mmafighter #brasil #polyanaviana #damadeferro

Ferro = Iron.

Dude looks like got beat with a steel bar, for sure.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:47:46pm

re: #486 MsJ

Heh.

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Translation: Thief tried to steal the phone from the fighter #UFC, Polyana Viana (@polyanaviana) in the streets of Brazil. So was his face after the beating he received from the “Lady of Ferro.” #mma #mmafighter #brasil #polyanaviana #damadeferro

According to the online reports, he had a piece of cardboard shaped like a gun. After the punches and choke hold, he was asking for the police.

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Interesting Times  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:50:52pm

re: #494 Belafon

According to the online reports, he had a piece of cardboard shaped like a gun. After the punches and choke hold, he was asking for the police.

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a fake gun is a good girl with real ones.

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TedStriker  Jan 6, 2019 • 7:55:08pm

Charles, I’m having issues (and have been having issues) uploading pics; in Chrome, it hasn’t given me confirmation that pics haves been uploaded for months, even though they did and showed in my gallery. That was up until 2-3 weeks ago, when I just haven’t been able to upload any pics through Chrome; again, no confirmation, but also no errors, it just stays on the “uploading” dialog and then nothing new shows in the gallery. These problems, I’ve had at home and at work on separate machines and separate Chrome installs.

I tried just now to upload a 3.8 MB GIF in both Chrome and Edge and it failed in both; in Chrome, it did as I wrote above, but, in Edge, it gave me this error:

{“success”:false,”errorMsg”:”Maximum file size exceeded (500K for PNG or GIF).”}

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:00:51pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:02:52pm

re: #492 jaunte

Trump is trying to get his Reichstag Fire. Crap like this makes airlines or airports really tempting targets - and it wouldn’t have to be some foreign terrorist, it could be our own right-wing terrorists.

The NSGOP is doing everything they can to enable him, and they’ll even give him his Enabling Act.

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makeitstop  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:03:17pm

re: #496 TedStriker

Charles, I’m having issues (and have been having issues) uploading pics; in Chrome, it hasn’t given me confirmation that pics haves been uploaded for months, even though they did and showed in my gallery. That was up until 2-3 weeks ago, when I just haven’t been able to upload any pics through Chrome; again, no confirmation, but also no errors, it just stays on the “uploading” dialog and then nothing new shows in the gallery. These problems, I’ve had at home and at work on separate machines and separate Chrome installs.

I tried just now to upload a 3.8 MB GIF in both Chrome and Edge and it failed in both; in Chrome, it did as I wrote above, but, in Edge, it gave me this error:

{“success”:false,”errorMsg”:”Maximum file size exceeded (500K for PNG or GIF).”}

I think Charles said his image resizer only works with JPGs,

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retired cynic  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:06:54pm

re: #388 Hecuba’s daughter

My father — political eccentric that he was — was a devout supporter of Stevenson. I really wasn’t aware of anything at that time about politics. That was something I learned years later.

My dad served under Eisenhower, and worshipped him. My mom was a strong Democrat and really supported Stevenson. I don’t remember being really one way or the other (4 years old) but tended to support mom.

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teleskiguy  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:09:35pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:11:10pm

re: #295 Charles Johnson

And, for the other take:

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:11:20pm

re: #429 Targetpractice

Or that he keeps referring to it as a “strike.”

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:12:42pm

re: #503 Ace Rothstein

Or that he keeps referring to it as a “strike.”

Once “strike” is accepted, firing is next. Think ATC and Reagan.

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:14:44pm

re: #501 teleskiguy

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While it’s not an answer to Cooper, it is an answer to the question Democrats ask. Guess what? Democrats find ways to pay their bills. That’s the tax part of tax-and-spend. The ACA was paid for. The only time it wasn’t was the law to get us out of the recession, which is what needed to be done at the time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:16:46pm

re: #491 ObserverArt

I think my point isn’t coming across. I am trying to talk about the reality of holding the fort and watching the fort burn while you hold it.

I am trying to say it is easy to say hold the fort in a political forum. You must have missed where I said that I want the Democrats to stay strong.

But what do you do when that is not enough?

There are certain political outcomes I don’t want to mention/discuss. But I tried to cover that by hint.

So I give up. It is getting into a touchy realm.

And I am tired. So, I will continue to read for a bit.

Is this the point you are making: If the other side really doesn’t care about the harm being done to the country and will allow the country to remain shutdown forever, do you cave in to ameliorate the situation for the 100,000’s of federal workers that are currently receiving no pay? Do you compromise to stop the destruction of this country?

OTOH: Will the compromise actually lead to this destruction?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:18:31pm

re: #506 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this the point you are making: If the other side really doesn’t care about the harm being done to the country and will allow the country to remain shutdown forever, do you cave in to ameliorate the situation for the 100,000’s of federal workers that are currently receiving no pay? Do you compromise to stop the destruction of this country?

OTOH: Will the compromise actually lead to this destruction?

By that time, I hope we the people shut the damn country down and take it back from these assholes. I have a feeling it’s going to be time to take to the streets en mass very soon.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:20:34pm

re: #504 MsJ

Once “strike” is accepted, firing is next. Think ATC and Reagan.

The GOP wants to privatize everything and destroy the government. They welcome what Trump is doing — or at least they are not willing to do anything to impede him, at least when it comes to domestic policy.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:21:36pm

re: #506 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this the point you are making: If the other side really doesn’t care about the harm being done to the country and will allow the country to remain shutdown forever, do you cave in to ameliorate the situation for the 100,000’s of federal workers that are currently receiving no pay? Do you compromise to stop the destruction of this country?

OTOH: Will the compromise actually lead to this destruction?

The GOP doesn’t care about federal employees. But when millions of voters get angry about not being able to get their tax refunds, they will fold.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:22:48pm

re: #481 The Vicious Babushka

Trump’s words and actions are racist. There’s no debate about that. He has demonstrated his bigotry multiple times. Good on AOC for saying the obvious. All Democrats should be saying the same.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:23:12pm

re: #506 Hecuba’s daughter

Is this the point you are making: If the other side really doesn’t care about the harm being done to the country and will allow the country to remain shutdown forever, do you cave in to ameliorate the situation for the 100,000’s of federal workers that are currently receiving no pay? Do you compromise to stop the destruction of this country?

OTOH: Will the compromise actually lead to this destruction?

That is it in general. And then add in what is anyone prepared to do if it gets really out of control?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:24:01pm

re: #510 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP doesn’t care about federal employees. But when millions of voters get angry about not being able to get their tax refunds, they will fold.

No. They’ll blame Democrats for not giving Trump the wall.

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:24:17pm
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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:24:25pm

re: #498 Anymouse 🌹

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Belafon  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:26:01pm
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:28:10pm

re: #514 jaunte

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Has DimJim asked Rafael Ted Cruz what he thinks of this disgrace?

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jaunte  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:30:35pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:32:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:36:38pm

re: #505 Belafon

While it’s not an answer to Cooper, it is an answer to the question Democrats ask. Guess what? Democrats find ways to pay their bills. That’s the tax part of tax-and-spend. The ACA was paid for. The only time it wasn’t was the law to get us out of the recession, which is what needed to be done at the time.

And such laws as TARP were passed at the end of the Bush Administration.

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ObserverArt  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:39:54pm

re: #513 GlutenFreeJesus

No. They’ll blame Democrats for not giving Trump the wall.

And why? Because it’s always the Democrats that (fold) help out in the long run so they come to expect the saving but will still blame them for letting it get out of control.

And what is the reason for their anger with the Dems?

They didn’t (fold) help earlier.

Listen to the media. We have an example right above. Anderson Cooper and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Cooper can’t even breach the Department of Defense budget. That is unquestionable.

I heard two comments today on local political programs (NBC 4 and CBS 10 local).

And what did they say? Oh gee, now that we have a Democratic House we are already seeing they can’t work together. No compromise. We are sick of it. Bad Democrats.

We really need that media to turn on Trump. That would help…maybe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:41:09pm

re: #518 jaunte

“Elitist bartender.”

They really are desperate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:41:19pm

re: #514 jaunte

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MsJ  Jan 6, 2019 • 8:52:40pm

re: #521 ObserverArt

And why? Because it’s always the Democrats that (fold) help out in the long run so they come to expect the saving but will still blame them for letting it get out of control.

And what is the reason for their anger with the Dems?

They didn’t (fold) help earlier.

Listen to the media. We have an example right above. Anderson Cooper and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Cooper can’t even breach the Department of Defense budget. That is unquestionable.

I heard two comments today on local political programs (NBC 4 and CBS 10 local).

And what did they say? Oh gee, now that we have a Democratic House we are already seeing they can’t work together. No compromise. We are sick of it. Bad Democrats.

We really need that media to turn on Trump. That would help…maybe.

Is take honest takes from the media. But they fear being called liberal so that’s not likely to happen.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 6, 2019 • 9:25:42pm

re: #516 Belafon

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Ya think?!? I get so frustrated and angry with people who shit all over transgender folks. It’s despicable and puts them through a hell that they don’t need.


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