Is Trump About to Try to Perpetrate His Fake “National Emergency?”

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Our raging Narcissist in Chief has shut down the government over his demand for 5.7 billion dollars to pay for the xenophobic fantasy wall he promised hundreds of times Mexico would pay for, and he’s now been talking openly about declaring a “national emergency” (when there is no emergency) and using the military to seize land on the border.

From vice-crony Mike Pence today:

And now Trump is announcing an address to the nation tomorrow night:

Is this when he’ll announce his fake emergency and provoke a full-on constitutional crisis? At this point, he has nothing to lose and nobody to talk him out of it. And by doing this he’d immediately cause a massive amount of chaos, his traditional modus operandi.

Maybe this is just his heavy-handed way of trying to scare the Democrats into giving him what he wants. Or maybe we’re about to see things escalate into a whole new level of bad craziness.

And if you’re wondering how crazy this could get, here’s something to read: What Can a President Do During a State of Emergency?

The answer isn’t reassuring.

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421 comments

1
Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:38:54pm

Perfectly CL’d, but it fits here too well:

Was hoping the US might avoid all that “2nd Republic”, “3rd Republic” shit.

2
Interesting Times  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:40:39pm

Fact check: TRUE

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:41:07pm

Well yeah, guys, but imagine how much worse it would be if we’d elected Hillary!

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:44:24pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Well yeah, guys, but imagine how much worse it would be if we’d elected Hillary!

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There are people who don’t want taco trucks on every corner.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:44:32pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:46:17pm

Why did the Roman Empire fall?
0 Lead in the drinking water
0 Exhaustion of the silver money supply
0 Christianity
0 Demograpic displacement

Why did the American Republic Fall?
0 For the lulz

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:46:27pm

Zuckerberg is a fucking psychopath.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:49:10pm

From the last thread:

re: #405 ObserverArt

All of us that are not in New York, Florida or California get passed over as “fly-over country.”

Some of us even get called hillbillies.

There are arrogant assholes everywhere. Fuck ‘em!

Yup. Though we don’t get called hillbillies here.

re: #401 Jay C

So I’m sure the Admin will claim that this *proves* the need for The Wall, since if they only stopped 6 “terrorists”, it means that the other 3,994 got away…..

Lots of conservaderp in that thread is making precisely that claim.

Well, if they caught six, how many more got past HEENGHHH???

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:52:05pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:52:34pm

This “national emergency” nonsense does concern me.

Every other autocratic regime could not implement their ideas by themselves. They depended on local people to enforce it.

I don’t feel as though I’m sitting in a very good position here, having just lost a reëlection to a neo-Nazi adjacent write-in candidate.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:54:34pm

re: #10 Anymouse 🌹

This “national emergency” nonsense does concern me.

Every other autocratic regime could not implement their ideas by themselves. They depended on local people to enforce it.

I don’t feel as though I’m sitting in a very good position here, having just lost a reëlection to a neo-Nazi adjacent write-in candidate.

There were a lot of old people in the safe 1950s and ’60s who kept a packed suitcase under their beds.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:55:35pm

Kaitlyn Bennet’s GoFundMe is still solidly at zero.

It has recently come to my attention that Katelylin Bennett, the famed Gun and Diaper Girl of Kent State, has no furniture in her home. She has sacrificed so much defending the rights of guns in this great nation, it is only fair that she come home to a well-furnished sanctuary. If her comfort is not enough reason for you to donate, consider the gratitude of her guns, whomst would discover an invigorated sense of purpose in having actual property to defend. If you hate the Second Amendment and love cultural Marxism, perhaps this campaign is not for you. But if you are one of the millions of hard-working, patriotic Americans who may even personally know what it is like to have no money left for basic necessities after budgeting for guns and ammo and hairspray, this may well be the latest and greatest opportunity for you to own the libs. Just think of how mad this will make them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:56:22pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

There were a lot of old people in the safe 1950s and ’60s who kept a packed suitcase under their beds.

We’ve had one since I lost my reëlection. Passports are in the car.

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:56:37pm

re: #7 MsJ

The hospital is San Fran General. Zuckerberg donated money so they named it after him.

He’s still a sociopath, but for entirely different reasons.

The hospital engages in unconscionable acts that are all about maximizing costs to patients.

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lawhawk  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:57:13pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

She should sell her big screen tv… /

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:57:23pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹

We’ve had one since I lost my reëlection. Passports are in the car.

Passports should no be left in your car. They’re much more vulnerable there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:59:27pm

re: #16 MsJ

Passports should no be left in your car. They’re much more vulnerable there.

They’d have to find them. I suppose someone could steal my car though.

It might be better to put them in the suitcase.

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2019 • 1:59:39pm

re: #16 MsJ

Passports should no be left in your car. They’re much more vulnerable there.

*nods* Ones passport should be in ones GOOD bag. And ones ID on ones person unless counterindicated.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:01:40pm

Meanwhile, the high winds are starting here now.

weather.gov (Cheyenne, Wyo. NWS)

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:05:48pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

They’d have to find them. I suppose someone could steal my car though.

It might be better to put them in the suitcase.

If your car gets struck by lightning, and a fire starts, poof…bye bye passports. If you’re in an accident and unable to ask someone to get your passports they’re there for the taking.

Just saying.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:06:35pm

On a semi-pleasant note, I took Daughter2 and son to the airport this morning for their new home/job/school in Denver. We won’t see them as much, but they’ll have a good life there.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:07:16pm
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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:08:07pm

re: #19 Anymouse 🌹

Meanwhile, the high winds are starting here now.

weather.gov (Cheyenne, Wyo. NWS)

This was my house all day. They lied. Those windsocks should have displayed all damn day from 9:00 on. It’s still blowing like crazy. The dogs are going ape shit barking like there’s no tomorrow. Hell, maybe there won’t be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:08:41pm

re: #20 MsJ

If your car gets struck by lightning, and a fire starts, poof…bye bye passports. If you’re in an accident and unable to ask someone to get your passports they’re there for the taking.

Just saying.

True enough. I suppose you could say the same about my house being struck by lightning, but then if they are packed away in the GOOD bag, that goes out the door with us.

Breaking into my house isn’t a really good idea for anyone … there are more guns than people in this town, and even the leftiest leftie who ever lefted here has one.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:11:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:12:27pm
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Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:12:59pm

re: #22 Patricia Kayden

The news media knows this already, and they don’t care.

Money to be made.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:13:45pm

re: #5 MsJ

Democrats will immediately sue Trump is he tries to declare a national emergency to build his wall

and with the DOJ closed, who’s gonna defend it for the admin?

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:14:14pm

Have the broadcast networks decided on whether they’ll air the address? Or is this going to end up being a cable news only thing?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:16:14pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Kaitlyn Bennet’s GoFundMe is still solidly at zero.

it is only fair that she come home to a well-furnished sanctuary

fair?

wtf is ‘fair’?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:16:59pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:17:10pm

re: #15 lawhawk

She should sell her big screen tv… /

or maybe one of those guns…

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:17:12pm

re: #28 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

and with the DOJ closed, who’s gonna defend it for the admin?

More importantly, the federal Courts only have enough money to stay open through the end of this week.

The system has enough money left over from fees and other sources to run through Jan. 11, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts, which supports the judiciary. After that, nonessential workers at the 94 federal district courts, and at higher courts across the country, may have to stay home even as skeleton crews show up — without pay — to handle matters deemed essential under U.S. law, including many criminal cases.

That, to use very specific legal jargon, is incredibly fucked up.

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:17:17pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

True enough. I suppose you could say the same about my house being struck by lightning, but then if they are packed away in the GOOD bag, that goes out the door with us.

Breaking into my house isn’t a really good idea for anyone … there are more guns than people in this town, and even the leftiest leftie who ever lefted here has one.

That’s a thing which irks me to no end with them wingnuts, that they believe us “lefties” somehow hate guns, while the truth is that a significant number of us do own firearms, and even those of us (like me) who don’t aren’t firearms illiterate, we simply don’t see the need to own one (or more) in the situation we’re currently in, like our mouth and various household implements suffice.
Just my €.02.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:17:55pm

re: #28 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

and with the DOJ closed, who’s gonna defend it for the admin?

If he pulls that “Moon Over Parador” crap, we’re well beyond a court order.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:18:29pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

The news media knows this already, and they don’t care.

Money to be made.

They cared in 2011 when President Obama wanted to make a speech about immigration law. Every last network declared it a political issue and refused to air it.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:19:03pm

re: #27 Romantic Heretic

The news media knows this already, and they don’t care.

Money to be made.

That’s why I said don’t watch. Don’t give them ratings. Fuck em. I’ll be here reading and in Twitter. No ratings from me.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:19:08pm

So here we are, actually discussing the Republican president* potentially announcing a faux “national emergency” for the purposes of mobilizing the military as his own personal goon squad. And not is the best we can hope for in such a scenario the courts smacking his hand, but the GOP is absolutely fucking silent on the matter.

No outrage from Republicans over what is a transparent attempt to utilize military force as a means of getting what he can’t get legitimately.

No calls from Republicans for the White House to reconsider such.

No Republicans threatening to join their Dem colleagues in suing the White House in the event that they go through with this.

No Republicans even expressing “concern” over such a move.

Whether it’s because they hope this will give him an “out” to reopen the gov’t or because they actively support such a move, either way we have a political party in this country that is okay with the imposition of an authoritarian dictatorship that serves their own ends. Even if the courts do smack him down, the precedent being set is absolutely fucking nightmarish.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:25:09pm

I bet he has charts…….

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:25:36pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

So here we are, actually discussing the Republican president* potentially announcing a faux “national emergency” for the purposes of mobilizing the military as his own personal goon squad. And not is the best we can hope for in such a scenario the courts smacking his hand, but the GOP is absolutely fucking silent on the matter.

No outrage from Republicans over what is a transparent attempt to utilize military force as a means of getting what he can’t get legitimately.

No calls from Republicans for the White House to reconsider such.

No Republicans threatening to join their Dem colleagues in suing the White House in the event that they go through with this.

No Republicans even expressing “concern” over such a move.

Whether it’s because they hope this will give him an “out” to reopen the gov’t or because they actively support such a move, either way we have a political party in this country that is okay with the imposition of an authoritarian dictatorship that serves their own ends. Even if the courts do smack him down, the precedent being set is absolutely fucking nightmarish.

add:
no republican has realized (well said outloud) if he were to be able to go through with this he’s made them and their jobs irrelevant.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:27:56pm

re: #34 Teukka

That’s a thing which irks me to no end with them wingnuts, that they believe us “lefties” somehow hate guns, while the truth is that a significant number of us do own firearms, and even those of us (like me) who don’t aren’t firearms illiterate, we simply don’t see the need to own one (or more) in the situation we’re currently in, like our mouth and various household implements suffice.
Just my €.02.

We have one, a shotgun. My wife at one time owned a .38, but sold it to a firearms dealer when her balance went bad. She felt she could no longer safely handle it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:31:37pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:34:03pm

Trump’s Approval: Now and at the Beginning of His Term

he has lost ground in every state

a high in NM of -36
a low in SD of -6

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Old Liberal  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:36:13pm

In a just world, tomorrow Mueller would file indictments against Mobster Jr, Jared, Stone, Corsi et al. Change the entire calculus. Surely Mueller sees the threat. I hope he acts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:37:16pm

Marcy Wheeler goes after the bullshite list of allegedly defamatory statements on Wikileaks, including articles she herself wrote which Wikileaks also addressed in that letter as defamatory.

emptywheel.net

The article includes a link to the “updated” list of defamatory statements (which leaked from Wikileaks).

Update: WikiLeaks has released a revised version that takes out, among other things, the Ambassador claim, the Seth Rich claims, and also a denial that it is close to Russia.

That last phrase is interesting.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:39:13pm

I’ll just watch something on Netflix during his lie-filled, propaganda speech.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:40:46pm

re: #44 Old Liberal

In a just world, tomorrow Mueller would file indictments against Mobster Jr, Jared, Stone, Corsi et al. Change the entire calculus. Surely Mueller sees the threat. I hope he acts.

Filing an indictment won’t slow anything down.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:41:05pm

re: #43 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Trump’s Approval: Now and at the Beginning of His Term

he has lost ground in every state

a high in NM of -36
a low in SD of -6

He’s lost 15 points according to the Website in Nebraska, which means a majority still support him, but now it’s within the margin of error for the polling. 4% are on the fence about him here.

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:41:06pm

re: #43 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Trump’s Approval: Now and at the Beginning of His Term

he has lost ground in every state

a high in NM of -36
a low in SD of -6

In the states where he’s got a net positive approval rating, that’s good for 159 electoral votes, 96 of which come from states where his approval is still over 50%.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:41:32pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

So here we are, actually discussing the Republican president* potentially announcing a faux “national emergency” for the purposes of mobilizing the military as his own personal goon squad. And not is the best we can hope for in such a scenario the courts smacking his hand, but the GOP is absolutely fucking silent on the matter.

No outrage from Republicans over what is a transparent attempt to utilize military force as a means of getting what he can’t get legitimately.

No calls from Republicans for the White House to reconsider such.

No Republicans threatening to join their Dem colleagues in suing the White House in the event that they go through with this.

No Republicans even expressing “concern” over such a move.

Whether it’s because they hope this will give him an “out” to reopen the gov’t or because they actively support such a move, either way we have a political party in this country that is okay with the imposition of an authoritarian dictatorship that serves their own ends. Even if the courts do smack him down, the precedent being set is absolutely fucking nightmarish.

On Nicole Wallace’s MSNBC show reporter Robert Costa said there are rumblings building in some of the more moderate Republicans. At least I think it was him. I was looking at stuff I am working on and listening.

I believe he mentioned New York Rep Peter King was the one that told him that little bit of info about the shutdown and the immigration stuff was beginning to hurt them.

Hopefully there are enough of them ready to join in helping Democrats and they put heat on McConnell to go over Trump.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:43:46pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

On Nicole Wallace’s MSNBC show reporter Robert Costa said there are rumblings building in some of the more moderate Republicans. At least I think was him. I was looking at stuff I am working on and listening.

I believe he mentioned New York Rep Peter King was the one that told him that little bit of info about the shutdown and the immigration stuff was beginning to hurt them.

Hopefully there are enough of them ready to join in helping Democrats and they put heat on McConnell to go over Trump.

I’m firmly in the “I’ll believe it when I see it” ranks these days. The GOP may grouse a good bit behind closed doors, but that’s no different than the Nazis who privately disagreed with Hitler while publicly obeying his orders. Unless you’re prepared to face the consequence for speaking out, then you’re no different than the true believers.

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:45:23pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

On Nicole Wallace’s MSNBC show reporter Robert Costa said there are rumblings building in some of the more moderate Republicans. At least I think was him. I was looking at stuff I am working on and listening.

I believe he mentioned New York Rep Peter King was the one that told him that little bit of info about the shutdown and the immigration stuff was beginning to hurt them.

Hopefully there are enough of them ready to join in helping Democrats and they put heat on McConnell to go over Trump.

I can’t remember if King is a crazy or not. He’s been fairly crazy on some stuff, right? And he’s apparently on the intelligence committee, meaning he signed off on releasing the Nunes memo…

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steve_davis  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:46:10pm

re: #6 Decatur Deb

Why did the Roman Empire fall?
0 Lead in the drinking water
0 Exhaustion of the silver money supply
0 Christianity
0 Demograpic displacement

Why did the American Republic Fall?
0 For the lulz

on that note, one of the ways historians have deduced that the Romans were mostly all lead-poisoned is by studying their diets. They apparently had a fish sauce that was so strong no modern person would think it was anything other than rancid. Because lead-poisoning had mostly destroyed the populace’s ability to taste, it took a fish sauce of that strength for anyone to actually taste the food.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:46:17pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

On Nicole Wallace’s MSNBC show reporter Robert Costa said there are rumblings building in some of the more moderate Republicans. At least I think it was him. I was looking at stuff I am working on and listening.

I believe he mentioned New York Rep Peter King was the one that told him that little bit of info about the shutdown and the immigration stuff was beginning to hurt them.

Hopefully there are enough of them ready to join in helping Democrats and they put heat on McConnell to go over Trump.

I hope we have learned our lesson by now that relying on any Republicans to do anything right, ever, is just not going to happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:46:59pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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on the same subject, Tlaib is getting a lot of flack demanding an apology for this tweet, which is being called anti-semitic:

I can’t help but notice that Bernie is not being deluged with the same demand for saying the same thing.

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Old Liberal  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:48:07pm

re: #47 Belafon

Filing an indictment won’t slow anything down.

It will change the entire news cycle and political calculus. When it happens. Which I hope is tomorrow.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:48:14pm
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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:52:59pm

re: #44 Old Liberal

In a just world, tomorrow Mueller would file indictments against Mobster Jr, Jared, Stone, Corsi et al. Change the entire calculus. Surely Mueller sees the threat. I hope he acts.

I’m thinking something like that is coming any day and that’s what this … whatever the fuck is going on right now … it’s trying to counter. Call a national emergency to stop the in indictments of his family members.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:53:02pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

on the same subject, Tlaib is getting a lot of flack demanding an apology for this tweet, which is being called anti-semitic:

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I can’t help but notice that Bernie is not being deluged with the same demand for saying the same thing.

I don’t see anything anti Semitic about that. I disagree with the BDS movement but people have a right to boycott.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:54:06pm

The fear I expressed yesterday that Trump would use Article 2 Section 3 to adjourn the House after McConnell adjourns the Senate sine die is still giving me the shivers

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:54:43pm

re: #43 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Trump’s Approval: Now and at the Beginning of His Term

he has lost ground in every state

a high in NM of -36
a low in SD of -6

More fun facts about this:

If you treat his approval rating as his share of the vote in a potential election, the states where his disapproval is over 50% is enough to give the Democratic nominee the Electoral College (with 19 EVs to spare!). If you factor in states where he’s underwater but his disapproval is under 50%, the Democratic nominee gets to 375.

Map here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:57:33pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

on the same subject, Tlaib is getting a lot of flack demanding an apology for this tweet, which is being called anti-semitic:

[Embedded content]

I can’t help but notice that Bernie is not being deluged with the same demand for saying the same thing.

I’m getting blowback for not liking Ms. Tlaib’s position.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:58:37pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:58:46pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 7, 2019 • 2:58:53pm

re: #61 KGxvi

Trump know’s he’s a one-termer. Which is why he’s spent his whole time in office planting the “millions of illegal votes” seed. A good chunk of the country will see the next Democrat President as illegitimate. Some will most likely act out violently. It’s all by design.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:00:31pm

re: #65 GlutenFreeJesus

Sadly, I’m not taking it for granted that Trump will be a “one termer”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:00:57pm

re: #59 HappyWarrior

I don’t see anything anti Semitic about that. I disagree with the BDS movement but people have a right to boycott.

BDS was used to bring down apartheid South Africa as well. The Reagan Administration also disparaged it, though the GOP did not try to pass laws making it illegal to boycott.

The objections they are making now to BDS have nothing to do with the actual or perceived mistreatment of Palestinians. It has to do with stripping the rights of Americans. Boycotts are constitutionally-protected acts under the I Amendment.

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:02:21pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

The fear I expressed yesterday that Trump would use Article 2 Section 3 to adjourn the House after McConnell adjourns the Senate sine die is still giving me the shivers

There are a decent number of people that just became Senators that probably wouldn’t like the idea of just going home for the year a week after being sworn in; and even more that will be up for re-election next year. I’m not sure McConnell would actually get the support of his caucus on such a move.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:03:25pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:05:52pm

re: #54 GlutenFreeJesus

I hope we have learned our lesson by now that relying on any Republicans to do anything right, ever, is just not going to happen.

I don’t count on anything Republican. Just commenting on what I heard.

With Trump’s favorable numbers in the low numbers and the reports of low numbers for his wall, there has to be pressure on Republicans in some areas of the country.

His shutting down the government is about to really add to unfavorability numbers for all Republicans once people don’t get paid and necessary services aren’t running.

That doesn’t mean they will fold. But they are in dangerous territory for reelection.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:06:21pm

re: #7 MsJ

Zuckerberg is a fucking psychopath.

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To be fair, he doesn’t own or run the hospital. He donated 75 million to them.

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fern01  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:07:57pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

They cared in 2011 when President Obama wanted to make a speech about immigration law. Every last network declared it a political issue and refused to air it.

Democrat vs. republican
Black guy vs. white guy

The networks will cover it

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:07:58pm

re: #71 Scottish Dragon

He’s still a psycho. ;)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:09:26pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:10:56pm

It’s like I said last night about the last shutdown, the media was convinced that it was going to hurt the DNC in the midterms because shutting down the gov’t over a demand that was seen as “unpopular” (i.e. DACA extension) would hurt their popularity with voters while boosting Trump’s for refusing to give in to “hostage-taking.” There were even liberal pundits who’d thought that taking the stand then was a bad move and was going to be detrimental to hopes to retake the House.

So yeah, I’m not exactly hopeful that the GOP, afraid of how this might hurt them in 2020, are going to stand up to Trump anytime soon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:11:01pm

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

The fear I expressed yesterday that Trump would use Article 2 Section 3 to adjourn the House after McConnell adjourns the Senate sine die is still giving me the shivers

Adjournment sine die is still done via concurrent resolution and is thus subject to objection and the 60 vote threshold in the Senate. I don’t think that McConnell and the Republicans could do this by themselves without changing the rules.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:11:26pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:12:52pm

re: #72 fern01

Democrat vs. republican
Black guy vs. white guy

The networks will cover it

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:15:16pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:16:18pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:17:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:18:15pm

re: #36 Anymouse 🌹

They cared in 2011 when President Obama wanted to make a speech about immigration law. Every last network declared it a political issue and refused to air it.

Good point. I’d love to see networks explain why they are now allowing Trump to lie and hype up his border wall which is nothing but a political issue.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:19:52pm

re: #80 jaunte

Can someone tweet to the networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) and ask them why they rejected President Obama’s immigration speech as being too political and yet are planning to air Trump’s political speech about the border wall? The discrepancy is so blatant.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:20:53pm

re: #67 Anymouse 🌹

BDS was used to bring down apartheid South Africa as well. The Reagan Administration also disparaged it, though the GOP did not try to pass laws making it illegal to boycott.

The objections they are making now to BDS have nothing to do with the actual or perceived mistreatment of Palestinians. It has to do with stripping the rights of Americans. Boycotts are constitutionally-protected acts under the I Amendment.

Right.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:21:39pm

And a whole bunch of conservatives in this thread are showing what they really want: no immigration at all. (That goes back a century or more - conservatism doesn’t really change much.)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:21:52pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:23:15pm

re: #80 jaunte

It may not be good for America, but it’s damn good for CBS. - former CEO Les Moonves.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:24:15pm

I still think Trump is using this to make an essentially dictatorial move and the speech will illustrate what is basically a Reichstag Fire type of fake emergency used to make an autocratic power grab. He will make dolchstoss “stabbed in the back” complaints about the Democrats for extra fascist flair.

I understand and sympathize with the arguments against airing the speech…but if the POTUS is about to make a fake declaration of emergency in order to use powers he would not otherwise have and ignore the law making and purse powers of congress, then the American People really should see it and hear it IMHO. This is one of those things, if I’m right, that is going to be in text books and movies in the future.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:24:59pm

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

“I’ve never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It’s a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going.” - Les Moonves

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:27:05pm

re: #88 Scottish Dragon

It’s meaningless if they air his lies uncritically.

Sure, the Reichstag Fire speech was good to have for historians. How’d that work out for the millions killed?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:27:27pm

re: #88 Scottish Dragon

If he can get away with declaring an emergency and then expropriating federal (tax payer) funds for the wall, what else can he declare to be an emergency? And what else can he do? That’s why this is scary and should alarm Republicans as much as Democrats.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:28:25pm

Something to do while the gasbag is emitting:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:28:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:29:50pm

re: #91 Patricia Kayden

It doesn’t alarm conservatives. They have been working toward a one-party state for decades.

Mitch McConnell right now is effectively a dictator, since he won’t allow legislation “he says” Trump won’t sign. McConnell could persuade Trump (like that 100-0 bill passed in the Senate only weeks ago).

At this point, it would appear Trump is a figurehead.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:31:20pm

re: #82 Patricia Kayden

Good point. I’d love to see networks explain why they are now allowing Trump to lie and hype up his border wall which is nothing but a political issue.

If we bitch about the networks covering Trump, then we need to contact those networks and let them know.

I am. Here is a web site with most of the ways to contact the media.

FAIR’s Media Contact List

It only takes a little time and in a way it is another method of voting.

If they don’t hear how are they supposed to judge if they should or shouldn’t cover the U.S. Chief Liar?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:31:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:32:53pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:33:23pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

It’s meaningless if they air his lies uncritically.

Sure, the Reichstag Fire speech was good to have for historians. How’d that work out for the millions killed?

Did the body count depend on whether something was broadcast with or without commentary? The policy was enacted.

If Trump is going to unleash his inner Cheeto Mussolini….we really should hear it from his fat greasy mouth.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:33:48pm

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

And there is how Trump gets around the IRS problem noted for a few days.

Anyone in the GOP going to complain about a patently illegal order?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:35:12pm

re: #98 Scottish Dragon

Did the body count depend on whether something was broadcast with or without commentary? The policy was enacted.

If Trump is going to unleash his inner Cheeto Mussolini….we really should hear it from his fat greasy mouth.

It was the broadcast which helped whip up the populace to support it.

In the category of “don’t feed the troll,” the troll is about to get a national media platform beamed into everyone’s homes (who have televisions).

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:35:38pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:35:44pm

re: #90 Anymouse 🌹

Also…it was a decree, not a speech. That gets lost in all this madness.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:38:15pm

re: #100 Anymouse 🌹

It was the broadcast which helped whip up the populace to support it.

In the category of “don’t feed the troll,” the troll is about to get a national media platform beamed into everyone’s homes (who have televisions).

There was no broadcast that I know of. It was a power grab decree after the fire.

The Reichstag Fire was a fake emergency, which is why I use that example here, since Trump is creating a fake emergency in order to use powers to ignore the constitutional prerogatives of the Congress.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:39:44pm

what are the odds that e-filing will work?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:40:06pm
Using emergency constitutional powers, Adolf Hitler’s cabinet had issued a Decree for the Protection of the German People on February 4, 1933. This decree placed constraints on the press and authorized the police to ban political meetings and marches, effectively hindering electoral campaigning. A temporary measure, it was followed by a more dramatic and permanent suspension of civil rights following the February 27 burning of the parliament building.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:40:24pm

re: #102 Scottish Dragon

Also…it was a decree, not a speech. That gets lost in all this madness.

Correct. It was reported on afterwards. But within hours of the decree being made, local governments in Germany started rounding up opposition party members, &c.

Reading Wikipedia [citation needed] about it, Goering had actually started arresting people before that decree, but the arrests were thrown out by the courts. After the decree, the courts were no longer relevant.

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:40:53pm

re: #101 goddamnedfrank

One week, one fucking week into 2019 and it’s already making 2015, 2016, and possibly 2017 look like child’s play.

At this rate, it’ll pass 2018 by Valentine’s Day.

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KGxvi  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:41:44pm

re: #104 Backwoods_Sleuth

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what are the odds that e-filing will work?

Considering that e-verify isn’t working? I’d say even money e-filing is borked.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:42:28pm

re: #29 KGxvi

Have the broadcast networks decided on whether they’ll air the address? Or is this going to end up being a cable news only thing?

IF they do, and if we still had an FCC, the broadcast networks SHOULD have their licenses pulled. This is nothing but a political stunt by the biggest liar in the world.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:43:10pm

re: #106 Anymouse 🌹

Correct. It was reported on afterwards. But within hours of the decree being made, local governments in Germany started rounding up opposition party members, &c.

Reading Wikipedia [citation needed] about it, Goering had actually started arresting people before that decree, but the arrests were thrown out by the courts. After the decree, the courts were no longer relevant.

Which is why his speech isn’t particularly relevant in the use of power. He can issue the emergency decree(s) anytime he like, sans speech.

I just say if he is going to try to be a tinpot dictator, we should hear it from him. I really do want to see and hear him damn himself in our history for all eternity if he is going to do this.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:43:50pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

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The exec worrying about being labeled “partisan” is precisely why we are fucked in regards to the media, both-siderism, etc. etc. In a sane world, they wouldn’t fucking care if the most partisan partisans that ever partisaned were calling them names.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:43:55pm

BBL

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:45:49pm

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

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Having the IRS process returns may be illegal but there is not one person in this country getting a refund who would root for the people bringing a lawsuit against the POTUS on this issue.

It was a smart political move to patch an extremely stupid one.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:46:39pm

I suppose it’s also possible that Trump’s speech has nothing to do with the border, and a lot of this is speculation.

I’m not betting any Trump Casino chips on that though.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:47:33pm

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose it’s also possible that Trump’s speech has nothing to do with the border, and a lot of this is speculation.

I’m not betting any Trump Casino chips on that though.

Me neither.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:48:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:48:50pm

Wholly crap it’s windy outside. Welcome to the High Plains, I guess.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:48:52pm

re: #83 Patricia Kayden

Can someone tweet to the networks (ABC, NBC, CBS) and ask them why they rejected President Obama’s immigration speech as being too political and yet are planning to air Trump’s political speech about the border wall? The discrepancy is so blatant.

I’m going to go with not so subtle racism.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:49:48pm

Surprise

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:50:11pm

re: #116 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If we’re staying in Syria does that mean that Mattis is coming back?

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:52:35pm

re: #66 Eclectic Cyborg

Sadly, I’m not taking it for granted that Trump will be a “one termer”.

Nobody should take that for granted.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:52:51pm

I hope the IRS can’t issue returns. Let Trumps poorer, rural base get pissed at him for getting between them and their money.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:53:06pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

If we bitch about the networks covering Trump, then we need to contact those networks and let them know.

I am. Here is a web site with most of the ways to contact the media.

FAIR’s Media Contact List

It only takes a little time and in a way it is another method of voting.

If they don’t hear how are they supposed to judge if they should or shouldn’t cover the U.S. Chief Liar?

Update. All networks contacted. Well, except for CNN. Their form isn’t working. Go figure. I’ll keep trying to find a way. Took me less than 20 minutes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:54:07pm

re: #123 Eclectic Cyborg

I hope the IRS can’t issue returns. Let Trumps poorer, rural base get pissed at him for getting between them and their money.

“DAMNED DEMONCRATS ARE HOLDING MY TAX REFUND HOSTAGE!!!!”

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can't think of a decent username  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:54:22pm

re: #122 Skip Intro

Nobody should take that for granted.

I expect him to take as many terms as he wants.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:55:17pm

juanitajean.com

FOX had a panel discussion this morning on 2020 Presidential candidates. Kennedy Montgomery doesn’t like O’Rourke because Kim Jong Un could push him around due to “lack of experience.”

Yeah, not like Trump at all. Kim is scared of Trump and all his experience.

By the way, wikipedia lists Kennedy Montgomery’s occupation as:

Political commentator
Game show host
Television personality

Also of note: she is 46 years old and has just now discovered Ayn Rand. Oh dear.

(more)

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:56:34pm

re: #108 KGxvi

Considering that e-verify isn’t working? I’d say even money e-filing is borked.

That is the single thing that will screw over Republicans, the inability for people to get their tax refunds. That will hit they their base as well as everyone else. It’ll kill them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:56:39pm

re: #122 Skip Intro

Nobody should take that for granted.

Well, if the one term turns out to be “for life” then he would be only a one-termer.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:57:31pm

re: #110 Scottish Dragon

I hear from him every fucking day, multiple times.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:57:59pm

re: #126 can’t think of a decent username

I expect him to take as many terms as he wants.

The GOP isn’t going to object.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:58:02pm

re: #127 Anymouse 🌹

juanitajean.com

FOX had a panel discussion this morning on 2020 Presidential candidates. Kennedy Montgomery doesn’t like O’Rourke because Kim Jong Un could push him around due to “lack of experience.”

(more)

Next year is gonna be such a shitshow with all the wingnuts trying to act as though suddenly experience matters to them, which is why the Dem candidate is totally unqualified while the manchild they elected is totally qualified.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:58:23pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

Well, if the one term turns out to be “for life” then he would be only a one-termer.

Three years ago that would have been ridiculous “crazy talk”.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:58:54pm

re: #129 Anymouse 🌹

Well, if the one term turns out to be “for life” then he would be only a one-termer.

Like Adolph.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 3:59:12pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

Next year is gonna be such a shitshow with all the wingnuts trying to act as though suddenly experience matters to them, which is why the Dem candidate is totally unqualified while the manchild they elected is totally qualified.

They did the same with Obama in 2008.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:00:29pm

re: #134 Skip Intro

Like Adolph.

Nicolae Ceaușescu

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:00:32pm
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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:02:37pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:04:30pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

“DAMNED DEMONCRATS ARE HOLDING MY TAX REFUND HOSTAGE!!!!”

Yeah, not exactly a hill I’d want to defend.

Let Bernie file the suit.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:04:47pm

re: #137 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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So, basically the networks are giving Donny at the minimum free advertising for his reelection campaign.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:05:26pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:06:07pm

re: #138 Citizen K

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But Obama never teased the possibility of going batsh*t bananas during an Oval Office address, so there is that teaser…

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:06:40pm

re: #114 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose it’s also possible that Trump’s speech has nothing to do with the border, and a lot of this is speculation.

I’m not betting any Trump Casino chips on that though.

I thought he explicitly said it was a speech on the southern crisis.

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fern01  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:07:39pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

on the same subject, Tlaib is getting a lot of flack demanding an apology for this tweet, which is being called anti-semitic:

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I can’t help but notice that Bernie is not being deluged with the same demand for saying the same thing.

Bernie - old white male

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:08:35pm

re: #120 Anymouse 🌹

10 Things Better To Watch Than Trump’s Stupid Damn Racist Oval Office Address (Wonkette)

From that…

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:08:57pm

re: #143 MsJ

I thought he explicitly said it was a speech on the southern crisis.

He’ll talk about anything he damn well wants to, damn the pledge, that’s what he does.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:09:02pm

re: #142 bd(Redacted)

But Obama never teased the possibility of going batsh*t bananas during an Oval Office address, so there is that teaser…

No doubt that’s part of the calculus, but it’s still consistently amazing how quickly networks will drop trou to grant Trump any and all coverage and credulity he wants. Meanwhile, they clearly had no problem telling Obama ‘no’, and he never called them the ‘enemy of the people’.

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Targetpractice  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:10:02pm

re: #142 bd(Redacted)

But Obama never teased the possibility of going batsh*t bananas during an Oval Office address, so there is that teaser…

That’s what I figure is really driving these execs to agree to this: The possible ratings grab of having Donny lose his shit on live TV.

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fern01  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:10:34pm

re: #65 GlutenFreeJesus

Trump know’s he’s a one-termer. Which is why he’s spent his whole time in office planting the “millions of illegal votes” seed. A good chunk of the country will see the next Democrat President as illegitimate. Some will most likely act out violently. It’s all by design.

Trump wants to be President till he dies and knows he has to get rid of congress to do it. This is his chance.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:11:59pm

Not Opus Dei! No Way! So Shocked!!

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fern01  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:12:36pm

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

They will cover it. Change of the century if they do not

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:13:27pm

re: #136 Anymouse 🌹

Works fo me. Never happen as long as there’s beer and football.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:15:04pm

re: #145 MsJ

Is this when he’s going to declare martial law and dissolve the Congress?

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:15:31pm

re: #153 Skip Intro

Is this when he’s going to declare martial law and dissolve the Congress?

Why not. Republicans will let him.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:15:50pm

politico.com
Pompeo, in Cairo speech, to rebuke Obama’s Mideast vision

In the article it notes he is likely to blame Obama for the rise of ISIS and misled the people of the Middle East.

Additionally, buried way down at the bottom:

Pompeo is also due to applaud Saudi Arabia for bringing to justice the killers of Jamal Khashoggi, a Washington Post contributing columnist, two people briefed said.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:16:35pm

Yes, that Alyssa Milano
(18 tweets in the thread)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:17:13pm

re: #147 Citizen K

No doubt that’s part of the calculus, but it’s still consistently amazing how quickly networks will drop trou to grant Trump any and all coverage and credulity he wants. Meanwhile, they clearly had no problem telling Obama ‘no’, and he never called them the ‘enemy of the people’.

Back to Les Moonves’s statements above. They care about money, not accuracy or the safety of the nation.

The owners of the networks have enough money to flee if necessary.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:20:10pm
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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:20:20pm

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yes, that Alyssa Milano
(18 tweets in the thread)

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She’s testified before Congress before.

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fern01  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:22:28pm

re: #151 fern01

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:22:50pm

re: #158 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It was an election strategy.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:23:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:28:28pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:29:50pm

A non-commentator at Wonkette just posted this:

My friend, a senior specials producer at ABC News, texts: The newsroom is in the process of punching down the walls, and threatening a walk out if the top floor won’t agree to fact checking.

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Archangelus  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:30:20pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:30:49pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:32:35pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:33:53pm

“MSNBC Contributor” Corey Lewandowski letting his fascist freak fly on Hardball.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:35:48pm

“So, basically the President can do anything he wants?”

“NATIONAL EMERGENCEEEE!!!”

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:40:43pm

re: #169 jaunte

Punchable.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:42:16pm

re: #165 Archangelus

According to the Washington Post, all networks will be airing it. washingtonpost.com

Representatives for ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, MSNBC and NBC confirmed plans to air Trump’s address Tuesday night. Trump tweeted that he will speak at 9 p.m. Eastern.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:43:59pm

I wonder if he’ll sue the station , and local politicians who demanded he be sacked, for violating his “1st Amendment rights”
//

“… During a weather forecast on Friday which showed a live shot of the city’s Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial Park, Jeremy Kappell appeared to refer to it as “Martin Luther Coon King Jr. Park.” …”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:45:56pm

Paleocons are STILL bitching about FDR’s declaration of an “unlimited national emergency” in May of 1941. Power grab, no justification, interventionism etc.
In fact, we will probably see them compare the two.
You libturd Marxists were Okay with that and now you slag Trump for the same thing. Hypocrites!

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:47:44pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Thanks for the contact info. Will bookmark it. Have contacted several networks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:48:35pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:55:39pm

New comedy duo trying out their act:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:57:28pm

re: #176 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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he’s got one of those beards, too

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:58:03pm

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 4:58:47pm

re: #171 Patricia Kayden

According to the Washington Post, all networks will be airing it. washingtonpost.com

Representatives for ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, MSNBC and NBC confirmed plans to air Trump’s address Tuesday night. Trump tweeted that he will speak at 9 p.m. Eastern.

Democracy dies to thunderous applause.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:00:16pm

I just saw a suggestion: Democrats should demand to be allowed to respond.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:00:43pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:01:26pm
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:01:27pm

Fort Worth GOP set to vote Thursday on whether to let a Muslim be a member of the GOP:

An internal fight in the Tarrant Republican Party over whether to oust a leader because he’s Muslim is hurting the group’s ability to raise needed money, several members say.

On Thursday, Republican precinct chairmen are scheduled to vote on whether to keep Shahid Shafi, a Muslim, as one of the party’s vice chairmen.

star-telegram.com

The cash has stopped rolling in and they can’t even get someone to commit to headlining their Lincoln Day dinner until this is settled.

star-telegram.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:02:40pm

re: #181 Belafon

I just saw a suggestion: Democrats should demand to be allowed to respond.

They won’t allow that.

Unlike Obama’s immigration speech they refused in 2011, this isn’t a “political” speech.

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Skip Intro  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:03:28pm

re: #182 The Vicious Babushka

The fucking media defined in one quote.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:05:10pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

That’s what I figure is really driving these execs to agree to this: The possible ratings grab of having Donny lose his shit on live TV.

Yep, zero chance that sensible, deliberate Obama would’ve done that. Trump, otoh, might do literally anything. Can’t not rubberneck the trainwreck.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:05:56pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I see where Brian Stetler says NBC will carry the Trump Lying Fest™…but Oliver is saying MSNBC.

There is a difference.

But then I think he is from CNN…so, it could be bad reporting.

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Interesting Times  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:05:57pm

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yep, zero chance that sensible, deliberate Obama would’ve done that. Trump, otoh, might do literally anything. Can’t not rubberneck the trainwreck.

Doubt it. This will be tranquilized, teleprompter trump.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:06:39pm

THREAD

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:08:24pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

That’s what I figure is really driving these execs to agree to this: The possible ratings grab of having Donny lose his shit on live TV.

How? He’ll be yakking into a camera with a teleprompter. There will be no media present to make him melt down.

He will say crazy stuff, but he does that all the time anyway.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:09:14pm

re: #184 bd(Redacted)

Fort Worth GOP set to vote Thursday on whether to let a Muslim be a member of the GOP:

star-telegram.com

The cash has stopped rolling in and they can’t even get someone to commit to headlining their Lincoln Day dinner until this is settled.

star-telegram.com

Here’s to hoping they reject him.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:09:30pm

re: #184 bd(Redacted)

Precinct Chairman Dorrie O’Brien asked for Shafi’s appointment to be reconsidered and the issue ramped up and expanded after the Nov. 6 election, which saw Tarrant County turn blue in the U.S. Senate race.

She and others behind the move to oust Shafi, a surgeon and Southlake City Council member, say this is not about religion but whether Shafi is loyal to Islam and Islamic law or connected “to Islamic terror groups.”

O’Brien recently mentioned fundraising concerns on social media.

This is not about O’Brien’s Irish ancestry but whether she is loyal to the Catholic Church or connected to the IRA.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:09:33pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:10:34pm

re: #192 Belafon

Here’s to hoping they reject him.

The Tarrant County Democrats have offered to accept Dr. Shafi with open arms.

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Jay C  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:11:45pm

re: #185 Anymouse 🌹

They won’t allow that.

Unlike Obama’s immigration speech they refused in 2011, this isn’t a “political” speech.

Also: I’m sure the “MSM” response to direct criticism of this line might also take the usual tack the nets do when confronted with their usual GOP bias: i.e. “Well, if it was wrong to block Obama’s speech in 2011, it’s wrong to block Trump this week” . Even-handedness after the fact: always supporting Republicans, just by coincidence….

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:14:14pm

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

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If I owned land around the border, I would also challenge any attempt to put troops on my property. Yes, the second says house, but challenging on property would get some looks.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:16:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:17:54pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:19:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:22:37pm

Press still has to tear down Democrats (they’re also scared of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez):

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:24:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:25:44pm
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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:26:17pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:27:01pm

re: #202 Anymouse 🌹

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Interesting Times  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:27:23pm
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Unabogie  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:30:05pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:30:19pm

I got $10 that says Trump goes off script before the 2-minute mark tomorrow night.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:31:49pm

re: #208 Eclectic Cyborg

That is an even money bet. He always does that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:32:31pm

My niece had two kids. Then she adopted 2 little kids from Ethiopia. Then she adopted two tweens from Ethiopia. One of the tweens turned into a real nightmare of behavior problems - lying, stealing, acting out - and is now living with a different family, possibly as part of not going to Juvie.

So, today, she posted this on FB:

Parenting… keepin ya humble one kid at a time… I must have had some serious pride issues for God to give me 6

“gave”? God didn’t give her any of those kids. Her bio kids were caused by her own lack of contraception, and the adopted ones she intentionally went and got. This is something that bothers me about some believers, that they ascribe their own choices to a deity who made them do stuff. Sure, lots of life is random shit that happens. But there are also your choices, and nobody made you make them.

/rant.

Of course, I’m not telling HER any of this.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:34:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:34:16pm

re: #209 PhillyPretzel

That is an even money bet. He always does that.

Right. The bet is not will he or won’t he, but rather how soon he will.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:38:31pm

JFC

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Dave In Austin  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:38:56pm
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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:39:37pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

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The GOP propaganda machine absolutely defines ‘failing upward’

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:40:28pm

re: #210 Blind Frog Belly White

“gave”? God didn’t give her any of those kids. Her bio kids were caused by her own lack of contraception, and the adopted ones she intentionally went and got. This is something that bothers me about some believers, that they ascribe their own choices to a deity who made them do stuff. Sure, lots of life is random shit that happens. But there are also your choices, and nobody made you make them.

A lot of Christians also like to collect children. They are raising up an “Army for God.”

Some of them take that word “army” seriously.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:40:34pm

re: #213 Backwoods_Sleuth

Putting the blame on the Dems when it is the Reps who have caused this whole debacle.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:41:16pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:41:29pm

re: #216 Anymouse 🌹

A lot of Christians also like to collect children. They are raising up an “Army for God.”

Some of them take that word “army” seriously.

Not where she’s coming from, fortunately.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:41:58pm

I got to ski for two and a half hours on another powder day today! Last run of the day is a screamer!

Instagram

Top of one of my favorite pitches in Colorado. #LetItSnow @sunlightmountainresort

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:42:35pm

He’s read 30 whole books!

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:44:08pm

re: #220 teleskiguy

I got to ski for two and a half hours on another powder day today! Last run of the day is a screamer!

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That black diamond there: That means “abandon hope all ye who enter here,” correct?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:45:11pm

re: #218 Backwoods_Sleuth

Narrator: The Democrats won’t get equal airtime.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:46:07pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

That black diamond there: That means “abandon hope all ye who enter here,” correct?

No, that would be the DOUBLE black diamond.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:46:25pm

re: #221 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s read 30 whole books!

That just screams “incel”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:46:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:49:56pm

re: #225 Anymouse 🌹

That just screams “incel”

Yeah, but it’s all the women’s fault for not having femininity enough for a manly, well read man like him.

Imagine what it’d be like if your social circle were such that reading 30 books - “some of the multiple times” - was some kind of accomplishment.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:50:18pm

re: #221 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s read 30 whole books!

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That’s one semester of grad school.

I get that some people don’t like to read and that’s fine. But to some how think that a grown-ass man reading 30 books in his lifetime is an accomplishment is just silly.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:51:59pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

That black diamond there: That means “abandon hope all ye who enter here,” correct?

It’s one ranking below the double black trails, which are to the right of the photo.

Gnarly Knob isn’t a trail, it’s just a spot to pick a line down the double blacks. The view is very airy up there, you can see all the way to the valley floor and can look about five miles down the valley. I don’t know why they only painted a single diamond.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:52:11pm

re: #228 Teddy’s Person

That’s one semester of grad school.

I get that some people don’t like to read and that’s fine. But to some how think that a grown-ass man reading 30 books in his lifetime is an accomplishment is just silly.

I easily had that many read by the time I was in third grade. And let’s not even discuss how many I had to read as a lit major in college - in three languages, yo!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:52:18pm

re: #228 Teddy’s Person

That’s one semester of grad school.

I get that some people don’t like to read and that’s fine. But to some how think that a grown-ass man reading 30 books in his lifetime is an accomplishment is just silly.

Reminds me of a line from a Woody Allen short story, “A Twenties Memory”:

“At that time I was working on what I really thought would be The Great American Novel, but the print was too small and I had to stop.”

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:55:04pm

re: #221 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Between me and my father we own orders of magnitude more books than this dude has read. I have over 30 books in my bedroom, and hundreds more in storage.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:56:31pm

re: #232 teleskiguy

Between me and my father we own orders of magnitude more books than this dude has read. I have over 30 books in my bedroom, and hundreds more in storage.

Never trust a person who doesn’t have an ongoing problem with book storage.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:57:03pm

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Narrator: The Democrats won’t get equal airtime.

“Why us the media continuing to show favoritism to Trump and the GOP as they wreck our country and it’s values?”

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:57:56pm

re: #201 Anymouse 🌹

Press still has to tear down Democrats (they’re also scared of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez):

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She in some ways needs to use less numbers and say something like “a lot of the funds that go to the Defense Department could be used for more important things many in this country would like to see, like health insurance and infrastructure.”

Actual figures can be used to criticize and scare people.

Also, is it wise to say insurance should be free which it seems she is saying? The money has to come from somewhere. I think it should be stated that the money you are already paying for insurance could be lessened if it were a tax and went into a big USA Insurance pool where it can be used for single payer and scaled to how much the government adds to help the needy, etc. Then it needs to be explained how that can cut overall costs because so much waste is in middle-men gouging.

As I said the other night, she is young and she will learn to deal with the media in a better way. But she does need to realize the media is out to define her and she doesn’t need to give them the chance.

Right now it might be best if she says less, not more and in Congress do more, not less. She will learn the craft. Right now she might be a little too energetic and that can lead to being baited by the media.

And I would give the same advice to any young freshman congressperson, man or woman. Learn those ropes before they hang you with them.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:58:26pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft demonstrates how US conservatives want a service that provides them with stimulation—stories of anger, contempt, schadenfraude—so badly that they’ll compromise both of quality or the narrative and verisimilitude.

They need a stronger hit even if it’s dirtier.

I’ve made the “transitioned from powder coke to crack rock” reference a couple of times w/r/t Glenn Beck versus what came after, but I think at this point I think the metaphor has to be the longest, uglier, body-rotting descent into worse and worse opiods.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 5:59:40pm

Is the press going after McConnell?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:00:19pm

re: #233 Blind Frog Belly White

Never trust a person who doesn’t have an ongoing problem with book storage.

Have you ever gone to somebody’s house where there are no books anywhere? Doesn’t it creep you out?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:01:06pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

Jim Hoft demonstrates how US conservatives want a service that provides them with stimulation—stories of anger, contempt, schadenfraude—so badly that they’ll compromise both of quality or the narrative and verisimilitude.

They need a stronger hit even if it’s dirtier.

I’ve made the “transitioned from powder coke to crack rock” reference a couple of times w/r/t Glenn Beck versus what came after, but I think at this point I think the metaphor has to be the longest, uglier, body-rotting descent into worse and worse opiods.

Continuing to smoke meth even after their teeth fall out.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:01:47pm

Got back an hour or so ago from Urgent Care. Tetanus shot (because I have no idea when my last one was) and a scrip for antibiotics. I was playing tug of war last night with our new doggo and she got really into it and accidentally chomped on my hand. I was like, “fuck, that hurt, but I’ll just rinse it out, put on some anti-bio ointment, bandage, and go to bed.” But by 6PM tonight it was swelling and red, so I did something I usually do when I sneeze—I looked up medical advice online. Oops, should have gone this morning. The good news is that while taking my vitals they also told me my blood pressure is getting right up there. My doctor knows this, too. Looks like BP meds are on the way after our next appt. next month.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:02:11pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:02:26pm

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Have you ever gone to somebody’s house where there are no books anywhere? Doesn’t it creep you out?

We have books overflowing in every room, including all the bathrooms.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:03:38pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

We have books overflowing in every room, including all the bathrooms.

Better than toilets overflowing in all the rooms…..

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Interesting Times  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:04:23pm

re: #236 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

They need a stronger hit even if it’s dirtier.

I’ve made the “transitioned from powder coke to crack rock” reference a couple of times w/r/t Glenn Beck versus what came after, but I think at this point I think the metaphor has to be the longest, uglier, body-rotting descent into worse and worse opiods.

Krokodil (WARNING: do not google-image search unless you have a bigly strong stomach)

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:05:03pm

re: #238 Blind Frog Belly White

Have you ever gone to somebody’s house where there are no books anywhere? Doesn’t it creep you out?

Yes! This has happened to me a few times. I don’t hang out with those people anymore.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:10:09pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

You know what is really hard? We collected books and papers on our chosen subject of life, and the house is full. I am working at getting everything organized and catalogued and digitized. My spreadsheet overfloweth!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:10:44pm

re: #245 teleskiguy

Yes! This has happened to me a few times. I don’t hang out with those people anymore.

It’s like going to the bathroom at someone’s house, and there are no hand towels. It makes you ask questions about them you’d rather not have the answers to.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:11:08pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:11:41pm

My lights are flickering. You lucky devils may lose me to the wind in a minute.

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:12:41pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Continuing to smoke meth even after their teeth fall out.

The part I don’t know how to convey is that they’re not just consuming something that’s just…instant gratification…it’s that they’re insisting it’s healthful. Even as they switch sources, even as the obvious lies turn up. I mean, there are clearly cooks and dealers as well as junkies, but many of them start getting high on their own supply.

I used to hem and haw about postmodernism, but I’m beginning to see their point: people don’t have to engage with reality at all. Their worldview doesn’t have to make sense, or even be consistent.

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Mattand  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:12:48pm

re: #168 jaunte

“MSNBC Contributor” Corey Lewandowski letting his fascist freak fly on Hardball.

Fuck Chris Matthews.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:12:56pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:13:10pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

Years too late for me to unsee Krokodil effects.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:13:23pm

My grandfather was a used book collector. On his way to or from work in the City, he’d stop by a used bookstore and pick up one or two. Or more. As a child, I had access to the collected works of Dickens, de Maupassant, Shakespeare, O. Henry, Poe, Stevenson, and many more, all right there in my house. One summer I decided to catalog every single book in our house. The total count, ours + grandpa’s, was around 1,200. Sadly, a lot of those were ruined when a pipe bust in the basement, and others got all moldy in the Kentucky humidity. So, now our family book count is considerably less than it was when I was a kid, but OTOH my kids are all quite well read.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:13:23pm

re: #246 retired cynic

You know what is really hard? We collected books and papers on our chosen subject of life, and the house is full. I am working at getting everything organized and catalogued and digitized. My spreadsheet overfloweth!

Just do what Mrs. FBW does: organize one spot at the expense of all others. Then insist your Significant Other ‘Oooo and Ahhh’, and ignore the chaos you’ve caused in the rest of the house.

Next week, organize another spot, trashing the spot you just organized.

We used to have a white plastic etagere. It was a roving nexus of organization in our house, but chaos followed in its wake.

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gocart mozart  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:13:51pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:13:55pm

re: #249 Anymouse 🌹

My lights are flickering. You lucky devils may lose me to the wind in a minute.

Hopefully just your logon and not really you….

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danarchy  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:14:03pm

re: #233 Blind Frog Belly White

Never trust a person who doesn’t have an ongoing problem with book storage.

I have pretty much given up on physical books. Aside from the occasional book that I actually want in hard cover it is e-books for me.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:14:45pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

Just do what Mrs. FBW does: organize one spot at the expense of all others. Then insist your Significant Other ‘Oooo and Ahhh’, and ignore the chaos you’ve caused in the rest of the house.

Next week, organize another spot, trashing the spot you just organized.

We used to have a white plastic etagere. It was a roving nexus of organization in our house, but chaos followed in its wake.

That’s how it works at my house.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:17:22pm

re: #248 Charles Johnson

And that ought to be what they do while they are filing a court case.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:17:40pm

“Economic anxiety.”

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Interesting Times  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:17:55pm

No fair!!!11!! The leopards were only supposed to eat THOSE people’s faces!!!1!!1!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:18:16pm

re: #255 Blind Frog Belly White

Just do what Mrs. FBW does: organize one spot at the expense of all others. Then insist your Significant Other ‘Oooo and Ahhh’, and ignore the chaos you’ve caused in the rest of the house.

Next week, organize another spot, trashing the spot you just organized.

We used to have a white plastic etagere. It was a roving nexus of organization in our house, but chaos followed in its wake.

I don’t recommend watching the new Marie Kondo show on Netflix, in that case.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:20:28pm

re: #262 Interesting Times

He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting? WTF

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plansbandc  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:20:42pm

Why in the world would anyone think the networks would fact check this particular speech? They haven’t done that yet. When I make the tragic error of watching even a minute of network “news” all I hear is a regurgitation of everything the orange bag says.

Why would this speech be any different?

I am so fucking sick of this.

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Mattand  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:21:18pm

re: #262 Interesting Times

No fair!!!11!! The leopards were only supposed to eat THOSE people’s faces!!!1!!1!

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Jesus, that quote in the tweet: “He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.”

That is 7,294 levels of fucked up. People like that asshole are the ones that make me think I need to start carrying a gun.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:22:57pm

re: #266 Mattand

And every one of these fuckers vote Republican.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:24:37pm

re: #264 Ace Rothstein

He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting? WTF

Conservatism in a nutshell.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:25:23pm

re: #264 Ace Rothstein

He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting? WTF

You know. ‘Those people’. Nudge nudge, wink wink.

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Mattand  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:26:04pm

re: #266 Mattand

I much as I’ve despised Republicans over the years, never once have I thought they needed to be “hurt”.

I think that was what was so frustrating with people like Dark Falcon, NJDHockeyfan, and the rest of the departed conservative old guard. They’d look at a statement like that and go full metal “What rot in the Republican party?”

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:26:09pm

re: #197 Belafon

If I owned land around the border, I would also challenge any attempt to put troops on my property. Yes, the second says house, but challenging on property would get some looks.

The 3rd.

has there ever, EVER, been any Third Amendment activism? Perhaps it’s time.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:26:31pm

RWNJs are *very* concerned about Christian Bale’s association with Satan, and are still obsessing over the “10-foot-high” wall around the Obama house.

They glom onto each and every shiny new object that pops up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:29:06pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:32:22pm

re: #266 Mattand

Jesus, that quote in the tweet: “He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.”

That is 7,294 levels of fucked up. People like that asshole are the ones that make me think I need to start carrying a gun.

“Atheists are immoral.” - Betcha that person claims to be a Bible-believing Christian.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:32:27pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:34:25pm

I feel I should remind everyone that most of what Trump says tomorrow night will be written by Stephen Miller.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:34:42pm

re: #271 sagehen

The 3rd.

has there ever, EVER, been any Third Amendment activism? Perhaps it’s time.

There have been cases under the Third, none of which went to the Supreme Court. Interestingly, the Third Amendment was used to establish a right to privacy in the Constitution.

en.wikipedia.org (Judicial interpretations)

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:35:45pm
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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:37:09pm

re: #266 Mattand

Jesus, that quote in the tweet: “He’s not hurting the people he’s supposed to be hurting.”

That is 7,294 levels of fucked up. People like that asshole are the ones that make me think I need to start carrying a gun.

Yes. They are.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:37:16pm

One problem: There is no motherfucking border crisis.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:40:30pm

re: #280 jaunte

One problem: There is no motherfucking border crisis.

There’s also no voter fraud. But ask a significant portion of America, and they’ll tell you that both exist and the Dems are all to blame for the super-mega-ultra crises.

The same people that news organs like NYT tell you are the ‘real’ face of the American electorate, or at least should be.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:42:14pm

Graceful when corrected.

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sagehen  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:43:27pm

re: #232 teleskiguy

Between me and my father we own orders of magnitude more books than this dude has read. I have over 30 books in my bedroom, and hundreds more in storage.

I have more than 30 books just on the Heinlein/Asimov/Bradbury shelf.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:44:02pm

re: #281 Citizen K

There’s also no voter fraud. But ask a significant portion of America, and they’ll tell you that both exist and the Dems are all to blame for the super-mega-ultra crises.

The same people that news organs like NYT tell you are the ‘real’ face of the American electorate, or at least should be.

No doubt there will be another round of Cletus Safaris right after the speech, perhaps in real-time.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:46:54pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Graceful when corrected.

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She is learning.

This was a big lesson. She will be okay.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:47:19pm

re: #281 Citizen K

There’s also no voter fraud. But ask a significant portion of America, and they’ll tell you that both exist and the Dems are all to blame for the super-mega-ultra crises.

The same people that news organs like NYT tell you are the ‘real’ face of the American electorate, or at least should be.

Trumpistas believe the follow with all their heart and soul:

There is a southern border crisis. Droves of criminals and terrorists are threatening the safety of the USA.
Voter fraud is rampant.
All Muslims are terrorists. All Hispanic people are drug overlords or gang members. All blacks are thugs. And all these people threaten the existence of white folks everywhere.
Trump is God, or at least next to Him, having pushed Jesus aside.
Russia is our friend.
No collusion.
Trump is a genius.
Obama usurped the presidency as a foreigner and ruined the country.
Trump saved the country from oblivion.

These are incontrovertible articles of faith. Trying to dissuade them otherwise is a waste of time.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:51:02pm

re: #197 Belafon

If I owned land around the border, I would also challenge any attempt to put troops on my property. Yes, the second third says house, but challenging on property would get some looks.

I should have said third, thanks #271 sagehen.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:51:37pm

Hi Stanley Sea!

We miss you.

(I was looking at who is on line)

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:52:50pm

re: #285 ObserverArt

She is learning.

This was a big lesson. She will be okay.

Well, Rep. Gianforte tackled a Guardian reporter. IOKIYAR

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:53:26pm

re: #283 sagehen

I have more than 30 books just on the Heinlein/Asimov/Bradbury shelf.

I keep all my cool hardcovers in my bedroom. I have hundreds of biographies stored away in my living room behind a couch.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:53:32pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:54:25pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:54:25pm

re: #282 Anymouse 🌹

Graceful when corrected.

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I hated my code testers and would never let my code out before they tested.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:55:37pm

re: #221 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s read 30 whole books!

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Only reading 30 books is hardly the worst of that whole tweet.

When I was dating on Match, I meet a guy who didn’t read books but has a subscription to the National Enquirer.

Next.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:56:26pm

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Or am I giving Stable Genius too much credit for thinking further than fifteen minutes from now?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:57:27pm

Ugh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:58:12pm

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹

Ugh.

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Sitting on the floor to own the Libs.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:58:15pm

re: #283 sagehen

I have more than 30 books just on the Heinlein/Asimov/Bradbury shelf.

My wife has more than thirty cookbooks.

We have hundreds of books in this house. We even read them.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 7, 2019 • 6:58:24pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Or am I giving Stable Genius too much credit for thinking further than fifteen minutes from now?

If he declares an emergency, it’s national strike and hit the streets. Get to DC and fill them until he is out.

Is a tyrant in the White House not what we have been told and told the 2nd A is all about?

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:01:52pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Or am I giving Stable Genius too much credit for thinking further than fifteen minutes from now?

You can almost see the bull-session, right?

“And so what I’m gonna do….”
“Right, boss, whatcha gonna do?”
“I’m gonna call a presser without the press…”
“Yeah, boss, that’s genius right there, stable-like and all!”
“And then I’m gonna tell the American people about how Chuck and Nancy are lovers, but to make it better I’ll call them ‘homo lovers!’”
“Yeah, that’s the ticket….”
“Then I will talk about how they’re recruitin’ all these homo lovers and gangsters and pedophiles and drug dealers to take over America!”
“MAGA, MAGA, MAGA!!!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:02:09pm

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹

Ugh.

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Stupid millennials could afford to buy furniture if they didn’t spend all their money on hair product!

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gocart mozart  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:02:57pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:03:13pm

re: #296 Anymouse 🌹

Speaking of “swipe left” on Tinder candidates

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:03:56pm

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

Stupid millennials could afford to buy furniture if they didn’t spend all their money on hair product!

It probably has avocado in it.

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garzooma  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:04:09pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Josh Marshall suggested something similar. I’ve been trying to finding legal experts discussing how this would get played out.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:04:25pm

re: #239 Charles Johnson

Continuing to smoke meth even after their teeth fall out.

Congrats on 700k!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:04:29pm

re: #301 The Vicious Babushka

Stupid millennials could afford to buy furniture if they didn’t spend all their money on hair product!

Not sure Kaity uses any hair product to tame her ra-mane.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:06:02pm
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danarchy  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:07:38pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

The problem is the emergency powers act specifically gave the president extremely wide latitude to define what an emergency is. There is no guarantee the SCOTUS would shoot this down. They did specifically enumerate what powers the executive would have during an emergency but there are many of them so I am sure the lawyers are going through all of those to determine which powers he can use to get the wall built. That will be where any challenge lies.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:08:41pm

I hope it plays out like this: Trump declares “emergency” and lets gov’t reopen. Suit filed, and court enjoins him from building wall. Trump tweets outrage at judge, loses appeal.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:09:03pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Or am I giving Stable Genius too much credit for thinking further than fifteen minutes from now?

I listen to political news stuff often in the background as I work. The other day someone on MSBNC said Trump was trying to show his base he is going all out and then he can say, he tried, but those damn Democrats and Fake Media® stopped it all.

So, you may not be too off in that he is looking for an out.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:09:21pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:10:13pm

re: #307 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure Kaity uses any hair product to tame her ra-mane.

Speaking as a child of the ‘60’s when straight, straight hair all the way down to your ass was THE ONLY STYLE, as one who had natural curly hair, there is no freaking way you can grow naturally curly hair down to your ass without a shit ton of hair product.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:10:21pm

re: #299 Unshaken Defiance

If he declares an emergency, it’s national strike and hit the streets. Get to DC and fill them until he is out.

Is a tyrant in the White House not what we have been told and told the 2nd A is all about?

This. Sabo-kitty & ammo boxes.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:10:50pm
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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:12:08pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. He can then go back to his braindead red hats and say “I tried.”

Or am I giving Stable Genius too much credit for thinking further than fifteen minutes from now?

We shall have to see. I think that, since he’s a sociopath, we’re either going to have to hit him where it hurts - his money - or break the Senate GOP’s will. This does mean we are going to have to stand behind the Democrats in Congress. If we could do it in a way that wouldn’t be found out, we might figure out how to help those furloughed, like donating to food pantries in some areas.

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Citizen K  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:12:57pm

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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And of course, we’ve seen not just how quickly norms get eroded, but how easily bad faith is used to deflect the blame so those actually acting in good faith get all the blame and those acting in bad faith get all the fucking rewards.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:13:11pm

I hate that orange motherfucker.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:14:38pm

Trump giving the EU a big FU?

dw.com

The Trump administration has downgraded the diplomatic status of the European Union’s delegation to the United States, an EU official has confirmed to DW. The demotion happened at the end of last year without notice.
The unannounced move by the US State Department, which has not previously been reported, downgraded the EU delegation’s diplomatic status in Washington from member state to international organization.

“We don’t exactly know when they did it, because they conveniently forgot to notify us,” an EU official who is familiar with the matter told DW in an interview.

“I can confirm that this has not been well received in Brussels,” the person said, adding that the issue and an official EU response was still being discussed.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:15:17pm

Hey Charles,

The next time you do a music thread, I offer this for your consideration. They don’t have a ton of tunes but I have to say this is an amazing song and video. And now I am a Mongolian Rock and Metal fan..

The HU - Wolf Totem

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:15:42pm

re: #222 Anymouse 🌹

That black diamond there: That means “abandon hope all ye who enter here,” correct?

re: #229 teleskiguy

It’s one ranking below the double black trails, which are to the right of the photo.

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Gnarly Knob isn’t a trail, it’s just a spot to pick a line down the double blacks. The view is very airy up there, you can see all the way to the valley floor and can look about five miles down the valley. I don’t know why they only painted a single diamond.

Wait? There’s double blacks? Is it something like with a snowmobile and one or two S&R people parked at the end, and the lower third of the trail(s) is marked with more and more smelly brown streaks the further the ski season progresses?

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:15:53pm

re: #312 Belafon

Reload, I embedded an incorrect tweet in the middle.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:17:20pm

re: #313 The Vicious Babushka

Speaking as a child of the ‘60’s when straight, straight hair all the way down to your ass was THE ONLY STYLE, as one who had natural curly hair, there is no freaking way you can grow naturally curly hair down to your ass without a shit ton of hair product.

I defer to your expertise, ma’am. ;-)

Personally speaking, I suggest that Kaitlin would less like a rag mop if she trimmed that ra-mane back a tad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:18:48pm

Maggie, bothsiding like a boss.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:20:40pm

re: #319 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump giving the EU a big FU?

dw.com

JFC. He’s ruining our country.

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:20:57pm

re: #320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Hey Charles,

The next time you do a music thread, I offer this for your consideration. They don’t have a ton of tunes but I have to say this is an amazing song and video. And now I am a Mongolian Rock and Metal fan..

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Hmmm. Looks familiar … ;) Yeah, it’s cool stuff that’s why I was looking for metal heads to share it with the other night. Great article about them on NPR the other day too.

how a mongolian heavy metal band got millions of youtube views

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:21:51pm

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. He’s ruining our country.

Doing his master’s bidding.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:24:01pm

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. He’s ruining our country.

Already has.

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:24:36pm

re: #325 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. He’s ruining our country.

Not only the country, but the whole friggin’ world…

re: #327 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Doing his master’s bidding.

Yeah. And it scares me more and more…

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:25:14pm

If you go home with somebody, and they don’t have books, don’t fuck ‘em!”

― John Waters

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:26:04pm

re: #327 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Doing his master’s bidding.

I hope Brussels responds with something more than a sternly worded letter.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:26:12pm

re: #321 Teukka

Wait? There’s double blacks? Is it something like with a snowmobile and one or two S&R people parked at the end, and the lower third of the trail(s) is marked with more and more smelly brown streaks the further the ski season progresses?

Heh heh heh!

Generally in Colorado a double black is a trail that exceeds 45 degrees and/or has cliff terrain and other big obstacles.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:28:17pm
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Weaselone  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:28:58pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

I like the New Testament scholars in the comments lecturing on Mary and Joseph not being refugees, because apparently they and their ministers never bothered to cover anything beyond the nativity.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:31:11pm

re: #333 Belafon

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Good on The Supreme Court.

I know it is packed now with conservatives, but I still hold hope that big document they protect is still powerful enough to make them try to do right.

This may be a good indication that they are not fully evil.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:31:44pm

Go read this if you want to feel all warm inside: dailykos.com.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:33:26pm

How did I miss this? LOL.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:34:42pm

re: #334 Weaselone

I like the New Testament scholars in the comments lecturing on Mary and Joseph not being refugees, because apparently they and their ministers never bothered to cover anything beyond the nativity.

Self-described NT scholars in internet comment threads are anything but.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:36:57pm

re: #334 Weaselone

I like the New Testament scholars in the comments lecturing on Mary and Joseph not being refugees, because apparently they and their ministers never bothered to cover anything beyond the nativity.

There is also the refugee status of the Hebrews in the OT that seems to elude the so-called Biblical experts.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:37:32pm
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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:39:55pm

re: #336 Belafon

Go read this if you want to feel all warm inside: dailykos.com.

You’ve Got To Be Carefully Taught - South Pacific (1958)

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:40:25pm

re: #339 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There is also the refugee status of the Hebrews in the OT that seems to elude the so-called Biblical experts.

Not to mention all the commandments to love and care for the stranger among you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:41:05pm
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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:41:30pm

re: #336 Belafon

Go read this if you want to feel all warm inside: dailykos.com.

That’s so sweet. I’m tearing up big time.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:41:35pm

This isn’t me, but I was doing this this morning.

Instagram

A look at the morning commute on East Ridge. #morningcommute #trafficwhattraffic #powderfordays #eastridge #faceshots #steepanddeep

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TedStriker  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:42:06pm

re: #337 MsJ

How did I miss this? LOL.

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It’s edited (though it’s still funny); if you notice when Trump walks in, it appears to be school-age kids, somewhere in 1st to maybe 3rd grade, but the cut to the screaming kids shows older preschoolers, maybe pre-K or even kindergarten kids. Plus, the walls are a different color (white with a bulletin board covered in blue paper in the shot with Trump, then the jump cut with the screaming kids shows a room with blue walls)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:42:25pm

re: #150 bd(Redacted)

Not Opus Dei! No Way! So Shocked!!

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We want to know where the hush money came from.

Name the names of those who contributed to that hush money payment!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:42:48pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention all the commandments to love and care for the stranger among you.

Those are in the liberal Scriptures, though. Conservative Scriptures edit those out.

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MsJ  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:42:49pm

re: #346 TedStriker

it’s edited (though it’s still funny); if you notice when Trump walks in, it appears to be school-age kids, somewhere in 1st to maybe 3rd grade, but the cut to the screaming kids shows older preschoolers, maybe pre-K or even kindergarten kids. Plus, the walls are a different color (white with a bulletin board covered in blue paper, then the jump cut shows a room with blue walls)

Damn. Still funny as hell. 😈

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Teukka  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:44:57pm

re: #332 teleskiguy

Heh heh heh!

Generally in Colorado a double black is a trail that exceeds 45 degrees and/or has cliff terrain and other big obstacles.

IOW, an inclination and objects in the path which will at least make your ass pucker… I figured the characterstics of the trail would be something like that. Also, the “Gnarly Knob” point, how difficult is it to get to it, would you call it a black? Could it be that it is black because of the trail there?
It’s been decades since I stood on a pair of skis, and I prefer my trails horizontal (I love cross-country skiing (have a reputation as a Finn to live up to)), but I seem to recall that there were trails that would be red which would branch off into black, and as a side note, the blacks would regularly be closed due to avalanche risk.
And refreshing myself on my EU markings, they have triple blacks here in Scandinavia o.O

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:45:02pm

re: #348 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Those are in the liberal Scriptures, though. Conservative Scriptures edit those out.

Not so much “edit out” as “whitewash over”, usually by way of Franklin Graham’s YEAHBUT GOD COMMANDED TEH ISRAELITES TO DESTROY ALL FOREIGNERS WHO TRIED TO KILL THEM, THEREFORE DEATH TO THE TERRORISTS

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William Lewis  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:45:59pm

re: #342 The Vicious Babushka

Not to mention all the commandments to love and care for the stranger among you.

It drives me buggy when I hear people who are nominally Christian blather on about Judeo-Christian morality but won’t then take on the responsibility inherent in Deuteronomy “You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:48:49pm

re: #334 Weaselone

I like the New Testament scholars in the comments lecturing on Mary and Joseph not being refugees, because apparently they and their ministers never bothered to cover anything beyond the nativity.

Because people fleeing gov’t persecution to another country clearly are something else entirely. Tourists maybe?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:48:58pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:51:07pm

re: #348 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Those are in the liberal Scriptures, though. Conservative Scriptures edit those out.

Conservative Bible Project (Goes to Conservapedia)

They are rewriting the Bible to remove liberal bias. Many books are already completed.

I prefer the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible myself. Bought a print copy for my wife for Christmas a couple year ago. She loves it.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:51:33pm

re: #326 William Lewis

Hmmm. Looks familiar … ;) Yeah, it’s cool stuff that’s why I was looking for metal heads to share it with the other night. Great article about them on NPR the other day too.

how a mongolian heavy metal band got millions of youtube views

That’s how I found them. Also digging Tengger Cavalry.

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teleskiguy  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:52:31pm

re: #350 Teukka

IOW, an inclination and objects in the path which will at least make your ass pucker

Exactly.

And every ski area defines their green circles, blue squares, and black diamonds differently. A double black in Vail would be a single black or a blue in Jackson Hole.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:55:43pm

re: #355 Anymouse 🌹

Conservative Bible Project (Goes to Conservapedia)

They are rewriting the Bible to remove liberal bias. Many books are already completed.

I prefer the Skeptic’s Annotated Bible myself. Bought a print copy for my wife for Christmas a couple year ago. She loves it.

They being mostly Andy Schlafly, who knows no Latin, Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, and his command of English is tenuous at best. Andy is a kook. Not one of my alma mater’s finer products, I must say.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:56:33pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 7:56:58pm

re: #352 William Lewis

It drives me buggy when I hear people who are nominally Christian blather on about Judeo-Christian morality but won’t then take on the responsibility inherent in Deuteronomy “You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

That’s the Old Covenant (tm, bash the gays).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:00:48pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:03:36pm

No they don’t.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:04:50pm

re: #281 Citizen K

I’m sure when the Founders were putting the Constitution together they were thinking, “We really have to make sure that ignorant, vicious assholes are over-represented in this new country of ours.”

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TedStriker  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:05:39pm

re: #362 Anymouse 🌹

No they don’t.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:07:46pm

An example of Christians who know their holy book so well they can bash us atheists with it.

There are many like that in the thread. Apparently they forget the whole part about “Fled Herod to Egypt to avoid having their son killed, as told by an angel.”

I’m an atheist and I know this. According to the Gospels, they were refugees in Egypt.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:07:58pm

This is actually pretty savvy by Trump’s team in a way to deflect. Many of us have long thought that even pre9/11 America was buying “blowback” in Chalmers Johnson’s words by being too forward militarily. I would welcome a well-considered draw down. We have to think about that. But that is not what Trump is doing. He’s leaving allies vulnerable. That’s why we have to stay for the time being.

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garzooma  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:11:13pm

re: #295 Ace Rothstein

My theory on Trump and the wall bullshit: He has no way out. He’s going to declare an emergency knowing there will be an immediate injunction filed and then it will make its way through the legal pipeline for the next year. It’ll go to SCOTUS and they will shoot him down. […]

How about SCOTUS allows it, but it takes so long to get through the pipeline that by then President Warren can use emergency powers to implement Single Payer.

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freetoken  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:11:38pm

re: #365 Anymouse 🌹

DakotaFash is a self-proclaimed “white nationalist”, so what can we expect but derp?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:15:14pm

re: #368 freetoken

DakotaFash is a self-proclaimed “white nationalist”, so what can we expect but derp?

That’s true, but it isn’t just that person. A whole lot of conservatives hold the same view.

They plainly haven’t read the Bible.

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freetoken  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:17:04pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹

.

They plainly haven’t read the Bible.

They believe whatever they want to believe.

This has always been the problem.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:18:04pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹

For example:

There’s plenty more. They aren’t all overt fascists.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:19:07pm

re: #369 Anymouse 🌹

That’s true, but it isn’t just that person. A whole lot of conservatives hold the same view.

They plainly haven’t read the Bible.

They read, but do not understand. The prophets and Jesus tried to make them understand, but failed then, too.

So it goes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:19:51pm

re: #221 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He’s read 30 whole books!

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for me 30 whole books was one trimester at Pitt in the 70s. That was what I really enjoyed from college—being exposed to ideas, literature and the arts from all over the world.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:20:35pm

re: #371 Anymouse 🌹

I quoted Matthew 2 in that thread. We’ll see if any of them pay attention.

Their trouble is they don’t see the word “refugees” in Scripture, so therefore J and M were not refugees. We’re dealing with people who are concrete thinkers here. Jumping to a modest level of abstraction is beyond their ability.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:21:27pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:29:21pm
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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:31:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:36:05pm

re: #362 Anymouse 🌹

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:36:40pm
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Weaselone  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:37:12pm

re: #377 jaunte

Even better. In the article, one of the false positives resolved the issue by changing his name. So all an actual terrorist needs to do is change their name.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:38:04pm
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Ace Rothstein  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:50:15pm

Yo, Clemson coach. God didn’t have a single thing to do with your victory tonight.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:52:09pm

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LastYearsMan  Jan 7, 2019 • 8:54:00pm

re: #320 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

My nights clubbing in Ulaanbaatar were some of the most fun ever. Great music, great people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:00:02pm

re: #358 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

They being mostly Andy Schlafly, who knows no Latin, Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic, and his command of English is tenuous at best. Andy is a kook. Not one of my alma mater’s finer products, I must say.

Andy’s bio at Rationalwiki, including hilarious examples of his notoriously bad grammar and syntax. He has none of his mother’s charisma or mental agility and all of her evil. It’s as though Phyllis Schlafly and one of the Hunt brothers got together and……..Oh wait. That’s actually possible. Phyllis was a looker in her younger days, a professional model, and all the Hunts were noted horndogs even by Texas rich-guy standards. They were also among her earliest supporters.

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:01:31pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:01:38pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:06:15pm

(video, 2:19)

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jaunte  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:08:23pm

DoJ twitter account apparently being operated as Stephen Miller’s anti-Mexican propaganda service during the shutdown.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:13:23pm

re: #385 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Andy’s bio at Rationalwiki, including hilarious example of his notoriously bad grammar and syntax. He has none of his mother’s charisma or mental agility and all of her evil. It’s as though Phyllis Schlafly and one of the Hunt brothers got together and……..Oh wait. That’s actually possible. Phyllis was a looker in her younger days, a professional model, and all the Hunts were noted horndogs even by Texas rich-guy standards. They were also among her earliest supporters.

I worked with one of his sisters in college. She’s not at all like him, even now. Andy must have had some trauma in his life to be so batshit crazy.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:32:21pm

re: #384 LastYearsMan

My nights clubbing in Ulaanbaatar were some of the most fun ever. Great music, great people.

This calls for explanation.

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Belafon  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:42:02pm

re: #376 jaunte

The only way it would upstage Trump would be to happen after. It should probably come out Wednesday morning.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:42:45pm

Update on Rahaf:

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austin_blue  Jan 7, 2019 • 9:46:59pm

I am overjoyed to see that Clemson beat Alabama. ‘Bama and the Patriots are the two teams I hope lose at the end of any season. C’mon LA Bolts!

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:00:32pm

Staying up to catch the rerun of Rachel and she is talking about this NY Times Opinion piece calling for the immediate ouster of Trump as President.

It came out Friday. Was this mentioned here…I do not remember it as I think this would have caused some commentary here?

It is by David Leonhardt. I guess he is a conservative columnist at The Times.

New York Times - Opinion - The People vs. Donald J. Trump

He is demonstrably unfit for office. What are we waiting for?

The presidential oath of office contains 35 words and one core promise: to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Since virtually the moment Donald J. Trump took that oath two years ago, he has been violating it.

He has repeatedly put his own interests above those of the country. He has used the presidency to promote his businesses. He has accepted financial gifts from foreign countries. He has lied to the American people about his relationship with a hostile foreign government. He has tolerated cabinet officials who use their position to enrich themselves.

To shield himself from accountability for all of this — and for his unscrupulous presidential campaign — he has set out to undermine the American system of checks and balances. He has called for the prosecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies. He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the public’s confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary.

The unrelenting chaos that Trump creates can sometimes obscure the big picture. But the big picture is simple: The United States has never had a president as demonstrably unfit for the office as Trump. And it’s becoming clear that 2019 is likely to be dominated by a single question: What are we going to do about it?

The easy answer is to wait — to allow the various investigations of Trump to run their course and ask voters to deliver a verdict in 2020. That answer has one great advantage. It would avoid the national trauma of overturning an election result. Ultimately, however, waiting is too dangerous. The cost of removing a president from office is smaller than the cost of allowing this president to remain.

…and there is a lot more to the article…a lot more!

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:02:08pm

re: #395 ObserverArt

They talked about it on NPR… I caught it driving somewhere. I was cheering as I drove.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:06:21pm

re: #395 ObserverArt

It’s been popping up on Twitter, mostly from anti-Trump accounts. The loyalists have been pointedly ignoring it and the truths contained therein.

I would not characterize Leonhardt as conservative, though.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:10:56pm

re: #395 ObserverArt

Staying up to catch the rerun of Rachel and she is talking about this NY Times Opinion piece calling for the immediate ouster of Trump as President.

It came out Friday. Was this mentioned here…I do not remember it as I think this would have caused some commentary here.

It is by David Leonhardt. I guess he is a conservative columnist at The Times.

New York Times - Opinion - The People vs. Donald J. Trump

David Leonhardt in his own words: My politics are left of center. But I’m also to the right of many Times readers.

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piratedan  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:12:19pm

just did a tour of the websites of the “metro” areas TV websites that comprise some of Southern our border cities (San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, Laredo and Brownsville) and strangely enough, none of them are listing any news regarding a crisis at the border… but there were articles about Trump’s travels and his statements that there IS a border crisis and some of them go on to state that there is SPECIFICALLY no border crisis.

Now its plainly obvious that even the local media outlets are in cahoots with the MSM big lies and fake news process, obviously they are insidious in their reach in order to prevent the truth from getting out…. /////////////////////////

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:20:56pm

My letter pushing back on my state senator just appeared in my regional newspaper.

starherald.com

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:23:27pm

I watched the Rachel Maddow - D Leonhardt interview.

I agreed with much of what he said.

But, truthfully, I have difficulty finding any patience with the NYT. It suppressed information about the Trump family that it should have divulged in 2015. It is slowly divulging this information now. But during the interim, this suppression has allowed the administration to cause multiple deaths and ruin hundreds if not thousands of lives.

My view is that Trump by closing down the government is attacking it.

By declaring a State of Emergency, he is attacking the Constitution. He probably has one more step available to escalate here, some sort of Reichstag Fire style incident.

When he needs to escalate beyond that, he has nothing left but to create an existential threat. A war some place seems most likely. In 2016 the options seemed to be North Korea or Iran. It looks like North Korea is off the table. Most likely due to what would happen to Tokyo and Seoul.

I hope that I am wrong about how far Trump is willing to go.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:24:06pm

re: #399 piratedan

just did a tour of the websites of the “metro” areas TV websites that comprise some of Southern our border cities (San Diego, Tucson, El Paso, Laredo and Brownsville) and strangely enough, none of them are listing any news regarding a crisis at the border… but there were articles about Trump’s travels and his statements that there IS a border crisis and some of them go on to state that there is SPECIFICALLY no border crisis.

Now its plainly obvious that even the local media outlets are in cahoots with the MSM big lies and fake news process, obviously they are insidious in their reach in order to prevent the truth from getting out…. /////////////////////////

Kinda like how local media in Malmö Sweden are not reporting on the massacres of local people by crazed Islamist radicals. That’s been one of the themes of RWNJ Twitter recently.

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ObserverArt  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:25:31pm

re: #397 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s been popping up on Twitter, mostly from anti-Trump accounts. The loyalists have been pointedly ignoring it and the truths contained therein.

I would not characterize Leonhardt as conservative, though.

On Maddow he referred to himself as a “small c conservative.”

I am unfamiliar with him, that is why I said “I guess.”

Here is some of the interview with Rachel.

This YouTube is her whole show, but I set it to play when she discusses the article with Leonhardt.

Rachel Maddow Show 1/7/19 [FULL] - Rachel Maddow Show January 7 2019

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:26:32pm

re: #400 Anymouse 🌹

My letter pushing back on my state senator just appeared in my regional newspaper.

starherald.com

Nice letter. Do not know if it was the case that the newspaper pruned your letter. But even if so, your letter spoke clearly and thoughtfully. Glad you fact checked the bs. Shame the paper had not done so.

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austin_blue  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:26:37pm

Look, if he says that border wall funding is a “national security” issue he will have to justify it.

Full stop.

That’s a heavy row to hoe. It would redefine what a “national security” issue is. It’s not 9/11. It’s not not Iran pushing toward developing nukes. It’s not even Chinese theft of intellectual property.

It’s people showing up and asking for asylum.

The whole concept of designating what is happening on the border a “national security” issue is absurd. It’s not a security issue. It’s a policy issue. Those aren’t invaders, they’re unaccompanied kids and terrified families.

We used to be better than this. We used to be Americans.

What happened to us?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:27:42pm

re: #401 ckkatz

I hoping that his address will be his usual bluster about the Wall and Democrats and no collusion, in the hope of getting his base lathered up, and not an announcement to the American public that the Republic has been canceled until further notice.

Because of time zone differences, I get to hear (or hear about) his TV address in the morning my time. Great way to start the day!

Not

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:30:49pm

I’m truly scared of how tomorrow will play out. I fear he will declare a state of emergency and adjourn the House of Representatives. Mc Connell adjourns the Senate sine die and then Nancy and the Democrats turn around and vote out articles of impeachment. With McConnell refusing to reverse his sine die adjournment things will spin out of control.

This would give Putin the cover to grab Ukraine and Lithuania.

Been gaming this scenario out all day and it’s getting me more scared with each passing second!

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:33:07pm

re: #407 Joe Bacon 🌹

Deep breath. Unclench your jaw and your shoulders!

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:34:12pm

re: #406 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I guess that Trump double affects you. Both as a US expat and as an expat living in China.

By the way, thanks for the info and thoughts on China from the thread yesterday!

Weird question for you. As you mentioned, most of the original Chinese immigrants were from the more southerly parts of China. Where, I assume, rice is the main grain. Is/are there wheat or sorghum based cuisines in Northern China/Manchuria?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:34:28pm

re: #404 ckkatz

Nice letter. Do not know if it was the case that the newspaper pruned your letter. But even if so, your letter spoke clearly and thoughtfully. Glad you fact checked the bs. Shame the paper had not done so.

No, they printed my whole letter (and corrected a spelling error to boot).

Sen. Erdman was all over the map in his opinion piece, so I picked out one issue (his claim traffic fatalities involving maryjane were up 100%) and tore that apart.

A couple days ago a letter was published from a fellow in Bellevue (a suburb of Omaha) saying Erdman was fear-mongering. He attacked a different point from Erdman’s opinion piece.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:35:50pm

re: #408 retired cynic

Deep breath. Unclench your jaw and your shoulders!

Yep — let’s wait for the speech before we panic. Of course, I will be following it here or on twitter (where would you recommend online) and not listening to him: cannot stand his voice or anything he says.

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retired cynic  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:37:06pm

re: #411 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep — let’s wait for the speech before we panic. Of course, I will be following it here or on twitter (where would you recommend online) and not listening to him: cannot stand his voice or anything he says.

Ditto. Or looking at him.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:39:23pm

re: #409 ckkatz

I guess that Trump double affects you. Both as a US expat and as an expat living in China.

By the way, thanks for the info and thoughts on China from the thread yesterday!

Weird question for you. As you mentioned, most of the original Chinese immigrants were from the more southerly parts of China. Where, I assume, rice is the main grain. Is/are there wheat or sorghum based cuisines in Northern China/Manchuria?

In fact, there is the great rice/noodle divide in China. Southerners tend to favor rice, as the climate and terrain favor its cultivation, while northerners tend to prefer wheat noodles, since wheat grows better in the colder latitudes than rice. Noodles are also made from rice, potatoes, and sweet potatoes, but wheat noodles are most common. Sorghum, AFAIK, only enters cuisine as one foundation for baijiu (Chinese firewater), and not as a grain. At least, I have never eaten anything here made from sorghum.

OTOH, I did have sorghum syrup when I lived in western Kentucky. It’s a bit like molasses.

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:40:32pm

re: #407 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m truly scared of how tomorrow will play out. I fear he will declare a state of emergency and adjourn the House of Representatives. Mc Connell adjourns the Senate sine die and then Nancy and the Democrats turn around and vote out articles of impeachment. With McConnell refusing to reverse his sine die adjournment things will spin out of control.

This would give Putin the cover to grab Ukraine and Lithuania.

Been gaming this scenario out all day and it’s getting me more scared with each passing second!

I would suspect that additional territorial seizures in Ukraine are pretty much a given at this point. The Russian Army has already moved up and deployed it’s combat resources for this task. I am further guessing that it will be another bite rather than all of the Ukraine.

And Russia has been active in parts of former Yugoslavia. Particularly in areas where Muslim majority areas have been partitioned off Serbia, leaving a restless Serbian minority. Analysts are expecting some moves in that region.

Also remember that removing 5-6 billion in currently programmed Pentagon funding for a ‘wall’ is not going to help military readiness.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:42:22pm

re: #409 ckkatz

As long as there is a country called the USA that will support my passport, I’ll be OK. I’m too low profile a person for China to arrest or detain me in retaliation for Canada extraditing that Huawei exec.

However, it’s becoming more clear to me why some expats try very hard to obtain second passports.

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:51:37pm

re: #415 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

As long as there is a country called the USA that will support my passport, I’ll be OK. I’m too low profile a person for China to arrest or detain me in retaliation for Canada extraditing that Huawei exec.

However, it’s becoming more clear to me why some expats try very hard to obtain second passports.

From what I understand you are saying, it sounds like the turmoil has been at the political echelons. And that the Chinese in general are still welcoming of Americans. And people recognizing that everybody is still “human” is definitely a very good thing.

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.”
- Mark Twain

edit - added double quotes to the quote

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 7, 2019 • 10:51:40pm

re: #415 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

As long as there is a country called the USA that will support my passport, I’ll be OK. I’m too low profile a person for China to arrest or detain me in retaliation for Canada extraditing that Huawei exec.

However, it’s becoming more clear to me why some expats try very hard to obtain second passports.

Be safe.

As large a country as China is, I doubt they would go after a non-descript American unless that person committed an actual crime.

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ckkatz  Jan 7, 2019 • 11:05:49pm

re: #413 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

In fact, there is the great rice/noodle divide in China. Southerners tend to favor rice, as the climate and terrain favor its cultivation, while northerners tend to prefer wheat noodles, since wheat grows better in the colder latitudes than rice. Noodles are also made from rice, potatoes, and sweet potatoes, but wheat noodles are most common. Sorghum, AFAIK, only enters cuisine as one foundation for baijiu (Chinese firewater), and not as a grain. At least, I have never eaten anything here made from sorghum.

OTOH, I did have sorghum syrup when I lived in western Kentucky. It’s a bit like molasses.

“Great rice/noodle divide” - I’d not heard that before, it’s quite descriptive!

And your mention of baiju reminds me that I need to learn more of Chinese alcoholic drink traditions. Of which I know little. I have heard that the Chinese business class has been showing great interest in European wines. But I know zilch of Chinese traditional winemaking. I assume that there is a Chinese beermaking industry. And baiju sounds like a distilled alcohol.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 11:05:50pm

re: #416 ckkatz

From what I understand you are saying, it sounds like the turmoil has been at the political echelons. And that the Chinese in general are still welcoming of Americans. And people recognizing that everybody is still “human” is definitely a very good thing.

“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things can not be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one’s lifetime.”
- Mark Twain

edit - added double quotes to the quote

At this point, my only concern is the foreign experts bureau deciding that I’m too old for a work permit and thus a residence permit, which would just about end my teaching career in China. I have never had any troubles from the people of China, who by and large welcome foreigners, especially foreigners who stay more than one year and take the time to learn at least some Chinese.

And Twain was right. If more people traveled beyond their normal milieu, they might perhaps be more tolerant of others and understand that there are many more ways to live than they do.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 7, 2019 • 11:18:06pm

re: #418 ckkatz

“Great rice/noodle divide” - I’d not heard that before, it’s quite descriptive!

And your mention of baiju reminds me that I need to learn more of Chinese alcoholic drink traditions. Of which I know little. I have heard that the Chinese business class has been showing great interest in European wines. But I know zilch of Chinese traditional winemaking. I assume that there is a Chinese beermaking industry. And baiju sounds like a distilled alcohol.

Beer in the global sense of the word has been in China since 1900 or so, when Russians set up a brewery in Harbin and Germans set up one in Qingdao (Tsingtao). Now there are several regional brands and an increasing number of craft breweries.

Grape wine has been in China for thousands of years, but was only enjoyed at the imperial level. Since 2000 though, some national vineyards, assisted by French advisors, have been producing some surprisingly good wines, mostly reds. And as you mention, now wealthy Chinese have become interested in fancy imported labels. One of my former students now has a cushy job working for a French importer in Beijing.

Baijiu is distilled liquor made from a variety of grains, and can be either smooth as silk or as harsh as paint stripper, depending on aging and quality (and price). Traditionally, baijiu is drunk with meals and like Russian vodka each cup must be drained after each toast, leading to quick inebriation if you’re not used to it. Nixon reportedly got pretty sloshed drinking baijiu with Mao and Zhou during his historic visit. In the USA, Moutai is the most common brand.

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uriel  Jan 7, 2019 • 11:32:37pm

Let’s be honest:

Tomorrow night, Trump is going to take a dump on the constitution, 2 1/2 centuries of precedent, and the wishes of the majority of the citizenry who loathe him, and declare himself de-facto dictator of the most powerful nation on earth, based on a shitty reality show.

And his followers will turn their Dunning-Kruger sycophancy dials up to “orgasim X 11.11ty.” And the media will scurry furiously to do their NPR best at pretending there is actually two valid sides to all of this, while washing their hands in their complicity born out of fear. And the republican party will pretend this is all not just normal, but laudatory.

And then, the world as we know it ends. Not with a bang or a whimper, but with a bad comb-over and a shitty spray on tan.

Fuck, I’m tired.


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