In the Trump Era, Rep. Steve King Has Gone Full-on White Supremacist

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Let’s face it, Steve King’s racism has never been a secret. He’s always been one of the most blatant bigots in the crowded Republican stable, although he made an effort to obfuscate it, at least a little bit.

But in this new profile at the New York Times, he’s dropped even the flimsiest mask and come all the way out as a white supremacist.

Literally. In his own words.

“White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” Mr. King said. “Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?”

The voters of Iowa have put this man in Congress nine times.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:41:05am
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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:42:00am

He’s a white supremacist.

That makes his constituents who back him for 18 years…. white supremacists. White nationalists?

Goddamned Nazi-curious?

Yeah, this is the deplorable bigot brigade Hillary warned the nation about and who Trump tapped into early and often. Trump’s not the cause. He’s the symptom of the moral rot of the GOP that actively solicits and panders to white nationalists and goddamned Nazis and bigots of all stripes.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:42:58am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:43:24am

report from the corrals at the Dopey

Klys and I found each other at 4am in a sea of people walking to their fate.

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stay tuned. more to come

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:43:32am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

No way that dumbass even knows what intransigence means.

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Chrysicat  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:43:56am

CL’d:

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:43:56am

Speaking of Mueller, had anyone sighted Hope Hicks lately?

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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:47:04am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:48:07am

Has Fox “news” started labeling him as “Steve King (D-IA)” yet?

Wait for it….

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:51:14am

Benny is having sadz over Steve KKKing:

Want to know why? Let us not forget Benny’s fap piece about Steve KKKing in 2017 (which has been updated today): Media Accuse Rep. Steve King (R-IA) Of Racism. They’re Lying. Read His Actual Words.

UPDATE

On January 10, 2019, Rep. Steve King (R-IA) reportedly stated, “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” In light of those statements, this article gave far too generous an interpretation of King’s words. As I stated in the article, there were two ways to interpret his statements. His later open embrace of the terms “white nationalist” and “white supremacist” suggest that the first interpretation described below was not as implausible as it seemed at the time.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:52:05am
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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:55:28am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:56:45am

This is today:
Texas county Republicans to vote on removing Muslim American vice chair

Many Texas Republican leaders including Sen. Ted Cruz have condemned efforts to oust Shahid Shafi, who has denied allegations he favors Shariah law.

It’s a disgrace that it even came to this. The instigator, Dopey O’Brien, is a theocratic nutcase.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:57:21am

re: #2 lawhawk

The correct term for people who knowingly elect ethnic supremacists is Evil People.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:57:35am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Actually…

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:57:38am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:58:29am

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Many top Texas Republicans including U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz and Land Commissioner George P. Bush are discomfited by their supporters’ tendency to say the quiet parts out loud.”

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:59:42am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:00:53am

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Ben Shapiro tomorrow:

“Look at all the snowflake Left getting snowflakey about congressman defending Western civilization.”

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Teukka  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:02:38am

So this caught my eye in the local press… It’s rare that Swedish newspapers run english language stories:

US trans activist seeks asylum in Sweden due to Trump

US transgender activist Danni Askini is seeking asylum in Sweden.
She fled Seattle six months ago, after being subjected to numerous death threats by right wing extremists.
The US state department is now questioning Askini’s citizenship, with reference to her change in gender that was completed 19 years ago.
“The Trump administration has run me out of my own country”, Askini said.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:04:30am

And just 3 short days ago the entire right-wing cult were losing their minds because someone said “mother fucker” in public.

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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:06:48am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:07:26am

That roar you hear is Iowa’s 13,000 Civil War dead collectively turning over in their graves.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:09:47am

re: #22 jaunte

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The year is 2018 and an American Congressman is actively advocating for building an enormous electric fence across the US/Mexico border.

I want off this planet!

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:10:11am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:10:55am
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:12:23am

re: #22 jaunte

He can only run one wire, and he’s only allowed a post at each end.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:12:46am
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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:13:00am

re: #24 Targetpractice

The year is 2018 and an American Congressman is actively advocating for building an enormous electric fence across the US/Mexico border.

I want off this planet!

Naaah, I want him off.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:14:44am

re: #29 Belafon

Naaah, I want him off.

So you’re saying we should get his ass to Mars?

/

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:15:11am

re: #25 makeitstop

Yep.

I’ve read elsewhere that TSA workers have been sporadically calling in sick - after all, they’re not getting paid.

Just wait until the air traffic controllers start calling it in.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:16:41am
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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:16:45am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:17:27am

re: #32 Charles Johnson

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Pretty much.

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:18:34am

re: #24 Targetpractice

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mmmirele  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:22:09am

Has anyone asked the question as to why the very white states of Iowa and New Hampshire should have such an overwhelming influence on presidential politics? I’m not sure Iowa’s 4th congressional district is representative of the nation as a whole.

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:23:06am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:24:52am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:24:53am

re: #26 Charles Johnson

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I’m not going to bother calling them conservatives any more (because they have nothing in common with the actual philosophy of conservatism); nor will I call them Republicans. They are Trumpists. There is a Trump Party; and then there is the rest of us.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:25:42am

Yesterday was Richard Nixon’s 106th birthday.

One of the more depressing things about the Trump horror is how much he has lowered the bar for national leadership. Nixon looks great comparison. Paranoid crook and warmonger though he was, he at least didn’t sell us out to a foreign power.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:27:31am

I’ll take “Hell No!” for 400, Alex…

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:28:22am

re: #40 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Yesterday was Richard Nixon’s 106th birthday.

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One of the more depressing things about the Trump horror is how much he has lowered the bar for national leadership. Nixon looks great comparison. Paranoid crook and warmonger though he was, he at least didn’t sell us out to a foreign power.

His preserved head will laugh at us forever on Futurama.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:28:54am

re: #39 Scottish Dragon

I’m not going to bother calling them conservatives any more (because they have nothing in common with the actual philosophy of conservatism); nor will I call them Republicans. They are Trumpists. There is a Trump Party; and then there is the rest of us.

White Nationalists. They are a party of white nationalists. They are a party by and for white guys (the rich benefit, and the poor are marks for the rich to use as pawns to get more tax cuts on the backs of everyone else).

Trump capitalized on the white nationalist policies and went more explicit.

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:28:59am

re: #36 mmmirele

Has anyone asked the question as to why the very white states of Iowa and New Hampshire should have such an overwhelming influence on presidential politics? I’m not sure Iowa’s 4th congressional district is representative of the nation as a whole.

I’m sure all these parts are simply incidental far as that. Not at all a way to ensure ‘Real America’ has the real influence in politics.

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:29:02am

re: #41 Scottish Dragon

Temporary DACA? Fuck that and fuck them for even trying to pull that shit.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:29:24am

re: #28 Charles Johnson

ahh.. the old racist notion of the “Western Civilization” fallacy -as if there were such a homogeneous thing. Try telling an Italian he’s the same culture as a Swede. “Western Civilization” is the lazy intellectual path to racism.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:29:56am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:32:05am

Now I have Floyd songs on my mind.

Hey you, standing in the aisles with itching feet and fading smiles, can you feel me?
Hey you, out beyond the wall, throwing bottles in the hall, can you help me?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:32:11am

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:32:40am
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:32:57am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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OMG no!

JFC are you kidding me??!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:34:37am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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Gah.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:34:51am
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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:34:57am

re: #41 Scottish Dragon

I’ll take “Hell No!” for 400, Alex…

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3 year extension, which is practically a plea to let them kick this particular can down the road until either Trump is out of office or has been reelected and so they feel less pressured to actually make deals that he’ll approve.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:35:19am

re: #51 Scottish Dragon

OMG no!

JFC are you kidding me??!

Visitors Chainsaw Iconic Joshua Trees in National Park During Gov’t Shutdown

There is a special place in Hell for these people.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:35:34am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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I’m expecting to read about vigilante action against park vandals any time now.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:35:35am

re: #51 Scottish Dragon

There’s a reason that past shutdowns involved actually shuttering the parks. Because some people would take advantage and vandalize sites, steal stuff, etc.

Damaging Joshua trees is just one thing that they’ve done.

I imagine they might be stealing saguaros from Saguaro NP in Arizona too, because those can be sold on the market for quite a tidy sum by unscrupulous landscapers. The park took to microchipping some of the bigger cacti, but with the shutdown, who knows…

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:35:43am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

This is like going to Stonehenge and knocking down the stones so you can get a better view of the area.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:35:57am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’m expecting to read about vigilante action against park vandals any time now.

Thoughts and prayers

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:36:19am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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The people who do this are almost certainly Trump fans.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:37:20am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

The people who do this are almost certainly Trump fans.

“They’re only trees, libtard. “

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:38:12am

re: #57 lawhawk

I’m sure that vandalizing and looting the National Parks is a few extra sprinkles on his sundae. He wants to sell off the parks anyway.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:38:33am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

“They’re only trees, libtard. “

“Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.”
~Ann Coulter (actual quote)

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Jack Burton  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:39:17am

re: #41 Scottish Dragon

I’ll take “Hell No!” for 400, Alex…

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I’d push for full DACA and complete reinstatement of Obamacare. Write the legislation so the money for the project is taken out of the DOD budget, and is not set to take effect until 2020 and stage 1 being: Upgrade existing portions of the border wall and fences.

Then 5 minutes after Clownstick is perp-walked out of office, repeal the wall and move the money from it to add the public option to the ACA.

This solves like… 4 or 5 things at once and is shaped like a giant middle finger as well.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:39:22am

re: #62 plansbandc

I’m sure that vandalizing and looting the National Parks is a few extra sprinkles on his sundae. He wants to sell off the parks anyway.

“Think of what people would pay us to harvest those trees!”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:40:08am

re: #63 Dr. Matt

“Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It’s yours.”
~Ann Coulter (actual quote)

Why anyone thinks that fucked up woman is a voice of reason on anything is beyond me. Her corpse won’t be worth my piss when she dies.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:40:56am

re: #56 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’m expecting to read about vigilante action against park vandals any time now.

I’ll be honest….I’d seriously consider it if I still lived in Yucaipa. JTNM was one of my favorite places to go.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:42:59am

re: #62 plansbandc

The GOP expresses cognitive dissonance when it comes to the parks and federal lands.

On the one hand, they and their constituents benefit from the parks and the millions of visitors they bring to those states. Those parks are a huge economic engine - bigger than if some mining company tore up lands and profited for themselves. They employ more people and protecting the environment for future use and enjoyment means those benefits persist. Once the mines are tapped out, that’s it. You’ve ruined the land and you have to deal with the pollution.

On the other, they want to sell of those lands to private companies to exploit, and which wont generate the wealth that the parks do. Their states would be poorer for it.

This is part of the sentiment behind the sovcits movement too - where they don’t believe the government can or should own that land, and that they can do what they want with it. It’s strongest in the western states, like Nevada, where the feds own more land by percentage of state land mass than elsewhere.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:43:28am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

The people who do this are almost certainly Trump fans.

I was thinking the same thing. The four wheeling dudebro crowd trends real heavy MAGA.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:44:16am

For the record, the DNC offered Trump five times what he’s seeking in exchange for a pathway to citizenship for Dreamers just last year. Now the Congressional GOP, just to get the DNC on record as approving wall funding period, are offering a 3 years extension on DACA with no guarantee of future extensions or a resolution.

Yeah, fuck no. Citizenship or bust.

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:44:45am

re: #68 lawhawk

The GOP expresses cognitive dissonance when it comes to the parks and federal lands.

On the one hand, they and their constituents benefit from the parks and the millions of visitors they bring to those states. Those parks are a huge economic engine - bigger than if some mining company tore up lands and profited for themselves. They employ more people and protecting the environment for future use and enjoyment means those benefits persist. Once the mines are tapped out, that’s it. You’ve ruined the land and you have to deal with the pollution.

On the other, they want to sell of those lands to private companies to exploit, and which wont generate the wealth that the parks do. Their states would be poorer for it.

This is part of the sentiment behind the sovcits movement too - where they don’t believe the government can or should own that land, and that they can do what they want with it. It’s strongest in the western states, like Nevada, where the feds own more land by percentage of state land mass than elsewhere.

It’s almost like gov’t owns a lot of that land to avoid people from over-grazing/mining it and turning it into the New Dust Bowl permanently.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:46:56am
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Jack Burton  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:47:23am

re: #68 lawhawk

This is part of the sentiment behind the sovcits movement too - where they don’t believe the government can or should own that land, and that they can do what they want with it.

My favorite part is when they offer the part of the Constitution that authorizes the Government to own land as proof that the government can’t own land.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:47:49am

Another reason immigration (legal or otherwise) is rather important... we don’t make enough babies, and haven’t since the early 70s:

Overall, the total fertility rate for the United States in 2017 was 1,765.5 per 1,000 women, which was 16% below what is considered the level needed for a population to replace itself: 2,100 births per 1,000 women, according to the report.

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The report also showed differences in total fertility rates by race: Among non-Hispanic white women, no states had a fertility rate above the replacement level; among non-Hispanic black women, 12 states did; and among Hispanic women, 29 states did.

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For instance, between 2007 and 2017, total fertility rates in the United States fell 12% in rural counties, 16% in suburban counties and 18% in large metro counties, according to a separate CDC data brief released in October.

Additionally, provisional data on births that the CDC published in May noted that the nationwide total fertility rate “has generally been below replacement since 1971.”

As Boomers continue to age out of the work force, having no one to replace them is going to hurt the economy. Just ask Japan.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:50:19am

re: #71 Citizen K

It’s almost like gov’t owns a lot of that land to avoid people from over-grazing/mining it and turning it into the New Dust Bowl permanently.

That is the whole self destructive impulse behind unrestrained free market thinking. Destroy something and then move on.

Drive Bluefin Tuna to the brink of extinction? Who cares, the market price is even higher! Passenger Pigeons all dead? Kill something to put on your hat! Mine all played out? Leave the slag and toxic leach ponds to kill the local population while you declare bankruptcy and run with the cash and open up shop 30 miles away under a new name…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:50:26am

re: #60 Charles Johnson

The people who do this are almost certainly Trump fans.

The Bundy gang do this all of the time

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:51:45am

re: #74 KGxvi

Another reason immigration (legal or otherwise) is rather important... we don’t make enough babies, and haven’t since the early 70s:

As Boomers continue to age out of the work force, having no one to replace them is going to hurt the economy. Just ask Japan.

Rod Dreher and the radical traditionalists insist this is why we shouldn’t have that sinful birth control and no homo marriage.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:51:53am

THERE IS A TWEET FOR EVERYTHING

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:52:58am

Pro tip!

If you see a tweet with a video embedded in it, you can usually include that video in a tweet of your own by adding /video/1 to the end of the tweet’s URL.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:53:36am

re: #77 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher and the radical traditionalists insist this is why we shouldn’t have that sinful birth control and no homo marriage.

At this rate, they’re just gonna skip that shit and go straight dystopian future in instituting breeding programs and population control. “We must ensure the future of the white race!”

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:54:28am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Thank you. I still suck at most of this internetting. After 20 years, I should be better. Alas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:55:08am

re: #39 Scottish Dragon

I’m not going to bother calling them conservatives any more (because they have nothing in common with the actual philosophy of conservatism); nor will I call them Republicans. They are Trumpists. There is a Trump Party; and then there is the rest of us.

Nope. They are conservatives, just as Evangelical Christians are still Christian.

Not my job to clean their house.

Conservatism’s tenets have always been two: Conserve and gain power. That’s it.

Conservatives fought with the Crown in the Revolution.
Conservatives were the slaveholders.
Conservatives launched the Whiskey Rebellion against taxes.
Conservatives launched the Civil War to maintain property rights (owning people).
Conservatives imposed Jim Crow as soon as they got back in power.
Conservatives launched the 1st and 2nd Klans.
Conservatives launched trickle down economics in the XIX Century, and just keep rebranding it.
Conservatives opposed the New Deal, and do to this day.
Conservatives opposed desegregation of schools.
Conservatives opened Christian Academies (segregated private religious schools).
Conservatives opposed the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act.
Conservatives opposed equal rights for women, raising consent ages (along with their Libertarian fellow travelers).
Conservatives launched the Southern Strategy to win the White House.

All conservatives are doing is speaking the quiet parts out loud. The parts Lee Atwater said to keep quiet.

Every time someone says “no true conservative,” they get this list. (I have a different list for Christians, some of which overlaps.)

The parts which happened in my lifetime is desegregation of schools forward. As a white child, I was sent to a segregated white public white school in Maryland because they were still fighting desegregation in the courts (until my mother pulled me out and we went to Michigan). They were fighting desegregation of schools in Virginia Beach and Norfolk when I was stationed there in the Eighties.

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sagehen  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:56:42am

re: #46 Rocky-in-Connecticut

ahh.. the old racist notion of the “Western Civilization” fallacy -as if there were such a homogeneous thing. Try telling an Italian he’s the same culture as a Swede. “Western Civilization” is the lazy intellectual path to racism.

How to identify and/or define a “culture” —

is there a language?
is there a religion?
is there a cuisine?
is there a musical tradition?
is there iconic apparel?

French, Spanish, Italian, German, Swedish, Dutch, Irish, yes. These are all cultures.
European and/or white — no. It’s not.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:57:23am
85
Alephnaught  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:57:31am
White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?”

From previous thread:

Germany invading Poland might have had something to do with it.

///// (Not really)

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:58:54am

re: #84 Scottish Dragon

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“The more we say there’s a crisis, the better our chances of convincing the courts there is one! BRILLIANT!”

FFS

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:59:42am

re: #86 Targetpractice

“The more we say there’s a crisis, the better our chances of convincing the courts there is one! BRILLIANT!”

FFS

It should be fun to see that one laughed out of court.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:59:49am

re: #20 Teukka

So this caught my eye in the local press… It’s rare that Swedish newspapers run english language stories:

US trans activist seeks asylum in Sweden due to Trump

Already have my route and selected border crossing mapped out in the event I have to bug out. Can be in Canad in a little under twelve hours. It’s pretty fucking sad that I and others have had to make these plans.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:01:23pm
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:04:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:05:04pm

re: #88 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Already have my route and selected border crossing mapped out in the event I have to bug out. Can be in Canad in a little under twelve hours. It’s pretty fucking sad that I and others have had to make these plans.

I hate that this has to be even considered by when you have people like Trump and Mother’s Husband in the Exec Branch, I understand completely. We should be leaders on LGBT rights and indeed I think in the Obama years, we were.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:06:33pm

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:07:26pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

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The Wikipedia page for the actor who played ‘Trump’ has had an update.

In a May 1958 episode of the television series entitled Trackdown, he starred as a con man named Trump who promised he would save a town from destruction by building a wall. In recent times, the video clip of this series have gone viral due to its resemblance to real life Trump with his controversial policy

Heh.

Commenters over at TPM are also pointing out that he had a passing resemblance to Fred Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:07:48pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

yes
snopes.com

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:08:03pm

re: #82 Anymouse 🌹

Nope. They are conservatives, just as Evangelical Christians are still Christian.

I know what you are getting at and we want to avoid No True Scotsman, but what is going on now is reactionary populist nihilism, and is not really conservative at all. It has the same Utopian impulses of authoritarian movements over the last 230 years and that is anathema to (most) traditional conservative thinking.

As to modern Evangelical Christians, I firmly believe much of the movement has fallen into idolatry and heresy. I don’t use those words in an ironic Warhammer 40K meme sense. Good oped here from the Washington Post that also makes that point.

washingtonpost.com

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:09:25pm

Wow. I guess it is real. Stretches the boundaries of coincidence.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:09:31pm

re: #88 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Already have my route and selected border crossing mapped out in the event I have to bug out. Can be in Canad in a little under twelve hours. It’s pretty fucking sad that I and others have had to make these plans.

I’m a trans woman in NC spent 6 weeks with a loaded Chinese Kalashnikov rifle next to the bed a couple years ago. Things got real, real hot here.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:10:06pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

Yeah, it’s real. Crazy.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:10:12pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Wow. I guess it is real. Stretches the boundaries of coincidence.

Q set the whole thing up decades ago.

//

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:11:00pm

re: #99 bd(Redacted)

Q set the whole thing up decades ago.

//

Are we sure it wasn’t The Master instead?

//

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:11:01pm

Apparently Pompeo shit all over Obama in his speech today in Cairo.

What a wonderful administration.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:11:18pm

Yeah it does look legit. Strange as hell coincidence for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:11:37pm

re: #101 plansbandc

Apparently Pompeo shit all over Obama in his speech today in Cairo.

What a wonderful administration.

Pompeo can go to hell.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:11:38pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

We were. I started my transition at the start of Obama’s second term because I thought it was safe. Today,? Not so much. But after six years it’s a little to late to be having second thoughts.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:12:15pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

Showing how old I am. I remember Trackdown. It was Robert Culp’s first TV show!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:12:18pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Wow. I guess it is real. Stretches the boundaries of coincidence.

More evidence for the theory that we’re all living in the Matrix and the operating system is just recycling content.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:13:34pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

More evidence for the theory that we’re all living in the Matrix and the operating system is just recycling content.

Time to buy a new HDD.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:13:50pm

re: #95 Scottish Dragon

I know what you are getting at and we want to avoid No True Scotsman, but what is going on now is reactionary populist nihilism, and is not really conservative at all. It has the same Utopian impulses of authoritarian movements over the last 230 years and that is anathema to (most) traditional conservative thinking.

As to modern Evangelical Christians, I firmly believe much of the movement has fallen into idolatry and heresy. I don’t use those words in an ironic Warhammer 40K meme sense. Good oped here from the Washington Post that also makes that point.

And Evangelicals think Catholics and Mormons are idolators and No True Christians.

Protestants fought a war over this … something, for thirty years I believe.

Protestants came to New England and the first thing they did was impose a theocracy.

What part of my list of conservative greatest hits up there wasn’t true?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:13:56pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

More evidence for the theory that we’re all living in the Matrix and the operating system is just recycling content.

I just hope we get out of 10 year old Donald Trump’s dream about his early 70’s will be like.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:15:39pm

re: #95 Scottish Dragon

I know what you are getting at and we want to avoid No True Scotsman, but what is going on now is reactionary populist nihilism, and is not really conservative at all. It has the same Utopian impulses of authoritarian movements over the last 230 years and that is anathema to (most) traditional conservative thinking.

As to modern Evangelical Christians, I firmly believe much of the movement has fallen into idolatry and heresy. I don’t use those words in an ironic Warhammer 40K meme sense. Good oped here from the Washington Post that also makes that point.

washingtonpost.com

I think both of you are a bit right about this. I absolutely agree with AM that conservatism in this country and TBH in most of the world has been a flawed ideology and an impediment to progress by society but this like fascism was in the 20’s and 30’s is different IMO.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:15:40pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:17:13pm

In short, the name Trump was already associated with dishonesty and con men in the 1950s when this episode was written. It’s probably not really a coincidence at all.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:17:50pm

re: #97 Scottish Dragon

I’m a trans woman in NC spent 6 weeks with a loaded Chinese Kalashnikov rifle next to the bed a couple years ago. Things got real, real hot here.

It hasn’t gotten that bad here in Idaho (yet). Thankfully, while I live in Idaho, I work in Nevada, were there are anti-discrimination laws on the books that protect me.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:18:03pm

“GIVE ME THE WALL AND NO ONE GETS HURT”

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:18:50pm

re: #114 Patricia Kayden

“GIVE ME THE WALL AND NO ONE GETS HURT”

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As the guys on PSA are so keen to point out, Trump always shoots the hostage. That’s his only move.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:19:25pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

In short, the name Trump was already associated with dishonesty and con men in the 1950s when this episode was written. It’s probably not really a coincidence at all.

Yeah Fred Trump wasn’t an unknown quantity. Trump, Trump. It just sounds like a sleazy businessman or perhaps a sinister German commandant but I’d think you need to add Von Trump for that.
“Commandant Von Trump, ve found ze prisoners.”
“Good, they vill build mein vall.”
“But Commandant, zat’s against ze Geneva Convention.”
“Nevermind ze Geneva Conventions, I have a great brain.”

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:19:54pm

In addition to the Trackdown ep, there was a 1990 comic in Heavy Metal that was ludicrously prescient about the actual Trump himself.

Snopes: Did a 1990 Comic Depict Trump Coming to Power and Building a Wall?

In September 2017, there was renewed interest in a 1990 comic strip by the artist Peter Kuper, which appeared to preempt current events by featuring the construction of a large, controversial wall by Donald Trump, as well as a populist “rise to power” by the future United States President.

The artist Peter Kuper confirmed to us that the comic strip, titled “The Wall,” is authentic, and was published in Volume 14 Number 3 of Heavy Metal magazine in July 1990. Its existence has gained new interest because Trump began his 2016 presidential election campaign partially on the basis of a pledge to build a wall along the southern border of the United States.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:20:06pm

re: #113 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

It hasn’t gotten that bad here in Idaho (yet). Thankfully, while I live in Idaho, I work in Nevada, were there are anti-discrimination laws on the books that protect me.

Things like that are why I believe civil rights laws need to be federal. I’m glad to know Nevada has anti discriminatory laws though.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:20:16pm
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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:21:43pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

Gotta be real. Robert Kulp is the star, and (he later starred in I Spy with Bill Cosby), and that’s him for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:22:53pm

I apologize for my bad German intimidation. It’s more poking fun at how old time movies make German phonetics out to be. Though funnily enough, I think The Great Escape, a 56 year old movie and BBC’s Colditz from the early 70’s had very nuanced portrayals of the Germans in WWII.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:22:54pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

And Robert Culp was the main character of the show: imdb.com.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:22:55pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Things like that are why I believe civil rights laws need to be federal. I’m glad to know Nevada has anti discriminatory laws though.

Libertarians: The free market will punish bad actors, just like it did in Jim Crow. /s

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:06pm

re: #108 Anymouse 🌹

As a tribal practice here in America since WW2 conservatism has basically consisted of the premise that there are some people who are protected by the law and not constrained by it, and other people who are constrained by the law but never protected by it.

I would say this is less a coherent philosophy and more of a tribal practice based largely on race. As a matter of philosophy, you would point more to Hobbes and Locke, who were skeptical of the perfectibility of man or society and believed that the state had to protect people from their own worst impulses. Trump is actually emblematic of what Hobbes was trying to warn us away from: an idiot Cromwell on a gilded horse leading a revolution.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:21pm

re: #120 makeitstop

Gotta be real. Robert Kulp is the star, and (he later starred in I Spy with Bill Cosby), and that’s him for sure.

It is. It ran on CBS from 1957-60.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:22pm

re: #99 bd(Redacted)

Q set the whole thing up decades ago.

//

It’s a plant by the same liberal time traveler who went back and planted Obama’s fake nirth certifikit.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:26pm

re: #101 plansbandc

Apparently Pompeo shit all over Obama in his speech today in Cairo.

What a wonderful administration.

Yeah, I heard part of it. It was all about how Americans can be proud again because Trump has accomplished so much in less than 24 months and how the last administration was beyond awful and all that kind of nonsense. I’d really like to know what exactly Trump has done on the international stage which is so ground breaking and awesome. He moved the American embassy to Jerusalem and took us out of the Iran deal. Neither of these are accomplishments.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:48pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

In short, the name Trump was already associated with dishonesty and con men in the 1950s when this episode was written. It’s probably not really a coincidence at all.

I think you are onto something there.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:23:56pm

By the way, the day isn’t far off when it will be possible to create fake videos that look this real.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:24:18pm

Michael Cohen is going to be testifying PUBLICLY before the House Oversight committee on Feb 7. Going to be dealing with Stormy Daniels and hush money payments.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:24:20pm

re: #123 Anymouse 🌹

Libertarians: The free market will punish bad actors, just like it did in Jim Crow. /s

Yep. Man I get tired of libertarians. They’re not always wrong. I agree with them whole heartily on the Drug War for example but man they are naive as fuck about how you’re actually supposed to protect people’s rights.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:24:55pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

The people who do this are almost certainly Trump fans.

Yep, the same fucking morons who getting their jollies rolling coal.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:25:09pm

Friendly reminder, don’t fuck with House Stark:

Winter is coming.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:25:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:26:20pm

re: #133 KGxvi

Friendly reminder, don’t fuck with House Stark:

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Winter is coming.

Piers, you lost your shit over vegan sausages. I don’t think you should be pointing fingers accusing people of trying to make mental illness trendy there champ.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:26:36pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Things like that are why I believe civil rights laws need to be federal. I’m glad to know Nevada has anti discriminatory laws though.

So do I. Idaho refuses to add the LGBTQ communities to their anti-discrimination laws. But if I get beaten or killed for being a Trans-woman they MIGHT add a hate crime charge if they catch whomever did it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:29:17pm

re: #136 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

So do I. Idaho refuses to add the LGBTQ communities to their anti-discrimination laws. But if I get beaten or killed for being a Trans-woman they MIGHT add a hate crime charge if they catch whomever did it.

That’s the thing. Most states do have hate crimes provisions for all other groups but LGBTQ but the fucking religious right thinks it’s discrimination against them. I mean it’s one thing to oppose hate crimes legislation on principle but it’s another to think they should apply to you but not others which the religious right certainly does. Of course, the religious right thinks belittling them is a hate crime.

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:29:24pm

re: #136 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

So do I. Idaho refuses to add the LGBTQ communities to their anti-discrimination laws. But if I get beaten or killed for being a Trans-woman they MIGHT add a hate crime charge if they catch whomever did it.

The message being that ‘Your life holds no value to protect until death…maybe.’ How pro-life of them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:29:35pm

Some cities and towns do in my state, but there are no comprehensive protections for LGBT rights.

Then we have our chowderhead state attorney:

A group of 16 states urged the U.S. Supreme Court Aug. 23 to rule that companies can fire workers based on their sexual orientation and gender identity without violating federal workplace discrimination law.

The states, led by Nebraska Attorney General Doug Peterson, asked the justices to overturn an appeals court decision against a Michigan funeral home that fired a transgender worker. They said Congress didn’t intend the ban on sex discrimination in Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to cover bias against lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender employees.

(more)
bna.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:29:46pm
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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:30:33pm

re: #55 Dr. Matt

Visitors Chainsaw Iconic Joshua Trees in National Park During Gov’t Shutdown

There is a special place in Hell for these people.

After going through Joshua Tree on a tour a few months ago, I hope some of those spiders that live in the trees fucks them up. Oh, and the other tree there? It’s poisonous. I hope they get to those, too.

Spit!!

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:30:36pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

By the way, the day isn’t far off when it will be possible to create fake videos that look this real.

Yep.

ted.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:30:42pm

re: #138 Citizen K

The message being that ‘Your life holds no value to protect until death…maybe.’ How pro-life of them.

Your life isn’t worthy of civil rights. That’s how the religious right wants the LGBTQ community and the LGBTQ issue is the biggest reason why I don’t want ot make nice with the right. You can’t acknowledge my LGBTQ friends and family as living, breathing people like yourselves, you don’t deserve my fucking respect.

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Citizen K  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:31:30pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Your life isn’t worthy of civil rights. That’s how the religious right wants the LGBTQ community and the LGBTQ issue is the biggest reason why I don’t want ot make nice with the right. You can’t acknowledge my LGBTQ friends and family as living, breathing people like yourselves, you don’t deserve my fucking respect.

It’s why groups like Log Cabin Republicans are some of the most quixotic organizations ever.

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William Lewis  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:31:51pm

re: #95 Scottish Dragon

I know what you are getting at and we want to avoid No True Scotsman, but what is going on now is reactionary populist nihilism, and is not really conservative at all. It has the same Utopian impulses of authoritarian movements over the last 230 years and that is anathema to (most) traditional conservative thinking.

As to modern Evangelical Christians, I firmly believe much of the movement has fallen into idolatry and heresy. I don’t use those words in an ironic Warhammer 40K meme sense. Good oped here from the Washington Post that also makes that point.

washingtonpost.com

Just as there is a difference between forms of Christians, there are differences between someone like Burke and modern “conservatism”. Some people’s hate chooses to ignore those differences because no matter how much we denounce them it’s not enough and “no one does”.

Thank you for the post column. It’s good to see how no Christian is denouncing the heretics or Trump…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:32:24pm

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

Some cities and towns do in my state, but there are no comprehensive protections for LGBT rights.

Then we have our chowderhead state attorney:

(more)
bna.com

1964 Congress may not have intended it for LGBTQ people but the spirit of protecting people based on orientation is definitely in that legislation. I love how conservatives and libertarians think you should be able to fire people for trivial reasons unrelated to your work ability and then they bitch if you have to get public assistance. It’s a similar thing with the wages. Oh let’s support a low or no minimum wage and then bitch when people apply for welfare.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:32:54pm

re: #144 Citizen K

It’s why groups like Log Cabin Republicans are some of the most quixotic organizations ever.

I do not get them at all but we have a lot of fuck you, I got mine types in the ASD community too unfortunately.

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William Lewis  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:33:32pm

re: #97 Scottish Dragon

I’m a trans woman in NC spent 6 weeks with a loaded Chinese Kalashnikov rifle next to the bed a couple years ago. Things got real, real hot here.

Hell, I pure old fashioned CIS male and I keep my Taurus PT-92 loaded at all times. Too many nuts and too many possible hate crime points to be unarmed.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:33:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:34:21pm

Time for this one again, a preacher bringing up in city council the conservative and religious arguments against LGBT rights for a proposed ordinance there to protect them.

(2:51, hang on for the end)

OFFICIAL Preacher Phil Snider gives interesting gay rights speech

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:35:06pm

U2 used that Trackdown video on the Joshua Tree anniversary tour in 2017.

“Trump Video & Exit” U2@FedEx Field Washington DC 6/20/17

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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:35:26pm

re: #149 MsJ

It’s like a nightmare. It just keeps getting worse and worse.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:36:17pm

re: #151 makeitstop

U2 used that Trackdown video on the Joshua Tree anniversary tour in 2017.

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Just to tie everything being talked about today together: Trump, Joshua Trees, walls.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:36:37pm

re: #145 William Lewis

Just as there is a difference between forms of Christians, there are differences between someone like Burke and modern “conservatism”. Some people’s hate chooses to ignore those differences because no matter how much we denounce them it’s not enough and “no one does”.

Thank you for the post column. It’s good to see how no Christian is denouncing the heretics or Trump…

TBH I never got why Burke is made out to be a conservative. Certainly, he is for our times but by his own time, I’d say he was more moderate or even liberal. It’s not just that he supported our revolution but he opposed the Penal Laws in his native Ireland too. Yeah he did oppose the French Revolution or from what I’ve read, its excesses but I dunno. And you are right. There are degrees. I’ve been reading The Guns of August. There’s a difference between the British and French conservatives leading up to WWI than the British Union of Fascists or French fascists that later collaborated with the Nazis. Doesn’t mean I’d want to count the former as an ally but there are degrees.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:37:10pm

re: #146 HappyWarrior

1964 Congress may not have intended it for LGBTQ people but the spirit of protecting people based on orientation is definitely in that legislation. I love how conservatives and libertarians think you should be able to fire people for trivial reasons unrelated to your work ability and then they bitch if you have to get public assistance. It’s a similar thing with the wages. Oh let’s support a low or no minimum wage and then bitch when people apply for welfare.

My go-to argument is my local grocery store claiming they can ban whoever they want for any reason (those signs are up all over Nebraska, despite being untrue).

If they ban me for atheism (Christians simultaneously argue atheism is or is not a religion, depending on whether they need to skirt the law), the next store is sixteen miles away. They also know me. If they also ban me, the next stores are sixty miles away, and they also know me. After that, it’s over one hundred miles.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:37:39pm

re: #153 Belafon

Just to tie everything being talked about today together: Trump, Joshua Trees, walls.

Exactly. My work here is done. drops mic

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Jack Burton  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:38:15pm

re: #149 MsJ

Wut?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:39:18pm

re: #155 Anymouse 🌹

My go-to argument is my local grocery store claiming they can ban whoever they want for any reason (those signs are up all over Nebraska, despite being untrue).

If they ban me for atheism (Christians simultaneously argue atheism is or is not a religion, depending on whether they need to skirt the law), the next store is sixteen miles away. They also know me. If they also ban me, the next stores are sixty miles away, and they also know me. After that, it’s over one hundred miles.

That’s exactly the problem with these stupid “You should be able to discriminate” laws and the thing is THEY always without fail apply to people who are minorities whether that’s a minority race, ethnicity, gender identity, or religion or in your case there lack of. You don’t see businesses in the Castro trying to ban straight people but then again gay business owners aren’t stupid like right wing assholes and tell people they won’t serve them. And despite what wingnuts believe, you don’t have to be a gay guy to go to a gay bar.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:41:46pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Wow. I guess it is real. Stretches the boundaries of coincidence.

Charles, I remember this coming up here at LGF before. I tried to do a search to find it, but can’t seem to come up with it.

Anyone else remember talking about this in the past???

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:42:12pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Charles, I remember this coming up here at LGF before. I tried to do a search to find it, but can’t seem to come up with it.

Anyone else remember talking about this in the past???

Yeah I do actually. No linky sorry.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:42:32pm

re: #141 MsJ

After going through Joshua Tree on a tour a few months ago, I hope some of those spiders that live in the trees fucks them up. Oh, and the other tree there? It’s poisonous. I hope they get to those, too.

Spit!!

I’ve been to Joshua Tree twice…. and yeah… there’s a special place in hell for those fuckers who vandalized the park.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:42:44pm

And to tie everything together even tighter, here’s a doctored video of Trump from the Big Address the other night.

Was video of President Trump’s Tuesday address doctored?

The editor at the Seattle TV station who aired it has been fired. I thought it was totes in character.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:43:37pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Charles, I remember this coming up here at LGF before. I tried to do a search to find it, but can’t seem to come up with it.

Anyone else remember talking about this in the past???

Yeah, I remember it was posted last year. Funny it’s getting so much attention now.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:44:11pm

re: #163 makeitstop

Yeah, I remember it was posted last year. Funny it’s getting so much attention now.

The wall is even bigger news now since the toddler is having a fit over it.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:44:21pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Charles, I remember this coming up here at LGF before. I tried to do a search to find it, but can’t seem to come up with it.

Anyone else remember talking about this in the past???

My wife has been using that show as a link in her E-mail taglines ever since Trump clinched the GOP nomination.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:44:24pm

re: #159 ObserverArt

Charles, I remember this coming up here at LGF before. I tried to do a search to find it, but can’t seem to come up with it.

Anyone else remember talking about this in the past???

yes…it was a couple of years ago

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:47:30pm
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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:51:21pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:53:38pm

I need to go into town, so catch y’all later.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:55:38pm

Is it surprising anyone that May’s rush to Brexit is going to have serious intel and natsec repercussions that the government doesn’t want people to know about or address?

Brexit harms the UK.
Brexit harms the EU.
Brexit even harms the US in the long run.

Who it doesn’t harm: Russia.

Brexit doesn’t benefit the UK. It never would. It leaves them worse off as everyone who knows the slightest bit of info about the economic situation and how it undermines the British economy by going it alone. Russia benefits from the chaos, and Trump is more than willing to give Russia an assist here.

The rest of the EU are like - you want to try this stunt again, we’re going to make it so injurious to your economy, you wont even think to try it. Fool us once, and you wont get fooled again.

Russia continues their agitprop campaign to try and influence outcomes of elections in Europe and benefit from the chaos. It worked in the US and a few other countries, so they’ll keep at it.

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mmmirele  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:56:04pm

re: #77 Scottish Dragon

Rod Dreher and the radical traditionalists insist this is why we shouldn’t have that sinful birth control and no homo marriage.

Rod Dreher can kiss my azz. Women are not his broodmares. Signed, never married, childless and perfectly OK that way.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:58:53pm

I would not get too excited about Cohen testifying before congress. Much of what he has to say will not be allowed to be said. I would think that Mueller is going to make a lot of that classified. Perhaps if he wraps up his indictments by then, only then will we hear everything, open hearings or not.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 12:59:54pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:00:38pm

re: #160 HappyWarrior

Yeah I do actually. No linky sorry.

re: #163 makeitstop

Yeah, I remember it was posted last year. Funny it’s getting so much attention now.

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes…it was a couple of years ago

Thanks! I thought I remembered it.

The search function returns way too many links the minute you use Trump or Wall in it. I tried some other things…but no luck.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:00:59pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. Most states do have hate crimes provisions for all other groups but LGBTQ but the fucking religious right thinks it’s discrimination against them. I mean it’s one thing to oppose hate crimes legislation on principle but it’s another to think they should apply to you but not others which the religious right certainly does. Of course, the religious right thinks belittling them is a hate crime.

re: #138 Citizen K

The message being that ‘Your life holds no value to protect until death…maybe.’ How pro-life of them.

Which brings us back to my original post. This crap is why I have an escape route and exit point planned out. Don’t expect to have to use it, but better prepared than not. Until the shit gibbon in the White House and the people who support him are gone I will sleep with one eye open.

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:04:43pm

re: #173 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“Meanwhile, my paycheck is in no way being delayed and I’ve no need to worry about such things. So why should I care if a bunch of plebes are going without pay?”

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:06:18pm

re: #92 Charles Johnson

Can that video actually be real? I don’t remember a Western series called “Trackdown.”

Indeed it was:

Trackdown is an American Western television series starring Robert Culp that aired more than 70 episodes on CBS between 1957 and 1959. The series was produced by Dick Powell’s Four Star Television and filmed at the Desilu-Culver Studio. Trackdown was a spin-off of Powell’s anthology series, Dick Powell’s Zane Grey Theater.

en.wikipedia.org

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:06:23pm

re: #175 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Which brings us back to my original post. This crap is why I have an escape route and exit point planned out. Don’t expect to have to use it, but better prepared than not. Until the shit gibbon in the White House and the people who support him are gone I will sleep with one eye open.

But having the plan will let one eye sleep. Make them take turns (the eyes).

{{{Michele}}}

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:08:14pm

In other news…my buds in Twisted Sister are in another dustup with a right-wing politician for unauthorized use of ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It.’ This time, the offender is in Australia.

It’s the same thrashing guitar and rock music, but the words are different from the lyrics of Twisted Sister’s hit song, and the band is not impressed.

The rock band from New Jersey (wut??) has told an Australian politician to stop using its song “We’re Not Gonna Take It” in his advertising campaign.

Clive Palmer, a conservative politician and mining magnate, rolled out a national marketing campaign for his center-right United Australia Party over the holiday period.

Ads from the campaign use the music from “We’re Not Gonna Take It,” changing the words to “Australia ain’t gonna cop it.” The ads criticize spending and delays related to the National Broadband Network, an infrastructure project intended to improve the country’s internet speeds.

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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:09:45pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

In short, the name Trump was already associated with dishonesty and con men in the 1950s when this episode was written. It’s probably not really a coincidence at all.

Considering that Fred Trump was already well underway in building his empire by that time and that many writers in TV’s Golden Age were based in or had worked in NYC before working on the West Coast, it wouldn’t surprise me that he inspired and informed whoever wrote that Trackdown episode.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:10:36pm

re: #179 makeitstop

In other news…my buds in Twisted Sister are in another dustup with a right-wing politician for unauthorized use of ‘We’re Not Gonna Take It.’ This time, the offender is in Australia.

I love that the song is used in the big fight scene in Ready Player one.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:12:30pm

re: #181 Belafon

I love that the song is used in the big fight scene in Ready Player one.

It’s actually one of the most licensed songs of all time, believe it or not.

Dee Snider used to call it his retirement plan - until he went and sold his rights to the entire TS catalog a couple of years ago. He got paid pretty well for that, too.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:15:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:18:03pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

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Absolutely Rev.

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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:23:59pm

Now they’re posting 2 tweets apart. Imma hafta do some unfollowing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:24:03pm

Damn, need to buy some more ‘Forever’ stamps

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:24:46pm

Just like wall funding, the GOP could have resolved the DACA mess at any time in the past 2 years. We got told multiple times by the press that the GOP saw the DACA as a major issue they had to resolve, yet they always found something more “important” like stripping away health insurance coverage or giving away tax dollars. DACA is not a bargaining chip that the GOP can call in when they’re in a pickle and the media promoting it as such is why we’re now in the midst of the longest gov’t shutdown ever.

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KerFuFFler  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:24:54pm

re: #46 Rocky-in-Connecticut

ahh.. the old racist notion of the “Western Civilization” fallacy -as if there were such a homogeneous thing. Try telling an Italian he’s the same culture as a Swede. “Western Civilization” is the lazy intellectual path to racism.

Yeah, and you can tell from pictures of white supremacists that their idea of “white culture” is oppressing women, shooting guns and rolling coal. I don’t see them supporting their much vaunted heritage by joining a local Shakespeare troupe, buying a ticket to a Brahms concert, attending lectures on science during the Enlightenment, or learning European folk dances. So much for maintaining their “culture”.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:28:20pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Thanks! I thought I remembered it.

The search function returns way too many links the minute you use Trump or Wall in it. I tried some other things…but no luck.

try using the name of the video for your search terms

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:32:44pm

The FBI had had about enough.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:34:00pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

But having the plan will let one eye sleep. Make them take turns (the eyes).

{{{Michele}}}

:-) I will do that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:35:49pm

re: #188 KerFuFFler

Yeah, and you can tell from pictures of white supremacists that their idea of “white culture” is oppressing women, shooting guns and rolling coal. I don’t see them supporting their much vaunted heritage by joining a local Shakespeare troupe, buying a ticket to a Brahms concert, attending lectures on science during the Enlightenment, or learning European folk dances. So much for maintaining their “culture”.

King wouldn’t know a reel from his asshole.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:37:27pm

Seen/heard on MSNBC Deadline Whitehouse a few minutes ago.

POLITICO polled the offices of 17 Senate and House members who represent Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and California about Trump’s $5.7 billion border barrier request. Only two — Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) — said they supported it.

Link to actual story: Politico - Border lawmakers spurn Trump’s wall proposal

They don’t count in Trump world. Trump and wingnuts know better than the actual politicians that represent border states and will have to answer for it all.

Anyone surprised who the two suck-ups are?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:38:11pm

re: #190 makeitstop

The FBI had had about enough.

The freepers are orgasming over the deep-state FBI being furloughed. Fire ‘em all is the cry over there.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:38:18pm

re: #49 Dave In Austin

THe rubes are cutting down Joshua Trees in the Park.

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Joshua trees take about 60 years to reach maturity. Jesus wept.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:38:31pm

Local action in Ohio to help the poor in light of government money distribution problems. Sorry, can’t get the photo to work right. Anyway, police are doing grocery runs to take food and milk to the families of poorer students whose cards failed to load up.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:39:29pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

No negotiating with REPUBLICAN terrorists.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:40:04pm

I remain proud of California, my adopted state, as Gov. Newsom says that the state will step in and help out the 250,000 federal workers who are getting screwed over by the Federal government.

There are quite a few arch-conservatives that are going to have to confront some real cognitive dissonance. Anyone got any bright ideas for how we can really make them squirm as they cash their checks from the state to make up for the money that Trump is stealing from them?

politico.com

The Democratic California governor said he wanted to send a message to federal workers — estimated to be more than 250,000 in California — and said they should come into the Employment Development Department to apply as early as “today” to help get them through difficult financial times, as they begin going without paychecks Friday.

The governor said he couldn’t cite a specific dollar cost for those benefits, but believed it was necessary to help California workers who may be impacted by the shutdown. Newsom said he’s inviting the workers to apply and wants them to “know that you can do that.” But he says he’s also concerned about the impacts of the furloughs on California economy.

“I’m very worried about it,” he said. “I have my staff tasked with what other appropriations can we make. Can we make loans to TSA … to subsidize their salaries? I’m exploring every option.”

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:40:15pm

re: #186 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Damn, need to buy some more ‘Forever’ stamps

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What are Forever stamps?

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:41:37pm

re: #197 MsJ

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No negotiating with REPUBLICAN terrorists.

This is something I’ve been frustrated by Democrats not pointing out: When the situation was reversed and it was the DNC insisting up a DACA extension be part of a gov’t funding bill, Trump screamed that holding paychecks hostage was wrong and the Dems were wrong for doing so.

A year later, the situation is reversed and here’s Donny screaming that hostage-taking for months or years is cool if it gets him his wall.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:43:00pm

Hey, it’s not really fair to expect President Trump to know that sort of thing. I mean, he’s a moron. How many morons would know this? Or that some cultures never even came up with the wheel?

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:43:27pm

re: #199 MsJ

What are Forever stamps?

Stamps that don’t have a monetary amount on them. Once you buy them, they work even if there’s an increase in postage.

We have books of them that are at least 3 or 4 years old. they still work, for the rare times we actually mail something.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:43:30pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:44:15pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

try using the name of the video for your search terms

I give up. For some odd reason the search function at the top of the page all of a sudden comes up different from the way it worked earlier. Not sure what is going on there.

Before I could select from pages, comments, side pages along with a date range. Now it is just a general search.

Just glad to know my memory wasn’t screwing with me.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:48:05pm

re: #46 Rocky-in-Connecticut

ahh.. the old racist notion of the “Western Civilization” fallacy -as if there were such a homogeneous thing. Try telling an Italian he’s the same culture as a Swede. “Western Civilization” is the lazy intellectual path to racism.

ARE YOU CRITICIZING WESTERN CIVILIZATION WHEN DID WESTERN CIVILIZATION BECOME OFFENSIVE WESTERN CIVILIZATION MAKE THE WORLD YOU LIBTARD SUCK IT UP LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:49:13pm

re: #199 MsJ

What are Forever stamps?

How long have you been out of the country? ///

They are stamps you can buy at the current price and remain viable to cover first class postage even after the rates go up.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:49:39pm

re: #203 Patricia Kayden

“Human trafficking is terrible, I hear, and also all the Mexican countries down there are sending us their druggers and murderers and rapists and MS13’s. Believe me.”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:50:03pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:51:01pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

Hey, it’s not really fair to expect President Trump to know that sort of thing. I mean, he’s a moron. How many morons would know this? Or that some cultures never even came up with the wheel?

“There are wheels in nature, before mankind. Believe me. Not many people know that.”

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:51:34pm

re: #203 Patricia Kayden

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:52:58pm

re: #186 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Damn, need to buy some more ‘Forever’ stamps

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I’ve been buying them online at the USPS store. Lots (LOTS!) more selection than available at your local PO.

oh, talk about bittersweet…USPS is taking pre-orders for a special Priority Mail stamp, available 1/27:


Joshua Tree Stamp
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:53:20pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

Note also that blue tape is also not electrical tape.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:54:49pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

That is due to Trump never doing anything except sit on his fat ass, bullshit people and eat McDonalds.

He knows nothing about everything.

A lot of people did not know that.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:55:28pm

re: #206 ObserverArt

How long have you been out of the country? ///

They are stamps you can buy at the current price and remain viable to cover first class postage even after the rates go up.

More like “When was the last time I mailed sometime?” to which I honestly do not know the answer.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:55:30pm

Take with a grain of salt:

Top prognosticator says Donald Trump is on his way out

Allen Lichtman, an American political historian, had correctly predicted three decades of presidential elections when he made the surprising forecast in 2016 that Donald Trump would win. Perhaps he was aware of Russian attacks on our election before the rest of us (he did co-create the prediction model with a Russian seismologist). Either way, he has often been accurate when making political prognostications. Lichtman’s latest forecast does not bode well for Trump.

In a recent interview, Lichtman stated that he believes Trump will be impeached this year. “If [Special Counsel Robert] Mueller comes up with some devastating findings, the Democratic base will demand impeachment,” he stated. “I think [Trump] is in grave peril from the Mueller probe.” Sure, at this point it seems abundantly clear that the new Democratic House majority will vote to impeach, but, according to Lichtman, Trump’s endangerment does not end there.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:56:36pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

And or doesn’t stick with a shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:56:42pm

re: #194 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The freepers are orgasming over the deep-state FBI being furloughed. Fire ‘em all is the cry over there.

Some of the Trumpsters around here are positively giddy over the shutdown, hoping against hope that it continues and everyone can see how great things are without the feds on every entrepreneur’s back.
In the meantime, I read that SNAP has enough money to cover 3/4 of February. After that, it’s the true SHTF scenario that prepper racists pretend to want, “when the welfare checks SNAP loads stop.” We’ll see how they like it in real life.
On another front, I have a meeting at the church outreach office tomorrow to discuss contingencies for that very scenario, ie building up our grocery stash to meet the new demand.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:56:58pm

Good.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:57:21pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

I’ll bet $1,000 he saw this is in a movie/TV (or a photo).

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:58:11pm

re: #199 MsJ

What are Forever stamps?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:58:58pm
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Sir John Barron  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:59:11pm

re: #218 Patricia Kayden

Good.

Why won’t Dems compromise to get GOP support?

///

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 1:59:12pm

re: #210 lawhawk

Blue tape. That’s unusually specific for Trump to point out.

Not duct tape. Blue tape.

Blue tape is usually what folks refer to as painter’s tape. It’s masking tape.

Weird.

Everything Trump says and does is fucking weird. Even his oddly specific lies are weird.

Just a note of info. Where I worked selling racing parts, we had colored “racers tape” for sale. It comes in a whole bunch of primary colors. It was generally used by auto racers for a quick patch job, or to help hold a damaged body panel or the like in place while the race was going on. It came in colors so you could use a color that matched your paint scheme so it would look decent. It is the same type of tape as common duct tape.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:00:02pm

re: #193 ObserverArt

Seen/heard on MSNBC Deadline Whitehouse a few minutes ago.

Link to actual story: Politico - Border lawmakers spurn Trump’s wall proposal

They don’t count in Trump world. Trump and wingnuts know better than the actual politicians that represent border states and will have to answer for it all.

Anyone surprised who the two suck-ups are?

And neither Cruz (Canada) nor McSally (Rhode Island) are remotely native to the states they allegedly represent in the Senate.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:00:15pm

re: #214 MsJ

More like “When was the last time I mailed sometime?” to which I honestly do not know the answer.

I figured that was the case. But I had to tease.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:00:52pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

In short, the name Trump was already associated with dishonesty and con men in the 1950s when this episode was written. It’s probably not really a coincidence at all.

Woody Guthrie — I Ain’t Got No Home/Old Man Trump by the Missin’ Cousins

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:01:37pm

re: #218 Patricia Kayden

Good.

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That’s up from 8 on the vote yesterday.

But if you listen to Faux, it’s Dems who are preparing to defect and the DNC leadership who are desperate to maintain party cohesion through any means possible.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:02:49pm

Along with the tape, notice he said that people turn left to get in the U.S.

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:02:51pm

Heh!

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Dr. Matt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:02:56pm

Michael Cohen to give public testimony against Trump before Congress: CNN

CNN’s Manu Raju announced Thursday that Michael Cohen, the former attorney to President Donald Trump will give public testimony to the House Oversight and Reform Committee in Congress on Feb. 7.

Expect a whole new level of batshit crazy from Donnie on Feb 7th.

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sagehen  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:02:59pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

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Hey, it’s not really fair to expect President Trump to know that sort of thing. I mean, he’s a moron. How many morons would know this? Or that some cultures never even came up with the wheel?

Pretty sure the wall at Jericho crumbled at the sound of trumpets.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:03:32pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Yeah, I’ve seen that.

I’ve seen gaffers tape too (having worked in theater, it’s distinct from duct tape).

There’s painters tape - aka blue tape.

Here we are discussing tape, while Trump bulkshits some more racist fearmongering.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:03:42pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:04:04pm

re: #216 MsJ

And or doesn’t stick with a shit.

This does…and I suspect it may have been colored duct tape like this racers tape.

Racers Tape
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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:04:54pm

re: #220 BlueSpotinAL

Inorite? I take it to the UPS Store and say Send it. Done.

I’m pretty sure I’ve purchased stamps sometime in the last few years. But I never heard of Forever ones.

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lawhawk  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:06:09pm

re: #230 Dr. Matt

Trump has no control over this. He also has to hope that the GOP can thwart what Cohen’s going to say (but don’t count on it). There’s no privilege that can be asserted or natsec that can be invoked. Cohen was Trump’s lawyer, and he’s going to prison. He’s allocuted to criminal acts. He’s admitted that Trump is an unindicted coconspirator on those crimes, which are federal felonies.

None of this is going to help Trump.

So yeah, Trump’s going to be batcrap insane (more than he is now).

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:06:15pm

re: #223 ObserverArt

Just a note of info. Where I worked selling racing parts, we had colored “racers tape” for sale. It comes in a whole bunch of primary colors. It was generally used by auto racers for a quick patch job, or to help hold a damaged body panel or the like in place while the race was going on. It came in colors so you could use a color that matched your paint scheme so it would look decent. It is the same type of tape as common duct tape.

Which is used in like every cringe procedural TV show ever. Since trump loves TV I’m assuming that’s what he meant… But he’s a moron. So there’s that.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:06:25pm

re: #219 Dr. Matt

I’ll bet $1,000 he saw this is in a movie/TV (or a photo).

Somebody should show him ‘Fast And Furious’ (the 4th film in the series), with the cars racing through the tunnels. Then cut from the cars racing through the tunnels to the start of The Avengers, with the cars racing through the tunnels.

Next thing you know, Trump will be claiming we need to build the wall hundreds of feet deep, and we’ll pay for it by selling the Tesseract to Thanos….

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:07:20pm

re: #228 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

Along with the tape, notice he said that people turn left to get in the U.S.

Left is generally bad.

Left at the border means California. Double bad.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:07:54pm

re: #235 MsJ

Inorite? I take it to the UPS Store and say Send it. Done.

I’m pretty sure I’ve purchased stamps sometime in the last few years. But I never heard of Forever ones.

That is probably what you bought. They don’t have a price printed on them. They say first class and I think sometimes forever stamp on them if they are the little generic “US Flag” stamp.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:09:47pm

re: #236 lawhawk

Trump has no control over this. He also has to hope that the GOP can thwart what Cohen’s going to say (but don’t count on it). There’s no privilege that can be asserted or natsec that can be invoked. Cohen was Trump’s lawyer, and he’s going to prison. He’s allocuted to criminal acts. He’s admitted that Trump is an unindicted coconspirator on those crimes, which are federal felonies.

None of this is going to help Trump.

So yeah, Trump’s going to be batcrap insane (more than he is now).

Do you think this will fly and not wind up being classified? I’m thinking this is going to be nixed by Mueller.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:09:51pm

re: #226 Eventual Carrion

Isn’t that something? Wow. His name alone should have been a warning.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:10:11pm

re: #237 MsJ

Which is used in like every cringe procedural TV show ever. Since trump loves TV I’m assuming that’s what he meant… But he’s a moron. So there’s that.

The fact that he called it electrical tape ought to tell people how out of touch he actually is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:10:39pm

re: #239 MsJ

Left is generally bad.

Left at the border means California. Double bad.

The other night, he said they make a Right at the border “Some people make a Left, but most of them make a Right”, and then drive to the end of The Wall and make a Left, and ‘Welcome to the United States!’

Mrs. FBW heard him saying this on the news while in the other room, and said, “Nah, he didn’t REALLY say that, did he?”

So I played it back, and she said, “ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!”

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:11:06pm

re: #240 ObserverArt

That is probably what you bought. They don’t have a price printed on them. They say first class and I think sometimes forever stamp on them if they are the little generic “US Flag” stamp.

That’s what I got… Little American flags. Good to know since I got them years ago and will probably find them years from now. 😂

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:11:50pm

re: #243 Belafon

The fact that he called it electrical tape ought to tell people how out of touch he actually is.

But but but he’s an expert. In everything!!!!!!11!!!!!!!!!

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:12:51pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

The other night, he said they make a Right at the border “Some people make a Left, but most of them make a Right”, and then drive to the end of The Wall and make a Left, and ‘Welcome to the United States!’

Mrs. FBW heard him saying this on the news while in the other room, and said, “Nah, he didn’t REALLY say that, did he?”

So I played it back, and she said, “ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!”

I’d heard that too. It’s like every single day he gets crazier and crazier. And Republicans don’t care. It’s stunning.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:12:59pm

re: #235 MsJ

Inorite? I take it to the UPS Store and say Send it. Done.

I’m pretty sure I’ve purchased stamps sometime in the last few years. But I never heard of Forever ones.

I would note, though, that all but one of the >200 watches I’ve bought on Ebay came in via the Postal Service, and only ONE did not arrive intact - for which I got a quick payment - and only two others didn’t arrive within 4 days, but did arrive within 7.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:13:15pm

Y’all know what to do.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:14:28pm

I know that it’s a tough haul but Democrats must put up a strong candidate against McConnell.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:15:12pm

re: #248 Blind Frog Belly White

I would not, though, that all but one of the >200 watches I’ve bought on Ebay came in via the Postal Service, and only ONE did not arrive intact - for which I got a quick payment - and only two others didn’t arrive within 4 days, but did arrive within 7.

No no. The UPS Store send stuff USPS. I rarely use UPS unless it’s an overnight thing. That always costs a fortune but sometimes it’s needed.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:15:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:15:30pm

re: #216 MsJ

And or doesn’t stick with a shit.

as it was designed to be

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:16:06pm

re: #250 Patricia Kayden

I know that it’s a tough haul but Democrats must put up a strong candidate against McConnell.

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Former Governor Beshear.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:17:53pm

re: #241 MsJ

Do you think this will fly and not wind up being classified? I’m thinking this is going to be nixed by Mueller.

Reporters on Dateline Washington MSNBC said negotiations are ongoing with Cohen’s lawyers about what he will talk about publicly. Adam Schiff made it sound like they really want to ask him about Russia and that Cohen is reluctant.

He doesn’t like to drink polonium or come into contact with unknown people on the street. Can’t blame him.

Also, others were saying they could go behind closed doors for part of the testimony.

All say Cohen really wants to talk. It sounds like he is really pissed at Trump and will help do whatever he can to bring Trump down.

Popcorn time.

And just thinking…wasn’t Steve Mnuchin going to testify today??? Or, do I have that wrong?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:19:07pm

re: #219 Dr. Matt

I’ll bet $1,000 he saw this is in a movie/TV (or a photo).


Censored Woman

Also, mouth taping to sleep at night

He’s still a moron

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:19:34pm

re: #250 Patricia Kayden

I know that it’s a tough haul but Democrats must put up a strong candidate against McConnell.

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Interestingly, somebody pointed out that the exact wording of what McConnell has been saying would allow him at some point to pass a CR Trump doesn’t like and even to override a veto. But not just yet.

Meanwhile, Trump thinks he’s in charge, but really McConnell is the one holding this up.

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makeitstop  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:20:09pm

re: #241 MsJ

Do you think this will fly and not wind up being classified? I’m thinking this is going to be nixed by Mueller.

I saw earlier that Schiff wants him to testify in a closed session if he’s going to be talking about Russia.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:21:09pm

re: #235 MsJ

Inorite? I take it to the UPS Store and say Send it. Done.

I’m pretty sure I’ve purchased stamps sometime in the last few years. But I never heard of Forever ones.



There are literally dozens of designs. New ones every year.
A friend sent a book of twenty Peanuts Christmas themed ones a few years ago. Told her i got the message, she would get a Christmas card for the next twenty years

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unproven innocence  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:22:16pm

OT — for Charles and everyone — a public service announcement:
Microrosoft really screwed the pooch with its updates this week. Here’s a link to a hint of the problems:
Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 updates KB4480970 and KB4480960 causing network issues by Martin Brinkmann on January 09, 2019

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:22:28pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

as it was designed to be

Really. Try painting using duct tape. You’d have to repaint the entire room.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:22:30pm

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The top one, with the flag and “USA Forever” seems a bit…ominous.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:24:29pm

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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There are literally dozens of designs. New ones every year.
A friend sent a book of twenty Peanuts Christmas themed ones a few years ago. Told her i got the message, she would get a Christmas card for the next twenty years

I’m fairly certain that’s not what I got. Mine were a simple, single flag.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:25:14pm

re: #257 Blind Frog Belly White

Interestingly, somebody pointed out that the exact wording of what McConnell has been saying would allow him at some point to pass a CR Trump doesn’t like and even to override a veto. But not just yet.

Meanwhile, Trump thinks he’s in charge, but really McConnell is the one holding this up.

Can you imagine what Trump will be like if McConnell allows a vote?

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Mike Lamb  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:26:29pm

I listened to an interview on NPR with Rep. Will Hurd (R). I believe his district is the strip that runs along the Texas-Mexico border starting around the El Paso area. He was actually pretty reasonable as it relates to the current stand-off. He doesn’t believe there needs a to be a wall across the entire border, that some select areas might benefit from a physical barrier, that remote areas require a more high tech approach, etc. He seemed to hint at creating a path to citizenship, while also addressing the humanitarian concerns in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras that incentivize the migration. He’s also one of the few in the House that have voted against his caucus.

Question: is he generally reasonable or just on this narrow issue?

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:27:40pm

re: #263 MsJ

I’m fairly certain that’s not what I got. Mine were a simple, single flag.

I think most of the ones you can get now are forever stamps. It just means that they are good for basic first class mail regardless of what the rate is when you use them. So instead of having to get one or two cent stamps when the rate goes from 48 cents to 50 cents, if you bought them when they were 48 cents, they’re still good now that the rate is 50 cents.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:27:59pm

re: #260 unproven innocence

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:28:20pm

Evening Lizardim. So what’s the betting pool at on when Trump finally sets the country on fire?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:28:51pm

re: #264 Belafon

Can you imagine what Trump will be like if McConnell allows a vote?

Apoplectic, but it will signal that McConnell has finally had enough of his shit.

I don’t, and never did figure McConnell for a Trump fan. I figure he sees him as a means to an end, and that should Trump become too much of a liability he’ll cut him loose. I think if McConnell did allow it, it would end Trump’s hope of reelection and signal McConnell’s willingness to let the Senate convict him if impeached.

IOW, it’s basically The Big Red Button.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:29:46pm

God I wish Trump would shut the fuck up. I am so sick of him and his stupid hats.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:29:53pm

re: #265 Mike Lamb

I suspect he has to watch what he does. This is from wikipedia about the most recent election:

On March 7, 2018, Hurd won the GOP primary with 80 percent of the vote. No candidate, however, won a majority of the vote in the Democratic primary in his district, forcing a runoff between former Air Force intelligence officer Gina Ortiz Jones and high-school teacher Rick Trevino.[23] Ortiz-Jones won the runoff.

In July 2018, it was reported that the race for Hurd’s seat was in line to become “the most expensive congressional race in the state’s history.”[24]

The race was the closest House race in Texas. The Associated Press initially called it for Hurd on election night, but an additional batch of votes temporarily gave Ortiz-Jones a small lead, which Hurd then regained. After all provisional and overseas ballots were counted, Hurd was officially declared the winner on November 19.[25]

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:31:23pm

re: #264 Belafon

Can you imagine what Trump will be like if McConnell allows a vote?

I have a hard time seeing that since Fox News, Limbaugh and Coulter drive policy these days.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:31:40pm

re: #260 unproven innocence

OT — for Charles and everyone — a public service announcement:
Microrosoft really screwed the pooch with its updates this week. Here’s a link to a hint of the problems:
Windows 7 and Server 2008 R2 updates KB4480970 and KB4480960 causing network issues by Martin Brinkmann on January 09, 2019

[Embedded content]

Aww crap, my Windows 7 computer downloaded KB4480970 overnight. I thought I had it set for a notice before an update.

I had a Windows 10 update yesterday too. Some of the previous downloads to that system have had issues too.

Grrr. Seems to be running okay. Gonna have to read what’s up.

No, I don’t want to hear from Mac users.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:31:52pm

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

There are literally dozens of designs. New ones every year.
A friend sent a book of twenty Peanuts Christmas themed ones a few years ago. Told her i got the message, she would get a Christmas card for the next twenty years

As I said earlier, I always buy my stamps at the USPS store online.
As a bonus, a hefty USPS stamp/postal-products/other-cool-stuff catalog shows up in my mailbox at least once a year.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:32:13pm

re: #265 Mike Lamb

I listened to an interview on NPR with Rep. Will Hurd (R). I believe his district is the strip that runs along the Texas-Mexico border starting around the El Paso area. He was actually pretty reasonable as it relates to the current stand-off. He doesn’t believe there needs a to be a wall across the entire border, that some select areas might benefit from a physical barrier, that remote areas require a more high tech approach, etc. He seemed to hint at creating a path to citizenship, while also addressing the humanitarian concerns in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras that incentivize the migration. He’s also one of the few in the House that have voted against his caucus.

Question: is he generally reasonable or just on this narrow issue?

Depends on what you consider “generally reasonable.” Here’s his issues page from his campaign website. And here’s his political courage page from Project Vote Smart. He seems to be a fairly standard issue Republican.

Keep in mind, polling suggests that Trump’s wall is opposed by about a 2-1 margin among people who live near the border, so Hurd is probably being responsible to his constituency on this.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:32:20pm

re: #266 KGxvi

I think most of the ones you can get now are forever stamps. It just means that they are good for basic first class mail regardless of what the rate is when you use them. So instead of having to get one or two cent stamps when the rate goes from 48 cents to 50 cents, if you bought them when they were 48 cents, they’re still good now that the rate is 50 cents.

I think I got then when stamps were $.33.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:33:00pm

re: #261 MsJ

Really. Try painting using duct tape. You’d have to repaint the entire room.

and probably respackle

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:33:20pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:34:05pm

re: #266 KGxvi

I think most of the ones you can get now are forever stamps. It just means that they are good for basic first class mail regardless of what the rate is when you use them. So instead of having to get one or two cent stamps when the rate goes from 48 cents to 50 cents, if you bought them when they were 48 cents, they’re still good now that the rate is 50 cents.

They also are not valid for foreign mail; domestic use only

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:35:19pm

re: #263 MsJ

I’m fairly certain that’s not what I got. Mine were a simple, single flag.

Flag Forever’s are issued new each year. I’ve got some that are a couple years olds that are different.

Now, it would almost be worth it to buy thousands of these to send weekly letters to Rep Steven King

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unproven innocence  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:40:41pm

re: #260 unproven innocence

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:43:09pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

They also are not valid for foreign mail; domestic use only

There are 2 international first class stamps available:
store.usps.com

I should order at least one set of those; will save me a trip to the PO at Christmas time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:43:41pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I apologize for my bad German intimidation. It’s more poking fun at how old time movies make German phonetics out to be. Though funnily enough, I think The Great Escape, a 56 year old movie and BBC’s Colditz from the early 70’s had very nuanced portrayals of the Germans in WWII.

Don’t forget Billy Wilder’s iconic Stalag 17

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William Lewis  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:47:54pm

re: #273 ObserverArt

No, I don’t want to hear from Mac users.

What about Ubuntu users?

< Grinning, ducking, and running ;) >

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:48:32pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:49:05pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

By the way, the day isn’t far off when it will be possible to create fake videos that look this real.

That day is already here.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:49:09pm

re: #211 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been buying them online at the USPS store. Lots (LOTS!) more selection than available at your local PO.

oh, talk about bittersweet…USPS is taking pre-orders for a special Priority Mail stamp, available 1/27:

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Joshua Tree Stamp

Update:

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:50:07pm

re: #285 MsJ

“The answer is most definitely maybe.”

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 2:50:20pm

re: #284 William Lewis

What about Ubuntu users?

< Grinning, ducking, and running ;) >

I’m watching you…

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:00:42pm
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TedStriker  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:00:57pm

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Update:

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Needs more oil derricks, strip-mining equipment, and jacked-up pickups rolling coal.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:01:52pm

New Bob Ceca Show is now up.

Mustache Rides — NSFW; The esteemed Jody Hamilton from the Stephanie Miller Show is here today; Jody’s recap of the Golden Globes with her Mom, the legendary Carol Burnett; We have collusion again; Trump and paying for Wall; The buck stops with everybody; Jim Acosta’s report from the border; Trump’s temper tantrum; TSA workers are going home; House Dems will subpoena Don Junior; Rosenstein on his way out; Michael Cohen will testify in Congress next month; and so much more.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:03:30pm

Looks like the first actual snow is heading our way.

TV stations are already freaking out everyone. First Major snow of the season!!!

2 to maybe 3 inches expected. Watch us get 1”…that is how this usually works.

And once again…southern Ohio is going to get more than central and northern.

Look out Sleuth…probably coming your way.

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plansbandc  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:06:35pm

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Must steal for twitter…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:07:12pm

re: #293 ObserverArt

Looks like the first actual snow is heading our way.

TV stations are already freaking out everyone. First Major snow of the season!!!

2 to maybe 3 inches expected. Watch us get 1”…that is how this usually works.

And once again…southern Ohio is going to get more than central and northern.

Look out Sleuth…probably coming your way.

yay me!

I just got finished on Skype with MrBWS. We’re looking at 4-6 inches PLUS ICE! YAY! O_o

He’s bringing the company bucket truck home instead of his little Cavalier…just in case…

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:11:04pm

re: #295 Backwoods_Sleuth

yay me!

I just got finished on Skype with MrBWS. We’re looking at 4-6 inches PLUS ICE! YAY! O_o

He’s bringing the company bucket truck home instead of his little Cavalier…just in case…

Sometimes, I wonder how people would react if we got snow in the greater LA area (last time, in the 1940s). Then I remember how bad people are out here driving in the rain, and I realize it’s probably a good thing we don’t get snow.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:12:31pm

re: #296 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Trump: “And when they get across the border they beep the horn and it plays ‘La Cucaracha’!”

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:14:37pm

re: #298 Barefoot Grin

Trump: “And when they get across the border they beep the horn and it plays ‘La Cucaracha’!”

Archer- Immigrants

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:17:21pm

re: #299 KGxvi

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Video

LOL

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:17:22pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:17:41pm

Tomorrow morning.
Twenty minutes after sunrise for any local-ish Left Coast live viewers

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:18:04pm

re: #287 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Oh Fuck! That’s not funny

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:18:31pm

re: #301 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

[Embedded content]

nice dig on the chyron

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Jay C  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:19:30pm

re: #297 KGxvi

Sometimes, I wonder how people would react if we got snow in the greater LA area (last time, in the 1940s). Then I remember how bad people are out here driving in the rain, and I realize it’s probably a good thing we don’t get snow.

IIRC (and probably don’t, but never mind for now) early in (?Feb?) 1968, the LA area got a few actual flurries from a cold winter storm passing through: most of it landed on the mountains; and the view of snow-capped peaks on the eastern horizon was remarkable: especially in the smog-alert era when one usually couldn’t see the mountains, still less the snow. Nothing stuck, of course: but it WAS “snow”. And fortunately, Angeleno drivers have remained unchallenged by it ever since…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:20:06pm

jfc

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:20:40pm

Doomsday scenario.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:22:53pm

re: #297 KGxvi

Sometimes, I wonder how people would react if we got snow in the greater LA area (last time, in the 1940s). Then I remember how bad people are out here driving in the rain, and I realize it’s probably a good thing we don’t get snow.

You don’t want that. Ohioans from Columbus south usually need two good snows to remember how to drive in the snow.

Southern California…look out!

This means tomorrow night into Saturday is stay off the streets because it will be nuts.

I love driving in it…especially when there are few others around. I grew up in northern Ohio in a city with a lot of hills. You learned to drive or you stayed home.

I do have standard shift, front wheel drive and dedicated winter tires. So I can usually get around pretty good.

I’ve mentioned it before, but oddly the most dangerous drivers and the ones often off in the ditches are 4 wheel drive SUVs.

Arrogance and the nature of 4 wheel drive get’s ‘em in trouble every year.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:22:54pm
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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:22:59pm

re: #305 Jay C

IIRC (and probably don’t, but never mind for now) early in (?Feb?) 1968, the LA area got a few actual flurries from a cold winter storm passing through: most of it landed on the mountains; and the view of snow-capped peaks on the eastern horizon was remarkable: especially in the smog-alert era when one usually couldn’t see the mountains, still less the snow. Nothing stuck, of course: but it WAS “snow”. And fortunately, Angeleno drivers have remained unchallenged by it ever since…..

We still get snow in our local mountains, but I was talking more the LA Basin. According to this from one of the local PBS stations, the last time DTLA got snow was 1949 and the last time it fell in the basin was 1962.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:23:38pm

re: #304 Backwoods_Sleuth

nice dig on the chyron

MSNBC seems to be completely out of fucks to give since the oval office address.

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Belafon  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:23:59pm

re: #301 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I laughed at the chyron

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gwangung  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:26:44pm

re: #307 MsJ

Doomsday scenario.

[Embedded content]

Turn off the water at the White House.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:28:21pm

re: #313 gwangung

Turn off the water at the White House.

A friend suggested that the Secret Service should tell him they only have funds to protect the first family if everyone is on the White House grounds. Two days locked in the residence with his family and he’d agree to whatever the Dems wanted.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:32:53pm

re: #311 KGxvi

MSNBC seems to be completely out of fucks to give since the oval office address.

Well…he targets them all the time. So, yeah.

It’s too bad not all Lizards have access to it. They might have a little hope for some in the media.

If there wasn’t Ari Melber, Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell I don’t know what I would do about all this.

Are they perfect? No. But 90% of the time they are pretty good.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:35:18pm

re: #315 ObserverArt

Well…he targets them all the time. So, yeah.

It’s too bad not all Lizards have access to it. They might have a little hope for some in the media.

If there wasn’t Ari Melber, Chris Hayes, Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O’Donnell I don’t know what I would do about all this.

Are they perfect? No. But 90% of the time they are pretty good.

Even CNN seems to be over his shit. Don Lemon spent a good part of his show mocking the “bye bye” bullshit. I suspect a tide is turning everywhere but Fox News… and even they may not be able to hold it after Chris Wallace decided to call out Sanders’ lies.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:36:37pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:37:11pm

Well, we’re back from town. Got a coupon for $20 off a ski resort (don’t think I’m going to use that), and a depressing view of cars all over the county seat with “I’m a Christian and I Voted for Donald Trump” stickers.

The only churches in our county seat are Greek Orthodox, Roman Catholic, Presbyterian, and Lutheran.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:37:13pm

re: #308 ObserverArt

I’ve mentioned it before, but oddly the most dangerous drivers and the ones often off in the ditches are 4 wheel drive SUVs.

Arrogance and the nature of 4 wheel drive get’s ‘em in trouble every year.

And ice laughs and laughs at 4WD

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:37:36pm

re: #319 Backwoods_Sleuth

And ice laughs and laughs at 4WD

It’s four wheel DRIVE, not four wheel STOP, idjits.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:38:13pm

Yes, yes they are

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:38:57pm

re: #316 KGxvi

Even CNN seems to be over his shit. Don Lemon spent a good part of his show mocking the “bye bye” bullshit. I suspect a tide is turning everywhere but Fox News… and even they may not be able to hold it after Chris Wallace decided to call out Sanders’ lies.

I don’t know how many times I typed “tipping point” here to try to help calm people worried about what was/is going to happen.

We are getting there.

Yeah, I’m a damn optimist. I believe in the way this country is set up and that someone(s) somehow would put an end to this madness. It takes time though.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:38:59pm

re: #321 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yes, yes they are

[Embedded content]

Evil fucks.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:39:25pm

re: #317 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

When Twitter does good. I saw the original report just a few days ago.

Even Jack can’t fuck that up.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:39:41pm

This is actually true, according to Snopes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:40:49pm

re: #320 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s four wheel DRIVE, not four wheel STOP, idjits.

well, when it comes to ice…it’s four wheel stop for most eejit drivers…usually into a ditch or a fence or a pole or…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:41:22pm

re: #326 Backwoods_Sleuth

well, when it comes to ice…it’s four wheel stop for most eejit drivers…usually into a ditch or a fence or a pole or…

A fair point.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:41:42pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Thanks! I thought I remembered it.

The search function returns way too many links the minute you use Trump or Wall in it. I tried some other things…but no luck.

I tried “Trackdown” but only got the recent comments from the last couple days.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:42:31pm

re: #313 gwangung

Turn off the water at the White House.

And the power. If they can’t pay the water bill, they probably can’t pay the power bill as well.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:43:21pm

This was just discussed on Ari Melber’s show.

Trump is going to be a mess after this. It sounds like Cohen has a a lot of beans to spill.

I hope they have Cohen protected. I wouldn’t trust Trump and his “connections.”

No way…no how.

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Jay C  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:46:25pm

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹

I tried “Trackdown” but only got the recent comments from the last couple days.

Here you go (via IMDB)

Aired 1957-59 (2 seasons, 71 episodes), starring a young Robert Culp.

And Trump’s great-granduncle Walter……

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:47:16pm

re: #329 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

And the power. If they can’t pay the water bill, they probably can’t pay the power bill as well.

Kill the wifi and someone forget to pay his cellphone bill.

Which reminds me, who exactly is paying Trump’s cellphone bill? If it’s still (?) the Trump Organization, that would probably be unlawful, wouldn’t it?

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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:47:46pm
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wrenchwench  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:47:51pm
New Comments (172)

*click*

—hit ‘end’ key—

/only hatchlings try to read all of them…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:48:46pm

he really is a motherfucking moron.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:48:54pm

re: #334 wrenchwench

—hit ‘end’ key—

/only hatchlings try to read all of them…

I lurk in Spy mode. I just look at the top comment on the screen when I get back.

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ObserverArt  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:49:11pm

re: #331 Jay C

Here you go (via IMDB)

Aired 1957-59 (2 seasons, 71 episodes), starring a young Robert Culp.

And Trump’s great-granduncle Walter……

We we’re searching for past LGF discussions of the TV series from back a few years ago.

It seems it has broken out again and I and others thought we had talked about it before.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:50:55pm

re: #333 jaunte

I feel like that convo is going like this:

WH Official: so can we use the Corps of Engineers’ money for disasters for the wall?

Head of Corps: let me check (opens big book, flips through all the pages)… nope

WH Official: you sure? It’s not like any of those people voted for the president anyway?

Head of Corps: let me double check (flips through all the pages backwards)… yeah, still doesn’t look like that’s how this works

WH Official: well, check again!

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:51:05pm

re: #337 ObserverArt

We we’re searching for a past LGF discussions of the TV series from back a few years ago.

It seems it has broken out again and I and others thought we had talked about it before.

I know we talked about it here before. For some reason I thought it was a “Twilight Zone” episode.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:52:52pm

re: #339 The Vicious Babushka

I know we talked about it here before. For some reason I thought it was a “Twilight Zone” episode.

I did too.

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jaunte  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:53:27pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:55:07pm

re: #203 Patricia Kayden

Trump defends border wall: “Human trafficking is a horrible thing…They just make a left into the U.S. & they come in & they have women tied up. They have tape over their mouths. Electrical tape. Usually blue tape, as they call it. It is powerful stuff.”

That “take a left” comment the first time he made it was an instant dog whistle.

If you assumed the border area was a straight line, what’s to the left? California. Blue tape? Blue state.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:55:25pm

Hmmm. SO SAYING IT OUT LOUD!

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:57:23pm

re: #339 The Vicious Babushka

I know we talked about it here before. For some reason I thought it was a “Twilight Zone” episode.

Every day is these days. Every single day.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:59:01pm

re: #343 MsJ

Hmmm. SO SAYING IT OUT LOUD!

[Embedded content]

Yeah so what are you gonna do Kev? Nothing as Ryan and Boehner and Coach Pedo did before you about this racist prick.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 3:59:34pm

re: #327 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

A fair point.

sometimes even four wheels up…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 10, 2019 • 4:00:58pm

re: #331 Jay C

Here you go (via IMDB)

Aired 1957-59 (2 seasons, 71 episodes), starring a young Robert Culp.

And Trump’s great-granduncle Walter……

It’s really odd that I don’t remember that show—at all. I certainly remember Maverick from the same time frame….

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 10, 2019 • 4:03:05pm

re: #332 KGxvi

Kill the wifi and someone forget to pay his cellphone bill.

Which reminds me, who exactly is paying Trump’s cellphone bill? If it’s still (?) the Trump Organization, that would probably be unlawful, wouldn’t it?

I have no idea.. But shutting down the White House for failure to pay bills because of the shut down would be epic. The asshole being evicted from the White House for failure to pay bills would be karmic.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 10, 2019 • 4:04:42pm

re: #174 ObserverArt

Thanks! I thought I remembered it.

The search function returns way too many links the minute you use Trump or Wall in it. I tried some other things…but no luck.

Kragar had it last summer:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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BigBadDemocrat  Jan 10, 2019 • 5:28:48pm

One of the companies I worked for has been sending some of us for trying to Canada. So no time to post. Quit the other part time job
Just landed at Love Field Dallas and News up about Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg Health so bad she may resign tomorrow

Any truth to this?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 6:24:06pm

re: #350 BigBadDemocrat

See responses in the next thread.


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