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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 8:53:34pm

I remember Sputnik in 1957, and now I have lived to see this.

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MsJ  Jan 10, 2019 • 8:56:23pm

This is so adorable.

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austin_blue  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:09:05pm

Last comment CL’d! Brilliant!

re: #314 HappyWarrior

She’s good.

She *is* good. She’s open to criticism that she is learning as she goes along. And she is a master of twitter snark. Note also that she was a producer of that BU video. And a hell of a dancer. She’s got a certain charisma, and you don’t get that by being an idiot.

I look forward to her impact this Congressional session.

I mean, really, why isn’t a 70% tax on families making over $10 million a year reasonable? We have a graduated tax structure where all income below $10 million is taxed at a lower level.

It’s not like if you make $10,000,001 a year the government is going to reduce your income to $3 million dollars, and if you make $9,999,999, your income would be $6.3 million.

Sadly, the vast majority of Americans have no idea what graduated tax is and how it works.

If we dropped a 70% tax on all income over $10 million/year we would be in much better shape.

If we reinstituted the “Death Tax” on family wealth (with reasonable exceptions) we would be in much better shape.

Oh, and if we removed the Social Security Tax cap and required the that tax be applied to *all* income, SS would be much closer to out of the hole tomorrow.

And if we indexed Capital Gains and treated it as income, we would be much closer to being out of the Medicare/Medicaid hole tomorrow.

It won’t happen, of course, but it would go a long way to attack the deficit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:14:35pm

Left hanging on the last thread, a comment about AOC being good at the clapback to Joe Lieberman.

re: #338 austin_blue

When she was fact-checked by a journalistic outlet for being mistaken on figures she gave, she publicly thanked them for correcting her. She noted fact-checking is vital to hold politicians to account, and helped her in becoming a better politician.

I can’t ever remember any politician thanking a fact checker for correcting them.

Being how it was last, I guess that means I need to dig up a picture of a guinea pig.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:16:48pm

re: #3 austin_blue

And if we indexed Capital Gains and treated it as income, we would be much closer to being out of the Medicare/Medicaid hole tomorrow.

It won’t happen, of course, but it would go a long way to attack the deficit.

Unearned income (“Capital Gains”) needs to be taxed at twice the rate of earned income, not half or less (much less now).

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:18:45pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:21:15pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:22:41pm

re: #6 Anymouse 🌹

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I loved it when after Poppy Bush’s “Read my lips: No new taxes” they slapped a new tax on beer. But not wine.

Al Bundy Speech On Beer Tax

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:23:19pm
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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:23:44pm
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retired cynic  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:26:43pm

re: #10 Dave In Austin

I see she is sporting her new double Ds!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:29:15pm

re: #11 retired cynic

I see she is sporting her new double Ds!

She’s got the high end models with the Schrader valves discreetly placed in the armpit for ease of adjustment.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:33:09pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:33:31pm

re: #11 retired cynic

I see she is sporting her new double Ds!

Those are kidneys.

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ckkatz  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:37:45pm

From last thread. Thanks for posing this MsJ!

re: #202 MsJ

Wow.

I was curious so I looked online and saw this from the SUN. If true, it sounds like a really sad situation all around.

Police believe the mother was suffering from a mental health crisis.

The unnamed girl was eventually reunited with her father, Hasan Ali.

Ali told TNJ4: “I went to the bathroom, and in five minutes, her mom took her and left home.

“I think my wife went inside St. Stanislaus Church nearby, but somehow the baby got away from her.

“My wife has been in a hospital since. She deals with mental health issues.”

thesun.co.uk

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:38:55pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:38:59pm

The Libertarian Party is trying to organise national park cleanups during the Trumpdown.

They have a list of places and times already organised, along with a place to volunteer to organise one.

I suppose that’s a civic-minded thing to do, but the LP wants your telephone number and E-mail address (read, this is also a list-building exercise).

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:40:29pm

Could someone pass this on to @Stonekettle. He’s got me blocked. I find it humorous

On 2nd thought, maybe not.

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KGxvi  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:41:51pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

The Libertarian Party is trying to organise national park cleanups during the Trumpdown.

They have a list of places and times already organised, along with a place to volunteer to organise one.

I suppose that’s a civic-minded thing to do, but the LP wants your telephone number and E-mail address (read, this is also a list-building exercise).

As a libertarian (note the small-l), I’d rather we pool our resources and pay someone else to do that. If only there was a way to do that…

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:51:01pm

re: #17 Anymouse 🌹

I neglected the link to the Libertarian Party Park Cleanup effort.

lp.org

They have links to spreadsheets listing different parks and times, and a page to create a cleanup if you don’t see one close to you.

I presume you could just show up without giving them your telephone number and E-mail address; I imagine they wouldn’t turn away additional help.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:53:06pm

re: #19 KGxvi

As a libertarian (note the small-l), I’d rather we pool our resources and pay someone else to do that. If only there was a way to do that…

Agreed. As opposed to ad-hoc efforts (and I’m not trying to disparage the Libertarian Party; I think this is a good civic minded idea), it seems if we had an organised effort, say a state or federal one, where such help could be run on a regular basis, say with employees paid by everyone in the state or nation who benefits … we could call that “taxes” …

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William Lewis  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:56:24pm

re: #21 Anymouse 🌹

Agreed. As opposed to ad-hoc efforts (and I’m not trying to disparage the Libertarian Party; I think this is a good civic minded idea), it seems if we had an organised effort, say a state or federal one, where such help could be run on a regular basis, say with employees paid by everyone in the state or nation who benefits … we could call that “taxes” …

Perhaps it wouldn’t seem so onerous if we changed the optics a bit. Instead of taxes, let’s call it “sliding scale membership dues” - the more you make the more it costs to be a member of Club America?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:59:16pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 9:59:30pm

Utah Outcasts weigh in on Kyrsten Sinema being sworn in by Mike Pence.

They are not real kind to Mr. Pence. (Caution for coarse language, 10:08)

Kyrsten Sinema Brings LGBT Representation to Congress

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:20:20pm

Mark Taylor: Democrats Winning the House was a ‘Sting Operation’ to Expose Voter Fraud (Goes to Right Wing Watch, with video)

Mark Taylor, the so-called Firefighter Prophet, has gone Q-nut.

Prior to the 2018 midterm elections, so-called “firefighter prophet” Mark Taylor repeatedly insisted that America would witness a “red tsunami” in which overwhelming support for President Trump would sweep Republicans into office all over the nation.

When that didn’t happen, Taylor nevertheless insisted that his prophecy had been accurate, claiming that the “red tsunami” he had prophesied would now come in the form of mass arrests.

Despite the fact that that also has not happened, Taylor continues to maintain that the election “was a huge red tsunami” and that it only appears as if Democrats won control of the House of Representatives—because the election was really a massive “sting operation” designed to expose Democratic voter fraud, as he explained during his recent appearance on “The MC Files” program.

“I know for a fact that they stole the House,” Taylor declared. “They did not win the House. They did not win a lot of these elections across the country. It was a huge red tsunami—I’ve been attacked for saying it was a red tsunami—and people don’t understand, again, it’s in God’s timing. There are certain things that will be revealed and exposed and people will understand what’s going on.”

“This was a huge sting operation across the nation with the election to see where the voter fraud was,” he added. “Now they’re going to use this for voter I.D. When we get voter I.D., forget it, the Democrats are done. This is the implosion of the Democratic Party. I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: I don’t think you will see a Democrat in the White House again for a long time, if ever again, because people have had it, they are fed up with this mess.”

You go with that, Mark. The only openly fraudulent election I’m aware of was NC-9, where a Protestant Republican pastor hired someone to steal ballots in both the GOP primary and the general election. He’s not being seated by the House. That’s your party Mark.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:25:39pm

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

Mark Taylor: Democrats Winning the House was a ‘Sting Operation’ to Expose Voter Fraud (Goes to Right Wing Watch, with video)

Mark Taylor, the so-called Firefighter Prophet, has gone Q-nut.

You go with that, Mark. The only openly fraudulent election I’m aware of was NC-9, where a Protestant Republican pastor hired someone to steal ballots in both the GOP primary and the general election. He’s not being seated by the House. That’s your party Mark.

Stick to fires, Marky.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:35:01pm

The horrible crime of being born American.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:36:40pm

Ripe AF

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:41:30pm

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Why would someone want an “ass avocado” whether it was ripe or not?

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:43:22pm

re: #28 DodgerFan1988

The horrible crime of being born American.

No baby is born with an anchor.

Conservatives will never get over that we exist, will they? Steve King goes on about “anchor grandbabies.”

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The Great Eye  Jan 10, 2019 • 10:57:28pm

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

Mark Taylor: Democrats Winning the House was a ‘Sting Operation’ to Expose Voter Fraud (Goes to Right Wing Watch, with video)

Mark Taylor, the so-called Firefighter Prophet, has gone Q-nut.

You go with that, Mark. The only openly fraudulent election I’m aware of was NC-9, where a Protestant Republican pastor hired someone to steal ballots in both the GOP primary and the general election. He’s not being seated by the House. That’s your party Mark.

He’s just stealing his material from Q directly. Q has declared that voter fraud will be exposed and that Voter ID laws will be put into place in 2019 that will lead to an overwhelming win for the GOP in 2020. I bet Q is angry his grift is being stolen so shamelessly.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:11:11pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:17:27pm

re: #33 Dave In Austin

You know whose response to the president’s address I didn’t hear about this week was?

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:18:32pm

re: #33 Dave In Austin

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He’s a massive micromanager involved in all facets of his campaign…except when there’s accusations of sexual harassment, then he magically is totally in the dark.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:19:30pm

E.W. Jackson: Ilhan Omar ‘Wasn’t Really Elected by Americans’ (Right Wing Watch, with Soundcloud audio)

Right-wing Christian radio host says Rep. Ilhan Omar wasn’t elected by “real Americans.”

He’s also upset at the language used by Rep. Rashida Tlaib, in reference to her child, saying she should be investigated (though he doesn’t say for what).

Jackson doesn’t believe anyone who is not a Christian should be in any level of governance. He also believes LGBT and atheists should be put outside society.

On Rep. Omar:

“Folks, as I looked into her background, I’ll tell you, I’m just disgusted by the fact that she got elected to Congress,” Jackson declared. “It does not portend well for our country. First of all, she wasn’t really elected by Americans. She was elected by a Somali community that maintains its sense of difference and distinction and, to use her words, ‘otherness.’ That’s who elected her. That’s why she’s in Congress. She didn’t go out and compete in the marketplace of ideas and talk to all Americans about everything. She didn’t go out and talk to Americans of all kinds of backgrounds, descents, economic status; no, she basically has been raised in the cocoon of a Somali community that set itself up in the Minneapolis area and that is the basis and the source of her power.”

Omar’s election, Jackson said, “points out something else, folks, that you need to understand: Islam doesn’t assimilate, Islam infiltrates.”

Fortunately, Virginia voters turned him away from office in 2013.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:27:20pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

He’s a massive micromanager involved in all facets of his campaign…except when there’s accusations of sexual harassment, then he magically is totally in the dark.

He learned that from Jane

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:30:57pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:31:12pm

Interesting … my wife was watching a video on pseudoscience, specifically homeopathy.

Last year there was a company that made baby teething tablets which were allegedly homeopathic. They were discovered to contain deadly nightshade (the source of barbital-based medications and what makes the plant so wildly poisonous).

The FDA demanded the tablets be removed from the market.

Out of curiosity I went looking up the statement from the FDA and the statement from the company.

The FDA was quite clear that deadly nightshade in the tablets was the reason for the mandatory ban, the company which sold them up until last year put up an FAQ for customers basically complaining of excessive government overreach by the FDA and a war on homeopathic teething tablets.

Free market baby.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:54:04pm

President Warren Declares National Emergency Over Decades Long Epidemic Of Gun Murders, Orders Massive Gun Crackdown

bypasses congress and judiciary in trump-style authoritarian executive rule begun during wall crisis

Conservative Supreme Court Regrets Yielding Power To Office Of President

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:55:57pm

President Warren Declares National Health Emergency, Orders All Health Insurance Policies To Be Managed Under Medicare For All

cites trump national immigration emergency used to construct wall as precedent

Conservative Majority Supreme Court Helpless Since Legal Precedent Already Set In 2019

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:56:47pm

re: #41 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

This assumes we will have another president.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:58:27pm

re: #42 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This assumes we will have another president.

i’m not sure we have one now

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Targetpractice  Jan 10, 2019 • 11:58:59pm

re: #40 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

President Warren Declares National Emergency Over Decades Long Epidemic Of Gun Murders, Orders Massive Gun Crackdown

bypasses congress and judiciary in trump-style authoritarian executive rule begun during wall crisis

Conservative Supreme Court Regrets Yielding Power To Office Of President

No, last line goes:

“Supreme Court Immediately Moves To Block Her, Setting Limits on Powers After Finding None During ‘Border Crisis’.”

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VegasGolfer  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:03:30am

Let tiny fingers declare a national emergency and set precedent to take land from legal land owners to build a stupid wall. Then when a Democrat gets elected president, then he (or she) declares a national emergency concerning homelessness, caring for refugees, overcoming unaffordable housing, etc., make states like Wyoming, North and South Dakota, Nebraska and other shithole and flyover states where there is vast land and nobody wants to live and build cities and all that goes with it to care for all these people. Republicans would have a fucking heart attack, instead of being quiet about how trump is shitting over all the norms that have existed in this country for over 200 years.
Ps. This won’t happen but I had this thought after a few adult beverages.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:04:53am

This guy is as good as it gets. All hand forged. sethgould.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:20:04am

re: #43 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i’m not sure we have one now

President-for-life Mitch McConnell.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:21:14am

re: #45 VegasGolfer

Let tiny fingers declare a national emergency and set precedent to take land from legal land owners to build a stupid wall. Then when a Democrat gets elected president, then he (or she) declares a national emergency concerning homelessness, caring for refugees, overcoming unaffordable housing, etc., make states like Wyoming, North and South Dakota, Nebraska and other shithole and flyover states where there is vast land and nobody wants to live and build cities and all that goes with it to care for all these people. Republicans would have a fucking heart attack, instead of being quiet about how trump is shitting over all the norms that have existed in this country for over 200 years.
Ps. This won’t happen but I had this thought after a few adult beverages.

Objection.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:29:04am

re: #48 Anymouse 🌹

Objection.

Explain, other than I listed one of the states where you live.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:45:34am

re: #47 Anymouse 🌹

President-for-life Mitch McConnell.

I give him no more than 10-15 years.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:47:26am

re: #49 VegasGolfer

Explain, other than I listed one of the states where you live.

other shithole and flyover states where there is vast land and nobody wants to live and build cities and all that goes with it to care for all these people.

All of our cities (yes, we have them) have Democratic majority governments (although Omaha has a Republican mayor after Daily Kos torpedoed the Democratic candidate for not being pure enough, which caused depressed turnout in an election which he was thought to win).

Nebraska per capita has the most refugees. Of the top ten states ranked by Pew Research, three are so-called blue states (Vermont, Washington, and Minnesota). The rest are those flyover states you mentioned, plus Kentucky.

California, New York, and Texas took in the most in absolute numbers but do not come close to the top ten per capita.

I don’t know what state you live in. All states are a mixture of liberals and conservatives, and a majority of people who don’t participate in the election process.

Those vast states are also where the country grows its food.

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VegasGolfer  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:54:11am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

I currently live in Vegas.
I thought you were gonna comment on the premise (as absurd as it may be) as it applies to what trump is going to try and do and the precedent it would set.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:54:18am

re: #51 Anymouse 🌹

In Federal money (tax out versus federal funds in), Nebraska is a donor state. (We pay more than we get back).

Coming up in the legislature is a new bill to repeal the death penalty referendum passed in 2014, which is expected to pass and be signed into law.

Maryjane will be on the ballot for the next election. Expect that to bring out a bunch of voters.

The last election had more Democrats run at all levels of government than history, and about 2-1 women to men candidates. Despite the national party ignoring this state for decades, the NDP managed to build up an impressive candidate pool for the election. Although I lost my seat on my village board, Democrats were elected to the county commission and the other two cities. Most notably, in a write-in campaign (because the candidate filed too late), the Democratic candidate for mayor in Bayard defeated the Republican incumbent 80-20%. That was a rout.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:57:04am

re: #52 VegasGolfer

I currently live in Vegas.
I thought you were gonna comment on the premise (as absurd as it may be) as it applies to what trump is going to try and do and the precedent it would set.

I have no idea what Trump is going to do. He changes his mind three times in one sentence.

I’m pretty sure he isn’t getting his wall even if he does make some sort of declaration which is immediately challenged in court. The attempted land seizures under GW Bush are still entangled in the courts.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2019 • 1:01:41am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 11, 2019 • 1:05:24am

This is prolly why Mitch won’t advance anything he would reject. This gives some clarity as to why.

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Anymouse 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 1:35:17am

Nighty-night, y’all.

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freetoken  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:05:11am
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freetoken  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:08:56am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

That opinion piece presumes that the Republicans in the Senate will actually care about whatever original intent the framers had in regards to government finances.

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freetoken  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:19:32am

Gah… Hulu have redone their user interface again… going with all grids.

It’s almost as if they expect their customers to be illiterate.

Give me lists with descriptions.

This is what Youtube did some time back too, making it a secret in how to arrange videos in a list, preferring to give a grid.

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freetoken  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:25:06am

“Simplify”… as in make it less useful:

Upcoming Hulu App Interface Changes Aim to Simplify Navigation and Aid Discoverability

That’s for the app, but it appears they are tweaking the browser interface also.

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freetoken  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:47:34am

Like so many other chats, the Hulu “chat” is pretty worthless.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2019 • 4:13:38am

I’ve just spent a half an hour of deep nostalgia in this thread:

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2019 • 4:15:17am

Informative (but scary) thread:

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Targetpractice  Jan 11, 2019 • 4:42:59am

re: #56 Dave In Austin

This is prolly why Mitch won’t advance anything he would reject. This gives some clarity as to why.

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Mitch won’t advance anything because if he passes a single spending bill now that doesn’t include wall funding, then the GOP totally loses the “Dems are holding the government hostage!” bit.

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jeffreyw  Jan 11, 2019 • 4:49:37am


Good morning!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:03:18am

moron is awake

Narrator’s Voice: Congress hasn’t approved it yet.

Narrator’s Voice: Donors paid lots of money for this

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:09:33am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

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Narrator’s Voice: Donors paid lots of money for this

show your math Donald.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:17:10am

It may be a tough weekend for some of us. Stay calm.

Lizards Ahead
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Scout  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:19:15am

re: #63 Barefoot Grin

I’ve just spent a half an hour of deep nostalgia in this thread:

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For me, I would say a color TV, followed by having a second TV, even if it was small and black and white.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:20:29am

re: #3 austin_blue

Last comment CL’d! Brilliant!

re: #314 HappyWarrior

She’s good.

She *is* good. She’s open to criticism that she is learning as she goes along. And she is a master of twitter snark. Note also that she was a producer of that BU video. And a hell of a dancer. She’s got a certain charisma, and you don’t get that by being an idiot.

I look forward to her impact this Congressional session.

I mean, really, why isn’t a 70% tax on families making over $10 million a year reasonable? We have a graduated tax structure where all income below $10 million is taxed at a lower level.

It’s not like if you make $10,000,001 a year the government is going to reduce your income to $3 million dollars, and if you make $9,999,999, your income would be $6.3 million.

Sadly, the vast majority of Americans have no idea what graduated tax is and how it works.

If we dropped a 70% tax on all income over $10 million/year we would be in much better shape.

If we reinstituted the “Death Tax” on family wealth (with reasonable exceptions) we would be in much better shape.

Oh, and if we removed the Social Security Tax cap and required the that tax be applied to *all* income, SS would be much closer to out of the hole tomorrow.

And if we indexed Capital Gains and treated it as income, we would be much closer to being out of the Medicare/Medicaid hole tomorrow.

It won’t happen, of course, but it would go a long way to attack the deficit.

I remember arguing with some dip shit when Obama wanted to raise the top marginal rate to 36% who insisted it would cause people to deliberately earn less money because the higher tax rate wouldn’t make it worth it. The tax hawks are fucking nuts.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:21:20am

Shit is continually exhausting. NPR, like so many other outlets, are utterly beholden to the idea that ‘Real America’ and only ‘Real America’ should count, whether it be votes or opinion. They are not only literally the only group that matters, but the only group that should exist, period, apparently.

EDIT: And on cue, some numpty chimed in about why it was sooooo damn important that wall supporters and only wall supporters get the voice:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:35:40am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:36:38am

re: #70 Scout

For me, I would say a color TV, followed by having a second TV, even if it was small and black and white.

Yeah, well into my teen years we had a B/W tv with a broken knob—had to use needle-nose pliers to change channels. It was a big deal when we got a Zenith with a remote (still only four channels, though).

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:37:16am

Thread on the very not-feasible wall from a structural engineer:

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jeffreyw  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:40:57am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

This gave me pause, coming in the next comment after my “Good morning!” post.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:43:21am

re: #72 Citizen K

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I’m listening people who actually live near the border rather than Trump. A man who by his own admission doesn’t read so why should I take wall proponents seriously when their ringleader doesn’t know squat about the border.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:45:16am

re: #75 Barefoot Grin

Thread on the very not-feasible wall from a structural engineer:

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I’ve been reading people like that too. The biggest proponents of the wall are people far from the border whose views on immigration come from Trump and FNC and barely know any f any immigrants.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:45:30am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I’m listening people who actually live near the border rather than Trump. A man who by his own admission doesn’t read so why should I take wall proponents seriously when their ringleader doesn’t know squat about the border.

Because they’re ‘Real Americans’. They count more than us.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:46:27am

re: #79 Citizen K

Because they’re ‘Real Americans’. They count more than us.

That’s pretty much always the implication that “the heartland “ matters more.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:49:47am

re: #29 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ripe AF

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As much as I love avocados … these don’t look too good …

The price is good tho.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:51:50am

If you believe Donald Trump about the wall and immigrants, you are a cultist.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:58:48am

I’m seeing in Randy’s Twitter thread about Amy’s points that there’s a positive financial benefit too for Trump and this wall. Now that would make sense. A lot of people argue that Trump really isn’t ideological, I don’t agree, it’s not a well thought ideology but Trumpism is American flavored Fascism IMO but he would have a financial motive too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 5:59:17am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

I neglected the link to the Libertarian Party Park Cleanup effort.

lp.org

They have links to spreadsheets listing different parks and times, and a page to create a cleanup if you don’t see one close to you.

I presume you could just show up without giving them your telephone number and E-mail address; I imagine they wouldn’t turn away additional help.

or give them a fake number or the number of the local GOP office

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:02:11am

Today’s Google doodle is dedicated to Earl Scruggs.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:05:34am

This diary walks through the Congressional requirements if the president declares a national emergency: dailykos.com. The short form: If the approriate Committee in either chamber passes out a recommendation to terminate it, it must be voted on by that chamber in three days. If it passes that chamber, the other chamber must vote on it in 15 days. This wouldn’t have been an issue if Republicans had maintained control of the House, but now that Democrats control it, they can force the vote.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:06:45am

re: #7 Dave In Austin

And this is why I often put on How It’s Made in the background. The scenes are mesmerizing as stuff is getting produced.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:12:10am

re: #82 Unshaken Defiance

If you believe Donald Trump about the wall and immigrants, you are a cultist.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:13:23am

Morning!

Look what I found checking out some comments at a racing forum. Posted by a New Zealander.

It was a good way to start my day.

American Donald

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:14:46am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:15:49am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.

— Donald J. Trump

Narrator: DJT has no idea what an H1-B is.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:16:07am

re: #82 Unshaken Defiance

Then you’ve got people trying to make excuses for Trump dissembling and saying that he didn’t mean it about the full wall, and that a smaller wall is acceptable.

Umm… no. Trump has lied about every aspect of the wall and immigration policy because it’s a dog whistle and white nationalist value signaling to his base that this is what they want and he’s fighting for it.

Trump repeatedly lies about the economics of the wall, from the cost to how much it’ll add to the economy (it wont).

Know what will grow the economy more? Improving and expanding immigration so that more people can come here legally. Why? Because those people consume goods and buy stuff and sell stuff and add value to the economy. They also create value and we would benefit from spending more on clearing the backlog of visa overstays (which is how and why most are here illegally now). Undocumented persons commit crimes at a far lower rate than native born Americans by a wide margin.

But the people who think that the dark skinned folks are coming to murder them in their sleep in their cabins in Montana are the ones who are furthest from the border.

Oh, and Trump self-pwned yesterday when DHS showed him stuff from a tunnel discovered under one of the wall segments we do have.

People can: go over, under, and through the border wall. Without constant cost of patrolling the border, it’s a meaningless blight on the landscape. There is no crisis but for the one Trump manufactured.

And Trump the great negotiator has no way out. He doesn’t have an exit plan and doesn’t know what he can do to end the shutdown without caving to Democrats.

That’s why he’s pushing the national emergency angle. He thinks he can use that to extort what he wants from Democrats. Except on that he undercuts himself when he claims Mexico is paying for the wall via the new deal. If Mexico’s paying, why shut down government, and then ask for ratification of his NAFTA 2.0 (USMCA) and appropriate the funds from the revenue? The reason is he doesn’t know what is in the deal, that’s not how it works, and he’s just baffling with BS some more. But someone has to keep calling him out for this and Democrats need to craft something that will pass both House and Senate and get enough votes to veto override anything Trump throws their way.

The longer this goes, the more pressure is on the GOP, which continues to enable this corrupt admin. He looks weaker by the day, precisely because he’s trying to claim an emergency and crisis when crossings are at multidecade lows and have been trending down for years.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:17:07am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I’m listening people who actually live near the border rather than Trump. A man who by his own admission doesn’t read so why should I take wall proponents seriously when their ringleader doesn’t know squat about the border.

He. Doesn’t. Need. To. Read. He. Just. Knooowwwwws.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:18:13am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:18:52am

re: #92 lawhawk

Will 150 miles of new structure, where no barrier exists today, be considered a win for the wall? There are already 654 miles of existing barrier. He’s not even planning to build half of what his predecessors built before him.
— Sam Hopkins

The Wall doesn’t matter, just the Win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:19:10am

re: #81 Sea Mexican

As much as I love avocados … these don’t look too good …

The price is good tho.

Now I have a chance of affording a home soon…

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steve_davis  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:22:10am

re: #9 Anymouse 🌹

[Embedded content]

I still have not gotten to where I will buy Romaine in a store. That shit is just a death trap.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:22:47am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:22:54am

re: #97 steve_davis

I still have not gotten to where I will buy Romaine in a store. That shit is just a death trap.

Yeah, fool me once shame on me, fool me twice don’t fool me again shame.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:23:07am

re: #97 steve_davis

I still have not gotten to where I will buy Romaine in a store. That shit is just a death trap.

Think about it, it was probably picked by an illegal immigrant.

Ergo: NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:23:30am
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:23:54am
Officials have given President Trump a plan to divert funds designated for Army Corps of Engineers projects in California and Puerto Rico to help pay for a wall along the southern border, a leading member of Congress said Thursday.

latimes.com

Donald Trump is an enemy of the State. California that is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:28:38am

re: #102 Unshaken Defiance

latimes.com

Donald Trump is an enemy of the State. California that is.

Yeah but Californians aren’t real Merikans.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:28:40am
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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:29:08am

re: #102 Unshaken Defiance

He’s an enemy of the state of Texas, too.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:30:37am
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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:33:43am

Man, the stupid never stops.

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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:34:38am

re: #85 I Would Prefer Not To

Today’s Google doodle is dedicated to Earl Scruggs.

Foggy Mountain Breakdown - Earl Scruggs

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:37:52am

re: #28 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

The horrible crime of being born American.

You mean like the Russians that pay to come to Trump properties to have an anchor baby?

It only costs $84,700 for the high end package.

Daily Beast - Russians Flock to Trump Properties to Give Birth to U.S. Citizens

A couple paragraphs from out of the article.

The Florida Trump properties are convenient options for wealthy Russians who can afford it. They are notorious for being investment properties for Russia’s hyper-wealthy, a safe place to store savings in U.S. dollars. And birth-tourism companies offer Trump apartments as part of packages costing upwards of $75,000.

SVM-MED, a Miami birth-tourism company that also boasts outposts in Moscow and Kiev, offers three tiers of packages to its clients, with the top two advertising lodging in Trump Towers. The most expensive package costs $84,700 for a Trump Tower II apartment with a gold-tiled bathtub and chauffeured Cadillac Escalade or Mercedes Benz.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:38:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:38:37am

re: #107 jaunte

Man, the stupid never stops.

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Uh no. You can respond but you won’t be correcting except trips to corrections.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:39:30am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Yeah but Californians aren’t real Merikans.

And there are obviously no Republicans among them

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:40:27am

re: #107 jaunte

Man, the stupid never stops.

[Embedded content]

Giuliani’s father was involved in organized crime. Everything Rudy does in the era of Trump suggests that the acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:40:34am

re: #112 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And there are obviously no Republicans among them

There won’t be many longer if this is the GOP’s response to forest fires.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:41:49am

re: #107 jaunte

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:44:24am

I love this thread. Some of the names they came up with are funny.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:46:24am

re: #116 MsJ

Kinda on the nose here with this one:

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:46:35am

re: #107 jaunte

Man, the stupid never stops.

1. Trump Team should be allowed to correct Mueller Report.
2. Trump Team should be allowed to write Mueller Report.
3. Mueller Report should not be written.
4. Mueller’s Team of 17 21 Angry Democrats should be impeached.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:47:34am

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is awake

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Narrator’s Voice: Donors paid lots of money for this

I wish someone in our media would ask for an exact accounting of how a trade bill brings money directly to the federal budget and then can be used for things like a protective wall.

I’m waiting…

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:49:23am
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:50:21am

re: #115 Citizen K

If they did it they way some of my teachers did, that would be fun. Team Trump should have to show their work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:51:38am

re: #121 Belafon

If they did it they way some of my teachers did, that would be fun. Team Trump should have to show their work.

It would just be Crooked Hillary in several fonts tho.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:52:02am

re: #104 jaunte

I can’t wait for Team MAGA to start doxxing the owners of the private land at the border, demanding that they hand over their land “if they really love America and want to MAGA.”

/

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:54:34am

re: #115 Citizen K

And students should be allowed to ‘correct’ the grades of their final exams as a check on their teachers. Brilliant idea.

Rapists should be allowed to “correct” the testimony of their victims…

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:55:09am

This idiot has almost 18 thousand followers.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:55:48am

re: #93 Sir John Barron

He. Doesn’t. Need. To. Read. He. Just. Knooowwwwws.

Books are for losers and do nothing for the best minds. This Trump will tell you.

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steve_davis  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:57:15am

re: #74 Barefoot Grin

i didn’t realize that Star Trek was in color until 1975, when I went across the street to a friend’s house.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:57:21am

re: #100 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Think about it, it was probably picked by an illegal immigrant.

Ergo: NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT

They come to this country bringing their dirty lettuce…

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:57:29am

Trump’s new H1-B simplified application form:

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:57:45am

re: #116 MsJ

I love this thread. Some of the names they came up with are funny.

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Ok, there goes my day…

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:58:40am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 6:59:22am

re: #130 Barefoot Grin

Ok, there goes my day…

[Embedded content]

I believe they called him The Mouth.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:00:21am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:00:58am

re: #133 MsJ

Refresh the above. I included the video.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:01:34am

re: #25 Anymouse 🌹

40 years of Right Wing Jesus has severely dumbed down the nation.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:02:11am

re: #106 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

I ride Rob Portman hard on this.

He had campaign ads bought and paid for by the NRA. They claim it wasn’t a direct contribution to his campaign, so all is cool.

Finally heard a comment from The Mighty Rob Portman this morning on local Columbus news.

He says this border mess is a problem created by both sides.

But he is working hard on legislation that would stop any government shutdowns in the future.

I’m sure Mitch McConnell will get right on that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:03:06am

re: #127 steve_davis

i didn’t realize that Star Trek was in color until 1975, when I went across the street to a friend’s house.

I did, but I had to watch it downstairs on the b/w portable because my folks didn’t like it

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:03:20am

re: #132 MsJ

I believe they called him The Mouth.

I think I’d be Johnny Blues.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:03:24am

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:04:29am

I never wanted to surf but this makes me rethink that decision. That and I live in the midwest.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:04:31am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:05:28am

SHOCKKA!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:06:06am

re: #142 MsJ

SHOCKKA!

[Embedded content]

Typical right wing asshole. He could be one of Trump’s sons with that shit.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:07:01am

“…Sen. John Cornyn has been supplementing his Senate salary for six years with pensions earned from his days as a Texas judge and attorney general - retirement payments that went undisclosed for several years.

Cornyn’s most recent annual disclosure statement, filed last month, shows he collected $65,383 from three Texas pension plans in 2012. That’s on top of his $174,000 Senate salary.”
dallasnews.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:07:21am

re: #144 jaunte

Yeah empty gesture Johnny.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:07:50am

re: #107 jaunte

Man, the stupid never stops.

[Embedded content]

Yeah Rudy, you rewrite that special investigation report.

I mentioned the other night Lawrence O’Donnell heard Rudy had told a confidant the Mueller Report’s contents were going to be “horrific.”

I’m thinking Rudy knows this isn’t going to be good, so he continues to do his crap flinging.

And then he sends another invoice for his defense of Trump fees.

20 hours of TV bullshit @ $1,500 per hour = $30,000

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:08:00am

re: #141 jaunte

Pelosi should attach it to a bill funding SNAP.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:10:04am

Uhm…

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:11:54am

re: #124 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Rapists should be allowed to “correct” the testimony of their victims…

Doesn’t Trump and some of his buddies already do that?

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:12:49am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:12:53am

re: #148 MsJ

I am not clicking on that link. I am using public internet at the moment and I do not need to see or go to something that is Not Suitable For Work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:12:58am

re: #148 MsJ

Uhm…

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Yeah from what I understand they’re trying to push ACO posed for nude photos. Apparently a bunch of foot fetishists debunked that. I’m not making that up.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:13:05am

re: #107 jaunte

EXCLUSIVE: Trump team should be allowed to “correct” final Mueller report, says Giuliani

Man, the stupid never stops.

[Embedded content]

Do your own goddamn homework

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:13:32am

re: #141 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Rather than Congressfolks showing solidarity with other federal employees and not receive their pay, how about actually helping and turn the government on so everyone can get paid?

Millionaires forgoing paychecks aren’t going to hurt them.

Are these Senators including their staff in the folks who will be refusing checks?

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:14:40am

1. The midterms showed King could be defeated.
2. King now faces a credible primary challenger, which he has not in the past.
3. Forcefully condemning King now could dissuade him from seeking a 10th term.
4. Iowa will be a battleground again in 2020 for president, Senate and House — and King could be a drag on the rest of the GOP ticket.
5. Republican presidential aspirants have been reluctant to cross King in the past because he commands a loyal following among the devoted grass-roots activists who attend low-turnout caucuses in outsize numbers, but there’s no nominating fight to worry about in 2020.
6. Because they now control the majority, House Democrats can force Republicans to take a position on King.
7. The donor community and the business world have turned on King.
8. Conservative thought leaders are ready to write King out of the movement.

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:15:04am

re: #148 MsJ

Uhm…

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:15:34am

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

I am not clicking on that link. I am using public internet at the moment and I do not need to see or go to something that is Not Suitable For Work.

There’s literally nothing there. But this is pretty funny.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:15:57am

re: #154 bd(Redacted)

Rather than Congressfolks showing solidarity with other federal employees and not receive their pay, how about actually helping and turn the government on so everyone can get paid?

Millionaires forgoing paychecks aren’t going to hurt them.

Are these Senators including their staff in the folks who will be refusing checks?

Senate Democrats are refusing to vote on other legislation until the shutdown has ended, so Republicans are trying to set up a “Why won’t Democrats not get paid like we don’t want to” scenario. And then if Democrats do vote on it, then Republicans will argue why can’t they vote for other stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:15:58am

re: #155 MsJ

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We’ll see but I bet they’ll chicken out in the end.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:16:00am

re: #156 Archangelus

I have a tiny question mark in the center.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:16:43am

re: #72 Citizen K

This is why I stopped giving to NPR ever since they made that sharp right turn when Nina Tottenburg endlessly lied about Anita Hill.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:19:02am

re: #13 Dave In Austin

Over in freeperville, they’re loving the “cruz sporting facial hair”.

Gag, retch.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:19:28am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

We’ll see but I bet they’ll chicken out in the end.

Maybe. There is a change coming, though.

All of this is really something to me. We’re watching people who are not politically stupid do some of the stupidest things (McConnell and Graham specifically) and I don’t get it.

Anyway, from the article.

“Last week, as the new Congress was sworn in, Mr. King sat on his side of a chamber sharply delineated by demographics,” the story concludes. “The Democratic majority included record numbers of African-Americans and women, including the first Native American and the first Muslim women. Mr. King’s side was mostly people who look like him. ‘You could look over there and think the Democratic Party is no country for white men,’ he said.”

And yes, that change is going to affect you racist motherfucker. To which I say GOOD.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:21:03am

re: #162 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Over in freeperville, they’re loving the “cruz sporting facial hair”.

Gag, retch.

Well, the less you see of his face isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:21:25am

re: #160 PhillyPretzel

I have a tiny question mark in the center.

Yeah, I re-uploaded, image library is showing that the first image upload is ~20% smaller than it’s supposed to be; not the first time that’s happened…

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:22:49am

re: #165 Archangelus

It is appearing now.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:23:20am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:24:37am

re: #167 MsJ

Serve him right. Do not abuse your animals. They will get you if you do.

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retired cynic  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:24:53am

re: #61 freetoken

“Simplify”… as in make it less useful:

Upcoming Hulu App Interface Changes Aim to Simplify Navigation and Aid Discoverability

That’s for the app, but it appears they are tweaking the browser interface also.

Sorry if this has already been said, but just have a toggle at the top with List View as an option.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:25:44am

re: #162 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Over in freeperville, they’re loving the “cruz sporting facial hair”.

Gag, retch.

I thought “beards = ISIS”?!?!

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:26:03am

Great. Fucking great.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:28:04am

re: #171 makeitstop

Great. Fucking great.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:28:27am

re: #171 makeitstop

I hope that does not happen to the Nat’l Weather Service. At least Wunderground and the Weather Channel have decent forecasts.

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:29:47am

re: #166 PhillyPretzel

It is appearing now.

Odd. Same exact file, first “successful” upload is 57,981 bytes, second is 71,165 bytes.
Ironically, it’s election season here right now, and the last time the same exact thing happened was in 2015, during the last local election season. Hmmmm… “Coincidence?! I think not!!!”…. ;D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:30:51am

re: #172 MsJ

How the shutdown is hurting farmers

there is a cavalier attitude in much of the Right that the US government is useless at best and that shutting it down is no big deal and worth the slight “inconvenience” in order to own the Dems

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:30:52am

re: #171 makeitstop

Great. Fucking great.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:30:52am

re: #163 MsJ

Maybe. There is a change coming, though.

All of this is really something to me. We’re watching people who are not politically stupid do some of the stupidest things (McConnell and Graham specifically) and I don’t get it.

Anyway, from the article.

And yes, that change is going to affect you racist motherfucker. To which I say GOOD.

I don’t know how he can say that crap about white men when our Senate leader is a white guy and indeed the most popular candidate right now (Biden) is a white guy. King just can’t handle people who don’t look like him or have junk like him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:32:07am

re: #170 GlutenFreeJesus

I thought “beards = ISIS”?!?!

Cruz claimed that a Jewish friend told him his beard makes him look like a rabbi. My buddy recently observed and I don’t know if any of you watch Santa Clarita Diet but look like Principal Novak from that show.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:32:34am

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:33:11am

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:33:22am

JFC. Read this. How am I continually surprised by the stupidity of these people? Yet I am.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:34:11am

re: #180 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Unfortunately yes. That is what they want. :(

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:34:44am

“Mexico Will Pay for the Wall” will go down in history along with “Brexit will save us 50 million Pounds per day for the National Health Service” as one of the great campaign lies of history.

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Archangelus  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:37:05am

re: #181 MsJ

JFC. Read this. How am I continually surprised by the stupidity of these people? Yet I am.

[Embedded content]

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garzooma  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:37:35am

re: #107 jaunte

Man, the stupid never stops.

[Embedded content]
Trump team should be allowed to “correct” final Mueller report, says Giuliani

It’s called a trial, Rudy.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:38:07am

re: #136 ObserverArt

I ride Rob Portman hard on this.

He had campaign ads bought and paid for by the NRA. They claim it wasn’t a direct contribution to his campaign, so all is cool.

Finally heard a comment from The Mighty Rob Portman this morning on local Columbus news.

He says this border mess is a problem created by both sides.

But he is working hard on legislation that would stop any government shutdowns in the future.

I’m sure Mitch McConnell will get right on that.

Neither side (or the WH) wants to prevent potential shutdowns in the future because a shutdown threat is leverage one side or the other has to try and extract concessions. Same with the debt ceiling.

We’ve seen the WH or Congress use a shutdown threat to try and force concessions and issues to get resolved. They shouldn’t be using a costly shutdown to achieve those goals, but it’s what they do. Usually the threat of a shutdown is enough to get sides talking, but Trump isn’t talking or negotiating in good faith. He’s a saboteur who doesn’t care about negotiating or compromise. He wants what he wants, and when he doesn’t get what he wants, he stomps off and thinks that he can declare a national emergency because he didn’t get his way.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:41:57am

re: #185 garzooma

It’s called a trial, Rudy.

John Gacy probably wished he could have “corrected” the Chicago PD.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:43:09am

re: #181 MsJ

JFC. Read this. How am I continually surprised by the stupidity of these people? Yet I am.

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With Trump? I really am not anymore. I think he’s one of the most unintelligent people i’ve ever seen in public life and he’s surrounded by people who are either equally unintelligent or afraid to call out his bullshit. I think he really thought he would just bully the Mexican government into paying for a wall and that would be that. He had no plan at all.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:46:21am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

DT thought he could bluff his way through. Problem is Vincente Fox is as sly as his last name would imply and DT is left holding the bag of BS.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:47:09am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

With Trump? I really am not anymore. I think he’s one of the most unintelligent people i’ve ever seen in public life and he’s surrounded by people who are either equally unintelligent or afraid to call out his bullshit. I think he really thought he would just bully the Mexican government into paying for a wall and that would be that. He had no plan at all.

I am sure that blackmail and extortion are part of his life long Art of the Criminality Deal.

That they put this in the public eye is what stuns me. It’s on a website. It’s fucking written down. They really have lost the “things you say out loud when you think them” vs “things you never say out loud even though you think them” concept and they are actively showing us how forking dumb they are.

It stuns me. Every damn day it stuns me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:50:25am

re: #189 PhillyPretzel

DT thought he could bluff his way through. Problem is Vincente Fox is as sly as his last name would imply and DT is left holding the bag of BS.

Well Fox hasn’t been Mexico’s President in a decade but yes the Mexican government isn’t stupid and weren’t going to be bullied by this jagoff.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:50:57am

re: #190 MsJ

I am sure that blackmail and extortion are part of his life long Art of the Criminality Deal.

That they put this in the public eye is what stuns me. It’s on a website. It’s fucking written down. They really have lost the “things you say out loud when you think them” vs “things you never say out loud even though you think them” concept and they are actively showing us how forking dumb they are.

It stuns me. Every damn day it stuns me.

I’m almost numb to it. I still to have shockers though I guess.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:51:37am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

Exactly.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:53:31am
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:55:45am

re: #194 jaunte

Just like The Great Wall of China. It is still there but it was breached by the Manchus. They bought their way through.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:56:19am

re: #63 Barefoot Grin

I’ve just spent a half an hour of deep nostalgia in this thread:

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I am thoroughly enjoying this thread. Thank you for sharing it.

Memories, indeed.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 7:57:06am
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:02:31am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

With Trump? I really am not anymore. I think he’s one of the most unintelligent people i’ve ever seen in public life and he’s surrounded by people who are either equally unintelligent or afraid to call out his bullshit. I think he really thought he would just bully the Mexican government into paying for a wall and that would be that. He had no plan at all.

When Sam Nunberg is a top political adviser on something like Mexico paying for a wall, you have problems.

Here is Nunberg’s career from Wiki. It’s nuts. Snakes all the way down. He and Trump have been in and out with each other for years. Suits abound.

While working as a volunteer for the Mitt Romney 2008 presidential campaign, Nunberg met and was hired by attorney Jay Sekulow to work at the American Center for Law & Justice in an attempt to stop the construction of the Park51 mosque.[6] While working there he met political operative Roger Stone, whom he has described as his mentor and “surrogate father”.[7][8][9]

Nunberg began working for Trump, as a consultant, in 2011,[10], after Trump decided not to run for president in 2012.[1] Nunberg assisted in the writing of Trump’s 2011 speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference.[11] His other work during the period included being the director of the Middle East Forum’s Legal Project from January 2012 to November 2014.[4][12]

After being hired by Trump, Nunberg told friends that the more that Trump considered a presidential run, the more consulting work for Stone and him.[10] In February 2014 Nunberg was fired by Trump after he arranged a BuzzFeed interview that ended up being highly critical of Trump; the headline was “36 Hours on The Fake Campaign Trail with Donald Trump.”[4][13] In February 2015 he was rehired by Trump, as a communications adviser for the Trump campaign,[14] but was let go, shortly thereafter, by then-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski.[1]

Nunberg was rehired by the campaign in April 2015[1]; between then and the beginning of July he was paid $15,139 by the campaign.[15] Nunberg, along with Stone, helped prepare Trump for the first Republican debate, on August 6, 2015.[16] Nunberg was fired at the end of July[13] after old Facebook posts which contained racist comments were published.[15] In March 2016 Nunberg endorsed Senator Ted Cruz for president, saying that Trump “does not have a coherent political ideology.”[4]

In July 2016 Trump sued Nunberg for $10 million, accusing Nunberg of violating a confidentiality agreement by leaking information to the New York Post.[17] In a legal response, Nunberg said that Trump might have illegally funneled corporate money into the campaign.[18] Trump and Nunberg settled their legal dispute in August 2016.[18][19]

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:02:58am

re: #194 jaunte

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Yeah let’s listen to you guy who doesn’t understand why white supremacism is bad. BTW it’s a misdemeanor and the people are applying for asylum which you have to do in our borders but you don’t know that because you nor Trump knows shit about immigration because you’re a pair of bigoted old kooks who lie to even more bigoted kooks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:03:45am

re: #198 ObserverArt

When Sam Nunberg is a top political adviser on something like Mexico paying for a wall, you have problems.

Here is Nunberg’s career from Wiki. It’s nuts. Snakes all the way down. He and Trump have been in and out with each other for years. Suits abound.

Jesus man.

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plansbandc  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:03:58am

re: #120 MsJ

Now I want pizza.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:04:58am

As Nick Confessore said last night on MSNBC, “The Trump Organization wasn’t built for the highway, it was built for the back streets.”

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:05:22am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:05:51am

re: #201 plansbandc

Now I want pizza.

Don’t you mean Pi x z x z x a? :D :D :D

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:06:48am

Both siding the shutdown…

No. Just fucking stop.

This isn’t both Democrats and Republicans at fault.

This is Trump and McConnell at fault, and the GOP falling in behind them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:09:05am

re: #203 MsJ

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George is a terrible person politically but he’s a Grade A troll. Gotta give him that.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:11:24am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

George is a terrible person politically but he’s a Grade A troll. Gotta give him that.

More shit I don’t understand. That marriage.

These days everything is confusing. Every thing.

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Alephnaught  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:12:12am

re: #93 Sir John Barron

He. Doesn’t. Need. To. Read. He. Just. Knooowwwwws.

“I don’t read, I just guess.”

Happy Mondays - Wrote for Luck (audio only)

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:12:48am

re: #207 MsJ

I get the broken syntax in Conway’s tweet. I still do not understand DT.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:15:34am

re: #209 PhillyPretzel

I get the broken syntax in Conway’s tweet. I still do not understand DT.

Neither does anyone else, including trump.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:16:56am

Yes.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:21:11am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:22:33am
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sagehen  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:23:21am

re: #117 lawhawk

Kinda on the nose here with this one:

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and this one as well:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:23:35am

re: #213 MsJ

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FFS.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:24:30am

out and out lying. flat fucking out lying.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:26:54am

re: #216 MsJ

The danger to the country does begin with the letter “D” but it is not the Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:27:50am

re: #216 MsJ

out and out lying. flat fucking out lying.

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Talk to the people in McAllen, Texas and not your professional asslicker, Lumpy Hannity, dipshit.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:34:51am

They’re saying it out loud again.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:35:21am

Good morning, all.

I flew back from Miami yesterday after another short trip (might as well spend the money while it still has some value). I haven’t been in MIA often enough to know whether the crowds were unusual (plus I’m normally precleared — even if you’re on the list, they randomly send you through the regular lines about one time in four, always at the worst possible time), but it didn’t seem particularly bad to me.

We were all checked through (including the guy whose luggage went through four times — “Oh, that’s ALSO electronics? Just like the ones you took out of my luggage for separate screening on the first, second and third runs?”) by polite and friendly TSA people WHO WILL NOT BE PAID TODAY. Meanwhile, it is the fucking job of Congress and the President to keep the government running, and they’re not doing it… but they’ll get their pay on schedule. Grrr.

(Yes, Mitch McConnell is primarily to blame, but the Repugs in the Senate who are not now working on removing him as Senate Majority Leader and reopening the government are as responsible as he is.)

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:36:34am

re: #219 MsJ

They’re saying it out loud again.

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It’s a damned good thing these people are as stupid as they are.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:36:47am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:40:07am

re: #216 MsJ

…Cryin’ Chuck and Nancy…

What, no nic for Pelosi? I propose “Nancy, my nemesis.”

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:41:26am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I don’t think that bill goes anywhere since the threat of shutdowns is often used to extract concessions in the past. As much as it is a good government idea - to keep govt running using CRs that don’t interrupt functioning govt, the GOP and Trump aren’t going to sign that bill when sabotage is their current MO.

They’ve done the same thing around the debt ceiling too. Things that should be automatic turn into shutdown threats that hold the economy and therefore the public hostage to threats of economic harm (and we’re already seeing the harms to millions).

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:42:04am

re: #223 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

DT cannot admit he is afraid of her. By not giving her a disparaging nick name he admits his fear of her.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:42:13am

And let’s be clear here. Who exactly is trying to rein her in? It doesn’t seem to be Pelosi or leadership. It’s something else entirely.

Let her do her thing. Let the GOP lose what’s left of their goddamned minds over AOC. And the media keeps targeting her instead of the goddamned Nazi Steve King and white nationalist curious Scalise and the rest of the white nationalists in the GOP.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:42:31am

The Guardian:
‘Brought to Jesus’: the evangelical grip on the Trump administration

In setting out the Trump administration’s Middle East policy, one of the first things Mike Pompeo made clear to his audience in Cairo is that he had come to the region as “as an evangelical Christian”.

In his speech at the American University, Pompeo said that in his state department office: “I keep a Bible open on my desk to remind me of God and his word, and the truth.”

Among other things, Pompeo believes in the Rapture. Like the boiling frog, we here in the States have been exposed to this gradually, and perhaps no longer realize just how strange and dangerous it is to inject this superstition into real world policy.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:45:13am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This sounds great, but it also decentivizes any side from negotiating

No shit, Sherlock. Before Gingrich (remember him?) initiated the tactic, no-one was evil enough to hold millions of people hostage to make their political points.

Also, “decentivize” isn’t a word.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:46:03am

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I remember Sputnik in 1957, and now I have lived to see this.

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Waiting for Rocky Jones and Winky to come out of the Stargazer!

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Teukka  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:46:51am

re: #226 lawhawk

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And let’s be clear here. Who exactly is trying to rein her in? It doesn’t seem to be Pelosi or leadership. It’s something else entirely.

Let her do her thing. Let the GOP lose what’s left of their goddamned minds over AOC. And the media keeps targeting her instead of the goddamned Nazi Steve King and white nationalist curious Scalise and the rest of the white nationalists in the GOP.

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:47:35am
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plansbandc  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:48:52am

Was listening to the latest Pod Save America and those guys said that Dipshit’s staff is basically made up of third and fourth tier Fox News castoffs.

No surprise they’re wildly incompetent like their boss.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:50:42am

More feel good stuff.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:50:47am

re: #226 lawhawk

I still like William Shakespeare’s “Hell hath no fury like a woman’s scorn.”

Scorned I am told is how the quote should end. Thanks.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:52:34am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:55:04am

re: #234 PhillyPretzel

I still like William Shakespeare’s “Hell hath no fury like a woman’s scorn.”

“…a woman scorned.”

/nitpicker

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:56:05am

re: #236 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

That’s okay. I am not perfect. :)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:57:11am

re: #194 jaunte

Various RWNJ:
“Hey, we never said and the president never said anything about a concrete wall across the whole 1000 miles of border….”

Steve King:
“BUILD THE GREAT CONCRETE WALL OF CONCRETE ALL ALONG THE BORDER THAT WILL LAST FOREVER AND EVER.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2019 • 8:58:05am

This is my congressperson:

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:01:24am
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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:01:34am

The Jayme Closs case in Wisconsin is proof WE NEED THE WALL!!!! (Do I really need sarcasm tags?)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:03:12am

re: #226 lawhawk

And let’s be clear here. Who exactly is trying to rein her in? It doesn’t seem to be Pelosi or leadership. It’s something else entirely.

The Democratic punditry maybe.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:03:49am

bbl

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gocart mozart  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:03:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:04:36am

re: #242 Sir John Barron

The Democratic punditry maybe.

Yeah that I can see but Pelosi seems to have no problem with her. I like AOC. She has a passion and energy that we’ve missed some in recent years.r

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:05:08am

re: #241 GlutenFreeJesus

The Jayme Closs case in Wisconsin is proof WE NEED THE WALL!!!! (Do I really need sarcasm tags?)

Did they hold their presser yet saying what happened? I haven’t seen anything yet other than it was planned.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:05:42am

re: #244 gocart mozart

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You do live in a safe country dimwit where crime has been dropping. Stop acting like immigrants are the criminals when it’s actually US citizens at a much higher rate. Maybe if you actually left your high crime white bread shithole where the demographics haven’t changed since 1940, you would know that.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:06:20am

Republicans are fascist monsters.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:09:04am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:10:16am

This is Bunny’s first real winter, she will be a year old next month. During first snowfall of this winter she didn’t like it at all. Now she “asks” to go out and has no problem sitting out there “hunting” the squirrels and birds. The little girl is growing up. When she is ready to come in she whines at the back door.

Bunny hunting
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:10:22am

re: #219 MsJ

They’re saying it out loud again.

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And the Democrats already know this and will hold the fort.

I think the Dems are trying very hard to push Trump into doing something so illegal it forces even reluctant Republicans to really consider impeachment.

He is getting close to really stepping in it. And McConnell knows it too.

The pressure is on Trump. He is not good under pressure.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:10:38am

re: #226 lawhawk

AOC asked to represent her constituents. She’s been outspoken about the bias towards business that’s been built into the system. She didn’t ask to have fake pictures published. She didn’t ask to be turned into a Republican talking point, and we shouldn’t accept the GOP framing.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:10:38am

re: #246 MsJ

Did they hold their presser yet saying what happened? I haven’t seen anything yet other than it was planned.

Here it is.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:12:35am

re: #222 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah, there it is. Robby Portman. The Ohio Mouse that roars.

Squeak!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:12:36am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans are fascist monsters.

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Maybe if you actually read about the border, you’d realize the issue is entirely your pal Trump, you idiot.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:12:53am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:13:04am

re: #252 Belafon

AOC asked to represent her constituents. She’s been outspoken about the bias towards that’s been built into the system. She didn’t ask to have fake pictures published. She didn’t ask to be turned into a Republican talking point, and we shouldn’t accept the GOP framing.

Exactly.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:14:13am

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Republicans are fascist monsters.

In what sense are Republicans “negotiating in good faith”?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:16:08am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:17:22am

It’s hilarious seeing a Freedumb Caucus crybaby accuse anyone of overpoliticizing or acting in bad faith.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:18:32am

About the Trump/Trackdown episode from 1958.

I wonder if this is really as great a coincidence as it appears to be. Individual One’s father, Fred Trump, was already a notorious New York landlord at the time, so much so that he, and his discriminatory policies, were the subject of a Woody Guthrie protest song, Old Man Trump, written in 1954.
Trackdown writer John Robinson was a life-long Californian, but like most writers of the time, he would have been familiar with affairs in New York, and probably with Woody Guthrie. Trackdown’s Trump and the wall of 1958 could have been an oblique reference.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:20:12am
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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:20:33am

re: #226 lawhawk

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And let’s be clear here. Who exactly is trying to rein her in? It doesn’t seem to be Pelosi or leadership. It’s something else entirely.

Let her do her thing. Let the GOP lose what’s left of their goddamned minds over AOC. And the media keeps targeting her instead of the goddamned Nazi Steve King and white nationalist curious Scalise and the rest of the white nationalists in the GOP.

Politco complains about her popularity and what do they do? A huge story on her for their readers (hits).

Why?

She’s popular.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:22:15am

salon.com
History repeats itself bigly. Unfortunately the only thing Republicans will take away from this history is Governor Walker was a Democrat so that means the Dems are the Klan.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:23:00am

Wasn’t there some Presidential candidate that said, if Republican Senators blocked a popular measure, there’d be crowds of people forcing them to do the right thing?

Whatever happened to him?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:23:42am

re: #265 gwangung

Wasn’t there some Presidential candidate that said, if Republican Senators blocked a popular measure, there’d be crowds of people forcing them to do the right thing?

Whatever happened to him?

As I’ve said before, a lot of what he said has been proven wrong too. That’s but another example.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:24:38am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Guardian:
‘Brought to Jesus’: the evangelical grip on the Trump administration

Among other things, Pompeo believes in the Rapture. Like the boiling frog, we here in the States have been exposed to this gradually, and perhaps no longer realize just how strange and dangerous it is to inject this superstition into real world policy.

Recall that these people have no love of Jews or Judaism, they just need a resurgent Israel with Jerusalem as its capital in order to help fulfill their apocalyptic, necrophiliac End-Times prophecies.

A bunch of fucking death cultists.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:24:43am

re: #262 jaunte

Well it’s not like Turtle has any real influence on these things he’s just the….Senate Majority Leader.

//

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Danack  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:29:19am

re: #226 lawhawk

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And let’s be clear here. Who exactly is trying to rein her in?

Mostly people who need to go away. And she knows that:

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:30:52am

re: #269 Danack

Mostly people who need to go away. And she knows that:

What’s in the picture?

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:30:56am
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Danack  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:34:32am

re: #270 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

*not sure if that’s the joke* - but it’s Joe Lieberman, on FoxBusiness, giving advice to the Democratic party of how to be what he thinks the Democratic party should be like.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:36:53am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The Guardian:
‘Brought to Jesus’: the evangelical grip on the Trump administration

Among other things, Pompeo believes in the Rapture. Like the boiling frog, we here in the States have been exposed to this gradually, and perhaps no longer realize just how strange and dangerous it is to inject this superstition into real world policy.

Yes — this is dangerous, but the current disasters in the Middle East were not prompted by this religious fanaticism. Bush 41 and Cheney when they inaugurated the present morass by their invasion of Iraq were not motivated by the Rapture. Nor was Obama with some of his ill-advised ventures — nor is Trump, who probably never heard of the Rapture. The mess in Iran is due to 1950’s actions that were realpolitik at its “finest”.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:37:08am

re: #271 MsJ

In case you cannot see the picture, this is who voted against the House bill.

Amash
Biggs
Buck
Gosar
Grothman
Massie
Yoho

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:37:16am

re: #271 MsJ

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Those names are often in the shitty votes.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:37:27am

I Built a Guitar Out of 1200 Colored Pencils

YouTube

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:38:56am

Background on SC-1
He won Mark Sanford’s seat. Sanford was primaried and lost. Cunningham’s GOP opponent was in a serious car accident during the general campaign. Which Cunningham won by 1.6%

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:39:36am

re: #272 Danack

*not sure if that’s the joke* - but it’s Joe Lieberman, on FoxBusiness, giving advice to the Democratic party of how to be what he thinks the Democratic party should be like.

Lieberman who didn’t support Obama or Clinton. Yeah I’m listening to him.//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:40:24am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Background on SC-1
He won Mark Sanford’s seat. Sanford was primaried and lost. Cunningham’s GOP opponent was in a serious car accident during the general campaign. Which Cunningham won by 1.6%

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BeachDem’s new rep and a marine biologist iirc.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:40:33am
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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:41:05am

re: #242 Sir John Barron

The Democratic punditry maybe.

The Civility Caucus. /

They can all take any number of seats. AOC is showing the way to confront the monster the GOP has become. Fuck fear.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:42:20am

hey, something just dawned on me.
Wasn’t Sanders supposed to do a response to Dotard’s “crisis’ Oval speech?
Anyone seen it?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:42:33am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Freshman Rep. Joe Cunningham (D-SC) just tried to take a 6-pack of beer onto the House floor and was told that’s not allowed.

“It’s Friday too,” he said laughing as he turned around.

Good thing Kavanaugh is on the SCOTUS and not in the House

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:43:21am

re: #281 makeitstop

The Civility Caucus. /

They can all take any number of seats. AOC is showing the way to confront the monster the GOP has become. Fuck fear.

Any party that made people like Coulter and Limbaugh famous shouldn’t lecture about civility.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:43:51am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

BeachDem’s new rep and a marine biologist iirc.

Marine engineer, then a lawyer. Went back to school after the ‘08 recession took his job

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:44:16am

re: #285 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Marine engineer, then a lawyer. Went back to school after the ‘08 recession took his job

Ah. Thanks.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:45:36am

re: #262 jaunte

290 is the magic number in the House, that’s how many you need for a veto override. I think if the House were to pass something with a veto proof majority, that might force McConnell’s hand. But right now he can say that taking up the bill would be a waste of time because they don’t have the votes to override a veto. And I still think this is how it ends

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:46:18am
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DodgerFan1988  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:48:28am

*Barf*

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:50:00am

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Ah. Thanks.

Him being a Dem from South Carolina I felt compelled to see how he managed that.
The most troubling thing I found was that he was born around the same time I was walking into the Army recruiting booth at Times Square. Which means I’m as old as fuck.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:50:36am

re: #4 Anymouse 🌹

Left hanging on the last thread, a comment about AOC being good at the clapback to Joe Lieberman.

When she was fact-checked by a journalistic outlet for being mistaken on figures she gave, she publicly thanked them for correcting her. She noted fact-checking is vital to hold politicians to account, and helped her in becoming a better politician.

I can’t ever remember any politician thanking a fact checker for correcting them.

Being how it was last, I guess that means I need to dig up a picture of a guinea pig.

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I’d be a lot more inclined to agree if she had demonstrated any knowledge of policy or the party’s history, or if her “effectiveness” were anything but coining vapid slogans. This is the way a snot-nosed punk acts, a Trumper in utero.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:51:40am

re: #291 Brian J.

I’d be a lot more inclined to agree if she had demonstrated any knowledge of policy or the party’s history, or if her “effectiveness” were anything buy coining vapid slogans. This is the way a snot-nosed punk acts, a Trumper in utero.

She does. You just don’t to hear it.

And that’s not her behavior you’re commenting on. It’s your own.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:51:54am

re: #289 DodgerFan1988

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*Barf*

Except this isn’t a “white country” you dolt. Native Americans lived here far longer than white people have. You’re a joke Stefan, a pathetic bigoted piece of crap who thinks he’s original and profound but is just a cheap Canadian David Duke wannabe who thinks he’s a gift to the world because of his skin color and penis.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:52:28am

re: #273 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — this is dangerous, but the current disasters in the Middle East were not prompted by this religious fanaticism. Bush 41 and Cheney when they inaugurated the present morass by their invasion of Iraq were not motivated by the Rapture. Nor was Obama with some of his ill-advised ventures — nor is Trump, who probably never heard of the Rapture. The mess in Iran is due to 1950’s actions that were realpolitik at its “finest”.

You can go further back to the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the European empires carving up the region

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:52:29am

re: #282 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

hey, something just dawned on me.
Wasn’t Sanders supposed to do a response to Dotard’s “crisis’ Oval speech?
Anyone seen it?

There was a diary at DK about it that evening, with the same title everyone used for Pelosi and Schumer, and AOC about ripping Trump and the GOP. I didn’t read it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:53:00am

re: #291 Brian J.

I’d be a lot more inclined to agree if she had demonstrated any knowledge of policy or the party’s history, or if her “effectiveness” were anything but coining vapid slogans. This is the way a snot-nosed punk acts, a Trumper in utero.

She’s a freshman FFS. And Lieberman who didn’t support Obama or Clinton is the last person who should be telling Democrats what they should be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:53:02am

re: #289 DodgerFan1988

“White privilege” is a rancid conspiracy theory designed to cover up the reality of ethnic IQ differences.

If whites are so privileged, why are whites becoming minorities in their own countries?

It is a hateful racist lie.

Push back.

So let us push back on this

relative score on written IQ test does not necessarily relate to directly proportional measure of relative intelligence

“their own countries”, US is a country taken over by whites which was always populated by people of various non-white races

“white privilege” has been used inappropriately at times but it is still a concise term to explain the way in which police and public authorities deal with members of minority groups

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:53:13am

re: #292 gwangung

She does. You just don’t to hear it.

And that’s not her behavior you’re commenting on. It’s your own.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:55:04am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

She’s a freshman FFS. And Lieberman who didn’t support Obama or Clinton is the last person who should be telling Democrats what they should be.

Would Lieberman have supported Gore if he wasn’t on the ticket?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:55:24am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

A man who was a total dick to our last Democratic president and has done nothing to help Democrats and in fact gives Republican talking points. There was a time where Lieberman was worthy of respect but he hasn’t earned any since he screwed us over on the public option and hasn’t supported a Democratic nominee since John Kerry when AOC was just fifteen years old. He also stopped calling himself a Democrat. Trust me, you’re barking up the wrong tree here.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:56:00am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

Sure it is, when he says dumb stuff. NOBODY is immune to snark when they do or say something stupid. (for example, the current occupant of the White House gets LOTS of snark).

And Liberman most certainly did say something stupid.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:56:03am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

Lieberman holds no weight with the Democratic party at this point. None.

He gave up his right to dictate Dem policy when he turned hi back on Obama.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:56:04am

re: #299 KGxvi

Would Lieberman have supported Gore if he wasn’t on the ticket?

Ha! Yeah i think he would have. Lieberman in those days was a pretty reliable middle of the road Democrat. 9/11 just made him insane.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:56:08am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

Well then, we’re going to have to shut down the internet…

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:57:09am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

She’s a freshman FFS. And Lieberman who didn’t support Obama or Clinton is the last person who should be telling Democrats what they should be.

So which is it? Is she a freshman who doesn’t know anything yet or a leader of (wo)men? Like Bernie and Donald, she ducks behind whichever label is convenient to avoid responsibility for her statements.

Oh, and she’s not popular. YouGov shows her approval rating at +1 (-2 among registered voters).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:57:35am

re: #302 makeitstop

Lieberman holds no weight with the Democratic party at this point. None.

He gave up his right to dictate Dem policy when he turned hi back on Obama.

Obama who I’ll add supported Lieberman firstly in his primary against Ned Lamont and then in the GE after Lieberman lost the primary much to the disappointment of many progressive activists. Lieberman’s return to Obama? To support McCain and belittle Obama when Obama was the 2008 nominee. Fuck Lieberman. That guy’s a prick loyal to no one but himself. He’s just mad because no one takes him serious anymore and people are listening to AOC.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:58:07am
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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:58:27am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

I snark at asshats who served in government for decades on a daily basis - because like Joe they are not good people & like Joe actively worked to hurt the majority of Americans by destroying the chance for the public option. Fuck him and the horse he rode in on.

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:58:39am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

Ha! Yeah i think he would have. Lieberman in those days was a pretty reliable middle of the road Democrat. 9/11 just made him insane.

I vaguely recall one of the reasons Gore chose him was because he was fairly socially conservative and thus an “anti-Clinton”

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:59:00am

re: #304 KGxvi

Well then, we’re going to have to shut down the internet…

I’m pretty sure you know you’re not a Congresscritter. When you’re actually on the stage, you shouldn’t be catcalling the other actors.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 9:59:27am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

Obama who I’ll add supported Lieberman firstly in his primary against Ned Lamont and then in the GE after Lieberman lost the primary much to the disappointment of many progressive activists. Lieberman’s return to Obama? To support McCain and belittle Obama when Obama was the 2008 nominee. Fuck Lieberman. That guy’s a prick loyal to no one but himself. He’s just mad because no one takes him serious anymore and people are listening to AOC.

Exactly.

And where, exactly, did he snark about AOC? Fox News, like any good Democrat would.

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Have a seat, Holy Joe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:00:00am

re: #305 Brian J.

So which is it? Is she a freshman who doesn’t know anything yet or a leader of (wo)men? Like Bernie and Donald, she ducks behind whichever label is convenient to avoid responsibility for her statements.

Oh, and she’s not popular. YouGov shows her approval rating at +1 (-2 among registered voters).

She can still be a freshman and leader. She’s learning ffs and let me be blunt here dude, if she hadn’t been known as a Sanders supporter in 2016, you wouldn’t have this fucked up grudge against her. As for her popularity? How do her constituents feel about her? The people who actually know her district and nominated her.Stop belittling her because you don’t like that she took an incumbent Dem out and was supported by a guy you hate.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:00:21am

re: #289 DodgerFan1988

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*Barf*

Get back to me when there’s actual distinct legal discrimination or prejudice against white people for being white. There’s proven trends where non-white citizens gets targeted, whether de jure or de facto, by institutions.

So fuck off with this shit, you fucknut.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:00:34am

re: #302 makeitstop

Lieberman holds no weight with the Democratic party at this point. None.

He gave up his right to dictate Dem policy when he turned hi back on Obama.

Yep. The moment he became an independent to get around losing in the primary.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:00:37am

re: #310 Brian J.

I’m pretty sure you know you’re not a Congresscritter. When you’re actually on the stage, you shouldn’t be catcalling the other actors.

You mean like you’re doing? Ok.

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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:00:59am

re: #305 Brian J.

So which is it? Is she a freshman who doesn’t know anything yet or a leader of (wo)men? Like Bernie and Donald, she ducks behind whichever label is convenient to avoid responsibility for her statements.

Oh, and she’s not popular. YouGov shows her approval rating at +1 (-2 among registered voters).

Your man Trump would kill to be that popular.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:01:12am

re: #309 KGxvi

I vaguely recall one of the reasons Gore chose him was because he was fairly socially conservative and thus an “anti-Clinton”

As I recall, Lieberman had been critical of Bill in the impeachment episode though he didn’t vote to convict but he was still fairly standard Democratic for that time: pro choice, pro gun control, etc while conservative on things like censorship. Gore should have never picked him. Otherwise, he’d be just another former Senator.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:01:55am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

Who has since gone rogue and is not a registered Democrat?

He’s a registered independent. Any of his ties to the party have since gone poof since he decided to go elsewhere.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:02:30am

If there’s a ballot for the most useless congress-critter, I would like to nominate the non voting representative from Puerto Rico, Jenniffer Gonzalez. Puerto Rico is in a deep crisis, the state university is being dismantled, the criminal wave is raising uncontrollably, and the shutdown is affecting tourism. So it’s obvious what her position is, right?

Being the president of the local Republican Party, she’s very much in favor of the wall … until someone suggested using the funds that are sent to PR to fund the wall. I’m speechless and furious (not uncommon in me).

Edit: Fxi typo.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:02:33am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

I’ll snark at him all I want when his entire shtick since the 2000 election has been constant concern trolling, DLC-style undermining of liberal legislation, and straight up contrarian bad faith.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:03:21am

re: #318 lawhawk

Who has since gone rogue and is not a registered Democrat?

He’s a registered independent. Any of his ties to the party have since gone poof since he decided to go elsewhere.

Yep. In fact Lieberman I believe was actually considered for Trump’s Sec of Def before Mattis got at. This guy isn’t an ally trying to help AOC and the Democrats. He’s a bitter old bastard that hates that the party isn’t what he wanted it to be, a pile of stuck up dicks like him.

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Brian J.  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:03:21am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

She can still be a freshman and leader. She’s learning ffs and let me be blunt here dude, if she hadn’t been known as a Sanders supporter in 2016, you wouldn’t have this fucked up grudge against her. As for her popularity? How do her constituents feel about her? The people who actually know her district and nominated her.Stop belittling her because you don’t like that she took an incumbent Dem out and was supported by a guy you hate.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:03:50am

re: #320 Citizen K

I’ll snark at him all I want when his entire shtick since the 2000 election has been constant concern trolling, DLC-style undermining of liberal legislation, and straight up contrarian bad faith.

I’ll never forgive him for not once criticizing the handling of the Iraq War by the Bush administration.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:04:47am

re: #322 Brian J.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

As pointed out above, Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

Brat.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:05:03am

re: #305 Brian J.

So which is it? Is she a freshman who doesn’t know anything yet or a leader of (wo)men? Like Bernie and Donald, she ducks behind whichever label is convenient to avoid responsibility for her statements.

Oh, and she’s not popular. YouGov shows her approval rating at +1 (-2 among registered voters).

The way you single her out for criticism…it’s almost straight out of the GOP playbook. Kudos.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:05:08am

Brian J, it’s obvious you’re one of those Democrats who is bothered by AOC not following the old rules. When I was 29, I didn’t care for rules such as respect your elders just because it existed, and at 49 I still don’t care for them. I have not seen anything that requires the kind of criticism you think she deserves, and I have not seen a proper justification from you.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:05:17am

re: #322 Brian J.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

Actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman? He’s not a Democrat anymore. What Democrats has she been campaigning against all day and in fact she supported Pelosi when it was actually more right wing Democrats like Lieberman was that tried to prevent Pelosi from getting the Speakership. You can’t talk about her credibilty and it shows when you dismissively call her a girl. She’s a 29 year old woman.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:05:18am

re: #96 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Now I have a chance of affording a home soon…

That’s about the price around here (Puerto Rico) for avocados pre-Maria (if you didn’t pick them from the street trees). I think I’ve seen it a couple of times at that price since.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:06:00am

re: #324 gwangung

As pointed out above, Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

Brat.

‘Actual Democrats.’ LOL

My cat is more of a Democrat than Holy Joe.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:06:49am

re: #329 makeitstop

‘Actual Democrats.’ LOL

My cat is more of a Democrat than Holy Joe.

I did more for Democrats in the past election than Lieberman has in over a decade.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:07:07am

I guess she now has a choice between Australia or Canada. Which ain’t bad choices. Though, coming from SA I’m guessing Canada would be a hell of a change

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Mike Lamb  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:07:16am

re: #318 lawhawk

Who has since gone rogue and is not a registered Democrat?

He’s a registered independent. Any of his ties to the party have since gone poof since he decided to go elsewhere.

The irony here for our little concern troll is that he’s defending a guy like Lieberman who operates in the same type of air space as Sanders.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:07:26am

re: #322 Brian J.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

He has not been a Democrat since… checks the wayback machine… 2006.

Let me repeat.

Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006. That’s going on 13 years now. He doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of the Democrats. He’s into himself and furthering his own brand, which isn’t what Democrats are buying these days.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:08:32am

re: #333 lawhawk

He has not been a Democrat since… checks the wayback machine… 2006.

Let me repeat.

Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006. That’s going on 13 years now. He doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of the Democrats. He’s into himself and furthering his own brand, which isn’t what Democrats are buying these days.

Which, not coincidentally, is the same behavior he’s accusing Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:09:26am

re: #333 lawhawk

He has not been a Democrat since… checks the wayback machine… 2006.

Let me repeat.

Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006. That’s going on 13 years now. He doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of the Democrats. He’s into himself and furthering his own brand, which isn’t what Democrats are buying these days.

Lieberman couldn’t even bother to support Clinton against Trump. That’s how bad he is. It was bad enough that he fucked Obama on the public option after Obama hadn’t let the Senate Dems punish him for supporting McCain over him but doing that was pretty telling of Joe’s character and how little he cares for the Democratic Party because he can’t accept that he was legitimately primaried by the Democratic voters of Connecticut.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:09:38am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:10:41am

And I’ll further point out that Lieberman did this on FNC. He’s not trying to get Democrats to listen to him. He’s trying to shit on his former party on the network that does everything possible to discredit Democrats and liberals.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:11:01am

re: #336 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I suppose that’s AOC’s fault too.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:11:11am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:13:11am

re: #339 Charles Johnson

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He talks about his wall the way a medieval tyrant talks about castles.
“Oh yes, my castle will be the greatest in Christendom. No one will have a greater castle than me. Some people are saying I’m like Richard the Lionheart.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:16:28am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:18:18am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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If you actually got off of FNC for a change, Matt, you’d know that we in fact do have a plan. An actual plan not a piece of trash from Queens who knows nothing about the border’s plan but an actual plan. But go on keep on telling yourself the Dems have no plan because that’s what you want to believe.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:20:57am
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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:20:57am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The Democratic plan for border security is that we should be restricting people from countries that were involved in the 9/11 bombing.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:22:26am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

I’ve got to go back and check, but the NYT has a piece on how many miles of fence/barrier there are, how much was authorized, when it was completed, and what Trump’s claiming.

All he’s done is lie about everything relating to the border - from there being a crisis to what he’s done in building a wall.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:23:14am

re: #345 lawhawk

I’ve got to go back and check, but the NYT has a piece on how many miles of fence/barrier there are, how much was authorized, when it was completed, and what Trump’s claiming.

All he’s done is lie about everything relating to the border - from there being a crisis to what he’s done in building a wall.

If there’s a crisis, he’s caused it by lying about the realities of the border.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:24:49am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:25:26am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What is the measure for ‘border security’? Do we know when it has been achieved? Does it involve more or fewer people being detained/deported? Does it differentiate between “illegals” who are here because of lapsed visas and those who we know entered across the border illegally?

Maybe we should determine these issues before shutting down the government for three weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:26:09am

re: #347 Charles Johnson

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The same person who says stuff that we don’t hurt people enough anymore and that’s bad or that torture works. He’s an evil fucker. And I hope he’s miserable knowing that he and his sons, daughter, and son in law could land behind bars at some point.

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William Lewis  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:26:14am

As an aside, for those of you who want a reminder of the revolutionary intent of Christianity, here’s a nice essay on Mary & the Magnificat.

thelily.com

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:26:25am

re: #297 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So let us push back on this

relative score on written IQ test does not necessarily relate to directly proportional measure of relative intelligence

It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
—Arthur C. Clarke

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:26:30am

re: #348 Sir John Barron

According to Matt Gaetz, it’s all about feelings, so, totally undefinable.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:27:14am

re: #291 Brian J.

I’d be a lot more inclined to agree if she had demonstrated any knowledge of policy or the party’s history, or if her “effectiveness” were anything but coining vapid slogans. This is the way a snot-nosed punk acts, a Trumper in utero.

JUST. FUCKING. STOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:27:48am

re: #347 Charles Johnson

Trump was lying again, of course. But how big of a sociopath do you have to be to look at a picture like this and call it BEAUTIFUL?

It is beautiful for what it does not show: hordes of drug-addled gang members and terrorist human traffickers and pregnant moms bearing anchor babies flooding over that border because when the coyote took a left turn, his super-SUV ran smack dab into The Wall!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:28:25am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Let’s also clarify what the Republican ‘plan’ is? Is it all concrete wall all the time? Or is it some concrete wall some of the time? or is it not concrete wall some or all of the time?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:28:28am

re: #351 sagehen

It has yet to be proven that intelligence has any survival value.
—Arthur C. Clarke

recall the intro to Idiocracy

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:28:33am

re: #353 MsJ

JUST. FUCKING. STOP.

He has thankfully for now. It’s too bad because he can be an insightful poster especially on primary days because he has a lot of knowledge about the many races going on but man he’s got a childish grudge against AOC and it really shows when he treats her like she’s just a child.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:30:31am

re: #322 Brian J.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

Joe is an actual democrat? Are you fucking high?

He lost his primary and ran as an independent.

The then was SOLELY responsible for us not getting the option of having a public option.

Seriously, go the fuck away. You’re boring tripe is boring.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:30:46am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:31:11am

re: #357 HappyWarrior

He has thankfully for now. It’s too bad because he can be an insightful poster especially on primary days because he has a lot of knowledge about the many races going on but man he’s got a childish grudge against AOC and it really shows when he treats her like she’s just a child.

There may come a time when I genuinely tire of AOC or get frustrated with her. And her brand of democratic socialism is not particularly my own. But she’s getting a lot of crap about non-policy stuff and she’s dishing it back. And also, she’s one of 435 House members, not one of our senior policy officials.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:31:12am

re: #359 jaunte

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I can’t dance though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:32:35am

re: #359 jaunte

Live your life in a way that makes Joe Lieberman say you’re not the future.

I gave up on him back when he and Tipper Gore tried to censor popular music

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:33:30am

re: #360 Sir John Barron

There may come a time when I genuinely tire of AOC or get frustrated with her. And her brand of democratic socialism is not particularly my own. But she’s getting a lot of crap about non-policy stuff and she’s dishing it back. And also, she’s one of 435 House members, not one of our senior policy officials.

Precisely my thoughts.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:33:43am

Lieberman is as much as an insufferable asshole as Bernie.

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gwangung  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:33:54am

re: #360 Sir John Barron

There may come a time when I genuinely tire of AOC or get frustrated with her. And her brand of democratic socialism is not particularly my own. But she’s getting a lot of crap about non-policy stuff and she’s dishing it back. And also, she’s one of 435 House members, not one of our senior policy officials.

As someone said, she doesn’t cower when she’s attacked.

Frankly, that’s appealing to a lot of liberals, since Dems have a reflexive action to moderate when attacked.

Also, frankly, I think Dems need AT LEAST one person who’ll swing back when attacked. Not everyone needs to be that aggressive, but you need to have SOME.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:34:35am

[Can’t find this tweet right now: twitter.com ]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:34:43am

re: #360 Sir John Barron

There may come a time when I genuinely tire of AOC or get frustrated with her. And her brand of democratic socialism is not particularly my own. But she’s getting a lot of crap about non-policy stuff and she’s dishing it back. And also, she’s one of 435 House members, not one of our senior policy officials.

But she is a red flag in so many ways for so many people: urban, ethic, female, educated, opinionated…they cannot help but blow their gaskets every time she utters something.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:34:59am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:35:21am

re: #341 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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“Sense of security for families”. How many people actually, truly have a conscience feeling of fear/concern over border issues even once a week? And of those people, how many don’t live within 1000 miles of the Southern Border?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:35:27am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I gave up on him back when he and Tipper Gore tried to censor popular music

Also a dick on the video game censorship too. Like ultimately I fault the shannigans in FLA and Nader’s lying that Gore and Bush were the same more responsible for what happened in 2000 but Gore fucked himself by choosing a bad running mate. I like Al Gore but it was a terrible choice. Obama and Clinton meanwhile I think made great selections even though Kaine isn’t our VP today.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:35:46am

re: #368 jaunte

Steve King is on the House floor trying to offer a benign explanation for his “white nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?” quote to the New York Times, and it is confusing.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) January 11, 2019

Just own it, Steve.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:35:57am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

Lieberman is as much as an insufferable asshole as Bernie.

Indeed.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:36:25am

re: #371 Dr. Matt

He’s an advocate for “Western values.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:36:39am

re: #364 Dr. Matt

Lieberman is as much as an insufferable asshole as Bernie.

I have found him more insufferable and for a lot longer

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:36:50am

re: #367 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But she is a red flag in so many ways for so many people: urban, ethic, female, educated, opinionated…they cannot help but blow their gaskets every time she utters something.

Last time those people had a flag, it was white. Or maybe a dry teabag.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:37:23am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Also a dick on the video game censorship too.

He was trying to “clean up” and serve as moral police for film and all aspects of popular culture.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:37:36am

re: #298 Brian J.

Snarking at a man who served 24 years in the Senate and was rightly elected Vice-President in 2000 is not the behavior of a mature adult.

Bullshit.

A man that lost his primary and turned on the Democrats to go independent.

A man more driven by his states insurance and financing industry than staying true to his constituents and Democratic fundamentals.

A man that endorsed McCain and Palin.

Palin for godsakes. And you are hating on a young congresswoman that has still to learn the ropes.

A man many Democrats wanted punished for his behavior.

A man that ended up more popular with Republicans than Democrats and Independents.

A man that really has no principles other than feeding his own ego and wallet.

And you bitch and moan about not enough Democrats won the last election.

You make no sense.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:38:51am

re: #376 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was trying to “clean up” and serve as moral police for film and all aspects of popular culture.

Yep and that’s the kind of shit that the left doesn’t need to stand for. Don’t want your kids to play those games or watch those films or listen to that music? Fine, that’s your choice as a parent.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:41:57am

re: #377 ObserverArt

Bullshit.

A man that lost his primary and turned on the Democrats to go independent.

A man more driven by his states insurance and financing industry than staying true to his constituents and Democratic fundamentals.

A man that endorsed McCain and Palin.

Palin for godsakes. And you are hating on a young congresswoman that has still to learn the ropes.

A man many Democrats wanted punished for his behavior.

A man that ended up more popular with Republicans than Democrats and Independents.

A man that really has no principles other than feeding his own ego and wallet.

And you bitch and moan about not enough Democrats won the last election.

You make no sense.

Worth repeating.

Brian is a troll. A supposed Bernie supporter who hates AOC but loves Lieberman?

Troll. Pure troll.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:42:09am

Current mood thanks to media both siding the fuck out of Trump/McConnell’s shutdown and the ongoing failure to do anything about a real crisis (gun control):

Ministry - So What

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:43:11am

re: #305 Brian J.

So which is it? Is she a freshman who doesn’t know anything yet or a leader of (wo)men? Like Bernie and Donald, she ducks behind whichever label is convenient to avoid responsibility for her statements.

Oh, and she’s not popular. YouGov shows her approval rating at +1 (-2 among registered voters).

She has been in office for what a week?

And you are dragging out popularity poles compiled from a few days.

That polling is probably driven more by guys like you and all the clamor in the press than on anything to do with her actual politics.

(I just realized it is ridiculous to even comment on this crap)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:44:21am

TBH I wonder what the “proper thing” to say would have been. AOC hasn’t met Lieberman ever nor do I think she has ever singled him out by name not that he wouldn’t deserve it given the public option stuff but here he’s shaming a freshman Congresswoman who he knows nothing or little about outside what his bubble has told him. I would TBH feel this criticism might have some more validity if it were made by someone who has actually tried to help Dems win lately though I didn’t like Claire McCaskill who never missed an opportunity to distance herself from Obama deriding her as a shiny object. I think capitalism is strongest when it’s challenged and has to deal with the fact that it’s not as great as its proponents insist it is. Am I capitalist more than socialist? Yeah I am but I don’t worship capitalism nor any economic system. I’m glad AOC challenges our economic status quo because it needs to be challenged. The American people deserve to be told that it’s absurd that we can spend the way we do on the military but not on our population’ s welfare.

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sagehen  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:44:30am

re: #358 MsJ

Joe is an actual democrat? Are you fucking high?

He lost his primary and ran as an independent.

The then was SOLELY responsible for us not getting the option of having a public option.

Seriously, go the fuck away. You’re boring tripe is boring.

He also suggested he’d approve of lowering the Medicare buy-in age to 55… until Anthony Weiner said “yes, thank you, awesome, let’s” — then Joe decided it wasn’t a good idea after all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:44:41am

re: #379 MsJ

Worth repeating.

Brian is a troll. A supposed Bernie supporter who hates AOC but loves Lieberman?

Troll. Pure troll.

Brian hates Bernie.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:45:23am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:46:07am

Lieberman still owes the Democratic Party, and America, an apology for rejecting the Dems to embrace GWB’s Iraq nightmare.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:47:18am

re: #298 Brian J.

Do you need some pearls to clutch?

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:47:25am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Brian hates Bernie.

I must have him confused with someone else.

Wasn’t the gripe that there were not enough progressives in the Dem party?

Or am I confusing that, too?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:50:25am

re: #333 lawhawk

He has not been a Democrat since… checks the wayback machine… 2006.

Let me repeat.

Lieberman hasn’t been a Democrat since 2006. That’s going on 13 years now. He doesn’t have his finger on the pulse of the Democrats. He’s into himself and furthering his own brand, which isn’t what Democrats are buying these days.

LIEberman has his middle finger on the pulse of Democrats ever since he stabbed us in the back.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:50:37am

re: #386 Dr. Matt

Lieberman still owes the Democratic Party, and America, an apology for rejecting the Dems to embrace GWB’s Iraq nightmare.

He wasn’t the only Dem to support the war but he was the only one to continue to act like it wasn’t the fuck up it was.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:51:37am

BrianJ said Joe Liberman is an “actual” Democrat?

Any last vestige of credibility just left the building.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:52:12am

re: #388 MsJ

I must have him confused with someone else.

Wasn’t the gripe that there were not enough progressives in the Dem party?

Or am I confusing that, too?

Yeah you’re confusing. He hates Bernie which I think is his sole grudge against AOC. He acts no different from the Berners to anyone they think isn’t good enough for them.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:53:24am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

He wasn’t the only Dem to support the war but he was the only one to continue to act like it wasn’t the fuck up it was.

Yeah, but he LEFT the Democratic Party and became an I. Fuck that guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:53:41am

re: #389 Joe Bacon 🌹

LIEberman has his middle finger on the pulse of Democrats ever since he stabbed us in the back.

I really don’t like that particular phrase given its history and Lieberman’s religious and ethnic background. I know you didn’t intend it like that at all Joe being Jewish yourself. But yeah he’s really been a total dick to the Dems for years now. As I said, he last supported a Democratic presidential candidate in 2004 and I recall his support of Kerry being pretty lukewarm.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:53:45am

re: #332 Mike Lamb

The irony here for our little concern troll is that he’s defending a guy like Lieberman who operates in the same type of air space as Sanders.

We need hazard masks don’t we?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:53:59am

re: #385 MsJ

Quick, somebody find an Iowa farmer upset about the tariffs and shutdown but who still supports Donnie.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:54:01am

re: #391 ObserverArt

BrianJ said Joe Liberman is an “actual” Democrat?

Any last vestige of credibility just left the building.

Lieberman is as much a Democrat as Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:54:02am

re: #393 Dr. Matt

Yeah, but he LEFT the Democratic Party and became an I. Fuck that guy.

Oh trust me, I have no love for him. I can’t stand the son of a bitch.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:54:15am

re: #388 MsJ

I must have him confused with someone else.

Wasn’t the gripe that there were not enough progressives in the Dem party?

Or am I confusing that, too?

His hatred of her, at least here, started with her being associated with Bernie. The fact that she seems to be properly concerned with more than just people who would fit in in Vermont has not penetrated that hate.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:54:36am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:55:20am

re: #332 Mike Lamb

The irony here for our little concern troll is that he’s defending a guy like Lieberman who operates in the same type of air space as Sanders.

Lieberman and Sanders are the types that enjoy the smell of their own flatulence.

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Belafon  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:55:24am

re: #400 Charles Johnson

I think Dr. Seuss had something to say about people like King.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:55:44am

re: #399 Belafon

His hatred of her, at least here, started with her being associated with Bernie. The fact that she seems to be properly concerned with more than just people who would fit in in Vermont has not penetrated that hate.

I really think that’s the only reason he hates her and I’ve said as much directly to him. As I said, it’s a shame because I think he is capable of being insightful but he’s like the centrist version of a Bernie Bro. Someone who thinks everyone but him is wrong.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:56:07am

Steve King trying the creaky “I can’t be a Nazi because I’m American” dodge.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:56:36am

re: #298 Brian J.

Joe Lieberman is a jackass. Good on AOC for standing up to his lame-ass attempt to bully her.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:56:53am

re: #400 Charles Johnson

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And the Nazis considered themselves German nationalists too. You’re a fascist pal. We know who you are by now. Stop trying to act like you’re repulsed by Nazism and fascism because your words and deeds show otherwise. You support fascist parties in Europe and you act like a fascist pig here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:57:14am

re: #404 jaunte

Steve King trying the creaky “I can’t be a Nazi because I’m American” dodge.

Which would be news to George Lincoln Rockwell who you know Steve would have loved.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:57:48am

re: #404 jaunte

Steve King trying the creaky “I can’t be a Nazi because I’m American” dodge.

There are American Nazis. They didn’t disappear even after WWII and our defeat of the German Nazis.

King’s outlook and agenda is indistinguishable from the white nationalist KKK crap spewed by the current crop of Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:58:42am

re: #408 lawhawk

There are American Nazis. They didn’t disappear even after WWII and our defeat of the German Nazis.

King’s outlook and agenda is indistinguishable from the white nationalist KKK crap spewed by the current crop of Nazis.

It’s worse because he does it in the halls of Congress. When George Lincoln Rockwell was doing it, at least no one was electing his ass to any sort of political power.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:58:57am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

Which would be news to George Lincoln Rockwell who you know Steve would have loved.

“When did it start becoming offensive to love George Lincoln Rockwell?”

//

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 10:59:52am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:00:04am

re: #400 Charles Johnson

“I’m simply an American nationalist”.

Oh, OK, that really clears that up. /

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:00:45am

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I wonder if anyone has explained to this loon Pompeo that the “Rapture” is entirely a made-up Evangelical Christian mythology invented and evolved over the last 100 years or so, and accelerated into a thriving con market of books, videos, and bad Kirk Cameron movies.

For Chrissakes, a Marvel Thor movie has just as much credibility and historical accuracy as this Rapture horseshit.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:01:44am

Steve King thinks Americans can’t remember Nixon’s “I am not a crook” speech.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:02:10am

re: #365 gwangung

As someone said, she doesn’t cower when she’s attacked.

Frankly, that’s appealing to a lot of liberals, since Dems have a reflexive action to moderate when attacked.

Also, frankly, I think Dems need AT LEAST one person who’ll swing back when attacked. Not everyone needs to be that aggressive, but you need to have SOME.

Yeah, she can be a counter-balance to a flamethrower like Jim Jordan.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:02:47am

re: #400 Charles Johnson

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“Nationalist” and “Patriot” are not true synonyms no matter what the dictionary might say. You’re not fooling anyone, Stevie boy.

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:03:27am

Oh… and for something completely different … for those in the NYC metro area, Broadway week was announced, and you can get 1/2 price tickets to a whole bunch of shows.

I was able to snag $50 tickets to Aladdin and some of the other shows are probably sold out, but you might be able to get good deals if you’re willing to search ‘em out.

If you want a slightly different way to see a show without spending a fortune, try broadwayroulette.com - you don’t get to pick the show - the site picks it for you (you can rule out a couple of shows, or pay a bit more and exclude more shows).

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:04:05am

re: #371 Dr. Matt

Just own it, Steve.

Yeah, put on the sheets and the hood. You know King wants to.

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:06:46am

re: #322 Brian J.

You mean the grudge people here have against actual Democrats like Joe Lieberman?

The girl is a brat with no interest in learning how to do her damn job and who campaigns against Democrats all day every day. Her ideas are massively unpopular among Democrats and even more massively unpopular in the country. As for her constituents, she got 15,897 primary votes- dozens of Congressional candidates who finished third, fourth or even fifth in their primaries did better.

“Girl”? “Brat”? Could you get any more misogynistic?

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ipsos  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:07:48am

re: #419 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

“Girl”? “Brat”? Could you get any more misogynistic?

After Charles plonked Big Bad Democrat the other day, I’m kind of surprised BrianJ is even still here.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:08:33am
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Mike Lamb  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:10:33am

re: #412 Sir John Barron

“I’m simply an American nationalist”.

Oh, OK, that really clears that up. /

An “American nationalist” who doesn’t have an issue with immigrants as long as they are blond haired, blue eyed, with limited accents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:11:24am

re: #396 Sir John Barron

Quick, somebody find an Iowa farmer upset about the tariffs and shutdown but who still supports Donnie.

and put them on directly after a Texas rancher who has never seen an illegal on his property and is going to lose his land to build The Wall but still supports it

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KGxvi  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:11:30am

re: #414 jaunte

Steve King thinks Americans can’t remember Nixon’s “I am not a crook” speech.

Median age in US: 38. Nixon’s resignation 44 years ago. Meaning, realistically anyone under 54 probably doesn’t have an actual memory of it happening. That’s a solid majority of people

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:12:17am

re: #379 MsJ

Worth repeating.

Brian is a troll. A supposed Bernie supporter who hates AOC but loves Lieberman?

Troll. Pure troll.

I’m running behind…let me have some fun!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:13:01am

re: #411 MsJ

it’s an extension of the “dems in disarray” stuff constantly being peddled.

and she personifies the “Dems ready to veer hard left” take that accompanies the DinD talking point

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:13:24am

re: #419 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

“Girl”? “Brat”? Could you get any more misogynistic?

It’s not the first time he’s done that.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:14:56am
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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:15:05am

re: #425 ObserverArt

I’m running behind…let me have some fun!

Enjoy sweetie…it’s been a long week.

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jaunte  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:15:07am

re: #424 KGxvi

We are a indeed a nation ignorant of history.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:15:20am

But yeah appreciate this guys. I have to deal with smug right wing assholes caling her stupid in my time line and smug Libertarians deriding her too. I don’t agree with AOC on everything and I am excited to watch her political career unfold. She really does represent a group that has been considerably underrepresented in Congress not just as a Latina woman but a woman under 30 and for that while Joe Crowley is probably a great guy, I’m glad she’s there.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:15:24am

Report from the dopey 10k, corral F

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Don’t touch that dial

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Sionainn, Fierce Mother  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:15:38am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

It’s not the first time he’s done that.

I know. That’s why I’m specifically calling him out for it. I don’t particularly like Brian. I haven’t found anything positive that he adds to any thread. He takes a dump and then leaves.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:16:18am

re: #428 Charles Johnson

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That’s a feature not a bug Tim. You don’t have anyone in the Dem caucus remotely close to Steve King and don’t even try to equate those critical of Israel to this son of a bitch.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:16:54am

Seeing Steve Thing rationalizing his racism on the floor of the House makes me nauseous.

He needs to be expelled from the House.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:17:20am

re: #433 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I know. That’s why I’m specifically calling him out for it. I don’t particularly like Brian. I haven’t found anything positive that he adds to any thread. He takes a dump and then leaves.

Yeah I know. He can add some interesting insight to Congressional races but his hatred for anything left of whatever his comfort zone is grating and it’s obvious to anyone why he hates AOC and then he makes it worse by being a sexist condescending jerk.

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:17:29am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

That’s a feature not a bug Tim. You don’t have anyone in the Dem caucus remotely close to Steve King and don’t even try to equate those critical of Israel to this son of a bitch.

Tim Scott is doing the usual Republican thing, and casting symptom as cause.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:17:46am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:18:20am

re: #438 MsJ

“We’re losing Americans every year….”

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Citizen K  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:18:26am

re: #438 MsJ

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Clearly this means we need to put a wall around the Border Patrol and make them pay for it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:19:05am

re: #382 HappyWarrior

TBH I wonder what the “proper thing” to say would have been. AOC hasn’t met Lieberman ever nor do I think she has ever singled him out by name not that he wouldn’t deserve it given the public option stuff but here he’s shaming a freshman Congresswoman who he knows nothing or little about outside what his bubble has told him. I would TBH feel this criticism might have some more validity if it were made by someone who has actually tried to help Dems win lately though I didn’t like Claire McCaskill who never missed an opportunity to distance herself from Obama deriding her as a shiny object. I think capitalism is strongest when it’s challenged and has to deal with the fact that it’s not as great as its proponents insist it is. Am I capitalist more than socialist? Yeah I am but I don’t worship capitalism nor any economic system. I’m glad AOC challenges our economic status quo because it needs to be challenged. The American people deserve to be told that it’s absurd that we can spend the way we do on the military but not on our population’ s welfare.

She said: New party, who dis?

In my opinion what she is saying is this is the new Democratic party and who is Joe Lieberman? He is not even a member of the “old” party.

You would think BrianJ would have liked that.

So it is just pure hate for Alexandria.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:19:45am

re: #433 Sionainn, Fierce Mother

I know. That’s why I’m specifically calling him out for it. I don’t particularly like Brian. I haven’t found anything positive that he adds to any thread. He takes a dump and then leaves.

The ‘leaving’ part is good!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:20:54am

re: #441 ObserverArt

She said: New party, who dis?

In my opinion what she is saying is this is the new Democratic party and who is Joe Lieberman? He is not even a member of the “old” party.

You would think BrianJ would have liked that.

So it is just pure hate for Alexandria.

Yeah I think it was a pretty tame and catty response. Don’t know why he thought defending Lieberman was a good look but then again I’ve seen him shit on Obama too.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:21:16am

re: #441 ObserverArt

She said: New party, who dis?

In my opinion what she is saying is this is the new Democratic party and who is Joe Lieberman? He is not even a member of the “old” party.

You would think BrianJ would have liked that.

So it is just pure hate for Alexandria.

She’s really good at this

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:21:50am

re: #444 Sir John Barron

She’s really good at this

She’s going to be even better with time.

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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:23:17am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

She’s going to be even better with time.

So may we all.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:23:53am

re: #446 wrenchwench

So may we all.

Yeah I’m healthier at 31 than I was at 21 if that’s what you mean :).

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:23:58am

ps - i havent been watching the news these last few days
a quick observation as i logged in and glanced at the ‘headlines’

dont let em link the shutdown with the wall
calling it the shutdown over the wall or whatever

it’s not

there are scads of ways to reopen all or most of the gov’t that have nothing to do with the wall. lots of people have offered lots of proposals

linking them is hostage taking cause the pres has no other card to play (short of national emergency nonsense)

if the d’s use the framing, then it will become the wall shutdown and those ‘scads of ways’ will go bye bye

dont let em do it!

the wall is the wall (i dont accept that as legitimate either but…another time)
the shutdown is manufactured. nothing is holding up reopening the govt

keep the faith. im out

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lawhawk  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:24:55am
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wrenchwench  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:26:08am

re: #447 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m healthier at 31 than I was at 21 if that’s what you mean :).

In hindsight, I meant all the things. It was typed with a prayer-like feeling that I hardly recognize.

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MsJ  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:26:49am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think it was a pretty tame and catty response. Don’t know why he thought defending Lieberman was a good look but then again I’ve seen him shit on Obama too.

I thought that response was on point. Lieberman hasn’t been around for years. And now he’s a go to Dem?

Nope.

Who dis? was absolutely fitting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:26:50am

re: #449 lawhawk

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This shit is the kind of shit that inspired the pogroms. I have no doubt that if these guys are guilty, they deserve full punishment and yes deportation but this is racist bullshit. They don’t this when white people do mass shootings as a way of dehumanizing white people as mass shooters and they sure as shit shouldn’t do it with Hispanics. Trump is evil. His entire administration is.

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Interesting Times  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:27:30am

re: #443 HappyWarrior

Yeah I think it was a pretty tame and catty response. Don’t know why he thought defending Lieberman was a good look but then again I’ve seen him shit on Obama too.

And do you know what’s ironic about that? He shits on Obama for being too soft on GOPers.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:28:19am

re: #451 MsJ

I thought that response was on point. Lieberman hasn’t been around for years. And now he’s a go to Dem?

Nope.

Who dis? was absolutely fitting.

Oh no doubt. It was a great response. By tame, I mean inoffensive and not really rude because as you say, what exactly has Joe done for Dems in recent years? In fact, I do remember he was considered for Sec of Def by Trump and I think he even expressed interest. He ain’t a Dem for sure.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:32:32am

re: #412 Sir John Barron

“I’m simply an American nationalist”.

Oh, OK, that really clears that up. /

Which means I am an American Nazi.

From wiktionay.org. The root of the name…

“since in German the nati- in national /ˌnatsi̯oˈnaːl/ is approximately pronounced Nazi”

Link: Wiktionary.org - Nazi

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HappyWarrior  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:33:26am

re: #453 Interesting Times

And do you know what’s ironic about that? He shits on Obama for being too soft on GOPers.

Yeah it’s odd.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:39:42am

re: #421 MsJ

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I’m thinking Manafort knew the polling and other Trump campaign info was going to eventually end up in Russia.

But he could use the fact he gave them to a “friend” to help pay off a debt as a cover so he could say…”I didn’t give them to Russia”

I guess he forgets that even people in The Republican Party knew he was dirty and worked for Russian-supported Ukrainian “politicians.”

Manafort thinks he is so damn smart and cunning. Oops! He isn’t.

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ObserverArt  Jan 11, 2019 • 11:45:34am

re: #438 MsJ

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You know, I hate to prejudge…but when I see a White guy with that style of haircut I admit, I grow suspicious.

Too many of the Proud Boy and Richard Spencer followers wear ‘em. And too often a fashion becomes a signaling statement.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:12:52pm

re: #271 MsJ

Thank you. I was wondering who those assholes were.

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EPR-radar  Jan 11, 2019 • 12:54:18pm

re: #391 ObserverArt

BrianJ said Joe Liberman is an “actual” Democrat?

Any last vestige of credibility just left the building.

What a hill to die on.

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makeitstop  Jan 11, 2019 • 3:00:41pm

re: #451 MsJ

I thought that response was on point. Lieberman hasn’t been around for years. And now he’s a go to Dem?

In the puny minds of Fox News viewers, Lieberman will always be a Dem, and he’ll always be half of ‘Sore Loserman.’

Who dis? was absolutely fitting.

And pretty goddamn funny to boot.


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