Cake Does Trump: “Sinking Ship”

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“’Sinking Ship’ is quite pessimistic but somehow does not seem hyperbolic right now. All proceeds from the sale of this song will be donated to Doctors Without Borders. CAKE is proud to be able to help out in securing real leadership for the United States. It is a critical time for the world, and it is more important than ever to find leaders capable of putting country above self-interest. Real greatness comes from community, cooperation and ethical leadership.”
—John McCrea

Directed and animated by Owen Streeter at Head Cleaner Films

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:33:14am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:36:38am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

And be sure to prepare yourself now for all the “MLK was a Republican!” nonsense tomorrow.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:37:28am

I love Cake. Used to see them in clubs back in the day in SF Bay Area. Fun with 50 people, fun with 5000. Unmistakable sound. And they’re political AF.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:37:54am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

And be sure to prepare yourself now for all the “MLK was a Republican!” nonsense tomorrow.

Agh of course.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:38:21am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

And be sure to prepare yourself now for all the “MLK was a Republican!” nonsense tomorrow.

I’m of a mind that for historical figures, we should say they were “liberal” or “conservative” instead of using the political labels “Democrat” or “Republican”. The parties have changed so much over the years - and didn’t even exist at the beginning of the country, not the way they are now.

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:39:02am
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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:39:41am
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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:41:08am
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Skip Intro  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:41:40am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:42:28am

re: #5 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m of a mind that for historical figures, we should say they were “liberal” or “conservative” instead of using the political labels “Democrat” or “Republican”. The parties have changed so much over the years - and didn’t even exist at the beginning of the country, not the way they are now.

That’s the thing. They like to present that argument in a way that X person was a Republican and that means they would have agreed with the GOP platform of 2016. MLK who counted Bayard Rustin as a close friend wasn’t going to be fond of today’s GOP.. Just as George Wallace circa 1962 wouldn’t be fond of the Democrats of today. MLK was criticizing the Republicans for nominating Goldwater. The Republicans who supported Civil Rights deserve our thanks and respect but the RNC did not take the issue seriously. If they did, they wouldn’t have nominated Goldwater and Miller, both who opposed the CRA 1964 which MLK of course supported.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:43:21am

I saw a Twitter thread last night, which I can’t find now. Just as well.

The point of it was that the author was seated next to a young man and woman who were apparently on a first date. He was giving a play-by-play of how the young man was failing, and honestly, it pissed me off a bit. His basic assumption seemed to be that the guy should have been more glib and talkative, to match how glib and talkative the young woman was. Also that he should have more interests to share with her, because she likes travel and this and that and the other.

It struck me that one reason why this bothered me is that he was essentially saying this guy was a bad prospect for life-long partner because he’s introverted, not effusive nor a witty raconteur.

The thing is, I’d bet that the vast majority of successful relationships are not between people who are the same. For example, Mrs. FBW was always much more social, more interested in going places than I am. I read somewhere a relationship described as one being the kite, and the other the tail. Without the tail, the kite flies all over the place unpredictably. Without the kite, the tail stays on the ground. Put them together and you’ve got something that both flies and is stable.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:43:28am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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MLK defended a gay communist being present in the Civil Rights Movement. Mother Pence works at a school that won’t allow people to acknowledge they support LGBT rights.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:43:30am

The storm has departed and now the temps are dropping.
forecast.weather.gov

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:43:58am

re: #7 jaunte

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“they’re telling me I have to”
thats a guy in command
in charge
ready to be president
the decider!

fucking puppet from the start

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:45:31am

I also love how FNC loves going to MLK’s niece to push the MLK would agree with us meme when MLK has living children who are much more aware of what their father believed than her and she also did the condescending I’M MLK’S BLOOD when Coretta Scott King announced her support for LGBT equality. She’s entitled to her opinion of course but it would be like me trying to claim my uncle’s legacy as my own instead of my cousins.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:45:59am

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

The storm has departed and now the temps are dropping.
forecast.weather.gov

Air temperature is supposed to drop to -25 degrees F (-31.7 degrees C) actual temperature by Friday.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:46:34am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. They like to present that argument in a way that X person was a Republican and that means they would have agreed with the GOP platform of 2016. MLK who counted Bayard Rustin as a close friend wasn’t going to be fond of today’s GOP.. Just as George Wallace circa 1962 wouldn’t be fond of the Democrats of today. MLK was criticizing the Republicans for nominating Goldwater. The Republicans who supported Civil Rights deserve our thanks and respect but the RNC did not take the issue seriously. If they did, they wouldn’t have nominated Goldwater and Miller, both who opposed the CRA 1964 which MLK of course supported.

My impression was that George Wallace took up the mantle of racism only because it would get him elected. I don’t think he was a true believer in white supremacy — think of him like Trump on abortion — saying what was needed to retain power without any real conviction on the issue.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:46:39am

I don’t know what MLK would have done had he lived into the 1970’s and beyond. I don’t know that. But i don’t see any evidence that he was treading more conservative as he got older. In fact, the opposite.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:47:53am

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

My impression was that George Wallace took up the mantle of racism only because it would get him elected. I don’t think he was a true believer in white supremacy — think of him like Trump on abortion — saying what was needed to retain power without any real conviction on the issue.

Ross Barnett then. And being a white supremacist for votes is just as bad as being one for real but yes I do know that about Wallace which I think makes him more reprehensible.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:48:08am

re: #18 HappyWarrior

John Lewis is a pretty good guide.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:48:22am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:48:41am

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

My impression was that George Wallace took up the mantle of racism only because it would get him elected. I don’t think he was a true believer in white supremacy — think of him like Trump on abortion — saying what was needed to retain power without any real conviction on the issue.

Or the need to retain power was more important than the racism.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:49:11am

re: #20 jaunte

John Lewis is a pretty good guide.

I think so too.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:49:16am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

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..and that they were in fact by him

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:50:37am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. They like to present that argument in a way that X person was a Republican and that means they would have agreed with the GOP platform of 2016. MLK who counted Bayard Rustin as a close friend wasn’t going to be fond of today’s GOP.. Just as George Wallace circa 1962 wouldn’t be fond of the Democrats of today. MLK was criticizing the Republicans for nominating Goldwater. The Republicans who supported Civil Rights deserve our thanks and respect but the RNC did not take the issue seriously. If they did, they wouldn’t have nominated Goldwater and Miller, both who opposed the CRA 1964 which MLK of course supported.

it’s lazy uncreative one dimensional thinking

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:53:55am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing. They like to present that argument in a way that X person was a Republican and that means they would have agreed with the GOP platform of 2016. MLK who counted Bayard Rustin as a close friend wasn’t going to be fond of today’s GOP.. Just as George Wallace circa 1962 wouldn’t be fond of the Democrats of today. MLK was criticizing the Republicans for nominating Goldwater. The Republicans who supported Civil Rights deserve our thanks and respect but the RNC did not take the issue seriously. If they did, they wouldn’t have nominated Goldwater and Miller, both who opposed the CRA 1964 which MLK of course supported.

There’s a famous quote from MLK about the 1964 Republican Convention:

“The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.”

In the unlikely even that he’d been a Republican before that, he surely was not afterwards.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:54:18am

All of my Senators and Reps are D. I’ll admit I’m guilty of thinking it wouldn’t make much of a difference to call them on issues like the wall. This is an interesting thread:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:55:53am

re: #26 Blind Frog Belly White

There’s a famous quote from MLK about the 1964 Republican Convention:

“The Republican Party geared its appeal and program to racism, reaction, and extremism. All people of goodwill viewed with alarm and concern the frenzied wedding at the Cow Palace of the KKK with the radical right.”

In the unlikely even that he’d been a Republican before that, he surely was not afterwards.

A lot of conservatives mention the Dixiecrats were Democrats. They don’t mention the few Southern Republicans in the 50’s and 60’s tried outflanking the Democrats on Civil Rights. It’s part of why Republicans started winning in the South.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:57:27am

re: #25 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

it’s lazy uncreative one dimensional thinking

Incredibly. Yeah I know about the percentages of the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendment votes and their parties but what the Democratic Party was in 1865 isn’t what it is in 2019. Do these idiots really want us to seriously think that a party that supports transgender equality would oppose abolishing slavery, citizenship to freed slaves, and suffrage for freedmen?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 11:59:34am

re: #28 HappyWarrior

A lot of conservatives mention the Dixiecrats were Democrats. They don’t mention the few Southern Republicans in the 50’s and 60’s tried outflanking the Democrats on Civil Rights. It’s part of why Republicans started winning in the South.

Someone analysed who voted for or against the VRA and the CRA. Party affiliation was not a useful predictor - lots of each party voted each way. The most useful predictor was the location of the state or district they represented. Essentially, the South versus every other place. Southern Republicans voted like Southern Democrats. Northern Republicans voted like Northern Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:01:23pm

All you need to know about the right and civil rights is to look at what right wingers at the time were saying about it. Buckley opposed it and even pushed the usual IT’S A COMMUNIST PLOT crap. Goldwater while not an ugly racist opposed the CRA using the states rights excuse. HW Bush opposed the legislation as did Reagan. Nixon had been early in his career good on the issue but after 1960 became weaker on the issue. The best Republican President on the issue was probably Gerald Ford who voted for the legislation as a House member but he still didn’t find it important enough to refuse to endorse Goldwater over which I might add several Republicans did.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:02:04pm

Republicans conveniently ignore that, under King, it was both a civil rights and labor rights movement. They selectively use King the way they selectively use the bible.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:02:05pm

re: #30 Blind Frog Belly White

Someone analysed who voted for or against the VRA and the CRA. Party affiliation was not a useful predictor - lots of each party voted each way. The most useful predictor was the location of the state or district they represented. Essentially, the South versus every other place. Southern Republicans voted like Southern Democrats. Northern Republicans voted like Northern Democrats.

Yeah geography for sure. I think Joe Bacon has mentioned his hometown Rep in Western PA was one of only two Northern Dems to oppose it.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:03:00pm
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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:03:17pm

San Somewhere.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:03:20pm

re: #32 Teddy’s Person

Republicans conveniently ignore that, under King, it was both a civil rights and labor rights movement. They selectively use King the way they selectively use the bible.

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In fact, King was killed while advocating for black sewer workers in Memphis and he was very critical of the war in Vietnam. No one “owns” MLK or his legacy but as a white person, I definitely get tired of seeing MLK invoked to tell black activists especially young ones that they shouldn’t be doing that or that MLK wouldn’t approve.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:04:04pm

re: #34 jaunte

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He meant San Dimas. Massive wall build around Rufus’s telephone booth.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:04:34pm

San Souci!

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:04:52pm

re: #35 jaunte

San Somewhere.

There’s where Big Hero 6 operate out of IIRC.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:04:58pm

re: #36 HappyWarrior

In fact, King was killed while advocating for black sewer workers in Memphis and he was very critical of the war in Vietnam. No one “owns” MLK or his legacy but as a white person, I definitely get tired of seeing MLK invoked to tell black activists especially young ones that they shouldn’t be doing that or that MLK wouldn’t approve.

Every time I hear a white conservative cite MLK I want to hear more from that guy Malcolm X.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:05:41pm

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A welded steel pizza slice made by my son in law for my daughter as a part of the wooing process. It worked. You just need to know what sits closest to the heart…

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:05:42pm

re: #5 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m of a mind that for historical figures, we should say they were “liberal” or “conservative” instead of using the political labels “Democrat” or “Republican”. The parties have changed so much over the years - and didn’t even exist at the beginning of the country, not the way they are now.

Prior to the Civil War, when there was a change in the party system, at least one of the parties would take on a new name (Federalist, Whigs, etc). That stopped after the Civil War. Platforms changed but the names stayed the same. It was only third parties that had new names.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:07:34pm

re: #34 jaunte

He was thinking of this stupid shutdown game being his Coulter and Limbaugh’s Alamo.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:08:30pm

re: #40 Scottish Dragon

Every time I hear a white conservative cite MLK I want to hear more from that guy Malcolm X.

It also ignores that there were many voices. Not just Malcolm or Martin but others too. I’m at Union Station in DC a lot and there’s a statue dedicated to A Phillip Randolph, who had been doing Civil Rights work since before WWII and in fact organized the event where MLK gave the famous I Have a Dream Speech. It’s fine to discuss MLK but I get erally tired of him being used as a tool to dismiss present activists for not “doing it right” because MLK himself certainly wasn’t told he was doing it right by these same people’s ideological forefathers.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:12:23pm

Meanwhile I see Cardi B totally annihilated Tammy Lauren on Twitter, and it wasn’t even close

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:14:46pm

Just unfollowed a New York Times reporter who retweeted Rod Dreher’s ugly article about the racist Catholic kids, calling it “another side to this story.”

Dreher uses the term “Indians” throughout.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:14:57pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

(checks to see if pineapple on it)

That’s awesome!

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:15:39pm

You just can’t weld pineapple.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:15:54pm
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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:16:03pm

Can’t spell.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:16:22pm

I’m here for Woke CardiB.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:16:26pm

re: #45 Myron Falwell

Meanwhile I see Cardi B totally annihilated Tammy Lauren on Twitter, and it wasn’t even close

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Self awareness Tami has none of it.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:16:28pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

It also ignores that there were many voices. Not just Malcolm or Martin but others too. I’m at Union Station in DC a lot and there’s a statue dedicated to A Phillip Randolph, who had been doing Civil Rights work since before WWII and in fact organized the event where MLK gave the famous I Have a Dream Speech. It’s fine to discuss MLK but I get erally tired of him being used as a tool to dismiss present activists for not “doing it right” because MLK himself certainly wasn’t told he was doing it right by these same people’s ideological forefathers.

Randolph organized a march on Washington in the early 1940s to put pressure on Truman. The march didn’t happen because Truman desegregate the defense industry (Executive Order No. 8802, Fair Employment Practice in Defense Industries)

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terraincognita  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:16:51pm

re: #35 jaunte

San Somewhere.

San Quentin? I will show you some damn walls…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:17:51pm

re: #53 Teddy’s Person

Randolph organized a march on Washington in the early 1940s to put pressure on Truman. The march didn’t happen because Truman desegregate the defense industry (Executive Order No. 8802, Fair Employment Practice in Defense Industries)

FDR you mean. FDR desegregated defense industries and Truman desegregated the military entirely a few years later. But yes Randolph was doing this stuff for a long time. I love learning about men like him since while we don’t celebrate their birthday like we do MLK, they paved the way for him and MLK certainly knew that oto.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:18:39pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

FDR you mean. FDR desegregated defense industries and Truman desegregated the military entirely a few years later. But yes Randolph was doing this stuff for a long time. I love learning about men like him since while we don’t celebrate their birthday like we do MLK, they paved the way for him and MLK certainly knew that oto.

Ooops, thanks for correcting my error.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:19:31pm

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My doggins top the list - this is Chase, my oldest little mutt that has been the sweetest, smartest dog I’ve ever known. She loves people, food, and frisbee, but is getting older now. She’s the most excellent cuddler. 3/52

Follow our challenge at 2019 P52

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cat-tikvah  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:19:41pm

re: #27 Barefoot Grin

Ha! My useless senator, Pat Toomey (PA), gets a shout-out for ignoring constituents.
I call nearly every day to one or more of his offices. Spineless.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:20:47pm

re: #56 Teddy’s Person

Ooops, thanks for correcting my error.

No problem. But yeah. FDR had flaws on race but he got the party in the right direction after Wilson.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:21:15pm

re: #58 cat-tikvah

Useless is right.

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Teddy's Person  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:21:27pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

A documentary you may like (if you’re into docs) is called Birth of a Movement about William Trotter who organized protests of the movie, Birth of a Nation. I think it’s on Netflix.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:23:53pm

I just took out the code that automatically includes “quoted retweets” because Twitter’s embed feature now shows the original quoted tweet as a sub-embed, including videos and images.

If that sounds like Greek to you, no worries.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:24:01pm

re: #61 Teddy’s Person

A documentary you may like (if you’re into docs) is called Birth of a Movement about William Trotter who organized protests of the movie, Birth of a Nation. I think it’s on Netflix.

I’ll look for it, thanks. I find that era fascinating since my dads parents came of age in it.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:25:08pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Thank you for that.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:25:46pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:26:24pm

re: #65 jaunte

I’m pretty sure they deliberately ignore sarcasm and satire. You know, to own the libs.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:26:37pm

re: #65 jaunte

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Snark is lost.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:27:08pm

re: #66 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m pretty sure they deliberately ignore sarcasm and satire. You know, to own the libs.

Being a dumbass to own the libs. She also called it a monument of capitalism too lol.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:27:36pm

re: #66 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

He would actually agree with her snark, but he jumped too fast.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:29:02pm

re: #51 BigPapa

I’m here for Woke CardiB.

I believe woke is the default setting for most African Americans; the two that show up on Fox are more the exception. Tomi’s definitely showing that one of the possible settings for whites is pure idiot.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:29:06pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:29:16pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Being a dumbass to own the libs. She also called it a monument of capitalism too lol.

These fucking people.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:30:25pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

If that sounds like Greek to you, no worries.

I think that means less wasted LGF page space. I noticed sometimes I posted a Tweet or Reply and it posted more Tweets taking up space.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:32:13pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:33:19pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Trump-thing. That is a good one. :)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:33:56pm

re: #75 PhillyPretzel

Trump-thing. That is a good one. :)

I’m still partial to “tangerine wankmaggot” - thanks, UK, for giving us some awesome retorts. But that’s just me.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:33:59pm

re: #75 PhillyPretzel

Trump-thing. That is a good one. :)

He makes everything not groovy.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:34:04pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

I just took out the code that automatically includes “quoted retweets” because Twitter’s embed feature now shows the original quoted tweet as a sub-embed, including videos and images.

If that sounds like Greek to you, no worries.

It will be interesting to see how Invincia handles the embedded thing tomorrow. Sometimes I will see the tweet being quoted or replied to and sometimes not.

Since I’m not allowed to go to twitter at work, I use your preview feature to check a link. If it is twitter, I can at least see it, and if not, I can find out where it will take me. Saves me from running into my work’s visitation policies. I also cannot view facebook or youtube at work.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:34:48pm

re: #76 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I’m still partial to “tangerine wankmaggot” - thanks, UK, for giving us some awesome retorts. But that’s just me.

That was the Scots in specific. I met some Scottish people this summer and told them I was dying at those insults.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:35:27pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

That was the Scots in specific. I met some Scottish people this summer and told them I was dying at those insults.

Never been prouder to be part Scots.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:35:57pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

Just unfollowed a New York Times reporter who retweeted Rod Dreher’s ugly article about the racist Catholic kids, calling it “another side to this story.”

Dreher uses the term “Indians” throughout.

The NYT keeps tongue bathing that fascist jackass.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:36:54pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

BTW…who was it?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:36:54pm

re: #80 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Never been prouder to be part Scots.

And I that my second grandmother a native of Glasgow though she was Irish not Scottish.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:39:19pm

re: #80 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Never been prouder to be part Scots.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:39:49pm

re: #82 Scottish Dragon

Trip Gabriel.

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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:40:50pm

Has anyone mentioned that those high school boys from the elite Covington Catholic school wouldn’t have been there except that they were bused in to march against women’s rights to control our own bodies, including even getting abortions?

From the very start, these young men were there for a bad purpose. And then they wore the MAGA hats and harassed the Natives performing their ceremony. But let’s not forget that these young men, the pride of the Catholic Diocese of Covington, were there to show the rest of us how much contempt they have for women’s bodily autonomy.

I didn’t want that to get lost in all the noise. The whole reason they were in DC was just wrong from the moment they got on the bus in Covington.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:41:19pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:41:54pm

re: #86 mmmirele

Has anyone mentioned that those high school boys from the elite Covington Catholic school wouldn’t have been there except that they were bused in to march against women’s rights to control our own bodies, including even getting abortions?

From the very start, these young men were there for a bad purpose. And then they wore the MAGA hats and harassed the Natives performing their ceremony. But let’s not forget that these young men, the pride of the Catholic Diocese of Covington, were there to show the rest of us how much contempt they have for women’s bodily autonomy.

I didn’t want that to get lost in all the noise. The whole reason they were in DC was just wrong from the moment they got on the bus in Covington.

That’s a good point.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:44:37pm

re: #85 Charles Johnson

Trip Gabriel.

Thanks.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:47:03pm

There was more going on at that demonstration yesterday than has been reported, but the right wing version is distorted, of course.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:47:04pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

[South Korean artist Seugh-Hwan Oh creates distorted photographic portraits by growing emulsion-eating fungus on his film]

I love nature photography.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:50:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:52:35pm

re: #92 Scottish Dragon

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Agh I feel bad for my Irish cousins.

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:55:20pm

re: #3 BigPapa

I love Cake. Used to see them in clubs back in the day in SF Bay Area. Fun with 50 people, fun with 5000. Unmistakable sound. And they’re political AF.

I love me some Cake too. I love their lyrics and the fun they have with their songs. Got to see them here in Columbus what is now some time ago. Great show.

I still play Fashion Nugget all the damn time. I have many of their albums, but that still is my favorite.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 12:58:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:03:12pm

re: #95 Charles Johnson

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Yeah I’m seeing that too. Holy fuck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:04:01pm

*SPIT*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:05:58pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*SPIT*

Shades of the Fugitive Slave Act.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:06:37pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Malignant hacks like Levin (and Coulter and Limbaugh) have been core to this mess by building up the whole wall narrative and promoting the idea that shutdowns are winnable.

The Democrats cave to the GOP and these people get enabled and emboldened. Especially when both of these narratives the right has held near and dear to their hearts have failed in the court of public opinion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:08:07pm

re: #99 Myron Falwell

Malignant hacks like Levin (and Coulter and Limbaugh) have been core to this mess by building up the whole wall narrative and promoting the idea that shutdowns are winnable.

The Democrats cave to the GOP and these people get enabled and emboldened. Especially when both of these narratives the right has held near and dear to their hearts have failed in the court of public opinion.

The GOP built this by humoring Rush instead of treating him like the clown he was in the 90’s. 25 years later, Rush is seen as credible when he doesn’t deserve credibility.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:08:31pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*SPIT*

“If you do not agree with us, you will be made an example of.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:08:50pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

They decided to go full stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:09:55pm

re: #102 Myron Falwell

They decided to go full stupid.

Evil not stupid.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:11:04pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Evil not stupid.

Evil and stupidity are co-related in instances like this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:11:07pm

In fact Mike Pence was a Rush clone before he got elected to the House.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:11:17pm

re: #104 Myron Falwell

Evil and stupidity are co-related in instances like this.

True enough l

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:14:24pm

I see Tulsi like comments in the replies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:15:35pm

re: #107 MsJ

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I see Tulsi like comments in the replies.

Tom Nichols is taking a harder line on the right and the shutdown then Tulsi. Well fuck.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:16:28pm

re: #107 MsJ

If Dems cave, Trumps gloating will be unbearable.

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:17:07pm

LOL

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:18:43pm

re: #110 MsJ

Perfect.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:19:07pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

If Dems cave, Trumps gloating will be unbearable.

Yep that’s why we can’t give into “your favorite President.”

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:19:12pm

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Tom Nichols is taking a harder line on the right and the shutdown then Tulsi. Well fuck.

We live in weird and uncertain times.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:20:01pm

re: #113 Myron Falwell

We live in weird and uncertain times.

Just like Rubio showed more courage than Sanders on that oligarch.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:20:29pm

re: #113 Myron Falwell

We live in weird and uncertain times.

Politics makes strange bedfellows.

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:20:39pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

If Dems cave, Trumps gloating will be unbearable.

Worse, everything will become a hostage situation.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:21:58pm

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

If Dems cave, Trumps gloating will be unbearable.

Forget Trump… the whole hard right and those who would want to be a disciplined authoritarian in the GOP.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:22:54pm

re: #107 MsJ

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I see Tulsi like comments in the replies.

Trump effectively made it clear yesterday that he views this $5.7B as a down payment, that he will be asking for more money later and will keep asking until his vanity project is completed or he’s removed from office. So if the Dems accept a “deal” now that includes any money for that project, then he’s going to consider that precedent and go forward with future demands.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:22:57pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:23:06pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’m seeing that too. Holy fuck.

Did you see that longer video in the last thread?

It looks to me like the Native Americans were just getting between the two groups lobbing taunts at each other to bring some “peace” in their own way.

The Catholic boys then decided to make fun of them and it went from there.

I think like a lot of kids, they got high on themselves and then that brought about typical mob stupidity.

Of course their backgrounds and schooling came out and there is certainly bigotry in the group. But did they intend to be purposely racist???

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:24:17pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

I posted upthread that we are about to get hit with extreme cold here, which is nothing unusual; it’s actually been unseasonably warm so far this January, despite the fact that we have been in the single digits on either side of zero for the last couple of days.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:24:52pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

Did you see that longer video in the last thread?

It looks to me like the Native Americans were just getting between the two groups lobbing taunts at each other to bring some “peace” in their own way.

The Catholic boys then decided to make fun of them and it went from there.

I think like a lot of kids, they got high on themselves and then that brought about typical mob stupidity.

Of course their backgrounds and schooling came out and there is certainly bigotry in the group. But did they intend to be purposely racist???

TBH I’m not sure.

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gwangung  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:25:12pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

Of course their backgrounds and schooling came out and there is certainly bigotry in the group. But did they intend to be purposely racist???

Yes.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:25:22pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

It’s a day ending in Y, so yeah. Typical right-wing claptrap.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:25:33pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

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He would do that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:26:14pm

But tbh reading about that school and how the few PoC get treated, I lean yes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:30:30pm

The DNC has a major opportunity in this shutdown to show that they are a united party that can withstand the strain of media pressure to “go along to get along” because to do otherwise is seen as “unpopular.” The days of Ron and Tip sitting in the Oval Office over drinks and hammering out an agreement are long gone, we’re dealing with the GOP that vowed those days would never come back. They have chosen to pursue shutdowns as a means of extracting through hostage-taking what they could not get through legislation. If the DNC does not put that to a halt now, it will continue forward even if we do retake the White House in 2020 because the GOP will continue to believe that they just have to endure negative press longer than the DNC to win.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:30:35pm
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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:30:51pm

re: #123 gwangung

Yes.

Can you expound on that a bit?

What I meant was the schoolboys didn’t purposely gather at that spot to act out as racists.

I’m open. I’m just trying to understand the behaviors of everyone. Not out to defend anyone.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:31:51pm

re: #120 ObserverArt

Did you see that longer video in the last thread?

It looks to me like the Native Americans were just getting between the two groups lobbing taunts at each other to bring some “peace” in their own way.

The Catholic boys then decided to make fun of them and it went from there.

I think like a lot of kids, they got high on themselves and then that brought about typical mob stupidity.

Of course their backgrounds and schooling came out and there is certainly bigotry in the group. But did they intend to be purposely racist???

Does it matter? The vast majority of racism in this country isn’t purposeful, it operates at an ingrained, subconscious level within people allergic to introspection. Racism is a mimetically spread reflex, learned from and by people who sincerely believe they personally have “transcended race.”

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:32:31pm

So thinking about Giuliani’s words this morning. Perhaps the Buzzfeed story has a lot right, but something important to the Mueller investigation wrong.

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sagehen  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:34:24pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

FDR you mean. FDR desegregated defense industries and Truman desegregated the military entirely a few years later. But yes Randolph was doing this stuff for a long time. I love learning about men like him since while we don’t celebrate their birthday like we do MLK, they paved the way for him and MLK certainly knew that oto.

The reason MLK was so much more successful than those who came before is… television.

Generations of civil rights activism had been doing marches, magazines & newspapers, lobbying efforts, but the only people who knew anything about it were people who deliberately wanted to know something about it.

But with television, every American in every state and city suddenly HAD to know about it. They saw photos and video footage that directly contradicted everything they’d ever wanted to believe about our nation, and they were ashamed.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:34:38pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:35:17pm

re: #131 Unshaken Defiance

So thinking about Giuliani’s words this morning. Perhaps the Buzzfeed story has a lot right, but something important to the Mueller investigation wrong.

I think it best at this time to go forward assuming that the Buzzfeed story is plausible but unverified. Unfortunately, in the current environment, that’s effectively the same as saying its a fabrication.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:35:40pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

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Reminds me of what happened in Canada under the previous administration.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:36:22pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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And a judge ruling that he had to keep them in place for at least a year.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:36:40pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

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I’ve seen several variations of this same headline, proving the few rational wingnuts right that the purpose of the bill is about framing the DNC as abandoning Dreamers to hurt Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:40:14pm

re: #132 sagehen

The reason MLK was so much more successful than those who came before is… television.

Generations of civil rights activism had been doing marches, magazines & newspapers, lobbying efforts, but the only people who knew anything about it were people who deliberately wanted to know something about it.

But with television, every American in every state and city suddenly HAD to know about it. They saw photos and video footage that directly contradicted everything they’d ever wanted to believe about our nation, and they were ashamed.

Yeah I think you’re right about the impact of TV. I TBH never thought about that.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:41:27pm

re: #32 Teddy’s Person

Republicans conveniently ignore that, under King, it was both a civil rights and labor rights movement. They selectively use King the way they selectively use the bible.

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it’s the same kind of pigeonholing they do with everyone else all the time, at any time in history

grab onto one criterion and that must, absolutely must telegraph every other possible position that person could hold

as if a person couldn’t be pro gun and pro-choice, or anti-gun/anti-choice, ad infinito

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:41:53pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

Flip that on its head. In a campaign with no TV, could Trump have still won?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:42:30pm

re: #34 jaunte

WH source tells me POTUS misspoke and was referring to San Diego

didnt obama do that once

has he gotten any slack yet?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:42:55pm

meanwhile in Greater Cincinnati:

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:43:50pm

re: #131 Unshaken Defiance

So thinking about Giuliani’s words this morning. Perhaps the Buzzfeed story has a lot right, but something important to the Mueller investigation wrong.

My takeaway from the Mueller objection is the focus on attribution. The SOC was pissed off because “they don’t leak,” and I believe some of what was alleged was purposefully left out of Cohen’s allocution. The theory is if they “officially” had possession of these documents then they’d have to formally charge the President with having committed a felony. Therefore the documents likely remain formally in SDNY’s possession and strategically have not been shared. So the leaks likely came from sources in the SDNY, and those SDNY sources felt okay letting them out of the bag because they don’t need Cohen’s testimony in a bunch of pending lower level cases. Remember, SDNY are the ones who gave Weisselberg total immunity, and it was SDNY whose filings made it clear that Individual 1 was the President.

Basically what we’re looking at is SOC and SDNY bumping heads, and Mueller’s team was a little miffed that this shit might fuck up their game plan. This thread from @emptywheel lays the theory out:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:44:23pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

Flip that on its head. In a campaign with no TV, could Trump have still won?

No, I don’t think so.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:45:23pm

re: #132 sagehen

The reason MLK was so much more successful than those who came before is… television.

Generations of civil rights activism had been doing marches, magazines & newspapers, lobbying efforts, but the only people who knew anything about it were people who deliberately wanted to know something about it.

But with television, every American in every state and city suddenly HAD to know about it. They saw photos and video footage that directly contradicted everything they’d ever wanted to believe about our nation, and they were ashamed.

It’s rather like the impact of digital cameras and social media in recent years, getting footage and commentary before the journalists can get arsed to do more than show up and do interviews to hear “both sides of the story.” Whether that’s cop-related shootings, protests that turn into violent clashes, or politicians saying stupid shit aloud that they think won’t ever become public.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:46:23pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

It’s rather like the impact of digital cameras and social media in recent years, getting footage and commentary before the journalists can get arsed to do more than show up and do interviews to hear “both sides of the story.” Whether that’s cop-related shootings, protests that turn into violent clashes, or politicians saying stupid shit aloud that they think won’t ever become public.

Yes, I had the same thoughts. It’s why I take a mixed view of social media as a whole.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:46:23pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:47:20pm

re: #140 Eclectic Cyborg

Flip that on its head. In a campaign with no TV, could Trump have still won?

Consider the veritable barrage of negative reporting in print about Hillary Clinton that we faced on a daily basis, versus the puff pieces that largely focused on Trump as the “outsider candidate” who was the “man of the people.”

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:48:18pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Does it matter? The vast majority of racism in this country isn’t purposeful, it operates at an ingrained, subconscious level within people allergic to introspection. Racism is a mimetically spread reflex, learned from and by people who sincerely believe they personally have “transcended race.”

You are right.

But there is a difference between a group of blockheads letting their bigotry out when the opportunity came to them and a group like the Tiki Torchers that gathered in Charlotte to purposely put on a racist demonstration.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:48:36pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Saw that yesterday, and Marcy is right — Buzzfeed did oversell the “lying at Trump’s command” angle. There’s some good information in the story (even though I’m really not a fan of Jason Leopold), but the outright accusation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress isn’t supported well enough.

To me, this looks like an editorial failure. Someone should have stepped in and toned down that angle. They were looking for the clicks and they got them.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:48:45pm
America will never make concessions to terrorists—to do so would only invite more terrorism—nor will we ask nor pressure any other government to do so. Once we head down that path there would be no end to it, no end to the suffering of innocent people, no end to the bloody ransom all civilized nations must pay.

Ronaldus Maximus Reaganus

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gwangung  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:49:04pm

re: #129 ObserverArt

Can you expound on that a bit?

What I meant was the schoolboys didn’t purposely gather at that spot to act out as racists.

I’m open. I’m just trying to understand the behaviors of everyone. Not out to defend anyone.

It’s rather irrelevant what they intended to do as an outing. Their behavior is separate from that.

They felt justified in abusing someone of another race. They felt secure that the system would protect them. They invoked slogans and symbols used by the mainstream system that frequently are used to oppress minorities.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:49:04pm

Think about it this way: Without TV, Richard Nixon would likely have won in ‘60. The election was considered close enough towards the end that the televised debate is seen as giving JFK enough edge to win the day. By contrast, people who tuned into the radio broadcast (which was still a significant portion of the population in 1960) thought Nixon won.

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steve_davis  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:50:10pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I don’t know what MLK would have done had he lived into the 1970’s and beyond. I don’t know that. But i don’t see any evidence that he was treading more conservative as he got older. In fact, the opposite.

MLK was a communist. I don’t say that as a bad thing, but reading his writings, it’s obvious why the FBI was terrified of him, and it wasn’t because he was a chamber of commerce Republican.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:52:13pm

re: #127 Targetpractice

The DNC has a major opportunity in this shutdown to show that they are a united party that can withstand the strain of media pressure to “go along to get along” because to do otherwise is seen as “unpopular.” The days of Ron and Tip sitting in the Oval Office over drinks and hammering out an agreement are long gone, we’re dealing with the GOP that vowed those days would never come back. They have chosen to pursue shutdowns as a means of extracting through hostage-taking what they could not get through negotiation legislation. If the DNC does not put that to a halt now, it will continue forward even if we do retake the White House in 2020 because the GOP will continue to believe that they just have to endure negative press longer than the DNC to win.

a slight tweak

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:52:51pm

re: #154 steve_davis

MLK was a communist. I don’t say that as a bad thing, but reading his writings, it’s obvious why the FBI was terrified of him, and it wasn’t because he was a chamber of commerce Republican.

Yeah but people do change. Didn’t Eldridge Cleaver of the Black Panthers become a Reagan supporter? I tend to agree btw. I think he would definitely still be pissing off the right people today.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:52:54pm

Baby it’s cold outside…

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:53:24pm

The best way to get lots of clicks to your website through social media, if you don’t care about lying and/or exaggerating, is to exploit confirmation bias.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:53:53pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

Does it matter? The vast majority of racism in this country isn’t purposeful, it operates at an ingrained, subconscious level within people allergic to introspection. Racism is a mimetically spread reflex, learned from and by people who sincerely believe they personally have “transcended race.”

Considering the repeated mentions of Dr. King in this thread, I would be remiss if I didn’t bring up his bitter derision of white moderates in his infamous “Letter from a Birmingham Jail,” saying they did more to harm the Civil Rights movement than did white racists because they thought their well-meaning calls to “tone it down” was out of anything but a desire to get black folks to quiet down so society could return to business as usual.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:54:06pm

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:54:14pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

The best way to get lots of clicks to your website through social media, if you don’t care about lying and/or exaggerating, is to exploit confirmation bias.

Yes.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:54:22pm

re: #155 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

a slight tweak

Fair point.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:54:23pm

re: #157 Joe Bacon 🌹

Baby it’s cold outside…

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He shouldn’t have left the door open.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:55:20pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

Considering the repeated mentions of Dr. King in this thread, I would be remiss if I didn’t bring up his bitter derision of white moderates in his infamous “Letter from a Birmingham Jail,” saying they did more to harm the Civil Rights movement than did white racists because they thought their well-meaning calls to “tone it down” was out of anything but a desire to get black folks to quiet down so society could return to business as usual.

The white moderates are the same people today who say they sympathize a little with BLM but wish they’d be nicer to the cops.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:55:52pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Sounds right. The good news here seems to be there are two investigations that have damning evidence on the admin for sure, and likely Trump personally from each perspective. State and Federal. Gives me some hope Trump is really screwed sooner, sadly maybe way later.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:56:26pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

Don’t ever change. :-)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:56:48pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

The best way to get lots of clicks to your website through social media, if you don’t care about lying and/or exaggerating, is to exploit confirmation bias.

ummmm do i upvote this or not????

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:57:57pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

‘Idiot’ would apply if the case were that your objective is the dollar.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:58:11pm

Here is a meme to use all day tomorrow:

Source of quote.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:58:16pm

re: #165 Unshaken Defiance

Sounds right. The good news here seems to be there are two investigations that have damning evidence on the admin for sure, and likely Trump personally from each perspective. State and Federal. Gives me some hope Trump is really screwed sooner, sadly maybe way later.

The unfortunate reality is that nailing criminal conspiracies is a time-taking exercise, even if you have the cooperation of prominent members of the conspiracy. There’s a reason that Gotti was known as the “Teflon Don,” and it wasn’t because he loved cookware.

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Interesting Times  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:58:46pm

Damn, this thread (short, so I’m posting all of it) - it’s like every comment ever made on LGF about these topics condensed to superconcentrated form:

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:58:46pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Saw that yesterday, and Marcy is right — Buzzfeed did oversell the “lying at Trump’s command” angle. There’s some good information in the story (even though I’m really not a fan of Jason Leopold), but the outright accusation that Trump ordered Cohen to lie to Congress isn’t supported well enough.

To me, this looks like an editorial failure. Someone should have stepped in and toned down that angle. They were looking for the clicks and they got them.

I think we’re all pretty certain that Trump did make it clear somehow that he wanted Cohen to lie, the only question is how. I mean, he dictated a purposefully misleading statement for Jr on board Air Force 1 about the meeting with Veselnitskaya. He lied, and clearly directed his family to lie for years about the Trump Tower Moscow project and not having any ties to Russia. He lied about not having paid hush money to Stormy Daniels. Pretty much all he ever fucking does is lie.

Combined with the fact that it took the SOC something like 22 hours to issue an objection, when they’d been given an advance notice on the story and refused comment before publishing, tells me that what they’re likely quibbling over is the assertion that they had these specific documents. Documents that the Buzzfeed reporters claim to have seen.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:59:18pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

The best way to get lots of clicks to your website through social media, if you don’t care about lying and/or exaggerating, is to exploit confirmation bias.

Buzzfeed News has always been accused of being clickbaity because the rest of the Buzzfeed sites are that way. And while they may do some good serious journalism, they still can’t completely avoid their roots.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 1:59:23pm

re: #169 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a meme to use all day tomorrow:

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Source of quote.

Dr. King’s birthday has become one of those days I dread, if only because so many of my fellow white people are going to spend it co-opting his message to spread their own.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:00:34pm

re: #167 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ummmm do i upvote this or not????

Are you one of those people who has a tendency to overthink things?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:00:43pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Dr. King’s birthday has become one of those days I dread, if only because so many of my fellow white people are going to spend it co-opting his message to spread their own.

I mean his message is universal but when I see as I have white people like Pence justifying the wall through it or using it against young black men and women, it really ticks me off.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:03:39pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

You’re not. I respect you greatly for this stance.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:04:01pm

re: #173 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Buzzfeed News has always been accused of being clickbaity because the rest of the Buzzfeed sites are that way. And while they may do some good serious journalism, they still can’t completely avoid their roots.

Leopold’s past also haunts him, which is just life, past performance matters. Buzzfeed News has played it fast and loose a few times, taken risks that other more cautious outlets wouldn’t have. I feel like this is a gray water story, and that there’s probably lots of legitimate dirt in it to be filtered out.

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:04:13pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

I know where you are coming from with that feeling.

Doing the right thing often times can hurt the bottom line. I have a bit of a career in that thinking. But I am happy and not haunted by ever screwing anyone over or taking advantage to make a buck.

Why, I think a lot of that has to do with my Catholic education! Heh.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:04:48pm

I would rather Mueller do things right, even if that means taking his time dotting i’s and crossing t’s, than rush into a final report that falls apart in court because something was missed or the most important evidence was thrown out on a technicality. I want Donny and that ferret living on his head to spend the rest of his life penniless and behind bars, even if that means he remains free for another month while the final nails for his coffin are forged.

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CarolJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:05:38pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I see the same thing happening with the internet. Lots of people are seeing things that happened before in real time now and in a volume that was never possible before. TV was a step forward, but you had to at least get tv cameras there from some station and the permission to broadcast or tape. Cameraphones don’t have that limitation. No permission needed to tweet or post and it can happen anywhere at anytime. Also the internet makes it possible to state one’s case in more depth and keep it up.

About those kids: why are they there in the first place at all? How sensitive are 14-17 year old guys about the whole issue of abortion anyway? What can they say about it that is even remotely relevant? They can father kids, but that’s a subject that needs to be addressed back at home. And nobody female old enough to consider the subject is going to listen to them anyway.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:06:49pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

I agree. And Mueller is the dot the i’s and cross the t’s type. He will get it done.

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:08:39pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

Are you one of those people who has a tendency to overthink things?

Let me think about that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:10:37pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:11:31pm

re: #181 CarolJ

I see the same thing happening with the internet. Lots of people are seeing things that happened before in real time now and in a volume that was never possible before. TV was a step forward, but you had to at least get tv cameras there from some station and the permission to broadcast or tape. Cameraphones don’t have that limitation. No permission needed to tweet or post and it can happen anywhere at anytime. Also the internet makes it possible to state one’s case in more depth and keep it up.

About those kids: why are they there in the first place at all? How sensitive are 14-17 year old guys about the whole issue of abortion anyway? What can they say about it that is even remotely relevant? They can father kids, but that’s a subject that needs to be addressed back at home. And nobody female old enough to consider the subject is going to listen to them anyway.

Well from what I understand the Catholic schools bus in the kids to protest Roe so I doubt they have much choice in going.

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CarolJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:13:21pm

There was also a breakdown in discipline even before the incident. Strange town, attending a protest, emotions are heated. Chaperones of teenage kids should have told them that immediately after the event, to get on the bus or back to the hotel to eliminate stuff like this. Getting into clashes with people you don’t know is a great way to get into real danger and trouble, and kids aren’t always the most able to deal with provocation.

Some would say, what about the teenagers in the Civil Rights movement? The unspoken thing about those marches were the training and screening of participants to prevent stuff like this from happening. There was a previous bus boycott before Rosa Parks led by some teenager, but because she was an unwed mother, the movement went with Rosa Parks. Less likely to create unwanted scandal.

Not just scandal, but the training was done to insure that participants were able to deal with whatever provocation they were given without throwing fits.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:13:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:15:46pm

hahahahaaa

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:16:33pm

One last thought, it’s possible that Whittaker forced the SOC to issue the objection after coordinating with the White House. That would explain the 22 hour delay. Whittaker has been read in enough to know whether or not Mueller’s team actually had such documents and this is exactly the kind of pedantic detail Trump’s team would seize on to try the case in the court of public opinion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:16:49pm

re: #154 steve_davis

MLK was a communist. I don’t say that as a bad thing, but reading his writings, it’s obvious why the FBI was terrified of him, and it wasn’t because he was a chamber of commerce Republican.

he believed that the economy should function for the benefit of everyone, not as a process of tossing scraps to the masses while an elite enriched itself

call that communism if you want

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gwangung  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:16:52pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Dr. King’s birthday has become one of those days I dread, if only because so many of my fellow white people are going to spend it co-opting his message to spread their own.

Seriously.

Same thing with Rosa Parks. Remember the twits who were trying to shame BLM people with her? Right. The Black Power advocate? Malcolm X’s godmother? She’d shame them alright….shame them for NOT GOING FAR ENOUGH.

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:17:32pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dang. I thought my brother-in-law’s father was the only as*hat who did that. He even bragged about it once at a birthday party. He was so proud of himself that he made someone spend money to drag the boulder away.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:17:52pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahaaa

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Tomi really is sensitive. AOC didn’t say anything about violence just not to mess with Bronx girls. Go back to the Dakotas, Tomi, they’re missing their village idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:18:58pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

I would rather Mueller do things right, even if that means taking his time dotting i’s and crossing t’s, than rush into a final report that falls apart in court because something was missed or the most important evidence was thrown out on a technicality. I want Donny and that ferret living on his head to spend the rest of his life penniless and behind bars, even if that means he remains free for another month while the final nails for his coffin are forged.

he has known that all along and that is what is driving us all to distraction: we want leaks and bombshells and a flood of information to distract ourselves speculating about

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:26:02pm

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

he has known that all along and that is what is driving us all to distraction: we want leaks and bombshells and a flood of information to distract ourselves speculating about

I’d argue what a lot of people who are getting antsy really want is for this all to be over with, which they figure is going to happen the moment Mueller announces his investigation has concluded and his report is released. That the moment that happens, Trump’s acts will come to an immediate halt and some measure of sanity will be restored to American politics.

Well, the unfortunate reality is they won’t and it won’t. Impeachment is a long and involved process, which is really what it should be in order to ensure that it is not invoked on a whim or in a fit of political pique. And even if he’s indicted, Donny will still be able to serve while he fights it in the courts. So I think stories like Buzzfeed’s do us a disservice by raising our hopes that there will be a fast “solution” to all this.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:26:40pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Dr. King’s birthday has become one of those days I dread, if only because so many of my fellow white people are going to spend it co-opting his message to spread their own.

I know far too many people who complain about it:

1) Compared to just about every other Western country, we barely get any time off. Yet, I’ve actually had people complain to me that we shouldn’t get the day off because it’s too close to New Year’s.

2) More distressingly, I know people who are irritated that it’s dedicated to MLK. If it were a white civil rights leader, you wouldn’t hear one fucking peep about getting this day off.

Three guesses as to the skin color of the people making these complaints.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:29:14pm

re: #196 Mattand

I know far too many people who complain about it:

1) Compared to just about every other Western country, we barely get any time off. Yet, I’ve actually had people complain to me that we shouldn’t get the day off because it’s too close to New Year’s.

2) More distressingly, I have people are irritated that it’s dedicated to MLK. If it were a white civil rights leader, you wouldn’t hear one fucking peep about getting this day off.

Three guesses as to the skin color of the people making these complaints.

I live in a state that only recently in its history abandoned dubbing such “Lee-Jackson-King Day” out of “heritage.” And that still remains a sore spot with a lot of my fellow white Virginians who think that it somehow detracts from said “heritage” that we do not celebrate two white traitors annually.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:30:45pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

I live in a state that only recently in its history abandoned dubbing such “Lee-Jackson-King Day” out of “heritage.” And that still remains a sore spot with a lot of my fellow white Virginians who think that it somehow detracts from said “heritage” that we do not celebrate two white traitors annually.

I hate that we’re still frigging treating Lee as if he was some kind of hero all these years later. And I really hate the narrative that Lee had no other choice. Bullshit. Every state including Virginia sent volunteers to defend the Union. And if I have to hear about how Lee “really” opposed slavery again, I’ll barf knowing what the Army of Northern Virginia did to black POWs during the war.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:32:07pm

re: #196 Mattand

I know far too many people who complain about it:

1) Compared to just about every other Western country, we barely get any time off. Yet, I’ve actually had people complain to me that we shouldn’t get the day off because it’s too close to New Year’s.

2) More distressingly, I know people who are irritated that it’s dedicated to MLK. If it were a white civil rights leader, you wouldn’t hear one fucking peep about getting this day off.

Three guesses as to the skin color of the people making these complaints.

We’re coming up on February and March which means we get to hear how come there’s no white history month/taking Morgan Freeman’s quote out of context and then how come there’s no male history month. And then there are those stupid white people who insist we “owe” everything to white people. I actually had a teacher one year woh was a distant relation of Charles Drew, the African-American inventor of blood banks.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:33:58pm

Black people are told to get over slavery. Indigenous people over genocide. Japanese-Americans to get over internment but Southern whites are never told by these same people to accept that the fact that only did the South lose the war but their cause was immoral.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:35:04pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

I live in a state that only recently in its history abandoned dubbing such “Lee-Jackson-King Day” out of “heritage.” And that still remains a sore spot with a lot of my fellow white Virginians who think that it somehow detracts from said “heritage” that we do not celebrate two white traitors annually.

Christ, I’d completely forgotten about that. I never heard about that bullshit until well into adulthood, having lived in the Northeast all of my life.

I can only imagine how galling it is to have your state government tell you “We are going to celebrate a man who fought to make sure your ancestors remained slaves.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:35:36pm

I don’t even begrudge someone the choice to honor their CSA ancestor. I just ask that A) the CSA not be celebrated by the state, B) that they acknowledge that the cause wasn’t so glorious, and C) that it certainly was over slavery.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:36:14pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Black people are told to get over slavery. Indigenous people over genocide. Japanese-Americans to get over internment but Southern whites are never told by these same people to accept that the fact that only did the South lose the war but their cause was immoral.

“You were never a slave!”

“You live tax free with casinos!”

“We were only doing what we had to do!”

“RESPECT MY HERITAGE!!!”

The truly hilarious bit is when the last is bellowed by white shitheads whose “heritage” either traces back to Union states or (worse) to Union soldiers themselves.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:36:47pm

re: #201 Mattand

Christ, I’d completely forgotten about that. I never heard about that bullshit until well into adulthood, having lived in the Northeast all of my life.

I can only imagine how galling it is to have your state government tell you “We are going to celebrate a man who fought to make sure your ancestors remained slaves.”

Our Lt Governor is African-American. Lt. Governor Fairfax was understandably uncomfortable with all the tributes being paid to Lee. And if we’re going to celebrate a Jackson, Stonewall’s sister Laura- an Unionist and slavery opponent is much worthy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:38:25pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

“You were never a slave!”

“You live tax free with casinos!”

“We were only doing what we had to do!”

“RESPECT MY HERITAGE!!!”

The truly hilarious bit is when the last is bellowed by white shitheads whose “heritage” either traces back to Union states or (worse) to Union soldiers themselves.

Oh yeah as a Virginian, by far the worst are the people who are Yankees that do that shit. Look at Steve King the other day touting his abolitionist forefathers yet the shit brain has a CSA flag in his office. I don’t have any Southerners in my direct line but some of my cousins do and man my one cousin was telling me about how his dad’s parents had black servants in the 60’s and it embarrassed him because he saw how they were treated like second class citizens.

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Alephnaught  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:38:45pm

re: #35 jaunte

San Itty Broken.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:39:04pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I don’t even begrudge someone the choice to honor their CSA ancestor. I just ask that A) the CSA not be celebrated by the state, B) that they acknowledge that the cause wasn’t so glorious, and C) that it certainly was over slavery.

LOL, B and C are exactly why I begrudge people who celebrate their ancestors being the CSA, because they never own up to the whole treasonous/pro-slave basis for the Confederacy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:39:27pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

Our Lt Governor is African-American. Lt. Governor Fairfax was understandably uncomfortable with all the tributes being paid to Lee. And if we’re going to celebrate a Jackson, Stonewall’s sister Laura- an Unionist and slavery opponent is much worthy.

How about Generals like Winfield Scott and Henry Thomas, Virginians who went on to fight for the Union?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:40:14pm

re: #195 Targetpractice

I’d argue what a lot of people who are getting antsy really want is for this all to be over with, which they figure is going to happen the moment Mueller announces his investigation has concluded and his report is released. That the moment that happens, Trump’s acts will come to an immediate halt and some measure of sanity will be restored to American politics.

Well, the unfortunate reality is they won’t and it won’t. Impeachment is a long and involved process, which is really what it should be in order to ensure that it is not invoked on a whim or in a fit of political pique. And even if he’s indicted, Donny will still be able to serve while he fights it in the courts. So I think stories like Buzzfeed’s do us a disservice by raising our hopes that there will be a fast “solution” to all this.

Add to that 1) it’s not just Trump, but a whole host of people and 2) those people won’t be impeached but indicted, and they need strong cases built up against them.

Yes, there apparently has been a lot going on already with the SCO, but for all we know, they could be having to delay the findings beyond this most recent extension date.

And I’m fine with that TBH, if that means the whole mafia can be taken down.

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:40:26pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

Black people are told to get over slavery. Indigenous people over genocide. Japanese-Americans to get over internment but Southern whites are never told by these same people to accept that the fact that only did the South lose the war but their cause was immoral.

Happy, that is why a lot of White folks are lashing out. They are being told the truth and in so many cases they never had to think about it, they were protected.

Now they are having to answer to it and some are reluctant, some refuse, some are angry and others are a combination.

That is why they do not like immigration. It no longer is White Europe coming to America it is people of color and nations they are afraid of and they no longer have the numbers to give them those protections.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:40:45pm

re: #207 Mattand

LOL, B and C are exactly why I begrudge people who celebrate their ancestors being the CSA, because they never own up to the whole treasonous/pro-slave basis for the Confederacy.

Hahaha you are right. Anyhow, I know this. I doubt my second great grandfather a Union man was an abolitionist but I know if he was, he was an exception, and I’m proud of him, an immigrant no less for choosing liberty over slavery. I would love to find out he was ahead of his time though just like his grandson, my dad’s father was.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:41:26pm

re: #196 Mattand

I know far too many people who complain about it:

1) Compared to just about every other Western country, we barely get any time off. Yet, I’ve actually had people complain to me that we shouldn’t get the day off because it’s too close to New Year’s.

2) More distressingly, I know people who are irritated that it’s dedicated to MLK. If it were a white civil rights leader, you wouldn’t hear one fucking peep about getting this day off.

Three guesses as to the skin color of the people making these complaints.

We get Lincoln’s birthday off. :)

And I think we should get a day off every month.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:41:27pm

re: #208 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How about Generals like Winfield Scott and Henry Thomas, Virginians who went on to fight for the Union?

George Thomas, yes. Oh absolutely. Hell we don’t even honor George Marshall who was a big part of why we won WWII.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:42:04pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

Happy, that is why a lot of White folks are lashing out. They are being told the truth and in so many cases they never had to think about it, they were protected.

Now they are having to answer to it and some are reluctant, some refuse, some are angry and others are a combination.

That is why they do not like immigration. It no longer is White Europe coming to America it is people of color and nations they are afraid of and they no longer have the numbers to give them those protections.

Yes, you are correct.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:42:07pm

re: #207 Mattand

LOL, B and C are exactly why I begrudge people who celebrate their ancestors being the CSA, because they never own up to the whole treasonous/pro-slave basis for the Confederacy.

I cannot begin to put myself in the shoes of every single person who lived in the Confederacy and had to face a decision on whether or not to support it and/or how.

But it is not any sort of thing that any government government body should honor with any official recognition, monument or ceremony.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:42:19pm

Lee had a choice. He chose to abandon his oath and his loyalty for the same reason that Arnold abandoned his: personal greed. Fighting against slavery and for abolition directly threatened his own wealth, as well as that of wife’s family. Had he fought for the Union, it would have meant freeing those slaves that kept him in a comfortable lifestyle and he wasn’t prepared to do that. He would not be the first general who threw in with a losing cause in order to enrich himself.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:43:00pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

Lee had a choice. He chose to abandon his oath and his loyalty for the same reason that Arnold abandoned his: personal greed. Fighting against slavery and for abolition directly threatened his own wealth, as well as that of wife’s family. Had he fought for the Union, it would have meant freeing those slaves that kept him in a comfortable lifestyle and he wasn’t prepared to do that. He would not be the first general who threw in with a losing cause in order to enrich himself.

And you know what, it doesn’t make him the most evil bastard in history but FFS he shouldn’t be celebrated either.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:43:25pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

But you get a better-than-average clientele, and that’s not nothing.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:43:40pm

The problem though is for century we only got the white guys’ version of the war. It was much easier to kiss and make up for Northern Whites after the war ended than for black Americans.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:45:25pm

re: #219 HappyWarrior

The problem though is for century we only got the white guys’ version of the war. It was much easier to kiss and make up for Northern Whites after the war ended than for black Americans.

“Though we may disagree, they are still our brothers” was the viewpoint of the North, hence why it was easier to accept the end of Reconstruction than threaten the future of the Union over an election’s result.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:45:33pm

I do an online get together with a group of people every Tuesday. One guy is in Louisiana. Veteran; deacon for his church; devoted family guy; really generous with his time if you have a tech question.

All around nice guy, but one of his big bucket list items is to get to Stone Mountain, GA; aka, the Confederate Mt. Rushmore.

The straight-out enthusiasm in his voice about trying to accomplish this trip is just really disheartening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:45:46pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

George Thomas, yes. Oh absolutely. Hell we don’t even honor George Marshall who was a big part of why we won WWII.

Time again to trot out my favorite quote from Virginia-born Union General George Henry “The Rock of Chickamauga” Thomas:

The greatest efforts made by the defeated insurgents since the close of the war have been to promulgate the idea that the cause of liberty, justice, humanity, equality, and all the calendar of the virtues of freedom, suffered violence and wrong when the effort for southern independence failed. This is, of course, intended as a species of political cant, whereby the crime of treason might be covered with a counterfeit varnish of patriotism, so that the precipitators of the rebellion might go down in history hand in hand with the defenders of the government, thus wiping out with their own hands their own stains; a species of self-forgiveness amazing in its effrontery, when it is considered that life and property—justly forfeited by the laws of the country, of war, and of nations, through the magnanimity of the government and people—was not exacted from them.
Report to General Ulysses S. Grant (17 November 1868)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:46:16pm

re: #220 Targetpractice

“Though we may disagree, they are still our brothers” was the viewpoint of the North, hence why it was easier to accept the end of Reconstruction than threaten the future of the Union over an election’s result.

Exactly and that’s why the Lost Cause narrative was able to develop.

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CarolJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:46:55pm

Also, we forget that Lee’s war was the bloodiest in US history. 600, 000 died that we know of, and we’ve fought wars with better weapons against foreign adversaries that had no reason to hold back at all.

This thing also reminds me of when they had those Marriage Defense rallies before gay marriage. A lot of the participants were children from churches and schools, a few came from Christian colleges, some minority congregations, and nobody else. What was largely missing were people older than 18 who were there on their own and who were old enough to understand and struggle with that issue.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:47:56pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Exactly and that’s why the Lost Cause narrative was able to develop.

Selective ignorance of US history helps it spread…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:48:32pm

re: #221 Mattand

I do an online get together with a group of people every Tuesday. One guy is in Louisiana. Veteran; deacon for his church; devoted family guy; really generous with his time if you have a tech question.

All around nice guy, but one of his big bucket list items is to get to Stone Mountain, GA; aka, the Confederate Mt. Rushmore.

The straight-out enthusiasm in his voice about trying to accomplish this trip is just really disheartening.

In my experience, what CSA fans count on is the person they’re talking to not knowing much about the war. I don’t see how you can call Lincoln the aggressor when you take into count two big factors, Fort Sumter was fired upon by the Confederates and most of the CSA states seceded when Buchanan was still President. Oh and the whole slavery thing is mentioned in their founding documents as was the unapologetic white supremacy. I won’t pretend the Union government was enlightened racially but they were a lot more than the CSA was.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:48:50pm

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Selective ignorance of US history helps it spread…

That’s part of it too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:50:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:51:05pm

I mean no one wants to admit their ancestor fought for a shitty cause and with the Civil War, it’s easy for me to see how the mythos developed but it’s up to you as a human living in the 21st century to separate the legends your granddad told you from the actual history.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:51:30pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

That’s part of it too.

A classic talking point: “Most of the men fighting for the Confederacy did not even own slaves!”

Because according to the Confederate Conscription Act, men owning more than 20 slaves were exempt from the draft. They had to stay home and protect the womenfolk…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:52:37pm

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A classic talking point: “Most of the men fighting for the Confederacy did not even own slaves!”

Because according to the Confederate Conscription Act, men owning more than 20 slaves were exempt from the draft. They had to stay home and protect the womenfolk…

Right. And I imagine plenty of those slave owners did in fact serve in the home guards.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:54:11pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Right. And I imagine plenty of those slave owners did in fact serve in the home guards.

rounding up poor whites who would no go fight for their right to own slaves…

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:54:18pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER]

A flying full set of murder mittens. Get the Bactine.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:57:39pm

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A classic talking point: “Most of the men fighting for the Confederacy did not even own slaves!”

Because according to the Confederate Conscription Act, men owning more than 20 slaves were exempt from the draft. They had to stay home and protect the womenfolk…

It was the “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” bit of its day, convincing poor white folks that if abolitionism won, then they would forever lose any hope of raising their own social station so that they might one day own a plantation with hundreds of slaves keeping them wealthy.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:57:51pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

Are you one of those people who has a tendency to overthink things?

maybe i am
and maybe im not

what i am is a libra

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ObserverArt  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:58:49pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

It was the “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” bit of its day, convincing poor white folks that if abolitionism won, then they would forever lose any hope of raising their own social station so that they might one day own a plantation with hundreds of slaves keeping them wealthy.

Ahhh. Trickle down slavery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 2:59:15pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

It was the “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” bit of its day, convincing poor white folks that if abolitionism won, then they would forever lose any hope of raising their own social station so that they might one day own a plantation with hundreds of slaves keeping them wealthy.

West Virginians realized they would never make it to the Big Leagues and split…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:00:11pm

re: #234 Targetpractice

It was the “temporarily embarrassed millionaires” bit of its day, convincing poor white folks that if abolitionism won, then they would forever lose any hope of raising their own social station so that they might one day own a plantation with hundreds of slaves keeping them wealthy.

Or LBJs convince a poor white man he’s better than a black man. I’d love an alternative history where poor whites and blacks destroy the slave owning aristocracy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:00:38pm

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

West Virginians realized they would never make it to the Big Leagues and split…

Well slavery was never big here.

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Nyet  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:01:11pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:01:15pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Well slavery was never big here.

not really plantation country

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:01:51pm

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

not really plantation country

Nope. Plus we had some Quaker communities here too.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:03:04pm

re: #235 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

maybe i am
and maybe im not

what i am is a libra

Weighing each option down to the nanogram?

Do you ‘think’ while you run?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:03:16pm

google.com

Exit Stage Pompeo?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:05:00pm

Math is hard for the Trump administration
it’s been up 5 hours now, with no correction. And, the State Department retweeted it

What’s 2 years amongst historians, right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:05:41pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Or LBJs convince a poor white man he’s better than a black man. I’d love an alternative history where poor whites and blacks destroy the slave owning aristocracy.

Convince an Irish Protestant that he is better than an Irish Catholic: How they get Ulstermen in Northern Ireland to continue to support the UK

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:05:56pm

re: #245 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Math is hard for the Trump administration
it’s been up 5 hours now, with no correction. And, the State Department retweeted it

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What’s 2 years amongst historians, right?

Ha!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:06:37pm

re: #246 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Convince an Irish Protestant that he is better than an Irish Catholic: How they convince Ulstermen in Northern Ireland to continue to support the UK

Yep and that worked too.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:06:40pm

re: #235 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

maybe i am
and maybe im not

what i am is a libra

I’m a Libra, and I way overthink stuff.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:08:55pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Weighing each option down to the nanogram?

Do you ‘think’ while you run?

Oh, yeah. I’ll be listening to a podcast while walking the dog and start mulling over something. 8 minutes go by and I realize I have no idea what was being discussed on the podcast.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:09:02pm

re: #240 Nyet

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Good work. Thanks.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:09:51pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Weighing each option down to the nanogram?

Do you ‘think’ while you run?

in the early days yes
i considered it ‘think time’ / time i could focus
id come home and write copious notes about all kinds of things, standing on the back deck dripping and huffing
it was a terrible intrusion

over time and with a lot of practice, i learned how to turn it into calm and quiet.
now it’s running meditation
i drift and rarely think about any one thing for more than a few seconds

i am an easier, lighter, smoother and happier runner (oh yes, and faster too)
and a better person throughout the day

(steps off soapbox)

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:09:53pm

re: #245 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Math is hard for the Trump administration
it’s been up 5 hours now, with no correction. And, the State Department retweeted it

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What’s 2 years amongst historians, right?

They’ll change it to 42

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:11:12pm

re: #249 Mattand

I’m a Libra, and I way overthink stuff.

are you sure?

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:13:38pm

re: #254 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

are you sure?

Sure that I’m a Libra, or sure that I overthink things?

Let me answer that question by showing you the 346 slide Powerpoint deck I created on my early October birthday…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:14:00pm

re: #250 Mattand

Oh, yeah. I’ll be listening to a podcast while walking the dog and start mulling over something. 8 minutes go by and I realize I have no idea what was being discussed on the podcast.

i used to run with music. i even stopped that
i do have internal music that kicks in sometimes. i hate it when i cant change the channel

interestingly, this last week at the dopey a bunch of times during the half and full marathons i went by a mile marker, pressed my watch split and had absolutely no idea what mile i was at. i had to as, was that…..?

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:16:33pm

re: #252 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

If one were to desire a slightly faster 5k; longer strides or faster, shorter ones, or whatever keeps your heart rate down the best?

Did I just answer my own question? I’m gonna hafta try each, aren’t I.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:20:30pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

All you need to know about the right and civil rights is to look at what right wingers at the time were saying about it. Buckley opposed it and even pushed the usual IT’S A COMMUNIST PLOT crap. Goldwater while not an ugly racist opposed the CRA using the states rights excuse. HW Bush opposed the legislation as did Reagan. Nixon had been early in his career good on the issue but after 1960 became weaker on the issue. The best Republican President on the issue was probably Gerald Ford who voted for the legislation as a House member but he still didn’t find it important enough to refuse to endorse Goldwater over which I might add several Republicans did.

Great point. I don’t know how anyone could look at Republicans starting from the 1960s and not see that they are no friends to people of color or to Civil Rights advocates. They may have been so in the long distant past but that has changed in my lifetime. I’m 50 and at no point in my life have I seen Republicans as allies when it comes to civil rights. With their stance on voting, LGBT, abortion, immigration, etc., they have placed themselves on the wrong side of too many issues.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:27:09pm

SPORTS BALL ALERT
LA Rams going to the Super Bowl

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:29:30pm

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

SPORTS BALL ALERT
LA Rams going to the Super Bowl

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It’s been a bad two weeks in this house: I’m an Eagles fan, and she’s a Saints fan.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:30:38pm

re: #260 Mattand

It’s been a bad two weeks in this house: I’m an Eagles fan, and she’s a Saints fan.

the ‘Ain’ts were robbed

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:33:09pm

Gah; someone on my Facebook feed is fucking both-siding the Covington pricks in DC. I have to restrain myself from commenting on her posts, as I went after a “I voted for Trump for business skills, not his racism” idiot who turned out to be her boss’s wife.

Fuck this country’s Magic Balance Fairy addiction.

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:33:56pm

re: #261 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

the ‘Ain’ts were robbed

Yeah, that absolutely was a blown pass interference call at the end there. It seems like the officiating in the NFL gets worse every year.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:33:57pm

re: #261 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

the ‘Ain’ts were robbed

That pass interference non-call…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:36:19pm

re: #264 Belafon

That pass interference non-call…

My dad said there were several.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:36:24pm

Just had a nice supermoonrise in CST. Eclipse action should start in about 2 hrs.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:36:44pm

re: #262 Mattand

Gah; someone on my Facebook feed is fucking both-siding the Covington pricks in DC. I have to restrain myself from commenting on her posts, as I went after a “I voted for Trump for business skills, not his racism” idiot who turned out to be her boss’s wife.

Fuck this country’s Magic Balance Fairy addiction.

“On the one hand, you had white boys yelling at black men. On the other hand, you had white boys yelling at a Vietnam veteran.”

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:37:53pm

re: #131 Unshaken Defiance

So thinking about Giuliani’s words this morning. Perhaps the Buzzfeed story has a lot right, but something important to the Mueller investigation wrong.

I’m thinking Buzzfeed got the story right, and Mueller needs to tamp down exactly what Buzzfeed is reporting, because they still need Cohen to testify to the specifics of Buzzfeed’s claims - and this could have been an early tipoff via SDNY, which leaks like a sieve (going back to HRC and the email kerfuffle that Rudy found out about days before it broke in the news).

Remember, Mueller was actually calling for Cohen to get no time based on the info Cohen was providing to Mueller. SDNY was going for 3 years prison - and got it.

That is the tipoff that Mueller’s got to protect their witness and the evidence chain.

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Targetpractice  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:38:57pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:43:17pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Thanks. I will be watching Victoria. Is there a website that will be carrying the eclipse?

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Mattand  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:45:25pm

re: #267 Belafon

“On the one hand, you had white boys yelling at black men. On the other hand, you had white boys yelling at a Vietnam veteran.”

Christ, I may just use that.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:45:57pm

re: #13 PhillyPretzel

The storm has departed and now the temps are dropping.
forecast.weather.gov

Yeah, it’s been cold over here in the west side of the state. And a bit of white stuff fell.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:47:20pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Just had a nice supermoonrise in CST. Eclipse action should start in about 2 hrs.

we’re going up to Mauna Kea to see it

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:47:29pm

re: #271 Mattand

Christ, I may just use that.

Feel free.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:49:55pm

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I will be watching Victoria. Is there a website that will be carrying the eclipse?

Still looking. Found the NASA site, but it isn’t updated. Thanks Pelosi.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:50:29pm

The video is big in Preview. Can’t tell, though, the depth of the stuff that moves around inside it. Could be something all the way on the other side.

omg, there’s a microbe emoji (in the text, not the video)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:51:35pm

re: #273 BigPapa

we’re going up to Mauna Kea to see it

You’ll have to stand on the correct side of those big corn silos.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:52:14pm

BTW, tell me again how he was calm and the disinvitation didn’t make his blood boil and his tiny fists ball up in impotent rage.

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bratwurst  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:52:17pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:56:36pm

re: #270 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I will be watching Victoria. Is there a website that will be carrying the eclipse?

space.com

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:57:56pm

So, Sorkin goes after AOC and other rookie Democrats. Piers Morgan piles on… and it goes as one would expect.

Piers is enjoying the ratio:
2,502 replies 127 retweets 680 likes
Reply 2.5K Retweet 127 Like 680

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 3:58:08pm

re: #280 Decatur Deb

Thanks. I will try it again. I just got hit with several pop-ups.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:00:05pm

re: #257 wrenchwench

If one were to desire a slightly faster 5k; longer strides or faster, shorter ones, or whatever keeps your heart rate down the best?

Did I just answer my own question? I’m gonna hafta try each, aren’t I.

no you wont. this is an easy one.

go with same normal stride, generally faster - think footfalls per minute - more is better

longer strides are not better. correct form is more important
you lose what would be a good foot landing/planting when you stretch

(imo) heart rate takes care of itself. the more you run the more your heart, lungs, circulation, adapt and get more efficient. it doesnt matter what your heart rate is as long as your putting in the right effort for the run you’re doing

you can follow your heart with a monitor. i dont think you learn much.
or just use the old fashioned talk / cant talk effort tests (which is what i do).

a 5k is basically a just below all out effort run

im off to see my niece.
more later

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:00:47pm

re: #282 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I will try it again. I just got hit with several pop-ups.

Hmmm. No popups here, and I run no blockers except vanilla Ubuntu 14.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:04:42pm

re: #281 lawhawk

So, Sorkin goes after AOC and other rookie Democrats. Piers Morgan piles on… and it goes as one would expect.

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Piers is enjoying the ratio:
2,502 replies 127 retweets 680 likes
Reply 2.5K Retweet 127 Like 680

Piers is such an obnoxious gasbag.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:05:32pm

re: #281 lawhawk

So, Sorkin goes after AOC and other rookie Democrats. Piers Morgan piles on… and it goes as one would expect.

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He just means she doesn’t have/isn’t a dick.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:09:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:09:53pm

AOC has a degree in economics and IR. Sorkin obviously isn’t stupid but telling an elected official with a strong politics background she’s stupid is just like Piers.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:13:49pm

re: #282 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. I will try it again. I just got hit with several pop-ups.

Try this one:

timeanddate.com

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PhillyPretzel  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:14:54pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Thanks. That one works. :)

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:17:34pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:18:03pm

re: #253 bd(it’s all true)

They’ll change it to 42

Oh sure, that’s the answer to everything….

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:21:01pm
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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:21:19pm

They’re still at it:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:22:30pm
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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:23:01pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:26:14pm

re: #295 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Stonekettle

In the last 48 hours I’ve offended, gun nuts, pro-lifers, lovers of opera, praying mantises, the Catholic Church, people who hate the Catholic Church, time travelers, beardos, and men who think mocking their sons on Twitter is funny shit.

Kiri Te Kanawa will cut him.

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bratwurst  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:27:04pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:28:05pm

re: #291 freetoken

Real sports:

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Video

Was that the emperor at about 4:30?

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:28:21pm

The both-siders are full on press with the BLACK MUSLIMS! now, working that idea across all platforms.

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:28:35pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Was that the emperor at about 4:30?

Yup.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:31:15pm

re: #300 freetoken

The both-siders are full on press with the BLACK MUSLIMS! now, working that idea across all platforms.

Is this the thing where the Covington Boys were harassing some black muslims, when Elder Philips stepped in between and spoiled their fun?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:33:13pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Is this the thing where the Covington Boys were harassing some black muslims, when Elder Philips stepped in between and spoiled their fun?

They weren’t Black Muslims, though. They were that nut cult that provided the “Blacks for Trump” at his Nuremberg rallies.

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plansbandc  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:33:24pm

re: #228 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That is a perfect video.

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Jay C  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:33:31pm

re: #300 freetoken

The both-siders are full on press with the BLACK MUSLIMS! now, working that idea across all platforms.

Weren’t the weird black guys at that rally some sort of black “Jews” , rather than black “Muslims”?

Or is it too much to expect wingnuts to know the difference? Or care?

PS: Clear skies over Gotham giving a nice view of that big Blood Wolf Moon - Google sez the eclipse won’t start til about 23:30 ET. Definitely will stay up to see it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:33:40pm

re: #302 Blind Frog Belly White

Is this the thing where the Covington Boys were harassing some black muslims, when Elder Philips stepped in between and spoiled their fun?

They weren’t black Muslims it turns out.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:34:09pm

re: #305 Jay C

Weren’t the weird black guys at that rally some sort of black “Jews” , rather than black “Muslims”?

Or is it too much to expect wingnuts to know the difference? Or care?

PS: Clear skies over Gotham giving a nice view of that big Blood Wolf Moon - Google sez the eclipse won’t start til about 23:30 ET. Definitely will stay up to see it.

One of them is in fact a prominent Trump fan.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:35:02pm

re: #304 plansbandc

That is a perfect video.

If only Firefox would play it. I’m getting so many Twitter videos that “cannot be played in this browser” the last few days.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:43:19pm

Has anyone ventured into S2 of The Punisher? I’ll prolly delv in later tonite.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:43:36pm

re: #291 freetoken

Real sports:

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Video

I’ve only been once, but I sat in a masu seat, the second tier seats where you sit on zabuton mats and the sponsoring owners of the boxes bring you bags of goodies. I’ve also had the privilege of going to a Nō performance that included national treasure actors and sitting, again, cross-legged for hours on mats. Give me the fucking cheap seats any day so that I can stretch my legs. I have no idea how the Japanese manage to sit that way for hours. (Of course, I know that many Japanese can’t comfortably either. I’ve been to two funerals where the Buddhist temple offered seats that allowed one to tuck legs under to make it look like you were doing seiza.)

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:45:24pm

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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*SPIT*

WWJD

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:46:56pm

It occurred to me that if the Mueller report implicates leftists as well as RWNJs (which seems likely), the Birchers and other paleocon cultists will claim it as a vindication of their own past claims of communist conspiracy. At the same time, they will parse the data to ignore the massive evidence against their own side. They will have to ignore a world of facts and history to do this, but that is their stock in trade.
The Russian oligarchs will use any tool at their disposal, of course, but they are not communists and their purpose is not to advance communism. Soviet subversion was very real, but the right wing claims of the time missed almost all of it and were obviously intended simply to discredit domestic opposition.

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retired cynic  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:48:36pm

Fixing the Red State Problem, by David Atkins. Good.

washingtonmonthly.com

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:48:37pm

re: #311 Eventual Carrion

WWJD

Maybe it’s an “Onward Christian Soldier” thing…..

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:48:52pm
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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:55:47pm

So, we in northern NJ dodged the snow bullet with the snowstorm (upstate NY got hammered with 1-2 feet of snow though), but right now the wind is howling as the temps are plummeting and flash freezing of anything that didn’t dry out before the temps fell.

So of course Trump is busy equating climate with weather (same as always from the know nothings).

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 4:56:45pm

re: #314 retired cynic

From your link:

In other words, any hope for a path to responsible progressive governance in America without radical revolutionary constitutional change lies through reorienting the economy toward a more equitable distribution of gains, secured in part from anti-monopolistic practices. The alternative is a retreat to an unacceptable defeatism.

Not sure “equitable distribution of gains” is possible since the agency working to stop that - the US Senate - is itself an extension of imperialism.

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plansbandc  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:01:54pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:03:49pm

re: #287 Charles Johnson

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KungFuCorgi

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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:03:58pm
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gocart mozart  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:04:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:05:04pm

re: #321 MsJ

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When you have a pompous asshole that doesn’t know anything about military history or strategy other than lame right wing talking points about Patton and MacArthur,and one who insists he knows more than the generals., this happens.

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can't think of a decent username  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:06:41pm

re: #322 gocart mozart

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That’s one of the greatest songs and videos in recorded history, so there.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:08:26pm

Tang the Asshole is spewing some JW

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:09:58pm

READ THIS THREAD

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:10:22pm

FROM FB VIA Samantha Bee

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:10:27pm

re: #325 Dave In Austin

Couldn’t see Wood’s comment in Twitter because the dumbass blocked me when I handed him his ass for all to see. It wasn’t quite cardi B v Tomi territory, but I’ll take my wins where I can (and punching over my weight class at that).

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:14:08pm

re: #11 Blind Frog Belly White

I saw a Twitter thread last night, which I can’t find now. Just as well.

The point of it was that the author was seated next to a young man and woman who were apparently on a first date. He was giving a play-by-play of how the young man was failing, and honestly, it pissed me off a bit. His basic assumption seemed to be that the guy should have been more glib and talkative, to match how glib and talkative the young woman was. Also that he should have more interests to share with her, because she likes travel and this and that and the other.

It struck me that one reason why this bothered me is that he was essentially saying this guy was a bad prospect for life-long partner because he’s introverted, not effusive nor a witty raconteur.

The thing is, I’d bet that the vast majority of successful relationships are not between people who are the same. For example, Mrs. FBW was always much more social, more interested in going places than I am. I read somewhere a relationship described as one being the kite, and the other the tail. Without the tail, the kite flies all over the place unpredictably. Without the kite, the tail stays on the ground. Put them together and you’ve got something that both flies and is stable.

This one?
(tbh, I wasn’t impressed either)

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:14:27pm

Looks like Shaun King stepped in it bigtime, and still does what he always does. Try to weasel around the fact that he’s always done this kind of shady stuff (which is why I got blocked - when calling him out for lies back in the Ferguson days).

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:15:13pm

The northeastern blizzard is MUCH worse than we thought.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:17:07pm

re: #187 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Don’t mess with geologists.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:17:23pm

re: #330 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Looks like Shaun King stepped in it bigtime, and still does what he always does. Try to weasel around the fact that he’s always done this kind of shady stuff (which is why I got blocked - when calling him out for lies back in the Ferguson days).

What exactly happened and yeah I’m not his biggest fan either. He’s not the worst of the Bernie Bros but he definitely has a lot of faults that make it hard for me to take him as serious as he wants to be.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:20:37pm

re: #330 lawhawk

Looks like Shaun King stepped in it bigtime, and still does what he always does. Try to weasel around the fact that he’s always done this kind of shady stuff (which is why I got blocked - when calling him out for lies back in the Ferguson days).

Oh, dude, I remember the whole Ferguson thing. He started out on point, but then he started twisting things to suit his agenda and it got sad, because he had done such excellent, on-point reporting. Then it got weird and then a lot of people stopped trusting him, but not everybody, and… yeah.

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ckkatz  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:21:27pm

re: #262 Mattand

Gah; someone on my Facebook feed is fucking both-siding the Covington pricks in DC. I have to restrain myself from commenting on her posts, as I went after a “I voted for Trump for business skills, not his racism” idiot who turned out to be her boss’s wife.

Fuck this country’s Magic Balance Fairy addiction.

Whenever I see claims like “I voted for Trump for business skills, not his racism”, or due to “economic anxiety”, I am reminded of this:

“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is Nazi. Nobody cares about their motives anymore.”

— Julius Goat

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lawhawk  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:22:15pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

He’s threatening to sue activists who are claiming that he misused funds and alleged that King made unsubstantiated allegations while not retracting or correcting when he was wrong.

Then he went after a woman who questioned him and his purposes.

King’s aggressive response has splintered the activist community, with some backing his right to defend his reputation and others questioning why he would go after other African American men and women who have advocated for similar causes.

“This was a heavy-handed and unnecessary act by someone claiming to be committed to justice and uplifting Black people,” tweeted Clarissa Brooks, a black, queer community activist and recent Spelman College graduate who received one of King’s cease-and-desist letters. “I am not a malicious person and I do not appreciate being accused of trying to destroy anyone.”

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:25:29pm
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gwangung  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:25:56pm

For something lighter (though a bit off topic), a friend (at least, he’ll respond when I say hello), recently made some theatre history:

news.abs-cbn.com

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:29:19pm

re: #338 gwangung

For something lighter (though a bit off topic), a friend (at least, he’ll respond when I say hello), recently made some theatre history:

news.abs-cbn.com

Hey way cool.

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ipsos  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:30:26pm

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

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And yet even the lawyer or PR professional or whatever doesn’t know the difference between “diffuse” and “defuse.”

Argh.

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:38:54pm

re: #340 ipsos

Welcome to the Idiocracy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:38:56pm

re: #340 ipsos

And yet even the lawyer or PR professional or whatever doesn’t know the difference between “diffuse” and “defuse.”

Argh.

The kid’s spokesmouth says:

“I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me - to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.”

*vomit*
He’s a victim and a martyr but especially a dumbass, just like that dumbass who tried to “preach the gospel” to the Sentinel Islanders.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:39:51pm

“Kremlin Cruz”…….

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:44:18pm

I dunno - that statement from the kid does seem professionally written, but we’re getting into Rashomon territory here now.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:45:08pm

But I don’t understand why the chaperones didn’t get those kids out of there instead of telling them to start doing school chants.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:46:27pm

re: #345 Charles Johnson

But I don’t understand why the chaperones didn’t get those kids out of there instead of telling them to start doing school chants.

There’s been some discussion on this. Some chaperones are actually responsible adults. Some chaperones, well, they use the excuse “chaperoning the kids” to run off and do their own thing, sometimes with each other. I was a public schooler, I saw plenty of both varieties over the years. I’m sure you probably did too.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:47:08pm

That kid smirking and staying right up in the face of the man drumming and chanting tells the real story for me.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:47:46pm

So easy to turn and walk away.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:49:04pm

re: #345 Charles Johnson

But I don’t understand why the chaperones didn’t get those kids out of there instead of telling them to start doing school chants.

Because pwn teh libs. Spiritual warfare. Teach young men to confront evil in the public square for Christ!

If this was a public school, people would have been fired already. Far right wing Catholic school….who the hell knows.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:49:38pm

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

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I wonder what flack wrote that and passed it off as the kid’s?

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Charles Johnson  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:49:51pm
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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:50:43pm
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MsJ  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:51:13pm

re: #345 Charles Johnson

But I don’t understand why the chaperones didn’t get those kids out of there instead of telling them to start doing school chants.

The chaperones probably were prior students and it’s ingrained.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:51:49pm

re: #353 MsJ

The chaperones probably were prior students and it’s ingrained.

Yeah there’s definitely a culture there.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:51:54pm

re: #352 Scottish Dragon

Funny enough, a truly liberal woman wouldn’t let a man tell her what to do. She’d put her foot in his gonads and go do her own thing.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:52:22pm

Florida man strikes again. amp.miamiherald.com

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:52:23pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

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All I can say is that the mindset is not on education or student safety. They were there for a confrontation by having the students there for this in the first place.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:52:24pm

The chaperones took the kids to DC specifically to confront political opponents/inferiors.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:52:41pm

re: #358 jaunte

The chaperones took the kids to DC specifically to confront political opponents/inferiors.

That is fast becoming the inescapable conclusion.

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austin_blue  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:52:56pm

Eveil Empire, 17, Chiefs, 14. C’mon Chiefs!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:04pm

re: #358 jaunte

The chaperones took the kids to DC specifically to confront political opponents/inferiors.

Of course, they did. It’s not like these kids were on a trip to a museum.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:27pm

re: #358 jaunte

The chaperones took the kids to DC specifically to confront political opponents/inferiors.

Yep. They were there for a confrontation to begin with.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:30pm

re: #360 austin_blue

Eveil Empire, 17, Chiefs, 14. C’mon Chiefs!

Come on KC. Please make me at least consider watching the SB this year.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:48pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:52pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Come on KC. Please make me at least consider watching the SB this year.

Yeah. Pats/Rams means I am definitely only going to YouTube the commercials after the fact.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:53:55pm

re: #360 austin_blue

Eveil Empire, 17, Chiefs, 14. C’mon Chiefs!

Darth v. Luke

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:54:45pm

re: #365 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Yeah. Pats/Rams means I am definitely only going to YouTube the commercials after the fact.

Same. I’d watch if it’s Goff versus Mahomes but fuck Brady and his Trump loving ass.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:55:34pm

re: #367 HappyWarrior

Same. I’d watch if it’s Goff versus Mahomes but fuck Brady and his Trump loving ass.

I was hoping for the Saints and the Chiefs, but the Saints got absolutely robbed. Brees has got to be fucking furious right now. Best damn quarterback in the league, and he gets stiffed by not one, not two, but THREE blown calls.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:55:42pm

BTW I knew plenty of Catholic school kids growing up. They take the kids to protest Roe at a very early age and don’t teach any respect for the other side of arguments.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:56:23pm

re: #368 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I was hoping for the Saints and the Chiefs, but the Saints got absolutely robbed. Brees has got to be fucking furious right now. Best damn quarterback in the league, and he gets stiffed by not one, not two, but THREE blown calls.

Yeah I heard about that. I wanted that too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:56:41pm

Mark is buying the kid’s (spokesmouth’s) story.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:57:24pm

KC Stops em!

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:57:31pm

@C_Stroop
12 seconds ago

He “said in a statement issued through a public relations firm,” which is another expression of extreme unearned privilege, not to mention the absurdity of claiming to “respect all races” while wearing a MAGA hat

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:58:03pm

re: #372 HappyWarrior

KC Stops em!

Sure, but there’s a lot of time on the clock, and if anybody knows how to cheat their way out of a short-time loss, it’s the Patriots.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:58:18pm

Here is another view:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:58:28pm

re: #374 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Sure, but there’s a lot of time on the clock, and if anybody knows how to cheat their way out of a short-time loss, it’s the Patriots.

True.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 5:59:32pm

re: #376 HappyWarrior

True.

Gahh. The Patriots are right next to the Yankees on my all-time list of hated sports franchises. As an Indianapolis Colts fan, the number of times we congregated together in the early 2000’s to watch the playoffs, only to get brutalized by Brady and his band of bumbling asshats… GAHHHHH

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:00:23pm

re: #377 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Gahh. The Patriots are right next to the Yankees on my all-time list of hated sports franchises. As an Indianapolis Colts fan, the number of times we congregated together in the early 2000’s to watch the playoffs, only to get brutalized by Brady and his band of bumbling asshats… GAHHHHH

Dude I’m a Steelers fan. Three times they’ve beaten us in the AFC championship. I hate them more than I do the Yankees. That’s how much I hate Shady Brady and Darth Hoody.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:01:34pm

re: #378 HappyWarrior

Dude I’m a Steelers fan. Three times they’ve beaten us in the AFC championship. I hate them more than I do the Yankees. That’s how much I hate Shady Brady and Darth Hoody.

Only one thing I hold against the Steelers: That one time when Big Ben managed to tackle our defensive back who was about to make a pick-six and win us a playoff game (can’t remember which one). Other than that, I think we’re on the same page in our hatred of the Wicked Witch of the East.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:01:42pm
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mmmirele  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:02:18pm

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez showed up on a Twitch stream today talking about the greatness of the Nintendo 64. The stream is a British guy raising money for Mermaids UK, a charity which helps transgender and gender diverse children. He’s doing it also to poke at Graham Linehan, a “comedian” who wrote “Father Ted” but who has come hard and harsh against transgender persons.

The article gives a lot of background.

cnet.com

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:02:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:02:52pm

re: #379 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Only one thing I hold against the Steelers: That one time when Big Ben managed to tackle our defensive back who was about to make a pick-six and win us a playoff game (can’t remember which one). Other than that, I think we’re on the same page in our hatred of the Wicked Witch of the East.

Hahaha well to be fair, you shouldn’t have even been in that game after they botched a call on a Polamalu pick.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:03:02pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:03:35pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Hahaha well to be fair, you shouldn’t have even been in that game after they botched a call on a Polamalu pick.

That is probably true, but college me would probably throw a chair at the mere suggestion. ;)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:04:15pm

re: #385 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That is probably true, but college me would probably throw a chair at the mere suggestion. ;)

Oh believe me, I can see why that would have hurt. And holy shit fumble on the punt.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:04:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:05:00pm

re: #384 Single-handed sailor

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I believe he made similar comments in the Bush years too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:05:56pm

re: #387 jaunte

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Megyn is showing how little she knows about what happened. This didn’t happen in Covington. And you’re accusing pundits of being vicious? You worked at a network that mocked an autistic child as a snowflake. Go home Megyn, you’re drunk.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:08:56pm

WTF. It looked like it touched him to me.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:09:20pm

re: #343 Dave In Austin

“Kremlin Cruz”…….

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OK, I’m actually shocked that Ratcliffe didn’t go along with this.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:10:29pm

And then Brady gets picked. HAHA.

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jaunte  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:13:34pm

Here’s an accurate comment on the Covington student:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:14:23pm

KC takes the lead.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:16:15pm

DOWN WITH THE EVIL EMPIRE.
THE YANKEES OF FOOTSBALLSES.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:16:36pm

re: #394 HappyWarrior

KC takes the lead.

Now they just have to hold for 7.5 minutes, which we all know will take 15 minutes of actual real-world time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:17:02pm

re: #396 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Now they just have to hold for 7.5 minutes, which we all know will take 15 minutes of actual real-world time.

Hopefully Captain Asshole gets pick sixed here.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:17:57pm

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Hopefully Captain Asshole gets pick sixed here.

My brother and his inlaws in RI are rooting for the evil empire.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:18:28pm

re: #398 NO SMOCKING GUN!

My brother and his inlaws in RI are rooting for the evil empire.

Agh.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:18:31pm

re: #396 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Now they just have to hold for 7.5 minutes, which we all know will take 15 minutes of actual real-world time.

Which is enough time for Brady and Co. to score three times, maybe four.

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austin_blue  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:19:05pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

Come on KC. Please make me at least consider watching the SB this year.

21-17, Chiefs!

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:19:17pm

Hold on had better be trying to score every time KC has the ball.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:19:49pm

That’s roughing the passer?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:20:37pm

Haven’t shared one of my poems in awhile:

LEGACIES

They’re coming to take me away.
I just know today is the day.
I’ve had a good run
but the journey is done,
And there’s really not much left to say.

They’ve identified me as a threat,
A man who now must pay his debt,
Despite their firm choice,
To silence my voice,
I’ve got a surprise for them yet.

They can rob my heart of it’s last beat,
They can drag my remains through the street.
But one day they’ll find,
That what I’ve left behind,
Will lead them to an utter defeat.

The ones that I’ve loved and loved long,
Will grow up resilient and strong.
Their future is bright,
And they’ll take up the fight,
Even if my old flesh is long gone.

A man does not merely provide,
He teaches and coaches and guides.
The boys and the girls,
Who have been my whole world,
Amid all these ashes, will rise.

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:21:03pm

Head of NFL refs agrees that the refs blew the pass interference call: espn.com.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:22:13pm

re: #405 Belafon

Head of NFL refs agrees that the refs blew the pass interference call: espn.com.

I’m not even a NO fan and I feel awful for them. I’m tired of refs impacting the outcomes of games.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:22:15pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

You do know that the Wolf is their school mascot right? So in that group atmosphere you get Wolfpack. And they push it. It shows.

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plansbandc  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:23:53pm

What are you in prison for? I beat the hell out of a guy. You? I left water and food out in the desert to help desperate people.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:24:03pm

Edelman seems more like he should be a SEAL in a movie… a bad one.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:26:07pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:26:40pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

That’s roughing the passer?

It’s Tom Brady. People get called just for looking at him the wrong way.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:27:04pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:27:49pm

re: #411 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s Tom Brady. People get called just for looking at him the wrong way.

True, true.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:27:57pm

re: #412 teleskiguy

SERPENTINE, RICKON! SERPENTINE!!!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:28:04pm

Big play here.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:28:44pm

I SAID DOWN WITH EMPIRE

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:29:08pm

Okay plenty of time to come back for KC. But I hate seeing NE with the lead.

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BigPapa  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:29:26pm

(nevermind)

(whimper)

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:29:54pm

Somebody owes me an, “I told you so.”

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:30:18pm

About 5 minutes until the dragon starts sidling up to the moon.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:31:51pm

I was going to skin up the ski area after work for the full moon, but the forecast called for cloudy skies and sure enough, at the end of the shift, it was super cloudy.

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freetoken  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:33:37pm
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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:35:49pm

re: #422 freetoken

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I’m curious why he thinks God didn’t care about the unborn, and was even willing to use an abortion to indicate adultery.

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ipsos  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:36:33pm

If I’m doing the leap year math right, and if he serves out a full term, and if he doesn’t get reelected…. midnight ET tonight should be the exact halfway point in the Trump presidency. (It would have been noon today, but Leap Day 2020 has to be accounted for, making the halfway point 12 hours later.)

All downhill from here?

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:37:16pm

I’m not watching the spoartsball game because I really don’t care and I am not a fan *at all* of the sport. Still, I’ll share this, some of you might be amused by it.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:38:19pm

re: #425 teleskiguy

I’m not watching the spoartsball game because I really don’t care and I am not a fan *at all* of the sport. Still, I’ll share this, some of you might be amused by it.

You’re absolutely not wrong. Also: I am much more a fan of the other sportsball, I’m just paying minimal attention because I know it’s going to be The Big News (tm) tomorrow, so I should probably be aware of it.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:38:47pm

And the Moon is officially slowly entering Earth’s penumbral shadow.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:38:55pm

Crazy Idea.
Everybody calls in sick, national strike in support of those working and not paid, those who need help, now that it will be denied them.

Final food stamps payment for now

Food stamps will be paid through February, but in order to get funds, states will have to pay February payments early, by or before January 20, which could create confusion for recipients who receive an abnormally large payment that is intended to last an extra month.

By the numbers
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP) benefit recipients in 2018: 40.3 million
Total benefits paid through SNAP in 2018: 60.6 billion
Monthly benefits paid (as of September 2018): About $4.8 billion
Average monthly benefit per person: $125.25

cnn.com

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Belafon  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:39:19pm

re: #422 freetoken

Iron Ore

Look, a car!

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:39:56pm

re: #421 teleskiguy

I was going to skin up the ski area after work for the full moon, but the forecast called for cloudy skies and sure enough, at the end of the shift, it was super cloudy.

The moon took an extra hour to get over the clouds on the eastern horizon, but the sunset was as fantabulous as always. I don’t talk about it much, because I don’t want all of you to move here, but every sunrise and sunset here are is astronomical (oh, wait, I guess that applies everywhere).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:40:17pm

Still a lot of time

The football gods owe all of us.

An interception would be nice

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:40:53pm

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still a lot of time

The football gods owe all of us.

An interception would be nice

Strip fumble.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:40:58pm

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still a lot of time

The football gods owe all of us.

An interception would be nice

6 years ago, on this day, the Patriots were denied a Superb Owl appearance. I know this because it was newsworthy enough for me to comment on my Facebook.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:41:01pm

re: #431 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Still a lot of time

The football gods owe all of us.

An interception would be nice

Great game either way.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:41:09pm

re: #408 plansbandc

What are you in prison for? I beat the hell out of guy. You? I left water and food out in the desert to help desperate people.

And they all moved away from me on the bench there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I said, “And creating a nuisance.” And they all came back, shook my hand, And we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime, mother stabbing, Father raping, all kinds of groovy things that we was talking about on the Bench.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:42:29pm

re: #435 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

You can get any thing you want.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:43:19pm

Cheese and Rice, the guy can’t miss, can he.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:43:29pm

re: #436 Decatur Deb

You can get any thing you want.

‘ceptin’ Alice.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:44:14pm

re: #437 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Cheese and Rice, the guy can’t miss, can he.

It would be nice if he started to realize he was 40 like right now.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:45:32pm

re: #438 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

‘ceptin’ Alice.

Arlo and I had our physicals at the same examining station (Whitehall), a couple years apart. My experience was funnier than his.

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wrenchwench  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:46:16pm

re: #440 Decatur Deb

Arlo and I had our physicals at the same examining station (Whitehall), a couple years apart. My experience was funnier than his.

Link?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:46:18pm

re: #440 Decatur Deb

Arlo and I had our physicals at the same examining station (Whitehall), a couple years apart. My experience was funnier than his.

You have to tell that story now.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:46:21pm

re: #422 freetoken

…and, most of the cells in the meat-sack space aren’t even human.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:48:18pm

I have returned with some good news on my side of the world. The teacher who managed to insult two Chinese staffers has perhaps learned not to be such a dick in the future and has agreed to apologize to them. Perhaps threatening him with losing his job had some influence on his decision, though.

I see one of the Covington boys has come out, so to speak, with a professionally prepared statement and has divulged his name. So, he has chosen to be the lightning rod. May dog have mercy on his soul.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:48:30pm

Luckiest bastard ever.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:49:03pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Luckiest bastard ever.

Why thank you! I am very lucky.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:49:34pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Luckiest bastard ever.

They are going to win this outright, and it was never even in doubt.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:49:47pm

re: #429 Belafon

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Look, a car!

Needs moar carbon. And fire.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:51:52pm

re: #447 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

They are going to win this outright, and it was never even in doubt.

Mahomes still has time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:52:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:52:33pm

re: #449 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Mahomes still has time.

1 time out and 39 seconds. Not good odds but I’d love it to happen. God anything to prevent NE from geting near SB number six.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:52:56pm

re: #450 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Putin will be there too.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:53:15pm

re: #449 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Mahomes still has time.

Nope. I disagree. This whole thing was orchestrated to produce a Pats/Rams Superb Owl. And nobody will watch it but LA and NE.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:53:20pm

re: #451 HappyWarrior

1 time out and 39 seconds. Not good odds but I’d love it to happen. God anything to prevent NE from geting near SB number six.

Just have to get into fg range.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:53:45pm

Yes. I am a NFL Conspiracy Theorist. And I will probably disown this theory in the morning. But still.

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teleskiguy  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:54:22pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:55:35pm

re: #441 wrenchwench

Link?

re: #442 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You have to tell that story now.

It’s a shaggy dog that I told here 5 or 10 yrs ago. Shortest possible version:

My innocent 20 yr old self was sitting with the masses at the end of the exam—gutchies for all. A semi-divine corporal with a clipboard calls to the assembly: “The following guys go see the shrink.”

So I did. Shrink was a 300 lb civilian contractor with ashes and soup stains on a very large tie. Shrink has my innocently filled-out medical form.

Shrink: “It says here you’re havin trouble sleeping. Why’s that?”

Me: “‘Cause I worry a lot.”

Shrink: “Yeah. It says that here, too. What are you worried about?”

Me: “Getting drafted.”

Shrink: “Get the fuck out of here, kid.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:57:59pm

KC might get it in for a td to win.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:59:40pm

Tie game, 8 seconds left

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 20, 2019 • 6:59:40pm

re: #458 NO SMOCKING GUN!

KC might get it in for a td to win.

Gonna be overtime

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 20, 2019 • 7:05:53pm

OK, guess I should address the Catholic School up North from me…

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carey94tt  Jan 20, 2019 • 7:06:26pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

In fact, sometimes I think I’m an idiot because I try my best not to do that.

And that is why I am here.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 20, 2019 • 7:11:48pm

re: #461 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

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