Is Donald Trump Being Targeted by the Deep State? - SOME MORE NEWS

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In today’s episode, we investigate the fabled Deep State to find out what people even say they are, and whether or not they would be doing the things people say they’re doing if they happen to be what people say they are.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 9:44:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2019 • 9:45:46pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

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She, Miller and Kelly need to be indicted on Federal kidnapping charges.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2019 • 9:46:32pm

Interesting piece over at The Ringer about the potential future of football. I didn’t realize that in the early 20th century most California universities and high schools dropped gridiron football for rugby football. But the thing that I thought a lot of people around here would get a kick out of is this line:

“Now all of a sudden I’m a liberal because I have common sense and I look at science?” she says. “Has our country gone into the gutter so far that you can troll grieving parents and it’s OK? … How could a topic about child safety become political?”

The “she” is an activist for youth-sports safety named Kimberly Archie. Archie was a Young Republicans president in college and campaigned for Sonny Bono when he ran for Congress.

There’s a lot there as well about how football is shaped by culture or vice versa. Worth the read, I think, because I think it taps into something wider in our current cultural divide.

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KGxvi  Jan 22, 2019 • 9:47:40pm

re: #1 Single-handed sailor

ASYLUM IS LEGAL ENTRY AT A PORT OF ENTRY.

If you don’t understand that, you should not be running the Department of Homeland Security.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 22, 2019 • 9:57:41pm

(CL’ed from the other thread)
re: #394 Single-handed sailor

OMG. He actually said “The Shart of the Deal” and got away with it (demolishing Stephen Miller in the process).

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:01:00pm

Congress no longer has a role. They’d have to do their job to have any input at all.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:04:28pm

re: #5 Myron Falwell

(CL’ed from the other thread)

OMG. He actually said “The Shart of the Deal” and got away with it (demolishing Stephen Miller in the process).

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Criswell Bacon believes that Steven Miller has a teeny tiny pee pee.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:07:14pm

It’s clown shoes all the way down.

Donald Trump nearly derailed a televised call to the International Space Station after he got distracted, first by a sudden fantasy of going to Mars before the end of his first term in the White House, and then by a trip to the bathroom to check his reflection in the mirror, according to Team of Vipers, a new book by Cliff Sims, who worked as a communications official for Trump on his presidential campaign and in the West Wing.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:09:04pm

re: #395 Mattand

I don’t know about. The Magic Balance Fairy narrative is really starting to pick up steam. These fuckers are going to get away with this shit, again, because the American voting public has the memory of a fucking earthworm.

800,000 people are going to remember getting fucked over for a full month over this shit.

The Chris Todds and Chris Cuomos and Savannah Guthries of the world can bullshit bothsides this, but those people affected — and their families — aren’t going to forget.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:16:01pm

Satirist Russell Baker has died, age 93.

washingtonpost.com

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Myron Falwell  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:22:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:24:42pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:24:59pm

re: #9 Myron Falwell

800,000 people are going to remember getting fucked over for a full month over this shit.

The Chris Todds and Chris Cuomos and Savannah Guthries of the world can bullshit bothsides this, but those people affected — and their families — aren’t going to forget.

Add them to all the people who came out for the midterms.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:26:26pm

re: #11 Myron Falwell

Which is one of the more aggravating issues that’s arisen. The indisputable fact that the media totally botched the coverage by making it all about the kids (playing into the right’s lust for their own David Hogg) while giving the actual victim, Nathan Phillips, the shaft.

The media’s malpractice shouldn’t stun me here, but it does. And I’m actually pissed.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:37:07pm

re: #12 goddamnedfrank

Rudy is an insult to actual pro bono lawyers… even those who are bad at their jobs.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:50:20pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 10:56:25pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 11:08:19pm

LOL, fuck you, you access whores.

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gwangung  Jan 22, 2019 • 11:12:29pm

re: #18 Single-handed sailor

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LOL, fuck you, you access whores.

Yeah. Try alternate methods, you lazy twits.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 11:14:32pm

Arlo Guthrie - Coming Into Los Angeles (HQ)

It’s good time to move some dope.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 22, 2019 • 11:31:47pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 22, 2019 • 11:57:22pm
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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:08:14am

A couple of thoughts on Kentucky during the Civil War. Officially it was a slave state. But, as mentioned, it also had a large population of anti-slavery ‘Free Soilers’, mostly in the Appalachian Mountains of Eastern Kentucky.

The plantations were basically agricultural corporations where they did not have to pay wages to most of the workers as those were slaves. The slavers were mostly along the best agricultural land, particularly along the rivers. These areas were called the “black belts” because most of the population was African-American slaves.

Small farmers were generally economically (or physically) forced out of the best agricultural lands and had to move to areas less favorable to corporate agriculture. Such as the Appalachian Mountain regions.

I believe that in the case of Virginia, the white population of Western Virginia was larger than the white population of Virginia east of the Blue Ridge. I suspect that Kentucky was similar.

At the time of secession, Kentucky declared itself “neutral”. In late 1861 the Confederates attempted (and failed) to militarily seize it, it tended towards the National Government (aka the Union). In the end about 35,000 Kentuckians fought for the Confederacy while about 125,000 fought for the Union.

Union General George Thomas figured importantly in the early Kentucky campaigns, btw. And the first campaign ended with surrounded Confederate Fort Pillow asking Ulysses S Grant for terms. His response was ‘only “an unconditional and immediate surrender” could be accepted’.

After the 1861-1862 campaigns, there were multiple Confederate raids into Kentucky including one that went into Ohio and Indiana. As well as a lot of guerilla warfare on both sides. But the Confederate raids were usually chased out. And since Kentucky was bordered by the critical Ohio River, the Union had significant incentive to ensure the Confederates could not threaten it.

Trivia Question - What was Ulysses S Grant’s name?

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:14:03am
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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:21:35am

Interesting point by Caroline Orr

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 12:31:43am

The Middle East and West Asian region is famously known for being unforgiving of weakness.

I’m thinking that Afghanistan is a lost cause. Mostly because Pakistan has a very different agenda. And our current president has both shown weakness and angered them. The question would be what to do about those we are planning to abandon. Hopefully it will not be another 1842.

In the case of Iraq, we turned them over to Iran back around 2006 when we decided to support the Shia leadership (secular and religious) over the Sunni. This same dynamic is happening in Syria.

The big question then becomes what happens to the Kurds. Under Obama, we likely could have kept their neighbors mostly away. Trump’s uninterested as he can’t monetize them. They have know this and apparently have already sent delegations to Russia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:03:12am

re: #26 ckkatz

The big question then becomes what happens to the Kurds. Under Obama, we likely could have kept their neighbors mostly away. Trump’s uninterested as he can’t monetize them. They have know this and apparently have already sent delegations to Russia.

They are well fucked and they know it. Recall what happened to them after the First Gulf War.

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:10:55am

re: #27 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sadly, I have to agree with you.

On top of that, this administration will not permit those who risked their lives for us, to flee here.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:16:15am

re: #23 ckkatz

Trivia Question - What was Ulysses S Grant’s name?

Bill

Seriously, you gave a pretty good summary of KY during the War Between the States aka the War of Northern Aggression aka the American Civil War, depending on your family history. But the divisions in the state between the Confederacy and Union were more complicated than just regional leanings. Often, families were split among North/South lines, often with brothers on opposite sides fighting each other. Some counties were majority Union, while neighboring counties could be majority Confederacy. Additionally, Louisville and Covington, as well as smaller towns along the Ohio, were key stations on the Underground Railroad.

I lived in Kentucky for nearly 30 years. I’m from New York. Soon after I arrived, I met a woman about my age who, when I told her where I was from, said in a voice thick with derision, “Oh, so you’re a Yankee.” She was not joking around. It was a jarring moment, to realize that 120 years after the end of the war there were still people who hated Northerners.

I imagine there are families in KY who don’t talk about their ancestors who had fought for the other side, or their descendents.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:28am

re: #23 ckkatz

Trivia Question - What was Ulysses S Grant’s name?

Had to look it up - Hiram Ulysses Grant

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:19:34am

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:21:27am

re: #29 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I imagine their are families in KY who don’t talk about their ancestors who had fought for the other side, or their descendents.

So again, if you want to fly a Confederate flag on private property as a symbol of your family’s heritage, then I guess that is your good right. But they have no place being honored by any display or ceremony on public property or by any government body.

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:27:36am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yup!

There are some stories about this, by the way. And I feel obligated to repeat them. :)

1. The Congressman who appointed Grant to West Point got his name screwed up. He thought that the middle name was Simpson, after Grant’s mother’s maiden name. So he put S down on the appointment.

2. The bureaucracy is famous for not wanting to change an already existing document. And, it might have been near impossible for Grant to correct it.

3. Since Grant’s middle name was undefined, he became known as Ulysses Samuel, which, when shortened to US matched the markings on most military equipment.

4. Knowing how teenage boys are, the last thing he wanted to be known as was “HUG” at West Point.

So he wisely took the path of least resistance.

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:45:51am

re: #29 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Thanks!

I had family in Cincinnatti. And yes, they viewed south of the Ohio as ‘Southern’ and rural. So the mirror image of what you describe.

I have not had a chance to look it up, but iirc, there was also a pro-abolitionist newspaper in Cincinnati pre-Civil War. And a large group of pro-slavery men from Kentucky came and laid siege to the editor who was holed up in the building. I do not remember if they succeeded in brning the building down or destroying the presses. But I do seem to remember that he had a cannon at the front door with caused them some trepidation.

My ex was from southern Virginia. Her family descended from well to do plantation owners. Her parents still lived on the land. And until the late 20th Centiry, some of the slave cabins (one room shacks) were still standing. It only got electricity in the late 1940’s.

But her family was actually quite cosmopolitan and had moved on as of the WW2 and baby boomer generations.

In Virginia, there are still those who think that somehow their lives would be better, somehow, under the Confederacy. Mostly poorer white folks filled with anger at their personal situation. And responding with emotion as they usually cannot describe how they would be better off.

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 1:51:27am

re: #29 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Your post on the MMA guy had me thinking about several things.

I wonder if he were to get the appropriate CCP sponsor, he would get more traction and less pushback.

And also what seems to me to be a national tendancy of China to look inward rather than outward.

Which then reminded me of the story General Pan (or Ban) Chao and Gan Ying.

Btw, I made one unsuccessful expedition looking for baijiu. Apparently the local Virginia state liquor stores (VABC) do not carry it. Found Korean Soju Jinro Chamisul, though. Next time I make it into Maryland or DC I will check there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:01:44am

re: #34 ckkatz

In Virginia, there are still those who think that somehow their lives would be better, somehow, under the Confederacy. Mostly poorer white folks filled with anger at their personal situation. And responding with emotion as they usually cannot describe how they would be better off.

Because they would still have somebody to feel better than…

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ckkatz  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:06:23am

For a lot of them, that is likely very true.

With the stupid part being that this is not going to help them in any real way. And, just like in the Confederacy, they are treated as cannon-fodder.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:11:41am

re: #35 ckkatz

Your post on the MMA guy had me thinking about several things.

I wonder if he were to get the appropriate CCP sponsor, he would get more traction and less pushback.

And also what seems to me to be a national tendancy of China to look inward rather than outward.

Which then reminded me of the story General Pan (or Ban) Chao and Gan Ying.

Btw, I made one unsuccessful expedition looking for baijiu. Apparently the local Virginia state liquor stores (VABC) do not carry it. Found Korean Soju Jinro Chamisul, though. Next time I make it into Maryland or DC I will check there.

The nationalist fervor is pretty strong in China, as the Party is following the lead of Xi JinPing. The MMA guy is using “Western” techniques, and not the pure taiji or wu shu techniques handed down over centuries. Bruce Lee ran into the same kind of traditionalism and protective spirit when he started teaching. The MMA guy has embarrassed two “masters”, and they have a large fan base. It’s like telling Chinese people acupuncture or cupping is BS. You may be correct, but they will get very offended if you denigrate the traditional medicine espoused by Chairman Mao.

And yes, China tends to look inward, but the younger generations are not. So, the generation gap is growing wider here.

Hope you succeed in finding Moutai or some other baijiu, if only for the experience of drinking it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:14:50am

Some things, like football or country music, get so tied up in a nation’s identity that to mess with them (or to challenge people’s ideas of what they “stand for”) is to evoke tons of righteous rage.

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Alephnaught  Jan 23, 2019 • 2:40:35am

Visitors to Mail Online who use the Microsoft Edge browser can now see a statement asserting that “this website generally fails to maintain basic standards of accuracy and accountability” and “has been forced to pay damages in numerous high-profile cases”.

The message, which is produced by a third-party startup called NewsGuard, tells readers to proceed carefully given that “the site regularly publishes content that has damaged reputations, caused widespread alarm, or constituted harassment or invasion of privacy”.

It gives Mail Online, one of the world’s biggest news websites, one out of five on credibility - the same level as the Kremlin-backed RT news service.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:06:25am

We need to educate people about how modern media works, and warnings like this would be a lot less necessary.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:09:38am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:11:42am

re: #42 freetoken

Very cool photo!

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:45:57am
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 3:53:35am

Dean Martin - You Was - Lyrics

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:17:46am

re: #46 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Alleged plot by some Boy Scouts! to launch a terrorist attack on the small rural muslim town of Islamberg, NY targeted by Alex Jones and Fox News averted by police.

They were clearly acting in self-defense.

/

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:21:11am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They were clearly acting in self-defense.

/

They’ve got a nazi problem up there, don’t they?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:24:10am

re: #48 Barefoot Grin

They’ve got a nazi problem up there, don’t they?

They will be the last to admit it.

Good people on both sides and all, you know…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:39:20am

re: #49 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They will be the last to admit it.

Good people on both sides and all, you know…

We worry about Nazis on social media radicalizing young men; these may have been radicalized by Alex Jones and Fox News, and the Boy Scouts!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:41:49am

re: #50 NO SMOCKING GUN!

We worry about Nazis on social media radicalizing young men; these may have been radicalized by Alex Jones and Fox News, and the Boy Scouts!

they seem to have the disadvantage of not coming from a privileged background or going to an elite private school…kinda hard to spin this one except as

a) self-defense (this settlement was obvoiusly an IS staging camp)

b) totally fabricated deep state plot

c) what about leftist violence?

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:52:42am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:56:00am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 4:56:19am

re: #53 Patricia Kayden

The GOP is not likely to have much of a primary season so they can spend all their time and efforts on ratfucking the Democrats’ process.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:00:06am

re: #55 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP is not likely to have much of a primary season so they can spend all their time and efforts on ratfucking the Democrats’ process.

Unless Trump doesn’t run because he is like, under indictment or something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:01:22am

re: #56 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unless Trump doesn’t run because he is like, under indictment or something.

That is not likely to prevent him from winning a primary…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:02:55am

Fascinating: A sizeable meteoroid made an impact on the Moon during the eclipse.

Depressing: Don’t read the comments on the popular websites.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:03:22am

moron is not having a good morning:

good fucking grief

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:04:32am

Winning!!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:06:57am

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

Winning!!

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Hopefully it will be over 60% by the spring.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:08:30am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:10:40am

Marc A. Thiessen / Washington Post:
Trump is being the adult in the room on the shutdown

Billionaire thinks billionaire is billionaire-ing well.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:11:08am

re: #62 Dave In Austin

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He’s not wrong and I don’t think Miller is gay and I don’t think Wilson has implied.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:11:53am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Marc A. Thiessen / Washington Post:
Trump is being the adult in the room on the shutdown

Billionaire thinks billionaire is billionaire-ing well.

Theissen’s Trump opeds are the worst because they’re based on pure fantasy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:12:26am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Marc A. Thiessen / Washington Post:
Trump is being the adult in the room on the shutdown

Billionaire thinks billionaire is billionaire-ing well.

The one who said at the outset that it was his shutdown and refused an offer from the Democrats to avert it?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:15:15am

re: #66 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The one who said at the outset that it was his shutdown and refused an offer from the Democrats to avert it?

The same.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:25:50am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:27:57am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

my son would get it and he is 12

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:30:29am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Meep meep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:32:14am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Meep meep.

zip-zip f’tang!!!

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:35:24am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:36:42am

google.com

Pete Buttigieg is in the race now. I was very impressed with his DNC candidacy. I think he’s unlikely to win the primaries but I would hope/think he could impress as a potential cabinet member.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:37:52am

re: #40 Alephnaught

Fox News should get 0 out of 5 stars for credibility then.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:38:09am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is not having a good morning:

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good fucking grief

He’s all but literally screaming “ONLY IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIME, EVER”. Like the wall will literally destroy the very concept of crime because it’s something only scary brown folks do.

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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:41:39am

Good morning!

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A Mom Anon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:42:00am

re: #75 Citizen K

The White Collar Criminal’s version of “Look! Squirrel!!” . We really need to treat these fucking gasbag shitmuffins like the robber barons back in the day, only with a lot of prison time along with taxes and forfeiture of all assets. A girl can dream…

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:43:06am

re: #77 A Mom Anon

The White Collar Criminal’s version of “Look! Squirrel!!” . We really need to treat these fucking gasbag shitmuffins like the robber barons back in the day, only with a lot of prison time along with taxes and forfeiture of all assets. A girl can dream…

Except too much of the country agrees outright with the idea that crime is literally only ever a ‘brown’ thing. The utopian cure-all wall is so fully ingrained it seems like that we’ll never get enough of America to push back on it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:44:31am

re: #75 Citizen K

He’s all but literally screaming “ONLY IMMIGRANTS COMMIT CRIME, EVER”. Like the wall will literally destroy the very concept of crime because it’s something only scary brown folks do.

The worst thing is his cult believes it. They also think we think we’d get rid of all crime with harsher gun laws.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:46:02am

re: #78 Citizen K

Except too much of the country agrees outright with the idea that crime is literally only ever a ‘brown’ thing. The utopian cure-all wall is so fully ingrained it seems like that we’ll never get enough of America to push back on it.

I want to punch walls when I hear white pundits talking about “black on black” crime. Don’t see black pundits talking about white on white like with Paddock. White on white is just crime.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:51:52am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

They wouldn’t believe it without complicit media and almost non existent investigative reporting on what the bastards are doing while we fight over racist Kavanaugh Starter Kits and culture divides and purity tests.

I have always believed that the media should be just as much a target of protests and actions as our elected officials. We have been conditioned to think that these people, along with other assorted millionaires and billionaires work harder than we do and deserve more breaks than we do. Nothing is further from the truth (with some rare exceptions) than that bullshit prosperity gospel horseshit we’ve been spoon fed since I was a kid and earlier. It needs to go, but without media it’s much more difficult. The internet is not enough.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:52:24am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I want to punch walls when I hear white pundits talking about “black on black” crime. Don’t see black pundits talking about white on white like with Paddock. White on white is just crime.

Case in point here:

People literally think they have to fish for every single case of white-on-black violence, leaving off with the idea that only black-on-white is actually ever a thing, and thus black people just really love crime and violence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:52:28am
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terraincognita  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:54:29am

re: #76 jeffreyw

A convocation of cardinals. Will one ultimately show up in white?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:55:10am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:56:26am

re: #82 Citizen K

Case in point here:

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People literally think they have to fish for every single case of white-on-black violence, leaving off with the idea that only black-on-white is actually ever a thing, and thus black people just really love crime and violence.

Yep. And you know what? When Stephen Paddock shoots up a concert. When Dylann Roof shoots up a black congregation. When James Holmes shoots up a movie theater. When Adam Lanza executes 1st graders in cold blood. Ain’t no discussion on “white culture” and “where are the fathers?”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:57:32am

re: #81 A Mom Anon

They wouldn’t believe it without complicit media and almost non existent investative reporting on what the bastards are doing while we fight over racist Kavanaugh Starter Kits and culture divides and purity tests.

I have always believed that the media should be just as much a target of protests and actions as our elected officials. We have been conditioned to think that these people, along with other assorted millionaires and billionaires work harder than we do and deserve more breaks than we do. Nothing is further from the truth (with some rare exceptions) than that bullshit prosperity gospel horseshit we’ve been spoon fed since I was a kid and earlier. It needs to go, but without media it’s much more difficult. The internet is not enough.

The media definitely is part of the problem here.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:57:52am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

beep-beep!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:58:01am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

BUILD A WALL & CRIME WILL FALL! This is the new theme, for two years until the Wall is finished (under construction now), of the Republican Party. Use it and pray!

— Donald J. Trump

Very authentic, isn’t he? Kinda making things up on the fly.

“Hey, we need a theme, a meme…what can we use? We need a slogan. What will the magas love and donate to?”

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A Mom Anon  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:59:32am

re: #82 Citizen K

Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news. Instead of interviewing the next CEO of His Daddy’s Company, maybe our idiot media could talk a bit about our own history and why this shit matters in that context. But no, America doesn’t do introspection, because yeehaw. And meanwhile evil shit prevails.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 5:59:48am

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is not having a good morning:

good fucking grief

Old GOP: Free Labor, Free Soil, Free Men

New GOP: Build The Wall Crime Will Fall

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:00:14am

re: #90 A Mom Anon

Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news. Instead of interviewing the next CEO of His Daddy’s Company, maybe our idiot media could talk a bit about our own history and why this shit matters in that context. But no, America doesn’t do introspection, because yeehaw. And meanwhile evil shit prevails.

We are terrible at introspection. Terrible at it.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:00:44am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:00:48am
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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:01:13am

re: #90 A Mom Anon

Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news. Instead of interviewing the next CEO of His Daddy’s Company, maybe our idiot media could talk a bit about our own history and why this shit matters in that context. But no, America doesn’t do introspection, because yeehaw. And meanwhile evil shit prevails.

The only time he appears is to cast him as villain, as the devious, aggressive instigator that dared to get up in the face of a pure innocent white boy. and play a drum RIGHT IN HIS FACE, THE HORROR.

Oh, and apparently he’s not really a Vet and is a filthy lying brown person on top of it all, judging by the new trend.

Only pure white males can ever be heroes, thus everyone else must be the villains.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:01:57am

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:02:01am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh really Sarah. Your allies bashed children who survived a school shooting for wanting other schools not to have the same. Spare me your fauxrage.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:02:27am

re: #89 Sir John Barron

Very authentic, isn’t he? Kinda making things up on the fly.

“Hey, we need a theme, a meme…what can we use? We need a slogan. What will the magas love and donate to?”

Just IMO, when an Administration has to resort to rhyming doggerel slogans to try to sell some policy or other, it’s usually an tacit admission of serious FAIL.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:02:50am

re: #90 A Mom Anon

“Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news.”

The rightwing blogosphere has attacked his credibility so he hasn’t completely disappeared. If you can stomach David French’s latest yammerings, he goes after Mr. Phillips. The White students were always going to be the victims. I didn’t expect it to happen so quickly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:03:05am

re: #84 terraincognita

A convocation of cardinals. Will one ultimately show up in white?

That would be the Pope, then…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:03:44am

re: #95 Citizen K

The only time he appears is to cast him as villain, as the devious, aggressive instigator that dared to get up in the face of a pure innocent white boy. and play a drum RIGHT IN HIS FACE, THE HORROR.

Oh, and apparently he’s not really a Vet and is a filthy lying brown person on top of it all, judging by the new trend.

Only pure white males can ever be heroes, thus everyone else must be the villains.

He actually is a vet. Never was in Vietnam but he never claimed he was. I know wingnuts. If it was a white vet that was disrespected by kids of color, we’d hear that this is what’s wrong with their culture and liberals hate vets.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:03:46am

re: #30 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had to look it up - Hiram Ulysses Grant

He didn’t much like having H.U.G. as initials.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:04:15am
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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:05:03am

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

“Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news.”

The rightwing blogosphere has attacked his credibility so he hasn’t completely disappeared. If you can stomach David French’s latest yammerings, he goes after Mr. Phillips. The White students were always going to be the victims. I didn’t expect it to happen so quickly.

The speed in which this country will always by the white conservative line of thought is always too fast to catch up with. They always seem to win the narrative, not just because of how much louder they’re allowed to be, but how quickly our supposed guardians of the discourse will always take them at face value and discard and dismiss any other point of view immediately. They will always win because only they get to be the designated protagonists of the American Movie. They are forever the heroes, and we are forever the villains.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:05:04am

re: #99 Patricia Kayden

“Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news.”

The rightwing blogosphere has attacked his credibility so he hasn’t completely disappeared. If you can stomach David French’s latest yammerings, he goes after Mr. Phillips. The White students were always going to be the victims. I didn’t expect it to happen so quickly.

David French like the pig Buckley before him will always take a white person’s side and then he acts like he can’t be called racist because he adopted black kids.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:05:47am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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VB’s 800th Great Grandma I reckon.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:06:31am
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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:06:38am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

He actually is a vet. Never was in Vietnam but he never claimed he was. I know wingnuts. If it was a white vet that was disrespected by kids of color, we’d hear that this is what’s wrong with their culture and liberals hate vets.

It doesn’t matter though, someone said he was supposed to be Vietnam vet, therefore the die is eternally cast, he’s a dirty lying drum-playing instigator and that means MAGA kids are forever the heroes for shouting him down with ‘school chants’.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:06:43am

re: #90 A Mom Anon

Also notice how Nathan Phillips has almost totally disappeared from this conversation online and in the news. Instead of interviewing the next CEO of His Daddy’s Company, maybe our idiot media could talk a bit about our own history and why this shit matters in that context. But no, America doesn’t do introspection, because yeehaw. And meanwhile evil shit prevails.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:06:50am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

VB’s 800th Great Grandma I reckon.

The real reason they were not allowed to leave Babylon…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:07:16am

Oh and is Sarah aware of her own boss who pushed for the death penalty for children after they were absolved of a non capital crime.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:08:12am

re: #107 Dave In Austin

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Seriously or the Central Park Five.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:11:49am

Y’all know the name will be a problem…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:14:27am

re: #113 freetoken

Y’all know the name will be a problem…

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I think he’s the first ever openly gay person to seek a major party’s nomination. I like him. Was impressed with him in the DNC race but I think Cabinet may be Pete’s first destination. But still I think he’s a welcome addition.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:15:22am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

In an exclusive interview with NBC’s Savannah Guthrie, Nick Sandmann said he “had every right” to stand in front of Nathan Phillips, but now wishes he and his classmates “would have walked away and avoided the whole thing.”

And this highlights my point that I am less troubled by these youths than by the chaperones and the school administration that obviously condoned or even encouraged such behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:17:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:20:33am
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darthstar  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:21:17am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:23:50am

re: #117 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Ya know, I know and these farmers probably have different takes on issues but I’d hope that they’d find this stupid bragging exactly what it is, a little man trying to over compensate constantly.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:26:51am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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That’s funny, but my 13 year old will get it.

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:30:03am

Great response to Trump’s ‘Build the wall & crime will fall’ crap…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:31:17am
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jeffreyw  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:31:50am

re: #84 terraincognita

A convocation of cardinals. Will one ultimately show up in white?

I have always asserted that should be known as a college of cardinals. Alas, there is no smoke in the chimney.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:32:30am

re: #60 Patricia Kayden

Winning!!

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Now more than 16 points underwater in 538’s poll aggregate. projects.fivethirtyeight.com

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:33:30am

re: #121 darthstar

It’d still go over the heads of his know nothing base. They don’t care what Trump says. They believe it.

It’s a faith based cult.

Treat it accordingly.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:34:48am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Hopefully it will be over 60% by the spring.

Unlikely, unless Trump is stupid enough to keep the shutdown going much longer. It can only go so far until TSA agents have to quit their jobs en masse to make ends meet and air travel grinds to a halt.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:35:13am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Look at the responses to that tweet.

They’ve already solidified Nathan Phillips as a violent liar and the worst, most insidious instigator of all times. And it’s goddamn near unanimous there.

I fucking hate fucking everything.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:35:36am

re: #126 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unlikely, unless Trump is stupid enough to keep the shutdown going much longer. It can only go so far until TSA agents have to quit their jobs en masse to make ends meet and air travel grinds to a halt.

True

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:35:55am
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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:35:58am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And this highlights my point that I am less troubled by these youths than by the chaperones and the school administration that obviously condoned or even encouraged such behavior.

Were the students asked about how they (or others nearby) chanted “Build the Wall”?

Was that chant the extant of the taunting or were other things said?

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:37:28am

m.dailykos.com

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:38:23am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

google.com

Pete Buttigieg is in the race now. I was very impressed with his DNC candidacy. I think he’s unlikely to win the primaries but I would hope/think he could impress as a potential cabinet member.

I just got to talk to Andrew Yang on the radio. he is the son of Taiwanese immigrants running on the issue of a $1,000/month guaranteed income for every adult citizen. He obviously has virtually zero chance of winning the nomination, but I hope he can draw some attention to this important proposal, much like AOC has garnered a lot of favorable attention for the 70% marginal tax rate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:38:32am

re: #127 Citizen K

Look at the responses to that tweet.

They’ve already solidified Nathan Phillips as a violent liar and the worst, most insidious instigator of all times. And it’s goddamn near unanimous there.

I fucking hate fucking everything.

It gets to me at the double standards the right had for activists. They disparage activists and activism while literally speaking at rallies for their issue I.e Hyperbolic Verb Shapiro. I’m not saying these kids had no right to protest abortion but they weren’t kids on a school trip, they were in DC for political reasons and the MAGA hat is the icing on the cake. We weren’t allowed to wear hats in school even if on a school trip.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:39:44am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:40:48am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump’s up to his usual baffling BS in the wake of Rudy’s disastrous appearances.

First, there’s the reports that there are those inside and outside Trumpworld’s inner circle that want him gone. Some are claiming that Rudy was drunk when he was yakking away about tapes and making statements about Trump’s complicity and compromised situation.

It’s all excuses for an awful admin and criminal acts. The shutdown is affecting prosecutions and investigations across the nation, but it also includes the Trumpworld investigations. Trump claims the shutdown is meant to build a wall and improve security, but national security is directly and adversely affected by the shutdown as TSA is strained, FBI can’t investigate and pay informants, Coast Guard is told to do gofundmes to cover their bills, and Trump is lying nonstop about what the wall will do for safety (it wont decrease crime, wont stop flow of drugs, and then the most batcrap insane part is that he’s claiming that he’s already building the wall - which would completely undermine the need for a shutdown if that’s what was happening.

If he’s getting the wall built, then there’s no need for the shutdown. His base doesn’t care. The shutdown and the wall are deflections from the mess he’s making of the federal government - to the applause of the bigoted regressive atavistic base.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:40:55am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:42:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:43:33am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

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I learned it was about slavery here in Va. The white washed narrative is fairly new to our times. It’s not new more in that it’s a return and Kruse is great. I’m going to read some of his work when I get time.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:47:30am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Perhaps not coincidentally (National Pie Day) there was a very similar recipe for Chicken Pot Pie in our newspaper (yes, a physical newspaper) today.

Pies have been a staple of human cooking for millennia - this #Sumerian tablet, dated to c.1750 BC, gives the recipe for a pie filled with bird meat, leek, onion, garlic, rue, & milk, encased in a garlic & leek dough. Sounds quite nice, actually! #NationalPieDay

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5:24 AM - Jan 23, 2019

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:47:56am

It’s closed “officially” because of the weather & also because not enough TSA available to work for no pay.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:48:24am

Everyone in Trumpworld is damaged goods, part (lost count):

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:48:57am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:49:23am

re: #141 lawhawk

Everyone in Trumpworld is damaged goods, part (lost count):

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:49:30am

re: #130 Sir John Barron

Were the students asked about how they (or others nearby) chanted “Build the Wall”?

Was that chant the extant of the taunting or were other things said?

They also harassed women while in DC. In one clip they called a woman “slut”, and in another a kid said “its not rape if you like it.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:49:42am

re: #142 Patricia Kayden

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Seems that way.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:49:54am

re: #136 Backwoods_Sleuth

Actually, it’s every worse than that: God specifically leaves people alone when they screw things up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:50:05am

re: #144 NO SMOCKING GUN!

They also harassed women while in DC. In one clip they called a woman “slut”, and in another a kid said “its not rape if you like it.”

That one is definitely being ignored.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:50:27am

re: #140 The Vicious Babushka

The Super Bowl is going to be a shitshow because they can’t get enough TSA available in Atlanta region to handle crowd.

There are shortages in NYC metro area, and they’re calling on agents to deploy to NYC, particularly Newark Liberty, due to the increased wait times.

All of this has a measurable economic effect of dragging on the economy. None of this is good.

Trump’s trying extortion to get a wall, but is satisfying the GOP base by sabotaging functioning government.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:51:46am

re: #141 lawhawk

Lara Trump on federal workers without pay: It is a “bit of pain,” but “this is so much bigger than any one person”
— Madeleine Morris

But every crime victim involving an illegal immigrant should get center stage.

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:52:19am

THREAD responding to Marie Antoinette Trump

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:53:04am

re: #121 darthstar

Only trump could have a 7 word sentence and use only 7 syllables.

give him some credit: at least it is a complete and grammatically correct sentence without spelling errors

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:53:06am

I hadn’t picked up on this, but John Lewis Elijah Cummings now the chair of the Oversight Committee:

He’ll be a great mentor for that group, and there’s enough energy there to cover the entire government.

Edited: I got the name wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:54:52am

re: #152 Belafon

I hadn’t picked up on this, but John Lewis now the chair of the Oversight Committee:

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He’ll be a great mentor for that group, and there’s enough energy their to cover the entire government.

Excellent

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:55:02am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:56:26am

re: #152 Belafon

I hadn’t picked up on this, but John Lewis now the chair of the Oversight Committee:

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He’ll be a great mentor for that group, and there’s enough energy their to cover the entire government.

Pretty sure that Elijah Cummings is the chair of that committee

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:57:10am

re: #152 Belafon

I hadn’t picked up on this, but John Lewis now the chair of the Oversight Committee:

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He’ll be a great mentor for that group, and there’s enough energy their to cover the entire government.

There aren’t a lot of role models with his resume.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:58:39am

Currently sitting at T- 9:27, and about 10 minutes into a hold (not sure why, just tuned in)
They appear to expect to launch today

Blue Origin NS-10 Live Webcast

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 6:59:51am

re: #157 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Currently sitting at T- 9:27, and about 10 minutes into a hold (not sure why, just tuned in)
They appear to expect to launch today

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out of the hold and counting down, T-8:30

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darthstar  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:00:16am
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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:01:02am

re: #53 Patricia Kayden

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I thought those on the right LOVE cops.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:01:39am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure that Elijah Cummings is the chair of that committee

Wasn’t Cummings’ name over the Twitter announcement re the Oversight Committee?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:02:39am

If you’re wondering what to make for breakfast, watch this video:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:02:52am

re: #161 Jay C

Wasn’t Cummings’ name over the Twitter announcement re the Oversight Committee?

yep

also
oversight.house.gov

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:03:22am

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pretty sure that Elijah Cummings is the chair of that committee

GAAAAAH. I read Cummings and blew it. I have edited my comment. Doesn’t change the message though.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:04:00am

re: #107 Dave In Austin

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:04:03am

re: #161 Jay C

Wasn’t Cummings’ name over the Twitter announcement re the Oversight Committee?

I think both are right. Cummings is gonna be chair of Oversight and Government Reform while Lewis will chair a subcommittee called oversight within Ways and Means.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:04:29am

re: #164 Belafon

GAAAAAH. I read Cummings and blew it. I have edited my comment. Doesn’t change the message though.

You actually weren’t that off. See my comment.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:07:06am

re: #165 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yep, and even if it hadn’t happened, lets think about when someone attempted to SWAT Hogg. That kid’s treatment doesn’t come close to what has gone on before.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:13:40am

Plummeting back toward the surface now

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:15:04am

re: #168 Belafon

Yep, and even if it hadn’t happened, lets think about when someone attempted to SWAT Hogg. That kid’s treatment doesn’t come close to what has gone on before.

Lets not forget the absolute difference in actual situation. One was a fucking mass murder situation, in an enclosed school setting.

The other was a heckling by a far smaller group, in an open, public area where several protests/demonstrations were converging. And yet we have people actually, glowingly, comparing this fucking kid to David Hogg?

Words fucking fail.

EDIT:

Best summed up here:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:16:42am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Plummeting back toward the surface now

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Booster on the deck.
Pretty awesome video of it maneuvering back to the landing pad

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:17:04am

re: #170 Citizen K

Lets not forget the absolute difference in actual situation. One was a fucking mass murder situation, in an enclosed school setting.

The other was a heckling by a far smaller group, in an open, public area where several protests/demonstrations were converging. And yet we have people actually, glowingly, comparing this fucking kid to David Hogg?

Words fucking fail.

David Hogg who right wing media demonized for speaking out after someone tried to kill him and his classmates….

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:17:56am

I see the advance image rehab for Mitch has already begun. Gee what convenient timing.

Mitch McConnell Got Everything He Wanted. But at What Cost? (NYT Sunday Magazine)

“I’ve been in the meetings,” McConnell, dressed in a pinstripe suit and a banker collar, said. “It’s just that I don’t have the votes that can consummate the deal.” Those votes could come only at the behest of Trump or the new House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, he insisted — and, McConnell continued, “it seems to me the principals, the only people who can make this deal, as of the moment we’re having this discussion, seem to both think they have a winning hand.”

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:19:26am

re: #173 Myron Falwell

I see the advance image rehab for Mitch has already begun. Gee what convenient timing.

Mitch McConnell Got Everything He Wanted. But at What Cost? (NYT Sunday Magazine)

And by the usual suspects too.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:21:03am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Plummeting back toward the surface now

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It was a great show! Did you see that President Moron thought NASA could get to Mars by 2020 to give him an election year win?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:21:12am

re: #171 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Booster on the deck.
Pretty awesome video of it maneuvering back to the landing pad

Capsule down. Probably the best video of it’s landing yet.
I wonder if they’ll ever attempt a maneuverable parachute system to land it in a smaller designated area

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:22:15am

re: #162 The Vicious Babushka

If you’re wondering what to make for breakfast, watch this video:

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If that doesn’t do it for you, try this one:

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:23:05am

re: #173 Myron Falwell

I see the advance image rehab for Mitch has already begun. Gee what convenient timing.

Mitch McConnell Got Everything He Wanted. But at What Cost? (NYT Sunday Magazine)

Ah, Straight Shooter Mitch, just balancing the extremes of Left and Right, trying to do the Right Thing.

/

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:25:44am

re: #174 Citizen K

And by the usual suspects too.

It makes sense to run this now if he’s assured a loss tomorrow morning. Play him as a victim of Trump who wants to destroy everything he holds near and dear to himself, ie, a functional government (in reality, one Mitch can commander on his own terms).

That aforementioned quote of only putting up a vote on something Trump will sign is very notable, because putting up a “clean” CR vote after voting on the Stephen Miller Dumpster Fire Disguised As A Trump Deal goes against this whole notion entirely.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:31:49am

re: #179 Myron Falwell

That aforementioned quote of only putting up a vote on something Trump will sign is very notable, because putting up a “clean” CR vote after voting on the Stephen Miller Dumpster Fire Disguised As A Trump Deal goes against this whole notion entirely.

Yeah, about that—

The Republican-controlled Senate — the world’s most overrated deliberative body — will not deliberate about, much less pass, legislation the president does not favor. The evident theory is that it would be lèse-majesté for the Senate to express independent judgments.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:31:53am

erere: #150 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD responding to Marie Antoinette Trump

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I LOVE this gif from that thread. Hitch was one twisted dude.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:33:17am

re: #173 Myron Falwell

I see the advance image rehab for Mitch has already begun. Gee what convenient timing.

“I’ve been in the meetings,” McConnell, dressed in a pinstripe suit and a banker collar, said. “It’s just that I don’t have the votes that can consummate the deal.” Those votes could come only at the behest of Trump or the new House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, he insisted — and, McConnell continued, “it seems to me the principals, the only people who can make this deal, as of the moment we’re having this discussion, seem to both think they have a winning hand.”

The Dems do have a winning hand. And the image rehab is not working. Even with the snazzy dressing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:33:45am

re: #175 NO SMOCKING GUN!

It was a great show! Did you see that President Moron thought NASA could get to Mars by 2020 to give him an election year win?

Believe it was the booster’s 4th flight.
But yeah, I bet there’s a better chance of Blue Origin of flying a human passenger before NASA gets the SLS/Orion to Mars. Hell, currently the earliest planned launch if June 2020, and that’s an unmanned capsule to orbit the Moon
Image: em1-mission-map_update.jpg

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:35:40am

re: #183 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Believe it was the booster’s 4th flight.
But yeah, I bet there’s a better chance of Blue Origin of flying a human passenger before NASA gets the SLS/Orion to Mars. Hell, currently the earliest planned launch if June 2020, and that’s an unmanned capsule to orbit the Moon
Image: em1-mission-map_update.jpg

I vote we send a rocket in 2020. With Trump as the human passenger.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:35:51am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:38:42am

re: #182 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The Dems do have a winning hand. And the image rehab is not working. Even with the snazzy dressing.

Yep, this is the narrative of someone trying to spin an upcoming defeat as a victim, who is seeing his legacy of senatorial procedures ratfucking and stonewalling getting railroaded by Trump.

The difference between Trump and Mitch is that Trump never looked at a single page of Robert’s Rule of Order and just pounds his table in anger.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:44:54am

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Hopefully it will be over 60% by the spring.

And, by spring, I hope you mean Groundhog Day.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:50:11am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:52:18am

re: #188 makeitstop

Or right wingers who had no problem blaming Tamir Rice for his death at hands of police.

Or Michael Brown.

Or any other black kid/teen murdered by cops under suspicious circumstances. It was always the fault of the kid that cops treated them like they were the fictional Black Lightning with superpowers that could only be addressed with deadly force.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:55:56am

re: #189 lawhawk

Or right wingers who had no problem blaming Tamir Rice for his death at hands of police.

Or Michael Brown.

Or any other black kid/teen murdered by cops under suspicious circumstances. It was always the fault of the kid that cops treated them like they were the fictional Black Lightning with superpowers that could only be addressed with deadly force.

Yep. I don’t condone death threats toward the Covington kids but gimme a break with this shit.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 7:59:38am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Yeah, about that—

Which makes the order of votes tomorrow even more perplexing. Why give the clean CR a vote after the Trump CR? That’s handing his own senators a way out of this when the Trump CR collapses and/or fails to meet cloture.

Moreover, he gave any/all Democrat senators justification to vote against the Trump CR right off the bat.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:01:51am

This is cool. Probably way better if you were there in person.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:02:35am

OK
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:03:58am
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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:04:58am

re: #190 HappyWarrior

Yep. I don’t condone death threats toward the Covington kids but gimme a break with this shit.

My understanding is limited, but I believe the church’s teachings say that confirmation takes place when the kid is old enough to speak for him or her self, instead of parents doing it for them at Baptism. Therefore, those catholic boys are old enough to take responsibility for ruining their own lives, if that is what happened. They are also old enough to take responsibility for any sins they committed (I hope some of their behavior qualifies as ‘sinful’), and perform an act of contrition.

Too much to expect.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:06:05am

re: #193 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

If by “realignment” he means pro-fascist vs. anti-fascist… well, then so be it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:06:07am

re: #194 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Glad they caught the guy. Now put him away for a long time.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:09:11am

re: #193 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

OK
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I liked his DNC run but I think Cabinet is his most likely his future.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:09:31am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is cool. Probably way better if you were there in person.

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It’s Istanbul, where were the kitties?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:09:35am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is cool. Probably way better if you were there in person.

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Had a very good night in the Galata Tower, long after it stopped being a Turkish prison. We were entertained by “The Turkish Michael Jackson”, a lounge lizard of the first order.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:09:42am

re: #191 Myron Falwell

Which makes the order of votes tomorrow even more perplexing. Why give the clean CR a vote after the Trump CR? That’s handing his own senators a way out of this when the Trump CR collapses and/or fails to meet cloture.

Moreover, he gave any/all Democrat senators justification to vote against the Trump CR right off the bat.

The ultimate goal is to have a campaign issue to run on. They’re starting to get hammered on the shutdown, but they have to make Democrats look bad. So, force a vote on the item that won’t pass, watch it fail, and then pass the measure that will.

1. Watch for the Republicans that vote for both. Those are the opportunists that really should be targeted by Democrats.
2. Watch Coulter and Rush scream.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:09:56am

re: #195 wrenchwench

My understanding is limited, but I believe the church’s teachings say that confirmation takes place when the kid is old enough to speak for him or her self, instead of parents doing it for them at Baptism. Therefore, those catholic boys are old enough to take responsibility for ruining their own lives, if that is what happened. They are also old enough to take responsibility for any sins they committed (I hope some of their behavior qualifies as ‘sinful’), and perform an act of contrition.

Too much to expect.

I think that is right.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:13:42am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:15:01am

re: #203 jaunte

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And so it begins :D

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:16:26am

re: #203 jaunte

[ “a wide-ranging investigation” into Trump White House and transition team handling of security clearance process.]

Sounds like a big job. Huge.

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:17:42am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I liked his DNC run but I think Cabinet is his most likely his future.

I read that and immediately went old school. :)

RUN-DMC - It’s Tricky (Video)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:18:20am

re: #201 Belafon

The ultimate goal is to have a campaign issue to run on.

Although that’s not for another two years.

Build The Wall Crime Will Fall! Build The Wall Crime Fall Away No More Crime!

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:18:40am

re: #204 Myron Falwell

And so it begins :D

“Suddenly, the Trump administration authorizes demolition and reconstruction of all roads surrounding Congress, using unpaid workers.”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:19:26am

re: #203 jaunte

“Total witch-hunt, Worst witch hunt ever. What about her emails and Clinton Foundation and Lynch tarmac meeting and DNC emails pizza parlor?”

/

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:19:28am

“Make A Rhyme, and Do No Time”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:21:29am

re: #205 wrenchwench

Sounds like a big job. Huge.

Don’t you mean YUUUUUUUGE?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:22:25am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I liked his DNC run but I think Cabinet is his most likely his future.

As Matt Yglesias said, we really need good candidates to run for Senate in tough red states like Indiana, rather than more than a dozen presidential candidates, especially a 37 year old small town mayor with very long odds.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:22:44am

But even if the Senate votes for the clean CR, isn’t there a high chance Trump vetoes it?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:23:21am

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

But even if the Senate votes for the clean CR, isn’t there a high chance Trump vetoes it?

I thought McConnell is only going for a two week CR?

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:23:56am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

Don’t you mean YUUUUUUUGE?

I’ve had a tendency to see everything as ‘the beginning of the end’, since that last presidential election we had. Maybe this time…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:24:01am

re: #214 freetoken

I thought McConnell is only going for a two week CR?

That would still theoretically be a clean CR (clean as in no stupid wall demands tied to it)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:24:45am

re: #212 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As Matt Yglesias said, we really need good candidates to run for Senate in tough red states like Indiana, rather than more than a dozen presidential candidates, especially a 37 year old small town mayor with very long odds.

He probably thinks he has better odds of winning the nomination than winning a Senate seat from his own state.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:26:20am

re: #210 jaunte

“Make A Rhyme, and Do No Time”

“END THE SLUMP: FIRE TRUMP!!”

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:26:32am

re: #216 Eclectic Cyborg

That would still theoretically be a clean CR (clean as in no stupid wall demands tied to it)

But two weeks later everyone is in the same boat.

The only reason to do 2 weeks is for the employees to get back pay.

But then Trump can boast about caring for the employees so that is why he signs the short term CR.

It just strikes me that Schumer is just to willing to give Republicans cover. True, he’s in a weaker position than Pelosi.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:28:07am

re: #212 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As Matt Yglesias said, we really need good candidates to run for Senate in tough red states like Indiana, rather than more than a dozen presidential candidates, especially a 37 year old small town mayor with very long odds.

I agree.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:30:10am

re: #220 HappyWarrior

I doubt Buttigieg could ever be elected as a Senator from IN.

But on a national stage running for President, he can expose the anti-gay bigots. And we all know they are going to show up.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:30:35am

re: #217 Sir John Barron

He probably thinks he has better odds of winning the nomination than winning a Senate seat from his own state.

Indiana also doesn’t have a Senate election this year. This in fact could be an audition for running for the Senate in 2022.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:30:45am

The two week repreive might ultimately be more damaging in the long run. Start everything up again just to shut it back down as soon as things start to come under control? That’s a seriously fucked up roller coaster to be riding.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:30:51am

re: #213 Eclectic Cyborg

But even if the Senate votes for the clean CR, isn’t there a high chance Trump vetoes it?

If Belafon’s thoughts are correct here:

re: #201 Belafon

The ultimate goal is to have a campaign issue to run on. They’re starting to get hammered on the shutdown, but they have to make Democrats look bad. So, force a vote on the item that won’t pass, watch it fail, and then pass the measure that will.

…then that means there may be enough to override a veto and force Trump’s tiny hand. Otherwise it’s a gambit that will risk backfiring on them.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:31:49am

re: #221 freetoken

I doubt Buttigieg could ever be elected as a Senator from IN.

But on a national stage running for President, he can expose the anti-gay bigots. And we all know they are going to show up.

Yep. He’s a vet too. In a time where Trump is banning transgender service members, having an openly gay vet in a national race isn’t a bad thing.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:32:15am

re: #214 freetoken

I thought McConnell is only going for a two week CR?

Might take 3 weeks to get one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:35:15am

re: #159 darthstar

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Is it just me or does the Moscow Trump Tower look just like the Duncan Enterprises building in Irwin Allen’s Towering Inferno?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:35:42am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

The two week repreive might ultimately be more damaging in the long run. Start everything up again just to shut it back down as soon as things start to come under control? That’s a seriously fucked up roller coaster to be riding.

The window for a quick return to functional government is closing. A few more weeks of shutdown will make back-to-work a long process. Things like the number of workers with retirement eligibility and RL dynamics like child care disruption will cause delays.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:35:50am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

I liked his DNC run but I think Cabinet is his most likely his future.

re: #212 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As Matt Yglesias said, we really need good candidates to run for Senate in tough red states like Indiana, rather than more than a dozen presidential candidates, especially a 37 year old small town mayor with very long odds.

No Senate elections in Indiana until 2022. He should probably try flipping IN-2

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:36:24am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

The two week repreive might ultimately be more damaging in the long run. Start everything up again just to shut it back down as soon as things start to come under control? That’s a seriously fucked up roller coaster to be riding.

It absolutely weakens the GOP’s position on this. Do they want to do this again for a vanity project that would have already been rejected in their own chamber? Or do they go the path of least resistance and just pass another clean CR?

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ipsos  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:36:25am

re: #219 freetoken

It just strikes me that Schumer is just to willing to give Republicans cover. True, he’s in a weaker position than Pelosi.

What would you have him do differently/better? I think he’s got himself in as good a position as possible with only 47 votes.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:37:50am

re: #229 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No Senate elections in Indiana until 2022. He should probably try flipping IN-2

Ah there we go.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:38:12am

re: #229 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

No Senate elections in Indiana until 2022. He should probably try flipping IN-2

Careful with the caviar dreams of knocking off Republicans in red states. Not saying it can’t happen, but even as horrible as Trump is, some of these places will remain GOP strongholds for years (and possibly decades) to come.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:38:41am

re: #219 freetoken

But two weeks later everyone is in the same boat.

The only reason to do 2 weeks is for the employees to get back pay.

But then Trump can boast about caring for the employees so that is why he signs the short term CR.

It just strikes me that Schumer is just to willing to give Republicans cover. True, he’s in a weaker position than Pelosi.

Trump is the only one possible who could fuck up a sure-fire image rehab effort like this.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:38:54am

re: #231 ipsos

What would you have him do differently/better? I think he’s got himself in as good a position as possible with only 47 votes.

“Sometimes nothing can be a real cool hand.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:39:05am

re: #231 ipsos

What would you have him do differently/better? I think he’s got himself in as good a position as possible with only 47 votes.

The big question is could he convince 20 Republicans to vote against Trump to override a veto?

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:39:27am

re: #219 freetoken

But two weeks later everyone is in the same boat.

The only reason to do 2 weeks is for the employees to get back pay.

But then Trump can boast about caring for the employees so that is why he signs the short term CR.

It just strikes me that Schumer is just to willing to give Republicans cover. True, he’s in a weaker position than Pelosi.

Then Trump can boast about signing a bill that doesn’t contain a wall after McConnell proves that no wall bill will get through Congress. Wait, what?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:39:48am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

Careful with the caviar dreams of knocking off Republicans in red states. Not saying it can’t happen, but even as horrible as Trump is, some of these places will remain GOP strongholds for years (and possibly decades) to come.

Yeah but I think there is something to too many chefs in the Presidential primary kitchen.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:40:08am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

Yeah but I think there is something to too many chefs in the Presidential primary kitchen.

Agreed.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:40:18am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

Careful with the caviar dreams of knocking off Republicans in red states. Not saying it can’t happen, but even as horrible as Trump is, some of these places will remain GOP strongholds for years (and possibly decades) to come.

Think Beto vs. Cruz, with Cruz being the least liked Republican in Texas and Beto running an amazing campaign.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:40:37am

re: #237 Belafon

Then Trump can boast about signing a bill that doesn’t contain a wall after McConnell proves that no wall bill will get through Congress. Wait, what?

Exactly. Ending the shutdown having gained effectively nothing will be a serious ego blow to Trump and his base will pillory him for it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:41:07am

re: #240 Belafon

Think Beto vs. Cruz, with Cruz being the least liked Republican in Texas and Beto running an amazing campaign.

But isn’t this pretty close to what actually happened and Cruz still handily won?

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:41:41am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:41:52am

re: #239 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed.

I mean. A) it gets overwhelming and B) I agree that some of these longer shots might be better served running for other offices. That said, he’s in and I have him in my Tier 2.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:42:46am

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

The big question is could he convince 20 Republicans to vote against Trump to override a veto?

There may be more than enough craven GOP senators willing to vote for both measures.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:42:58am

re: #237 Belafon

Then Trump can boast about signing a bill that doesn’t contain a wall after McConnell proves that no wall bill will get through Congress. Wait, what?

But “the wall” is only a gimmick, that can be replayed again and again.

So Trump can say he wants to be the good guy and not hurt the employees… but then turn right around and go all-wall in every tweet for two weeks, and his followers will be right there with him.

Trump doesn’t strategize beyond his impulses. He’s not going to worry about the long run, he doesn’t really care about the Senate Republicans or anything other than himself being adulated.

Anything that Trump does he will boast about. Anything.

The goal of Schumer ought to be to get McConnell to open up and do CRs for all of FY19.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:43:07am

re: #233 Eclectic Cyborg

Careful with the caviar dreams of knocking off Republicans in red states. Not saying it can’t happen, but even as horrible as Trump is, some of these places will remain GOP strongholds for years (and possibly decades) to come.

No, you’re right. the gerrymandered districts in 2012 do make flipping the IN-2 a challenge.
But, he probably has a better chance at that, than picking up 1-2% in the Dem 2020 gaggle

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:43:25am

re: #224 Myron Falwell

If Belafon’s thoughts are correct here:

…then that means there may be enough to override a veto and force Trump’s tiny hand. Otherwise it’s a gambit that will risk backfiring on them.

Who controls the Senate right now? This can still be put on McConnell as long as us Democrats don’t run around blaming Schumer.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:44:07am

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

But isn’t this pretty close to what actually happened and Cruz still handily won?

Sorry, that’s what I was implying. Beto was great, Cruz was disliked, and yet Cruz still won because Texas is still in the red category.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:44:39am

re: #249 Belafon

Sorry, that’s what I was implying. Beto was great, Cruz was disliked, and yet Cruz still won because Texas is still in the red category.

Lol, okay. Had me confused for a moment there.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:44:47am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

The two week repreive might ultimately be more damaging in the long run. Start everything up again just to shut it back down as soon as things start to come under control? That’s a seriously fucked up roller coaster to be riding.

Theoretically that may be true — but let the workers get their pay for now — and then let’s see if a deal can be struck. These people need money today — they cannot wait for 2 months or however long this nonsense will continue.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:45:44am

re: #251 Hecuba’s daughter

Theoretically that may be true — but let the workers get their pay for now — and then let’s see if a deal can be struck. These people need money today — they cannot wait for 2 months or however long this nonsense will continue.

But do you think Trump will give a shit? I’m telling you the man is probably willing to take this to lengths far beyond what any reasonable person would. He really is the wild card here.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:47:58am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:50:47am

re: #237 Belafon

Then Trump can boast about signing a bill that doesn’t contain a wall after McConnell proves that no wall bill will get through Congress. Wait, what?

Trump’s not going to sign this. And the senate knows it, probably consigning themselves to the likelihood of a veto override… knowing that if they don’t, a large chunk of fecal matter will collide with an oscillating device.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:53:56am

re: #248 Belafon

Who controls the Senate right now? This can still be put on McConnell as long as us Democrats don’t run around blaming Schumer.

I meant backfiring on the senate GOP and Mitch for fucking themselves out of a simple exit strategy.

There’s no way I’d blame Schumer at all, and no one really should. If anyone looks to be capitulating, it’s Mitch.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:55:18am

re: #255 Myron Falwell

I meant backfiring on the senate GOP and Mitch for fucking themselves out of a simple exit strategy.

There’s no way I’d blame Schumer at all, and no one really should. If anyone looks to be capitulating, it’s Mitch.

Right, and don’t think for a second Trump won’t leave Mcconnel twisting in the wind if it suits him to do so.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:57:50am

Breakfast today

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 8:58:15am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, and don’t think for a second Trump won’t leave Mcconnel twisting in the wind if it suits him to do so.

Agree.

McConnel was just a front man for the real problem, Trump.

Trump will be fine with Mitch getting egg on his face.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:00:46am

re: #255 Myron Falwell

I meant backfiring on the senate GOP and Mitch for fucking themselves out of a simple exit strategy.

There’s no way I’d blame Schumer at all, and no one really should. If anyone looks to be capitulating, it’s Mitch.

I know, but I’m seeing all sorts of statements here going “Why isn’t Schumer getting McConnell to cave?” That’s close to blaming Schumer for the failure and not McConnell for not doing the job he’s supposed to do.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:01:31am

re: #258 freetoken

Agree.

McConnel was just a front man for the real problem, Trump.

Trump will be fine with Mitch getting egg on his face.

And, if we can keep the pressure on McConnell, maybe Trump will make him angry.

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Jay C  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:01:56am

re: #254 Myron Falwell

Trump’s not going to sign this. And the senate knows it, probably consigning themselves to the likelihood of a veto override… knowing that if they don’t, a large chunk of fecal matter will collide with an oscillating device.

This.
Trump (the “GOP’s” President) has put Congressional Republicans in a serious bind: I think Mitch McConnell - for all his harrumphing - has been trying (for weeks) to cobble together some - any - sort of deal that will reopen the government, and yet still not look like a “defeat” for the Orange Anus. But thanks to Preznit Donnie’s Wall Or Nothing intransigence, and the concomitant FAIL of the WH’s PR campaign to shift the blame for the shutdown, they’re backed they’ve backed themselves into a corner.
Which I would normally sneer at with a “tough shit!” comment, except that the stakes here are too high and very real.

re: #236 Eclectic Cyborg

The big question is could he convince 20 Republicans to vote against Trump to override a veto?

That’s up to McConnell, not Schumer. And I wouldn’t be surprised to eventually find out that he (MItch) was doing this very thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:04:10am

I will say, the tweet storm that would inevitably follow a veto override would be quite something to see.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:05:34am

THREAD

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:06:52am

re: #254 Myron Falwell

Trump’s not going to sign this. And the senate knows it, probably consigning themselves to the likelihood of a veto override… knowing that if they don’t, a large chunk of fecal matter will collide with an oscillating device.

Unless they get Democrats to cave, there is no outcome that helps the GOP. Trump signs it, he didn’t get his wall. McConnell overrides it, Trump will have to blow up a few things to be relevant again.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:09:29am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I will say, the tweet storm that would inevitably follow a veto override would be quite something to see.

Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter’s real-time freak-outs will be extra delicious.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:11:17am

re: #264 Belafon

Unless they get Democrats to cave, there is no outcome that helps the GOP. Trump signs it, he didn’t get his wall. McConnell overrides it, Trump will have to blow up a few things to be relevant again.

Oh hell, I didn’t even think about that.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:11:43am

re: #256 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, and don’t think for a second Trump won’t leave Mcconnel twisting in the wind if it suits him to do so.

If McConnell were as Machiavellian and power hungry as everyone says he is, he’d have shivved Trump by now on this. That remains the part I don’t understand.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:12:50am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:17:11am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:18:49am

re: #264 Belafon

Unless they get Democrats to cave, there is no outcome that helps the GOP. Trump signs it, he didn’t get his wall. McConnell overrides it, Trump will have to blow up a few things to be relevant again.

Not sure if you mean “blow up” in the literal or figurative sense… but other than trying to invade Iran (which, I’m not sure even has marginal support within the GOP at this point), I’m not sure there’s much he could literally blow up.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:18:59am

Trumpers already on it:

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:19:00am

re: #259 Belafon

I know, but I’m seeing all sorts of statements here going “Why isn’t Schumer getting McConnell to cave?” That’s close to blaming Schumer for the failure and not McConnell for not doing the job he’s supposed to do.

McConnell has caved. Schumer threw him a lifeline yesterday by saying they had a deal to vote on both proposals and McConnell’s people shit all over it by saying there was no deal and that they were just voting. The truth is that McConnell’s people were right, there is no deal, because what comes up for a vote is totally up to McConnell and if he brings the clean CR up for a vote after Trump’s bill fails then that’s a totally optional own goal with no good outcome for Trump or the GOP. Either the Republican Senators repudiate and are disloyal to Trump or they solidify their co-ownership of the shutdown with him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:19:25am

re: #269 jaunte

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Yeah. Of course they scoffed at it. I’m not a big fan of populism but this kind of mindset is exactly why populism is a thing. There’s more of us than there are of them (billionaires). We are why you are rich.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:20:35am

re: #271 freetoken

Trumpers already on it:

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Dick Armey was the one who brought attention to himself with the Barney “Fag” joke. Just putting that out there.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:21:11am

re: #271 freetoken

Trumpers already on it:

Their president’s last name was a verb long before he came along.

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CongoJack  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:21:31am

re: #271 freetoken

Trumpers already on it:

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1. Nice numbers at the end of that twitter handle comrade
2. Oh look, 666, sign of the beast etc etc.

I don’t know how you all have facebook and twitter… if I was involved in either of those platforms I’d be busy all day yelling at people.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:24:48am

re: #269 jaunte

I sort of wonder what the actual taxable income is for a lot of billionaires. I would think that most of their billions are not liquid - it’s likely tied up in real estate or stocks or personal property. That’s likely true of most millionaires as well. So I wonder how many of them would even be touched by AOC’s proposal, especially if the vast majority of their income was long term capital gains rather than wages.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:25:21am

re: #271 freetoken

Trumpers already on it:

“I’ve been thinking long and hard about becoming a Republican, and I think this MAGA tweet has just about convinced me it’s time to join.”

//

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:25:51am
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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:25:58am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Of course they scoffed at it. I’m not a big fan of populism but this kind of mindset is exactly why populism is a thing. There’s more of us than there are of them (billionaires). We are why you are rich.

Davos always reminds me of the Bucket Regatta. The participants, who come to race their minimum 30.5 meter yachts, (about $1 million per meter) are generously contributing some supplies, and selling race posters to help the people of St. Barths recover after a hurricane.

bucketregatta.com

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gwangung  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:27:25am

re: #277 KGxvi

I sort of wonder what the actual taxable income is for a lot of billionaires. I would think that most of their billions are not liquid - it’s likely tied up in real estate or stocks or personal property. That’s likely true of most millionaires as well. So I wonder how many of them would even be touched by AOC’s proposal, especially if the vast majority of their income was long term capital gains rather than wages.

In my work, I note that a lot of high network individuals get very low interest loans, using their assets as collateral. That’s how they consume. And since they’re low interest loans, they can use them for investments that bring returns that easily beat the interest, so they can pay back the loans and come out ahead.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:27:27am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:27:50am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

Yeah, no.

The one good thing Trump is doing is bring back to the fore the fact that the president doesn’t run Congress.

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:28:21am

re: #271 freetoken

Wait, are there people who think the mayor of a city with just over 100k people is going to have any sort of legitimate shot at winning a national campaign?

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gwangung  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:28:28am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

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Gonna be outside, and him bringing his own equipment.

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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:29:36am

re: #254 Myron Falwell

Trump’s not going to sign this. And the senate knows it, probably consigning themselves to the likelihood of a veto override… knowing that if they don’t, a large chunk of fecal matter will collide with an oscillating device.

I’m not so sure. I don’t know what Trump will or won’t sign. Trump doesn’t know what he will or won’t sign. The only way to find out is to send him something.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:30:08am

re: #285 gwangung

Gonna be outside, and him bringing his own equipment.

Holding up a boombox blaring “In Your Eyes”

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:30:10am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

Do you think he’ll just have his praetorian guard break into the House chamber?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:30:32am

You knew it was going to happen: #Booty2020

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gwangung  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:30:55am

Heh.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:30:57am

re: #221 freetoken

I doubt Buttigieg could ever be elected as a Senator from IN.

But on a national stage running for President, he can expose the anti-gay bigots. And we all know they are going to show up.

Yeah, like with Beto, might be some argument to go national rather than local.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:32:06am

As for the mayor, in 2016, there were actually something like 25 Republican candidates. Neither party is going to put up all the candidates, only the really serious ones.

Now, I don’t know enough about this mayor. Is he a Berniebro?

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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:35:05am

So, this promo occurred on WWE Smackdown last night:

A little back story: Daniel Bryan was a long time fan favorite, he was forced to retire due to concussion issues a couple years ago. Then he was medically cleared and was probably the biggest thing in wrestling since, I don’t even know. He turned heel when he won the championship by kicking his opponent in the nuts. Since then, he’s been running a holier-than-thou gimmick where he talks about how he’s better than everyone else, especially fans, because he’s vegan and environmentally conscious and blah blah blah. A week or two ago he was on commentary and said he hopes his young daughter grows up to kick hundreds or thousands of men in the junk.

This might turn into a 21st century version of Stone Cold Steve Austin, who became a fan favorite despite (or because of) being an anti-authority heel back in the 90s.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:37:01am

re: #3 KGxvi

Interesting piece over at The Ringer about the potential future of football. I didn’t realize that in the early 20th century most California universities and high schools dropped gridiron football for rugby football. But the thing that I thought a lot of people around here would get a kick out of is this line:

The “she” is an activist for youth-sports safety named Kimberly Archie. Archie was a Young Republicans president in college and campaigned for Sonny Bono when he ran for Congress.

There’s a lot there as well about how football is shaped by culture or vice versa. Worth the read, I think, because I think it taps into something wider in our current cultural divide.

Interesting article.
My HS programs philosophy teaches how to play tackle football by teaching rugby. It places an emphasis on removing the head from contact. Building positive habits early will be the key for reduction in head trauma from those who play in College or professionally. If you have ever seen a defensive player in the NFL get penalized/fined and complain that there was nothing that they could do to change how the contact took place, it is because those players are basically going on instinct and training from when they were younger. We are changing the training, to change the instinctual reactions to be more positive. I also control our youth and Middle school programs. We are Flag Football only up until 12 years old(6th Grade) Tackle is offered for 6th-8th grade, but we also offer Flag for those grades, and some players do not start tackle until High School, but can stay attached to playing for our program.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:38:06am

re: #293 KGxvi

Is he popular? Consider, as we say, wrestling is a show where stunt men get to do their own acting, he sure sounds like he’s playing the “lefty” just waiting to be crushed.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:39:11am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:39:57am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:41:46am

re: #295 Belafon

Is he popular? Consider, as we say, wrestling is a show where stunt men get to do their own acting, he sure sounds like he’s playing the “lefty” just waiting to be crushed.

He’s still a darling of the “smarks” but the crowds have been booing him pretty solidly lately. That doesn’t mean he isn’t popular - a lot of fans will still boo wrestlers they like out of respect for the heel work they are doing. The guy he’s going against - AJ Styles (who is the dude in the ring) - is also super popular with fans across the spectrum. He’s only been using this gimmick for the last couple of months, so it’s tough to say where it’s going from here.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:42:30am

re: #277 KGxvi

I sort of wonder what the actual taxable income is for a lot of billionaires. I would think that most of their billions are not liquid - it’s likely tied up in real estate or stocks or personal property. That’s likely true of most millionaires as well. So I wonder how many of them would even be touched by AOC’s proposal, especially if the vast majority of their income was long term capital gains rather than wages.

More than a few billionaires made their money in the stock market, so their income is largely coming in the form of dividends and reinvestments, or capital gains on sale of stock. Long term cap gains are taxed at 15%, far lower than the top tax rate. A billionaire could take no income from his job and still rake in quite the income via stock sales and be taxed at a lower rate than anyone in the middle class.

People whose wealth is in real estate get to take advantage of provisions like depreciation and amortization, further reducing their income. But they don’t have the liquid wealth as with those who make money via stock.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:42:34am

re: #279 The Vicious Babushka

Trump has sent another Very Trumpy letter to Pelosi, this one declaring that he is doing a traditional State of the Union in the House chamber as originally proposed. It is not clear that Pelosi’s Democrats will pass the necessary resolution to let him do that.

He does not really get this concept of Separation of Powers, does he?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:42:55am

re: #283 Belafon

Yeah, no.

The one good thing Trump is doing is bring back to the fore the fact that the president doesn’t run Congress.

He did until he lost them the 2018 midterms

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:47:46am

re: #301 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He did until he lost them the 2018 midterms

And even then, all he managed was his tax scam. He didn’t bother with infrastructure, immigration, or any other of his pet peeves with government. They failed at governing because that’s not what the GOP wants to do. They want to dismantle government, and even there they can’t quite figure out what to do or how to do it.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:49:41am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He does not really get this concept of Separation of Powers, does he?

That’s only for non-MAGA mortals.

/

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:50:26am

re: #296 jaunte

And first, House and Senate must pass a joint resolution to create said joint session where he can speak to Congress

Hmmm.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:50:46am

re: #268 lawhawk

If only there was some way anybody could have seen this coming…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:53:44am

re: #290 gwangung

Heh.

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Ugh, that last line made me cringe. I know third graders who can write better than that.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:55:28am

re: #296 jaunte

McConnell has already trashed comity and the plain language of the constitution when he refused to advise and consent on Merrick Garland - no vote, no hearing, nothing. It’s not a reach for him and Trump to just go and do it - and force Nancy to try and stop Trump.

They are intent on destroying functioning government, and there’s no reason to consider this as another angle of debasement by the right wing extremists.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:55:35am

re: #298 KGxvi

He’s still a darling of the “smarks” but the crowds have been booing him pretty solidly lately. That doesn’t mean he isn’t popular - a lot of fans will still boo wrestlers they like out of respect for the heel work they are doing. The guy he’s going against - AJ Styles (who is the dude in the ring) - is also super popular with fans across the spectrum. He’s only been using this gimmick for the last couple of months, so it’s tough to say where it’s going from here.

Also, he competed for years under his real name of Brian Danielson before he even came to WWE and built up a major fan following. That’s part of why WWE has shafted him here and there. Vince has a long track record of mistreating and misusing stars he didn’t personally create.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:55:47am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:56:53am

re: #309 jaunte

There are 19 names on that list. Even if all of them get on board we still one more to hit 67.

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Citizen K  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:56:56am

re: #293 KGxvi

So, this promo occurred on WWE Smackdown last night:

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A little back story: Daniel Bryan was a long time fan favorite, he was forced to retire due to concussion issues a couple years ago. Then he was medically cleared and was probably the biggest thing in wrestling since, I don’t even know. He turned heel when he won the championship by kicking his opponent in the nuts. Since then, he’s been running a holier-than-thou gimmick where he talks about how he’s better than everyone else, especially fans, because he’s vegan and environmentally conscious and blah blah blah. A week or two ago he was on commentary and said he hopes his young daughter grows up to kick hundreds or thousands of men in the junk.

This might turn into a 21st century version of Stone Cold Steve Austin, who became a fan favorite despite (or because of) being an anti-authority heel back in the 90s.

So far, it’s more along the lines of CM Punk’s ‘Straight Edge’ superiority gimmick that he ran both on the indies and before his real breakout run. And just like that one, it’s less about what Daniel Bryan is promoting and the fact that he’s being self-righteous about it. I think that’s part of why it’s working right now, because a lot of this stuff is what Bryan genuinely believes (he WAS vegan until his road regimen made it impossible to eat vegan while getting all the nutrients he needed), just amped up into obnoxiousness. Which means his character has that appeal of just being north of right, but not enough to excuse his egomania.

It’s a balancing act that not few can manage, especially in wrestling (and even more especially in the WWE).

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 9:57:32am

re: #310 Eclectic Cyborg

More will begin to waver.

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gwangung  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:00:03am

re: #312 jaunte

More will begin to waver.

Particularly if they see pressure put on the others.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:00:41am

Dean is being tremendously optimistic here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:01:28am

re: #313 gwangung

Particularly if they see pressure put on the others.

That could get interesting. They are elected officials so Trump can’t fire them even if he wanted to. I still have my doubts though.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:01:54am

re: #314 jaunte

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Dean is being tremendously optimistic here.

Yep, I’m predicting the most racially charged SOTU in years. The “lie per minute” rate will be epic.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:03:12am

I can’t imagine a network executive agreeing to release millions of potential eyeballs to C-SPAN.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:05:20am

re: #314 jaunte

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Dean is being tremendously optimistic here.

TV will always cover Trump every time he asks, always.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:05:20am

re: #317 jaunte

I can’t imagine a network executive agreeing to release millions of potential eyeballs to C-SPAN.

Yep, because Trump is President he gets to turn any network he wants into Fox News.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:06:04am

re: #318 bd(it’s all true)

TV will always cover Trump every time he asks, always.

Because they know people will watch to see what crazy/stupid shit he says this time.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:07:42am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:07:42am

re: #320 Eclectic Cyborg

Because they know people will watch to see what crazy/stupid shit he says this time.

This.

They don’t care that the substance is shit, or that he’s pushing racist claptrap, or white supremacy as official immigration policy, or that he’s rolling back civil and voting rights across the board with the applause of the regressive GOP.

It’s all about the eyeballs and how they can maximize their profit.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:08:19am

re: #316 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, I’m predicting the most racially charged SOTU in years. The “lie per minute” rate will be epic.

He’s bringing us all together!

Seriously, he’s already jumped on the MAGA teen story. Expect about 10 minutes to cover that and The Enemy of the People Media. Then another 20 minutes on The Russia Hoax Investigation. Another 20 minutes on How Great MAGA Economy. Then 30 minutes on Build The Wall Crime Will Fall. Five minutes on Trade and China. Then another 40 minutes on the Mexican Horde M13 Gangs Invasion.

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:10:48am

Not that it matters, I’ve both emailed and called my Senator, Ron Johnson (R - Koch Brothers) with the following message:

I urge the Senator to vote in favor of the clean CR to reopen the government without wasting any more money on an utterly unnecessary and, frankly, racist, wall. There have always been better means of securing our borders and those places where walls are appropriate already HAVE walls. The President’s* infantile fixation on walls does no one any good. Meanwhile US forces have missed a payroll for the first time since the US Revolutionary war. This is utterly unacceptable to me as an Army veteran and as an American. The only ones benefiting from this shutdown are enemies, foreign and domestic, of this great nation.

Do your job to the voters of Wisconsin rather than your billionaire owners. Vote for a clean continuing resolution and end this mess now.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:13:27am

re: #317 jaunte

I can’t imagine a network executive agreeing to release millions of potential eyeballs to C-SPAN.

Aren’t the C-SPAN cameras controlled by the government?

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:15:56am

re: #325 Belafon

Aren’t the C-SPAN cameras controlled by the government?

Cable operators.

The largest of which is Comcast… which also happen to own NBC.

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Interesting Times  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:17:22am

re: #325 Belafon

Aren’t the C-SPAN cameras controlled by the government?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:18:48am

re: #327 Interesting Times

Heh. Interesting. But it will never happen. The networks will be falling over themselves to get cameras in there if they have to.

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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:19:46am

re: #328 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh. Interesting. But it will never happen. The networks will be falling over themselves to get cameras in there if they have to.

Once again, who controls the House?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:19:54am

re: #262 Eclectic Cyborg

I will say, the tweet storm that would inevitably follow a veto override would be quite something to see.

I, for one of many, look forward to that meltdown.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:20:19am

Trump’s latest attempt to cause eyes to look elsewhere:

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:22:04am

re: #331 freetoken

Trump’s latest attempt to cause eyes to look elsewhere:

Hmm, does the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly recognize the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly as the Interim President of Venezuela?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:23:27am

re: #331 freetoken

Trump’s latest attempt to cause eyes to look elsewhere:

Did DJT or our military appoint him?

Not that the Venezuelan people don’t deserve better than what they’re getting or have gotten from their incompetent governments the past decade.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:24:17am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

Venezuela doesn’t have a well working gov’t… something Trump is trying to accomplish here.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:24:57am

re: #332 Sir John Barron

Hmm, does the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly recognize the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly as the Interim President of Venezuela?

I think the guy did a webcast earlier.

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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:25:57am

re: #334 freetoken

Venezuela doesn’t have a well working gov’t… something Trump is trying to accomplish here.

Does this mean Trump will understand when we recognize Nancy Pelosi as president?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:27:16am
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KGxvi  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:28:39am

re: #329 Belafon

Once again, who controls the House?

Dogma - Whose House? - Who’s House?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:30:44am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

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She’s the Luke Russert of the New York Times.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:32:31am
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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:33:39am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:34:36am

re: #340 Patricia Kayden

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So the head of the KKKatholics speaks…

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:34:40am

Oh… and Mueller speaks (via new filing in the super secret case winding its way through the courts):

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:34:46am

re: #341 lawhawk

Not one Democrat should show up. Let him speak to Republicans only.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:36:39am

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

Not one Democrat should show up. Let him speak to Republicans only.

The visuals would be striking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:37:05am

re: #340 Patricia Kayden

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Bill really should look at the RCC’s history towards Native Americans or Catholics disrupting abortion clinics.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:37:59am

re: #342 Joe Bacon 🌹

So the head of the KKKatholics speaks…

That fucker makes me ashamed of being baptized Catholic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:38:29am

Lol, oh Fox, you never disappoint me.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:39:22am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:39:32am

re: #348 Eclectic Cyborg

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Lol, oh Fox, you never disappoint me.

Didn’t your network defend Joe Wilson? Go home FNC, you’re drunk. You can’t handle the truth about Trump.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:41:18am

re: #344 Patricia Kayden

The doors will be closed, the lights off.

It really is out of Trump’s control.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:41:32am
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Belafon  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:42:22am

re: #349 jaunte

I think it’s far better that she just keeps him out.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:43:42am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:44:31am

re: #352 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I had to read that three times to process how insane it is.

A House Committee hearing needs to be postponed because the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is THREATENING witnesses.

Good lord.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:45:36am

re: #333 Sir John Barron

Did DJT or our military appoint him?

Not that the Venezuelan people don’t deserve better than what they’re getting or have gotten from their incompetent governments the past decade.

The Venezuelzan electoral process is more likely to reflect the will of its people than…say…North Carolina.

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lawhawk  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:48:29am

re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg

I had to read that three times to process how insane it is.

A House Committee hearing needs to be postponed because the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is THREATENING witnesses.

Good lord.

This by itself should be enough to draw up articles of impeachment. It’s clear evidence of witness tampering, obstruction of justice, and interfering in ongoing investigations. Each by itself would be a felony charge.

The GOP will continue deflecting and denying all while Trump destroys the norms and standards and ignores the rule of law.

This should not be allowed to stand, and the House should draw up articles of impeachment, starting with those charges from Cohen’s lawyer. Let them investigate and add to them all the rest of the charges that Mueller’s working on.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:48:39am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:49:10am

re: #355 Eclectic Cyborg

I had to read that three times to process how insane it is.

A House Committee hearing needs to be postponed because the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES is THREATENING witnesses.

Good lord.

No threat!! No threat!!! Just wants a sit-down at Bada Bing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:51:28am

re: #358 jaunte

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We can expect Maggie to sugar coat this stunt.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:51:33am
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:51:56am

re: #358 jaunte

Remember this from just a few days ago?

Giuliani defends Trump going after Cohen’s father-in-law

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:53:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:53:45am

re: #331 freetoken

Trump says in White House release that he is “officially recognizing the President of the Venezuelan National Assembly, Juan Guaido, as the Interim President of Venezuela.”

Like recognizing Marshall Petain as the President of Vichy France and Mussolini as President of the Republic of Salo?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:53:47am

I saw the crowd in Iowa shouting down Phony Joni.

I’m really afraid violence is going to break out and Trump will exploit it

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makeitstop  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:55:51am

re: #360 Joe Bacon 🌹

We can expect Maggie to sugar coat this stunt.

Further evidence of brinksmanship between the two sides.

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:56:34am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

It’s like the first episode of SG:U… only without cool space ships.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:57:24am
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:57:59am

re: #365 Joe Bacon 🌹

Speaking of Joni:

Sen. Joni Ernst denies ex-husband’s allegation that she had an affair, says she is ‘a survivor’

Maybe she is the victim. Who knows.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 23, 2019 • 10:58:04am
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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:02:02am

From the daily fail:

As part of her affidavit, Joni revealed she told then-candidate Donald Trump in 2016 that she didn’t want to be his vice presidential running mate, blaming the decision on her controlling husband who resisted her political success.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:04:05am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:04:37am

re: #364 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Like recognizing Marshall Petain as the President of Vichy France and Mussolini as President of the Republic of Salo?

Unless he has the 82ND Airborne on the Green Ramp at Ft. Bragg, he will be invited to pound sand.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:14:12am

Saw that Cohen is postponing testimony in Feb. due to fears for wife and FIL’s safety.

Also saw rumor that WH aids are trying to get Rudy off TV at night because they think he’s drunk.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:14:29am

Here’s a little immigration/Venezuela factoid:

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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:14:32am

re: #347 HappyWarrior

That fucker makes me ashamed of being baptized Catholic.

You were baptized into the universal church. That’s what catholic means and despite Rome’s efforts to portray it else-wise, the Bishop of Rome is merely one Bishop out of many men and women trying to find the path to live like Jesus taught us to. The ritual says you are one of the community of Christ not the community of Rome, Moscow, Canturbury, etc.

I will simply say this of that Procreator, he does tempt me to believe in eternal hell.

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:18:50am
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William Lewis  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:19:49am

re: #363 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I am tempted. Alas, I’d probably be too tempted to rip off Ralph Peters’ “The War in 2020” en.wikipedia.org because the same trends he saw back in 1991 are still in place (lots or pretense of upgrades while the troops soldier on with increasingly outdated gear until they are slaughtered in a first battle reminiscent of Task Force Smith on July 5, 1950.)

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freetoken  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:19:56am

Trumpers:

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Charles Johnson  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:20:09am
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wrenchwench  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:22:15am

re: #375 jaunte

Here’s a little immigration/Venezuela factoid:

[Colombia, a country already hosting approximately 1.1 million Venezuelan refugees, is still receiving approximately 5,000 Venezuelans a day. “Crisis” is indeed a relative term.]

‘Local’ coverage adds;

…providing FARC with young men to recruit!

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jaunte  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:31:59am

All in all, King estimates that more than 1,000 octopuses known as Muusoctopus robustus were nestled among the rocks, most of which appeared to be inverted, or turned inside out. For this species, that inside-out pose is common among females that are brooding, or protecting their growing young. In some cases, the submersible’s camera could even spot tiny embryos cradled within their mothers’ arms.

“Out of that 1,000, we might have seen two or three octopuses that were just swimming around,” says King, who is also a marine biologist at the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary. “So I’d say almost 99 percent were brooding.”

Me too, octopuses, me too.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 23, 2019 • 11:33:07am

re: #375 jaunte

Here’s a little immigration/Venezuela factoid:

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5,000 per day? Colombia has a bona fide refugee crisis on its hands.


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