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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:13:30pm

oh you don’t say

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:18:04pm

re: #1 Myron Falwell

oh you don’t say

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Donny, you are weak.

And a massive asshole.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:19:48pm

re: #1 Myron Falwell

oh you don’t say

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You’ve always been weak.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:26:37pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:29:05pm

re: #4 Chrysicat

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Consider how the Republicans undercut Obama’s every action…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:29:37pm

heheh

btw, Lawrence is speaking the truth, CNN is now a distant third behind MSNBC and Faux, and MSNBC is starting to overtake Faux in multiple timeslots.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:33:40pm

re: #4 Chrysicat

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Idiot doesn’t know what treason is.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:36:36pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

Idiot doesn’t know what treason is.

oh, you get treason when Mama Tree and Papa Tree get together to have a kid ////////////////////////

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:36:59pm

re: #6 Myron Falwell

Well, if CNN wants to become the news network of both siderism, they will be 3rd place in the ratings.

The only thing Democrats and Republicans can agree on is that both-siderists* are worthless.

(*) genuine both-siderists, of course. Naturally the GOP approves of its large stable of supposed both-siderists whose only purpose is to shill for Republicans.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:37:12pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:37:31pm

Who is this guy Michael D’Antonio? He really struck a raw nerve on von Clownstick, so Fuckface calls him everything that von Clownstick actually is.

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MsJ  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:40:42pm

Got CL’d.

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EPR-radar  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:47:42pm

re: #12 MsJ

Trump’s fantasy here goes back to the dawn of political history. The demagogue always needs a threat to take over a democracy, and it’s much easier to find a threat in times of chaos.

It’s just another piece of evidence that Trump is fundamentally as totalitarian as anyone, up to and including Hitler. The only constraints on Trump’s actions are externally set limits from checks and balances that weren’t intended to be tested to destruction like this.

God knows there is nothing in Trump’s character that would deter him from genocide or other absolute evil in pursuit of a few seconds of ego gratification.

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ObserverArt  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:53:04pm

Lawrence just reported about the Senate getting heated at that meeting they had with Pence at his luncheon.

“This is all your fault” said Ron Johnson from Wisconsin to Mitch McConnell.

They are coming apart. Let’s all help them!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:55:09pm

re: #12 MsJ

Cliff notes version: He plans to drive the society into a wall so he can reassemble the pieces in an arrangement that pleases him.

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William Lewis  Jan 24, 2019 • 7:56:26pm

re: #14 ObserverArt

Lawrence just reported about the Senate getting heated at that meeting they had with Pence at his luncheon.

“This is all your fault” said Ron Johnson from Wisconsin to Mitch McConnell.

They are coming apart. Let’s all help them!

I’m sure I’m not the only one who has called and emailed Ron to start doing his job. He might even be concerned by the reality that Wisconsin is going back to it’s blue heritage… ;D

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MsJ  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:01:04pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Cliff notes version: He plans to drive the society into a wall so he can reassemble the pieces in an arrangement that pleases him.

For the monied class. Take everything, start a revolution and pick up the pieces for pennies on the dollar.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:04:29pm

re: #17 MsJ

Our description of his intent is pretty irrational, so it’s probably correct.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:05:42pm
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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:06:20pm

An SPLC article might fill in some blanks:

How Gab Has Raised Millions Thanks to This Crowdfunding Company

Three months after a man radicalized on gab.com killed 11 Jews in a Pittsburgh synagogue, the social media website that has become a hub for white nationalists and neo-Nazis remains financially viable thanks to an Obama-era law and an online crowdfunding broker, a Hatewatch investigation reveals.

splcenter.org

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:07:06pm

re: #17 MsJ

I’m not sure he thought his cunning plan all the way through, though. Real revolutions tend to lead to half the folks who came in with money, meeting Mme. Guillotine or ending their lives against a wall (largely depending upon the time period, historically, but I can imagine actual blades rather than firing squads due to the nostalgic feelings of the typical type who’s already revolutionary in this country).

I’m not sure it’s possible to get a revolution without dead rich folk, unless somehow the army remains totally loyal to the upper class but all the rules below it somehow still get scrambled?

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:08:52pm

re: #21 Chrysicat

Add to that that in the modern era, open revolutions outside already-Marxist states are almost exclusively Marxist, not reactionary. And I have no idea how the Kochs haven’t made that point to him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:09:46pm

That guy is such a nobody that Trump is raging at him at 10:28 at night. Must have hurt the Executive Baby’s feelings.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:10:35pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

That guy is such a nobody that Trump is raging at him at 10:28 at night. Must have hurt the Executive Baby’s feelings.

Is he the author of the recent WH tell-all?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:11:14pm

re: #11 The Vicious Babushka

Who is this guy Michael D’Antonio? He really struck a raw nerve on von Clownstick, so Fuckface calls him everything that von Clownstick actually is.

He could be John Barron’s alter ego ////

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:11:44pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Is he the author of the recent WH tell-all?

No. I forget that guy’s name but it wasn’t this guy.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:12:34pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:13:13pm

re: #27 makeitstop

lol.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:13:20pm

I just got finished watching the Fyre documentary on Netflix and holy shit that Festival was an even worse clusterfuck than I thought!

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:14:11pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

No. I forget that guy’s name but it wasn’t this guy.

Wasn’t the tell all book guy named Cliff something or other?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:14:42pm

Here’s the article Michael Antonio wrote for CNN that triggered POS45

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:16:15pm

re: #22 Chrysicat

Add to that that in the modern era, open revolutions outside already-Marxist states are almost exclusively Marxist, not reactionary. And I have no idea how the Kochs haven’t made that point to him.

Odd you mention that.

Koch network tells donors it plans to stay out of 2020 race, once again declining to back Trump
—Washington Post

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:18:05pm

re: #30 makeitstop

Wasn’t the tell all book guy named Cliff something or other?

Cliff yes.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:18:06pm

re: #13 EPR-radar

Trump has been coddled and protected his whole damn life. No one has ever fought back and prevented him from doing anything for … 72 years.

Until Pelosi told him ixnay on the SOTU-ay.

That’s the only real way to bring him down, and should he go insane and try to take the whole world down, it won’t be because no one tried to take down his ego. Rather, the opposite.

And tbh, it’s a risk worth taking.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:18:53pm

re: #31 The Vicious Babushka

Here’s the article Michael Antonio wrote for CNN that triggered POS45

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Trump is such a baby. I can’t believe his supporters actually think he’s tough.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:19:45pm

re: #30 makeitstop

Wasn’t the tell all book guy named Cliff something or other?

Cliff Sims. Or Cliff Notes. Or a Clif Bar.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:21:58pm

This is one reason why my own blogging has been largely on hiatus.

China has blocked Bing, Microsoft’s next-to-useless search engine. It and the Russian Yandex were the only remaining foreign-based search engines accessible in China. An Australian-Chinese blogger was recently detailed in Guangzhou, despite having Australian citizenship now. It’s so easy to say something that will get you in trouble, a lot of us here self-censor, because it’s not worth the risk.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:23:30pm

re: #34 Myron Falwell

Trump has been coddled and protected his whole damn life. No one has ever fought back and prevented him from doing anything for … 72 years.

Until Pelosi told him ixnay on the SOTU-ay.

That’s the only real way to bring him down, and should he go insane and try to take the whole world down, it won’t be because no one tried to take down his ego. Rather, the opposite.

And tbh, it’s a risk worth taking.

Women like Pelosi upset him because they’re smarter than him and better at their jobs than he is.

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makeitstop  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:24:24pm

re: #36 Myron Falwell

Cliff Sims. Or Cliff Notes. Or a Clif Bar.

Cliff Hanger

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:24:35pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Odd you mention that.

Koch network tells donors it plans to stay out of 2020 race, once again declining to back Trump
—Washington Post

Why duplicate spending when the Russians will finance the whole GOP?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:28:04pm

One last news grab. This will go down well:

Instead of visiting White House during DC trip, Warriors meet with Barack Obama

sfchronicle.com

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bmoak  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:29:00pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Don’t take hat as a message that the Koch Brothers will stay out of politics in 2020. They will just spend the same amount of money they would’ve spent on a Presidential race in Senate, House, and state-level races. Hell, they’ll probably spend more money they did in 2016 since they have that huge tax-cut windfall.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:29:43pm

I am totally bewildered by the “self deporting” “47%” Mitt Romney voting the right way on the legislation. He voted against sanctions on the Russians. What happened here? It cannot be because he actually has a conscience or wants to do the right thing.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:30:52pm

re: #42 bmoak

Oh yeah, but they seem to be skipping over the damaged goods.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:32:58pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

One last news grab. This will go down well:

Instead of visiting White House during DC trip, Warriors meet with Barack Obama

sfchronicle.com

Oh that will set him off.

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Jason Munro  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:36:45pm

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

Mitt is basically the “polite company” version of Trump. When he bucks the establishment I guarantee it has nothing to do with having a conscience, and everything to do with personal gain. My theory is he is setting himself up to be the savior of the republican party, to swoop in and be the kinder gentler bigot to take the reigns when Trump goes to prison.

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stpaulbear  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:38:33pm

re: #1 Myron Falwell

oh you don’t say

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So do any of these people say “Sir, for the sake of everything, you really need to reopen the government. Now.” They are so fucked up.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:46:09pm

re: #12 MsJ

Got CL’d.

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“America will be great again when whites are allowed to once again kill off a bunch of blacks and Mexicans.” That’s what he wants to say.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:46:15pm

re: #44 Decatur Deb

Oh yeah, but they seem to be skipping over the damaged goods.

True. They may change his mind if Pence runs in his place next year, however.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:46:39pm

re: #46 Jason Munro

Mitt is basically the “polite company” version of Trump. When he bucks the establishment I guarantee it has nothing to do with having a conscience, and everything to do with personal gain. My theory is he is setting himself up to be the savior of the republican party, to swoop in and be the kinder gentler bigot to take the reigns when Trump goes to prison.

I definitely concur. My original view was that the only differences between Romney and Trump were:
1. Romney was polite and spoke coherently.
2. He was loyal to his wife and not a philanderer.
3. His FP would be traditional; after all, he warned about Putin in 2012.

After his vote last week, it’s clear that the third item was in error. So only 1 and 2 apply to him.

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:48:39pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Of course. They’re all black.

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Chrysicat  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:50:42pm
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Interesting Times  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:52:29pm

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

I am totally bewildered by the “self deporting” “47%” Mitt Romney voting the right way on the legislation. He voted against sanctions on the Russians.

Because of the proposed Mormon temple in Moscow -_-

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sagehen  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:54:03pm

re: #32 Decatur Deb

Odd you mention that.

Koch network tells donors it plans to stay out of 2020 race, once again declining to back Trump
—Washington Post

Kochs have a lot of policy preferences we hate, but they also place high value on

1) competence
2) staying off Mueller’s radar

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:54:52pm
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 8:57:04pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:12:56pm

re: #54 sagehen

Kochs have a lot of policy preferences we hate, but they also place high value on

1) competence
2) staying off Mueller’s radar

Except for their fanaticism in wishing to destroy the planet to preserve their bottom line, I believe that they are serious supporters of science and modern technology. None of this rapture nonsense or creationism for them. They are not fans of governmental chaos; they want a stable foreign policy and are not hostile to immigration. Of course, their climate change denial may lead to the destruction of our civilization— there is always that.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:13:43pm
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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:14:54pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Except for their fanaticism in wishing to destroy the planet to preserve their bottom line, I believe that they are serious supporters of science and modern technology. None of this rapture nonsense or creationism for them. They are not fans of governmental chaos; they want a stable foreign policy and are not hostile to immigration. Of course, their climate change denial may lead to the destruction of our civilization— there is always that.

They make toilet paper, which, while essential, is a massive consumption of trees. We need to find ways for them to male money off of fighting climate change.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:15:42pm
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Jay C  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:19:47pm

re: #58 Belafon

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While Rep. Tlaib is, IMO, quite right in concept, I think she’s wrong in one detail. I’m certain that the”folks” Mitch McConnell “serves” are his donors, not Kentucky voters. Though the latter are probably likely to keep returning old McTurtle to the Senate in perpetuity because Republican….

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:20:33pm

re: #60 Belafon

America, 2019.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:25:23pm

I’ve heard people say that Bennet is normally quiet. It’s the quiet people you don’t want to make angry.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:31:00pm

re: #60 Belafon

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During my youth, few vaccines were available, so we endured many of these diseases instead. I do believe in vaccinations for those who do not have serious health issues that preclude certain vaccines. But I am remain concerned that young children are being given too many vaccinations in too brief a time frame — have they really done the necessary studies to determine the safety and effectiveness of this approach? We have certainly learned that the pharmaceutical industry always places profit as their primary motivation. History is littered with errors that have dire consequences for those who receive medications and/or their offspring.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:33:14pm

re: #63 Belafon

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I’ve heard people say that Bennet is normally quiet. It’s the quiet people you don’t want to make angry.

As I said downstairs, Bennet was very impressive. I think I’m in love with him. Bennet 2020!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:34:54pm
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gwangung  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:36:32pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

During my youth, few vaccines were available, so we endured many of these diseases instead. I do believe in vaccinations for those who do not have serious health issues that preclude certain vaccines. But I am remain concerned that young children are being given too many vaccinations in too brief a time frame — have they really done the necessary studies to determine the safety and effectiveness of this approach? We have certainly learned that the pharmaceutical industry always places profit as their primary motivation. History is littered with errors that have dire consequences for those who receive medications and/or their offspring.

Yes. Because they do the medical, scientific work before the commercial work.

And vaccines are low margin, labor intensive work. Money isn’t a factor here.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:38:03pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

During my youth, few vaccines were available, so we endured many of these diseases instead. I do believe in vaccinations for those who do not have serious health issues that preclude certain vaccines. But I am remain concerned that young children are being given too many vaccinations in too brief a time frame — have they really done the necessary studies to determine the safety and effectiveness of this approach? We have certainly learned that the pharmaceutical industry always places profit as their primary motivation. History is littered with errors that have dire consequences for those who receive medications and/or their offspring.

Three boys, all vaccinated, including one that got the early chicken pox vaccine, two that got early versions of the HPV vaccines which required a booster earlier, and they are all doing fine. As someone who got the chicken pox as a kid, and the scarlet fever after, I would much rather have them vaccinated. There are a number of things kids could get that I’m glad they don’t. And while they won’t have a problem, I am getting close to the age where I need to start thinking about shingles.

BTW, that was the nice version if what I’m thinking.

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:39:16pm

I almost didn’t post this because these make my insides burn:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:41:44pm

re: #69 Belafon

I almost didn’t post this because these make my insides burn:

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Lawsuit?

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Belafon  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:42:28pm

re: #58 Belafon

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You can be empathetic toward the poor even if you are rich, if you have empathy. But we know that’s not a Republican trait.

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uncah91  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:42:51pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

But I am remain concerned that young children are being given too many vaccinations in too brief a time frame — have they really done the necessary studies to determine the safety and effectiveness of this approach?

They have done the studies. Many times over.

You were sold a bill of goods by fear mongers, and the only thing they have to actually stand on is this effect, that they made something sound scary. You can make anything sound scary.

Don’t think so? Well I am here to tell you that it’s just absolutely crazy to ride around in an automobile. Do you really think you can control 3000 pounds of metal going 60, 70, 80 miles an hour with only 4 small pieces of rubber the size of your hand? Balderdash. Impossible.

Well that is what you do every day, because the contact patch of the tire of a car is about that size.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:44:51pm

re: #68 Belafon

Three boys, all vaccinated, including one that got the early chicken pox vaccine, two that got early versions of the HPV vaccines which required a booster earlier, and they are all doing fine. As someone who got the chicken pox as a kid, and the scarlet fever after, I would much rather have them vaccinated. There are a number of things kids could get that I’m glad they don’t. And while they won’t have a problem, I am getting close to the age where I need to start thinking about shingles.

BTW, that was the nice version if what I’m thinking.

I’m not saying not to vaccinate — it’s just a question of whether it might be safer to administer them over a somewhat longer period of time.

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uncah91  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:48:30pm

re: #73 Hecuba’s daughter

I’m not saying not to vaccinate — it’s just a question of whether it might be safer to administer them over a somewhat longer period of time.

The vaccines are given when they are most efficacious at preventing the diseases they are intended to prevent. You aren’t basing your concern on a scientific study, just a feeling, which is ironic.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:56:14pm

So, Mr Burns Sec. Ross is also spouting the “volunteering” line. Just like Kudlow. I guess someone in the administration thought that would be a good talking point to spread around.
These people are complete fucking idiots

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 9:58:04pm

re: #63 Belafon

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I’ve heard people say that Bennet is normally quiet. It’s the quiet people you don’t want to make angry.

“He was a quiet man. Kept to himself…”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:01:51pm

“And you know what they say about a man with long photo-shopped fingers.
Sad little ding dong”

Trump Has Been Posting Altered Photos Of Himself

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:04:22pm

re: #74 uncah91

The vaccines are given when they are most efficacious at preventing the diseases they are intended to prevent. You aren’t basing your concern on a scientific study, just a feeling, which is ironic.

My reactions may be a result of personal experience: one of my nephews was born with serious neurological problems: one pediatrician advised against the Pertussis part of the DPT shot, another pediatrician was fine with the entire combination and that was what was administered. My nephew had convulsions shortly after receiving the vaccine and suffered permanent damage. At that time (almost 40 years ago) there wasn’t the same type of guidance as today as to who should have medical exemptions.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:08:50pm

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So, Mr Burns Sec. Ross is also spouting the “volunteering” line. Just like Kudlow. I guess someone in the administration thought that would be a good talking point to spread around.
These people are complete fucking idiots

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It wouldn’t be surprising if those on the Ross staff were wealthier than the average federal employee. Ross wouldn’t even notice if he didn’t receive a paycheck for several months — or even several years.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:16:37pm

re: #67 gwangung

Yes. Because they do the medical, scientific work before the commercial work.

And vaccines are low margin, labor intensive work. Money isn’t a factor here.

The last time I went in for a vaccination (yellow fever), the doctor I went to had similar concerns about the number of required vaccinations. And he was certainly not an anti-vaccer.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:16:40pm

cracks

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:23:19pm

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

My reactions may be a result of personal experience: one of my nephews was born with serious neurological problems: one pediatrician advised against the Pertussis part of the DPT shot, another pediatrician was fine with the entire combination and that was what was administered. My nephew had convulsions shortly after receiving the vaccine and suffered permanent damage. At that time (almost 40 years ago) there wasn’t the same type of guidance as today as to who should have medical exemptions.

Medical recommendations and contra-indications are based on actuarial studies and the doctors’ professional experience. It is impossible to say any medical procedure, drug or vaccine is 100% risk-free for all patients. We can say that for *most* patients something is *mostly* safe. That is all we can do.

It’s a question of weighing the risks of treatment or vaccination. Pertussis, as an example, is no longer as common in the American population as it was 100 years ago, because most people have been vaccinated against it. It is then harder to contract it “in the wild.” But the risk of dying from pertussis still exists, and we need to maintain the “herd immunity” of the general population to prevent outbreaks, so the CDC and most doctors recommend children be immunized against pertussis before they enter school. While adverse reactions can happen, those risks are far less than the risk of catching the disease, and potentially dying from it, and also spreading it to others.

Putting it another way. If 1 person in 100,000 has an adverse reaction to pertussis vaccine, it does not mean the other 99,999 should not have been vaccinated.

I’m sorry your nephew had a bad reaction. But questioning the wisdom of vaccinations in general based on one incident that happened 40 years ago is just not clear thinking.

Pertussis is a nasty disease, and children can die from it. Schools used to close and people would stay at home isolated from neighbors because of whooping cough outbreaks. The doctor could have reasoned the chances of the kid dying from pertussis were greater than suffering adverse reactions.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:26:58pm

re: #80 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

The last time I went in for a vaccination (yellow fever), the doctor I went to had similar concerns about the number of required vaccinations. And he was certainly not an anti-vaccer.

People are much more mobile than in the past, and there have been cases of travelers visiting other countries, and bringing otherwise “tropical” diseases back with them. I’m of the mind that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:27:23pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:40:58pm

re: #82 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Medical recommendations and contra-indications are based on actuarial studies and the doctors’ professional experience. It is impossible to say any medical procedure, drug or vaccine is 100% risk-free for all patients. We can say that for *most* patients something is *mostly* safe. That is all we can do.

It’s a question of weighing the risks of treatment or vaccination. Pertussis, as an example, is no longer as common in the American population as it was 100 years ago, because most people have been vaccinated against it. It is then harder to contract it “in the wild.” But the risk of dying from pertussis still exists, and we need to maintain the “herd immunity” of the general population to prevent outbreaks, so the CDC and most doctors recommend children be immunized against pertussis before they enter school. While adverse reactions can happen, those risks are far less than the risk of catching the disease, and potentially dying from it, and also spreading it to others.

Putting it another way. If 1 person in 100,000 has an adverse reaction to pertussis vaccine, it does not mean the other 99,999 should not have been vaccinated.

I’m sorry your nephew had a bad reaction. But questioning the wisdom of vaccinations in general based on one incident that happened 40 years ago is just not clear thinking.

Pertussis is a nasty disease, and children can die from it. Schools used to close and people would stay at home isolated from neighbors because of whooping cough outbreaks. The doctor could have reasoned the chances of the kid dying from pertussis were greater than suffering adverse reactions.

The original pertussis vaccine (the “P” in “DTP”) was a live-virus vaccine, and there were a number (proportionally small of course) of bad reactions to it. That’s why they switched to the acellular vaccine (the “aP” in “TDaP”)…I thought more than 40 years ago. Problem is, the acellular vaccine is much less effective, so we need almost 100% vaccination rates to maintain herd immunity.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:41:14pm

re: #83 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

People are much more mobile than in the past, and there have been cases of travelers visiting other countries, and bringing otherwise “tropical” diseases back with them. I’m of the mind that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Did you think I was talking about my yellow fever vaccine? I sought it out even though it wasn’t strictly required. The doctor was speaking in general, about the sheer number of vaccinations children in CA are required to have — which he thought excessive.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:41:50pm

re: #68 Belafon

.. And while they won’t have a problem, I am getting close to the age where I need to start thinking about shingles.

It appears that having the chicken pox vaccine doesn’t protect you from shingles although it may lead to milder cases.

cpmgsandiego.com

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:43:39pm

re: #87 Hecuba’s daughter

It appears that having the chicken pox vaccine doesn’t protect you from shingles although it may lead to milder cases.

cpmgsandiego.com

Right, there’s a shingles vaccine — and I believe there’s a newer one, recently on the market.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:45:28pm

re: #88 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Right, there’s a shingles vaccine — and I believe there’s a newer one, recently on the market.

Yes — I had the older one and came down with shingles 3 months later!! It was only about 50% effective so not a surprise. The newer one appears more effective.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:46:46pm

I got the shingles vaccine a couple years ago. Kaiser gives it when you turn 60. Haven’t got shingles yet.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:49:02pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — I had the older one and came down with shingles 3 months later!! It was only about 50% effective so not a surprise. The newer one appears more effective.

Ouch! I’ve had the old one, haven’t seen my doctor since I heard about the new one. I’ll make a mental note to ask about it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:51:24pm

re: #86 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Did you think I was talking about my yellow fever vaccine? I sought it out even though it wasn’t strictly required. The doctor was speaking in general, about the sheer number of vaccinations children in CA are required to have — which he thought excessive.

Sorry, I misunderstood. Though my original point stands. With the number of kids coming from all over the world, and the alarming tendency of some parents for forgo immunizing their offspring, encouraging all those vaccinations is probably wiser than not. That said, I don’t know what CA requires. I recall KY had a fairly standard schedule of immunizations to be administered by age 7. My ex and I had several arguments about our kids getting them, and in the end I won, because the schools otherwise would have refused their admission.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:53:28pm

re: #91 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Ouch! I’ve had the old one, haven’t seen my doctor since I heard about the new one. I’ll make a mental note to ask about it.

One of my college students here had to stay out of school for almost a month, because she had chickenpox. Somehow she’d never had it as a kid, and she was not immunized as a child. She was pretty miserable for about two weeks. Her doctor said she had to stay home to prevent infecting her fellow students.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 24, 2019 • 10:57:27pm

One of my earliest memories is standing in line with my parents to get the oral polio vaccine on a sugar cube. I can’t say how old I was, but I must have been younger than 5. It sticks in my memory I guess because there were so many people and kids lined up to get a paper cup with a sugar cube inside. We had sugar cubes at home, so why were these so special? My parents probably told me it was a special treat.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:03:27pm

re: #94 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

One of my earliest memories is standing in line with my parents to get the oral polio vaccine on a sugar cube. I can’t say how old I was, but I must have been younger than 5. It sticks in my memory I guess because there were so many people and kids lined up to get a paper cup with a sugar cube inside. We had sugar cubes at home, so why were these so special? My parents probably told me it was a special treat.

I remember my Salk vaccine (as well as the oral ones). I don’t know why that one stuck in my mind.

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De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:06:56pm

Apropos of nothing but the funk, down by old man Johnson’s farm…

Prince - Raspberry Beret (Official Music Video)

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:08:30pm

re: #94 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

One of my earliest memories is standing in line with my parents to get the oral polio vaccine on a sugar cube. I can’t say how old I was, but I must have been younger than 5. It sticks in my memory I guess because there were so many people and kids lined up to get a paper cup with a sugar cube inside. We had sugar cubes at home, so why were these so special? My parents probably told me it was a special treat.

One of my first experiences in America was the polio vaccine. I was 4, they were giving shots at the county courthouse. I was adverse to needles so I tried to pistol whip the doctor with my cap gun that I carried in my holster. Then we had a sugar cube and sugar solution dose later.

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Targetpractice  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:12:21pm

re: #81 Single-handed sailor

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cracks

Cracks are forming, but Mitch isn’t budging. He’s looking for Donny to save him, but Donny has no interest in doing so. So long as Donny screams he “won’t CAVE,” the shutdown continues to roll on because Mitch will keep the Senate jammed up.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:19:22pm
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De Kolta Chair  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:19:58pm

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:21:51pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes. Researcers have this data. There. Is. No. Harm. In. Giving. Vaccinations. In. The. Schedule. That. Is. Being. Used.

To suggest, oh so innocently, that there may be some question is a very antixvaxxer technique.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:25:36pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 24, 2019 • 11:55:14pm

There are few things I hate more than onion crescents. I just wanted to share that with you all. That pisses me off, my wife does it.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:09:53am

re: #103 Single-handed sailor

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There are few things I hate more than onion crescents. I just wanted to share that with you all. That pisses me off, my wife does it.

That’s a weird hill to die on but okay. I usually do them that way if I ‘m caramelizing them, and cut latitudinally if I’m serving them raw in a hamburger.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:12:00am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:12:32am

re: #104 goddamnedfrank

Full discs is the only way to go.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:14:35am

Putin/Trump = Master/Blaster. We’re in Barter Town. Trump broke the deal, he must spin the wheel.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:24:38am

Taxation without representation is wrong. It’s kinda your founding principal.

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Chrysicat  Jan 25, 2019 • 12:58:03am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 1:47:20am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:03:57am
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:10:16am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:16:57am

re: #19 Single-handed sailor

Brookings FP
BrookingsFP
25 years ago this week, Ukraine agreed to hand its nuclear weapons over to Russia in exchange for security assurances from the US

Since we reneged on our security commitments, the only fair thing now would be to give Ukraine back its nukes.

/

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:31:47am

Worth the read…….

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:32:14am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:40:53am

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:46:58am

So, this is happening. People are calling Trump hotels and asking if they are giving furloughed workers free rooms and meals. Naturally, the hotels are saying WTF? So, now the callers have upped the game by booking rooms and canceling at the last moment.

The flaw in this tactic is the hit on your credit card. The hotel will place a charge on the card, so you’ve cut into your available credit until the charge is canceled. Do it several times, and the credit card issue will flag it for fraud and lock you out until you can prove it’s you making the charges.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:53:57am

George Soros rips into China at the Davos summit, and has few compliments for Donald Trump.

bbc.com

“China is not the only authoritarian regime in the world but it is the wealthiest, strongest and technologically most advanced,” he said, noting concerns too about Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

“This makes Xi Jinping the most dangerous opponent of open societies,” he said.

Mr Soros, a prominent donor to the Democratic Party in the US, also criticised the Trump administration’s stance towards China.

“Instead of waging a trade war with practically the whole world, the US should focus on China,” he said.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 2:58:32am

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So, Mr Burns Sec. Ross is also spouting the “volunteering” line. Just like Kudlow. I guess someone in the administration thought that would be a good talking point to spread around.
These people are complete fucking idiots

And it’s going over like Principal Skinner’s invitation of steamed hams to Supernintendo Chalmers.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:06:09am

That moment when you totally rewrite a comment reply because you’re struck with the perfect amount of snark after the fact heheh

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:22:17am

re: #98 Targetpractice

Cracks are forming, but Mitch isn’t budging. He’s looking for Donny to save him, but Donny has no interest in doing so. So long as Donny screams he “won’t CAVE,” the shutdown continues to roll on because Mitch will keep the Senate jammed up.

Except that Mitch gave Schumer and the Democrats a ton of ammo to use against him with that vote stunt. This is a case of where he literally has to be overrun by everyone else because he refuses to surrender with dignity.

Make no mistake, Mitch is fucked here. And so is the GOP. A competent party would have tried to remove him to save themselves by now but no one in their right minds would want the job. Just like the House GOP’s self-castration under Paul Ryan’s inadequacies.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:24:15am

MSNBC reporting that it’s now Roger Stone’s time in the barrel: he’s been arrested.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:25:15am

Roger Stone has been arrested in the Mueller probe

msnbc.com

It’s a breaking story; it’s the banner at the top.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:25:29am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:25:36am

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

MSNBC reporting that it’s now Roger Stone’s time in the barrel: he’s been arrested.

Ya beat me by one minute, LOL

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:25:55am

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

MSNBC reporting that it’s now Roger Stone’s time in the barrel: he’s been arrested.

Saw that. Trump won’t be happy. Prepare for tweetstorm!! Batten down the hatches!! Lash yourselves to the rail!

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:26:28am

Bom Boom. It’s Felony Friday!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:27:06am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:27:58am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Ya beat me by one minute, LOL

Ha! First time. Anyway, gonna be a crazy Friday.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:29:02am

Arrested and charged with lying to Congress and witness tampering.

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAABAHAHAHAAHAHAHA

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:29:02am

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

Ha! First time. Anyway, gonna be a crazy Friday.

Tweetstorm from President Manbaby incoming.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:30:50am

Wait til Roger the Pinhead realizes his tattoo of Nixon isn’t going to save him now lolololololll

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:34:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:36:10am

It’s about 0630 right now in D.C., and Trump should be waking up right about now.

What a thing for him to wake up to! LOLOLOL

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:36:41am
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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:38:10am
During the summer of 2016, STONE spoke to senior Trump Campaign officials about
Organization 1 and information it might have had that would be damaging to the Clinton
Campaign. STONE was contacted by senior Trump Campaign officials to inquire about future
releases by Organization 1.

Unindicted co-conspirator-1 should probably pay attention.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:39:22am

re: #136 freetoken

Unindicted co-conspirator-1 should probably pay attention.

And here’s to hoping the next arrest will be that of Donald Trump, Jr.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:40:50am

Roger Stone was the one to blame for instilling the whole “build the wall” motif that Trump embraced and solidly fixated over.

“Build the wall” has become a five-alarm fire that’s taking Trump down under his own hubris.

And now Roger is going down at the same time.

Happy Infrastructure Week, everyone!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:42:55am

What a great start to the weekend!

Looks like Robert Mueller said, “Get me Roger Stone”.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:45:09am

dominos…

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:48:53am

I bet he stays quiet for a while.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:49:17am

re: #140 Myron Falwell

From the indictment:

“….an associate who lived in the United Kingdom and was a supporter of the Trump Campaign.”

Hmmm…..maybe this chap? Didn’t he visit Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London?

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Archangelus  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:50:54am

Good morning everybody!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:50:55am

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

I thought that statement was a reference to Assange?

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The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:52:32am

re: #140 Myron Falwell

My brain is taking that statement to a Harry Potter place, and I’m not liking it.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:52:41am

re: #144 freetoken

Hmmm… so maybe it’s more than Assange. But Trump had/has several supporters in the UK, so I am not sure it is Farage… though it could be. I bet the UK agencies are going to be hot on this.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:53:13am

re: #141 Dave In Austin

I bet he stays quiet for a while.

Trump or Roger? Definitely plausible with Roger, I’d be a bit surprised if he immediately folds like the cheap suits he wears.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:55:19am

re: #147 Myron Falwell

Trump or Roger? Definitely plausible with Roger, I’d be a bit surprised if he immediately folds like the cheap suits he wears.

Trump… His kids are prolly next.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:59:10am

re: #148 Dave In Austin

Trump… His kids are prolly next.

Totally taking away his bullying power over congress with the shutdown.

Oooopsie.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 25, 2019 • 3:59:54am

what a way to wake up, it’s already Mueller time!

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:00:55am

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

And here’s to hoping the next arrest will be that of Donald Trump, Jr.

Or Kushner.

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Kilroy was here  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:01:01am

Thank goodness for Mueller - he leaves no Stone unturned.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:01:16am

The “witness tampering” charge is a fucking biggie. This is a message to Trump after he tried to threaten Cohen and his FIL multiple times, including on live TV.

THIS is now personal.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:03:35am

re: #152 Kilroy was here

I regret I have but one upding to give

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:03:37am

re: #151 Barefoot Grin

Or Kushner.

Heh, the Boy Blunder in handcuffs.

Glorious.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:05:57am

Wonder who these two are:

“Person 1 was a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. […] Person 2 was a radio host who had known STONE for more than a decade.”

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:08:03am

re: #156 Alephnaught

Wonder who these two are:

“Person 1 was a political commentator who worked with an online media publication during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign. […] Person 2 was a radio host who had known STONE for more than a decade.”

I’m thinking Jerome Corsi and Sean Hannity - and right now, they’ve gotta be shitting bricks.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:10:52am

AW YESS, HERE IT IS!!

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:12:03am

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

Corsey and I forget who that radio host was, nunberg maybe? But I remember him going on all the shows including Ari Melber’s and All In.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:12:54am

re: #142 Dr Lizardo

From the indictment:

“….an associate who lived in the United Kingdom and was a supporter of the Trump Campaign.”

Hmmm…..maybe this chap? Didn’t he visit Assange at the Ecuadorian Embassy in London?

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Hmmm… According to the indictment:

On or about July 25, 2016, STONE sent an email to Person 1 with the subject line,
“Get to [the head of Organization 1].” The body of the message read, “Get to [the
head of Organization 1] [a]t Ecuadorian Embassy in London and get the pending
[Organization 1] emails … they deal with Foundation, allegedly.” On or about the
same day, Person 1 forwarded STONE’s email to an associate who lived in the
United Kingdom and was a supporter of the Trump Campaign.

So, that seems to be say Person 1, a “political commentator who worked with an online media publication during the 2016 U.S. presidential campaign” knows whoever-it-is.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:13:08am

re: #159 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Corsey and I forget who that radio host was, nunberg maybe? But I remember him going on all the shows including Ari Melber’s and All In.

I was thinking Hannity, but yeah, coulda been another radio talking head too.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:13:54am

re: #157 Dr Lizardo

Alex Jones is still primarily a radio host and is far more interconnected with Corsi than Hannity. But it damn well could be Lumpy, as he’s tied to Cohen.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:14:02am

Sound like Corsi and Hannity to me. Shit is getting very very real.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:14:06am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

“FBI. Open the door.”

Watch exclusive CNN footage of the FBI arresting longtime Trump associate Roger Stone. Stone has been indicted by a grand jury on charges brought by special counsel Robert Mueller.

Drinking game: one shot for the number of sites/broadcasters decrying “Gestapo tactics” within the next 24 hours…

Make sure you have a spare bottle at hand

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:14:23am

re: #162 Myron Falwell

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Oh yeah! Jones. Of course

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mmmirele  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:14:38am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

AW YESS, HERE IT IS!!

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Well, this makes up for the misery of being on a trip and having a head cold nearly the entire time. Happy Friday!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:14:46am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Drinking game: one shot for the number of sites/broadcasters decrying “Gestapo tactics” within the next 24 hours…

Make sure you have a spare bottle at hand

Some of us value our livers.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:17:18am

This is what all the MAGAdolts are running with:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:17:34am

Holy shit tho what news to wake up to.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:18:22am

re: #162 Myron Falwell

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You’re right - I’d forgotten about him - he is a radio talk-show host, by and large.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:19:53am

re: #170 Dr Lizardo

You’re right - I’d forgotten about him - he is a radio talk-show host, by and large.

The decade length seems right too as I bet Lumpy and Stone go back to the 90’s or early 00’s. Jones was seen as a joke in most right wing circles until Obama.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:20:24am

I think I know who Person 2 may be:

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:20:37am

re: #169 HappyWarrior

Holy shit tho what news to wake up to.

And you know what’ll be even better?

When Donny Jr. gets woken up to a shout of, “FBI! Warrant! Open the door!”.

Fuckin’ - A.

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Barefoot Grin  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:20:38am

I also wish the FBI would inconvenience the shitbag pranksters who worked with Stone like Cassandra Fairbanks. Wonder how BFF Matt Gaetz is feeling….

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:20:54am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

Wondering why the show of force with assault rifles, etc. Jesus. Did they think Stone was gonna go kamikaze?

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:21:00am

Some are saying that Ted Malloch is the guy who is the Farage ally, who is the unnamed person (besides Assange) in the indictment.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:21:52am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

The decade length seems right too as I bet Lumpy and Stone go back to the 90’s or early 00’s. Jones was seen as a joke in most right wing circles until Obama.

Yeah; I can still remember when any mention of Alex Jones was banned over at Freeperville…..right up until around 2010 or so.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:24:34am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:25:03am

re: #175 Scottish Dragon

Wondering why the show of force with assault rifles, etc. Jesus. Did they think Stone was gonna go kamikaze?

Maybe. Whomever planned the raid might’ve thought that maybe Stone would try to go down fighting or something.

Personally, if I were gonna arrest a Red Hat, hell yeah, I’d go in armed. Some of those people are absolutely nuts.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:30:07am

re: #179 Dr Lizardo

Anything associated with Assange should be considered dangerous, given his anarchist buddies and Russian connections.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:31:36am

Assange should be feeling a bit nervous now. Even though he’s still tucked away in that embassy, there’s going to be even more heat from the USA to extradite him.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:34:20am

Nice wakeup. Are the FBI agents in Florida volunteers?

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:36:49am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

Nice wakeup. Are the FBI agents in Florida volunteers?

LOL I would be for that one….

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:38:36am

re: #175 Scottish Dragon

Wondering why the show of force with assault rifles, etc. Jesus. Did they think Stone was gonna go kamikaze?

Look who he associates with. They were right to go in with force.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:41:02am

re: #177 Dr Lizardo

Yeah; I can still remember when any mention of Alex Jones was banned over at Freeperville…..right up until around 2010 or so.

Yeah. I knew quite a bit of right wingers in those days. He was rightfully seen as a kook but I imagine it’s different now.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:42:13am

re: #183 Scottish Dragon

LOL I would be for that one….

Good coffee boys are hard to keep.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:43:05am

re: #184 GlutenFreeJesus

Look who he associates with. They were right to go in with force.

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I want to say Stone has bragged about being loaded too. A guy like Manafort probably not. When they get Jones though, they’re going to need to detox the place because I hear Alex Jones smells like sulfur and sexual repression.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:44:43am

re: #29 Eclectic Cyborg

I just got finished watching the Fyre documentary on Netflix and holy shit that Festival was an even worse clusterfuck than I thought!

I must watch that. I heard that it was good.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:47:26am

McPresident: I hardly knew him!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:48:55am

That’s two of the three that met through Roy Cohn all those years ago.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:49:05am

re: #189 GlutenFreeJesus

McPresident: I hardly knew him!

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Is that Bernie about to do the Angry Girlfriend Spin?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:51:34am

Just watched the CNN video on the arrest, and here’s my thoughts.

Trump has the FBI pissed. His constant denigration of the intelligence community AND his willingness to ignore every single security protocol since he was elected AND his (or his campaign’s) clear cooperation with foreign agents have them livid.

The FBI wanted the media to see this arrest. They want the public to see the arrest. They’re sending a clear message to Trump: we are coming after you and your cronies, and we will do it for the public to see, because you guys are criminals. So, someone high up the command gave CNN the scoop and/or permission to film the arrest.

Trump ought to sweating bullets now. He’s pissed off the wrong people.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:52:13am

re: #178 freetoken

Best news ever!!! One by one, Mueller is getting each and every one of the swamp.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:53:24am

There be more coming.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:54:09am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Just watched the CNN video on the arrest, and here’s my thoughts.

Trump has the FBI pissed. His constant denigration of the intelligence community AND his willingness to ignore every single security protocol since he was elected AND his (or his campaign’s) clear cooperation with foreign agents have them livid.

The FBI wanted the media to see this arrest. They want the public to see the arrest. They’re sending a clear message to Trump: we are coming after you and your cronies, and we will do it for the public to see, because you guys are criminals. So, someone high up the command gave CNN the scoop and/or permission to film the arrest.

Trump ought to sweating bullets now. He’s pissed off the wrong people.

I think that is probably correct. This was a calculated message, delivered with an M4. The show of force is a middle finger to Trump and his family.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:54:10am

Looks like President Pelosi will be the one ending the shutdown.
/-half

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:54:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:54:52am

re: #194 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There be more coming.

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That was my thought too. Dumbo Jr, Ereek, The Princess, & Jagoff Kushner.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:55:27am

re: #194 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

They’re coming for Donny Jr.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:55:39am

re: #195 Scottish Dragon

I think that is probably correct. This was a calculated message, delivered with an M4. The show of force is a middle finger to Trump and his family.

Yes. Maybe the FBI was worried Stone would try to resist arrest, but this kind of arrest carries a clear message. No more Mr Nice Guy.

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majii  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:55:58am

re: #1 Myron Falwell

“Looks weak?” The mthrfkr is weak.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:57:06am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

re: #199 Patricia Kayden

That’s my guess, too. Perhaps even Pence and Republicans in Congress. It’s going to Elliot Ness vs the Mob all over again.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 4:58:04am

re: #202 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That’s my guess, too. Perhaps even Pence and Republicans in Congress. It’s going to Elliot Ness vs the Mob all over again.

Nunes comes to mine for Congress. This will be bigger than Watergate.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:00:23am

Roger Stone Arrested. How come I did not know this?

Slate

Looks like it’s Roger Stone’s time in the barrel. The President’s old friend and longtime political adviser was indicted in the Special Counsel probe late Thursday on seven counts, including one count of obstruction of an official proceeding, five counts of false statements, and one count of witness tampering, according to the special counsel’s office. He was arrested Friday morning.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:01:31am

re: #75 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So, Mr Burns Sec. Ross is also spouting the “volunteering” line. Just like Kudlow. I guess someone in the administration thought that would be a good talking point to spread around.
These people are complete fucking idiots

And, don’t know the fucking law. Federal employees are legally not permitted to volunteer their time for federal work. Not discouraged, not just not allowed; it is a literal crime to volunteer our time in lieu of pay (for the government) or while we are under furlough.

Fuckers trying to spin shit they don’t understand.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:01:49am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:03:57am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

That was my thought too. Dumbo Jr, Ereek, The Princess, & Jagoff Kushner.

All of them, Katie.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:04:51am

re: #207 Myron Falwell

All of them, Katie.

Sign me up but yeah. Looks like February and March will be cruel months for Trump and co.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:06:38am

re: #131 Dr Lizardo

Tweetstorm from President Manbaby incoming.

Just a coffee-boy. Don’t know him. Only spoke to him once or twice. …. ad nauseum

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:06:44am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Sign me up but yeah. Looks like February and March will be cruel months for Trump and co.

What’s cruel for Trump is cleansing and carthritic for the rest of us.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:08:36am

re: #210 Myron Falwell

What’s cruel for Trump is cleansing and carthritic for the rest of us.

I was riffing Shakespeare. Isn’t February is the cruelest month from Richard III? In any case. The wall is starting to close in around Donnie Do No Good.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:08:37am

re: #210 Myron Falwell

What’s cruel for Trump is cleansing and carthritic for the rest of us.

I think you mean cathartic, though. Carthritic is when your joints make it hard to get in and out of your automobile.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:10:19am

re: #152 Kilroy was here

Thank goodness for Mueller - he leaves no Stone unturned.

I see what did there.

And, that is proper use of capitalization.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:10:29am

re: #209 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Just a coffee-boy. Don’t know him. Only spoke to him once or twice. …. ad nauseum

Possibly “there’s no direct mention of Russia in the indictment! Witch hunt!” Apparently that’s the line Fox and Friends are going with.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:12:35am

re: #214 Alephnaught

Possibly “there’s no direct mention of Russia in the indictment! Witch hunt!” Apparently that’s the line Fox and Friends are going with.

Mostly the Storm Troop/CNN collusion spin

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:12:48am

re: #214 Alephnaught

Possibly “there’s no direct mention of Russia in the indictment! Witch hunt!” Apparently that’s the line Fox and Friends are going with.

They’re all over the fucking place right now.

“This was an unnecessary raid because he’s not a flight risk!”

“Somebody at the FBI had to have notified CNN!”

“There’s no mention of Russia in the indictment, hence not proof of collusion!”

“These charges are meaningless!”

“If they indict him for lying to Congress, they need to indict everybody…oh wait.”

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:14:30am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:15:58am

The re: #217 freetoken

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Waaaah. It’s not fair mommy.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:17:14am

re: #216 Targetpractice

Stone has even said he expected to be arrested. So, it was no surprise to him, at least.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:17:20am

re: #194 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Donny Jr. was right……he said a few days ago he was worried he’d be indicted and/or arrested.

Good.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:17:52am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Donny Jr. was right……he said a few days ago he was worried he’d be indicted and/or arrested.

Good.

Good. I hope he is because he should be.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:18:26am

Happy Treasonous Friday!

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:20:02am
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Flying Squirrel Girl  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:20:33am

I can tell it’s gonna be one of those days when I get NO work done.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:22:49am

re: #223 Alephnaught

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Couldn’t happen to a nicer asshole. You’ll have plenty of time for Prison vodka tho.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:22:56am

re: #224 Flying Squirrel Girl

I can tell it’s gonna be one of those days when I get NO work done.

If anyone else gets arrested today, I assure you this will be the case.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:24:31am

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:26:44am

re: #223 Alephnaught

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“Libtards”. FFS. What a juvenile asshole.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:27:57am

FWIW

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:28:02am

re: #227 A Mom Anon

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A Mom Anon  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:28:08am

re: #228 Dr. Matt

A juvenile asshole who is in jail til he gets bailed out. Snort.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:29:22am

Ugh. Another day in Gunmerica

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Targetpractice  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:29:43am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:31:04am

re: #233 Targetpractice

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Corsi will find himself arrested soon imo. Plenty of time in jail Jerry to write 2020 Dem Candidate is the Antichrist.

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majii  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:33:38am

re: #88 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’ve had two shingles shots in the last six months. I thought the first one had covered it fairly well until the pharmacist told me I needed another shingles shot. I figured while I was there, I’d have the shot for pneumonia, too. Get both of them out of the way.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:34:10am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:34:47am

re: #232 Dr. Matt

Ugh. Another day in Gunmerica

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It will only gets worse as SCOTUS is poised to rule that the 2nd Amendment grants the right to carry your guns with you wherever you go.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:36:57am

The dolts never stop:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:37:32am

Last night heard the news that 30 security risks were granted clearances by the Trump Administration, then woke up to the news of Roger Stone being arrested. This is Watergate squared. Imagine if Nixon had hired the KGB to break into the DNC because he had been doing business with them for decades; that’s Trump.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:37:42am
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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:38:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:39:18am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:39:51am

re: #238 freetoken

The dolts never stop:

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The someone is reportedly Bannon, who Mueller alleges was directed to contact Stone about Wikileaks email drops. Now who in the Campaign had the authority to give Bannon directives? If not the Orange moron himself, Don Jr.?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:40:17am

re: #243 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The someone is reportedly Bannon, who Mueller alleges was directed to contact Stone about Wikileaks email drops. Now who in the Campaign had the authority to give Bannon directives? If not the Orange moron himself, Don Jr.?

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jeffreyw  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:40:58am

Good morning!

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:41:26am

re: #245 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Yes.

Yes, it is indeed a good morning.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:41:41am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It will be another happy day when Bannon is arrested!

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majii  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:42:35am

re: #132 Myron Falwell

The question on my mind now is, “Where is Jerome Corsi?” His stepson testified before the Mueller grand jury on Thursday. I so want him to be the next person arrested.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:42:48am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:43:58am

re: #248 majii

The question on my mind now is, “Where is Jerome Corsi?” His stepson testified before the Mueller grand jury on Thursday. I so want him to be the next person arrested.

He might be next. That’d be great.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:45:04am

re: #248 majii

The question on my mind now is, “Where is Jerome Corsi?” His stepson testified before the Mueller grand jury on Thursday. I so want him to be the next person arrested.

Oh, and in answer to your question, “Where is Jerome Corsi”?, here’s some live video of Corsi right now:

Bender Shit Bricks [720p]

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:46:01am

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thanks for letting us know Joaquin…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:46:38am

re: #248 majii

The question on my mind now is, “Where is Jerome Corsi?” His stepson testified before the Mueller grand jury on Thursday. I so want him to be the next person arrested.

Maybe we should set up a deadpool to draft the next Trump crony to be indicted, arrested , convicted or flipped.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:47:26am

Unfortunately, I have to step away from the funtimes - I have a late-afternoon lesson, but I’m sure the circus will still be here when I get back.

BBL.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:49:48am
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majii  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:50:08am

re: #175 Scottish Dragon

The FBI probably did think he’d do something irrational. His mouth, his big mouth is a major problem for Stone. It was just a couple days earlier this week when I was wondering to myself why Stone and Corsi had suddenly gone silent, and missing.

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mmmirele  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:51:03am

A cat who likes, nay, loves, snow.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:52:10am

All this, and Paul Manafort, whom Stone had recommended for Trump’s team, is still due in court today!

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:54:48am

Apparently Huckabooboo is spewing idiocy already this morning.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:56:28am
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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:59:12am

Donnie’s gonna have to work a whole lot harder to thwart those that took an oath to the Constitution.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:59:56am

So, nothing much happened over night, I take it.

/

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:00:38am

DMOTI goes with the conservatives-as-victims-of-crooked-FBI card:

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:00:54am

Well. Ain’t this a fine kettle of fish…

Imagine being in the White House right now. I wonder how many TV sets have been destroyed so far…

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:01:07am

re: #168 freetoken

This is what all the MAGAdolts are running with:

It was probably Roger Stone who gave the heads up. He wanted to see himself on camera. :)

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:02:05am

re: #263 freetoken

DMOTI goes with the conservatives-as-victims-of-crooked-FBI card:

Hmmm, and I thought they might go with the “We don’t know Roger Stone, isn’t he a Demoncrat?” card.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:03:05am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:04:06am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I’m sure everyone by now has seen that Roger Stone was perp walked from his house by the FBI. He’s being indicted on seven charges.

All of them bad.

The indictments also point to Steve Bannon as being the Trumpworld point person with Stone who was the go-between with Wikileaks.

This is incredibly bad for Trump (none of this is good for anyone in Trumpworld or the GOP, who just voted this week to try and avoid anyone primarying Trump in the GOP primaries that are coming up next year). There’s also indications that Mueller’s got more indictments ready to go over the next few weeks/months.

To recap, Roger Stone is a pal of Trump. They go back decades. Stone and Manafort are not only pals, but business associates who ran a consulting shop. They all got introduced to Trump by Roy Cohn. They all seem to abide by the AC/DC rule of dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

But Trump also was criming out in the open, as he was actively soliciting their help to go after Clinton (when he wasn’t going out of his way to solicit help from Russia).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:05:28am

re: #263 freetoken

DMOTI goes with the conservatives-as-victims-of-crooked-FBI card:

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SMOTI still SMOTI after all these years.

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:06:50am

Good morning. Any clues why the FBI arrested Stone via a pre-sunrise raid rather than lawyer takes him in or arranged surrender? Flight risk? Cranky unpaid agents? Thought he might resist violently? A delight to see in any case.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:07:47am

re: #268 lawhawk

Roger Stone was perp walked from his house by the FBI. He’s being indicted on seven charges.

All of them bad.

What a glorious end to another glorious Infrastructure Week.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:09:28am
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I Would Prefer Not To  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:09:35am

`re: #271 Sir John Barron

What a glorious end to another glorious Infrastructure Week.

Named should be change in INMATE-stucture

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:09:47am

re: #270 Unshaken Defiance

Good morning. Any clues why the FBI arrested Stone via a pre-sunrise raid rather than lawyer takes him in or arranged surrender? Flight risk? Cranky unpaid agents? Thought he might resist violently? A delight to see in any case.

Because they’re done playing nice - and don’t need to treat him as someone who can be turned into a cooperating witness with a plea deal.

They’re also searching his NY home he shares with Kristen Davis (aka the Manhattan madam):

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:10:25am

re: #270 Unshaken Defiance

Good morning. Any clues why the FBI arrested Stone via a pre-sunrise raid rather than lawyer takes him in or arranged surrender? Flight risk? Cranky unpaid agents? Thought he might resist violently? A delight to see in any case.

I guess the official reason would be “flight risk”; Imagine the issue of trying to get him extradited from Russia or Ecuador…

Main reason was, as mentioned earlier, a big middle finger at Trump for his attacks on the integrity and reliability of the FBI.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:10:57am

Is this still good? I got cheese in the fridge that’s older……

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:11:29am

re: #238 freetoken

The dolts never stop:

This is fine. Everything is fine.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:11:43am

More breaking news:

Breaking news - as of 6:38 AM on January 25, 2019, sources are telling me Hillary Clinton has not been arrested.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:12:43am

re: #278 Belafon

Breaking news - as of 6:38 AM on January 25, 2019, sources are telling me Hillary Clinton has not been arrested.

More proof of collusion and Deep State

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:13:38am

I think this is might be why people are pointing to Steve Bannon as the “high-ranking Trump official” in contact with Stone.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:15:04am

So has Individual #1 rage-tweeted yet? lol

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:15:07am

re: #276 Dave In Austin

Is this still good? I got cheese in the fridge that’s older……

There’s always a tweet….

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Kilroy was here  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:15:28am

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:15:31am

re: #277 Sir John Barron

This is fine. Everything is fine.

The reply is always another question.
“Is the Emperor a micro manager?”

There’s only 1 answer. It leaves them stammering because that means he absolutely knows everything.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:16:03am

re: #276 Dave In Austin

That’s a tweet that wont age particularly well. Not that Stone needs to cooperate.

Stone’s toast. He doesn’t have to testify and Mueller doesn’t need him to. Mueller’s got texts between Stone, the campaign, and Wikileaks that show the communications flowed from WL to Trumpworld (Bannon) via Stone.

The thing people always seem to forget is that there are many Trumpworld figures who “left” the campaign, but never left Trumpworld. They took up roles elsewhere in the organization or stayed in contact in ways that don’t make sense unless you realize that they were attempts to cover for more nefarious acts. Stone is just one example. He left Trumpworld, but then tried to ingratiate himself to Trumpworld by being the go-between with Wikileaks when they were doing their document dumps.

It’s always odd that people like Lewandowski and others left the campaign, but stick around in ways that don’t make sense, unless it’s to try and give plausible deniability to their actions on behalf of the campaign/admin.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:18:23am

re: #280 Alephnaught

I think this is might be why people are pointing to Steve Bannon as the “high-ranking Trump official” in contact with Stone.

“Steve Bannon? Who? Wasn’t he just a coffee boy?”

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:18:27am

Mueller’s keeping the powder dry on the more important conspiracy against the US charges because he needs to make sure that charges can stick, that the jury pool isn’t tainted, and that he doesn’t totally tip off Trumpworld to his actions (he’s treating Trumpworld like a criminal syndicate, for those who still aren’t paying attention).

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:19:13am
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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:20:31am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:21:45am

Know who’s got to be thanking their lucky stars that the FBI moved on Stone this morning?

McConnell.

The fucker has been covering for Trump and blocking reopening government for weeks, and his own caucus is starting to get fed up with his bulkshit too.

McConnell refused to bring a clean CR vote and did enough arm twisting to get the Democrats’ proposal to fail (but still be better than Trump’s wall proposal). McConnell is still covering for Trump, and the rank and file are starting to worry that their 2020 prospects are slipping away.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:24:06am

re: #263 freetoken

DMOTI goes with the conservatives-as-victims-of-crooked-FBI card:

But, but, but didn’t the Evil FBI fire that agent who sent the mean DJT message so shouldn’t the FBI be alright with the RWNJ now?

//

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:24:54am

re: #290 lawhawk

Know who’s got to be thanking their lucky stars that the FBI moved on Stone this morning?

McConnell.

The fucker has been covering for Trump and blocking reopening government for weeks, and his own caucus is starting to get fed up with his bulkshit too.

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McConnell refused to bring a clean CR vote and did enough arm twisting to get the Democrats’ proposal to fail (but still be better than Trump’s wall proposal). McConnell is still covering for Trump, and the rank and file are starting to worry that their 2020 prospects are slipping away.

I bet he’s still going to be feeling it but yeah. There’s starting to be cracks. McConnell famously promised to make Obama a one term President but his actions may result in Trump being the first term President since HW Bush.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:25:05am

No “collusion”!!!

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:25:15am

Interesting point, but it could also be Manafort, who was campaign manager at the time.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:25:29am

It’s a crime to be seen with Milo too. /

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:27:02am

re: #295 lawhawk

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It’s a crime to be seen with Milo too. /

See, I thought Daddy and the Boy was more funny when it was Dennis Reynolds and Charlie Kelly.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:27:23am

re: #281 Myron Falwell

So has Individual #1 rage-tweeted yet? lol

Last tweet was 11 hours ago.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:27:45am

re: #288 lawhawk


“Cops…. Filmed on location at Roger Stone’s house with federal law enforcement.”

Obligatory. :D

Bad Boys (Theme From Cops)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:28:00am

re: #294 Alephnaught

Interesting point, but it could also be Manafort, who was campaign manager at the time.

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Definitely someone high up on the chain who did more than get coffee. Can’t wait to see Sarah try to explain how this doesn’t relate to Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:28:59am

re: #297 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Last tweet was 11 hours ago.

Guys it’s only 9:28 here in EST. Individual 1 probably isn’t up from his slumber yet or he’s having the Secret Service bark for a second hash brown at McDonalds for him free of charge because your favorite President deserves a complimentary hash brown.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:29:14am

Is Bannon even in the country? Last I saw anything he was stirring up shit in Poland or somewhere.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:32:48am

Regarding the “directed by whom?” question, I wonder if it is a coincidence that this raid happening on the morning before Paul Manafort goes back to court, and if the hearing will involve his interactions with Stone.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:33:11am

re: #301 Dave In Austin

Is Bannon even in the country? Last I saw anything he was stirring up shit in Poland or somewhere.

He might want to skip on over to Moscow and request asylum.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:33:50am

re: #297 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Last tweet was 11 hours ago.

That’s a Shame

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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:34:03am

Stone arrest news breaks and the various next door neighbors of OCA, HRC, and Kamala are awoken by a delighted squeal and laughter. Obama may laugh so hard he needs an aspirin.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:34:32am

Nadler is chair of the House Judiciary Committee that’s going to deep dive into Trumpworld now that Democrats are about to exercise oversight on the Executive Branch that the GOP have blocked for the past two years (thanks to Nunes, Gowdy, Ryan, et al., putting party over nation).

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:35:39am
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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:35:48am

re: #299 HappyWarrior

Definitely someone high up on the chain who did more than get coffee. Can’t wait to see Sarah try to explain how this doesn’t relate to Trump.

So far, it appears to be “no comment”.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders has just been interviewed on CNN, where she refused to answer questions if Trump was the person doing the directing.

“The charges brought against Mr Stone have nothing to do with the president,” is all Sanders would say.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:37:20am

re: #308 Alephnaught

“The charges brought against Mr Stone have nothing to do with the president,” is all Sanders would say.

Oh, that’s a relief.

//

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:37:22am

re: #308 Alephnaught

So far, it appears to be “no comment”.

Ditto Giuliani :

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:37:50am

re: #306 lawhawk

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Nadler is chair of the House Judiciary Committee that’s going to deep dive into Trumpworld now that Democrats are about to exercise oversight on the Executive Branch that the GOP have blocked for the past two years (thanks to Nunes, Gowdy, Ryan, et al., putting party over nation).

Nadler is excellent.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:37:55am

re: #307 lawhawk

It’s almost like these people watch too many movies….

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:38:43am

This picture will forever be useful:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:39:02am

re: #310 Alephnaught

Ditto Giuliani :

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I like how Rudy the former prosecutor just characterizes making false statement as “something you shouldn’t do.” Nah, Rudy, showing up drunk as a skunk on television defending your client is something you shouldn’t do. Witness tampering is a pretty big deal too.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:39:49am

re: #276 Dave In Austin

Is this still good? I got cheese in the fridge that’s older……

Let’s assume for a moment that is actually true, which I don’t, because I think Stone cares about Stone. Then there is no reason for the FBI to be nice. And if it’s not true, there’s no reason for the FBI to be nice because that’s how they’ll get him to tell the truth, by scaring him.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:40:17am

re: #312 Sir John Barron

It’s almost like these people watch too many movies….

TV privileges will depend on good behavior.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:40:30am

More Milo-Stone connections, along with other far right wing grifters and shit-stirrers forthcoming:

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:41:41am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:42:36am

Stone’s lawyer just issued a statement:

They’re going to go with no collusion, except for all the bits where he’s conspiring with foreign agents to get info for Trumpworld to exploit and acting as their go-between.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:46:29am

re: #317 lawhawk

More Milo-Stone connections, along with other far right wing grifters and shit-stirrers forthcoming:

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This is such a weird collection of assorted assholes. Definitely not your father’s band of right wing assholes.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:48:07am

re: #122 Barefoot Grin

MSNBC reporting that it’s now Roger Stone’s time in the barrel: he’s been arrested.

Oh so it is true! I thought I had heard that this morning but was still groggy as I was just waking.

Cool. Let’s see where this goes.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:48:11am
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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:48:48am

no Russian collusion”. Very carefully worded there. “no Russian collusion”. He was working with Wikileaks, not direct with Russia, you see!

And “Stone received no materials from WikiLeaks ahead of their release”- which of course says nothing about whether Stone colluded or not.

And, add to that: it has nothing to do with the charges Stone is actually indicted with.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:50:03am

EDIT: Not much happening at the mo. It’s basically a Periscope of the outside door of the court.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:50:22am

re: #323 Alephnaught

no Russian collusion”. Very carefully worded there. “no Russian collusion”. He was working with Wikileaks, not direct with Russia, you see!

And “Stone received no materials from WikiLeaks ahead of their release”- which of course says nothing about whether Stone colluded or not.

And, add to that: it has nothing to do with the charges Stone is actually indicted with.

It’s like saying, yeah I did business with that Mafia associate so I didn’t do business with the Mafia directly! Wikileaks and I think Mueller can make the case was definitely acting with Russian instructions.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:52:15am

re: #323 Alephnaught

no Russian collusion”. Very carefully worded there. “no Russian collusion”. He was working with Wikileaks, not direct with Russia, you see!

And “Stone received no materials from WikiLeaks ahead of their release”- which of course says nothing about whether Stone colluded or not.

And, add to that: it has nothing to do with the charges Stone is actually indicted with.

Stone’s lawyer is more competent than Trump’s lawyers.

Stone has to know more charges will be coming, but the superseding indictments wont happen until other people are indicted first (Mueller’s building up to the big reveal). The arrest shows that Mueller doesn’t need Stone as a cooperating witness or cut him a deal at this point. Mueller has all he needs to put Stone away, and others that Stone talked to.

The question becomes who Stone was talking to and how soon the indictment drops against that person. Money says it’s Bannon.

Trumpworld indictment bingo card is filling up….

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:55:04am

re: #321 ObserverArt

Oh so it is true! I thought I had heard that this morning but was still groggy as I was just waking.

Cool. Let’s see where this goes.

C’mon, man. Gotta be up early during Infrastructure Weeks.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:56:01am

re: #319 lawhawk

Stone’s lawyer just issued a statement:

They’re going to go with no collusion, except for all the bits where he’s conspiring with foreign agents to get info for Trumpworld to exploit and acting as their go-between.

VINDICATED!!!!

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:56:22am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

C’mon, man. Gotta be up early during Infrastructure Weeks.

Yeah, but week 105 is tiring.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:56:32am

Live -tweeting the Manafort court hearing.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:56:36am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:58:04am

“We need a better class of prisoner.”
—Governor Lester Maddox

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:59:27am

re: #331 Patricia Kayden

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I imagine that will be what turns many of them against him in the end. You brought me down, I’ll bring you and your kids down too.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 6:59:48am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

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“We need a better class of prisoner.”
—Governor Lester Maddox

I still think Danny DeVito was the best Penguin, I’m sorry.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:01:23am

So much winning …

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:02:26am

re: #332 Decatur Deb

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“We need a better class of prisoner.”
—Governor Lester Maddox

Because of him, the Trump saga had better be written as a steampunk novel.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:06:37am

re: #336 Belafon

Because of him, the Trump saga had better be written as a steampunk novel.

Only Hunter Thompson could have done it justice.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:09:11am

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:10:45am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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Sweet dreams are made of …

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:11:20am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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“Hello Darkness, my old friend…”

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:11:50am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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You take the skyway

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:12:45am

re: #336 Belafon

Because of him, the Trump saga had better be written as a steampunk novel.

Please allow me

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Kilroy was here  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:13:02am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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It’s a small world after…

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:13:06am

re: #335 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So much winning …

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Man, good thing I flew last week.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:13:21am

re: #335 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So much winning …

That’s what the GOP senate wanted to happen so they allegedly would have a reason to relent.

Be careful what you wish for, example 1,305,782

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:13:47am

re: #344 makeitstop

Man, good thing I flew last week.

Are your arms still tired?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:14:13am

re: #101 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Yes. Researcers have this data. There. Is. No. Harm. In. Giving. Vaccinations. In. The. Schedule. That. Is. Being. Used.

To suggest, oh so innocently, that there may be some question is a very antixvaxxer technique.

That would make the doctor I spoke with an antivaxxer. Sorry, I’m not one either, and I’m not qualified to argue on how, when and what vaccines should be given (that’s for people like the doctor I mentioned), but medicine is not a religion and there are no final answer and no articles of faith.

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:14:22am
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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:14:22am

Does this mean the special counsel’s office is done playing with Manafort?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:16:10am

re: #345 Myron Falwell

That’s what the GOP senate wanted to happen so they allegedly would have a reason to relent.

Be careful what you wish for, example 1,305,782

I saw a tweet that Newark was also affected, but haven’t found anything corroborating that.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:16:58am

re: #347 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

That would make the doctor I spoke with an antivaxxer. Sorry, I’m not one either, and I’m not qualified to argue on how, when and what vaccines should be given (that’s for people like the doctor I mentioned), but medicine is not a religion and there are no final answer and no articles of faith.

No, the vaccination system has followed a series of studies showing their effectiveness. On the other hand, clinging to the idea that somehow they’re out to get you is a religion.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:17:58am

Trump and GOP are breaking functioning government and putting national security and safety at risk.

The GOP and Trump own this fucking shutdown. Only McConnell can end it by stopping his covering for Trump. Put up the clean CR and let the caucus vote as they did in December.

Trump thinks the wall makes us safer, and shut down government to prove it. He’s stopped E-Verify, cut funding for investigations and prosecutions of gangs, including MS-13. He’s stopped paying USCG members. He’s stopped paying FBI officers (6 Trumpworld arrests, and get your 7th free). He’s imperiling all Americans and undermining our national security (and we have the receipts on the fact that his own officials overrode the reports that said Jared should not receive clearance - along with 30 others who Trump wanted but had no business being anywhere near classified info).

Everyone in Trumpworld owns this shitshow. Everyone in the GOP leadership owns Trumpworld as they’ve enabled and covered for Trump.

No more.

Trumpworld no more.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:19:18am

re: #349 freetoken

Correctamundo.

Mueller was willing to give a deal to a cooperating witness, but the moment Manafort went off message and was showing himself to be a treasonweasel, Mueller put the screws to him and shows that he has no reason to keep the deal in place.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:19:20am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:19:52am

re: #352 lawhawk

Have you heard anything about EWR being affected by the FAA decision?

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:20:09am

re: #352 lawhawk

I feel like a dick posting this, but…

Giphy

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:20:21am

re: #256 majii

The FBI probably did think he’d do something irrational. His mouth, his big mouth is a major problem for Stone. It was just a couple days earlier this week when I was wondering to myself why Stone and Corsi had suddenly gone silent, and missing.

Jerome Corsi was just on Ari Melber’s MSNBC show on Wednesday night. He has said before he thought he would be arrested, I think he mentioned it again Wednesday. So, he has been out and about, but he knew he was on thin ice.

He apparently has spent time recently trying to get some separation from Stone. Apparently he has turned against Stoner, at least that is the way Michael Caputo was making it seem as there was some bad blood between the two of them on Ari’s show and it was all about Stone and Corsi at the Mueller investigation.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:20:26am

re: #338 makeitstop

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:20:39am

re: #247 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Expect “True Patriot” Bannon to flee to Russia.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:20:55am

re: #355 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

From CNBC…

A shortage of air traffic controllers prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to halt flights into New York’s LaGuardia Airport, as flights were delayed at several other major airports, including Newark Liberty International Airport.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:21:04am

re: #350 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I saw a tweet that Newark was also affected, but haven’t found anything corroborating that.

Watch for Atlanta this weekend. If the media can’t fly in on time at all for Super Bowl® Hype Week, let alone anyone else…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:21:19am

re: #360 jimmyvluv4u

From CNBC…

A shortage of air traffic controllers prompted the Federal Aviation Administration to halt flights into New York’s LaGuardia Airport, as flights were delayed at several other major airports, including Newark Liberty International Airport.

Ah, thanks

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William Lewis  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:21:27am

re: #342 William Lewis

Please allow me

Funny when you quote the wrong thread but it still makes sense… O_o

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:22:17am

re: #359 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Expect “True Patriot” Bannon to flee to Russia.

He’ll only be a moderate alcoholic there.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:22:23am

Browsing fly.faa.gov, looks like the ATC hold may be affecting PHL and EWR as well as LGA.

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CleverToad  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:22:42am

re: #78 Hecuba’s daughter

My reactions may be a result of personal experience: one of my nephews was born with serious neurological problems: one pediatrician advised against the Pertussis part of the DPT shot, another pediatrician was fine with the entire combination and that was what was administered. My nephew had convulsions shortly after receiving the vaccine and suffered permanent damage. At that time (almost 40 years ago) there wasn’t the same type of guidance as today as to who should have medical exemptions.

One of my younger cousins has three kids — first boy reacted very badly to his first and second vaccines. All of them have more than one allergy and have other medical issues. She didn’t finish the vaccine series for the oldest boy and hasn’t vaccinated her younger two. In her case, I understand the decision based on her kids’ particular problems. I still get irritated when she posts anti-vaxx stuff on Facebook, though, because her kids have to rely on herd immunity.

Individual experience does color one’s reactions. Part of mine are colored by a friend who is spending her life in braces or a wheelchair because she had polio as a child (and is only a couple years older than me). Also by my sister the children’s librarian who just had to explain to one of the young moms what ‘whooping cough’ is, and why she should take her two small kids to the doctor RIGHT NOW (and why she shouldn’t bring them to the library when they sound like that).

Understand that you might have questions. Still get antsy when people express vague worries in this climate, where there is way too much woo in cyber air and we’re seeing the real world consequences play out daily.

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:24:03am

re: #270 Unshaken Defiance

Good morning. Any clues why the FBI arrested Stone via a pre-sunrise raid rather than lawyer takes him in or arranged surrender? Flight risk? Cranky unpaid agents? Thought he might resist violently? A delight to see in any case.

Roger Stone is a showman.

I think the FBI decide to give him a show.

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:24:19am

re: #365 jimmyvluv4u

CNN also reporting this: holds at LGA, PHL, and EWR.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:24:27am

re: #355 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure anything official. flightaware.com is indicating “Departure delays of 1 hours 1 minutes to 1 hours 15 minutes (and increasing) due to an air traffic management program”

That would jibe with ATC staffing issues.

LGA has a ground stop.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:25:57am

re: #365 jimmyvluv4u

Browsing fly.faa.gov, looks like the ATC hold may be affecting PHL and EWR as well as LGA.

CNN has it.

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rhuarc  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:26:03am

re: #335 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So much winning …

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Great. Between the snowstorm bearing down on the Midwest this weekend and this I hope I make it home from Ohio on Sunday night going through O’Hare.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:27:08am

re: #352 lawhawk

Mitch is beyond fucked now. This is inevitably going to spread and seize everything… not just average Joe flights, but flights for shipping packages, cargo, food. And rich people’s personal flights.

He had his last shot at the exit ramp yesterday. Now he’s a sitting duck (who looks like a turtle) incapacitated by his own stubbornness, with a populace seething in anger.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:28:50am

Now the shutdown will start affecting the rest of America.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:28:54am
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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:28:59am
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bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:29:12am

re: #370 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

CNN has it.

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It’s going to effect the entire planet soon.

Vietnam wasn’t a domino but LaGuardia is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:29:42am

So, I’m officially stoked that Stone got metal bracelets this morning.

But I’m also officially worried about what Trump is going to do now. Remember: He’s backed into a corner, he’s angry, he’s unstable…and he has access to our nuclear arsenal.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:30:00am

Thread with surprise ending

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:30:30am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

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Look on the bright side

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:30:41am

re: #374 freetoken

Mueller’s conserving resources. No need to retry him. Just have the judge sentence him based on no cooperation. It basically means Manafort’s fucked with no new Mueller effort.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:34:54am

re: #380 lawhawk

But he only plead guilty to two crimes, correct? And if so, they would be the ones for which he is sentenced.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:35:52am

More air travel woes

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jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:35:57am

FAA delays appear to be due to staffing at ZDC/ZJX facilities, which handle traffic from ~MD/VA (up through PHL) down the east coast through mid-Florida. Things may get worse as the day progresses in other time zones…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:36:44am

One tweet said DC is also affected, but I’ve got nothing else to support that report.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:36:45am

re: #373 Belafon

Now the shutdown will start affecting the rest of America.

By Monday, Mitch may be wishing he wasn’t the Senate majority leader.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:37:58am

re: #382 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

More air travel woes

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Federal employees are officially out of fucks to give.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:38:52am

And even if we do get out of this shutdown soon, there’s the debt ceiling in a couple of months.

Expect more shenanigans there.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:40:02am

re: #385 Myron Falwell

By Monday, Mitch may be wishing he wasn’t the Senate majority leader.

Has has multiple options on that front.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:40:14am

MAGAdolts really piling on about Mueller conspiring with CNN…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:40:34am

re: #383 jimmyvluv4u

FAA delays appear to be due to staffing at ZDC/ZJX facilities, which handle traffic from ~MD/VA down the east coast through mid-Florida. Things may get worse as the day progresses in other time zones…

Yeah. One year, I was coming into O’Hare, and connecting with another flight. Bad weather along the Eastern Seaboard was wreaking havoc with all the flights coming into O’Hare, including the plane I was supposed to take.

I ended up staying the night at the airport Hilton. It was a mess. Airlines work on the just-in-time scheme, and one plane may serve several regional airports. One local delay, and the whole system falls to pieces.

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Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:41:50am

re: #389 freetoken

MAGAdolts really piling on about Mueller conspiring with CNN…

“So? He called CNN to show everyone what happens when they break the law? Works for me.”

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:42:13am

re: #351 Belafon

No, the vaccination system has followed a series of studies showing their effectiveness. On the other hand, clinging to the idea that somehow they’re out to get you is a religion.

No protocol is final. That is what science is about. (I repeat that I’m up to date on all my vaccinations and will remain so.)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:42:27am

re: #389 freetoken

MAGAdolts really piling on about Mueller conspiring with CNN…

Maybe the FBI deliberately called CNN. Maybe a source tipped them off. Maybe they heard it on the scanner. CNN was doing its job. Get over it, wingnuts.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:43:32am

re: #383 jimmyvluv4u

FAA delays appear to be due to staffing at ZDC/ZJX facilities, which handle traffic from ~MD/VA (up through PHL) down the east coast through mid-Florida. Things may get worse as the day progresses in other time zones…

If the regional ARTCCs are short-staffed, it means all flights through that corridor are affected. It means that flights have to be throttled to make sure that there’s sufficient spacing and the ATC that are available to handle aren’t overwhelmed by the flights in their airspace.

It’s going to get a lot worse, and it’s hitting the East Coast first, because of the density of flights here.

It’s also going to spread worldwide, as inbound flights may be held up, but it seems like ground stops to keep flights from getting airborne in the East Coast will be how they manage this for now.

Watch for other ARTCCs to have similar issues in coming days - Chicago, LA, Oakland, Miami, Atlanta, etc.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:43:54am

re: #389 freetoken

MAGAdolts really piling on about Mueller conspiring with CNN…

TPM’s got the skinny on how they did it.

CNN found itself in the enviable position of being the only network staking out Roger Stone’s Fort Lauderdale residence in the small hours of Friday morning, getting dramatic (and constantly looped) footage of FBI agents rapping on Stone’s door and yelling that they had a warrant.

While some whispered about a lucky tip, CNN shot down the rumors, insisting that their D.C. reporters had ears to the ground and detected unusual grand jury activity. The grand jury empaneled for Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe usually meets on Fridays. This week, they met on Thursday.

Crime and justice reporter David Shortell, who is based in Washington, D.C., said that “all roads lead to Roger Stone,” and he brought a cameraman with him to observe the Stone residence.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:45:27am

re: #395 makeitstop

TPM’s got the skinny on how they did it.

Like I said, good old fashioned crime reporting. It’s how Weegee got all his famous photos.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:45:33am

re: #389 freetoken

MAGAdolts really piling on about Mueller conspiring with CNN…

Conspiring with CNN to do…what exactly?

Also, too, it’s amazing how bitter the Lock Her Up crowd is at federal law enforcement carrying out its duties.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:45:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:46:48am

re: #393 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Maybe the FBI deliberately called CNN. Maybe a source tipped them off. Maybe they heard it on the scanner. CNN was doing its job. Get over it, wingnuts.

Seriously. Stone HIMSELF had said numerous times he expected to be indicted. I’d be surprised if CNN DIDN’T have him staked out pretty well weeks ago.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:46:56am

re: #395 makeitstop

TPM’s got the skinny on how they did it.

In fairness, Fox News was probably too busy lining up guests to complain about Hillary Clinton.

//

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:48:31am

Morere: #214 Alephnaught

More parsed statements:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:49:23am

re: #401 Alephnaught

LOL. He really doesn’t know why law enforcement prefers early morning raids?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:51:42am

Nice to think that there’s finally something that’s going to hit DT’s donor class hard. Or are there private airports fot the wealthy?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:51:49am

re: #402 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL. He really doesn’t know why law enforcement prefers early morning raids?

“My client is an old man, and needs his sleep. This arrest was cruel and unusual punishment, and should be nullified, because reasons.”

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:52:06am

re: #395 makeitstop

TPM’s got the skinny on how they did it.

That clip of CNN from yesterday shows that they knew something was up today.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:52:30am

re: #295 lawhawk

It’s a crime to be seen with Milo too. /

It has in RW circles ever since he came out in defense of pedophiles, yes…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:52:55am

re: #403 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Nice to think that there’s finally something that’s going to hit DT’s donor class hard. Or are there private airports fot the wealthy?

Private pilots still need to talk to air traffic control, even if they are on visual flight rules.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:54:17am

re: #407 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Private pilots still need to talk to air traffic control, even if they are on visual flight rules.

That’s what I thought. So the pressure on the Repugs increases. Good.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:55:34am

re: #397 Sir John Barron

Conspiring with CNN to do…what exactly?

Also, too, it’s amazing how bitter the Lock Her Up crowd is at federal law enforcement carrying out its duties.

Mueller - six Trump campaign officials, get your 7th free on the house.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:56:11am

re: #408 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

That’s what I thought. So the pressure on the Repugs increases. Good.

Like lawhawk said, these delays are going to gum up air traffic everywhere. International flights are going to be affected, too.

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Egregious Philbin  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:56:34am

Hey, remember the Arizona state representative that made all the racist remarks a few weeks back? Turns out that he got busted on 3 counts of sexual offenses. And he liked his child porn. Oh these conservative religious republicans….you can’t make this stuff up.

Link

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:56:57am

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:57:19am
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Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:58:12am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 7:58:48am

re: #403 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Nice to think that there’s finally something that’s going to hit DT’s donor class hard. Or are there private airports fot the wealthy?

Private airfields, sadly.

EDIT: Just saw the point about Air Traffic controllers. So looks like the wealthy will not get out of this unscathed.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:01:01am

Fox - misinforming the masses since Day 1.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:03:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:04:19am

re: #416 lawhawk

Trump-Haters Triggered by Headwear.

Just go up and ask the person wearing their MAGA hat where it was made and you will see “triggered”.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:04:26am

Every day that goes by will see more rolling outages of services here and there… and over and over.

If this goes on another week or so, the slowdown at the IRS is going to get really noticeable.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:05:53am

re: #415 Eclectic Cyborg

Private airfields, sadly.

EDIT: Just saw the point about Air Traffic controllers. So looks like the wealthy will not get out of this unscathed.

ATC has to make sure big planes and little planes don’t hit each other. Regional ATC centers route traffic between airports. Local ATC handles individual airports. Private jets occupy a different “layer” of airspace from commercial flights, but eventually everybody has to get low enough to land.

CORRECTED: I caught myself writing different than. Aagh! Different from is good grammar.

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Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:07:33am

re: #413 freetoken

Well, I don’t see anything about polygraph tests in those indictments, so the argument is completely irrelevant. In fact, I’m seeing so many irrelevant false equivalences and whataboutisms of this sort being bandied about by right-wing types that I wouldn’t be surprised if by lunchtime we get to “How come Roger Stone got arrested whilst breathing oxygen but Hillary Clinton didn’t and SHE ALSO BREATHES OXYGEN!!! DEEPSTATE!!!1!!1!!ELEVNTY!!!11!”

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:07:48am

Well, the IRS claims it can do business as usual:

irs.gov

But I have to think that this is a very optimistic view.

Notice that the statement is that the IRS thinks it can do this… probably at the behest of he-who-think-you-should-eat-cake-bought-on-borrowed-money.

But I wonder what will happen as the comptroller starts to notice that checks are being written without money on the ledger?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:08:41am

re: #417 freetoken

I fear the odds of a collision or near-collision are still pretty high. It means pilots are going to have to be very observant if conditions allow for visual confirmation of traffic.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:11:49am

re: #416 lawhawk

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Fox - misinforming the masses since Day 1.

Aren’t you the people destroying razors over ads and want Muslim headdress banned?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:12:05am

re: #423 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I fear the odds of a collision or near-collision are still pretty high. It means pilots are going to have to be very observant if conditions allow for visual confirmation of traffic.

So let’s say there’s a collision and 300 people die. NTSB can’t investigate because shutdown.

Would that be enough to end this madness and get the government open again?

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:12:32am

Read this whole thread:

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:13:13am
Accordingly, in a shutdown during the filing season, the IRS must except additional positions beyond those identified in the Non-Filing Season Plan. In the event the lapse extends beyond five (5) business days, the Deputy Commissioner for Operations Support will direct the IRS Human Capital Officer to reassess ongoing activities and identify necessary adjustments of excepted positions and personnel.

Note how they skip the little problem of what happens when workers who have missed several paychecks start to not to show up to work?

The Commissioner for Operations Support can dictate all they want, but they are not in a position to do much… other than order the human capital officer to fire those who don’t show up…. but then there won’t be employees trained to handle the work.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:13:30am

re: #410 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Like lawhawk said, these delays are going to gum up air traffic everywhere. International flights are going to be affected, too.

Yes, and me too if it goes on much longer, but it’s time someone beyond 800,000 federal workers, their families and the people they do business with feels some of the pain.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:13:37am

re: #425 Eclectic Cyborg

So let’s say there’s a collision and 300 people die. NTSB can’t investigate because shutdown.

Would that be enough to end this madness and get the government open again?

The GOP literally has a death wish upon them.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:16:12am

re: #421 Alephnaught

Well, I don’t see anything about polygraph tests in those indictments, so the argument is completely irrelevant. In fact, I’m seeing so many irrelevant false equivalences and whataboutisms of this sort being bandied about by right-wing types that I wouldn’t be surprised if by lunchtime we get to “How come Roger Stone got arrested whilst breathing oxygen but Hillary Clinton didn’t and SHE ALSO BREATHES OXYGEN!!! DEEPSTATE!!!1!!1!!ELEVNTY!!!11!”

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems mushy about punishing criminal activities.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:17:12am

At this point, Mitch is just asking for a major disaster, but he’s too arrested in being proven right to relent even if a disaster occurred.

This literally could end with a storming of the Senate chambers by an angry mob. Which would probably be justified at this point.

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:18:17am

Those air traffic controllers are supposed to be working too… but as time goes by it is clear that some will not show up, or decide to retire (if they are able), use built up sick leave, etc.

There is no magic here - it takes people to get things done, and Trump doesn’t care.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:19:09am

re: #432 freetoken

There is no magic here - it takes people to get things done, and Trump doesn’t care.

Yeah. People who usually like being paid.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:20:21am

I really like Warren’s wealth tax proposal.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:21:05am
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Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:21:14am

re: #431 Myron Falwell

I hope all the idiots who voted against Donnelly, Heitkamp, McCaskill, and Nelson are happy.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:21:22am

re: #432 freetoken

Those air traffic controllers are supposed to be working too… but as time goes by it is clear that some will not show up, or decide to retire (if they are able), use built up sick leave, etc.

There is no magic here - it takes people to get things done, and Trump doesn’t care.

This morning may have been a test run for a major disruption forthcoming.

It’s not Trump that doesn’t care. That’s baked in. All this is on Mitch… HE doesn’t care and needs to be blasted into infinity for failing to end this through his own stubborn pride, long after he clearly lost and continues to lose.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:21:51am

I’ve lost track of the alternate reality in which “Hillary Clinton is a liar too so why doesn’t she get arrested.” What are they babbling about?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:21:54am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:22:10am

re: #427 freetoken

Note how they skip the little problem of what happens when workers who have missed several paychecks start to not to show up to work?

The Commissioner for Operations Support can dictate all they want, but they are not in a position to do much… other than order the human capital officer to fire those who don’t show up…. but then there won’t be employees trained to handle the work.

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Its hard to hire scabs to work for free.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:22:30am

I wonder how many Federal workers will end up with ruined credit ratings because of this stupid shutdown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:22:57am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

Greatest Witch Hunt in the History of our Country! NO COLLUSION! Border Coyotes, Drug Dealers and Human Traffickers are treated better. Who alerted CNN to be there?

And that calls for a double shot in our drinking game…

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freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:22:58am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:23:02am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

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Waaaah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:23:25am

re: #441 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how many Federal workers will end up with ruined credit ratings because of this stupid shutdown.

You knew this job was dangerous when you took it.

/

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:23:28am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

What the hell did I just read?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:23:28am

Let’s be clear there is NO WAY any government can continue to function seamlessly and without any disruption from an INSTANTANEOUS loss of 800,000 employees

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:23:41am

re: #441 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how many Federal workers will end up with ruined credit ratings because of this stupid shutdown.

Maybe this should be the topic of some future legislation.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:24:22am

re: #443 freetoken

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Your side didn’t even give Garland a hearing. Kavanaugh got one. Stop fucking willingly confusing a confirmation hearing/job interview with a trial you stupid fucks.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:24:26am

re: #447 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Let’s be clear there is NO WAY any government can continue to function seamlessly and without any disruption from an INSTANTANEOUS loss of 800,000 employees

It’s not functioning seamlessly now. Far, far from it, actually.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:25:04am

re: #446 Eclectic Cyborg

What the hell did I just read?

Something about how drug dealers are treated better than his co conspirator Stone.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:25:05am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

He sounds more like Gertrude Stein every day:

Once in English they said America. Was it English to them.
Once they said Belgian.
We like a fog.
Do you for weather.
Are we brave.
Are we true.
Have we the national colour.
Can we stand ditches.
Can we mean well.
Do we talk together.
Have we red cross.
A great many people speak of feet.
And socks.

(Would have said ee cummings, but…Capitalization.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:26:05am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Something about how drug dealers are treated better than his co conspirator Stone.

reference to those operating with impunity on our unprotected southern border, of course…

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:26:19am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:26:20am

QTurds want to Shoot A Cop

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:26:26am

Apologies to everybody I haven’t updinged for the last few hundred comments—I get dumped onto the front page every time. The avalanche is starting! Yippee!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:26:29am

re: #439 The Vicious Babushka

BORDER COYOTES!!!

PRAYER RUGS!!!!

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:27:36am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

QTurds want to Shoot A Cop

“Why don’t cops just stick to killing arresting black people?”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:27:49am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

QTurds want to Shoot A Cop

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Well, so much for the “Thin blue line” crap, huh?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:28:02am

When you commit “process crimes”, do you get locked up in prison prison?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:28:19am

re: #453 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

reference to those operating with impunity on our unprotected southern border, of course…

If only we had an organization called a Border Patrol, or something like that.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:28:33am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

QTurds want to Shoot A Cop

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They weren’t thugs when Kaepernick was kneeling over people being murdered. Stone wasn’t manhandled you hypocritical pieces of shit.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:28:52am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

QTurds

This is very good.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:29:21am

re: #401 Alephnaught

More

More parsed statements:

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Statement from Jay Sekulow, counselor to the president, on today’s news: ‘The indictment today does not allege Russian collusion by Roger Stone or anyone else. Rather, the indictment focuses on alleged false statements Mr. Stone made to Congress.’

Dude, some guy in my town was arrested last night
You could make the exact same statement about him

Meaningless wrt whether trump did anything or not

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:32:35am

re: #449 HappyWarrior

Your side didn’t even give Garland a hearing. Kavanaugh got one. Stop fucking willingly confusing a confirmation hearing/job interview with a trial you stupid fucks.

Garland never got a meeting

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:33:05am

re: #464 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Dude, some guy in my town was arrested last night
You could make the exact same statement about him

Meaningless wrt whether trump did anything or not

It’s not different how they view climate change. If Mueller doesn’t arrest someone for directly meeting with Putin, no collusion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:33:14am

re: #465 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Garland never got a meeting

Yep.

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:34:10am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:34:36am

re: #456 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Apologies to everybody I haven’t updinged for the last few hundred comments—I get dumped onto the front page every time. The avalanche is starting! Yippee!

That happened to me a while back. It went away eventually, but I’m afraid I have no reason why. Teleskiguy (I think) said clearing caches fixed it for him.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:34:37am

re: #436 Interesting Times

I hope all the idiots who voted against Donnelly, Heitkamp, McCaskill, and Nelson are happy.

You’re assuming waaaaaay too much about Florida Man®.

But a serious question, as I’m not capable of looking it up right now: can a sitting senator be recalled by popular vote?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:35:30am

Copied from Disqus:

“A caravan of Trump Crime Family members has been spotted heading toward the Mexico border trying to possibly defect to Russia from there.”

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:36:03am

re: #438 jaunte

I’ve lost track of the alternate reality in which “Hillary Clinton is a liar too so why doesn’t she get arrested.” What are they babbling about?

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems confused about how indictments work.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:36:04am

re: #450 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not functioning seamlessly now. Far, far from it, actually.

Oh I wasn’t suggesting that at all

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:36:48am

re: #468 jaunte

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You don’t know too much about arrests do you Dave? Pretty standard procedure is what you saw. You and your son should go eat glue and let the adults talk.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:36:52am

re: #470 Myron Falwell

You’re assuming waaaaaay too much about Florida Man®.

But a serious question, as I’m not capable of looking it up right now: can a sitting senator be recalled by popular vote?

No. He or she can be impeached, though. Or forced to resign because of really nasty revelations, like a dead girl or a live boy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:37:15am

re: #472 Sir John Barron

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems confused about how indictments work.

They think it means shooting HRC on the spot.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:37:26am

re: #447 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Let’s be clear there is NO WAY any government can continue to function seamlessly and without any disruption from an INSTANTANEOUS loss of 800,000 employees

There’s no way any business can operate when a huge chunk of the people who do the day-to-day work are suddenly not there.

Trump’s awful business acumen again comes into focus. He doesn’t care about any of this - he just thinks he’s winning and blaming others when he fails. He doesn’t negotiate; he extorts or bullies, and then folds when he can’t get his way. He’s boxed in by his own actions, and Mueller’s continuing to roll up indictments that directly implicate everyone in Trumpworld for malfeasance and criminal acts involving foreign agents and foreign powers (Russia among them).

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:37:32am

re: #456 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Apologies to everybody I haven’t updinged for the last few hundred comments—I get dumped onto the front page every time. The avalanche is starting! Yippee!

You mean, when you try to upding you get dumped onto the front page?

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:37:54am

re: #472 Sir John Barron

I think Sarah Sanders tried to deflect to Hillary’s supposed misdeeds this morning, and I realized I just can’t keep up with both real world events and the RWNJ imagined events.

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retired cynic  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:38:02am

OMFG! Not in a zillion years!

Vertigineuse cathédrale de Strasbourg

Vertiginous Strasbourg Cathedral
Published on Nov 27, 2018
At the beginning of winter, the companions of the Notre Dame Foundation climb up the spire of Strasbourg Cathedral for a high-risk mission. Excerpt from the show “Roots and Wings: A winter in Alsace” broadcast on 28/11/2018.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:38:13am

re: #454 jaunte

I wouldn’t be surprised in the next few days if the Democrats in unison* all show solidarity for the federal workers by encouraging them to all walk off the job.

*not named Joe Manchin

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:38:35am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:39:07am

re: #482 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

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How terrible.///

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jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:39:32am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:40:31am

re: #475 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

No. He or she can be impeached, though. Or forced to resign because of really nasty revelations, like a dead girl or a live boy.

Gotcha. Another dumb question: can the House impeach a sitting senator(s)?

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Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:40:37am

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:42:34am

re: #485 Myron Falwell

Gotcha. Another dumb question: can the House impeach a sitting senator(s)?

I’d have to look it up to be sure, but the House does the investigation and the Senate tries.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:43:10am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

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Knowing how much your pal Stone loves attention, it wouldn’t be crazy to suggest he did.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:43:40am

re: #487 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’d have to look it up to be sure, but the House does the investigation and the Senate tries.

Basically the House is a grand jury and the Senate is the jury.

490
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:44:31am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

Yeah, how come the FBI isn’t arresting drug dealers and BORDER COYOTES and human traffickers?

////

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Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:45:06am

re: #468 jaunte

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It’s amazing to me that the Wohls have the blue check mark…

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Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:45:36am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

My dude is complaining about how his buddy was arrested. That’s never a good look.

493
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:45:54am

re: #485 Myron Falwell

Gotcha. Another dumb question: can the House impeach a sitting senator(s)?

No. The Senate can expel one of its own, just as the House can. Article I, Section 5, clause 2 of the US Constitution. It would require a vote of 2/3 approving removal in the respective chamber.

494
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:46:00am

re: #490 Sir John Barron

Yeah, how come the FBI isn’t arresting drug dealers and BORDER COYOTES and human traffickers?

////

I wish I was younger because I would start a heavy metal band and call it: Border Coyotes.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:46:11am

re: #487 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

re: #489 HappyWarrior

The way Mitch and his comrades are refusing to do the obvious, that could be considered dereliction of duty. Especially if people wind up dying due to this malfeasance.

Even if it’s a show trial that goes nowhere, I’d still go for it to send a message.

Edit: well then, according to re: #493 lawhawk

496
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:46:13am

re: #491 Mike Lamb

Not for credibility, but for shit-stirring ability.

497
ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:46:40am

re: #327 Sir John Barron

C’mon, man. Gotta be up early during Infrastructure Weeks.

But but but…I was up late with infrastructure week.

I was rewatching that awesome Senator Michael Bennet Cruz/Freedumb/GOP takedown speech after watching Lawrence and even The 11th hour.

So much to keep up with. Like today. I do some stuff, come back and there are another hundred comments!

498
bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:47:23am

re: #491 Mike Lamb

It’s amazing to me that the Wohls have the blue check mark…

Someone might writing sane stuff under their identity thus ruining their reputations.

499
makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:47:52am

re: #459 Eclectic Cyborg

Well, so much for the “Thin blue line” crap, huh?

Blue Lives Matter - except for those blue lives.

500
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:47:54am

re: #462 HappyWarrior

They weren’t thugs when Kaepernick was kneeling over people being murdered. Stone wasn’t manhandled you hypocritical pieces of shit.

You are just not supposed to treat rich white Republicans that was, no matter what they might have done.

/

501
Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:48:09am

Posted this in response to Thanos’ post on the arrest of Roger Stone. The ratfucker is squealing like a stuck pig!

After he was arrested, someone with access to his Instagram account posted this crazy meme

Die in prison, you slimy ratfucker. Die staring at bare concrete walls.

Note at the end: THE GRIFT.

Always the grift, with these people…

(Also the Gestapo reference. Hysterical self-pity. They love it when brown people have their doors kicked in. Not so much when they are held to account.)

502
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:48:16am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

Greatest Witch Hunt in History is finding a lot of witches.

503
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:48:36am

re: #476 HappyWarrior

They think it means shooting HRC on the spot.

THIS.

No investigation. No trial. No jury.

Just a judgement and an execution.

504
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:50:17am

Stone has been released on 250k Bond.

505
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:50:23am

Roger Stone: Arrest Me, Libtards

Libtards: Mission Accomplished

506
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:51:08am

re: #466 HappyWarrior

It’s not different how they view climate change. If Mueller doesn’t arrest someone for directly meeting with Putin, no collusion.

Collusion is a naturally occurring process that humans have no influence on.

507
Decatur Deb  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:53:19am

re: #480 retired cynic

Seemed to be evaluating the restoration effort or changing out an air-quality instrument?

508
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:53:59am

re: #505 Dr. Matt

Roger Stone: Arrest Me, Libtards

Libtards: Mission Accomplished Roger that.

;-)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:55:37am

re: #501 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

After he was arrested, someone with access to his Instagram account posted this crazy meme

(Also the Gestapo reference. Hysterical self-pity. They love it when brown people have their doors kicked in. Not so much when they are held to account.)

another shot

510
HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:57:07am

re: #504 Eclectic Cyborg

Stone has been released on 250k Bond.

Totally like the Gestapo said no one who actually knows the Gestapo.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:58:19am

They’re fine with families being separated over applying for asylum but because Roger is one of Trump’s toadies he shouldn’t be investigated let alone arrested.

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bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:59:10am

re: #504 Eclectic Cyborg

Stone has been released on 250k Bond.

JUST LIKE Q PREDICTED…..IT’S ALL COMING TOGETHER!

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ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 8:59:51am

re: #385 Myron Falwell

By Monday, Mitch may be wishing he wasn’t the Senate majority leader.

He may get his wish. He is getting closer and closer to pissing off his GOP Senate buddies and who knows, maybe they do take up a vote for a new leader.

By the way. I can see a complete stoppage of air travel and shipping by the end of the weekend.

If anyone can make a huge change in this country right now, it is the air traffic controllers all walking out. That will grind this country to a halt and piss everyone off.

I hope Trump has his excuses for that ready. But, they will far short no matter how hard he tries.

514
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:00:59am

re: #510 HappyWarrior

Totally like the Gestapo said no one who actually knows the Gestapo.

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems might sensitive over how criminal suspects are treated.

515
Jay C  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:01:03am

re: #470 Myron Falwell

You’re assuming waaaaaay too much about Florida Man®.

But a serious question, as I’m not capable of looking it up right now: can a sitting senator be recalled by popular vote?

Short answer: no.

At least AFAIK. I imagine any “recall” provisions would be a matter of state law. And I don’t think any state has such a provision for US Senators.

516
Jay C  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:03:50am

re: #514 Sir John Barron

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems might sensitive over how White Republican criminal suspects are treated.

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lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:04:52am

re: #516 Jay C

The Lock Her Up crowd sure seems might sensitive over how White Republican criminal suspects are treated.

That’s the Department of Redundancy Department, since white and Republican have been going hand in hand now for decades.

518
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:07:05am

The deplorables are raging as expected.

What are they going to do when Mueller works up the food chain?

And, what will happen after Schiff et.al. open the can of works the Republicans in the House were trying to close?

519
prairiefire  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:07:25am

Happy Felony Friday, lizards!

520
ipsos  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:07:53am

My god, 2019 has been an insane year. Glad it’s already Decembe —

— uhhhh….

521
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:08:29am
522
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:08:49am

re: #478 Sir John Barron

You mean, when you try to upding you get dumped onto the front page?

Right. It’s happened a number of times before and we just had to wait for Charles to work his magic (voodoo?) to fix it.

523
Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:09:31am

re: #485 Myron Falwell

Gotcha. Another dumb question: can the House impeach a sitting senator(s)?

Impeachment follows the same path for anyone: Impeached by the House, tried by the Senate.

524
Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:11:03am

re: #493 lawhawk

No. The Senate can expel one of its own, just as the House can. Article I, Section 5, clause 2 of the US Constitution. It would require a vote of 2/3 approving removal in the respective chamber.

The House can impeach, but impeach does not mean convicted. Clinton was impeached, the Senate just didn’t convict and remove him.

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calochortus  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:11:37am

re: #521 jaunte

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LOL. We had the “alarm” (clock radio) set this morning, so we woke up to “Roger Stone has been arrested” too-though without the “honey, wake up” part. It was a great start to the day.

526
jimmyvluv4u  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:11:39am

ATL now being officially delayed for air traffic controller staffing at ZJX.

527
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:11:45am

re: #520 ipsos

Thank god it’s … checks calendar FRIDAY. Whew.. jumped the gun earlier this week.

Current mood:

Art Of Noise - Dragnet ‘88 (Art Of Noise 12” Mix)

528
Danack  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:12:04am

re: #479 jaunte

I realized I just can’t keep up with both real world events and the RWNJ imagined events.

Working as intended.

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makeitstop  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:14:04am

re: #521 jaunte

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Indeed! My wife woke me with the news. It was a great way to start the day.

On her way out the door, I wished her a Happy Stone Got Arrested Day. :)

530
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:14:20am

re: #524 Belafon

The House can impeach, but impeach does not mean convicted. Clinton was impeached, the Senate just didn’t convict and remove him.

Separate issue.

Removal of members of Congress isn’t handled in same manner as impeachment.

Impeachment requires articles of impeachment by house and vote by Senate for removal. Impeachment applies to Executive and Judiciary.

Removal is handled in-chamber. House can vote to remove a Rep by 2/3 vote. Senate can vote to remove Senator by 2/3 vote.

531
retired cynic  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:17:13am

I am so enjoying the news of the day! And this:

A Burst of Deep Sea Fireworks: A Rare Jellyfish Filmed by the E/V Nautilus
thisiscolossal.com

532
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:18:23am

re: #521 jaunte

This morning I learned the best way to wake up is a gentle shake from the one you love whispering “honey wake up roger stone has been arrested”

Still recovering from “honey wake up, Trump has been elected President!”

(reminder, I live in Europe and did not get final results until following morning)

533
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:19:12am

re: #526 jimmyvluv4u

ATL now being officially delayed for air traffic controller staffing at ZJX.

“The Super Bowl has been cancelled as both teams, Maroon 5 and the media supposed to cover it weren’t able to travel to ATL by air.”

534
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:20:16am

re: #530 lawhawk

Separate issue.

Removal of members of Congress isn’t handled in same manner as impeachment.

Impeachment requires articles of impeachment by house and vote by Senate for removal. Impeachment applies to Executive and Judiciary.

Removal is handled in-chamber. House can vote to remove a Rep by 2/3 vote. Senate can vote to remove Senator by 2/3 vote.

Does this theoretically means that if any party gets a 2/3 majority, it can vote to remove everyone else?

535
Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:20:20am

re: #526 jimmyvluv4u

ATL now being officially delayed for air traffic controller staffing at ZJX.

It’s these ripple effects that make me think the estimates on the negative impacts of the shutdown on the economy have been wildly understated.

536
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:20:34am
537
Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:20:53am

re: #530 lawhawk

Separate issue.

Removal of members of Congress isn’t handled in same manner as impeachment.

Impeachment requires articles of impeachment by house and vote by Senate for removal. Impeachment applies to Executive and Judiciary.

Removal is handled in-chamber. House can vote to remove a Rep by 2/3 vote. Senate can vote to remove Senator by 2/3 vote.

OK. Yeah, each chamber can remove separately from impeachment. I was very focused on the impeachment issue, which can be done to Congresspeople, at least in principle.

538
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:21:03am

It wouldn’t happen, but the thought that the Super Bowl could be hung out to dry — or deeply impacted — because of this would not be good at all.

539
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:21:32am

re: #534 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Theoretically, yeah.

540
calochortus  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:21:53am

re: #533 Myron Falwell

“The Super Bowl has been cancelled as both teams, Maroon 5 and the media supposed to cover it weren’t able to travel to ATL by air.”

Have they no buses?
/

Anyway, I need to head out for a dental appt. (Just routine hygiene, nothing major.)
Catch you all later.

541
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:23:01am

re: #538 Myron Falwell

It wouldn’t happen, but the thought that the Super Bowl could be hung out to dry — or deeply impacted — because of this would not be good at all.

Yeah, we can fuck over the FAA workers and IRS agents, but anyone gets in the way of the NFL and a football game better watch for the knives to come out.

Sad, but accurate.

542
Patricia Kayden  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:23:54am
543
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:24:10am

re: #539 lawhawk

Theoretically, yeah.

Wow…time to get gerrymandering!

544
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:25:02am

re: #542 Patricia Kayden

SHUTDOWN PROBLEMS SNOWBALLING: At least 14,000 unpaid IRS workers did not show up for work as broad disruption hits tax agency, according to House aides

Let’s all make it worse by sending in our tax returns early this year!!!

545
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:26:10am

“Fox insider” email just arrived:

546
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:27:21am

re: #536 freetoken

COYOTES!!!! DUCT TAPE!!!!

547
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:27:24am

Live Feed at the Courthouse

YouTube

548
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:27:37am

ALMOST NO CRIMES!!!

549
Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:27:44am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Just watched the CNN video on the arrest, and here’s my thoughts.

[snip]

[Embedded content]

The FBI wanted the media to see this arrest. They want the public to see the arrest. They’re sending a clear message to Trump: we are coming after you and your cronies, and we will do it for the public to see, because you guys are criminals. So, someone high up the command gave CNN the scoop and/or permission to film the arrest.

Trump ought to sweating bullets now. He’s pissed off the wrong people.

Embedded journalists.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:28:16am

re: #540 calochortus

Have they no buses?
/

Rachel Phelps wasn’t going to loan the LA Rams her Indians Express bus. /

551
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:28:18am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Live Feed at the Courthouse

[Embedded content]

Video

He just flashed a Nixonian double peace sign. Kid you not.

552
Mike Lamb  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:28:21am

re: #545 jaunte

“Fox insider” email just arrived:

[Embedded content]

Riddle me this…what’s the rationale for all the fucking lying then? And witness tampering?

553
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:28:29am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Live Feed at the Courthouse

[Embedded content]

Larger

Keep talking….

554
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:29:28am

“Breaking into his house”

FFS

555
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:29:36am

re: #545 jaunte

“Fox insider” email just arrived:

[Embedded content]

Thank, dog, I was waiting for my talking points…..

556
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:29:58am

re: #552 Mike Lamb

Almost no [fill in the blank] is going to do a lot of work in the near future.

557
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:30:01am

re: #551 Dr. Matt

He just flashed a Nixonian double peace sign. Kid you not.

hahahahaha Gerald Ford ain’t saving you this time lolololololololollll

558
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:30:05am

re: #535 Mike Lamb

It’s these ripple effects that make me think the estimates on the negative impacts of the shutdown on the economy have been wildly understated.

Yep. When this is all over and the real impact becomes clear, we’re going hate Republicans more than we ever thought possible.

559
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:30:55am
560
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:30:57am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Live Feed at the Courthouse

[Embedded content]

Video

Chants of “lock him up” are drowning out Roger.

561
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:30:59am

“Look at all the places I DIDN’T bury bodies.”

562
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:31:08am

re: #554 Dr. Matt

“Breaking into his house”

FFS

Yeah cops, SWAT, FBI, they never break into suspected criminals’ houses.

////

563
ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:32:29am

re: #536 freetoken

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I think it would be a big mistake for Trump to declare any kind of presidential actions like an emergency to build a wall until we get the Mueller report so we can find out what the hell is going on!

Shutdown Trump!

564
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:32:29am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Live Feed at the Courthouse

[Embedded content]

Video

Please dear Dog, I hope he brings up HRC.

565
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:33:18am

re: #558 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. When this is all over and the real impact becomes clear, we’re going hate Republicans more than we ever thought possible.

Heck, there may be Republicans that actually come to their senses and hate what their party hath wroght on them /

566
gwangung  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:33:43am

Heh.

567
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:33:46am

re: #547 Dr. Matt

Live Feed at the Courthouse

[Embedded content]

Video

Remember this:

“I am one of his [DJT] oldest friends”
~Roger Stone, Jan 25, 2019 12:33 PM

568
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:36:46am

Okay, so it’s Randy Credico that’s the radio host cited here in the indictment. (I had no idea he even existed until this morning)

That does NOT mean Alex Jones and Lumpy are off the hook. Imo.

569
Dr. Matt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:37:27am

Welcome to America 2019

570
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:37:54am

It is GLORIOUS hearing the crowd yell LOCK HIM UP!

571
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:38:22am

re: #569 Dr. Matt

Well, that’s until his lawyers see the evidence against him, and it’ll go from not guilty to no contest.

572
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:38:23am

re: #566 gwangung

Heh.

That we have to explain that the arrest was not “over the top” goes to show how successful wingnut media and their public officials have been at bullying us.

573
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:38:31am
574
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:39:07am

Eric Thomas:

The Roger Stone FBI Raid Footage Is Already 2019’s Best Film

“…Even though this footage of a bunch of people running around in tactical gear looks like the Twitch stream of someone who is not great at Call of Duty, I have still watched it 20 times. They really sent in Seal Team Six to take down retired Batman nemesis Roger Stone, who, according to court records, is 600 years old and legally “more of a construct than a person at this point.” Stunning!

I also love the commentary that the anchors have to give to this murky outtake from Zero Dark Thirty. “This is just remarkable. He said ‘FBI! Open the door!’”

“What do you think that means, Jan?”

“Well, Chuck, I’m getting reports that these people are from the Federal Bureau of Investigations and they want—hold on… Yup, word is coming in that they want him to… open the door.”

“Astounding.”

“What you are watching here has never been seen before, folks.”

The footage, unfortunately, does not include the sight of Roger Stone padding out on to the lawn in his bedtime ensemble, which I assume is a custom three-piece pajama suit, steam-punk goggles for seeing the phantasms in the dark, and a Wee Willy Winkie hat.”

575
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:40:58am

re: #570 Joe Bacon 🌹

It is GLORIOUS hearing the crowd yell LOCK HIM UP!

:D

576
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:41:08am

re: #568 Myron Falwell

Okay, so it’s Randy Credico that’s the radio host cited here in the indictment. (I had no idea he even existed until this morning)

That does NOT mean Alex Jones and Lumpy are off the hook. Imo.

The cesspool of wingnut radio hosts is bottomless.

577
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:41:19am
578
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:41:23am

re: #574 jaunte

Wonkette and The Onion are going to have a very high bar to overcome if they’re going to try and satirize this.

579
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:42:28am

Dumbass blinked:

580
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:44:18am

re: #579 lawhawk

Dumbass blinked:

I was expecting National Emergency

581
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:45:47am

2 or 3 weeks of govt. being open isn’t going to fix the problem. The workers will be seeking more certain employment.

582
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:45:47am
583
ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:45:50am

re: #568 Myron Falwell

Okay, so it’s Randy Credico that’s the radio host cited here in the indictment. (I had no idea he even existed until this morning)

That does NOT mean Alex Jones and Lumpy are off the hook. Imo.

Credico has been on Ari Melber’s The Beat several times over the last year. He is close to Stone. But, Credico is slick and hard to pin down. He is all over the place politically so it is hard to say he is a wingnut. He does seem to figure into the Stone mess because he has admitted he was in contact with him about DNC emails, etc.

584
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:46:13am
585
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:46:36am

“Sandy” asks me a question… but then blocks me before I can answer.

586
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:47:51am

re: #584 Myron Falwell

Pelosi should hold out for fully funding the fiscal year.

587
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:48:04am

re: #582 freetoken

Oh good we’re back to WE DON’T KNOW WHO THIS STONE GUY IS.

588
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:48:20am

re: #585 freetoken

“Sandy” asks me a question… but then blocks me before I can answer.

Check mate libtard!

589
ObserverArt  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:50:12am

re: #585 freetoken

“Sandy” asks me a question… but then blocks me before I can answer.

She probably decided she didn’t want to hear an answer. It is easier to walk around not knowing anything. That is how we got into this mess anyway. Too many “Sandy” types that didn’t want to know about Trump other than he hated who they hated.

590
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:50:50am

Shutting down the government to own the Libs…but you end up owning yourself.

591
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:52:32am

re: #586 freetoken

Pelosi should hold out for fully funding the fiscal year.

She could easily extract that from them. This is like the Golden State Warriors vs. the Little Sisters of the Poor’s second string.

592
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:52:35am

re: #554 Dr. Matt

“Breaking into his house”

FFS

another shot

593
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:54:03am

Be pretty funny; no, historically ironic; if Alex Jones and Jerome Corsi go down for conspiracy.

594
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:54:12am
595
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:54:50am

re: #542 Patricia Kayden

SHUTDOWN PROBLEMS SNOWBALLING: At least 14,000 unpaid IRS workers did not show up for work as broad disruption hits tax agency, according to House aides

the reason i made the comment above about ‘seamlessly’ re: #447 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

was to emphasize two points

- clearly things arent running seamlessly (i didnt think i had to point that out)
- all these ham handed attempts to ‘fix’ some problems - to sort of minimize or hide the damage and inconvenience - like the irs, maybe air traffic, whatever, arent going to work

the fbi issued a report/assessment
the letter from the 5 former secy’s of state
et al

they are trying to band-aid a gushing wound in hopes nobody sees it

596
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:55:42am

re: #573 freetoken

Typical Liberals shouting over Roger Stone. None of them even care what he has to say. Bunch of Kindergarten kids

what about stone’s free speech rights?
//

597
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:56:18am

re: #590 Eclectic Cyborg

Shutting down the government to own the Libs…but you end up owning yourself.

As @TheRickWilson put it, “The Shart of the Deal”

598
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:57:17am

re: #581 jaunte

2 or 3 weeks of govt. being open isn’t going to fix the problem. The workers will be seeking more certain employment.

exactly this

599
TedStriker  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:58:24am

re: #598 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

exactly this

Which is what “conservatives” (and “libertarians”) ultimately want.

600
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:58:31am

re: #596 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

what about stone’s free speech rights?
//

BWWWAAAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAH

601
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:58:33am

re: #586 freetoken

Pelosi should hold out for fully funding the fiscal year.

i think that’ll come next

“we wont do another 3 week thing. here’s a clean CR. oh, and did i say ‘no wall’”

602
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:59:26am
603
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 9:59:52am

re: #549 Eventual Carrion

Embedded journalists.

CNN saying they had no tip. They saw unusual activity at the Grand Jury and put two and two together and staked out Stone’s house. A neighbor has confirmed CNN has been camping at Stone’s place almost every Thursday for weeks waiting for him to get frog marched.

604
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:00:52am

re: #585 freetoken

“Sandy” asks me a question… but then blocks me before I can answer.

Probably another Russian Troll.

605
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:01:54am

re: #601 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i think that’ll come next

“we wont do another 3 week thing. here’s a clean CR. oh, and did i say ‘no wall’”

Speaker Pelosi has all the leverage now and all of the cards, and Mitch may not be able to stop her.

606
Interesting Times  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:03:48am
607
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:05:20am

From JRube:

Regardless of the luridness, no one — including Trump’s dead-enders in the right-wing media — should fail to recognize how serious this is. We have collusion between Stone and WikiLeaks about a crime, stealing emails, and between Stone and a Trump campaign senior official about that activity. We will see which characters, if any, committed which crimes. But the president is a hair’s breadth from being implicated in collusion (or knowledge of collusion). His efforts and all these associates’ lies now make more sense.

608
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:05:40am

“WHEREA”

RNC lashing itself to the sinking ship.

609
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:07:07am

re: #605 Myron Falwell

Speaker Pelosi has all the leverage now and all of the cards, and Mitch may not be able to stop her.

a 2-3 week solution would just ease pressure on Mitch and Donald

610
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:07:58am

Look at the timestamp. Aged like fine wine.

611
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:09:00am
612
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:09:20am

re: #608 jaunte

WHEREAS, our lips are permanently stuck to Mr. Trumps ass;

WHEREAS, most of us are in hock to Russia for hundreds of thousands of dollars;

WHEREAS, most of us don’t want the photos of us with the rent boys to be made public;

WHEREAS, we want to continue to fly our white supremacist flag undeterred;

NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED….

613
TedStriker  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:09:53am

re: #609 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a 2-3 week solution would just ease pressure on Mitch and Donald

And gets them past the Super Bowl, where the shutdown’s effects would be all over the media where even the hardcore MAGAts can’t avoid it or just wave it away.

614
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:09:56am

re: #607 Sir John Barron

From JRube:

Actually, he basically has been implicated now.

615
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:11:10am

re: #614 Scottish Dragon

Actually, he basically has been implicated now.

And finally, the lowlifes at Wikileaks being dragged back into this.

Greenwalk won’t be happy.

616
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:12:11am

Very late climbing aboard the inter-webs today.
I’m grasping that the FEDs paid a surprise visit to Roger Stone.
Did they perp-walk him, or just cart away many of his possessions?

617
Kilroy was here  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:12:17am

President is speaking at 1:30 about the shut down…

618
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:13:18am

This thread lololol

619
ericblair  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:14:01am

re: #581 jaunte

2 or 3 weeks of govt. being open isn’t going to fix the problem. The workers will be seeking more certain employment.

Trump can stick his little mushroom back in the blender in three weeks if he wants. His call.

620
Belafon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:14:13am

re: #594 jaunte

Dale Hansen of WFAA did a segment the other day where he called that out. I haven’t been able to find it on WFAA’s site yet, but he was talking about how people are complaining about the call when the government is shut down over “President Coulter’s wall.” (Yep, he called it that)

621
KGxvi  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:14:26am

re: #617 Kilroy was here

President is speaking at 1:30 about the shut down…

If there isn’t an off-script “dammit, this shutdown was supposed to stop the Mueller witch hunt, how dare they arrest my friend Roger Stone?” then is it really worth it?

622
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:14:28am

ATCs don’t need a temporary reopening. They need a functioning government.

623
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:14:49am

re: #607 Sir John Barron

From JRube:

i want to add to the above:

there is a witness ready to testify before congress claiming (with some credibility ie tweets(!)) that he and his family have been intimidated by the President of the United States

this
is
fucking
huge

624
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:15:31am

re: #616 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Very late climbing aboard the inter-webs today.
I’m grasping that the FEDs paid a surprise visit to Roger Stone.
Did they perp-walk him, or just cart away many of his possessions?

Both. They perp walked him in Florida, and carted away possessions from his NY apartment.

625
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:15:43am

re: #608 jaunte

“WHEREA”

[Embedded content]

RNC lashing itself to the sinking ship.

what “national committee” ever needed to do this before?

626
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:16:09am

re: #616 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Very late climbing aboard the inter-webs today.
I’m grasping that the FEDs paid a surprise visit to Roger Stone.
Did they perp-walk him, or just cart away many of his possessions?

CNN had a hunch and they were able to videotape his perpwalk at 6am. Out on $250K bond, restricted travel, his press conference was a hilarious dumpster fire in which everyone chanted “LOCK HIM UP”

627
Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:17:00am

“Person 2” is Randy Credico.

Raw Story September 7, 2018

“Credico says he didn’t talk to or have a relationship with Assange until Assange first did his radio show on August 25, 2016,” she writes. “He has emails that lend credence to his claim. By that date, Stone had already made a number of claims of contact with Assange.”

628
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:17:03am

re: #621 KGxvi

If there isn’t an off-script “dammit, this shutdown was supposed to stop the Mueller witch hunt, how dare they arrest my friend Roger Stone?” then is it really worth it?

“Because Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer are being completely unreasonable and I no longer wish to see our great federal workers suffer. I am going to endorse a three week continuing resolution to reopen the government. If I don’t get $7 Billion for the wall between now and then well…we’ll see what happens. Also, WITCH HUNT!”

629
freetoken  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:17:04am

Trumpers trying to be too clever:

630
Sir John Barron  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:17:12am

re: #618 Myron Falwell

This thread lololol

What could go wrong?

631
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:18:17am

Odds on Trump pardoning Stone?

632
KGxvi  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:18:19am

re: #607 Sir John Barron

From JRube:

But the president is a hair’s breadth from being implicated in collusion (or knowledge of collusion).

Important thing to keep in mind, in the law it doesn’t necessarily matter that you didn’t know something was illegal or unlawful (criminal vs civil distinction) but rather if you knew or should have known that something was illegal or unlawful. One would think that people running a presidential campaign from a major political party should have known that the stuff they were doing was illegal.

633
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:18:37am

re: #625 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

I’d have to go back and look, but I think that when there’s been an incumbent in the WH seeking a 2d term, the party tries to avoid any primary challengers. I consider that standard operating procedure. What’s insane here is that the GOP/RNC is tying itself to a corrupt and complicit criminal syndicate in the WH and are setting themselves up for a huge fail should the indictments really hit the fan in coming weeks/months.

634
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:20:05am

re: #624 lawhawk

re: #626 Myron Falwell

OK, thanks.
I had picked up that CNN had followed good journalistic instincts & practices to be on hand for the activities

635
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:20:16am
636
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:20:38am

re: #632 KGxvi

And conspiracy doesn’t necessary require every participant in the conspiracy to know all the details. Trump could direct actions, and that’s sufficient to implicate him, even if he didn’t know the specifics of where/how/when, etc.

637
goddamnedfrank  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:20:45am
638
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:21:06am

re: #609 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a 2-3 week solution would just ease pressure on Mitch and Donald

All the Senate needs to do is vote on a clean CR that the House already passed and sent to them a fucking dozen times. It’s not like the House needs to pass it again.

But I can definitely see Pelosi leading passage of a year-long budget tonight or this weekend and intentionally putting the screws on Mitch and Trump for three weeks. She can do that, they have no leverage.

639
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:21:37am
640
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:21:55am

re: #633 lawhawk

I’d have to go back and look, but I think that when there’s been an incumbent in the WH seeking a 2d term, the party tries to avoid any primary challengers. I consider that standard operating procedure. What’s insane here is that the GOP/RNC is tying itself to a corrupt and complicit criminal syndicate in the WH and are setting themselves up for a huge fail should the indictments really hit the fan in coming weeks/months.

well this is the most mealy-mouthed namby-pamby weasel-worded, ‘wholehearted endorsement’ of an incumbent president that i think i’ve ever read

641
KGxvi  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:22:51am

re: #633 lawhawk

I’d have to go back and look, but I think that when there’s been an incumbent in the WH seeking a 2d term, the party tries to avoid any primary challengers. I consider that standard operating procedure. What’s insane here is that the GOP/RNC is tying itself to a corrupt and complicit criminal syndicate in the WH and are setting themselves up for a huge fail should the indictments really hit the fan in coming weeks/months.

Yeah, we were talking about this the other day. I just looked it up and I think the GOP did the same thing in 1992 and in 2004. Even with Buchanan running in ‘92 there were no Republican primary debates.

642
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:23:18am

re: #631 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on Trump pardoning Stone?

Then Stone gets hauled before the Grand Jury and he cannot take the fifth.

643
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:23:52am

re: #631 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on Trump pardoning Stone?

Even Odds.

644
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:24:15am

re: #631 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on Trump pardoning Stone?

He should have done it last year or the year before. Doing so now implies guilt and that could tip the SCO’s hand against him.

645
Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:26:18am

re: #323 Alephnaught

Hmmm, the reaction from official Trumpsters, including Trump, appear to be “The indictment didn’t specifically mention collusion with the Russians!”.

Nothing about the the actual charges, and certainly nothing about the “high-ranking Trump official” being “directed” by someone higher up.

646
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:26:36am

re: #644 Myron Falwell

He should have done it last year or the year before. Doing so now implies guilt and that could tip the SCO’s hand against him.

Yes. Trying to pardon ppl to prevent testimony is impeachable.

647
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:27:47am

re: #645 Alephnaught

Nothing about the the actual charges, and certainly nothing about the “high-ranking Trump official” being “directed” by someone higher up.

Almost certainly Manafort directed by Trump.

648
bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:27:55am
Congressional leaders, Trump reach tentative deal to temporarily reopen government without wall funds, according to Hill officials

washingtonpost.com

so tired of winning….

649
jaunte  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:28:21am
650
KGxvi  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:28:28am

From CNN:

There are still issues over the backpay provisions that any agreement would include, one source says. Once it’s passed, lawmakers would have three weeks to reach an agreement that addresses President Trump’s border wall funding request.

If they don’t reach a deal, Trump is expected to say he’ll invoke a national emergency.

Yeah, I’m pretty sure if the Congress rejects funding Trump’s wall, any national emergency he tries to declare will be dead on arrival in the courts. That would explicitly run against the ruling in Youngstown Steel that the president has no authority to act when Congress has expressly voted against his preferred policy.

651
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:28:57am

“Temporarily open government”.

So this shit starts all over again in three weeks.

652
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:29:18am

re: #631 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on Trump pardoning Stone?

This is what I’m calling a pardon trap.

Trump pardons Stone. Pardon means Stone can’t invoke 5A for actions he took, and must answer. It means he’d likely implicate anyone and everyone else around him, from Bannon to Trump and WikiLeaks (going up and down the foodchain in both directions).

That’s the risk Trump takes of pardoning anyone in his inner circle. Pardon short circuits Mueller in one respect, but opens the door in many others.

Say Trump pardons Junior or Kushner. Mueller could then haul both in and demand testimony about all their actions and they’d lose 5A protections on the issues for which they were pardoned. That could implicate others on the conspiracy, including their dad - or open them up to new charges entirely.

That’s why pardoning his way out isn’t a good idea.

653
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:30:02am

re: #652 lawhawk

But well know Trump isn’t that smart, which is why he might just do it.

654
bd(it's all true)  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:30:44am

re: #650 KGxvi

From CNN:

Yeah, I’m pretty sure if the Congress rejects funding Trump’s wall, any national emergency he tries to declare will be dead on arrival in the courts. That would explicitly run against the ruling in Youngstown Steel that the president has no authority to act when Congress has expressly voted against his preferred policy.

[trump] WE’RE GONNA HAVE AN EMERGENCY IN 3 WEEKS! [/trump]

yep, sounds legit…

655
KGxvi  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:31:05am

re: #652 lawhawk

This is what I’m calling a pardon trap.

Trump pardons Stone. Pardon means Stone can’t invoke 5A for actions he took, and must answer. It means he’d likely implicate anyone and everyone else around him, from Bannon to Trump and WikiLeaks (going up and down the foodchain in both directions).

That’s the risk Trump takes of pardoning anyone in his inner circle. Pardon short circuits Mueller in one respect, but opens the door in many others.

Say Trump pardons Junior or Kushner. Mueller could then haul both in and demand testimony about all their actions and they’d lose 5A protections on the issues for which they were pardoned. That could implicate others on the conspiracy, including their dad - or open them up to new charges entirely.

That’s why pardoning his way out isn’t a good idea.

If they don’t testify after a pardon, they open themselves up to obstruction of justice charges, no?

(I don’t do criminal defense work, so I’m not sure how that goes)

656
lawhawk  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:35:23am

re: #655 KGxvi

I think that sounds right. It’s not like there’s a lot of examples of pardons and individuals testifying or refusing to testify across our nation’s history. Like so much with Trumpworld, we’re in uncharted territory.

657
Alephnaught  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:35:37am

re: #627 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Person 2” is Randy Credico.

[Embedded content]

Raw Story September 7, 2018

I noted that earlier in this thread. There was a direct quote in the indictment from an interview with Stone on Credico’s show that was reported at the time, and I could easily Google it and verify it. See #172

658
Myron Falwell  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:37:25am

re: #651 Eclectic Cyborg

“Temporarily open government”.

So this shit starts all over again in three weeks.

Honestly, this is a cave by Trump. Especially if he invokes the “national emergency” stunt that will automatically be DOA at the first court filing.

Speaker Pelosi stood firm, as did Schumer. Schumer should be given more credit here as he not only forced Mitch’s hand on a vote yesterday for both measures, but did so in a way that the Democrats got more votes for a clean CR than Trump’s non-starter of a deal that he negotiated with himself.

This is capitulation by Trump. He caved and brought Mitch down with him. Pelosi has the power and the leverage to fight for a year-long budget with no wall, and the odds are bigly in her favor.

659
Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:41:27am

re: #338 makeitstop

Most fun thread on Twitter right now -

[Embedded content]

30 days in the hole

660
Scottish Dragon  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:42:46am

re: #655 KGxvi

If they don’t testify after a pardon, they open themselves up to obstruction of justice charges, no?

(I don’t do criminal defense work, so I’m not sure how that goes)

Can be held in jail as long as the grand jury remains seated.

661
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:43:22am

re: #651 Eclectic Cyborg

“Temporarily open government”.

So this shit starts all over again in three weeks.

Should be a nonstarter

662
TedStriker  Jan 25, 2019 • 10:52:32am

re: #659 Eventual Carrion

30 days in the hole

Humble Pie - 30 Days In The Hole

663
Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2019 • 11:11:53am

re: #411 Egregious Philbin

Hey, remember the Arizona state representative that made all the racist remarks a few weeks back? Turns out that he got busted on 3 counts of sexual offenses. And he liked his child porn. Oh these conservative religious republicans….you can’t make this stuff up.

Link

The Lord uses the good ones, and the bad ones use the Lord.

664
Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2019 • 11:30:20am

re: #486 Dr. Matt

Conspiracy Theorist in Chief is just asking questions…..

[Embedded content]

Who alerted CNN to be there?

tRump is confused by people actually doing their jobs.

665
Eventual Carrion  Jan 25, 2019 • 11:57:17am

re: #573 freetoken

[Embedded content]

And why should they care what a lying sac of shit like him has to say. He is a fucking scumbag lair, fuck him.

666
teleskiguy  Jan 25, 2019 • 5:03:47pm

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

No. Just, no. Fuck no. Goddamn it.


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