Jason Isbell With Chris Thile and Chris Eldridge: “White Man’s World”

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With Chris Thile and Chris Eldridge

Website: jasonisbell.com

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Lyrics

I’m a white man living in a white man’s world
Under our roof is a baby girl
I thought this world could be hers one day
But her mama knew better

I’m a white man living in a white man’s town
Want to take a shot of cocaine and burn it down
Mama wants to change that Nashville sound
But they’re never gonna let her

There’s no such thing as someone else’s war
Your creature comforts aren’t the only things worth fighting for
Still breathing, it’s not too late
We’re all carrying one big burden, sharing one fate

I’m a white man living on a white man’s street
I’ve got the bones of the red man under my feet
The highway runs through their burial grounds
Past the oceans of cotton

I’m a white man looking in a black man’s eyes
Wishing I’d never been one of the guys
Who pretended not to hear another white man’s joke
Oh, the times ain’t forgotten

There’s no such thing as someone else’s war
Your creature comforts aren’t the only things worth fighting for
You’re still breathing, it’s not too late
We’re all carrying one big burden, sharing one fate

I’m a white man living in a white man’s nation
I think the man upstairs must’a took a vacation
I still have faith, but I don’t know why
Maybe it’s the fire in our little girl’s eyes
Maybe it’s the fire in our little girl’s eyes

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486 comments

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Belafon  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:08:06pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:13:02pm
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plansbandc  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:19:58pm

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:24:10pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:51:03pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Jan 27, 2019 • 8:53:51pm

Just finished this little peek at the process of how platinum scrap becomes pure platinum again. A two-minute demonstration. The fun part is it was all shot on my Samsung Galaxy Friday.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:01:03pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:09:49pm
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mmmirele  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:19:25pm

Tuition for my last semester at UTAustin (spring 1984) was $212.50 for a full load of classes. Thirty-five years later it’s between $5,000 and $6,000. I had a hell of a time finding the money for books after scraping up the $212.50.

I don’t know how people expect kids to go to college and come out with six-figure debt.

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Charmingly Persistent  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:22:06pm
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austin_blue  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:34:04pm

re: #10 Charmingly Persistent

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Seems odd that a man who has built a hugely successful business of running coffee shops seems to think that makes him a viable candidate to run the United States.

What are your policy positions? Do you have any? Or is this just hubris?

Enquiring minds, dontcha know.

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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:35:24pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Seems odd that a man who has built a hugely successful business of running coffee shops seems to think that makes him a viable candidate to run the United States.

What are your policy positions? Do you have any? Or is this just hubris?

Enquiring minds, dontcha know.

Fucker couldn’t run a sports team. He cut and ran like a dog.

He hasn’t learned a thing from that.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:37:28pm

*blink*

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Dave In Austin  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:38:27pm
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sagehen  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:39:07pm

re: #11 austin_blue

Seems odd that a man who has built a hugely successful business of running coffee shops seems to think that makes him a viable candidate to run the United States.

What are your policy positions? Do you have any? Or is this just hubris?

Enquiring minds, dontcha know.

We know his view on racism is that people should talk about it with random strangers. Remember that clusterfuck!?!

medium.com

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sagehen  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:42:31pm

re: #13 Single-handed sailor

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*blink*

There’s actually a deep-brain reason for that…

Most mammals, their younglings are easily identifiable as younglings because their heads are too big for their bodies, their eyes are too big for their heads, and our primal instinct tells us that’s OMG SO CUTE!! This happens for almost all species; and our threat responses don’t kick in.

(eta: this is why your dog will tolerate your 2-year-old pulling his tail, but if an adult tries it he snaps)

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 9:44:49pm

This is why even the NeverTrump Republicans are pure trash who should never be trusted.

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ckkatz  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:00:04pm

From last thread -

re: #260 Dave In Austin

Translation: “I got mine, F*** You”

In truth, as a nation, we cannot afford to _NOT_ educate and keep healthy our children. For we would then bankrupt our nation.

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austin_blue  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:06:21pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This is why even the NeverTrump Republicans are pure trash who should never be trusted.

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Thus my post #11.

This is obvious bulkshit and should be blasted as such to the entire world.

It’s crap, crapola, crapulosity.

Fuck him. He has no legs.

But Kamala isn’t Constitutionally eligible to run because [grumble mumble burble gasp].

Right.

Russian bots will soon be storming in to support Schultz in his obviously viable candidacy for the Democratic nomination! A million Sergei’s say yes!

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:26:13pm
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:29:03pm
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gwangung  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:34:50pm

Yup.

Gonna be more competent at it than Donnie boy.

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ckkatz  Jan 27, 2019 • 10:37:12pm

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

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“It has been noted” that the shutdown ended within hours of La Guardia being closed for domestic air traffic due to ATC (Air Traffic Controllers) being overwhelmed. Additionally, there was an article today noting that it could take 12-18 months for the IRS to get caught up from the shutdown. So, yes, you are correct.

Currently looking at indivisible.org and act.moveon.org. Looks like they may have cancelled the protests originally scheduled for Tuesday.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:03:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:25:37pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

This is why even the NeverTrump Republicans are pure trash who should never be trusted.

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Sunday afternoon, I went with two girl friends to see Vice. Have to say that I thought it was a terrific film, reminiscent in style to another favorite of mine The Big Short, probably because both were directed and written by Adam McKay. I hated Scalia before the movie — and hate him even more afterward. Certainly informs on how Trump and the modern Republican party arose. Cheney was a more competent (and not treasonous) version of Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:34:37pm

Where’s Anymouse? Haven’t seen him in a long time.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:36:09pm

re: #25 Hecuba’s daughter

Sunday afternoon, I went with two girl friends to see Vice. Have to say that I thought it was a terrific film, reminiscent in style to another favorite of mine The Big Short, probably because both were directed and written by Adam McKay. I hated Scalia before the movie — and hate him even more afterward. Certainly informs on how Trump and the modern Republican party arose. Cheney was a more competent (and not treasonous) version of Trump.

I saw it when it opened on Christmas Day, really loved it. Probably the only thing that annoyed me was the incredibly short amount of time spent on the outing of Valerie Plame. They left Fitzgerald’s Special Council investigation and prosecution of Libby and the wedge that Bush’s refusal to pardon Libby drove between him and Dick. I get that it was already getting long but that seemed like important stuff to omit.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:43:54pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Where’s Anymouse? Haven’t seen him in a long time.

He spun up like a top about the american madrassa students and the native american. Hasn’t been around since.

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ckkatz  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:44:40pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

Where’s Anymouse? Haven’t seen him in a long time.

From my read, things outside lgf were really bothering him. Remember that he has had a very hard life.

The official reason was that he and another lgf poster got into a heated disagreement over whether the Covington students should be treated as adults or as children. He then left.

I find the whole situation saddening as I enjoy, appreciate, and learn a lot from the postings of both parties. I, for one, do hope that he recovers and returns.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:46:52pm

re: #29 ckkatz

See, that’s why nobody ever hired me as a spokes model.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:49:24pm

re: #27 goddamnedfrank

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I saw it when it opened on Christmas Day, really loved it. Probably the only thing that annoyed me was the incredibly short amount of time spent on the outing of Valerie Plame. They left Fitzgerald’s Special Council investigation and prosecution of Libby and the wedge that Bush’s refusal to pardon Libby drove between him and Dick. I get that it was already getting long but that seemed like important stuff to omit.

It certainly didn’t go into how Cheney destroyed Valerie Plame’s career nor how Bush eventually became disenchanted with Cheney. A lot of detail was omitted to progress the story line. It did not cover the incompetence of the post-war reconstruction of Iraq, nor the chaos that the invasion created throughout the Middle East nor the mishandling of Afghanistan. But it did remind us of the true evil of Cheney/Bush administration. One of my girl friends is really very naive about politics and ignorant of history — she was unsure on whether this movie portrayed Cheney as a force for evil or good and thought his closing statement on how all this was done to make us safe was persuasive!! At least she is fiercely opposed to Trump.

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ckkatz  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:49:39pm

re: #30 Single-handed sailor

Well, I’m also not going to be hired on my looks. :)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:53:23pm

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:56:28pm

I did NOT see this coming.

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Aussie Apocalypse  Jan 27, 2019 • 11:59:54pm

re: #3 plansbandc

That’s what you get with free shipping.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:00:00am

re: #9 mmmirele

Tuition for my last semester at UTAustin (spring 1984) was $212.50 for a full load of classes. Thirty-five years later it’s between $5,000 and $6,000. I had a hell of a time finding the money for books after scraping up the $212.50.

I don’t know how people expect kids to go to college and come out with six-figure debt.

Was much the same for Arizona State (also around $220 per semester) and I was able to manage it on Social Security payments and student jobs washing dishes or in the school library.

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ckkatz  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:01:46am

re: #31 Hecuba’s daughter

While I have not seen the movie, it always seemed to me that Bush-Cheney played the “Good-Cop/Bad-Cop” game. Which is how the Bush family has always worked. Keep the dirty stuff at a plausible distance. And keep a group of thugs to handle things in the background. That family did not get to where they are, and stay there, by being wonderful clean folks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:04:08am

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

Just ask the wearer where that MAGA hat was made and if he supports that sort of trade policy…

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:04:29am

I fucking HATED this movie. I hated it so goddamned much that I ranted about it and then got into it here with RWC’s “left wing” friend, who thought I was unfairly maligning the filmmakers’ motives. Besides the torture porn this is exactly why I thought it was so incredibly toxic and irresponsible, because it has now found its way straight into Trump’s syphilis addled brain and is directly fueling his fear mongering rhetoric & all of this was absolutely predictable at the time.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:06:45am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Was much the same for Arizona State (also around $220 per semester) and I was able to manage it on Social Security payments and student jobs washing dishes or in the school library.

I didn’t go to college but I just put my oldest daughter through UCB and my youngest is a junior at Mills College. Thank god for financial help on tuition, otherwise my daughters would have looked forward to a future as a McDonald’s assistant manager as a career high. Of course with a Donald Trump regime that still hasn’t been ruled out.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:08:21am

re: #29 ckkatz

From my read, things outside lgf were really bothering him. Remember that he has had a very hard life.

The official reason was that he and another lgf poster got into a heated disagreement over whether the Covington students should be treated as adults or as children. He then left.

I find the whole situation saddening as I enjoy, appreciate, and learn a lot from the postings of both parties. I, for one, do hope that he recovers and returns.

What sparked that exchange with me and others was my questioning the ethics of doxxing those high school kids on social media. Anymouse’s position was racism must be condemned, the kids were in a public space and aware of being recorded, and doxxing them was therefore appropriate. I argued that they are minors and doxxing them was not appropriate, no matter what bullshit they were pulling. We went round and round for a while, with him basically characterizing anyone who would not dox them as racists, or at least condoning racist behavior. We took offense. He left.

Later, he was spotted relating the entire exchange from his POV on Wonkette, and mischaracterizing what we had said.

Whether his non-LGF life was hard at the time, I can’t say. I had just spent the day dealing with a racism issue on my own staff, and I was really in no mood to hear someone tell me I was being a racist because I wouldn’t want those kids doxxed.

Yeah, I’m still pissed about it. I’m sorry he flounced, because he does have valuable insights and contributions to make here. His “my way or I take to the highway” thing gets old, though.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:09:06am

re: #40 Single-handed sailor

I didn’t go to college but I just put my oldest daughter through UCB and my youngest is a junior at Mills College. Thank god for financial help on tuition, otherwise my daughters would have looked forward to a future as a McDonald’s assistant manager as a career high. Of course with a Donald Trump regime that still hasn’t been ruled out.

My ex-GF attended Mills College in the 90’s when tuition was around $10K per year…

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:10:11am

re: #42 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My ex-GF attended Mills College in the 90’s when tuition was around $10K per year…

They discounted it this year to something like $26,000.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:10:59am

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

I did NOT see this coming.

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When he recites the shahada on YouTube or Twitter, I’ll believe it. The guy’s flaky as hell, so he may only be raising the question for the web traffic.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:17:10am

re: #28 Single-handed sailor

He spun up like a top about the american madrassa students and the native american. Hasn’t been around since.

That was a really ugly incident that says a lot about how we all address media issues.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:19:49am

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I fucking HATED this movie. I hated it so fucking much I got into it here with RWC’s moderate friend, who thought I was unfairly maligning the filmmakers motives. This is exactly why I thought it was so goddamned toxic and irresponsible, it is directly feeding into Trump’s bullshit border fear mongering.

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It’s sad that I can believe the OP’s argument that Trump is getting his daily briefings from B-movies. It all fits Trump’s crazy ramblings in his speeches about the “border crisis.”

Trump’s understanding of the world at large is about the same as a 12-year-old boy learning all about espionage by watching James Bond movies.

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Scout  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:23:35am

re: #14 Dave In Austin

Thank you. That was exactly what I needed after a hectic Monday afternoon.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:27:37am

I went back and found my original take on Sicario: Day of the Soldado and I still stand behind it 100%

OK guys I got dragged to Sicario 2 and it was a hopelessly nihilistic pile of disjointed dogshit that once again presents Mexico through the jaundiced eyes of a cirrhotic Trumper who thinks deliberately breaking shit and not taking any responsibility for one’s actions is how adults deal with complex problems.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:34:58am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I went back and found my original take on Sicario: Day of the Soldado and I still stand behind it 100%

I have avoided both on your recommendations.

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freetoken  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:37:54am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:39:50am

re: #43 Single-handed sailor

They discounted it this year to something like $26,000.

…and to clarify, we’re not rich. The girls went to junior college and got their 2 year AA degrees then applied as Juniors to 4 year colleges. Tuition assistance is more abundant and generous for those who continue on past sophomore years, it seems. (plus they are SMRT)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:43:53am

re: #51 Single-handed sailor

…and to clarify, we’re not rich. The girls went to junior college and got their 2 year AA degrees then applied as Juniors to 4 year colleges. Tuition assistance is more abundant and generous for those who continue on past sophomore years, it seems. (plus they are SMRT)

My hat’s off to you.

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ckkatz  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:53:48am

re: #50 freetoken

Nice! Thanks for posting.

Whenever I hear Autumn Leaves I think of Eva Cassidy’s version. A very different approach. One of my regrets is never having attended one of her concerts.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:57:15am

re: #53 ckkatz

Since we’re playing covers of “Autumn Leaves,” here’s one that has stuck in my mind for, well, a few years.

Nat King Cole - Autumn Leaves

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freetoken  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:00:25am
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ckkatz  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:08:53am

re: #54 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yes, Nat King Cole’s was the first version I heard. Thanks for the posting!

I guess that it’s time to OD on the song.

The Eva Cassidy version. She died within a year of this performance:

Eva Cassidy - Autumn Leaves

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:10:45am

I can almost hear his voice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:20:45am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

Dunno why, but somehow I just wanna mix myself a Cosmopolitan.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:25:30am

What if “On The Road Again” were done ‘light and breezy’ instead of the way we remember it?

Canned Heat - On The Road Again (Alternate Take) [HQ]

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:50:26am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

What if “On The Road Again” were done ‘light and breezy’ instead of the way we remember it?

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Is that divergence where it all went wrong?

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:50:48am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:57:16am

I have no idea how I wound up here but,

Samantha Fish - smoldering version of - I PUT A SPELL ON YOU -

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 2:59:01am

Flipping power went out in our whole building just as I finished fixing some dinner in my Chinese instant pot. Grrrr!

(Meaning it is still uncooked sitting in the pot.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 3:05:18am

re: #63 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Flipping power went out in our whole building just as I finished fixing some dinner in my Chinese instant pot. Grrrr!

(Meaning it is still uncooked sitting in the pot.)

when I was looking for an apartment in Moscow, first thing people said to look for was a gas stove, so that you could keep cooking when the electricity went out (they seldom both went out at the same time) and if the gas went out, you could transfer to a hot plate.

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steve_davis  Jan 28, 2019 • 3:21:43am

re: #13 Single-handed sailor

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*blink*

Likely his spirit animal.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 28, 2019 • 3:23:43am

re: #39 goddamnedfrank

I never saw it; I’d heard from friends and students who did see it that it was a disappointing follow-up to the original film; the general consensus was that it was nowhere near as good as Sicario.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 3:24:48am

re: #65 steve_davis

Likely his spirit animal.

It came up in previous thread that many mammals seem to have an “aw cute” reaction to infants because of their oversized heads and eyes and do not see them as a threat.

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steve_davis  Jan 28, 2019 • 3:42:03am

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

I went back and found my original take on Sicario: Day of the Soldado and I still stand behind it 100%

just really sad because the first one was awesome. then they did the next one where suddenly the only interesting character in the movie gets flattened down into nothing.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 4:26:38am

re: #13 Single-handed sailor

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*blink*

Mother nature has a soft spot for youngin’s sometimes.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 4:34:37am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

Globalists date back much further than Zionists, and Zionists are NOT real Jews. I am a Judeo-Christian, so how the hell can I be anti-semite?? The globalists consists a lot more than just Zionists, you are way out of your league in this.

— Dan Bidondi❌

Sir, I just need to see your driver’s license and registration, please.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 4:36:22am

re: #57 Dave In Austin

I can almost hear his voice.

Dan Bidondi…Dan Bongino…

I get these loons confused.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 4:53:51am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

What sparked that exchange with me and others was my questioning the ethics of doxxing those high school kids on social media. Anymouse’s position was racism must be condemned, the kids were in a public space and aware of being recorded, and doxxing them was therefore appropriate. I argued that they are minors and doxxing them was not appropriate, no matter what bullshit they were pulling. We went round and round for a while, with him basically characterizing anyone who would not dox them as racists, or at least condoning racist behavior. We took offense. He left.

Later, he was spotted relating the entire exchange from his POV on Wonkette, and mischaracterizing what we had said.

Whether his non-LGF life was hard at the time, I can’t say. I had just spent the day dealing with a racism issue on my own staff, and I was really in no mood to hear someone tell me I was being a racist because I wouldn’t want those kids doxxed.

Yeah, I’m still pissed about it. I’m sorry he flounced, because he does have valuable insights and contributions to make here. His “my way or I take to the highway” thing gets old, though.

Oh damn. I didn’t know he had gone on Wonkette and did that. Anyhow imo what you were saying proved exactly correct when the wrong kid was identified and subsequently received threats. It reminded me of the Saudi student in Boston who was wrongfully identified as one of the bombers and Adam Lanza’s brother in Newtown. AM can be an intelligent poster but he definitely has a black and white view and he does distort people’s words.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 4:56:58am

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Dan Bidondi…Dan Bongino…

I get these loons confused.

Bongino I know is the kook former Secret Service agent that ran in MD. Maryland GOPers are relatively sane so he stands out. Don’t know Bidondi.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:00:11am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Oh damn. I didn’t know he had gone on Wonkette and did that. Anyhow imo what you were saying proved exactly correct when the wrong kid was identified and subsequently received threats. It reminded me of the Saudi student in Boston who was wrongfully identified as one of the bombers and Adam Lanza’s brother in Newtown. AM can be an intelligent poster but he definitely has a black and white view and he does distort people’s words.

I also jumped in to that thread to say that my issue was less with the young kids than with their school, which put them in a confrontational situation and failed to equip them with the skills or even basic manners to deal with it an obviously did little or nothing to intervene.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:01:19am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

I’m just weirded out that he went that far. And then seriously attacking lizards as being racist for not doxxing this kid and his idiotic buddies. I said at the time that the community these brats live in already know who they are, hopefully the sane people in that town will respond accordingly. I stayed out of the worst of it because when people lock down hard on a point, I can’t change their mind, especially online.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:03:25am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

I’m just weirded out that he went that far. And then seriously attacking lizards as being racist for not doxxing this kid and his idiotic buddies. I said at the time that the community these brats live in already know who they are, hopefully the sane people in that town will respond accordingly. I stayed out of the worst of it because when people lock down hard on a point, I can’t change their mind, especially online.

and exposing them to anonymous online threats was a great tactical error, one that the RW PR agency fully exploited in attempting to portray these kids as some sort of victims of violent, intolerant liberals

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:03:43am

re: #50 freetoken

She was a seriously talented singer, better than some of her material. IIRC she formed a team with her musician husband.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:05:34am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also jumped in to that thread to say that my issue was less with the young kids than with their school, which put them in a confrontational situation and failed to equip them with the skills or even basic manners to deal with it an obviously did little or nothing to intervene.

Absolutely. TBH the problem to me is that instead of taking the kids to museums in the city, religious schools take them to boycott choice. And they should have forbade the MAGA hat. Even if you don’t believe the hat is racist, still should have been discouraged. I really took issue with AM’s characterization of Wheat and the remedy.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:06:37am

re: #56 ckkatz

Eva Cassidy’s Fields of Gold cover does it for me. One of the few songs that is too short.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:08:23am

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. TBH the problem to me is that instead of taking the kids to museums in the city, religious schools take them to boycott choice. And they should have forbade the MAGA hat. Even if you don’t believe the hat is racist, still should have been discouraged. I really took issue with AM’s characterization of Wheat and the remedy.

The school bears ultimate responsibility for the behavior of those kids in a public setting like that, especially one that his highly charged and confrontational. But they seemed to encourage those reactions

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:08:24am

Happy No Collusion Monday Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:09:44am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

I’m just weirded out that he went that far. And then seriously attacking lizards as being racist for not doxxing this kid and his idiotic buddies. I said at the time that the community these brats live in already know who they are, hopefully the sane people in that town will respond accordingly. I stayed out of the worst of it because when people lock down hard on a point, I can’t change their mind, especially online.

Yeah online debate can get heated. I was probably foolish to wander into that rabbit hole with AM since him and I had been arguing albeit civilly about the whole is Trump unique thing and he takes the position that past Republicans were the same more or less and I can’t do that. I feel this administration is very unique. I do agree with him that the seeds were planted in the past but I think he’s wrong to characterize the Bushes or even Reagan as equally xenophobic.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:11:15am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The school bears ultimate responsibility for the behavior of those kids in a public setting like that, especially one that his highly charged and confrontational. But they seemed to encourage those reactions

Yeah the school and the parents too. Anyhow I just didn’t like the characterization that if you oppose doxxing, racism is okay. He was wrong about that and I Hope should he return apologize for that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:14:58am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I feel this administration is very unique. I do agree with him that the seeds were planted in the past but I think he’s wrong to characterize the Bushes or even Reagan as equally xenophobic.

One of the few things that GW Bush supported that I could agree with was his call for comprehensive immigration reform. But even his own party would not support him on that.

“Build the Wall!” and “Round them up!” has nothing to do with comprehensive reform of a system that is badly in need of overhaul, it is about doing something symbolic to rile up the base of xenophobes who support Trump.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:15:06am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

when I was looking for an apartment in Moscow, first thing people said to look for was a gas stove, so that you could keep cooking when the electricity went out (they seldom both went out at the same time) and if the gas went out, you could transfer to a hot plate.

I had a gas cooker in my previous apartment, but here I’ve only got electric appliances. On the bright side, I have heat even when the power is out, because it’s the city that pumps the hot water to all the buildings.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:16:41am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One of the few things that GW Bush supported that I could agree with was his call for comprehensive immigration reform. But even his own party would not support him on that.

“Build the Wall!” and “Round them up!” has nothing to do with comprehensive reform of a system that is badly in need of overhaul, it is about doing something symbolic to rile up the base of xenophobes who support Trump.

I also remember that he didn’t scapegoat racial minorities especially Latinos. Awful President certainly but definitely not a xenophobe like Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:17:28am

Anyhow I’ll leave this be for now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:21:09am

moron is delusional

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jeffreyw  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:21:22am

Good morning!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:21:55am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

Oh damn. I didn’t know he had gone on Wonkette and did that. Anyhow imo what you were saying proved exactly correct when the wrong kid was identified and subsequently received threats. It reminded me of the Saudi student in Boston who was wrongfully identified as one of the bombers and Adam Lanza’s brother in Newtown. AM can be an intelligent poster but he definitely has a black and white view and he does distort people’s words.

Yes, the highlighted part.

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A Mom Anon  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:22:05am

re: #82 HappyWarrior

He’s right that the seeds were sown decades ago, hell, the mere existence of Roger Stone proves that, and he’s far from the only long term player. But Trump and the whole Russian mess is different. Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows this. It’s never been so blatantly obvious that a foreign government directly messed with our elections and had help from inside the government to do so. The damage being done daily is not like anything we’ve seen either. I’m just not sure what purpose fighting with people who are on your side politically accomplishes.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:27:09am

Illegals don’t register, so you can’t tell me there aren’t really 50 million invasive illegal infiltrators teeming our borders! They’re everywhere stealing our precious fluids!

I say it a lot but shit is exhausting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:30:31am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:31:35am

*THUD*

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:32:59am

re: #91 A Mom Anon

He’s right that the seeds were sown decades ago, hell, the mere existence of Roger Stone proves that, and he’s far from the only long term player. But Trump and the whole Russian mess is different. Anyone with a basic grasp of history knows this. It’s never been so blatantly obvious that a foreign government directly messed with our elections and had help from inside the government to do so. The damage being done daily is not like anything we’ve seen either. I’m just not sure what purpose fighting with people who are on your side politically accomplishes.

Oh absolutely and I said it constantly- Trump isn’t the GOP’s illness, he is but a symptom but where Trump does stand out is how widespread it is. The GOPers in Congress during Nixon weren’t out right enablers like Nunes, McConnell, Graham, and others are. The cabinet too. I pointed out that there would never be a Saturday Night Massacre in the Trump administration because Whitaker or Barr would fire Mueller without a thought in contrast with Elliott Richardson who did refuse to fire Cox for Nixon. I think him and I got to an understanding on what the other was trying to communicate. I just think it does a disservice to how bad Trump really is to suggest even if not the intention that the past ones were as bad as Trump. I can’t think of a single aspect of Trump’s presidency or personality that deserves praising. I can’t even praise the man as a father and husband ot acknowledge shared hobbies. He’s just an all around awful person.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:34:03am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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You going to start favoring Torah studies? Quran studies? Why does the Bible get preferential treatment? Oh and Homer Simpson has studied the Bible more than you have. You don’t fool anyone but your bootlickers with the piety act.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:35:39am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Can we just skip to the verses where we stone adulterers?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:35:46am

re: #92 Citizen K

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Illegals don’t register, so you can’t tell me there aren’t really 50 million invasive illegal infiltrators teeming our borders! They’re everywhere stealing our precious fluids!

I say it a lot but shit is exhausting.

This guy is pretty stupid isn’t he.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:36:48am

Did Brokaw ask his grandchild to tweet on his behalf?

Though my daughter says “so whack”, so maybe it’s Brokaw’s assistant.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:37:37am

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Dan Bidondi…Dan Bongino…

I get these loons confused.

Oh, that’s two different people? Thanks for that tidbit of info.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:38:35am

re: #99 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Did Brokaw ask his grandchild to tweet on his behalf?

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Though my daughter says “so whack”, so maybe it’s Brokaw’s assistant.

Hahaha I read it in his voice. Honestly if it’s his opinion, he shouldn’t apologize but what he said was pretty damn ignorant IMO. That’s what he should be sorry about. Not that he offended but what he said was ignorant and a mis-characterization.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:42:23am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

This guy is pretty stupid isn’t he.

Yet another Russian troll…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:42:27am

Here is one of Nate Silver’s micro-forwards Significant Digits:

33 new hires

Trump signed an order to hire 15,000 new border agents two years ago. Customs and Border Protection paid $60.7 million to the consulting firm Accenture Federal Services to “recruit, vet and hire” 7,500 such officers over five years. The company has hired 33 such officers to date. [Los Angeles Times]

The fact that this contract case is not before a criminal court tells us how far we’ve fallen.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:42:45am

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:42:59am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:43:27am

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Hahaha I read it in his voice. Honestly if it’s his opinion, he shouldn’t apologize but what he said was pretty damn ignorant IMO. That’s what he should be sorry about. Not that he offended but what he said was ignorant and a mis-characterization.

His preceding non-pology was even worse.

Really, I am embarrassed to be a white man sometimes, if this is the best we can manage.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:43:33am

re: #99 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Did Brokaw ask his grandchild to tweet on his behalf?

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Though my daughter says “so whack”, so maybe it’s Brokaw’s assistant.

I can’t wait for Brokaw’s next book:

The Greatest Generation: Millennials

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:43:50am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, I would cry because of the asshole who was installed in the Oval Office by Putin…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:45:01am

re: #94 Backwoods_Sleuth

Numerous states introducing Bible Literacy classes, giving students the option of studying the Bible. Starting to make a turn back? Great!

Will they teach both Corinthians?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:45:28am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:45:59am

re: #106 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Really, I am embarrassed to be a white man sometimes, if this is the best we can manage.

He isn’t the best we can manage. He just gets airtime to what a shit he is. Stereotyping is bad.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:47:17am

re: #106 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

His preceding non-pology was even worse.

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Really, I am embarrassed to be a white man sometimes, if this is the best we can manage.

See what gets me upset is how goddamn clueless white people are about many of our immigrant experiences yet love casting that stone. I see the usual suspects love to rag on Jorge Ramos and Univision(speaking of Ramos, haven’t heard from him in recent months) but ethnic newspapers were a big part of the European immigrant experience as were ethnic fraternal organizations. I even have my Great Grandfather mentioned as being part of a Slovene one in his obituary. And I have another one, a second great grandfather on the German side active in German-American societies. The more honest nativists like Coulter will admit that they’re threatened by these people because they look different. White people need to understand history better.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:49:08am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Laziest piece of shit ever to be President is attacking Obama as lazy. You know what fuck Trump. I hope he goes to jail a long time and suffers. He’s a fucking asshole who always feels the pathological need to lie about every last goddamned thing.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:49:43am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

See what gets me upset is how goddamn clueless white people are about many of our immigrant experiences yet love casting that stone. I see the usual suspects love to rag on Jorge Ramos and Univision(speaking of Ramos, haven’t heard from him in recent months) but ethnic newspapers were a big part of the European immigrant experience as were ethnic fraternal organizations. I even have my Great Grandfather mentioned as being part of a Slovene one in his obituary. And I have another one, a second great grandfather on the German side active in German-American societies. The more honest nativists like Coulter will admit that they’re threatened by these people because they look different. White people need to understand history better.

Unfortunately, we have folks on all sides insisting that ‘identity politics’ is evil and only makes racism worse, so we must always appeal to the ‘default’ American identity….which just happens to be the identity of straight white males……but don’t you dare point it out or you’re race baiting, you dirty country-destroying SJW.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:50:49am

re: #113 HappyWarrior

Laziest piece of shit ever to be President is attacking Obama as lazy. You know what fuck Trump. I hope he goes to jail a long time and suffers. He’s a fucking asshole who always feels the pathological need to lie about every last goddamned thing.

I cannot imagine him doing jail time. Just getting him out of office is the best we can hope for

After that, he might be stripped of his assets but he personally is set for life, giving appearances, speeches and (ghost-written) books…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:50:59am

moron is glued to his teevee

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:51:42am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot imagine him doing jail time. Just getting him out of office is the best we can hope for

After that, he might be stripped of his assets but he personally is set for life, giving appearances, speeches and (ghost-written) books…

Because failing upward is inevitability for GOPers.

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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:52:30am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is glued to his teevee

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Meanwhile, his poll numbers have cracked that 40% “floor” and begun burrowing towards the Earth’s core.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:52:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:53:04am

re: #117 Citizen K

Because failing upward is inevitability for GOPers.

even impeachment/conviction would not be enough to break his trajectory

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:53:35am

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot imagine him doing jail time. Just getting him out of office is the best we can hope for

After that, he might be stripped of his assets but he personally is set for life, giving appearances, speeches and (ghost-written) books…

I dunno. I think New York is eager to criminally investigate him. But I’ll take him being removed from office in shame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:53:49am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:54:35am

re: #114 Citizen K

Unfortunately, we have folks on all sides insisting that ‘identity politics’ is evil and only makes racism worse, so we must always appeal to the ‘default’ American identity….which just happens to be the identity of straight white males……but don’t you dare point it out or you’re race baiting, you dirty country-destroying SJW.

Exactly. And yeah I’m sick of SWM being the default setting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:55:29am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He can’t even theocratic wet dream for himself. He has to have the tools on Fox and Friends who are also probably biblical illiterates do that for him.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:55:44am

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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The MAGA hat wearers are Republicans who were happy with Trump’s racism and sexism. They are the obvious racists. Of the non-hat wearing Republicans, some were also happy, but some just condoned it because he wasn’t a Democrat.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:55:48am

re: #117 Citizen K

Because failing upward is inevitability for GOPers.

Because billionaires of either party can afford to baffle the legal system in all but the most outrageous situations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:55:49am

re: #121 HappyWarrior

I dunno. I think New York is eager to criminally investigate him. But I’ll take him being removed from office in shame.

the man has no shame.

those around him will be fucked, but he will not experience any serious personal consequences

the trajectory of his life

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:57:40am

re: #127 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the man has no shame.

those around him will be fucked, but he will not experience any serious personal consequences

the trajectory of his life

You don’t know that necessarily. I’m sorry but I definitely think the New York AG’s office could be looking to prosecute him once he leaves. And Pence can’t pardon him for that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:58:26am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

You don’t know that necessarily. I’m sorry but I definitely think the New York AG’s office could be looking to prosecute him once he leaves. And Pence can’t pardon him for that.

Then he will flee to Moscow…

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:58:42am

re: #120 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

even impeachment/conviction would not be enough to break his trajectory

It’s just the momentum of large money. When you hit Rockefeller, Ford, or even Adelson numbers there is almost nothing you can do to be poorer at sunset than you were at dawn.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:58:57am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

See what gets me upset is how goddamn clueless white people are about many of our immigrant experiences yet love casting that stone. I see the usual suspects love to rag on Jorge Ramos and Univision(speaking of Ramos, haven’t heard from him in recent months) but ethnic newspapers were a big part of the European immigrant experience as were ethnic fraternal organizations. I even have my Great Grandfather mentioned as being part of a Slovene one in his obituary. And I have another one, a second great grandfather on the German side active in German-American societies. The more honest nativists like Coulter will admit that they’re threatened by these people because they look different. White people need to understand history better.

Both my Swedish-American grandmas had Swedish Bibles and dad’s mom belonged to the Vasa Lodge and sometimes read a Swedish newspaper published in the USA.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 5:59:45am

re: #131 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Both my Swedish-American grandmas had Swedish Bibles and dad’s mom belonged to the Vasa Lodge and sometimes read a Swedish newspaper published in the USA.

And our stories are far from unique. Those ethnic newspapers were everywhere.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:00:33am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then he will flee to Moscow…

We’ll see. And hey if he flees to Moscow, that will prove everything true that he’s a Putin asset without a doubt. I just want him out of office and then to actually suffer knowing his place in history.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:03:57am

The problem with Brokaw’s characterization is those immigrants are in fact assimilating.it’s gotta be annoying as shit for older immigrants. If you speak your native language which you have every right to do, you get shit but if you speak English, people shit on your accent and act like you’re not a real American.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:05:53am

re: #71 Sir John Barron

Dan Bidondi…Dan Bongino…

I get these loons confused.

Giving Blondie and Oingo Boingo a bad reputation.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:07:41am

re: #135 Myron Falwell

Giving Blondie and Oingo Boingo a bad reputation.

Blondie had a Heart of Glass but these dudes have brains of them.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:09:42am

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d cry too if I spent all the money to go to Washington DC and wound up seeing a barely literate fat man glued to the twitter app on his iPhone.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:10:32am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The problem with Brokaw’s characterization is those immigrants are in fact assimilating.it’s gotta be annoying as shit for older immigrants. If you speak your native language which you have every right to do, you get shit but if you speak English, people shit on your accent and act like you’re not a real American.

I’ve said it before when ‘assimilating’ comes up, and it always bears repeating: Assimilation is a two-way street. Immigrants can put in all the effort into assimilating that they can and it won’t make a fuck of difference if the ‘natives’ refuse to concede any sort of acceptance outside of total ‘passing’.

This is why Europe has its immigration crisis for the most part. Not immigrants ‘refusing’ to assimilate, but societies refusing to see them as potential new citizens, and instead just as warm bodies for work.

Meanwhile….

Clearly, refugees just need to try harder to assimilate.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:11:59am

re: #138 Citizen K

I’ve said it before when ‘assimilating’ comes up, and it always bears repeating: Assimilation is a two-way street. Immigrants can put in all the effort into assimilating that they can and it won’t make a fuck of difference if the ‘natives’ refuse to concede any sort of acceptance outside of total ‘passing’.

This is why Europe has its immigration crisis for the most part. Not immigrants ‘refusing’ to assimilate, but societies refusing to see them as potential new citizens, and instead just as warm bodies for work.

Meanwhile….

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Clearly, refugees just need to try harder to assimilate.

Right. And TBH as much as I like Europe, historically we’ve been pretty good at welcoming newcomers and Miller’s attitude is disgusting and quite honestly UnAmerican.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:12:39am

Heading to NYC…

Paul Simon is appearing on Colbert tonight, and I got invited to the taping. I’ve never been to a TV show taping before, should be interesting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:12:47am

re: #137 Myron Falwell

I’d cry too if I spent all the money to go to Washington DC and wound up seeing a barely literate fat man glued to the twitter app on his iPhone.

Yeah look at what we’ve had and what we’ve got. He’s a disgrace.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:13:54am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

The problem with Brokaw’s characterization is those immigrants are in fact assimilating.it’s gotta be annoying as shit for older immigrants. If you speak your native language which you have every right to do, you get shit but if you speak English, people shit on your accent and act like you’re not a real American.

Their grandchildren are the assimilated ones, because usually any fluency in the immigrants’ mother tongue is lost by the second generation. Exceptions would be people who stay within their own ethnic enclaves, but even then the second gen is bilingual and code switches to suit the occasion.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:16:50am

re: #142 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Their grandchildren are the assimilated ones, because usually any fluency in the immigrants’ mother tongue is lost by the second generation. Exceptions would be people who stay within their own ethnic enclaves, but even then the second gen is bilingual and code switches to suit the occasion.

Yeah my mom has no traces of being a grandchild of immigrants. Her parents still used some of the old words. I know dupa because of it haha.

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Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:17:54am

Trump: Ex-Starbucks CEO Schultz ‘doesn’t have the guts to run for president’

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:20:13am

re: #144 Kilroy was here

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Trump: Ex-Starbucks CEO Schultz ‘doesn’t have the guts to run for president’

Well damn, so he succeeded in being a uniter after all - hated by both trumperhoids and sane people alike :D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:22:12am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Yeah my mom has no traces of being a grandchild of immigrants. Her parents still used some of the old words. I know dupa because of it haha.

We still have a similar handful of words and phrases that came down from Gramdma Baba…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:23:52am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then he will flee to Moscow…

I don’t think Trump is that smart. Plus I’d laugh if Putin kicked him in the nuts and denied asylum.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:24:34am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still have a similar handful of words and phrases that came down from Gramdma Baba…

Yeah.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:25:31am

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Right. And TBH as much as I like Europe, historically we’ve been pretty good at welcoming newcomers and Miller’s attitude is disgusting and quite honestly UnAmerican.

If Miller gets thrown in The Hague, it will be a special day.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:25:51am

re: #144 Kilroy was here

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Trump: Ex-Starbucks CEO Schultz ‘doesn’t have the guts to run for president’

So predictable tho.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:26:08am

Considering that Schultz has voted for Democrats before, combined with his comments on education, he’s really just running on “please don’t take my money” platform.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:02am

re: #149 Myron Falwell

If Miller gets thrown in The Hague, it will be a special day.

One of the worst members of this group which is saying a lot.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:07am

re: #138 Citizen K

I’ve said it before when ‘assimilating’ comes up, and it always bears repeating: Assimilation is a two-way street. Immigrants can put in all the effort into assimilating that they can and it won’t make a fuck of difference if the ‘natives’ refuse to concede any sort of acceptance outside of total ‘passing’.

This is why Europe has its immigration crisis for the most part. Not immigrants ‘refusing’ to assimilate, but societies refusing to see them as potential new citizens, and instead just as warm bodies for work.

Meanwhile….

Clearly, refugees just need to try harder to assimilate.

We just want the Illegals to come to America in the Right way.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:10am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

So predictable tho.

Is Schultz richer than Trump?

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:34am

re: #144 Kilroy was here

Trump: Ex-Starbucks CEO Schultz ‘doesn’t have the guts to run for president’

Amazing how Drump can manage to “torch” everyone besides Pooty.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:30:43am

re: #154 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Is Schultz richer than Trump?

Probably and unlike Trump self made too.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:30:44am

re: #155 Sir John Barron

Amazing how Drump can manage to “torch” everyone besides Pooty.

And Pelosi! The best he can do is call her by her actual first name 😂

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:31:03am

re: #155 Sir John Barron

Amazing how Drump can manage to “torch” everyone besides Pooty.

Because Putin is his benefactor.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:31:14am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is glued to his teevee

In case you thought wingnut media might start to question Dear Leader after a colossal Fail Cave….I think we have our answer.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:31:30am

re: #155 Sir John Barron

Amazing how Drump can manage to “torch” everyone besides Pooty.

He’s also stopped called Kim “Little Rocket Man,” and calls Xi Jinping a “good friend.”

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:32:21am

re: #145 Interesting Times

Well damn, so he succeeded in being a uniter after all - hated by both trumperhoids and sane people alike :D

Or just another Putin pawn brought in for a distraction.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:32:28am

re: #159 Sir John Barron

In case you thought wingnut media might start to question Dear Leader after a colossal Fail Cave….I think we have our answer.

That’s actually a good thing, however, since being insulted by Limbaugh, Coulter, etc was what prompted him to shut down the government in the first place -_-

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:34:30am

re: #162 Interesting Times

That’s actually a good thing, however, since being insulted by Limbaugh, Coulter, etc was what prompted him to shut down the government in the first place -_-

What will they make him do in three weeks when the CR ends?

Declare The National Emergency I bet. They don’t really believe in Congressional power or oversight anyway.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:41:29am

re: #159 Sir John Barron

In case you thought wingnut media might start to question Dear Leader after a colossal Fail Cave….I think we have our answer.

They’re going to need a couple of Pelosi beat-downs before they start. Too many still think Trump is holding all the cards.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:42:43am

re: #163 Sir John Barron

What will they make him do in three weeks when the CR ends?

Declare The National Emergency I bet. They don’t really believe in Congressional power or oversight anyway.

Democrats need to take Trump’s line about not needing the wall and turn it into a commercial.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:44:14am

re: #86 HappyWarrior

I also remember that he didn’t scapegoat racial minorities especially Latinos. Awful President certainly but definitely not a xenophobe like Trump.

Did Bush ever call out Limbaugh Hannity et al for their racism? No? That’s where you see his true character.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:46:10am

re: #166 Old Liberal

Did Bush ever call out Limbaugh Hannity et al for their racism? No? That’s where you see his true character.

Fair enough. I just feel Bush wasn’t the same as Trump. But as I said last week, a 45% F is still an F as much as a 0 is.

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CleverToad  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:56:37am

re: #51 Single-handed sailor

…and to clarify, we’re not rich. The girls went to junior college and got their 2 year AA degrees then applied as Juniors to 4 year colleges. Tuition assistance is more abundant and generous for those who continue on past sophomore years, it seems. (plus they are SMRT)

Encouraging to hear this! My son is in his sophomore year at community college, will have to take Organic Chem next summer to finish his Associates (engineering major, thinks he may specialize in Chem). We’re scraping by, but have been able to cover his tuition and books so far, with him living at home. Next fall it’s on to a 4-year college and the start of the student loans — hoping for a Pell Grant, or whatever assistance he’s able to get.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:59:10am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. I just feel Bush wasn’t the same as Trump. But as I said last week, a 45% F is still an F as much as a 0 is.

I think on issues of comparison it is important to narrowly define parameters being discussed. And that is tough to do on an internet platform. On one measure I would argue that Reagan was worse than trump because Reagan unleashed and popularized all the conservative lies that have damaged our society for forty years. In that one sense, to me Reagan is worse than trump.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:01:31am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

What sparked that exchange with me and others was my questioning the ethics of doxxing those high school kids on social media. Anymouse’s position was racism must be condemned, the kids were in a public space and aware of being recorded, and doxxing them was therefore appropriate. I argued that they are minors and doxxing them was not appropriate, no matter what bullshit they were pulling. We went round and round for a while, with him basically characterizing anyone who would not dox them as racists, or at least condoning racist behavior. We took offense. He left.

Later, he was spotted relating the entire exchange from his POV on Wonkette, and mischaracterizing what we had said.

Whether his non-LGF life was hard at the time, I can’t say. I had just spent the day dealing with a racism issue on my own staff, and I was really in no mood to hear someone tell me I was being a racist because I wouldn’t want those kids doxxed.

Yeah, I’m still pissed about it. I’m sorry he flounced, because he does have valuable insights and contributions to make here. His “my way or I take to the highway” thing gets old, though.

And frankly his anti-Christianity has come to the point of pure bigotry. There are quite a few other atheists here that do not need to fight about it. But his attitude against is like that of a fundamentalist against Islam - there is nothing possible good and it’s proved because X never says Y against Z. I would not tolerate that of an Islamophobe and I’m not willing to tolerate that any more about anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:02:16am

re: #169 Old Liberal

I think on issues of comparison it is important to narrowly define parameters being discussed. And that is tough to do on an internet platform. On one measure I would argue that Reagan was worse than trump because Reagan unleashed and popularized all the conservative lies that have damaged our society for forty years. In that one sense, to me Reagan is worse than trump.

That’s true. For me. I have an unique detesting of Trump because I think he’s an authoritarian dreamer. Reagan I don’t feel was but I do feel Reagan’s faults need to be discussed more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:03:19am

re: #171 HappyWarrior

That’s true. For me. I have an unique detesting of Trump because I think he’s an authoritarian dreamer. Reagan I don’t feel was but I do feel Reagan’s faults need to be discussed more.

The cuts in education that started under Reagan really came home to roost in our election of Donald Trump…

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:05:40am

Schultz asks how we can provide “free” healthcare, tuition, etc. I suggest with the current money we spend on those things, plus what we would have if Starbucks charged reasonable prices for coffee.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:06:35am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The cuts in education that started under Reagan really came home to roost in our election of Donald Trump…

Absolutely. I think Reagan is the most overrated president ever but I can’t stress how much Trump is undercutting Democratic values home and abroad.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:08:49am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The cuts in education that started under Reagan really came home to roost in our election of Donald Trump…

Reagan: black bucks buying steak, welfare queen in Cadillac, unions bad, government is your enemy, war on drugs, homosexuals and AIDS, taxes are theft, America as military bully, Christianity foundation of America, trickle down economics. All these tropes are still dragging us down. Courtesy of Reagan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:10:01am

re: #173 BlueSpotinAL

Schultz asks how we can provide “free” healthcare, tuition, etc. I suggest with the current money we spend on those things, plus what we would have if Starbucks charged reasonable prices for coffee.

How can American industry expect to be provided with skilled, educated and healthy workers if it is not willing to contribute to those costs?

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CleverToad  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:10:38am

re: #69 Eventual Carrion

Mother nature has a soft spot for youngin’s sometimes.

Altricial features!
I was at a lecture by the paleontologist Jack Horner, and he put a picture of a baby maiasaura on the Imax screen. Almost everyone in the audience went ‘Awwww…’ Involuntary, instinctive reaction, which as he pointed out bolstered his case for predicting parental behavior in the adults of the species. Mother(ing) Nature has very deep roots :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:11:34am

re: #175 Old Liberal

Reagan: black bucks buying steak, welfare queen in Cadillac, unions bad, government is your enemy, war on drugs, homosexuals and AIDS, taxes are theft, America as military bully, Christianity foundation of America, trickle down economics. All these tropes are still dragging us down. Courtesy of Reagan.

I really would like to have been there on with the Captain of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it arrived to provide tsunami relief in Fukushima, Japan, when he presented his credentials and said “We’re from the US government and we’re here to help you!”

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plansbandc  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:13:02am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

He absolutely thinks he’s king.

Also, I do believe he got his boarder talking points from watching that movie. I bet his staff told him it was an ICE briefing.

We may very well have a “president” that believes movies and TV are real. After all, he treats the office of the Presidency as a reality show.

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:13:45am

‘It’s Okay to Be White’: Charlottesville Police Won’t Investigate Zeta Phi Beta Mural Defaced By White Supremacists

Charlottesville Police say they will not be investigating an incident in which a popular white supremacist slogan, “It’s Okay to Be White” was tagged over a Zeta Phi Beta mural at the University of Virginia. According to the historically black sorority, members of the UVA chapter of Zeta Phi Beta painted the mural on Beta Bridge, a city-owned University landmark, to honor their Founder’s Day on Jan. 16. By the next morning, the mural was vandalized.

UVA’s student newspaper, the Cavalier Daily, reports the bridge, which is frequently painted on by students, was defaced at about 1 a.m. on Thursday morning. The paper also reported that Charlottesville police are choosing not to investigate the graffiti.

Markiana Smith, president of UVA’s undergraduate chapter of Zeta Phi Beta, says she and her sorority sisters were “stunned” when they heard about the hateful message.

“It’s a strange place to be when you feel the place that you’ve called home the last few years wanted to stifle you, didn’t want you to speak. Didn’t want you to take up space,” Smith, a fourth-year African American studies major, told The Root.

This kinda shit gives away the game behind ‘It’s Ok To Be White’.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:13:46am

re: #170 William Lewis

And frankly his anti-Christianity has come to the point of pure bigotry. There are quite a few other atheists here that do not need to fight about it. But his attitude against is like that of a fundamentalist against Islam - there is nothing possible good and it’s proved because X never says Y against Z. I would not tolerate that of an Islamophobe and I’m not willing to tolerate that any more about anyone.

While not condoning any of this (and I’ve called him out on it occasionally — in brief, as I’m not much for beating my head against brick walls), I think this is about his losing his election, and his perception that his surroundings are getting more hostile. Plus, of course, on the religious side, he’s entirely surrounded by fundamentalists. I still hope he comes to his senses and comes back (as happened at least once before).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:14:39am

re: #179 plansbandc

He absolutely thinks he’s king.

Also, I do believe he got his boarder talking points from watching that movie. I bet his staff showed told him it was an ICE briefing.

We may very well have a “president” that believes movies and TV are real. After all, he treats the office of the Presidency as a reality show.

I’ll bet he got his ideas about the Space Force from some other B movie.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:16:29am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The cuts in education that started under Reagan really came home to roost in our election of Donald Trump…

Reagan latched onto, and was the beginning of the anti-intellectual movement in the USA. He was famous for ejecting economists from government positions that didn’t agree with his Utopian “trickle Down” nonsense. The Federal Deficit exploded just as they said it would and American society entered the current progression of haves and have-nots.

Reagan was the friendly, grandfatherly face of the nascent anti-intellectual populism that now has fully exploded into the very ugly malignancy we now endure with the Trump Crime Family.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:17:30am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I really would like to have been there on with the Captain of the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when it arrived to provide tsunami relief in Fukushima, Japan, when he presented his credentials and said “We’re here from the US government and we’re here to help you!”

Reagan appealed to all the worst impulses in our national psyche and made them acceptable again. Whatever he did in actual policy pales in comparison to the damage done our nation’s psyche which we may never recover from. Reagan was the original lie from the podium president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:18:03am

re: #183 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Reagan latched onto, and was the beginning of the anti-intellectual movement in the USA. He was famous for ejecting economists from government positions that didn’t agree with his Utopian “trickle Down” nonsense. The Federal Deficit exploded just as they said it would and American society entered the current progression of haves and have-nots.

Reagan was the friendly, grandfatherly face of the nascent anti-intellectual populism that now has fully exploded into the very ugly malignancy we now endure with the Trump Crime Family.

anti-intellectualism was always there, but the Sputnik scare had driven us back into the arms of science and education for more than two decades. But that shit costs money and a lot of whose scientists and professors were liberals…

And Reagan was the one who took the solar panels down from the White House and totally ignored the lessons of the 1973 Mideast Oil Crisis

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:21:12am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anti-intellectualism was always there, but the Sputnik scare drove us back into the arms of science and education for over a decade. But that shit costs money and a lot of whose scientists and professors were liberals…

Yes but interestingly they had no problem funding the Star Wars fantasy. Another example of broken thinking due to toxic “patriotism”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:23:37am

re: #186 Old Liberal

Yes but interestingly they had no problem funding the Star Wars fantasy. Another example of broken thinking due to toxic “patriotism”

I remember him stating that “you cannot fix social programs by throwing money at them” but there was no defense program too big for him to keep throwing money at…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:23:52am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

anti-intellectualism was always there, but the Sputnik scare drove us back into the arms of science and education for over a decade. But that shit costs money and a lot of whose scientists and professors were liberals…

Intellectuals and other edumacated people were against the Vietnam War, which the Right Wing saw as the War Against Communism. So, therefore education creates commies. Plus, public education meant your kids were associating with “those people,” after Brown v Board of Education, so better to school them in nice, safe enclaves of conformist thought.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:23:55am

re: #170 William Lewis

And frankly his anti-Christianity has come to the point of pure bigotry. There are quite a few other atheists here that do not need to fight about it. But his attitude against is like that of a fundamentalist against Islam - there is nothing possible good and it’s proved because X never says Y against Z. I would not tolerate that of an Islamophobe and I’m not willing to tolerate that any more about anyone.

Funnily for me, one of my first run-ins and experiences with his stubborn side was on religion even though I’m Agnostic and thus more closer to his perspective on theological questions than yourself but I pointed out more or less that a state outright hostile towards religion like the USSR could have the same problems as a state with church and state together. He didn’t like that. The others in the community got what I was saying. And yeah I’m sorry but he is bigoted against Christians. What he expects out of Christians is reminiscent of what I see people expect from Muslims. Not every last Christian kook deserves a condemnation from liberal Christians like yourself when your best example is how you live your lives and treat people.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:24:50am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:25:22am

The problem with Reagan is how he benefited from the amnesia of why the 60’s needed to be fought the way it was. How Reagan needed to be dragged kicked and screaming into signing the MLK holiday and the worst of Reagan’s legacy was the two faced attitude on democracy globally. Democracy for the former Soviet bloc but not for Latin/South America and Africa.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:26:25am

re: #190 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Holy shit, that’s some grifty grifting.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:26:44am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Please stop talking about our friend Anymouse in the past tense.

I see a lot of affinity with the fellow (ethnic background, similar jobs, hobbies, even used to drive a Smart) and do hope that he shows up again soon.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:27:03am

re: #181 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Not everyone in his county is out to get him. I am sorry but in the end it’s paranoia and he probably needs to find professional help for it.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:28:40am

re: #170 William Lewis

And frankly his anti-Christianity has come to the point of pure bigotry. There are quite a few other atheists here that do not need to fight about it. But his attitude against is like that of a fundamentalist against Islam - there is nothing possible good and it’s proved because X never says Y against Z. I would not tolerate that of an Islamophobe and I’m not willing to tolerate that any more about anyone.

I think it is impossible for a Christian to understand what it is like to be an atheist in a religious area. It is not benign. The best Christians are often condescending and judgmental. Jesus commanded to make converts. Christians follow this directive. I never told anyone I was an atheist that’s how threatened I felt. I can understand the “all Christians” thing because I have experienced it.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:28:44am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

Can we just skip to the verses where we stone adulterers?

Morning!

Which Bible is going to be the one everyone is supposed to study?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:28:45am

I can’t figure Reagan out because I don’t know too much about the man but I think he was a cynic beneath the sunny optimism that he liked to portray. He was fine with the New Deal for a long time but he started drifting right around the time the Dems started championing the idea that the promise of the New Deal should be for all people. Now I don’t think his rightward move was exclusively racially based but you can’t tell me that Reagan didn’t have huge racial blinders.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:30:18am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:30:20am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please stop talking about our friend Anymouse in the past tense.

I see a lot of affinity with the fellow (ethnic background, similar jobs, hobbies, even used to drive a Smart) and do hope that he shows up again soon.

The event regarding religion happened in the past. I like the guy too Wendel but he’s got an ugly side that comes out that needs to be talked about. I really do not like how he called Wheat an enabler for racism and then given the chance to admit that maybe he stepped too far doubled down.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:30:56am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

China is becoming more hostile to religion, other than the “state approved” churches. It’s not just Muslims and Tibetan Buddhists feeling the heat, but also independent Christian sects and of course the Falun Gong.

The Party wants religion to serve the State, and to give Chinese people some sort of extra moral compass besides the Party’s teachings. But the Party doesn’t want them teaching stuff like there is a higher power than the Party, or people are endowed with fundamental human rights, and all that stuff.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:31:14am

re: #196 ObserverArt

Morning!

Which Bible is going to be the one everyone is supposed to study?

I recall when the issue of the Ten Commandments was a matter of discussion and GW Bush came out in favor.

Some smart-ass reporter (obviously with a couple of semesters of comparative religion under his belt) asked “Which translation?” to which Bush replied “The standard one” but did not elaborate.

I suppose that in his surly little mind he was referring to the King James.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:31:56am

re: #200 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

China is becoming more hostile to religion, other than the “state approved” churches. It’s not just Muslims and Tibetan Buddhists feeling the heat, but also independent Christian sects and of course the Falun Gong.

The Party wants religion to serve the State, and to give Chinese people some sort of extra moral compass besides the Party’s teachings. But the Party doesn’t want them teaching stuff like there is a higher power than the Party, or people are endowed with fundamental human rights, and all that stuff.

Remember Falun Gong?

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:31:56am

re: #194 William Lewis

Not everyone in his county is out to get him. I am sorry but in the end it’s paranoia and he probably needs to find professional help for it.

I said “his perception.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:32:38am

re: #195 Old Liberal

I think it is impossible for a Christian to understand what it is like to be an atheist in a religious area. It is not benign. The best Christians are often condescending and judgmental. Jesus commanded to make converts. Christians follow this directive. I never told anyone I was an atheist that’s how threatened I felt. I can understand the “all Christians” thing because I have experienced it.

I get that and I’m Agnostic myself but Christianity like Islam is a big group and there have been comments made about Christians that one would raise a stink eye if they were made about Muslims or a religious minority of any kind. i don’t think Bill or any liberal Christian should have to constantly apologize for the worst elements of their religion just like I don’t feel Muslims should have to for Isis or Al Queda. And I don’t feel as a nonbeliever that I have to justify my lack of belief because historical monsters like Stalin and Mao shared it.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:36:25am

re: #196 ObserverArt

Morning!

Which Bible is going to be the one everyone is supposed to study?

The real bible, the Rheims-Douay, of course. Though I might accept the Vulgate for those who can handle Jerome’s Latin.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:36:30am

re: #200 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

China is becoming more hostile to religion, other than the “state approved” churches. It’s not just Muslims and Tibetan Buddhists feeling the heat, but also independent Christian sects and of course the Falun Gong.

The Party wants religion to serve the State, and to give Chinese people some sort of extra moral compass besides the Party’s teachings. But the Party doesn’t want them teaching stuff like there is a higher power than the Party, or people are endowed with fundamental human rights, and all that stuff.

I for one am glad we have your perspective as an educator in China. As you know, I took a couple classes on Chinese history. I find what’s happening very fascinating. I believe President Xi is the first Chinese leader to have been born after Mao took power. Cuba is undergoing a similiar thing with Castro’s successor. What really hurt the USSR in the end was how its leaders did not adopt to the new realities. By the time Gorby came along in the mid 80’s, it was too late. Brezhnev is a fascinating yet I think a Soviet leader that does not get enough attention in history even though he was there from LBJ’s presidency to the early years of Reagan- a good chunk of the Cold War.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:36:48am

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:36:53am

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I get that and I’m Agnostic myself but Christianity like Islam is a big group and there have been comments made about Christians that one would raise a stink eye if they were made about Muslims or a religious minority of any kind. i don’t think Bill or any liberal Christian should have to constantly apologize for the worst elements of their religion just like I don’t feel Muslims should have to for Isis or Al Queda. And I don’t feel as a nonbeliever that I have to justify my lack of belief because historical monsters like Stalin and Mao shared it.

So there are 100 Christians and one atheist. 80 of the Christians are judgmental against atheists and discriminate against them. We all good with that? It’s enough to say “not all do it?”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:38:16am

Evidence for lawsuits over “National Security” declaration

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:38:33am

re: #116 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is glued to his teevee

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Sick of the Trump Thing needing constant praise as his reinforcement. And if he can’t get it, he makes it up.

Who that is a real leader needs to have his staff around him tell him how great he is?

So needy. We only see a part of it. I bet his whole day is searching for someone to tell him how great he is.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:39:16am

Not all priests. Not all trump voters. Not all racists.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:39:41am

re: #202 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember Falun Gong?

FLG is a curiosity. It has some cult-like aspects, but in general it seems like an offshoot of taoism and Buddhism. The Party doesn’t care for FLG because the group opposes the Party, and the leadership of the FLG were getting too powerful and influential. FLG accuses the Chinese prison system of harvesting organs from inmates, but there’s no way of knowing how valid those accusations are. Walking around Hong Kong, you can find FLG protesters with photos as lurid as the ones anti-choice groups display in the USA. FLG is less obnoxious to passers-by than anti-choice nuts, though.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:40:07am

re: #208 Old Liberal

So there are 100 Christians and one atheist. 80 of the Christians are judgmental against atheists and discriminate against them. We all good with that? It’s enough to say “not all do it?”

Those 80 should be seen as what they are but the other 20 shouldn’t be told that they’re responsible for the actions of those 80. I’m not good with any kind of discrimination based on faith or lack of faith. And considering how big Christianity is, I don’t think it’s fair to expect liberal Christians to constantly be told they need to condemn XYZ. I feel the same way about Muslims being told that. Sooner or later you gotta judge people on what they actually do. There are a few liberal Christians here in the community. I don’t feel they think any less of me because I don’t believe in their God.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:41:33am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Evidence for lawsuits over “National Security” declaration

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But I thought it was a crisis.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:42:02am

I am an apatheist now, but was raised a Christian. I am sometimes harsh on religion in general, but especially so on Christianity since that is how I was raised and that is what my direct experiences are. And, in some ways I feel personally responsible for some of the excesses done under its cover.

It is annoying even to me when I say something about “Christians” without being more specific, so I generally, in those cases, put the word in quotes. We need a word for the clearly bad ones, “Mammonites” or “Loud Christians”?

I’m really starting to like “Loud Christians,” it penetrates and rolls off the tongue.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:42:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:42:27am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

The point is that Christianity was always America’s default religion and non-practitioners were hesitant to speak out against any manifestation of a semi-state religion until people like Madeline Murray O’Hare, who was demonized as some sort of anti-American extremist for simply demanding that we observe the tenets of our Constitution.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:42:40am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

But I thought it was a crisis.

Another caravan is coming!! Any day now!! OMG!!

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:43:26am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then he will flee to Moscow…

Good. And then his idiot supporters and excusers will not be able to deny what was up the whole time.

Can we send him today, can we huh?

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:43:56am

re: #214 HappyWarrior

Those 80 should be seen as what they are but the other 20 shouldn’t be told that they’re responsible for the actions of those 80. I’m not good with any kind of discrimination based on faith or lack of faith. And considering how big Christianity is, I don’t think it’s fair to expect liberal Christians to constantly be told they need to condemn XYZ. I feel the same way about Muslims being told that. Sooner or later you gotta judge people on what they actually do. There are a few liberal Christians here in the community. I don’t feel they think any less of me because I don’t believe in their God.

I live in a foreign country. When people here criticize the actions of the US I dont tell them “not all are like that”. I say you’re goddam right about that. See the difference?

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:44:13am

re: #205 Decatur Deb

The real bible, the Rheims-Douay, of course. Though I might accept the Vulgate for those who can handle Jerome’s Latin.

Can we at least have Erasmus’ clean up of it? “It is only fair that Paul should address the Romans in somewhat better Latin.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:44:16am

re: #216 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I am an apatheist now, but was raised a Christian. I am sometimes harsh on religion in general, but especially so on Christianity since that is how I was raised and that is what my direct experiences are. And, in some ways I feel personally responsible for some of the excesses done under its cover.

It is annoying even to me when I say something about “Christians” without being more specific, so I generally, in those cases, put the word in quotes. We need a word for the clearly bad ones, “Mammonites” or “Loud Christians”?

I’m really starting to like “Loud Christians,” it penetrates and rolls off the tongue.

The problem is really the white evangelicals and conservative Catholics. Many Christians are allies of progress, especially the African-American churches (not all, of course).

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:45:44am

re: #218 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is that Christianity was always America’s default religion and non-practitioners were hesitant to speak out against any manifestation of a semi-state religion until people like Madeline Murray O’Hare, who was demonized as some sort of anti-American extremist for simply demanding that we observe the tenets of our Constitution.

I think that’s a different matter all together. FWIW I’m glad O’Hare was there to protest prayer in school. In fact, even though I’m not religious at all myself, I think you can make a very religious based argument against forced prayer in the sense that prayer should be personal and individual and not forced. A prayer isn’t any good if it’s forced. I liked the line Bill shared from his church on confession: All are welcome to confess, some need it more than others, but no one must. Finding the answers to the great theological questions that face us really should be individual and not coerced at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:46:10am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

But I thought it was a crisis.

It’s a preemptive self challenge

Now that’s some three dimensional Tic-Tac-Toe right there

//

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Danack  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:46:24am

re: #200 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

China is becoming more hostile to religion, other than the “state approved” churches.

I wonder why that is: en.wikipedia.org

It’s not surprising that a country that had a religious civil war that killed 50 million people out of about 400 million _might_ have quite strong views against a religion.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:47:29am

re: #193 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Please stop talking about our friend Anymouse in the past tense.

I see a lot of affinity with the fellow (ethnic background, similar jobs, hobbies, even used to drive a Smart) and do hope that he shows up again soon.

Yes, he has taken a break before. Hopefully he will be back.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:47:56am

re: #221 Old Liberal

I live in a foreign country. When people here criticize the actions of the US I dont tell them “not all are like that”. I say you’re goddam right about that. See the difference?

And I’m saying that people’s actions can be seen as a condemnation. I’m not saying that liberal minded theists should ignore or dismiss their brothers in faith’s beliefs but rather that that a loud condemnation isn’t the only thing they can do and that their actions can speak as loud if not louder than words. Take the churches that welcome in refugees. I think they’re doing the goddamned right part by doing that rather than issuing a statement that calls people like Franklin Graham out.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:48:21am

re: #131 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Both my Swedish-American grandmas had Swedish Bibles and dad’s mom belonged to the Vasa Lodge and sometimes read a Swedish newspaper published in the USA.

My father used to get a Catholic Slovak Union newspaper called JEDNOTA that would always fascinate me because I couldn’t even make out the Cyrillic typesetting.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:48:36am

re: #227 Eventual Carrion

Yes, he has taken a break before. Hopefully he will be back.

FWIW as hard as I am being on him here, I hope he will too. I just wish he wouldn’t twist people’s words in discussion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:50:26am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

…I think you can make a very religious based argument against forced prayer in the sense that prayer should be personal and individual and not forced. A prayer isn’t any good if it’s forced.

exactly: I am simply anti-clerical, not against the notion of religious faith

best way to kill faith is to force people to make a false display of it against their will

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:51:09am

re: #209 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Evidence for lawsuits over “National Security” declaration

BUT WE STILL NEED A WALL BUILD THE WONT WALL WONT FALL NATIONAL EMERGENCY WHEN IS MY FAVORITE FOX NEWS SHOW ON AGAIN?

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:51:47am

re: #228 HappyWarrior

And I’m saying that people’s actions can be seen as a condemnation. I’m not saying that liberal minded theists should ignore or dismiss their brothers in faith’s beliefs but rather that that a loud condemnation isn’t the only thing they can do and that their actions can speak as loud if not louder than words. Take the churches that welcome in refugees. I think they’re doing the goddamned right part by doing that rather than issuing a statement that calls people like Franklin Graham out.

They can do both.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:52:22am

re: #144 Kilroy was here

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Trump: Ex-Starbucks CEO Schultz ‘doesn’t have the guts to run for president’

I’m surprised Trump has the guts to say someone else doesn’t have guts to run for president considering how he has been cut down by “Nancy.”

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gwangung  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:52:24am

Down in black and white…

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:52:31am

re: #221 Old Liberal

And you say that for the same reason I don’t say I’m an atheist too loud here.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:53:10am

re: #232 Sir John Barron

BUT WE STILL NEED A WALL BUILD THE WONT WALL WONT FALL NATIONAL EMERGENCY WHEN IS MY FAVORITE FOX NEWS SHOW ON AGAIN?

History of the Ladder

No one really knows when the ladder was invented. However, the earliest evidence of it is located in Valencia, Spain. The Spider Caves have a Mesolithic rock painting of a ladder that’s about 10,000 years old. This painting shows two men using a ladder to access a wild honeybee nest, most likely to get honey. The painting shows a flexible ladder that was made up of some kind of grass.

While this is the first evidence of the ladder, most researchers are certain it is much older than that. The roots of the functional design of ladders as we know them today, can be traced right back to the ancient Hebrew and Egyptian cultures; these are the civilizations that developed and perfected it. Over the years, different kinds of ladders have been created to suit different purposes.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:53:29am

re: #234 ObserverArt

I’m surprised Trump has the guts to say someone else doesn’t have guts to run for president considering how he has been cut down by “Nancy.”

He’s heard that liberals are scared of Schultz running and is trying to push him to run.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:53:35am

re: #233 Old Liberal

They can do both.

And many do. I’m just saying they shouldn’t constantly be told that if they’re not constantly condemning that means they accept or okay with it. Do we as atheists need to constantly point out how not believing in God doesn’t make us akin to Stalin or Mao? I’m just saying. Yeah definitely encourage Christians and believers to condemn the worst aspects of their faith but don’t constantly be an ass about it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:54:26am

re: #235 gwangung

Down in black and white…

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It is.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:55:21am

Anyhow I’m done with this argument because I made my piece on it a few years ago but basically my argument is this. People are people. Some have religion. Some don’t. I have no idea what lies beyond this world so I try to make this world as good as I can for me and my neighbors regardless of what we believe happens next.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:56:29am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly: I am simply anti-clerical, not against the notion of religious faith

best way to kill faith is to force people to make a false display of it against their will

There’s a reason why my Dad and his siblings despite being the products of parochial school didn’t and don’t have any kids or grandchildren enrolled them in them.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:56:39am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly: I am simply anti-clerical, not against the notion of religious faith

best way to kill faith is to force people to make a false display of it against their will

Given my mother’s history, I could never be a Roman Catholic - my own anti-clerical streak has a very strong (yeah, I’ll call it this) bias in that respect. I found the Episcopalian/Anglican tradition a relief because I could have the ritual I loved with a much saner approach to the issues of authority and teaching. For example, we Elect our bishops from a slate of those who choose to run.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:56:39am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I’m done with this argument because I made my piece on it a few years ago but basically my argument is this. People are people. Some have religion. Some don’t. I have no idea what lies beyond this world so I try to make this world as good as I can for me and my neighbors regardless of what we believe happens next.

I am just glad that God gave our Founding Fathers the divine foresight to separate Church from State and prevent or at least mitigate theological disputes from spilling over into political strife.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:56:49am

re: #222 William Lewis

Can we at least have Erasmus’ clean up of it? “It is only fair that Paul should address the Romans in somewhat better Latin.”

After the “Encomium Moriae” pun, there is no forgiveness for Erasmus.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:58:19am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

And many do. I’m just saying they shouldn’t constantly be told that if they’re not constantly condemning that means they accept or okay with it. Do we as atheists need to constantly point out how not believing in God doesn’t make us akin to Stalin or Mao? I’m just saying. Yeah definitely encourage Christians and believers to condemn the worst aspects of their faith but don’t constantly be an ass about it.

Actually we do have to keep saying that over and over again. And if we don’t it will never change. Are Good Christians demanding sermons against Jeffries and Graham? Are they hearing these sermons? My experience from being in a Christian church is “don’t rock the boat”.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:59:01am

re: #140 makeitstop

Heading to NYC…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:01:36am

re: #246 Old Liberal

Actually we do have to keep saying that over and over again. And if we don’t it will never change. Are Good Christians demanding sermons against Jeffries and Graham? Are they hearing these sermons? My experience from being in a Christian church is “don’t rock the boat”.

Do you expect the same of every Muslim when it comes to ISIS? Again, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this. I can’t constantly be expecting people to condemn the worst elements of something so huge.

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:01:59am

Out for now. Have a good day.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:03:33am

re: #243 William Lewis

Given my mother’s history, I could never be a Roman Catholic - my own anti-clerical streak has a very strong (yeah, I’ll call it this) bias in that respect. I found the Episcopalian/Anglican tradition a relief because I could have the ritual I loved with a much saner approach to the issues of authority and teaching. For example, we Elect our bishops from a slate of those who choose to run.

At the same time though, I’ve never seen you go out of your way to dismiss someone because they have a RCC background or anything like that. Anglicanism interests me because of how it’s evolved from its start as just being Henry VIII’s quick way of getting a divorce to a leader on many issues. I’m even surprised given how pro-choice some Anglican/Episcopal leaders can be.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:03:55am

re: #249 Old Liberal

Out for now. Have a good day.

Same. No hard feelings btw. We just have a different take on it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:04:31am

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am just glad that God gave our Founding Fathers the divine foresight to separate Church from State and prevent or at least mitigate theological disputes from spilling over into political strife.

Absolutely. And you know, I wish more religious people would know that separation of church and state is good for their religion as well.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:06:41am

re: #246 Old Liberal

I can not speak to others, or their churches. But in my parish, I have occasionally preached (officially, “offered a meditation on the scripture” :D ) and my emphasis has always been on Orthopraxy and opposition to the heresy of inerrancy and the idolatry of certainty. Doubt is the sacrament of reason and is the most important of our (I believe) god given gifts to oppose those like Franklin Graham.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:06:59am

So, who’s ready for another awesome infrastructure week?

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Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:08:36am

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Same. No hard feelings btw. We just have a different take on it.

Sure. There is a nuance here. If someone says “ it’s terrible that priests are molesting kids” instead of saying “not all priests” say “ yes it’s awful”. Pretty easy. If someone says “every single priest is molesting kids” then demand evidence. Bye.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:09:04am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

So, who’s ready for another awesome infrastructure week?

Not Caterpillar.

marketwatch.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:10:22am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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Oh I want to get a slice and smear some Welch’s grape jelly on it!

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:10:58am

re: #175 Old Liberal

Reagan: black bucks buying steak, welfare queen in Cadillac, unions bad, government is your enemy, war on drugs, homosexuals and AIDS, taxes are theft, America as military bully, Christianity foundation of America, trickle down economics. All these tropes are still dragging us down. Courtesy of Reagan.

Amen!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:11:04am

The “Bros” seem to be terrified of Senator Harris.
(or is it women in general?)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:11:18am

re: #255 Old Liberal

Sure. There is a nuance here. If someone says “ it’s terrible that priests are molesting kids” instead of saying “not all priests” say “ yes it’s awful”. Pretty easy. If someone says “every single priest is molesting kids” then demand evidence. Bye.

Bingo. We agree absolutely. Not all so and so isn’t a condemnation. A lot of the responses I saw from Catholic groups about the kids and the priests disgusted me. I never knew my father’s uncle, a priest but I really hope he didn’t do anything like that or if he knew about tried to stop it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:12:33am

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The “Bros” seem to be terrified of Senator Harris.
(or is it women in general?)

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The Bro-Alex Jones Axis coming close together.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:13:00am

That dude Beck seems like a more crazy H.A. Goodman.

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ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:13:36am

re: #222 William Lewis

Can we at least have Erasmus’ clean up of it? “It is only fair that Paul should address the Romans in somewhat better Latin.”

See there it is…already the need for an interpretation.

That ol’ slippery slope. /

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:14:18am

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The “Bros” seem to be terrified of Senator Harris.
(or is it women in general?)

Imagine how a Bro would feel if his girlfriend told him she would prosecute him if he so much as jaywalked.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:14:51am

re: #190 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

O’Reilly’s life is not worth $244.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:18:24am

re: #207 The Vicious Babushka

GOOD MORNING LIZARDIA!

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I wish I had a good chunk of that to dip into my homemade soup!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:19:38am

Off to “help” the plumber install a new water heater.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:21:25am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:31:15am

re: #268 jaunte

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:32:29am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Off to “help” the plumber install a new water heater.

Hah, I’m having plumbing work done today, too.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:33:23am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

So, who’s ready for another awesome infrastructure week?

I am I am!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:36:18am

Border patrol assholes at the US-Canada border, because why not

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:36:42am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see the bros are out attacking Kamala (and a few are even claiming she doesn’t have any experience), which is particularly rich since she’s a state AG and a US Senator.

You don’t hear those criticisms leveled at Schultz, who has never had an elected job and whose company sells overpriced shitty coffee (especially outside Seattle, where it’s actually adequately overpriced coffee).

He’s also spewing nonsense and deflecting on taxes affecting corporations.

You’re running for president. Taxes are a huge issue. If you can’t take the heat on taxes, you don’t deserve to be in office, especially the WH.

So, yeah Schultz is a strong no.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:38:23am

re: #272 Myron Falwell

Border patrol assholes at the US-Canada border, because why not

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You know, the open borders now types can be a bit obnoxious but I definitely wouldn’t mind a solution to both the Mexican and Canadian border that makes it more like the EU. Maybe a little different since our borders are much bigger than those ones but I wouldn’t discount it either.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:38:24am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

So, who’s ready for another awesome infrastructure week?

If it went like this past infrastructure week, I’m 100% down with it! :D

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:39:30am

re: #273 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see the bros are out attacking Kamala (and a few are even claiming she doesn’t have any experience), which is particularly rich since she’s a state AG and a US Senator.

an awful lot of brodom is made up of ratfuckers and trolls who want to see unelectable candidates up against Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:39:35am

re: #273 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see the bros are out attacking Kamala (and a few are even claiming she doesn’t have any experience), which is particularly rich since she’s a state AG and a US Senator.

You don’t hear those criticisms leveled at Schultz, who has never had an elected job and whose company sells overpriced shitty coffee (especially outside Seattle, where it’s actually adequately overpriced coffee).

He’s also spewing nonsense and deflecting on taxes affecting corporations.

You’re running for president. Taxes are a huge issue. If you can’t take the heat on taxes, you don’t deserve to be in office, especially the WH.

So, yeah Schultz is a strong no.

She’s been in the Senate the same amount of time as Obama was, was her state’s AG, and was her county DA. They may not like her experience and how she’s done in those experiences but she is definitely qualified and definitely more qualified than Schultz.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:41:33am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

You know, the open borders now types can be a bit obnoxious but I definitely wouldn’t mind a solution to both the Mexican and Canadian border that makes it more like the EU. Maybe a little different since our borders are much bigger than those ones but I wouldn’t discount it either.

Agreed. All that this is doing is just sheer assholery that accomplishes nothing and poisons the water between average folk and the mere concept of a border patrol.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:41:52am

re: #268 jaunte

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I’m not going to fret about Schultz. If he is running on cutting Social Security and Medicare, he’s only going to get the votes of Republicans who find Trump distasteful.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:42:55am

Updated tier ranking of declared and potential to declare:

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, , Castro,
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney, Buttigieg
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Schultz, Bernie, Tulsi.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:43:07am

re: #279 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m not going to fret about Schultz. If he is running on cutting Social Security and Medicare, he’s only going to get the votes of Republicans who find Trump distasteful.

He seems to be what Bloomberg wanted to be.

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gwangung  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:43:15am

re: #273 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see the bros are out attacking Kamala (and a few are even claiming she doesn’t have any experience), which is particularly rich since she’s a state AG and a US Senator.

You don’t hear those criticisms leveled at Schultz, who has never had an elected job and whose company sells overpriced shitty coffee (especially outside Seattle, where it’s actually adequately overpriced coffee).

He’s also spewing nonsense and deflecting on taxes affecting corporations.

You’re running for president. Taxes are a huge issue. If you can’t take the heat on taxes, you don’t deserve to be in office, especially the WH.

So, yeah Schultz is a strong no.

Definitely a concerted effort to de-legitimize her. There were folks out there questioning her blackness. They had a black face as their avatar, but I’m thinking that it doesn’t match their reality….

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danarchy  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:43:48am

re: #273 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see the bros are out attacking Kamala (and a few are even claiming she doesn’t have any experience), which is particularly rich since she’s a state AG and a US Senator.

You don’t hear those criticisms leveled at Schultz, who has never had an elected job and whose company sells overpriced shitty coffee (especially outside Seattle, where it’s actually adequately overpriced coffee).

Not for nothing, but I am pretty sure I have heard a resounding chorus of those criticisms leveled at Schultz.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:44:11am

re: #280 lawhawk

Updated tier ranking of declared and potential to declare:

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, , Castro,
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney, Buttigieg
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Schultz, Bernie, Tulsi.

Yeah I’ll put Schultz in tier 5 too. Bloomberg, not a huge fan of his mayorial experience but it wasn’t all bad and he is experienced. I think the five tier system works best.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:44:59am

re: #282 gwangung

Definitely a concerted effort to de-legitimize her. There were folks out there questioning her blackness. They had a black face as their avatar, but I’m thinking that it doesn’t match their reality….

Yeah I’m seeing a lot of it. There definitely are a lot of people who fear her.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:45:36am

re: #281 HappyWarrior

He seems to be what Bloomberg wanted to be.

With the exception that Bloomberg realizes you will have to run in the system, i.e., as a Democrat or Republican.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:46:31am

re: #280 lawhawk

Updated tier ranking of declared and potential to declare:

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, , Castro,
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney, Buttigieg
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Schultz, Bernie, Tulsi.

Bloomberg is beyond even Five for me. Him and Schultz deserve a Tier Six: No MF’n way in hell, armed revolution first.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:47:28am

re: #286 Belafon

With the exception that Bloomberg realizes you will have to run in the system, i.e., as a Democrat or Republican.

Sure but I mean the business guy thing with fairly moderate views on both social issues and economics. Someone who says little by saying a lot. You know the “as a businessman” or “In business we do things like this.”

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:48:32am

I do miss statesmen rather than smug businessmen who think that the government is anything like their business.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:49:07am

re: #280 lawhawk

Updated tier ranking of declared and potential to declare:

Tier One: Harris, Booker, Warren, Klobuchar, Gillibrand (no order ranking yet)
Tier Two: Beto, Brown, Garcetti, Inslee, , Castro,
Tier Three: McAuliffe, Delaney, Buttigieg
Tier Four: Bloomberg, Biden
Tier Five (don’t just go away.. go home): Schultz, Bernie, Tulsi.

I’m interested to see what kind of campaign Booker runs, should he get in.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:49:24am

Except I would replace the word “gullibility” with “Why the Gillette ad is accurate, you toxic taintwits”:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:51:06am

re: #290 Sir John Barron

I’m interested to see what kind of campaign Booker runs, should he get in.

Booker is somewhere between 1 and 2 for me. There’s a lot I like about him. CJ reform and I love love how he responds to questions about his sexuality. But I wish he had a little more populist in his streak but I like him personally. But what I really like about him as well as Castro is both have executive and legislative experience.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:51:12am

We’re 11 months away from Iowa and already the 2020 Election is turning into a shitshow.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:51:37am

re: #287 William Lewis

Tier 5 is that point for me. Bloomberg is slightly better than that, if only because he has experience in running a major metro area - NYC - and has more experience governing than some of the others on the list. In fact, he’s had to govern more people than people who live in a couple of states combined.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:51:37am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re 11 months away from Iowa and already the 2020 Election is turning into a shitshow.

It was always going to be a shitshow.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:53:59am

In the end, I wish more businessmen and women would realize that government is a different animal than business. In business, you’re trying to make profits and sell a product. Government is different. One cliche I just want to die a painful death is “run government like a business.” I hold Romney largely responsible for pushing that shit.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:54:50am

Thread

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:56:56am

re: #297 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Trump lies and misrepresents yet again.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:56:59am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Booker is somewhere between 1 and 2 for me. There’s a lot I like about him. CJ reform and I love love how he responds to questions about his sexuality. But I wish he had a little more populist in his streak but I like him personally. But what I really like about him as well as Castro is both have executive and legislative experience.

Yeah I’m not saying I’m for him. I just wonder what sort of campaign he’d run. Unconventional I’d expect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:58:47am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

In the end, I wish more businessmen and women would realize that government is a different animal than business. In business, you’re trying to make profits and sell a product. Government is different. One cliche I just want to die a painful death is “run government like a business.” I hold Romney largely responsible for pushing that shit.

On one level I do believe government and business should run the same in that they should both be run responsibly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:59:42am

re: #300 Eclectic Cyborg

On one level I do believe government and business should run the same in that they should both be run responsibly.

Same obviously. But as for how they’re run, totally different.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:00:25am

Yes, there is a better way but I’d get banned from Twitter for suggesting it. (My suggestion that Howard Schultz make sweet, sweet love to himself using various farm tools)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:00:27am

re: #301 HappyWarrior

Same obviously. But as for how they’re run, totally different.

Of course. Businesses are for the benefit of the shareholders. Government is for the benefit of the people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:00:33am

re: #295 HappyWarrior

It was always going to be a shitshow.

one that starts earlier and earlier each year

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:00:35am

re: #299 Sir John Barron

Yeah I’m not saying I’m for him. I just wonder what sort of campaign he’d run. Unconventional I’d expect.

Same. He strikes me as socially liberal as most of the others but maybe a little more economically moderate.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:08am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re 11 months away from Iowa and already the 2020 Election is turning into a shitshow.

I heard that in 2003, 2007, and 2015.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:11am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

There’s a better way but it doesn’t involve electing someone else who is wealthy and inexperienced to the White House.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:13am

re: #300 Eclectic Cyborg

On one level I do believe government and business should run the same in that they should both be run responsibly.

And that is where the comparison ends

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:20am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, there is a better way but I’d get banned from Twitter for suggesting it. (My suggestion that Howard Schultz make sweet, sweet love to himself using various farm tools)

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The silent majority. Quoting Nixon. Not really a good luck Howie.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:41am

re: #303 Eclectic Cyborg

Of course. Businesses are for the benefit of the shareholders. Government is for the benefit of the people.

Exactly.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:01:42am

re: #291 Interesting Times

Except I would replace the word “gullibility” with “Why the Gillette ad is accurate, you toxic taintwits”:

May I ask what’s in the picture?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:03:06am

re: #306 Belafon

I heard that in 2003, 2007, and 2015.

I just…man. I’ve been in this country for almost 11 years now and I still find U.S. election cycles so freaking exhausting and drawn out. In Canada, if an election gets called, the vote MUST be held within 120 days. There’s none of this endless campaigning crap I see all the time in American politics.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:03:52am

re: #311 Belafon

May I ask what’s in the picture?

Comparisons of how Men and Women feel about Trump. SPOILER: Men like him about twice as much.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:04:05am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, there is a better way but I’d get banned from Twitter for suggesting it. (My suggestion that Howard Schultz make sweet, sweet love to himself using various farm tools)

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Only the Coffee Boy knows how to fix it! He alone can rise above parties!

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:04:09am

re: #293 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re 11 months away from Iowa and already the 2020 Election is turning into a shitshow.

Most of the time, there are people who think they can run for President and wind up backing down when it’s obvious to anyone with a pulse that they have no chance in the initial caucuses and primaries.

Here, there are three (Tulsi, Bernie and Schultz**) with the possibility of a fourth (Bloomberg). None of them have a shot of making a dent anywhere but they all want the attention right now, and so do their supporters on social media. But it’s all vaporware.

**I’m lumping in Schultz even though it’s apparent he wants to bothsides his way out of any support whatsoever.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:06:13am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Booker is somewhere between 1 and 2 for me. There’s a lot I like about him. CJ reform and I love love how he responds to questions about his sexuality. But I wish he had a little more populist in his streak but I like him personally. But what I really like about him as well as Castro is both have executive and legislative experience.

Economically conservative is where I think he falls. He’s got a Wall Street streak, which makes sense since many of his constituents and donors have jobs thanks to Wall Street and the NYC metro area.

Doesn’t mean he couldn’t support taxes on the millionaire class, but that’s not going to be his primary focus.

Some of the issues that will come up re: Booker are the crime issues in Newark when he was mayor there, the lead in water issue (which came up after he became a US Senator, but probably should have been uncovered sooner), and his support for charter schools, which haven’t delivered the results.

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Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:06:13am

re: #311 Belafon

May I ask what’s in the picture?

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:06:25am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, there is a better way but I’d get banned from Twitter for suggesting it. (My suggestion that Howard Schultz make sweet, sweet love to himself using various farm tools)

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:07:35am

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

I just…man. I’ve been in this country for almost 11 years now and I still find U.S. election cycles so freaking exhausting and drawn out. In Canada, if an election gets called, the vote MUST be held within 120 days. There’s none of this endless campaigning crap I see all the time in American politics.

It’s a consequence of having fixed elections. And as much as I hate the drawn out period - I think it can be fixed with some fixes to campaign financing - the flip side is what we’re seeing in England: The government controlling elections means one party can completely ignore them if they’re scared of the result.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:08:41am

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

I just…man. I’ve been in this country for almost 11 years now and I still find U.S. election cycles so freaking exhausting and drawn out. In Canada, if an election gets called, the vote MUST be held within 120 days. There’s none of this endless campaigning crap I see all the time in American politics.

It is also a product of a 24-hours news broadcast cycle that must be filled.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:09:25am

re: #317 Interesting Times

I think we’d see an even bigger split on m/f if you break out by political party.

Trump’s base is the angry white guy who thinks that tax cuts for millionaires helps them. The GOP and Fox have been misleading them for 40 years into thinking that gutting civil and voting rights for women and minorities will somehow help them.

They’re indoctrinated. And you’re not going to convince them otherwise.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:10:57am

re: #316 lawhawk

Economically conservative is where I think he falls. He’s got a Wall Street streak, which makes sense since many of his constituents and donors have jobs thanks to Wall Street and the NYC metro area.

Doesn’t mean he couldn’t support taxes on the millionaire class, but that’s not going to be his primary focus.

Some of the issues that will come up re: Booker are the crime issues in Newark when he was mayor there, the lead in water issue (which came up after he became a US Senator, but probably should have been uncovered sooner), and his support for charter schools, which haven’t delivered the results.

Right.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:12:03am
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Dr. Matt  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:15:14am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Roger Stone Accuses Feds Of Vilifying Him With ‘Gestapo Tactics’

Coming from the “Blue Lives Matter” crowd.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:15:57am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You and your wife were not only unharmed but you were okay enough to make it to Tucker and Cuomo to complain. I missed where Pablo and Osama got that luxury. Fuck off dude. You got treated no different than anybody else.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:16:00am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:16:33am

Well, this is going to be really big news on FOX
This will probably torch a load of Dem party local candidates in upcoming elections

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sagehen  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:17:35am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

I can’t figure Reagan out because I don’t know too much about the man but I think he was a cynic beneath the sunny optimism that he liked to portray. He was fine with the New Deal for a long time but he started drifting right around the time the Dems started championing the idea that the promise of the New Deal should be for all people. Now I don’t think his rightward move was exclusively racially based but you can’t tell me that Reagan didn’t have huge racial blinders.

nah…

it’s that in 1954 he signed an 8-year contract with Westinghouse. Besides hosting GE Theater on TV, he also spent 3 months a year touring the country with Westinghouse and GE execs, and they worked on him hard.
historynewsnetwork.org

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:17:51am

re: #327 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well, this is going to be really big news on FOX
This will probably torch a load of Dem party local candidates in upcoming elections

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WTF.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:18:44am

re: #328 sagehen

nah…

it’s that in 1954 he signed an 8-year contract with Westinghouse. Besides hosting GE Theater on TV, he also spent 3 months a year touring the country with Westinghouse and GE execs, and they worked on him hard.
historynewsnetwork.org

Fair enough. I do think the man did have an indifference towards racism tho.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:18:50am

Looks like Roger is using Donnie Brand Makeup for “men”.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:18:56am

re: #323 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sure sounds like he’s setting the template for Corsi, Junior and others to follow after they get arrested. It’s so ridiculously lame.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:19:14am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:19:20am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

Looks like Roger is using Donnie Brand Makeup for “men”.

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Heaven’s Gate cosplay.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:20:52am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

Looks like Roger is using Donnie Brand Makeup for “men”.

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Or he swiped an extra shipment of hair dye from Lou Dobbs’ desk as makeup while Lou wasn’t paying attention lol

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:21:06am

The way I was treated was worse than those two guys who were killed! I’m also telling you this not from a cell! Conservatives love tough on crime for other people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:21:25am

re: #319 Belafon

It’s a consequence of having fixed elections. And as much as I hate the drawn out period - I think it can be fixed with some fixes to campaign financing - the flip side is what we’re seeing in England: The government controlling elections means one party can completely ignore them if they’re scared of the result.

Agreed. In Canada the ruling party is giving a 5 year term and is required by law to call an election before that term ends. Typically this happens at the 4 year mark though we’ve sometimes seen 3 year and even 1 year depending on how things break out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:22:36am

re: #331 Dr. Matt

Looks like Roger is using Donnie Brand Makeup for “men”.

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He looks like Max Headrooms dad.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:24:03am

Stone should ask Philando Castile about mistreatment.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:24:13am

Orange Pride!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:31:35am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

After the “Encomium Moriae” pun, there is no forgiveness for Erasmus.

Moria was a lovely place before the Orcs ruined it. Just saying.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:38:03am

re: #341 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Moria was a lovely place before the Orcs ruined it. Just saying.

really, one used to be able to simply walk into it

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:38:54am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

really, one used to be able to just walk there

I thought that was Mordor.

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CleverToad  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:42:48am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

After the “Encomium Moriae” pun, there is no forgiveness for Erasmus.

Damn, I had to go look that up…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:44:08am

re: #343 The Vicious Babushka

I thought that was Mordor.

true, the other one is just for walking through

and fleeing, you fools!!!

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:47:19am

re: #241 HappyWarrior

Anyhow I’m done with this argument because I made my piece on it a few years ago but basically my argument is this. People are people. Some have religion. Some don’t. I have no idea what lies beyond this world so I try to make this world as good as I can for me and my neighbors regardless of what we believe happens next.

That is why I like the saying about religion, “They can’t all be right, but they could all be wrong”.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:47:37am

re: #344 CleverToad

Damn, I had to go look that up…

Ya hadda be there…

Plumber didn’t show. Wonder if that’s ever happened before.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:48:22am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

The way I was treated was worse than those two guys who were killed! I’m also telling you this not from a cell! Conservatives love tough on crime for other people.

Remember when Drump said about arresting criminals, “Don’t be gentle”?

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:51:21am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

true, the other one is just for walking through

and fleeing, you fools!!!

I did tell you to fly you fools /Gandalf the Grey

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:53:17am

re: #291 Interesting Times

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:53:27am

re: #336 HappyWarrior

The way I was treated was worse than those two guys who were killed! I’m also telling you this not from a cell! Conservatives love tough on crime for other people.

The Steve Martin play on SNL was pretty good. Always enjoyed Steve Martin.

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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:54:07am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. And you know, I wish more religious people would know that separation of church and state is good for their religion as well.

It was religious people that pushed for the separation to begin with. The smaller denominations were afraid they would be marginalized and maligned by the government as they had been by the British.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:54:51am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:54:57am

re: #352 Eventual Carrion

It was religious people that pushed for the separation to begin with. The smaller denominations were afraid they would be marginalized and maligned by the government as they had been by the British.

Exactly

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:55:28am

re: #352 Eventual Carrion

It was religious people that pushed for the separation to begin with. The smaller denominations were afraid they would be marginalized and maligned by the government as they had been by the British.

It was in the Cold War Era was it was broadly seen as a plot on the part of Godless Communists to banish God from public life.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:56:56am
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Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:57:59am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

So, who’s ready for another awesome infrastructure week?

I am as long as the infrastructure news is about a holding cell at a federal lockup containing a new resident from this maladministration.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:58:40am

re: #357 Eventual Carrion

Presidential wing at Florence ADX getting built?

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Citizen K  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:00:14am

Jesus fuck. Putting it in words like this really puts the lie to the PC bullshit. The last sentence especially. The only thing missing is a dash of “identity politics” in sarcasquotes too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:04:40am

re: #359 Citizen K

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Jesus fuck. Putting it in words like this really puts the lie to the PC bullshit. The last sentence especially. The only thing missing is a dash of “identity politics” in sarcasquotes too.

It will be really interesting to see how things change when the demographics shift in less than 20 years.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:05:38am

re: #360 Eclectic Cyborg

It will be really interesting to see how things change when the demographics shift in less than 20 years.

Whites will not be the majority but still be the largest group.

I really think that fears of their genocide are premature…

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:07:21am
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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:07:21am

re: #330 HappyWarrior

Fair enough. I do think the man did have an indifference towards racism tho.

The bigger problem was Nancy. He’d do anything she said. She was always Republican so he became one too. She decided he should be in politics, so etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:07:29am

re: #361 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Would the largest group not, by definition, be the majority?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:08:20am

re: #364 Eclectic Cyborg

Would the largest group not, by definition, be the majority?

plurality = still the largest

just not more than 50%

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nines09  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:08:53am
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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:08:57am

“First Thoughts” don’t necessarily include information gained by experience or research.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:09:54am

re: #363 William Lewis

The bigger problem was Nancy. He’d do anything she said. She was always Republican so he became one too. She decided he should be in politics, so etc.

Didn’t know she pushed his career.

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:10:11am

Corruption in plain sight.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:11:09am

re: #362 jaunte

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Haven’t seen her say a damn thing about Trump constantly campaigning. Hypocrite

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jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:12:16am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Maybe the laziest propagandist out there.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:12:49am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know she pushed his career.

She wanted the glamour of being 1st lady and the clothing budget, I think. They’d scream about Welfare and then drop $50k on A dress for her.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:13:12am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Haven’t seen her say a damn thing about Trump constantly campaigning. Hypocrite

why is Barack Hussein Obama always campaigning?!??!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:13:20am

re: #372 William Lewis

She wanted the glamour of being 1st lady and the clothing budget, I think. They’d scream about Welfare and then drop $50k on A dress for her.

That definitely sounds Republican.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:13:28am

re: #371 jaunte

Maybe the laziest propagandist out there.

Yeah. Like when she attacks celebrities for having opinions. Millennial flavored Coulter is lazy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:14:07am

re: #372 William Lewis

She wanted the glamour of being 1st lady and the clothing budget, I think. They’d scream about Welfare and then drop $50k on A dress for her.

Yeah I just didn’t know she pushed his career. Interesting

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:18:42am

re: #362 jaunte

Boy, I wish Cruz and Rubio had been forced to resign.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:20:38am

re: #365 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

plurality = still the largest

just not more than 50%

Then throwing the result through gender, age, and other filters makes the concept of “majority” less useful. We are going to slice and dice our way into a second Trump term.

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danarchy  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:23:54am

re: #361 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whites will not be the majority but still be the largest group.

I really think that fears of their genocide are premature…

Hispanics mostly self identify as white(because they are) and when you look at the demographic projections there is usually an asterisk that specifies non-hispanic whites. Given a couple generations and they will just be white and the majority will be maintained.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:24:04am

re: #378 Decatur Deb

Then throwing the result through gender, age, and other filters makes the concept of “majority” less useful. We are going to slice and dice our way into a second Trump term.

This is the fear. That the left starts infighting because supporters of various top candidates can’t bear to vote for anyone else, there’s a split of left leaning votes and Trump dashes through the middle and wins another term. Republicans may be terrible, but they can unify behind a candidate like nobodys business.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:26:58am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

This is the fear. That the left starts infighting because supporters of various top candidates can’t bear to vote for anyone else, there’s a split of left leaning votes and Trump dashes through the middle and wins another term. Republicans may be terrible, but they can unify behind a candidate like nobodys business.

remember how Trump got through the crowded GOP field in 2016

and despite all attempts from twitter and FB to keep a lid on it, there will be Russian bots all over and tons of ratfucking to ensure a divided Democratic vote.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:29:24am

“I used to know what it felt like to stand in the sun”

For some reason, that line really hit me this morning. I yearn for the days when I can just stand in the sunshine, and feel, if only for a moment, that things are OK.

That the people in charge of the United States of America are actually trying to make things BETTER, rather than actively trying to smash everything to bits, set it on fire and laugh at other’s agony.

Feeling kinda dark today, really. Sorry, folks.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:29:52am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

This is the fear. That the left starts infighting because supporters of various top candidates can’t bear to vote for anyone else, there’s a split of left leaning votes and Trump dashes through the middle and wins another term. Republicans may be terrible, but they can unify behind a candidate like nobodys business.

Look again at Frum’s statement: “American men have a gullibility problem”. Except the chart doesn’t show anything except that slightly more than half of American men are not buying Trump’s package. The chart shows American men don’t agree on shit, and the women are only slightly more pissed.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:30:07am

re: #380 Eclectic Cyborg

This is the fear. That the left starts infighting because supporters of various top candidates can’t bear to vote for anyone else, there’s a split of left leaning votes and Trump dashes through the middle and wins another term. Republicans may be terrible, but they can unify behind a candidate like nobodys business.

It kind of depends on the candidates. Note that in elections last year, when the primaries ended, in almost all cases the Democratic loser not only backed the winner, but actively campaigned for the winner.

I can only think of a couple of candidates that haven’t followed that pattern in the past, and one of them isn’t a registered Democrat.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:31:18am

re: #382 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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“I used to know what it felt like to stand in the sun”

For some reason, that line really hit me this morning. I yearn for the days when I can just stand in the sunshine, and feel, if only for a moment, that things are OK.

That the people in charge of the United States of America are actually trying to make things BETTER, rather than actively trying to smash everything to bits, set it on fire and laugh at other’s agony.

Feeling kinda dark today, really. Sorry, folks.

No reason to apologize. Funny thing is, with all the environmental rollbacks the Trump admin is going for, they are actively trying to inhibit our ability to stand in the sun, lest the view be blocked by clouds of pollution.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:32:52am

Meanwhile, Twitter is actually trying to crack down on the campaign of organized harassment that originated on 4Chan, that is tweeting variations of “Learn to code” at the journalists that were laid off last week.

There are tools that allow you to track accounts like this back to their origins. This should be done, if for no other reason than to stave off the next round of pipe bombs/Anthrax that these deranged fucks will unleash as their world comes crashing down.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:36:35am

re: #385 Eclectic Cyborg

No reason to apologize. Funny thing is, with all the environmental rollbacks the Trump admin is going for, they are actively trying to inhibit our ability to stand in the sun, lest the view be blocked by clouds of pollution.

Yeah, the data point that got to me over the weekend was the one talking about the exponential increase in oceanic acidification.

It said that at current rates, there may be no more saltwater fish by 2049, because they can no longer survive in the toxic hellbrew that is the world’s oceans. No oceanic algae converting CO2 to oxygen?

That’s Game Over for all biological life on earth.

388
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:38:34am

re: #387 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Speak for yourself, Hemoglobin-boy.

389
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:40:54am
390
Old Liberal  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:41:16am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

Yes, there is a better way but I’d get banned from Twitter for suggesting it. (My suggestion that Howard Schultz make sweet, sweet love to himself using various farm tools)

[Embedded content]

See, on this side you have extremists who oppose kidnapping children and putting them in cages. And over there are people who think that is great. But what about the people in the middle?

391
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:42:19am

re: #389 Belafon

“The president has gotta almost ignore people”

Imagine Trump trying to figure out what to do without considering his audience.

392
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:44:11am

I never thought I’d see the day Fox would turn on Ann Coulter. Strange times, indeed.

393
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:45:06am

CBO reports the Trump Shutdown cost the economy $11 Billion.

#somuchwinning

394
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:47:17am

re: #393 Eclectic Cyborg

CBO reports the Trump Shutdown cost the economy $11 Billion.

#somuchwinning

Fake CBO.

395
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:49:30am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

I never thought I’d see the day Fox would turn on Ann Coulter. Strange times, indeed.

She turned on DrumP. Can’t do that.

396
BlueGrl21  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:50:04am

re: #370 HappyWarrior

Haven’t seen her say a damn thing about Trump constantly campaigning. Hypocrite

Tabby Lulumon is one of the most genuinely stupid people I have ever seen enter our national public discourse.

397
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:50:07am

re: #393 Eclectic Cyborg

That hashtag took me somewhere else. Did it expire?

398
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:51:48am

re: #397 Decatur Deb

That hashtag took me somewhere else. Did it expire?

I think they’re just using it in place of the full sentence.

399
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:52:36am
400
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:53:29am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

I never thought I’d see the day Fox would turn on Ann Coulter. Strange times, indeed.

She went after a sitting Republican President.

401
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:54:21am

re: #399 jaunte

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Yeah Ben because Stalin gave bail and let them go on TV. Stop drawing cartoons you’re a joke.

402
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:54:27am

re: #399 jaunte

There are still 2 years left for DJT’s term. Plenty of time for more really bad Garrison cartoons.

403
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:55:11am

re: #398 Belafon

I think they’re just using it in place of the full sentence.

Ah. Must be a name for that twittering device.

404
Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:55:20am

Bwahaha:

405
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:56:19am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

There are still 2 years left for DJT’s term. Plenty of time for more really bad Garrison cartoons.

Scary thought because his cartoons get dumber daily.

406
PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:56:56am

re: #404 Interesting Times

Everyone loves Pop-Tarts. They might have a chance. /half

407
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:56:58am

re: #389 Belafon

Newt Gingrich: President Trump “should not pay any attention to Ann Coulter. Ann Coulter’s never run for office, she doesn’t know anything about how you put a majority together. She’s off here in some fantasyland where she gets to be noisy which helps her sell books.”

She is one of the reasons that Trump decided to shut down the government

408
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:57:29am

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

I never thought I’d see the day Fox would turn on Ann Coulter. Strange times, indeed.

I seem to recall that she turned on him long ago

409
bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:57:35am

re: #404 Interesting Times

Bwahaha:

[Embedded content]

I like this guy:

410
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:58:50am

re: #399 jaunte

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you, the worst Ben Garrison cartoon ever.

Remember that drinking game I proposed about downing one shot for every time they mention “Gestapo tactics”?

That cartoon would call for chugging a whole bottle of Stolichnaya…

411
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:59:53am

re: #406 PhillyPretzel

Everyone loves Pop-Tarts. They might have a chance. /half

If I were electing a coffee to office, I’d go with Chock Full O’Nuts.

412
Sea Mexican  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:00:52am

re: #409 bd(it’s all true)

I like this guy:

[Embedded content]

Was this what sparked the fast food wars?

413
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:02:06am

re: #412 Sea Mexican

Was this what sparked the fast food wars?

Perhaps soon, we’ll all be stuck with Taco Bell.

414
Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:02:21am

re: #412 Sea Mexican

Was this what sparked the fast food wars?

Taco Bell 2020

415
bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:02:39am

re: #412 Sea Mexican

Was this what sparked the fast food wars?

It does appear to be a war:

416
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:04:51am

It takes a lot of balls to call your opponents Stalinists when you support Duterte and the nut in Brazil.

417
bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:05:00am

re: #412 Sea Mexican

Was this what sparked the fast food wars?

418
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:05:43am

re: #417 bd(it’s all true)

[Embedded content]

419
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:07:32am

It’s as if a jade egg was running.

420
bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:08:15am

re: #419 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s as if a jade egg was running.

I’d rather vote for Sgt. Schultz

421
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:08:31am

re: #419 jaunte

[Embedded content]

It’s as if a jade egg was running.

I’m waiting for Courtney Love’s discussion with Gary Johnson.//

422
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:09:20am

The news here is that there’s a GOOP podcast.

423
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:09:21am

re: #419 jaunte

I want someone to ask him “How would you feel if you pulled off enough votes that Trump got reelected?”

424
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:09:32am

re: #418 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

A long reddit thread was really, really, nice to Jimmy Carter and Habitat last night. A commenter pointed out he’s still eligible. Another reminded that Mondale is still alive. Gettin the old band back together.

425
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:10:33am

re: #405 HappyWarrior

Scary thought because his cartoons get dumber daily.

Peak wingnut Garrison is a lie.

426
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:11:37am
427
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:11:47am

re: #425 Sir John Barron

Peak wingnut Garrison is a lie.

Peak Garrison is a scary thought but I imagine it involves a muscular Trump and some racist carnictures.

428
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:12:22am

re: #422 jaunte

The news here is that there’s a GOOP podcast.

What does GOOP stand for? No, wait, I don’t want to know.

429
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:13:33am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Peak Garrison is a scary thought but I imagine it involves a muscular Trump and some racist carnictures.

Peak Garrison cannot be seen or visualized. It’s like time travel.

430
Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:13:38am

431
Unshaken Defiance  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:13:39am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

It takes a lot of balls to call your opponents Stalinists when you support Duterte and the nut in Brazil.

Amazing how they get away with it among their own. Pretend to believe anything for your guy/party

432
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:13:48am

Y’all aren’t nasty enough to conceptualize Peak Garrison, because Peak Garrison is basically a Donald Trump doujinshi.

(Or Tijuana bible, if you’re not a weeabo like me.)

433
Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:14:25am

re: #428 Sir John Barron

What does GOOP stand for? No, wait, I don’t want to know.

Ghastly Orifice Object Placement.

434
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:15:18am

re: #428 Sir John Barron

What does GOOP stand for? No, wait, I don’t want to know.

That line-up suggests it involves an espresso machine and a cleansing wand.

435
jaunte  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:15:19am

re: #433 Interesting Times

Don’t put a Howard Schultz in your elected office.

436
Sea Mexican  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:15:43am

re: #426 jaunte

[Embedded content]

This might be dangerous. I think it’s better a second report for the public.

437
PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:15:48am

re: #430 Kilroy was here

John Banner is dead. Here is his Wiki bio: en.wikipedia.org

438
Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:16:27am

re: #437 PhillyPretzel

John Banner is dead. Here is his Wiki bio: en.wikipedia.org

Still a better choice

439
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:17:05am

re: #437 PhillyPretzel

John Banner is dead. Here is his Wiki bio: en.wikipedia.org

Only made it to 63…too bad.

440
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:18:01am

Credit where it’s due:

Now I sort of want to buy some PopTarts.

441
danarchy  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:18:03am

re: #436 Sea Mexican

This might be dangerous. I think it’s better a second report for the public.

Yeah, on top of the criminal investigation, it is also a counter intelligence investigation and there may be a lot in the report we don’t want say the Russians to know we know.

442
Interesting Times  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:18:58am

Okay, this response wins the Dunkin’ Howard Schultz interwebz:

443
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:19:32am

Peak Trump will be him doing the dipshit husband “ARE YOU HAPPY NOW, THIS IS YOUR FAULT” speech except instead of a broken plate it will be a missile launch.

444
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:22:20am

re: #439 Sir John Barron

Only made it to 63…too bad.

Died on his birthday too. That sucks.

445
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:24:26am

re: #437 PhillyPretzel

John Banner is dead. Here is his Wiki bio: en.wikipedia.org

A refugee who ended up serving his adopted home.

446
PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:25:52am

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Yes. He did.

447
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:26:02am

I feel the only moral response to someone invoking “the silent majority” is to throw a bisected sheep carcass at them. And the law should reflect my conviction.

448
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:26:45am

re: #446 PhillyPretzel

Yes. He did.

More than Stephen Miller has; yet that asshole hates on refugees.

449
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:27:14am

re: #416 HappyWarrior

It takes a lot of balls to call your opponents Stalinists when you support Duterte and the nut in Brazil.

you throw out any label that is convenient

remember, the rest of the time, they love Russia

450
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:28:08am

re: #447 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

I feel the only moral response to someone invoking “the silent majority” is to thrown a bissected sheep carcass at them. And the law should reflect my conviction.

Admittedly, this would be hard to do.

I could be argued down to a can of surströmming.

451
Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:28:14am

re: #447 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

I feel the only moral response to someone invoking “the silent majority” is to thrown a bissected sheep carcass at them. And the law should reflect my conviction.

Sounds a bit messy.

452
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:28:37am

re: #449 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you throw out any label that is convenient

remember, the rest of the time, they love Russia

Yep they love the former KGB man.

453
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:29:40am

re: #451 Eclectic Cyborg

Sounds a bit messy.

My first idea was a fermented shark carcass.

454
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:30:38am

re: #450 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

Admittedly, this would be hard to do.

I could be argued down to a can of surströmming.

Only in times of war or national emergency, lest the fundamentalist sheep-splitters hold you anathema.

455
Alephnaught  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:31:25am
456
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:33:56am

Back to Dems 2020 primary;

there is going to be a ton of ratfucking and half the “supporters” you hear for a lot of candidates are going to be bots doing their best to keep the Dems divided or apathetic or unwilling to vote in the general for anyone but their ideal choice.

And anybody running independent will be seeing a lot of support from mysterious sources

The GOP is already lined up behind Trump so they are going to have nothing better to do than to try to exploit every weakness, real or perceived in the Democratic Party and the DNC.

457
Alephnaught  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:35:07am

re: #447 The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery

I feel the only moral response to someone invoking “the silent majority” is to thrown a bissected sheep carcass at them. And the law should reflect my conviction.

My response is: your “Silent Majority” is silent for a reason. Most of the time, that reason is: they don’t exist.

458
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:35:14am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Back to Dems 2020 primary;

there is going to be a ton of ratfucking and half the “supporters” you hear for a lot of candidates are going to be bots doing their best to keep the Dems divided or apathetic or unwilling to vote in the general for anyone but their ideal choice.

And anybody running independent will be seeing a lot of support from mysterious sources

The GOP is already lined up behind Trump so they are going to have nothing better to do than to try to exploit every weakness, real or perceived in the Democratic Party and the DNC.

I’m appointing Nancy Pelosi to be in charge of the Democratic party for the next 21 months.

459
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:38:32am

re: #438 Kilroy was here

Still a better choice

Smarter. Capable of forming more coherent sentences.

460
Dr. Matt  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:40:26am

U.S. Treasury Set to Borrow $1 Trillion for a Second Year to Finance the Deficit

The U.S. Treasury Department is set to maintain elevated sales of long-term debt to finance the government’s widening budget deficit, with new issuance projected to top $1 trillion for a second-straight year.

Many strategists at primary-dealer firms predict that this Wednesday’s quarterly refunding announcement will see the Treasury maintain note and bond sales at the record high levels they have boosted them to in recent months.

The total amount of 3-, 10- and 30-year securities to be offered at next week’s refunding auctions is seen by most at $84 billion. While that’s $1 billion more than the total for these maturities three months ago, that’s only because the size of the three-year sale was already nudged higher in December.

A heightened supply of Treasury securities follows tax cuts and government spending increases implemented under the current administration. That’s darkening a fiscal outlook already made worrisome by rising entitlement-program expenses and higher costs to service America’s nearly $16 trillion in debt. The Federal Reserve’s balance-sheet runoff is also adding to supply, forcing Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin to tap the public for more funding.

“We’ve seen deficits continue to blow out,” said Brian Edmonds, head of interest-rates trading at Cantor Fitzgerald in New York. “We are going to see more and more supply.”

Donnie = A FAILURE

461
FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:40:37am

I’m taking 45 days until he’s in trouble again

462
The Ghost of Kung Fu Treachery  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:41:19am

re: #457 Alephnaught

My response is: your “Silent Majority” is silent for a reason. Most of the time, that reason is: they don’t exist.

The silent majority means the gurning numpties.

463
HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:41:49am

re: #461 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m taking 45 days until he’s in trouble again

[Embedded content]

Wow

464
Dr. Matt  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:41:51am

re: #461 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I’m taking 45 days until he’s in trouble again

Utter White trash family.

465
Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:42:03am

re: #402 Sir John Barron

There are still 2 years left for DJT’s term. Plenty of time for more really bad Garrison cartoons.

LMAO every time I see Goofball Garrison draw Big Fat Trump as if he’s Mr. Olympia!

466
Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:42:35am

re: #459 Sir John Barron

Smarter. Capable of forming more coherent sentences.

And wants nothing to do with Russia..

467
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:46:49am

re: #458 Belafon

I’m appointing Nancy Pelosi to be in charge of the Democratic party for the next 21 months.

she needs to keep a tight rein on this primary, and make it clear that if anyone (hear that, Bernie?) wants to run for the Democratic nomination, they have to run as a Democrat and not an Egocrat

468
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:47:25am
469
Sir John Barron  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:50:23am

re: #468 Backwoods_Sleuth

Suitable punishment for hacking our elections.

Oh wait….

470
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:50:27am
471
Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:50:59am

re: #469 Sir John Barron

Suitable punishment for hacking our elections.

Oh wait….

this is right after Putin warned the US to butt out

472
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:51:37am

re: #438 Kilroy was here

Still a better choice

Not eligible even if he were alive — he was born in Austria.

473
BlueSpotinAL  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:51:55am

re: #427 HappyWarrior

Peak Garrison is a scary thought but I imagine it involves a muscular Trump and some racist carnictures.

I wonder how Garrison would draw Trump’s

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

474
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:53:25am

re: #456 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Back to Dems 2020 primary;

there is going to be a ton of ratfucking and half the “supporters” you hear for a lot of candidates are going to be bots doing their best to keep the Dems divided or apathetic or unwilling to vote in the general for anyone but their ideal choice.

And anybody running independent will be seeing a lot of support from mysterious sources

The GOP is already lined up behind Trump so they are going to have nothing better to do than to try to exploit every weakness, real or perceived in the Democratic Party and the DNC.

The Bernie Bros will do enough damage on their own.

475
Decatur Deb  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:54:12am

re: #471 Backwoods_Sleuth

this is right after Putin warned the US to butt out

And after deciding to leave a number of diplomats in place, relying on Maduro’s suspension of the expulsion order.

476
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:54:36am

re: #474 Hecuba’s daughter

The Bernie Bros will do enough damage on their own.

again, Nancy has to let him know that he has to campaign as a Democrat, a member of the party and the team and not against the party

477
Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:56:17am

re: #472 Hecuba’s daughter

Not eligible even if he were alive — he was born in Austria.

Oh great.. A Birther
/s

478
Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:57:27am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, Nancy has to let him know that he has to campaign as a Democrat, a member of the party and the team and not against the party

Why would someone who is a Putin tool be interested in helping Democrats win?

479
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:00:00pm

re: #478 Hecuba’s daughter

Why would someone who is a Putin tool be interested in helping Democrats win?

I do not see him as a Putin tool, but he is someone only using the DNC as a tool to further his own ends

480
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:00:52pm

re: #470 Backwoods_Sleuth

Something to think about: This couldn’t be issued during the shutdown.

481
Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:01:24pm

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again, Nancy has to let him know that he has to campaign as a Democrat, a member of the party and the team and not against the party

I was mainly joking, but the DNC has already made that clear.

482
Dave In Austin  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:01:54pm

So there’s a press conf today with HuckaBoo today?

483
ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:08:38pm

re: #465 Joe Bacon 🌹

LMAO every time I see Goofball Garrison draw Big Fat Trump as if he’s Mr. Olympia!

Ben says he does that because he has learned it pisses off liberals.

484
ObserverArt  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:12:41pm

re: #467 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

she needs to keep a tight rein on this primary, and make it clear that if anyone (hear that, Bernie?) wants to run for the Democratic nomination, they have to run as a Democrat and not an Egocrat

I keep putting up the damn information from the DNC about the new rules as to having to declare you are a Democrat, you run as a Democrat and you need to serve your term as a Democrat.

Do you not believe them?

485
The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 12:39:26pm

re: #416 HappyWarrior

It takes a lot of balls to call your opponents Stalinists when you support Duterte and the nut in Brazil.

It takes a lot of unself-awareness to call your opponents Stalinists when your guy has his head so far up Putin’s ass he can taste the borscht.

486
Eventual Carrion  Jan 28, 2019 • 1:18:17pm

re: #404 Interesting Times

Bwahaha:

[Embedded content]

Only if it’s the strawberry filling, no icing.


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Fresh Air (Remastered) Quicksilver Messenger Service Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group Fresh Air (Remastered) · Quicksilver Messenger Service Classic Masters ℗ 2001 Capitol Records, LLC Released on: 2007-01-01 Producer: Quicksilver Messenger ServiceStudio Personnel, Mastering Engineer: Robert VosgienComposer: Jesse Oris Farrow Auto-generated by YouTube. ...
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Jon Anderson - Song of SevenFrom the 1980 album "Song of Seven".
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#Thegreatpoolpondconversion - 191006 Today we have to take a few steps back in explanation. The pond is going to have three levels. Sort of an upside down ziggurat. The lowest level, in the center we call ‘the channel’. After the liner is ...
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Jon Anderson - Change We MustFrom the 1994 album "Change We Must".
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North Mississippi Allstars - ‘Drunk Outdoors’ [Audio Only]From the album 'Up and Rolling,' available October 4, 2019: geni.us
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Dr. Demento & John Cafiero - What’s in My Bag? Dr. Demento and John Cafiero go shopping at Amoeba Music in Los Angeles. Check out their picks:Cal Stewart - Uncle Josh's Letter from Home (78) Spike Jones - Ugga Ugga Boo Ugga Boo Boo Ugga (78) Johnny Otis Orchestra ...
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