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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:11:29pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:15:54pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Is that McConnell?

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:17:56pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Putin = Sauron and Trump/Republicans = Saruman fits well with the fundamental treachery of Trump and the Republicans.

Defects of this mapping are that Trump is too stupid to be a good Saruman, and the Republicans were never good.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:19:28pm

re: #2 Belafon

Is that McConnell?

That could work. McConnell as the master of GOP Isengard.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:19:59pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:23:53pm

I’d rather not associate LOTR with the current administration in ANY way.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:25:08pm

I am loath to post tweets by these #NeverTrump Republicans. With that said, I’m just going to put this here.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:26:05pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I am loath to post tweets by these #NeverTrump Republicans. With that said, I’m just going to put this here.

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It’s a really stupid thing even for Tomi to say.

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Archangelus  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:27:20pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

Putin = Sauron and Trump/Republicans = Saruman fits well with the fundamental treachery of Trump and the Republicans.

Defects of this mapping are that Trump is too stupid to be a good Saruman, and the Republicans were never good.

Putin = Morgoth (Sauron’s superior and bigger Middle Earth evil)
GOP=Sauron
McConnell = Saruman
Trump = Gollum/Wormtongue hybrid

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:11pm

Someday Tomi will say the wrong thing to the wrong person and pay dearly for it.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:29:48pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I am loath to post tweets by these #NeverTrump Republicans. With that said, I’m just going to put this here.

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The replies in the Tomi tweet are awesome.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:33:34pm

re: #9 Archangelus

Putin = Morgoth (Sauron’s superior and bigger Middle Earth evil)
GOP=Sauron
McConnell = Saruman
Trump = Gollum/Wormtongue hybrid

Hillary Clinton: Boromir
Nancy Pelosi: Gandalf
Barack Obama: Aragorn
AOC: Frodo
Chuck Shumer: Bilbo
Kamala Harris: Eowyn

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:38:59pm

re: #5 lawhawk

I’ve never been to Rocky Mountain National Park in the winter. All told, any winter exploration in RMNP is a *serious undertaking*, parties traveling in RMNP in winter need to be well-equipped and prepared for anything from sudden changes in weather and of course avalanches. Only elite mountaineers summit the highest mountain in the park - Longs Peak, elevation 14,259 ft. - in winter. You have to carry your balls around in a wheelbarrow to even ski there.

Instagram

@esanguez on the west ridge of Mount Cirrus.
Photo @mouttet
#skirmnp #wildernessinherited

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:40:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:40:55pm

re: #5 lawhawk

That is beautiful.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:42:29pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I am loath to post tweets by these #NeverTrump Republicans. With that said, I’m just going to put this here.

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My favorites:
Hm. I heard you slept your way to the top as well..

Did someone move the top?

How do you explain YOUR success?

She isn’t successful

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:43:05pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:45:36pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

Maybe one day we’ll all come together to provide roads to get to our destinations, police to enforce the law, firefighters to respond to emergencies, schools to teach our children, and a way take care of the health of the elderly.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:46:09pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

These guys skied RMNP during the shutdown. This was posted to Instagram three weeks ago.

Instagram

I certainly want our public lands to resume operation as normal….but…there are silver linings for those willing to work hard. Pretty mind blowing to have all of RMNP to ourselves. #zerocarbonadventures

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:49:28pm

Yeah you tell ‘em John ////

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Renaissance_Man  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:50:04pm

re: #6 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’d rather not associate LOTR with the current administration in ANY way.

I would agree. My greatest wish is to return to a world where Donald Trump is not an important figure, because there is nobody less deserving of even a moment of wasted thought. His has been, as some pundit said, a worthless disgrace of a life.

That said, it took this to get me to post again after 8 months or so, so here we are. I would argue that Donald Trump is in fact the perfect analogy for Gollum here. Gollum is many things - a villain, a pitiable figure, and an agent of change. He is at heart a simple creature, of small consequence and small mind. However, his selfishness leads him to a dark path, where he becomes corrupted by the trappings of evil and an unwitting slave of the forces of darkness. He pities himself constantly, unable to see that he is persecuted as a result of his own actions, but most of all unable to see that he has lost any sense of morality he once had, all as a result of his own howling need.

This is exactly Donald Trump. He is at heart a simple and slow-witted man, but he has a burning need for his own Precious - in his case, a need for praise and self-validation. He pities himself constantly, but is unable to see that his own lack of virtue is what drives others to revile him, and he has lost any sense of morality and decency he might once have had in the pursuit of the one thing that brings him joy. There is nothing in his head other than the need for praise and a vague sense of pleasure when he hurts someone. He is not a master con man, really - his influence with marks says more about their projection of their desires onto him than any ability on his part. In him, they see what they want to be - a stupid man, but rich, and unfettered by any moral or societal constraints, such that he can be as boorish and ugly as he pleases. If he were anything other than a white man born into wealth, his lack of knowledge and ability would have been terminal. As it is, he continues to fail upwards, because that is what happens to rich white men in America.

Just as Gollum’s selfishness and weakness made him a corrupted pawn of evil forces beyond his understanding, this too has happened to Donald Trump. Like a lot of white men, he watched a lot of FOX, and his mind and soul have become entirely replaced by the hatred and ugliness he consumed. It has, in turn, consumed him. He is nothing more than the vessel of this malice, and his selfishness has in turn made him their perfect avatar for now. I don’t pity him - he is a miserable and worthless creature, crippled by his own self-loathing and narcissism, and now completely unable to exist without the evil he consumes.

But I do want the world back where Donald Trump is not a thing.

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William Lewis  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:53:42pm

re: #12 The Vicious Babushka

Hillary Clinton: Boromir
Nancy Pelosi: Gandalf
Barack Obama: Aragorn
AOC: Frodo
Chuck Shumer: Bilbo
Kamala Harris: Eowyn

Hmm. Good but I see AOC as Samwise. Frodo remains unknown.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:56:06pm

And Corporal Bone Spurs lashes out:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:57:13pm

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

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Such a piece of shit.

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bd(that picture is a liar!)  Jan 28, 2019 • 6:59:30pm

Checks Out….

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Mattand  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:00:33pm

re: #23 The Vicious Babushka

Da Nang? Is he mocking Blumenthal for serving in Vietnam? What the fuck am I missing here?

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:03:30pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I missed my shot at getting out to RMNP last year. Don’t know when I’ll get another chance. I would have been out there at peak fall color. But it wasn’t meant to be.

I haven’t gotten on skis in more than 20 years (shiiit, I’m getting old).

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danarchy  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:04:10pm

re: #26 Mattand

Da Nang? Is he mocking Blumenthal for serving in Vietnam? What the fuck am I missing here?

Blumenthal had a bit of a stolen valor scandal years ago. He claimed to have served in vietnam but served in the marine reserves and never actually left the States.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:04:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:04:57pm

re: #26 Mattand

Da Nang? Is he mocking Blumenthal for serving in Vietnam? What the fuck am I missing here?

Blumenthal served during the Vietnam War. He never was overseas. Some people thought he claimed to been in Vietnam. As far as I see, he never claimed to be abroad and given Trump’s own history during that era, he should stfu. I have an uncle around both men’s age who was in the Army. He wasn’t in Vietnam but he is a vet as is Blumenthal.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:05:43pm

re: #28 danarchy

Blumenthal had a bit of a stolen valor scandal years ago. He claimed to have served in vietnam but served in the marine reserves and never actually left the States.

I’ve read that he never specifically claimed to be in country. Either way, Trump should shut his fucking mouth.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:06:37pm

re: #26 Mattand

From Blumenthal’s wikipedia page:

Blumenthal received five draft deferments during the Vietnam War,[13] obtaining first educational deferments, and then deferments based on his occupation.[14] With part-time service in the reserves or National Guard generally regarded as an alternative for those wishing to avoid serving in Vietnam,[15] in April 1970, Blumenthal enlisted in the United States Marine Corps Reserve,[16] and he served in units in Washington, D.C., and Connecticut from 1970 to 1976,[17][18] attaining the rank of sergeant.[19] During his 2010 Senate campaign, news reports that Blumenthal had claimed or implied that he’d served “in Vietnam” during the war created a controversy.[20][21] Blumenthal denied having intentionally misled voters into believing he fought in Vietnam, but acknowledged having occasionally “misspoken” about his service record,[22] and later apologized for remarks about his military service he said had not been “clear or precise”.[23]

President “Venereal disease are my own personal Vietnam” likes to bring this up any time Blumenthal criticizes him.

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:06:40pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I’ve read that he never specifically claimed to be in country. Either way, Trump should shut his fucking mouth.

Trump shutting his fucking mouth is a universal solution for all kinds of problems.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:07:22pm

It’s also irrelevant to what’s being discussed too. Just Trump being his usual self showing he’s not entitled to respect.

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lawhawk  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:09:02pm

Getting ratioed on day 1. Yeah, that’s not a good look. Being a self-important billionaire old white guy who thinks he’s the savior? Yeah, no. No one buys that crap.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:11:22pm

re: #25 bd(it’s all true)

We’re back to red = commie sympathizer again, I see.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:11:28pm

re: #35 lawhawk

Schultz: Let’s focus on things that can make us better.
Crowd: Getting Trump out of office and making the GOP a minority party.
Schultz: I have some ideas on acc—
Crowd: That means you don’t run.
Schultz: I don’t see how that’s a solution.

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Kilroy was here  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:11:50pm

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:12:45pm

re: #16 retired cynic

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EPR-radar  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:15:21pm

re: #37 Belafon

Schultz: Let’s focus on things that can make us better.
Crowd: Getting Trump out of office and making the GOP a minority party.
Schultz: I have some ideas on acc—
Crowd: That means you don’t run.
Schultz: I don’t see how that’s a solution.

Schultz is starting from a very stupid both-siderist position, and I’m pleased to see that this is getting the respect that it deserves (i.e., none).

Nothing good can come out of Democrats cooperating with Republicans.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:16:07pm
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mmmirele  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:16:54pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Schultz is starting from a very stupid both-siderist position, and I’m pleased to see that this is getting the respect that it deserves (i.e., none).

Nothing good can come out of Democrats cooperating with Republicans.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of ignorant people out there who think this is wonderful. I work with some of these people, and I see their FBs. They are all woozy over this guy. I’m just hoping the ratioing into oblivion will force Schultz into realizing he’s not going anywhere.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:19:11pm

re: #35 lawhawk

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Getting ratioed on day 1. Yeah, that’s not a good look. Being a self-important billionaire old white guy who thinks he’s the savior? Yeah, no. No one buys that crap.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:19:42pm

Lre: #41 Charles Johnson

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We elected a fucking child.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:21:02pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

L

We elected a fucking child.

That’s an insult to children.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:21:33pm

re: #45 retired cynic

That’s an insult to children.

Indeed.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:24:51pm

re: #43 Joe Bacon 🌹

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:26:03pm

re: #47 Belafon

Should be make better by running?

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:27:38pm

If only Jerry Garcia had lived to see something like nugs.net

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:30:24pm

Words fail me…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:30:37pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

We’re back to red = commie sympathizer again, I see.

Who was it a few weeks ago who actually used the word “ComSymp”, like Col. Flagg?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:35:54pm
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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:47:52pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

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Add Global Waming to the long list of extreme spelling achievements by this dope, right up there with Counitiry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:48:24pm

re: #53 Myron Falwell

Add Global Waming to the long list of extreme spelling achievements by this dope, right up there with Counitiry.

Covfefe and hamberders.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:52:09pm

re: #54 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which I always laugh about seeing the meme because covfefe was not, in actual fact, a misspelling of coffee… We all just treat it that way because it’s funny.

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retired cynic  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:55:47pm

re: #55 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Which I always laugh about seeing the meme because covfefe was not, in actual fact, a misspelling of coffee… We all just treat it that way because it’s funny.

In actual fact? How do you know? Maybe it is!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:57:37pm

re: #52 The Vicious Babushka

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Australia is a hotbed (pun intended) of global warming denialism too, because it will be the first continent to be rendered uninhabitable and they know it.

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ThomasLite  Jan 28, 2019 • 7:57:46pm

re: #56 retired cynic

In actual fact? How do you know? Maybe it is!

Because even the tiny fragment of coherence Trump’s tweets tend to display leaves no doubt it’s the world’s most grievous misspelling of coverage. Sorry ;)

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Myron Falwell  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:04:12pm

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Australia is a hotbed (pun intended) of global warming denialism too, because it will be the first continent to be rendered uninhabitable and they know it.

The anti-science movement has to be thrilled at Trump’s illiteracy making them look like a total joke out in the open ////

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:06:06pm

re: #48 retired cynic

Should be make better by running?

Sorry. Reload. I realized after and replaced it.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:08:33pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:13:51pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:18:14pm

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

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Somebody remind Sally that ol Stenographer Brokaw did utter a bunch or racist bullshit and his fellow Presstitutes gave him the usual pass.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:24:26pm

I have to ask…when will Milo sing this on the 700 Club?

YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED…

Milo Yiannopoulos - Silver & Gold

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Skip Intro  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:24:27pm

I don’t expect that this will go well.

“The White House announced on Monday the U.S. delegation that will receive Chinese representatives for trade negotiations on Wednesday and Thursday.
U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer will lead the discussions, President Donald Trump’s administration said, with four other officials rounding out the U.S. delegation: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow and trade advisor Peter Navarro”

CNBC

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Ace Rothstein  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:27:43pm

re: #64 Joe Bacon 🌹

Dude, my fucking eyes.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:28:44pm

re: #65 Skip Intro

I don’t expect that this will go well.

“The White House announced on Monday the U.S. delegation that will receive Chinese representatives for trade negotiations on Wednesday and Thursday.
U.S. Trade Representative Robert Lighthizer will lead the discussions, President Donald Trump’s administration said, with four other officials rounding out the U.S. delegation: Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross, National Economic Council Director Larry Kudlow and trade advisor Peter Navarro”

CNBC

Kudlow, jeezus! Did Reagan empty out all the nuthouses into a wormhole straight to the tRump administration?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:32:43pm

re: #57 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Australia is a hotbed (pun intended) of global warming denialism too, because it will be the first continent to be rendered uninhabitable and they know it.

Most of it is uninhabitable now, unless you’re Aboriginal or a croc. If Australia were a planet, all the humans would be living at the poles and the equator would be a scorching hot wasteland.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:35:43pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:37:55pm

re: #69 MsJ

Watching her go off on the right-wingers is filling me with glee. Ann Coulter, if you keep going like that, I might temporarily like you.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:38:04pm

re: #69 MsJ

Looks like all the mean kids are turning on each other.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:39:53pm
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:42:42pm

re: #70 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Watching her go off on the right-wingers is filling me with glee. Ann Coulter, if you keep going like that, I might temporarily like you.

I advise you to lie down quietly in a dark place until you recover.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:44:09pm
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Ace-o-aces  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:44:33pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:48:47pm

re: #72 goddamnedfrank

Now I have to read his book. He finally drew attention to the elephant in the room. What do the rich hate more than anything else? Taxes.

Philanthropy is in many jurisdictions a way to reduce taxes. While some philanthropists may have sincere reasons for funding their chosen projects, I would wager most would not even bother giving away money to charities and foundations if there were no tax incentives present. And even generous philanthropists like Bill Gates or George Soros still keep enough money to live like kings, so the wealth inequality persists.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:49:13pm

re: #70 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Watching her go off on the right-wingers is filling me with glee. Ann Coulter, if you keep going like that, I might temporarily like you.

Not buying Ann at all. Remember when Glenn Beck, Brent Bozell, Ben Shapiro and the so-called “Reagan Battalion” were Never Trumpers? Not only are they’re on the Trump Train, they’re the conductors.

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:49:14pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:54:24pm

Venezuela has become a use-case for cryptocurrencies. The bolivar is so worthless now that vendors are accepting payment in Dash, Nano and other cryptocurrencies. Venezuelans with connections outside the country receive the digital currencies, and spend them at supermarkets. People are also surreptitiously mining bitcoin and other cryptos to make ends meet. Even 0.0001 bitcoin is enough to buy groceries for several days.

Maduro’s Petro cryptocurrency is a scam, and no one takes it seriously.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:55:14pm

The ridiculous but logical conclusion to the fidget spinner fad.

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:58:08pm

re: #71 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Looks like all the mean kids are turning on each other.

Couldn’t happen to a shittier crowd. I hope they rip each other to shreds. Literally and twitterly.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 28, 2019 • 8:59:47pm

re: #81 MsJ

Couldn’t happen to a shittier crowd. I hope they rip each other to shreds. Literally and twitterly.

Its hilarious seeing Trumpers turn on Coulter and vice versa. It won’t last but I hope some egos get bruised.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:04:46pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

The ridiculous but logical conclusion to the fidget spinner fad.

There’s another one listed at $2.4 million. Plus $4.06 shipping.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:04:55pm
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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:05:44pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

Its hilarious seeing Trumpers turn on Coulter and vice versa. It won’t last but I hope some egos get bruised.

As long as we don’t take it seriously and count on it meaning anything, we can definitely root for injuries.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:06:06pm

re: #83 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There’s another one listed at $2.4 million. Plus $4.06 shipping.

You only have to sell one.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:09:00pm

re: #83 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

There’s another one listed at $2.4 million. Plus $4.06 shipping.

I sometimes wonder how much money laundering gets done over eBay by people just buying shit at patently ridiculous prices.

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Belafon  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:10:52pm

In case you missed it, Black Panther won best picture at the SAG awards

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MsJ  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:10:56pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

The ridiculous but logical conclusion to the fidget spinner fad.

You think that’s bad? Check this one out.

ebay.com

😂😂😂😂😂😂

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:14:55pm

re: #89 MsJ

You think that’s bad? Check this one out.

ebay.com

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Yup, that’s the one.

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teleskiguy  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:18:55pm

re: #80 goddamnedfrank

Your internet shopping habits intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

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makeitstop  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:19:08pm

Home from Colbert. What an incredibly entertaining day. Colbert was straight fire tonight, and Paul Simon’s musical segment was exceptional.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:21:23pm

re: #89 MsJ

You think that’s bad? Check this one out.

ebay.com

😂😂😂😂😂😂

I saw that one earlier but didn’t post it because it’s an obvious joke, whereas the Steel Flame spinner is just trying so goddamned hard to be badass. Like, some actual adult saw that shit and genuinely thought it was cool enough to buy new, which honestly I kind of respect because as I established earlier today I’ve bought some ridiculous ass bling and actually wear that shit out because fuck it life is short.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:24:25pm

re: #87 goddamnedfrank

I sometimes wonder how much money laundering gets done over eBay by people just buying shit at patently ridiculous prices.

No estimates of how much money is laundered, but this article explains how it can be done and how PayPal watches for suspicious activities.

thebalancesmb.com

One way that unscrupulous people who are trying to transact with dirty money is to set up fake listings on eBay. It looks like a real transaction, but the price is usually astronomically inflated for the type of item, and the sales price does not make sense. Here is how it works:

Let’s say Jim has a customer who wants to buy something illegal, such as drugs, stolen property, or weapons. Rather than create a transaction with cash, Jim tells his customer he will set up a listing on eBay for a particular item at a very inflated price. He will then send a link to the item to the client. This is called a “prearranged sale.”

No one will actually buy the grossly overpriced item, and Jim’s client will purchase it, sending the money through Paypal. Also, eBay gets its fees and Paypal gets its fee of 3 percent. Jim ships a box of rocks or some insignificant item to the client’s address and no one is the wiser.

Once the transaction has taken place on eBay, and the money is in Jim’s account, he meets up with his client to deliver the actual goods which again may be drugs, weapons, or some sort of contraband. The transaction takes place, the money has changed hands, the illegal goods are delivered, and all of this is done under the radar.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:27:15pm

re: #27 lawhawk

I missed my shot at getting out to RMNP last year. Don’t know when I’ll get another chance. I would have been out there at peak fall color. But it wasn’t meant to be.

I haven’t gotten on skis in more than 20 years (shiiit, I’m getting old).

I’ve only been on cross country skis. Downhill skiing? Big nope. I think I’ve always been old.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:28:55pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Trump shutting his fucking mouth is a universal solution for all kinds of problems.

It wouldn’t take too many people to hold him down and someone else to stitch his mouth shut. I can sew and would be willing to offer my sewing services.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:29:54pm

re: #36 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

We’re back to red = commie sympathizer again, I see.

Well, that’s the color of the GOP.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:32:47pm

re: #97 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Well, that’s the color of the GOP.

No one seems to see the irony there. Conservatives used to say “Better dead than Red.” Now, it’s the liberals and the connotation of red has changed.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:32:50pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

L

We elected a fucking child.

I was telling my 11-year-old that about the severe cold snap that is forecast. She asked me how it could be so incredibly cold with global warming, so I explained to her the difference between global warming and climate, and how global warming affects the climate. She got it.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:33:58pm

New picture of Ultima Thule on APOD tonight:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:35:04pm

re: #99 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

I was telling my 11-year-old that about the severe cold snap that is forecast. She asked me how it could be so incredibly cold with global warming, so I explained to her the difference between global warming and climate, and how global warming affects the climate. She got it.

She’s smarter than Trump’s entire Cabinet combined. Steer her toward STEM careers.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:36:32pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

WOW! Such detail!

Looks like two rocks glued together with Elmer’s. JPL really needs to work on their image fabrication. ////

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:44:29pm

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

No one seems to see the irony there. Conservatives used to say “Better Red than dead.” Now, it’s the liberals and the connotation of red has changed.

You mean “Better dead than Red” was the conservative slogan. And now they wear a shirt: I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat

snopes.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:48:56pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

New picture of Ultima Thule on APOD tonight:

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That looks like comet closeups with the two fused bodies.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:49:12pm

re: #103 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean “Better dead than Red” was the conservative slogan. And now they wear a shirt: I’d rather be Russian than a Democrat

snopes.com

Yeah, you’re right. That’s what I get for multitasking. I fixed my comment.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:58:08pm

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

That looks like comet closeups with the two fused bodies.

What’s weird about it is the two component bodies are basically round-ish but somehow after collision they didn’t have enough combined mass for hydrostatic equilibrium to take over. Meaning the cores of the two bodies probably formed independently when mostly molten. Also, I’m guessing the huge dent in the smaller body was the initial impact point when the two collided.

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KGxvi  Jan 28, 2019 • 9:58:50pm

re: #33 EPR-radar

Trump shutting his fucking mouth is a universal solution for all kinds of problems.

Trump shutting up actually does more bad than good. His approval numbers tick up when he shuts his pie hole. Then they can do terrible shit in the dark.

Although, if the poll numbers saying almost 60% of voters won’t vote for him in 2020, loud or quiet, he’s going to be confined to the dustbin of history

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:25:25pm
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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:26:37pm

re: #107 KGxvi

Trump shutting up actually does more bad than good. His approval numbers tick up when he shuts his pie hole.

There’s a lot going on there, but the phenomenon can be explained by reversion-to-mean and the still mostly decent macroeconomic data. I think his greatest obstacles heading into 2020 are that we’re rather inexorably sliding into a recession, which the shutdown only accelerated, and that the GOP lost its monopoly on obstructing investigations & oversight. Point being it that going forward it should be a lot easier for Democrats to goad him into making unforced errors and go on batshit insane, unhinged rants.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:32:37pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

There’s a lot going on there, but the phenomenon can be explained by reversion-to-mean and the still mostly decent macroeconomic data. I think his greatest obstacles heading into 2020 are that we’re rather inexorably sliding into a recession, which the shutdown only accelerated, and that the GOP lost its monopoly on obstructing investigations & oversight. Point being it that going forward it should be a lot easier for Democrats to goad him into making unforced errors and go on batshit insane, unhinged rants.

Also, I turn on the news these days, and I hear… Democrats. I guess they’re relevant again.

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:47:01pm
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Targetpractice  Jan 28, 2019 • 10:47:48pm

re: #109 goddamnedfrank

There’s a lot going on there, but the phenomenon can be explained by reversion-to-mean and the still mostly decent macroeconomic data. I think his greatest obstacles heading into 2020 are that we’re rather inexorably sliding into a recession, which the shutdown only accelerated, and that the GOP lost its monopoly on obstructing investigations & oversight. Point being it that going forward it should be a lot easier for Democrats to goad him into making unforced errors and go on batshit insane, unhinged rants.

There is this overriding desire amongst American voters to just assume that if the world isn’t on fire, the utilities are still working, and they’re still getting paid…then things are working as intended and the guy in the White House (at worst) is doing nothing useful.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:01:49pm

LOLWUT?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:19:33pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

They are delusional. I suspect they are polling only Trump supporters, because the general electorate is pissed at Trump for the shutdown.

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ckkatz  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:23:08pm

re: #114 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

They are delusional. I suspect they are polling only Trump supporters, because the general electorate is pissed at Trump for the shutdown.

Clearly they are over their heads in that famous frikin’ river.

They are deep in denial. Which is a frican river. :)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:35:26pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

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I watched the documentary Get Me Roger Stone on Netflix tonight. I sure hope Roger gets to share a prison cell with his old partner Manafort and his good friend Trump.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:42:48pm

re: #115 ckkatz

Clearly they are over their heads in that famous frikin’ river.

They are deep in denial. Which is a frican river. :)

ICYMI

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:43:38pm

re: #70 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Watching her go off on the right-wingers is filling me with glee. Ann Coulter, if you keep going like that, I might temporarily like you.

Just keep in mind that she is going off on them because they aren’t fascist enough for her.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:47:20pm

China is stealing the sun’s energy!! Call out the Space Force!
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 28, 2019 • 11:50:07pm

re: #100 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

New picture of Ultima Thule on APOD tonight:

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I read that Ultima Thule is also the name of the Aryan’s mythological homeland. We should send all the Nazis there.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:01:33am

re: #120 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

China is stealing the sun’s energy!! Call out the Space Force!
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Nice, but solar concentrators and molten salt thermal storage have probably been permanently exceeded in efficiency by recent advances in photovoltaic technology and battery tech, so I doubt we’ll be seeing many more projects like that.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:01:55am

re: #121 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I read that Ultima Thule is also the name of the Aryan’s mythological homeland. We should send all the Nazis there.

When Pytheas of Massalia made his voyage in about 325 B.C. out through the Pillars of Herakles and on to the northern parts of Scotland, he was told of a farther land called “Thule”. We don’t really know if he traveled there himself or not (his work is only known through quotations in other writers), what language the name is in (or really how it was pronounced—the Greeks were terrible at foreign languages), or where it was. Some say Iceland, some say southern Norway, a few think it was Greenland, but that’s pretty far fetched. Since it was the farthest land (semi)-known in Antiquity, later Latin writers prefaced it with “Ultima”. The Thule Society and their concern with an “Aryan” homeland (They obviously didn’t mean that—they only meant a Germanic homeland.) is very much a 20th Century fantasy.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:16:31am

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Nice, but solar concentrators and molten salt thermal storage have probably been permanently exceeded in efficiency by recent advances in photovoltaic technology and battery tech, so I doubt we’ll be seeing many more projects like that.

One other important factor: If a problem ever does develop in the guts of a solar concentrator / molten salt system it is basically guaranteed to take several months to fix. In other words like nuclear reactors they do NOT have an elegant failure mode, if shit goes bad the entire plant is going offline for a long while.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:22:08am

re: #124 goddamnedfrank

This is probably one of China’s show-off projects, and not really intended for widespread implementation. I’ve seen standard PV solar farms elsewhere. China is planning on building several new nuclear plants in the Pearl River Delta area, if you want to contemplate doomsday scenarios.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:25:38am

re: #125 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is probably one of China’s show-off projects, and not really intended for widespread implementation. I’ve seen standard PV solar farms elsewhere. China is planning on building several new nuclear plants in the Pearl River Delta area, if you want to contemplate doomsday scenarios.

A bunch of concentrator / molten salt systems got greenlighted over a decade ago (there are at least a couple here in California & Nevada) and because shit being built this large scale has such enormous lead times they’re just coming online now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:27:56am

re: #18 Belafon

Maybe one day we’ll all come together to provide private toll roads to get to our destinations, private police to selectively enforce the law, paid firefighters to respond to individual emergencies, charter schools to teach our children, and a way take away health care from the elderly.

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:32:22am

re: #126 goddamnedfrank

A bunch of concentrator / molten salt systems got greenlighted over a decade ago (there are at least a couple here in California & Nevada) and because shit being built this large scale has such enormous lead times they’re just coming online now.

P.S. Where China really has an advantage over the US in terms of solar energy storage is in domestic lithium production.

Also, they don’t have a head of government who is batshit insane and dumb as a post. I mean sure, Xi is evil (by Western democratic standards at least) but compared to Trump he’s neither crazy nor stupid.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:39:00am

The face of evil.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 12:57:21am

re: #128 goddamnedfrank

Xi has an engineering background. China likes technocrats in government.

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freetoken  Jan 29, 2019 • 1:55:06am

Violin babe Esther Abrami:

As you will be able to tell from my 10 Years Challenge violin video, I was not the kind of kid who performed Mendelssohn Concerto with orchestra when they were 12. I was never a child prodigy, far from it.

I did not start playing the violin until I was 10 and I did not get a high level music education until I was much older.
When I finally got it, the amount of things I had to catch up to in order to be on the same level as others was absolutely huge.

When I looked at this video from 10 years ago again I honestly thought: “how on earth did I possibly think I could become a professional violinist?” (My posture is dreadful, its out of tune, I am missing shifts, I don’t know how to vibrate properly.. and the list goes on).

But the truth is, no matter what my level is, my love for the violin and for music was always very strong.

From the start I have always wanted to be a violinist and despite all the difficult moments, the ton of rejections, I kept going. When I failed, I tried to understand why, corrected what I thought I might have done wrong and I tried again, and again and again.

Today 10 years later, I am graduating from one of the best music institution in the world, I have been offered a full scholarship to do a master degree, I am giving concerts worldwide, I get loaned some of the most beautiful violins to perform on, I am the first ever classical musician to have been nominated for the Global Awards in the category « Social Media Super star » and I have over 200,000 wonderful people following my musical journey every day on my social media accounts!

Of course I still have an extremely long way to go with my playing still and with my goals in life in general but sometimes it is good to look back at your life and realise how much you have already achieved.

10 Years Violin Challenge

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freetoken  Jan 29, 2019 • 2:10:14am

A youtube channel worth checking out, Digital Hammurabi looks at ancient documents and religious beliefs:

Old Testament Slavery - What was it REALLY like?

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Alephnaught  Jan 29, 2019 • 2:10:37am

Hmmm… Chris Christie’s book seems to be rather heavy on the score-settling…

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 29, 2019 • 2:17:24am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 29, 2019 • 2:23:00am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 2:43:37am

re: #133 Alephnaught

Hmmm… Chris Christie’s book seems to be rather heavy on the score-settling…

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…and Leon’s getting laaaaaaaarger!

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Ace-o-aces  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:01:34am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:02:06am

re: #135 Single-handed sailor

Kremlin denies sending 400 military contractors to Venezuela to protect Maduro. “These types of reports are absolutely from the department of conspiracy,” says Putin spokesman.

They just sent 400 heavily armed tourists who know martial arts and are skilled in counter-insurgency measures…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:25:58am

re: #129 DodgerFan1988

Ex-Trump aide: Stephen Miller said he’d be happy if no refugee ever again set foot in US

Yunno, it would be one thing to say that he would be happy if no immigrant came to the US. That is a matter of policy.

But to want to turn away all refugees is absolutely inhumane..

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Single-handed sailor  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:39:58am
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Single-handed sailor  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:44:45am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:49:12am

The Beijing censors have decided that dramas depicting imperial palace intrigue are unsuitable for a harmonious society, and have forced TV networks to stop broadcasting them.

beta.scmp.com

Some of China’s most popular historical dramas have been taken down from television channels after state media launched an unusual attack on the genre for its extravagance and “negative influence on society”.

The extravagant series Ruyi’s Royal Love in the Palace about a girl strategically climbing above her rank to become empress of the Qing dynasty (1644-1911) was scheduled for Monday afternoon on Dragon TV, but was replaced by a reality show, Joyful Comedians.

Some online commentators also claimed Shandong TV had replaced its regular evening showing of the hit series Story of Yanxi Palace with Ode to Joy, a contemporary drama series about five women seeking love and career success in Shanghai.

The change in programming schedules followed an article in Friday’s edition of the Beijing Daily magazine Theory Weekly which called out the “sins” of imperial dramas, claiming they encouraged viewers to pursue the glamorous lifestyles of China’s past monarchs and promoted pleasure and luxury above the “virtues of frugality and hard work”.

Ode to Joy, incidentally, has been compared to Sex and the City, except without the sex. en.wikipedia.org

There are several period dramas on Chinese TV set in imperial times. One, whose English title is Palace, has a modern-day woman who is somehow transported back to the Qing Dynasty where she is accepted as part of the nobility living in the Imperial Palace. It was actually well done, despite the premise. I watched a few episodes, but without English subtitles I was missed most of the dialogue. Now it seems the government wants to scrub the airwaves of such imperial decadence.

It’s too bad, as otherwise, Chinese broadcast TV is frightfully dull and repetitive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 3:59:31am

re: #142 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The Beijing censors have decided that dramas depicting imperial palace intrigue are unsuitable for a harmonious society, and have forced TV networks to stop broadcasting them.

My girlfriends likes to watch them, guys in hats with wings sticking out of them like drones…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:08:38am

re: #140 Single-handed sailor

He should be booted out of that role, but IOKIYAR, so of course resume enhancement.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:28:01am

re: #143 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My girlfriends likes to watch them, guys in hats with wings sticking out of them like drones…

It’s the Chinese equivalent of watching Victoria or The Crown.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:30:17am

re: #145 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s the Chinese equivalent of watching Victoria or The Crown.

Yes, I gathered.

I started watching The Crown and found parts of it entertaining but just could not develop any sympathy or sense of identification with the protagonists.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:42:55am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, I gathered.

I started watching The Crown and found parts of it entertaining but just could not develop any sympathy or sense of identification with the protagonists.

The Crown has to work around the fact that some of its protagonists are still alive and one is still the Queen. Victoria is not around to quibble with character portrayals or historical inconsistencies.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:45:34am

Miller believes that. Then he’s not worth taking seriously on any subject.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:50:51am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They just sent 400 heavily armed tourists who know martial arts and are skilled in counter-insurgency measures…

They really need the tropical sun after their vacation to Ukraine.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:51:23am

re: #147 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The Crown has to work around the fact that some of its protagonists are still alive and one is still the Queen. Victoria is not around to quibble with character portrayals or historical inconsistencies.

Yes, and the fact that I could never develop any sense of empathy for them.

Easier to look through a glass darkly at events that were not captured extensively on film.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:56:08am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, and the fact that I could never develop any sense of empathy for them.

Easier to look through a glass darkly at events that were not captured extensively on film.

True. The story of Elizabeth II and her family are too well documented, and quite frankly the only person in that family who was at all interesting was Margaret, either in real life or in the show. The rest of them are just too buttoned-down and so terribly British. Even Phillip’s extramarital dalliance barely ignited a candle.

Diana was another bright spark, but she comes much later.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:59:05am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

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What was the name for the group Hitler believed would save Germany?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:59:13am

re: #151 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

True. The story of Elizabeth II and her family are too well documented, and quite frankly the only person in that family who was at all interesting was Margaret, either in real life or in the show. The rest of them are just too buttoned-down and so terribly British. Even Phillip’s extramarital dalliance barely ignited a candle.

Diana was another bright spark, but she comes much later.

Whenever these people seem put upon by the “burdens” imposed by their rank and royalty, I have to remind myself out loud that they can always just quit and go get a day job…Britain will be happy as long as there is some slob out there to take up the title, and there are plenty of candidates, each as poncy and inbred as the next.

(This is my American side coming out)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 4:59:35am

I’ve been avoiding Twitter these last few hours. Has the Great Orange Menace tweeted any nonsense yet? I saw a report alleging Roger Stone was willing to cooperate with the Mueller investigation. That alone would make the G.O.M. more batty than usual.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:00:08am

re: #152 Belafon

What was the name for the group Hitler believed would save Germany?

Eighth US Army Air Force, for differing values of “save”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:00:40am

re: #154 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve been avoiding Twitter these last few hours. Has the Great Orange Menace tweeted any nonsense yet? I saw a report alleging Roger Stone was willing to cooperate with the Mueller investigation. That alone would make the G.O.M. more batty than usual.

The FBI threatened that if he did not talk, they would surgically remove his Nixon tattoo…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:01:10am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Whenever these people seem put upon by the “burdens” imposed by their rank and royalty, I have to remind myself out loud that they can always just quit and go get a day job…Britain will be happy as long as there is some slob out there to take up the title, and there are plenty of candidates, each as poncy and inbred as the next.

(This is my American side coming out)

They’re just another version of Twitter’s @jack, musing about how interesting and enlightening it is to go without food for a whole day.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:01:21am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

With a spoon.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:02:16am

re: #158 Decatur Deb

With a spoon.

Preferably a coke spoon, because Stone probably knows something about those.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:03:10am

re: #159 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Preferably a coke spoon, because Stone probably knows something about those.

suck it off his back with a McDonald’s straw

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:04:36am

re: #157 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

They’re just another version of Twitter’s @jack, musing about how interesting and enlightening it is to go without food for a whole day.

If I were a Brit, I would support privatising the Royal Family: British Royal plc. Let them earn their keep by endorsing products, opening shopping malls and greeting tourists at Balmoral.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:08:21am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If I were a Brit, I would support privatising the Royal Family: British Royal plc. Let them earn their keep by endorsing products, opening shopping malls and greeting tourists at Balmoral.

Might be a reasonable compromise between abolishing the monarchy and losing the tourist revenue. TBH the royals of today have never interested me. The Plantanglets, Tudors, & Stuarts I find more so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:13:39am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

Might be a reasonable compromise between abolishing the monarchy and losing the tourist revenue. TBH the royals of today have never interested me. The Plantanglets, Tudors, & Stuarts I find more so.

That is the point, they are an historical anachronism and have no place in the 21st century.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:18:01am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point, they are an historical anachronism and have no place in the 21st century.

Right. I don’t see it changing while Elizabeth is alive tho. She’s much admired there. Might change if one of her sons or grandsons took over.

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Sea Mexican  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:18:23am

re: #137 Ace-o-aces

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Wouldn’t that be a dot?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:18:39am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is the point, they are an historical anachronism and have no place in the 21st century.

Think of them as Kardashians for the over-60 set.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:24:15am

re: #166 Decatur Deb

Think of them as Kardashians for the over-60 set.

With Nazi sympathizers in the family.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:25:51am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

With Nazi sympathizers in the family.

We all have crazy uncles.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:27:35am

re: #154 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve been avoiding Twitter these last few hours. Has the Great Orange Menace tweeted any nonsense yet? I saw a report alleging Roger Stone was willing to cooperate with the Mueller investigation. That alone would make the G.O.M. more batty than usual.

As soon as Foax & Fiends has aired their usual love offering, I’m sure the Great Orange Menace* will have something enlightening to say.

*I happen to like this term, may use it more frequently

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:28:44am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

Ochre Peril.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:28:56am

re: #169 Sir John Barron

As soon as Foax & Fiends has aired their usual love offering, I’m sure the Great Orange Menace* will have something enlightening to say.

*I happen to like this term, may use it more frequently

It’s in the public domain now, but I lay claim to its invention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:29:13am

re: #170 Decatur Deb

Ochre Peril.

Peach Pitler

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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:38:07am

Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:50:23am

It’s pushing 8AM in CST. We are near today’s high temp, and the day is darkening. We will be south of the snow line, but wind and cold will require more dancing around with the grow tunnel cover. Better than Michigan at that.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:51:54am
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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 5:54:43am

This bullshit is just getting disgusting, but it also seems like the hate is absolutely and utterly universal. That 90 percent of the entire fucking world has rallied against these journos and treating them like traitors to humanity, thus deserving to be treated like subhuman garbage.

Which I assume is exactly the point: to make it feel like no one is on their side, even if it’s not true. But god help me I find myself depressed how much it feels like the bastards are winning.

EDIT: It especially pisses me off that the preferred ‘outer narrative’ is the retraining programs which apparently are such a massive insult to all Americans that we must rise up against the media reporting on these and prove how much we must hate them.

Because, you know, coal is for-fucking-ever. Right?

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:01:43am

re: #155 Decatur Deb

Eighth US Army Air Force, for differing values of “save”.

From what I understand, Hitler, in his final days, believed that some group of Germans would rise up and repel the armies attacking Germany. Trump’s poll thing reminds me of that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:08:50am

re: #176 Citizen K

Because, you know, coal is for-fucking-ever. Right?

Trump promised them a return to coal, and more than that, to a world where poorly educated white men could make $80K per year working hard down in the mines and afford a house and a boat and to send their kids to college.

All they had to do was get rid of pesky government health and safety regulations and those jobs would come roaring back without unions to fight for benefits, right?

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:12:58am

re: #175 Belafon

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“Have you tried turning it off and on again?”

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Patricia Kayden  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:14:27am

Me too.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:18:33am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’ll make a stupid coal comment. I’ve been delving into blacksmithing and I find it interesting that bituminous coal is extremely expensive and hard to come by in smaller amounts.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:18:44am

re: #99 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

I was telling my 11-year-old that about the severe cold snap that is forecast. She asked me how it could be so incredibly cold with global warming, so I explained to her the difference between global warming and climate, and how global warming affects the climate. She got it.

“They” get it too
It just doesn’t work for their narrative

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Targetpractice  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:19:36am

re: #180 Patricia Kayden

Me too.

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Same here. I’m glad that we’re heading into a field of presidential hopefuls where the odd ones out will be those who aren’t interested in Medicare-For-All or a similar system.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:19:55am

re: #177 Belafon

From what I understand, Hitler, in his final days, believed that some group of Germans would rise up and repel the armies attacking Germany. Trump’s poll thing reminds me of that.

He had the Werewolf program, an attempt to turn senior Hitler Youth types into an armed underground. It fizzled, but it was a concern for a year or two of the occupation.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:27:07am

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

LOLWUT?

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I mean, the dope tweeted last week that his support among Hispanics rose from 19% to 50%, granted, that was obviously a poll of five or six Trump supporters…

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:30:27am

re: #99 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

I was telling my 11-year-old that about the severe cold snap that is forecast. She asked me how it could be so incredibly cold with global warming, so I explained to her the difference between global warming and climate, and how global warming affects the climate. She got it.

It’s really not that hard to figure out. Most denialists ignore the weather patterns elsewhere when it doesn’t fit the narrative. That’s why they’ve always gone apeshit whenever the phrase “settled science” is said.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:32:13am

From one anonymous Democrat quoted by the Hill:

“What I have recommended to the New York delegation is that you find her a primary opponent and make her a one-term congressperson,” the Democratic lawmaker, who requested anonymity, told The Hill. “You’ve got numerous council people and state legislators who’ve been waiting 20 years for that seat. I’m sure they can find numerous people who want that seat in that district.”

I agree with this assessment from mistermix:

If AOC has a superpower, it is pissing off old school politicians who apparently are scared of popular ideas like restoring a 70% marginal tax rate. I’d love to see a person like the back bencher quoted in this article take a run at AOC - it would be almost as fun as watching a rich wanker like Howard Schultz smear poop all over himself by calling her ideas “un American”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:33:24am

re: #181 Dave In Austin

I’ll make a stupid coal comment. I’ve been delving into blacksmithing and I find it interesting that bituminous coal is extremely expensive and hard to come by in smaller amounts.

then just order en entire freight car load and you will be set for life

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:34:34am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

then just order en entire freight car load and you will be set for life

I’m sure the neighbors won’t mind.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:34:59am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump promised them a return to coal, and more than that, to a world where poorly educated white men could make $80K per year working hard down in the mines and afford a house and a boat and to send their kids to college.

All they had to do was get rid of pesky government health and safety regulations and those jobs would come roaring back without unions to fight for benefits, right?

Don’t make coal mining a “white” thing. A few hours in the mine, and it was hard to tell. Several W Virginia coal towns were black-majority.

The vast majority of African Americans who migrated to southern West Virginia found new lives in coal company towns. These mining camps were favored by black migrants because jobs were there. Camps also provided available and affordable housing. The 1900 U.S. census shows that a majority of residents in many of the coal camps were African American. Black miners living and working in mining camps like Nuttallburg, Hawks Nest, and Stonecliff made up over 55 percent of the population.

nps.gov

Found ourselves near Nuttallburg last Summer.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:38:19am

re: #187 Belafon

From one anonymous Democrat quoted by the Hill:

I agree with this assessment from mistermix:

Lol less than a month in and they’re already scared.

It’s no secret that Bernie wants to have his name floated around in the news right now for this same reason: AOC has the potential to do far more than he ever has in his entire career. Even the Overton Window discussions are far and away more of an accomplishment Bernie could have ever dreamed of.

Which is hilarious as she entered politics by campaigning for Bernie, but wised up and didn’t go the path most others did.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:39:41am

re: #191 Myron Falwell

Which is hilarious as she entered politics by campaigning for Bernie, but wised up and didn’t go the path most others did.

She’s smarter than that.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:40:47am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

She’s smarter than that.

Yup. Very much so. And it impresses me a helluva lot.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:41:01am

re: #191 Myron Falwell

I wonder when Bernie will figure out he was campaigning for her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:41:02am

re: #189 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m sure the neighbors won’t mind.

offer to let them play in it

we used to play hide-and-seek among the slag heaps of chemical tailings out behind the Purex Bleach Plant in Gary, Indiana.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:41:54am

re: #187 Belafon

Love those anonymous Dem quotes.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:42:09am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Don’t make coal mining a “white” thing. A few hours in the mine, and it was hard to tell. Several W Virginia coal towns were black-majority.

The vast majority of African Americans who migrated to southern West Virginia found new lives in coal company towns. These mining camps were favored by black migrants because jobs were there. Camps also provided available and affordable housing. The 1900 U.S. census shows that a majority of residents in many of the coal camps were African American. Black miners living and working in mining camps like Nuttallburg, Hawks Nest, and Stonecliff made up over 55 percent of the population.

nps.gov

Found ourselves near Nuttallburg last Summer.

The thing is that the mining nostalgia, especially the version Trump sold, was almost explicitly aimed at the white working class, because non-white working class is all but invisible to politicians.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:42:19am

Old Guys Need Money Tour!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:43:29am

re: #197 Citizen K

The thing is that the mining nostalgia, especially the version Trump sold, was almost explicitly aimed at the white working class, because non-white working class is all but invisible to politicians.

Thanks for clearing that up, it is more about the rose-tinted image they were selling than about the gritty reality of it.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:43:40am

re: #191 Myron Falwell

Lol less than a month in and they’re already scared.

It’s no secret that Bernie wants to have his name floated around in the news right now for this same reason: AOC has the potential to do far more than he ever has in his entire career. Even the Overton Window discussions are far and away more of an accomplishment Bernie could have ever dreamed of.

Which is hilarious as she entered politics by campaigning for Bernie, but wised up and didn’t go the path most others did.

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

She’s smarter than that.

She’s the right amount of idealistic and pragmatic for the times I feel like. She’s shooting for the moon, but not to the point of cutting off her nose to spite her face like a lot of the Berner crowd seems dead set on.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:44:46am

re: #200 Citizen K

AOC is going to be Bernie’s running mate…..

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:46:37am

Nancy saw the results of the 2018 midterms and came out swinging, AOC is her left hook. They really have the GOP reeling and I hope they do not let up until we get the GOP out of power in 2020.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:46:41am

re: #197 Citizen K

The thing is that the mining nostalgia, especially the version Trump sold, was almost explicitly aimed at the white working class, because non-white working class is all but invisible to GOP politicians.

Y’all aren’t from around here, are ya?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:51:49am

re: #187 Belafon

From one anonymous Democrat quoted by the Hill:

I agree with this assessment from mistermix:

wft is this bullshit?

“You’ve got numerous council people and state legislators who’ve been waiting 20 years for that seat.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 6:58:13am

Good thread on Harley…… And they deserve everything they get.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:09:15am

re: #205 Dave In Austin

Good thread on Harley…… And they deserve everything they get.

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Yeah, sorry not sorry, Harley.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:09:35am

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Y’all aren’t from around here, are ya?

I meant what I said. It’s not a GOP-only phenomenon, as shown by Bernie and Co., and their fetishism for White Working Class.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:11:32am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:12:31am

hahahahahahahaaa

moron

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:13:15am

re: #204 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

wft is this bullshit?

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:14:36am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahaaa

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moron

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:17:25am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahaaa

moron

Having been in numerious organizations where there’s nothing you can do about the boss, I know that some of his supporters laugh every time he tries to claim it’s someone he hardly knew.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:17:53am

re: #210 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
“You’ve got councilpeople who’ve been waiting 20 yrs for that seat.”

That broken mentality, that public office is something you wait in line for, instead of earning through hard organizing, is exactly what voters want to change.

Shows you how disconnected some folks here are.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:19:25am

re: #207 Citizen K

I meant what I said. It’s not a GOP-only phenomenon, as shown by Bernie and Co., and their fetishism for White Working Class.

I don’t remember Bernie explicitly separating the working class interest into shades. WWC is a meme that is about the Berniacs, not from the Berniacs. It will be somewhat comforting to the Republicans to see us going into 2020 waving a hundred competing manifestos.

Bernie’s sin is that he tends to ignore race issues, not that he has come down on the wrong side of them.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:20:04am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

It’s impressive the number of coffee boys that were in the dump’s campaign…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:20:34am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

A low level staffer that I hardly knew named Cliff Sims wrote yet another boring book based on made up stories and fiction. He pretended to be an insider when in fact he was nothing more than a gofer. He signed a non-disclosure agreement. He is a mess!

Trump should open a coffee chain with all those coffee servers and let the Starbuck’s boss run the White House

and NA’s do not apply to government service unless they are disclosing confidential material.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:21:11am

re: #215 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s impressive the number of coffee boys that were in the dump’s campaign…

We have it on good authority that the coffee service industry is a preferred path to the WH.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:21:31am

re: #215 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It seems I wasn’t the only person to note that interesting factoid.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:23:42am

re: #215 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s impressive the number of coffee boys that were in the dump’s campaign…

And all Hope Hicks got to do was iron Trump’s pants…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:25:10am

re: #218 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It seems I wasn’t the only person to note that interesting factoid.

It’s Casey’s Long Distance Dedication Time!

Karen Young - Bring On The Boys

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Danack  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:25:22am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Bernie’s sin is that he tends to ignore race issues, not that he has come down on the wrong side of them.

Not just ignore….it’s stronger than that. He actively dismisses them, which pisses people off a lot more than just not giving them enough weight.

Also, the whole turning a blind eye to sexual assault inside his own campaign last time is another sin that is going to prevent him from being able to run a successful campaign.

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:26:12am

re: #204 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

wft is this bullshit?

If they’re stupid enough to be “waiting” - their turn as determined by some old man in the machine - then they deserve getting stomped on by hungry young democrats like AOC.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:27:20am

re: #221 Danack

Not just ignore….it’s stronger than that. He actively dismisses them, which pisses people off a lot more than just not giving them enough weight.

Also, the whole turning a blind eye to sexual assault inside his own campaign last time is another sin that is going to prevent him from being able to run a successful campaign.

I put forth my theory again that the only reason he seemed as popular as he did in 2016 was the number of Russian bots and GOP ratfuckers who used him to stick spokes in Hillary’s wheels.

he fact that so many of his real supporters were such air-headed idealists made it all the easier to exploit them, too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:29:41am
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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:30:17am

There’s a lucky golden kernel of corn hidden nearby. Let’s see which of our three contestants finds it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:30:22am

re: #201 Dave In Austin

AOC is going to be Bernie’s running mate…..

She can’t be. She’s 29.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:30:40am

re: #210 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:31:04am

JFC

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:31:26am

A Brief History of US Presidents:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:32:12am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

She can’t be. She’s 29.

That adds a new level of delight to people who panic at the sight and sound of her…she is not eligible until the 2028 election

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:32:33am

re: #229 Dr. Matt

A Brief History of US Presidents:

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The poop emoji is more accurate than the clown, imo

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Teukka  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:32:56am

Sanity break:
Image: fYbYkfvl.jpg

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:32:56am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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FAKE NEWS!!!!1!

If you saw the portion of that newspaper that was carefully cropped away from his signature, you would see the sharpied text is: “Skinny venti latte, no caramel”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:33:14am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Howard Schultz blames Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for his decision to run as Independent and it has to do with her plan to tax the rich

A good tactical move, he is running to save our millionaires from being plundered by AOC…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:33:43am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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OFFS. Cry me a river asshole. You’ve got enough money for several lifetimes and a proposal by a freshman that won’t impact your bottom line. You want all the benefits of social liberalism Howie but you don’t want to pay for it.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:33:47am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

Looks like we might be talking Scaramoochies with this guy.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:34:12am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A good tactical move, he is running to save our millionaires from being plundered by AOC…

Won’t someone think of the poor multi millionaires.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:35:06am

re: #215 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s impressive the number of coffee boys that were in the dump’s campaign…

Thing is that Trump drinks Cokes. I’m not buying all the coffee fetchers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:35:10am

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Won’t someone think of the poor multi millionaires.

First they came for the multi-millionaires but I did nothing as I was only worth a million…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:35:29am

I like AOC but people talking about her for POTUS need to take a breath. Let her legislate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:36:20am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:36:36am

re: #238 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Thing is that Trump drinks Cokes. I’m not buying all the coffee fetchers.

“Coke Connection” played poorly in the focus groups.

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Dr. Matt  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:37:17am

re: #215 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s impressive the number of coffee boys that were in the dump’s campaign…

It appears Donnie doesn’t know anyone that has ever worked for him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:37:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:38:37am

re: #243 Dr. Matt

It appears Donnie doesn’t know anyone that has ever worked for him.

He really does not care and probably has to be reminded of his son’s names.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:39:00am

re: #243 Dr. Matt

It appears Donnie doesn’t know anyone that has ever worked for him.

It’s because he can’t remember their names.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:39:56am

re: #244 Backwoods_Sleuth

Except a good 30% of the country, Howard, doesn’t want the American dream to be for everyone.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:39:57am

re: #236 Belafon

Looks like we might be talking Scaramoochies with this guy.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:40:52am

re: #221 Danack

Not just ignore….it’s stronger than that. He actively dismisses them, which pisses people off a lot more than just not giving them enough weight.

Also, the whole turning a blind eye to sexual assault inside his own campaign last time is another sin that is going to prevent him from being able to run a successful campaign.

One pol’s “dismiss” is another pol’s “perspective”. He grew up on the Marxist interpretation of race exploitation. When it comes to the people who are getting screwed working hard-assed jobs for low pay, the WC ain’t particularly W.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:42:07am

re: #185 Myron Falwell

I mean, the dope tweeted last week that his support among Hispanics rose from 19% to 50%, granted, that was obviously a poll of five or six Trump supporters…

Recently my Texas brother asserted that Hispanics were white. We quickly challenged that — like Americans, they are all races but probably include more native American ancestry than we do. However, it made me think about how many other immigrants, who were initially viewed with contempt and fear, eventually were reclassified as white and joined the privileged class, looking down on African-Americans. This same attitude infects Hispanics —after all, think of Cruz and Rubio and the George Zimmerman. They want to be treated as superior and are fine with treating their darker skinned brethren as inferior.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:42:30am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

I don’t remember Bernie explicitly separating the working class interest into shades. WWC is a meme that is about the Berniacs not from the Berniacs. It will be somewhat comforting to the Republicans to see us going into 2020 waving a hundred competing manifestos.

Bernie’s sin is that he tends to ignore race issues, not that he has come down on the wrong side of them.

I’m pretty sure Bernie especially specifically soapboxed for the white working class, especially in the wake of the ‘16 election. He almost always prefaced his appeals to the working class with ‘White’, enough to the point it became a bit memetic. Case in point:

“I think that there needs to be a profound change in the way the Democratic Party does business,” Sanders said. “It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from.”

Yes, Bernie said that he was from the White Working Class, but it was always couched in the idea that the Dems didn’t appeal specifically to that demo, his demo. This wasn’t exactly an outlier far as his rhetoric too.

EDIT: Additionally, from our own GoddamnedFrank:

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:43:19am

re: #221 Danack

Not just ignore….it’s stronger than that. He actively dismisses them, which pisses people off a lot more than just not giving them enough weight.

Also, the whole turning a blind eye to sexual assault inside his own campaign last time is another sin that is going to prevent him from being able to run a successful campaign.

That’s the worst thing about him imo. The gun record I can accept but I cannot accept his excuses for racism and dismissing those who correctly point out that not everything is an issue of wealth disparities.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:44:47am

re: #247 Belafon

“I think Republicans are looking for a home. If Republicans have a choice between a far left liberal progressive candidate on the Democratic side or President Trump, President Trump is going to get reelected.” — Howard Schultz on 2020

“Democrats veer hard left” is being leaned on in the media narrative a lot more heavily now that “Dems in disarray” has fallen by the wayside.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:45:45am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:47:37am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:49:23am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

The odds were such that no intelligent life form would have ever placed a microscopic wager on it.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:50:50am

re: #222 William Lewis

If they’re stupid enough to be “waiting” - their turn as determined by some old man in the machine - then they deserve getting stomped on by hungry young democrats like AOC.

exactly
you run you may win
you dont run, tough shit

without channeling star wars too much, the failure is not in losing, it’s in not trying

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:51:45am

re: #254 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ian Millhiser

@imillhiser
This is the most perfect Jeff Flake move that ever Jeff Flaked. He’s going to be paid to say mean things about Donald Trump but do nothing about it.

JoeMyGod

@JoeMyGod
Jeff Flake Joins CBS News, Won’t Run In 2020 [VIDEO] - is.gd

Jeff Flake is not wealthy and does not have an adoring base; there is no way he could mount any real challenge to Trump within the party. The only power he has is to continue his public statements against the President.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:52:51am

re: #224 Backwoods_Sleuth

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oh come on
the caption to the first three had to be “get me coffee”
the fourth is self explanatory - thanks for getting the coffee

oh wait, trump saying ‘thanks’? yeah sure

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:52:58am

re: #258 Hecuba’s daughter

Jeff Flake is not wealthy and does not have an adoring base; there is no way he could mount any real challenge to Trump within the party. The only power he has is to continue his public statements against the President.

Which are toothless, given his lapdog behavior in Congress.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:53:51am

re: #233 Decatur Deb

FAKE NEWS!!!!1!

If you saw the portion of that newspaper that was carefully cropped away from his signature, you would see the sharpied text is: “Skinny venti latte, no caramel”.

gmta

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:55:26am

This is the executive board of the SEIU, about the largest private sector union left (2M+). This is the working class that deserves a voice. It isn’t white, it isn’t male.

Click to embiggen.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:55:27am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Don’t make coal mining a “white” thing. A few hours in the mine, and it was hard to tell. Several W Virginia coal towns were black-majority.

The vast majority of African Americans who migrated to southern West Virginia found new lives in coal company towns. These mining camps were favored by black migrants because jobs were there. Camps also provided available and affordable housing. The 1900 U.S. census shows that a majority of residents in many of the coal camps were African American. Black miners living and working in mining camps like Nuttallburg, Hawks Nest, and Stonecliff made up over 55 percent of the population.

nps.gov

Found ourselves near Nuttallburg last Summer.

In Birmingham many of the coal and iron ore miners were immigrants from Greece and Lebanon. Of course, them being Christian and not black enabled them to open businesses in the white community. Many restaurants in the area were established by them, mostly not Greek or Lebanese cuisine.

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Old Liberal  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:55:45am

re: #63 Joe Bacon 🌹

Somebody remind Sally that ol Stenographer Brokaw did utter a bunch or racist bullshit and his fellow Presstitutes gave him the usual pass.

I wish Brokaw had retracted his statement as being untrue and wrong instead of apologizing for hurting feelings

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:57:26am

re: #264 Old Liberal

I wish Brokaw had retracted his statement as being untrue and wrong instead of apologizing for hurting feelings

Another reason why I wish Media Whores Online was still up and running…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:57:45am

re: #260 gwangung

Which are toothless, given his lapdog behavior in Congress.

In Congress, he could have done something — and didn’t until the last month. But now he really has no power to do anything except voice objections. But again, his only objections were to Trump’s style and not substance.

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:58:47am

re: #249 Decatur Deb

One pol’s “dismiss” is another pol’s “perspective”. He grew up on the Marxist interpretation of race exploitation. When it comes to the people who are getting screwed working hard-assed jobs for low pay, the WC ain’t particularly W.

I started off thinking it was the whole classic Marxist thing, but the closer I look at him (doing the minimum possible in the Civil Rights movement, moving to lily white New England from diverse NYC, dismissal of anything to do with the concerns of people of color or women (worst case - a woman of color) & etc ) and I have slowly come to the conclusion that on issues of race and women’s rights there is effectively no difference between Bernie and Trump.

I am encouraged by the rise of AOC because she understands the hard work needed and the need to keep on working. Her policy prescriptions are within the realm of possible if the Democratic party gains the senate as well and I can see her doing everything she can to make that happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 7:59:33am
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Barefoot Grin  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:00:39am

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Don’t make coal mining a “white” thing. A few hours in the mine, and it was hard to tell. Several W Virginia coal towns were black-majority.

The vast majority of African Americans who migrated to southern West Virginia found new lives in coal company towns. These mining camps were favored by black migrants because jobs were there. Camps also provided available and affordable housing. The 1900 U.S. census shows that a majority of residents in many of the coal camps were African American. Black miners living and working in mining camps like Nuttallburg, Hawks Nest, and Stonecliff made up over 55 percent of the population.

nps.gov

Found ourselves near Nuttallburg last Summer.

Anthony Bourdain did a show about West Virginia and featured the diversity of the mining communities. I had no idea.

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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:03:25am

re: #258 Hecuba’s daughter

Jeff Flake is not wealthy and does not have an adoring base; there is no way he could mount any real challenge to Trump within the party. The only power he has is to continue his public statements against the President.

To be blunt, he’s better off laying low and not saying anything while his party implodes from within than just show up and make mealy-mouthed complaints.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:03:55am

re: #252 HappyWarrior

That’s the worst thing about him imo. The gun record I can accept but I cannot accept his excuses for racism and dismissing those who correctly point out that not everything is an issue of wealth disparities.

During the primaries, Bernie dismissed Hillary’s wins in the South — wins propelled by her support in the African-American community. Has he ever said anything about the black female legislator in Vermont who resigned due to racist harassment?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:04:40am

re: #267 William Lewis

So if an evil fate made Bernie and Trump the two candidates, you’d flip a coin?

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:04:59am

re: #271 Hecuba’s daughter

During the primaries, Bernie dismissed Hillary’s wins in the South — wins propelled by her support in the African-American community. Has he ever said anything about the black female legislator in Vermont who resigned due to racist harassment?

Yes, but only after she was hounded from office.

Way too little, way too late.

POC see that; they naturally think, “No way in hell will he address our issues effectively.”

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:05:09am

re: #271 Hecuba’s daughter

During the primaries, Bernie dismissed Hillary’s wins in the South — wins propelled by her support in the African-American community. Has he ever said anything about the black female legislator in Vermont who resigned due to racist harassment?

Yeah, he made a comment. I can’t go find it right now.

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plansbandc  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:06:09am

re: #263 BlueSpotinAL

Niki’s West. Yummmm!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:06:11am

COOS!!!

loads more coos fun in the thread

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:06:43am

re: #271 Hecuba’s daughter

During the primaries, Bernie dismissed Hillary’s wins in the South — wins propelled by her support in the African-American community. Has he ever said anything about the black female legislator in Vermont who resigned due to racist harassment?

He made a twitter statement about it after the prosecutor announced that they’d decline to prosecute, but that seems like it’s about the extent of it.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:07:20am

re: #268 Backwoods_Sleuth

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overall a good statement except “we” didnt create an emergency

he did shift to specifically pointing at the president and his so called fiscal conservatives….

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:07:59am

re: #273 gwangung

Yes, but only after she was hounded from office.

Way too little, way too late.

POC see that; they naturally think, “No way in hell will he address our issues effectively.”

This seems rather relevant, considering who’s saying it:

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Old Liberal  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:08:15am

re: #129 DodgerFan1988

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The face of evil.

Does that include “white” Christian refugees? Bet not. Which reminds me of the large influx of Russian Baptists that came here in the 90’s and 00’s.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:08:20am

My perception of Bernie’s issue with race is that he was still in the mindset that if you just fix economics, everything else will fall in place. His dismissal of race was that it was really a consequence of economic anxiety. He can care about individual race instances, but not see them as part of a larger picture. Like my parents.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:09:50am

re: #278 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

overall a good statement except “we” didnt create an emergency

he did shift to specifically pointing at the president and his so called fiscal conservatives….

Just reading the tweet, he says “we’re facing” not “we created.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:10:22am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:12:00am

If it came down to Trump vs. Bernie, I’d seriously consider moving back to Canada.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:12:15am

So Roger pleads Not Guilty…

washingtonpost.com

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Jay C  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:12:21am

re: #283 GlutenFreeJesus

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Amazing: Trump’s organization seems to have had more coffee boys than Howard Schultz’s…..

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:12:57am

re: #284 Eclectic Cyborg

If it came down to Trump vs. Bernie, I’d seriously consider moving back to Canada.

I would bust my hump for Bernie, and then we’d lose.

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garzooma  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:13:37am

re: #209 Backwoods_Sleuth

hahahahahahahaaa

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A low level staffer that I hardly knew named Cliff Sims wrote yet another boring book based on made up stories and fiction. He pretended to be an insider when in fact he was nothing more than a gofer. He signed a non-disclosure agreement. He is a mess!

If the stories are fiction, how does the non-disclosure agreement apply?
The dope basically verified that the stories are true!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:13:38am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:14:49am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

More like Foreign actors, multinational corporations and special interests think they can buy a billionaire and make him President.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:15:14am

Rachel said that Trump’s fantasy about duct-taped women and amazing vehicles seemed to be inspired by the new Sicario film. Sounds like the great Republican President Reagan, who often mistook events portrayed in films with reality.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:15:38am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:16:05am

re: #291 Hecuba’s daughter

Rachel said that Trump’s fantasy about duct-taped women and amazing vehicles seemed to be inspired by the new Sicario film. Sounds like the great Republican President Reagan, who often mistook events portrayed in films with reality.

He was a Method president.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:16:32am

re: #288 garzooma

If the stories are fiction, how does the non-disclosure agreement apply?
The dope basically verified that the stories are true!

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:16:40am

re: #281 Belafon

My perception of Bernie’s issue with race is that he was still in the mindset that if you just fix economics, everything else will fall in place. His dismissal of race was that it was really a consequence of economic anxiety. He can care about individual race instances, but not see them as part of a larger picture. Like my parents.

And he’ll ignore POC when they say it ain’t economics, it’s racism plain and simple.

Oh, yeah, he’ll acknowledge a specific individual, but then he forgets his “apology” and goes back to doing the same damn thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:19:09am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

Warren fires back at Howard Schultz: “What’s ridiculous is billionaires who think they can buy the presidency”

It’s not. He knows that his notoriety can guarantee him free advertising and that his statements will get picked up and spread and discussed as if he were a serious candidate.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:20:08am

The only thing we ever learn is solidarity, and the only thing we always forget is solidarity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:21:40am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

JUST IN: Trump campaign to sue ex-White House aide Cliff Sims for violating NDA, despite president claiming book is “fiction”

again; can an NDA apply to a government position as long as that person is not revealing classified information?

Reminded of an old joke from the Brezhnev era about a fellow who got ten years’ hard labor for calling the Party Secretary an idiot; one year for defaming Soviet authorities and nine years for revealing a state secret.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:22:43am

re: #288 garzooma

If the stories are fiction, how does the non-disclosure agreement apply?
The dope basically verified that the stories are true!

Wait, I thought Federal Employees could not even have NDAs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:23:32am

BATAVAIA, Ohio (WKRC) - The man who police say crashed into an off-duty Clearcreek Township officer Monday night in Batavia Township, killing him, is locked up on a one million dollar bond. Justin Watts, 31, is charged with aggravated vehicular homicide.

snip

The assistant prosecutor cited a lengthy criminal history. They also said he was on probation at the time of the crash for a felonious assault in Warren County.

The prosecution also said Watts overdosed in 2018 and was charged with possessing fentanyl. He also has a past drug trafficking conviction, according to the assistant prosecutor.

drug trafficker who killed a cop.

and the moron’s Wall wouldn’t have stopped it

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:23:50am

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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Dear Howard,

It is called the popular vote. Right now it is popular in America to get the income tax system fixed.

You and your comments are not popular. Therefore you are just an obstruction most likely planned to muck up the votes to get Trump elected again.

Please fuck off and go away.

Signed,

The no-longer silent majority sick of your super-rich bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:23:58am

re: #279 Citizen K

This seems rather relevant, considering who’s saying it:

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Absolutely. It’s a huge problem he has and it’s why he has no business being the leader of a party he won’t even join. The comments prove Kiah’s point including one that implied she was a shill for the 1%.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:24:19am

re: #288 garzooma

If the stories are fiction, how does the non-disclosure agreement apply?
The dope basically verified that the stories are true!

considering what we’ve been led to believe wrt to that awfully small mushroom, he manages to step on it quite a lot

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:26:31am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

I like AOC but people talking about her for POTUS need to take a breath. Let her legislate.

Just another example of people in this country not understanding politics. The bigger problem is they also do not seem to want to learn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:27:47am

“The 35-day partial government shutdown helped triggered a sharp drop in consumer confidence in January and signaled growing worries about the future, a fresh survey shows, though optimism has typically rebounded after similar episodes in the past.

The consumer confidence index fell to 120.2 in this month from 126.6 in December, the privately run Conference Board said Tuesday. Economists polled by MarketWatch had forecast a reading of 124.0.”

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:28:08am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Just another example of people in this country not understanding politics. The bigger problem is they also do not seem to want to learn.

Come back in ten years. Then we’ll see her track record as a legislator. THAT is the time to talk about her for the presidency.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:28:42am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:28:51am

re: #295 gwangung

And he’ll ignore POC when they say it ain’t economics, it’s racism plain and simple.

Oh, yeah, he’ll acknowledge a specific individual, but then he forgets his “apology” and goes back to doing the same damn thing.

Bernie did boast of his association with the civil rights movement in the 60’s. His supporters contrasted his actions with those of Hillary, who was a Goldwater teenager. Is it possible that Bernie’s behavior then was in service to the old Soviet Union, which tried to recruit and promote its ideology by taking advantage of a movement that was combating the racist evil that has permeated our nation since its inception?

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goddamnedfrank  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:37:32am

re: #298 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

again; can an NDA apply to a government position as long as that person is not revealing classified information?

I think so far the “lawsuits” have focused on revealing things that took place during the campaign, before they were public employees. Phillips is Omorosa’s lawyer and Trump’s campaign has attempted to force her into an arbitration proceeding in New York.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:38:19am

re: #306 gwangung

Come back in ten years. Then we’ll see her track record as a legislator. THAT is the time to talk about her for the presidency.

Maybe she’ll decide that she prefers being Speaker!! That is one of the most powerful positions in our government when in capable hands. And she is learning at the feet of the master.

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gwangung  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:39:47am

re: #310 Hecuba’s daughter

Maybe she’ll decide that she prefers being Speaker!! That is one of the most powerful positions in our government when in capable hands. And she is learning at the feet of the master.

And she’s smart enough to figure that out. Even if Pelosi isn’t progressive enough for her, she realizes that Nancy has stuff she can learn that’ll help down the line…and, more importantly, NANCY IS JUST FINE WITH THAT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:40:52am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:44:04am
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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:44:49am

re: #308 Hecuba’s daughter

Bernie did boast of his association with the civil rights movement in the 60’s. His supporters contrasted his actions with those of Hillary, who was a Goldwater teenager. Is it possible that Bernie’s behavior then was in service to the old Soviet Union, which tried to recruit and promote its ideology by taking advantage of a movement that was combating the racist evil that has permeated our nation since its inception?

I wouldn’t say that he was a Soviet agent. A lot of socialists USSR fans or not supported the Civil Rifhts movement. Anyhow I always hated HRC being criticized for what she was in high school ignoring her civil rights record in college and beyond.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:46:12am

re: #311 gwangung

And she’s smart enough to figure that out. Even if Pelosi isn’t progressive enough for her, she realizes that Nancy has stuff she can learn that’ll help down the line…and, more importantly, NANCY IS JUST FINE WITH THAT.

Nancy is very progressive; it’s just that she has a conservative demeanor. That is often a more successful approach to accomplishing radical change. Cloak progressive ideas in moderate language.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:49:29am

re: #281 Belafon

My perception of Bernie’s issue with race is that he was still in the mindset that if you just fix economics, everything else will fall in place. His dismissal of race was that it was really a consequence of economic anxiety. He can care about individual race instances, but not see them as part of a larger picture. Like my parents.

Economic anxiety is really a consequence of racism.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:50:28am

re: #315 Hecuba’s daughter

Nancy is very progressive; it’s just that she has a conservative demeanor. That is often a more successful approach to accomplishing radical change. Cloak progressive ideas in moderate language.

I think she cloaks her ideas in the pragmatism of what can be accomplished right now. Which sounds exactly like what AOC has been saying.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:52:12am

re: #281 Belafon

My perception of Bernie’s issue with race is that he was still in the mindset that if you just fix economics, everything else will fall in place. His dismissal of race was that it was really a consequence of economic anxiety. He can care about individual race instances, but not see them as part of a larger picture. Like my parents.

And if Bernie was the hot shit he and his backers think he is, he would know that what he is doing is dismissing the reality of it all.

Everything else never falls in place. It never has in the past, it won’t in the future. Those people that are behind will still remain behind if they are not given the help to rise out of the situation they are in. You still have social strata based on bigotry and economics, not just economics. Give everyone a raise in income and the strata remain the bigotry remains.

And in some cases it gives the bigot the “out” in saying, see we gave them money and they are still where they are because they are not like us.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:52:39am

She’s running for Thom Tillis’ seat

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:52:47am

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s going to be great when the Court rules that the NDAs Trump forced everyone to sign are not enforceable as against public policy.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:55:31am

re: #187 Belafon

From one anonymous Democrat quoted by the Hill:

I agree with this assessment from mistermix:

Who knew Brian J was a congressperson?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:55:36am
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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:56:03am

re: #296 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It’s not. He knows that his notoriety can guarantee him free advertising and that his statements will get picked up and spread and discussed as if he were a serious candidate.

And the money gave him the notoriety. He still buys the office because his money gave him access others can not get.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:56:25am
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Teukka  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:56:55am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:57:10am

Howard Shultz is sounding more and more like Trump Lite

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:58:12am
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Myron Falwell  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:59:35am

re: #322 The Vicious Babushka

The only saving grace is that the denialists are being totally attached to his outright stupidity and illiteracy on the subject matter, and it couldn’t be a better fate for them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 8:59:52am

doppelganger?

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:02:23am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Howard Shultz is sounding more and more like Trump Lite

I’m hoping some of the women on there are going after him on those statements.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:03:23am

re: #323 ObserverArt

And the money gave him the notoriety. He still buys the office because his money gave him access others can not get.

The last thing America needs is another billionaire businessman buying his way into the Oval Office.

As to Starbucks, the last time I was at one would’ve been three years ago. When it comes to coffee, I usually go to Coffeeshop Company (an Austrian chain), or two local chains (local to Ostrava, that is): Laura Coffee or Ostravanka. Better coffee that Starbucks, quite frankly, and about half the price to boot.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:04:08am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Howard Shultz is sounding more and more like Trump Lite

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Bullshit. And you know what Howard, you care of age in an era where a lot of the proposals you dismiss were common and certainly benefited you.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:04:29am

re: #329 Backwoods_Sleuth

doppelganger?

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Holy shit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:05:08am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

“In order to run as a Democrat today, you have to fall in line with free Medicare for everybody—free—free college for everybody, a free job for everybody,” Howard Schultz tells TheView. “We can’t afford to do it free”

He is being sent forth to tell us that Democrats want to turn us into Venezuela (our soon-to-be arch enemy)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:05:25am

re: #313 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is the second time in 24 hours that Tall Flat White Howard Schultz has called a woman of color’s ideas un-American.

and he dismissed it by saying “that’s not correct”

as if he’s got some monopoly on truth

It is dangerous for the rest of us when any powerful person thinks he has the ultimate ideology

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:05:28am
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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:06:05am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Holy shit.

Yeah, that’s definitely an uncanny resemblance; put him in a suit and tie instead of an orange jumpsuit and it’d be one of those “separated at birth” things.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:09:26am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

The last thing America needs is another billionaire businessman buying his way into the Oval Office.

As to Starbucks, the last time I was at one would’ve been three years ago. When it comes to coffee, I usually go to Coffeeshop Company (an Austrian chain), or two local chains (local to Ostrava, that is): Laura Coffee or Ostravanka. Better coffee that Starbucks, quite frankly, and about half the price to boot.

At least Howard Schultz and Bloomberg both made their riches themselves, and not by inheriting Daddy’s money or Daddy’s business. That doesn’t make Howard qualified at all (as I always state, Bloomberg does have government experience). I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if Pritzker actually succeeds as governor (spoiler alert: he won’t) , that Pritzker will join the merry band of billionaires seeking the Presidency the next time around when a Republican is in office.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:09:47am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

Dumbass know nothing confuses weather with climate, and thinks that the US is equivalent to the globe.

Fucking morons. Global temps are up. Global sea temps are up. Global warming also means more extreme weather because there’s more energy in the environment (water and air). Warm air holds more moisture and energy, which means more extreme weather over time. Warmer water means more severe storms occurring over water (aka cyclones, hurricanes, typhoons, etc.)

Trump doesn’t care. He doesn’t know. Fox isn’t going to fact check ‘em, because they’re still pushing this nonsense.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:10:21am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

As to Starbucks, the last time I was at one would’ve been three years ago.

I have to date never been to a Starbucks. (There are around 150 of them in Germany)

I have been to Costa Coffee, a UK knockoff. But in general, there are enough cafés here where you can find a decent cup at a reasonable price and I am not a connoisseur of fancy lattes or cappucinos with shots of flavored goo in them

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:10:39am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Howard Shultz is sounding more and more like Trump Lite

“In order to run as a Democrat today, you have to fall in line with free Medicare for everybody—free—free college for everybody, a free job for everybody,” Howard Schultz tells @TheView. “We can’t afford to do it free”

this is a display of wilfull stupidity pretending to not know what ‘free’ in this context means

or is he really that stupid?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:12:06am

re: #341 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

this is a display of wilfull stupidity pretending to not know what ‘free’ in this context means

or is he really that stupid?

no, this is willful malice

he has a task, again, to save us from the Democrats who will turn us into a Socialist hellhole if we elect them

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:13:28am

F You, Shultz.

It’s time to knock these arrogant pricks down to size. Impose a MAXIMUM WAGE that nobody can net more income than 80% of the salary of the President.

If they cannot live on $320,000 then they need to dump their second and third mansions and Rolls Royces.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:13:49am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

no, this is willful malice

he has a task, again, to save us from the Democrats who will turn us into a Socialist hellhole if we elect them

He’s definitely going after they “Well, THEY don’t deserve it” vote.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:13:50am

re: #341 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

this is a display of wilfull stupidity pretending to not know what ‘free’ in this context means

or is he really that stupid?

He’s really that stupid. Why isn’t he trying out the Libertarian Party? That seems like a legitimate vehicle for someone with his views. Socially liberal, economically regressive.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:14:40am

re: #331 Dr Lizardo

The last thing America needs is another billionaire businessman buying his way into the Oval Office.

As to Starbucks, the last time I was at one would’ve been three years ago. When it comes to coffee, I usually go to Coffeeshop Company (an Austrian chain), or two local chains (local to Ostrava, that is): Laura Coffee or Ostravanka. Better coffee that Starbucks, quite frankly, and about half the price to boot.

i’ll repeat from yesterday on this whole notion of the businessman(person) president

no one who’s built and run a company that big, no one, has the temperament to be president.

they are used to being obeyed. to, in a sense, being a dictator.
they are not used to things like:
- co-equal branches of government
- governing documents that apply to them
- systems, policies, rules they cannot change or break
- foreigners (ie heads of other states (companies)), etc who simply wont do whatever it is they want when they want

they think, when faced with momentous decisions that they are great decision makers.
that is not how politics works; not how any of this works

they are not politicians and, no i dont have time for another one to try and get trained on the job (or even pretend)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:16:07am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

Howard Shultz is sounding more and more like Trump Lite

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WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DOING IT FOR FREE???

It won’t be free, we’ll have to raise taxes and find new revenue streams (marijuana legalization, etc) to fund it.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:18:02am

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DOING IT FOR FREE???

It won’t be free, we’ll have to raise taxes and find new revenue streams (marijuana legalization, etc) to fund it.

This. Anyhow I don’t care how much Schultz makes but I’m tired of wealthy assholes saying we shouldn’t invest in our own people while they’re fine with DOD waste and corporate gimmes. That’s the problem.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:18:25am

re: #326 The Vicious Babushka

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:19:37am

re: #346 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

….

they are used to being obeyed. to, in a sense, being a dictator.
they are not used to things like:
…..
- foreigners (ie heads of other states (companies)), etc who simply wont do whatever it is they want when they want

they think, when faced with momentous decisions that they are great decision makers.
that is not how politics works; not how any of this works

they are not politicians and, no i dont have time for another one to try and get trained on the job (or even pretend)

One disagreement: CEO’s of large legitimate organizations are accustomed to dealing with other large companies that don’t automatically kowtow to them. They are facile at negotiating and coming to agreements that benefit their organizations.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:21:34am

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DOING IT FOR FREE???

It won’t be free, we’ll have to raise taxes and find new revenue streams (marijuana legalization, etc) to fund it.

I know I know!! A tax on wealth in excess of 50 million dollars!! And an increase in marginal tax rates!!

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:22:01am

re: #349 lawhawk

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It’s a good thing he’s showing his ass so thoroughly this early on. Who does this schtick appeal to? He might actually hurt Trump more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:23:33am

re: #351 Hecuba’s daughter

I know I know!! A tax on wealth in excess of 50 million dollars!! And an increase in marginal tax rates!!

legalization. of marijuana

and getting undocumented aliens to pay taxes and SS contributions

closing tax loopholes and simply collecting the money that is owed the IRS

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:24:22am

Schultz wants to be the American version of Macron.

And he would be just as inept.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:24:36am

re: #350 Hecuba’s daughter

One disagreement: CEO’s of large legitimate organizations are accustomed to dealing with other large companies that don’t automatically kowtow to them. They are facile at negotiating and coming to agreements that benefit their organizations.

They have teams of lawyers and experts who negotiate to an outcome that both sides can approve of.

With Trump, we’ve long seen that he’s an extortionist who screws anyone he deals with. He fucks over lawyers who work for him, contractors who build stuff for him, and everyone else.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:26:03am

re: #354 Joe Bacon 🌹

Schultz wants to be the American version of Macron.

And he would be just as inept.

Macron at least has a vision on climate change.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:26:26am

re: #338 Hecuba’s daughter

At least Howard Schultz and Bloomberg both made their riches themselves, and not by inheriting Daddy’s money or Daddy’s business. That doesn’t make Howard qualified at all (as I always state, Bloomberg does have government experience). I wouldn’t be surprised, however, if Pritzker actually succeeds as governor (spoiler alert: he won’t) , that Pritzker will join the merry band of billionaires seeking the Presidency the next time around when a Republican is in office.

I sure as heck hope JB is successful; we’ve been yanked around enough! (No, I didn’t vote for him in the primary, as I thought another billionaire was not on the list of things we needed.)

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:27:38am

Schultz whole thing is I’m a businessman and I don’t like this mean lefties saying that our government should benefit the people. It’s not going to work especially if the economy isn’t doing well.

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Dr Lizardo  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:30:17am

re: #340 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have to date never been to a Starbucks. (There are around 150 of them in Germany)

I have been to Costa Coffee, a UK knockoff. But in general, there are enough cafés here where you can find a decent cup at a reasonable price and I am not a connoisseur of fancy lattes or cappucinos with shots of flavored goo in them

Yeah, been to Costa a couple of times; the local one here has a 40% off discount when you go there before the mall it’s located in opens, which is a pretty good incentive.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:31:16am

re: #355 lawhawk

They have teams of lawyers and experts who negotiate to an outcome that both sides can approve of.

With Trump, we’ve long seen that he’s an extortionist who screws anyone he deals with. He fucks over lawyers who work for him, contractors who build stuff for him, and everyone else.

That’s because Trump was not the CEO of a legitimate organization; it was a family-owned real estate firm that engaged in criminal activities during its entire existence, including dealings with the mob (traditional and Russian). It is tiresome that the wealthy can engage in such behavior without repercussions; there should be a special division of the Justice Department devoted to investigating and bringing to justice those who engage in this widespread flouting of the law.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:32:19am

Enough of businessmen assholes I say.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:32:43am

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Enough of businessmen assholes I say.

Elon Musk 2020.

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Dave In Austin  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:33:24am
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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:33:41am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Just another example of people in this country not understanding politics. The bigger problem is they also do not seem to want to learn.

I think the bigger problem is what they think they know is not true.

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BlueGrl21  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:33:53am

re: #39 teleskiguy

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Why do I always join too late?

The response to this tweet, that slam dunk? My husband coached #5 in that video. I just got to see him a week ago. That’s my third son right there. :)

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:34:00am

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT DOING IT FOR FREE???

It won’t be free, we’ll have to raise taxes and find new revenue streams (marijuana legalization, etc) to fund it.

That is exactly what I just wrote to Schultz.

We pay big bucks for insurance now. Throw all of that money in a huge pool with one payee to the medical systems and tell me we couldn’t have better coverage for everyone.

I told him he is using the word “free” as a scare tactic to other rich people and he is nothing but a vote taker that will bring us Trump again.

And you all can too!

Here is his contact page. Let him have it! We need to discourage this guy big time. Now is the time. You get 1000 characters to comment so get to the point.

Howard Schultz Contact Page

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:34:33am

re: #362 Eclectic Cyborg

Elon Musk 2020.

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Elon Musk is the man we need on the rockets when the moon breaks apart.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:34:38am
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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:35:31am

re: #357 retired cynic

I sure as heck hope JB is successful; we’ve been yanked around enough! (No, I didn’t vote for him in the primary, as I thought another billionaire was not on the list of things we needed.)

I didn’t vote for anyone in the primary; was disappointed with all the main candidates. But maybe JB will succeed — which will certainly make him a serious prospect for the Presidency. After all, managing to save our state is a task of Herculean proportions.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:36:12am

Also, our healthcare system needs a real overhaul. So much stuff is ridiculously overpriced.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:36:20am

re: #367 Belafon

Elon Musk is the man we need on the rockets when the moon breaks apart.

Elon Musk 2020: Kim Jong Un is a pedo!

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:37:26am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, our healthcare system needs a real overhaul. So much stuff is ridiculously overpriced.

We really don’t get bang for our buck. We could have better health care and could potentially cut spending but guys like Schultz are too short sighted to see that.

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:38:13am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

So if an evil fate made Bernie and Trump the two candidates, you’d flip a coin?

If fate were that evil, I’d be in the woods with a copy of Che’s book…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:39:17am

re: #350 Hecuba’s daughter

One disagreement: CEO’s of large legitimate organizations are accustomed to dealing with other large companies that don’t automatically kowtow to them. They are facile at negotiating and coming to agreements that benefit their organizations.

Fair point

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:41:49am

re: #348 HappyWarrior

This. Anyhow I don’t care how much Schultz makes but I’m tired of wealthy assholes saying we shouldn’t invest in our own people while they’re fine with DOD waste and corporate gimmes. That’s the problem.

he’s also implying the “why should i ‘pay’ for something i dont get personal benefit from” argument

at the highest level

(no we dont need to go into taxes are the cost of society etc…)

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:41:52am

re: #373 William Lewis

If fate were that evil, I’d be in the woods with a copy of Che’s book…

If Trump and Bernie were the candidates, that would mean that whoever won, Putin would be President.

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:41:59am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, our healthcare system needs a real overhaul. So much stuff is ridiculously overpriced.

Cutting out the middle man profit takers in the big insurance industry will reduce costs. And no, it will not eliminate insurance companies, they can still offer insurance for all the other things that we insure. A lot of the people in the health insurance industry can move into government implementation or into related medical fields.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:42:57am

re: #267 William Lewis

I started off thinking it was the whole classic Marxist thing, but the closer I look at him (doing the minimum possible in the Civil Rights movement, moving to lily white New England from diverse NYC, dismissal of anything to do with the concerns of people of color or women (worst case - a woman of color) & etc ) and I have slowly come to the conclusion that on issues of race and women’s rights there is effectively no difference between Bernie and Trump.

I am encouraged by the rise of AOC because she understands the hard work needed and the need to keep on working. Her policy prescriptions are within the realm of possible if the Democratic party gains the senate as well and I can see her doing everything she can to make that happen.

I wouldn’t go quite that far. I could see Sanders reestablishing the civil rights division of the DOJ. I just don’t see an policy initiatives that would address matters of race and women’s rights independent of economic policy.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:44:02am

Oh, joy, Dan Bongino has a new “book” out, something about the Deep State “sabotaging” DJT. Which will make it about the eleventieth wingnut book about the new found horrors of the Deep State.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:46:13am

re: #378 Belafon

I wouldn’t go quite that far. I could see Sanders reestablishing the civil rights division of the DOJ. I just don’t see an policy initiatives that would address matters of race and women’s rights independent of economic policy.

Agreed.

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jeffreyw  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:46:36am

re: #367 Belafon

Elon Musk is the man we need on the rockets when the moon breaks apart.

Will there be a contest to fill the cadre of Eves that he will need?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:46:57am

re: #379 Sir John Barron

Oh, joy, Dan Bongino has a new “book” out, something about the Deep State “sabotaging” DJT. Which will make it about the eleventieth wingnut book about the new found horrors of the Deep State.

I can get toilet paper for cheaper. I’m sure Bongino will have a “reader” tho.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:47:30am

re: #378 Belafon

I wouldn’t go quite that far. I could see Sanders reestablishing the civil rights division of the DOJ. I just don’t see an policy initiatives that would address matters of race and women’s rights independent of economic policy.

I agree with you that, unlike Trump, Sanders isn’t hostile to the rights of minorities or women; he is just indifferent.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:49:37am

re: #383 Hecuba’s daughter

I agree with you that, unlike Trump, Sanders isn’t hostile to the rights of minorities or women; he is just indifferent.

Which is just as bad in itself. If Roe or Obergefell we’re overturned, I think he would be critical but wouldn’t push for federal abortion rights or SSM in Congress.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:49:51am

re: #366 ObserverArt

I told him [Schultz] is using the word “free” as a scare tactic to other rich people and he is nothing but a vote taker that will bring us Trump again.

A scare word to convince us that Democrats are just Socialists in wolf’s clothing out to take away your hard-earned profits and redistribute them to the undeserving.

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retired cynic  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:55:26am

WaPo says that the Koch brothers have set up a new organization to redo education in the US “to find a better way.”

washingtonpost.com

The Koch team is modeling its amped-up education efforts on its successful overhaul of the criminal justice system, which began in friendly states before moving to the federal level. In that case, Koch World sought out unlikely allies and played the long game for years before any big legislation passed.

Why am I nervous?

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:56:35am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Which is just as bad in itself. If Roe or Obergefell we’re overturned, I think he would be critical but wouldn’t push for federal abortion rights or SSM in Congress.

It would definitely be up to Congress to get it done.

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:56:49am

re: #385 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A scare word to convince us that Democrats are just Socialists in wolf’s clothing out to take away your hard-earned profits and redistribute them to the undeserving black/brown/red/yellow people.

FTFY.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:57:23am

re: #387 Belafon

It would definitely be up to Congress to get it done.

It would but we would need executive leadership on that too.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:57:33am

re: #378 Belafon

I wouldn’t go quite that far. I could see Sanders reestablishing the civil rights division of the DOJ. I just don’t see an policy initiatives that would address matters of race and women’s rights independent of economic policy.

Because they are not. Every part of a system is dependant on every part of the system.

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Brian J.  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:58:47am

re: #321 Mike Lamb

Who knew Brian J was a congressperson?

Hardy har har. So I take it you were in support of extending the shutdown, as Ocasio repeatedly voted to do, unlike every other House Democrat?

There are a lot of Democrats who are proceeding under the belief that the internet left is a majority or near-majority of the party. They’re going to be really disappointed, as nearly all of them were in 2018, to find that the Democrats need moderate suburbanites for a majority at any level, and scaring them off is politically suicidal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:59:35am

re: #390 Decatur Deb

Because they are not. Every part of a system is dependant on every part of the system.

Yes, but Bernie tends to see those social issues as dependent on economic policy alone and not as issues to be addressed outright, at least with any great emphasis.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 9:59:50am

re: #386 retired cynic

WaPo says that the Koch brothers have set up a new organization to redo education in the US “to find a better way.”

washingtonpost.com

Why am I nervous?

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Brian J.  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:00:52am

re: #367 Belafon

Elon Musk is the man we need on the rockets when the moon breaks apart.

Elon’s run out of tricks. Tesla’s a Chapter 7 waiting to happen because of Musk’s corner-cutting and financial chicanery, and his stunts are crippling SpaceX (you have been following the strange, sad saga of the Water Tower Hopper in Texas, right?)

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:02:25am

re: #392 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, but Bernie tends to see those social issues as dependent on economic policy alone and not as issues to be addressed outright, at least with any great emphasis.

Then he would make a very poor anthropologist, as well as a poor president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:03:19am

re: #395 Decatur Deb

Then he would make a very poor anthropologist, as well as a poor president.

You sum it up well. Economics are important, all other things being equal, things would sort themselves out

but they are not equal and that is the point

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:03:53am

Economics matter but they don’t explain everything.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:05:02am

The problem with Bernie and many I see with his economic vision is they think you’ll get rid of socioeconomic problems through their programs and I don’t see any evidence of that.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:05:08am

re: #360 Hecuba’s daughter

That’s because Trump was not the CEO of a legitimate organization; it was a family-owned real estate firm that engaged in criminal activities during its entire existence, including dealings with the mob (traditional and Russian). It is tiresome that the wealthy can engage in such behavior without repercussions; there should be a special division of the Justice Department devoted to investigating and bringing to justice those who engage in this widespread flouting of the law.

The DOJ does have a white collar crime division though. It’s the Fraud Division. As with most things, it’s underfunded compared with other crime areas.

Under Trump, the DOJ has shifted focus away from right wing domestic terrorism, civil rights enforcement, etc., to focus on undocumented persons.

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Jay C  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:06:04am

re: #394 Brian J.

(you have been following the strange, sad saga of the Water Tower Hopper in Texas, right?)

Wut?
Link, please?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:06:31am

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Economics matter but they don’t explain everything.

Nothing explains everything, and nothing has one explanation.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:06:38am

re: #399 lawhawk

The DOJ does have a white collar crime division though. It’s the Fraud Division. As with most things, it’s underfunded compared with other crime areas.

Under Trump, the DOJ has shifted focus away from right wing domestic terrorism, civil rights enforcement, etc., to focus on undocumented persons.

Speaking of domestic terrorism, more MAGAs attacked an actor for having the wrong skin color and sexual orientation.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:07:52am

re: #401 Decatur Deb

Nothing explains everything, and nothing has one explanation.

Precisely.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:08:20am

re: #402 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of domestic terrorism, more MAGAs attacked an actor for having the wrong skin color and sexual orientation.

Hmmm, he must have done something to provoke them to defend themselves

/

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:08:38am

re: #391 Brian J.

Hardy har har. So I take it you were in support of extending the shutdown, as Ocasio repeatedly voted to do, unlike every other House Democrat?

There are a lot of Democrats who are proceeding under the belief that the internet left is a majority or near-majority of the party. They’re going to be really disappointed, as nearly all of them were in 2018, to find that the Democrats need moderate suburbanites for a majority at any level, and scaring them off is politically suicidal.

Too many of those on the left think that the 2018 victory was attributable solely to very progressive Dems and ignored the moderates who contributed to the victory. We need all sides — progressives and moderates — to work together to defeat the GOP. It was really annoying today to read another FB poster calling Kamala a Clintonite corporate shill.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:10:07am

re: #405 Hecuba’s daughter

Too many of those on the left think that the 2018 victory was attributable solely to very progressive Dems and ignored the moderates who contributed to the victory. We need all sides — progressives and moderates — to work together to defeat the GOP. It was really annoying today to read another FB poster calling Kamala a Clintonite corporate shill.

It was attributable to a strong turnout, which involves everybody.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:10:52am

re: #405 Hecuba’s daughter

Too many of those on the left think that the 2018 victory was attributable solely to very progressive Dems and ignored the moderates who contributed to the victory. We need all sides — progressives and moderates — to work together to defeat the GOP. It was really annoying today to read another FB poster calling Kamala a Clintonite corporate shill.

What is nice though is these moderates are different than the Blue Dogs.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:12:05am

re: #402 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of domestic terrorism, more MAGAs attacked an actor for having the wrong skin color and sexual orientation.

I really hate the way Trump has emboldened these people.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:12:33am

re: #406 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was attributable to a strong turnout, which involves everybody.

Unfortunately, courtesy of Republican led voter disenfranchisement — it doesn’t involve everybody.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:12:53am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

What is nice though is these moderates are different than the Blue Dogs.

Insomuch as they’re actual moderate Democrats. Blue Dogs and the DLC types were the actual ‘Republican Lite’ types that lefter-than-thou types want to tar liberal Dems as, and those haven’t existed as an actual influence in the Dem party since they were all but wiped in ‘10 after the brilliant idea to run the fuck away from Obama post ACA.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:13:07am

re: #401 Decatur Deb

Nothing explains everything, and nothing has one explanation.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:13:09am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

I really hate the way Trump has emboldened these people.

It’s the worst thing about his rise. They know they have a champion in the WH. If not Trump himself, certainly Miller.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:13:15am

re: #404 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hmmm, he must have done something to provoke them to defend themselves

/

He aggressively existed while being black and gay.//

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:13:33am

re: #391 Brian J.

Hardy har har. So I take it you were in support of extending the shutdown, as Ocasio repeatedly voted to do, unlike every other House Democrat?

There are a lot of Democrats who are proceeding under the belief that the internet left is a majority or near-majority of the party. They’re going to be really disappointed, as nearly all of them were in 2018, to find that the Democrats need moderate suburbanites for a majority at any level, and scaring them off is politically suicidal.

All that really matters is what her constituents think. I personally believe having some voices like hers is absolutely critical for the party.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:14:09am

re: #410 Citizen K

Insomuch as they’re actual moderate Democrats. Blue Dogs and the DLC types were the actual ‘Republican Lite’ types that lefter-than-thou types want to tar liberal Dems as, and those haven’t existed as an actual influence in the Dem party since they were all but wiped in ‘10 after the brilliant idea to run the fuck away from Obama post ACA.

Right. My Congresswoman will be to AOC’s center no doubt but she’s not going to actively sabotage progressive legislation either.

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lawhawk  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:14:41am
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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:16:44am

re: #411 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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Sure, if you like being part of an intergalactic off-ramp.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:17:37am

re: #414 Mike Lamb

All that really matters is what her constituents think. I personally believe having some voices like hers is absolutely critical for the party.

Joe Crowley was a perfectly fine representative but it is AOC who personally is moving the Overton window to the left and that is invaluable to our nation.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:18:17am

re: #418 Hecuba’s daughter

I wonder how many future AOCs are in our high schools and colleges right now?

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:19:01am

re: #416 lawhawk

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“Welcome to the Chernobyl-ri power facility. No, you won’t be needing dosimeters for this tour.”

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:19:14am

re: #414 Mike Lamb

All that really matters is what her constituents think. I personally believe having some voices like hers is absolutely critical for the party.

It’s important to know why she voted as she did as well, which was as a protest against ICE/CBP funding. In the context of why the shutdown was occurring to begin with, it makes some sense, and didn’t impact the total tally much as it was.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:19:18am

re: #418 Hecuba’s daughter

Joe Crowley was a perfectly fine representative but it is AOC who personally is moving the Overton window to the left and that is invaluable to our nation.

Which means that when the Democrats pass a 50% tax rate, it will be seen as a reasonable and moderate approach (which it is)

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Sea Mexican  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:21:23am

re: #391 Brian J.

Hardy har har. So I take it you were in support of extending the shutdown, as Ocasio repeatedly voted to do, unlike every other House Democrat?

There are a lot of Democrats who are proceeding under the belief that the internet left is a majority or near-majority of the party. They’re going to be really disappointed, as nearly all of them were in 2018, to find that the Democrats need moderate suburbanites for a majority at any level, and scaring them off is politically suicidal.

Politically calculated vote. The Dems already had the votes necessary to pass the bill, so some dissent can be allowed for pet issues. AOC had voted previously with the rest of the Dems, until the last vote. It’s no different to what Obama did while he was a Senator.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:21:30am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how many future AOCs are in our high schools and colleges right now?

There are others in the Dem class of 2018 who will be making similar impacts.

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DodgerFan1988  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:21:35am

re: #402 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speaking of domestic terrorism, more MAGAs attacked an actor for having the wrong skin color and sexual orientation.

Just waiting for Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren, and company to say it’s a hoax; Jussie Smollett faked it for sympathy and “the liberal media jumped the gun again.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:22:38am

re: #423 Sea Mexican

Politically calculated vote. The Dems already had the votes necessary to pass the bill, so some dissent can be allowed for pet issues. AOC had voted previously with the rest of the Dems, until the last vote. It’s no different to what Obama did while he was a Senator.

She is going to have her every vote and speech picked apart from the very beginning, which Obama was spared…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:23:23am

re: #425 DodgerFan1988

Just waiting for Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren, and company to say it’s a hoax; Jussie Smollett faked it for sympathy and “the liberal media jumped the gun again.”

false flag emboldened by the Covington kids videos

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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:26:30am

re: #391 Brian J.

Hardy har har. So I take it you were in support of extending the shutdown, as Ocasio repeatedly voted to do, unlike every other House Democrat?

There are a lot of Democrats who are proceeding under the belief that the internet left is a majority or near-majority of the party. They’re going to be really disappointed, as nearly all of them were in 2018, to find that the Democrats need moderate suburbanites for a majority at any level, and scaring them off is politically suicidal.

We need them all. Period.

The Democratic party has long had people of all political stripes in it. From centrist moderate to Democratic socialists. That is what made the party strong.

Do you give any credit to her for her already shaking up talk about the income tax systems? That is important work and we need someone to take up that flag and take the static that comes with it.

I like the use of “nearly” in your comment. I guess that covers Alexandria. Apparently she struck a pretty good note with the people in her district.

Another thing, are you going to let her grow or are you going to continue to pigeon hole her?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:28:27am

re: #428 ObserverArt

Another thing, are you going to let her grow or are you going to continue to pigeon hole her?

People let their view of events be guided by their own narrative and prejudices.

So she will continue to be seen as that Woman Coming to Take Away your Hard-Earned Millions…

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:30:10am

re: #418 Hecuba’s daughter

Joe Crowley was a perfectly fine representative but it is AOC who personally is moving the Overton window to the left and that is invaluable to our nation.

Crowley took his renomination for granted. I’m not familiar with him and I’m sure he’s a fine guy but this happens. I think AOC adds a lot to the party. And I think she is far more pragmatic than people want to give her credit for. She dreams big yes but she’s more big picture than given credit for.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:31:52am

re: #425 DodgerFan1988

Just waiting for Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Tomi Lahren, and company to say it’s a hoax; Jussie Smollett faked it for sympathy and “the liberal media jumped the gun again.”

Now there’s a name I’m thankful to not have heard from in low these many months.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:32:09am
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ObserverArt  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:32:32am

re: #419 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how many future AOCs are in our high schools and colleges right now?

Well, a lot of them are on the internet.

So…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:32:35am

re: #430 HappyWarrior

Crowley took his renomination for granted. I’m not familiar with him and I’m sure he’s a fine guy but this happens. I think AOC adds a lot to the party. And I think she is far more pragmatic than people want to give her credit for. She dreams big yes but she’s more big picture than given credit for.

She gets a lot of people really worked up without having to say a word: she is ethnic, urban, educated and rather attractive, and nothing gets those sad MRA wankers more up set than a young woman who gives them a boner, but one that they cannot dominate by physical force, social status or offers of money.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:32:58am

re: #373 William Lewis

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:33:05am

re: #431 Sir John Barron

Now there’s a name I’m thankful to not have heard from in low these many months.

Let’s hope it stays that way. But yeah I haven’t either. Mostly because my one friend realized that the wingnut propaganda he posted wasn’t getting through to anyone.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:34:03am

re: #432 Scottish Dragon

I’ll bet Howard Schultz $10,000 right now that he can’t succeed. What’s more American than betting?

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:34:12am

re: #434 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

She gets a lot of people really worked up without having to say a word: she is ethnic, urban, educated and rather attractive, and nothing gets those sad MRA wankers more up set than a young woman who gives them a boner, but one that they cannot dominate by physical force,
social status or offers of money.

Oh absolutely. But I’m talking about what she brings to the table. With all respect to Crowley, there are a bunch of guys like him in our party elected officials already but there weren’t a lot of AOCs and we need more people like her.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:34:58am

And let’s make that bet pay off proportionally to our relative wealth.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:35:23am

re: #437 jaunte

Doctoring a horse?

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:36:10am

re: #440 Decatur Deb

I got the stuff right here
His name is Paul Revere

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:46:54am

re: #435 Decatur Deb

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:50:24am

re: #442 William Lewis

He’ll inspire more songs than Trump.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:53:51am

re: #438 HappyWarrior

Oh absolutely. But I’m talking about what she brings to the table. With all respect to Crowley, there are a bunch of guys like him in our party elected officials already but there weren’t a lot of AOCs and we need more people like her.

The GOP supporters were far move effective than Dems in their Internet voices, which have overwhelmed more traditional forms of communication/propaganda. At least now finally, there is someone on our side who can match them and very effectively!

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:57:22am
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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:58:18am

Someone over at DK made an interesting point about the “anonymous source” that said Democrats should find a primary challenger for AOC: One of the people that came out against Pelosi as Speaker is from one of AOC’s neighboring districts. I can’t think of her name, but I do remember calls for her to get a primary challenger in 2020.

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Charles Johnson  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:58:20am

Make sure to look at the full image in the above tweet. I wasn’t writing about Ed Markey.

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jaunte  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:58:53am

Lowly Minions of the Satanic Cabal

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:59:00am

re: #421 Citizen K

It’s important to know why she voted as she did as well, which was as a protest against ICE/CBP funding. In the context of why the shutdown was occurring to begin with, it makes some sense, and didn’t impact the total tally much as it was.

and she has not been “repeatedly” voting against ending the shutdown.
It was just that one vote because it included ICE funding, which her constituency is against.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 10:59:35am

re: #448 jaunte

Lowly Minions of the Satanic Cabal

GREAT band name!

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:00:22am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

and she has not been “repeatedly” voting against ending the shutdown.
It was just that one vote because it included ICE funding, which her constituency is against.

Yes, that too.

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CongoJack  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:02:11am

I believe we need to ask ourselves. Why not President Pelosi?

She’d be in my top tier, easily.

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Ferdinand  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:02:48am

re: #450 Eclectic Cyborg

GREAT band name!

My wife and I keep a shared list in our phones for all the great random phrases we come across that would make great band names. I figure someday one of us can use them in a fiction project or something.

Just added “Plasmatic Alcatraz” this morning, while watching an episode of Dirty Jobs about locomotive factories.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:03:53am

re: #452 CongoJack

I believe we need to ask ourselves. Why not President Pelosi?

She’d be in my top tier, easily.

Because Speaker Pelosi is where she needs to be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:05:34am

re: #454 Belafon

Because Speaker Pelosi is where she needs to be.

It was mentioned upthread that might be the optimum spot for AOC when Nancy retires…

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:05:48am

It always amazes me when the “Billionaires against fair Taxes” runs their candidates (Perot then or Schults now) that they seem genuinely amazed when people don’t bow down to their saviors.

Deficit! “Can’t afford that” (why do I imagine “wouldn’t be prudent” after that?) Bull! But he’s more terrified of real taxes than all the other damage Trump is doing.

Raise taxes, decrease military spending (6 carriers instead of 11 and it’s still more than any several nations combined) and it’ll be amazing what we can afford again.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:07:08am

re: #451 Citizen K

Yes, that too.

Brian just likes to stop by now and again to drop turdbombs about AOC, even if he has to make things up (like the “repeatedly voted” thing).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:07:10am

re: #456 William Lewis

Raise taxes, decrease military spending (6 carriers instead of 11 and it’s still more than any several nations combined) and it’ll be amazing what we can afford again.

close loopholes and round up the money that is owed

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:08:25am

re: #455 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was mentioned upthread that might be the optimum spot for AOC when Nancy retires…

We saw what happened when Qui-Gon Jinn died before he properly trained Obiwan (yep, I partially blame him for Darth Vader). Let’s not make that mistake.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:09:08am

Speaking of taxes, just now realizing I can’t deduct my home equity loan interest. I took out the loan this year.

It appears that the interest, or a portion, can only be deducted if some rebuilding or upgrade of the house has been initiated. I haven’t looked into all the rules yet.

Oh well.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:09:17am

re: #456 William Lewis

It always amazes me when the “Billionaires against fair Taxes” runs their candidates (Perot then or Schults now) that they seem genuinely amazed when people don’t bow down to their saviors.

Deficit! “Can’t afford that” (why do I imagine “wouldn’t be prudent” after that?) Bull! But he’s more terrified of real taxes than all the other damage Trump is doing.

Raise taxes, decrease military spending (6 carriers instead of 11 and it’s still more than any several nations combined) and it’ll be amazing what we can afford again.

Prepare for the possible future wars rather than the last one.

Edited

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:09:26am

re: #459 Belafon

We saw what happened when Qui-Gon Jinn died before he properly trained Obiwan (yep, I partially blame him for Darth Vader). Let’s not make that mistake.

I gave up on that franchise after the original, so the analogy is lost on me

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:10:19am

re: #461 Belafon

Fight the possible future wars rather than the last one.

many leaders in the military are aware of the need for alternate sources of energy and of the threat of climate change but are not allowed to act on it

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:11:51am

JFC

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:11:57am

re: #461 Belafon

Fight the possible future wars rather than the last one.

It would be amazing if we ever did that but I do not know of a single time in our history where we were ready for anything but the previous war. Occasionally we get lucky (the Spanish in 1898 and Iraq were both unprepared as well) but usually it’s more like Bull Run or Task Force Smith.

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Mike Lamb  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:12:04am

re: #448 jaunte

Lowly Minions of the Satanic Cabal

Dibs on band name.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:12:11am

re: #463 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

many leaders in the military are aware of the need for alternate sources of energy and of the threat of climate change but are not allowed to act on it

USAF flew a bomber on biofuel about 15 years ago.

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Sir John Barron  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:12:58am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Not a cult no cult your the cult

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:13:17am

my congresscritter sounds worried…inquiring minds wonder why?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:13:47am

re: #467 Decatur Deb

USAF flew a bomber on biofuel about 15 years ago.

And Congress passed a law banning further use of biofuel because it was “too expensive” or some claptrap.

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Belafon  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:14:10am

re: #462 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I gave up on that franchise after the original, so the analogy is lost on me

Obiwan, in those movies, was very impatient, and got onto Anakin for a lot of things where he should have taught him. And that was because he was made a Jedi master after Qui-Gon Jinn died, who was his master. Qui-Gon was still working on teaching patience to his pupil.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:14:53am

re: #402 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Barbarian dirtbags.

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Scottish Dragon  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:15:42am

re: #445 Charles Johnson

I COULDN’T RESIST….

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:16:20am

re: #408 Eclectic Cyborg

That was his implicit promise from the very beginning of his campaign.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:16:43am

re: #470 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And Congress passed a law banning further use of biofuel because it was “too expensive” or some claptrap.

It was too expensive, but it was a demonstration effort. At about the same time Aberdeen Proving Ground demonstrated an electric HMMWV to a congressional delegation by sneaking up behind them.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:18:08am

re: #471 Belafon

Obiwan, in those movies, was very impatient, and got onto Anakin for a lot of things where he should have taught him. And that was because he was made a Jedi master after Qui-Gon Jinn died, who was his master. Qui-Gon was still working on teaching patience to his pupil.

He was Luke’s father, right?

(duck)

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:18:50am

re: #475 Decatur Deb

It was to expensive, but it was a demonstration effort. At about the same time Aberdeen Proving Ground demonstrated an electric HMMWV to a congressional delegation by sneaking up behind them.

That would be a great place - the HMMWV - for hybrid tech. A Prius in place of every Hummer!

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:19:26am

re: #476 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He was Luke’s father, right?

(duck)

Would have made MUCH more sense.

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Citizen K  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:19:26am

re: #474 Romantic Heretic

That was his implicit promise from the very beginning of his campaign.

Not terribly ‘implicit’. He was encouraging violence at his rallies after all, and seemed to be especially vicious when the people being attacked (verbally AND physically) were brown.

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Jay C  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:19:34am

re: #455 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

re: #454 Belafon

Because Speaker Pelosi is where she needs to be.

It was mentioned upthread that might be the optimum spot for AOC when Nancy retires…

Not really. Nancy Pelosi has said that she will retire, presumably not running for reelection, after the 2022 elections; so even assuming (a good bet, IMO) that AOC will also be back in Congress, she will still only be starting her third term in the House (and still not be eligible for the Presidency!) And like it or not, the seniority system still holds sway in Congress: vaulting from “sophomore” status to the Speakership seems like a fairly unreasonable goal. For now. However, some other leadership position (like Dem Whip, say)? Quite doable…

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:20:40am

re: #480 Jay C

. However, some other leadership position (like Dem Whip, say)? Quite doable

This.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:23:24am

re: #477 William Lewis

That would be a great place - the HMMWV - for hybrid tech. A Prius in place of every Hummer!

Memory is fuzzy, but I think it was pure battery, hybridized by towing a generator trailer (at least on the drawing board).

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Old Liberal  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:23:32am

re: #334 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is being sent forth to tell us that Democrats want to turn us into Venezuela (our soon-to-be arch enemy)

I’m interested to learn what “free jobs” are

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Hecuba's daughter  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:25:22am

re: #473 Scottish Dragon

I COULDN’T RESIST….

[Embedded content]

Hey — are you forgetting Cthulhu? He’s been a perennial candidate for President.

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Romantic Heretic  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:25:49am

re: #469 Backwoods_Sleuth

Rep. Massey? This is a problem, why?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:26:43am

re: #485 Romantic Heretic

Rep. Massey? This is a problem, why?

He is a Ron/Rand Paul Libertarian

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makeitstop  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:27:06am

re: #448 jaunte

Lowly Minions of the Satanic Cabal

My new band name!

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William Lewis  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:27:10am

re: #483 Old Liberal

I’m interested to learn what “free jobs” are

All the CEO, CFO, etc positions that will be available after Mme Guillotine gets done with her haircuts? < whistles innocently >

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:30:09am

re: #452 CongoJack

[Embedded content]

I believe we need to ask ourselves. Why not President Pelosi?

She’d be in my top tier, easily.

it’s a dream but only that

‘san francisco liberal’ she’s probably the second best hated dem woman (by the right) that there is. the target on her would be as big as hillary’s. also

- she’s way too old
- she doesn’t do retail politics well - not a great public speaker, not a great debater, doesnt connect well in smaller groups or in person

- she’s exactly where she ought to be - mistress parliamentarian

(observations, not accusations)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:32:17am

re: #448 jaunte

Lowly Minions of the Satanic Cabal

That Russian troll shows a bit of creativity!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:34:26am

In line with the government alternative fuel reminiscing
The US Navy’s Great Green Fleet

And a little more from the US Navy (in 2016): The Great Green Fleet Explained

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:44:06am

re: #459 Belafon

We saw what happened when Qui-Gon Jinn died before he properly trained Obiwan (yep, I partially blame him for Darth Vader). Let’s not make that mistake.

Ah, but Qui-Gon told Yoda about Kenobi: “He has much to learn of the living force but there is little more he can learn from me” implying that Kenobi did indeed need more training, but someone besides Qui-Gon would have to give it to him.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:50:07am

re: #480 Jay C

Not really. Nancy Pelosi has said that she will retire, presumably not running for reelection, after the 2022 elections; so even assuming (a good bet, IMO) that AOC will also be back in Congress, she will still only be starting her third term in the House (and still not be eligible for the Presidency!) And like it or not, the seniority system still holds sway in Congress: vaulting from “sophomore” status to the Speakership seems like a fairly unreasonable goal. For now. However, some other leadership position (like Dem Whip, say)? Quite doable…

AOC should at least head a committee before she gets talked about for Speaker. She could be speaker but it won’t be for another 10-20 years. I like her a lot but let’s not get carried away. She’s a legit rising star but we shouldn’t rush her when she’s still fresh.

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HappyWarrior  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:51:09am

re: #489 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

it’s a dream but only that

‘san francisco liberal’ she’s probably the second best hated dem woman (by the right) that there is. the target on her would be as big as hillary’s. also

- she’s way too old
- she doesn’t do retail politics well - not a great public speaker, not a great debater, doesnt connect well in smaller groups or in person

- she’s exactly where she ought to be - mistress parliamentarian

(observations, not accusations)

Her strengths are perfect for where she is at the moment.

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Decatur Deb  Jan 29, 2019 • 11:52:47am

re: #491 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

In line with the government alternative fuel reminiscing
The US Navy’s Great Green Fleet

And a little more from the US Navy (in 2016): The Great Green Fleet Explained

They could have afforded a better acronym than “ECM”(Energy Conservation Measure).
It’s taken.


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Feel It Still - Portugal the Man (’60s ‘Mr. Postman’ Style Cover) Ft. Joey, Adanna, Nina Ann Get the song: smarturl.it | Subscribe: bit.ly 2019 World Tour Tix: pmjtour.com | Our first video of 2019 stars Joey Cook, Adanna Duru & Nina Ann (in her PMJ debut!) in a "Mr. Postman" inspired take on "Feel It ...
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