Andy Timmons Shows How It’s Done: “On Your Way Sweet Soul”

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“On Your Way Sweet Soul” from the ATB record “Theme From Perfect World”. Now available fully transcribed with over an hour of tutorial from me explaining every note and nuance. Go to guitarxperience.net for more details. Really love how my new signature guitar sounds on this! Ibanez ATZ-100

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ckkatz  Feb 2, 2019 • 8:48:45pm

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Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2019 • 8:58:38pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:08:44pm

The more things change, the more they remain the same…

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teleskiguy  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:12:15pm

re: #1 ckkatz

YOINK!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:15:12pm

re: #4 teleskiguy

YOINK!

Beat me by two minutes, bro.

Enjoy it!

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:16:55pm

From the previous thread:

re: #276 ckkatz

For me, as a Virginia voter, the Northam fiasco has brought up a number of issues that I am currently wrestling with.

1. When is political redemption possible?
2. When is nullifying someone’s vote wrong?
3. What are the implications and consequences of nullifying someone’s vote?
4. Is ‘purity’ involved in this? And if so, at what point is seeking purity wrong?
5. Who gets to decide on who holds an office beyond his voters?
6. When is it better to lose an election rather than compromise on one’s values?
7. There are multiple threads of loyalty involved. Which loyalties are more important than others? How do you decide?

I’m going to answer some of the questions with one statement.

The Democratic party is representative of a whole lot of different people, one group of which is the African American community. They have had to deal with a lot, but have consistently supported Democrats. In return, I think it’s the right thing for Democrats to take their concerns in any decisions we make. And Democrats can’t win without African Americans.

In an ideal world, both parties and the media would be trying to figure out how to finally deal with our dark history. Instead, though, we have a racist party that none-the-less thinks it can be the arbiter of who is racist, and a media that needs a story about Democrats so that they can feel balanced. So Democrats are left with doing the right thing and getting punished for it. But, even though I also struggle with where do we stop, it’s far better for us to be trying than not.

I wonder if it might not be a good idea for the Democratic party to have it’s own truth-and-reconciliation. Kind of a “let’s get everything out on the table, but if you do it now, we will discuss it.” I had to do something like that when my oldest was younger. He’d dug himself a deep enough hole that attempting to get out was actually making it worse. So we did a reset-with-responsibilities, which gave him a chance to come clean, but the consequences came as a one-shot deal rather than a response to an escalating set of circumstances.

And when the media and GOP start doing their crap we can go “The adults are talking, run along.”

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:26:33pm

Now for something cute:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:38:14pm

Tweets from yesterday
unbelievable

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:42:41pm

Ben ain’t gettin’ any love:

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ckkatz  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:44:45pm

I agree with what you wrote. You make some important points.

Let preface my remarks that I suspect Northam is toast at this point.

I very much agree with your approach, that it is in the best interests of any candidate to excellent opposition research and bring out any skeletons well before the election. Whether through a formal process or as a part of pre-election “feasibility work”. The truth and reconciliation process is a good model.

Since new candidates are always being recruited and ‘offenses’ are not fixed in time or specifics, it would probably need to be on-going. I agree that this is the point of failure for Northam.

I agree with you that a good, honest and transparent methodology for dealing with these issues, provides the Democratic Party the best chance to tell the Republicans to stfu.

You wisely remained silent on this issue, but I admit that I am not sure that summary execution of a politician’s career is always the best, or only way to handle failures.

I do think that the voters need to somehow be involved. It was their votes that elected the politician. And those calling for the removal need to make a convincing case to the voters on why their vote is being discarded. Particularly if there is any interest in the voters continuing to support the organization who removed their choice.

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Belafon  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:45:01pm

Which is the same pattern when a gunman is found to be a Democrat.

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Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2019 • 9:53:43pm

In 24 hours, I went from “Northam fucked up, but he deserves a second chance” to “SOMEBODY GET THIS ASSHOLE OFF THE STAGE!”

It’s not often you see a political self-immolation, but they are always a spectacle when they happen.

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mmmirele  Feb 2, 2019 • 10:02:38pm

re: #9 Belafon

Ben ain’t gettin’ any love:

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Blergh. I frankly hate GCU. It claims to be Christian, but it’s Evangelical/Fundamentalist. I know people who can’t teach there because they happen to be United Church of Christ ministers, actually have Serious Doctorates and have this bad habit of telling the students stuff they’d never learn at a Fundie U. Plus they have some sort of legal dodge going where they’re non-profit being run by a for-profit. Not impressed whatsoever. But I did get amused at all the butthurt people crying about how they couldn’t hear Ben Shapiro.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 2, 2019 • 10:04:05pm

re: #9 Belafon

Ben ain’t gettin’ any love:

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He’s getting plenty of love from those commenting on the post. But then what do you expect from people who follow Charles Kirk and Candace Owens, as well as Ben.

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freetoken  Feb 2, 2019 • 10:48:35pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 2, 2019 • 10:58:53pm

Mutual is always better…….

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Targetpractice  Feb 2, 2019 • 11:05:08pm

re: #16 Dave In Austin

Mutual is always better…….

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Damn you, Poe’s law!

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 2, 2019 • 11:47:30pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 2, 2019 • 11:54:18pm

re: #18 Single-handed sailor

This suggests something is coming down soon from some investigation about emoluments or his deals with Russians.

“Well, yes, we *were* in negotiations with Russians about Trump Tower Moscow, but those Russians were businessmen and not at all connected to the government!”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:03:31am

How is this not satire?

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:07:32am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:18:35am

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Technology is inherently masculine. I know. I can feel it. Every time I flip a light switch, I get a little weak in knees, and I whisper, to myself, ‘Thank you, men.’

Either satire or she has been well indoctrinated.

It is good to be grateful for the things people have done for us. And also to be grateful for the love and life that women have brought into the world. Our technology pales in comparison.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:25:25am

re: #19 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

“Well, yes, we *were* in negotiations with Russians about Trump Tower Moscow, but those Russians were businessmen and not at all connected to the government!”

Because anybody can just build a skyscraper in Moscow without any government approval or involvement.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:29:41am

Been poking into the QuadrigaCX cryptocurrency exchange debacle, and found a subreddit about it. One redditor has posted what he believes are funds moving out of the exchange’s cold storage, even though the passcodes to those accounts are supposedly lost forever. Another says he was a former employee of QuadrigaCX and alleges that the now-deceased CEO was using the money users had sent the exchange to speculate on bitcoin, rather than keeping it in the bank. He says the CEO expected the bitcoin markets to become bullish once again, so he could profit off the speculation and still return the funds he “borrowed.” Trouble is, it’s been a bear market for the past year.

Another redditor questions whether the CEO really is dead, because it’s apparently easy to buy a fake death certificate in India, the CEO’s last known location.

I’m now leaning toward an exit scam, and not financial ineptitude.

If you’re curious, here’s the subreddit. reddit.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:30:14am

US fake university: India anger after students arrested

India has made a diplomatic protest to the US after 129 Indian students were arrested for enrolling in a fake university.

The University of Farmington, advertised as based in Michigan state, was run by undercover agents from the Department of Homeland Security to expose “pay-to-stay” immigration fraud.

Prosecutors say those who enrolled knew that the facility would be illegal.

However, Indian officials say the students may have been duped.

On the one hand, I understand why they might want to do this.

On the other hand, we have a President and a Secretary of Education who were or are heavily into the Diploma Mill business…

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ericblair  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:32:12am

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

How is this not satire?

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Say hello to the inventor of frequency hopping secure wireless communications:

Hedey Lamarr, not male
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:37:49am

re: #26 ericblair

Say hello to the inventor of frequency hopping secure wireless communications:

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I remember Henry Kissinger talking about using one of these scrambler phones from his hotel room in Moscow. The Russians couldn’t get anything out of tapping his line, but he thought having to scream into it at the top of his lungs kind of defeated the purpose….

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:47:11am

re: #24 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And it seems people thought there was something fishy about the Quadriga exchange several months ago. coiniq.com

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ericblair  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:48:01am

re: #27 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I remember Henry Kissinger talking about using one of these scrambler phones from his hotel room in Moscow. The Russians couldn’t get anything out of tapping his line, but he thought having to scream into it at the top of his lungs kind of defeated the purpose….

Yes, sort of like triple locking the front door and leaving the garage open.

Frequency hopping is used quite a lot in military comms to prevent hostile jamming. It can also make a signal almost impossible to detect, as the signal can weaker than the natural background noise and still be received correctly.

3G cellular as well (but not 4G), and Bluetooth are based on frequency hopping. These can be jammed because everyone knows their hopping codes, but helps the radios deal with interference problems.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:53:54am

re: #26 ericblair

Say hello to the inventor of frequency hopping secure wireless communications:

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It’s Hedley! Blazing Saddles

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:58:28am

re: #29 ericblair

Yes, sort of like triple locking the front door and leaving the garage open.

Frequency hopping is used quite a lot in military comms to prevent hostile jamming. It can also make a signal almost impossible to detect, as the signal can weaker than the natural background noise and still be received correctly.

3G cellular as well (but not 4G), and Bluetooth are based on frequency hopping. These can be jammed because everyone knows their hopping codes, but helps the radios deal with interference problems.

Oh, the technology is much better than it was 50 years ago. All cell phones use it, and you don’t have to raise your voice. In fact, I’m always having to tell people to speak more softly because their voice is distorted from the amplifier clipping.

As for being impossible to detect, you know the old saying: “Any sufficiently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise.” People need to think about that when they talk about eavesdropping on alien signals. After having radio for barely a century, they couldn’t get anything out of our signals.

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Targetpractice  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:27:23am
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:38:05am

time.com

In the wake of President Donald Trump’s renewed attacks on the U.S. intelligence community this week, senior intelligence briefers are breaking two years of silence to warn that the President is endangering American security with what they say is a stubborn disregard for their assessments.

Citing multiple in-person episodes, these intelligence officials say Trump displays what one called “willful ignorance” when presented with analyses generated by America’s $81 billion-a-year intelligence services. The officials, who include analysts who prepare Trump’s briefs and the briefers themselves, describe futile attempts to keep his attention by using visual aids, confining some briefing points to two or three sentences, and repeating his name and title as frequently as possible.

What is most troubling, say these officials and others in government and on Capitol Hill who have been briefed on the episodes, are Trump’s angry reactions when he is given information that contradicts positions he has taken or beliefs he holds. Two intelligence officers even reported that they have been warned to avoid giving the President intelligence assessments that contradict stances he has taken in public……

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:43:25am

re: #33 Barefoot Grin

so we have now reached the “kill the messenger who brings bad news” stage of governance

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ericblair  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:44:45am

re: #31 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

As for being impossible to detect, you know the old saying: “Any sufficiently advanced communication is indistinguishable from noise.” People need to think about that when they talk about eavesdropping on alien signals. After having radio for barely a century, they couldn’t get anything out of our signals.

This is true: by information theory, a signal with maximum information throughput is going to look like white noise. And, of course, any signal that is received by an unintended recipient is wasted energy. So, if aliens are in any way efficient, we won’t notice their communications. Of course, given the amount of power that these sorts of space-capable civilizations would need to operate at any reasonable level, they may have access to powerful energy sources and not give a shit about wasting it.

I listened to an interesting podcast a while ago on the history of lighting, and the cost of a candle’s worth of light over the ages. It dropped from days’ worth of commoners’ work in ancient times to essentially nothing today, and changed the character of our civilizations.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:47:16am

re: #35 ericblair

I listened to an interesting podcast a while ago on the history of lighting, and the cost of a candle’s worth of light over the ages. It dropped from days’ worth of commoners’ work in ancient times to essentially nothing today, and changed the character of our civilizations.

and convinced us that maximizing profits by working and trading 24/7 was more important than keeping our natural circadian rhythms

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:54:01am

re: #8 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Tweets like that only reinforce my conviction that when all is said and done, America’s gonna need something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Trials.

Seriously, this is “crimes against humanity” territory.

And I don’t wanna hear that, “Oh, but we need to put this unfortunate episode behind us and move on together”.

Not this time. There needs to be accountability or this will inevitably happen again.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:57:37am

So this scrolled by on my FB feed:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 2:13:54am

re: #33 Barefoot Grin

Now if these officials could get it through the thick skulls of the GOP that keeping Trump in office will be bad for everyone, we might see some attempts to mitigate the damage he’s done. At least McConnell has gently offered some resistance to the Trump mania recently, but the Senate needs to signal to the House that it will take impeachment proceedings seriously if the House votes to impeach.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 2:14:08am

re: #38 Teukka

Dafuq?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 2:54:27am

This is cool.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2019 • 3:07:23am
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Dave In Austin  Feb 3, 2019 • 3:43:22am
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Teukka  Feb 3, 2019 • 4:45:41am

re: #40 Dr Lizardo

Dafuq?

*whispers* Satire.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 4:46:59am

re: #44 Teukka

*whispers* Satire.

Phew. A little worried there for a second that someone put that up in total seriousness.

These days, it’s getting hard to tell.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 3, 2019 • 4:59:27am

re: #45 Dr Lizardo

Phew. A little worried there for a second that someone put that up in total seriousness.

These days, it’s getting hard to tell.

I thought the red flag with the white circle and a black linear symbol in it was a nice touch.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:01:22am

re: #46 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I thought the red flag with the white circle and a black linear symbol in it was a nice touch.

The thing is, I suspect it’s only a matter of time before we get said symbol on red caps…

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Dizzy  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:11:35am

An immigration ‘amuse bouche’:

“I want to be a Canadian. I love it because our country has been destroyed and is gone. Now Canada is our only country. …”

This is just one anecdote on the benefits of refugee immigration, how it makes a society STRONGER, not weaker.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:15:35am

re: #48 Dizzy

An immigration ‘amuse bouche’:

“I want to be a Canadian. I love it because our country has been destroyed and is gone. Now Canada is our only country. …”

This is just one anecdote on the benefits of refugee immigration, how it makes a society STRONGER, not weaker.

That family will always love Canada for welcoming them. That’s something that people like Trump and Miller will never come close to understanding.

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steve_davis  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:29:42am

re: #12 Targetpractice

In 24 hours, I went from “Northam fucked up, but he deserves a second chance” to “SOMEBODY GET THIS ASSHOLE OFF THE STAGE!”

It’s not often you see a political self-immolation, but they are always a spectacle when they happen.

is he just not really very smart? if he were going to go this route, then just say up front, “I have no idea who either of those characters are, and no idea why this showed up on my yearbook page.” Then you’ve got something to stand on. The only concern is that maybe there is somebody who actually remembers you in blackface, or in klan robes.

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steve_davis  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:31:24am

re: #16 Dave In Austin

Mutual is always better…….

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As a wise book ones stated, masturbation is Thinking Man’s television.

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Dizzy  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:35:57am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

That family will always love Canada for welcoming them. That’s something that people like Trump and Miller will never come close to understanding.

Yes, that’s it. What Trump and his ilk need is a small, tiny, even minuscule amount of critical thinking and they would reach less destructive conclusions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:37:29am

re: #52 Dizzy

Yes, that’s it. What Trump and his ilk need is a small, tiny, even minuscule amount of critical thinking and they would reach less destructive conclusions.

Empathy would be nice too.

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Dizzy  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:40:26am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

Empathy would be nice too.

Agreed. And let me add that those qualities, applied with varying degree for the last century and more, is EXACTLY what made the United States the greatest country of that time.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:41:32am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This is cool.
Capt. Rosemary Mariner become 1 of the 1st women to earn her Navy wings, the 1st woman to fly a tactical fighter jet & the 1st to command a squadron. On Saturday, the Navy honored her with another 1st: a flyover of fighters piloted exclusively by women.

Cool, especially the theme of opening the door, but a bit wrong. COL Jacqueline Cochran, one of the WASP/USAF demigods, flew a borrowed Sabre 3 in 1952. Not only the first woman in a tactical fighter, that year she broke three closed course records in it and took it supersonic. Major Chuck Yeager was her wingman on that flight. Glory where it’s due.

en.wikipedia.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:43:41am

re: #54 Dizzy

Agreed. And let me add that those qualities, applied with varying degree for the last century and more, is EXACTLY what made the United States the greatest country of that time.

Precisely.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:45:04am

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Is it too much to ask of Twitter users to check their damn facts before posting something about history?
— Abraham Lincoln, in a letter to Stephen Douglas, 1859.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:47:36am

re: #32 Targetpractice

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I’ve been calling it the “Runner’s Up” Bowl. Neither of the best teams advanced so we’re getting the 3rd & 4th place game instead. This is rather like all 100+ of the College Meaningless Bowls in the run up to New Years.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:52:05am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I really ought to clean around here. Lot of dust in my eyes this morning.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:52:41am

re: #57 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Hate being a scold, but when modern women aviators stand on the shoulders of giants, Cochran is perhaps the tallest of them. I read her bio, The Stars at Noon, as a teenager in the ’60s.

amazon.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:53:36am

Sometimes I wonder if things I find on Twitter are jokes, or if people are really this dumb.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2019 • 5:57:31am

re: #61 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

That’ contains the dread (2R,3R,4S,5S,6R)-2-[(2S,3S,4S,5R)-3,4-dihydroxy-2,5-bis(hydroxymethyl)oxolan-2-yl]oxy-6-(hydroxymethyl)oxane-3,4,5-triol. Overdoses kill more Americans than almost any other substance.

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jeffreyw  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:01:50am

Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:01:54am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:07:07am

re: #48 Dizzy

It’s a point that gets lost in the whole immigration debate: people want to come to America.

No one comes to America to be a freeloader or live off the charity of others. People come here because of what America represents, or what’s it supposed to represent. A new lease on life, a second chance, a land itself composed of immigrants. Being American isn’t a matter of ethnicity, like it is here in Europe; even if I gained Czech citizenship tomorrow, I’d never really be considered a Czech, because I’m not ethnically Czech.

But there is no such thing as an “American ethnicity”; we’re a hodgepodge of peoples from all over the world.

Sure, America’s not perfect - no country is. We have an ugly past, and the Founding Fathers were anything but saints. But they had a vision, granted, a vision somewhat limited by their time and place in history. But successive generations have gradually expanded that vision over the last couple of centuries and that is what can make America great if we continue to choose going down that path.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:09:57am

Love those local trains.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:15:50am

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

Here’s a Czech local train:

Many of these were built in the 1970s and they’re still in service. They’re pretty tough little trains, and fairly easy to keep running. I’ve taken them so many times, I’ve lost count.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:17:05am

Lubbock to remember Buddy Holly on the 60th anniversary of “The Day the Music Died”

This Sunday marks the 60th anniversary of “The Day the Music Died.” Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. “the Big Bopper” Richardson died after their plane crashed shortly after takeoff, but their influence is still being felt after all these years, drawing people from all over the world to Lubbock to celebrate Holly’s life and legacy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:22:54am

Morning Lizardim.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:35:16am

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Per the NYT, Peggy Sue died a few months ago, 1 Oct.

nytimes.com

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:40:23am

re: #67 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a Czech local train:

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Many of these were built in the 1970s and they’re still in service. They’re pretty tough little trains, and fairly easy to keep running. I’ve taken them so many times, I’ve lost count.

I would ride that!

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Dizzy  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:43:57am

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

It’s a point that gets lost in the whole immigration debate: people want to come to America.

No one comes to America to be a freeloader or live off the charity of others. [snip]

I think this ‘freeloader’ talking point is major projection from the same people who believe that Trump is going to magically fix all their problems for them.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:44:51am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Per the NYT, Peggy Sue died a few months ago, 4 Oct.

nytimes.com

His widow is still alive though:

María Elena Santiago
December 20, 1932 (age 86)
San Juan, Puerto Rico
Nationality Puerto Rican
Spouse(s) Buddy Holly
(m. 1958; died 1959)
Children 3
María Elena Holly (née Santiago; born December 20, 1932)[1] is the widow of rock and roll pioneer Buddy Holly. She later remarried. She owns the rights to his name, image, trademarks, and other intellectual property. In 2010, Santiago-Holly co-founded, with Peter Bradley, “The Buddy Holly Educational Foundation” also known as TBHEF.

wiki.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:45:40am

re: #20 goddamnedfrank

Obsession looks like satire.
google.com

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:46:09am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Per the NYT, Peggy Sue died a few months ago, 1 Oct.

nytimes.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:46:24am

re: #73 William Lewis

His widow is still alive though:

wiki.

Didn’t know Buddy was married when he died or that his widow was from PR.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:47:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:49:49am

re: #72 Dizzy

I think this ‘freeloader’ talking point is major projection from the same people who believe that Trump is going to magically fix all their problems for them.

With the Trump supporters, it’s so much projection, you can see it all the way to Mars.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:49:53am

re: #77 The Vicious Babushka

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He always does that “Maybe I don’t know. “ it’s so annoying

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:51:11am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

He always does that “Maybe I don’t know. “ it’s so annoying

It’s so beta.
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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:51:40am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know Buddy was married when he died or that his widow was from PR.

It’s one of the many things that make me wonder how pop music might have changed had he survived. It would be an interesting timeline to explore.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:53:11am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

All those rhetorical moves:
“Only I can know”, followed by a blatant lie, a quantitative lie, an easily debunked lie, and then “maybe I don’t know” all feed in to the Fog of Unknowability tactic, when people eventually get overwhelmed/annoyed with trying to follow what’s really happening.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:54:20am

re: #81 William Lewis

It’s one of the many things that make me wonder how pop music might have changed had he survived. It would be an interesting timeline to explore.

And Richie and the Big Bopper had survived. Richie was the first Hispanic pop star to cross over to the mainstream pop music world, for example. He could have inspired more Latinx influence earlier in American music than has happened.

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darthstar  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:55:53am
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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:57:32am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:58:13am

re: #85 jaunte

Trump likes “acting” because that’s what people do on TV.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 6:59:48am

re: #86 The Vicious Babushka

Much easier to grift surrounded by help that couldn’t pass a confirmation hearing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:00:37am

Lre: #85 jaunte

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Yeah acting is meant to be temporary. Fucking amoral ethics lacking pig.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:00:55am

re: #81 William Lewis

It’s one of the many things that make me wonder how pop music might have changed had he survived. It would be an interesting timeline to explore.

For sure.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:04:18am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Didn’t know Buddy was married when he died or that his widow was from PR.

I vaguely remember from a Holly bio-pic BH getting into a fight with someone who made a racist comment about his wife. That’s how I knew.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:05:08am

Was at the grocery store yesterday. Ended up in step with an older African American woman, that thing where you pass each other and smile off and on. Then it hit me….she was there for segregation. For the death of MLK. For the resurgent KKK. That wasn’t 100 years ago. That was yesterday. And it took everything I had not to cry.

Northam needs to get his ass out of that office. Now.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:08:51am

re: #90 Barefoot Grin

I vaguely remember from a Holly bio-pic BH getting into a fight with someone who made a racist comment about his wife. That’s how I knew.

Was it the one with Gary Busey? I know Busey gets flack all the time, but I gotta say, damn he was impressive in that particular film.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:10:56am

re: #92 Dr Lizardo

Was it the one with Gary Busey? I know Busey gets flack all the time, but I gotta say, damn he was impressive in that particular film.

Yes, that’s it. He was good.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:13:23am

re: #90 Barefoot Grin

I vaguely remember from a Holly bio-pic BH getting into a fight with someone who made a racist comment about his wife. That’s how I knew.

Not only was he married, they had only been married six months; his wife was two weeks pregnant when she got the news, and miscarried shortly after. (I read the Wikipedia article.)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:13:24am

re: #6 Belafon

From the previous thread:

I’m going to answer some of the questions with one statement.

The Democratic party is representative of a whole lot of different people, one group of which is the African American community. They have had to deal with a lot, but have consistently supported Democrats. In return, I think it’s the right thing for Democrats to take their concerns in any decisions we make. And Democrats can’t win without African Americans.

In an ideal world, both parties and the media would be trying to figure out how to finally deal with our dark history. Instead, though, we have a racist party that none-the-less thinks it can be the arbiter of who is racist, and a media that needs a story about Democrats so that they can feel balanced. So Democrats are left with doing the right thing and getting punished for it. But, even though I also struggle with where do we stop, it’s far better for us to be trying than not.

I wonder if it might not be a good idea for the Democratic party to have it’s own truth-and-reconciliation. Kind of a “let’s get everything out on the table, but if you do it now, we will discuss it.” I had to do something like that when my oldest was younger. He’d dug himself a deep enough hole that attempting to get out was actually making it worse. So we did a reset-with-responsibilities, which gave him a chance to come clean, but the consequences came as a one-shot deal rather than a response to an escalating set of circumstances.

And when the media and GOP start doing their crap we can go “The adults are talking, run along.”

Your answer is good and id add a few more questions to ckkatz’s

- were the voters actively defrauded or lied to..was the info suppressed or hiddden by the candidate?
- or was it in fact something long ago and forgotten so less…. deliberate?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:15:09am

re: #91 BlueGrl21

Was at the grocery store yesterday. Ended up in step with an older African American woman, that thing where you pass each other and smile off and on. Then it hit me….she was there for segregation. For the death of MLK. For the resurgent KKK. That wasn’t 100 years ago. That was yesterday. And it took everything I had not to cry.

Northam needs to get his ass out of that office. Now.

I really think so many whites and I say this as a white male don’t understand that Civil Rights was so much more than just segregation in schools. And that’s why I think black people understandably get upset when whites go “Hey he apologized, let’s move on” in cases like this and others. My brother was explaining to our grandmother yesterday precisely why a certain racial slur is so hurtful to black people and why a variation of that slur is used among some black people. I love my grandmother dearly obviously but she didn’t understand and I get that, she’s a 91 year old white woman but perhaps that’s the thing we white people need to do more is acknowledge we don’t understand. I don’t know what it’s like to be black and yeah black people don’t know what it’s like toe be white either. The other you got me thinking of is one of my teachers, he wrote a memoir about his teaching experiences. The best thing he did for his students was to bring people from the faculty or community that had experienced events he taught about. One of them was one of the school’s security guards, a retired cop and vet who had served in Vietnam who is also African-American. I guess when you’re a kid, you never see some of the people in your life beyond what they are, he was just Mr. C to us but I find myself wondering about what he experienced not just in the military but beforehand. That so many African-Americans volunteered for this country after we treated them so awful is so telling. Ditto Native Americans or Asian Americans for that matter.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:15:30am

re: #84 darthstar

Jersey Shore spray tans are not good genes. Nor do they make the jeans you’re wearing good.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:15:45am

re: #95 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Your answer is good and id add a few more questions to ckkatz’s

- were the voters actively defrauded or lied to..was the info suppressed or hiddden by the candidate?
- or was it in fact something long ago and forgotten so less…. deliberate?

I feel like I was lied to TBH.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:18:45am

re: #90 Barefoot Grin

I vaguely remember from a Holly bio-pic BH getting into a fight with someone who made a racist comment about his wife. That’s how I knew.

Ahh, I never saw the Busey bio-epic. Never would have thought Busey for Holly. But I have heard good things about that film. I got some of his music about this time 9 years ago or so since I was taking a class on the history of American popular music and Buddy’s music was featured. I gotta say, I like it. I like Buddy and his fellow Texan Roy Orbison more than I do Elvis. I get Elvis’s influence not just in music but in being a megastar but I like Orbison and Holly’s music better. A shame that all left us pretty young especially Buddy.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:20:22am

re: #84 darthstar

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What explains the white, raccoon eyes? His parents have a strange 3-way to produce him?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:22:05am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Tweets like that only reinforce my conviction that when all is said and done, America’s gonna need something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Trials.

Seriously, this is “crimes against humanity” territory.

And I don’t wanna hear that, “Oh, but we need to put this unfortunate episode behind us and move on together”.

Not this time. There needs to be accountability or this will inevitably happen again.

…because this never should have happened / been allowed to happen in the first place

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:22:19am

The weird obsession he has with genes too. He’s probably too stupid to grasp eugenics but he’s basically an idiot’s eugenicist.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:22:49am

re: #73 William Lewis

His widow is still alive though:

wiki.

Maria Elena has been zealous about safeguarding Buddy’s legacy. In particular, she has not given the City of Lubbock many breaks on the use of his name and likeness. They can cash in, but they have to pay for the privilege. The back story here is that the Lubbock establishment had little use for Buddy during his lifetime, treating him as an embarrassment at best. Indeed, they started paying attention to him only in the 70s when it finally dawned on them that there was real money to be made.
The reason for that lies in the politics of the time. Ever since the Brown vs. Board decision in 1954, Lubbock conservatives (segregationists) had been gaining the upper hand in their decades-long struggle with local progressives. The far right of the Republican Party, energized by the Hunt brothers, was beginning to make inroads and the segregationist faction among local Democrats met the challenge by doubling down on Jim Crow. Like Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly was seen as a fellow traveler of “negro music,” and a menace to the social order.
With the help of the newly founded John Birch Society, the whackos did gain control and they have not relinquished it to this day.

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sagehen  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:24:07am

re: #97 Myron Falwell

Jersey Shore spray tans are not good genes. Nor do they make the jeans you’re wearing good.

The raccoon eyes from the little plastic thing you wear in tanning beds… that’s the giveaway.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:24:45am

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Maria Elena has been zealous about safeguarding Buddy’s legacy. In particular, she has not given the City of Lubbock many breaks on the use of his name and likeness. They can cash in, but they have to pay for the privilege. The back story here is that the Lubbock establishment had little use for Buddy during his lifetime, treating him as an embarrassment at best. Indeed, they started paying attention to him only in the 70s when it finally dawned on them that there was real money to be made.
The reason for that lies in the politics of the time. Ever since the Brown vs. Board decision in 1954, Lubbock conservatives (segregationists) had been gaining the upper hand in their decades-long struggle with local progressives. The far right of the Republican Party, energized by the Hunt brothers, was beginning to make inroads and the segregationist faction among local Democrats met the challenge by doubling down on Jim Crow. Like Elvis Presley, Buddy Holly was seen as a fellow traveler of “negro music,” and a menace to the social order.
With the help of the newly founded John Birch Society, the whackos did gain control and they have not relinquished it to this day.

This is very interesting. I have to admit that I never really thought too hard about the history of racism and music but they are certainly linked.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:25:19am

re: #104 sagehen

The raccoon eyes from the little plastic thing you wear in tanning beds… that’s the giveaway.

The Jersey Shore President. I’m glad to say that I’ve never been a tanning bed user.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:26:25am

re: #37 Dr Lizardo

Tweets like that only reinforce my conviction that when all is said and done, America’s gonna need something like a cross between South Africa’s Truth and Reconciliation Commission and the Nuremberg Trials.

Seriously, this is “crimes against humanity” territory.

And I don’t wanna hear that, “Oh, but we need to put this unfortunate episode behind us and move on together”.

Not this time. There needs to be accountability or this will inevitably happen again.

The Allies did perform denazification once WWII ended. With the rampant misinformation going around the far-right echo chamber, it’s difficult not to argue for something similar. Because putting this regime up in The Hague — or in any court — will make them political martyrs by the far-right.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:28:33am

Hot take coming. Rich Lowry is a smug asshole.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:33:24am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:34:03am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Ahh, I never saw the Busey bio-epic. Never would have thought Busey for Holly. But I have heard good things about that film. I got some of his music about this time 9 years ago or so since I was taking a class on the history of American popular music and Buddy’s music was featured. I gotta say, I like it. I like Buddy and his fellow Texan Roy Orbison more than I do Elvis. I get Elvis’s influence not just in music but in being a megastar but I like Orbison and Holly’s music better. A shame that all left us pretty young especially Buddy.

Busey got an Oscar nod for his performance, it was that good.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:35:39am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I feel like I was lied to TBH.

I think intent/motivation is a relevant consideration

Fair enough

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:37:56am

Expanding on feeling like I was lied to. It’s what Northam said he was running against. If you recall, our gubernatorial election was just a few months after Charlottesville. I genuinely thought that then Lt. Governor Northam despite being what we call a good old boy type was someone that was beyond the South that he had grown up with. You gotta remember that the previous three Dem governors: Warner, Kaine, and McAuliffe didn’t grow up in Virginia and Kaine exempted are NoVa based though Kaine is Richmond based.

So, yeah I feel a little betrayed because I wanted a governor that reflected my values. That’s why I liked Tom Perriello. I admired the hell that he voted for ACA and stood by it even though it was unpopular at the time especially in his district which hasn’t gone back ot the Dems since then unfortunately . Ralph, I thought shared some of those values. Sure, he was and is a little more centrist minded than I am but I felt at our core the values we shared were identical.

I didn’t feel for a second that Ed Gillespie shared my values at all. In fact, Gillespie disgusted me in how he would talk about his Irish immigrant father with pride in one breath and then use MS-13 to scare the downstate voters who whether Gillespie knows or cares associate all Hispanics with MS-13 and as a brother in law of a Hispanic and uncle of one, I wasn’t liking that shit at all.

There were in hindsight some red flags about Northam I wish I had seen. Omitting Fairfax to appease that union for example. Was it done because of race? I don’t know for sure but I don’t know. The RNC is trying to make haywire out of that he refused to shake E.W. Jackson’s hand but I don’t believe that was racially based given that E.W. Jackson was saying shit like legalized abortion is worse than the Holocaust. And he made plenty of bigoted statements about Muslims.

In the end, I voted for Ralph Northam. I campaigned for him a little even too. Knowing what I know today, what would I do? Certainly wouldn’t vote for a race baiter like Gillespie or someone racially indifferent like the Libertarian Party, but the Governor proved himself just as racially insensitive as what I see many Republicans as being and that’s something I do not feel about his Democratic predecessors. We have a long ways to go in this state and country on race because the ruling class/race (yes white people and I’m not just talking politics here but popular media) doesn’t really ever want us to consider the other side of a story.

We know things like the n-word being hurtful. We know that the Klan is awful. We know that blackface isn’t acceptable. But do we know the full extent why? And that’s something unfortunately that I think a lot of people either don’t or don’t want to. We don’t know about the n-word being used repeatedly on generations of African-Americans to dehumanize them. We don’t know that the Klan was more than just assholes in robes but domestic terrorists who did everything in their power to make black people feel unsafe in their homes. We don’t know how blackface was used as cheap humor for whites who never interacted with black people to dehumanize black people to living cartoon characters. But above all, we don’t know how that felt and how that impacts society today.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:39:19am

re: #111 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

I think intent/motivation is a relevant consideration

Fair enough

Northam is a complicated man as you and the rest of the country are seeing. I just don’t think he has seen yet how racial insensitivity can really hurt people.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:40:00am

re: #103 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Nowadays, no really thinks about it, but yeah, rock music caused something of a moral panic back in the day - much like how hip-hop music today still causes a lot of people to get their knickers in quite a twist.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of hip-hop or rap in general, but there are exceptions. One of my favorite albums of all time is Public Enemy’s ‘Fear of a Black Planet’ - the same for the album by Ice-T, ‘O.G.’ Absolutely brilliant albums, and I’ve listened to them time and time again.

Ice Cube released “Arrest the President” late last year…..and here I’m sure a lot of people were thinking he’d gone all family-friendly. LOL.

Ice Cube - Arrest The President [Audio]

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:42:12am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Oh, we’ve got trouble
Right here in River City
With a capital T,
and that rhymes with P,
and that stands for Pool!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:42:37am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Nowadays, no really thinks about it, but yeah, rock music caused something of a moral panic back in the day - much like how hip-hop music today still causes a lot of people to get their knickers in quite a twist.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of hip-hop or rap in general, but there are exceptions. One of my favorite albums of all time is Public Enemy’s ‘Fear of a Black Planet’ - the same for the album by Ice-T, ‘O.G.’ Absolutely brilliant albums, and I’ve listened to them time and time again.

Ice Cube released “Arrest the President” late last year…..and here I’m sure a lot of people were thinking he’d gone all family-friendly. LOL.

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Jazz and Blues did too. Remember that movie Swing Kids? The Nazis hated that music because they considered it n-word music but it wasn’t just them. If we really look at so much of our culture and things we think of as being as American as Apple Pie, they really are heavily influenced by marginalized groups. Our music perhaps being the most obvious example IMO.

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darthstar  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:44:03am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:45:01am

Ot:

12 miles today
Effortless
Pea soup fog

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:45:54am

re: #117 darthstar

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What we are saying Howard if you actually noticed is that we should have an economy that works for the benefit of people trying to make it to the top rather than people who are already at the top. But go on act like you’re being persecuted because of your wealth here, great look, bud.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:47:47am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

“Fear of a Black Planet” was the first CD I ever bought; I was a freshman in college in 1989. I saw Public Enemy live probably five times, including them opening up for U2 at the Astrodome in Houston (1992?).

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darthstar  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:51:03am
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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2019 • 7:51:47am

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Nowadays, no really thinks about it, but yeah, rock music caused something of a moral panic back in the day - much like how hip-hop music today still causes a lot of people to get their knickers in quite a twist.

Personally, I’m not a huge fan of hip-hop or rap in general, but there are exceptions. One of my favorite albums of all time is Public Enemy’s ‘Fear of a Black Planet’ - the same for the album by Ice-T, ‘O.G.’ Absolutely brilliant albums, and I’ve listened to them time and time again.

Ice Cube released “Arrest the President” late last year…..and here I’m sure a lot of people were thinking he’d gone all family-friendly. LOL.

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I consider ‘It Takes A Nation of Millions to Hold Us Back’ as one of the great rock albums of all time.

Hearing it for the first time gave me the same rush as hearing ‘Are You Experienced’ for the first time.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:01:20am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I feel like I was lied to TBH.

Northam was clearly a jerk when he was in school. Racism appeared to be common in these Virginia schools and absolutely disgraceful. His behavior was deplorable but so far there is no evidence that it was criminal or that his cruelty extended to actual personal interaction with minorities or that he belonged to any racist organizations such as the KKK. After 35 years, is it really lying if someone does not stand up and confess every sin committed in the distant past? Yes, he was in his 20’s and not his teens, but it was a toxic environment at that time.

OTOH, he really blew his opportunity yesterday to explain what happened. Those here who speculated that this sounded like a Roger Stone attack may be accurate. The GOP deliberately withheld this information until it could inflict the most damage on Northam or distract from Trump-related crimes.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:01:26am

re: #122 makeitstop

Oh, yeah, that’s another great classic.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:08:09am

re: #120 Ace Rothstein

“Fear of a Black Planet” was the first CD I ever bought; I was a freshman in college in 1989. I saw Public Enemy live probably five times, including them opening up for U2 at the Astrodome in Houston (1992?).

Synchronicity. Been playing this for my sons.

I graduated high school in 1991 and was in deep Alief. That album had a certain immediacy for me and the people around me.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:09:30am

re: #123 Hecuba’s daughter

Northam was clearly a jerk when he was in school. Racism appeared to be common in these Virginia schools and absolutely disgraceful. His behavior was deplorable but so far there is no evidence that it was criminal or that his cruelty extended to actual personal interaction with minorities or that he belonged to any racist organizations such as the KKK. After 35 years, is it really lying if someone does not stand up and confess every sin committed in the distant past? Yes, he was in his 20’s and not his teens, but it was a toxic environment at that time.

OTOH, he really blew his opportunity yesterday to explain what happened. Those here who speculated that this sounded like a Roger Stone attack may be accurate. The GOP deliberately withheld this information until it could inflict the most damage on Northam or distract from Trump-related crimes.

Read my 112 please. It sort of expands on why I feel the way I do. And I’ll add that Northam had the opportunity to stand with his African American Lt. Governor and condemn the attempts to put Robert E. Lee with our state’s great sons like Washington and others. He didn’t. That doesn’t mean I think he’s a terrible racist but there are things about him that have revealed a racial insensitivity to him that I did not feel existed before. I by contrast do not feel that way about our previous three Democratic governors especially Tim Kaine.

As for it being a toxic environment? I’m sorry but it was 1984 in Norfolk. It was 36 years after Truman desegregated teh military he was about to enter. One year after my parents married, both of whom had dated people of different races before their marriage and both of whom know that blackface and the KKK was unacceptable then as it is now. My own Dad who is older than Northam by nearly 8 years has related that his Father told him never ever to use a certain word for black people. I can’t give Northam a pass on this. I just can’t. And I hate to say it but I think some are being a little more forgiving because of his label.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:10:39am

re: #125 BlueGrl21

My sister went to Hastings.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:13:06am

PE’s first album “Yo! Bum Rush the Show!” holy shit. I was 16 when I first heard it, and it was unlike anything I had ever heard before. I was hooked. Then “Nation of Millions…” came out. One of the greatest hip hop albums of all time. Chuck D.’s baritone voice, the inflection, the delivery. You could really feel it.

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ericblair  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:13:37am

re: #117 darthstar

Howard Schultz: “We shouldn’t get to a place where there are people yelling from the rafters that because you have been successful, you are a bad person and we’re going to be punitive to you. That’s, to me, the antithesis of the spirit of the country.”

Howard Schultz’s position is that people should stop being mean to billionaires. That’s it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:14:22am

re: #129 ericblair

Howard Schultz’s position is that people should stop being mean to billionaires. That’s it.

I would suggest that we get them a safe place but they can already afford several and then have enough leftover to buy a new house.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:21:17am

re: #128 Ace Rothstein

PE’s first album “Yo! Bum Rush the Show!” holy shit. I was 16 when I first heard it, and it was unlike anything I had ever heard before. I was hooked. Then “Nation of Millions…” came out. One of the greatest hip hop albums of all time. Chuck D.’s baritone voice, the inflection, the delivery. You could really feel it.

I was eight when I first heard ‘Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s the Sex Pistols’.

To say it was quite unlike anything I’d heard up to that time is quite the understatement. The first blast from “Holidays in the Sun”…..yeah, that sure as hell didn’t sound like “Stayin’ Alive”.

Sex Pistols - Holiday In The Sun

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:23:16am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:28:42am

re: #132 jaunte

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I really think Sherrod Brown is underrated. I’m not sure if he should be at the top of the ticket but I wouldn’t mind him at all as a running mate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:35:02am

Racist in his heart tho? Who gives a fuck? And yes Chuck he is both a racist at heart and a racist opportunist.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:37:00am

re: #94 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Not only was he married, they had only been married six months; his wife was two weeks pregnant when she got the news, and miscarried shortly after. (I read the Wikipedia article.)

Jeez, don’t you remember the first verse of MissAmerican Pie about his ‘widowed bride’?

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gwangung  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:37:34am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Racist in his heart tho? Who gives a fuck? And yes Chuck he is both a racist at heart and a racist opportunist.

I can’t tell.

But his acts are racist. His speeches are racist. He inspires more racist acts. Shouldn’t THAT be the point?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:38:32am

re: #136 gwangung

I can’t tell.

But his acts are racist. His speeches are racist. He inspires more racist acts. Shouldn’t THAT be the point?

That’s exactly the point. If it walks like a racist, it is a racist, and I’m glad that Brown pointed that racism is a constant for Trump in his life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:39:20am

re: #117 darthstar

Howard Schultz: “We shouldn’t get to a place where there are people yelling from the rafters that because you have been successful, you are a bad person and we’re going to be punitive to you. That’s, to me, the antithesis of the spirit of the country.”

You can be successful without being an arrogant, presumptuous asshole.

Calvinism is really hard-wired in our national consciousness and ready to raise its ugly head in any debate about wealth.

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BigPapa  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:39:34am

to go with my Superb Owl beef bourguignon I’m going to try my second shot at okra. First time was just with flour and a little herbed butter. The flour mixed with the slime so it made it a little chunky, and I added a little of the beef marinade to the mixture. Pretty tasty for not being perfect.

Today I’m going traditional with cornmeal and a little buttermilk or half/half bath first, and I might add onions.

And wine. There will be wine. Because Brady and Kraft are MAGAts and to hell with Empire!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:39:51am

Watch the Moon rotate.

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ipsos  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:40:00am

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I really think Sherrod Brown is underrated. I’m not sure if he should be at the top of the ticket but I wouldn’t mind him at all as a running mate.

I want Connie Schultz as First Lady. She’d be the best!

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:42:37am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Ahh, I never saw the Busey bio-epic. Never would have thought Busey for Holly. But I have heard good things about that film. I got some of his music about this time 9 years ago or so since I was taking a class on the history of American popular music and Buddy’s music was featured. I gotta say, I like it. I like Buddy and his fellow Texan Roy Orbison more than I do Elvis. I get Elvis’s influence not just in music but in being a megastar but I like Orbison and Holly’s music better. A shame that all left us pretty young especially Buddy.

Yeah, Busey played Holly before he had his motorcycle wreck and went loopy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:42:51am

re: #141 ipsos

I want Connie Schultz as First Lady. She’d be the best!

She is awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:43:21am

re: #142 TedStriker

Yeah, Busey played Holly before he had his motorcycle wreck and went loopy.

I forget, that surfing movie he did with Jan Michael Vincent and that other dude was before this too right?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:43:39am

re: #142 TedStriker

Yeah, Busey played Holly before he had his motorcycle wreck and went loopy.

I wondered how we went from being a promising young talent to such a turd.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:43:51am

These 3D printers are pretty dang amazing.

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ipsos  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:47:25am

Is anyone else subjecting themselves to the OrangeAnus on Face the Nation? A solid hour of verbal diarrhea.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:50:25am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I forget, that surfing movie he did with Jan Michael Vincent and that other dude was before this too right?

I don’t know what movie you’re remembering with JMV, but you must be thinking of Busey being in the original Reeves/Swayze Point Break, which was a couple of years after his wreck.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:52:03am

Oh FFS, Pam Bondi is on This Week. And Maggie Haberman too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:52:25am

re: #148 TedStriker

I don’t know what movie you’re remembering with JMV, but you must be thinking of Busey being in the original Reeves/Swayze Point Break.

No, there was another.
imdb.com
Big Wednesday! And William Katt was teh other guy. But yeah I do remember Busey as Keanu’s supervisor in Point Break, Keanu usually doesn’t do it for me but I loved Point Break and I usually don’t go for those kind of movies at all but ti was sort of a prototype of The Town later.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:52:44am

re: #146 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

These 3D printers are pretty dang amazing.

They are but I cannot help but think about what 3D printing and self-driving vehicles are going to do to the transportation and logistic industries and the millions of people they employ.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:53:18am

re: #117 darthstar

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:54:30am

re: #152 jaunte

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It’s called a hint, Howie. At least Perot and even Trump knew not to make their campaigns a whoa is me I’m a rich guy.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:56:56am

re: #152 jaunte

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Rep. Lieu is right, a meme based on an old drawing of Bugs Bunny in which he looks like a bowling pin is more popular than Howard Schultz is.

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Citizen K  Feb 3, 2019 • 8:57:22am

re: #149 Ace Rothstein

Oh FFS, Pam Bondi is on This Week. And Maggie Haberman too.

Guess all the Democrats are too busy actually running the country?

Oh, right, in their quota system, Haberman necessarily counts as a ‘leftist’ because she’s a journo, right?

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:01:28am

re: #154 Myron Falwell

Schultz has absolutely no understanding of human nature if he thinks a billionaire running on the “anyone in this country can be a billionaire, you lazy losers” platform is going to be taken as anything other than a cynical effort to keep from having his taxes raised.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:02:20am

re: #155 Citizen K

Guess all the Democrats are too busy actually running the country?

Oh, right, in their quota system, Haberman necessarily counts as a ‘leftist’ because she’s a journo, right?

When Republicans are in charge, you have to get their views. When Democrats are in charge, you need Republicans to get opposing views. And we all know Pelosi is running the country.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:02:35am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

It’s called a hint, Howie. At least Perot and even Trump knew not to make their campaigns a whoa is me I’m a rich guy.

Perot’s entire campaign focused on national debt; no racism or sexism or social issues. Unlike Trump, he was a self-made legitimate billionaire. Unlike Schultz, his money came from technology — the industry of the future. He was crazy but brilliant.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:03:33am

re: #156 jaunte

Schultz has absolutely no understanding of human nature if he thinks a billionaire running on the “anyone in this country can be a billionaire, you lazy losers” platform is going to be taken as anything other than a cynical effort to keep from having his taxes raised.

Especially since that tax cut that is causing us $1T/year already proves the GOP has that covered.

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TedStriker  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:05:59am

re: #145 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I wondered how we went from being a promising young talent to such a turd.

Thing is, Busey has always been primarily a character actor and has been for a long time (back to his first credited role in 1971, but he also had a couple of uncredited roles back to 1967), but the “good” roles in high-profile movies have been far and few between since his 1988 wreck (Lethal Weapon was the year before in 1987, and Predator 2, Point Break, and Under Siege were within just a few years of his accident). Since Under Siege, he’s done a lot of crap, with some bit parts in a few notable movies (Black Sheep, Lost Highway, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas)

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:06:02am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot’s entire campaign focused on national debt; no racism or sexism or social issues. Unlike Trump, he was a self-made legitimate billionaire. Unlike Schultz, his money came from technology — the industry of the future. He was crazy but brilliant.

Perot had also had some policy success. He was a major player at getting no-pass-no-play and standardized testing (TABS when I was a kid) here in Texas public schools.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:06:03am

re: #127 Ace Rothstein

My sister went to Hastings.

I know exactly what it was like then. At one point Alief had the most murders per capita in the U.S. I went to Kempner…moved when I was 15…but we were in Mission Bend, which pulled half to Alief, half to Fort Bend. Not much better.

When I was there was when the Asian gangs were moving in and pushing the black community out. It was ugly.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:10:36am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

3d and CAD are changing how jewelry is made and I think more important, who can now make it. 3d put jewelry design and making back into the hands of independent jewelers. Been giving a PowerPoint presentation on this for the trade.

But of course our trade is just a very visible example of de centralized design through manufacture. I used to think this would be limited to smaller items, then I saw a breakthrough of a smallish printer extruding concrete. For walls of a home or business. So few people involved as compared to sticks and sheet-rock. And utilities like wires and pipes were truly in the design, not an add on.

About those autonomous cars? IMHO waaay over rated until they run exclusive in dedicated routes or areas. The kind of AI we fear most is just the low end of the AI you want to keep people safe in a mixed or high speed environment. Zeroes out your travel privacy too. Hack-able.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:12:17am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot’s entire campaign focused on national debt; no racism or sexism or social issues.

When EDS was acquired by GM and began systematically poaching every IT operation in Metro Detroit in order to fix GM’s sprawling IT empire, there was a macabre joke we shared in IT:

Q: Why did California get AIDS and Detroit got EDS?
A: California had first pick

One of his more memorable quotes: “When an EDS’er sees a snake, he KILLS it. At GM the first thing they do is form a committee on snakes. Then they hire the foremost expert on snakes. Then they spend the next 6 months figuring out what they do about the snake.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:12:33am

re: #161 Belafon

Perot had also had some policy success. He was a major player at getting no-pass-no-play and standardized testing (TABS when I was a kid) here in Texas public schools.

Yeah he at least had ideas. Schultz’s whole thing seems to be whining about the leftward movement of the Dems.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:15:40am

re: #162 BlueGrl21

I know exactly what it was like then. At one point Alief had the most murders per capita in the U.S. I went to Kempner…moved when I was 15…but we were in Mission Bend, which pulled half to Alief, half to Fort Bend. Not much better.

When I was there was when the Asian gangs were moving in and pushing the black community out. It was ugly.

I was there during that time. Lived in Westheimer/Dairy Ashford area. Lot of kick in the door and start shooting shit going on.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:17:07am

re: #160 TedStriker

Thing is, Busey has always been primarily a character actor and has been for a long time (back to his first credited role in 1971, but he also had a couple of uncredited roles back to 1967), but the “good” roles in high-profile movies have been far and few between since his 1988 wreck (Lethal Weapon was the year before in 1987, and Predator 2, Point Break, and Under Siege were within just a few years of his accident). Since Under Siege, he’s done a lot of crap, with some bit parts in a few notable movies (Black Sheep, Lost Highway, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas)

How can you forget that magum opus, The Gingerdead Man?

Heh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:18:14am

re: #167 Dr Lizardo

How can you forget that magum opus, The Gingerdead Man?

Heh.

Should have won the Oscar that year.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:18:37am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Should have won the Oscar that year.

He waz robbed!

LOL

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:19:29am

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The weird obsession he has with genes too. He’s probably too stupid to grasp eugenics but he’s basically an idiot’s eugenicist.

It’s all a part of the Trump version of The Emperor’s New Clothes.

He constantly needs to be told how great he is at everything even how he was born with such great genes. Yet everyone also knows he isn’t. So, everyone plays along and the Trump believers buy in because no one wants to believe he is the unsuccessful, pig-headed asshole he really is.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:20:15am

re: #164 Eric The Fruit Bat

When EDS was acquired by GM and began systematically poaching every IT operation in Metro Detroit in order to fix GM’s sprawling IT empire, there was a macabre joke we shared in IT:

One of his more memorable quotes: “When an EDS’er sees a snake, he KILLS it. At GM the first thing they do is form a committee on snakes. Then they hire the foremost expert on snakes. Then they spend the next 6 months figuring out what they do about the snake.”

I went to work at EDS the same year it was acquired by GM. There were a bunch of GM IT professionals who were so pissed off that they actually started a movement to join the UAW but union wasn’t equipped to deal with an influx of salaried professionals who made more than the line workers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:21:35am

re: #169 Dr Lizardo

He waz robbed!

LOL

Bad horror movies are my favorite. The Leprechaun series is my favorite.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:22:57am

re: #156 jaunte

Schultz has absolutely no understanding of human nature if he thinks a billionaire running on the “anyone in this country can be a billionaire, you lazy losers” platform is going to be taken as anything other than a cynical effort to keep from having his taxes raised.

Or that his campaign is nothing more than a pure tone-deaf ego trip that’s set up to alienate voters in every way possible.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:23:59am

re: #149 Ace Rothstein

Oh FFS, Pam Bondi is on This Week. And Maggie Haberman too.

Is Steve King or Cindy Hyde-Smith dropping by This Weak to demand Ralph’s resignation?

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:26:21am

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

There were a bunch of GM IT professionals who were so pissed off that they actually started a movement to join the UAW but union wasn’t equipped to deal with an influx of salaried professionals who made more than the line workers.

Quite frankly, I’m surprised that when an outsourcer comes in and the staff that is about to be laid off is required to train the outsourcer staff that they just don’t walk off.

It’s now gotten to the point that IBM doesn’t call layoffs layoffs - but ‘Resource Allocation’ (RA). One of the guys I worked closely with in IBM get RA’ed a few years back - at least now he’s retired….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:26:35am

re: #170 ObserverArt

It’s all a part of the Trump version of The Emperor’s New Clothes.

He constantly needs to be told how great he is at everything even how he was born with such great genes. Yet everyone also knows he isn’t. So, everyone plays along and the Trump believers buy in because no one wants to believe he is the unsuccessful, pig-headed asshole he really is.

Remember when he tried to sue Maher for slander for saying his mother was an orangutan?

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plansbandc  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:26:49am

re: #58 William Lewis

This would be a good one to miss. Not really into two teams whose owners donated to the fat orange tyrant.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:27:21am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot’s entire campaign focused on national debt; no racism or sexism or social issues. Unlike Trump, he was a self-made legitimate billionaire. Unlike Schultz, his money came from technology — the industry of the future. He was crazy but brilliant.

According to Wikipedia, another distinction from Schultz is that Perot favors higher taxes on the wealthy. Unlike our current fraud of a President, Perot could truly be described as an “unstable” genius.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:28:43am

re: #166 Eventual Carrion

I was there during that time. Lived in Westheimer/Dairy Ashford area. Lot of kick in the door and start shooting shit going on.

We used to cruise Westheimer all of the time. Go to that dollar theater over there.

When I was 18 one of my dumbass girlfriends bought her boyfriend a gun at a gun show. She was 18, he was 17. That gun was used in a murder. He fled, got away. Turned up 30 years later in a Chinese prison on drug trafficking charges. He’ll die there.

I’d get phone calls that someone had been shot or killed, everyone would pass the news, you know? Most I barely knew, just people in the neighborhood, but I lost 3 close friends when I was 16. That was an awful year.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:28:51am

re: #175 Eric The Fruit Bat

Quite frankly, I’m surprised that when an outsourcer comes in and the staff that is about to be laid off is required to train the outsourcer staff that they just don’t walk off.

Corporate threatens to withhold unemployment compensation, severance pay, and give bad references to prospective employers.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:30:24am

Back from Church. I wouldn’t normally inflict something like this on you but today was the feast day for the Four Chaplins of the SS Dorchester, sunk by the U-223 on Feb 3, 1943. After handing our life jackets till none were left in the lockers, they then gave away their lifejackets, linked arms and went down with the ship singing hymns. A Methodist, a Dutch Reformed, a Catholic & a Jewish Chaplin almost sounds like the set up of a joke, I know. Still they did what the could to help the 904 on board. Only 230 were pulled alive from the water.

en.wikipedia.org

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:31:16am

re: #181 William Lewis

Back from Church. I wouldn’t normally inflict something like this on you but today was the feast day for the Four Chaplins of the SS Dorchester, sunk by the U-223 on Feb 3, 1943. After handing our life jackets till none were left in the lockers, they then gave away their lifejackets, linked arms and went down with the ship singing hymns. A Methodist, a Dutch Reformed, a Catholic & a Jewish Chaplin almost sounds like the set up of a joke, I know. Still they did what the could to help the 904 on board. Only 230 were pulled alive from the water.

en.wikipedia.org

Wow. That’s a really moving story.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:32:41am

re: #178 Hecuba’s daughter

According to Wikipedia, another distinction from Schultz is that Perot favors higher taxes on the wealthy. Unlike our current fraud of a President, Perot could truly be described as an “unstable” genius.

Perot’s VP pick of VADM James Stockdale was a masterstroke-even if he didn’t fit the mold of a politician.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:32:51am

re: #181 William Lewis

Back from Church. I wouldn’t normally inflict something like this on you but today was the feast day for the Four Chaplins of the SS Dorchester, sunk by the U-223 on Feb 3, 1943. After handing our life jackets till none were left in the lockers, they then gave away their lifejackets, linked arms and went down with the ship singing hymns. A Methodist, a Dutch Reformed, a Catholic & a Jewish Chaplin almost sounds like the set up of a joke, I know. Still they did what the could to help the 904 on board. Only 230 were pulled alive from the water.

en.wikipedia.org

You know that I’m not religious but my grand uncle was a wartime chaplain during WWII so this is a really nice story. Just because religion may not work for me doesn’t mean that I don’t see that it can comfort those especially in a situation like that.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:33:04am

re: #170 ObserverArt

It’s all a part of the Trump version of The Emperor’s New Clothes.

He constantly needs to be told how great he is at everything even how he was born with such great genes. Yet everyone also knows he isn’t. So, everyone plays along and the Trump believers buy in because no one wants to believe he is the unsuccessful, pig-headed asshole he really is.

I would imagine his dad (at the very least) believed in eugenics.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:33:44am

re: #175 Eric The Fruit Bat

Quite frankly, I’m surprised that when an outsourcer comes in and the staff that is about to be laid off is required to train the outsourcer staff that they just don’t walk off.

It’s now gotten to the point that IBM doesn’t call layoffs layoffs - but ‘Resource Allocation’ (RA). One of the guys I worked closely with in IBM get RA’ed a few years back - at least now he’s retired….

re: #180 The Vicious Babushka

Corporate threatens to withhold unemployment compensation, severance pay, and give bad references to prospective employers.

Also, most employees don’t have the wherewithal to manage an extended period without pay — especially today when many jobs are not being outsourced to a competing local firm, but rather to overseas competition. People train those who replace them because they know that they cannot quickly find a new computer position since most are now being exported overseas.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:33:52am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

I would imagine his dad (at the very least) believed in eugenics.

Remember his Dad was one of the Boys IN The Hood…AND BEDSHEETS!

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:35:42am

re: #132 jaunte

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Saw a little of that interview with Sherrod Brown this morning.

I think he is running now. He was in a suit and had his hair all spiffed up!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:36:11am

re: #182 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Wow. That’s a really moving story.

It reminds me of the Iwo Jima flagraisers really. Men from totally different backgrounds giving it all for their country. My cousin Mike Strank definitely saw Ira Hayes as akin to a brother. The two couldn’t have been more different. Mike was an immigrant from Slovakia living in Pennsylvania and Ira was a member of the Pima Tribe in Arizona.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:37:04am

re: #131 Dr Lizardo

For me it was the Ramones. My father was a janitor a the local university student union and brought home a lost copy of Rocket To Russia. My idea of music was forever changed.

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Alephnaught  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:38:00am

Looks like that Trumpet we were discussing yesterday, the one who tried to get into a library he’d previously been banned from- for filming children- In order to disrupt a drag queen storytime with a gun- has been suspended from his Twitter account @DocGreeneSnr.

And all the MAGAts who had hoped to help him out have a sadz.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:38:28am

re: #188 ObserverArt

Saw a little of that interview with Sherrod Brown this morning.

I think he is running now. He was in a suit and had his hair all spiffed up!

As I say these days, any Democrat* not running for mayor of Chicago is running for President!

*of course, has to meet Constitutional requirements!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:39:55am

re: #192 Hecuba’s daughter

As I say these days, any Democrat* not running for mayor of Chicago is running for President!

*of course, has to meet Constitutional requirements!

Garcetti decided not to run. I had heard mixed things about him from the California lizards. And I must say I’m glad a certain mayor of Chicago isn’t running. Not a fan of Rahm.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:40:40am

re: #191 Alephnaught

Looks like that Trumpet we were discussing yesterday, the one who tried to get into a library he’d previously been banned from- for filming children- In order to disrupt a drag queen storytime with a gun- has been suspended from his Twitter account @DocGreeneSnr.

And all the MAGAts who had hoped to help him out have a sadz.

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Guy got off way too easily. I doubt a drag queen going in guns a blazing to a church would have gotten the kiddie treatment he got after a previous ban from a place.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:41:22am

re: #193 HappyWarrior

Garcetti decided not to run. I had heard mixed things about him from the California lizards. And I must say I’m glad a certain mayor of Chicago isn’t running. Not a fan of Rahm.

Garcetti gets a thumbs down from me because he’s letting gentrification run out of control here in Los Angeles.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:41:42am

re: #154 Myron Falwell

Rep. Lieu is right, a meme based on an old drawing of Bugs Bunny in which he looks like a bowling pin is more popular than Howard Schultz is.

I wasn’t paying close attention, but did I hear Chuck Todd or someone on his show say in a poll Schultz was at 17%? Anyone hear that, and what poll that might have been? Was that conducted by the Downtrodden Billionaires of America Organization?

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:42:04am

re: #190 William Lewis

For me it was the Ramones. My father was a janitor a the local university student union and brought home a lost copy of Rocket To Russia. My idea of music was forever changed.

Of all the music I listened to over the years it was NIN, Downward Spiral.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:42:35am

re: #195 Joe Bacon 🌹

Garcetti gets a thumbs down from me because he’s letting gentrification run out of control here in Los Angeles.

Yep, you were the one that gave him a thumbsdown. So he probably wouldn’t be a good pick for HUD by that estimation. Does he have any positives he might offer though another department or agency? I know you don’t like him but look at this as a possibility to get rid of him too heh.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:43:59am

re: #190 William Lewis

For me it was the Ramones. My father was a janitor a the local university student union and brought home a lost copy of Rocket To Russia. My idea of music was forever changed.

For me it was the first time my buddy Chuck put Frank Zappa’s Freak Out on his record player. I sat transfixed. Had to listen to the entire pair of albums. Then I scraped enough pennies together to buy it and hide in my bedroom. Played it endlessly when Mom and Dad were out of the house.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:45:17am

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Yep, you were the one that gave him a thumbsdown. So he probably wouldn’t be a good pick for HUD by that estimation. Does he have any positives he might offer though another department or agency? I know you don’t like him but look at this as a possibility to get rid of him too heh.

When it comes to Garcetti the only positive he could generate is when he leaves office.

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Alephnaught  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:46:04am

If you want to hear what I’m listening to right now, the concert is live streaming on Celtic Music Radio right now!

celticmusicradio.net

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:46:54am

re: #26 ericblair

Say hello to the inventor of frequency hopping secure wireless communications:

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IT’S HEDLEY!!

oh wait… never mind…

edit: and I just saw that of course I am ten hours late with this

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:48:03am

re: #200 Joe Bacon 🌹

When it comes to Garcetti the only positive he could generate is when he leaves office.

Hahaha damn. Fair enough. Appreciate your honesty on the accesment. I’m undecided tbh between Kamala, Gillibrand, & Castro right now.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:48:54am

re: #202 Jebediah, RBG

IT’S HEDLEY!!

oh wait… never mind…

That was such a great gag. I know Hedy hated it but it’s how so many people remember her.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:49:16am

re: #190 William Lewis

For me it was the Ramones. My father was a janitor a the local university student union and brought home a lost copy of Rocket To Russia. My idea of music was forever changed.

My ears still haven’t recovered from a Ramones show I went to in the late 1970s.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:50:36am

re: #205 Barefoot Grin

My ears still haven’t recovered from a Ramones show I went to in the late 1970s.

It just occurred to me; the original lineup of the Ramones…..they’ve all passed away. The only surviving member now is Marky Ramone (he replaced Tommy).

Damn. :(

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:51:40am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

It just occurred to me; the original lineup of the Ramones…..they’ve all passed away. The only surviving member now is Marky Ramone (he replaced Tommy).

Damn. :(

All too young.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:52:00am

re: #206 Dr Lizardo

It just occurred to me; the original lineup of the Ramones…..they’ve all passed away. The only surviving member now is Marky Ramone (he replaced Tommy).

Damn. :(

Marky keeps the flame alive on Sirius XM with his Marky Ramone’s Punk Rock Blitzkrieg channel.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:54:18am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

All too young.

Yep.

I used to play The Ramones in the car when my boys were toddlers. They didn’t get Barney or Veggie Tales, they got The Ramones. I taught them how to sing I Wanna Be Sedated.

They would sing it at the top of their lungs in Target. We got a few looks. :)

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:54:59am

re: #190 William Lewis

For me it was the Ramones. My father was a janitor a the local university student union and brought home a lost copy of Rocket To Russia. My idea of music was forever changed.

For me it was the Cocteau Twins. Try growing up on country and hair bands and then hearing Victorialand.

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:55:11am

re: #209 BlueGrl21

Yep.

I used to play The Ramones in the car when my boys were toddlers. They didn’t get Barney or Veggie Tales, they got The Ramones. I taught them how to sing I Wanna Be Sedated.

They would sing it at the top of their lungs in Target. We got a few looks. :)

Parenting: you did it right

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:56:17am

Caught this on CBS Sunday morning, a company is using scanning technology to recreate full size replicas of objects down to the millimeter:

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:57:09am

And Sesame Street, Pop Tarts, and I turn 50 this year.

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Teukka  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:57:11am

re: #209 BlueGrl21

Yep.

I used to play The Ramones in the car when my boys were toddlers. They didn’t get Barney or Veggie Tales, they got The Ramones. I taught them how to sing I Wanna Be Sedated.

They would sing it at the top of their lungs in Target. We got a few looks. :)

Look at the bright side, you didn’t teach ‘em metal versions of classical childrens songs: ;)

The Wheels On The Bus (metal cover by Leo Moracchioli)

re: #211 KGxvi

Parenting: you did it right

*nods*

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:57:48am

I kind of wince when my 14yo asks if we can listen to his music in the car. I know it’s going to be either Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, or Steely Dan.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:58:20am

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

I kind of wince when my 14yo asks if we can listen to his music in the car. I know it’s going to be either Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, or Steely Dan.

As long as it ain’t the fuckin’ Eagles, man.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 9:59:52am

re: #209 BlueGrl21

Yep.

I used to play The Ramones in the car when my boys were toddlers. They didn’t get Barney or Veggie Tales, they got The Ramones. I taught them how to sing I Wanna Be Sedated.

They would sing it at the top of their lungs in Target. We got a few looks. :)

My cousins little girl was singing the Pogues at that same age. Not sure if she still can but she knew Dirty Old Town.

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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:00:00am

re: #83 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And Richie and the Big Bopper had survived. Richie was the first Hispanic pop star to cross over to the mainstream pop music world, for example. He could have inspired more Latinx influence earlier in American music than has happened.

Fun story about Ritchie Valens. I was working on a textbook/video project and one of the short stories was “La Bamba” written by Gary Soto. We got contact info for one or Ritchie Valens’ aunts and we asked her if she had any photos or other stuff she could take pics of and send us to use in the video. She sent a gigantic carton of original photos, letters, and all kinds of memorabilia. We shot it and sent it all back, but we were amazed at what a trusting soul she was to send us all that original stuff. I can’t find the video right now, but it was quite an experience.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:00:21am

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

I kind of wince when my 14yo asks if we can listen to his music in the car. I know it’s going to be either Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, or Steely Dan.

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:00:41am

re: #185 Dr Lizardo

I would imagine his dad (at the very least) believed in eugenics.

Probably. But my real point is Trump has to be told he is the greatest all the damn time. He even tells himself.

From when we first saw the president have a cabinet and staff meeting and every cabinet and staff member has to start by blowing smoke up his ass to his recent interview with Maggie Haberman and Peter Baker where he was basically crying for more glowing coverage of him, it has been nothing but neediness.

And the con is now he has surrounded himself with “tailors” that tell everyone how great he looks in his new clothes.

We all need to keep yelling: But he’s got no clothes on!

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:01:23am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

As long as it ain’t the fuckin’ Eagles, man.

Ha! Yes (actually, I have a soft spot for some Eagles’ songs.) I’m ok with a couple of Steely Dan and Bob D songs. Never got the Grateful Dead thing.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:02:03am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

I guess it says something that they continue to draw young listeners.

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:02:37am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

That’s about the age. In high school, at the height of the grunge era, I enjoyed the Dead, the Doors, and a bunch of other music from that era as I did the contemporary stuff. In some cases (Nirvana), I liked the classic stuff more than the new stuff

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:03:10am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

As long as it ain’t the fuckin’ Eagles, man.

Brings back memories of Los Angeles AM Radio in the early 80s when Roger Barkley quit while Al Lohman started playing an Eagles record. Barkley told reporters he detested their music and couldn’t take it anymore.

Barkley then went to another station that played elevator music. Eventually moved over to a talk radio gig.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:04:42am

re: #222 Barefoot Grin

I guess it says something that they continue to draw young listeners.

They’re catchy imo but I don’t get the obsession they get.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:05:33am

re: #223 KGxvi

That’s about the age. In high school, at the height of the grunge era, I enjoyed the Dead, the Doors, and a bunch of other music from that era as I did the contemporary stuff. In some cases (Nirvana), I liked the classic stuff more than the new stuff

Yeah. High school was definitely my peak classic rock phase.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:07:42am

re: #218 BeachDem

Fun story about Ritchie Valens. I was working on a textbook/video project and one of the short stories was “La Bamba” written by Gary Soto. We got contact info for one or Ritchie Valens’ aunts and we asked her if she had any photos or other stuff she could take pics of and send us to use in the video. She sent a gigantic carton of original photos, letters, and all kinds of memorabilia. We shot it and sent it all back, but we were amazed at what a trusting soul she was to send us all that original stuff. I can’t find the video right now, but it was quite an experience.

BeachDem…we don’t see enough of you around.

What is your opinion on Sherrod Brown entering the race. Do you think he will do it?

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KGxvi  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:07:45am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

They’re catchy imo but I don’t get the obsession they get.

There are a few acts that generate that kind of loyalty. And you can’t really explain any of them. Jimmy Buffett’s another example… and I say that as a bit of a parrothead myself. Phish probably falls into that category, maybe Dave Matthews Band.

I think, ultimately, it allows listeners a quick escape from the doldrums of their normal life

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:07:45am

re: #210 Belafon

For me it was the Cocteau Twins. Try growing up on country and hair bands and then hearing Victorialand.

Oh, I can just imagine!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:08:11am

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

I kind of wince when my 14yo asks if we can listen to his music in the car. I know it’s going to be either Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, or Steely Dan.

get off my goddamn lawn

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:08:19am

re: #216 Dr Lizardo

As long as it ain’t the fuckin’ Eagles, man.

you too

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:08:24am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Yeah. High school was definitely my peak classic rock phase.

I knew I was getting older when the new music I listened to in high school became labeled as “classic rock”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:08:49am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

all y’all just go hang out on a street corner or something….

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:09:11am

re: #209 BlueGrl21

Yep.

I used to play The Ramones in the car when my boys were toddlers. They didn’t get Barney or Veggie Tales, they got The Ramones. I taught them how to sing I Wanna Be Sedated.

They would sing it at the top of their lungs in Target. We got a few looks. :)

Hah. We used to play The Replacements & Husker Du that way. John could do some of those pretty good.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:09:38am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

My gawd no….keep him away from any psychedelics. Or, he will be a dead head for life.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:11:41am

re: #215 Barefoot Grin

I kind of wince when my 14yo asks if we can listen to his music in the car. I know it’s going to be either Bob Dylan, The Grateful Dead, or Steely Dan.

My son is into this techno/dubstep/electronica stuff that I don’t even know the makers of. I tried to play him some Aphex Twin and he just shrugged. Wasn’t the right thing ;D We did something right that he had to find his own kind of tunes.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:12:00am

re: #223 KGxvi

That’s about the age. In high school, at the height of the grunge era, I enjoyed the Dead, the Doors, and a bunch of other music from that era as I did the contemporary stuff. In some cases (Nirvana), I liked the classic stuff more than the new stuff

every morning we wake up to a cd of:
the beatles
gregg allman
reba
david bromberg
dylan
the doors
leon russell
eric clapton
csny
paul simon
+++

i’ll keep it alive alone if i have to

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:12:02am

re: #231 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

you too

Hey, where is that peaceful easy feeling???

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:13:15am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Yeah my 17 year old kid brother loves The Dead.

When my sister’s family moved into their home almost thirty years ago, they were concerned because the next door neighbor’s driveway was full of vehicles and it was noisy all night. A couple days later the cars had vanished: turned out the neighbors were DeadHeads, the Grateful Dead was playing in the Chicago area, and fans throughout the country were following them.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:15:57am

re: #234 William Lewis

Hah. We used to play The Replacements & Husker Du that way. John could do some of those pretty good.

And it’s nice to see that Bob Mould is still going strong. Last I heard, he’s now living in Portland, Oregon.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:16:55am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Hey, where is that peaceful easy feeling???

I think it’s on that corner in Winslow Az…

And if the gal we had check in the other night from there is any clue, I will agree with the next part of that lyric ;)

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:17:24am

re: #214 Teukka

The flip side is to make lullabys of metal songs.

Enter Sandman - Lullaby Renditions of Metallica - Rockabye Baby!

Head like a hole

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:19:12am

re: #240 Dr Lizardo

And it’s nice to see that Bob Mould is still going strong. Last I heard, he’s now living in Portland, Oregon.

Just came out with a new album too… lead track: Lost Faith

Bob Mould - Lost Faith (Official Music Video)

I still miss Grant though.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:20:45am

re: #236 William Lewis

My son is into this techno/dubstep/electronica stuff that I don’t even know the makers of. I tried to play him some Aphex Twin and he just shrugged. Wasn’t the right thing ;D We did something right that he had to find his own kind of tunes.

That’s my 16 year-old son. 13 year old likes Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Travis Scott. I don’t like any of it and Mom plays her music in her car. They get 80s New Wave or punk. I won’t play Ministry and Skinny Puppy and NIN and my other industrial bands with them in the car. Probably dumb but I won’t do it.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:23:53am

re: #244 BlueGrl21

That’s my 16 year-old son. 13 year old likes Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Travis Scott. I don’t like any of it and Mom plays her music in her car. They get 80s New Wave or punk. I won’t play Ministry and Skinny Puppy and NIN and my other industrial bands with them in the car. Probably dumb but I won’t do it.

That’s the 17yo. He likes Kendrick Lamar and other hip hop artists I don’t know. He’s also found a couple of Chinese rappers he likes even though he doesn’t understand (he likes the way the language sounds). Wife and I have gotten boring: lots of Jason Isbell, Kathleen Edwards, Talking Heads—every once in awhile I’ll pop some American Music Club in.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:24:25am

re: #238 ObserverArt

Hey, where is that peaceful easy feeling???

;-)
i see what you did

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:27:42am

re: #243 William Lewis

He’s still got it!

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:29:19am

re: #245 Barefoot Grin

That’s the 17yo. He likes Kendrick Lamar and other hip hop artists I don’t know. He’s also found a couple of Chinese rappers he likes even though he doesn’t understand (he likes the way the language sounds). Wife and I have gotten boring: lots of Jason Isbell, Kathleen Edwards, Talking Heads—every once in awhile I’ll pop some American Music Club in.

I play a lot of whatever I think sounds good. My middle one likes to tell the story of how his friends were introducing him to this band, and he’d go “Yeah, my dad would have me listen to My Chemical Romance.”

Today, with my younger son, it’s bands like Rainbow Kitten Surprise:

Rainbow Kitten Surprise - Hide [Official Video]

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:30:17am

re: #244 BlueGrl21

That’s my 16 year-old son. 13 year old likes Kendrick Lamar and Drake and Travis Scott. I don’t like any of it and Mom plays her music in her car. They get 80s New Wave or punk. I won’t play Ministry and Skinny Puppy and NIN and my other industrial bands with them in the car. Probably dumb but I won’t do it.

Skinny Puppy! Been a long time since I heard of them.

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:32:39am

I a person could go through the whole of the LGF comments database and find every positively mentioned band, what a musical education that could be.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:35:37am
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BeachDem  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:36:16am

re: #227 ObserverArt

BeachDem…we don’t see enough of you around.

What is your opinion on Sherrod Brown entering the race. Do you think he will do it?

I think he would be great (and of course, Connie as first lady—wow.) I understand the dilemma of losing a Dem senator in Ohio, but I think Sherrod would have wide appeal for being smart, well-spoken, understanding and from a midwest state.

My favorite Sherrod/Connie story that a friend of mine witnessed at a party. Somebody was talking to Connie, not knowing who she was, and said something about Sherrod’s scratchy voice. Connie’s response was (something like) it sounds pretty good coming from the next pillow.

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BigPapa  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:39:33am

re: #248 Belafon

Cool video. Those guys are great.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:40:26am

I was lucky in that I have a bro who is eight years older and was a DJ at his college station. Each summered he’d bring home a big box of promo stuff from Wooster (so it heavily represented the Cleveland (Akron) and Detroit scenes, in addition unheard-of bands like U2, Joy Division, and Echo and the Bunnymen). It made me seem cool in school, which was a stretch.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:40:30am

4 of the 14 are in Texas.

Austin named one of 14 anti-vaccine ‘hotspots’

Austin is one of 14 so-called “hot spots” around the U.S. where there’s a delay or refusal to vaccinate, according to the Public Library of Science (PLOS), a medicine publisher and advocacy organization.

The reason why there is an increase in anti-vaxxers in the Austin area is because a Texas law allows “conscientious exemption.” This means that Texas parents don’t have to have a medical or religious reason to stop their kids from getting vaccinated.

According to the Texas Department of State Health Services, the number of parents requesting that vaccine exemption went up 19 percent in 2018.

The number of exempt students in area schools is still low, but private schools seem to have higher rates, including Austin Waldorf School. Roughly 49 percent of students on that campus haven’t been vaccinated.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:42:20am

re: #250 William Lewis

I a person could go through the whole of the LGF comments database and find every positively mentioned band, what a musical education that could be.

Come for the politics, stay for the music.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:49:07am

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The one that shows Portland (Oregon) should also indicate that the actual source of the outbreak in that area comes from across the Columbia River in Vancouver, WA. There is an absolute shit-ton of anti-vaxxers in Vancouver, WA; a lot of it seems to be coming from evangelical churches and private Christian schools that spread anti-vaxx conspiracy theories, shit like “vaccines are government mind control!” and other ridiculous twaddle.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:54:03am

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

4 of the 14 are in Texas.

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Austin named one of 14 anti-vaccine ‘hotspots’

So is Austin the home of wingnut-moonbat convergence for anti-vaxxers?

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makeitstop  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:56:25am

re: #208 Joe Bacon 🌹

Marky keeps the flame alive on Sirius XM with his Marky Ramone’s Punk Rock Blitzkrieg channel.

Marky also does a Ramones tribute from time to time. We saw them a couple of years ago, with Andrew WK fronting the band. It wasn’t the ‘Mones, but it was a lot of fun.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:57:09am

re: #255 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

4 of the 14 are in Texas.

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Austin named one of 14 anti-vaccine ‘hotspots’

WTF. Troy is upscale. Warren & Detroit are not.

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:57:31am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Perot’s entire campaign focused on national debt; no racism or sexism or social issues. Unlike Trump, he was a self-made legitimate billionaire. Unlike Schultz, his money came from technology — the industry of the future. He was crazy but brilliant.

My brother worked for a tech company that was swallowed by EDS. He said the swallowing process was not done with any sort of plan, or concern for proper function. It was just done for economic reasons, and it destroyed his company for no other reason. After a few years, it was spat back out again, a shadow of itself, and was bought up by Siemens. He thought Perot was ruled by his own whims, and had no respect for him at all.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:57:45am

So not looking tan means bad genes. OK

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retired cynic  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:59:03am

A comment on DT’s upcoming SOTU by “newsobserver1”

Here are my Trump Watching Tips, in the form of a letter to him:
(Useful to have on hand for SOTU Speech)

Mr. Trump:

1) I assume whatever you say is a lie until proven otherwise.
2) I assume whatever you call “fake news” to be true.
3) I assume you are doing whatever you accuse others of doing.
4) I assume anything you say or do is motivated by self-interest and may only coincidentally be in the interests of the country.
5) I assume when you are whining and playing the victim, you’re victimizing some or all of the American People.
6) I assume that everything you say and most of what you do is intentionally designed to manipulate.
7) I note that you always find someone else to blame.

Tips apply to those speaking on your behalf.

With Contempt,
A Concerned American

This article: washingtonpost.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 10:59:49am

re: #261 retired cynic

My brother worked for a tech company that was swallowed by EDS. He said the swallowing process was not done with any sort of plan, or concern for proper function. It was just done for economic reasons, and it destroyed his company for no other reason. After a few years, it was spat back out again, a shadow of itself, and was bought up by Siemens. He thought Perot was ruled by his own whims, and had no respect for him at all.

My last EDS contract was a Y2K job. Then they outsourced themselves overseas. I think HP owns them now.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:01:13am

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

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So not looking tan means bad genes. OK

But not too tan. You have to look like you’ve been tanning and not having been born with a darker skin.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:10:06am

re: #265 Belafon

But not too tan. You have to look like you’ve been tanning and not having been born with a darker skin.

That gene sequence is the called the oompahloompah sequence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:11:27am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:11:56am

re: #266 Barefoot Grin

That gene sequence is the called the oompahloompah sequence.

YouTube

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:12:35am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really brings the ‘know nothing’ to Know-Nothingism.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:15:03am
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Lidane  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:21:11am

It’s Superb Owl time again! Don’t give a damn about the game since I don’t follow either team, but the CEO of my company is a Rams diehard so if they win we all work from home tomorrow since he’ll be hungover. I’ll be watching the commercials and paying passive attention to the score since I want to see if my squares in the office betting pool win.

Go Rams! Give me a Monday workday in my PJs. Haha.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:22:14am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

Reading through the Philip Bump piece Kyle Griffin tweeted, he refers to an interview with Trump where he is asked about the Federal Budget Deficit, and answers with Trade Deficit. Bump says this suggests Trump doesn’t know how the Federal Budget Deficit works - which is likely true enough - but to me it suggests something deeper: Trump sees countries as monolithic units. He rolls the government, the economy including all the businesses, and the people all into one. This is why he says things like “When Mexico sends people”, or that Mexico will pay for the wall with a reduced trade deficit.

Here, he says that reducing the TRADE deficit will decrease the BUDGET deficit, as it America has but a single pot of money, and trade imbalances take money out of EVERYTHING.

Also note he thinks we (the US) have fixed the North Korea problem because he and KJU exchange nice letters. NK is still building nukes, and still building missiles - which was the main problem - but because he and KJU can smile and gladhand, all is well.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:23:02am

re: #266 Barefoot Grin

That gene sequence is the called the oompahloompah sequence.

Ah, yes, the well-known Saccharomyces cerevisiae TCP1-Δ Axl2oompahloopah-14 sequence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:23:07am

moron is silent

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:25:25am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

How is Wade there still alive?

Hmm…..what could it be? There’s something about him, something I just can’t quite put my finger on.

/s

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Interesting Times  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:25:38am

That last line of her tweet, tho - brilliant bumper sticker slogan for these times:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:27:30am

re: #275 Dr Lizardo

How is Wade there still alive?

Hmm…..what could it be? There’s something about him, something I just can’t quite put my finger on.

/s

I was just thinking about how much vitriol there would be if the dude was named Lashawn or Hussein.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:27:46am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

“…In May 2018, Winn was arrested on charges of carrying a concealed weapon, drug possession and driving with a suspended license, court records state. All of those charged were dropped.

In June, Winn was arrested for improperly handling firearms in a motor vehicle. He was sentenced to five days in jail and one month of probation, according to court records.”cincinnati.com

If Wade had been black in Waller County, TX, he would already have ‘hanged himself’ in a jail cell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:28:25am

re: #274 Backwoods_Sleuth

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moron is silent

Supposedly, it started off as a psych call.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:29:36am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:30:56am

re: #276 Interesting Times

That last line of her tweet, tho - brilliant bumper sticker slogan for these times:

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The replies on the original Bloomberg tweet are pretty entertaining.

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Alephnaught  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:32:20am

re: #210 Belafon

For me it was the Cocteau Twins. Try growing up on country and hair bands and then hearing Victorialand.

Blimey, I remember doing Maths homework when “Lazy Calm” from that album came on the radio! I’d heard the Cocteaus before, but this was on a totally different level.

Cocteau Twins - Lazy Calm

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:32:34am

re: #277 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m pretty sure I’m looking at his FB page - same county in Ohio too - and he hasn’t posted anything for over a year.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:33:58am

re: #267 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It remains unclear if Trump fully understands how the federal debt works

No
It
Doesnt

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:38:16am

Union president Gamaldi directly threatened “activists.”
Houston police chief says union president went ‘over the top’ with comments following shooting

After a shooting injured five Houston police officers earlier this week, Chief Art Acevedo called the union president’s fiery response to the attack “over the top” during a press conference on Thursday.

The shooting, which left four officers shot, another injured, and two suspects dead in a failed drug raid in southeast Houston on Monday, was among the most violent incidents for Houston police in recent history.

Houston police Chief Art Acevedo said Houston Police Union President Joe Gamaldi went “over the top” with his remarks about a shooting that left five officers injured earlier this week.

During a Monday night press conference, Union President Joe Gamaldi made an emotional call to end police shootings. Then he took aim at “the ones out there spreading the rhetoric that police officers are the enemy.”

“Well just know that we’ve all got your number now,” Gamaldi said. “We’re going to be keeping track of all of y’all, and we’re gonna make sure that we hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”

Gamaldi appeared on Fox & Friends just two days later and doubled down on those comment, calling out “activists who have severely made our officers the enemy.”

“They’ve put targets on our backs,” he told the national news outlet.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:39:54am

Time to call it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:40:40am

re: #272 Blind Frog Belly White

Reading through the Philip Bump piece Kyle Griffin tweeted, he refers to an interview with Trump where he is asked about the Federal Budget Deficit, and answers with Trade Deficit. Bump says this suggests Trump doesn’t know how the Federal Budget Deficit works - which is likely true enough - but to me it suggests something deeper: Trump sees countries as monolithic units. He rolls the government, the economy including all the businesses, and the people all into one. This is why he says things like “When Mexico sends people”, or that Mexico will pay for the wall with a reduced trade deficit.

Here, he says that reducing the TRADE deficit will decrease the BUDGET deficit, as it America has but a single pot of money, and trade imbalances take money out of EVERYTHING.

Also note he thinks we (the US) have fixed the North Korea problem because he and KJU exchange nice letters. NK is still building nukes, and still building missiles - which was the main problem - but because he and KJU can smile and gladhand, all is well.

Respectfully this give him too much credit for thinking

He doesn’t listen so doesn’t get the question mostly never
He makes up his own reality about everything
he’s not well educated and chooses neihert to learn or be told anything
He merely pretends he already knows stuff- like some people who can’t read find ways to fake it

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:45:31am

re: #276 Interesting Times

That last line of her tweet, tho - brilliant bumper sticker slogan for these times:

Yacht owners with priceless art need to beware of flying champagne corks

sometimes i just wonder about writers….

do people on dry land with priceless art need to beware of flying champagne corks?

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:49:17am

To no one’s surprise, though the Brexiteers keep denying it:

Sinn Fein leader wants new referendum on united Ireland if there’s a hard Brexit

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:51:53am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:53:05am
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:53:05am

re: #290 Belafon

Oh, come on. The guy’s only been wrong 60% of the time. That’s less than some meteorologists, let alone politicians.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:53:38am

the “president” is fucking awol

Leaked Schedule Shows Extent of Trump’s ‘Executive Time’

the story is at axios. here’s the entire clip from politicalwire.com

A White House source leaked President Trump’s private schedules since the midterm elections to Axios, showing that Trump has spent around 60% of the last three months in “Executive Time.”

Jonathan Swan: “Trump, an early riser, usually spends the first 5 hours of the day in Executive Time. Each day’s schedule places Trump in ‘Location: Oval Office’ from 8 to 11 a.m. But Trump, who often wakes before 6 a.m., is never in the Oval during those hours, according to six sources with direct knowledge.”

“Instead, he spends his mornings in the residence, watching TV, reading the papers, and responding to what he sees and reads by phoning aides, members of Congress, friends, administration officials and informal advisers.”

THIS is why my re: #287 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

he doesnt READ anything
he doesnt LEARN anything
not a briefing book, analysis, nothing.

he’s not even phoning it in
he’s not doing the job

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:56:21am
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 11:57:19am

re: #293 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:00:43pm

re: #293 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

the “president” is fucking awol

Leaked Schedule Shows Extent of Trump’s ‘Executive Time’

the story is at axios. here’s the entire clip from politicalwire.com

THIS is why my

he doesnt READ anything
he doesnt LEARN anything
not a briefing book, analysis, nothing.

he’s not even phoning it in
he’s not doing the job

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:01:55pm
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BigPapa  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:03:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:03:43pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

George Lincoln Rockwell had his American Nazi Party hq not far at all from where my dad grew up.

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:06:01pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:08:18pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Union president Gamaldi directly threatened “activists.”
Houston police chief says union president went ‘over the top’ with comments following shooting

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jaunte  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:12:15pm

re: #285 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

“Well just know that we’ve all got your number now,” Gamaldi said. “We’re going to be keeping track of all of y’all, and we’re gonna make sure that we hold you accountable every time you stir the pot on our police officers.”

The amazing part is how justified he feels in openly telling everyone he’s going to be spying on his own personal enemies list.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:16:52pm
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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:17:46pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:25:07pm

re: #284 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

No
It
Doesnt

See that’s THE thing.

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Belafon  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:27:28pm

re: #305 Belafon

I’m saving this as a response:

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:28:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:28:59pm

re: #308 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

God will just build a new planet.//

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:29:26pm

re: #308 DodgerFan1988

Because people are lazy and just want cheap shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:29:31pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

oh wait…she’s serious?

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:32:24pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

Trump: I don’t know if you know this or not, but Roger wasn’t on my campaign.

Us: We know it, you just fucking told us three seconds ago you twit!

Repeat it, repeat it…maybe it’ll stick. Total witch-hunt. Total witch-hunt. Maybe it’ll stick.

He always has to look off at the camera too. I guess he is checking to make sure he is on.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:37:11pm

I do not know who decided this series of programs on WHYY today but I am enjoying Bob Ross and those happy little clouds.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:37:30pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:37:38pm

re: #313 PhillyPretzel

I do not know who decided this series of programs on WHYY today but I am enjoying Bob Ross and those happy little clouds.

Bob Ross is good people.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:45:55pm

re: #315 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Bob Ross is good people.

You might want to use past tense. He died in ‘95.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:46:49pm

re: #316 ObserverArt

You might want to use past tense. He died in ‘95.

Bob Ross is forever

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freetoken  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:46:59pm

re: #314 Joe Bacon 🌹

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:47:04pm

re: #316 ObserverArt

True. But PBS brings him back on TV like today and it is a very beautiful thing. :)

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William Lewis  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:48:11pm

re: #316 ObserverArt

You might want to use past tense. He died in ‘95.

As long as his show remains, so to does he.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:48:33pm

re: #320 William Lewis

As long as his show remains, so to does he.

My point exactly.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:49:34pm

re: #243 William Lewis

Just came out with a new album too… lead track: Lost Faith

[Embedded content]

Video

I still miss Grant though.

I’m not paranoid…

By the way, I understand that ‘eis’ in German translates to ‘ICE’ in English. I’ll let our actual lizard German speakers beyond that.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:51:45pm

re: #314 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:53:31pm

Kevin Kruse pwns Charlie Kirk for the eleventy bazillionth time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:55:33pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Kevin Kruse pwns Charlie Kirk for the eleventy bazillionth time.

[Embedded content]

Kirk makes it too easy. Charlie tell your ignorant readers how Justice Black ruled on Civil Rights. Hint more progressive than Rehnquist and most conservative justices.

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ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:57:16pm

re: #320 William Lewis

As long as his show remains, so to does he.

You realize in some manner Trump’s The Apprentice will be shown on TV too. And videos of him as president.

/

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ThomasLite  Feb 3, 2019 • 12:59:10pm

re: #322 ckkatz

I’m not paranoid…

By the way, I understand that ‘eis’ in German translates to ‘ICE’ in English. I’ll let our actual lizard German speakers beyond that.

‘eis’ translates to ice. Closest to ‘ICE’ would be the BAMF (Federal department for migration and refugees).
Maybe I’m missing some context? (Also, native Dutch speaker rather than German but confident enough on this one).

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:04:36pm

re: #324 The Vicious Babushka

Kevin Kruse pwns Charlie Kirk for the eleventy bazillionth time.

Damn. That was a good read.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:05:12pm

re: #328 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Damn. That was a good read.

Kruse is a good historian. I need to read more of his work.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:10:43pm

re: #327 ThomasLite

‘eis’ translates to ice. Closest to ‘ICE’ would be the BAMF (Federal department for migration and refugees).
Maybe I’m missing some context? (Also, native Dutch speaker rather than German but confident enough on this one).

Thanks!

The black clad and hooded ‘agents’ in the video had labels of “EIS”.

331
Scottish Dragon  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:15:07pm

re: #43 Dave In Austin

[Embedded content]

Posted this to FB. Brilliant.

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lawhawk  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:15:33pm

re: #308 DodgerFan1988

The Earth will survive global warming or global cooling.

People, on the other hand, are fucked.

/George Carlin

333
ObserverArt  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:19:32pm

re: #328 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Damn. That was a good read.

re: #329 HappyWarrior

Kruse is a good historian. I need to read more of his work.

He’s great, but the problem is people like Kirk are not going to learn. They have already firmed up their positions, even at their young age.

Though I don’t know if that is due to outlook and what they have been taught, current political fashion, or on purpose for attention and business.

But facts don’t matter.

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ThomasLite  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:21:08pm

re: #330 ckkatz

Thanks!

The black clad and hooded ‘agents’ in the video had labels of “EIS”.

Huh. A further search does yield the Europol Information System but aside from that I really can’t find any German enforcement service or department with that acronym.

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ckkatz  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:27:08pm

re: #334 ThomasLite

Huh. A further search does yield the Europol Information System but aside from that I really can’t find any German police-ey service or department with that acronym.

Just like you, my first question was whether it makes sense in any but a domestic US context. Like you, I did not find any other context.

336
Danack  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:29:46pm

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

I went to work at EDS the same year it was acquired by GM. There were a bunch of GM IT professionals who were so pissed off that they actually started a movement to join the UAW but union wasn’t equipped to deal with an influx of salaried professionals who made more than the line workers.

Do you know if any books telling the inside story about this acquisition were ever published?

I have a (morbid) fascination with how technology companies fail at scale, and would love to read about.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 3, 2019 • 1:36:17pm

re: #310 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Because people are lazy and just want cheap shit.

Does not explain the effort and cost of the “rolling coal” phenomenon. Those fuckers are crazy with a side of obnoxious.


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