The Bob Cesca Podcast: Executive Time

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Executive Time — NSFW; Buzz Burbank from Buzz Burbank News and Comment is here; The State of the Union tonight; AIDS cure; Trump’s daily schedule leaked by White House staffer; Trump’s executive time; Trump refuses to listen to his intelligence briefers; The Face the Nation interview; A wonderful kindergarten; The Mueller Report; Prosecutors subpoena Trump’s inaugural committee; Ralph Northam and Justin Fairfax; and so much more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:45:09pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:45:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:45:54pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’d be so proud to vote for her were I living in Georgia.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:46:40pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:47:01pm

She is landing punch after punch on Creamsicleass!

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:47:12pm

Republicans attacking Abrams for owing money to the IRS is hilarious considering they’re doing everything they can to destroy the IRS.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:47:32pm

I seriously hope she runs against Perdue in 2020.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:47:33pm

Tonight, Stacey Abrams became a bona fide star.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:48:22pm

re: #6 Ace Rothstein

Republicans attacking Abrams for owing money to the IRS is hilarious considering they’re doing everything they can to destroy the IRS.

How much does Trump owe the IRS? Oh wait he didn’t release that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:48:35pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:48:39pm

I’m so old I never thought I would live to see my country so terribly misled. Mismanaged. Diminished.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:48:47pm

re: #8 Myron Falwell

Tonight, Stacey Abrams became a bona fide star.

Props to Schumer for choosing her.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:49:24pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

She is landing punch after punch on Creamsicleass!

And on the GOP.

She’s the response we need and deserve.

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Chrysicat  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:49:44pm

re: #8 Myron Falwell

Tonight, Stacey Abrams became a bona fide star.

OTOH, we said that about Joseph Kennedy III last year and he’s not even in the primary field for President…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:50:44pm

That was very, very well done

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:51:03pm

re: #14 Chrysicat

OTOH, we said that about Joseph Kennedy III last year and he’s not even in the primary field for President…

He could still get a spot on the team. I think he spoke last year to introduce a Kennedy for a new generation.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:51:06pm

Thank you, Stacey.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:51:07pm

Nice.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:51:41pm

Republicans are worthless.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:52:27pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:53:04pm

The middle one (also to be filed under “lives the so-called ‘pro-life’ movement is perfectly happy to sacrifice”):

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:53:34pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:55:25pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:55:31pm

re: #22 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Source close to @staceyabrams says she didn’t watch the President’s speech — and indeed she focused on his policies not his words tonight. Source also says Abrams wrote the speech herself.

Wise decision on her part. And it came straight from the heart, you tend to do that if you write your own words.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:56:01pm

re: #23 Scottish Dragon

Yes.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:56:03pm
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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:56:50pm

re: #23 Scottish Dragon

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And the best part is, we know it’s not a response to the SOTU - she didn’t watch - but to the president.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:57:50pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:58:56pm

re: #23 Scottish Dragon

It was a total upstaging of Trump’s meandering mess of an address. And she delivered it perfectly and professionally, with no gaffes.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 7:59:01pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:00:02pm

Damn, Alexandria just laid out a nice comeback to Trump’s warning of oncoming socialism. She said it is not about any ism, it is about doing what is right for the people in things like jobs/wages, healthcare, education, etc. She said Trump wants to frame it that way because he is losing the country and the Republicans are struggling.

And she did it without any extra coloring, anger, arrogance…just straight up. She is polished.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:00:41pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:00:55pm

INTIMATED SOCIALISM
*Jaws music*

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:01:19pm

re: #30 jaunte

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What’s missing Dana is that we can’t get it done alone. And so called big government is vital to society becoming one of haves and have nots . You’re a fraud as is your organization.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:02:03pm

re: #31 ObserverArt

Damn, Alexandria just laid out a nice comeback to Trump’s warning of oncoming socialism. She said it is not about any ism, it is about doing what is right for the people in things like jobs/wages, healthcare, education, etc. She said Trump wants to frame it that way because he is losing the country and the Republicans are struggling.

And she did it without any extra coloring, anger, arrogance…just straight up. She is polished.

We’ve got a great bunch of people in our party.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:02:37pm

re: #30 jaunte

If Dr Zoom is not doing some opaque snark, he’s simply wrong about the WWII draft.

nationalww2museum.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:02:53pm

re: #30 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:03:42pm

Dana’s an idiot. She sounds even stupider talking about socialism than guns.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:03:59pm

re: #30 jaunte

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No Draft in WWII? What kind of revisionist bulkshit is this?

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:04:03pm

re: #29 Myron Falwell

It was a total upstaging of Trump’s meandering mess of an address. And she delivered it perfectly and professionally, with no gaffes.

She is better than Trump at delivering a speech by a factor of 100…or more.

And if she did write it, nice job. Good flow and covered all her bases in her ten minute allotment.

She is going to be in another political office soon. And the Democrats must know it having given her this shot tonight. Good job all.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:04:36pm

re: #36 Decatur Deb

If Dr Zoom is not doing some opaque snark, he’s simply wrong about the WWII draft.

nationalww2museum.org

It’s opaque snark. Note “donated tanks”

Mind you, I have read wingnuts say that we won WWII because the Government “unleashed” American corporations, when in fact what happened is they LEASHED those corporations.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:04:43pm

re: #39 austin_blue

I believe he’s indulging in a bit of sarcasm.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:04:47pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:05:16pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:05:59pm

Not watching anything right now, just following along here - what was the context of this particular Abrams line? I must admit, it makes me reflexively cringe since it seems like normalizing the abhorrently abnormal (I mean…hell yes, I want the ambulatory orange sack of toxic waste to fail at his ongoing kleptocracy, corruption, environmental destruction…)

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:06:03pm

re: #39 austin_blue

No Draft in WWII? What kind of revisionist bulkshit is this?

His whole quote is a spoof.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:06:22pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:06:37pm

re: #42 jaunte

I believe he’s indulging in a bit of sarcasm.

His whole statement is snark.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:07:28pm

re: #42 jaunte

I believe he’s indulging in a bit of sarcasm.

One hopes so. Although my Mom’s dad, serving in the Seabees in the Pacific, did donate a tank. Granted it was a 5-gallon gas tank, but still. Everything helps.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:07:31pm

re: #41 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s opaque snark. Note “donated tanks”

Mind you, I have read wingnuts say that we won WWII because the Government “unleashed” American corporations, when in fact what happened is they LEASHED those corporations.

The donated tanks thing misled me—tanks and planes were donated, usually by factory worker collections and such.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:07:48pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:07:59pm

re: #39 austin_blue

No Draft in WWII? What kind of revisionist bulkshit is this?

He used….sarcasm!

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:08:00pm

re: #46 Interesting Times

Not watching anything right now, just following along here - what was the context of this particular Abrams line? I must admit, it makes me reflexively cringe since it seems like normalizing the abhorrently abnormal (I mean…hell yes, I want the ambulatory orange sack of toxic waste to fail at his ongoing kleptocracy, corruption, environmental destruction…)

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She’s talking about the President. Note, at least in this sentence, she’s not specifically mentioning Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:08:30pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Not enough racism for Ann I guess.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:08:30pm

re: #53 Blind Frog Belly White

He used….sarcasm!

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Badly.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:08:40pm

Check out the bullied kid’s reaction to the Speech!

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:09:01pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Badly.

I thought it was pretty clear.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:09:02pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

Perfect.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:09:17pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

Check out the bullied kid’s reaction to the Speech!

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He is a Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:09:25pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

Check out the bullied kid’s reaction to the Speech!

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You know Trump will be complaining about that.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:20pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

Badly.

Well, I got it….

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:22pm

re: #46 Interesting Times

Not watching anything right now, just following along here - what was the context of this particular Abrams line? I must admit, it makes me reflexively cringe since it seems like normalizing the abhorrently abnormal (I mean…hell yes, I want the ambulatory orange sack of toxic waste to fail at his ongoing kleptocracy, corruption, environmental destruction…)

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After she laid out all her points see started summing up with that line. I think it was a signal to people scared about Democrats getting power. It was a calming device.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:33pm
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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:37pm

Deeply adept isn’t what it used to be.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:10:52pm

re: #62 jaunte

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Peg, have you been drinking with Reagan’s ghost again?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:11:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:11:19pm

re: #65 DodgerFan1988

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Exactly

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:11:29pm

re: #62 jaunte

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Jesus Christ on a crutch. I think she must have lost a bet.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:11:45pm

re: #52 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

hahahahahahahaha Ann’s off her meds again

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:12:43pm

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Waterfordgate.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:12:44pm

re: #71 Myron Falwell

hahahahahahahaha Ann’s off her meds again

Coulter going full Trump hater is funny. I hope she gets to live a child of a refugee elected President. We already actually have some former refugees in office.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:13:03pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Peg, have you been drinking with Reagan’s ghost again?

FTFY

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:13:34pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:14:04pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Waterfordgate.

Boehner Bling.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:14:21pm

re: #57 Joe Bacon 🌹

That kid is all of us.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:14:36pm

If Trump had been around back in the day…

The One Hundred Years War would’ve lasted four seconds, tops.

J.R.R. Tolkien’s “The Two Towers” would’ve been “The Very Beautiful and Extremely Tall Trump Moscow Tower”.

Genghis Khan’s Golden Horde would’ve been Trump’s Golden Toilet Bowl.

Fred Trump and the KKK would’ve invaded the USSR before Hitler.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:14:59pm

re: #77 Ace Rothstein

That kid is all of us.

He is left-leaning.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:15:08pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

I went for a long walk is it over, please tell me it’s over.

Starz has picked up the pilot for a series.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:15:18pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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It was worse than you can possibly imagine.

The Democratic riposte, though, was pretty killer bee.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:15:38pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:17:04pm

Jesus wept.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:17:56pm

re: #83 DodgerFan1988

Jesus wept.

Lol did they only poll 20 people in Vinton County, Ohio?

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Renaissance_Man  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:18:30pm

re: #83 DodgerFan1988

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Jesus wept.

Who would watch such a thing who wasn’t already a Trumper?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:18:51pm

re: #83 DodgerFan1988

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Jesus wept.

Yeah I’m not buying that.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:18:56pm

re: #82 jaunte

Pence is really showcasing his facial expressions up there.

He’s in a room full of Democratic women. He’s focusing on a crumbling brick wall.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:18:57pm

re: #82 jaunte

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Aww, that is not fair.

Pence has that other face too. The “oh Donald” face.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:19:06pm
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:19:50pm

re: #84 Myron Falwell

Lol did they only poll 20 people in Vinton County, Ohio?

Mostly only his cult were viewers—the rest of us depended on a few brave souls relaying it to us….

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:19:53pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

They’re all wearing white; he probably finds that disturbing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:20:13pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:20:21pm

re: #82 jaunte

His facial range is similar to Tucker “Constipation” Carlson’s facial range.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:21:12pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Shut Mar a Lago down.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:21:39pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:21:40pm

re: #83 DodgerFan1988

The only thing less meaningful than overnight polls is the crappy flavor contained within a jar of Crunch Time peanut butter. Dang, that stuff is awful!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:22:12pm

re: #93 Myron Falwell

His facial range is similar to Tucker “Constipation” Carlson’s facial range.

It’s the face that knows mother knows about the gay porn stash.

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:22:12pm

re: #84 Myron Falwell

Lol did they only poll 20 people in Vinton County, Ohio?

Now Myron, you know that isn’t the case.

They did 100 people and included Meigs and Jackson counties too.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:22:20pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Shut Mar a Lago down.

And put Guadalajara out of work?

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:22:56pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:23:06pm

re: #99 Decatur Deb

And put Guadalajara out of work?

They’ll find new better paying jobs.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:23:28pm

re: #100 jaunte

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He’s a pig.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:23:46pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

They’ll find new better paying jobs.

Re-painting the wall.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:23:55pm

re: #92 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Nancy Pelosi tomorrow morning:

“Any continuing resolutions or budgets henceforth will no longer include any items for the executive branch to travel unnecessarily until this accounting of his trips to Mar a Lago are explained and accounted for.”

Wouldn’t that be a kick in the groin for Trumpy.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:25:20pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The first SOTU that was all about one man’s fear of investigation.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:26:31pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

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I myself this very night wore sufergeatte wh;t,e, which in my wacky world is called variations of brown and green. Did I pass the Ivanka Patronizing Test?

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:28:28pm

re: #98 ObserverArt

Now Myron, you know that isn’t the case.

They did 100 people and included Meigs and Jackson counties too.

Ha!

They also included Van Wert County to round it off just a bit.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:31:08pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:32:13pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

Tiffany will be the only one not thrown in prison at the end of the day, she should run… away, far, far away.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:32:19pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

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I would be blazed too if I had to go on that network.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:32:49pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

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Josh speaks for all of us.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:34:08pm

PBS is now airing Secrets of the Royal Bedchamber. Bedbugs should be featured. And syphilis.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:36:25pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Is that Eric Bolling interviewing sloshed Sean Spicer? That’s a shame, I forgot he was still alive.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:36:51pm

re: #95 Ace-o-aces

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Stupid — that’s what we do, that’s what we market. Most of the world has known that for like forever, but just thought I’d remind my fellow American citizens.

Oh, and by the way…

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:39:47pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I would be blazed too if I had to go on that network.

Glenn “the Human Hemorrhoid” Beck and Mark “I nominate Rush Limbaugh for the Nobel Peace Prize” Levin run it. It’s impossible to determine which is the crazier one.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:40:01pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:40:33pm

I’m gonna need more weed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:42:07pm

re: #115 Myron Falwell

Glenn “the Human Hemorrhoid” Beck and Mark “I nominate Rush Limbaugh for the Nobel Peace Prize” Levin run it. It’s impossible to determine which is the crazier one.

Levin. Beck sometimes accidentally can be reasonable.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:42:46pm

re: #116 Single-handed sailor

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:45:44pm

So did anyone watch Bernies bullshit response?

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gwangung  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:46:36pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

So did anyone watch Bernies bullshit response?

Who? 😗

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ObserverArt  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:47:06pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Josh speaks for all of us.

Poor kid seems so traumatized by all the bullying.

It keeps him up at night.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:47:37pm

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

So did anyone watch Bernies bullshit response?

Someone remembered to wake Bernie up?

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:51:04pm

In other news, Austin had it’s first electric scooter death of the year. On Saturday a man riding a Lime Scooter turned northbound on the southbound I-35 frontage and was struck by a car. The victim was leaving the 6th Street entertainment district after 2 AM.

The driver that struck him had the right-of-way and stayed at the scene. He was sober and distraught, according to police.

He was also an Uber driver. Irony is dead.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:53:22pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:54:12pm

Cartoonist Roz Chast is a fricking genius. I chatted her up at a Lower East Side NYC party 30+ years ago and I’m still chuckling about the witty goofy things she said.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:57:06pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 8:59:22pm

re: #127 jaunte

The ties that bind.

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jaunte  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:02:33pm

re: #128 De Kolta Chair

Every pattern from solid to stripes and back again.

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gocart mozart  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:03:40pm
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gwangung  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:05:25pm

re: #130 gocart mozart

The kind of receipts you want to see from a civil rights leader….

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Charles Johnson  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:06:17pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:08:45pm

“I’m coming for you, fat man.”

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:08:46pm

Barry Blitt

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:09:36pm

What the hell is going on with Trump’s tie?

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TedStriker  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:10:08pm

re: #127 jaunte

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:14:41pm

re: #135 Ace Rothstein

What the hell is going on with Trump’s tie?

It’s directly connected to the Kremlin, so it’s made of the strongest, most beautiful. strongliest material on earth: Putinium!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:30:48pm

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:33:12pm

re: #138 Joe Bacon 🌹

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LoL — The lightest substance on earth!

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:35:09pm

re: #139 De Kolta Chair

LoL — The lightest substance on earth!

Small, shriveled, dry, and hanging on a hook at Nancy’s house.

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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:36:45pm

re: #136 TedStriker

“Check it out, he’s bald and queer looking!” The humor section in my 1970’s Arizona college newspaper was far more sophisticated. Fail.

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TedStriker  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:36:59pm

re: #140 austin_blue

Small, shriveled, dry, and hanging on a hook at Nancy’s house.

With a special lockbox for them when she’s not wearing them as a trophy…

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TedStriker  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:37:44pm

re: #141 De Kolta Chair

“Check it out, he’s bald and queer looking.” The “humor” in my 1970’s Arizona college newspaper was more sophisticated. Fail.

My comment was about the guy beside him in the green tie.

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austin_blue  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:38:47pm

re: #143 TedStriker

My comment was about the guy beside him in the green tie.

Same response. Be nice.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:39:51pm
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De Kolta Chair  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:40:34pm

re: #143 TedStriker

My comment was about the guy beside him in the green tie.

Dang, I thought that was Zombie General Wesley Clarke, future ruler of the United Zombie Republics.

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Belafon  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:43:07pm

This is an image I was hoping to see. It’s hilarious that this is all in response to Trump acknowledging all of the women:

Maybe, when the Secret Service arrests him, he can also talk about how there’s never been that many police at the White House.

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gwangung  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:47:21pm

re: #147 Belafon

This is an image I was hoping to see. It’s hilarious that this is all in response to Trump acknowledging all of the women:

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Maybe, when the Secret Service arrests him, he can also talk about how there’s never been that many police at the White House.

And a lot of wingnuts are protesting that this was actually a bi-partisan moment.

Snicker.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 5, 2019 • 9:47:31pm

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 5, 2019 • 10:14:10pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 5, 2019 • 10:56:54pm

From downstairs…

re: #104 mmmirele

In other news, Elizabeth Warren’s bar card application for the state of Texas has surfaced and she put “American Indian” for her ethnicity.

This is the deal. My late father was born in Oklahoma and I can’t even tell you how many of my paternal relatives of the same generation didn’t believe they had some Indian blood. It wasn’t until recently, when I had a DNA test done, that I found out I was 63 percent English/Scots/Irish and 36 percent French/German. In other words, freaking white, purer than white Ivory soap.

I can cut Warren a lot of slack on that, because I heard the same damn thing growing up. Right now I’m giving idiots hell on Twitter but fixing to start blocking people because they don’t get how incredibly pervasive that myth was in the latter half of the 20th century. Also, all those people who believed it are now dead. We who now know better have to go out and DO better.

The Republicans elected a man whose flaws would have destroyed any other candidate — a man who could say or do anything and still not lose any supporters. The MSM, in effect, collaborated with his campaign instead of doing their due diligence.

The Democrats are in a situation where our candidate has to be pristine with no blemish in their record because they will be torn apart by the media — both RW which will exaggerate every fault and also the MSM which was lazy in 2016 and may still not have fully learned its lesson. Unfortunately, it appears that Warren will be the first victim of this need for purity among Democrats.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 5, 2019 • 11:22:33pm
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 5, 2019 • 11:39:19pm

re: #132 Charles Johnson

Heh. Looks like Loomer’s wingnut welfare gravy train has just derailed.

Good.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 5, 2019 • 11:58:04pm

re: #153 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Looks like Loomer’s wingnut welfare gravy train has just derailed.

Good.

She’s the latest wingnut to discover that words and actions have consequences. If you violate the terms of service of a company, they have the contractual obligation to deny you service. They of course are blaming leftists and SWJs instead of their own actions for the loss of their gravy train.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2019 • 12:59:11am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:55:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 1:59:33am

re: #30 jaunte

It’s very important we remember WWII was won by people who freely chose to donate tanks, planes, and guns to the troops, who all volunteered without a draft. No big government in those days.

What the fuck is this asshole talking about?

Government ran or regulated nearly every aspect of life and work during WW2

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:01:17am

re: #44 jaunte

Many Americans hand-crafted fighter planes at home then sent them to English airbases. Schoolchildren collected pennies to pay for the postage!

Okay, Poe’s Law, he is taking the major piss and DL bought into it without questioning…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:07:56am

re: #133 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Who knew clapping could convey rage, disdain and threats of revenge…

Remember when President Lukaschenka of Byelarus banned public displays of applause?

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:13:24am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:23:46am
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:50:45am
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2019 • 2:59:20am

I remember that day, I was walking to BART from school in SF and it was snowing on me on Market Street. When the train came out of the Berkeley Hills tunnel the town of Orinda looked like any town in the Sierra in winter. White snow covering the trees and ground about 6 inches thick.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:20:35am

re: #68 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’s a fucking pen and inkwell set. Sweet Cthulhu, those people are dumb.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:42:49am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s a fucking pen and inkwell set. Sweet Cthulhu, those people are dumb.

I am sure he is aware of that, he assumes that his audiences will get a rise out of it.

That is how people like Ben S and Jim H do things.

it is about winning and ending arguments, it is not about having a discussion.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:48:20am

Catching up on today’s earlier threads and followed the “Trayvon should be 25” thread down a rabbit hole:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:48:53am

re: #164 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s a fucking pen and inkwell set. Sweet Cthulhu, those people are dumb.

Standard equipment for the Speaker of the House.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:57:02am

re: #166 Chrysicat

Catching up on today’s earlier threads and followed the “Trayvon should be 25” thread down a rabbit hole:

Point was, in Zimerman’s mind, that young black fellow had no reason being in his neighborhood except as a burglar.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:05:31am

re: #168 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Point was, in Zimerman’s mind, that young black fellow had no reason being in his neighborhood except as a burglar.

Exactly. At least at that time, it wasn’t obvious that 57% of white people agreed with him, although the original debate started to make it so.
Then Trump allowed the last ones who’d been shutting up to start advertising.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:14:05am

re: #157 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What the fuck is this asshole talking about?

Government ran or regulated nearly every aspect of life and work during WW2

Zoom writes for Wonkette; that’s the tell. It’s sarcasm.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:15:24am

At the very least Zimmerman acted negligently when he ignored the dispatcher’s instructions. His behavior since the acquittal shows to me that he gets violent too. This was a miscarriage for sure. Trayvon deserves better.

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jeffreyw  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:30:37am

Good morning!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:33:17am

ICYMI

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:35:26am

re: #173 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

ICYMI

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Most pathetic lackey ever. I think Jagoff liked when Trump praised Kim Jong Un the most.

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bd(Enquiring minds want to know!)  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:36:22am

Good morning Lizards, is it safe to come back yet?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:38:32am

re: #173 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:38:34am

And continuing to catch up with the afternoon thread:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:13:03am

re: #177 Chrysicat

Look again at that photo. That bus is on the ARIZONA side of the border and so’s the razor wire. That means the people it’s meant to keep from crossing the wall are on ‘our’ side of it. Always suspected the wall was to keep people in, now sure of it.

I assume it is there to keep people from trying to crawl over and descend over the wall. And they cannot rightly put the razor wire up on the Mexican side.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:18:10am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume it is there to keep people from trying to crawl over and descend over the wall. And they cannot rightly put the razor wire up on the Mexican side.

Or it might be Occam’s Razor(wire) is accurate here. But I don’t want to argue, I just don’t want to die in a camp because we can’t get these Russophiles out of power before they open.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:30:20am

re: #178 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I assume it is there to keep people from trying to crawl over and descend over the wall. And they cannot rightly put the razor wire up on the Mexican side.

It’s function us to give Trump pictures to look at.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:31:31am

re: #180 Belafon

It’s function us to give Trump pictures to look at.

He wants to know that the troops he has sent there have been keeping busy Making America Great Again

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:41:01am

“this a campaign stop or is this a State of the Union?” - AOC, responding to the SOTU.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:46:52am

Half of the 3-week budget extension is past. Anyone see any action against the 15 Feb expiration?

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:47:41am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Half of the 3-week budget extension is past. Anyone see any action against the 15 Feb expiration?

I believe they’re trying to threaten our credit rating as a country.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:48:56am

re: #182 Belafon

“this a campaign stop or is this a State of the Union?” - AOC, responding to the SOTU.

The world is conspiring to make me fall in love with AOC.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:50:25am

re: #184 Belafon

I believe they’re trying to threaten our credit rating as a country.

Oh, that’s way down the road—-when the debt ceiling extortion starts around 1 Mar.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:50:35am

re: #185 Sir John Barron

The world is conspiring to make me fall in love with AOC.

My ultimate fantasy is a threesome with her and Sarah Kendzior

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:51:00am

re: #186 Decatur Deb

Oh, that’s way down the road—-when the debt ceiling extortion starts around 1 Mar.

Again, that is seen as a desirable thing by certain people

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:53:25am

re: #148 gwangung

And a lot of wingnuts are protesting that this was actually a bi-partisan moment.

Snicker.

HES SO BIPARTISAN END THE HOAX RUSSIA INVESTIGATION LYING MUELLER ANGRY DEMOCRATS NO UNITY WHILE INVESTIGATING ARE MAGA POTUS!!!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:54:14am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Again, that is seen as a desirable thing by certain people

There used to be months between impulses to say something really stupid on the InterTubes. Not so much any more.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:55:05am

re: #187 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My ultimate fantasy is a threesome with her and Sarah Kendzior

Asha Rangappa for me. I will gladly serve them breakfast in bed whilst we talk politics.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:57:35am

re: #115 Myron Falwell

Glenn “the Human Hemorrhoid” Beck and Mark “I nominate Rush Limbaugh for the Nobel Peace Prize” Levin run it. It’s impossible to determine which is the crazier one.

Yeah that’s a tough call. I’d have to say Levin is the more maliciously crazy of the two.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:58:37am

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Half of the 3-week budget extension is past. Anyone see any action against the 15 Feb expiration?

Trump looked ready to get dog walked by Pelosi again last night.

But Mitch looked like he was getting a prostrate exam in real time.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 5:59:55am

My goodness…it hasn’t tweeted today. Did SotU just take so much out of the shitgibbon, or is he actually in a good mood still?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:00:52am

Anyone else suspicious of these “I voted for trump but now I regret it because I owe taxes this year!” Twitter accounts? I’m sorry. But every Trump supporter I know would never admit they’re wrong. About anything.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:07:27am

re: #194 Chrysicat

My goodness…it hasn’t tweeted today. Did SotU just take so much out of the shitgibbon, or is he actually in a good mood still?

My SOTU speech was the best SOTU speech ever, many people are saying! I saved the America from a certain nucklar war with North Korea that my predecessors did nothing to prevent. Remember!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:08:01am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:12:01am

re: #195 GlutenFreeJesus

Anyone else suspicious of these “I voted for trump but now I regret it because I owe taxes this year!” Twitter accounts? I’m sorry. But every Trump supporter I know would never admit they’re wrong. About anything.

I can buy them complainging. Living among Republicans, I can tell you they complain about anything (which isn’t really an anomoly to be honest). But I fully expect to hear a “Democrats won’t let us fix your tax problems with another tax cut on the rich” from Republican leaders soon.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:13:13am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Was there some kerfuffle in the Capitol last night? I sensed a great disturbance in the Force, but then with a finger snap, it was all over. Was it a dream?

No. It was the SOTU and Trump did what Trump always does.

He gave a stump speech that doesn’t tell us anything new. It’s the same bunch of repackaged lies, obfuscations, misrepresentations, and bullying efforts to try and stop investigations into his corrupt practices and businesses.

Trump runs a criminal syndicate, and he was more concerned with trying to get Democrats to stop investigating him (memo to Trump, Democrats are the least of his worries at this point, what with the EDNY, SDNY, EDVA, DNJ, and Mueller all investigating multiple aspects of his criminal syndicate - whether it’s hiring undocumented workers at his golf resorts - DNJ - to money laundering and campaign finance violations EDNY, SDNY, EDVA, and conspiring with foreign agents against the US - Mueller).

Trump didn’t offer a vision. He offered the same stale BS he’s been spewing for years.

Trump continues to try and take credit for an economy he inherited from Obama and didn’t completely fuck up with his trade wars. Woo. Yeah, congrats on not completely fucking up a good thing. We know you’re trying to fuck it up something fierce with the trade war that is costing your base dearly in places like Iowa and the Rust Belt as jobs aren’t coming back. You might save a few hundred jobs in a steel factory because they’re restarting a furnace, but 1000s of jobs are lost due to the trade war elsewhere and those aren’t coming back.

Trump lied about infrastructure again. He lied about abortion. He lied.

This isn’t a difficult concept - to call him out on his nonstop lies.

Trump lied about immigration being a crisis. There’s no crisis but the one he created by separating children from their parents and then refusing to reunite them as per multiple court orders. Border crossings are down. Illegal immigration is down. Number of people here illegally is down. All are at multidecade lows, and they’ve been trending that way for years. DHS has the stats that show this is all a pack of lies, and Trump and his addled supporters don’t care. They repeat the lies - it’s an article of faith at this point.

This speech will not be remembered. Trump has surely forgotten it. He can barely remember what was said hours earlier.

Looking ahead, we’ve got another shutdown looming because Trump doesn’t know how to negotiate - he only knows how to extort and when he doesn’t get his way, he shuts things down (like his airline, casinos, etc.).

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:14:13am

The attacks on AOC continue - mansplaining masquerading as news:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:15:31am

re: #200 lawhawk

The attacks on AOC continue - mansplaining masquerading as news:

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Such sexist bs.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:05am

re: #200 lawhawk

The attacks on AOC continue - mansplaining masquerading as news:

Would you mind posting the original tweet? I can’t see it here at work, and it seems kind of important in the sense that my blood pressure isn’t high enough.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:16:53am

re: #173 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:17:49am

re: #202 Belafon

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:18:59am

You know damned well that the moment of the evening was Nancy sarcastically clapping. That will be the main takeaway from an otherwise forgettable SOTU.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:19:45am

re: #205 lawhawk

You know damned well that the moment of the evening was Nancy sarcastically clapping. That will be the main takeaway from an otherwise forgettable SOTU.

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Haha. She knows she’s got him.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:21:13am

re: #204 lawhawk

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Thanks. Yeah, that’s crap. I bet I would spend forever trying to find that criticism being used against Republicans when Obama was in office.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:22:16am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

Haha. She knows she’s got him.

The fact that he attempts to completement all the women in office without understanding why they are there just underscores his entire presidency.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:22:29am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:22:48am

re: #208 Belafon

The fact that he attempts to completement all the women in office without understanding why they are there just underscores his entire presidency.

Totally

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lizardofid  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:23:42am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:27:06am

Deep down inside, the assholes who chanted “USA” endlessly last night really wanted to yell “Blood And Soil”.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:28:48am

re: #205 lawhawk

You know damned well that the moment of the evening was Nancy sarcastically clapping. That will be the main takeaway from an otherwise forgettable SOTU.

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I kinda like this one…

‘Whatever, old man. I have hearings to schedule.’
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Old Liberal  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:29:05am

re: #212 Joe Bacon 🌹

Deep down inside, the assholes who chanted “USA” endlessly last night really wanted to yell “Blood And Soil”.

That chant belongs in a sports arena, not in Congress. Embarrassing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:33:49am

re: #200 lawhawk

The attacks on AOC continue - mansplaining masquerading as news:

I am astounded at how much attention this woman takes up on the Right.

I find her bright and promising but I personally would not pay her that much attention were it not for the reaction she keeps drawing in the media, mostly from the right.

I can only assume that it is because she is hot and gives the old (and young) white guys a boner - which then gets them upset because they know that they cannot hire her services nor could they get away with just raping her.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:35:44am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am astounded at how much attention this woman takes up on the Right.

I find her bright and promising but I personally would not pay her that much attention were it not for the reaction she keeps drawing in the media, mostly from the right.

I can only assume that it is because she is hot and gives the old (and young) white guys a boner - which then gets them upset because they know that they cannot hire her services nor could they get away with just raping her.

Some of it’s that, and some of it is that they keep hoping to use her as the face of the Commie-Democratic Party, and she just won’t let them.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:36:58am

re: #212 Joe Bacon 🌹

Deep down inside, the assholes who chanted “USA’ endlessly last night really wanted to yell “Blood And Soil”.

All that was missing was the lighting up of homemade fireworks right next to them.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:37:01am

re: #204 lawhawk

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That particular criticism was from Peggy Noonan.

Gee, how come AOC wasn’t all warm and cuddly for the Great MAGA POTUS speech? ///

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:37:48am

re: #202 Belafon

Would you mind posting the original tweet? I can’t see it here at work, and it seems kind of important in the sense that my blood pressure isn’t high enough.

Here’s AOC’s reply — for your blood pressure. Someday they’ll figure out that she’s irrepressible (not soon, I hope).

Why should I be “spirited and warm” for this embarrassment of a #SOTU?

Tonight was an unsettling night for our country. The president failed to offer any plan, any vision at all, for our future.

We’re flying without a pilot. And I’m not here to comfort anyone about that fact.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:38:52am

I loved it when they sang happy birthday to the old fella who … if I remember correctly… was a Holocaust survivor. Was watching this with the Mrs. and I said it would be great if they sang happy birthday as it would take time and attention away from Trump…. and then it started and I couldn’t stop laughing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:39:28am

re: #214 Old Liberal

That chant belongs in a sports arena, not in Congress. Embarrassing.

That is the Republican Party. An embarrassment.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:41:42am

re: #219 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Here’s AOC’s reply — for your blood pressure. Someday they’ll figure out that she’s irrepressible (not soon, I hope).

That’s a great response.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:43:23am

re: #219 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Here’s AOC’s reply — for your blood pressure. Someday they’ll figure out that she’s irrepressible (not soon, I hope).

Translation: I’m not here to offer you mofoes a Safe Space.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:46:02am

re: #216 Belafon

Some of it’s that, and some of it is that they keep hoping to use her as the face of the Commie-Democratic Party, and she just won’t let them.

yes, since “Democrats in disarray over Nancy Pelosi as speaker” is no longer applicable, they have to lean harder on “Dems want to turn America into the Venezuela of the North!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:49:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:52:43am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:53:46am

re: #226 Backwoods_Sleuth

I suspect her clapping is being shared way more than anything from Trump.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:58:15am

Rick Wilson delivers a recap.

As predicted, there were a few crowd-pleasing nuggets excreted from the cloaca of some Kellyanne Conway focus group. They’re irrelevant; we all know that this White House could give less than a damn about policy, and the Democratic House and even the Republican Senate now have largely written Trump off. Few, if any, of the things he promised tonight will ever see the light of day because Trump will never dedicate the time, resources, or political capital to achieving them.

Since a key requirement of Esoteric Trumpism is that its followers live always in Year Zero, the Trump-centric internet is gushing praise over President Bigly Rightwords, treating his largely incoherent word gumbo as if he had delivered a modern-day Gettysburg Address. Hitting crowd-pleasing slow-pitch lines—“Boo, Nazis!” “Yay, heroes!” and “‘Merica!”—is like watching an airplane fly, or a monkey fling its waste; these are the expected behaviors of a president giving a State of the Union.

The uplift material in the speech was a rich vein of false equivalencies and collision with reality. Finally, a president willing to say the tough, unpopular thing and speak out against childhood cancer and AIDS. At last, a president who honors cops, military personnel, and brave kids! I’m stopping there; the eye-rolling is going to give me a migraine.

The whole thing is pretty good. He does point out the moment when Trump threatened to tank the economy if Mueller doesn’t call off the dogs.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 6:59:29am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:00:25am

re: #228 makeitstop

President Bigly Rightwords

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:01:28am

I get the feeling Peggy Noonan realizes that Alexandria is the future and that she, Peggy, is the past.

So, she has to get in a little corrective comment to make it seem like she has some awesome political knowledge to hand down to the upstart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:02:10am
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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:04:25am

re: #231 ObserverArt

I get the feeling Peggy Noonan realizes that Alexandria is the future and that she, Peggy, is the past.

So, she has to get in a little corrective comment to make it seem like she has some awesome political knowledge to hand down to the upstart.

‘Sullen, teenaged and lost’ is just so goddamn condescending, though.

And AOC’s response was pitch-perfect.

Noonan became irrelevant years ago, and it must burn her up to see someone so bright, with such a long future in front of her. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:08:30am

re: #233 makeitstop

‘Sullen, teenaged and lost’ is just so goddamn condescending, though.

And AOC’s response was pitch-perfect.

Noonan became irrelevant years ago, and it must burn her up to see someone so bright, with such a long future in front of her. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Isn’t that Peggy Noonan though?

She tilts her head and in a smooth voice she delivers condescension to the other side and love to conservatives.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:09:04am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:14:20am

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh no. I really enjoy her husband. He’s a hoot on Twitter and of course was solid in Congress too.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:16:08am

re: #228 makeitstop

Rick Wilson delivers a recap.

The whole thing is pretty good. He does point out the moment when Trump threatened to tank the economy if Mueller doesn’t call off the dogs.

Heh, reading that and this paragraph is pretty good.

Sure, we all knew he would trot out the usual base-stoking Wallsturbation lines, and he didn’t disappoint. We’ve heard the dramatic claims so often they’re almost laughable. Trump’s followers still persist in their belief he’ll produce the Wall, but he was practically begging for the Freedom Ditch by the end.

Freedom Ditch™

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:16:08am

What is AOC supposed to be? Respectful to a man whose policies have separated families unnecessarily? Noonan is nothing but an old hack.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:22:37am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

What is AOC supposed to be? Respectful to a man whose policies have separated families unnecessarily? Noonan is nothing but an old hack.

Maybe AOC should have stood up and yelled YOU LIE!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:26:23am

re: #239 Sir John Barron

Maybe AOC should have stood up and yelled YOU LIE!

Seriously. I know Wilson get criticized for that but definitely not talked down to the way the old Reagan groupie and the others are to AOC.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:29:02am

re: #239 Sir John Barron

Maybe AOC should have stood up and yelled YOU LIE!

Noonan is still part of a group where women are still supposed to defer to men.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:31:16am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:32:12am

heard there was a speech last night

we watch an episode of cadfael and then the first episode of godless

this AM i read it was
- disjointly written
- no surprises / as expected
- and poorly delivered

then stacey abrams kicked some ass

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:35:00am

That image of Nancy is everywhere today. I’ve seen it probably 10 times already.

Trump is going to be so pissed off know that is the lasting image from his speech.

I bet this morning he is going through several cutting names for the Speaker of the House. And it isn’t Nancy.

Are there tweets and articles out yet taking Nancy to task for showing no respect to the president?

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:39:32am
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Old Liberal  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:42:37am

re: #229 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If that isn’t a Musselini pose I’ve never seen one

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:43:18am

re: #243 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

We watched two episodes of “The Americans”.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:44:01am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I can only assume that it is because she is hot and gives the old (and young) white guys a boner - which then gets them upset because they know that they cannot hire her services nor could they get away with just raping her.

Yep. I’ve said this from Day One. They lust after her and they know they can never, ever have her. That also makes her a symbol for all the young women they lust after who they can never, ever have. Upskirt video on Fox is the best they can do and that makes them hate her.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:45:20am

re: #248 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

Yep. I’ve said this from Day One. They lust after her and they know they can never, ever have her. That also makes her a symbol for all the young women they lust after who they can never, ever have. Upskirt video on Fox is the best they can do and that makes them hate her.

What? Fox did what?

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Old Liberal  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:46:53am

re: #234 ObserverArt

Isn’t that Peggy Noonan though?

She tilts her head and in a smooth voice she delivers condescension to the other side and love to conservatives.

My question is, is she the best the media can offer? Why are they trotting out this broken down old horse? Is she what passes for an intellectual today? Give me Cardi B

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:46:58am

re: #249 CongoJack

What? Fox did what?

My phrase for Fox News, where you get to look up the women’s skirts due to the dress code.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:47:32am

re: #246 Old Liberal

If that isn’t a Musselini pose I’ve never seen one

He reminds me more of Mussolini than Hitler. The way he carries himself.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:47:36am

re: #233 makeitstop

‘Sullen, teenaged and lost’ is just so goddamn condescending, though.

And AOC’s response was pitch-perfect.

Noonan became irrelevant years ago, and it must burn her up to see someone so bright, with such a long future in front of her. Jealousy is an ugly emotion.

Peggy is one of many people who are seeing themselves hurtling towards irrelevance because of AOC. Some are already there like Peggy.

And the ugliness is the only thing they can do, surprise surprise, it doesn’t work.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:48:20am

re: #245 lawhawk

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Yeah something’s up,

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:51:46am

re: #251 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

My phrase for Fox News, where you get to look up the women’s skirts due to the dress code.

Ok… whew… was about to have an conniption.

I’m at the point of shanking anyone who comes after a good Dem. Like in the movie Untouchables.

/

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:53:35am

re: #255 CongoJack

I mean, they haven’t done it yet. But they will get there eventually, because they always find a way to sink lower.

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Old Liberal  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:54:50am

If love to know who the network exec is who says “make sure we get Peggy Noonan’s insightful take. That’ll drive eyeballs our way”. Probably the same incompetent asshole who paid Megyn Kelly tens of millions yet still has a job.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:54:56am

re: #255 CongoJack

Ok… whew… was about to have an conniption.

I’m at the point of shanking anyone who comes after a good Dem. Like in the movie Untouchables.

/

Funnily enough it was foot fetishists that proved that a bogus wingnut photo of AOC nude wasn’t her. It was the most 2019 thing ever but there we are. AOC I think is incredibly well composed for someone as young and in her first elected position as she is. But I’m not surprised too. She’s definitely an intelligent woman and that she’s a former bartender, I know she doesn’t put up with bullshit either. I have no idea where she will be in 10 years but I really think there’s a lot of potential for her. And frankly even though I probably would have voted for her primary opponent over her at the time, I’m happy we have her now. Since she’s shown that she’s ready for the modern era of politics more than Crowley was.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:59:01am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:00:51am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

Wow, talk about reaching.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:03:18am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

re: #260 Belafon

Sadly not the only one making the false connection. Suffragette white apparently means that Dems are still the party of the KKK to the bad faith farmers.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:04:49am

re: #261 Citizen K

Sadly not the only one making the false connection. Suffragette white apparently means that Dems are still the party of the KKK to the bad faith farmers.

Gotta love those black and Latina KKK members.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:04:56am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

This is a bad take.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:08:26am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

I want to see AOC’s reaction to this.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:11:58am

re: #261 Citizen K

Sadly not the only one making the false connection. Suffragette white apparently means that Dems are still the party of the KKK to the bad faith farmers.

Yeah because when I see Democratic women, particularly Democratic women of color, dressed in White I immediately imagine the KKK.

Seriously. Dems are either a bunch of Politically Correct Multicultural Identity Politics Pushers or we’re KKK Slave Owners.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:14:36am

...

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:15:05am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

Yeah because when I see Democratic women, particularly Democratic women of color, dressed in White I immediately imagine the KKK.

Seriously. Dems are either a bunch of Politically Correct Multicultural Identity Politics Pushers or we’re KKK Slave Owners.

Usually we’re both, don’t you know.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:15:35am

re: #265 Sir John Barron

Yeah because when I see Democratic women, particularly Democratic women of color, dressed in White I immediately imagine the KKK.

Seriously. Dems are either a bunch of Politically Correct Multicultural Identity Politics Pushers or we’re KKK Slave Owners.

I can see the GOP confusion there. GOPers expect people wearing white to be dressed in robes and hoods.

Democrats, and especially women of color wearing white, know that white is the color used by suffragettes. They wear white to remember the ongoing struggle to enable people to have the right to vote - a right the GOP desperately wants to undermine.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:17:54am

Fire…

On the way….

Drop 50 and fire for effect.

That means even the GOPers on the committee thought there was enough to send along to the OSC (Mueller).

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:20:14am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

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Have a seat, Bullet Necklace Lady. You. Are. Irrelevant.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:23:21am

re: #259 Dave In Austin

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You’re going there really? I guess Tiffany Trump is a Klan member too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:23:33am

re: #270 makeitstop

Have a seat, Bullet Necklace Lady. You. Are. Irrelevant.

She never was.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:31:16am

re: #120 Eclectic Cyborg

So did anyone watch Bernies bullshit response?

my point yesterday

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:31:29am

Katrina saying that a multiethnic group of women wearing white may be the most Katrina thing ever. Watch Dumbo Jr RT it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:32:14am

Here is an article by the Doctor Zoom mentioned upthread

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:32:59am

It doesn’t sound like he has long. I wish him and his family well in this very difficult time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:35:55am

re: #276 lawhawk

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It doesn’t sound like he has long. I wish him and his family well in this very difficult time.

Longest ever tenured member of Congress. Served under Ike to Obama. An Army veteran who was on the floor of Congress when FDR asked for a declaration of war against Japan after Pearl Harbor as his father was a member of Congress. But also a father, son, & husband. May your last days be peaceful sir. Thank you for a lifetime of service.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:37:50am

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

That’s a chock full piece, including the fact that all the polling supposedly finding that people liked Trump’s speech was based on a heavily skewed audience.

Democrats simply tuned it out - preferring not to watch it at all, because it was destined to be another stock campaign stop speech (it was).

So 40+ percent of audience was GOP. 24% was Democrat and balance identified as independent.

That’s almost flipped from the D/R/I in the electorate of registered or likely voters.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:39:08am

re: #148 gwangung

And a lot of wingnuts are protesting that this was actually a bi-partisan moment.

Snicker.

senate women 25 (17D, 8R)
house women 102 (89D, 13R), plus 4 (2D, 2R) delegates

thats 2x as many dem women senators
and 6x as many in congress

but there are more than zero R’s so…

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:40:27am

WTF is going on here:

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:40:48am

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

Jon Lovett

@jonlovett
* 13h
One reason Trump’s State of the Union feels like it matters less is because it matters less. Not just because he’s unpopular and embattled - his words carry less weight because he does less of the job and means less of what he says.

Franklygoddamn
@goddamnedfrank
It also really doesn’t help that he heavily dilutes the traditional dignity & ceremony associated with giving an official speech to Congress by frequently ranting at Nuremberg-esque rallies in a campaign for re-election that literally started on day one of his Presidency.

put another way:

How much of The State of the Union address was about The State of the Union

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:42:02am

re: #276 lawhawk

It doesn’t sound like he has long. I wish him and his family well in this very difficult time.

I grimace now when I hear the words Hospice Care.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:42:48am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

WTF is going on here:

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I wish I knew. I’m starting to think there’s some serious ratfucking going on here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:44:25am

re: #279 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

senate women 25 (17D, 8R)
house women 102 (89D, 13R), plus 4 (2D, 2R) delegates

thats 2x as many dem women senators
and 6x as many in congress

but there are more than zero R’s so…

It reminds me of how the GOP bragged about Mia Love being their first ever African American woman. Yeah? Well not have we had African American women in our caucus, they’ve been leaders.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:46:40am

re: #282 Sir John Barron

I grimace now when I hear the words Hospice Care.

As do I.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:46:59am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

WTF is going on here:

What’s going on is Republicans have figured out how to weaponize our standards. They’re not going to be held to the same standard, so they have no need to be ashamed of hypocrisy.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:47:09am

Virginia the blackface capital of America.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:47:54am

re: #286 Belafon

What’s going on is Republicans have figured out how to weaponize our standards. They’re not going to be held to the same standard, so they have no need to be ashamed of hypocrisy.

The comments prove that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:48:47am

re: #287 DodgerFan1988

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Virginia the blackface capital of America.

Jeezus.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:49:13am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:49:22am

That said, Herring is handling this better than Northam at this point.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:49:27am

re: #287 DodgerFan1988

Virginia the blackface capital of America.

I doubt it. It’s just the one state where it used to be the case that has flipped to Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:50:34am

I’m sick.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:51:45am

So is this ratfuckery in Virginia the “mass purge” that QANON has been waiting for?

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:51:48am

Guess what, folks, us whites are going to have to deal with this, the fact that, even among the better of us, the 80s in the south were a time of at best indifference for a lot of people. And what the GOP would love more than anything would be for the Democrats in VA to self-immolate so they can regain control of the state.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:52:53am

White right wingers in the comments going this proves Dems are the real racists are the fucking problem tho. They want to make this a partisan game even though both Stewart and Gillespie and many Virginia Republicans have used racism as part of their campaigns.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:53:25am

re: #295 Belafon

Guess what, folks, us whites are going to have to deal with this, the fact that, even among the better of us, the 80s in the south were a time of at best indifference for a lot of people. And what the GOP would love more than anything would be for the Democrats in VA to self-immolate so they can regain control of the state.

That’s exactly what is happening here.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:53:33am

Did you think the Confederates would give up Virginia without a fight?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:55:33am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:55:47am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

White right wingers in the comments going this proves Dems are the real racists are the fucking problem tho. They want to make this a partisan game even though both Stewart and Gillespie and many Virginia Republicans have used racism as part of their campaigns.

I can’t comment there, but it’s very simple: Trump, King, Hyde-Smith, and whatever Republicans were running in VA. Ignoring their racism doesn’t make them pure.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:56:48am

re: #300 Belafon

I can’t comment there, but it’s very simple: Trump, King, Hyde-Smith, and whatever Republicans were running in VA. Ignoring their racism doesn’t make them pure.

I’m just so sick right now.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:56:58am

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:56:58am

I am throwing my disrespectful costume out for review. I fractured my 2nd cervical vertebrae in my sophomore year in college (hit by a car) and was in a halo for 15 weeks. I went to a Halloween party dressed as a coatrack. I literally just hung coats from the hardware.

I was accused of being insensitive to handicapped people. Of which I was one at that time. I think that is about all the horrible mocking in my past.

I accept your flagellations.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:57:25am

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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This is getting ridiculous. Goddamit all man.

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Jay C  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:58:06am

re: #282 Sir John Barron

I grimace now when I hear the words Hospice Care.

Moi aussi: seems to be the contemporary custom (at least as regards more-or-less public figures) to get the public prepped for the inevitable announcement. I’m not sure whether it’s better or worse than having a death come as a “surprise”, but there we are.

Still a bummer, though: Dingell was one of those legendary “bridge” figures in our political history. Godspeed.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:58:17am

re: #290 lawhawk

GOP: “Look, the Democrats aren’t nominating people that represent you. They’re pandering to minorities.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:58:19am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

Trump. Trump has been accused of sexual assault too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:59:29am

We’re going to get through this better I hope. I think what we are finding out is racial insensitivity is a legit thing among many white people regardless of party label.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:00:54am

Democrats are getting fucked over with some kind of oppo doc dump that’s intent on skewering every top level official and then some.

Democrats in VA need a strategy to move forward. That includes resignations where appropriate (Northam), and also a push to address the institutional racism and bigotry across the state, which has led to this point.

That means taking down all the Confederate statues outside of national park properties and reminding everyone of the state’s role in the insurrection that led to the deaths of a million Americans or more for the South’s right to own slaves and protect the institution of slavery.

That means requiring classes in public and private schools that teach everyone about the war of Southern Insurrection. It means reminding everyone of the articles of secession that specifically point to protecting the institution of slavery as an explicit reason for launching the war. It means reminding everyone that flying a confederate battle flag is flying the flag of the losing side - the side that supported protecting the institution of slavery. It’s reminding everyone that we do not give trophies for 2d place. We don’t give statues to the losers of the war that they initiated.

It means creating a truth and reconciliation panel that helps navigate the facts and purging the remnants of confederate revisionism from the public space.

It means reminding everyone that institutional racism remains alive and well, and that blackface and KKK are alive and well - and we aren’t removed from the KKK terrorizing minorities - it’s still going on. White supremacist and white nationalist groups are still pushing revisionist history and romanticizing putting nonwhites in their place.

It has to end, and if it means this is the legacy of Northam and the AG getting booted, so be it.

The GOP continues to push the revisionist history of the civil war and romanticizes the South at every turn. The South lost. There’s nothing romantic about a war they initiated to protect the institution of slavery.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:02:06am

re: #280 The Vicious Babushka

Rumors of a Herring blackface photo have been circulating for the last 24 hours.

Somebody has been diligently doing their homework and waiting for the time to release it

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:02:26am

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:04:29am

mostly from electoral-vote.com

- an address that felt like it had been put together like an erector set.

- Now, a speech like that can be fixed—at least in part—by a smooth public speaker. Trump is not that…reading that someone would give if there was no punctuation, and they were just guessing when the pauses and line breaks should be.

- it’s easy to identify and disassemble the various portions of the speech, like tearing down a building made of LEGO Bricks.

so we got erector set and legos, and of course, lies, cut and pastes from last year’s sotu, and more instantly callable outright lies

oh and looks like he caved (again) - did you catch this part re: ‘the wall’?

“It will be deployed in the areas identified by border agents as having the greatest need, and as these agents will tell you, where walls go up, illegal crossings go way down.”

that aint no “big, beautiful wall” that was supposed to stretch entirely from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:05:01am

re: #309 lawhawk

Democrats are getting fucked over with some kind of oppo doc dump that’s intent on skewering every top level official and then some.

Democrats in VA need a strategy to move forward. That includes resignations where appropriate (Northam), and also a push to address the institutional racism and bigotry across the state, which has led to this point.

That means taking down all the Confederate statues outside of national park properties and reminding everyone of the state’s role in the insurrection that led to the deaths of a million Americans or more for the South’s right to own slaves and protect the institution of slavery.

That means requiring classes in public and private schools that teach everyone about the war of Southern Insurrection. It means reminding everyone of the articles of secession that specifically point to protecting the institution of slavery as an explicit reason for launching the war. It means reminding everyone that flying a confederate battle flag is flying the flag of the losing side - the side that supported protecting the institution of slavery. It’s reminding everyone that we do not give trophies for 2d place. We don’t give statues to the losers of the war that they initiated.

It means creating a truth and reconciliation panel that helps navigate the facts and purging the remnants of confederate revisionism from the public space.

It means reminding everyone that institutional racism remains alive and well, and that blackface and KKK are alive and well - and we aren’t removed from the KKK terrorizing minorities - it’s still going on. White supremacist and white nationalist groups are still pushing revisionist history and romanticizing putting nonwhites in their place.

It has to end, and if it means this is the legacy of Northam and the AG getting booted, so be it.

The GOP continues to push the revisionist history of the civil war and romanticizes the South at every turn. The South lost. There’s nothing romantic about a war they initiated to protect the institution of slavery.

Yes, this. Virginia needs to come face to face with our legacy. I live near a highway named after the man who was responsible more than anyone for keeping segregation in place. We need to stop celebrating Lee as a noble warrior. We need to elect better representatives of our community.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:05:43am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also from the days before the line between public and private life were blurred by instant worldwide social media

Wearing blackface to a party is tasteless, but it did not constitute a public political statement at the time.

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William Lewis  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:06:06am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

QFT.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:07:48am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

Don’t do that. It won’t help this year. You’re in the state that is leading the South out of the Confederacy. Republicans. Do. Not. Want. That. They will fight dirty. You have to keep up the fight.

It’s a local scope of the problem that the country is having. There are plenty of whites that are fighting for a better future, that have some issues from the past that can come up. Do we judge them by that, or by the way they act now? The other party is racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic right now. And they will win if we give up.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:08:06am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

this + 1,000’s

and the pu$$y grabber in chief

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:08:30am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

Sorry Happy,
Turn it off today (by “it” - TV, Twitter, maybe even LGF) and take a personal day. I’ll send a few angry tweets for ya - just go relax - we can hold down the fort.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:08:33am

re: #276 lawhawk

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It doesn’t sound like he has long. I wish him and his family well in this very difficult time.

Yeah….
But everyone knows it’s going to be Ok…..
This is a trail a lot of us have trudged.
Safe journeys and outstanding Sunsets John. You’ve Blessed all of us

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:08:53am

re: #316 Belafon

Don’t do that. It won’t help this year. You’re in the state that is leading the South out of the Confederacy. Republicans. Do. Not. Want. That. They will fight dirty. You have to keep up the fight.

It’s a local scope of the problem that the country is having. There are plenty of whites that are fighting for a better future, that have some issues from the past that can come up. Do we judge them by that, or by the way they act now? The other party is racist, sexist, xenophobic, and homophobic right now. And they will win if we give up.

True. I just feel like a fool is all.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:10:45am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

you make decisions with the information you have
you’re not responsible for what you didn’t and couldn’t reasonable have known

apparently a lot of other people didn’t either

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:11:59am

Some Russian bots are already spamming the bogus HILLARY CLINTON BLACKFACE photo.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:12:07am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

True. I just feel like a fool is all.

Naaaah. Blame the other people. And blame the GOP. As if they’re digging up their own people and holding them to those standards.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:13:18am

Thanks guys. I just feel betrayed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:13:54am

re: #318 CongoJack

Sorry Happy,
Turn it off today (by “it” - TV, Twitter, maybe even LGF) and take a personal day. I’ll send a few angry tweets for ya - just go relax - we can hold down the fort.

Yeah I’m going to work on some genealogical class work today.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:14:28am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

i responded to this and im still thinking

“we won’t resign until you boot out Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King”

fuck ‘asking’ them to resign
the party has the power to remove them and is responsible for them both (and others) still being there

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:14:40am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:14:47am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also from the days before the line between public and private life were blurred by instant worldwide social media

Wearing blackface to a party is tasteless, but it did not a public political statement at the time.

Not a political statement sure but surely showing racial insensitivity when he in his own words should have known better.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:15:25am

re: #327 lawhawk

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Okay asshole, let’s look at the Speaker. Let’s look at him.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:15:47am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

Thanks guys. I just feel betrayed.

that’s legitimate

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steve_davis  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:16:25am

re: #172 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Looks like he’s gotten into the rest of Hunter S. Thompson’s stash.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:18:21am

re: #327 lawhawk

Or maybe call another election.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:20:44am

re: #302 The Vicious Babushka

These Virginia Democrats should just say Fuck all y’all, we won’t resign until Brett Kavanaugh and Steve King resign first.

Yeah, especially Herring. He owned up to it when confronted at least. He should stay.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:20:51am

So wait, if Northam and Fairfax and the AG all go down then Va gets a GOP Governor?

Great….

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:21:12am

re: #328 HappyWarrior

Not a political statement sure but surely showing racial insensitivity when he in his own words should have known better.

Every year, I have to take sensitivity training at work, covering race, gender, and age discrimination. Why? Because the standards of conduct have to be reinforced.

When we hold people to the “should have known better” standard, we should realize that that bar is actually pretty high for the 80s. People weren’t running around going “Hey, we should be more sensitive towards these groups.” Think about people today needing training on how to properly act around women now. It’s the same thing.

A lot of “should have known better” is drawn from social clues, and the 80s in the south, even among the best of places, the social clues did not preclude wearing blackface.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:21:26am

re: #334 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait, if Northam and Fairfax and the AG all go down then Va gets a GOP Governor?

Great….

That’s the goal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:21:29am

Wow, Trump hasn’t tweeted since the SOTU. What the hell is going on here??

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:21:46am

re: #332 Myron Falwell

Or maybe call another election.

I don’t think the constituion allows it.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:22:22am

re: #327 lawhawk

According to standards set by Democrats, Democrats are taking care of their own. Get back to me when Republicans do.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:23:08am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:23:34am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:24:06am

re: #341 goddamnedfrank

You do that, it resets to the Confederacy setting.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:24:42am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

You did the right thing, don’t beat yourself up.

Humans are fallible. Look past the fallibility to the higher ideal, and that is what you campaigned for. That’s a good thing.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:25:06am

re: #340 lawhawk

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You and your father went to bat for Roy Moore and Corey Stewart. You just care about this as part of a sick political game. Your father was sued as an adult for racial discrimination.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:25:07am

re: #342 Belafon

You do that, it resets to the Confederacy setting.

Which is perfect for play on the Atari 1863 Console.

//

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:25:29am

re: #335 Belafon

Every year, I have to take sensitivity training at work, covering race, gender, and age discrimination. Why? Because the standards of conduct have to be reinforced.

When we hold people to the “should have known better” standard, we should realize that that bar is actually pretty high for the 80s. People weren’t running around going “Hey, we should be more sensitive towards these groups.” Think about people today needing training on how to properly act around women now. It’s the same thing.

A lot of “should have known better” is drawn from social clues, and the 80s in the south, even among the best of places, the social clues did not preclude wearing blackface.

Yeah nobody should be surprised that a state that celebrates the Confederacy and its favorite sons (i.e. the statues) should also have a culture that is pretty racially insensitive and that that insensitivity infects almost everyone.

BUT DONT DESTROY HISTORY!!!

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:27:55am

re: #334 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait, if Northam and Fairfax and the AG all go down then Va gets a GOP Governor?

Great….

The only way they can win is by cheating.

Something is rotten in the VA GOP, and they’ll do their darndest to hide their complicity in this shitshow, but it will come out. And it won’t be pretty.

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makeitstop  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:28:13am

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, Trump hasn’t tweeted since the SOTU. What the hell is going on here??

He’s staring at the Pelosi clapping photo and pissing himself with rage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:28:48am

re: #334 Eclectic Cyborg

So wait, if Northam and Fairfax and the AG all go down then Va gets a GOP Governor?

Great….

sounds like the plan all along

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:29:30am

re: #347 Myron Falwell

The only way they can win is by cheating.

Something is rotten in the VA GOP, and they’ll do their darndest to hide their complicity in this shitshow, but it will come out. And it won’t be pretty.

In VA, they need to be looking for Republicans who we know, just based on stats, did the same thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:30:16am

re: #350 Belafon

In VA, they need to be looking for Republicans who we know, just based on stats, did the same thing.

those yearbooks have all been rounded up and destroyed…

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:31:56am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

You shouldn’t. You were doing your part and how would you have known?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:32:53am

re: #350 Belafon

In VA, they need to be looking for Republicans who we know, just based on stats, did the same thing.

We know what they did in office. We know that George Allen had a CSA flag and hangman paper weight in his office. We know that Corey Stewart was associating with the bigoted thugs in Charlottesville.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:34:06am

re: #352 ObserverArt

You shouldn’t. You were doing your part and how would you have known?

Yeah you’re right. I feel betrayed. One was bad, two worse, all three? I will say Herring is handling it better but I’m just disappointed since by his own words, he knew better.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:35:43am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

We know what they did in office. We know that George Allen had a CSA flag and hangman paper weight in his office. We know that Corey Stewart was associating with the bigoted thugs in Charlottesville.

It’s deeper than that. This reeks of purposeful and malicious intent just so the government can fall in chaos.

The VA GOP is clearly coordinating this with a hired goon a la a Rage Furby. There are way too many coincidences here.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:37:23am

re: #355 Myron Falwell

It’s deeper than that. This reeks of purposeful and malicious intent just so the government can fall in chaos.

The VA GOP is clearly coordinating this with a hired goon a la a Rage Furby. There are way too many coincidences here.

Yeah this is a party that knows it lost this state due to their own sexism and bigotry. This isn’t going to make me vote Republican. It’s going to make me want the best possible Democrats.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:38:51am

re: #335 Belafon

Every year, I have to take sensitivity training at work, covering race, gender, and age discrimination. Why? Because the standards of conduct have to be reinforced.

When we hold people to the “should have known better” standard, we should realize that that bar is actually pretty high for the 80s. People weren’t running around going “Hey, we should be more sensitive towards these groups.” Think about people today needing training on how to properly act around women now. It’s the same thing.

A lot of “should have known better” is drawn from social clues, and the 80s in the south, even among the best of places, the social clues did not preclude wearing blackface.

also fwiw these were not work environments

unless there’s a pattern or the guy’s an actual closeted racist/bigot etc, you dont resign the governorship over this

especially when the other side brewed this up
they are using it deliberately and disingenuously as a political cudgel to force him out

there is some truth to: if they didnt release this, no one would be any wiser and we’d all be otherwise happy with his performance

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:39:22am

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, Trump hasn’t tweeted since the SOTU. What the hell is going on here??

no one’s seen RBG since monday and you know what they’re all saying about that…

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:39:31am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is a party that knows it lost this state due to their own sexism and bigotry. This isn’t going to make me vote Republican. It’s going to make me want the best possible Democrats.

And remember that none of us are perfect.

“Watch this video of Representative John Mann saying that girls have cooties and later dressing in drag.”

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Kilroy was here  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:40:17am

Shocked.. not shocked

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:40:23am

re: #355 Myron Falwell

It’s deeper than that. This reeks of purposeful and malicious intent just so the government can fall in chaos.

The VA GOP is clearly coordinating this with a hired goon a la a Rage Furby. There are way too many coincidences here.

One thing about Virginia is it is tied into DC with so many DCers living in Northern Virginia. So the whole Republican dirty tricks machine is right there. Probably too close of relationships in all of the politicians and so closets open and skeleton’s fall out.

I know it is probably not happening, but like I said the other day, those Roger Stone “devices” and all that data might shine a light on some of this. I still think that data is part of Stone’s rat fucking system.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:40:59am

re: #357 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

also fwiw these were not work environments

unless there’s a pattern or the guy’s an actual closeted racist/bigot etc, you dont resign the governorship over this

especially when the other side brewed this up
they are using it deliberately and disingenuously as a political cudgel to force him out

there is some truth to: if they didnt release this, no one would be any wiser and we’d all be otherwise happy with his performance

This is all happening because of the fact this administration in Richmond is unabashedly pro choice. It doesn’t make what these guys did right but it makes this a sick political game.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:41:31am

re: #361 ObserverArt

One thing about Virginia is it is tied into DC with so many DCers living in Northern Virginia. So the whole Republican dirty tricks machine is right there. Probably too close of relationships in all of the politicians and so closets open and skeleton’s fall out.

I know it is probably not happening, but like I said the other day, those Roger Stone “devices” and all that data might shine a light on some of this. I still think that data is part of Stone’s rat fucking system.

I’ve said all along this is a Roger Stone Ratfucking and I stand by that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:42:01am

re: #360 Kilroy was here

Shocked.. not shocked

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Rules for thee but not me.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:43:14am

re: #357 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

also fwiw these were not work environments

unless there’s a pattern or the guy’s an actual closeted racist/bigot etc, you dont resign the governorship over this

especially when the other side brewed this up
they are using it deliberately and disingenuously as a political cudgel to force him out

there is some truth to: if they didnt release this, no one would be any wiser and we’d all be otherwise happy with his performance

And I want the standards to be better. But “should have known better”, in my experience, needs a lot more context. Some people need to be told that what might have been ok according to their parents and peers is not. This country is barely getting to better in some respects, and a lot of people from the other side are still alive.

Once again, I reiterate that we might need a “OK Democrats, tell me what you’ve got in your past, and let’s deal with it now.” It’ll actually be a lot less tramatic if we know we’re going to get it out in the open.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:46:11am

For people in office, it would be better to get it out now. If it gets out before you tell us, own it. If you don’t own it, that’s when you’re in trouble. But we also need to be willing to verify that it’s true.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:47:50am

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:48:09am

These fuckers are all like the Democrats need to be shut down. Oh really?

Democrats have a racism problem but the GOP doesn’t? Really?

Democrats are trying to deal with the racists in their ranks, and one way forward is to elect more women and minorities.

The GOP answer to the white nationalists in their ranks is to go to bat for them, support their candidacies, and elect more white nationalists, from Trump on down.

So fuck the GOP. They don’t get a pass on their institutional racism and misogyny because VA Democrats are trying to deal and clean their house.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:48:10am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:49:56am

re: #295 Belafon

Guess what, folks, us whites are going to have to deal with this, the fact that, even among the better of us, the 80s in the south were a time of at best indifference for a lot of people. And what the GOP would love more than anything would be for the Democrats in VA to self-immolate so they can regain control of the state.

I’ve said this before: until a couple of years ago, I had no idea that blackface hadn’t gone out with Vaudeville. I would not have “got” that it was offensive in itself.

Plus, Herring wasn’t mocking black people, he was dressing up as someone he admired.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:50:24am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

If you were a chimney sweep in the late 1800s.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:51:09am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

IOKIYAR - it’s okay if you are a Republican.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:51:20am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

This is all happening because of the fact this administration in Richmond is unabashedly pro choice. It doesn’t make what these guys did right but it makes this a sick political game.

it is for that reason alone that i think we resist resignation
especially when
- duncan hunter and chris collins, under indictment, likely to be convicted. crickets
- king is a racist who more and more does a bad job hiding it. mostly crickets
- kavanaugh
- pu$$y-grabber-in-chief
- et al

theirs is current, contemporaneous behavior. not ‘30 years ago’

they can be ousted. the republican party has the total power to do it. They refuse to even consider it.

so clean your own goddamn house, before we consider what to do with ours

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:52:23am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

I may need a break from state politics after this guys. I campaigned for the election of all three these guys. I feel fucking dirty.

Consider the alternative.

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:52:59am

re: #368 lawhawk

Sean Davis can fuck off with the money that funds the Federalist.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:54:32am

re: #365 Belafon

And I want the standards to be better. But “should have known better”, in my experience, needs a lot more context. Some people need to be told that what might have been ok according to their parents and peers is not. This country is barely getting to better in some respects, and a lot of people from the other side are still alive.

Once again, I reiterate that we might need a “OK Democrats, tell me what you’ve got in your past, and let’s deal with it now.” It’ll actually be a lot less tramatic if we know we’re going to get it out in the open.

in the fiction taht was “West Wing” when josh goes to work for Santos, Santos says no oppo research, a clean campaign. then he finds out josh hired joey lucas to do some digging.

santos says to josh “i told you no oppo research”
josh says “they’re researching you”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:55:18am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

Curious what the context was to all these circumstances of when black face was worn. What was the purpose? What was the setting or event?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:56:40am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

Might be called for in a movie in which the character is a villain.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:57:32am

re: #374 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Consider the alternative.

Believe me I am. I said that when I was really upset. I’m not quitting on politics. I just want the men and women who run to represent me to be honest and upfront about themselves. If I had known this about Herring or Northam and they had been honest and contrite about it especially Northam, I could probably accept that it was in the past but you can’t have this in your past and act like you’ve got better values than your Republican opponetns.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:58:31am

re: #370 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

I’ve said this before: until a couple of years ago, I had no idea that blackface hadn’t gone out with Vaudeville. I would not have “got” that it was offensive in itself.

Plus, Herring wasn’t mocking black people, he was dressing up as someone he admred.

There were comments like that on the liner notes of Michelle Schocked’s album The Arkansas Traveller

She wrote that she had originally planned to appear on the cover in blackface as a tribute to the blackface minstrels who popularized the music on the album but knew that it would lead to too much backlash and cancelled the idea.

And again, these things are a lot more nuanced but the GOP saw a vulnerable spot to attack the Virginia Democrats at a critical juncture and turned on the flamethrower.

In the nuance-free shouting match that comprises modern Internet political discourse, they have the upper hand here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:58:58am

re: #377 Sir John Barron

Curious what the context was to all these circumstances of when black face was worn. What was the purpose? What was the setting or event?

What if the guy in the KKK robe was Black?

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:00:07am

re: #381 The Vicious Babushka

What if the guy in the KKK robe was Black?

Dave Chapelle did this… it was hilarious.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:01:08am

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:02:17am

re: #362 HappyWarrior

This is all happening because of the fact this administration in Richmond is unabashedly pro choice. It doesn’t make what these guys did right but it makes this a sick political game.

I assumed this was in part at least a reaction to the GOP official in FL who resigned or planned to resign because he had worn black face in the past (how recent I don’t recall).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:02:19am

re: #382 CongoJack

Dave Chapelle did this… it was hilarious.

It may sound like a double standard but the reason why Chappelle being a black klansman was funny as well as when he did whiteface is that it was satirizing white people since blackface was long used to put black people down as subservient, moronic, animalistic. Chappelle’s definitely mocking people when he did whiteface but did it contribute to black people thinking that white people should be dehumanized? Nah and that is the difference here. It’s a nuanced one that a lot of whites don’t want to understand for the same reason we don’t get that there is no white or male history months.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:02:21am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

I am not into absolutes, note the comment above about Michelle Shocked.

I recall Monty Python using it as well, but in their case, they were poking fun at the stereotype of the blackface TV sitcom family servant

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:02:24am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

Believe me I am. I said that when I was really upset. I’m not quitting on politics. I just want the men and women who run to represent me to be honest and upfront about themselves. If I had known this about Herring or Northam and they had been honest and contrite about it especially Northam, I could probably accept that it was in the past but you can’t have this in your past and act like you’ve got better values than your Republican opponetns.

Sure you can. Notham and Herring have grown and learned in the last 30 years — their opponents have replaced their klan robes with tiki torches.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:02:44am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

I assumed this was in part at least a reaction to the GOP official in FL who resigned or planned to resign because he had worn black face in the past (how recent I don’t recall).

The SoS you mean. Yes he did resign.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:03:43am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

This x 100.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:03:45am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

Well skeet shooting doesn’t hurt anyone. I’ll be damned if we look down on somebody eating a cheeseburger. Black-face and racial prejudices are not similar.

This is a new world and looking at the 1800s … even pre 1980s as examples no longer work thanks to technology and the internet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:04:11am

re: #387 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Sure you can. Notham and Herring have grown and learned in the last 30 years — their opponents have replaced their klan robes with tiki torches.

I just wish they had been upfront about it is all. I’ve told a very personal story about myself in how it relates to the MeToo and sexual assault stuff from a male perspective. I’m not proud of a lot of my past drinking behavior but in that one incidence, I’m happy that I did the right thing even though I was legitimately sloshed.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:04:13am

Since we are trying to better ourselves as a party for minorities and women, but the party and it’s people have a history, we’re going to need a little help from them. The Democrats are going to have to come up with a standard course of action for people who have something in their past that they would be ashamed of now. A way to atone. And we need to announce it, not only so that Democrats will know what they can and should do, but so that we announce that we’re dealing with our past. In this case, white Democrats will have to deal with their actions, but it really can’t get any better unless we have some steps to deal with it.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:04:42am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

How about men who wore drag to a party?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:05:00am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

That’s true. Honestly, I think it’s about how you handle this coming out. Herring so far has handled it better than Northam did IMO.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:05:27am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:06:10am

re: #384 Sir John Barron

I assumed this was in part at least a reaction to the GOP official in FL who resigned or planned to resign because he had worn black face in the past (how recent I don’t recall).

You mean this one #360:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:06:47am

re: #395 jaunte

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For a bunch of people who hate Communism, they sure do love taking cues from the USSR in how to portray their leaders.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:07:06am

re: #393 Belafon

How about men who wore drag to a party?

Someone who kept an animal companion.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:07:19am

re: #396 Belafon

You mean this one #360:

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No, he meant the SoS. But I think this speaks to the problem that this guy is the “other” Florida official who did blackface.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:08:19am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:08:25am

I understand that standards change and I guess part of the reason why I am a bit idealistic about this is my age but I do think being upfront helps, also acknowledging why it’s offensive, and how you plan to or have learned from it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:09:52am

re: #394 HappyWarrior

That’s true. Honestly, I think it’s about how you handle this coming out. Herring so far has handled it better than Northam did IMO.

Well he didn’t pose with a guy in klan robes, or to mock someone, and he was a teenager, not a 25 year old medical student, so its quite different imho. I will confess here I wore blackface once. I was 5 in a school play in England playing a doll called a “gollywog” (a horribly racist term). Since I don’t plan on running for public office, I doubt any photos of that 50 year old incident will ever emerge, if any exist.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:09:52am

re: #396 Belafon

You mean this one #360:

This is a different one.

Happy Warrior addressed the one I meant in #388.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:10:18am

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

Is there any context or situation in which a white person appearing in blackface is acceptable?

No.

Beware The Megyn Kelly Zone.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:11:31am

re: #383 Decatur Deb

It’s remotely possible that, 40 years from now, Democratic politicians will be resigning because they went skeet shooting or ate a cheeseburger last week. Most of the Union soldiers and leaders who fought against slavery would not pass Progressive muster today. That includes Lincoln.

We can get control of our narrative or just hand the whole package over to the fascists.

this here. i know im gonna be unpopular.

i want dems to be ‘better’ than the republicans. ‘for a while’ maybe we can’t.

we are playing by different sets of rules
and when we do we lose. cause they dont care.

some rules we can get around - ie campaign financing/ small donations/ corporate contributions - there has been some movement.

but otoh, as long as citizen united stands, we shouldn’t just ignore it. we use every tool available, as they do.

i think this present situation is another. at least for a while

imo we cant be giving up hard fought, hard won positions (a freakin governorship) because of things, not relate to the job, or long ago and no longer (presumably) representative of the individual.

while they are messing with voter registration and polling sites, there’s clearly interference from foreign countries, and they are holding this info back (ie not releasing it during the campaign) for when it can do the most damage strategically

we cannot…again - at least unless and until they do.

as i’ve said twice today, i think it’s a winning tactic to press the republican party institutionally to clean house. not to pressure resignations - to boot em out as it has to power to do. make it their responsibility

they wont -for the exact same reason we cant get ‘responsible’ gun owners to cull out the demonstrably reckless and dangerous.

so don’t unilaterally surrender on this

to reiterate
- i am in no way passing judgement on the actions from 30 odd years ago
- if they aren’t representative of a closeted guy today
- if it’s not relevant to his job or performance

we don’t give away the store - governors, senators are too high a price when only one side respects the system

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:11:32am
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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:12:42am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

I understand that standards change and I guess part of the reason why I am a bit idealistic about this is my age but I do think being upfront helps, also acknowledging why it’s offensive, and how you plan to or have learned from it.

And they should, but here’s the thing: I don’t remember a whole lot of details from anything more than about 20 years ago (I’m 49). Unless it was a thing they knew was iffy back then and doing it really stuck, they may not remember it. I think we really have to measure how they react if it comes out, but they will get way more points if they are the ones that expose it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:13:22am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:13:47am

so, so good:

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:13:49am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:15:05am

re: #393 Belafon

How about men who wore drag to a party?

Some of us came out as Transwomen.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:15:06am

The last thing I want to see is a public confession of sins by all our candidates. (Although I’d bet that one side would have much more to confess than the others.)

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:16:06am

re: #401 HappyWarrior

I understand that standards change and I guess part of the reason why I am a bit idealistic about this is my age but I do think being upfront helps, also acknowledging why it’s offensive, and how you plan to or have learned from it.

Herring, while I’m still not too damn happy about this, has at least been forthright, which is more than I can say about Northam. Context matters, too, even with these instances: Herring did his blackface to dress as one of the famous rappers of the time (of which, white folks were definitely not among them in 1980) for a party, while Northam stood in blackface next to someone in fucking Klan garb. Northam’s incident (and his public reaction when it came out last week) is much, much worse when comparing the two.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:16:42am

I will confess here that until I was about 14 or so, I had the usual juvenile homophobia that was common in that time period. I used faggot. I used gay as a pejorative. I thought being gay was “gross.” So no, I’m not perfect. But I realize now and as I got older that gays aren’t gross. People don’t choose their orientation. I didn’t choose to be straight. I knew I was attracted to women as I hit puberty. I also learned later that gay men and women are no different than straight men and women. Some like traditionally massculine or feminine things. That there is no “homosexual lifestyle” anymore than there is a “heterosexual liefstyle.” That some gay people are jerks but they’re not jerks because they’re gay, they’re jerks because they’re what I think makes a jerk.

And I guess that’s what I just want these guys with this stuff lurking to be upfront about. I don’t think Northam or especially Herring is a racist now. I don’t think Herring would have supported the causes he does and associated with as many black politicians and other civic leaders he has if he were. But I just want you if you’re going to put yourself in public life be honest about your past prejudices and doings that would be considered wrong.

I have this memory of my Dad telling me about a time he used the n-word on my Uncle. Dad had to been like 7 or so and my uncle was a few years older. My grandfather told my Dad that he never wanted to hear his children use that word. That story told me a lot about my grandfather who I never knew but also my dad to some extent to since he’s willing to admit that he certainly had prejudice that he thought that word was okay at some point.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:17:04am

re: #405 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

this here. i know im gonna be unpopular.

i want dems to be ‘better’ than the republicans. ‘for a while’ maybe we can’t.

we are playing by different sets of rules
and when we do we lose. cause they dont care.

some rules we can get around - ie campaign financing/ small donations/ corporate contributions - there has been some movement.

but otoh, as long as citizen united stands, we shouldn’t just ignore it. we use every tool available, as they do.

i think this present situation is another. at least for a while

imo we cant be giving up hard fought, hard won positions (a freakin governorship) because of things, not relate to the job, or long ago and no longer (presumably) representative of the individual.

while they are messing with voter registration and polling sites, there’s clearly interference from foreign countries, and they are holding this info back (ie not releasing it during the campaign) for when it can do the most damage strategically

we cannot…again - at least unless and until they do.

as i’ve said twice today, i think it’s a winning tactic to press the republican party institutionally to clean house. not to pressure resignations - to boot em out as it has to power to do. make it their responsibility

they wont -for the exact same reason we cant get ‘responsible’ gun owners to cull out the demonstrably reckless and dangerous.

so don’t unilaterally surrender on this

to reiterate
- i am in no way passing judgement on the actions from 30 odd years ago
- if they aren’t representative of a closeted guy today
- if it’s not relevant to his job or performance

we don’t give away the store - governors, senators are too high a price when only one side respects the system

One thing though. I think that now that the very powerful small donor fundraising organization ActBlue has arisen, Democrats can safely disavow corporate and SuperPac donations and it works to keep them independent and as a powerful election message that they will work for the people and not the oligarchy. Let the Republicans run as the tools of corporate interests; Democrats now have an alternative that can raise just as much money, if not more.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:17:07am

We are counting our micro-aggressions while the opposition has lost count of the brown children they have kidnapped at the border. Better learn to master the difference.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:17:32am

re: #407 Belafon

And they should, but here’s the thing: I don’t remember a whole lot of details from anything more than about 20 years ago (I’m 49). Unless it was a thing they knew was iffy back then and doing it really stuck, they may not remember it. I think we really have to measure how they react if it comes out, but they will get way more points if they are the ones that expose it.

I am taking a different stance on Herring than Northam in part because of how Herring has addressed it. And you’re right, sometimes we do forget and I get that.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:18:13am

re: #411 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Some of us came out as Transwomen.

You are correct, but for some it was a costume only, meant to get laughs. Could that be considered offensive to women?

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:18:27am

re: #417 HappyWarrior

I am taking a different stance on Herring than Northam in part because of how Herring has addressed it. And you’re right, sometimes we do forget and I get that.

In Herring’s case, though, there’s no photo that’s emerged, right? He’s making the confession more or less of his own accord…?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:18:50am

re: #413 TedStriker

Herring, while still not too damn happy about, has at least been forthright, which is more than I can say about Northam. Context matters, too, even with these instances: Northam did his blackface to dress as one of the famous rappers of the time (of which, white folks were definitely not among them) for a party, while Northam stood next to someone in fucking Klan garb. Northam’s incident (and his public reaction when it came out last week) is much, much worse when comparing the two.

That’s certainly true too. And that one GOPer was apparently with a friend who is black. Probably stupid and juvenile to dress in blackface to pretend to be his friend but from what I am seeing, I don’t think he meant anything racial about it. The SoS and Northam OTOH.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:19:04am

re: #413 TedStriker

Herring, while still not too damn happy about, has at least been forthright, which is more than I can say about Northam. Context matters, too, even with these instances: Northam did his blackface to dress as one of the famous rappers of the time (of which, white folks were definitely not among them) for a party, while Northam stood next to someone in fucking Klan garb. Northam’s incident (and his public reaction when it came out last week) is much, much worse when comparing the two.

I never saw a rapper wear a floppy bow tie, plaid pants and straw hat. That is straight up minstrel shit.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:19:29am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

I will confess here that until I was about 14 or so, I had the usual juvenile homophobia that was common in that time period. I used faggot. I used gay as a pejorative. I thought being gay was “gross.” So no, I’m not perfect. But I realize now and as I got older that gays aren’t gross. People don’t choose their orientation. I didn’t choose to be straight. I knew I was attracted to women as I hit puberty. I also learned later that gay men and women are no different than straight men and women. Some like traditionally massculine or feminine things. That there is no “homosexual lifestyle” anymore than there is a “heterosexual liefstyle.” That some gay people are jerks but they’re not jerks because they’re gay, they’re jerks because they’re what I think makes a jerk.

And I guess that’s what I just want these guys with this stuff lurking to be upfront about. I don’t think Northam or especially Herring is a racist now. I don’t think Herring would have supported the causes he does and associated with as many black politicians and other civic leaders he has if he were. But I just want you if you’re going to put yourself in public life be honest about your past prejudices and doings that would be considered wrong.

I have this memory of my Dad telling me about a time he used the n-word on my Uncle. Dad had to been like 7 or so and my uncle was a few years older. My grandfather told my Dad that he never wanted to hear his children use that word. That story told me a lot about my grandfather who I never knew but also my dad to some extent to since he’s willing to admit that he certainly had prejudice that he thought that word was okay at some point.

As a Virginian, can you explain the context of a White person wearing black-face? What prompts it? What is it meant to demonstrate? I assume it generally occurs in settings when Black people aren’t around.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:20:34am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

I never saw a rapper wear a floppy bow tie, plaid pants and straw hat. That is straight up minstrel shit.

That’s the Northam photo not the Herring one. There aren’t any photos out yet of the Herring one that I knwo of.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:20:35am

re: #415 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One thing though. I think that now that the very powerful small donor fundraising organization ActBlue has arisen, Democrats can safely disavow corporate and SuperPac donations and it works to keep them independent and as a powerful election message that they will work for the people and not the oligarchy. Let the Republicans run as the tools of corporate interests; Democrats now have an alternative that can raise just as much money, if not more.

Disagree. I’m fine with avoidiing those contributions, but we can’t shun such a powerful tool until everyone is barred from using it.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:20:40am

It’s time for both parties to just go back to their standard Sexy Lawyer costumes.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:20:51am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

Where as my family, in the 80s was debating using the n-word and negro because older blacks used it and my mom got onto me for dating a Latina.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:20:54am

re: #421 The Vicious Babushka

I never saw a rapper wear a floppy bow tie, plaid pants and straw hat. That is straight up minstrel shit.

Meant Herring with the “dressing as a rapper” line; post was corrected.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:22:40am

re: #415 NO SMOCKING GUN!

One thing though. I think that now that the very powerful small donor fundraising organization ActBlue has arisen, Democrats can safely disavow corporate and SuperPac donations and it works to keep them independent and as a powerful election message that they will work for the people and not the oligarchy. Let the Republicans run as the tools of corporate interests; Democrats now have an alternative that can raise just as much money, if not more.

yeah - that’s half my point. we/they came up with an alternative that does seem to be working better.

we didnt unilaterally disarm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:24:27am

re: #422 Sir John Barron

As a Virginian, can you explain the context of a White person wearing black-face? What prompts it? What is it meant to demonstrate? I assume it generally occurs in settings when Black people aren’t around.

I’m a generation younger than these guys so consider that here. I can’t explain what prompts it since I’ve always had mixed groups of friends that I socialized with. One of my good friends growing up was from Peru for example. I don’t know what it’s meant to demonstrate to be honest. But I definitely think it’s one of those things that happens when black people arent’ around which is why it upsets me. It reminds me of how I have definitely been present when other whites have tried the just between us whites stuff when white people go off on minorities and say things they would never say in front of minorities.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:24:57am

re: #424 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Disagree. I’m fine with avoidiing those contributions, but we can’t shun such a powerful tool until everyone is barred from using it.

I understand your take, but a lot of Democrats did exactly that and still had plenty of money to run on thanks to ActBlue. If they have an alternative which then allows them to call out the GOP being dependent on corporate money, whats not to like?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:25:57am

re: #425 jaunte

It’s time for both parties to just go back to their standard Sexy Lawyer costumes.

As a lawyer, I’m triggered by that microaggression. We are not sex objects!//

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:26:14am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

We are counting our micro-aggressions while the opposition has lost count of the brown children they have kidnapped at the border. Better learn to master the difference.

exactly. and im gonna add one more point to put it all yet another way, cause i blather:

“We can disagree and still love each other unless your disagreement is rooted in my oppression and denial of my humanity and right to exist.” James Baldwin

The system needs principled opponents; a competition between basically well-intentioned people who see the world differently, for it to work.

Instead, for the r’s it is “our team no matter what”. A degenerative, brutal struggle for power and office. They, with righteous indignation, act as if only the Democrats are and can be capable of behaving despicably while they themselves run roughshod over it all.

The republicans are a bit similar (no not the same) as the old palestinians. They want complete destruction of the d’s. Not for the same reason of course:

They merely want total power so they can do whatever they want.

That’s not a principled opponent.

Fuck em without mercy until they find some principles.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:27:04am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:27:46am

re: #429 HappyWarrior

Before any of these officials resign, and beyond just saying they regret their actions, I hope they can explain maybe why they did it or what the context was, what they were trying to portray, etc.

Although I realize that might make things worse for them and possibly inflame the situation. But it helps to know more about these things, why people did what they did, what they were thinking, whether they knew in some way they were behaving badly even if it was accepted.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:28:44am

Ha… :/

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:28:56am

re: #431 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Speak for yourself. ////////

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:29:31am

re: #431 NO SMOCKING GUN!

“I can’t keep up with what’s been going down
I think my heart must just be slowing down
Among the human beings, in their designer jeans
Am I the only one who hears the screams
And the strangled crys
Of lawyers in love

God sends his spaceships to America (the beautiful)
They land at six o’clock and there we are (the dutiful)
Eating from TV trays, tuned into happy days
Waiting for world war three while Jesus slaves
To the mating calls
Of lawyers in love”

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:29:38am

re: #418 Belafon

You are correct, but for some it was a costume only, meant to get laughs. Could that be considered offensive to women?

Since I can only speak for myself it would depend upon the way the individual was dressed. Was he dressed in such a way as demean women (dressing like a hooker), then yes, I would find that insulting. Conversely, if he dressed in well fitting clothes and presented himself in a way that dignified women, then no, I would not find that offensive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:29:49am

re: #426 Belafon

Where as my family, in the 80s was debating using the n-word and negro because older blacks used it and my mom got onto me for dating a Latina.

Which actually gets me to something my Dad and I weer just talking about is that maybe some of us are really naive about the extent of casual racism in white culture. I didn’t see it that much among other whites when I was younger and lived in a more diverse area than I do now. I’ve definitely seen it more since I moved to Western Loudoun County.

But to your other point, my mom has a memory of her father being not too happy about her playing with a black girl in the 60’s. But at the same time, her mother remembers her witnessing Jim Crow for the first time as a waitress when a schoolbus of integrated school children on a field trip stopped by and the black kids were denied services and I think had to eat on the school bus. It bothered her but at the same time, I think my grandmother is still very naive about racism’s legacies. She doesn’t see that the crap she may have gotten for being an Eastern European immigrant’s daughter was totally different from what black people got. My mom? I think she like my Dad and this is probably what has shaped me is both of them even though they’ve had totally different jobs in my life have always worked with a wide range of people and they just came to see people as flaws. If someone was a jerk at work, they would illustrate that rather than the person’s racial or ethnic background.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:30:43am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

We are counting our micro-aggressions while the opposition has lost count of the brown children they have kidnapped at the border. Better learn to master the difference.

There certainly is a difference DD but can you understand why one might feel their values were a little betrayed? I’m not saying that these guys are akin to the Trump administration but it is disappointing ntl.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:31:58am

re: #434 Sir John Barron

Before any of these officials resign, and beyond just saying they regret their actions, I hope they can explain maybe why they did it or what the context was, what they were trying to portray, etc.

Although I realize that might make things worse for them and possibly inflame the situation. But it helps to know more about these things, why people did what they did, what they were thinking, whether they knew in some way they were behaving badly even if it was accepted.

Right. I don’t need or necessarily want a blanket resignation. I want an explanation for why they thought this was a good idea and why it’s not acceptable now. I think Herring has thus far shown that more than Northam.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:32:54am

re: #430 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I understand your take, but a lot of Democrats did exactly that and still had plenty of money to run on thanks to ActBlue. If they have an alternative which then allows them to call out the GOP being dependent on corporate money, whats not to like?

It will be interesting to see how that plays in 2020. The money scale is going to be off the charts.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:32:59am

Interesting thoughts in this thread:

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:33:42am

Do you thread your tweets by replying to your prior tweet in order?

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:33:56am

BTW, it’s not just abortion that I bet’s driving this with the GOP in VA. It would be much beetter to have a Democratic governor in 2020 for redistricting.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:35:15am

re: #430 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I understand your take, but a lot of Democrats did exactly that and still had plenty of money to run on thanks to ActBlue. If they have an alternative which then allows them to call out the GOP being dependent on corporate money, whats not to like?

As I said, avoidance fine, blanket disavowal, not.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:35:19am

Schiff lays out Intel panel’s Russia probe parameters

They include matters directly related to Russian interference; possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Moscow; whether a foreign actor has sought to compromise or holds leverage over President Trump; whether Trump or anyone in his orbit are under foreign influence; and whether any actors are trying to “impede” or “obstruct” investigations into these matters.
thehill.com

Nunes is not a happy man today..

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:35:28am

re: #444 CongoJack

Click that + icon next to the tweet button to add a threaded tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:35:55am

re: #445 Belafon

BTW, it’s not just abortion that I bet’s driving this with the GOP in VA. It would be much beetter to have a Democratic governor in 2020 for redistricting.

Absolutely.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:37:36am

re: #443 jaunte

Interesting thoughts in this thread:

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I’m hoping that it can spark a real discussion about race and racism. About why we have made race a social construct.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:37:54am

re: #445 Belafon

BTW, it’s not just abortion that I bet’s driving this with the GOP in VA. It would be much beetter to have a Democratic governor in 2020 for redistricting.

re: #449 HappyWarrior

Absolutely.

The GOP is good at the long con.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:37:57am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

We are counting our micro-aggressions while the opposition has lost count of the brown children they have kidnapped at the border. Better learn to master the difference.

And make those differences very apparent to everyone.

We need to make those scales of justice work again because right now they are not only rigged out of calibration, there are a lot thumbs on one of the pans.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:38:28am

Another penitent is given print space:

What I’ve Gained by Leaving the Republican Party

…who then goes on to admonish “the left” to be more open to…conservative thinking…because he’s just discovered new perspective on Republican racism and small-mindedness because Trump made it obvious.

After read several of these, the recurring theme is becoming clear: even though the apologist is ceding that liberal critics were correct, and have been correct for decades, about the state of US conservatism, that discernment grants no credibility or validity to the analysis and policy that US liberals advance (because both sides are awful).

But the conservative penitent, having only just reached the same conclusion—not cutting their own path of reason, but following in the tracks of liberals—having performed a minimal mea culpa* can credit themselves as fresh-eyed and immediately start peddling the insight that liberals are fundamentally unreasonable and axiomatically as bad or worse than conservatives.

*but specifically evaded hard admissions about the especially grotesque acts of key individuals, ie anything Reagan presided, or the lies and poor planning that destroyed Iraq.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:38:51am

re: #450 HappyWarrior

Greed is at the base of it I think.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:40:43am

JFC

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:40:50am

re: #443 jaunte

Interesting thoughts in this thread:

I’ll have to read it later (can’t twitter at work), but I’m hoping it talks about using these to teach and reconcile.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:41:50am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

[Embedded content]

Rosa Parks had threats from the literal Klan.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:42:34am

re: #456 Belafon

Her closing thoughts:

“…what we do need is a robust understanding of the sin of racism, courage to face guilt, and practices of forgiveness and recompense.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:42:43am

re: #453 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Another penitent is given print space:

What I’ve Gained by Leaving the Republican Party

…who then goes on to admonish “the left” to be more open to…conservative thinking…because he’s just discovered new perspective on Republican racism and small-mindedness because Trump made it obvious.

After read several of these, the recurring theme is becoming clear: even though the apologist is ceding that liberal critics were correct, and have been correct for decades, about the state of US conservatism, that discernment grants no credibility or validity to the analysis and policy that US liberals advance (because both sides are awful).

But the conservative penitent, having only just reached the same conclusion—not cutting their own path of reason, but following in the tracks of liberals—having performed a minimal mea culpa* can credit themselves as fresh-eyed and immediately start peddling the insight that liberals are fundamentally unreasonable and axiomatically as bad or worse than conservatives.

*but specifically evaded hard admissions about the especially grotesque acts of key individuals, ie anything Reagan presided, or the lies and poor planning that destroyed Iraq.

He also lies about the NY abortion bill. He may hate Trump but he’s still a liar.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:43:57am

re: #455 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

We should call this blackfacing.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:45:50am

It’s probably smart to preemptively block people who use phrases like “neoliberal fauxgressives” seriously.

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:45:53am

re: #444 CongoJack

Do you thread your tweets by replying to your prior tweet in order?

Almost always. Orphan tweets from others drive me crazy and compel me to try to find their parent when they hit my timeline, so I try extra hard to avoid dumping them on someone else’s.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:46:48am

I ALONE DECIDE TRUPROGRESSIVE

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:46:59am

re: #461 jaunte

It’s probably smart to preemptively block people who use phrases like “neoliberal fauxgressives” seriously.

People who insist Bernie mean more for Civil Rights than Obama.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:47:03am

re: #453 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Another penitent is given print space:

What I’ve Gained by Leaving the Republican Party

…who then goes on to admonish “the left” to be more open to…conservative thinking…because he’s just discovered new perspective on Republican racism and small-mindedness because Trump made it obvious.

After read several of these, the recurring theme is becoming clear: even though the apologist is ceding that liberal critics were correct, and have been correct for decades, about the state of US conservatism, that discernment grants no credibility or validity to the analysis and policy that US liberals advance (because both sides are awful).

But the conservative penitent, having only just reached the same conclusion—not cutting their own path of reason, but following in the tracks of liberals—having performed a minimal mea culpa* can credit themselves as fresh-eyed and immediately start peddling the insight that liberals are fundamentally unreasonable and axiomatically as bad or worse than conservatives.

*but specifically evaded hard admissions about the especially grotesque acts of key individuals, ie anything Reagan presided, or the lies and poor planning that destroyed Iraq.

One again, to be a Dem/Liberal in this country is to always be treated as wrong, even when (especially when?) you’re right.

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CongoJack  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:47:09am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:47:45am

re: #457 HappyWarrior

Rosa Parks had threats from the literal Klan.

Seriously.

Equating getting trashed on Twitter with people who had to endure lynchings and church bombings is way beyond the fucking pale.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:48:14am

re: #466 CongoJack

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He’s an apologist for Kim Jong Un and President Xi. Freedom fighter? Ha ha

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:48:32am

re: #467 Eclectic Cyborg

Seriously.

Equating getting trashed on Twitter with people who had endure lynchings and church bombings is way beyond the fucking pale.

It’s offensive as shit.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:51:00am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

He’s an apologist for Kim Jong Un and President Xi. Freedom fighter? Ha ha

To quote Carlin:

“Well, if crime fighters fight crime and fire fighters fight fires , what do Freedom Fighters fight?”

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:55:15am

re: #465 Citizen K

One again, to be a Dem/Liberal in this country is to always be treated as wrong, even when (especially when?) you’re right.

I mean, dude writes an article in which he admits all the shit he didn’t see and that liberals were right about, then immediately pivots to the idea he has perspective enough to call shots.

It’s almost like all these “conservatives” have a base assumption that their thoughts and feelings are inherently valid, and thus their authority is always legitimate even when they admit they are wrong….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:55:48am
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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:55:57am

Doing some digging on Black Face and just read this at one of the main links. Already learned something I did not know.

The first minstrel shows were performed in 1830s New York by white performers with blackened faces (most used burnt cork or shoe polish) and tattered clothing who imitated and mimicked enslaved Africans on Southern plantations. These performances characterized blacks as lazy, ignorant, superstitious, hypersexual, and prone to thievery and cowardice. Thomas Dartmouth Rice, known as the “Father of Minstrelsy,” developed the first popularly known blackface character, “Jim Crow” in 1830. By 1845, the popularity of the minstrel had spawned an entertainment subindustry, manufacturing songs and sheet music, makeup, costumes, as well as a ready-set of stereotypes upon which to build new performances.

It came from this link: National Museum of African American History and Culture - Blackface: The Birth of An American Stereotype

And this next paragraph mentions that it really was Northern Americans that made it popular. So, not all blame goes to southerners.

Blackface performances grew particularly popular between the end of the Civil War and the turn-of-the century in Northern and Midwestern cities, where regular interaction with African Americans was limited. White racial animus grew following Emancipation when antebellum stereotypes collided with actual African Americans and their demands for full citizenship including the right to vote. The influence of minstrelsy and racial stereotyping on American society cannot be overstated. New media ushered minstrel performances from the stage, across radio and television airwaves, and into theaters. Popular American actors, including Shirley Temple, Judy Garland and Mickey Rooney donned blackface, bridging the minstrel performance across generations, and making blackface (racial parody, and stereotypes) a family amusement.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:56:30am

re: #453 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Another penitent is given print space:

What I’ve Gained by Leaving the Republican Party

…who then goes on to admonish “the left” to be more open to…conservative thinking…because he’s just discovered new perspective on Republican racism and small-mindedness because Trump made it obvious.

After read several of these, the recurring theme is becoming clear: even though the apologist is ceding that liberal critics were correct, and have been correct for decades, about the state of US conservatism, that discernment grants no credibility or validity to the analysis and policy that US liberals advance (because both sides are awful).

But the conservative penitent, having only just reached the same conclusion—not cutting their own path of reason, but following in the tracks of liberals—having performed a minimal mea culpa* can credit themselves as fresh-eyed and immediately start peddling the insight that liberals are fundamentally unreasonable and axiomatically as bad or worse than conservatives.

*but specifically evaded hard admissions about the especially grotesque acts of key individuals, ie anything Reagan presided, or the lies and poor planning that destroyed Iraq.

once again.
while they are in fact without principles, it is only the dems who are despicable
it’s endemic

re: #432 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:56:41am

re: #470 Citizen K

Heh, that reminds me of the old baby oil joke.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:58:08am

re: #475 Eclectic Cyborg

Heh, that reminds me of the old baby oil joke.

Let me guess, it’s similar to the joke about the Girl Scout Cookies?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:58:32am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

He also lies about the NY abortion bill. He may hate Trump but and he’s still a liar.

Peeve of mine

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:58:45am

re: #473 ObserverArt

Doing some digging on Black Face and just read this at one of the main links. Already learned something I did not know.

It came from this link: National Museum of African American History and Culture - Blackface: The Birth of An American Stereotype

And this next paragraph mentions that it really was Northern Americans that made it popular. So, not all blame goes to southerners.

Yeah you know how I have Pittsburgh roots? One of Pittsburgh’s most famous sons was Stephen Foster. He popularized minstrel shows and music. He was from the same neighborhood my second grandparents are buried in.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:59:01am

re: #474 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

At this point the GOP is a culture, and this assumption defines that culture.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:59:57am

re: #471 The Ghost of Quesos Past

I mean, dude writes an article in which he admits all the shit he didn’t see and that liberals were right about, then immediately pivots to the idea he has perspective enough to call shots.

It’s almost like all these “conservatives” have a base assumption that their thoughts and feelings are inherently valid, and thus their authority is always legitimate even when they admit they are wrong….

Introspection is always a bitch for these guys. See Max Boot and Goldwater. They just wanted the “individual rights” of conservatism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:00:15am

re: #476 Citizen K

Let me guess, it’s similar to the joke about the Girl Scout Cookies?

Possibly? It goes like this.

“I was at the grocery store the other day and noticed something interesting: The peanut oil said “Made with Peanuts”, the Canola Oil said “Made from Canola”, the Fish Oil said “Made from fish”. Then I got to the section with the Baby Oil…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:00:18am

re: #461 jaunte

It’s probably smart to preemptively block people who use phrases like “neoliberal fauxgressives” seriously.

Probably took a few hours to conjure that up

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Ferdinand  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:01:37am

Great rant by John Cole over at Balloon Juice on our current blackface moment. I’m a 50 year old born and raised in NJ, and this is exactly the 80s I remember.

First off, working from the premise that “ALL BLACKFACE IS BAD,” I see a qualitative and important distinction between someone in their mid twenties in med school posing either in blackface or standing in a klan robe next to someone in blackface and then posting the picture in their yearbook than I do some 18 or 19 year old jackass dressing up as his favorite rapper (Kurtis Blow) with a bunch of his mates. Obviously, neither is acceptable, but one seems a touch more harmless than the other. I remember kids in the 70’s and 80’s dressing up as the Harlem Globetrotters and I don’t see that coming from a place of racial animus, either.
Second, I also see a distinction between Herring’s response and Northam’s approach. I prefer the former.
Third, while I am glad my fellow melanin challenged Americans are all outraged about this, I just have to ask- did you live under a fucking rock? This isn’t shocking that a bunch of guys in the 70’s and 80’s in Virginia did this shit. I mean it’s shocking in that it’s offensive, but it’s not shocking in the “I had no idea this happened since.” I mean, fer fuck’s sake, in 1986 there was a movie released that was 2 fucking hours of blackface that ran by the name of… Soul Man.

balloon-juice.com

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:02:15am

re: #468 HappyWarrior

He’s an apologist for Kim Jong Un and President Xi. Freedom fighter? Ha ha

Cadet bonespurs

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:02:53am

re: #480 HappyWarrior

I think “no introspection” is part of the the appeal of invoking tradition and appealing to big concepts that root in “tradition.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:03:37am

re: #471 The Ghost of Quesos Past

I mean, dude writes an article in which he admits all the shit he didn’t see and that liberals were right about, then immediately pivots to the idea he has perspective enough to call shots.

It’s almost like all these “conservatives” have a base assumption that their thoughts and feelings are inherently valid, and thus their authority is always legitimate even when they admit they are wrong….

I think we’re detecting a theme here….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:04:10am

O_o

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:04:14am

re: #481 Eclectic Cyborg

Possibly? It goes like this.

“I was at the grocery store the other day and noticed something interesting: The peanut oil said “Made with Peanuts”, the Canola Oil said “Made from Canola”, the Fish Oil said “Made from fish”. Then I got to the section with the Baby Oil…

Yeah, sounds similar. The one I’m thinking of came from the Addams Family film. Snotty Girl Scout goes up to the kids’ lemonade stand and asked if the lemonade is made from real lemons, then offers a trade for her girl scout cookies. Cue Wednesday Addams: “Are they made from real Girl Scouts?”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:04:18am

re: #485 The Ghost of Quesos Past

I think “no introspection” is part of the the appeal of invoking tradition and appealing to big concepts that root in “tradition.”

Hard to argue with that. I think introspection is a big part of my ideology. That and empathy.

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Ferdinand  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:05:04am

re: #483 Ferdinand

Hell blackface humor was rampant in the 80s. Some was National Lampoon style “edgy” in its intent (say, Chevy Chase in blackface as a Laker in Fletch) but in hindsight it sure must have given a lot of cover to all the white racists, and as I later learned in the 90s sure did piss off blacks - who just added it to the long, long list - in reminding them perpetually that they were constantly ridiculed when they had no social power whatsoever. So glad that I never had a taste for that kind of cruel humor.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:05:53am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:06:14am

re: #490 Ferdinand

Hell blackface humor was rampant in the 80s. Some was National Lampoon style “edgy” in its intent (say, Chevy Chase in blackface as a Laker in Fletch) but in hindsight it sure must have given a lot of cover to all the white racists, and as I later learned in the 90s sure did piss off blacks - who just added it to the long, long list - in reminding them perpetually that they were constantly ridiculed when they had no social power whatsoever. So glad that I never had a taste for that kind of cruel humor.

Robert Downey Jr. in “Tropic Thunder” which was made in… 2008!

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:06:31am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:09:01am

I have not been able to force myself to watch the State of the Union. I tried, but I just couldn’t stand it, not even for more than 1 minute.

Was talking to a community activist here in L.A. about a web redesign proposal I’d just submitted, and we were commiserating. She said she can’t watch Trump on TV for more than a minute, or she starts to hyperventilate.

I think we’re all so traumatized by this asshole’s constant barrage of insults, provocations and sheer dumbassery that there’s no real way for us to engage with each other until he’s gone.

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Citizen K  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:09:07am

re: #492 The Vicious Babushka

Robert Downey Jr. in “Tropic Thunder” which was made in… 2008!

At the very least, Tropic Thunder’s example is aware enough to mock the concept of blackface, but yeah.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:10:56am
497
Ferdinand  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:11:22am

re: #495 Citizen K

At the very least, Tropic Thunder’s example is aware enough to mock the concept of blackface, but yeah.

Yeah I did think it was hilarious that his blackface was part of his obsession with method acting and doing everything to transform in to a role. Great metacommentary on acting.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:12:45am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It sounds credible. I really hope it’s not true.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:13:45am

asshole

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:14:00am

Today’s lesson. Learning the history of “Jim Crow”

Summed up from this Wiki entry on Jim Crow Laws.

The phrase “Jim Crow Law” can be found as early as 1892 in the title of a New York Times article about Louisiana requiring segregated railroad cars.[8][9] The origin of the phrase “Jim Crow” has often been attributed to “Jump Jim Crow”, a song-and-dance caricature of blacks performed by white actor Thomas D. Rice in blackface, which first surfaced in 1832 and was used to satirize Andrew Jackson’s populist policies. As a result of Rice’s fame, “Jim Crow” by 1838 had become a pejorative expression meaning “Negro”. When southern legislatures passed laws of racial segregation directed against blacks at the end of the 19th century, these statutes became known as Jim Crow laws.[8]

So, created by a Northerner from New York, became a pejorative that was then used as a name for the South’s segregation laws.

This I did not know. Mind blown and it says to much.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:14:12am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

asshole

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Miserable asshole.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:14:15am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:15:50am

re: #500 ObserverArt

Today’s lesson. Learning the history of “Jim Crow”

Summed up from this Wiki entry on Jim Crow Laws.

So, created by a Northerner from New York, became a pejorative that was then used as a name for the South’s segregation laws.

This I did not know. Mind blown and it says to much.

Which frankly is why I get Southerners being defensive since the North was definitely not great either. It doesn’t excuse Jim Crow laws but rather expose racism is a national not regional legacy.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:15:55am

So, music break.

I’m not a huge fan of pop music general, but I make an exception for French singer Mylene Farmer, because she has such a lovely voice.

Don’t know how I missed up, but she dropped a new album late last year. Here’s the title track.

Mylène Farmer - Désobéissance (Clip officiel)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:17:23am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

During today’s House hearing on #HR8, Rep. Matt Gaetz said

Wait, I think I see the problem here….

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Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:17:46am

re: #496 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ordinarily I would be on her side, but this is far too coordinated, I can’t help but be dubious of her claims.

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:17:55am

re: #494 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I have not been able to force myself to watch the State of the Union. I tried, but I just couldn’t stand it, not even for more than 1 minute.

Was talking to a community activist here in L.A. about a web redesign proposal I’d just submitted, and we were commiserating. She said she can’t watch Trump on TV for more than a minute, or she starts to hyperventilate.

I think we’re all so traumatized by this asshole’s constant barrage of insults, provocations and sheer dumbassery that there’s no real way for us to engage with each other until he’s gone.

I think that has been in play here at Little Green Footballs since the 2016 election results.

508
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:18:18am
509
HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:18:24am

re: #506 Myron Falwell

Ordinarily I would be on her side, but this is far too coordinated, I can’t help but be dubious of her claims.

She first made it a year ago to be fair.

510
Myron Falwell  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:18:50am

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

lol, he wants to be the hard-right’s answer to AOC so bad, it’s eating at him

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:20:09am

re: #510 Myron Falwell

lol, he wants to be the hard-right’s answer to AOC so bad, it’s eating at him

Sucks his district is redder than a MAGA hat.

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:20:19am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:22:14am
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Jay C  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:23:49am

re: #512 jaunte

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17 TONS? 34,000 pounds? From 21 vessels??

I wonder if they snagged all that blow while they were on “shutdown”…?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:24:18am

What a snowflake

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:24:55am

re: #514 Jay C

“Cmdr. Michael Sharp told reporters the drugs were found over the last three months aboard fishing vessels and go-fast boats outfitted to conceal contraband and evade authorities.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:25:21am

re: #515 The Vicious Babushka

What a snowflake

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Didn’t your Dad call a beauty contestant “Ms. Housekeeping” You’re a fraud Ivanka.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:25:53am

re: #516 jaunte

“Cmdr. Michael Sharp told reporters the drugs were found over the last three months aboard fishing vessels and go-fast boats outfitted to conceal contraband and evade authorities.”

See why we need a yuuuuuuge Wall?

/

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Alephnaught  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:25:59am

re: #490 Ferdinand

Hell blackface humor was rampant in the 80s. Some was National Lampoon style “edgy” in its intent (say, Chevy Chase in blackface as a Laker in Fletch) but in hindsight it sure must have given a lot of cover to all the white racists, and as I later learned in the 90s sure did piss off blacks - who just added it to the long, long list - in reminding them perpetually that they were constantly ridiculed when they had no social power whatsoever. So glad that I never had a taste for that kind of cruel humor.

Dan(nananana) Ackroyd in Trading Places, and that’s him playing opposite Eddie Murphy!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:26:48am

re: #515 The Vicious Babushka

What a snowflake

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Be Best, Ivanka!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:27:16am

re: #514 Jay C

17 TONS? 34,000 pounds? From 21 vessels??

I wonder if they snagged all that blow while they were on “shutdown”…?

Coast Guard was not shut down, they just weren’t paid

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:27:34am

Soul Man with C Thomas Howell. Released 1986.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:28:21am
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Jay C  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:29:41am

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

Coast Guard was not shut down, they just weren’t paid

I know, hence the quotes: still an excellent job of interdiction.
Though who knows how much they DIDN’T catch…..

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jaunte  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:31:20am

Adam Schiff Announces House Intel Plan To F*ck Trump-Russia F*ckers The F*ck Up

“…The Committee also plans to release to the public all investigation transcripts, as it is committed to providing the American public with greater transparency and insight into Russia’s operations and the U.S. government’s response. To protect ongoing investigative interests and information that remains classified, the Committee will release transcripts in a manner and according to a timetable that allows continued pursuit of important leads and testimony, while ensuring that the American people have faith in the process and can assess for themselves the evidence that has been uncovered, while legitimate national security interests continue to be protected.”

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:32:44am

re: #155 Single-handed sailor

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I’ll get you, and your little dog too!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:45:46am

re: #500 ObserverArt

Today’s lesson. Learning the history of “Jim Crow”

Summed up from this Wiki entry on Jim Crow Laws.

So, created by a Northerner from New York, became a pejorative that was then used as a name for the South’s segregation laws.

This I did not know. Mind blown and it says to much.

To add to the fun, the white guy who used it heard it first from a black man (I don’t remember the details, and it would take me a while to chase them down).

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:15:11pm

re: #512 jaunte

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Man, the mules’ legs must’ve been much bigger than cantaloupes.

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Old Liberal  Feb 6, 2019 • 3:30:44pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Katrina saying that a multiethnic group of women wearing white may be the most Katrina thing ever. Watch Dumbo Jr RT it.

I just realized, Navy dress whites are a klan costume. Same with tennis whites. Don’t wear klan until after Memorial Day

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 6, 2019 • 4:20:20pm

re: #512 jaunte

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WE NEED A SEA WALL!!


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