The Perfect Take: Monica Martin & Scary Pockets, “Thoughtless”

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A live version of “Thoughtless” written by Monica Martin and Eg White.

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Musicians
Lead vocal: Monica Martin
Keys: Jack Conte
Guitar: Ryan Lerman
Drums: Tamir Barzilay
Bass: Daniel Aged
Trumpet: Jean Caze
Sax: Jake Saslow

Recording Engineer: Omar Yakar
Mixing/Mastering: Caleb Parker
Cinematography/Editing: Ricky Chavez

Recorded Live at Boulevard in Hollywood, CA.

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lawhawk  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:01:56pm

Jill Abramson is in a world of trouble. Plagiarizing in her latest book… not a good look for a former NYT Editor:

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ObserverArt  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:03:20pm

Monica Martin has a nice smooth voice. Good band, good tune.

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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:04:45pm

re: #1 lawhawk

It appears as if there is a rash of problems with not citing sources:

Endarkenment now

[…]

But not all critics are trolls, and not all disagreements are matters of opinion. I don’t think the degree of flubs that are coming out in Pinker’s work can be explained away as inevitable results of public exposure, and I don’t think he is uniquely targeted by critics with politics that disagree with his. Any writer who aspires to have his work read by hundreds of thousands of people, whose words may influence political and business leaders, should be held to the highest standard of accuracy.

For me, the bottom line is that the kind of money harvested by Pinker’s books should support a few fact-checkers and research assistants to check the footnotes and provide additional sources.

[…]

See original at: Steven Pinker’s fake enlightenment: His book is full of misleading claims and false assertions

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:05:21pm

Matt Gaetz is a thug who tried to silence critics, during the House HR8 hearings.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:07:26pm

That was a good song. It says a lot about how good both parts are that they work this well together, but I’m left wanting more.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:13:45pm

re: #5 Belafon

I like your icon. :)

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:16:06pm

re: #6 PhillyPretzel

I like your icon. :)

Someone posted the image last night, and I knew I had to have it. The problem was, I had just reinstalled Linux, and I didn’t have a paint program installed, so I’m sitting here tapping my fingers as Kolourpaint takes forever to install. “Hurry up!”

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Chrysicat  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:18:45pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:32:05pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:38:21pm

Rough day at work. Jeff’s Gourmet Sausages came to my rescue tonight!

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:42:33pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:44:32pm

re: #12 teleskiguy

BUT IT’LL BE DIFFERENT THE SECOND TIME!!!!!

Insanity (n.): Trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:49:55pm

These are the last two paragraphs of Gore Vidal’s obituary of William F. Buckley, Jr., from 2008.

The unique mess that our republic is in can be, in part, attributed to a corrupt press whose roots are in mendacious news (sic) magazines like Time and Newsweek, aided by tabloids that manufacture fictional stories about actual people. This mingling of opinion and fiction has undone a media never devoted to truth. Hence, the ease with which the Republican smear-machine goes into action when they realize that yet again the party’s permanent unpopularity with the American people will cause them defeat unless they smear individually those who question the junk that the media has put into so many heads. Anyone who says “We gotta fight ‘em over there or we’re gonna have to fight ‘em over here.” This absurdity has been pronounced by every Republican seeking high office. The habit of lying is now a national style that started with “news” magazines that was further developed by pathological liars that proved to be “good” Entertainment on TV. But a diet of poison that has done none of us any good.

I speak ex cathedra now, ad urbe et orbe, with a warning that no society so marinated in falsity can long survive in a real world.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 7:55:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:02:36pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

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Now that would be a cool one. Two of our greatest icons that transcend the ages chatting. You could get Mark Twain to moderate.

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calochortus  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:03:44pm

re: #3 freetoken

It appears as if there is a rash of problems with not citing sources:

Endarkenment now

See original at: Steven Pinker’s fake enlightenment: His book is full of misleading claims and false assertions

I really didn’t like Enlightenment Now as much as Pinker’s earlier works. It struck me that he was cherry picking to support some of his contentions. A bit of a disappointment to me.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:05:52pm

re: #4 DodgerFan1988

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Matt Gaetz is a thug who tried to silence critics, during the House HR8 hearings.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:06:55pm

re: #15 teleskiguy

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I’m the 16th President to these United States, and you are?

I’m the second man to step onto the moon.

(His would be be fun to watch)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:09:30pm

re: #19 Kilroy was here

I’m the 16th President to these United States, and you are?

I’m the second man to step onto the moon.

(His would be be fun to watch)

Just think when we’re gone, Buzz will be talked about in the same way Lincoln is. Someone who truly was in the immortal words of Stanton one for ages.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:09:59pm

re: #19 Kilroy was here

I’m the 16th President to these United States, and you are?

I’m the second man to step onto the moon.

(His would be be fun to watch)

“I’m the second man to step onto the moon.”

[Chokes.] “Bullshit.”

“Why, Abe, I never took you for a swearin’ man.”

“Son, I fought the Civil War, you bet your ass I swore.”

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:13:49pm

The skiing is good. It wasn’t this deep where I skied today, though.

Five feet of snow in three days. Unreal.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:15:12pm

At our ski area, we’ve gotten two feet in two days.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:15:17pm

I wish we could have heard Abe’s voice so we could imagine him saying those words. From a historian POV, that’s what I hate about Trump. He really thinks he’s up there with our greats.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:16:04pm

re: #23 teleskiguy

At our ski area, we’ve gotten two feet in two days.

We’re getting back-to-back snowstorms of 4-6” here in the Twin Cities. Not as much of a big deal, perhaps, except when you think about that’s in a highly populated area and not on the mountainside.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:16:27pm

This much snow fell in about three hours last night.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:19:25pm

There is no modesty to Trump. If Abs Lincoln represents the best of what America is about, frankly Trump is the worst. As I said, I can’t even find myself seeing anything to like. He’s a fellow sports fan but he’s what I hate about fandom. And ffs the man hates dogs.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:20:30pm
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Ace-o-aces  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:20:59pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:23:18pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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Poor dolphin.

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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:23:49pm

As many I am a fan of Alice Roberts… but I did not know she is the new president of Humanists UK:

‘What makes us human?’ Professor Alice Roberts on the Jeremy Vine podcast

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:25:24pm

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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They call him Flipper,
Flipper, FBI agent!
No Republican you see
Is smarter than he!

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Kilroy was here  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:30:18pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Poor dolphin.

No way he was there on porpoise…

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:31:22pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

Poor dolphin.

Poor Maria. She had to sleep with that guy. Putin owes her one heck of a pension.

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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:32:23pm
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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:34:39pm

The know-nothings are taking over the comment stream on that NASA video.

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Interesting Times  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:36:04pm

If it weren’t for the ongoing Brexit fiasco, I think I’d be all for this:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:36:14pm

I always love seeing Talky Tomi from the Twilight Zone get another smackdown!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:38:15pm

re: #38 Joe Bacon 🌹

I always love seeing Talky Tomi from the Twilight Zone get another smackdown!

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As a genealogist, I love seeing that. But then I get jealous because I don’t know much about my second and third grandparents lol.

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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:38:45pm

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HappyWarrior  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:39:07pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

If it weren’t for the ongoing Brexit fiasco, I think I’d be all for this:

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It’s a clusterfuck and the Virginia GOP is loving every moment of it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:42:20pm

re: #41 HappyWarrior

It’s a clusterfuck and the Virginia GOP is loving every moment of it.

No doubt in my mind that Stone planned this.

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freetoken  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:43:18pm

“If I were the fly I’d be a little bit turned on”:

Man V Fly | Bride | Season 2 | Dead Parrot

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:44:13pm

My favorite married couple

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gocart mozart  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:50:52pm

True story

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:53:03pm

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:54:35pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:57:42pm

This is the second selfie I’ve taken today with my new iPhone X. The damn thing is turning me into a narcissist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 6, 2019 • 8:58:54pm

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:03:08pm

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:03:52pm

re: #49 Eclectic Cyborg

That looks too scary to watch in a theater. I’ll wait till it’s on Netflix like I did with “Get Out”.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:09:12pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

That looks too scary to watch in a theater. I’ll wait till it’s on Netflix like I did with “Get Out”.

Last movie I saw in a theater was LOTR: ROTK, in 2005
About this time of year.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:09:53pm
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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:13:10pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

That looks too scary to watch in a theater. I’ll wait till it’s on Netflix like I did with “Get Out”.

For someone who made his bones in comedy, Peele is rolling full-bore into making a name for himself in horror (and sci-fi drama, with his Twilight Zone reboot).

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:14:07pm

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:48:55pm

So I take a 36 hr involuntary vacation away from politics, come back and find out that I may have a Republican governor before week’s end because all three of the men at the top are embroiled in scandals, all three of which fall into the “must resign for good of the party” range.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:51:07pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

So I take a 36 hr involuntary vacation away from politics, come back and find out that I may have a Republican governor before week’s end because all three of the men at the top are embroiled in scandals, all three of which fall into the “must resign for good of the party” range.

A lot of people are realizing that the AG also resigning would not be for the good of the party.

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teleskiguy  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:52:58pm
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Renaissance_Man  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:54:04pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

So I take a 36 hr involuntary vacation away from politics, come back and find out that I may have a Republican governor before week’s end because all three of the men at the top are embroiled in scandals, all three of which fall into the “must resign for good of the party” range.

I really don’t think ‘once dressed as a rapper for a party’ constitutes a ‘must resign’ offence. To be honest, I don’t even think it’s especially racist.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 9:55:01pm

re: #59 Renaissance_Man

I really don’t think ‘once dressed as a rapper for a party’ constitutes a ‘must resign’ offence. To be honest, I don’t even think it’s especially racist.

That wasn’t the tune people were singing last week.

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Belafon  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:01:48pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

That wasn’t the tune people were singing last week.

I’m pretty sure “standing next to a guy dressed like a Klansman and then not taking responsibility” was the kicker.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:07:16pm

re: #59 Renaissance_Man

I really don’t think ‘once dressed as a rapper for a party’ constitutes a ‘must resign’ offence. To be honest, I don’t even think it’s especially racist.

re: #60 Targetpractice

That wasn’t the tune people were singing last week.

While blackface, in this day and age, is crass and insensitive, at the very least, context and intent count for a lot; Herring was dressing as a rapper for a party in 1980, a time when there wasn’t any well-known white rappers out there, AFAIK, so Herring and his buddies decided to dress as the ones they knew about (like Kurtis Blow), while Northam dressed in minstrel blackface and stood next to someone in Klan garb to have a pic snapped. Also, the difference between Herring and Northam is how they’ve handled things after their recent outings; Herring seems to have been forthright and contrite, while Northam has been anything but, especially when he tried to walk back his admission.

That shows me what their true character is, in a nutshell.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:07:39pm

re: #61 Belafon

I’m pretty sure “standing next to a guy dressed like a Klansman and then not taking responsibility” was the kicker.

The “not taking responsibility” part came after the calls for his resignation began, preceded by assertions that blackface was never acceptable, certainly not in the 80s, and “he should have known better!” Being KKK-adjacent was viewed like a modifier to a criminal charge, there to bump up the “seriousness” of the offense.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:13:30pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:18:15pm
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Renaissance_Man  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:19:25pm

re: #60 Targetpractice

That wasn’t the tune people were singing last week.

Well, I think there’s a significant difference between Ralph Northam’s offence and this event. A minstrel costume and a KKK costume are explicitly racist symbols. Dressing as a contemporary rapper really isn’t. Again, I am willing to listen to contrary viewpoints and I realise my opinion may be one of ignorance, but I’m not especially offended.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:25:25pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

The “not taking responsibility” part came after the calls for his resignation began, preceded by assertions that blackface was never acceptable, certainly not in the 80s, and “he should have known better!” Being KKK-adjacent was viewed like a modifier to a criminal charge, there to bump up the “seriousness” of the offense.

Herring’s incident was certainly crass and insensitive by our modern standards, even more than it was back then (and that was a time when you still had very popular movies with very respected actors playing characters that did blackface as part of their plots [Gene Wilder in Silver Streak and Dan Ackroyd in Trading Places, albeit with involvement with their just-as-popular A-A co-stars [Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy, respectively]), but, from what I’ve read about it, there was no intent to mock or demean, just a very ill-advised attempt to emulate someone in the pop culture at the time and I think that he’s handled his admission and apology well; I certainly can’t say the same for Northam, even with his record in public service up through when his incident came out last week (although his apparent dustup with Fairfax over the Lee-Jackson Day stuff and before makes me wonder how much he has changed).

In their respective aftermaths, Herring’s being contrite and apologetic, while Northam fucking botched it (and is still botching it) very badly

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:26:13pm

re: #66 Renaissance_Man

Well, I think there’s a significant difference between Ralph Northam’s offence and this event. A minstrel costume and a KKK costume are explicitly racist symbols. Dressing as a contemporary rapper really isn’t. Again, I am willing to listen to contrary viewpoints and I realise my opinion may be one of ignorance, but I’m not especially offended.

All I can say is the time to make distinctions and discuss the realities of racial politics in the 80s was last Friday, when the whole thing initially began and we could have looked like we were being a party that accepted people who had changed and progressed past the ignorance of the past.

Now? Now it looks like political opportunism, giving Herring a pass so we can avoid giving up the entire VA leadership to the VA GOP.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:33:45pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

All I can say is the time to make distinctions and discuss the realities of racial politics in the 80s was last Friday, when the whole thing initially began and we could have looked like we were being a party that accepted people who had changed and progressed past the ignorance of the past.

Now? Now it looks like political opportunism, giving Herring a pass so we can avoid giving up the entire VA leadership to the VA GOP.

To me it looks like three different offenses, only two of which might rise to “resignation” level.”

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:35:39pm

That’s right, I said it.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:36:24pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

All I can say is the time to make distinctions and discuss the realities of racial politics in the 80s was last Friday, when the whole thing initially began and we could have looked like we were being a party that accepted people who had changed and progressed past the ignorance of the past.

Now? Now it looks like political opportunism, giving Herring a pass so we can avoid giving up the entire VA leadership to the VA GOP.

Frankly, we can pontificate on this all we want, but other than HappyWarrior, most of us don’t have any real skin in this game, other than on a broader societal scale; ultimately, it going to be up to the people of VA whether or not Northam, Fairfax (who’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish, to be sure), and Herring are forced to resign or are removed.

Other than that, we’re just waiting like everyone else for the other shoe(s) to drop.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:37:11pm

re: #71 TedStriker

Frankly, we can pontificate on this all we want, but other than HappyWarrior, most of us don’t have any real skin in this game, other than on a broader societal scale; ultimately, it going to be up to the people of VA whether or not Northam, Fairfax (who’s a whole ‘nother kettle of fish, to be sure), and Herring are forced to resign or are removed.

Other than that, we’re just waiting like everyone else for the other shoe(s) to drop.

*clears throat* I live in Virginia Beach. Just FYI.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:38:15pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

Cindy is just the latest iteration of “Busybodies with Cellphones,” like BBQ Becky.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:40:43pm

re: #72 Targetpractice

*clears throat* I live in Virginia Beach. Just FYI.

Sorry, didn’t know/remember that…

Well, you, Happy, and any other VA Lizards certainly do have all the skin in this game, while I’m just pontificating from afar (well, TN…far enough).

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gwangung  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:42:25pm

Daresay that the Virginia African American community has A LOT of skin in this game.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:43:31pm

re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Cindy is just the latest iteration of “Busybodies with Cellphones,” like BBQ Becky.

snitches get stitches.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:47:01pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:49:34pm

re: #73 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Cindy is just the latest iteration of “Busybodies with Cellphones,” like BBQ Becky.

But with a LOT more clout. I also like how this would never have come to light if she hadn’t confabulated a fantasy version of events where her suspicions were correct. That’s pathological af.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:51:20pm

re: #75 gwangung

Daresay that the Virginia African American community has A LOT of skin in this game.

Oh yeah, and I’m sure there are a lot of them that are pissed at all three for their various (alleged, in Fairfax’s case) offenses.

Again, just my opinion, but given what we know of their (alleged) incidents and their related damage control measures, it seems to me Herring stands the best chance of surviving and retaining/regaining voter trust; Northam fucking botched his chance to repent and Fairfax seems completely boned, if what he did is true.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:52:45pm

re: #76 Single-handed sailor

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snitches get stitches.

People should notify police if they see suspicious behavior, but a child not looking like his or her parent is not suspicious behavior*. If the child looks uncomfortable, like he or she is being coerced, or if the parent is overly physical with the kid (“come with me!”), then maybe that’s suspicious, but AFAIK most child trafficking does not pass through commercial airports. Too much ID checking and security there to make a trafficker comfortable. If Ms McCain was trying to get brownie points for being a vigilant citizen, she was trying too hard this time.

* Kids can be adopted, accompanying an uncle, aunt, step-parent, grandparent, or just genetically divergent from their parents because DNA does that sometimes.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:55:09pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 10:55:23pm

Here’s the big problem with the argument that Herring deserves a pass because he fessed up to wearing blackface and “handled it better”: He was part of the chorus of Dems calling for Northam’s resignation. He waited days to make his own admission and seek forgiveness for it, only doing so after it back a very real possibility that he’d soon be the new governor. He’s “handling it better” because he’s basically groveling and banking on state and national Dems being hesitant to give over VA to the GOP to save his ass. It may be more politically savvy than the way that Northam has handled the matter, but it’s no less self-serving.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:03:44pm

re: #75 gwangung

Daresay that the Virginia African American community has A LOT of skin in this game.

Indeed yes, and I’d be interested to know whether they want to lose those three flawed Democrats (or one or two of them), when they consider the alternative.

As to who has skin in the game, I don’t want my party to overlook any and all sins (if I did, I’d be a Repug), but I also don’t want to be part of the purity party. Wearing an offensive costume as a teenager 30 years ago should not be a firing offense.

The other two are not so clear-cut — but bloody George Wallace managed to overcome his past. I’d rather be part of a party where that is possible.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:07:59pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Here’s the big problem with the argument that Herring deserves a pass because he fessed up to wearing blackface and “handled it better”: He was part of the chorus of Dems calling for Northam’s resignation. He waited days to make his own admission and seek forgiveness for it, only doing so after it back a very real possibility that he’d soon be the new governor. He’s “handling it better” because he’s basically groveling and banking on state and national Dems being hesitant to give over VA to the GOP to save his ass. It may be more politically savvy than the way that Northam has handled the matter, but it’s no less self-serving.

It really is a “Sophie’s choice”, ain’t it?

Keep our integrity and honesty as Dems by “talking the talk and walking the walk” in forcing out VA’s Dem leadership, with the VA GOP taking over in a bloodless coup they no doubt helped to engineer, or circle the wagons and hope to salvage the “least offensive/damaged”, but showing everyone that we’d ultimately compromise our principles for power, just like the Republicans. I know what I said about Herring, but, ultimately, it’s not up to me; I just look at his offense through the lens of what he said he was doing and his stated intent and the pop culture of the time, and his reaction to the revelation. Of course, I’m not in VA and you are, so you know better than I.

As the man said, every way you look at it, you lose…

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:09:23pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Here’s the big problem with the argument that Herring deserves a pass because he fessed up to wearing blackface and “handled it better”: He was part of the chorus of Dems calling for Northam’s resignation. He waited days to make his own admission and seek forgiveness for it, only doing so after it back a very real possibility that he’d soon be the new governor. He’s “handling it better” because he’s basically groveling and banking on state and national Dems being hesitant to give over VA to the GOP to save his ass. It may be more politically savvy than the way that Northam has handled the matter, but it’s no less self-serving.

Nonsense. Northam took part in a Klan and blackface tableau, Herring dressed up as someone he admired for a party. One of those things is not like the other.

(And I have to go to bed. No doubt we will revisit this at some later time.)

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:10:22pm

re: #85 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Nonsense. Northam took part in a Klan and blackface tableau, Herring dressed up as someone he admired for a party. One of those things is not like the other.

(And I have to go to bed. No doubt we will revisit this at some later time.)

Herring didn’t make a distinction when he was joining in the tarring and feathering.

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TedStriker  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:14:30pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Herring didn’t make a distinction when he was joining in the tarring and feathering.

Yeah, that was definitely shitty on his part; he should have just came out with his confession right then and stayed out of the Northam dogpile.

He would have gotten more respect for that and, possibly, saved his own hide; he still may save his own hide, but he’ll still be damaged goods for piling on Northam with his own skeleton in the closet.

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Targetpractice  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:16:46pm

re: #84 TedStriker

It really is a “Sophie’s choice”, ain’t it?

Keep our integrity and honesty as Dems by “talking the talk and walking the walk” in forcing out VA’s Dem leadership, with the VA GOP taking over in a bloodless coup they no doubt engineered, or circle the wagons and hope to salvage the “least offensive/damaged”, but showing everyone that we’d ultimately compromise our principles for power, just like the Republicans. I know what I said about Herring, but, ultimately, it’s not up to me; I just look at his offense through the lens of what he said he was doing and his stated intent and the pop culture of the time, and his reaction to the revelation. Of course, I’m not in VA and you are, so you know better than I.

Any way you look at it, you lose…

Very true, which is why I wish we’d been having this discussion last Friday, when it would have mattered whether or not we were willing to forgive for stupid shit done in the past. We were comfortable last week with voting Northam off the island because we had two other Dems to cushion the fall, figuring we were safe until 2021 when Fairfax or Herring could run for their own terms. Not much comfort there in that thought now…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:20:21pm

heh

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sagehen  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:24:41pm

re: #80 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

* Kids can be adopted, accompanying an uncle, aunt, step-parent, grandparent, or just genetically divergent from their parents because DNA does that sometimes.

I suppose it’s a different form of racism that when I see a black or brown woman with a white child, my instinctive first reaction is “nanny”.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:50:09pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 6, 2019 • 11:55:38pm

re: #90 sagehen

I suppose it’s a different form of racism that when I see a black or brown woman with a white child, my instinctive first reaction is “nanny”.

I have friends in biracial marriages who have encountered that assumption. Historically, though, most of the time, a woman of color accompanying a white child was the kid’s nanny, at least in the USA. Now, it’s more common she be the kid’s mom or stepmom.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:03:56am

Hidden because I don’t want this flagged and deleted on youtube. I hate having to find replacement bookmarked music, especially albums. Lost my last HD quality White Album link.

THE BAND - MUSIC FROM BIG PINK.(MFSL SACD) Full Album HQ

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Targetpractice  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:04:10am

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

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“Never a mistake to stand up for what you believe in.”

I don’t remember Mikey saying that when the DNC closed the gov’t down for 3 days to push for a DACA extension.

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freetoken  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:38:44am
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:52:56am
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:23:17am

When I heard about Trump’s HIV treatment promise last night I knew it was going to be horseshit, but I still didn’t predict his administration would fuck it up this quickly.

Less than 24 hours after President Donald Trump vowed to end HIV transmission in the United States within a decade, the Department of Justice announced that a U.S. attorney has filed a civil lawsuit to halt the creation of supervised injection sites, which exist to prevent opioid overdoses and the sharing of contaminated needles by intravenous drug users.

Can’t wait to see the renewed focus on abstinence only.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:13:42am

Some more developments in the case of that failed Canadian cryptocurrency exchange. The CEO was reported to have died (with the passcodes needed to run the exchange presumably stored in “wet memory” - his brain) in India of complications from Crohn’s disease, but some angry customers of the exchange were not convinced he was really dead.

The hospital in India that treated him has released some details of his demise. He was admitted to the hospital in critical condition, was being treated for severe sepsis, but suffered cardiac arrest. They revived him, but he then had another cardiac arrest and no further resuscitation efforts succeeded.

So, he’s most assuredly dead.

coindesk.com

Does make you wonder why a person with Crohn’s disease would travel to a remote part of India by himself, putting both himself and the future of his company at risk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:24:28am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Does make you wonder why a person with Crohn’s disease would travel to a remote part of India by himself, putting both himself and the future of his company at risk.

Because it is easier to pay off the local authorities to fake a death?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:35:03am

re: #99 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because it is easier to pay off the local authorities to fake a death?

Quite possibly, but I think he may have miscalculated on the not-dying part.

“Doctor, tell my wife … tell my wife … the passcode is … the passcode is … ah!”
{beeeeeeeeeeppppp}

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:37:45am

Great astrophotography shot here.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:48:37am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, it seems he was not alone. His wife accompanied him to the hospital. The editing time for my #98 has passed. Here’s a link to a local newspaper story about the case.
timesofindia.indiatimes.com

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:13:29am

Interesting article here on the very high mobile phone tariffs we pay here in the Czech Republic.

news.expats.cz

It notes in the beginning of the article that Illiad, an Italian-based operator, offers unlimited calls and texts along with 30 GB of mobile data runs just €6 (160 crowns).

If Illiad could get into the Czech market with that price level, they’d clean up in two or three years - hell, they’d probably end up with 80% of the market.

Sad truth is, the current big three operators here (O2, Vodafone and T-Mobile) are essentially a cartel, and while it’s never been officially substantiated, it’s widely held that the big three have a “gentleman’s agreement” not to compete too much in order to keep prices at their currently high levels. A fourth operator, like the aforementioned Illiad, would force them to compete……or see their respective market positions basically decimated.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:14:50am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

I had to edit that - to see the complete comment, hit refresh.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:31:05am

It’s awake and afraid. Very afraid.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:35:38am

re: #105 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

This little clip is going to prove extremely useful over the next few months.

Bender Shit Bricks [720p]

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:41:51am

re: #106 Dr Lizardo

Other than the last, this seems to have rattled him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:42:27am

re: #105 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

So now Congressman Adam Schiff announces, after having found zero Russian Collusion, that he is going to be looking at every aspect of my life, both financial and personal, even though there is no reason to be doing so. Never happened before! Unlimited Presidential Harassment….

says the Prez who refuses to release his tax returns…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:45:10am

re: #107 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Other than the last, this seems to have rattled him.

[Embedded content]

Friday is coming. Shit happens on Fridays.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:47:46am

BTW, on the industrial hemp side of things, it getting interesting here in Idaho.

Police seize almost 7,000 pounds of cannabis from a truck. But the company that bought it says it’s all legal

The interstate commerce clause is going to get a workout.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:50:41am

re: #107 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Other than the last, this seems to have rattled him.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, he’s scared. But it raises a concern on my part too, because like that old adage goes, there’s nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:52:45am

re: #110 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

BTW, on the industrial hemp side of things, it getting interesting here in Idaho.

Police seize almost 7,000 pounds of cannabis from a truck. But the company that bought it says it’s all legal

The interstate commerce clause is going to get a workout.

No problem if it had been concealed handguns…

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jeffreyw  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:53:43am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 3:54:11am

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, he’s scared. But it raises a concern on my part too, because like that old adage goes, there’s nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal.

He has not begun to pull out his Trumps, so to speak, he can declare a war or an emergency. I am somehow expecting some sort of incident arising soon that can be used to justify such a move…something involving terrorists, illegal immigrants, gangs, drugs and rape/murder…

it’s just a shoot-off-at-the-mouth away

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:04:32am

In Brexit news, my jimmies; they are rustled.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:07:24am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

In Brexit news, my jimmies; they are rustled.

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She’ll make her pitch, and they’ll say, “No.”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:09:10am

re: #116 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

She’ll make her pitch, and they’ll say, “No.”

Alternatively, Tusk and Juncker will ask her, “So…..what’s your Brexit plan?”

And May will answer, “Well…..ummh….errrr……..”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:10:18am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Alternatively, Tusk and Juncker will ask her, “So…..what’s your Brexit plan?”

And May will answer, “Well…..ummh….errrr……..”

I honestly don’t know how she will remain in office after this.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:10:34am

LOL, that was quick.

Juncker tells May he will not reopen Brexit deal talks

Jean-Claude Juncker has stuck to his message that no changes can be brought into the Withdrawal Agreement, rejected by parliament.

news.sky.com?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:11:30am

re: #118 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I honestly don’t know how she will remain in office after this.

She’s like one of those creatures from some B horror film that simply cannot be killed. Or Cthulhu.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:12:18am

re: #120 Dr Lizardo

She’s like one of those creatures from some B horror film that simply cannot be killed. Or Cthulhu.

Or Newt Gingrich

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:13:06am

re: #115 Dr Lizardo

Downing Street confirms Theresa May is taking no new proposals for breaking the Brexit deadlock into her meetings with Juncker and Tusk today: “This was never going to be easy.” Nothing has changed.

They are opening up new special places in hell for these people…

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:13:14am

re: #111 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, he’s scared. But it raises a concern on my part too, because like that old adage goes, there’s nothing more dangerous than a cornered animal.

Believe it or not, I think that when push comes to shove, he will hit a point that even Mcturtle will have to say enough is enough and toss him under the bus. It happened to Nixon and he was a hell of a lot smarter than tRump.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:19:34am

re: #123 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Believe it or not, I think that when push comes to shove, he will hit a point that even Mcturtle will have to say enough is enough and toss him under the bus. It happened to Nixon and he was a hell of a lot smarter than tRump.

Mitch is above all a politician, who wants to keep his seat in 2020. If he remains tied to Trump, and Trump goes down in flames, Mitch will, too. It’s reasonable to assume that Mitch is going to have to tell Donnie to his face, “Adios mofo, you’re on your own now.”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:23:16am

re: #123 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

re: #124 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Good point; Mitch wants to keep his Senate seat above all, and if that means throwing Trump under the bus, he’ll probably do it.

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steve_davis  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:27:40am

re: #19 Kilroy was here

I’m the 16th President to these United States, and you are?

I’m the second man to step onto the moon.

(His would be be fun to watch)

as i recall, william shatner once met both Lincoln and Genghis Khan, so there’s hope….

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steve_davis  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:30:02am

re: #29 Ace-o-aces

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And so now he apparently is swimming with the fishes….
(Dolphin): “I’m not a fish, you speciest mother******!”

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:40:38am

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

Good point; Mitch wants to keep his Senate seat above all, and if that means throwing Trump under the bus, he’ll probably do it.

tRump has just about used up his value to the GOP. The only thing he has left is his position (currently) on abortion and that isn’t going to go anywhere now that the Dems have control of the House. As it stands, Speaker Pelosi is more or less in the drivers seat and every time tRump tries to take the wheel, she slaps him down, hard. McTurtle knows this. The only question is, when will he publicly acknowledge it and start to work with her? Tomorrow The 15th will be a big tell because that’s when the CR expires. Will he allow tRump to shut the Government down again, or will he tell him to fuck off?

Edited to correct the date. My bad.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:48:04am

re: #128 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

It expires tomorrow? Time flies. The last shutdown seems like only yesterday.

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steve_davis  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:48:12am

re: #56 Targetpractice

So I take a 36 hr involuntary vacation away from politics, come back and find out that I may have a Republican governor before week’s end because all three of the men at the top are embroiled in scandals, all three of which fall into the “must resign for good of the party” range.

Not really. The governor isn’t going to resign. The lieutenant governor certainly isn’t going to resign, because as far as anyone can tell, he didn’t do anything. The attorney general isn’t going to resign because clearly he got out in front of this so as to specifically avoid having to resign later when the discovery of the black-face incident came out.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:49:11am

re: #129 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It expires tomorrow? Time flies. The last shutdown seems like only yesterday.

No, not until the 15th.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:50:40am

re: #130 steve_davis

Not really. The governor isn’t going to resign. The lieutenant governor certainly isn’t going to resign, because as far as anyone can tell, he didn’t do anything. The attorney general isn’t going to resign because clearly he got out in front of this so as to specifically avoid having to resign later when the discovery of the black-face incident came out.

Unless the AG lied about his incident, which he claimed involved him and his African-American friend dressing as each other when they were 19, I don’t see any reason for him to resign.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:53:34am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, not until the 15th.

My bad. Correction has been made. Thanks.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:55:17am

re: #131 NO SMOCKING GUN!

No, not until the 15th.

So another week to go. A lot can happen in a week.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:56:41am

re: #134 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So another week to go. A lot can happen in a week.

One thing that won’t happen is the Democrats agreeing to building Trump’s Wall, leaving him boxed into a crisis of his own making in which he only has bad choices.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:57:20am

re: #132 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Unless the AG lied about his incident, which he claimed involved him and his African-American friend dressing as each other when they were 19, I don’t see any reason for him to resign.

No, that was the Florida Rep. The VA AG went to a costume party as a rapper he was a big fan of….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 4:59:09am

re: #134 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So another week to go. A lot can happen in a week.

I hate to say it, but what I am expecting in the next week is some sort of incident that involves guns, terror, drugs, gangs and illegals that can be narratized and framed as “you see, this is why we need the wall NOW!”

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:00:33am

LOL (*) infinity.

A little clarification: The reason McDonald’s lost the trademark wasn’t because they “didn’t have a case to begin with”; it’s because their lawyers fucked up big time. McD’s lawyers inexplicably failed to present documentation to the court that they sold Big Macs in the past. They only provided evidence that they currently do, in fact, sell Big Macs. That’s why the judge ruled against them and they lost the trademark. Of course it’s easy to speculate what would have happened had they brought the right paperwork to court, but it’s a moot point because they didn’t……and here we are.

Also, I’ll add that McDonald’s lost their EU-registered Big Mac trademark but they still have their trademark for the Big Mac registered on national levels.

Still, somewhat humorous nonetheless.

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steve_davis  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:01:29am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Some more developments in the case of that failed Canadian cryptocurrency exchange. The CEO was reported to have died (with the passcodes needed to run the exchange presumably stored in “wet memory” - his brain) in India of complications from Crohn’s disease, but some angry customers of the exchange were not convinced he was really dead.

The hospital in India that treated him has released some details of his demise. He was admitted to the hospital in critical condition, was being treated for severe sepsis, but suffered cardiac arrest. They revived him, but he then had another cardiac arrest and no further resuscitation efforts succeeded.

So, he’s most assuredly dead.

coindesk.com

Does make you wonder why a person with Crohn’s disease would travel to a remote part of India by himself, putting both himself and the future of his company at risk.

the same reason people put actual money, backed by the u.s. government, into an illiquid, bullshit cryptocurrency that depends at least partly for transactions on the computer capacity of somebody who would really rather be using that RAM for Fallout 76.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:02:29am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:05:15am

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:10:14am

re: #141 Joe Bacon 🌹

Executive Time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:10:38am

re: #140 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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For a guy who claims he’s never drank. Trump tweets like a drunk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:13:34am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

For a guy who claims he’s never drank. Trump tweets like a drunk.

does not need alcohol to addle his brain

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:16:53am

re: #144 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

does not need alcohol to addle his brain

Of course not. But you can’t tell me he doesn’t tweet like he’s knocked down a few.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:17:54am

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Of course not. But you can’t tell me he doesn’t tweet like he’s knocked down a few.

one has to ask about the fantasy words and spellings and ones that look like he passed out in the middle of them…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:22:00am

re: #77 goddamnedfrank

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That’s what is standing out to me. No apology to the family. And yes this pisses me off more than Northam since this is happening right now. A former potential First Lady racial profiling a family is pretty damn bad especially considering her own daughter is a different ethnicity than her.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:24:58am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

For a guy who claims he’s never drank. Trump tweets like a drunk.

Adderall.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:25:04am

re: #80 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

People should notify police if they see suspicious behavior, but a child not looking like his or her parent is not suspicious behavior*. If the child looks uncomfortable, like he or she is being coerced, or if the parent is overly physical with the kid (“come with me!”), then maybe that’s suspicious, but AFAIK most child trafficking does not pass through commercial airports. Too much ID checking and security there to make a trafficker comfortable. If Ms McCain was trying to get brownie points for being a vigilant citizen, she was trying too hard this time.

* Kids can be adopted, accompanying an uncle, aunt, step-parent, grandparent, or just genetically divergent from their parents because DNA does that sometimes.

Her own kid is adopted. Unless something ekes she witnessed that made her suspect trafficking, she certainly was being racist after to that family.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:25:28am

re: #148 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Adderall.

Aha.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:27:43am

re: #148 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Could be…..but I’d expect he’d be slimmer if he was taking Adderall.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:30:26am

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

Could be…..but I’d expect he’d be slimmer if he was taking Adderall.

With his diet?

///

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:31:25am

re: #151 Dr Lizardo

Could be…..but I’d expect he’d be slimmer if he was taking Adderall.

In any case, the guy’s tweets are weird. I have a mental image of watching the news. Tweeting the praise and bootlicking he gets from FNC and then tweeting angry shit at those who criticize him. Oh and of course he’s eating junk food while all this is going on. He acts mentally unstable.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:32:24am

re: #152 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

With his diet?

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LOL

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:34:49am

Happy morning. //////

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:35:19am

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:37:19am

re: #156 Belafon

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That statement just oozes a lack of self awareness.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:44:46am

re: #155 mmmirele

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:46:02am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Because people with Chron’s still want to see the world.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:48:16am

re: #136 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

No, that was the Florida Rep. The VA AG went to a costume party as a rapper he was a big fan of….

Hard to keep all of these blackface incidents straight! Still the AG dressed as a rapper he liked for a party, and he was only 19, so its a lot different from dressing as a minstrel and posing with a guy in a Klan outfit when you are 25. I don’t see any reason for the AG to resign.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:50:25am

re: #138 Dr Lizardo

LOL (*) infinity.

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A little clarification: The reason McDonald’s lost the trademark wasn’t because they “didn’t have a case to begin with”; it’s because their lawyers fucked up big time. McD’s lawyers inexplicably failed to present documentation to the court that they sold Big Macs in the past. They only provided evidence that they currently do, in fact, sell Big Macs. That’s why the judge ruled against them and they lost the trademark. Of course it’s easy to speculate what would have happened had they brought the right paperwork to court, but it’s a moot point because they didn’t……and here we are.

Also, I’ll add that McDonald’s lost their EU-registered Big Mac trademark but they still have their trademark for the Big Mac registered on national levels.

Still, somewhat humorous nonetheless.

I wouldn’t want to be the lawyers who made that mistake; they better have their malpractice insurance paid up, because they are going to need it!

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:51:06am

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Alternatively, Tusk and Juncker will ask her, “So…..what’s your Brexit plan?”

And May will answer, “Well…..ummh….errrr……..”

The EU president should announce that Europe, even without Great Britain, is still the third largest economy in the world, and doesn’t need the island, and there’s no reason for the island to damage itself trying to prove something it can’t.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:56:39am

re: #162 Belafon

Every now and then, I’ll look at the UK’s tabloid press, and pretty much every time I do, they’re still going on about World War Two.

It’s like Al Bundy - reliving his glory days of High School football even though he’s well into middle age.

Frankly, it’s pathetic. It seems to me a large percentage of the UK’s population is hopelessly stuck in the past. I’ve noted before that ever since the Suez Crisis of 1955, Britain has been trying to find its place in the world; they’re not an empire, they’re not a global superpower and it seems like they’re engaged in some kind of search for meaning, and it’s made all the worse because they keep hearkening back to the days when “the Sun never set on the British Empire”.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:57:13am

re: #162 Belafon

The EU president should announce that Europe, even without Great Britain, is still the third largest economy in the world, and doesn’t need the island, and there’s no reason for the island to damage itself trying to prove something it can’t.

The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming locomotive, and the UK is paralyzed like a deer in the headlights, to mix metaphors. What a clusterfuck; its going to come down to asking for a delay so they can dither awhile longer, or crashing out of the EU, isn’t it?

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:58:14am
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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 5:59:08am

re: #164 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming locomotive, and the UK is paralyzed like a deer in the headlights, to mix metaphors. What a clusterfuck; its going to come down to asking for a delay so they can dither awhile longer, or crashing out of the EU, isn’t it?

The opinion of many here in Europe is that’s going to be a UK crashout, simply because Brexit has rendered their politics so utterly paralyzed. And I agree with that sentiment; it’s unfortunate, but it is what it is.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:02:57am

I can’t copy this over, but the entire Super-Fun-Pack Comix is either funny or spot on: dailykos.com. I especially like Bear-God.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:07:30am

re: #163 Dr Lizardo

We haven’t moved beyond the need for militaries, obviously, but, since there’s no more land to conquer, being an empire is not about who you control, but who you influence. Britain could be a major world influencer. They export a whole lot of culture.

And yet they, and the US, seem to think they need to go back in time. The US has never been the old style empire, and were really the first empire built entirely on influence. And yet, both countries want to go back to days when iron fists ruled.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:07:39am

Heatwave heading to NW PA today. Rain, but temps up to low 60’s. Temps will be dropping over the next couple days, but a warm one today.

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:09:09am

OT, but with the weather some of you Western Lizardim have been having…
Swedish word of the day: snösmocka

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:10:29am

re: #139 steve_davis

the same reason people put actual money, backed by the u.s. government, into an illiquid, bullshit cryptocurrency that depends at least partly for transactions on the computer capacity of somebody who would really rather be using that RAM for Fallout 76.

To be fair, people putting faith in financial schemes hoping to get rich is not limited to bitcoin and its ilk. A much bigger failure in finance brought on the 2006-08 global meltdown.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:13:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump’s tweeting away as usual and he’s attending the National Prayer Breakfast, which is surprising since he hasn’t spontaneously combusted yet.

Trump’s on Mueller watch right now, as all his tweets are bitching about being investigated and that he thinks this is harassment.

No you fucker, it’s called congressional oversight required by the US Constitution under Article 1. You don’t want anyone investigating because you know that they’ll find all kinds of criminality. Turns out every investigation into Trump so far has yielded misconduct.

Whether it’s shutting down his fake scam school or his foundation that was laundering money and violating NY law, or his campaign/transition team that lied about everything they did, there’s misconduct for multiple federal prosecutors’ offices, to say nothing about Mueller, who just keeps finding plea deals and convictions.

Also today… Whitaker is supposed to start his confirmation hearing, and he’s bitching about the preparation (or his lack of same).

And apparently flag pins are a thing - Junior tweeted about how Democrats weren’t wearing them at the SOTU and this spread around the right wing outrage echo chamber.

Turns out, that when you look at the Trump clan during the SOTU, none of them were wearing one either. Fucker got pwned.

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ThomasLite  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:17:38am

re: #139 steve_davis

the same reason people put actual money, backed by the u.s. government, into an illiquid, bullshit cryptocurrency that depends at least partly for transactions on the computer capacity of somebody who would really rather be using that RAM for Fallout 76.

Hey now. I’m equally as sick and tired of the whole cryptocurrency BS as the next guy but that’s a hard statement to back up. I mean, one utter trainwreck or another - honestly I’d rather spend my weekend playing MS Excel: the RPG. ;)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:20:15am

re: #159 Belafon

Because people with Chron’s still want to see the world.

This guy apparently was running an exchange single-handedly, which is bad enough, but he took off without leaving any sort of Plan B in case he was incapacitated or dead. He and his wife had made enough money (or were using someone else’s money) to fund a children’s home, but there was no requirement they actually visit the site. So, the circumstances have a lot of users of this exchange wondering if the visit was a cover for an exit scam that went bad because the CEO ended up dying.

I’m not saying he should have stayed home, because people with Crohn’s can’t have normal lives. I’m saying, as the sole operating officer of the exchange, he was being irresponsible to take off, bringing the laptop that was the “brain” of the exchange with him.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:22:01am

re: #174 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

This guy apparently was running an exchange single-handedly, which is bad enough, but he took off without leaving any sort of Plan B in case he was incapacitated or dead. He and his wife had made enough money (or were using someone else’s money) to fund a children’s home, but there was no requirement they actually visit the site. So, the circumstances have a lot of users of this exchange wondering if the visit was a cover for an exit scam that went bad because the CEO ended up dying.

I’m not saying he should have stayed home, because people with Crohn’s can’t have normal lives. I’m saying, as the sole operating officer of the exchange, he was being irresponsible to take off, bringing the laptop that was the “brain” of the exchange with him.

I completely agree the guy was running his company incompetently. I also have zero sympathy for people playing in cryptocurrencies.

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:23:02am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:25:04am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:26:05am

re: #168 Belafon

We haven’t moved beyond the need for militaries, obviously, but, since there’s no more land to conquer, being an empire is not about who you control, but who you influence. Britain could be a major world influencer. They export a whole lot of culture.

And yet they, and the US, seem to think they need to go back in time. The US has never been the old style empire, and were really the first empire built entirely on influence. And yet, both countries want to go back to days when iron fists ruled.

Edited

Well, the US empire was also built by armies and navies that rolled over the Axis then provided the backbone to NATO.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:27:55am

re: #155 mmmirele

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:28:36am

re: #176 Citizen K

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:30:58am

re: #175 Belafon

I completely agree the guy was running his company incompetently. I also have zero sympathy for people playing in cryptocurrencies.

There were plenty of signs that joint was in trouble, going back a year or more. A lot of people investing in cryptos are greenhorns when it comes to finance and markets. So, they don’t see the warning signs until it all goes belly-up. There are legitimate companies involved in cryptos, but it’s the colossal failures that get the headlines.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:31:32am

re: #176 Citizen K

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That guy really needs an ass kicking.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:32:35am

re: #181 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There were plenty of signs that joint was in trouble, going back a year or more. A lot of people investing in cryptos are greenhorns when it comes to finance and markets. So, they don’t see the warning signs until it all goes belly-up. There are legitimate companies involved in cryptos, but it’s the colossal failures that get the headlines.

I’m sure there were legitimate companies involved in tulips as well.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:37:59am

I guess Wells Fargo is DOWN for the count. No one can get in.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:38:12am

re: #183 Belafon

I’m sure there were legitimate companies involved in tulips as well.

Well, considering the low prices for bitcoin and just about every other crypto now, I’d say the comparison to tulip mania stopped being valid when bitcoin dropped from $20,000 to today’s $3,400.. That bubble has burst. Now, cryptos are just like a normal tulip bulb market.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:38:42am

re: #178 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Well, the US empire was also built by armies and navies that rolled over the Axis then provided the backbone to NATO.

I should caveate a bit. There was a lot of empire building by the US in the 1800s. It’s why we have a whole lot of land including islands in the Pacific, which did include the Philippines. After WW2, we were the last big country standing, and we set up a lot of bases in Europe. You are correct in the sense that our influence is strongest where we’ve become the big part of the local defense, but our “conquering” of Europe was quite a bit different than, say, Rome’s.

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:41:23am

re: #158 Dr Lizardo

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:45:22am

re: #186 Belafon

I should caveate a bit. There was a lot of empire building by the US in the 1800s. It’s why we have a whole lot of land including islands in the Pacific, which did include the Philippines. After WW2, we were the last big country standing, and we set up a lot of bases in Europe. You are correct in the sense that our influence is strongest where we’ve become the big part of the local defense, but our “conquering” of Europe was quite a bit different than, say, Rome’s.

Pfffft. The Legio XX Valeria Victrix was engaged in a simple peacekeeping and nation-building exercise at the request of the persecuted Iceni. The grateful inhabitants of Colchester even made Claudius a god to express their solidarity.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:45:35am

re: #172 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Trump’s tweeting away as usual and he’s attending the National Prayer Breakfast, which is surprising since he hasn’t spontaneously combusted yet.

Let’s do a correction.

Trump is attending the Pulpit Pimp-O-Rama Party this morning where every grifter in the name of Jesus Ayn Rand will line up to kiss his ass and of course first in line is Trump’s Million Dollar Ho Franky Graham Cracker!

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:46:24am

re: #187 mmmirele

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:46:55am

re: #186 Belafon

I should caveate a bit. There was a lot of empire building by the US in the 1800s. It’s why we have a whole lot of land including islands in the Pacific, which did include the Philippines. After WW2, we were the last big country standing, and we set up a lot of bases in Europe. You are correct in the sense that our influence is strongest where we’ve become the big part of the local defense, but our “conquering” of Europe was quite a bit different than, say, Rome’s.

Yes, in the sense that our armies came as liberators rather than conquerors. But like the Pax Americana, Pax Romana was built not only by Legions, but also by the spread of Roman ideals.

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:49:42am

re: #190 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:51:47am

re: #191 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, in the sense that our armies came as liberators rather than conquerors. But like the Pax Americana, Pax Romana was built not only by Legions, but also by the spread of Roman ideals.

And massive bribery of local “influencers” like Herod the So-So.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:52:00am

re: #192 mmmirele

Thanks.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:54:21am

I’ve heard the comparison of tulip mania to the dot-com bubble, the real estate bubble, and now crypto bubbles before, so I took it as a matter of historical fact that the Dutch were speculating like crazy on tulip bulb prices. Turns out some historians and economists think tulip mania is more of an urban myth, based on the analysis of one writer in 1841.

Prices did soar in a very short time, but it was not because the entire population was nuts about tulips. It was fat cats manipulating the market in their favor.

Sounds like a bubble. But it wasn’t, asserts Thompson, who is working on a history of bubbles. Tulip-bulb investors were neither mad nor delusional in 1636 and 1637. Rather, he says, they were rationally responding, in finest efficient-market fashion, to overlooked changes in the rules of tulip investing.

As European prices for the dramatic flowers rose in the 1630s, many burgomasters—local mayors—started to invest in the bulbs. But in the fall of 1636, the European tulip market suddenly wilted because of a crisis in Germany. German nobles were big fans of tulips and had taken to planting bulbs. But in October 1636, the Germans lost a battle to the Swedes at Wittstock. Then German peasants began to revolt. The German demand for tulips sagged, and princes began digging up their own bulbs and selling them, say Thompson and Treussard.

The sudden glut caused prices to fall, and Dutch burgomasters began losing money. They were in a bind. Trade in tulip bulbs was conducted through futures contracts: Buyers agreed to pay a fixed price for tulip bulbs at some point in the future. With prices having fallen in the fall, leveraged burgomasters were tied into paying above-market prices for bulbs to be delivered in the spring.

Rather than take their lumps, these politically connected investors tried to change the market rules—and they succeeded. First, they threatened to abandon their contracts and leave planters in the lurch entirely. But ultimately, they ironed out a deal whereby the obligation to purchase bulbs at a fixed price would be suddenly converted into an opportunity to do so. In current parlance, they aimed to transform tulip-bulb futures contracts into tulip-bulb options.

slate.com

So, tulip mania was more like the 17th century version of the modern-day manipulation of the gold and silver markets or the LIBOR.

Or bank deregulation of the 1980s.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:55:32am

re: #192 mmmirele

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:58:14am

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:59:06am

re: #195 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Moral of the story.

Don’t tip-toe thru the tulips!

Be like Dick Martin and just smirk…

Youtube Video

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 6:59:59am

re: #191 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, in the sense that our armies came as liberators rather than conquerors. But like the Pax Americana, Pax Romana was built not only by Legions, but also by the spread of Roman ideals.

I have to watch making us out to be something too unique. And I definitely don’t want to minimize that we were in full empire building mode in the 1800s with all of it’s problems. So, yeah, maybe we were just the latest empire. I think part of the reason I think of us as being different - other than being US centered in my thinking - is that up until Trump we didn’t really demand payment for our services. We tended to get paid because we were the one standing country, and so we didn’t need a repayment system.

I am kind of curious what kind of trade agreements, similar to NAFTA, the WTO, and what should have been the TPP, older empires would have set up. And that’s where I get to Trump. Prior to him, we felt an obligation to follow the rules we had set up. Now, those supporting Trump think we should be allowed to break them because we want to.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:03:32am

Let me guess. Wells Fargo is the Lehman Brothers of this financial collapse, except there’s nobody at the Treasury who knows what’s going on or what to do about it, which Hank Paulson, for all his faults, did.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:03:41am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

You’re quoting the wrong guy there.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:04:15am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

And massive bribery of local “influencers” like Herod the So-So.

And the US enriched quite a few local “influencers” as well!

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:05:57am

re: #202 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And the US enriched quite a few local “influencers” as well!

You’re never going to get over that Pahlavi thing, are you?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:05:58am

re: #200 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Let me guess. Wells Fargo is the Lehman Brothers of this financial collapse, except there’s nobody at the Treasury who knows what’s going on or what to do about it, which Hank Paulson, for all his faults, did.

Coincidentally, the markets are down today.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:06:18am

re: #201 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

You’re quoting the wrong guy there.

Yeah, weird, not sure how that happened.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:06:54am

re: #197 Sir John Barron

Maybe Junior should be more concerned with whether he’s colluded with a foreign power than whether someone in the other party isn’t wearing a flag pin.

He did collude; he should be really worried about his upcoming indictment, though I assume that he’ll ultimately get a pardon from daddy.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:07:32am

re: #195 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve heard the comparison of tulip mania to the dot-com bubble, the real estate bubble, and now crypto bubbles before, so I took it as a matter of historical fact that the Dutch were speculating like crazy on tulip bulb prices. Turns out some historians and economists think tulip mania is more of an urban myth, based on the analysis of one writer in 1841.

Prices did soar in a very short time, but it was not because the entire population was nuts about tulips. It was fat cats manipulating the market in their favor.

slate.com

So, tulip mania was more like the 17th century version of the modern-day manipulation of the gold and silver markets or the LIBOR.

Or bank deregulation of the 1980s.

It sounds like any situation where someone bought in at a high price, thinking it would keep going up, and then it didn’t. Which still fits the dot com and telecom bubbles, the housing markets, and gold and silver. And I still think crypto fits into that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:08:34am

re: #206 NO SMOCKING GUN!

He did collude; he should be really worried about his upcoming indictment, though I assume that he’ll ultimately get a pardon from daddy.

I’m sure the NY authorities have a backup plan for that.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:08:56am

re: #165 Belafon

yup

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:10:35am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

I’m sure the NY authorities have a backup plan for that.

As long as he goes to prison for his crimes, I don’t care if its a federal or NY state prison.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:11:51am

re: #210 NO SMOCKING GUN!

As long as he goes to prison for his crimes, I don’t care if its a federal or NY state prison.

I don’t either. Just pointing out Daddy can’t do a damn thing if Tish James and Albany want to prosecute him.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:11:55am

Seems like Wells Fargo is keeping mum about the outage for now.

The Wells Fargo Twitter account tweeted after the outage had been impacting users for more than an hour. “We apologize to our customers who may be experiencing an issue with our online banking and mobile app. Thanks for your patience while we research this issue. If you are impacted, please check back here for updates,” said the tweet from the bank.

There were thousands of reports of the issue on the website Down Detector and users were reporting that the issues they were experiencing were with online banking, the website and mobile banking.

Wells Fargo did not immediately respond to Newsweek’s request for comment and it was unclear when the apparent outage might be resolved and whether the outage was impacting in-branch banking and ATM machines. Thursday’s outage was the second one in the past week.

Wells Fargo customers were tweeting about the issues they were experiencing and some were saying that they could not gain access to their money through ATMs and that their debit cards weren’t working either.

newsweek.com

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:12:30am

re: #172 lawhawk

Maybe Junior should be more concerned with his own actions, like how he colluded with Russia to influence the 2016 election then lied about it—before he judges someone else for not wearing a flag pin.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:13:10am

re: #209 Sir John Barron

yup

I still think Northam should resign because I really don’t like his handling of it. A good heartfelt “Yeah, that was stupid, I was naive and have learned better” would have been far better than his current handling. We have a whole lot of people people who need us to be better. But I definitely don’t think every Democrat who was an idiot in their early years needs to resign.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:14:31am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. Just pointing out Daddy can’t do a damn thing if Tish James and Albany want to prosecute him.

And Daddy can’t do a thing if they want to prosecute Daddy for all the crimes he committed in NY either!

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:16:18am

SMOTI being SMOTI.

A single poll that shows Trump underwater (49%). Yeah, he’s unpopular not because of being smeared, but because he’s a fucknut awful person and even worse president.

How popular is Trump? Not. He’s been underwater from day one because a majority of the country didn’t vote for him. The polls reflect this. It also reflects both his max and minimum - there’s a core bigot brigade that will support him unconditionally no matter how insane Trump is.

The range of polling shows him nowhere near being 50% approval.

Oh, and that 49% polling? Rasmussen. 538 rates their polling as… suspect.

Trump’s approval ratings for his first 2 years are below every other president of the last 50 years.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:16:32am

re: #207 Belafon

It sounds like any situation where someone bought in at a high price, thinking it would keep going up, and then it didn’t. Which still fits the dot com and telecom bubbles, the housing markets, and gold and silver. And I still think crypto fits into that.

Except it really wasn’t Johannes Q. DutchPublic mortgaging his house to buy tulip bulbs, as the story has gone since 1841. It was more a small group of investors trying to game the system in their favor. Modern bubbles involved a lot more people, but it is true they were all chasing profits, hoping to become wealthy in a short time.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:18:44am

re: #216 lawhawk

President Trump Approval Rating Jumps to 49% Following Brilliant State of the Union Speech @gatewaypundit

— Jim Hoft (@gatewaypundit) February 7, 2019

Not The Onion?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:20:10am

re: #168 Belafon

We haven’t moved beyond the need for militaries, obviously, but, since there’s no more land to conquer, being an empire is not about who you control, but who you influence. Britain could be a major world influencer. They export a whole lot of culture.
And yet they, and the US, seem to think they need to go back in time. The US has never been the old style empire, and were really the first empire built entirely on influence. And yet, both countries want to go back to days when iron fists ruled.

It is also about protecting our economic interests and access to raw materials and energy resources.

But regardless of our crass imperialism, our language, music and entertainment industries are still the world standard.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:20:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:22:42am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

And massive bribery of local “influencers” like Herod the So-So.

They were content to leave the local management in place as long as they delivered their share of tax revenues and maintained the peace.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:26:54am

re: #195 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

So, tulip mania was more like the 17th century version of the modern-day manipulation of the gold and silver markets or the LIBOR.

Or bank deregulation of the 1980s.

Tulipmania was also fueled by a lot of mercantile regulations that made it impossible for non-guild members to invest in anything else, like spices, gold, precious gems, silks, etc.

And at a time when a ostentatious displays of wealth were frowned on as too worldly, displaying God’s creation in the form of a flower was still deemed acceptable.

Tulip trading was as much of a national pastime as an investment strategy.

At the height of the bubble, Tulips were trading for more money per blossom than Rembrandt ever earned for a painting when he was alive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:29:00am

re: #207 Belafon

It sounds like any situation where someone bought in at a high price, thinking it would keep going up, and then it didn’t. Which still fits the dot com and telecom bubbles, the housing markets, and gold and silver. And I still think crypto fits into that.

Crypto also buys heavily into the anonymous/anarchist ideology; we are rebelling financially against the ZOG bankers!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:29:36am
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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:29:50am
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stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:31:44am

re: #98 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Some more developments in the case of that failed Canadian cryptocurrency exchange. The CEO was reported to have died (with the passcodes needed to run the exchange presumably stored in “wet memory” - his brain) in India of complications from Crohn’s disease, but some angry customers of the exchange were not convinced he was really dead.

The hospital in India that treated him has released some details of his demise. He was admitted to the hospital in critical condition, was being treated for severe sepsis, but suffered cardiac arrest. They revived him, but he then had another cardiac arrest and no further resuscitation efforts succeeded.

So, he’s most assuredly dead.

coindesk.com

Does make you wonder why a person with Crohn’s disease would travel to a remote part of India by himself, putting both himself and the future of his company at risk.

Because he thought he was as invulnerable as this guy?

An American ‘crypto-anarchist’ fled the country. He was just killed in Mexico’s ‘murder capital.’

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:32:33am

re: #216 lawhawk

SMOTI being SMOTI.

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A single poll that shows Trump underwater (49%). Yeah, he’s unpopular not because of being smeared, but because he’s a fucknut awful person and even worse president.

How popular is Trump? Not. He’s been underwater from day one because a majority of the country didn’t vote for him. The polls reflect this. It also reflects both his max and minimum - there’s a core bigot brigade that will support him unconditionally no matter how insane Trump is.

The range of polling shows him nowhere near being 50% approval.

Oh, and that 49% polling? Rasmussen. 538 rates their polling as… suspect.

Trump’s approval ratings for his first 2 years are below every other president of the last 50 years.

Rasmussen, the same outfit that said the GOP was leading the national House vote in the midterms by 1 point (they lost by over 8 points). Subtract 9 points to account for Rasmussen’s bias, and you about have Trump’s approval rating right.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:32:42am

re: #225 lawhawk

This is the future wingnuts want: an America ringed by hideous looking and dangerous barbed wire.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:33:33am

Damn, the Wells Fargo website is down completely right now.

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:35:31am

This is part of the reason why Native Americans are kinda upset with Warren…

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Decatur Deb  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:35:38am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, the Wells Fargo website is down completely right now.

They went to India to build an orphanage.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:37:43am

Fox News floating the idea there’s some kind of spat going on between Pelosi and AOC.

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sagehen  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:38:16am

re: #228 Sir John Barron

This is the future wingnuts want: an America ringed by hideous looking and dangerous barbed wire.

And the barbed wire is all on THIS side… that fence isn’t keeping anyone out, it’s keeping us in.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:38:38am

re: #230 gwangung

This is part of the reason why Native Americans are kinda upset with Warren…

House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy’s family benefited from U.S. program for minorities based on disputed Native American ancestry

What has that got to do with Warren? This is a case of people falsely claiming Native American heritage to gain a personal advantage.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:39:30am

re: #223 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Crypto also buys heavily into the anonymous/anarchist ideology; we are rebelling financially against the ZOG bankers!

“We don’t need regulation! The free market will decide!”

[Exchange fails, taking with it millions of investors funds.]

“Why didn’t the Canadian government do something to prevent this!! We’re gonna sue!”

For another example of why libertarianism is total bollocks, look up the Tezos project since its launch in 2017. The Wired account gives a fair assessment of the personalities and philosophies involved, and why the project was almost doomed from the start.

venturebeat.com

wired.com

At its peak, Tezos tokens were trading at $4,000 or so. Now they’re trading around 37 cents. There are at least three class action lawsuits filed by investors.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:40:24am

H/T The Verge

Twitter’s monthly user count has fallen for three quarters in a row, so to address the issue, Twitter has decided to stop announcing how many users it keeps losing.

The change, which begins after next quarter, was announced in Twitter’s latest earnings release, where the company disclosed that it had lost another 5 million monthly users during the final few months of 2018. That brings Twitter to 321 million monthly users, down from 326 million the prior quarter. It’s Twitter’s lowest user figure in two years.
“Twitter will now disclose how many daily users it has, but says it shouldn’t be compared to other networks”

Hiding monthly user growth or losses prevents Twitter from being directly compared to many other social networks, some of which are growing far faster in their monthly user count. “

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:41:05am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What has that got to do with Warren? This is a case of people falsely claiming Native American heritage to gain a personal advantage.

And they use the same methods Warren used to support her claims.

YOU may think it’s different, but THEY see a so-called ally use the same methods used by these assholes and it justifies the use of those methods.

Come on, folks…LISTEN to the folks who are intimately involved in this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:41:46am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News floating the idea there’s some kind of spat going on between Pelosi and AOC.

Back to “Democrats in Disarray”, and a catfight, too!!!

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:41:49am

re: #230 gwangung

This is part of the reason why Native Americans are kinda upset with Warren…

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How did she benefit?

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:42:51am

re: #237 gwangung

And they use the same methods Warren used to support her claims.

YOU may think it’s different, but THEY see a so-called ally use the same methods used by these assholes and it justifies the use of those methods.

Come on, folks…LISTEN to the folks who are intimately involved in this.

The Native American’s I keep seeing news reports about when asked about Warren don’t seem too bothered by her claim, because she’s helped them and she personally never tried to benefit from it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:43:58am

re: #237 gwangung

And they use the same methods Warren used to support her claims.

YOU may think it’s different, but THEY see a so-called ally use the same methods used by these assholes and it justifies the use of those methods.

Come on, folks…LISTEN to the folks who are intimately involved in this.

Warren filled out a form at one point claiming Native heritage, she did not leverage it into a no-bid government contract.

I understand why Native Americans are pissed off at people gaining undue advantage from from false claims, but again, what the fuck does this have to do with Warren?

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:44:09am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What has that got to do with Warren? This is a case of people falsely claiming Native American heritage to gain a personal advantage.

Because Dems always pay for lesser sins of what GOPers do without consequence?

Seriously, McCarthy’s family quite notably got actual benefits from their claim. Warren’s were nebulous and done without any tangible material gain that can be seen or connected to her.

Warren’s getting crucified for what essentially amounts to her family mythologizing their background and her apparently genuinely buying it, and actually being contrite when she finds out it’s not as solid as expect.

But, you know how things work in this country: “Both Sides, Same Thing*”

*But Dems are always worse and more evil when they do it.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:47:03am

re: #237 gwangung

And they use the same methods Warren used to support her claims.

YOU may think it’s different, but THEY see a so-called ally use the same methods used by these assholes and it justifies the use of those methods.

Come on, folks…LISTEN to the folks who are intimately involved in this.

If you’re talking about Native Americans, I believe they consider her an ally, and (with one single exception) say, “meh” to the whole controversy.

They HATE the “Pocahantas” business, but for some strange reason, they don’t blame Warren for that.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:48:18am

re: #226 stpaulbear

Because he thought he was as invulnerable as this guy?

An American ‘crypto-anarchist’ fled the country. He was just killed in Mexico’s ‘murder capital.’

Crypto-anarchists are a thing, and there’s an annual event in Acapulco — Anarchapulco — organized each year by a dodgy fellow named Jeff Berwick. No doubt “John Galton” and Berwick knew each other, and Berwick is trying to do some damage control leading up to this year’s conference.

coinspice.io

I watched a few of Berwick’s YouTube videos. Makes my skin crawl. He’s one of those guys who charges large sums of money to teach people about cryptocurrencies, hard metals, and Austrian economics. And anarchism.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:48:20am

Both of my wife’s grandmothers were Native American. We have not tried to claim anything off it for our kids, but we have occasionally mentioned it.

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:49:49am

re: #240 Belafon

The Native American’s I keep seeing news reports about when asked about Warren don’t seem too bothered by her claim, because she’s helped them and she personally never tried to benefit from it.

A lot of the Native Americans I work with are kinda upset, because of the history of this…they’ve been trying to re-emphasize the ties of culture and involvement, and not just DNA ancestry, and Warren seemingly undercuts this (because it’s taken as gospel truth by the racist right that Warren got all sorts of advantages because of her ancestry).

Some were not that chuffed, but they were irritated that she didn’t move in concert with various Native American tribes (and she didn’t do more for Standing Rock).

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:50:27am

re: #232 Eclectic Cyborg

Fox News floating the idea there’s some kind of spat going on between Pelosi and AOC.

AND GREAT MAGA POTUS APPROVAL SKYROCKETS TO 49% AFTER BEST SOTU SPEECH EVER!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:51:05am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I wish we could have heard Abe’s voice so we could imagine him saying those words. From a historian POV, that’s what I hate about Trump. He really thinks he’s up there with our greats.

good morning all

nobody cares what he thinks - about himself or anything else

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:52:09am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

What has that got to do with Warren? This is a case of people falsely claiming Native American heritage to gain a personal advantage.

I think he was being ironic, in that the MSM focuses like a laser beam on minor Democratic issues, while pretty much ignoring actual crimes by Republicans. Edit: looks like I was wrong about that.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:54:27am

re: #48 teleskiguy

This is the second selfie I’ve taken today with my new iPhone X. The damn thing is turning me into a narcissist.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:54:42am

re: #249 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think he was being ironic, in that the MSM focuses like a laser beam on minor Democratic issues, while pretty much ignoring actual crimes by Republicans.

ZOMG! AOC had a sour expression while Trump colorfully embellished the truth again!! How dare she disrespect the president!!

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:55:35am

re: #246 gwangung

A lot of the Native Americans I work with are kinda upset, because of the history of this…they’ve been trying to re-emphasize the ties of culture and involvement, and not just DNA ancestry, and Warren seemingly undercuts this (because it’s taken as gospel truth by the racist right that Warren got all sorts of advantages because of her ancestry).

Some were not that chuffed, but they were irritated that she didn’t move in concert with various Native American tribes (and she didn’t do more for Standing Rock).

So, you’re saying they should be angry at wingers and not Warren. (And yes, I know people can be irrational.)

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:56:40am

re: #249 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I think he was being ironic, in that the MSM focuses like a laser beam on minor Democratic issues, while pretty much ignoring actual crimes by Republicans.

Not being ironic, but it’s true that trying to use nuance in matters like this isn’t likely to be a winning tactic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:56:42am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:57:49am

re: #246 gwangung

A lot of the Native Americans I work with are kinda upset, because of the history of this…they’ve been trying to re-emphasize the ties of culture and involvement, and not just DNA ancestry, and Warren seemingly undercuts this (because it’s taken as gospel truth by the racist right that Warren got all sorts of advantages because of her ancestry).

It is assumed that somewhere, a more qualified conservative white person was disadvantaged by Warren playing the Race Card.

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 7:58:22am

re: #252 Belafon

So, you’re saying they should be angry at wingers and not Warren. (And yes, I know people can be irrational.)

I’m not saying who they should be angry at; I’m saying this is what I’m seeing among them. And non-Native Americans should take that seriously….and that’s not what’s happening.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:01:26am

re: #256 gwangung

I’m not saying who they should be angry at; I’m saying this is what I’m seeing among them. And non-Native Americans should take that seriously….and that’s not what’s happening.

Before there was AOC to warn us about, the GOP were fixated on defaming Elizabeth Warren.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:02:59am

re: #257 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Before there was AOC to warn us about, the GOP were fixated on defaming Elizabeth Warren.

and Maxine Waters.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:03:49am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:04:31am

re: #68 Targetpractice

All I can say is the time to make distinctions and discuss the realities of racial politics in the 80s was last Friday, when the whole thing initially began and we could have looked like we were being a party that accepted people who had changed and progressed past the ignorance of the past.

Now? Now it looks like political opportunism, giving Herring a pass so we can avoid giving up the entire VA leadership to the VA GOP.

it is political opportunism because the other side found it, sat on it, and then chose to release it only when it would do the most political good for them

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:06:36am

Midnight here, so I will bid you all a good day or night, as the case may be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:08:46am

re: #260 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

it is political opportunism because the other side found it, sat on it, and then chose to release it only when it would do the most political good for them

they really managed to tweak so they can have it both ways:

“blackface = racism” but “confederate flag = heritage”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:09:18am

re: #80 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

People should notify police if they see suspicious behavior, but a child not looking like his or her parent is not suspicious behavior*. If the child looks uncomfortable, like he or she is being coerced, or if the parent is overly physical with the kid (“come with me!”), then maybe that’s suspicious, but AFAIK most child trafficking does not pass through commercial airports. Too much ID checking and security there to make a trafficker comfortable. If Ms McCain was trying to get brownie points for being a vigilant citizen, she was trying too hard this time.

* Kids can be adopted, accompanying an uncle, aunt, step-parent, grandparent, or just genetically divergent from their parents because DNA does that sometimes.

kids are allowed to be out in public with people who arent their own parents
- say in-laws, cousins
- and, gasp, even people unrelated to them like caregivers, nannies, sitters, parent’s friends and friend’s parents

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:13:31am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:16:30am

re: #130 steve_davis

Not really. The governor isn’t going to resign. The lieutenant governor certainly isn’t going to resign, because as far as anyone can tell, he didn’t do anything. The attorney general isn’t going to resign because clearly he got out in front of this so as to specifically avoid having to resign later when the discovery of the black-face incident came out.

ride. it. out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:18:50am

re: #265 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ride. it. out.

It is all about killing freedom of choice

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:19:46am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:26:52am

re: #265 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ride. it. out.

Does this not set a bad precedent though? Does this not mean we are now living in a world where politicians can get away with just about anything without having to give up their elected offices?

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:27:15am

re: #184 Dave In Austin

I guess Wells Fargo is DOWN for the count. No one can get in.

I’ve had trouble trying to get into my ATT account this morning. I was getting a “server unavailable” message earlier and recently I got to the log-in page but after putting in the password it just spins and spins trying to load.

Nothing like a big tech company that is also a big internet service being unavailable on their own service.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:28:36am

re: #211 HappyWarrior

I don’t either. Just pointing out Daddy can’t do a damn thing if Tish James and Albany want to prosecute him.

right now they’re probably deferring to mueller

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Romantic Heretic  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:31:52am

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I wish we could have heard Abe’s voice so we could imagine him saying those words. From a historian POV, that’s what I hate about Trump. He really thinks he’s up there with our greats.

If Abe came back and was told he was one of the greats he would reply, “I just did what I believed to be best for the Union. That history decided this made me great is of little consequence to me.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:33:01am

re: #216 lawhawk

SMOTI being SMOTI.

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A single poll that shows Trump underwater (49%). Yeah, he’s unpopular not because of being smeared, but because he’s a fucknut awful person and even worse president.

How popular is Trump? Not. He’s been underwater from day one because a majority of the country didn’t vote for him. The polls reflect this. It also reflects both his max and minimum - there’s a core bigot brigade that will support him unconditionally no matter how insane Trump is.

The range of polling shows him nowhere near being 50% approval.

Oh, and that 49% polling? Rasmussen. 538 rates their polling as… suspect.

Trump’s approval ratings for his first 2 years are below every other president of the last 50 years.

one of these polls is not like all the other 10

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:34:08am

re: #218 Sir John Barron

Not The Onion?

interesting that “Surprisingly few, if any, well-known right-wing news sites had any lists of takeaways.”

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Jay C  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:34:19am

re: #267 lawhawk

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And I’m guessing Trump’s Twitter-bitching about Adam Schiff probably isn’t unrelated to the fact that he (Schiff) just sent Robert Mueller a ton of HPSCI documents that former Committee Chairman Devin (The Tool) Nunes had kept locked up.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:35:33am

re: #225 lawhawk

Officials in an Arizona city on the U.S.-Mexico border want the government to remove razor wire from a border wall that runs through town. pic.twitter.com

— U.S. News (@usnews) February 7, 2019

Hahahahaha.

What a clusterfuck this whole fence thing is.

It really seems no one actually on the border wants the wall. It is all driven by Trump and his asshole backers in states far from the border.

But still he persists. And everyone resists.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:36:42am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:39:12am

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:39:27am

re: #266 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is all about killing freedom of choice

And redistricting.

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stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:40:01am

re: #264 GlutenFreeJesus

Molly
@MsMollyRachael
This is why women have a longer life expectancy.

When my sisters and I were little kids, the local park had a circular slide that was originally part of a factory’s fire escape (I found its history, but I couldn’t find a photo. It was removed in 2012 because it was considered a public danger).

My mom would send all three of us off to the slide armed with sheets of waxed paper that we’d sit on while going down the slide. We’d get it so waxed up that every kid coming down the slide looked like that second boy. It was a blast!

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:41:00am

re: #274 Jay C

And I’m guessing Trump’s Twitter-bitching about Adam Schiff probably isn’t unrelated to the fact that he (Schiff) just sent Robert Mueller a ton of HPSCI documents that former Committee Chairman Devin (The Tool) Nunes had kept locked up.

That’s definitely part of it.

What Trump ignores (and he’s ignoring plenty), is that the HPSCI voice voted to pass along those documents. That means that there was bipartisan support for doing so.

In other words, even the GOPers on the panel realize that there’s enough there to refer to Mueller and federal prosecutors for further investigation and scrutiny.

Some GOPers on the panel might think that this helps some of the targets of the investigation, but the reality is that none of this helps Trump. They’re going to be in for a bad time.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:42:03am

re: #246 gwangung

A lot of the Native Americans I work with are kinda upset, because of the history of this…they’ve been trying to re-emphasize the ties of culture and involvement, and not just DNA ancestry, and Warren seemingly undercuts this (because it’s taken as gospel truth by the racist right that Warren got all sorts of advantages because of her ancestry).

Some were not that chuffed, but they were irritated that she didn’t move in concert with various Native American tribes (and she didn’t do more for Standing Rock).

But that’s just blaming the victim. Warren never made much of her putative ancestry, it was the racist right that picked this up and amplified it.

And the Standing Rock criticism seems to come from the Bernie Bro left.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:42:13am

re: #242 Citizen K

Because Dems always pay for lesser sins of what GOPers do without consequence?

Seriously, McCarthy’s family quite notably got actual benefits from their claim. Warren’s were nebulous and done without any tangible material gain that can be seen or connected to her.

Warren’s getting crucified for what essentially amounts to her family mythologizing their background and her apparently genuinely buying it, and actually being contrite when she finds out it’s not as solid as expect.

But, you know how things work in this country: “Both Sides, Same Thing*”

*But Dems are always worse and more evil when they do it.

That’s because Democrats talk about politics being dirty and holding people responsible. Republicans are just dirty and don’t talk about it.

So you accept one will never change and the other tries to be good but do fail some times…so nail the do-gooders to the wall!

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:43:24am

re: #275 ObserverArt

Hahahahaha.

What a clusterfuck this whole fence thing is.

It really seems no one actually on the border wants the wall. It is all driven by Trump and his asshole backers in states far from the border.

But still he persists. And everyone resists.

Support for the wall is highest among the people furthest from a border - and among people who have the least amount of interaction with someone who isn’t white.

The wall is proxy for white nationalist policies to keep nonwhites out of the country. Trump’s immigration policy is a white nationalist wet dream. His domestic agenda has white nationalism written all over it - particularly in rolling back civil and voting rights.

Add a dash of misogyny and Christian theocracy, and that’s the GOP platform.

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William Lewis  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:43:46am

re: #244 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I watched a few of Berwick’s YouTube videos. Makes my skin crawl. He’s one of those guys who charges large sums of money to teach people about cryptocurrencies, hard metals, and Austrian economics. And anarchism.

Anarchism ends in two ways - one big boss and the rest either dead or enslaved.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:44:50am

Trump on NAFTA 2.0 - he thinks it’s already a done deal and in effect. It isn’t.

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:45:04am

re: #281 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

And the Standing Rock criticism seems to come from the Bernie Bro left.

Standing Rock is a big issue among Native American tribes, as well as a lot of POC communities whether or not they were Sanders supporters. It has a lot of broad support.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:46:55am

re: #280 lawhawk

That’s definitely part of it.

What Trump ignores (and he’s ignoring plenty), is that the HPSCI voice voted to pass along those documents. That means that there was bipartisan support for doing so.

In other words, even the GOPers on the panel realize that there’s enough there to refer to Mueller and federal prosecutors for further investigation and scrutiny.

Some GOPers on the panel might think that this helps some of the targets of the investigation, but the reality is that none of this helps Trump. They’re going to be in for a bad time.

Interestingly, there’s only one new Republican on the Intelligence Committee. It’s not like GOP leadership decided to clean house after the debacle of the last two years. Curious what the thinking is (if there is any)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:50:18am

re: #268 Eclectic Cyborg

Does this not set a bad precedent though? Does this not mean we are now living in a world where politicians can get away with just about anything without having to give up their elected offices?

no not, anything or even just about
it has to be contextualized and weighed against the level of the office
and include the motivations of where and how the story came to light

from yesterday LGF
and other posts of mine in that thread and the one after

if the other side is playing by a different set of rules, we *maybe* should not unilaterally surrender each battle they create for their advantage at least for a while

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:50:52am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:52:21am

WTELF?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:53:14am
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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:53:17am

re: #286 gwangung

Standing Rock is a big issue among Native American tribes, as well as a lot of POC communities whether or not they were Sanders supporters. It has a lot of broad support.

No question about it — and rightly so. But the criticisn of EW specifically all seems to be coming from one source.

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gwangung  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:55:46am

re: #292 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

No question about it — and rightly so. But the criticisn of EW specifically all seems to be coming from one source.

Well, as far as you know. Like I said, I hear it from Native American people I work with.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:56:35am

Amazing that someone at Gucci looked at that and was like: “Yeah, this is a great idea!”

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Jay C  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:57:26am

re: #287 KGxvi

Interestingly, there’s only one new Republican on the Intelligence Committee. It’s not like GOP leadership decided to clean house after the debacle of the last two years. Curious what the thinking is (if there is any)

Beat me to the very same comment. That the Repubs on the Committee are mainly the same gang that were there last session (including Hack Nunes) means they know what’s in the material Schiff sent over - they had to also know that the new Majority wasn’t going to sit on it: so maybe they were avoiding a partisan vote out of embarrassment?
(Even if Congressional GOPers were capable of being embarrassed)…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 8:58:15am

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Gucci removes $890 “blackface” sweater, apologizes after receiving backlash

so was it deliberate on the company’s part?
or just boneheaded that nobody saw how it was gonna be received?

would anyone have cared if it was in another color (still with the ‘lips’)?

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Teukka  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:06:49am

Python Break :P

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:07:07am

Also, my wife has permission to slap me if I ever spend $890 on a sweater.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:07:29am

re: #296 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

so was it deliberate on the company’s part?
or just boneheaded that nobody saw how it was gonna be received?

would anyone have cared if it was in another color (still with the ‘lips’)?

The company is Italian — which might account for missing the implications. I’d say I’m surprised, but we’ve seen a lot of cluelessness on this subject lately.

(No, I don’t think anyone would have noticed if there were other colors — Gucci has done stuff somewhat like it without those particular colors.)

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:08:58am

re: #298 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, my wife has permission to slap me if I ever spend $890 on a sweater.

Even if it’s for her?

/ducks, runs

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:10:03am

re: #300 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

Even if it’s for her?

/ducks, runs

LOL.

Yes, actually. She’d prefer I put the money towards a weekend getaway or something.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:11:07am

re: #301 Eclectic Cyborg

LOL.

Yes, actually. She’d prefer I put the money towards a weekend getaway or something.

You Chose Well. 😌

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:14:25am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazing that someone at Gucci looked at that and was like: “Yeah, this is a great idea!”

And, it is something like two months since Prada had to abandon their “monkeys”

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:15:49am

The AOC thread with her “Corruption Game” posted above was fun to watch.

While I love what she is doing, I sort of worry about her. She is opening up a can of worms taking about things like PACs, lobbyists and other shaky campaign finance.

There are powerful people in the political world that would be very interested in shutting her up.

I hope she can shake the system to its base and cause huge change. She is going to need the support of a lot of people to do that.

She is very enthused right now and I think that can really piss a lot of people off as they wonder where this upstart gets off doing this.

Here are the three individual tweets with the videos of her playing her corruption game in case anyone wants to watch them without going back through the thread.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:15:57am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:19:25am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I’ve heard of Holocaust Denial but Holocaust Forgetting? And this just says where the Republican Party is.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:21:58am

re: #304 ObserverArt

The AOC thread with her “Corruption Game” posted above was fun to watch.

While I love what she is doing, I sort of worry about her. She is opening up a can of worms taking about things like PACs, lobbyists and other shaky campaign finance.

There are powerful people in the political world that would be very interested in shutting her up.

I hope she can shake the system to its base and cause huge change. She is going to need the support of a lot of people to do that.

She is very enthused right now and I think that can really piss a lot of people off as they wonder where this upstart gets off doing this.

Here are the three individual tweets with the videos of her playing her corruption game in case anyone wants to watch them without going back through the thread.

A lot of that is up to us Democrats. She can get away with this because Democrats have been dropping large amounts of money on elections. If we stop, we give the PACs room to regain control.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:25:43am
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:28:39am

re: #229 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, the Wells Fargo website is down completely right now.

I wonder if there is a ransomware incident going on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:28:39am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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We’re from the state re-elected Harry Byrd repeatedly you hypocrite tool. Oh and telling he brought up Kaine and Warner. Fuck him and his anti NoVa bullshit.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:29:58am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

My family has lived in VA since the 1600s. VA would never elect people like Northam, Fairfax, Herring, Warner or Kaine without the votes of federal gov employees in NOVA. They are all an embarrassment to VA & the Founders never intended the Dist of Columbia to sprawl out into VA!

shorter idiodic falwell:

VA would never elect people like Northam, Fairfax, Herring, Warner or Kaine without the votes of enough Virginians.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:34:17am

re: #311 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

shorter idiodic falwell:

VA would never elect people like Northam, Fairfax, Herring, Warner or Kaine without the votes of enough Virginians.

Well we federal employees aren’t real enough for him even though the GOP is full of non natives itself.

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:38:00am

re: #309 BlueSpotinAL

I wonder if there is a ransomware incident going on.

This is what is being reported by one station in Montana.

We received a tip from an employee within Wells Fargo with knowledge of the issue.

According to the employee, the outage is a result of a fire at the server farm located in Shoreview, Minnesota. As a result of the fire the servers had to be shut down.

According to the employee, the servers may be down until Friday.

abcfoxmontana.com

Obviously, Wells Fargo is saying nothing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:40:03am

re: #313 mmmirele

Damn.

I’m no IT professional but even I know your system is seriously fucked up when a fire at a single server farm can bring it all down.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:40:44am

re: #305 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

That’ll really make the case for Gavin McInnes against the SPLC where he claims that they aren’t a hate group.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:40:56am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What he’s saying is that ur-Virginia is is still stuck in the Southern Segregationist Stone Age. Not a compliment to the founders’ descendants (although I don’t believe him).

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:40:58am

re: #304 ObserverArt

The AOC thread with her “Corruption Game” posted above was fun to watch.

While I love what she is doing, I sort of worry about her. She is opening up a can of worms taking about things like PACs, lobbyists and other shaky campaign finance.

There are powerful people in the political world that would be very interested in shutting her up.

I hope she can shake the system to its base and cause huge change. She is going to need the support of a lot of people to do that.

She is very enthused right now and I think that can really piss a lot of people off as they wonder where this upstart gets off doing this.

Here are the three individual tweets with the videos of her playing her corruption game in case anyone wants to watch them without going back through the thread.

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One of the interesting things about AOC is that she didn’t come up through the traditional party machines (which work mostly the same in both parties). She wasn’t someone that worked in a politician’s district or DC office, she didn’t go to the right events and meet the right people, she isn’t part of the network. As a result, she doesn’t necessarily need the system and network. Whether the system would eat her alive or not is still a question.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:43:06am

re: #317 KGxvi

One of the interesting things about AOC is that she didn’t come up through the traditional party machines (which work mostly the same in both parties). She wasn’t someone that worked in a politician’s district or DC office, she didn’t go to the right events and meet the right people, she isn’t part of the network. As a result, she doesn’t necessarily need the system and network. Whether the system would eat her alive or not is still a question.

She did intern Ted Kennedy:

During college, she served as an intern in the immigration office during the final year of U.S. Senator Ted Kennedy’s tenure.[26] “I was the only Spanish speaker, and as a result, as basically a kid—a 19-, 20-year-old kid—whenever a frantic call would come into the office because someone is looking for their husband because they have been snatched off the street by ICE, I was the one that had to pick up that phone,” Ocasio-Cortez said. “I was the one that had to help that person navigate that system.”[26]

But her track was a bit different.

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ThomasLite  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:44:31am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn.

I’m no IT professional but even I know your system is seriously fucked up when a fire at a single server farm can bring it all down.

Well, that’s the interesting thing with banking. You really, really, **really** want to ensure your data is 100% coherent. Also, too: fail safe means precisely that - fail in such a manner that at least nobody loses any money (or gets away with someone else’s). From what I gather every bank worth their salt has backups in umpteen different locations but the actual live account and transaction database is very much one single unit, on one single location.
…With backups for the backups for pretty much every subsystem, but enough of a fire will put a dent in any redundancy other than a second site. Which (at least here in continental Europe) I understand is actually not at all common.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:45:32am

re: #314 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn.

I’m no IT professional but even I know your system is seriously fucked up when a fire at a single server farm can bring it all down.

That’s a serious failure of their business continuity planning (BCP), if that’s what it turns out to be.

You would expect companies of the size/scope as Wells Fargo to have multiple server farms in multiple locations to make sure that a problem at one will not cripple their business.

But you’d be wrong. Trying to do things on the cheap and consolidation of locations means that businesses can be susceptible to failures like this.

On Wall Street, BCP has meant looking to locate their back offices outside of the immediate NYC locations - Jersey City isn’t sufficiently far enough away, so some are looking to servers elsewhere. Banks like WF or Chase have national business, so tying everything to a single server farm is a real bad idea from a BCP perspective.

It’s also yet another reason to consider regulations to make sure that these businesses are aware and incorporate those issues into BCP.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:45:53am

re: #313 mmmirele

This is what is being reported by one station in Montana.

abcfoxmontana.com

Obviously, Wells Fargo is saying nothing.

Ever since an incident that shut down the ATMs for my bank on the weekend before Christmas, I have kept my checking and savings accounts in two different banks (not that I write many checks these days!) I realize that’s not feasible for everyone.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:47:27am

Doug Jones is voting yea on Barr’s nomination.

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Semper Fi  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:48:40am

re: #304 ObserverArt

Thank you for this post.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:49:14am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:49:54am

re: #322 lawhawk

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Doug Jones is voting yea on Barr’s nomination.

Bah.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:51:03am

re: #316 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

What he’s saying is that ur-Virginia is is still stuck in the Southern Segregationist Stone Age. Not a compliment to the founders’ descendants (although I don’t believe him).

exactly
that people who live in the state are somehow not representative of the state

what a stunningly stupid idea

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:52:18am

re: #320 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:53:12am

re: #327 mmmirele

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:55:06am

re: #324 lawhawk

Wow. Breaking: Whitaker says he won’t testify tomorrow unless Democrats drop their subpoena threat

- committee: ok we wont
- whittaker testifies
- whittaker receives subpoena
- whittaker: hey committee, wtf?
- committee: we said that to get what we wanted. learned it from your boss.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:55:46am

Norment is the current Virginia Senate Majority Leader

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:56:52am

re: #326 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

exactly
that people who live in the state are somehow not representative of the state

what a stunningly stupid idea

I think there’s a “carpetbaggers” subtext there too. To appeal to his fellow primitives.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:57:01am

Zre: #330 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Norment is the current Virginia Senate Majority Leader

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And a Republican so Virginia GOP shut the fuck up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:57:36am

re: #322 lawhawk

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Doug Jones is voting yea on Barr’s nomination.

He’s probably doing this to try and increase his chances of being re-elected. Democrat or not, Jones is still from a deeply red state and will have a much harder time beating a Republican who is NOT as damaged as Roy Moore was.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:58:46am

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s probably doing this to try and increase his chances of being re-elected. Democrat or not, Jones is still from a deeply red state and will have a much harder time beating a Republican who is NOT as damaged as Roy Moore was.

Yeah he’s gotta unfortunately pick his battles. I’m disappointed by his decision but understand the politics.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 9:59:48am

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s probably doing this to try and increase his chances of being re-elected. Democrat or not, Jones is still from a deeply red state and will have a much harder time beating a Republican who is NOT as damaged as Roy Moore was.

Plus we already know Barr will be confirmed, so his vote doesn’t make a real difference (and is defensible too).

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CongoJack  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:00:08am

re: #322 lawhawk

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Doug Jones is voting yea on Barr’s nomination.

re: #333 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s probably doing this to try and increase his chances of being re-elected. Democrat or not, Jones is still from a deeply red state and will have a much harder time beating a Republican who is NOT as damaged as Roy Moore was.

I’ve also heard it argued that Barr is an old school institutionalist (at least what passes for one in the current GOP). He may be the best option for Ds comparatively to what the choice could have been.

That said. I really have no idea.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:01:01am

Just to expand the reach: Adam Silverman over at Balloon Juice has a feral cat they are hoping to find a home for in the Northern VA area because they are moving. The cat got an infection and lost the user of one eye. He says it would probably make a good barn cat.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:03:21am

re: #330 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Geez…to think I was once considering VMI when I was looking at going to college.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:04:24am

re: #336 CongoJack

I’ve also heard it argued that Barr is an old school institutionalist (at least what passes for one in the current GOP). He may be the best option for Ds comparatively to what the choice could have been.

That said. I really have no idea.

He’s definitely better than Sessions and/or Whittiker, and probably better than anyone else Trump would try to appoint. Plus he’s now saying he’ll do everything he can to make the Mueller Report public, that’s got to count for something.

I can also understand Democrats choosing to vote against any Trump appointee because they believe that Trump himself is utterly corrupt and unqualified.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:10:19am

re: #308 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Hey, Jerry… the Founders also didn’t anticipate being able to literally travel around the world in less than 24 hours, either. They didn’t anticipate a nation of 325 million people spread across the continent (and half way across the Pacific). They also didn’t intend for people to vote for Senators, or that Electors would rubber stamp the popular vote for president in each state.

If you took the most forward thinking founders - Hamilton, Adams, Franklin - and dropped them in 2019, their brains would fry in less then fifteen seconds.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:10:43am

re: #311 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

My family has lived in VA since the 1600s. VA would never elect people like Northam, Fairfax, Herring, Warner or Kaine without the votes of federal gov employees in NOVA. They are all an embarrassment to VA & the Founders never intended the Dist of Columbia to sprawl out into VA!

This appears to be the latest wingnut thing:

My ancestors discovered Amercia! My family has lived in Amercia/US State since the 1600’s!

Like they’re higher level Americans or something.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:11:48am

re: #313 mmmirele

This is what is being reported by one station in Montana.

abcfoxmontana.com

Obviously, Wells Fargo is saying nothing.

And they have no “Hot Site” to transfer processing to? Very bad planning.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:14:42am

re: #342 Eventual Carrion

sounds like no DR whatsoever.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:14:59am

re: #341 Sir John Barron

This appears to be the latest wingnut thing:

My ancestors discovered Amercia! My family has lived in Amercia/US State since the 1600’s!

Like they’re higher level Americans or something.

They certainly do think it makes them better. Coulter kinda pioneered that.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:16:05am

re: #324 lawhawk

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Fine, then subpoena the fucker right now.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:16:19am

Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of things that we could learn from the Founders, just like there’s plenty we could learn from Aristotle, Plato, and Cicero. But just to show how different the world is today than it was in 1776 - to travel from Concord, NH to Atlanta, GA (the northernmost and southernmost capitals of the original states/colonies), in 1776 would have taken 16 days without stopping; you can now do that same trip in less than a day by car, and in less than a work day by plane.

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CongoJack  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:17:23am

re: #342 Eventual Carrion

And they have no “Hot Site” to transfer processing to? Very bad planning.

I’ve worked in a data center which at the time was the largest virtual environment in the US. We had 3 redundant systems. Offsite backups in 2 locations, 1 backup stored in an underground vault (just in case). What would cause the Wells Fargo thing from happening is the staff in charge of monitoring the status of these items fell asleep at the wheel and didn’t initiate the transfer to the backup. Not saying this happened. But back in the day we had a system down for 6 hours. Why was it down? The other staff member forgot to restart a server during the nightly routine.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:19:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:21:07am

re: #346 KGxvi

Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty of things that we could learn from the Founders, just like there’s plenty we could learn from Aristotle, Plato, and Cicero. But just to show how different the world is today than it was in 1776 - to travel from Concord, NH to Atlanta, GA (the northernmost and southernmost capitals of the original states/colonies), in 1776 would have taken 16 days without stopping; you can now do that same trip in less than a day by car, and in less than a work day by plane.

Just crazy to think about. The country a figurative sense could be said to be a bigger place then even though literally speaking it was smaller.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:21:21am

re: #348 lawhawk

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:21:21am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:23:26am

re: #351 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That one guy who mocked his son for being in robotics should read about this.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:29:42am

Anyone going to watch CNN’s promotional event for Schultz?

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Citizen K  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:31:11am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Anyone going to watch CNN’s promotional event for Schultz?

Nah, I see too much of the media’s inability to learn from/willingness to learn the exact wrong lessons from 2016 to need a reminder in ‘Town Hall’ form.

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:36:18am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Anyone going to watch CNN’s promotional event for Schultz?

Only if they let AOC on with him.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:36:41am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Anyone going to watch CNN’s promotional event for Schultz?

Why bother, the guy’s numbers are worse than the clap at this point.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:37:03am
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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:37:46am

re: #155 mmmirele

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William Lewis  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:38:20am

re: #355 Belafon

Only if they let AOC on with him.

Are you kidding? I”d PAY to see her shred him like a Stratocaster.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:38:37am

re: #355 Belafon

Only if they let AOC on with him.

Schultz: All I’m saying is taxing rich people is bad
AOC: Some of you have never had an abuela throw a chancla at you and it shows

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:38:54am

re: #357 lawhawk

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Holy shit.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:39:00am

re: #357 lawhawk

So then, it’s Thursday?

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:39:27am
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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:40:11am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:40:30am

Okay, so am I like the only weirdo who has NEVER had a racist yearbook?

Half /

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:40:33am

re: #354 Citizen K

Nah, I see too much of the media’s inability to learn from/willingness to learn the exact wrong lessons from 2016 to need a reminder in ‘Town Hall’ form.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:41:37am

Since we’re talking about people who want to be president but probably aren’t going to be president… This doesn’t seem like the kind of roll out that Senator Klobuchar had in mind:

At least three people have withdrawn from consideration to lead Sen. Amy Klobuchar’s nascent 2020 presidential campaign — and done so in part because of the Minnesota Democrat’s history of mistreating her staff, HuffPost has learned.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:42:12am

re: #366 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Did he discover that water is in fact wet?

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:42:25am

re: #362 KGxvi

So then, it’s Thursday?

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mmmirele  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:42:29am

re: #358 Eric The Fruit Bat

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:42:55am

re: #367 KGxvi

Since we’re talking about people who want to be president but probably aren’t going to be president… This doesn’t seem like the kind of roll out that Senator Klobuchar had in mind:

That’s definitely not good publicity.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:43:38am

re: #367 KGxvi

Something does seem off about that whole story though. Does she really go through staff, and have issues or is this another case of screwing over women who seek to be president?

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:44:15am

re: #367 KGxvi

Since we’re talking about people who want to be president but probably aren’t going to be president… This doesn’t seem like the kind of roll out that Senator Klobuchar had in mind:

That generally means she would be a bad president.

Edit: I should add that if this is true.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:44:16am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:44:43am

Why must we be stuck with so many shitty politicians?

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sagehen  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:46:30am

Because we live in a country with so many shitty voters?

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Old Liberal  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:46:36am

re: #295 Jay C

Beat me to the very same comment. That the Repubs on the Committee are mainly the same gang that were there last session (including Hack Nunes) means they know what’s in the material Schiff sent over - they had to also know that the new Majority wasn’t going to sit on it: so maybe they were avoiding a partisan vote out of embarrassment?
(Even if Congressional GOPers were capable of being embarrassed)…

Voice vote. Plausible deniability. Couldn’t stop it but can claim they were agin it later

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:46:46am

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

Why must we be stuck with so many shitty politicians?

1. Look at the people we’re drawing from.
2. You’re not going to hear a lot of stories about the good ones.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:47:03am

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

Why must we be stuck with so many shitty politicians?

Because our leaders reflect the people they lead?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:47:06am

re: #372 lawhawk

Something does seem off about that whole story though. Does she really go through staff, and have issues or is this another case of screwing over women who seek to be president?

It was interesting that the staffers who enjoyed working for her went on record by name while those who were critical did not. I’m sure there’s some truth of both. I’m sure she could be a challenging boss but not cruel.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:47:41am

re: #375 Eclectic Cyborg

Why must we be stuck with so many shitty politicians?

Our leaders reflect us ultimately.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:48:38am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Our leaders reflect us ultimately.

Which is really saying a lot. It’s like we’re a nation of complete assholes now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:48:52am

re: #281 A hollow voice says, Covfefe.

But that’s just blaming the victim. Warren never made much of her putative ancestry, it was the racist right that picked this up and amplified it.

And the Standing Rock criticism seems to come from the Bernie Bro left.

Which itself is fueled and manipulated by GOP ratfuckers.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:50:03am

re: #294 Eclectic Cyborg

Amazing that someone at Gucci looked at that and was like: “Yeah, this is a great idea!”

It is a great idea to sell an $80 sweater for $890.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:50:55am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

Which is really saying a lot. It’s like we’re a nation of complete assholes now.

We’re not the only ones but it does seem like we have more assholes than not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:51:20am

re: #384 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a great idea to sell an $80 sweater for $890.

Yeah but you’d at least think it would have occurred to someone to maybe change the colors or something.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:51:46am

re: #372 lawhawk

Something does seem off about that whole story though. Does she really go through staff, and have issues or is this another case of screwing over women who seek to be president?

This is also from the story:

What is indisputable, however, is that Klobuchar’s office consistently has one of the highest rates of staff turnover in the Senate. Klobuchar’s rate of turnover ranked No. 1 in an analysis of all Senate staff salaries between 2001 and 2016, conducted by LegiStorm, a widely used database of congressional staff salaries. (Klobuchar was sworn into office in 2007.) She’s now third, behind Maryland Democrat Chris Van Hollen and Louisiana Republican John Kennedy.

And this is not the first time Klobuchar has had issues building a team because of worries about her mistreatment of staff.

A former employee in her Senate office recalled her struggling to find an outside candidate to replace an outgoing chief of staff. A staffer in another Hill office recounted losing interest in a job opening with Klobuchar when a current staffer, the one conducting the interview, conveyed that avoiding Klobuchar’s anger was a significant part of the job.

I’ve worked for plenty of bad bosses, male and female, over the years. Including places that had high turnover. It makes it a lot harder to do a good job. So, yeah, as Belafon said, if it’s true, she probably wouldn’t make a good president.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:53:58am

Reading all comments from my large, diverse and active group of friends on FB, and the posts and comments on the hundred+ groups and pages I run, and the hundreds I monitor, NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT VIRGINIA!

No one. I find this curious. I don’t watch TV so I don’t know what consumers are getting, but is this as much of a nothing as it seems to me?

Alternative motivation: Could we end up this year with having this kind of past being acceptable going forward? Is this to cover southern Republicans in the long run?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:55:18am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, so am I like the only weirdo who has NEVER had a racist yearbook?

Half /

Are you from north of the Mason-Dixon Line?

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:55:20am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

Our leaders reflect us ultimately.

Beto is my leader. And Xochitl Torres Small.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:56:07am

re: #343 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

sounds like no DR whatsoever.

When I worked for the government (county central data processing), we had 3 hot sites that got our backups and journal files daily. Then I worked for a hospital system that had one hot site and a contingency plan for a mobile hot site if needed if something happened to the initial hot site. Hell, now I work for a little specialized software company and we even have 2 backup sites contracted that could be up in 4 hours if something happened to our data center and we don’t do anything near as critical as government, hospital or banking transactions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:56:43am

re: #390 wrenchwench

Beto is my leader. And Xochitl Torres Small.

I’m waiting for Beto to run. I really think he’d be a good candidate

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:57:04am

re: #388 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I’m sure a lot of older people, as in over 35, probably looked at the blackface and went “Considering what I did back then…” and decided they couldn’t judge, at least out loud.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:57:12am

re: #390 wrenchwench

Beto is my leader. And Xochitl Torres Small.

Yes. People like AOC also give me hope that there can be good politicians elected.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:57:51am

re: #386 Eclectic Cyborg

Yeah but you’d at least think it would have occurred to someone to maybe change the colors or something.

Again, things like this are a somewhat more nuanced than simply blackface = racism.

But that is what it has come down to in the current shouting match because the VA GOP saw a vulnerability that it set out to exploit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:57:56am

re: #387 KGxvi

This is also from the story:

I’ve worked for plenty of bad bosses, male and female, over the years. Including places that had high turnover. It makes it a lot harder to do a good job. So, yeah, as Belafon said, if it’s true, she probably wouldn’t make a good president.

But, but, look at th3 turnover in this administration…I read all the time that he’s the greatest preznit, evah.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:57:59am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 10:59:35am

re: #397 lawhawk

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Presidential harassment like spreading lies about the President’s birthright?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:00:15am

re: #390 wrenchwench

Beto is my leader. And Xochitl Torres Small.

Lot of good ones still there thankfully.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:02:54am

re: #399 HappyWarrior

Lot of good ones still there thankfully.

My governor:

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:03:25am

re: #330 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Norment is the current Virginia Senate Majority Leader

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this is why, at least these days, you dont act too quickly, or draw conclusions too hastily

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:05:21am

re: #387 KGxvi

This is also from the story:

I’ve worked for plenty of bad bosses, male and female, over the years. Including places that had high turnover. It makes it a lot harder to do a good job. So, yeah, as Belafon said, if it’s true, she probably wouldn’t make a good president.

I’d be curious to see the turnover rates for the Senate as a whole. This can’t be dismissed. It doesn’t make her a bad senator but perhaps not the best choice for the Presidency. It’s complicated tho. I think if she were a complete tyrant boss, she wouldn’t have had former staffers speak out for her in name.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:06:08am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:07:29am

re: #403 wrenchwench

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:07:43am

re: #370 mmmirele

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:09:28am

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stpaulbear  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:09:52am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

I’d be curious to see the turnover rates for the Senate as a whole. This can’t be dismissed. It doesn’t make her a bad senator but perhaps not the best choice for the Presidency. It’s complicated tho. I think if she were a complete tyrant boss, she wouldn’t have had former staffers speak out for her in name.

I’ll be more than happy to keep her as a senator. I’ve never been excited about the idea of Klobuchar running for president.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:10:23am

re: #353 Barefoot Grin

Anyone going to watch CNN’s promotional event for Schultz?

I don’t watch CNN now. Only catch the videos posted here.

So, no. And I hope it is a complete dud ratings wise so that Schultz gets the message.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:11:36am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Are you from north of the Mason-Dixon Line?

That doesn’t matter because there was a lot of RACIST shhhaaavvviiinnnngggg cream in my high school yearbooks which is why I NEVER cooperated or bought them. And they did retaliate by not including my picture.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:11:51am

re: #407 stpaulbear

I’ll be more than happy to keep her as a senator. I’ve never been excited about the idea of Klobuchar running for president.

Yeah she seems really smart and hardworking. Not every Senator is Presidential material. Doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be valued as a Senator. I don’t blame her for wanting to test the waters.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:12:39am

re: #402 HappyWarrior

I’d be curious to see the turnover rates for the Senate as a whole. This can’t be dismissed. It doesn’t make her a bad senator but perhaps not the best choice for the Presidency. It’s complicated tho. I think if she were a complete tyrant boss, she wouldn’t have had former staffers speak out for her in name.

Here’s the LegiStorm info on turnover. And more from HuffPo here. There are a lot of caveats in there. Just interesting that right before she announces, that this comes out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:12:50am

re: #409 Joe Bacon 🌹

That doesn’t matter because there was a lot of RACIST shhhaaavvviiinnnngggg cream in my high school yearbooks which is why I NEVER cooperated or bought them. And they did retaliate by not including my picture.

Black face was also invented by a New Yorker. This definitely isn’t just a Southern thing.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:12:52am

re: #365 Eclectic Cyborg

Okay, so am I like the only weirdo who has NEVER had a racist yearbook?

Half /

Run for president and we’ll let you know

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:14:20am

re: #410 HappyWarrior

Yeah she seems really smart and hardworking. Not every Senator is Presidential material. Doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be valued as a Senator. I don’t blame her for wanting to test the waters.

The Senate is typically made up of about 60 people who want to be president, 10 people who tried to be president, and 30 people who wanted to be president but are now too old.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:14:47am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:17:30am

re: #414 KGxvi

The Senate is typically made up of about 60 people who want to be president, 10 people who tried to be president, and 30 people who wanted to be president but are now too old.

Yup
Every senator looks in the mirror in the morning and sees a president

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:18:07am

re: #411 KGxvi

Here’s the LegiStorm info on turnover. And more from HuffPo here. There are a lot of caveats in there. Just interesting that right before she announces, that this comes out.

Thanks. You definitely see a mix of women and men with high and low turnover since Van Hollen tops the Dems and Kennedy the Republicans while Harris and Warren have low rates. This doesn’t tell you everything obviously.

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:18:34am

re: #415 jaunte

A normal/smart administration would just invoke executive privilege and force Congress to litigate the matter. I really don’t understand why nobody in the Trump orbit hasn’t figured that out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:18:50am

re: #414 KGxvi

The Senate is typically made up of about 60 people who want to be president, 10 people who tried to be president, and 30 people who wanted to be president but are now too old.

Damn. That’s pretty spot on.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:19:21am

re: #418 KGxvi

Renato Mariotti seems to think it’s just a delaying tactic to get Barr into place.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:19:21am

re: #416 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Yup
Every senator looks in the mirror in the morning and sees a president

Yeah easily.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:19:28am

re: #418 KGxvi

A normal/smart administration would just invoke executive privilege and force Congress to litigate the matter. I really don’t understand why nobody in the Trump orbit hasn’t figured that out.

You are overestimating their intelligence.

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A hollow voice says, Covfefe.  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:19:29am

re: #418 KGxvi

A normal/smart administration would just invoke executive privilege and force Congress to litigate the matter. I really don’t understand why nobody in the Trump orbit hasn’t figured that out.

The clue is in “normal/smart.”

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:21:32am

GOP: Now Home Of The Optional Subpoena

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:22:13am

re: #420 jaunte

Renato Mariotti seems to think it’s just a delaying tactic to get Barr into place.

Sure, but they could probably still subpoena Whitaker after Barr is confirmed. Or require Barr to testify about the same issues (it’s the office, not the office holder)

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:23:11am

re: #425 KGxvi

I’m not saying it’s a “good” tactic.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:23:17am

re: #372 lawhawk

Something does seem off about that whole story though. Does she really go through staff, and have issues or is this another case of screwing over women who seek to be president?

After reading that article I’m gonna say there is some political BS involved.

I get the feeling there is some “bash-the-strong-woman” because she is demanding and women should be nice.

Sounds like the unnamed claimants have a problem with a woman that holds them accountable.

I’ll give this one time to work out. If she is as bad as the claims there will be others backing it up. If others come to her defense, then I think it is political…maybe someone that doesn’t want to see her rise to a presidential run and are trying to harpoon it.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:23:25am
new CNN poll finds that 87% of Americans say special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigators should produce a full, public report on their findings, a sentiment that crosses party lines

Can’t linky on this phone..it’s cnn

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:23:51am

Whitaker refuses to take bath, holds breath, collapses on floor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:23:51am

I think sometimes we do underestimate the personality part of the nomination process. Obviously in the GE, we should vote our values but when we’re deciding on a nominee, personality does matter. Political skills like preparation, delegation, etc are something I try to consider just as much as ideology.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:24:42am

re: #387 KGxvi

This is also from the story:

I’ve worked for plenty of bad bosses, male and female, over the years. Including places that had high turnover. It makes it a lot harder to do a good job. So, yeah, as Belafon said, if it’s true, she probably wouldn’t make a good president.

Seems really odd since she seems like a really not angry type of person. Of course how people are behind close doors in the office is another story from their public face.

I’ve actually met Van Hollen here in MD and he also seems like a not very angry or difficult person at all.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:26:03am

re: #415 jaunte

Why is Whitaker being asked to testify/being subpoenaed?

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:26:49am

re: #376 sagehen

Because we live in a country with so many shitty voters?

Who also happen to be shitty people doing shitty things.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:28:00am

Bill Clinton was also very rough on staff. I recall audio clips coming out shortly after his election in 92 where he was berating staff members. So, it’s not unusual or confined to one gender.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #432 Sir John Barron

They want to know if he promised Trump to derail the investigation.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:29:07am

“conversations with the White House involving special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia probe”

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:30:59am

re: #434 Sir John Barron

Bill Clinton was also very rough on staff. I recall audio clips coming out shortly after his election in 92 where he was berating staff members. So, it’s not unusual or confined to one gender.

Clinton, Van Hollen, Klobuchar… all of them were attorneys. My experiences that I referenced were also mostly within the context of practicing law. Perhaps that’s the common thread. Lawyers tend to work on different standards and norms (which can often times be damn near toxic), so that might have something to do with it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:31:39am

re: #431 Sir John Barron

Seems really odd since she seems like a really not angry type of person. Of course how people are behind close doors in the office is another story from their public face.

I’ve actually met Van Hollen here in MD and he also seems like a not very angry or difficult person at all.

Kaine having a good rate otoh doesn’t shock me. When Kaine’s yearbook was shown last night. I said I can’t even imagine Kaine as a young man calling a woman a bitch or even really losing his temper. I’ve seen him upset. But he’s never struck me as ill tempered. I mean I don’t think you can ignore what people who have worked for have said good or bad but you gotta take into account there are other factors. One person could easily be embellishing their experience because they didn’t get a strong enough recommendation after the fact. The only current Senator I’ve met is Kaine and it would be wrong for me to say I know him. I know how I’d expect him to be having seen him off camera but I don’t know what a day in his inner circle really is either.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:33:26am

re: #432 Sir John Barron

Why is Whitaker being asked to testify/being subpoenaed?

From a comment on disqus at politicalwire.com

Jan. 22, Nadler sent Whitaker a letter listing questions he plans to ask, including about his talks with Donald Trump before he fired Jeff Sessions and his role supervising Mueller’s Russia investigation. And, importantly, Nadler also asked Whitaker to tell him at least 48 hours before the hearing if he planned to invoke executive privilege in response to any of those questions. Executive privilege refers to the president’s legal right to have private conversations with his staff about his presidential duties. Though the Constitution doesn’t use the term, the Supreme Court has ruled that this right exists.

The Justice Department did not make Nadler’s 48-hour deadline.

Nadler’s little-noticed 48-hour request could be significant. If Whitaker refuses to answer questions without invoking executive privilege, the committee could potentially move to hold him in contempt of Congress and then ask a federal judge to force him to answer their questions. The fact that Nadler has told Whitaker what he plans to ask and has requested notice of any executive-privilege claims means a federal judge may be more likely to side with a potential Democratic effort to compel testimony.”

“The notion that Mr. Whitaker doesn’t know what to expect on Friday is absurd. We have given him months to prepare … If he is still confused … it is because he hasn’t done his homework—not because we haven’t explained it to him

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:34:45am

re: #437 KGxvi

Clinton, Van Hollen, Klobuchar… all of them were attorneys. My experiences that I referenced were also mostly within the context of practicing law. Perhaps that’s the common thread. Lawyers tend to work on different standards are norms (which can often times be damn near toxic), so that might have something to do with it.

I’m reminded of my Chinese history professor. I liked the professor and I think he liked me but he was a strict grader. I passed his class but not with the usual A’s I got in history. Someone could see that and think it was because he was a hard ass but I think I had the maturity to realize he just had high expectations. The attorney I worked for was tough on me but never cruel if I made a mistake but gracious if I went above and beyond. Some people just don’t like that firm but fair approach.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:37:05am

re: #235 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

“We don’t need regulation! The free market will decide!”

[Exchange fails, taking with it millions of investors funds.]

“Why didn’t the Canadian government do something to prevent this!! We’re gonna sue!”

For another example of why libertarianism is total bollocks, look up the Tezos project since its launch in 2017. The Wired account gives a fair assessment of the personalities and philosophies involved, and why the project was almost doomed from the start.

venturebeat.com

wired.com

At its peak, Tezos tokens were trading at $4,000 or so. Now they’re trading around 37 cents. There are at least three class action lawsuits filed by investors.

The wired article was interesting — and included a line that I think explains why none of these libertarian schemes ever truly succeed:

“One of the things that drew the blockchain community together was a commitment to the idea that the whole of human behavior could be interpreted as the pursuit of rational self-interest”

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Belafon  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:39:07am

re: #441 Hecuba’s daughter

The wired article was interesting — and included a line that I think explains why none of these libertarian schemes ever truly succeed:

“One of the things that drew the blockchain community together was a commitment to the idea that the whole of human behavior could be interpreted as the pursuit of rational self-interest”

Which is why they had to build something that theoretically couldn’t be tampered with, rather than just trusting that the other person would act in his/her own self interest.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:40:11am

Woodsmanship:

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:43:58am

A little old school funky times:

Rahsaan Roland Kirk “Freaks for the Festival”

I’m up early for work tomorrow so have fun, Lizards.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:44:16am

re: #443 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Woodsmanship:

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And in a second, no balls

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:45:23am

There probably is some sexism in how Klobuchar is being portrayed but it could also be perception faults. At 18, I probably would have disliked that professor some because I would have felt that I deserved the A but at 23, I was able to understand that it was solid work but not great work by his standard and being am especially a college educator you can create your own standards. In the end, I think that class prepared me well for my final term paper and how I like to think about history.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:46:24am

re: #443 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Stihl gonads.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:49:05am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:53:32am

re: #448 jaunte

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Good.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:53:44am

re: #444 Dr Lizardo

A little old school funky times:

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Video

I’m up early for work tomorrow so have fun, Lizards.

Roland Kirk was a gift from Columbus!

I did some work for a bass player that was fairly well-known in the jazz world as a musicians’ musician and he knew a lot of jazz greats that said at one time Columbus was the home of a lot of jazz musicians because it was half-way between Chicago and New York, had a good Black community that was supportive and had several clubs they could keep their chops tuned in.

Roland Kirk came out of that scene.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:53:49am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:55:39am

re: #448 jaunte

WITCH HUNT!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:55:46am

re: #451 lawhawk

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Noooooo. Loved Frobby.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:56:28am

re: #451 lawhawk

Former manager of the Washington Nationals, among other teams.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:58:14am

re: #454 Sir John Barron

Former manager of the Washington Nationals, among other teams.

The First African American manager ever in the MLB and also the catalyst for two Orioles WS winners. A great leader on and off the field. A sad day for baseball and fans of the teams he played for and managed especially.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 11:58:42am
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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:02:10pm

re: #451 lawhawk

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Awwww. A baseball great.

He was a player-manager with Cleveland in mid/late 70’s. That made him the first Black manager in the majors. If he would have had some decent players at that time, he might have had some success with Cleveland.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:04:18pm

re: #454 Sir John Barron

Former manager of the Washington Nationals, among other teams.

The first Washington Nationals manager, actually.

At least of the Washington Nationals (former Montreal Expos) franchise that started playing in DC in 2005.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:08:14pm

re: #456 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

You Vaxx-rolled us….

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:08:26pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:09:22pm

Robinson now that I think about it probably managed the first baseball game I went to. I don’t remember it because I was young but one year my parents, cousins, & aunts/uncles rented a bus and went to Opening Day. I’m just not sure if it was ‘88, ‘89, or ‘90.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:10:28pm

re: #460 The Vicious Babushka

Uh….

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:10:56pm

re: #440 HappyWarrior

I’m reminded of my Chinese history professor. I liked the professor and I think he liked me but he was a strict grader. I passed his class but not with the usual A’s I got in history. Someone could see that and think it was because he was a hard ass but I think I had the maturity to realize he just had high expectations. The attorney I worked for was tough on me but never cruel if I made a mistake but gracious if I went above and beyond. Some people just don’t like that firm but fair approach.

I don’t have a problem with “firm but fair.” Without going into too much detail, the places I worked were toxic to the point where I walked away from the practice of law for over a year. With one of them, it got to the point where it was effecting my physical health. The two worst ones were also the two with the highest turn over (in one case, I worked there for about 6 months and when I left I had the longest tenure of any former associate for a firm that was like five or six years old at that point).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:11:04pm

re: #457 ObserverArt

Awwww. A baseball great.

He was a player-manager with Cleveland in mid/late 70’s. That made him the first Black manager in the majors. If he would have had some decent players at that time, he might have had some success with Cleveland.

He learned a lot from Earl Weaver and being a basketball teammate of Bill Russell.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:13:03pm

re: #464 HappyWarrior

He learned a lot from Earl Weaver and being a basketball teammate of Bill Russell.

I’m reading that Robinson was/is the only player to win the MVP in both leagues.

That’s really hard to believe. As in, it’s hard to believe no one else has done that.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:14:14pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:15:41pm

Howard Schultz has Please Clap Moment x2 in the same speech.

During a speech at Purdue University on Thursday, Starbucks CEO and possible presidential candidate Howard Schultz implored his audience to clap for him — and reminded Twitter users of another presidential candidate who made almost the exact same gaffe in 2016.

“If I choose to run, I promise, I will absolutely release my tax returns,” Schultz said. There was a silent pause from the audience, at which point the coffee mogul told the crowd, “you can clap now.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:15:48pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

I’m reading that Robinson was/is the only player to win the MVP in both leagues.

That’s really hard to believe. As in, it’s hard to believe no one else has done that.

It is. He’s very underrated imo. Baseball fans know he was great but the public doesn’t know him like they do his contemporaries like Mantle, Mays, or Aaron. He was also a great leader. Anyone who played with can talk about that.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:16:57pm

Damn, this is some righteous anger from Eli Cummings on voting rights:

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:17:39pm

re: #465 Sir John Barron

I’m reading that Robinson was/is the only player to win the MVP in both leagues.

That’s really hard to believe. As in, it’s hard to believe no one else has done that.

Baseball historically hasn’t had a lot of free agent movement. Even into the late 80s, when free agency was supposedly allowed, teams would engage in collusion to prevent players from changing teams (this happened with guys like Andre Dawson and Kirk Gibson). And the way contracts work now, by the time players can typically reach free agency, they’re likely to be on the decline.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:18:02pm

re: #468 HappyWarrior

It is. He’s very underrated imo. Baseball fans know he was great but the public doesn’t know him like they do his contemporaries like Mantle, Mays, or Aaron. He was also a great leader. Anyone who played with can talk about that.

I’m reading that he also hit back to back grand slams in a game. That’s pretty good I think.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:19:09pm

Had a student assault a teacher in the room with me this morning. I grabbed the kid from behind and restrained him until the campus resource officer could arrive…and even then I had to help handcuff the kid since he was fighting so hard he was going to hurt himself.

Now my back hurts like hell and I have to file yet another incident because this is a workplace injury.

This was not my best day.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:19:46pm

re: #472 Scottish Dragon

Had a student assault a teacher in the room with me this morning. I grabbed the kid from behind and restrained him until the campus resource officer could arrive…and even then I had to help handcuff the kid since he was fighting so hard he was going to hurt himself.

Now my back hurts like hell and I have to file yet another incident because this is a workplace injury.

This was not my best day.

Oh, sorry. Scary.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:22:17pm

re: #473 Sir John Barron

Oh, sorry. Scary.

14or 15 years old I would guess and good size kid. All over a damned cell phone that was confiscated. Now he is under arrest and in bad trouble for an 80dollar toy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:24:01pm

re: #470 KGxvi

Baseball historically hasn’t had a lot of free agent movement. Even into the late 80s, when free agency was supposedly allowed, teams would engage in collusion to prevent players from changing teams (this happened with guys like Andre Dawson and Kirk Gibson). And the way contracts work now, by the time players can typically reach free agency, they’re likely to be on the decline.

Trades aren’t new though but yeah there definitely were more team lifers before FA for sure.

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wrenchwench  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:24:22pm

re: #472 Scottish Dragon

{{{Scottish Dragon}}}

I hope your back feels better asap.

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:25:05pm

re: #467 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Howard Schultz has Please Clap Moment x2 in the same speech.

What a fucking putz.

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CongoJack  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:25:07pm

re: #469 Barefoot Grin

Damn, this is some righteous anger from Eli Cummings on voting rights:

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President Cummings?

I’d vote for him in less than a heart beat.

Though he is not one to run - he has his ego in check.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:27:07pm

re: #471 Sir John Barron

I’m reading that he also hit back to back grand slams in a game. That’s pretty good I think.

Two grand slams in a single game is very good. That’s 8 RBIs alone. Record for RBIs in a game total is 12. The man could hit but he was a great leader too. He had Kangaroo courts with the Orioles where he’d wear a mop on his head and give out small fines if guys made mistakes. A little silly but considering that the Orioles went to the World Series four times between 1966-1971, it worked.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:27:43pm

re: #478 CongoJack

President Cummings?

I’d vote for him in less than a heart beat.

Though he is not one to run - he has his ego in check.

Yes, whenever he speaks it’s a “stop what I’m doing and listen” moment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:27:53pm

re: #478 CongoJack

President Cummings?

I’d vote for him in less than a heart beat.

Though he is not one to run - he has his ego in check.

In a different time, he’d easily been elected to the Senate by now but he’s great at what he does.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:28:36pm

Billions and billions of stars

Apod

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:30:36pm

re: #482 Eventual Carrion

That’s not stars, that’s a warp storm approaching…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:31:13pm

re: #456 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I am delighted at the rapidly growing awareness that anti-vaxx is primarily a marketing scam by “Big Woo,” the largely unregulated, multi-billion dollar “alternate health care” and quack medicine industry.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:31:46pm
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CongoJack  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:32:13pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:33:18pm

I gotta crow. (Just a little)

The Dopey far exceeded all my personal expectations.

I did so awesomely well.

And I’m Telling Everybody

(and more pix)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:33:48pm

re: #486 CongoJack

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You want a government built wall on the border. You’re not capitalists. You’re authoritarians who don’t give a fuck about the environment.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:35:17pm

re: #485 goddamnedfrank

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I hate corporate America so much sometimes.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:38:14pm

re: #484 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I am delighted at the rapidly growing awareness that anti-vaxx is primarily a marketing scam by “Big Woo,” the largely unregulated, multi-billion dollar “alternate health care” and quack medicine industry.

a character in the original Hawaii Five-O?

oh wait, that was Wo Fat

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KGxvi  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:40:22pm

re: #488 HappyWarrior

You want a government built wall on the border. You’re not capitalists. You’re authoritarians who don’t give a fuck about the environment.

I hope that part of the Green New Deal, however it plays out, includes things like “government as a market participant” - if the federal government announced tomorrow that by the end of 2029, it’s entire fleet of non-military vehicles (including the postal service) were going to be either electric, fuel cell, or natural gas vehicles instead of gasoline or diesel, that would absolutely spur every automaker into developing cars that would meet those requirements

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:44:10pm

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:44:12pm

re: #486 CongoJack

Socialism. It isn’t what Fox claims it is.

Venezuela is always their go to bogeyman, but never places like all across Europe, where certain goods/services are considered social goods, and that it is a more effective and efficient means of delivery than the private sector.

It’s about prioritization. Right wing shills don’t care about public health or education, and it shows. Health outcomes are better in Europe where there is socialized care/delivery. Single payer or universal coverage, or some combination of the two is better than the system that GOPers are continually foisting on America. Obamacare wasn’t perfect, but it was better than having millions of uncovered people who’d end up going to hospitals as indigent care cases, and it put hospitals out of business and hiked costs to everyone else.

The GOP thinks privatizing medically induced bankruptcies are a good thing. They ignore that a healthy populace is a productive populace.

They go after unions because that strengthens the rights against millionaires who own those businesses and seek to suck every last penny where they can and refuse to share profits when things are going well.

SS/DD.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:45:06pm

re: #482 Eventual Carrion

Billions and billions of stars

Apod

I blew it up and saw a seven-headed golden retriever in there!

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:46:56pm
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Jay C  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:47:18pm

re: #490 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

a character in the original Hawaii Five-O?

oh wait, that was Wo Fat

I think Big Woo was one of his henchmen…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:47:27pm

re: #456 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I was about to let you have it for this before I clicked the link. :P

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:47:31pm

re: #494 Barefoot Grin

My god…. it’s full of stars.

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CongoJack  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:47:55pm

re: #493 lawhawk

Venezuela is a tough example. The reason Hugo Chavez became president (at least according to my South American Politics Professor - who was from Venezuela) was that the uncontrolled capitalism ran amok and befouled everything. Thus the reflex response was to go far to the left (after being too far right). The billionaire class in the country did not like it and fought back. Now it is a propaganda battle between the two sides… and both sides are just awful.

That said - I know nothing about the current opposition leader / “President”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:47:59pm

re: #495 jaunte

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Hypocrisy thy name is GOP

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:49:57pm

re: #500 HappyWarrior

Everyone in the GOP is trying to hide the ball.

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jaunte  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:51:49pm

“Our Emperor totally has the most beautiful clothes and no we won’t let you photograph him wearing them.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:53:29pm
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Jay C  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:57:00pm

re: #503 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What exactly is the “violation” here? Is it illegal for orgs like the NRA to support specific candidates, or is it that the NRA was fronting for foreign (i.e. Russian) money?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:57:31pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:58:34pm

re: #484 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I am delighted at the rapidly growing awareness that anti-vaxx is primarily a marketing scam by “Big Woo,” the largely unregulated, multi-billion dollar “alternate health care” and quack medicine industry.

Washington State currently is in the midst of a measles outbreak

The anti-vax crowd is going to get a lot of kids killed.

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lawhawk  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:58:42pm

re: #504 Jay C

What exactly is the “violation” here? Is it illegal for orgs like the NRA to support specific candidates, or is it that the NRA was fronting for foreign (i.e. Russian) money?

It goes to money laundering, campaign finance violations, and skirting the existing rules.

It goes to coordinating between a campaign and an outside lobbying group.

All of the above are violations of federal law.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 12:59:57pm

re: #505 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You know if you were smart as you think you and your Dad are, you’d be quiet.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:01:30pm

Low marginal tax rates have led to a kind of fungal infection among the wealthiest Americans, the phenomenon of stupid billionaires, to say nothing of the lower level hinterland fatcats who make up the heart and soul of the Republican Party. 60 years ago, the wealthiest Americans had all kinds of personal and social shortcomings but they were neither short-sighted nor stupid, President Eisenhower’s characterization of the Hunt clan notwithstanding. With tax rates up to 92%, you couldn’t hang onto a big pile if you weren’t pretty sharp. It was a ruthless form of evolution, and it was done by design.

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ObserverArt  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:02:09pm

Just turned on MSNBC to watch Nicole’s show and they have a little message in the corner of the screen saying Alexandria O-C will be live at 5 PM with…Chuck Todd.

I might watch Chuck for this just to see what blockheaded questions he will ask and how she will answer him.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:02:32pm

I made a thing

(Warhammer 40k reference)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:05:14pm

re: #502 jaunte

“Our Emperor totally has the most beautiful clothes and no we won’t let you photograph him wearing them.”

“You won’t take our word for it that the Emperor has Many and Beautiful clothes? You’re harassing the Emperor.”

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TedStriker  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:06:10pm

re: #507 lawhawk

It goes to money laundering, campaign finance violations, and skirting the existing rules.

It goes to coordinating between a campaign and an outside lobbying group.

All of the above are violations of federal law.

A lot of that also runs afoul of the NRA’s 501(c)(4) (tax-exempt social welfare organization) status, too.

The promotion of social welfare does not include direct or indirect participation or intervention in political campaigns on behalf of or in opposition to any candidate for public office. However, a section 501(c)(4) social welfare organization may engage in some political activities, so long as that is not its primary activity. However, any expenditure it makes for political activities may be subject to tax under section 527(f).

irs.gov

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:06:51pm

re: #509 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Right, like seriously: Imagine having so much money that you STRUGGLE TO FIND WAYS TO SPEND IT.

That’s basically where the American super wealthy are right now. That’s why they have ridiculous numbers of vacation homes, yachts and private planes. It’s why they can afford mansions in three different states. It’s why they can have a ginormous wardrobe in every one of those mansions full of clothes they barely wear. It’s why they can jet off on a month long vacation any time they want to. The list goes on and on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:09:20pm

re: #514 Eclectic Cyborg

Right, like seriously: Imagine having so much money that you STRUGGLE TO FIND WAYS TO SPEND IT.

That’s basically where the American super wealthy are right now. That’s why they have ridiculous numbers of vacation homes, yachts and private planes. It’s why they can afford mansions in three different states. It’s why they can have a ginormous wardrobe in every one of those mansions full of clothes they barely wear. It’s why they can jet off on a month long vacation any time they want to. The list goes on and on.

And honestly that’s why they should be the last people to receive tax cuts. The people who should be targeted for tax cuts should be the people who percentage wise will be reinvesting back into the ecoomy.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:13:16pm

re: #497 Eclectic Cyborg

I was about to let you have it for this before I clicked the link. :P

See 458 :-)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:20:08pm

re: #493 lawhawk

Socialism. It isn’t what Fox claims it is.

Venezuela is always their go to bogeyman, but never places like all across Europe, where certain goods/services are considered social goods, and that it is a more effective and efficient means of delivery than the private sector.

It’s about prioritization. Right wing shills don’t care about public health or education, and it shows. Health outcomes are better in Europe where there is socialized care/delivery. Single payer or universal coverage, or some combination of the two is better than the system that GOPers are continually foisting on America. Obamacare wasn’t perfect, but it was better than having millions of uncovered people who’d end up going to hospitals as indigent care cases, and it put hospitals out of business and hiked costs to everyone else.

The GOP thinks privatizing medically induced bankruptcies are a good thing. They ignore that a healthy populace is a productive populace.

They go after unions because that strengthens the rights against millionaires who own those businesses and seek to suck every last penny where they can and refuse to share profits when things are going well.

SS/DD.

all insurance is socialist because all insurance is transfer payments.

It’s either a timing difference if you have a claim or else it’s transferred to someone else.

it doesn’t matter whether it’s the state (socialism technically) or a corporate bureaucracy making the decisions (contractually).

the biggest problems with health care coverage in this country are
- the tax driven link to employment
- no solution that attacks the issues of bad incentives and the customer being insulated from the cost of what he is demanding
- no discussion of separating serious/catastrophic coverage from more day to day, ordinary stuff

oh, and lack of knowledge and honesty in any discussion about solutions

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:21:54pm

re: #495 jaunte

…if Democrats or any party can abuse their power to rummage through the tax returns of the president, what will stop them from abusing that power in the future frankly to target any individual American that they see as a political enemy?”

if republican operatives can rummage through someone’s history from 30 years back and use that information to….oh why bother

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Old Liberal  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:22:45pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

After reading that article I’m gonna say there is some political BS involved.

I get the feeling there is some “bash-the-strong-woman” because she is demanding and women should be nice.

Sounds like the unnamed claimants have a problem with a woman that holds them accountable.

I’ll give this one time to work out. If she is as bad as the claims there will be others backing it up. If others come to her defense, then I think it is political…maybe someone that doesn’t want to see her rise to a presidential run and are trying to harpoon it.

Did you ever work for the daughter of an alcoholic? I did. Not good. Tons of issues and misdirected rage. Can’t speak to sons of alcoholics as I didn’t experience that variation

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:24:59pm

re: #509 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Low marginal tax rates have led to a kind of fungal infection among the wealthiest Americans, the phenomenon of stupid billionaires, to say nothing of the lower level hinterland fatcats who make up the heart and soul of the Republican Party. 60 years ago, the wealthiest Americans had all kinds of personal and social shortcomings but they were neither short-sighted nor stupid, President Eisenhower’s characterization of the Hunt clan notwithstanding. With tax rates up to 92%, you couldn’t hang onto a big pile if you weren’t pretty sharp. It was a ruthless form of evolution, and it was done by design.

and in fact if you lived in a high taxed state, i believe your marginal rate could have been over 100%

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Sir John Barron  Feb 7, 2019 • 1:25:47pm

re: #518 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

if republican operatives can rummage through someone’s history from 30 years back and use that information to….oh why bother

“If you have to report your income to the government, what’s to stop the government from targeting it’s enemies….”

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:04:03pm

re: #376 sagehen

Because we live in a country with so many shitty voters?

Part of it, we also have people who ensure that we have a shitty electoral system that puts the Will of the Party above the will of the people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:06:45pm

re: #409 Joe Bacon 🌹

That doesn’t matter because there was a lot of RACIST shhhaaavvviiinnnngggg cream in my high school yearbooks which is why I NEVER cooperated or bought them. And they did retaliate by not including my picture.

FWIW, I never bothered to pose for my HS yearbook photos either

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:11:28pm

re: #501 jaunte

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Everyone in the GOP is trying to hide the ball.

You mean the entire party only has one ball?

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 7, 2019 • 2:57:22pm

re: #463 KGxvi

Without going into too much detail, the places I worked were toxic to the point where I walked away from the practice of law for over a year. With one of them, it got to the point where it was effecting my physical health.

IMHO it is the profession in general, with exceptions. I’m a Michigan Law grad who worked for three years after law school and hated it. My wife got pregnant, her Masters degree, and a great job offer all at the same time. So I quit to be Mr. Mom for three kids over 8.5 years until our youngest went to kindergarten.

When I told my firm I was leaving, they asked me to stay on for four more months and offered a two-year extension on my family’s medical insurance. I did that. And while I was doing it I used my former anthropology training and informally interviewed at least 100 attorneys, judges, secretaries, law clerks, paralegals, you name it.

At the end I could not consider one person out of the lot as someone who was truly happy with their life in the legal field. Not one.


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