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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:50:26am

This is a good thing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:50:28am

That was a really good take down. Think what she’ll be able to do after she gets more experience with this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:54:50am

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

That was a really good take down. Think what she’ll be able to do after she gets more experience with this.

And think of the lengths they will have to go to in order to keep smearing her and running her down.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:58:02am
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:58:07am

Okay, so now can we talk about the OTHER elephant in the room? i.e. how willing people are to attribute antisemitic intent to a Muslim.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:58:58am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

This is a good thing.

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She handled this well. Props

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:59:15am

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so now can we talk about the OTHER elephant in the room? i.e. how willing people are to attribute antisemitic intent to a Muslim.

Yes. Agree.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 11:59:48am
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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:00:37pm

The new crop of Congressmembers are far more savvy than the ones they’re replacing. They’re more interesting in cleaning out the corruption and exposing it and all the deep ties between industry and Congress (the lobbyists, the PACs, and the money that flows to members and then the members decide to go into the lobbying business to accelerate their own wealth).

They’re going to take hits - from lobbyists and PACs and people who don’t want light shed on this.

They’re going to make missteps. It is natural that it happens.

They will learn, and they’re getting OJT that is invaluable down the road.

Would I wish that Rep. Omar hadn’t made anti-Semitic statements? Yup. Indisputably yes.

She also apologized.

I’m still waiting for Trump, Trump Jr., and others in Trumpworld to apologize for equating goddamned Nazis with the people protesting them. I’m still waiting for the apologies for the blood libel slurs against George Soros. We’re still waiting for the calls for them to resign from the GOP.

That’s the difference. That’s the difference that Democrats have to show everyone as we head into another election season when the GOP are held to a different standard and their abuse, bigotry, and hate are ignored or excused by a media that looks to balance it with issues among Democrats where the Democrats are already looking to clean up from within.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:02:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:03:33pm

re: #10 jaunte

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You can blame Muslims for the Holocaust and be okay.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:03:49pm

re: #4 jaunte

.@RepEscobar & other El Paso electeds now holding presser on Trump visit. “The El Paso community stands 100% unified against the misinformation lies the president has put out,” Escobar says. “As personal and insulting as it was, we welcome him” if he truly wants to understand border.

the president is deliberate
…sooooo close

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:06:07pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:09:38pm

She can say things with a conviction that cannot just be brushed off with a simple “But her e-mails!”

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:14:40pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

You can blame Muslims for the Holocaust and be okay.

You can make up blood libels about Muslims and cry “Anti-Semitism!!!” when Twitter bans your ass. (Laura Loomer)

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:18:36pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:19:27pm

re: #8 jaunte

Now it’s at the Senate. GOP is calling getting money out of politics a “power grab.”

and making it easier for citizens to vote is also a “power grab”, all but an admission that voter suppression is a major part of GOP electoral strategy.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:20:01pm

OTOH, referencing Benjamin Franklin, right out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:21:43pm

re: #15 The Vicious Babushka

You can make up blood libels about Muslims and cry “Anti-Semitism!!!” when Twitter bans your ass. (Laura Loomer)

Yep.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:26:42pm

re: #17 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and making it easier for citizens to vote is also a “power grab”, all but an admission that voter suppression is a major part of GOP electoral strategy.

Power grab by citizens who are not wealthy but are in the majority. Let’s be honest here; the Republicans want voting to be one dollar, one vote. So the number of votes you are accorded depends on your wealth. It’s just like publicly traded companies — one vote per share and if you have no shares, you have no votes. This is why they want the country to be run like a business — where only the wealthiest have any real say.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:28:27pm

re: #8 jaunte

This is what all Democrats should be doing. Pass progressive bills and then publicize that these bills are dying in the Republican-controlled Senate. Put the pressure on Republicans to pass good legislation and stop letting them off the hook.

AOC is such a breath of fresh air.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:31:06pm

re: #10 jaunte

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That doesn’t make it right for her to make comments which can be construed as anti-Semitic. I hope she’s learned a lesson and is cautious about what she says and tweets about.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:32:59pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I may be out of the loop on what is and is not anti-semitic, but she wasn’t far off. AIPAC lobbies on behalf of Israel to get the government to act in favor of Israel, this includes fundraising, donations etc. Same goes for any other PAC and as we’ve seen money talks and there are plenty of politicians who are bought and paid for by plenty of PACs. I think republicans are more “pro-Israel” because their base is “pro-Israel” and the reason their base is “pro-israel” is because of “prophecies” that require Israel to exist so it can be destroyed all over again.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:41:55pm

re: #16 lawhawk

DAFUQ?!?!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:42:59pm

re: #22 Patricia Kayden

That doesn’t make it right for her to make comments which can be construed as anti-Semitic. I hope she’s learned a lesson and is cautious about what she says and tweets about.

The problem I have is this: Why did people assume that her statement was anti-semitic?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:43:25pm

jeebus

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:43:41pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:44:07pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

and pathetic

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So pathetic

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:45:49pm

re: #27 Backwoods_Sleuth

and pathetic

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Rasmussen?

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:46:08pm

I think I’m going to repost this frequently

Women of Congress - SNL

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:46:48pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

More like 66 years, with the first 26 years of that pain being courtesy of a US-backed coup vs. a democratically elected Iranian leader.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:47:49pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

More like 66 years, with the first 26 years of that pain being courtesy of a US-backed coup vs. a democratically elected Iranian leader.

Yep but more propaganda to act like Iran was a democratic paradise before the Islamic Republic was established. Yay.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:47:51pm

And, as VB pointed out yesterday, it was mainly liberal groups that jumped onto her. Are they worried about her making anti-semitic statements and are preemptively jumping to criticize her? Why?

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:49:00pm

re: #26 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

He speaks Arabic now? I would screenshot it, but I couldn’t share it. The entire tweet except for his name is in Arabic here.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:51:04pm

re: #34 Belafon

He speaks Arabic now? I would screenshot it, but I couldn’t share it. The entire tweet except for his name is in Arabic here.

MBS did the “translation”. Which may or may not say the same thing as the English version.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:52:03pm

re: #25 Belafon

because she criticized the sway she thinks Israel holds over our policies towards Palestine vis a vis money? I honestly don’t get the uproar over this, maybe I am missing something?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:52:16pm

re: #34 Belafon

He speaks Arabic now? I would screenshot it, but I couldn’t share it. The entire tweet except for his name is in Arabic here.

supposedly the English version:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:54:01pm

re: #36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

because she criticized the sway she thinks Israel holds over our policies towards Palestine vis a vis money? I honestly don’t get the uproar over this, maybe I am missing something?

From the outside looking in (not Jewish here) but there’s been a long history of stereotyping Jews and money. I honestly don’t think Omar meant it this way at all and I think her apology bears fruit of that. I don’t know though. It is unfortunate that Anti-Semitism I think is way too often thrown out critics of Israel and Israeli policy.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:54:19pm

re: #34 Belafon

He speaks Arabic now? I would screenshot it, but I couldn’t share it. The entire tweet except for his name is in Arabic here.

Farsi. That would be Farsi not Arabic.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:54:32pm

re: #37 Backwoods_Sleuth

supposedly the English version:

Thanks. It would end much sooner, Trump, if US presidents stop sounding like you do.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:55:41pm

re: #36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

because she criticized the sway she thinks Israel holds over our policies towards Palestine vis a vis money? I honestly don’t get the uproar over this, maybe I am missing something?

Except Israel’s “sway” over Congress has little if anything to do with AIPAC lobbying or donations. It’s because the End Times evangelicals are a huge voting bloc. (and also, because Israel’s medical and tech R&D is pretty damn awesome and useful. and because Israel’s intel about Al Qaeda, ISIS and other Islamic terror organizations is miles beyond what we could do ourselves).

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:55:52pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Farsi. That would be Farsi not Arabic.

You are correct. I couldn’t make out where it came from and don’t know enough to look at them and tell which is which. All I saw is curves and new it was some Middle-Eastern-type language.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:56:01pm

re: #33 Belafon

And, as VB pointed out yesterday, it was mainly liberal groups that jumped onto her. Are they worried about her making anti-semitic statements and are preemptively jumping to criticize her? Why?

It was more than liberal groups.

I posted a couple articles from Newsweek on the last thread a few minutes before this one was created. You might want to check those out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:56:40pm

So, there was a link to the Wikipedia page for “Antisemitic Canards”, and knowing the French for duck, I thought of….

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:57:02pm

re: #42 Belafon

You are correct. I couldn’t make out where it came from and don’t know enough to look at them and tell which is which. All I saw is curves and new it was some Middle-Eastern-type language.

Not a problem. I can’t speak either Arabic or Farsi but I know the script difference a little since I’ve looked over Iranian documents before.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:57:14pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

From the outside looking in (not Jewish here) but there’s been a long history of stereotyping Jews and money. I honestly don’t think Omar meant it this way at all and I think her apology bears fruit of that. I don’t know though. It is unfortunate that Anti-Semitism I think is way too often thrown out critics of Israel and Israeli policy.

I agree that it could be “seen” that way and people like David Duke say it out right. I don’t think she “meant” it that way but people did take it that way. It is unfortunate that being critical of Israel and Israeli policy is seen as anti-semitic but I also believe that the leadership of Israel (Netanyahu) and the right wing in Israel like it that way. Criticize their bombing campaigns? Anti-semitic. Criticize civilian killings? Anti-Semitic. And yeah I would be just as critical of Palestinians trying to say I was anti-palestinian if I criticized their suicide bombers etc.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:57:34pm

re: #41 sagehen

And Israeli companies will spy on you if you dig too much:

(from the previous thread: littlegreenfootballs.com )

Edited

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 12:59:37pm

re: #46 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I agree that it could be “seen” that way and people like David Duke say it out right. I don’t think she “meant” it that way but people did take it that way. It is unfortunate that being critical of Israel and Israeli policy is seen as anti-semitic but I also believe that the leadership of Israel (Netanyahu) and the right wing in Israel like it that way. Criticize their bombing campaigns? Anti-semitic. Criticize civilian killings? Anti-Semitic. And yeah I would be just as critical of Palestinians trying to say I was anti-palestinian if I criticized their suicide bombers etc.

I agree 100% especially about Netanyahu and the Israeli right. It will be a good day for Israel and the peace process IMO when Bibi finally goes.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:01:24pm

re: #41 sagehen

Except Israel’s “sway” over Congress has little if anything to do with AIPAC lobbying or donations. It’s because the End Times evangelicals are a huge voting bloc. (and also, because Israel’s medical and tech R&D is pretty damn awesome and useful. and because Israel’s intel about Al Qaeda, ISIS and other Islamic terror organizations is miles beyond what we could do ourselves).

See my first response to Charles on this thread. I cover the End Times kooks as being an outsized influence. Yes their medical and tech R&D is good and useful and their intel has been helpful as well. I still think it’s more lobbying influence and base influence in the end, at least domestically here.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:01:49pm

re: #46 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I agree that it could be “seen” that way and people like David Duke say it out right. I don’t think she “meant” it that way but people did take it that way. It is unfortunate that being critical of Israel and Israeli policy is seen as anti-semitic but I also believe that the leadership of Israel (Netanyahu) and the right wing in Israel like it that way. Criticize their bombing campaigns? Anti-semitic. Criticize civilian killings? Anti-Semitic. And yeah I would be just as critical of Palestinians trying to say I was anti-palestinian if I criticized their suicide bombers etc.

The problems is all she posted in the tweet that got her in trouble was a reference to money that also contained the word “Benjamins” and the Israeli Prime Minister is named Benjamin.

It left very little room for interpretations other than what occurred.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:03:16pm

It’s pretty obvious Israel is a touchy topic, considering the way we’re treating it here. And I totally understand the history involved. We just have to make sure it doesn’t get turned into a taboo subject.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:03:59pm

re: #51 Belafon

It’s pretty obvious Israel is a touchy topic, considering the way we’re treating it here. And I totally understand the history involved. We just have to make sure it doesn’t get turned into a taboo subject.

I wish it could be discussed better. Because I think it’s a lot more nuanced than most people think it is.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:04:15pm

re: #44 Blind Frog Belly White

So, you found the book that Trump kept on his nightstand?

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:05:07pm

My continued position here is that, in particular, the problem isn’t Israel, persay. The problem is Likud. Unfortunately, the compounding problem is that Likud has a general stranglehold on the almighty narrative in the same way the GOP has here, thus they get to generally define what ‘America/Israel’ is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:05:58pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:06:06pm
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sagehen  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:06:39pm

Myanmar’s human rights record is exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they get less than 1/10 the criticism. Half the African countries, half the Central American countries, and several Asian countries, have human rights records that are exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they also get less than 1/10 the criticism.

There’s a pretty extreme double standard at play in what inspires criticism of the world’s only Jewish regime.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:06:49pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

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By take action, he means give the Saudi royals a big wet one.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:06:50pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

The problems is all she posted in the tweet that got her in trouble was a reference to money that also contained the word “Benjamins” and the Israeli Prime Minister is named Benjamin.

It left very little room for interpretations other than what occurred.

It took me a good few minutes to figure out why people were getting worked up over a 15 year old title that has been turned into slang. There was plenty of room to see it a different way.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:08:03pm

re: #57 sagehen

Myanmar’s human rights record is exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they get less than 1/10 the criticism. Half the African countries, half the Central American countries, and several Asian countries, have human rights records that are exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they also get less than 1/10 the criticism.

There’s a pretty extreme double standard at play in what inspires criticism of the world’s only Jewish regime.

Agree with that too. I do think if I may though part of what makes people focus on Israel is they are democratic and they are the US’s top ally in that region. I think that probably plays a role too but I definitely understand that point you’re making as well.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:08:28pm

re: #20 Hecuba’s daughter

Power grab by citizens who are not wealthy but are in the majority. Let’s be honest here; the Republicans want voting to be one dollar, one vote. So the number of votes you are accorded depends on your wealth. It’s just like publicly traded companies — one vote per share and if you have no shares, you have no votes. This is why they want the country to be run like a business — where only the wealthiest have any real say.

more like one million dollars one vote, those with less get no voice

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:08:31pm

re: #3 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And think of the lengths they will have to go to in order to keep smearing her and running her down.

Her office made a rookie mistake when it posted a draft FAQ with points which contradicted the GND resolution, but for the most part AOC has been a force of nature in just a few short weeks in Congress. She is going to be a person to reckon with for decades to come.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:09:22pm

re: #50 ObserverArt

The problems is all she posted in the tweet that got her in trouble was a reference to money that also contained the word “Benjamins” and the Israeli Prime Minister is named Benjamin.

It left very little room for interpretations other than what occurred.

And I read that as being all about the money. I mean c’mon being all about the Benjamins has been around forever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:09:36pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:09:41pm

re: #31 EPR-radar

More like 66 years, with the first 26 years of that pain being courtesy of a US-backed coup vs. a democratically elected Iranian leader.

The fact that the current Iranian regime is the legacy of a CIA-led “regime change” back in the 50’s is just irrelevant ancient history to these people

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:10:30pm

re: #62 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Her office made a rookie mistake when it posted a draft FAQ with points which contradicted the GND resolution, but for the most part AOC has been a force of nature in just a few short weeks in Congress. She is going to be a person to reckon with for decades to come.

And, while I could see her as a future Senator, she needs a place where she can take on people. So no one push for her to become president in 15 years.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:11:04pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And I read that as being all about the money. I mean c’mon being all about the Benjamins has been around forever.

Yeah I’ve been hearing Benjamins as slang for money (usually a good amount of money) for a long time.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:11:52pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:12:27pm

re: #66 Belafon

And, while I could see her as a future Senator, she needs a place where she can take on people. So no one push for her to become president in 15 years.

I think people way way too excited and I admit I’ve been guilty of it too. I think she should chair an important subcommittee or committee before she even thinks about the Presidency or even the Senate. She’s got a bright future. Let’s be excited about that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:12:42pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Suck it up, Mitch

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:13:02pm

re: #49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Israel’s relationship with the US has loaded connotations.

There’s the religious aspects. Christian fundamentalists since 1967 have backed a strong Israel in part of the fundamentalist hope of seeing the End Times and Apocalypse and the Rapture. They need Israel exist to fulfill their religious beliefs. Israel, for their part, have sought support wherever they could get it because it’s historically been in short supply and Israeli security is always on a knife’s edge due to being significantly outnumbered by its Arab neighbors.

This has strained relations with American Jewry that has warned of this relationship and beliefs undermining Israel’s long term safety, since it can push Israel to doing things that would actually undermine their security.

Israeli technology has been an outgrowth of the need to stay ahead of Israel’s enemies and rivals, and global companies have come to rely on Israel for tech and biomed development on everything from AI to texting/messaging to using GPS data and traffic (Waze) and pharma developments (Teva). There’s chip development (Motorola, Intel) and all kinds of companies have R&D in Israel. Israeli universities like Technion even have partnerships with American universities (Cornell) and have a campus here in NYC metro.

The Israelis have plugged in to the Internet and are integral to quite a bit of development work.

AIPAC is often seen as the bellweather for American Jewish support of Israel, and it’s the job of the PAC to make sure that Israel retains strong support among Americans.

GOPers have long tried to make inroads into the historical support for Israel among Democrats and to try and get them voting for the GOP. We saw that in earnest with Trump in 2016. They’ll be at it again in 2020. Just watch.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:13:13pm

re: #34 Belafon

He speaks Arabic now? I would screenshot it, but I couldn’t share it. The entire tweet except for his name is in Arabic here.

The alphabet is Arabic but the language is Persian (Farsi).

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:13:23pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Suck it up, Mitch

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I really want bad things to happen to that asshole. A giant sore on the asshole would be a great starter.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:15:57pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:16:45pm

I’m learning Spanish on Duolingo. Sadly, they don’t offer Arabic, even though they offer Chinese and Japanese.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:17:21pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

From the outside looking in (not Jewish here) but there’s been a long history of stereotyping Jews and money. I honestly don’t think Omar meant it this way at all and I think her apology bears fruit of that. I don’t know though. It is unfortunate that Anti-Semitism I think is way too often thrown out critics of Israel and Israeli policy.

Now if you want to see a blatantly anti-semitic attack on Jewish money:

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:18:28pm

re: #74 Patricia Kayden

I know we’re all worried about other people helping Trump win, but I just don’t see Schultz doing it. I think he’ll give rich people a place to go and no one else. It’s the populists that are more likely to hurt the Democrat.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:18:37pm

re: #76 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Now if you want to see a blatantly anti-semitic attack on Jewish money:

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Absolutely.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:19:17pm

re: #57 sagehen

Myanmar’s human rights record is exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they get less than 1/10 the criticism. Half the African countries, half the Central American countries, and several Asian countries, have human rights records that are exponentially worse than Israel’s, but they also get less than 1/10 the criticism.

There’s a pretty extreme double standard at play in what inspires criticism of the world’s only Jewish regime.

Myanmar isn’t the root of the tree of three religions. Israel is the spiritual home to Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. All can trace their existence and key events to the same few square miles (and that’s literally true - the Old City of Jerusalem is a few square miles).

Israel occupies an outsized fascination in the media and reporting, and there is a double standard where Israeli misconduct is treated far worse than say China’s mistreatment. Decades of war/conflict with the Palestinians doesn’t help nor does decades of mistrust, propaganda, and a failure of leaders to make the hard decisions to seek peace - or carry through on it.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:20:43pm

re: #29 Blind Frog Belly White

Rasmussen?

Bet youRass.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:20:48pm

re: #66 Belafon

And, while I could see her as a future Senator, she needs a place where she can take on people. So no one push for her to become president in 15 years.

15 years? There is going to be an AOC groundswell in eight years.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:20:56pm

Personally, I think Rep. Omar tried to do an AOC “New party, who dis?”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:22:36pm

re: #78 HappyWarrior

Absolutely.

So when did McCarthy apologize for this? Half past never?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:23:01pm

re: #53 lawhawk

So, you found the book that Trump kept on his nightstand?

It wasn’t Mein Kampf but rather a book of Hitler’s collected speeches, ‘My New Order.’ I wonder if anyone has compared those speeches with Trump’s.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:24:26pm

re: #83 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So when did McCarthy apologize for this? Half past never?

I don’t even think he was asked to. It’s a crap standard.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:24:26pm

re: #71 lawhawk

Like I said, I knew a lot about the first part and the tech part doesn’t surprise me in the least. Heck it was an Israeli company who made one of the first IM clients (ICQ), I remember it, I had it. Waze was also developed by Israel. I know the relationship is tricky, I just think the religious side is what holds more sway in this country at a domestic level. There’s also the fact we are Israel’s biggest arms supplier and have a lot of economic entanglements. That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t be able to criticize the country.

It’s one thing to say “I think the state of Israel holds undue influence over this country and it’s politicians through campaign contributions (ie all about the benjamins)” and saying “Those manipulative jews buy and sell politicians every day to further their zionist new world order”.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:24:28pm

Trump has set the new standard (none) for avoiding conflicts of interest.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:25:58pm

On funding Trump’s wall, the House spending bill should include the sentence “All money used on the wall shall be pulled from the president’s travel budget.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:26:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:27:51pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Pfft what do they know? Fox sand Friends knows all we need to know about the border and will tell Trump.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:28:40pm

re: #79 lawhawk

There’s also the fact that people look at it differently when leaders are oppressing their own people, which is in no way right. Israel is seen as oppressing another group of people (the palestinians) not something along the lines of Myanmar or some other countries that attack their own people, or minorities of their own people. I think all of them are terrible, no two ways about it. I even think some of the stuff this country has done is absolutely reprehensible.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:29:06pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

Damn liberals.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:31:19pm

re: #79 lawhawk

Israel occupies an outsized fascination in the media and reporting, and there is a double standard where Israeli misconduct is treated far worse than say China’s mistreatment. Decades of war/conflict with the Palestinians doesn’t help nor does decades of mistrust, propaganda, and a failure of leaders to make the hard decisions to seek peace - or carry through on it.

Given that we fund some Israeli actions not everyone likes but not similar Chinese actions, it’s just not the same. When you pay for it you are more responsible for it. I actually find the Israeli/Chinese comparison strange. 🤔

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:33:45pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And I read that as being all about the money. I mean c’mon being all about the Benjamins has been around forever.

Same here, except at my income level its all about the Washingtons.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:34:06pm

SPLC Weekend Read: It’s not going well for Gab.

We just reported that the social media platform adopted by the racist “alt-right” is embroiled in chaos.

This is the same site where white supremacist Robert Bowers posted antisemitic conspiracy theories before he was charged with murdering 11 Jews in a Pittsburgh synagogue in October — and where another pair of users were accused the very next month of plotting their own attack.

Payment processors and web-hosting companies that work with Gab cut ties with the platform. It was a huge blow.

Gab reported “a 90% decline in payments for our subscription services,” according to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) filings it submitted in December. Since its launch in August 2016, the site has lost more than $350,000.

But Gab was still limping along until our Hatewatch investigation went public at the end of January.

We found that Gab’s founder, Andrew Torba, might be in trouble with the SEC; that Gab’s crowdfunding page is heavily promoting a feature it hasn’t actually had since the summer of 2018; and that the platform appears to be wildly inflating its user count.

To reach Gab’s reported number of 835,000 “persons,” or users, for example, it would have had to gain thousands of new users every day in November and December. That’s unlikely.

“We reached out for an analysis of the number of active users of Gab — accounts who actually logged in and posted content to the site over a span of a week in January — and received a number that was below 20,000 unique users,” Intelligence Project Director Heidi Beirich told The Daily Beast. “That would be a massive difference in community size from what the company is advertising to the public and government regulators.”

In the days following our report, Gab locked, then unlocked its Twitter account. It announced it would no longer be supporting an Android app (its only option after Apple rejected the app outright). It went offline. It came back online only to lock down its member registration; the site is now either invite-only, or is canceling services entirely, depending on who’s asking.

Gab advertises itself as a “free speech” alternative to Twitter or Facebook, but it would be more accurate to call it what it is: a haven for dangerous white supremacists. Racist memes, “white genocide” conspiracy theories, and conversations about violence typify the kind of hate speech that litters the platform.

We’re proud of our role in Gab’s decline. We’re continuing to monitor the platform — and other sites like it — as well as the role that the internet at large is playing in the radicalization of people like Robert Bowers, Dylann Roof and other extremists.

We’re working hard to expose hate, and we’re proud to have you with us in this fight.

The Editors

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:35:00pm

re: #25 Belafon

The problem I have is this: Why did people assume that her statement was anti-semitic?

let’s them deflect from the accuracy of the issue

money is policy is money is policy is money….

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:38:10pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:38:16pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:39:18pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And I read that as being all about the money. I mean c’mon being all about the Benjamins has been around forever.

that’s the only way i took it

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:40:30pm
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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:40:40pm

re: #97 jaunte

Well, there are plenty of fears that people that participated in that photo might be wishing for a violent act by an immigrant so that they can use it to justify their actions.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:41:14pm

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The fact that the current Iranian regime is the legacy of a CIA-led “regime change” back in the 50’s is just irrelevant ancient history to these people

it’s before roughly half (?) the people in this country were born so yeah all three
irrelevant
ancient
history

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:42:38pm

re: #100 jaunte

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He’s such a small person. What does anyone see in this empty pompous sack?

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EPR-radar  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:42:51pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Suck it up, Mitch

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I don’t know why Congressional Republicans are bitching about a statutory cap on detainees. It’s not like the Trump administration is following any other laws.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:43:03pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell accuses Democrats of adding a “poison pill demand” in border security negotiations: “It’s really extreme — a hard statutory cap on the number of illegal immigrants who could be detained by the federal government”

Because they cannot trace the children they detained, separated from their parents and lost.

Don’t steal more than you can swim away with, lads, or you will sink…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:43:16pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Suck it up, Mitch

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell accuses Democrats of adding a “poison pill demand” in border security negotiations: “It’s really extreme — a hard statutory cap on the number of illegal immigrants who could be detained by the federal government”

serious question here mitch

considering a lot of the detention facilities are for profit

does supply (the # of beds) drive demand (to fill them)?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:43:29pm

re: #96 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

let’s them deflect from the accuracy of the issue

money is policy is money is policy is money….

re: #99 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

that’s the only way i took it

It might have been innocent, might have been a subconscious association, might have been a too-clever reach for deniability.

In any case. it’s not the way the game is played in The Majors.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:43:39pm

The president* has “Line Envy”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:44:22pm

re: #89 Backwoods_Sleuth

El Paso County passes a resolution saying it is “disillusioned by President Trump’s lies regarding the border and our community,” citing past false statements and the likelihood of new ones at rally tonight.

Deep State lies funded by Soros…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:44:43pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:45:13pm

re: #108 jaunte

The president* has “Line Envy”

Size matters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:45:29pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:46:05pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Biggest Inauguration Crowd Evah. Period!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:46:31pm

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

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my question, too…

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:47:17pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dog dominance.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:47:40pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

my question, too…

Remember Trump/Pence?

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:47:46pm

re: #51 Belafon

It’s pretty obvious Israel is a touchy topic, considering the way we’re treating it here. And I totally understand the history involved. We just have to make sure it doesn’t get turned into a taboo subject.

Is it any more touchy than racism aimed at Blacks and discussing or actual using the “N” word?

We lost a lot of good contributors here at LGF over a comment some time back that dealt with that very subject.

And that one still disturbs me, but I cannot find the way to express what about it disturbs me that won’t cause even more issues.

I think that is the point we are at with much of these discussions. People don’t really want to talk it out. In ways they want to shout it out and everyone take to their corners where they will stay.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:47:48pm

re: #114 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why is the Trump stick figure humping the words?

my question, too…

They let you do that when you’re a star.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:48:24pm

Sharia law complete with MAGA hat…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:48:53pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

It might have been innocent, might have been a subconscious association, might have been a too-clever reach for deniability.

In any case. it’s not the way the game is played in The Majors.

nope
politics aint beanbag

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:49:06pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sharia law complete with MAGA hat…

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Har har so funny.

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A Three Hour Tour  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:49:18pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve been hearing Benjamins as slang for money (usually a good amount of money) for a long time.

I’m wondering if there may be an age thing at play, with younger Lizards more willing to interpret the “All About the Benjamins, Baby” in context as a pop-culture reference to a popular song about money, and older Lizards interpreting the tweet as an antisemitic dogwhistle from a mostly unknown, newly elected Congressperson who happens to be Muslim, based on the coincidence of Netanyahu and the guy on the hundred dollar bill sharing a first name.

Largely innocent blunder or plausibly deniable undercover antisemitism? There’s no real way of knowing unless and until a pattern establishes itself.

That said, displays and acts of antisemitism are on the rise, domestically and overseas. A heightened degree of sensitivity is understandable and advisable.

Representative Omar has apologized publicly and appears to be treating this as a learning experience.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:49:49pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sharia law complete with MAGA hat…

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Is that a necktie or a Papuan penis sheath?

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Mike Lamb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:49:54pm

Feels like Trump just said “Hey, Texas, I won Texas. I can go anywhere in Texas, and they’ll love me—El Paso, here I come!”

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:49:59pm

re: #59 Belafon

It took me a good few minutes to figure out why people were getting worked up over a 15 year old title that has been turned into slang. There was plenty of room to see it a different way.

It took me about two seconds.

That slang is pretty well known.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:50:30pm

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

Assuming he’s fast enough to catch up to his son or daughter is some massive overconfidence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:07pm

re: #126 jaunte

Assuming he’s fast enough to catch up to his son or daughter is some massive overconfidence.

I bet he would have no problem floating, himself…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:22pm

re: #126 jaunte

Assuming he’s fast enough to catch up to his son or daughter is some massive overconfidence.

especially as they would probably have a restraining order issued for him before coming out after a threat like that

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:25pm

Ummm… busing in the support because he’s not able to get a crowd in… Texas?

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:38pm

COME BACK HERE AND LET ME DROWN YOU, YOU WITCH!

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:38pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

It took me about two seconds.

That slang is pretty well known.

And why did it take you two seconds?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:51:58pm
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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:52:23pm

re: #103 Old Liberal

Our country is filled with assholes.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:52:53pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Ummm… busing in the support because he’s not able to get a crowd in… Texas?

El Paso votes Democrat. And getting out there is not easy because of the distance.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:53:25pm

works for me…

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:53:53pm

re: #129 lawhawk

He probably has to import them from Midland and Waco.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:54:21pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:55:02pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

Roger Stone says the charges against him are designed to make Nancy Pelosi president and Hillary Clinton vice president. Sure, why not.

so as to justify their actions to prevent a Deep State coup and overthrow of the the USA, turning us into a socialist hellhole and Venezuela of the North

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:55:35pm

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

works for me…

How many more things can we charge him with?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:56:04pm
Two of the three government staffers to Virginia Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D) and two employees of his political action committee resigned following news Friday of a second sexual assault allegation against him, the Richmond Times Dispatch reports.

im neither condoning nor condemning

im noting that several people have acted on their conscience because of what a state level dem (at this point) may have done

compare and contrast to all the stories out of the trump admin, white house, org, etc

all we know about him factually and publicly (ie he’s a pig)
a miserable horrible place to work

it’s been 2 years. there’s no real secret any more. so where’s the mass exodus?

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:56:11pm

re: #117 ObserverArt

Is it any more touchy than racism aimed at Blacks and discussing or actual using the “N” word?

We lost a lot of good contributors here at LGF over a comment some time back that dealt with that very subject.

And that one still disturbs me, but I cannot find the way to express what about it disturbs me that won’t cause even more issues.

I think that is the point we are at with much of these discussions. People don’t really want to talk it out. In ways they want to shout it out and everyone take to their corners where they will stay.

Minority groups who have been historically marginalized/oppressed/murdered have the right to decide what is offensive and don’t need to talk it out with everyone else and get approval to be angry. If you don’t get why they are angry maybe it’s because you don’t have the same life lens. I don’t get it but that’s my problem and they are not obligated to explain to my satisfaction.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:56:59pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:58:40pm

re: #63 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And I read that as being all about the money. I mean c’mon being all about the Benjamins has been around forever.

Sure it was all about the money.

That was the problem.

Jews…all about the money. Sure.

Why did Nancy Pelosi have to discuss this with the congresswoman if it was so clear?

(Note: I may not have understood your comment totally, but mine goes to how it was seen by plenty of people)

Again, look how a comment by teleskiguy blew up. It sure wasn’t his intention to chase away several members. I really don’t think it was his intention to use the word the way is was taken. It still pissed off some good folks.

Do we get a change to talk it out? Do we get a chance to make amends or show that this group of online posters isn’t a soft on racism as long as it is hidden or glossed over?

It sure doesn’t appear some of those folks are coming back.

As I commented last night. Trump has opened up a lot of wounds that are still not healed. He poured salt in them and now we are right here.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:58:44pm

re: #141 Old Liberal

Minority groups who have been historically marginalized/oppressed/murdered have the right to decide what is offensive and don’t need to talk it out with everyone else and get approval to be angry. If you don’t get why they are angry maybe it’s because you don’t have the same life lens. I don’t get it but that’s my problem and they are not obligated to explain to my satisfaction.

But enough about the Irish…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 1:58:54pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:00:33pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

WE WARNED YOU IDIOTS HE WOULD DO THIS

HIS “BLIND TRUST” WASN’T A BLIND TRUST IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOW HAVE FLORIDIANS FALLEN FOR THIS THREE TIMES IN A ROW

there’s a lot of ‘florida man’

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:02:26pm

Here is what bothers me MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE than an unseasoned congressperson stumbling into a poor choice of words (not to mention retweeting Glenn Greenwald):

Here is what’s driving Anti-Semitism in America:

There is a Jewish (allegedly) person, very close to the President, cosplaying every anti-Semitic stereotype that’s been thrown out for the last millennium or so.

But enough about Stephen Miller.

And then there is Jared Kushner, who in addition to the cosplay of “sneaky crooked untrustworthy rich Joo,” is “negotiating” a “Middle East Peace Plan” which is actually a giant pyramid scheme (involving the actual pyramids?) It’s all a money-making scam for him.

These are the “anti-SEMANTIC” razor blades that you have to tiptoe around in bare feet.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:02:35pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Rick Scott is a criminal, has always been a criminal, but the “good” people of Florida don’t care. As long as it’s a financial crime and the criminal is white, they are fine with it. Florida was in the Confederacy and racism still permeates the state.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:02:51pm

re: #146 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

there’s a lot of ‘florida man’

I have read nearly everything Carl Hiaasen has written and it would seen that the more blatant the scam, the more likely it is to succeed there

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:03:05pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

WE WARNED YOU IDIOTS HE WOULD DO THIS

HIS “BLIND TRUST” WASN’T A BLIND TRUST IN THE FIRST PLACE

HOW HAVE FLORIDIANS FALLEN FOR THIS THREE TIMES IN A ROW

it’s not telling the public once a year what you own
it’s whether in your elected position you knowingly influence your personal wealth

seriously though, it’s the second part that’s the problem

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:05:34pm

re: #149 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

One thing that struck me while living in Florida for a few years was how many people there admire the idea of Pirates, both as a historical myth, and an aspirational ideal of someone who connives and swindles their way to riches.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:06:22pm

re: #141 Old Liberal

Minority groups who have been historically marginalized/oppressed/murdered have the right to decide what is offensive and don’t need to talk it out with everyone else and get approval to be angry. If you don’t get why they are angry maybe it’s because you don’t have the same life lens. I don’t get it but that’s my problem and they are not obligated to explain to my satisfaction.

But here’s what rubs me. “All about the Benjamins” is entirely an American slang about money based on the person on the bill. Equating that phrase in this way:

All about the Benjamins ==> Benjamin Netanyahu ==> Jews and Money

is an entirely weird construct that seems to have risen because one person said it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:07:20pm

re: #147 The Vicious Babushka

Here is what’s driving Anti-Semitism in America:

Do not forget the fundamentalist Christians whose lip-service support for Israel is not based on any concern for the Jews or their nation, but to see the fulfillment of their End Times death-cult prophecies.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:08:12pm

And no, maybe she can’t get away with it, but there are lots of things politicans limit themselves on that we can call crap for people thinking they’re legitimate issues.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:09:55pm

via politicalwire.com

West Virginia Delegate Eric Porterfield (R) compared the gay community to the Ku Klux Klan after an anti-gay and lesbian rant he delivered in committee, the West Virginia Mail Gazette reports.

Hue?
Cry?
Bueller?

ANYONE?

Dem 25+ years ago blackface (no not excusing it) vs Republican TODAY

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:10:11pm

re: #152 Belafon

But here’s what rubs me. “All about the Benjamins” is entirely an American slang about money based on the person on the bill. Equating that phrase in this way:

All about the Benjamins ==> Benjamin Netanyahu ==> Jews and Money

is an entirely weird construct that seems to have risen because one person said it.

And that could be the whole problem- who is saying it or their national background. Is that not relevant? I can tell you that things Joe Arpeio says carry a large negative context with me.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:10:11pm

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

I bet he would have no problem floating, himself…

You might see his toes sticking up out of the water because that big old cement block head is going to be trying to take him to the bottom.

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Belafon  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:12:05pm

re: #156 Old Liberal

And that could be the whole problem- who is saying it or their national background. Is that not relevant? I can tell you that things Joe Arpeio says carry a large negative context with me.

Yep, but the weight Joe’s statements carry are entirely tied to the type of person he’s proven himself to be. What has she proven herself to be?

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:13:34pm

re: #131 Belafon

And why did it take you two seconds?

I don’t think I need to explain that since I already have.

I’m done with this. I think it is getting muddy and I am not at all comfortable with the direction after your comment.

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steve_davis  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:15:56pm

re: #5 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, so now can we talk about the OTHER elephant in the room? i.e. how willing people are to attribute antisemitic intent to a Muslim.

Find me a Muslim leader somewhere who is willing to say emphatically that Israel has a right to exist as a nation state. Every time I hear a “moderate” Imam on BBC for instance ask for declarations on this topic, I hear at best a lot of hedging. I’m sure some of them support Israel’s right to exist, but know that acknowledging that would be a death sentence as some fatwa gets issued somewhere.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:16:35pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

And, as I said in other replies. It’s not about the money? It’s not about them buying a lot of weapons from us? It’s not about their lobbying organizations throwing money at politicians? Because it is just as it is for so many other countries we support or even look the other way when they do something fucked up. I don’t care if it’s Israel, China, The UK or any of the rest. Money buys influence. It hasn’t got a damn thing to do with where the money is coming from and it’s kinda shitty that people took it that way. Then again I must be one of the “youngsters” who see things differently. Now if she had come out and said “those jews are buying out politicians to spread a vast zionist new world order” ala david duke, yeah I could see that as actual anti-semitism. I don’t see it as anti-semitic to point out that Israel lobbies our gov’t in the form of money and buying arms in order to effect how they are treated. Plenty of other countries do the exact same thing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:16:53pm

re: #152 Belafon

But here’s what rubs me. “All about the Benjamins” is entirely an American slang about money based on the person on the bill. Equating that phrase in this way:

All about the Benjamins ==> Benjamin Netanyahu ==> Jews and Money

is an entirely weird construct that seems to have risen because one person said it.

She was replying to/retweeting Greenwald’s tweet about the excessive influence of the Israeli government in American politics. I actually think the reference to Netanyahu is LESS problematic for most people than it being just about money, because clearly Netanyahu has too much influence over the GOP and the President.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:17:51pm

re: #152 Belafon

But here’s what rubs me. “All about the Benjamins” is entirely an American slang about money based on the person on the bill. Equating that phrase in this way:

All about the Benjamins ==> Benjamin Netanyahu ==> Jews and Money

is an entirely weird construct that seems to have risen because one person said it.

maybe im slicing this too thin
the only thing i saw was an american colloquial construct

is there another benjamin in israeli politics?
otherwise, since she used the plural, it likely cant have been a reference to him conscious or otherwise

if she specifically had used the singular ‘all about the benjamin, baby’ yeah that woulda been deliberate (imo)

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:19:13pm

re: #141 Old Liberal

Minority groups who have been historically marginalized/oppressed/murdered have the right to decide what is offensive and don’t need to talk it out with everyone else and get approval to be angry. If you don’t get why they are angry maybe it’s because you don’t have the same life lens. I don’t get it but that’s my problem and they are not obligated to explain to my satisfaction.

Yep. It is hard to make it clear what you want to say.

I wasn’t intending for anyone to give me any approval. I understand why they were upset.

I am sorry I brought it up. I never will again.

I’m losing here. So, I am going to take a break from this subject.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:20:01pm

re: #152 Belafon

one person who happens to be muslim…

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CongoJack  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:24:40pm

About this “Benjamin” thing. My 2 cents. There was a movie - All About the Benjamin’s. Was it about Israel? Nope Ice Cube made a movie - it involved $100 bills. Benjamins have been lingo for money since I was a kid, so 15 years at least. Unless she also put another reference to antisemitism in that same post/thought - I would directly relate Benjamins to $100 bills.

Life is context. The Right and Left come from different contextual worlds. The right side is dying a slow and loud death. The Left is just starting out (younger) and thus likely where this divide in thought comes from.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:25:02pm

re: #158 Belafon

Yep, but the weight Joe’s statements carry are entirely tied to the type of person he’s proven himself to be. What has she proven herself to be?

I don’t know anything about her. But if you are identified with a group that is viewed as hostile to another group you don’t want to use cute slang if you want to make your point. She didn’t commit a heinous crime, but she is learning to consider the bigger picture like AOC. I’m sure I would do worse.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:31:16pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:32:04pm

re: #167 Old Liberal

I don’t know anything about her. But if you are identified with a group that is viewed as hostile to another group you don’t want to use cute slang if you want to make your point. She didn’t commit a heinous crime, but she is learning to consider the bigger picture like AOC. I’m sure I would do worse.

And isn’t that exactly what happened with the “N” word instance here, though it wasn’t cute slang, it was a cute attempt to make a dramatic point that missed?

(I had to comment on yours because you made a good point.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:32:32pm

Kevin Kruse pwns another wingnut

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:32:40pm

huffpo main splash story right now

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:35:35pm

re: #167 Old Liberal

I don’t know anything about her. But if you are identified with a group that is viewed as hostile to another group you don’t want to use cute slang if you want to make your point. She didn’t commit a heinous crime, but she is learning to consider the bigger picture like AOC. I’m sure I would do worse.

Exactly why I don’t run for office.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:36:36pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:37:52pm
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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:39:00pm

The problem with the statement “it’s all about the benjamins” is that vagueness what “it” was. There are anti-semites (and racists, etc) who make repeated vague insinuations, and then respond with bad faith arguments of being falsely accused when called on their bigotry. Ilhan Omar’s apology is clear and considered, and was necessary, even though *I* did not read the original message as anti-semitic. It does not matter how I read it.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:45:32pm

re: #164 ObserverArt

Yep. It is hard to make it clear what you want to say.

I wasn’t intending for anyone to give me any approval. I understand why they were upset.

I am sorry I brought it up. I never will again.

I’m losing here. So, I am going to take a break from this subject.

Look your a good guy I think. And you sincerely want to understand and that’s admirable. Unfortunately through our life filters we might never be able to understand. There will never be fixed rules for us to go by. And sometimes asking for rules or an explanation can seem like a challenge (“why is that offensive” can be a challenge or a request to understand but in immediate context will almost always come off as a challenge). It feels like a can’t win situation but I assume it’s better than being in the marginalized group.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:45:44pm

Somehow I got tagged into an endless Twitter thread of wingnuts ranting about Ilhan Omar, how they’re going to hold a demonstration to show… I don’t know, how bigoted and stupid they are, I guess? Lots of talk about shariah law and Dearborn being taken by Muslims, etc.

This is a real sickness on the right.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:46:30pm

re: #166 CongoJack

About this “Benjamin” thing. My 2 cents. There was a movie - All About the Benjamin’s. Was it about Israel? Nope Ice Cube made a movie - it involved $100 bills. Benjamins have been lingo for money since I was a kid, so 15 years at least. Unless she also put another reference to antisemitism in that same post/thought - I would directly relate Benjamins to $100 bills.

Life is context. The Right and Left come from different contextual worlds. The right side is dying a slow and loud death. The Left is just starting out (younger) and thus likely where this divide in thought comes from.

The Benjamins thing is a red herring, she wasn’t referring to Netanyahu but if she had simply said “it’s all about the money” that wouldn’t have been any better in context. The offensive thing was lazily conflating die hard, reflexive US conservative support for Israel (which defines itself as a Jewish State) with money. In fact it’s mostly a product of decades of US diplomatic inertia driven by a mixture of promoting the only democracy in the region, cynical realpolitik, Christian evangelical supremacism, supercessionist dogma and end times fanaticism.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:50:26pm

Yesterday, the Houston Chronicle published a report about sexual predators in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Today, one of the more obnoxious Baptists, and a former Southern Baptist (who left in the last year or so because the SBC was getting into the “social gospel” *snort*), came up with THIS equation (with my response).

He then doubled down:

Seth Dunn is part of the “Pulpit & Pen” collective, the “National Enquirer” of the Calvinistic Baptists. He’s not a pastor but an accountant and he thinks very highly of himself. But it’s sick to say that women pastors are the same as child molesters. That’s a sick and twisted view of women and if I was his wife, I’d bail and take the kids.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:50:44pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:51:57pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:52:46pm

re: #180 Single-handed sailor

I agree with Rubin’s assessment but wonder why it took her so long to figure out how racist and bigoted the Republican Party has become and has been for decades. I have no doubt that she would still be Republican if any other Republican had won the presidency in 2016.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:53:39pm

re: #181 jaunte

I don’t know what you’re talking about. There must be millions of people there. MILLIONS! To see the greatest President in all of time and space! They’ll have to turn people away! IT’S YUUUUUUGE!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:56:34pm

Presumably they’re hitting on him in those hipster coffehouses he frequents, in between whispered conversations about how much they secretly love Trump.

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:57:25pm

re: #177 Charles Johnson

This is a real sickness on the right.

The left is not immune. The vaccination program must continue.

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piratedan  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:57:28pm

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

while I don’t count her as an ally, she’s graduated to not being an enemy. I try not to worry about what specific entity that crossed her moral rubicon, but she writes well and I have no problems letting her speak to the insanity and ethical decline of the GOP, she outta know it best since she was fully entrenched within for a loong long time.

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CongoJack  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:58:08pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:58:47pm
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Barefoot Grin  Feb 11, 2019 • 2:59:26pm

re: #181 jaunte

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On Nicole Wallace’s show someone said that the concern tonight won’t be the wall, it’ll be finding an angle that makes a crowd photo look bigger than the crowd actually is.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:00:52pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:02:33pm

I note a lot of folks on the Right using perceived antisemitism to whip up genuine Islamophobia.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:02:47pm

re: #179 mmmirele

Yesterday, the Houston Chronicle published a report about sexual predators in the Southern Baptist Convention.

Today, one of the more obnoxious Baptists, and a former Southern Baptist (who left in the last year or so because the SBC was getting into the “social gospel” *snort*), came up with THIS equation (with my response).

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Seth Dunn is part of the “Pulpit & Pen” collective, the “National Enquirer” of the Calvinistic Baptists. He’s not a pastor but an accountant and he thinks very highly of himself. But it’s sick to say that women pastors are the same as child molesters. That’s a sick and twisted view of women and if I was his wife, I’d bail and take the kids.

This comes from his “all sins are equal in gods sight”. They have a million of these little gems.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:06:09pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Presumably they’re hitting on him in those hipster coffehouses he frequents, in between whispered conversations about how much they secretly love Trump.

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as was noted yesterday, “Fuck You” is not a come-on…

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:06:25pm

re: #143 ObserverArt

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:07:40pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

as was noted yesterday, “Fuck You” is not a come-on…

Even if the conversation goes like this:

“I’m Jacob Wohl.”

“Fuck you.”

“Come on!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:11:20pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Presumably they’re hitting on him in those hipster coffehouses he frequents, in between whispered conversations about how much they secretly love Trump.

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Yeah sure they are.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:12:14pm

re: #180 Single-handed sailor

Good analysis by Rubin. To RWNJs, things like bashing Ihlan Omar or calling out Northam are a form of asymmetrical warfare. It stings the Dems, but the same criticism is wholly ineffective when used against the right-wingers themselves, since they do not care about antisemitism or racism, and they regard homophobia and Islamophobia as positive virtues.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:13:02pm

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

Think about it like this. You spend years living inside a certain bubble, you miss all this stuff because you are in the bubble. One day something bursts the bubble, at least for you, and suddenly you are outside looking in. Boom, you see what’s been clear to everyone else outside the bubble for a long time.

Granted she is and probably always will be economically conservative. But she is now seeing who else was in the so called tent and realizing how god awful they really are.

I grew up in a small town, all white. I was friends with a lot of people who turned out to be pretty goddamn awful but it took me getting out of the state and all the way across the country to see that. It also took that experience to undue years of learned prejudice and ignorance.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:13:18pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Presumably they’re hitting on him in those hipster coffehouses he frequents, in between whispered conversations about how much they secretly love Trump.

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They live in Canada, you wouldn’t know them…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:13:56pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Good analysis by Rubin. To RWNJs, things like bashing Ihlan Omar or calling out Northam are a form of asymmetrical warfare. It stings the Dems, but the same criticism is wholly ineffective when used against the right-wingers themselves, since they do not care about antisemitism or racism, and they regard homophobia and Islamophobia as positive virtues.

She is correct.

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mmmirele  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:15:08pm

re: #184 Blind Frog Belly White

Presumably they’re hitting on him in those hipster coffehouses he frequents, in between whispered conversations about how much they secretly love Trump.

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I wonder where he’s getting the money to frequent those hipster coffee houses. That coffee is expensive. I can’t justify it, not when I can make a pot of corporate rotgut at work and share it with my coworkers for free.

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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:17:06pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:17:38pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:22:25pm

I saw these two tweets juxtaposed on Rick Wilson’s feed. Sometimes life just works out….

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:22:55pm

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Rubin’s assessment but wonder why it took her so long to figure out how racist and bigoted the Republican Party has become and has been for decades. I have no doubt that she would still be Republican if any other Republican had won the presidency in 2016.

Keeping within the theme of the last few days and Corey Stewart’s comments the other day…maybe Jennifer Rubin needed Trump to make it clear to her how deep racism and bigotry is in the Republican party.

Isn’t it good that people can learn and finally see the light?

Or, do we all need to stay within the boxes we already are in by our own devices or put there by others? Can no one ever become not a racist or bigot?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:28:44pm

re: #182 Patricia Kayden

I agree with Rubin’s assessment but wonder why it took her so long to figure out how racist and bigoted the Republican Party has become and has been for decades. I have no doubt that she would still be Republican if any other Republican had won the presidency in 2016.

That may well be true. I think it’s really easy to dismiss the dogwhistles and such when they ARE dogwhistles. When they become bullhorns, that’s when you separate the died in the wool racists from those who simply can’t or won’t see it in their own ranks. The former say, “He says what I’ve always thought!” and the other say, “Wait, woah! That’s not what I thought I was supporting!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:29:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:33:05pm

re: #207 Blind Frog Belly White

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They go to a different school!

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BlueGrl21  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:33:39pm

re: #136 jaunte

He probably has to import them from Midland and Waco.

Yep, was in Midland last summer for a funeral. My sons were counting Trump yard signs and billboards that are STILL in yards and on streets. They love them some Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:34:09pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

I’m glad that she’s seen the light. Just makes you wonder how she didn’t see all the racism before Trump which was endemic to the Republican party. But bravo for her. Hope she doesn’t revert.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:34:15pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:35:57pm

re: #194 BeachDem

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:36:05pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:36:17pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:38:43pm
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BlueGrl21  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:41:33pm

re: #179 mmmirele

Today, one of the more obnoxious Baptists, and a former Southern Baptist (who left in the last year or so because the SBC was getting into the “social gospel” *snort*), came up with THIS equation (with my response).

What’s funny is someone in the article criticized them, saying some would rather have sexual predators than woman pastors.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:42:34pm

Odds on Trump saying some stupid racist shit about Elizabeth Warren tonight?

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:43:08pm

re: #212 ObserverArt

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:43:19pm
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wrenchwench  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:45:18pm

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

Odds on Trump saying some stupid racist shit about Elizabeth Warren tonight?

Stupid racist shit is at the top of his agenda. He seems to have Elizabeth Warren on his mind a lot, recently. Chances are good.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:48:31pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 3:52:37pm

re: #218 BeachDem

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:01:16pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

Coal has been a declining source of electricity since 2000. According to this (from the US Department of Energy), we produce as much electricity with coal today as we did in the early 1980s… while producing about three times more electricity from other sources. So, is coal “important”? Sure. But it’s becoming less important, and should be treated as such… there’s probably some joke in there about how similar Trump is to coal, but I’m tired, so I’ll leave it to the more alert minds among us.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:06:10pm

That’s to Krassenstein’s “solely-renewable is the only viable future”.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:06:11pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

…like Paradise #3 in Kentucky!

Jeeez, great choice of coal images:

And daddy won’t you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well I’m sorry my son but you’re too late in asking
Mister Peabody’s coal train has hauled it away…

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:06:56pm

re: #222 ObserverArt

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:09:36pm

re: #225 Decatur Deb

ha, didn’t even catch that, a sign of just how tired I am…

Paradise by John Prine

(I prefer the Jimmy Buffett cover, but figured it’s always better to go with the original)

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:10:27pm

re: #198 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Think about it like this. You spend years living inside a certain bubble, you miss all this stuff because you are in the bubble. One day something bursts the bubble, at least for you, and suddenly you are outside looking in. Boom, you see what’s been clear to everyone else outside the bubble for a long time.

Granted she is and probably always will be economically conservative. But she is now seeing who else was in the so called tent and realizing how god awful they really are.

I grew up in a small town, all white. I was friends with a lot of people who turned out to be pretty goddamn awful but it took me getting out of the state and all the way across the country to see that. It also took that experience to undue years of learned prejudice and ignorance.

Is it Twain who said travel cures bigotry? We all know why right wingers hate public universities- because minds change if you let them grow.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:11:01pm

re: #221 Single-handed sailor

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BeachDem  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:12:06pm

Programming note—if you have access to The World Channel, “While I Breathe, I Hope,” the Bakari Sellers documentary, airs tonight at 8 pm as part of the “AfroPop” documentary series (we don’t get it in SC, so I’m still trying to figure out how to stream it on pbs.)

What does it mean to be young, Black, and a Democrat in the South? While I Breathe, I Hope unravels this question through the experiences of South Carolina politician Bakari Sellers. The film follows Sellers on his 2014 bid for lieutenant governor, through the Charleston shootings in 2015, and to the present as he takes on a national role on CNN and considers his future in Trump’s America.

newsobserver.com

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:12:45pm

There are more people working in the solar power industry than in oil, natgas, and coal industry combined.

Source: forbes.com (relying on Energy Department stats).

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:13:23pm

Entergy is building a power plant in Lake Charles, LA., 100% powered by natural gas.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:14:41pm

Trump thinks global warming is such a joke, he planned for rising sea levels while building golf courses in the UK.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:14:53pm

re: #231 lawhawk

Huh, out of approximately 128.5m workers, I’d have thought “energy” would have employed more than 500k.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:15:59pm

re: #233 Ace Rothstein

Trump thinks global warming is such a joke, he planned for rising sea levels while building golf courses in the UK.

That wasn’t Trump, that was likely the architects who didn’t want to get sued when the place flooded.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:16:46pm

re: #235 KGxvi

That he would’ve stiffed anyway.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:17:28pm

Texas is the wind power state now, producing almost 4 times as much as California. Even Iowa and Oklahoma generate more wind power than California.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:17:42pm

re: #229 lawhawk

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Isn’t TVA socialist coal powered electricity? Why do they support big government socialism? I want capitalist free market electrons.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:20:03pm

re: #234 KGxvi

Well, it’s amazing what automation does; you could have an entire facility run from a control room. Mining requires fewer and fewer people as bigger machines can do more with less. And oil/natgas rigs can require fewer drill rigs to drill over a bigger area with directional drilling.

But at this stage, there’s a need to build/install solar projects, and that takes bodies - installing on rooftops, in solar farms, etc.

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:21:42pm

re: #226 BeachDem

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:22:54pm

re: #239 lawhawk

Well, it’s amazing what automation does; you could have an entire facility run from a control room. Mining requires fewer and fewer people as bigger machines can do more with less. And oil/natgas rigs can require fewer drill rigs to drill over a bigger area with directional drilling.

But at this stage, there’s a need to build/install solar projects, and that takes bodies - installing on rooftops, in solar farms, etc.

The combo of automation and AI is why I’m skeptical of a federal jobs guarantee. I think we need to give real consideration to universal basic income going forward. But even though such lefties as Milton freaking Friedman favored the concept, there’s no way conservatives would go along with it.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:22:54pm

re: #238 Old Liberal

Well, the TVA has a combination of coal, natgas, hydro, and nukes.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:24:11pm

re: #227 KGxvi

ha, didn’t even catch that, a sign of just how tired I am…

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Video

(I prefer the Jimmy Buffett cover, but figured it’s always better to go with the original)

I’ll catch ‘em, you clean ‘em.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:24:12pm

re: #242 lawhawk

Well, the TVA has a combination of coal, natgas, hydro, and nukes.

So, that’s why they could never close the TVA, mutual assured destruction…

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Weaselone  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:24:48pm

re: #224 Chrysicat

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That’s to Krassenstein’s “solely-renewable is the only viable future”.

What about fusion?

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:25:00pm

Trump Waivers for Border Wall OK’d by Ninth Circuit

SAN DIEGO (CN) - The Ninth Circuit Monday affirmed the federal government’s authority to waive dozens of environmental laws to speed-up border wall construction near San Diego and Calexico, California, though one judge found it was a call for the Supreme Court, not the Ninth Circuit, to make.

In a 30-page opinion, U.S. Circuit Judges M. Margaret McKeown and Jacqueline Nguyen affirmed summary judgment in favor of the Department of Homeland Security in lawsuits filed by a handful of environmental organizations and California challenging the federal government’s waiver of 37 environmental laws under the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996.

The Ninth Circuit found “the plain text” of the act “granted DHS authority to construct the border barrier projects.” The panel also found it lacked jurisdiction to consider any argument challenging the waivers themselves.

“Because the projects are statutorily authorized and DHS has waived the environmental laws California and the environmental groups seek to enforce, we affirm the district court’s grant of summary judgment to DHS,” McKeown wrote.

Fuck everything.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:25:00pm

re: #242 lawhawk

Well, the TVA has a combination of coal, natgas, hydro, and nukes.

Built as a fully funded Federal Government socialist type program.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:25:01pm

re: #243 Decatur Deb

I’ll catch ‘em, you clean ‘em.

“This is Fred’s Crematory Services, you kill ‘em, we grill ‘em. How may I direct your call?”

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:25:04pm

re: #242 lawhawk

Well, the TVA has a combination of coal, natgas, hydro, and nukes.

And the John Birch press has been apeshit over it since before the 1950s.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:26:07pm

re: #246 Citizen K

Trump Waivers for Border Wall OK’d by Ninth Circuit

Fuck everything.

So the government doesn’t have to play by its own rules. Got it.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:26:27pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:26:34pm

re: #248 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

“This is Fred’s Crematory Services, you kill ‘em, we grill ‘em. How may I direct your call?”

“City morgue. You stab ‘em, we slab ‘em.”

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:28:43pm

re: #246 Citizen K

Interesting… the two in the majority were appointed by Clinton and Obama, the dissenter was a GW Bush appointee. Going to try and quickly read/skim the opinion(s) to see the logic.

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lawhawk  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:30:05pm

re: #251 Chrysicat

What’s the proof he’s lost any money? On his say-so?

No one knows how much he’s really worth because he’s a scammer and his tax returns are not public. He lies and exaggerates his wealth, and he’s also exaggerating his costs.

At same time, he’s going and profiting from every trip he made as POTUS to one of his business facilities.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:30:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:31:25pm

re: #255 The Vicious Babushka

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Your pal Candece is okay with Nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:35:42pm

re: #251 Chrysicat

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weeks or even months hahaha. No, we’re mad because he loves to brag about how no one works harder than him and he’s a blatantly lazy piece of shit.

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:39:08pm

re: #250 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

So the government doesn’t have to play by its own rules. Got it.

No, it means that Congress in 1996 (can you spell Newt Gingrich ) changed the rules. Must have been signed by Clinton. Triangulatin‘ agin’ re: #253 KGxvi

Interesting… the two in the majority were appointed by Clinton and Obama, the dissenter was a GW Bush appointee. Going to try and quickly read/skim the opinion(s) to see the logic.

This is based on turd legislation during Newt Gingrich time, left to steam and rot waiting for a greater turd to dig it up

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Weaselone  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:39:25pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

weeks or even months hahaha. No, we’re mad because he loves to brag about how no one works harder than him and he’s a blatantly lazy piece of shit.

Whoa. Let’s not be hasty here. My preference would be that Trump golf 24/365/4.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:42:00pm

re: #237 Single-handed sailor

Texas is the wind power state now, producing almost 4 times as much as California. Even Iowa and Oklahoma generate more wind power than California.

Serendipity: Reddit just mounted this image in their top choices.

reddit.com

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:42:50pm

Ok, so quick thoughts on the border wall decision:

First, the dissent is really a “we don’t have authority to review this case” dissent, and not a dissent on the merits. the reason for that dissent is because the law at issue, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 has a provision that certain appeals have to go directly to the Supreme Court (which is probably right, but also slightly irrelevant since the decision would likely still be taken up to the Supreme Court).

Second, the IIRIRA (stupid, I know), basically allows the DHS to waive whatever laws it wants to in order to build a fence/wall/barrier on the southern border:

Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive all legal requirements such Secretary, in such Secretary’s sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section. Any such decision by the Secretary shall be effective upon being published in the Federal Register.

That seems like an incredibly stupid bit of legislation. Which makes sense, since the 90s was full of a lot of incredibly stupid legislation.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:45:30pm

re: #261 KGxvi

Ok, so quick thoughts on the border wall decision:

First, the dissent is really a “we don’t have authority to review this case” dissent, and not a dissent on the merits. the reason for that dissent is because the law at issue, the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 has a provision that certain appeals have to go directly to the Supreme Court (which is probably right, but also slightly irrelevant since the decision would likely still be taken up to the Supreme Court).

Second, the IIRIRA (stupid, I know), basically allows the DHS to waive whatever laws it wants to in order to build a fence/wall/barrier on the southern border:

That seems like an incredibly stupid bit of legislation. Which makes sense, since the 90s was full of a lot of incredibly stupid legislation.

Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ, Republicans are fucking stupid. Though I can’t say I’m too happy with Bill Clinton for signing that shitpile (assuming it didn’t get vetoed and overridden?)

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:46:09pm

re: #261 KGxvi

Second, the IIRIRA (stupid, I know), basically allows the DHS to waive whatever laws it wants to in order to build a fence/wall/barrier on the southern border:

That seems like an incredibly stupid bit of legislation. Which makes sense, since the 90s was full of a lot of incredibly stupid legislation.

It was the first time in decades in which Republicans had control of both houses of Congress. And Newt was Majority Leader in the House. So stupidity and damaging ideas would be the standard policy in those days.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:48:02pm

So when does the orange asshole start bloviating in El Paso?

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:50:01pm

re: #262 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Fairly bipartisan votes in Congress. House was 278-126 (just short of a veto-proof majority), and the Senate was 72-27. After conference, it passed the House with 370 votes and on a voice vote in the Senate. Clinton signed it a little more than a month before election day.

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KGxvi  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:51:15pm

re: #265 KGxvi

I should add, it was also tied to DoD appropriations, which probably explains the super majorities after the conference report.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:53:12pm
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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:55:32pm

Keep this one in mind as they’re haggling over running even more money through this corrupted agency.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:55:48pm

no shit

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:57:10pm

re: #256 HappyWarrior

Your pal Candece is okay with Nazis.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 4:57:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:01:06pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:01:17pm

re: #270 The Vicious Babushka

Jesus. I need to find a new line of work.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:01:28pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:02:25pm

re: #274 Charles Johnson

I wonder how accurate the Farsi is?

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:03:18pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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Jarad. He can do it all.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:04:46pm

re: #272 Charles Johnson

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en.wikipedia.org

Lives in Lubbock.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:05:09pm

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how accurate the Farsi is?

I was just thinking there’s probably a typo in there somewhere.

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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:06:23pm

re: #275 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how accurate the Farsi is?

It’s probably more farce-y than anything.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:08:19pm
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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:11:00pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

en.wikipedia.org

Lives in Lubbock.

Nice find. Bet there are conversations to reinstall the family.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:11:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:12:00pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:13:48pm

Remember when we had some of those MEK types posting LGF Pages full of propaganda here? They kept getting down-voted and disappearing from the lists. They had a whole big group of accounts they registered in different names. Some very shady behavior.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:14:56pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:21:23pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Given the spammy repetitive responses to the Farsi tweet, this guy—Seyed Mohammad Hosseini—and his “Restart” movement is probably involved.

I’m not impressed, in fact he strikes me as a dangerous nutbar, but his particularly variety of dangerous nutbar matches with the President’s style.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:24:09pm

Narrator’s Voice: Yes

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:27:59pm

re: #277 Decatur Deb

en.wikipedia.org

Lives in Lubbock.

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jaunte  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:31:14pm

How dumb are Trump fans, you ask?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:31:36pm

Trump doing a rally in El Paso. Beto O’Rourke doing a counter rally. Should I?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:32:18pm

MAAKIES

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:32:25pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:32:50pm
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Decatur Deb  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:32:57pm

re: #286 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Given the spammy repetitive responses to the Farsi tweet, this guy—Seyed Mohammad Hosseini—and his “Restart” movement is probably involved.

Astro-sand.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:36:19pm

Ok, here’s another one for the old-timers.

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stpaulbear  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:38:52pm

‘Cause there ain’t no one for to give you no pain.

Genius lyrics.
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:40:50pm

re: #294 Decatur Deb

Astro-sand.

The US government definitely has a type it falls for.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:42:07pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Took me a second. ;)

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:45:08pm
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Citizen K  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:46:31pm

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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Failing upward, ever more.

There truly is so little justice in the world.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:49:14pm

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

I’m assuming that is Hot Asian Wife sitting next to him? She actually appears to be interested in the game while Rage Furby is…not

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:51:05pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:51:19pm

re: #301 Sufficient unto the day…

I’m assuming that is Hot Asian Wife sitting next to him? She actually appears to be interested in the game while Rage Furby is…not

I thought she left him.

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plansbandc  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:52:23pm

If that is, in fact, the Hot Asian Wife…She IS hot.

So Rage Furby’s score card is: Lies 5 million, non lie 1.

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Chrysicat  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:53:08pm

re: #284 Charles Johnson

Remember when we had some of those MEK types posting LGF Pages full of propaganda here? They kept getting down-voted and disappearing from the lists. They had a whole big group of accounts they registered in different names. Some very shady behavior.

That must be an uneasy alliance between them and the Pahlavi–MEK, according to Wiki, is socialist and logically seems like it should already have been opposing them before the Revolution…

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gwangung  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:54:08pm

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

I thought she left him.

She may have. He’s also has an oriental fetish to go with the white supremacy.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:57:23pm

re: #306 gwangung

Of course he does. I’m going to also assume that he has BBC cuckold porn too, because of COURSE he would.

Once again, having a fetish for almost anything is perfectly cool. Trying to make public policy based on those fetishes is significantly uncool.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 11, 2019 • 5:58:09pm

re: #295 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

America - A Horse With No Name+Lyrics

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:00:42pm

Negotiators apparently have a deal in place to avoid a shutdown.

The bipartisan group negotiating to avoid another shutdown announced it had the broad outlines of a border security agreement to do so.

The top Democrats and Republicans on the House and Senate appropriations committees came out of a long Monday evening meeting to say they think they’ve reached a deal “in principle” to fully fund the government, which is set to run out of funds on Friday at midnight.

But they declined to discuss any details of the agreement, which would fully fund the government through the fall. Whatever the group has agreed upon still needs to pass both chambers of Congress — and win over President Trump, who is the big question mark in the equation.

“We reached an agreement in principle between us on all the homeland security and the other six bills,” Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby (R-AL) told reporters Monday night as he emerged with Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and their House counterparts, Reps. Nita Lowey (D-NY) and Kay Granger (R-TX).

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:01:42pm

JFC

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:02:05pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Doesn’t mean a thing until Ann Coulter approves it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:03:00pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Negotiators apparently have a deal in place to avoid a shutdown.

But will Trump torpedo the whole fucking thing like he did last time?

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Skip Intro  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:03:03pm

re: #310 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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Remember when there used to be things like blind trusts where the trustees wouldn’t get involved in politics?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:03:58pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:05:13pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Negotiators apparently have a deal in place to avoid a shutdown.

They don’t need to win Trump over. They just need to stand firm and make clear that he either signs the bill or accepts responsibility for yet another shutdown.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:06:00pm
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freetoken  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:06:26pm

re: #314 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The entire “on border security” is a false claim… it is nothing less than to buy Trump’s claim that Democrats are “weak” on the border.

The issue with Trump is that he wants his bigotry enshrined in a physical monument. That is what the “wall” is all about.

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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:08:00pm

re: #312 Eclectic Cyborg

But will Trump torpedo the whole fucking thing like he did last time?

shakes Magic 8 ball…

‘Signs point to yes’

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ipsos  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:11:16pm

re: #306 gwangung

She may have. He’s also has an oriental fetish to go with the white supremacy.

No wedding rings on either of them. Just saying.

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KingKenrod  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:11:41pm

I’m watching the Rockets game. Rage Furby left at the end of the 1st quarter.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:12:51pm
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makeitstop  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:15:12pm

re: #320 KingKenrod

I’m watching the Rockets game. Rage Furby left at the end of the 1st quarter.

Front row for the Harden show and he leaves after the 1st Q?

Asshole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:15:48pm

re: #322 makeitstop

Front row for the Harden show and he leaves after the 1st Q?

Asshole.

Just wanted to be seen is all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:16:37pm
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KingKenrod  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:17:42pm

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

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I wonder if anyone can identify the other two men? All four left at the same time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:18:00pm

Boom, there it is

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:18:50pm

re: #299 The Vicious Babushka

Is that his “HAW” as he calls her next to him?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:19:03pm

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Boom, there it is

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or, maybe “pop” there it is

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:23:19pm

re: #327 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Never mind. I read further down the thread. I’m too lazy to hunt for the wedding photo I grabbed ages ago of the two of them to see if this is the same woman.

Mrs Rage Furby is just as far right as he is, from all accounts.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:23:56pm

re: #328 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

or, maybe “pop” there it is

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Comes down to what constitutes the definition of “physical barrier” in the legislation. My guess is there’s money earmarked for repair of existing fence, but no new construction.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:24:42pm

Bullshit
He’ll vote for Barr right after he gets his camera time on MSNBC and CNN

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:26:09pm

re: #327 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Is that his “HAW” as he calls her next to him?

I thought his wife left him. Maybe they reconciled, or he is dating another Asian woman.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:27:28pm

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

I thought his wife left him. Maybe they reconciled, or he is dating another Asian woman.

Neither seems to be wearing a ring on their left ring finger.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:28:15pm

re: #303 The Vicious Babushka

I thought she left him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:28:15pm

re: #332 The Vicious Babushka

I thought his wife left him. Maybe they reconciled, or he is dating another Asian woman.

I was thinking the latter.

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KingKenrod  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:29:22pm

Rage Furby & party have returned to the arena.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:29:31pm
338
wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:30:22pm

I want to say thank you to whoever recommended missingmoney.com a few weeks ago. Turns out I had some cash still sitting in my 403(b) from my last job in the USA somehow, and also my ex and I are joint owners of some other funds. I won’t say how much is involved, but each was more than $100.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:30:38pm

re: #326 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Boom, there it is

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Good.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:31:21pm

re: #330 goddamnedfrank

Comes down to what constitutes the definition of “physical barrier” in the legislation. My guess is there’s money earmarked for repair of existing fence, but no new construction.

I’d say that’s about right, the DNC has been willing to offer funds for repair/upgrades of existing fencing, but absolutely refuses funding for a wall. The devil will be in the details, but I can’t imagine after 30+ days of holding firm that they’d crumble now.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:33:25pm

re: #331 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Bullshit
He’ll vote for Barr right after he gets his camera time on MSNBC and CNN

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Paul can safely vote no because there are 53 GOP Senators now. He’d vote to confirm if his vote was needed.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:35:33pm

re: #330 goddamnedfrank

Comes down to what constitutes the definition of “physical barrier” in the legislation. My guess is there’s money earmarked for repair of existing fence, but no new construction.

Trump will tweet it lets him build his wall even if it doesn’t. His base will believe him.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:35:58pm

re: #338 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I want to say thank you to whoever recommended missingmoney.com a few weeks ago. Turns out I had some cash still sitting in my 403(b) from my last job in the USA somehow, and also my ex and I are joint owners of some other funds. I won’t say how much is involved, but each was more than $100.

{Blushes}

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:36:27pm

re: #334 goddamnedfrank

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Old Liberal  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:37:50pm

re: #342 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump will tweet it lets him build his wall even if it doesn’t. His base will believe him.

I really don’t think they’ll turn on him over the wall. This is a deadender cult. Look at the bankrupt dairy farmers in Wisconsin. Still making excuses blaming others.

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:39:12pm

re: #342 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Trump will tweet it lets him build his wall even if it doesn’t. His base will believe him.

What he’ll say is that he got more money for physical barriers than he would have otherwise, even if it doesn’t mean he’ll be getting his wall, and that will be the end of it.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:40:39pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:46:34pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

Is he telling the audience to knock them out and he’ll pay for their attorney fees?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:47:11pm

re: #346 Targetpractice

What he’ll say is that he got more money for physical barriers than he would have otherwise, even if it doesn’t mean he’ll be getting his wall, and that will be the end of it.

Pelosis et al will pre spin /pre announce to prevent that disaster of him hogging the credit

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:49:20pm

Instagram

Skinned up @sunlightmountainresort. The uphill route is very encouraging.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:52:13pm

55 miles

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:53:06pm

re: #336 KingKenrod

Rage Furby & party have returned to the arena.

My question is did the woman leave with them or not.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:54:37pm

re: #155 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

via politicalwire.com

Hue?
Cry?
Bueller?

ANYONE?

Dem 25+ years ago blackface (no not excusing it) vs Republican TODAY

Looks like thyey are suggesting he “step down”

Link

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:56:16pm

re: #347 Charles Johnson

Is there video of what happened?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:56:41pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

55 miles

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WINNING

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 11, 2019 • 6:58:19pm

Just a reminder: We are coming up the one year anniversary of the Parkland Shootings. Be prepared for plenty of RWNJ bullshit this week.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:01:05pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

What are the odds of Trump vetoing it?

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:01:22pm
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:03:38pm

re: #358 Single-handed sailor

going to be one helluva infratructure week!

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Targetpractice  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:05:22pm

re: #355 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

[Embedded content]

WINNING

So a year ago, he could have had $25B for his wall and all he would have had to agree to was providing a pathway to (but not immediate) citizenship for Dreamers, and he rejected it because the racists who really run the WH balked at the idea of allowing a single “illegal” to become an American.

Now, a year later, he’s getting jack squat for his wall while DACA receives another reprieve from the courts.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:06:04pm

haha

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teleskiguy  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:11:17pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Art Of The Deal, Baby!

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Jay C  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:13:38pm

re: #351 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

55 miles

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Wasn’t $1.3-1.6B for physical “infrastructure” for the border basically what Pelosi and Schumer had offered the WH originally? Back in December? IOW, the offer lying on Square One?

re: #357 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

What are the odds of Trump vetoing it?

Dunno. That question was also lying on Square One: with no clear answer then, either.

The Orange Anus has backed himself -as usual - into a corner: he either vetoes the bill and gets an embarrassing override: or he gets to own another (colossally unpopular) shutdown.

Or he signs off on a budget deal, and gets to spin shit his way: either hoke up some sort of bogus “win”, and/or blame somebody/anybody else….

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ObserverArt  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:28:00pm

re: #309 makeitstop

Negotiators apparently have a deal in place to avoid a shutdown.

Congressman David Price on Lawrence just said on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show he is pretty sure it will pass in both House and Senate though it is something no one is really happy with compared to what could be done.

Ball is going to be in Bozo’s court soon for a signature. He’ll kick it a few times with his big orange clown shoes.

Then he’ll figure out a way to say it is a win.

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sagehen  Feb 11, 2019 • 7:59:05pm

re: #205 ObserverArt

Keeping within the theme of the last few days and Corey Stewart’s comments the other day…maybe Jennifer Rubin needed Trump to make it clear to her how deep racism and bigotry is in the Republican party.

The whole point of dog whistles is that only dogs are supposed to hear them, everybody else thinks you’re nuts if you claim to have noticed a sound.

But in recent years, starting with the Obama campaign but becoming vastly more widespread in the Trump era — they’ve replaced the dog whistles with tubas. It’s impossible to avoid noticing; even people who wanted plausible deniability can’t avoid admitting they hear it too.


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