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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:19:28pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:21:07pm

re: #1 plansbandc

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You can’t hide…your lyin’ eyes…

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:23:39pm

re: #2 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s not just blind in the literal sense.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:24:12pm

So time for some more popcorn as the National Emergency Boogaloo plays out.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:26:54pm

Did someone throw the winning MegaMillions ticket away????

lasvegassun.com

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:28:02pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:30:37pm
Trump says Mount Everest ‘a lot easier’ to climb than border wall

nbcnews.com

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:30:41pm

OFFS, Part #84449161

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:32:14pm

re: #8 Citizen K

OFFS, Part #84449161

“Maybe you should be redirecting your rage at the death squads.”

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:35:53pm

re: #8 Citizen K

Trump’s fine with those folks dying. And then preventing them from seeking asylum here.

That’s the point of his fucking wall - keeping the nonwhites out of the US by any means necessary, including creating a bogus national emergency to reallocate appropriations from disaster relief to fund his nonsensical boondoggle wall.

The GOP and white supremacists (I’m repeating myself) are cheering this bulkshit on.

They’ll be in for a nasty surprise when they learn that if you call for a national emergency here, and you let it stand, that means a Democrat could come in and cut the military budget or eliminate all energy incentives for oil companies and shift it to renewables and infrastructure to deal with an actual climate change crisis. Or any number of other moves that Trump’s creating precedent with in his effort to destroy functioning government by any means necessary.

There is no crisis at the border. None. His own admin admits as much. But he wants one and is calling the shots, so every last GOPer is falling into goose step.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:39:01pm

re: #10 lawhawk

Trump’s fine with those folks dying. And then preventing them from seeking asylum here.

That’s the point of his fucking wall - keeping the nonwhites out of the US by any means necessary, including creating a bogus national emergency to reallocate appropriations from disaster relief to fund his nonsensical boondoggle wall.

The GOP and white supremacists (I’m repeating myself) are cheering this bulkshit on.

They’ll be in for a nasty surprise when they learn that if you call for a national emergency here, and you let it stand, that means a Democrat could come in and cut the military budget or eliminate all energy incentives for oil companies and shift it to renewables and infrastructure to deal with an actual climate change crisis. Or any number of other moves that Trump’s creating precedent with in his effort to destroy functioning government by any means necessary.

There is no crisis at the border. None. His own admin admits as much. But he wants one and is calling the shots, so every last GOPer is falling into goose step.

But a Dem said something that isn’t 100% verifiable and/or could be misinterpreted as support for something else that is questionable, therefore Dems are evli and that’s the REAL story that needs to be told!!

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:39:56pm

re: #10 lawhawk

There is no crisis at the border. None. His own admin admits as much. But he wants one and is calling the shots, so every last GOPer is falling into goose step.

GOP Delenda Est!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:40:22pm

How is there a weather delay in my shipment? It’s 45 degrees and sunny where my package is at.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:41:40pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

President Racist Grandpa is actually going to declare a National Emergency, BASED ENTIRELY ON A XENOPHOBIC FEAR-MONGERING FANTASY.

Sorry for shouting, but damn.

i got CL’d. or is it one’s own fault (I CL’d myself)? anyway

- forget all the arguments that ‘prove’ there’s no emergency
- go with ‘congress and the president disagree’ - which means congress knows what it was doing when it debated, decided, and passed legislation

so you:
- sign what congress appropriated
- ‘at the same time’ try to end run around congress’s explicit decision that you just approved

yeah, that’ll hold up in court
imagine being the lawyer who has to argue that

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:43:03pm

re: #14 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i got CL’d. or is it one’s own fault (I CL’d myself)? anyway

- forget all the arguments that ‘prove’ there’s no emergency
- go with ‘congress and the president disagree’ - which means congress knows what it was doing when it debated, decided, and passed legislation

so you:
- sign what congress appropriated
- ‘at the same time’ try to end run around congress’s explicit decision that you just approved

yeah, that’ll hold up in court
imagine being the lawyer who has to argue that

But that’s ok, since Trump’s managed to stuff the courts with his guys so he’ll get away with it anyway.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:43:31pm

re: #14 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

i got CL’d. or is it one’s own fault (I CL’d myself)? anyway

- forget all the arguments that ‘prove’ there’s no emergency
- go with ‘congress and the president disagree’ - which means congress knows what it was doing when it debated, decided, and passed legislation

so you:
- sign what congress appropriated
- ‘at the same time’ try to end run around congress’s explicit decision that you just approved

yeah, that’ll hold up in court
imagine being the lawyer who has to argue that

It’s not meant to hold up, that’s just a small benefit if it does. At this point, it’s about keeping his base happy, as it seems the efforts to get Faux to cover his ass have fallen flat.

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KerFuFFler  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:44:22pm

(Responding to a comment from the previous thread)
#42 Happy Warrior

re: #40 jaunte

She asked him if he would uphold human rights in the foreign policy decision process and he at first temporized, and then said it was “always” the policy of the United States.

He walked into that one and she did her homework. The Reagan administration is why there are a lot of problems in Central America and that’s another thing the Never Trumpers don’t want to own up to because it would mean admitting that the Reagan administration cared more about anti-communism than pro-democracy in that part of the world.

The screwing of Central America started much earlier though. I recently read about the history of the United Fruit Company and their sleazy dealings there. In the 50’s, both the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA were brothers who were on the payroll of the UFC. They used their offices to help the company by engineering an “anti-communist” coup in Guatemala among other things.

From Wikipedia: John Foster Dulles, who represented United Fruit while he was a law partner at Sullivan & Cromwell - he negotiated that crucial United Fruit deal with Guatemalan officials in the 1930s - was Secretary of State under Eisenhower; his brother Allen, who did legal work for the company and sat on its board of directors, was head of the CIA under Eisenhower; Henry Cabot Lodge, who was America’s ambassador to the UN, was a large owner of United Fruit stock; Ed Whitman, the United Fruit PR man, was married to Ann Whitman, Dwight Eisenhower’s personal secretary. You could not see these connections until you could - and then you could not stop seeing them.[16]

Sadly, too much of our foreign policy is aimed at helping plutocrats plunder people out of sight of the American citizenry.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:45:07pm
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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:46:51pm

re: #17 KerFuFFler

(Responding to a comment from the previous thread)

The screwing of Central America started much earlier though. I recently read about the history of the United Fruit Company and their sleazy dealings there. In the 50’s, both the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA were brothers who were on the payroll of the UFC. They used their offices to help the company by engineering an “anti-communist” coup in Guatemala.

Sadly, too much of our foreign policy is aimed at helping plutocrats plunder people out of sight of the American citizenry.

Unfortunately the citizenry has never given a fuck.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:48:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:50:35pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:51:31pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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They’re cool with it now, but will lose their fucking minds when President Harris declares a national emergency over climate change or gun violence.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:53:28pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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Because of course they’d be ok. It’s never about consistency, principle, or good governance. Every single fucking thing they do is about grinding their boot on someone that isn’t them. This allows all of them to indulge in their hate of the other while getting some graft in their pockets, so it’s fucking win-win. Not like they’re hurting people* after all.

*Because to Republicans, brown people necessarily are lesser than people.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:54:49pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

They’re cool with it now, but will lose their fucking minds when President Harris declares a national emergency over climate change or gun violence.

IOKIYAR.

They’ll move to impeach the moment a Democrat tries to do anything half approaching what Trump has done - including the widespread criminality of the Trump crime syndicate.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:54:54pm

re: #1 plansbandc

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The cream of White Supremacy, y’all…

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:54:58pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:54:58pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:57:01pm

re: #5 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did someone throw the winning MegaMillions ticket away????

lasvegassun.com

Either that or they moved to a State with a lower tax burden and are waiting to meet residency requirements before they claim their winnings.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:57:48pm

re: #27 Single-handed sailor

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*sigh* Who knew we’d end up pining for the days when the guy in the Oval Office could string together sentences in a fashion that made sense.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 12:59:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:01:43pm

Such a disgrace

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:02:13pm

When you care enough to send the very best…….

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:02:40pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

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That’s how dictators work, circumventing the legitimate government when they fail to get their way. Perhaps that’s the reason Trump has so much hate for Maduro: Envy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:03:24pm

Oh man,

Trump has no idea what kind of precedent he’s setting by calling a National Emergency.

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Targetpractice  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:04:24pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man,

Trump has no idea what kind of precedent he’s setting by calling a National Emergency.

He doesn’t really care, it’s all about getting what he wants. The GOP are the ones who are squirming, but they’re gonna allow it to happen because they live in absolute fear of their base.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:04:29pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man,

Trump has no idea what kind of precedent he’s setting by calling a National Emergency.

It’d matter if the GOP or the media which continually gives the GOP the benefit of the doubt cared about precedent at all. All that seems to matter is the almighty narrative.

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gwangung  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:04:33pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man,

Trump has no idea what kind of precedent he’s setting by calling a National Emergency.

You just needed the first four words.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:05:08pm

re: #13 Sufficient unto the day…

How is there a weather delay in my shipment? It’s 45 degrees and sunny where my package is at.

it stopped to get a tan?

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:06:40pm
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Myron Falwell  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:06:43pm

Trump finally took the exit ramp and avoided the prospect of another humiliating defeat.

The courts will need to overturn Youngstown Steel in order for his lost cause gambit to actually work. If that actually happens, I’ll eat my black felt beret and upload the evidence here lol

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:06:47pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:07:02pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

It’s not meant to hold up, that’s just a small benefit if it does. At this point, it’s about keeping his base happy, as it seems the efforts to get Faux to cover his ass have fallen flat.

surely

when he does leave office i would be it’s gonna be with at least one record better than any other president: most administration court cases lost

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:07:23pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

That’s how dictators work, circumventing the legitimate government when they fail to get their way. Perhaps that’s the reason Trump has so much hate for Maduro: Envy.

The GOP continues to count on the idea that a Democrat in power will not do what a Republican does.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:07:57pm

re: #17 KerFuFFler

(Responding to a comment from the previous thread)

The screwing of Central America started much earlier though. I recently read about the history of the United Fruit Company and their sleazy dealings there. In the 50’s, both the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA were brothers who were on the payroll of the UFC. They used their offices to help the company by engineering an “anti-communist” coup in Guatemala among other things.

Sadly, too much of our foreign policy is aimed at helping plutocrats plunder people out of sight of the American citizenry.

re: #19 Old Liberal

Unfortunately the citizenry has never given a fuck.

FYI, United Fruit never went away, it was just renamed Chiquita Brands in the 80s.

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:09:23pm
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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:10:18pm

Yes, we’re wary of never-trumpers, but this thread is 🔥

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:11:25pm

There’s lots of fucked up nonsense going on today.

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Citizen K  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:11:25pm

re: #43 Belafon

The GOP continues to count on the idea that a Democrat in power will not do what a Republican does.

And that’s because the media and actual Washington ‘establishment’ would not let a Dem do what Republicans do. Remember Obama EOs and ‘czars’? How they were screamed about by GOP and very ‘concerned’ ‘serious people’, and how that shit hamstrung Obama about what he was actually allowed to do? It’ll be the same exact thing when a Dem president gets the chair again, because it’s all about the double standards and feeding the idea that anything and everything a Republican does, no matter how batshit insane or incompetent they are, must be rightly valid by default, and anything a Dem does must be suspicious and foreign from the start.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:13:09pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

He doesn’t really care, it’s all about getting what he wants. The GOP are the ones who are squirming, but they’re gonna allow it to happen because they live in absolute fear of their base.

They live in absolute fear of Fox “News”, which controls the base.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:13:12pm

re: #17 KerFuFFler

(Responding to a comment from the previous thread)
#42 Happy Warrior

The screwing of Central America started much earlier though. I recently read about the history of the United Fruit Company and their sleazy dealings there. In the 50’s, both the Secretary of State and the head of the CIA were brothers who were on the payroll of the UFC. They used their offices to help the company by engineering an “anti-communist” coup in Guatemala among other things.

Sadly, too much of our foreign policy is aimed at helping plutocrats plunder people out of sight of the American citizenry.

a great book on the history from the food perspective:

Banana: The Fate of the Fruit That Changed the World

and yeah, it’s got all those players in it

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:14:32pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

They’re cool with it now, but will lose their fucking minds when President Harris declares a national emergency over climate change or gun violence.

‘that’s different’

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:14:49pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:15:32pm

re: #24 lawhawk

IOKIYAR.

They’ll move to impeach the moment a Democrat tries to do anything half approaching what Trump has done - including the widespread criminality of the Trump crime syndicate.

if we elect a D woman president, im not too worried about the makeup of congress. certainly not the house

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:16:37pm

More baffling BS.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:17:53pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

So if the president* doesn’t get the legislation he wants, he’ll just circumvent Congress by inventing a phony crisis and declaring a National Emergency, when there is no emergency.

Pretty sure that’s not how the Executive Branch is supposed to work.

it will be up to the other two co-equal branches of the government to say so

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:20:58pm

re: #45 Single-handed sailor

Narrator: He’s in the golf simulator.

sorry Rep Swalwell, I was hours ahead of you on that

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Myron Falwell  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:21:38pm

re: #52 lawhawk

When Speaker Pelosi dog walked him the way she did, what else was there besides giving up?

This is punting the issue because anyone with a brain can see that another shutdown would yield the exact same result as the last one. But he can’t give up outright as it is the lone issue his hard-right base is enthusiastic over, he needs it for 2020. A court overturning this declaration is really what he needs most.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:26:43pm

The nay votes:
Booker
Hawley
Lee
Sasse
Warren
Paul
Toomey
Rubio
Cotton
Gillibrand
Harris
Cruz
Markey
Scott (SC)
Inhofe
Braun

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:27:46pm

Right winger gets it (broken clock moment):

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:31:28pm

re: #59 lawhawk

Right winger gets it (broken clock moment):

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He’ll be tweeting insults at the Dem candidates too soon enough.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:31:35pm

re: #1 plansbandc

Look, it’s Pig-Eyes, the human blob-fish.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:32:55pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh man,

Trump has no idea what kind of precedent he’s setting by calling a National Emergency.

Of course I am not sure if it will happen, but it would be justice if the Supreme Court gets a case about this ‘national emergency’ and then tells Trump to pound some sand and all of them but Beer Kavanaugh are in majority with the majority written by Gorsuch.

I want Trump stinging and then bitching about The Fucking Supreme Court not being loyal to him.

And I want Beer Kavanaugh proving he is nothing but a lackey for Trump.

Yeah, I can dream.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:35:07pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:35:39pm

re: #36 Citizen K

It’d matter if the GOP or the media which continually gives the GOP the benefit of the doubt cared about precedent at all. All that seems to matter is the almighty narrative.

And that narrative is mainly the one about being his own man and willing to shake things up. The media loves that crap because they don’t have to form an opinion and it is bait for both backers and haters.

Bring on the hits! Bring on the subscriptions, who gives a goddamn about the country? Money is to be made.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:37:34pm

re: #58 lawhawk

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The nay votes:
Booker
Hawley
Lee
Sasse
Warren
Paul
Toomey
Rubio
Cotton
Gillibrand
Harris
Cruz
Markey
Scott (SC)
Inhofe
Braun

Why is every presidential candidate voting against it?!? Because it funds 55 new miles of non-wall barrier?

…because in my opinion that is not an excuse to force a shutdown on your terms; shutdowns always hurt the team that has to own them.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:39:47pm

re: #64 ObserverArt

And that narrative is mainly the one about being his own man and willing to shake things up. The media loves that crap because they don’t have to form an opinion and it is bait for both backers and haters.

Bring on the hits! Bring on the subscriptions who gives a goddamn about the country. Money is to be made.

while the objective truth to anyone with the brain of a rock can see he’s a not-up-to-the-job bullshitter who’s trying to bluff his way through

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:42:47pm

re: #65 Chrysicat

It’s the so-called principled stand… They knew it was passing, but wanted to show displeasure over funding the boondoggle wall. That’s also even as they fund other aspects of govt to keep it from being shut down.

Strategically, not great.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:44:04pm

re: #66 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

while the objective truth to anyone with the brain of a rock can see he’s a not-up-to-the-job bullshitter who’s trying to bluff his way through

That was just as true in the 2016 election, but Republicans didn’t care because magic (R) and enough swing/inconsistent voters crapped out one way or another to give the election to Trump. Aided and abetted of course by the usual massive (R) favoring tilt in the media and various other establishments.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:44:20pm

re: #67 lawhawk

Yep.

Sometimes you got to do the best you can with what you’ve got.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:46:40pm

re: #67 lawhawk

It’s the so-called principled stand… They knew it was passing, but wanted to show displeasure over funding the boondoggle wall. That’s also even as they fund other aspects of govt to keep it from being shut down.

Strategically, not great.

This is why it is usually difficult for a Senator to get elected president — too many difficult votes to maintain the purity that too many voters think is too important.

Obama was a rare exception to this rule, likely because he got it right on his most significant Senate vote (against the Iraq war).

Edited to add: Oops. Got it wrong. The Iraq vote was done before Obama was a Senator.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:47:45pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

This is why it is usually difficult for a Senator to get elected president — too many difficult votes to maintain the purity that too many voters think is too important.

Obama was a rare exception to this rule, likely because he got it right on his most significant Senate vote (against the Iraq war).

He was also in for a very short time.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:50:54pm

re: #49 Skip Intro

They live in absolute fear of Fox “News”, which controls the base.

And maybe a sign of life is the fact FOX News is losing ratings to of all people MSNBC.

With Rachel Maddow taking over the top political news program. Just think about that.

I sure hope that trend continues. I know a lot of people do not like Rachel’s style but fuck that shit.

Style is not important right now. Getting the message out, actually looking at the Constitution, teaching people a real viewpoint and comparing it against those like FOX is what is important.

There is a lot of age involved in all of this too. A lot of the problems we are seeing are the death throes of old bastards trying to get their last way for their families and money. An way to get in their last control and power of those they see as lesser. And they sold that to their age group that watches FOX, and it is all going away but not without a titanic fight.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:52:46pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

This is why it is usually difficult for a Senator to get elected president — too many difficult votes to maintain the purity that too many voters think is too important.

Obama was a rare exception to this rule, likely because he got it right on his most significant Senate vote (against the Iraq war).

Obama wasn’t in the Senate in 2003 when the Iraq War was voted on which I think supports your point.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:54:20pm
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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:55:20pm

re: #48 Citizen K

Sure, but the trump precedent is ignore and do anyway.
Let the fuckers in the press and DC lose their minds. Tough shit for them.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:55:58pm

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Obama wasn’t in the Senate in 2003 when the Iraq War was voted on which I think supports your point.

Thanks for the correction. Hillary voted the wrong way on that, and that was a legitimate problem for her in future (D) primaries.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:56:56pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

This is why it is usually difficult for a Senator to get elected president — too many difficult votes to maintain the purity that too many voters think is too important.

Obama was a rare exception to this rule, likely because he got it right on his most significant Senate vote (against the Iraq war).

And timing. He got into a run before he spent too much time in the senate.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:58:12pm

re: #67 lawhawk

It’s the so-called principled stand… They knew it was passing, but wanted to show displeasure over funding the boondoggle wall. That’s also even as they fund other aspects of govt to keep it from being shut down.

Strategically, not great.

Also possible that they bill didn’t have the caps they wanted on detention beds or they may have wanted DACA protections included…

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:58:14pm

re: #43 Belafon

The GOP continues to count on the idea that a Democrat in power will not do what a Republican does.

IMO Democrats must be harsh and unwielding or this shit never ends until our democracy is dead. We can do that and still live according to our best ideals. Leading by example doesn’t work with a bad-faith partner

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:58:50pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Such bullshit. More like 243 stone.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 1:59:20pm

re: #76 EPR-radar

Thanks for the correction. Hillary voted the wrong way on that, and that was a legitimate problem for her in future (D) primaries.

Definitely. If she voted differently. She wins the nomination in 2008.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:00:02pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:00:20pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:00:52pm

re: #79 Old Liberal

IMO Democrats must be harsh and unwielding or this shit never ends until our democracy is dead. We can do that and still live according to our best ideals. Leading by example doesn’t work with a bad-faith partner

Minimally, Faux News and Hate Radio are a legit national emergency that would justify bringing back the fairness doctrine and extending its reach to cable.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:02:05pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:02:06pm

re: #79 Old Liberal

IMO Democrats must be harsh and unwielding or this shit never ends until our democracy is dead. We can do that and still live according to our best ideals. Leading by example doesn’t work with a bad-faith partner

I’m not saying we should follow them. It’s a pattern the GOP continues to follow. “We’ll cut taxes, and if it tanks the economy, the Democrats will fix it.” “We can ignore the constitution, because Democrats will do the right thing when they’re in power.”

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:02:55pm

re: #86 Belafon

I’m not saying we should follow them. It’s a pattern the GOP continues to follow. “We’ll cut taxes, and if it tanks the economy, the Democrats will fix it.” “We can ignore the constitution, because Democrats will do the right thing when they’re in power.”

That pattern will be the death of us all. It must end.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:03:04pm

re: #46 Interesting Times

Yes, we’re wary of never-trumpers, but this thread is 🔥

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If this were personally addressed to McConnell and McCarthy with a cc to John Roberts I’d be impressed. Otherwise it is just waving your arms around. CALL THESE FUCKERS OUT BY NAME UNTIL THEY ANSWER OR GFY RICK

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:04:14pm

This is crazy
I just filled out my taxes, and although my my capital gains and dividends increase by over 100% this year, my tax liability is less than last year.
My return is about 30% less than last year. But, I was expecting to need to pay additional taxes.
Pretty obvious it’s the near doubling of the standard deduction that helped me.

I’m going to have to fill out a different online filing to see if Tax Act is calculating correctly. I’ve gotten differing results between them and H&R Block or Turbo Tax before. I just ain’t buying this yet.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:07:02pm

hey..if it’s an emergency, why are you waiting a whole day to announce it?

//

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:10:25pm

Dave Cullen, the author of Columbine, was on Nicole Wallace and he was talking about one of the Parkland students was asked “what are you going to do when the media goes away?”

The student answered they don’t need the old media they are connected already. He made it sound like that was made in a matter of fact, we got this manner.

Cullen then talked about how Parkland student activists are connected through social media and are keeping the whole thing alive, just underground.

He said they are attached to youth from middle schools up through college and other supporters. They will be heard during elections seems to be their goal.

I hope they can be true to their mission. They can make changes if they stay together. That is always the challenge too.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:12:43pm

IMO it’s time for Rick Wilson and Rubin to take down McConnel et al. That’s where the problem lies. But they won’t. And that says it all.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:13:17pm
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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:15:37pm

re: #93 jaunte

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They’re not going to all vote Democrat, but that would crush the GOP.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:21:37pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Roses are red
Violets are blue
Emergency powers
Are what tyrants do.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:26:02pm

re: #54 lawhawk

More baffling BS.

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The crazy part is that the doctor probably accidentally transposed the 4 and the 3, and Trump had meant it to read to 234…

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:26:38pm

re: #85 Sufficient unto the day…

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Doubt it. Luna? Maybe. Ceres? Yeah. I could imagine it there.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:30:40pm

re: #65 Chrysicat

Why is every presidential candidate voting against it?!? Because it funds 55 new miles of non-wall barrier?

…because in my opinion that is not an excuse to force a shutdown on your terms; shutdowns always hurt the team that has to own them.

Klobuchar, Bernie, Sherrod Brown — all appeared to vote yes so there were some who supported the legislation.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:33:18pm

re: #74 jaunte

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:33:33pm

re: #96 Mike Lamb

The crazy part is that the doctor probably accidentally transposed the 4 and the 3, and Trump had meant it to read to 234…

Did someone actually weigh Trump or did they just ask him to tell them his weight?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:35:20pm
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freetoken  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:36:02pm
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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:42:03pm

What are the odds he declares a national emergency to suspend the next election and cites “illegals voting”?

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:43:03pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:43:53pm

re: #101 Scottish Dragon

Yeah, but Palpatine was competent.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:45:04pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

What are the odds he declares a national emergency to suspend the next election?

As near to 100% as to be a rounding error, I’m afraid. If SCOTUS doesn’t stop him and the Senate doesn’t convict upon his now-inevitable impeachment, we’ll be relying on his successor eventually willingly surrendering power back to Congress.

Or on a military coup, since at that point, I’m no longer sure that it’s better to continue the illusion that “this is civilian rule” and their oath is still to the Constitution, not the King.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:46:03pm

re: #106 Chrysicat

As near to 100% as to be a rounding error, I’m afraid. If SCOTUS doesn’t stop him and the Senate doesn’t convict upon his now-inevitable impeachment, we’ll be relying on his successor eventually willingly surrendering power back to Congress.

Or on a military coup, since at that point, I’m no longer sure that it’s better to continue the illusion that “this is civilian rule” and their oath is still to the Constitution, not the King.

I’m sick of being terrified every day that we are circling the drain as a country.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:47:44pm
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freetoken  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:49:42pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

What are the odds he declares a national emergency to suspend the next election?

Elections are run by states. There are no compelling reasons any state would follow such a declaration.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:50:11pm

re: #62 ObserverArt

Of course I am not sure if it will happen, but it would be justice if the Supreme Court gets a case about this ‘national emergency’ and then tells Trump to pound some sand and all of them but Beer Kavanaugh are in majority with the majority written by Gorsuch.

I want Trump stinging and then bitching about The Fucking Supreme Court not being loyal to him.

And I want Beer Kavanaugh proving he is nothing but a lackey for Trump.

Yeah, I can dream.

Thomas will also be with the dissent because…Thomas…

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:51:19pm

re: #96 Mike Lamb

The crazy part is that the doctor probably accidentally transposed the 4 and the 3, and Trump had meant it to read to 234…

Don’t you mean transposed the 2 and the 3 (or 4…)?

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:53:07pm

re: #109 freetoken

Elections are run by states. There are no compelling reasons any state would follow such a declaration.

Elect Democrats to County Clerk positions. They matter. (We have a great one.)

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:56:55pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

What are the odds he declares a national emergency to suspend the next election and cites “illegals voting”?

That is either: 1) coup or 2) armed insurrection. Very possibly both.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:57:25pm

More responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

A man has been killed in Arizona after he asked a friend to shoot him while he wore a bulletproof vest, officials have said.

Parker Ray Lynch, 25, died after Steven Watson fired a round into his chest.

Lynch suffered abdomen wounds and died in hospital, the Graham County Sheriff’s Office said.

The death on Monday evening came after the pair and a third friend had been firing a shotgun at the vest in the state’s rural Central area.

Reports suggest Lynch then donned the vest and accompanying plate in order to be shot himself.

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:59:06pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:59:06pm
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sagehen  Feb 14, 2019 • 2:59:31pm

When Black Boxes are recovered from plane crash sites, the last words on a majority of them are “OH SHIT!!”

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:00:15pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:02:08pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:02:11pm

re: #106 Chrysicat

As near to 100% as to be a rounding error, I’m afraid. If SCOTUS doesn’t stop him and the Senate doesn’t convict upon his now-inevitable impeachment, we’ll be relying on his successor eventually willingly surrendering power back to Congress.

Or on a military coup, since at that point, I’m no longer sure that it’s better to continue the illusion that “this is civilian rule” and their oath is still to the Constitution, not the King.

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

What are the odds he declares a national emergency to suspend the next election and cites “illegals voting”?

I have repeated joked about this possibility but I don’t think that will happen. They may have the Russians cheat again, this time to guarantee he wins the popular vote but I do not believe that they will actually cancel the elections.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:02:13pm

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thomas will also be with the dissent because…Thomas…

I thought he would suck up to Roberts.

And in my dream it is Kavanaugh sticking out alone.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:03:35pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

Thanks for a good-news story. Made my day. No thoughts, no prayers, no fucks.

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:03:37pm
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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:05:34pm

Just heard audio of Mitch McConnel saying he told trump he will support his national emergency order. McConnell is the problem.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:08:09pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Elect Democrats to County Clerk positions. They matter. (We have a great one.)

Depends on the state/county/municipality.

Here in Nashville/Davidson County, our county election commission (as well as the election commissions for the other 94 counties) is appointed by the TN state election commission, who themselves are elected into their positions by a vote of the entire General Assembly, with the party holding a majority in the GA having a one-seat majority on the commission out of seven seats total (which has been the Republicans for the past fifteen years or so).

sos.tn.gov
nashville.gov

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RinaX  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:08:45pm

The Chicago police have located the persons of interest in the Jussie Smollett case and are questioning them. One of them is an Extra on Empire and apparently a friend of Jussie’s. Be prepared for a shitstorm. It just doesn’t look good.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:12:29pm

re: #123 jaunte

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So, he’ll sign the bill to keep government open, etc. first thing in the morning.

Then out to bullshit the press for a few questions and then on to the ‘copter to hit AF1 and fly to FLA by noon. Maybe earlier.

He’ll be raring to go tomorrow.

Got so much important executive time and he can do a lot of work on the flight. He’s amazing that way.

“Hello Sean? What do you think…”

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:14:06pm

re: #125 TedStriker

Depends on the state/county/municipality.

Here in Nashville/Davidson County, our county election commission (as well as the election commissions for the other 94 counties) is appointed by the TN state election commission, who themselves are elected into their positions by a vote of the entire General Assembly, with the party holding a majority in the GA having a one-seat majority on the commission out of seven seats total (which has been the Republicans for the past fifteen years or so).

Sometimes other things need fixing first. Then get Democratic county clerks. Or whathaveyou. I thought counties were all supposed to be the same. Was that just 3%er propaganda?

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:14:14pm

re: #124 Old Liberal

Just heard audio of Mitch McConnel saying he told trump he will support his national emergency order. McConnell is the problem.

He’s been the problem since, roughly, November 2010.

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:16:11pm

re: #124 Old Liberal

Just heard audio of Mitch McConnel saying he told trump he will support his national emergency order. McConnell is the problem.

I saw a bit of that video. I get the feeling Mitch is hoping to hang Trump on this emergency. So many are saying he has been trying sell that all along, but even Mitch has no real control on Orange Foolious. Does Mitch allow this, steps back and when it gets slammed and shown for the damn stretch it is he can say, I told you Mr. President? Just feels that way.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:18:23pm

Just a flyby.tRump and and the @GOP want to erase me.

Link

I will not be erased. I Exist. I will be heard.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:19:29pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

I saw a bit of that video. I get the feeling Mitch is hoping to hang Trump on this emergency. So many are saying he has been trying sell that all along, but even Mitch has no real control on Orange Foolious. Does Mitch allow this, steps back and when it gets slammed and shown for the damn stretch it is he can say, I told you Mr. President? Just feels that way.

Here’s something interesting about the national emergency law, per 50 USC 1622:

Not later than six months after a national emergency is declared, and not later than the end of each six-month period thereafter that such emergency continues, each House of Congress shall meet to consider a vote on a joint resolution to determine whether that emergency shall be terminated.

So, let’s say that Trump declares his national emergency tomorrow, that means on August 15, the Senate will have to vote on whether to continue the national emergency. Then again on February 15, 2020 (in the middle of the presidential primary) and then again in August 2020 right in time for the conventions.

That is assuming, of course, that it’s not struck down in the Courts. And since one of the most well known (among lawyers) cases on presidential powers is directly on point, I’m guessing it’s going to get struck down.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:19:50pm

re: #70 EPR-radar

This is why it is usually difficult for a Senator to get elected president — too many difficult votes to maintain the purity that too many voters think is too important.

Obama was a rare exception to this rule, likely because he got it right on his most significant Senate vote (against the Iraq war).

Edited to add: Oops. Got it wrong. The Iraq vote was done before Obama was a Senator.

that hasnt stopped the other side from pillorying him his senate vote on the war anyway

no snark tags because that is what many of the ignorati did

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jaunte  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:20:12pm

Matt Schlapp, celebrating the crime a little early.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:21:55pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

I saw a bit of that video. I get the feeling Mitch is hoping to hang Trump on this emergency. So many are saying he has been trying sell that all along, but even Mitch has no real control on Orange Foolious. Does Mitch allow this, steps back and when it gets slammed and shown for the damn stretch it is he can say, I told you Mr. President? Just feels that way.

He doesn’t have to say he supports it if he wants to hang trump. He can say “it’s the presidents decision”. But he said “I support it”. I won’t hold my breath waiting for Wilson or Rubin to rain pain on him personally. Fuck them.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:23:07pm

re: #65 Chrysicat

Why is every presidential candidate voting against it?!? Because it funds 55 new miles of non-wall barrier?

…because in my opinion that is not an excuse to force a shutdown on your terms; shutdowns always hurt the team that has to own them.

Every presidential candidate, Republican and Democrat (I see you Paul, Cruz, and Rubio)

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:24:41pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More one less responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

ghoulish?

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:24:50pm

re: #124 Old Liberal

Just heard audio of Mitch McConnel saying he told trump he will support his national emergency order. McConnell is the problem.

Republicans are the problem. Sure McConnell is an especially rancid piece of festering pus-shit, but if he were gone any plausible GOP replacement as GOP Senate majority leader would be just as bad.

The Republican party is a death cult, and it will either be excised from America like the cancer that it is, or it will destroy the country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:25:06pm

re: #134 jaunte

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Matt Schlapp, celebrating the crime a little early.

Yeah because Sessions wasn’t subservient enough for Herr Crap Schlapp.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:26:11pm

re: #130 ObserverArt

I saw a bit of that video. I get the feeling Mitch is hoping to hang Trump on this emergency. So many are saying he has been trying sell that all along, but even Mitch has no real control on Orange Foolious. Does Mitch allow this, steps back and when it gets slammed and shown for the damn stretch it is he can say, I told you Mr. President? Just feels that way.

I disagree. Mitch is totally on board with this President. He has been trying to sabotage this country since he became Majority Leader; he wants single party rule and he sees Trump as the means to attain this objective.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:27:45pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Yeah because Sessions wasn’t subservient enough for Herr Crap Schlapp.

Sessions had to recuse himself; Barr doesn’t.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:28:53pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:29:21pm

re: #141 Hecuba’s daughter

Sessions had to recuse himself; Barr doesn’t.

Exactly.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:29:34pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

Republicans are the problem. Sure McConnell is an especially rancid piece of festering pus-shit, but if he were gone any plausible GOP replacement as GOP Senate majority leader would be just as bad.

The Republican party is a death cult, and it will either be excised from America like the cancer that it is, or it will destroy the country.

I agree but you take them one at a time starting from the top by attacking, revealing, ridiculing by never trumpers. Sniping at trump is fun but futile.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:29:56pm

re: #142 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Yeah. I’m not a fan of Maduro’s government but this isn’t going to end well.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:30:37pm
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:30:44pm

re: #138 EPR-radar

Republicans are the problem. Sure McConnell is an especially rancid piece of festering pus-shit, but if he were gone any plausible GOP replacement as GOP Senate majority leader would be just as bad.

The Republican party is a death cult, and it will either be excised from America like the cancer that it is, or it will destroy the country.

the way the senate is run - essentially by one person, and the house whose speaker (so far) has been elected by less people than the senate majority leader, plus the moronic hastert rule in the house are the major bottlenecks to getting anything done

it was never intended that unless you were the majority party you had absolutely no power to do anything (except filibuster)

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:30:48pm

Out to enjoy the beautiful mountain sunset.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:32:41pm

RadioFreeTom not totes on our side yet after all:

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:33:12pm

re: #144 Old Liberal

I agree but you take them one at a time starting from the top by attacking, revealing, ridiculing by never trumpers. Sniping at trump is fun but futile.

I’m starting to think the very existence of Trump in the role of President right now is a distraction from the real dirt that’s going on. And I’m not a very paranoid person.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:34:20pm

re: #147 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

the way the senate is run - essentially by one person, and the house whose speaker (so far) has been elected by less people than the senate majority leader, plus the moronic hastert rule in the house are the major bottlenecks to getting anything done

it was never intended that unless you were the majority party you had absolutely no power to do anything (except filibuster)

This is a relatively recent development, and may have something to do with the parties becoming more ideologically stable. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats are about as common as the Mammoth these days. As a result there’s less need to bring in members of the minority to help move legislation.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:34:22pm

re: #145 HappyWarrior

Yeah. I’m not a fan of Maduro’s government but this isn’t going to end well.

Yeah, but the “Plane full of weapons” was a tad hyperbolic too.
That tag is a bit much for a 19 rifles supposedly delivered via a 757

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Varek Raith  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:34:23pm

re: #134 jaunte

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Matt Schlapp, celebrating the crime a little early.

JFC, you don’t say that outloud!

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:36:53pm

re: #67 lawhawk

It’s the so-called principled stand… They knew it was passing, but wanted to show displeasure over funding the boondoggle wall. That’s also even as they fund other aspects of govt to keep it from being shut down.

Strategically, not great.

Okay, that explains some of them, but Tim Scott?? Can’t find anything that explains his no vote—very uncharacteristic of his sycophantic ways.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:40:14pm

Real story is probably that they can’t get financing

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:43:52pm

re: #135 Old Liberal

He doesn’t have to say he supports it if he wants to hang trump. He can say “it’s the presidents decision”. But he said “I support it”. I won’t hold my breath waiting for Wilson or Rubin to rain pain on him personally. Fuck them.

Trump only likes positive answers. “I support it” is just that. Trump wouldn’t like Mitch that say’s it’s the presidents decision because that shows he doesn’t have Donny’s back. Donny likes that loyalty. One way loyalty.

Put another way. Who ever would trust fucking McConnell anyway?

It’s snakes all the way down.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:43:59pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

Well shucks! We done got ourselves Another Darwin Award Winner®!

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:44:11pm

re: #154 BeachDem

Okay, that explains some of them, but Tim Scott?? Can’t find anything that explains his no vote—very uncharacteristic of his sycophantic ways.

Maybe he doesn’t think it goes far enough? That’s probably why Cotton, Cruz, and I suspect Rubio voted against it.

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:44:51pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:45:18pm

re: #151 KGxvi

This is a relatively recent development, and may have something to do with the parties becoming more ideologically stable. Liberal Republicans and conservative Democrats are about as common as the Mammoth these days. As a result there’s less need to bring in members of the minority to help move legislation.

I remain deeply discouraged by a historical point I saw some time ago, to the effect that the two party system in America is able to function in a normal way (i.e., rational political compromises etc.) only when the two parties don’t essentially differ on issues of race.

E.g., from 1877 to roughly 1955 or so, the system worked because the parties agreed that racists in the South could do what they pleased, as long as they didn’t bring back literal black slavery. In fact, racists nationwide had a free hand anywhere they had enough local control (yay federalism?), because of lack of meaningful Federal civil rights laws and enforcement thereof.

In the decades before 1860, the Whigs died out and the new two party system was dominated by an intractable division over slavery.

Since 1955, the two party system had been mostly defined by Republican pandering to resentments of racists and other discontented bigots, creating another intractable division in US politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:46:27pm

re: #111 Jebediah, RBG

Don’t you mean transposed the 2 and the 3 (or 4…)?

I vote for reading the 234 backwards…

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:46:41pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

Sometimes other things need fixing first. Then get Democratic county clerks. Or whathaveyou. I thought counties were all supposed to be the same. Was that just 3%er propaganda?

Hell if I know ;-)

County clerks here in TN are a different beast then what you may be familiar with in NM, which is why I laid out the election commissions setup here in TN; at least to the Davidson County Election Commission and TN Election Commission’s credit, elections pretty much happens as they should, with no partisan fuckery, such as what happened in GA last year, that I’m aware of).

Here in TN, county clerks collect fees and taxes for things like vehicle registrations, business permits, marriage licenses, and notary public licenses; in other counties, they may also collect property taxes, but here in Nashville, there’s a separate trustee for those.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:47:00pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Elect Democrats to County Clerk positions. They matter. (We have a great one.)

and Secretaries of State

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:47:26pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

I vote for reading the 234 backwards…

Amusing, but 280-290 is probably where Trump weighs in.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:48:53pm

re: #152 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, but the “Plane full of weapons” was a tad hyperbolic too.
That tag is a bit much for a 19 rifles supposedly delivered via a 757

Exactly. This could be as simple as someone getting the cargo containers mixed up and putting guns on the wrong plane.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:49:21pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

That’s an interesting point, and I’m going to have to think on it for a bit. It is fair to say that as a nation we’ve never really been “good” on issues of race - from slavery to the Chinese Exclusion Act, to Jim Crow, to the treatment of any immigrants not deemed sufficiently “white” upon their arrival (the Irish, Italians, Mexicans, Cubans).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:50:28pm

re: #121 ObserverArt

I thought he would suck up to Roberts.

And in my dream it is Kavanaugh sticking out alone.

naw…Thomas will never agree with the majority if there is at least one other dissenter.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:50:56pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Secretaries of State

Yeah, ours here in TN (Tre Hargett) is a standard-issue trad GOP peach, with a (expected, for the South) twist:

In September 2017, Hargett said he was in favor of keeping the Nathan Bedford Forrest Bust inside the Tennessee State Capitol.

en.wikipedia.org

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:52:36pm

re: #135 Old Liberal

He doesn’t have to say he supports it if he wants to hang trump. He can say “it’s the presidents decision”. But he said “I support it”. I won’t hold my breath waiting for Wilson or Rubin to rain pain on him personally. Fuck them.

I’m still suspicious of all the never-Trumpers, but Rubin has, at least, been consistent in calling out the assholes in Congress as well as the thing in charge.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:52:42pm

re: #163 Backwoods_Sleuth

and Secretaries of State

We have a good Democrat now. The Republican before last went to jail, then we had an acting SoS, then another R, then we took care of business. And politics.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:54:19pm

I’m never buying anything from Amazon ever again. Ever.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:54:47pm

re: #129 KGxvi

He’s been the problem since, roughly, November 2010.

1984, actually…

what a freaking coincidence!!!!

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:55:13pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

naw…Thomas will never agree with the majority if there is at least one other dissenter.

For what it’s worth, the Youngstown Steel case was a 6-3 decision. The official majority opinion was by Justice Black, but there were five concurrences, with Jackson’s being the most famous/cited.

I’m curious if any members of the conservative block on the Court have written about and/or cited Youngstown Steel, but alas, I do not have access to westlaw or lexis these days.

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wrenchwench  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:55:58pm

re: #169 BeachDem

I’m still suspicious of all the never-Trumpers, but Rubin has, at least, been consistent in calling out the assholes in Congress as well as the thing in charge.

[Embedded content]

New broom sweeps clean, old broom knows where the dirt is. Especially if they’ve been hanging out together.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:56:11pm

re: #172 Backwoods_Sleuth

1984, actually…

what a freaking coincidence!!!!

I went with 2010 because that’s the election he became majority leader.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:58:43pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Amusing, but 280-290 is probably where Trump weighs in.

I’ve been fat. He’s well over 300 pounds. And he’s not 6’3”, either!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 14, 2019 • 3:59:42pm

re: #171 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

I’m never buying anything from Amazon ever again. Ever.

Unfortunately most other big corporations do the same thing. If you boycotted them all, you’d have very few options left.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:00:03pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

I vote for reading the 234 backwards…

It’s 234 Kilograms…or 515.88 pounds which means he’s in Orson Welles territory

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Mike Lamb  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:00:57pm

GOP under Obama: Unappointed Czars! Muh democracy! Bring me my fainting couch! Impeachment!

GOP under Trump: A national emergency to confiscate money and land for the wall is totes the democraciest.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:01:26pm

re: #173 KGxvi

For what it’s worth, the Youngstown Steel case was a 6-3 decision. The official majority opinion was by Justice Black, but there were five concurrences, with Jackson’s being the most famous/cited.

I’m curious if any members of the conservative block on the Court have written about and/or cited Youngstown Steel, but alas, I do not have access to westlaw or lexis these days.

You think, other than possibly Roberts, the GOP SC judges care about precedent, unless it supports their view?

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Decatur Deb  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:02:34pm

In Greater Bumfuck, Alabama, a mattress store owner just donned a garish yellow wig and lampooned a sacred figure for his Presidents’ Day TV comercial.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:03:03pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

Amusing, but 280-290 is probably where Trump weighs in.

I think it was probably 324.

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BeachDem  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:03:36pm

re: #158 KGxvi

Maybe he doesn’t think it goes far enough? That’s probably why Cotton, Cruz, and I suspect Rubio voted against it.

Checked his website, twitter account, local papers—not a word about his nay vote. Curiouser and curiouser.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:06:37pm

re: #180 Hecuba’s daughter

You think, other than possibly Roberts, the GOP SC judges care about precedent, unless it supports their view?

Depending on the case, yes. This is one of those cases where even the most partisan members of the Court are going to have to stop and think about what happens when the other party is in control of the executive branch. Beyond that, these types of cases about this type of executive power don’t get a lot of attention even within Federalist Society circles (I know, I’ve been in those circles). It’s not sexy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:07:26pm

re: #134 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Matt Schlapp, celebrating the crime a little early.

Sessions wasn’t “a fully confirmed operational Attorney General”?

Well, I’m shocked…

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Jay C  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:10:22pm

re: #185 Backwoods_Sleuth

Sessions wasn’t “a fully confirmed operational Attorney General”?

Well, I’m shocked…

I think the important - and scary - word here is “operational”.
Operational for what being the frightening part….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:14:11pm

WINNING ! ! !

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:14:18pm

re: #184 KGxvi

Depending on the case, yes. This is one of those cases where even the most partisan members of the Court are going to have to stop and think about what happens when the other party is in control of the executive branch. Beyond that, these types of cases about this type of executive power don’t get a lot of attention even within Federalist Society circles (I know, I’ve been in those circles). It’s not sexy.

Out of curiosity, is there more to the Federalist society than a desire to let anti-choice nut jobs eliminate the idea of unenumerated rights, combined with striking down all regulations on big business as somehow infringing on (unenumerated) ‘rights’ of corporations.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:16:47pm

re: #137 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

ghoulish?

Perhaps, but with 50 or more completely innocent people being shot dead every day largely so untrained, un-licensed, and unintelligent yahoos can have guns to play with, I just don’t have much sympathy left when the latter happen to self-eradicate without hurting anyone else.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:17:01pm
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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:17:14pm

re: #186 Jay C

I think the important - and scary - word here is “operational”.
Operational for what being the frightening part….

Operational for the purpose of ending the Mueller investigation. Because the most important thing for Trump and his supporters is ending that investigation.

We really do have a situation where a mob boss is also the boss of the most relevant anti-mob law enforcement, and Trump’s incompetence in running with the hounds and the hares simultaneously may be the only thing that finally does him in.

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:17:59pm

re: #134 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Matt Schlapp, celebrating the crime a little early.

They seem to forget Mueller has already prepared for this.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:18:02pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Isn’t every day a day for wingnuts to be festering racists on Twitter?

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Alephnaught  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:20:02pm

Huge transporter aircraft, resembling a dolphin with wings, flies over the UK.

MASSIVE Airbus BELUGA XL Transporter FLYPAST at Bristol Filton Airport (FIRST VISIT TO UK!)

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:20:21pm

re: #184 KGxvi

Depending on the case, yes. This is one of those cases where even the most partisan members of the Court are going to have to stop and think about what happens when the other party is in control of the executive branch. Beyond that, these types of cases about this type of executive power don’t get a lot of attention even within Federalist Society circles (I know, I’ve been in those circles). It’s not sexy.

But maybe they are plotting to make sure that Democrats will no longer be able to control Congress or Presidency through voting rules that would provide for widespread disenfranchisement of minorities. The damage that the RW takeover of our judicial system may be unlimited.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:20:49pm

re: #188 EPR-radar

Out of curiosity, is there more to the Federalist society than a desire to let anti-choice nut jobs eliminate the idea of unenumerated rights, combined with striking down all regulations on big business as somehow infringing on (unenumerated) ‘rights’ of corporations.

With the disclosure that it’s been about a decade since I’ve been deep in those circles…

Most FedSoc members are just attorneys looking to get MCLE credit and/or network. Among those that think about the “big questions” there used to be a decent amount of debate about things like unenumerated rights (Randy Barnett wrote a lot about it back in the day), and there was a real split between conservatives and libertarians on those kinds of issues. I’m not entirely sure how or why it changed in the last decade, perhaps I need to reach out to some people I used to know back then and see).

Probably the strangest thing I remember hearing at a FedSoc event was a speaker talking about repealing the 17th Amendment - all of the law students at my table looked at each other like “wow, that’s crazy.”

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:21:11pm

re: #157 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well shucks! We done got ourselves Another Darwin Award Winner®!

And he did win.

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:22:02pm

re: #193 EPR-radar

Isn’t every day a day for wingnuts to be festering racists on Twitter?

They are celebrating today because they did not beat up an African-American and put a noose around his neck, it’s not every day they can celebrate that.

//

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:22:31pm

re: #169 BeachDem

I’m still suspicious of all the never-Trumpers, but Rubin has, at least, been consistent in calling out the assholes in Congress as well as the thing in charge.

[Embedded content]

She called out McConnell explicitly. I hope that’s good enough for some here.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:23:13pm

Sen. Richard Burr has been seen as relatively bipartisan compared to Devin Nunes. This is a good article reminding us that Burr has repeatedly contradicted what he has been told by intelligence community in order to deflect from Trump since serving Trump’s campaign as national security advisor.

justsecurity.org

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:23:24pm

re: #196 KGxvi

Repealing the 17th amendment is definitely a hard core right wing nut job view. About the only way to get crazier than that would have been to start entertaining sovereign citizen legal crankery.

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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:23:46pm

re: #103 Scottish Dragon

No question. Martial Law too. If he gets away with this, this country is over.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:24:10pm
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:25:35pm

re: #155 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

There is no doubt in my mind that if Dump was to liquidate everything tomorrow, he would have a negative net worth. His business(es) probably “make” just enough to cover the interest payments, nothing more.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:25:54pm

re: #196 KGxvi

With the disclosure that it’s been about a decade since I’ve been deep in those circles…

……

Probably the strangest thing I remember hearing at a FedSoc event was a speaker talking about repealing the 17th Amendment - all of the law students at my table looked at each other like “wow, that’s crazy.”

They are assiduously working on that — that’s one of the proposals from the “Convention of States” that ALEC and the Koch Bros are working on establishing. My Texas brother thinks that’s a great idea. These people really want a plutocracy and are devoting their lives to make it a reality.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:26:22pm

re: #203 Skip Intro

Six feet tall, 300 plus tax.

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:28:40pm

re: #199 Belafon

She called out McConnell explicitly. I hope that’s good enough for some here.

The problem with never-Trump Republicans is that they are still Republicans. Since Republicans are the Party of Trump, their being Republicans is still effectively supporting Trump.

Just imagine if every Republican member of Congress and talking head that has made a strong statement vs. Trump actually followed through on that with some action. E.g., for the members of Congress, caucus with the Democrats or GTFO.

The talking heads can’t act so directly, but it would still make a difference if they abandoned the GOP en masse.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:29:20pm

re: #203 Skip Intro

]

Officially obtuse, too, according to all qualified observers (ie non-GOPers).

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Belafon  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:29:59pm

I see we’re going down the “the country is over” route again. How many times has it been over since 2016?

If you’re worried, make sure you join some group to resist all of the stuff he migh try. Find a group that is ready to sue his ass and donate. Write your congresscritter to block it and file impeachment. Help David Hogg get young adults registered and voting

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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:33:41pm

re: #164 EPR-radar

I think he’s easily 3 bills.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:35:16pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Should be a Fox News Alert! Won’t be though.

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:37:33pm

re: #211 Skip Intro

Should be a Fox News Alert! Won’t be though.

Scale Breaking News

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Chrysicat  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:38:46pm
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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:41:32pm

re: #208 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Officially obtuse, too, according to all qualified observers (ie non-GOPers).

Obese, Obtuse and Obnoxious.

NO3.

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:43:11pm

re: #176 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I’ve been fat. He’s well over 300 pounds. And he’s not 6’3”, either!

I’m 6’ & 320. He weighs quite a bit more than I do, I would bet.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:44:15pm

Random thoughts.

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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:46:27pm

re: #176 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I’ve been fat. He’s well over 300 pounds. And he’s not 6’3”, either!

Well, I’m old, and short (5’) and two years ago, weighed 232. There is no frickin’ WAY he is 243! And my “son” is just under six feet, and weighs in the 260 range. And Trump sure looks heavier than my “son” does, even if he is 6’1” or so. I’m guessing the 280 range.

And I have lost about 40 pounds; just a heck of a long way to go!

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:48:31pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:50:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:51:13pm
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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:52:34pm

Trump will declare a National Emergency tomorrow, then fly to a secret location in Florida to command operations from the Trumper Bunker.

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Interesting Times  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:53:05pm
223
Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:54:01pm

re: #222 Interesting Times

But he’s got the blood pressure of a 30 year old athelete.

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Danack  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:55:56pm
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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:56:41pm
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retired cynic  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:56:48pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

OK. With that photo, I’ll go for the over 300 bet….

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 4:58:33pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

re: #157 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well shucks! We done got ourselves Another Darwin Award Winner®!

re: #197 Belafon

And he did win.

#1 with a bullet!

*ducks*

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:04:28pm

re: #223 Skip Intro

But he’s got the blood pressure of a 30 year old athelete.

He has the heart of an 18 year old. It was a present from Kirstjen Nielsen and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:05:22pm

Happy Valentines day everyone! Emergency? What emergency?

230
The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:06:40pm

OH HAI MY PIE

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:07:20pm

re: #114 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

More responsble gun owners.
Man dies after asking friend to shoot him while he wore bulletproof vest

This is actually a fairly common occurrence. It was even more common when surplus military flak jackets were widely available. As every GI knows, these will not stop bullets, nor were they meant to. Many a yokel did not know, though, and “hold mah beer,” became their final words.

They shot the shit out of the vest with a shotgun first. I mean it was a stupid goddamned stunt to begin with but kevlar and plates absorb energy via permanent deformation. After it had been shot once it should have only ever been used as a target.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:09:18pm

re: #229 Unshaken Defiance

I just saw this on the local PBS home page.
whyy.org

If he does it he will be in a lot hot water.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:09:33pm

re: #199 Belafon

She called out McConnell explicitly. I hope that’s good enough for some here.

Good start. More needed. The nation is threatened. Good start.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:12:55pm

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EPR-radar  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:14:16pm

re: #223 Skip Intro

But he’s got the blood pressure of a 30 year old athelete.

Trump may be on meds that have lowered blood pressure as a side effect.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:20:33pm

re: #231 goddamnedfrank

They shot the shit out of the vest with a shotgun first. I mean it was a stupid goddamned stunt to begin with but kevlar and plates absorb energy via permanent deformation. After it had been shot once it should have only ever been used as a target.

Without someone in it.

Morons gonna moron.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:23:28pm

The cold-hearted bastard in me wished the mountain lion got a good dinner. Instead dude crushed its neck with his boot.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:31:03pm

re: #237 teleskiguy

The cold-hearted bastard in me wished the mountain lion got a good dinner. Instead dude crushed its neck with his boot.

Uhh, did you read the whole story? The cougar attacked him and had his jaw locked on one of his arms; the dude wasn’t out looking to kill a damn cougar in a trophy hunt, this was self-defense. Also, if he hadn’t killed or incapacitated it, chances are it would’ve still went after him if had had gotten it to break its grip, maybe killing him.

Kauffman said he was running at the Horsetooth Mountain Open Space, about 65 miles northwest of Denver, when he heard pine needles rustling and turned his head only to come face-to-face with a young cougar.

“I was bummed out to see a mountain lion,” he said at a news conference in Fort Collins, Colorado, where the environmental consultant lives with his girlfriend.

Kauffman raised his arms and shouted at the cougar, but it pounced and locked its jaw on his right wrist and clawed at his face. His attempts to halt the attack by stabbing the predator with sticks and hitting it on the head with a rock were to no avail.

Ultimately, he was able to pin the cougar down and put his foot on its neck and choke it until it stopped thrashing. He worried during the struggle that another cougar would come along and join the tussle.

“My fear response turned into more of a fight response,” he said.

I’m sorry, but I can’t see that the guy did anything wrong, given the situation; he had a right to defend himself and end the threat by any means at his disposal.

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Jebediah, RBG  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:35:22pm

re: #161 Backwoods_Sleuth

That seems right…

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:36:30pm

re: #238 TedStriker

I know what happened. I still think humans are a garbage species and the mountain lion should have prevailed. I guess I’m a horrible asshole.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:37:04pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:41:11pm
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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:45:28pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

Giphy

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:46:57pm

I think I’ve seen this movie.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:50:45pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

I know what happened. I still think humans are a garbage species and the mountain lion should have prevailed. I guess I’m a horrible asshole.

Cheer for whatever team you wish.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:52:01pm

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

I think I’ve seen this movie.

[Embedded content]

At least it is difficult to buy a gun.
//

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:52:10pm

re: #245 Old Liberal

Cheer for whatever team you wish.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:53:05pm

re: #246 Old Liberal

At least it is difficult to buy a gun.
//

It’s Detroit: the most violent border city in the nation.

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dell*nix  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:33:57pm

re: #234 Ace Rothstein

May be late but, “Better dead than Red!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:56:47pm

re: #240 teleskiguy

I know what happened. I still think humans are a garbage species and the mountain lion should have prevailed. I guess I’m a horrible asshole.

The nihilist in me tends to agree with this assessment. We have become an intestinal parasite on the surface of the planet.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 15, 2019 • 6:17:39am

re: #47 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

There’s lots of fucked up nonsense going on today.

I’m sure all the free speech whiners are appalled by this, right?


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