The Bob Cesca Podcast: Carol Burnett’s Batphone

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Carol Burnett’s Batphone — NSFW; Jody Hamilton is here with an EXCLUSIVE story about singer Ryan Adams and the sex related charges against him; McCabe, Trump and the 25th Amendment; The Deep State Coup narrative kicks in; Trump begged Lou Dobbs and Hannity for help; Alex Jones will be deposed under oath; Crazies In Cars Getting Conspiracies; Paul Manafort stripped of plea deal; Direct vs Circumstantial Evidence; Trump’s poll numbers are up and everything sucks; and so much more.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:53:11pm
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Unabogie  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:53:57pm

So Trump declared his emergency and will now try to illegally steal taxpayer’s money to pay for his racist wall. What happens next?

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:55:17pm

re: #2 Unabogie

So Trump declared his emergency and will now try to illegally steal taxpayer’s money to pay for his racist wall. What happens next?

Send lawyers, guns and money.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:56:32pm

I was just catching up on a couple of threads and saw the Kevin Kruse vs. D’know over “black face.” Fun trivia fact: in 1854 when Commodore Matthew Perry returned to Japan to co-sign a treaty opening the country beyond its relations with Chinese and Dutch at Nagasaki (and Koreans through Tsushima) both countries tried to impress the other. The Japanese put on a sumo wrestling exhibition. The Americans treated the Japanese to a minstrel show.

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:57:03pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Send lawyers, guns and money.

The shit has hit the fan.

Giphy

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Charles Johnson  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:57:20pm

But seriously, I expect some lawsuits to be filed tomorrow.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 5:59:14pm

Ah…. direct versus circumstantial evidence.

DNA evidence is what folks…. you know, this is the stuff of CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, and countless tv prosecutions to convictions? Yeah, that’s circumstantial evidence. It’s more than sufficient to put someone in prison.

Fingerprints? That’s actually circumstantial because it requires interpretation and analysis resulting in a conclusion by an expert about it.

Financial records that show money transfers? Yeah, that too.

So yeah, we put people away in prison on circumstantial evidence all the time. Mobsters, murderers, rapists, all of them. Some even get acquitted on charges based on circumstantial evidence.

The right wingers are all trying to pin their hopes on circumstantial evidence? Who the fuck are they kidding but themselves.

Take it away Rep. Swalwell.

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lawhawk  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:00:48pm

re: #2 Unabogie

So Trump declared his emergency and will now try to illegally steal taxpayer’s money to pay for his racist wall. What happens next?

They’ve floated the idea that they’re declaring a national emergency tomorrow.

It went over like a lead balloon - or an already aflame Hindenburg, or an already sinking Titanic.

He might still do it tomorrow, and the lawsuits will come within minutes of the declaration.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:03:01pm

AWWWWW

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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:04:45pm

Thread.

Humans are slowly and systematically destroying the surface habitability of the planet. Yes, I am not a fan of humans.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:05:12pm

Here’s the most convoluted bullshit justification you’ll see today.

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Skip Intro  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:07:48pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

I’ve always said that Judas got a bum rap.

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Unabogie  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:11:11pm

re: #8 lawhawk

They’ve floated the idea that they’re declaring a national emergency tomorrow.

It went over like a lead balloon - or an already aflame Hindenburg, or an already sinking Titanic.

He might still do it tomorrow, and the lawsuits will come within minutes of the declaration.

Ah, I should have double-checked. I saw some headlines earlier today and assumed he did it.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:11:50pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

Here’s the most convoluted bullshit justification you’ll see today.

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Makes sense, when Jesus comes back they’ll need to kill him again

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:13:48pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:15:23pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

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ObserverArt  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:15:30pm

Trump’s got to get in some victim-of-Nancy-radicals blaming and also demonstrate to the base that he is reluctant all the way up until tee time.

It’s always Trump TeeVee.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:16:59pm

re: #12 Skip Intro

I’ve always said that Judas got a bum rap.

I could never figure out why they needed an inside betrayal to arrest him. He reportedly gave speeches in public. And the kiss thing… can you imagine the lineup and you say “it’s the one I kiss” and the police say nah you can just point with your finger

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:18:04pm

More Q-anon bullshit

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:18:41pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

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“We needed the Holocaust because without it we wouldn’t have Israel and a feigned respect for Jews.” ///////

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:20:41pm

re: #20 Barefoot Grin

“We needed the Holocaust because without it we wouldn’t have Israel and a feigned respect for Jews.” ///////

Which is why Hitler did god’s work. Just like somebody else.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:20:52pm

re: #18 Old Liberal

I could never figure out why they needed an inside betrayal to arrest him. He reportedly gave speeches in public. And the kiss thing… can you imagine the lineup and you say “it’s the one I kiss” and the police say nah you can just point with your finger

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:21:00pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Same kind of person is convinced Hillary Clinton and the Deep State fixed the election so that she would lose to Donald Trump, just so they could go after Trump and remove him from office and make Clinton president.

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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:25:20pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

I had a lot of unanswered questions as a lad.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:26:02pm

re: #23 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Same kind of person is convinced Hillary Clinton and the Deep State fixed the election so that she would lose to Donald Trump, just so they could go after Trump and remove him from office and make Clinton president.

Because, frankly, it sounds like something they would do, because they’re just that stupid.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:26:33pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

It makes for a compelling story, when you’re trying to convince people your chosen prophet is the bestest evah and they should follow him.

What I could never wrap my head around was why God, his omniscient/omnipresent father, let Jesus be arrested, imprisoned and then killed. Like, couldn’t Jesus have done a better job spreading the Word if he’d been allowed to live a bit longer?

Not sure I could trust a father who would let his own son die, just because.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:28:14pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:29:01pm
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Old Liberal  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:29:30pm

re: #26 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It makes for a compelling story, when you’re trying to convince people your chosen prophet is the bestest evah and they should follow him.

What I could never wrap my head around was why God, his omniscient/omnipresent father, let Jesus be arrested, imprisoned and then killed. Like, couldn’t Jesus have done a better job spreading the Word if he’d been allowed to live a bit longer?

Not sure I could trust a father who would let his own son die, just because.

Have you read any of Bart Ehrman’s books? Very scholarly analysis of the ancient texts.

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TedStriker  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:30:26pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

Because, at its heart, the Bible, just as with the Torah, the Quran, and every other holy book/script, is a flawed document written by flawed people, colored by their flawed points-of-view, biases, and agendas.

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:31:52pm

A commenter over at TPM says Pelosi has a hell of an ace up her sleeve.

As I understand it, it’s built into the Natnioal Emergency act that each house of Congress can call a vote to revoke it, which Speaker Pelosi certainly will do right away, and it will probably pass. That will trigger a matching “privileged” vote in the Senate, which means McConnell has to bring it to the floor. The R’s in the Senate will HATE going on record even if they vote it down, for all sorts of reasons. Which is why I’m surprised McConnell wasn’t able to stop Trump from doing it.

Great idea. Put every one of these enablers on the record as to where they stand on what Trump is doing.

Then let them try to wash the stink off before 2020. Won’t work.

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stpaulbear  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:34:42pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

When people tell me that Christ died for my sins, I always meet them halfway by agreeing with the first part.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:36:04pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:36:38pm

re: #31 makeitstop

A commenter over at TPM says Pelosi has a hell of an ace up her sleeve.

Great idea. Put every one of these enablers on the record as to where they stand on what Trump is doing.

Then let them try to wash the stink off before 2020. Won’t work.

My GOP Senator Cory Gardner has already gone on record about Fuckface Von Clownstick.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:37:03pm

Anyone watching Russian Dolls on Netflix? I’m enjoying it probably a little too much

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:37:24pm

re: #26 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It makes for a compelling story, when you’re trying to convince people your chosen prophet is the bestest evah and they should follow him.

What I could never wrap my head around was why God, his omniscient/omnipresent father, let Jesus be arrested, imprisoned and then killed. Like, couldn’t Jesus have done a better job spreading the Word if he’d been allowed to live a bit longer?

Not sure I could trust a father who would let his own son die, just because.

Yeah, I know, I have a huge, huge, huge problem with that. And it’s at the center of a very popular salvation theory known as the satisfaction theory of atonement. God was so very very very offended by our sins that a pure and perfect sacrifice was needed to make up for it, and that was Jesus. We have Anselm of Canterbury and others (like John Calvin) to thank for various iterations on this since about 1100. It is the most popular theory, but it’s disgusting. It says God doesn’t have the ability on his/her own to forgive people but can’t do it without a (human) sacrifice. That’s just repellent.

IMO, Jesus died because he ticked off the local religious and governmental powers, likely due to his tossing the moneychangers and sellers of offerings out of the temple. Judea was basically country occupied by the Romans and the powers that be had every inclination to put down any hint of rebellion.

Christians have been trying to figure out why Jesus died for the last two millennia and for the last 900 years we’ve been in this satisfaction trap. Blergh.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:37:41pm

re: #29 Old Liberal

Have you read any of Bart Ehrman’s books? Very scholarly analysis of the ancient texts.

I know of him, and read articles by him, but not his books. His analysis makes a lot of Christians very uncomfortable, I know.

Put yourselves in the shoes of a small group of believers who were convinced their prophet/guru/messiah was the savior of the world, and who wanted others from other religions to believe in him, too. Your prophet dude is a poor carpenter from a farming family. Nobody special. So, borrow some story elements from Greek-Roman myth, and some story elements from the Old Testament, mention some holy men from Persia following a star, and finish the story off with the local bad guys (Romans) executing the savior when he threatens their temporal rule with his religious teaching. Something for everyone to sympathize with.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:39:36pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Anyone watching Russian Dolls on Netflix? I’m enjoying it probably a little too much

What’s it about?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:40:55pm

Trump lies about his height. This is a stupid, trivial, easily debunked lie which, as Maddow demonstrates, shows that HE LIES ABOUT EVERY LITTLE FUCKING THING & WE’RE JUST SUPPOSED TO GET USED TO IT.

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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:41:41pm

re: #38 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

What’s it about?

Comedy about the afterlife. Main character dies, then repeats the same day over and then eventually dies again and does it all over again. She can change things but so far she keeps finding a way to die

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:43:48pm

I want to bring up one issue that concerns me about the legislation to avert the shutdown: there has been a long history of various malefactors sneaking in at the last minute new provisions to benefit various donors or industries or states without the rest of Congress being aware. Could any of the Senators voting “No” actually be objecting to a law that they did not have any time to review carefully?

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Single-handed sailor  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:44:32pm

re: #40 KGxvi

Comedy about the afterlife. Main character dies, then repeats the same day over and then eventually dies again and does it all over again. She can change things but so far she keeps finding a way to die

Take the fire escape.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:44:45pm

re: #40 KGxvi

Comedy about the afterlife. Main character dies, then repeats the same day over and then eventually dies again and does it all over again. She can change things but so far she keeps finding a way to die

Sounds off-the-wall enough I might give it a try.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:44:47pm
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KGxvi  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:45:00pm

On the Jesus thing… I’m still mostly in the camp that he probably didn’t exist. The Romans were very good a keeping records and never wrote anything about an alleged rebel looking to establish a kingdom in their newly conquered lands? Not for at least 300 years?

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:46:38pm

re: #44 gocart mozart

I knew the name Joan Osbourne was familiar

Joan Osborne - What If God Was One Of Us

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:47:01pm

re: #45 KGxvi

On the Jesus thing… I’m still mostly in the camp that he probably didn’t exist. The Romans were very good a keeping records and never wrote anything about an alleged rebel looking to establish a kingdom in their newly conquered lands? Not for at least 300 years?

The Judean uprising took place at about the same time & Romans thought he was just one of many provincial rabble rousers.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:47:41pm

re: #45 KGxvi

On the Jesus thing… I’m still mostly in the camp that he probably didn’t exist. The Romans were very good a keeping records and never wrote anything about an alleged rebel looking to establish a kingdom in their newly conquered lands? Not for at least 300 years?

Or if he did, he died under more prosaic circumstances - run over by a cart, fell off a house he was building, etc.

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:48:00pm

And in completely shocking news—seriously shocking, I went out to Louisville to picket Mohler and his buddies last April because they wouldn’t drop CJ Mahaney:

Leading Southern Baptist apologizes for supporting leader, church at center of sex abuse scandal

A leading Southern Baptist figure on Thursday apologized for supporting a religious leader who was accused of helping conceal sexual abuses at his former church, and for making a joke that he said downplayed the severity of the allegations.

In an interview with the Houston Chronicle, Al Mohler said for the first time publicly that he regrets his embrace of C.J. Mahaney, the former leader of the non-Southern Baptist group Sovereign Grace Ministries, now known as Sovereign Grace Churches.

houstonchronicle.com

This is a bad sign for Mahaney, losing Mohler’s support. Mohler is a kingmaker in the SBC. Of course, I tweeted at Mohler that this was a nice first step, but that the SBC had to ditch its patriarchy and come up with a viable plan to deal with child sexual abuse.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:48:27pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

I knew the name Joan Osbourne was familiar

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I remember the pulpit pounders were very upset about that song.

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gocart mozart  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:48:34pm
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plansbandc  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:50:47pm

re: #9 The Vicious Babushka

My doggo approves!!!

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mmmirele  Feb 14, 2019 • 6:59:52pm

re: #45 KGxvi

On the Jesus thing… I’m still mostly in the camp that he probably didn’t exist. The Romans were very good a keeping records and never wrote anything about an alleged rebel looking to establish a kingdom in their newly conquered lands? Not for at least 300 years?

Three hundred years is quite the exaggeration. Tacitus and Suetonius both mentioned a “Christus” in their works, which were written before 120. Pliny the Younger was a provincial governor and wrote to Trajan about 112 about what to do with Christians. (Pliny mentions in one letter torturing a couple of deaconesses, indicating a fairly high level of organization.)

I am of the opinion that Jesus existed, but it’s entirely possible and indeed likely that legend sprung up almost immediately around him. After all, Paul was reassuring converts in Thessalonica that Jesus would be returning soon about 52 CE and not to freak out if people die while they’re waiting.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 14, 2019 • 7:00:40pm

re: #10 teleskiguy

Well, I was way behind and posted a reply to another one of your posts. But, it fits here, too
re: #240 teleskiguy

I know what happened. I still think humans are a garbage species and the mountain lion should have prevailed. I guess I’m a horrible asshole.

The nihilist in me tends to agree with this assessment. We have become an intestinal parasite on the surface of the planet.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 14, 2019 • 7:15:25pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

I knew the name Joan Osbourne was familiar

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Video

Always loved that song!

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makeitstop  Feb 14, 2019 • 7:20:09pm

re: #46 gocart mozart

I knew the name Joan Osbourne was familiar

Prince did a pretty good cover of that song.

PRINCE One of us (LYRIC VIDEO)

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jeffreyw  Feb 14, 2019 • 7:47:56pm

re: #35 KGxvi

Anyone watching Russian Dolls on Netflix? I’m enjoying it probably a little too much

We watched it and liked it a lot but I was mystified by the wrap up episode. It just didn’t work for me. I was waiting for it to make sense and was still waiting as the final credits rolled.

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 7:58:20pm

re: #22 mmmirele

I’m now at the point where I can actually consider, without feeling like I am betraying my faith, the very real possibility that the whole Passion narrative (that’s the story of the death of Jesus) is made up out of whole cloth. That, by the way, is a hell of a thing to admit.

I can get that but I’m of the opinion they did hang him up as a bandit/rebel/whatever they felt like calling it. He was a rabbi and into some fairly significant end times beliefs that would not have gone over well with the Romans. The highest ranking Roman official involved in that execution was probably still only a legionary officer though. Not the governor or any other of the bosses. Certainly none of the stuff in gospels is especially likely.

I certainly don’t have any need for a resurrection either - as I’ve put it before, the Second Coming happens every time someone really opens their heart to god and begins to act accordingly - doing justice, loving kindness & mercy, walking humbly with God and loving your neighbor - all your neighbors - as you love yourself. That’s the real end of times for then you forget to worry about trying to get into heaven or evade hell and simply live the way you should.

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William Lewis  Feb 14, 2019 • 8:06:31pm

re: #26 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It makes for a compelling story, when you’re trying to convince people your chosen prophet is the bestest evah and they should follow him.

What I could never wrap my head around was why God, his omniscient/omnipresent father, let Jesus be arrested, imprisoned and then killed. Like, couldn’t Jesus have done a better job spreading the Word if he’d been allowed to live a bit longer?

Not sure I could trust a father who would let his own son die, just because.

A bit of theology I was wrestling with at work tonight to be honest. Ultimately, if grace is real, everyone is already saved. Period. So why the need for Jesus to get killed? Certainly God doesn’t need to have his mind changed about us - WE need our minds changed about God instead.

1) Really there was no reason, simply another example of man’s own sinful nature. He provided an example of trying to live a good life - those who killed him provide the opposite example - is one idea.

2) The other and probably most likely is that human psychology needs a scapegoat to put our sins on before we can accept forgiveness by God and, more important for going forward, forgiving ourselves. Jesus’ acceptance of the Roman judicial homicide provided that scapegoat.


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