You’ve Never Seen Anyone Like Lau Noah: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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Feb. 11, 2019 | Bob Boilen — There’s a magical aura that surrounds Lau Noah as she sits behind my desk and embraces her guitar with one foot propped unnaturally high on a stool. As melodies pour from the strings, she sings these words in Spanish: “On the verge of the soul, there is a red petal, attached to the skins of mortals.” A few lines later in the song she continues, “a fragile petal that drinks the water of the most cruel stories: children who have never heard a fairytale, lovers who love, dressed in regret.” This is the sort of poetic tale that captured my heart amongst the thousands of entries I watched during the Tiny Desk Contest in 2018. Her song she submitted for the contest is called “La Realidad.”

Lau Noah’s journey as a songwriter and guitarist occurred by happenstance. She was born in Reus, Spain barely a few hours drive from Barcelona. She speaks and now sings in Catalan, Spanish, English and sometimes Hebrew. She’d played piano growing up (never guitar) and left Spain for New York City five years ago while in her late teens.

On a visit to Montreal in 2016, Lau hoped to go to a Patrick Watson concert with friends. But the performance sold out and she was left alone in an apartment while her friends went to the show. Then a snowstorm ensued. The apartment had two guitars and, with nothing else to do, she picked one up and began to play. She wrote her first song, “Pequitas,” which means “Little Freckles.” Now, not too many years later, her creativity on both classical guitar, her narrative poetry and the singing of that poetry make the musician Lau Noah a unique spirit.

Before she played her final song, “Red Bird,” at the Tiny Desk, she quoted Spanish writer Miguel de Cervantes Saavedra, from his novel Don Quixote: “When life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies,” Lau said, reading from her notes. “Perhaps to be too practical is madness. To surrender dreams is madness. And maddest of all: to see life as it is and not as it should be.”

Lau Noah herself writes the kinds of story-songs that provoke that sort of thought, so we’ve included translations for you to fully enjoy her vision.

Set List
“El Jardinero (The Gardener)”
“La Realidad (The Reality)”
“L’Adéu (The Goodbye)”
“La Belleza (The Beauty)”
“Red Bird”

Credits
Producers: Bob Boilen, Morgan Noelle Smith; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Kimani Oletu; Associate Producer: Bobby Carter; Photo: Amr Alfiky/NPR

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1
Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2019 • 8:30:28pm
Trump administration to cancel $929 million in California high-speed rail funding

Sooner or later California pulls a train on Donald Trump. (Link is safe for work)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 19, 2019 • 8:36:34pm

re: #1 Unshaken Defiance

Sooner or later California pulls a train on Donald Trump.

Remember when he acted like infrastructure was going to be a hallmark of his administration. That was fun.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 19, 2019 • 8:49:10pm

Mariee Juarez
Jakelin Caal
Felipe Gomez Alonzo

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Charles Johnson  Feb 19, 2019 • 8:53:13pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 19, 2019 • 8:54:43pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Well heard this on NPR and Paged
Frightening.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:08:12pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

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Mariee Juarez
Jakelin Caal
Felipe Gomez Alonzo

I like living babies too. That’s why I want actual babies to have access to food, shelter, and health care. A clump of fertilized cells is living off of my body and I get to choose whether or not I host it.

I say this as the mother of two sons. I chose them. And they were, in fact, actual babies.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:09:08pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Honest headline:

Republicans in House Oversight Committee turn blind eye to Trump Administration transfer of sensitive nuclear technology to the main 9/11 attack sponsor.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:10:07pm

How thrilled are the Israelis right now?

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BlueGrl21  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:10:59pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

How thrilled are the Israelis right now?

Hoolllyyy shit. Did not think of that.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:16:38pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

Hoolllyyy shit. Did not think of that.

We moved the embassy so I’m sure they’ll be totes chill about this.

Good trade, Bibi.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:19:16pm

No headlamp needed at all. My skiing partner took some pictures, they should be on her Instagram pretty soon.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:20:37pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

We moved the embassy so I’m sure they’ll be totes chill about this.

Good trade, Bibi.

S.A. and Israel seem to have an anti-Iranian alliance, but I sure wouldn’t count on the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” being a secure basis for a lasting alliance.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:22:14pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

And… she’s a beaut Clark!

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:26:07pm

re: #12 NO SMOCKING GUN!

S.A. and Israel seem to have an anti-Iranian alliance, but I sure wouldn’t count on the “enemy of my enemy is my friend” being a secure basis for a lasting alliance.

Not when fissile material is involved.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:28:07pm

I’M SORRY WHAT?!

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Belafon  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:29:21pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

And… she’s a beaut Clark!

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Do not look at a full moon through a telescope without a light filter. You will have a blind spot for hours.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:30:29pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:38:16pm

re: #10 goddamnedfrank

Whether or not its true, most of the Arab nations operate under the assumption that the Israelis have a nuclear arsenal that’s pointed at their neighbors.

Nuclear parity with Israel has been a thing the Saudis have fantasized about for a long time.

On the other hand…shit with Bibi and Likud is twisting in strange directions such that while I can’t see civilian Israelis being happy, there’s some kind of international fuckhead alliance going on where I can see the top brass not thinking this through and giving it the thumbs up.

I mean, my current tinfoil-hat speculation is that we’ve got a bunch of billionaires kleptocrats who think they’re geniuses and have more in common with other oligarchs (baseless elitism, pseudointellectual pretensions, not wanting to pay taxes, a soupcon of sociopathy) than they do with people of nominally the same culture. “Saudi Arabia has nukes” really means “the royal family, and specifically MBS, has nukes” and I can see the international fuckwit elite actually being okay with that because they are not bright and deep down they want them too.

No seriously. The future is oligarchs with nukes. Extra shiny tinfoil.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:43:51pm

Am I the only one who is watching Victoria and thinks that Albert bears a striking resemblance to Prince?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:47:17pm

re: #19 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Am I the only one who is watching Victoria and thinks that Albert bears a striking resemblance to Prince?

You mean this guy?

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:52:02pm

re: #18 The Ghost of Quesos Past

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Feb 19, 2019 • 9:56:59pm

re: #20 Eclectic Cyborg

You mean this guy?

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Yes. I keep watching and I’m reminded of Prince. Didn’t know if I’m imagining things.

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whitebeach  Feb 19, 2019 • 10:10:45pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I’M SORRY WHAT?!

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You’re so naive. I expect you’re unaware that half the Westminster Kennel Club champions are the result of artificial insemination using doggie jizz retrieved from embarrassed dinner guests’ legs.

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whitebeach  Feb 19, 2019 • 10:12:16pm

re: #22 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Yes. I keep watching and I’m reminded of Prince. Didn’t know if I’m imagining things.

Purple Reign.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 19, 2019 • 10:24:58pm
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goddamnedfrank  Feb 19, 2019 • 10:26:50pm

Aquarium update: The repaired protein skimmer is now producing quality skimmate like a fuckin’ boss, and the Hail Mary earthquake bracing is half installed. Next up after that is designing an emergency battery backup system for the powerheads, return pump and heater. The off the shelf options are all massively overpriced and offer way too little capacity, so I’m going to homebrew a solution with a 100Ah 12 volt AGM deep cycle battery, tender, cabling and an inverter for the heater (the other controllers have direct auxiliary DC inputs.) This will be much better than just plugging everything into a UPS because the return pump and powerheads will now know if their main AC power supplies go down and can be programmed to automatically switch to a reduced power setting to greatly extend the emergency runtime. My estimates are this system should be able to survive a 3 to 5 day interruption, which is overkill af but why mess around.

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2019 • 10:28:40pm

re: #26 goddamnedfrank

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:22:24pm

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

And Jim published her message to him about it.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:29:01pm

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I’M SORRY WHAT?!

You will be glad you had the hat.

Shagged by a rare parrot - Last Chance To See - BBC Two

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thecommodore  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:30:30pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

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Mariee Juarez
Jakelin Caal
Felipe Gomez Alonzo

What an insufferable little shit he is.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:33:48pm

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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LOL she’s saying that Trump supporters should be a “protected class”.

Also, it’s certainly not a crime to be a Trump supporter. Pulling stupid bullshit stunts, like Loomer does quite frequently, does have the potential to rain down consequences - as she’s finding out.

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makeitstop  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:34:05pm

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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“They marginalized a colored man…”

Fucking seriously?

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teleskiguy  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:37:27pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:38:56pm

re: #32 makeitstop

“They marginalized a colored man…”

Fucking seriously?

You saw that, too.

re: #31 Dr Lizardo

LOL she’s saying that Trump supporters should be a “protected class”.

Also, it’s certainly not a crime to be a Trump supporter. Pulling stupid bullshit stunts, like Loomer does quite frequently, does have the potential to rain down consequences - as she’s finding out.

I am guessing Chase suspended her account because she lost her PayPal access. Probably the two were linked, and no income from PayPal means an overdrawn Chase account. Or, perhaps Chase flagged her account for suspicious transactions. Who knows? She could, y’know, call Chase and find out before blasting it out all over social media.

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sagehen  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:43:05pm

re: #19 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

Am I the only one who is watching Victoria and thinks that Albert bears a striking resemblance to Prince?

This week’s episode made me very sad for the state of their marriage; but then I realized there’ll have to be a reconciliation, since she still has to have two more children.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:43:12pm

re: #34 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Well, of course she could call Chase and just find out what’s going on before shooting off her mouth, but that doesn’t help Laura feed her victimhood addiction, now does it?

Heh.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:51:27pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

Ben Shapiro>

Your organization advocates for killing unborn children.

This is the basis of the Right to Life movement: embryo/fetus = baby

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:54:15pm

re: #23 whitebeach

You’re so naive. I expect you’re unaware that half the Westminster Kennel Club champions are the result of artificial insemination using doggie jizz retrieved from embarrassed dinner guests’ legs.

and most of the pork we eat is produced by artificial insemination.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 19, 2019 • 11:56:46pm

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

There is no such thing as unborn children.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 12:13:12am

Remember what experts were saying about measles being easy to spread?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 12:22:10am

re: #40 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Remember what experts were saying about measles being easy to spread?

Another of those odd convergences: on the left you have anti-Big Pharma, anti-Western Medicine woo-woos, on the right you have anti-Big Government, anti-Science wingnuts.

They have combined to produce what is now a toxic concentration of stoopid.

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Teukka  Feb 20, 2019 • 12:45:13am

re: #40 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Remember what experts were saying about measles being easy to spread?

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There’s been a couple of cases in Stockholm with measles, clinics and ER’s sections have been shut down while contagion tracing and sanitizing. Yeah. That contagious.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 1:09:50am

re: #42 Teukka

There’s been a couple of cases in Stockholm with measles, clinics and ER’s sections have been shut down while contagion tracing and sanitizing. Yeah. That contagious.

Measles is so virulent that a contagious person can infect people who enter a room after that person has left the room, if he has coughed or sneezed before leaving.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 20, 2019 • 1:11:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 1:21:42am

re: #44 Single-handed sailor

Even Manafort was out on bail for a couple of weeks before he was docked for violating the terms. Rog must be going for the record.

These people fail to understand that Trump’s Cloak of Invulnerability does not extend to them.

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2019 • 1:39:14am
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Targetpractice  Feb 20, 2019 • 1:55:40am

re: #46 Ace-o-aces

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Same thing over and over again: Aim high, miss the target by a mile, then quietly move the goalpost so that he can claim a “win.”

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Ace-o-aces  Feb 20, 2019 • 2:18:11am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 2:24:07am

re: #48 Ace-o-aces

Trump working on possible nicknames for 2020 Dems

Each Democratic candidate should then select their own personal nickname for Trump. There are already enough to choose from, starting with Cheeto Benito through MAGA-Brain to Orange Foolius…

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2019 • 2:45:50am

re: #15 goddamnedfrank

I’M SORRY WHAT?!

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True…. And a technic used for ages by breeders. Not that hard and most bird want to fuck anything that feeds them.

I have this male parrot…….. I know these things.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2019 • 2:50:56am

re: #50 Dave In Austin

True…. And a technic used for ages by breeders. Not that hard and most bird want to fuck anything that feeds them…

There was a movie based on that.

Fine dining

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freetoken  Feb 20, 2019 • 3:02:01am
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nowherenorth2  Feb 20, 2019 • 3:49:23am

I like the night skiing photos teleskiguy. Beautiful.

Also it is too early for me to deal with a ben Shapiro idiot argument.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:01:33am

re: #51 Decatur Deb

There was a movie based on that.

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That got me cackling….. NPI…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:18:58am

the three are anti-Brexit

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:21:24am

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

the three are anti-Brexit

I am still not clear how the leave/stay split plays across party lines

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:38:02am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am still not clear how the leave/stay split plays across party lines

I’d say it’s related to immigration.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:41:54am
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darthstar  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:42:28am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2019 • 4:48:04am

Executive Time!

moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:00:23am

moron is on a roll…

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darthstar  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:03:38am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is on a roll…

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He’s celebrating that little racist snowflake from Covington who is suing Wapo for $250 million because the only girl he now has a chance at dating is that gun humper from Kent State who poops her pants at parties.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:05:43am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is on a roll…

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I guess he’s snowed in eating McMuffins and taking angry shits again.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:07:24am

He’s such a disgraceful loser. Spends his days raging on Twitter. I hope he lives long enough to hear Barron tell him he was a horrible father.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:09:16am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:13:34am

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

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That makes sense to me. We gotta be ready for this.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:18:05am

re: #3 DodgerFan1988

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Mariee Juarez
Jakelin Caal
Felipe Gomez Alonzo

A simple “Yes” would have been sufficient.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:24:30am

I’m not surprised Kamala is being targeted. It’s not just that she’s a woman of color but she’s a former prosecutor who would make life a pain in the ass for Vlad. And as I said, her race and gender, Putin is a racist sexist asshole.

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jeffreyw  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:25:35am

Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:26:36am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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Maybe they didn’t allow her to change her Chase password to “14Words”.

And that insane rant SMOTI posted from her where she is deluded to think that Dorsey, Diamond and Zuckerberg are left wing…well there used to be places called institutions where loonies like Laura used to be locked into padded cells for their own good…

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:28:38am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

I’m not surprised Kamala is being targeted. It’s not just that she’s a woman of color but she’s a former prosecutor who would make life a pain in the ass for Vlad. And as I said, her race and gender, Putin is a racist sexist asshole.

Rank and file Democrats need to demand that the next Democratic President NOT shy away from going after Trump officials who committed crimes. President Obama didn’t pursue the Bush administration for its wrongdoings which is a decision I agreed with at the time. I don’t believe, however, that Trump and his imps should get off the hook.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:30:44am

When someone sez……..

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:32:03am

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

Rank and file Democrats need to demand that the next Democratic President NOT shy away from going after Trump officials who committed crimes. President Obama didn’t pursue the Bush administration for its wrongdoings which is a decision I agreed with at the time. I don’t believe, however, that Trump and his imps should get off the hook.

Agreed.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:35:43am

re: #61 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is on a roll…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:37:12am

re: #72 Dave In Austin

When someone sez……..

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She did a great job proving the double standard and then the bros took the bait.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:40:58am

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

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Getting people, especially Dems, to attack Pamela Harris is a two-fer. It widens Black/White antagonism and drives another wedge between female and male voters. Anything that splits progressives serves Putin and Trump, whether it’s some nefarious plot or just lazy, shallow reaction.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:41:03am

re: #72 Dave In Austin

When someone sez……..

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Is the asshole the person who wins a Democratic Party primary, then runs as an independent?

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:41:34am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:42:36am

re: #77 BlueSpotinAL

Is the asshole the person who wins a Democratic Party primary, then runs as an independent?

Nope. It’s not Tulsi.

Although I wouldn’t be surprised if she does the Cynthia McKinney thing and get the GREEN nomination.

Always remember folks that GREEN =

Getting
Republicans
Elected
Every
November!

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:43:18am

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

Rank and file Democrats need to demand that the next Democratic President NOT shy away from going after Trump officials who committed crimes. President Obama didn’t pursue the Bush administration for its wrongdoings which is a decision I agreed with at the time. I don’t believe, however, that Trump and his imps should get off the hook.

Burn them all. tRump included.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:44:49am

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:44:52am

re: #74 Joe Bacon 🌹

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That’s “President Idiot”, if you please. It’s a lot easier to prevent an asshole incumbent than to get rid of one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:49:39am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

That’s “President Idiot”, if you please. It’s a lot easier to prevent an asshole incumbent than to get rid of one.

Oh I think President B-Hole is more accurate because Trump does not have what it takes to be an A-Hole!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:51:02am

re: #62 darthstar

He’s celebrating that little racist snowflake from Covington who is suing Wapo for $250 million because the only girl he now has a chance at dating is that gun humper from Kent State who poops her pants at parties.

Wat?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:53:19am

re: #62 darthstar

He’s celebrating that little racist snowflake from Covington who is suing Wapo for $250 million because the only girl he now has a chance at dating is that gun humper from Kent State who poops her pants at parties.

Say whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

We done got ourselves a female version of Chuck C too???????????

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:53:55am

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:55:21am

apnews.com

WASHINGTON (AP) — The FBI developed a backup plan to protect evidence in its Russia investigation soon after the firing of FBI Director James Comey in the event that other senior officials were dismissed as well, according to a person with knowledge of the discussions.

The plan was crafted in the chaotic days after Comey was fired, when the FBI began investigating whether President Donald Trump had obstructed justice and whether he might be, wittingly or not, in league with the Russians.

The goal was to ensure that the information collected under the investigations, which included probes of Trump associates and possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign, would survive the firings or reassignments of top law enforcement officials. Those officials included special counsel Robert Mueller, who was appointed eight days after Trump fired Comey in May 2017.

Andrew McCabe, who became acting director after Comey was fired, asked investigators to develop a plan to ensure evidence would be protected, said the person, who was not authorized to talk about those discussions publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity to The Associated Press. A plan was then created, according to the person, who would not provide specifics.

A second person familiar with the talks, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, also said the FBI discussed preserving evidence so that it would outlast any firing or effort to stymie the investigation.

A spokeswoman for the FBI declined to comment Tuesday.

Asked about the AP report when he appeared Tuesday on CBS’ “The Late Show,” McCabe wouldn’t elaborate on what the backup plan entailed. “That’s our job. That’s our job to prepare for eventualities,” he told host Stephen Colbert.

McCabe added: “We needed to know what we would do if Director Mueller was suddenly fired and his team was disbanded, and what we needed to do in that circumstance was to be able to take our cases back and continue those investigations. That’s kind of what we thought through.”

McCabe hinted at the anxiety over possible firings, even his own, in an interview that aired Sunday with CBS News’ “60 Minutes,” saying he met with investigators after Comey’s firing.

“I was very concerned that I was able to put the Russia case on absolutely solid ground, in an indelible fashion,” McCabe said. “That were I removed quickly, or reassigned or fired, that the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace.”

He added, “I wanted to make sure that our case was on solid ground and if somebody came in behind me and closed it and tried to walk away from it, they would not be able to do that without creating a record of why they made that decision.”

Trump has repeatedly decried the Mueller probe as a “witch hunt” and has suggested that investigators themselves should be investigated. Attorney General Jeff Sessions was forced out last year amid the president’s anger over his recusal from the Russia investigation.

McCabe himself was fired last year after the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded that he had misled officials about his role in a news media disclosure. McCabe has denied the allegations, described his firing as politically motivated and, in a series of interviews this week, has said he plans to sue the Justice Department over it.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:56:04am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:57:36am
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 5:57:49am

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:05:28am

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:13:37am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:13:51am

re: #90 Patricia Kayden

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And, if we had a functioning GOP, that would just be further evidence he’s not fit for office.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:14:13am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

Psst. Kamala, not Pamela.

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freetoken  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:17:05am

The MAGAdolts are really piling on Bernie on social media now…

They all deserve each other.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:18:49am

re: #95 freetoken

The MAGAdolts are really piling on Bernie on social media now…

They all deserve each other.

Supporters of two old fogeys who really need a retirement.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:19:53am

re: #89 Belafon

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Yep. He’s got to expand his base if he is going to win and he won’t imo because like Trump, he’s too inflexible.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:23:53am

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

How thrilled are the Israelis right now?

Last year, as Trump was busy working on a deal giving Saudis nuclear tech, the Israelis gave red lines as to what they wanted in the form of assurances. Too bad all of them have been ignored and Trump’s doing his usual bait and switch con job on everyone while claiming he’s supporting Israel.

Trump’s know nothing advisers are more than willing to bend over in pretzel logic to deliver nuclear tech to Saudis, whose regime is mildly unstable at best, run by a sociopathic guy who chops up journalists who criticize the govt (a bonus in Trump’s eyes), but who export radicals who have fed terror groups like IS and AQ for decades. It’s a regime that can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with nuclear tech, let alone safety of those facilities against potential sabotage or terrorism that could lead to nuclear materials falling into the wrong hands.

Anyone who believes that the Saudis aren’t interested in nuclear weapons, especially if Iran goes nuclear, are kidding themselves. The Saudis know that the first target of Iran wouldn’t be Israel, but the Saudis themselves. That’s why the Saudis have floated the idea that they’d get nukes from Pakistan if the Iranians get nukes. That’s the deterrence they want.

(And it also gives lie to the fact that the Israelis are the impediment to peace here - as Israel has nukes, but the parity that the Saudis and Iranians are most concerned with is against fellow Muslim majority nations in the ME. Regional rivalries and longstanding Sunni-Shi’a hate trumps the Arab-Israeli conflict, which is a sideshow that the regional powers use to claim that they’re the ones who should lead the region - a dynamic that goes back all the way to Israel’s creation and the threats to push Israel into the sea, etc.)

Oh, and all that is one of the reasons why the Iran deal (JCPOA) is so important - it’s the thing that keeps Iran from going nuclear, and therefore limits the need for Saudis to match. Trump’s undermining JCPOA despite all the facts and evidence showing the deal working.

All the while, Bibi’s trying to triangulate for his reelection bid (elections are in April). He’s busy calling a guy who served in the IDF weak on defense, all while meeting with Kahanists to solidify his right flank (he should flunk flank, especially with allying himself with these outlaws in all but name).

Meanwhile, turns out that Trump moving the embassy to Jerusalem was nothing but a renaming of the consulate as the embassy residence of the ambassador.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:24:20am

re: #94 Unshaken Defiance

Psst. Kamala, not Pamela.

Too late, my love, Too late,
But never you mind.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:25:48am

Bernie diehards don’t get how one can adore AOC and dislike Bernie. For me, it’s simple. AOC is really with it on modern social media but more importantly she gets that there’s more than just economics and I’ve never seen her rationalize prejudice the way Bernie does. AOC isn’t co-signing on scapegoating immigrants like Bernie has nor rationalizing those who went for Trump. But there’s also their personalities. AOC seems very open minded. Confident in her beliefs for sure but willing to work with people.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:26:18am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:27:54am

re: #101 lawhawk

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Shut up Kellyanne. No one believes your lies.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:28:23am

re: #98 lawhawk

The Tel Aviv facility supports 600+ personnel in a facility with ungodly physical and info security features. Replicating that in the Jerusalem real estate market would cost more than 55 miles of Texas fence.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:29:35am

re: #48 Ace-o-aces

And through it all….

Trump’s nickname for Speaker Pelosi is….

Nancy.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:32:09am

re: #103 Decatur Deb

I’ve been by both the Tel Aviv and Jerusalem facilities. The Jerusalem facility would not meet current State Department security requirements, and that’s one of the reasons it would cost so much to build a new embassy. The rules are quite particular, especially after embassy attacks in the past.

You’d need to secure land for sufficient setbacks, fortified construction, etc., and that’s before you start with the staffing of the location.

Trump thinks you can just slap a name on something and call it an embassy and be done with it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:34:01am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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I have had access to my bank account suspended.If you happen to go out of town without submitting a travel notice, they will assume your card has been stolen and shut it down for your own protection. LL does not seem to be the type of person to notify her banking provider as she flits from stunt to cunning stunt.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:37:59am

Morning!

What a mess this weather is today.

We got probably 4” of snow over night, and then about two hours or so ago it was sleet, then icy rain and it now seems to be just a drizzle.

You can imagine how sloppy it is outside. The roads are a total mess and Columbus appears to have come to slow moving mess. Schools cancelled too.

Now it will warm to around 40 degrees and with the rain there will be new flooding again as it hasn’t dried out from the last few weeks of snow and rain.

Climate change is just so much fun.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:39:40am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

Assumes facts not in evidence.

1) That Loomer didn’t screw up her password access herself, and the bank limited access as protection for her account.
2) That SMOTI is accurately reporting whatever Loomer told him.

I have Chase accounts, and you could get locked out if you screw up your passwords enough times. Or you mess up your 2-factor authentication.

Or she screwed up because she did something else with her accounts and racked up fees and overdraft to the point that the bank wont do anything until those fees are paid up - I don’t think that’s the case frankly… I think she screwed up her password access.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:44:16am

re: #108 lawhawk

Assumes facts not in evidence.

1) That Loomer didn’t screw up her password access herself, and the bank limited access as protection for her account.
2) That SMOTI is accurately reporting whatever Loomer told him.

I have Chase accounts, and you could get locked out if you screw up your passwords enough times. Or you mess up your 2-factor authentication.

Or she screwed up because she did something else with her accounts and racked up fees and overdraft to the point that the bank wont do anything until those fees are paid up - I don’t think that’s the case frankly… I think she screwed up her password access.

There’s probably a simple explanation but she loves insisting she’s a victim because of her political views. She’s D List wingnut material. Which I think is the real reason she’s constantly doing this stupid shit. It’s pretty sad if you really think about it.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:54:08am

Dang. It just started snowing. :(

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GlutenFreeJesus  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:57:26am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’m sure she was drunk and hitting on a Nazi when she typed in her password incorrectly 3 times.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 6:59:11am

Agreed.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:00:13am

re: #106 The Vicious Babushka

I have had access to my bank account suspended.If you happen to go out of town without submitting a travel notice, they will assume your card has been stolen and shut it down for your own protection. LL does not seem to be the type of person to notify her banking provider as she flits from stunt to cunning stunt.

That happened to me, as well, before I moved to China. I notified my banks I would be living abroad and not to get too worried if my card turns up in foreign places.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:01:16am

re: #108 lawhawk

Assumes facts not in evidence.

1) That Loomer didn’t screw up her password access herself, and the bank limited access as protection for her account.
2) That SMOTI is accurately reporting whatever Loomer told him.

I have Chase accounts, and you could get locked out if you screw up your passwords enough times. Or you mess up your 2-factor authentication.

Or she screwed up because she did something else with her accounts and racked up fees and overdraft to the point that the bank wont do anything until those fees are paid up - I don’t think that’s the case frankly… I think she screwed up her password access.

Operator error. It’s the loose nut between the chair and the keyboard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:03:28am

OH NOES Anti-Semitic attacks on the rise in the neighborhood where 3 of my kids live!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:05:26am

re: #92 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Very brave of you since Bernie Bros are known to swarm anyone who isn’t praising their dear leader. Sanders really has to do a better job of condemning his over zealous supporters.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:08:51am

re: #65 Patricia Kayden

Topher Spiro

@TopherSpiro
Interesting. Russia views Kamala Harris as the greatest threat to Trump.

Ian Sams

@IanSams
“A wide-ranging disinformation campaign aimed at Democratic 2020 candidates is already under way on social media, with signs that foreign state actors are driving at least some of the activity.”

“Harris attracted the most overall Twitter activity.”

How much of that is Putin activity and how much is it BernieBros trying to destroy all his possible competition? After all — she is a woman of color — two characteristics that Bernie thinks don’t matter and that he doesn’t really respect.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:11:00am

re: #115 The Vicious Babushka

OH NOES Anti-Semitic attacks on the rise in the neighborhood where 3 of my kids live!

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I’m sorry to hear this, VB. Unfortunately, Trump has made it vogue for a lot of conservatives to be unabashedly, virulently and openly racist and they’re happy to take that and run with it as far as they possibly can.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:15:02am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:16:09am

re: #116 Patricia Kayden

Very brave of you since Bernie Bros are known to swarm anyone who isn’t praising their dear leader. Sanders really has to do a better job of condemning his over zealous supporters.

Other than polluting my timeline with their crap until I block them, not much else they can do to me. I am out to my family/friend/co-workers so that’s a non-starter.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:17:30am

re: #119 Patricia Kayden

Oh yes here we go again. Keep moving there is nothing to look at here but you can look at this going on over there. ::: eyeroll :::

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:19:14am

re: #92 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

What part of Bernie IS NOT A DEMOCRAT are you missing? He does not support Democrats. His followers DO NOT SUPPORT Democrats. He is a poison pill and I WILL NOT support him.

I will say it again, there are a lot of true and devoted supporters who want to see Bernie elected President, but a lot more “supporters” who just want to see him nominated by the DNC.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:25:11am

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m sorry to hear this, VB. Unfortunately, Trump has made it vogue for a lot of conservatives to be unabashedly, virulently and openly racist and they’re happy to take that and run with it as far as they possibly can.

It’s possible that, in these cases, there may be other motivations. Both the left and the right house anti-Semites.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:28:47am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Bernie diehards don’t get how one can adore AOC and dislike Bernie. For me, it’s simple. AOC is really with it on modern social media but more importantly she gets that there’s more than just economics and I’ve never seen her rationalize prejudice the way Bernie does. AOC isn’t co-signing on scapegoating immigrants like Bernie has nor rationalizing those who went for Trump. But there’s also their personalities. AOC seems very open minded. Confident in her beliefs for sure but willing to work with people.

bernie’s in it for bernie. not for the party, the people, or the country

at the moment, she’s not in it for herself (apparently)

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Jay C  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:29:33am

re: #105 lawhawk

Trump thinks you can just slap a name on something and call it an embassy and be done with it.

Like he does with hotels and golf clubs? Figures….

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:30:26am

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Agreed.

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disagree

there is no ‘frontrunner’ this far out

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:33:57am

re: #122 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I will say it again, there are a lot of true and devoted supporters who want to see Bernie elected President, but a lot more “supporters” who just want to see him nominated by the DNC.

Then let him run as a third party candidate His followers proved in the 2016 election that when they wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

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Weaselone  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:36:41am

re: #124 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

bernie’s in it for bernie. not for the party, the people, or the country

at the moment, she’s not in it for herself (apparently)

The main difference between AOC and Bernie is that she’ll probably cosponsor and drive more non Post Office naming legislation in her first term than he has in his entire Senate career.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:37:12am

re: #127 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Then let him run as a third party candidate His followers proved in the 2016 election that when they wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

This is probably my biggest fear. Bernie doesn’t win the Dem nomination and runs Independent instead, siphoning off enough votes from whoever is the Dem nominee to hand Trump a second term.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:49:53am

re: #127 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Then let him run as a third party candidate His followers proved in the 2016 election that when they wouldn’t vote for Hillary.

I have friends who supported Bernie who then voted for Hillary; of course, there were others who felt Hillary was the devil incarnate and voted for Jill.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:51:40am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

I have friends who supported Bernie who then voted for Hillary; of course, there were others who felt Hillary was the devil incarnate and voted for Jill.

And now that Trump has fucked everything up, do you think these friends would be more likely to support the eventual Democratic nominee?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:52:11am

re: #124 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

bernie’s in it for bernie. not for the party, the people, or the country

at the moment, she’s not in it for herself (apparently)

Absolutely.

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CongoJack  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:52:54am

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

I have friends who supported Bernie who then voted for Hillary; of course, there were others who felt Hillary was the devil incarnate and voted for Jill.

I went off on a coworker when they said they were going to vote for Jill bc HRC just wanted to kill more foreign babies in air strikes.

I. Went. Off.

Told them that they and people of the same mind will cause Trump to get elected. Day after the election they came to me and apologized.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:53:10am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m hoping that Sanders would understand that his legacy would be heavily tarnished beyond repair if he ever played a role in electing Trump for a second time. He couldn’t really be that vain to think he’d win as a third party candidate. Or so I hope.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:56:17am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

This is probably my biggest fear. Bernie doesn’t win the Dem nomination and runs Independent instead, siphoning off enough votes from whoever is the Dem nominee to hand Trump a second term.

re: #130 Hecuba’s daughter

I have friends who supported Bernie who then voted for Hillary; of course, there were others who felt Hillary was the devil incarnate and voted for Jill.

Bernie’s supporters will either refuse to vote for anyone not Bernie winning the nomination, vote third party (Jill Shills) or like a co-working, vote for him using the write in option. They are not and never will be supporters of the Democratic party.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:56:45am

re: #134 Patricia Kayden

I’m hoping that Sanders would understand that his legacy would be heavily tarnished beyond repair if he ever played a role in electing Trump for a second time. He couldn’t really be that vain to think he’d win as a third party candidate. Or so I hope.

I can’t see him doing that honestly. I think Bernie’s an asshole but not enough that he would actively do something like that. Bernie? If he’s not the nominee. I think will go through the motions. He’ll endorse the Dem nominee. He’ll even do some campaigning but he’ll shit on that individual the second shit goes wrong whether it’s an electoral loss or struggling to get legislation passed. I really think people who like Bernie are so blinded by what he promises is they don’t see that the man is frankly an asshole. I guess when you’ve yearned for so long for someone to call themselves a Democratic Socialist with pride, you overlook prickish behavior.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 7:59:23am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

Bernie diehards don’t get how one can adore AOC and dislike Bernie. For me, it’s simple. AOC is really with it on modern social media but more importantly she gets that there’s more than just economics and I’ve never seen her rationalize prejudice the way Bernie does. AOC isn’t co-signing on scapegoating immigrants like Bernie has nor rationalizing those who went for Trump. But there’s also their personalities. AOC seems very open minded. Confident in her beliefs for sure but willing to work with people.

Based on what we’ve seen from her, I just don’t think AOC will endorse Bernie. Maybe she won’t endorse anyone in the primaries, but I would love to see the screaming if she picked someone else.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:01:48am

re: #135 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Bernie’s supporters will either refuse to vote for anyone not Bernie winning the nomination, vote third party (Jill Shills) or like a co-working, vote for him using the write in option. They are not and never will be supporters of the Democratic party.

So, we saw the cap of that in the previous election. There will be fewer people voting non-Democrat next year. His being an independent will not change that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:02:31am

re: #137 Belafon

Based on what we’ve seen from her, I just don’t think AOC will endorse Bernie. Maybe she won’t endorse anyone in the primaries, but I would love to see the screaming if she picked someone else.

I love that Barbara Lee endorsed Kamala. TBH I wouldn’t be surprised if AOC endorsed Bernie but I think that she hasn’t yet is pretty interesting. Maybe she’s had a case of “Don’t meet your heroes.” I dunno. I’m just flat out unimpressed with Bernie as a leader. Like I can’t imagine him leading the way on Human Rights abroad. I think Bernie is sincere in how he cares about wealth inequality. But I think his focus really limits him as a leader and that’s a huge red flag for someone who apparently wants to be President.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:06:15am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

This is probably my biggest fear. Bernie doesn’t win the Dem nomination and runs Independent instead, siphoning off enough votes from whoever is the Dem nominee to hand Trump a second term.

an early prediction with no support, just a feeling:
bernie will not get the nom because
i dont think it will even be close going into the convention (for him)

no way he could win as an independent after he just lost the primaries and whatever hail mary chance at the convention

while he might run as an independent to continue the grift and maybe get himself onstage at the debates to continue to ‘get his message out’, i think the money will dry up early enough and he’ll realize there is no point to an independent bid - and it would be costly to try while being mostly ignored

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:06:59am

re: #138 Belafon

So, we saw the cap of that in the previous election. There will be fewer people voting non-Democrat next year. His being an independent will not change that.

Exactly.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:07:42am

re: #133 CongoJack

I went off on a coworker when they said they were going to vote for Jill bc HRC just wanted to kill more foreign babies in air strikes.

I. Went. Off.

Told them that they and people of the same mind will cause Trump to get elected. Day after the election they came to me and apologized.

-the implication behind their moronic comment is they figured hillary would win anyway, just not with their help
- their apology the next day confirms it

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:13:28am

In the end, the problems I have with Bernie are two fold- One is the man himself. I’m sorry but I just don’t like the man. Having your heart in the right place doesn’t make you a better person. Two, I think he really does limit himself to only seeing economics and not seeing that there’s more to it than that. I’m sorry but wealth disparity cannot explain why African-Americans get racially profiled in the most affluent parts of the nation. James Blake comes to mind. If Bernie could just open his eyes and see that Yes economics does explain some of our societal problems but there’s more to it than that. And as tempting as it is to blame that he’s in Vermont for that, I think you can fault him for not being intellectually curious enough to look at the broader picture.

A third problem I have with Bernie is who he chooses to surround himself with. Tad Davine? Manafort partner. If you’re going to crap on HRC for saying she looked up to Henry Kissinger, you should have a serious problem with the fact that Bernie had a former partner of Manafort’s in his inner circle. Jeff Weaver? What qualified this guy to run a Presidential campaign? The guy’s only qualifications were that he was on Bernie’s staff. And then there’s Nina Turner who goes out of her way to shit on any Democrat who isn’t Bernie or Bernie endorsed. She also is a naked hypocrite who encourages Bernie’s bros to crap on Pelosi for not wanting to rush impeachment and then says the Congressional D’s shouldn’t investigate Trump too much. So basically three things in the end for me for Bernie that make me have him low on my list: I don’t like the guy as a person, I think his focus is too limited and he’s too stubborn, and his leadership for better lack of word sucks. Of all the elected and former elected people running not named Tulsi Gabbard, he by far is the person I trust least to assemble a strong staff not just of confirmed cabinet members but also staff that make the day to day running of the Oval Office more smooth. For all the disappointments I may have with the other candidates for previous doings or actions on issues, I trust that they’re going to have capable people advising them. Benrie? I don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:15:09am

re: #142 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

-the implication behind their moronic comment is they figured hillary would win anyway, just not with their help
- their apology the next day confirms it

What pisses me off about people like that is they vote Green “because Obama/HRC was oging to win my state anyhow” and then they insist they’re the base of the Democratic Party. Those black ladies in Alabama? They vote Democratic election in and election out whether the party’s gonna win or lose. They’re loyal and hell yeah they should get more of a say in where the party goes than Broey McBroseph who liked Ron Paul ten years ago but now likes Bernie because “Democratic socialism just makes sense.”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:16:14am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

“And then there’s Nina Turner who goes out of her way to shit on any Democrat who isn’t Bernie or Bernie endorsed. She also is a naked hypocrite who encourages Bernie’s bros to crap on Pelosi for not wanting to rush impeachment and then says the Congressional D’s shouldn’t investigate Trump too much.”

I’m ashamed to admit that I used to really admire Ms. Turner back in the day when she used to be a guest on MSNBC. She has become such a Bernie troll that it’s hard to believe that she once was a Democratic politician.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:18:36am

When Obama and Clinton announced their candidacies back in 2007, how much did they bring in during their first 24 hours?

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:19:24am

re: #135 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Bernie’s supporters will either refuse to vote for anyone not Bernie winning the nomination, vote third party (Jill Shills) or like a co-working, vote for him using the write in option. They are not and never will be supporters of the Democratic party.

The Bernie supporters who voted for Hillary will continue to do the right thing.

But the true Bernie Bros fanatics really hate Democrats who are not Bernie — they still claim that Bernie would have won and gloat that the failure to nominate him caused the loss in 2016. All they do is attack the “corporatist” Dems and keep waiting for the socialist revolution that will never come.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:19:28am

re: #145 Patricia Kayden

“And then there’s Nina Turner who goes out of her way to shit on any Democrat who isn’t Bernie or Bernie endorsed. She also is a naked hypocrite who encourages Bernie’s bros to crap on Pelosi for not wanting to rush impeachment and then says the Congressional D’s shouldn’t investigate Trump too much.”

I’m ashamed to admit that I used to really admire Ms. Turner back in the day when she used to be a guest on MSNBC. She has become such a Bernie troll that it’s hard to believe that she once was a Democratic politician.

A lot of people did like Nina because she was pretty admirable in what she did in the Ohio legislature when Kasich was pushing anti choice shit but she became convinced that the only way to political salvation was Bernard Sanders and she’s been a troll ever since. What gets me about her is her non stop bashing of the Clintons even though they fucking campaigned for her even though her Ohio SoS was a long shot. Bernie certainly didn’t do that. I’m not saying she owed the Clintons her support because of that but for fuck sake, she could stop acting like Bernie Sanders, a man who until 2016 campaigned for less candidates than I had is our party’s future and only hope. And I think the Berners are so delusional that they don’t see that’s how they sell Bernie to people. They’re so blinded by the fact that we have a candidate who is unashamed to call himself a Democratic Socialist that they overlook that the guy is an asshole.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:20:53am

re: #147 Hecuba’s daughter

The Bernie supporters who voted for Hillary will continue to do the right thing.

But the true Bernie Bros fanatics really hate Democrats who are not Bernie — they still claim that Bernie would have won and gloat that the failure to nominate him caused the loss in 2016. All they do is attack the “corporatist” Dems and keep waiting for the socialist revolution that will never come.

Somehow, I don’t think that lot would ever have voted Democratic.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:21:57am

re: #146 Belafon

When Obama and Clinton announced their candidacies back in 2007, how much did they bring in during their first 24 hours?

I’m not sure. TBH I find it kind of funny to see the Sanders supporters bragging about the money he’s getting in. I know it’s not corporate money but their big thing at least as far as I can see is keeping money out of politics. It kind of reminds me when they tried to argue elect-ability for Bernie even though they hated it when Clinton supporters argued that she was more electable. That’s why I go at Bernie from the left and acknowledge that Bernie might be electable but I also argue that I don’t think he would be a good President. I’ve been so tempted to stir up the point by mocking the people who believe Bernie will turn us into Venezuela and those who think Bernie will make us into a Utopia in one or two terms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:24:12am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

This is probably my biggest fear. Bernie doesn’t win the Dem nomination and runs Independent instead, siphoning off enough votes from whoever is the Dem nominee to hand Trump a second term.

Lots of people will encourage him to do so and happily put up the money

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:25:09am

re: #137 Belafon

Based on what we’ve seen from her, I just don’t think AOC will endorse Bernie. Maybe she won’t endorse anyone in the primaries, but I would love to see the screaming if she picked someone else.

If AOC has any sense, she will keep out of endorsing any primary candidates

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:25:48am

re: #152 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If AOC has any sense, she will keep out of endorsing any primary candidates

Why? She’s got a right to do. I admit I’d be disappointed if she endorsed Bernie but as a sitting member of Congress, she’s got every right to make her opinion known.

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BeachDem  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:28:07am

re: #145 Patricia Kayden

“And then there’s Nina Turner who goes out of her way to shit on any Democrat who isn’t Bernie or Bernie endorsed. She also is a naked hypocrite who encourages Bernie’s bros to crap on Pelosi for not wanting to rush impeachment and then says the Congressional D’s shouldn’t investigate Trump too much.”

I’m ashamed to admit that I used to really admire Ms. Turner back in the day when she used to be a guest on MSNBC. She has become such a Bernie troll that it’s hard to believe that she once was a Democratic politician.

Well, she wasn’t much of a Democratic politician so much as a Democratic opportunist. The Ohio Dem party was really good to her and was moving her up the ranks when she suddenly decided she should run for Secretary of State and got clobbered. And her loyalties are truly questionable—the Clintons supported her idiotic bid for SoS and she then turned on Hillary quite dramatically.

I can’t stand her. She made several appearances during our last state convention and I walked out on each and every one of them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:29:00am

Here’s something else though. And this is what the far left don’t get is that not everyone in the far left loves Bernie either. Granted it’s for different reasons than us(They don’t think he’s lefty enough). I think they really think that nominating Bernie would somehow neuter Stein and the Greens. If they think Jill wouldn’t pounce on the fact that Bernie has supported military action in Afghanistan and that abolishing the Patriot Act/NSA surveillance immediately aren’t an immediate priority of his, they’re kidding themselves.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:29:55am

re: #153 HappyWarrior

Why? She’s got a right to do. I admit I’d be disappointed if she endorsed Bernie but as a sitting member of Congress, she’s got every right to make her opinion known.

Because right now she has a higher profile than any current Democratic candidate, Right now Obama is not endorsing anyone, either

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:31:57am

re: #146 Belafon

When Obama and Clinton announced their candidacies back in 2007, how much did they bring in during their first 24 hours?

different times different mechanisms

while it’s not an entirely meaningless metric, it doesn’t mean a whole lot

campaigns arent like film openings where the bulk of the dollars comes in the first week(s)

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steve_davis  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:32:56am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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Yeah, because I’m sure there are no conservative Jewish folks involved in banking circles. It’s not like investment banking makes it into the top three job choices every Jewish mother throughout history has hoped their eldest son will go into, right behind rabbi and doctor.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:33:49am

re: #154 BeachDem

Well, she wasn’t much of a Democratic politician so much as a Democratic opportunist. The Ohio Dem party was really good to her and was moving her up the ranks when she suddenly decided she should run for Secretary of State and got clobbered. And her loyalties are truly questionable—the Clintons supported her idiotic bid for SoS and she then turned on Hillary quite dramatically.

I can’t stand her. She made several appearances during our last state convention and I walked out on each and every one of them.

I really think there’s a sub-section of lefties who just likes ideologues rather than leaders. HRC is a leader. Obama and Biden were and are too. Bernie? Turner? Dennis Kucinich? Ideologues. I admit it. I liked Alan Grayson at first but then I gradually realized the guy was just a grandstanding asshole rather than an effective legislator. I mean certainly I want a progressive minded person representing me, that’s why I support Democratic candidates but I like voting for someone I know can get legislation passed too not just in the legislature but to the executive’s desk and that will be upheld by the courts. And I guess that’s the biggest difference between 31 year old me who is more willing to support someone who may have a slightly more moderate record or rhetoric than 16 year old me who thought Dennis Kucinich would have been a good President “because he’s right on all the issues!”. Unfortunately, there’s a part of the left that doesn’t make that pivot like I have. I’m probably more ideologically moderate than I was as a teenager but my fundamental principles really haven’t changed much in what I want from the men and women who represent me in government.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:34:26am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because right now she has a higher profile than any current Democratic candidate, Right now Obama is not endorsing anyone, either

You can’t compare a former President to a freshman Congresswoman IMO.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:35:07am

I wonder if might be worth it for the eventual Dem nominee to nominate Bernie for VP to try and get everyone on the same page as much as possible to bring down Trump?

I don’t particularly like this idea but the Orange asshole has to go.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:35:23am

re: #158 steve_davis

Yeah, because I’m sure there are no conservative Jewish folks involved in banking circles. It’s not like investment banking makes it into the top three job choices every Jewish mother throughout history has hoped their eldest son will go into, right behind rabbi and doctor.

I think she’s convinced because it’s because of “Liberal Jews” being biased against her because she’s conservative. Her ideological twin in rot Shapiro loves to rag on liberal Jews too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:35:58am

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if might be worth it for the eventual Dem nominee to nominate Bernie for VP to try and get everyone on the same page as much as possible to bring down Trump?

I don’t particularly like this idea but the Orange asshole has to go.

TBH, absolutely not. Bernie isn’t a good fit for the executive branch.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:36:21am

re: #157 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

different times different mechanisms

while it’s not an entirely meaningless metric, it doesn’t mean a whole lot

campaigns arent like film openings where the bulk of the dollars comes in the first week(s)

I’m definitely not trying to compare the two, other than it would be interesting to see if Obama was able to outraise Clinton in the first day of each of their campaigns or if Clinton, being the better known candidate, raised more.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:36:48am

re: #160 HappyWarrior

You can’t compare a former President to a freshman Congresswoman IMO.

only in that AOC has a higher media profile right now than most any other Democrat

That has a host of reasons, most of which stem from a serious patriotic concern to keep her from turning America into a Socialist Hellhole and Venezuela of the North…

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:36:52am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because right now she has a higher profile than any current Democratic candidate, Right now Obama is not endorsing anyone, either

She is very politically astute and is learning at the master’s (Pelosi’s) feet. She may want to wait and see how the candidates perform in the debates before making any commitments.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:38:30am

re: #165 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

only in that AOC has a higher media profile right now than most any other Democrat

That has a host of reasons, most of which stem from a serious patriotic concern to keep her from turning America into a Socialist Hellhole and Venezuela of the North…

Will she still have that high profile this time next February? I just think she should endorse if she feels there’s a candidate she feels like endorsing. I’d be disappointed if she did end up endorsing Bernie but it’s her right as a public official and citizen too.

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gwangung  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:38:46am

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

She is very politically astute and is learning at the master’s (Pelosi’s) feet. She may want to wait and see how the candidates perform in the debates before making any commitments.

I get that feeling, too. Backing the most progressive option with a chance to win.

That’s smart.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:38:50am

Probably already mentioned but…

Attorneys for a Kentucky high school student who was at the center of a viral video controversy are suing the Washington Post, seeking $250 million in damages>.

The law firm Hemmer DeFrank Wessels on Tuesday wrote a post on its website that said attorneys Lin Wood and Todd McMurtry have filed the lawsuit on behalf of Nicholas Sandmann against the newspaper for “compensatory and punitive damages.”

“This is only the beginning,” the law firm said.

Sandmann, a student at Covington Catholic High School, was in Washington on January 18 for the annual March for Life rally wearing a red Make American Great Again hat. In a video that gained national attention, he was in an encounter with Omaha tribe elder Nathan Phillips, who was playing a drum and chanting at the Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial on the same day.

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I hope these kids look back on this when they get older and realize how stupid they were.

But I doubt it.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:39:22am

re: #166 Hecuba’s daughter

She is very politically astute and is learning at the master’s (Pelosi’s) feet. She may want to wait and see how the candidates perform in the debates before making any commitments.

I think that’s what she is in fact doing. She didn’t endorse Bernie when he announced he was running. As I said, she may have a different perspective on Bernie now that he’s a colleague rather than someone she supports for POTUS.

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gwangung  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:39:42am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Probably already mentioned but…

Attorneys for a Kentucky high school student who was at the center of a viral video controversy are suing the Washington Post, seeking $250 million in damages>.

The law firm Hemmer DeFrank Wessels on Tuesday wrote a post on its website that said attorneys Lin Wood and Todd McMurtry have filed the lawsuit on behalf of Nicholas Sandmann against the newspaper for “compensatory and punitive damages.”

“This is only the beginning,” the law firm said.

Sandmann, a student at Covington Catholic High School, was in Washington on January 18 for the annual March for Life rally wearing a red Make American Great Again hat. In a video that gained national attention, he was in an encounter with Omaha tribe elder Nathan Phillips, who was playing a drum and chanting at the Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial on the same day.

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I hope these kids look back on this when they get older and realize how stupid they were.

But I doubt it.

Seriously, to me, this move just CONFIRMS the reputation the Post gave them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:40:44am

re: #168 gwangung

I get that feeling, too. Backing the most progressive option with a chance to win.

That’s smart.

I think so too. That was her calculus in backing Pelosi. I think her detractors within the Democratic Party totally underestimate that AOC has a pragmatic side to her. She’s not going to give up her principles but she’s not going to screw the pooch either.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:41:40am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

I like that they think they can take on the paper that not only reported Watergate, but whose owner “exposed” himself to show the National Enquirer that he would not be blackmailed.

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steve_davis  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:42:02am

re: #58 Dave In Austin

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that’s me, if I go cold turkey off my two glasses of wine in the evening.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:43:22am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Suing for $250 million. Yeah, that’s quite the white privilege amount for a bunch of bigots caught on tape doing bigot-y things.

Reporting as they saw them. Accurately reporting as they saw them.

That’s somehow worthy of $250 million? Yeah, they’re hoping for a nice slice of settlement pie. They think that being a proud white bigot somehow entitles them to a payday. Nice.

Too bad that’s not how the law works, and that discovery is going to be a bitch for these guys.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:44:13am

for the time being, looks like northam, you remember him, has ridden it out. Politico

In a Quinnipiac University poll, 42 percent of voters say Northam should resign — but more, 48 percent, say he shouldn’t. White voters are split evenly — 46 percent say he should resign, and the same percentage say he shouldn’t — but a majority of black voters, 56 percent, say Northam should not quit.

Even fewer Virginians say Northam should resign in a second poll out Wednesday, conducted by Ipsos Public Affairs for the University of Virginia Center for Politics. In that poll, which surveyed adults in the commonwealth, only 31 percent say Northam should resign, compared to 43 percent who say he shouldn’t.

Both polls show scant support for impeaching Northam.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:45:41am

re: #171 gwangung

Seriously, to me, this move just CONFIRMS the reputation the Post gave them.

he’s been surrounded by a host of people that are just using him to push this

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:46:26am

re: #177 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

If there’s a discovery process, that should be most interesting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:48:05am

re: #171 gwangung

Seriously, to me, this move just CONFIRMS the reputation the Post gave them.

Took some rethinking about this issue on my part but: it’s the MAGAt parents and the school administrators who are responsible for this not the teenagers who are pawns. The school allowed the students to wear the MAGA hats — a display that they knew would inflame the opposition. If they were truly interested in the “pro-life” movement, the attire should have been promoting that message only.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:50:51am

I used to actually have some respect for Pope Francis, but not anymore.

Pope Francis says that those who are constantly attacking the church are linked to the devil.

Francis on Wednesday told pilgrims from southern Italy that the church’s “defects” must be denounced in order to correct them. But he said that those who do so without love and spend their lives “accusing” the church are either the devil’s friends or relatives.

Francis spoke on the eve of a Vatican summit on clergy sex abuse and cover-ups by the church’s hierarchy. Detractors, including a former Vatican ambassador to the United States, have accused him of not properly dealing with top prelates and priests who were suspected abusers.

Francis didn’t cite specific accusations nor mention the summit in his remarks.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:57:54am

re: #176 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

for the time being, looks like northam, you remember him, has ridden it out. Politico

Insight from a black person(sounds like a good idea for a podcast):

I would rather have the devil I know than the Republicans in power at the state level. If the Republicans were in power in Virginia, life would be worse off for black voters. Ralph Northam in blackface that is looking out for the interests of black voters is a price I’d say many are willing to pay.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:00:12am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

I used to actually have some respect for Pope Francis, but not anymore.

Pope Francis says that those who are constantly attacking the church are linked to the devil.

Francis on Wednesday told pilgrims from southern Italy that the church’s “defects” must be denounced in order to correct them. But he said that those who do so without love and spend their lives “accusing” the church are either the devil’s friends or relatives.

Francis spoke on the eve of a Vatican summit on clergy sex abuse and cover-ups by the church’s hierarchy. Detractors, including a former Vatican ambassador to the United States, have accused him of not properly dealing with top prelates and priests who were suspected abusers.

Francis didn’t cite specific accusations nor mention the summit in his remarks.

Francis, your church has plenty of its own problems. Just stop this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:02:55am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Took some rethinking about this issue on my part but: it’s the MAGAt parents and the school administrators who are responsible for this not the teenagers who are pawns. The school allowed the students to wear the MAGA hats — a display that they knew would inflame the opposition. If they were truly interested in the “pro-life” movement, the attire should have been promoting that message only.

This was my point in the discussion when that event blew up the other week. The parents and administrators put kids into a high-profile confrontational situation without preparing them or doing anything to control or regulate their behavior.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:03:47am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

I used to actually have some respect for Pope Francis, but not anymore.

Pope Francis says that those who are constantly attacking the church are linked to the devil.

Just like anyone attacking Israel is an anti-Semite…

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jeffreyw  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:05:51am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:10:10am

The covert takeover of our lives and erosion of our privacy technology continues unabated:

Google said there’s absolutely, positively, nothing to worry about the secret microphone in your Nest Secure smart home hub that it didn’t tell you about. Nope, not at all. Just an oversight, said Google. No need to be alarmed. Everything is just fine.

When Google announced earlier this month that its Nest Secure would double-up as a Google Assistant, it sparked anger. Google hadn’t told anyone that the security hub had a microphone inside to begin with. There was no mention of the microphone on the initial list of tech specifications, nor was it mentioned after the company announced Google Assistant integration. (It’s there now.)

After Google, which owns Nest, realized its customers didn’t like being deceived or having their privacy violated, the company swallowed its pride and admitted fault

“The on-device microphone was never intended to be a secret and should have been listed in the tech specs,” said Google spokesperson Nicol Addison in an email to TechCrunch. “That was an error on our part. The microphone has never been on and is only activated when users specifically enable the option.”
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The amount of power these companies have over us is scary.

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wrenchwench  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:11:45am

re: #185 jeffreyw

[Don’t let your petty spats distract you from an existential threat.]

‘Tis the season.

We’ve had an influx of huge robins. They’re like little chickens, especially when they puff their feathers in the cold. It snowed most of the day yesterday, but some were still out and about. The indoor-only cats love the show out the windows.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:16:21am

re: #183 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This was my point in the discussion when that event blew up the other week. The parents and administrators put kids into a high-profile confrontational situation without preparing them or doing anything to control or regulate their behavior.

And the parents are again teaching their children the wrong lesson. Steve Chapman, a Chicago Tribune libertarian-type columnist, wrote a recent column on how as a teen-ager his attitudes and behavior were similar to the boys of Covington but he outgrew them and he thought these teenagers should be given a chance to learn from their mistakes. Unfortunately, the parents are reinforcing the toxic views that have led us to the Trump Presidency.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:16:23am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

[Embedded content]

The app clearly says “Please call us to reactivate”. FFS. The Nazi right are professional victims.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:19:33am

re: #179 Hecuba’s daughter

Took some rethinking about this issue on my part but: it’s the MAGAt parents and the school administrators who are responsible for this not the teenagers who are pawns. The school allowed the students to wear the MAGA hats — a display that they knew would inflame the opposition. If they were truly interested in the “pro-life” movement, the attire should have been promoting that message only.

as would their behavior the entire time they were there

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:21:06am

Law and order my ass…

Jeanne Pirro loves to tout that she’s all for law and order, except when it comes to fulfilling her obligations under the law. In this case, she’s failed to file with the FEC as required under the law. She has campaign debts that she has to report periodically, and she hasn’t done so in years. This stems from her failed Senate campaign, and the last time she filed was 2011.

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wrenchwench  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:21:20am

re: #189 Dr. Matt

The app clearly says “Please call us to reactivate”. FFS. The Nazi right are professional victims.

And/or the DeepState is really incompetent.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:21:51am

re: #189 Dr. Matt

The app clearly says “Please call us to reactivate”. FFS. The Nazi right are professional victims idiots.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:23:17am

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I think she’s convinced because it’s because of “Liberal Jews” being biased against her because she’s conservative. Her ideological twin in rot Shapiro loves to rag on liberal Jews too.

Claiming to be the victim of “Anti-Semitism” while hanging around Nazis & begging them to shag you is the definition of “chutzpah” (after the Menendez brothers murdered their parents and begged for mercy because they were orphans)

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:23:45am

re: #190 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

Where were the parents and chaperones this entire time? They trot the kid out as a “marytr” and then claim his actions should entitle him to $250 million.

There were no adults present to show how to behave? Or, they didn’t see anything wrong with their actions because they too are bigots and entitled white folks who don’t see minorities as having equal rights to them.

This is what institutional racism and bigotry looks like.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:25:54am

re: #195 lawhawk

Where were the parents and chaperones this entire time? They trot the kid out as a “marytr” and then claim his actions should entitle him to $250 million.

There were no adults present to show how to behave? Or, they didn’t see anything wrong with their actions because they too are bigots and entitled white folks who don’t see minorities as having equal rights to them.

This is what institutional racism and bigotry looks like.

The little shits went out looking for trouble. They wanted to start a fight with the “Black Israelites” (who are well known as Westboro-type sidewalk shouters) but decided to surround Nathan Phillips instead.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:28:36am

re: #195 lawhawk

Where were the parents and chaperones this entire time? They trot the kid out as a “marytr” and then claim his actions should entitle him to $250 million.

There were no adults present to show how to behave? Or, they didn’t see anything wrong with their actions because they too are bigots and entitled white folks who don’t see minorities as having equal rights to them.

This is what institutional racism and bigotry looks like.

The adults are absolutely a big problem in this. It was apparently the chaperones who encouraged the chants(they use them at sporting events) before the “confrontation” at the Lincoln Memorial- I think that behavior is patently offensive for the sacred space they were in.

Also, no matter how much the Black Israelite’s provoked them, or how much of a “threat” the students felt; at some point their behavior became inappropriate at best. It is the chaperones responsibility to prevent that from happening.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:28:40am

re: #194 The Vicious Babushka

Claiming to be the victim of “Anti-Semitism” while hanging around Nazis & begging them to shag you is the definition of “chutzpah” (after the Menendez brothers murdered their parents and begged for mercy because they were orphans)

Yeah, she hangs out with CCJ FFS. Fucking idiot.

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Semper Fi  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:29:34am

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

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CongoJack  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:30:52am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

Well that is shady.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:31:28am

TBF, I don’t think the chaperones or kids being from a non metropolitan area are familiar with the Black Israelites. That said, he’s not a fucking victim. And there was plenty of trashing of Nathan Phillips too by right wing allies of his. And as far as I can see, Nathan isn’t suing them. And the adults absolutely bare some responsibility. You’re going to a city that overwhelmingly rejected Trump and you’re wearing that hat? And yeah but I see that hat on anyone and I think less of that person. I either think “This guy’s a bigot” or “This guy is indifferent to bigotry” and that shit to me is all the same.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:33:11am

re: #196 The Vicious Babushka

The little shits went out looking for trouble. They wanted to start a fight with the “Black Israelites” (who are well known as Westboro-type sidewalk shouters) but decided to surround Nathan Phillips instead.

of course they were looking for trouble
whether they targeted this group or just came upon them i dont know because

as i understand it, the rally was at the national mall
this happened at the lincoln memorial

it had absolutely nothing to do with why they were in DC

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:33:35am

re: #169 Eclectic Cyborg

Probably already mentioned but…

Attorneys for a Kentucky high school student who was at the center of a viral video controversy are suing the Washington Post, seeking $250 million in damages>.

The law firm Hemmer DeFrank Wessels on Tuesday wrote a post on its website that said attorneys Lin Wood and Todd McMurtry have filed the lawsuit on behalf of Nicholas Sandmann against the newspaper for “compensatory and punitive damages.”

“This is only the beginning,” the law firm said.

Sandmann, a student at Covington Catholic High School, was in Washington on January 18 for the annual March for Life rally wearing a red Make American Great Again hat. In a video that gained national attention, he was in an encounter with Omaha tribe elder Nathan Phillips, who was playing a drum and chanting at the Indigenous Peoples March at the Lincoln Memorial on the same day.

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I hope these kids look back on this when they get older and realize how stupid they were.

But I doubt it.

I thought only whiny snowflake libtards hired lawyers to get them free stuff money and conservatives didn’t file frivolous lawsuits because tort reform, etc.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:33:58am

TBH I wish private instiutions wouldn’t goddamn take their kids to anti-abortion rallies. If their parents want to do it on their own time, fine but man the idea of a bunch of high school boys who most certainly do talk about women in lewd ways being bused to protest a woman’s right to choose makes me queasy as shit. And they get credit for that shit too. It’s not like they were visiting Washington to visit the WH, Congress, etc. They were were there explicitly for political reasons and that’s their right of course but it speaks to their character too.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:34:06am

Frame the issue.

Bernie the radical.
Bernie’s ideas are now mainstream.

That makes the Democrats radical and liberal and socialist.

Umm…. here’s a bit of reality/fact check.

Bernie’s not the first or only one to propose Medicare for All (or health coverage for all Americans). For that, you’d have to go back to FDR and Truman who both proposed health coverage for all Americans, but couldn’t follow through with that.

More recently, the M4A proposal took a concrete form in 2003 with Rep. Conyers’ version - so that makes Sanders a latecomer to the game. He’s cribbing from those who came before him, but we’re supposed to treat him and his ideas as new? We’re supposed to believe that the party is somehow radical because he’s proposing it and now everyone else is back to running on the idea (or some iteration of the idea of making sure all Americans have health coverage)?

Nope. That’s not even remotely close to reality.

And the more we look, the more we need to remind people that the Democrats have always been for making sure people have health coverage and that they are the ones who are out to protect those who are least able to care for themselves. The GOP thinks only of more tax breaks for corporations that don’t need them (as witnessed by more evidence showing companies are paying no tax thanks to the TCJA but none of the benefits are being passed along to employees or customers - but shareholders are raking it in).

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:34:17am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

Sounds legit.

When has Edgar or the Electoral Boaard ever done us wrong?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:34:23am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

no doubt he’s got a nigerian cousin

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:35:12am

re: #202 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

of course they were looking for trouble
whether they targeted this group or just came upon them i dont know because

as i understand it, the rally was at the national mall
this happened at the lincoln memorial

it had absolutely nothing to do with why they were in DC

As I recall, it happened after the rally was over. The day after even. I went to a couple of events in DC when I was in high school. I don’t think I would have worn a backpack with a button for a political candidate. The school allowed this to be politicized by okaying the MAGA hats.

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wrenchwench  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:35:14am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I didn’t know you were such a highly Esteem citizen. Does it keep the wrinkles out of your pants?

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Teukka  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:36:28am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

re: #200 CongoJack

Well that is shady.

Shady indeed. Someone trying to generate a list of people to be “relocated east”?

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:36:41am

re: #28 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Not sure if you have heard this news, but Loony Laura has lost access to her Chase bank account, per Dim Jim.

As with anything from these two, take this information with a large shaker of salt.

She shared this cap from her phone.

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THE BIG BANKS ARE IN ON THE DEEP STATE CENSORSHIP!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:36:59am

re: #210 Teukka

Shady indeed. Someone trying to generate a list of people to be “relocated east”?

Nope, it’s just another advance fee fraud.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:37:45am

re: #199 Semper Fi

I received an email yesterday:

From: Edgar Pinzon
Reply-To: edgarpinzon00a@gmail.com

Dear Esteem Citizen

This mail is in compliance with the United State Government concerning the election coming up in the year 2020,The election board has discussed with United States companies who are willing to support the 2020 election and they have complied to finance the campaign through united state citizens.

You will receive the funds from any of the companies to pay to our candidates’ account specified by us, You will also receive a compensation ( House Benefit ) for supporting the 2020 election,If interested kindly identify with these details as follows:

1.name
2.Gender
3.state/City
4.Religion
5.House and office address
6.Mobile Numbers
7.Occupation
8.Age

We need your urgent reply as to enlist interested citizens for the campaign preparation soon.

Edgar Pinzon.
DG Internal affairs.
Electoral Boaard.

Yes this looks completely legit.

///

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:38:02am

re: #205 lawhawk

Frame the issue.

Bernie the radical.
Bernie’s ideas are now mainstream.

That makes the Democrats radical and liberal and socialist.

Umm…. here’s a bit of reality/fact check.

Bernie’s not the first or only one to propose Medicare for All (or health coverage for all Americans). For that, you’d have to go back to FDR and Truman who both proposed health coverage for all Americans, but couldn’t follow through with that.

More recently, the M4A proposal took a concrete form in 2003 with Rep. Conyers’ version - so that makes Sanders a latecomer to the game. He’s cribbing from those who came before him, but we’re supposed to treat him and his ideas as new? We’re supposed to believe that the party is somehow radical because he’s proposing it and now everyone else is back to running on the idea (or some iteration of the idea of making sure all Americans have health coverage)?

Nope. That’s not even remotely close to reality.

And the more we look, the more we need to remind people that the Democrats have always been for making sure people have health coverage and that they are the ones who are out to protect those who are least able to care for themselves. The GOP thinks only of more tax breaks for corporations that don’t need them (as witnessed by more evidence showing companies are paying no tax thanks to the TCJA but none of the benefits are being passed along to employees or customers - but shareholders are raking it in).

M4A is (re)gaining steam because of all the gutting to O’Care.

if the ACA had been left alone, there would have been less need to talk about alternatives right now

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:38:14am

re: #205 lawhawk

Frame the issue.

Bernie the radical.
Bernie’s ideas are now mainstream.

That makes the Democrats radical and liberal and socialist.

Umm…. here’s a bit of reality/fact check.

Bernie’s not the first or only one to propose Medicare for All (or health coverage for all Americans). For that, you’d have to go back to FDR and Truman who both proposed health coverage for all Americans, but couldn’t follow through with that.

More recently, the M4A proposal took a concrete form in 2003 with Rep. Conyers’ version - so that makes Sanders a latecomer to the game. He’s cribbing from those who came before him, but we’re supposed to treat him and his ideas as new? We’re supposed to believe that the party is somehow radical because he’s proposing it and now everyone else is back to running on the idea (or some iteration of the idea of making sure all Americans have health coverage)?

Nope. That’s not even remotely close to reality.

And the more we look, the more we need to remind people that the Democrats have always been for making sure people have health coverage and that they are the ones who are out to protect those who are least able to care for themselves. The GOP thinks only of more tax breaks for corporations that don’t need them (as witnessed by more evidence showing companies are paying no tax thanks to the TCJA but none of the benefits are being passed along to employees or customers - but shareholders are raking it in).

IIRC the late Reprsentative Dingell repeatedly introduced universal health care legislation that his father had once done so in the 30’s. Bernie’s not new or fresh. He was just another flavor of the month like Ron Paul before him to a bunch of people who fall for soundbite politics. It’s why it doesn’t surprise me that people who once supported Ron Paul whose economic message couldn’t be more different than Bernie’s found themselves attracted to Bernie. People like that don’t do nuance. People like Obama or Clinton don’t impress them because Obama and Clinton acknowledge that there are no easy fixes to our problems. People like Bernie and Ron Paul OTOH do. It’s not an ideological person that Bernie attracts, it’s a way of thinking.

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Semper Fi  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:38:31am

re: #209 wrenchwench

I didn’t know you were such a highly Esteem citizen. Does it keep the wrinkles out of your pants?

No, but it keeps a smile on my face.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:38:44am

re: #206 bd (Emergency!)

Sounds legit.

When has Edgar or the Electoral Boaard ever done us wrong?

It’s in compliance with the United States Government!!!!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:39:57am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

As I recall, it happened after the rally was over. The day after even. I went to a couple of events in DC when I was in high school. I don’t think I would have worn a backpack with a button for a political candidate. The school allowed this to be politicized by okaying the MAGA hats.

and by not supervising their students, who are/were minors

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Dr. Matt  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:40:31am

The Nazi right always moans and whines that the Left plays “identity politics”, but because some asshole loser (who happens to be a conservative female and Jewish) got temporarily locked out of her bank account the first thing they do evoke is her identity. Fucking idiots.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:41:59am

Trumpers and their allies hate hearing it but the MAGA hat does mean hatred to many people in this country. And you know what? There’s a legitimate reason for that because of Trump himself. Trump doesn’t inspire love. He inspires hate and he has from the minute he ran for President if not longer ago. You may think you’re “loving your country” by wearing that fugly hat but you’re saying to many people “I’m okay with a bully that mocks disabled reporters. I’m okay with a man who makes the ethnicity of a judge judging my fraud case an issue to my audience who knows nothing about why I was sued in the first place. I’m okay with a guy who insists he’s a friend to the LGBT community and then makes one of the biggest homophobes ever elected statewide in a state his running mate.” That’s what that hat means to many people outside the MAGA bubble that these kids and their families live in.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:43:01am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

The Nazi right always moans and whines that the Left plays “identity politics”, but because some asshole loser (who happens to be a conservative female and Jewish) got temporarily locked out of her bank account the first thing they do evoke is her identity. Fucking idiots.

The right loves identity politics for itself. Candece Owens pulled it on AOC when she implied that AOC wouldn’t reply to her because Candece is a black conservative woman. Rich shit but then again Candece seems to think the Nazis were making Germany great before 1939.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:44:59am

re: #197 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The adults are absolutely a big problem in this. It was apparently the chaperones who encouraged the chants(they use them at sporting events) before the “confrontation” at the Lincoln Memorial- I think that behavior is patently offensive for the sacred space they were in.

Also, no matter how much the Black Israelite’s provoked them, or how much of a “threat” the students felt; at some point their behavior became inappropriate at best. It is the chaperones responsibility to prevent that from happening.

This whole brouhaha has stink of ratfucking. First the “FAKE NEWS!!!!” video was released (they never identified who released it or how it became viral) and then the “real, TRUE video” was released in order to cement the DISHONEST JOURNALISTS!!!1!! FAKE NEWS!!!11!!! narrative.

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wrenchwench  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:46:27am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

The Nazi right always moans and whines that the Left plays “identity politics”, but because some asshole loser (who happens to be a conservative female and Jewish) got temporarily locked out of her bank account the first thing they do evoke is her identity. Fucking idiots.

The Democratic idea of ‘identity politics’ (the term having been foisted upon them) is, ‘Let everybody in, regardless of identity, but let them keep said identity. No requirements to assimilate or conform.’

The Republican idea of identity politics is, ”point out each identity, then judge them, make them conform, or get rid of them.”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:48:06am
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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:49:25am

re: #197 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

The adults are absolutely a big problem in this. It was apparently the chaperones who encouraged the chants(they use them at sporting events) before the “confrontation” at the Lincoln Memorial- I think that behavior is patently offensive for the sacred space they were in.

Also, no matter how much the Black Israelite’s provoked them, or how much of a “threat” the students felt; at some point their behavior became inappropriate at best. It is the chaperones responsibility to prevent that from happening.

I get the feeling the chaperones may have encouraged rather than prevent. Notice how we don’t hear much about the actual chaperones and their part in all of it.

Like already stated, they let them wear the hats. They knew what comes with that.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:51:09am

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:51:20am

As a lifelong DC area resident, I just wish visitors to the city knew that people live here. Some are bureaucrats. Some bartend. DC isn’t a zoo where you gawk at the animals and think you’re so superior. People live and work here. The Covington kids and their chaperones showed so much arrogance towards the people who call this city home.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:51:40am

re: #158 steve_davis

Yeah, because I’m sure there are no conservative Jewish folks involved in banking circles. It’s not like investment banking makes it into the top three job choices every Jewish mother throughout history has hoped their eldest son will go into, right behind rabbi and doctor.

“What beautiful grandchildren. How old are they?”
“The doctor is 5, the lawyer is 3.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:52:00am

re: #226 plansbandc

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The word of Ma, amen.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:53:09am

UPDATE: this is due to a medical condition and recovery from same.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:53:15am

re: #202 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

of course they were looking for trouble
whether they targeted this group or just came upon them i dont know because

as i understand it, the rally was at the national mall
this happened at the lincoln memorial

it had absolutely nothing to do with why they were in DC

It was said they were told to meet up at the Lincoln Memorial for when the buses came to take them back to Kentucky. This all supposedly happened while waiting. You know, the kids will be kids excuse.

Why the chaperones let them get involved is still the big question for me.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:53:22am

re: #224 Patricia Kayden

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As with most everything, the Uranium One conspiracy is just projection…

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:56:25am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:57:19am

re: #233 lawhawk

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RBG is so awesome,

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:57:22am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because right now she has a higher profile than any current Democratic candidate, Right now Obama is not endorsing anyone, either

Here’s a crazy idea: endorse the winner of the primary

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:00:05am

The fat orange tyrant’s parade:

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:02:52am

re: #219 Dr. Matt

The Nazi right always moans and whines that the Left plays “identity politics”, but because some asshole loser (who happens to be a conservative female and Jewish) got temporarily locked out of her bank account the first thing they do evoke is her identity. Fucking idiots.

I need a scorecard.

Who are the Nazis???

Loomer is calling the liberals at every place that shuts her down Nazis?

That seems to be the new take from all at the conservative side of things.

I guess National Socialist German Workers’ Party, the full name of the German Nazis is the key here.

See that bold Socialist in the name?

Yep, Alexandria started it, some Democrats have acknowledge socialism can be a good thing and next you know the left are all Nazis.

Gonna see a lot of this. Seems to be written in stone now. Trump will probably end up using it now too.

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:08:04am

re: #237 ObserverArt

I had a thought the other day: What would these people call what the US was doing during WW2? The US government was controlling every aspect of production throughout the country.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:10:55am

re: #238 Belafon

I had a thought the other day: What would these people call what the US was doing during WW2? The US government was controlling every aspect of production throughout the country.

That’s a great question.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:11:24am

re: #231 ObserverArt

It was said they were told to meet up at the Lincoln Memorial for when the buses came to take them back to Kentucky. This all supposedly happened while waiting. You know, the kids will be kids excuse.

Why the chaperones let them get involved is still the big question for me
.

i am sure the wapo attorneys are already on that question

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:12:57am

re: #236 plansbandc

The fat orange tyrant’s parade:

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I love the touch with the baby in the cage.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:13:59am

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

I love the touch with the baby in the cage.

The Russian and Confederate flags are a nice touch as well.

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plansbandc  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:15:25am

re: #242 Kilroy was here

I like the itty bitty canon between the trumptank’s treads.

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Semper Fi  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:15:48am

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

I love the touch with the baby in the cage.

With me it’s the red tie. I get much enjoyment from that tie.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:15:48am

re: #237 ObserverArt

I need a scorecard.

Who are the Nazis???

Loomer is calling the liberals at every place that shuts her down Nazis?

That seems to be the new take from all at the conservative side of things.

I guess National Socialist German Workers’ Party, the full name of the German Nazis is the key here.

See that bold Socialist in the name?

Yep, Alexandria started it, some Democrats have acknowledge socialism can be a good thing and next you know the left are all Nazis.

Gonna see a lot of this. Seems to be written in stone now. Trump will probably end up using it now too.

hey, that bozo editor in alabama who wrote the asinine KKK should ride on washington nonsense?

it’s The Democrat-Reporter in Linden, Alabama.

he’s really a libtard

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:15:50am

re: #238 Belafon

I had a thought the other day: What would these people call what the US was doing during WW2? The US government was controlling every aspect of production throughout the country.

They would excuse it as a needed all-in war effort. A good thing.

But you are right, it was basically a National total (totalitarian) takeover.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:16:55am

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

I love the touch with the baby in the cage.

the pacifier!

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:17:01am
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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:25:58am

Heh, Mark Bryan is a fun illustrator. I checked out his web site. Here are a couple other great takes.

First off a proper link to his site. Go visit him, maybe buy a poster.

The Art of Mark Bryan

Too Much Trump - by Mark Bryan
The Trump -o- Matic by Mark Bryan
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:28:37am

re: #249 ObserverArt

Heh, Mark Bryan is a fun illustrator. I checked out his web site. Here are a couple other great takes.

First off a proper link to his site. Go visit him, maybe buy a poster.

The Art of Mark Bryan

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Those are both really good. I really like the Trump o Matic since it’s a great visualization of how his rallies are but Too Much Trump really speaks to the exasperation we feel.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:32:47am

re: #242 Kilroy was here

The Russian and Confederate flags are a nice touch as well.

As are the sheep spectators.

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makeitstop  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:33:51am

re: #200 CongoJack

Well that is shady.

The syntax makes perfect sense if you read it with a Russian accent.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:35:29am

re: #252 makeitstop

The syntax makes perfect sense if you read it with a Russian accent.

united state citizens?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:36:46am

re: #253 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

united state citizens?

Da, hello fellow United States citizen. I much like freedom, apple pie, & baseball.//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:37:48am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Da, hello fellow United States citizen. I much like freedom, apple pie, & baseball.//

And large American breasts

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:38:06am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:40:26am

re: #256 The Vicious Babushka

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Yikes. And yeah going what about Israel when Jewish people are attacked is complete horseshit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:41:28am

There are many ways to spell hate, none of them good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:42:46am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Yikes. And yeah going what about Israel when Jewish people are attacked is complete horseshit.

Also: it is possible to be pro-Israel and not Anti-Semitic while thinking Bibi & Jared Kushner are fuckheads.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:43:23am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Also: it is possible to be pro-Israel and not Anti-Semitic while thinking Bibi & Jared Kushner are fuckheads.

Absolutely.

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Barefoot Grin  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:45:16am

“Love Your Pet Day” is trending on twitter. Can’t wait for tomorrow so I can get back to kicking my dog. /////

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:45:40am

re: #258 Eclectic Cyborg

There are many ways to spell hate, none of them good.

TBH what VB showed reminded me of right wing assholes who go “Well what about black on black crime?” Israeli policy doesn’t justify any of these acts of violence. No more than ISIS’ actions in the ME justifies attacking Muslims here in the US or in Europe.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:45:56am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Also: it is possible to be pro-Israel and not Anti-Semitic while thinking Bibi & Jared Kushner are fuckheads.

That would briefly summarize my views.

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Jay C  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:47:07am

re: #263 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Also: it is possible to be pro-Israel and not Anti-Semitic while thinking Bibi & Jared Kushner are fuckheads.

That would briefly summarize my views.

And mine, too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:47:43am

re: #263 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

That would briefly summarize my views.

I support Israel’s right to exist. If I don’t like what the Israeli government does, I will hold the government members responsible. I hate Brexit, May, Farange, & the UKIP but I support Britain’s right to exist as a nation and to defend itself. Ditto Israel.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:48:13am

re: #264 Jay C

And mine, too.

Mine as well.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:49:15am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:49:52am

re: #246 ObserverArt

They would excuse it as a needed all-in war effort. A good thing.

But you are right, it was basically a National total (totalitarian) takeover.

Which would mean there are cases when socialism is useful. Then we can discuss when.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:51:01am

If I were a Jew in France, would the Anti-Semitism there inspire me to move to Israel? Maybe it would: *IF* I had relatives in Israel and *IF* I already knew Hebrew. Moving to a foreign country in middle age or later it is that much harder to learn a new language.

I might consider moving to Quebec because at least they speak French there, even if it is a base provincial dialect.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:51:20am

re: #267 Patricia Kayden

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Fair play for the Bros who have been attacking Harris and the others.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:58:02am

Watch this clip of Tucker Carlson going ballistic on Rutger Bregman

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:59:50am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I support Israel’s right to exist. If I don’t like what the Israeli government does, I will hold the government members responsible. I hate Brexit, May, Farange, & the UKIP but I support Britain’s right to exist as a nation and to defend itself. Ditto Israel.

that this needs to be explained, stated out loud, is proof that the ‘other side’ is totally disingenuous

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:03:24am

re: #269 The Vicious Babushka

If I were a Jew in France, would the Anti-Semitism there inspire me to move to Israel? Maybe it would: *IF* I had relatives in Israel and *IF* I already knew Hebrew. Moving to a foreign country in middle age or later it is that much harder to learn a new language.

I might consider moving to Quebec because at least they speak French there, even if it is a base provincial dialect.

If things get much worse in France, that won’t be a problem. Enough French Jews will make aliyah that they’ll end up like Russian Israeli Jews, with plenty of access to their native language.

(Getting DT and his base out of power is our little part in reversing that trend.)

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:04:54am

Hidden for gun porn:

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:09:55am

re: #259 The Vicious Babushka

Also: it is possible to be pro-Israel and not Anti-Semitic while thinking Bibi & Jared Kushner are fuckheads.

It is also possible to be pro-USA while thinking Trump and Trump Republicans are fuckheads.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:10:01am

re: #274 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:10:06am

JFC

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:12:36am

re: #238 Belafon

I had a thought the other day: What would these people call what the US was doing during WW2? The US government was controlling every aspect of production throughout the country.

Some factory owners even went to prison for profiteering… the Truman Committee is how a fringey back-bencher senator became such a popular national figure he got picked as running mate for FDR’s 4th term.

senate.gov

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:12:45am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Wow, Carlson is even dumber than he looks.

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CongoJack  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:13:00am

Is there anyway you can see who has blocked you on twitter?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:13:02am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:13:59am

Historian tells Carlson an obvious and unpleasant truth, and suddenly he’s a tiny-brained moron.

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Old Liberal  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:17:30am

re: #182 HappyWarrior

Francis, your church has plenty of its own problems. Just stop this.

He said those who attack without love. Well I LOVE to attack so as much as I’d like to get on Satans team I guess I’m ok in Frankie’s eyes.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:17:37am

re: #282 jaunte

Historian tells Carlson an obvious and unpleasant truth, and suddenly he’s a tiny-brained moron.

well if you control the microphone, if you out-shout them, you win

he who yells the loudest and last has to be ‘correct’, right?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:20:28am

re: #284 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

well if you control the microphone, if you out-shout them, you win

he who yells the loudest and last has to be ‘correct’, right?

“If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table.”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:20:56am
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jaunte  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:22:57am
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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:25:47am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Watch this clip of Tucker Carlson going ballistic on Rutger Bregman

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:26:08am

Well you all know about Holocaust Denial, but did you know there is Slave Ship denial? This rando showed up in Michael Twitty (African-American historian) timeline.

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makeitstop  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:26:21am

re: #271 The Vicious Babushka

Watch this clip of Tucker Carlson going ballistic on Rutger Bregman

[Embedded content]

I won’t watch, because I’ll end up wanting to punch Carlson in the throat more than I already do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:27:46am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Well you all know about Holocaust Denial, but did you know there is Slave Ship denial? This rando showed up in Michael Twitty (African-American historian) timeline.

[Embedded content]

JFC. The stupid is strong in that one.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:27:58am

re: #280 CongoJack

Is there anyway you can see who has blocked you on twitter?

Go to their page in a web browser.

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CongoJack  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:28:04am

re: #290 makeitstop

watched it… i recommend it… the historian is calm and just drops truth and you can hear (sadly cant see) Tucker’s brain attempt to kick in and it stalls wonderfully.

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:28:39am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Same folks convinced by James Inhofe’s snowball.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:30:43am

From downstairs:

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Why do I have an uncomfortable feeling of not entirely trusting Andrew McCabe?

These FBI guys weird me out.

Try living in Brunswick Georgia, why is the site of the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (trains all Federal LE *except* the FBI).

You see the fed clones everywhere. Short cropped hair or bald. Short mustache. Mirror aviator classes. White.

Even weirder is when you get a notification that you were the subject of a practice monitoring exercise where a fed trainee tailed you for a week. Yeah, good times.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:31:49am

re: #295 Scottish Dragon

From downstairs:

re: #140 Charles Johnson

Try living in Brunswick Georgia, why is the site of the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (trains all Federal LE *except* the FBI).

You see the fed clones everywhere. Short cropped hair or bald. Short mustache. Mirror aviator classes. White.

Even weirder is when you get a notification that you were the subject of a practice monitoring exercise where a fed trainee tailed you for a week. Yeah, good times.

Holy hell.

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lawhawk  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:35:08am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Saw that dumbass…. and yeah, it’s a thing.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:35:51am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

If the Fed trainee shows up missing, they failed.

//

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jaunte  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:38:50am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:39:51am

Okay, this is creepily weird.

English course on what to do if you get mugged explained by cheery Japanese girls

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:41:17am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At first I misread that as “if you get mugged by cheery Japanese girls” and I was thinking: “Wow, what an oddly specific circumstance to focus on.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:41:36am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Well you all know about Holocaust Denial, but did you know there is Slave Ship denial? This rando showed up in Michael Twitty (African-American historian) timeline.

Until I see a literal slave ship and not some drawing. I’ll never believe the slave trade happened. How you ship millions of slaves and dont have one ship left to show for it? I believe we were already here

do i gotta replace that with dinosaur, george washington, or a star?

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:42:19am

re: #296 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy hell.

Happened to my spouse at least once. They approach you and give you an envelope with the message that you were under practice surveillance.

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Scottish Dragon  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:44:44am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Okay, this is creepily weird.

English course on what to do if you get mugged explained by cheery Japanese girls

I saw this on the same day I learned that falcon sex hats were a real thing.

Our alien overlords have screwed the simulation up beyond repair.

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ObserverArt  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:52:46am

re: #289 The Vicious Babushka

Well you all know about Holocaust Denial, but did you know there is Slave Ship denial? This rando showed up in Michael Twitty (African-American historian) timeline.

[Embedded content]

Damn. Where to go with an idiot like that?

Someone should at least ask him to show us other ships from the 1700s. Because he is going to have a hard time producing one.

There is the USS Constitution, but it has been rehabbed and restored and looked after to keep it in shape.

Oh wait. I bet he says there are no ships because no one used ships and everyone is right where they have always been.

One thing about social media that really bums me out is that you get to see there are people like this. They have always existed, but they were not so easily heard. Now, they get on line and proudly display their ignorance.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 20, 2019 • 12:21:22pm

re: #230 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

UPDATE: this is due to a medical condition and recovery from same.

Novichok exposure?

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CarolJ  Feb 20, 2019 • 2:56:05pm

re: #291 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC. The stupid is strong in that one.

Didn’t even think it was possible. I mean we’re here, and certainly millions of Africans did not canoe or swim the Atlantic back then. There was a big war fought over this, and plenty of records of sales. I suspect that slave ships aren’t very findable because slavery was a get rich quick thing-ships were built just sturdy enough to make the trip, and once it was made, probably scuttled and replaced by new ships. There was little need to make very sturdy ships for multiple trips. Once the ship made its round trip, that was good enough.

As for anti-Semitism: I’m a one-stater myself. But justifying beating up on innocent people is bad. People like that are no friend to the Palestinians and for that matter, many other people. I’m not really sure they care about the Palestinians that are local, let alone local Jews.
Actions like these just serve to justify even more draconian security measures in France and elsewhere as scared people try to find some security to live their lives.


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