A Simple Tale of an Unlikely Friendship, From Pixar: “Kitbull”

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Kitbull, directed by Rosana Sullivan and produced by Kathryn Hendrickson, reveals an unlikely connection that sparks between two creatures: a fiercely independent stray kitten and a pit bull. Together, they experience friendship for the first time.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:10:36pm

“The killing of Europe’s Jews stemmed from the pitiful ideas of a handful of inadequate cranks. Through a series of devastating military and economic events, so many echelons of Germany’s normal leadership (albeit itself often anti-Semitic in a ‘traditional’ way) were killed or discredited that these pitiful figures came to power. Virulent anti-Semitism was a vital glue in making Nazism, but its mass support came from Hitler’s promise to make Germany great again, with anti-Semitism only a minor element. It was a measure of the despair and confusion of the time that so many Germans were willing to concede the idea that defeat in 1918 and the rise of communism was somehow to do with ‘the Jews’, but this was thousands of miles from any endorsement of what became Auschwitz.”

(from ‘Germania’, by Simon Winder)

The persecution of America’s immigrants stemmed from the pitiful ideas of a handful of inadequate cranks. Through a series of devastating military and economic events, so many echelons of America’s normal leadership (albeit itself often anti-Immigrant in a ‘traditional’ way) were killed or discredited that these pitiful figures came to power. Virulent anti-Immigrantism was a vital glue in making Trumpism, but its mass support came from Trump’s promise to make America great again, with anti-Immigrantism only a minor element. It was a measure of the despair and confusion of the time that so many Americans were willing to concede the idea that personal defeat in surviving economic problems and the rise of communism was somehow to do with ‘immigrants’, both legal and illegal, but this was thousands of miles from any endorsement of what became ….

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:11:36pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:12:57pm

Nice to see a heartwarming video today.

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:14:14pm

CL’d again. Gotta stop taking time on other sites when we’re near a new thread…

re: #49 Chrysicat
re: #37 The Vicious Babushka

Here is John Wayne looking all “Master racy ‘n’ shit”

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Are…are those shaven legs?!?

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:16:56pm

re: #4 Chrysicat

I think so!

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Belafon  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:18:48pm

re: #4 Chrysicat

CL’d again. Gotta stop taking time on other sites when we’re near a new thread…

I’ve tried to estimate his time window on new threads, but it can be +- up to two hours.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:23:30pm
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garzooma  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:45:40pm

re: #1 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

The persecution of America’s immigrants stemmed from the pitiful ideas of a handful of inadequate cranks. Through a series of devastating military and economic events, so many echelons of America’s normal leadership (albeit itself often anti-Immigrant in a ‘traditional’ way) were killed or discredited that these pitiful figures came to power. .

Except there really aren’t a “series of devastating military and economic events”. Spending too much time in Afghanistan and low growth is nothing like losing a major war and hyperinflation.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:49:54pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 8:56:04pm

re: #8 garzooma

Except there really aren’t a “series of devastating military and economic events”. Spending too much time in Afghanistan and low growth is nothing like losing a major war and hyperinflation.

And subjected to a brutal peace accord imposed by the victorious forces.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:00:27pm

re: #9 teleskiguy

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Now that’s a great way for two people to help each other out.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:04:04pm

Once hailed as unhackable, blockchains are now getting hacked

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:05:26pm

I’ve gotten messages/texts from almost a half dozen of my friends saying I need to get this picture of me taken last night framed. It was taken with a smartphone. Technology, man.

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retired cynic  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:07:06pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

It is gorgeous! If you have that framed on your wall, every time you see it, it will bring that moment back in your heart.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:07:41pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Pics by my skiing partner.

Instagram

Awesome night enjoying tacos and beer on top of Sunlight, and a beautiful ski down. Full moon hikes are the best. @sunlightmountainresort
#fullmoonski #skicolorado #earnyourturns #optoutside #forceofnature #chaseyourgoat #skinningup #colorado #visitglenwood #happiness #nature #ski

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ckkatz  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:14:16pm

re: #12 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Once hailed as unhackable, blockchains are now getting hacked

Reminds me of the old joke about the automated system that was touted for removing human error. So, not to worry because:
Nothing can go wrong… go wrong… go wrong… go wrong… go wrong… go wrong… go wrong… go wrong…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:14:55pm

re: #8 garzooma

Except there really aren’t a “series of devastating military and economic events”. Spending too much time in Afghanistan and low growth is nothing like losing a major war and hyperinflation.

still, the raw parallels that emerge from brutally tearing out a meditation on nazism written in 2009 and photoshopping trumpismo onto it seem to me to clarify things

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:15:37pm

re: #12 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Once hailed as unhackable, blockchains are now getting hacked

if you can code it, it can be hacked

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:18:09pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

Fun facts. My backpack is all bulge-y ‘cause I was carrying 15 pounds of frozen pork butt back down to the lodge from the taco truck up top, which we open for two hours on full moon nights (also open all day weekends and holidays, hey jaunte, Sunlight has on-mountain dining now, in the form of a taco truck! HEH! TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER, BRING IT!). You had to hike up the mountain to catch the open food truck. We were slinging street tacos, beers, and margaritas at almost 10,000 feet. Put $300 in the till, and everybody that gave us money hiked up 2,000 vertical feet in the dark. Full moon was spectacular

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:31:43pm

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

And subjected to a brutal peace accord imposed by the victorious forces.

To say nothing of the casualty levels of WWI trench warfare. They lost something like half of the males of the fighting-age generations.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:37:45pm

re: #20 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

To say nothing of the casualty levels of WWI trench warfare. They lost something like half of the males of the fighting-age generations.

All the European forces — on both sides of the conflict — suffered high casualties. Trench warfare was a nightmare. The human race is capable of such evil — and we never seem to learn our lessons.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:43:35pm

Love this animated short. Makes me tear up and also be very grateful for our rescue cats and dog. None of them had an easy start but they are big babies now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:45:25pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I’ve gotten messages/texts from almost a half dozen of my friends saying I need to get this picture of me taken last night framed. It was taken with a smartphone. Technology, man.

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It really is a kickass photo.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:46:35pm

I saw this video a couple of days ago; it really hit me, because one of my cats is a dead ringer for this little guy. Both in personality - skittish, but loving - and appearance.

Had to skip a couple of times and pause, because the scenes of animals suffering at the hands of humans just really sets me off.

All tuckered out after defending the house from rodents.
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William Lewis  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:46:42pm

re: #13 teleskiguy

I’ve gotten messages/texts from almost a half dozen of my friends saying I need to get this picture of me taken last night framed. It was taken with a smartphone. Technology, man.

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They’re right.

I’m not a skier, man, busted my knee when the army tried to teach me. But that picture? It can make me understand your love of it.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:48:25pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

It really is a kickass photo.

I agree wholeheartedly.

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sagehen  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:56:17pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Fun facts. My backpack is all bulge-y ‘cause I was carrying 15 pounds of frozen pork butt back down to the lodge from the taco truck up top, which we open for two hours on full moon nights (also open all day weekends and holidays, hey jaunte, Sunlight has on-mountain dining now, in the form of a taco truck! HEH! TACO TRUCKS ON EVERY CORNER, BRING IT!). You had to hike up the mountain to catch the open food truck. We were slinging street tacos, beers, and margaritas at almost 10,000 feet. Put $300 in the till, and everybody that gave us money hiked up 2,000 vertical feet in the dark. Full moon was spectacular

Is there a road? How did the taco truck get up there?

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2019 • 9:56:50pm

Not sure if this needs a private tag or not, so I will put it there (trigger for motor-neurone disease)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:02:15pm

re: #12 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Once hailed as unhackable, blockchains are now getting hacked

The 51% weakness is especially a problem for smaller blockchain projects, like the one mentioned in the article - Ethereum Classic. A bad actor with enough money to buy the equipment, or rent equipment, can basically take over the network. There have been several other attacks in the last year.

For the larger projects, notably Bitcoin and Ethereum, it would be prohibitively expensive to attempt a 51% attack, to the point that you would lose money even if you could succeed.

Nothing is unhackable, just as ocean liners are not unsinkable.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:05:01pm

re: #27 sagehen

Is there a road? How did the taco truck get up there?

It found a corner to park on.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:05:55pm

re: #27 sagehen

Is there a road? How did the taco truck get up there?

We removed the wheels and replaced them with sections of road guard rails that act as “skis” and we towed it up there with a snowcat.

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:08:59pm

re: #19 teleskiguy

Must be murder just getting to work this month from Gypsum, or have they already reopened Glenwood Canyon? I remember seeing on the news around the end of January that it was back to having to go through Craig to get from Gypsum to Glenwood…

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:13:20pm

re: #32 Chrysicat

That closure lasted less than 24 hours. It was a small rockslide compared to the one which shut down I-70 in Glenwood Canyon for a week three years ago. It took two months to get all four lanes open with that rockslide. They had to dynamite three rocks the size of semi trailers to break them apart so they could move them.

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:13:53pm

re: #31 teleskiguy

We removed the wheels and replaced them with sections of road guard rails that act as “skis” and we towed it up there with a snowcat.

Brilliant!

We don’t have that problem here. We just put food trailers all over the fucking place. In the downtown core pretty much any ethnic food you want is a ten-minute drive from where you are in a three mile circle from the State Capitol.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:15:04pm
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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:18:03pm

re: #34 austin_blue

Dude, last time I saw Umphrey’s McGee in Austin was 2016 at Stubbs, and after the show I walked around and caught a lot of cool music on 6th Street. At the end of the night, walking back to my hotel room, FOOD TRUCKS! EVERYWHERE! Frankly, I was impressed. And shit, there’s a food truck in my town that cooks a great pizza from a wood fired oven.

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:19:32pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Dude, last time I saw Umphrey’s McGee in Austin was 2016 at Stubbs, and after the show I walked around and caught a lot of cool music on 6th Street. At the end of the night, walking back to my hotel room, FOOD TRUCKS! EVERYWHERE! Frankly, I was impressed. And shit, there’s a food truck in my town that cooks a great pizza from a wood fired oven.

I’ll have to ask Karen if she’s ever grabbed i— oh, wait. No, that makes no sense. She’s gluten-sensitive, though not celiac, so the answer is “no”.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:25:06pm

This feels right.

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:25:33pm

re: #36 teleskiguy

Dude, last time I saw Umphrey’s McGee in Austin was 2016 at Stubbs, and after the show I walked around and caught a lot of cool music on 6th Street. At the end of the night, walking back to my hotel room, FOOD TRUCKS! EVERYWHERE! Frankly, I was impressed. And shit, there’s a food truck in my town that cooks a great pizza from a wood fired oven.

Well, yeah, that’s our thing. We gave you the Armadillo, we gave you Austin City Limits, we gave you SXSW, and now we have given you our gonzo food trailer culture.

It’s our nature. It’s our gift to all of you. And you are welcome.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:26:13pm
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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:30:59pm

re: #40 Single-handed sailor

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Which was the most relevant comment that Tucker has made since he got the gig at Faux News. He finally exposed himself as what he truly is.

Petulant child.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:33:08pm

re: #39 austin_blue

Well, yeah, that’s our thing. We gave you the Armadillo, we gave you Austin City Limits, we gave you SXSW, and now we have given you our gonzo food trailer culture.

It’s our nature. It’s our gift to all of you. And you are welcome.

And Stevie Ray Vaughan. And Bill Hicks. And Mike Judge.

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Chrysicat  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:40:01pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

And Stevie Ray Vaughan. And Bill Hicks. And Mike Judge.

I might give him credit for the other two. Mike Judge is largely responsible for the youth of his time feeling that symphonic/melodic metal isn’t a legitimate form of music, thanks to having Beavis and Butt-head savage it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:42:16pm

Haha!

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:45:26pm

We can claim Stevie after he moved down here from DFW with his brother Jimmie, but Bill was from Houston Judge was from Cali. We’ll gladly take Willie, Waylon, Joe Ely, Mance Lipscomb, Freddie King, and hundreds of others who made their names in Austin,
but we can’t take their birthrights away from them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:45:55pm

Cats and dogs:


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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:46:23pm

re: #43 Chrysicat

Michael… Bolton?!?

Office Space with Michael Bolton

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austin_blue  Feb 20, 2019 • 10:48:47pm

Late. Off for some kip. Sweet dreams, all.

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teleskiguy  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:06:22pm

It’s an ethos.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:17:52pm
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freetoken  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:26:47pm

Deep Field: The Impossible Magnitude of our Universe

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:40:26pm

Yes, we “forgot” to tell you about the camel’s nose.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 20, 2019 • 11:53:51pm

re: #8 garzooma

Except there really aren’t a “series of devastating military and economic events”. Spending too much time in Afghanistan and low growth is nothing like losing a major war and hyperinflation.

well, the latter can be arranged…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:02:16am

re: #21 Hecuba’s daughter

All the European forces — on both sides of the conflict — suffered high casualties. Trench warfare was a nightmare. The human race is capable of such evil — and we never seem to learn our lessons.

Sapiens: A Brief History of Humankind
 by Yuval Noah Harari

gives a good explanation of why we can be so unspeakably cruel: insecurity.

Until very recently (in evolutionary terms) we were in the middle of the food chain, subject to threats from larger, nastier beasts.

As a species, we are like petty Central American Dictators, insecure in our new power at the apex of the food chain and still highly sensitive to any sort of perceived threats, ready to lash out.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:05:30am

Aquarium update:

My Dad: I’d like you to put a piano hinged hatch on the sump cabinet lid (which is already removable) so we can open it up easier.

Me: Fuck no, please stop adding more projects.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:07:35am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Aquarium update:

My Dad: I’d like you to put a piano hinged hatch on the sump cabinet lid (which is already removable) so we can open it up easier.

Me: Fuck no, please stop adding more projects.

I might consider a terrarium but never a box of water.

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teleskiguy  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:17:27am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

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teleskiguy  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:26:40am

re: #31 teleskiguy

We removed the wheels and replaced them with sections of road guard rails that act as “skis” and we towed it up there with a snowcat.

Here’s the food trailer. Electrics come from Ski Patrol Headquarters next door, fuel for appliances comes from big propane tanks. This is a very new thing at the ski area, we’re experimenting. Pic was taken by my skiing partner last night.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:31:56am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:46:09am

re: #55 goddamnedfrank

Aquarium update:

My Dad: I’d like you to put a piano hinged hatch on the sump cabinet lid (which is already removable) so we can open it up easier.

Me: Fuck no, please stop adding more projects.

Keep him away from any news media reports about the Internet of Things. He’ll want you to motorize stuff and link it to Alexa/Siri/Google.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:47:25am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

What has me worried is Trump deciding we should invade Venezuela while also attacking Iran. It’s not like any other megalomaniac ever decided a two-front war was a winner.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:54:57am

re: #60 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Keep him away from any news media reports about the Internet of Things. He’ll want you to motorize stuff and link it to Alexa/Siri/Google.

Neptune Systems New APEX Wi-Fi Controller System

The Neptune Systems Apex Wi-Fi Controller combines hardware control and monitoring with Apex Fusion. Apex Fusion is a cloud-based software that communicates with your aquarium hardware through the Apex Controller. Apex Fusion monitors and automatically regulates the most important parameters in your reef tank including pH, ORP, salinity, lighting, pumps and more!

The expandable Apex System can be as simple or complex as you want it to be. You can control your Apex through a computer, smart phone, tablet, or the sold separately Apex Display Module. Apex carries out the instructions and reports back on the status of your tank.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:56:38am

re: #62 Single-handed sailor

Neptune Systems New APEX Wi-Fi Controller System

And kills your fish when the WiFi goes out.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:59:18am

Seriously, I had no Internet access (other than my 4G data plan) for four very long days here. Workmen had severed several optical cables while repairing a hot water pipe. A WiFi-controlled anything would have been useless in such a situation. Tech-bros never seem to consider that electrical power and WiFi/Internet access is not 24/7/365 anywhere in the world.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:19:09am

re: #60 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Keep him away from any news media reports about the Internet of Things. He’ll want you to motorize stuff and link it to Alexa/Siri/Google.

Actually the lights, powerheads and return pump are all Ecotech devices, already networked via a dedicated hub device. It’s actually kind of useful in that we get alerts if the return pump experiences a problem and I can tweak everything via a web app. Also I really can’t speak highly enough of the lights and powerheads. They’re top of the goddamned line. The lights are extremely powerful (they have to be because the tank is 38 inches deep) and almost infinitely customizable multiple LED designs. The two powerheads are patented magnetic coupled designs with completely separate wet and dry sides that also communicate wirelessly, allowing for some really cool synced and anti-synced flow modalities.

Point being that this project may be a massive goddamned pain in the ass, but the tech is actually pretty cool and a good demonstration of IoT with a solid motivation behind it.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:23:45am

Biggest problem for Trump is he can’t seem to decide which war he wants to start, so he’s trying to start two at the same time, which probably explains why he’s also so eager to get troops out of Syria and Afghanistan.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:28:34am

re: #59 Single-handed sailor

The U.S. Defense Department is planning to ask Congress for a massive increase to a controversial war account often criticized as a “slush fund.”

can this also be slushed into Wall building?

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teleskiguy  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:28:55am

I’ve been drinking Maker’s Mark whisky at my desk. Just caught myself falling asleep sitting in my seat. Oy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:30:11am

re: #64 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Seriously, I had no Internet access (other than my 4G data plan) for four very long days here. Workmen had severed several optical cables while repairing a hot water pipe. A WiFi-controlled anything would have been useless in such a situation. Tech-bros never seem to consider that electrical power and WiFi/Internet access is not 24/7/365 anywhere in the world.

Yes, we had a fire on an electric overhead mast here the other day that knocked out all power, even mobile phone access to the entire region for several hours.

I went out for a walk…

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:41:49am

Navy Fighter Jets Release Swarming Perdix Micro-Drones

Drone swarms.

careful if you go back to the beginning, it is rather loud.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:45:35am

I’m pretty sure it would have been a lot less work to just study.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:51:24am

re: #71 Single-handed sailor

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I’m pretty sure it would have been a lot less work to just study.

Cheating in China is a high art. It’s gotten so bad that telecom companies will shut off WiFi and data access around high schools when students take the national college entrance exam, and universities will shut off WiFi and Internet access in buildings where students are taking the national college English test.

That guy spent the equivalent of two months’ wages for his equipment. A fool and his money are soon parted.

So now he’ll probably just pay for a fake license.

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LastYearsMan  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:55:39am

re: #68 teleskiguy

I’ve been drinking Maker’s Mark whisky at my desk. Just caught myself falling asleep sitting in my seat. Oy.

You, sir, have an awesome job. I have to leave the office to drink at my job.

(…Well, it’s recommended, anyway).

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:59:29am

A funny thing happened on the way to the jackpot tonight:

Powerball 20190220

A four number consecutive sequence: 49-50-51-52

You might think such things are rare… and they are. Given that PowerBall only has 69 whiteballs, there are only 66 such sequences ( {1-2-3-4, 2-3-4-5, …, 66-67-68-69}) possible.

I suspect many people (who do not play QuickPick but instead choose their own numbers) simply never play 4 number sequences because they are unusual (much more so than playing all evens, or all odds, or all primes, or all “2s”, etc), albeit there will always be that one in the crowd who may only play such things.

The payouts in California tonight (which are parimutuel) calottery.com

While intuitively it may seem such 4 number sequences are rare, remember for each possible sequence (say 21-22-23-24) there are 65 possible occurrences of such in a 5-ball draw.

So while a 4-consecutive sequence draw is rare, it’s not that wildly improbable; the odds are about 1 in 2,620.

And a three consecutive number sequence draws occur fairly often. Feb 9th had 1-2-3. Dec 5th had 36-37-38. As with MegaMillions, which for example on Oct 26 has 61-62-63.

Another thing which may seem improbable, but is not really, is the repetition of numbers from one draw to another. For example, “65” was pulled in the last three consecutive MegaMillions draws.

While all sorts of people out there, including websites attempting to sell winning numbers, like to make something of “hot” or “cold” numbers, and even some official state lottery websites push such thinking, such things as streaks are fairly common in random draws.

Indeed, we humans tend to underestimate the likelihood of streaks in that appear in random sequences.

Here’s a good video to watch in regards to this:

The Martingale Problem

This concludes your mathematics lesson for tonight.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:06:11am

4 8 15 16 23 42

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:06:24am

re: #74 freetoken

What I need is a sure-fire way to predict the winning numbers, absent a working time machine.
/

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:14:55am

re: #76 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

eO1tmGL8Yr0rF2lohV564AsRKaKspjgrFagUUelstg7kJJnv3eSYfSw1Hr6VMEexgQmfs17T52XLfnIPXpcGeAgxZ15wQpvvWhvUpaUE+MZ1dvhd6N7wwHsLiAud8Qdk7Y9TvX0oiyP5AxJ614XdmvMbApRDNLg7bvnBJ76Sss3QGOd8JdLiMBY0V61ZcDTlCfdUulxYfK8VXlzGBP5oLvgR+0Yz+AbFN2obkUzqXbpz1hNQDYMgCwbt4J3rq2iMgGmLMXn5OdNBFH8bQOlr/lYa2klpxO4I0G5nnMeYCKuGaqXzOf+nF0D+7HTVBmXsjIxZOtm3A9nb5ZerQqFjmrOPJc/sMfsWAg4LRO45pDINkxAcfkyGkQE7o9cJYkY3

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:40:53am

re: #75 Single-handed sailor

4 8 15 16 23 42

4 = the number of corners of the Earth;
8 = the number of new beginnings, resurrection;
15 = atomic number of phosphorus;
16 = the number of sides in one of the dice in Dungeon Crawl Classic;
23 = The number of the Psalm most quoted;
42 = what is 6 times 9.

/sudden empathy for Isaac Newton

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:43:08am

42 = what is 6 times 9… in base 13.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:50:48am

re: #79 Single-handed sailor

42 = what is 6 times 9… in base 13.

There are 10 types of people:
those who understand binary math and
those who don’t.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:05:46am

I’ve commented here about how annoying the “supermoon” craze is for me. I’m not the only one.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:09:26am

On a more serious note, here we are, as seen from Saturn.

Can’t quite make out the border wall. Can you?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:18:40am

Would have had more impact if he had tagged Ben of the Corn in his tweet, though I agree with the sentiment expressed therein.

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Teukka  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:27:17am

re: #82 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

On a more serious note, here we are, as seen from Saturn.

Can’t quite make out the border wall. Can you?

From this distant vantage point, earth might not seem of any particular importance.

But for us, it’s different.

Consider again that dot. That’s here. That’s home. That’s us.

On it, everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives.

The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every “superstar”, every “supreme leader”, every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there — on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena.

Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.

Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.

Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life.

There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate.

Visit? Yes.

Settle? Not yet.

Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience.

There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world.

To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we’ve ever known.

H/T: Carl Sagan

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:36:40am

re: #84 Teukka

Sagan understood what the Apollo astronauts experienced first hand.

From the vantage points of the Pioneer and Voyager probes, Earth is invisible, save for its telemetry signals, and the Sun is just one star among many in the Orion arm. Heck, from Ultima-Thule, the Sun is just a bright light in a vast and very cold sky.

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Teukka  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:39:33am

re: #85 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Sagan understood what the Apollo astronauts experienced first hand.

From the vantage points of the Pioneer and Voyager probes, Earth is invisible, save for its telemetry signals, and the Sun is just one star among many in the Orion arm. Heck, from Ultima-Thule, the Sun is just a bright light in a vast and very cold sky.

Drives the point home of just how small we are, and how big the Universe is.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:42:01am

re: #86 Teukka

Drives the point home of just how small we are, and how big the Universe is.

The idea really does put our petty squabbles in perspective. Too bad so few people understand it.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:49:45am

In other lottery news:

New York co-workers claim $437 million Mega Millions jackpot

UPPER BROOKVILLE, *New York* — A group of Long Island area co-workers have claimed the $437 million Mega Millions jackpot for the Jan. 1 drawing, the largest jackpot in New York Lottery history.

The 23-member group has claimed the prize through the New Life 2019, LLC, opting to take the lump sum payment totaling $262,213,914.

They will receive a net check of $176,155,308 after required state and federal withholding.

[…]

As is usual, the news story doesn’t really give the true cost of taxes. The state lotteries tend to significantly under-withhold.

NY state taxes are 8.8%, which added to the top federal tax of 37% makes 45.8% tax or 54.2% after-tax.

So each winner after tax will get a bit less than $6.2.

Now that is a decent amount of money, but when one looks at the prices of houses in Upper Brookville: zillow.com … one can see that a single house can consume one of the winner’s winnings, if they so choose to buy a house in Upper Brookville.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 3:58:58am

re: #88 freetoken

Smart people would buy a less expensive house and bank the rest. Or invest it in an index fund, move to Mexico and try to live off the interest and dividends.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:14:36am

re: #89 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Smart people would buy a less expensive house and bank the rest. Or invest it in an index fund, move to Mexico and try to live off the interest and dividends.

Invest in creating jobs…overseas and hide the money in the Cayman Islands.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:21:58am

re: #90 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Invest in creating jobs…overseas and hide the money in the Cayman Islands.

Or buy a struggling company, run into the ground, and abscond with what’s left.

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freetoken  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:23:07am

re: #89 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Smart people would buy a less expensive house and bank the rest. Or invest it in an index fund, move to Mexico and try to live off the interest and dividends.

Real estate is one of the preferred long-term investments. True, very expensive houses tend to be very fickle when it comes to prices they can bring when put up for sale.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:29:44am

Ah, Borowitz.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:30:10am

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

Zion Williamson was forced to leave the floor after suffering a “mild sprain” of his right knee 36 seconds into Wednesday’s game against rival No. 8 North Carolina at Cameron Indoor Stadium in Durham, N.C.

Williamson grabbed his knee in pain after his Nike sneaker tore apart as he slipped and fell to the floor. The blue rubber sole ripped loose from the white shoe from the heel to the toes along its outside edge, with Williamson’s foot coming all the way through the large gap. Williamson — widely expected to be the first pick in the NBA draft — was taken to the locker room for observation

Duke is four years into a 12-year deal with Nike as the exclusive supplier of uniforms, shoes and apparel. The private school didn’t disclose terms of the 2015 contract extension.

Nike has had an exclusive deal with the university since 1992. Puma originally looked to take advantage of the situation Wednesday night, tweeting: “Wouldn’t have happened in Pumas” before taking the tweet down.

nypost.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:31:45am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I guarantee those shoes were made in China.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:36:57am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

nypost.com

so you can just about guess that that Nike sneaker was assembled by some poor third-world worker earning less than $5 per day and falling asleep at their work station at the end of a 12-hour shift and a 72-hour week.

I can further imagine that the Quality Control manager was off having non-consensual sex with an employee he’d just threatened to fire instead of inspecting that batch of shoes…

and the plant manager was too busy bribing local officials to overlook safety, environmental and health violations to follow up on the QC manager

another reason I almost totally ignore professional and collegiate ball sports…

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:37:18am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

nypost.com

Unless it happens frequently, this can be chalked up to statistics. No system produces 100% perfect product.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:38:19am

re: #97 Belafon

Unless it happens frequently, this can be chalked up to statistics. No system produces 100% perfect product.

they are not selling product, they are selling image

that is what the swoosh is all about

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jeffreyw  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:39:33am

Good morning!

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:43:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:45:50am

re: #100 Patricia Kayden

Since tweeting this 48 hours ago:
+79 gun deaths
+126 gun injuries
+4 children (age 0-11) killed or injured
+15 teenagers (age 12-17) killed or injured
+6 armed home invasions
+8 defensive gun use incidents
+10 unintentional shootings

All the NRA nuts see are the armed home invasions and defensive gun use incidents.

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:48:34am

re: #99 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Great camouflage job there kitteh.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 4:53:00am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

nypost.com

Your comment makes zero sense. SMFH.

Perhaps you want Nike to JTS. Got an issue with Kapernick, perhaps? WTF? Seriously.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:01:10am

re: #103 MsJ

I am sorry you see it that way.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:05:04am

re: #104 Shropshire Slasher

I am sorry you see it that way.

Just considering your history. You tend to enjoy shit like this.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:06:34am

Parkour done poorly.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:17:39am

re: #95 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I guarantee those shoes were made in China.

I only purchase Red Wing boots because they are made in America, and they are worth every $250. I imagine the markup on Nike’s are really nice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:22:26am

re: #106 MsJ

Parkour done poorly.

What was she trying to do?

To go viral, but not like that…

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:23:23am

re: #82 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

On a more serious note, here we are, as seen from Saturn.

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Can’t quite make out the border wall. Can you?

Morning!

Fascinating image from space. Yes, it does put things into perspective. Someone show it to Trump and the GOP. They need to get over themselves.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:32:03am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

nypost.com

You wouldn’t be posting that negative take on Nike for any political purposes it may serve for you would you?

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:32:26am

re: #94 Shropshire Slasher

I think Nike just jumped the shark.

Shares in sportswear giant Nike are sliding in pre-market trading Thursday after a star college athlete was injured when his sneaker malfunctioned during a high profile basketball game.

Duke University’s Zion Williamson, who is expected to be number one pick in the upcoming NBA draft, was injured after his Nike 2.5 PE’s exploded just 33 seconds into a game against key rivals North Carolina.

Nike shares are down 1.6% in pre-market trading as 6.40 a.m. ET on Thursday.

businessinsider.com

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:36:58am

re: #107 Shropshire Slasher

I only purchase Red Wing boots because they are made in America, and they are worth every $250. I imagine the markup on Nike’s are really nice.

Oh yeah. Chinese brand shoes that look very similar retail for around US$35. Slap a swoosh on them and the price is x10 or more.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:39:41am

re: #110 ObserverArt

You wouldn’t be posting that negative take on Nike for any political purposes it may serve for you would you?

I have been here for ten years. I disagree with many people politically here on this website. I enjoy getting the viewpoints of other people politically because I don’t want to live in a bubble. I want to know both sides of the story and keep an open mind. I respect Charles and this is his house.

It’s a sports story. I did not embed the NY Post link because I did not want to offend anyone if they clicked on a link to a website they don’t like. It’s just a sports story, and I am curious if it will affect Nike’s stock.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:43:37am

re: #113 Shropshire Slasher

I have been here for ten years. I disagree with many people politically here on this website. I enjoy getting the viewpoints of other people politically because I don’t want to live in a bubble. I want to know both sides of the story and keep an open mind. I respect Charles and this is his house.

It’s a sports story. I did not embed the NY Post link because I did not want to offend anyone if they clicked on a link to a website they don’t like. It’s just a sports story, and I am curious if it will affect Nike’s stock.

Probably in the short term, as they are selling image as much as product and this badly damages the former.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:45:29am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they are not selling product, they are selling image

that is what the swoosh is all about

And? It’s on products. That will occasionally fail, no matter the quality control.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:45:46am

“Trumps core voters in the 16 election were “Evangelicals who don’t go to or are not members of a church”. This on MJ this morning. Tim Carney…. Interesting. And hypocritical.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:46:36am

re: #113 Shropshire Slasher

No doubt that it will have a small effect on the price of the stock over a very short term, probably only hours, a couple days at most.

However, it will have no noticeable effect on the value of the business itself, within a month nobody will care what shoes he was wearing except for trivia buffs.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:48:31am

This (stock slide) has less to do with Nike, and more to do with who was wearing the Nikes.

Zion Williamson is a generational talent. He is getting the eyes, which means that Nike will benefit. Duke is a Nike school, and when Nike schools get more eyes, Nike products get more eyes. Zion is the draw in college BBall right now(President Obama was at the game last night, drawing rock star O-Ba-Ma cheers). He will likely sign with Nike as a pro, and both he and Nike will benefit. Anytime a star player on a Nike team goes down with an injury, this small stock slide happens.

BTW, part of the reason his shoe failed, is because he is such a powerful athlete. 6’8 280 lbs. He plays with such physical force, that the shoe couldn’t handle his plant foot. Shoes can fail like that sometimes, with high level explosive athletes; it’s not that uncommon.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:51:53am

re: #118 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

My colecovision still works, play it all the time. You are never on top forever. There are other sneaker makers.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:57:06am

re: #119 Shropshire Slasher

My colecovision still works, play it all the time. You are never on top forever. There are other sneaker makers.

Sure there are other sneaker makers, but this incident will not take down Nike. School contracts are not going to switch to Adidas or Puma because of this.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:02:27am

re: #119 Shropshire Slasher

My colecovision still works, play it all the time. You are never on top forever. There are other sneaker makers.

Are you still typing on your first phone?

It’s pretty obvious this is a Kaep issue with you.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:03:39am

re: #118 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

This (stock slide) has less to do with Nike, and more to do with who was wearing the Nikes.

Zion Williamson is a generational talent. He is getting the eyes, which means that Nike will benefit. Duke is a Nike school, and when Nike schools get more eyes, Nike products get more eyes. Zion is the draw in college BBall right now(President Obama was at the game last night, drawing rock star O-Ba-Ma cheers). He will likely sign with Nike as a pro, and both he and Nike will benefit. Anytime a star player on a Nike team goes down with an injury, this small stock slide happens.

BTW, part of the reason his shoe failed, is because he is such a powerful athlete. 6’8 280 lbs. He plays with such physical force, that the shoe couldn’t handle his plant foot. Shoes can fail like that sometimes, with high level explosive athletes; it’s not that uncommon.

Swoosh or not, I can’t imagine critical equipment at that level isn’t essentially hand-rebuilt.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:06:15am

Some good news. Voter ID laws are not very effective at their real purpose, voter suppression. vox.com

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:08:06am

re: #121 Belafon

Holy fuck, really? I didn’t understand the Kaep reference originally, since the basketball player’s name is Zion. Then I read the headline, he hurt his knee. Does everything have to be race issues? Holy shit, I just don’t think like that.

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:09:46am

re: #118 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

This (stock slide) has less to do with Nike, and more to do with who was wearing the Nikes.

Zion Williamson is a generational talent. He is getting the eyes, which means that Nike will benefit. Duke is a Nike school, and when Nike schools get more eyes, Nike products get more eyes. Zion is the draw in college BBall right now(President Obama was at the game last night, drawing rock star O-Ba-Ma cheers). He will likely sign with Nike as a pro, and both he and Nike will benefit. Anytime a star player on a Nike team goes down with an injury, this small stock slide happens.

BTW, part of the reason his shoe failed, is because he is such a powerful athlete. 6’8 280 lbs. He plays with such physical force, that the shoe couldn’t handle his plant foot. Shoes can fail like that sometimes, with high level explosive athletes; it’s not that uncommon.

For all I know about these things (i.e., near-nothing), I’d tend to agree with your analysis- all except the last point. How common ARE shoe failures in major-college/pro basketball? This one with Zion Williamson is the first of its kind I can recall [disclaimer: not a basketball fan] .

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:10:19am

re: #124 Shropshire Slasher

Holy fuck, really? I didn’t understand the Kaep reference originally, since the basketball player’s name is Zion. Then I read the headline, he hurt his knee. Does everything have to be race issues? Holy shit, I just don’t think like that.

BWAHAHAHA!

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:12:43am

re: #113 Shropshire Slasher

I have been here for ten years. I disagree with many people politically here on this website. I enjoy getting the viewpoints of other people politically because I don’t want to live in a bubble. I want to know both sides of the story and keep an open mind. I respect Charles and this is his house.

It’s a sports story. I did not embed the NY Post link because I did not want to offend anyone if they clicked on a link to a website they don’t like. It’s just a sports story, and I am curious if it will affect Nike’s stock.

But you are aware enough to know we would be suspicious of your motives because we know who you are. This falls into the no surprise category because of all that. You many times only show up when you can tease something like this.

You don’t come here to post other sports stories, which many times are discussed.

By the way, if Nike suffers no actual long term stock price drop and no schools sign contracts with other shoe companies then you will stop back in and say it was no big deal, right?

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:13:22am

re: #126 Belafon

BWAHAHAHA!

INORITE?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:15:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

It’s the day after a right wing white supremacist was indicted on multiple charges, and the indictment includes all kinds of chilling bits, including threatening mass murder of Democrats, judges, and journalists to start a race war to purge the nation of the liberals.

So, of course the media leads with the Smollett arrest. Because that’s the more important story?

The media continues to show its priorities and biases by determining which are the important stories that drive the conversation and which are the ones they’re obligated to cover but not more.

You’d think that an active duty Coast Guard officer who had been in the Marines for a decade before that, who gathered an arms cache of weapons, had a hit list of prominent Democrats, journalists, and judges, and was stockpiling opioids because that’s what his hero Breivik did, would be a more pressing story given that this is the second such terror plot disrupted/intercepted in the past four months with the same kind of MO - to murder leading Democrats and journalists who are seen/portrayed as enemies of Trump by… Trump.

Trump’s stochastic terrorism strikes again.

This should be the front page story across the nation - but instead we’re treated to the Smollett show.’ (NBC news- Smollett is top on their web page, the terror bust, below the fold and scroll for it. NYT leads with the church sex scandal, and then Smollett, the Banlgadesh fire, and then the terror bust. Fox…. is fox - huge splash on Smollett, and then buried below is the terror bust without mentioning terrorism, right wing ties or white supremacy in the headline).

What’s also interesting is that prosecutors didn’t even try to highlight this story as a major bust. They ran with it as a run of the mill story. Why?

It took sleuthing by a couple of journalists to figure out what was going on here.

The media sucks just as hard as they did 4 years ago. They’ve had zero self-reflection and no motivation to do anything differently since the only thing the owners of the media outlets care about is eyeballs and profits. SS/DD.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:18:00am
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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:18:37am

re: #118 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

This (stock slide) has less to do with Nike, and more to do with who was wearing the Nikes.

Zion Williamson is a generational talent. He is getting the eyes, which means that Nike will benefit. Duke is a Nike school, and when Nike schools get more eyes, Nike products get more eyes. Zion is the draw in college BBall right now(President Obama was at the game last night, drawing rock star O-Ba-Ma cheers). He will likely sign with Nike as a pro, and both he and Nike will benefit. Anytime a star player on a Nike team goes down with an injury, this small stock slide happens.

BTW, part of the reason his shoe failed, is because he is such a powerful athlete. 6’8 280 lbs. He plays with such physical force, that the shoe couldn’t handle his plant foot. Shoes can fail like that sometimes, with high level explosive athletes; it’s not that uncommon.

I’m listening to the Dan Patrick show and this Zion story is also bringing up how many people are saying he should pack it in for the rest of the season so he can be healthy for the NBA draft.

Zion seems to be a good kid and knows he made a commitment to play for Duke and coach K. It would not surprise me if he carries on with the season.

And watch Nike build a new and improved shoe and tout how it was designed for the explosive athlete. The Mighty Zion! It can take that kind of power. Thousands of kids will want them even if they never hit a court.

And Dan Patrick is now teasing how he will talk about how Nike can make this a big positive.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:21:21am

re: #130 Dave In Austin

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:22:07am

re: #124 Shropshire Slasher

Holy fuck, really? I didn’t understand the Kaep reference originally, since the basketball player’s name is Zion. Then I read the headline, he hurt his knee. Does everything have to be race issues? Holy shit, I just don’t think like that.

Who said it was a race issue?

That would be you.

We are talking about the political issue. Kaep is more about first amendment, Trump and collusion on the part of the rich owners kissing Trump butt.

And you know that.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:23:53am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:23:58am

I’m of the opinion that the terrorist bust should be big news because of who the perp is and who his targets were, the fact that this administration has both rhetorically and through their own actions dismissed right wing domestic terrorism as a priority for LEO. Smollett is an ass but this is much more important and the guy’s ideology is definitely relevant here too.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:27:24am

re: #84 Teukka

“A blade of grass is a commonplace on Earth; it would be a miracle on Mars. Our descendants on Mars will know the value of a patch of green. And if a blade of grass is priceless, what is the value of a human being?”

― Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:29:48am

re: #134 lawhawk

Trump has no idea what 5G is, other than China has it and he knows (probably) that 5 is more than 4, and 6 is more than 5. So, we cannot have a G gap.

I had to rely on my 4G data plan while my usual Internet was out a few days ago. Turns out my 4G bandwidth is almost the same as my regular Internet. I was surprised. Maybe I should beg for a new router from the telecom provider or the university.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:29:50am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I’m of the opinion that the terrorist bust should be big news because of who the perp is and who his targets were, the fact that this administration has both rhetorically and through their own actions dismissed right wing domestic terrorism as a priority for LEO. Smollett is an ass but this is much more important and the guy’s ideology is definitely relevant here too.

The only reason this USCG terrorist story came up is because the liberal media needs to have something to magic fairy balance the Smollett story.

/ Heh.

By the way did everyone catch he is a Breivik disciple. Supposedly he studied Breivik’s manifesto. Now that is scary.

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BlueSpotinAL  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:31:29am

re: #137 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump has no idea what 5G is, other than China has it and he knows (probably) that 5 is more than 4, and 6 is more than 5. So, we cannot have a G gap.

I had to rely on my 4G data plan while my usual Internet was out a few days ago. Turns out my 4G bandwidth is almost the same as my regular Internet. I was surprised. Maybe I should beg for a new router from the telecom provider or the university.

Trump probably thinks 4,5 and 6 G are sizes of G strings.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:32:05am

re: #138 ObserverArt

The only reason this USCG terrorist story came up is because the liberal media needs to have something to magic fairy balance the Smollett story.

/ Heh.

By the way did everyone catch he is a Breivik disciple. Supposedly he studied Breivik’s manifesto. Now that is scary.

Yeah I saw that Brevik inspired him. That’s the thing. Their guys inspire them to attempt mass murder. Ours merely make their guys uncomfortable during dinner. There’s a difference.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:33:39am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

I’m of the opinion that the terrorist bust should be big news because of who the perp is and who his targets were, the fact that this administration has both rhetorically and through their own actions dismissed right wing domestic terrorism as a priority for LEO. Smollett is an ass but this is much more important and the guy’s ideology is definitely relevant here too.

Humans are attracted to sleaze. The newspapers of the early 1900s wrote false murder stories. Women having alien babies, etc. Kardashians As a species humans are disappointing.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:34:11am

Here is what I know from my experience and personal knowledge of these things:
#1: Shoe/Cleat blowouts. Many of you have probably not seen them happen, and not likely to have had them happen to you. They happen, and not infrequently. Yes, these shoes are made to very high standards, but there is always going to be a range of acceptable failure. I can think of maybe five or six times in the 20+ years of high level athletics I participated in that it happened to me. I played high level sports in HS(Football, Basketball, Track, Baseball), I was a scholarship athlete in football in the SEC, and played professional football in Arena leagues for a couple of years. The human body has and continues to be pushed beyond the limits of what existed 40 years ago. The shoes/cleats are too, but sometimes the forces the human body exerts, at different angles just wins out. In NASCAR, sometimes tires go flat, or fail. It doesn’t mean that they were poorly designed.

#2: Nike specifically: Nike is just better than the other shoe companies, in many ways. Their shoes from a performance standpoint are better. I personally only wear Nike shoes, regardless of my activity. Nike has always been on the cutting edge of shoe technology, and has gotten to the edge before the other companies. Nike is also a cultural winner. Partly because of different endorsers(ahem…MJ) Nike has more cultural cache than any other shoe company. Contracts from Nike go to the best/most relevant schools. Nearly every SEC school has a Nike contract. The top basketball schools(UK, Duke, UNC) have Nike contracts. My school, and other schools/HS teams that are considered top elite teams have Nike contracts. They are ingrained in society, and one shoe blowout(that happens with other shoes too) will do no negative to Nike.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:35:16am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:37:52am

re: #143 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Things have gotten really bad when Joe Walsh goes after Mike Huckabee and the other Trump-lovers.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:39:37am

re: #144 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Things have gotten really bad when Joe Walsh goes after Mike Huckabee and the other Trump-lovers.

I don’t even know what’s going on with reality anymore.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:39:53am

I wonder if Sarah Huckabooboo tells her daddy all about the sturm und drang in the Trump White House. Does he even know how bad it is there, and if he does, does he even care?

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:40:53am

And Dan Patrick just said what I was thinking. Nike will be building a Zion proof “zionized” shoe and play it up.

Also Dan started to go down a list of other players that have blown out their shoes. Not as rare as it was made to seem.

Now that is balanced reporting and one of the reasons I like listening to his talk show.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:41:23am

re: #137 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump has no idea what 5G is, other than China has it and he knows (probably) that 5 is more than 4, and 6 is more than 5.

Whoah, wait, Facts not in evidence

/

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:43:21am

re: #143 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Goddamn it I hate when Walsh says what I would have heh.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:47:16am

Huckster ignores too the jurisdiction too. Smollett never talked shit about investigators too. Hell I’d say Stone welcomed the arrest the way it was done because lying assholes like Huckster could portray him as a victim.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:49:43am

re: #148 Sir John Barron

Whoah, wait, Facts not in evidence

/

Why are all the other countries passing us? Because their governments implement infrastructure. Unlike here where capitalists try to milk every nickel out of invested technology and use investment funds for stock buybacks instead.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:52:02am

Jeffrey, I like the image this morning.

I hope you don’t mind, I cleaned up the ‘fog’ a bit.

Wait, there is a birdie around here somewhere??? I thought I saw a pussy cat!
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:53:06am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

Huckster ignores too the jurisdiction too. Smollett never talked shit about investigators too. Hell I’d say Stone welcomed the arrest the way it was done because lying assholes like Huckster could portray him as a victim.

Let’s just leave it at these two cases are unrelated. If what Smollett did is true, he needs to get everything thrown at him because he’s hurt the ability for a lot of people to come forward. If 1/10th of what we think Stone did is true, he should spend a whole lot of time locked up.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:53:58am

TBH I might feel a little sympathy for Stone if the people whining about how he was arrested weren’t the same people who justified Tamir Rice being killed. Weren’t the same people who cheered loudly when Trump talked about “law and order.” But as I said, I’m sure that Stone enjoyed the raid since it allowed him to act like a victim. Right wing shit artists like him are the ultimate practioners of identity politics because everything bad that happens to them is because they’re white conservatives.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:55:39am

re: #153 Belafon

Let’s just leave it at these two cases are unrelated. If what Smollett did is true, he needs to get everything thrown at him because he’s hurt the ability for a lot of people to come forward. If 1/10th of what we think Stone did is true, he should spend a whole lot of time locked up.

Exactly. I’m just saying. One was the Chicago PD and one was the FBI. Smollet should be punished if the charges are true but he also wasn’t threatening the cops to “come at him” the way Stone was either. As Walsh said, there’s a difference between what Stone was being investigated for and what Smollet was.

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jeffreyw  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:57:26am

re: #152 ObserverArt

Jeffrey, I like the image this morning.

I hope you don’t mind, I cleaned up the ‘fog’ a bit.

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Don’t mind even a little bit. Not sure if the fog is dirty lens cover or an actual weather condition. A lens cloth is part of the usual kit carried by Mrs J when she goes to put the feeders out but sometimes forgets to use.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:57:46am

re: #154 HappyWarrior

TBH I might feel a little sympathy for Stone if the people whining about how he was arrested weren’t the same people who justified Tamir Rice being killed. Weren’t the same people who cheered loudly when Trump talked about “law and order.” But as I said, I’m sure that Stone enjoyed the raid since it allowed him to act like a victim. Right wing shit artists like him are the ultimate practioners of identity politics because everything bad that happens to them is because they’re white conservatives.

Yeah screw that nonsense. The “Don’t Be Gentle With Them”, LOCK HER UP crowd doesn’t get to go all whiny snowflake when one of their own is lawfully taken into custody.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:57:56am

And Fah I’m probably going to regret getting into pointing out why blaming the Engle v Vitale decision for school shootings is stupid shit and how right wingers are blatantly two faced on school prayer. One lady was even insisting that it was “Democrats” that banned School Prayer. No Engle v Vitale was a 8-1 decision by the Warren Court and the fact that even Justice Harlan, who was one of the court’s conservatives joined in on that decision should tell you it was a pretty even keeled decision.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:59:17am

re: #157 Sir John Barron

Yeah screw that nonsense. The “Don’t Be Gentle With Them”, LOCK HER UP crowd doesn’t get to go all whiny snowflake when one of their own is lawfully taken into custody.

Right. These are the same people who cheer loudly when Trump talks about how he wants people roughed up. I’m glad Stone wasn’t roughed up physically but I am damn glad that egotistical piece of shit got arrested and had to feel a little of what he’s wanted his political enemies to feel for years simply for disagreeing with him.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:02:22am

I’m thrilled that wingnuts want to talk about the militarization of our law enforcement and the overuse of armed force to respond to what would otherwise be a simple arrest. Oh wait, they only want to talk about it in the case of one Roger Stone, otherwise they’re cool with it because of the “WAR ON POLICE!!!!”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:02:54am

I don’t know if there has been much talk about the announcement that Mueller will be issuing his report soon or concern he is being forced to wrap up prematurely. I’m not too concerned about that. As we know, the SDNY can keep indicting Trumps and Kushners, and may even be the most appropriate place to do so, since so many of their crimes were committed in NY. Mueller should have amassed plenty of evidence by now to show Trump obstructed justice and possibly approved the conspiracy with Russia and Wikileaks to get their campaign aid in return for Trump Tower Moscow and ending sanctions, but since under DOJ policy he can’t indict the President, writing his report is the logical conclusion of his investigation. Its then up to Congress to take his findings and initiate impeachment proceedings.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:02:54am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Every single classroom door at my elementary school opened to the outside, and there was never a shooting there in the time I went there in the 70s, or even when my mother went there in the 50s.

The only difference between then and now is ease of access to guns.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:05:13am

Guns were relatively expensive, and the ones people did own weren’t high capacity semiautomatics. They were for hunting.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:05:14am

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Right. These are the same people who cheer loudly when Trump talks about how he wants people roughed up. I’m glad Stone wasn’t roughed up physically but I am damn glad that egotistical piece of shit got arrested and had to feel a little of what he’s wanted his political enemies to feel for years simply for disagreeing with him.

Hoping the judge throws him in jail in his contempt hearing. Stone will be damn lucky if she lets him remain free after the stunt he pulled.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:06:03am

Just heard that Syracuse basketball coach Jim Boeheim apparently hit and killed a pedestrian on the highway late last night after his team played.

The guy he hit was apparently walking down the road after crashing his car in bad weather.

Wow, that is sad.

Edit to add coach’s name.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:08:44am

re: #165 ObserverArt

Just heard that Syracuse basketball coach apparently hit and killed a pedestrian on the highway late last night after his team played.

The guy he hit was apparently walking down the road after crashing his car in bad weather.

Wow, that is sad.

We still have a lot of carnage on our roads, though traffic fatalities have been going down steadily.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:08:53am

re: #138 ObserverArt

The only reason this USCG terrorist story came up is because the liberal media needs to have something to magic fairy balance the Smollett story.

/ Heh.

By the way did everyone catch he is a Breivik disciple. Supposedly he studied Breivik’s manifesto. Now that is scary.

What’s scary is that he is unlikely the only one.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:09:27am

re: #162 Belafon

Every single classroom door at my elementary school opened to the outside, and there was never a shooting there in the time I went there in the 70s, or even when my mother went there in the 50s.

The only difference between then and now is ease of access to guns.

That is the big difference and guns of course are more powerful too. That’s the fallacy of the “Well why not ban knives libtard.” As I recall, there was a knife attack in China around the time of Sandy Hook and as awful as that was for those kids, there weren’t any fatalities if I recall or nearly the amount at Sandy Hook and later Parkland.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:09:42am

re: #161 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I don’t know if there has been much talk about the announcement that Mueller will be issuing his report soon or concern he is being forced to wrap up prematurely. I’m not too concerned about that. as we know, the SDNY can keep indicting Trumps and Kushners, and may even be the most appropriate place to do so, since so many of their crimes were committed in NY. Mueller should have amassed plenty of evidence by now to show Trump obstructed justice and possibly approved the conspiracy with Russia and Wikileaks to get their campaign aid in return for Trump Tower Moscow and ending sanctions, but since under DOJ policy he can’t indict the President, writing his report is the logical conclusion of his investigation. Its then up to Congress to take his findings and initiate impeachment proceedings.

I commented last night I heard a report saying there was some damning evidence in the report but it may not point to direct illegal activity by Trump. I’m guessing that means Trump is not directly tied to it yet. Maybe a RICO thing comes out of it since it was done under and for Trump’s benefit.

As I said…buckle up it is going to be bumpy.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:10:45am

re: #167 MsJ

What’s scary is that he is unlikely the only one.

Almost every fatal US terrorist attack last year was by a rightwinger, usually a white supremacist. One fatality was caused by a guy who had been a white supremacist, then switched to radical islamism.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:11:03am

re: #165 ObserverArt

Just heard that Syracuse basketball coach apparently hit and killed a pedestrian on the highway late last night after his team played.

The guy he hit was apparently walking down the road after crashing his car in bad weather.

Wow, that is sad.

Yeah I just saw a Cuse fan friend of mine post that. Funnily enough we’re playing the Orange (my brother’s house league that I help out with does team names based off ACC names) next week. Awful. I feel awful for Boeheim and obviously for the guy’s family and friends that was killed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:11:36am

re: #170 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Almost every fatal US terrorist attack last year was by a rightwinger, usually a white supremacist. One fatality was caused by a guy who had been a white supremacist, then switched to radical islamism.

I wager to suggest that going from white supremacist to radical Islamism isn’t much of a stretch.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:12:14am

re: #167 MsJ

What’s scary is that he is unlikely the only one.

And that’s why we’re going to need a DOJ that is keenly interested in investigating right wing supremacy.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:12:35am

re: #156 jeffreyw

Don’t mind even a little bit. Not sure if the fog is dirty lens cover or an actual weather condition. A lens cloth is part of the usual kit carried by Mrs J when she goes to put the feeders out but sometimes forgets to use.

I always get so confused that this is not me. ;-D

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:13:40am

re: #174 MsJ

I always get so confused that this is not me. ;-D

I don’t remember if she calls him Mr. T when she posts at Balloon Juice.

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:15:17am

re: #129 lawhawk

.

This should be the front page story across the nation - but instead we’re treated to the Smollett show.’

What’s also interesting is that prosecutors didn’t even try to highlight this story as a major bust. They ran with it as a run of the mill story. Why?

It took sleuthing by a couple of journalists to figure out what was going on here.

The difference is almost like… black and white.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:16:12am

No matter what the report actually says, Trump will suppress as much of it as he can and scream far and wide that it totally exonerates him.

NO COLLUSION!

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:17:06am

Someone needs to copy the image from here over (I can’t do it at work, browser limitations): gocomics.com

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Charmingly Persistent  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:18:06am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:18:39am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

No matter what the report actually says, Trump will suppress as much of it as he can and scream far and wide that it totally exonerates him.

NO COLLUSION!

There was an interesting thread by the guy who worked on the original Special Counsel rules, and they have an interesting failsafe built in: the AG must go before congress and explain any part of the report that they would like to suppress.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:18:44am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

No matter what the report actually says, Trump will suppress as much of it as he can and scream far and wide that it totally exonerates him.

NO COLLUSION!

And then Congress will demand the full report be turned over to them and call Mueller to testify. I wonder if the Qanon freaks are excited that the Mueller Report will be calling for mass arrests of the globalist pedophile ring?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:18:58am

re: #178 Belafon

Someone needs to copy the image from here over (I can’t do it at work, browser limitations): gocomics.com

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:19:30am

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

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Thanks. That one is awesome.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:20:12am

re: #179 Charmingly Persistent

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Same year when Reagan opened his presidential campaign talking about states rights in the town where three Civil Rights workers were kidnapped and murdered. The South and I say this as a Southerner needs to acknowledge that the CSA cause sucked and it was a great day for Americans of all colors and regions when Lee surrendered.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:21:05am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

No matter what the report actually says, Trump will suppress as much of it as he can and scream far and wide that it totally exonerates him.

NO COLLUSION!

Personally, I think the worst that could be done may be what ends up happening: That the report is released unredacted but also so premature that there is enough reasonable doubt to be raised that any suggestion of criminal charges is moot. That there are no clear links between Trump and his henchmen, such that we end up in an Iran-Contra situation where the public is “satisfied” that the criminals have been punished and the guy at the top has been “cleared” simply because no direct evidence of criminal acts on his part can be proven.

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jeffreyw  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:22:22am

re: #174 MsJ

I always get so confused that this is not me. ;-D

As far as I am aware, she does most all of her posting on Facebook so when I see MsJ in a blog comment it gives me pause. Not so much now as before.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:22:54am

re: #185 Targetpractice

Personally, I think the worst that could be done may be what ends up happening: That the report is released unredacted but also so premature that there is enough reasonable doubt to be raised that any suggestion of criminal charges is moot. That there are no clear links between Trump and his henchmen, such that we end up in an Iran-Contra situation where the public is “satisfied” that the criminals have been punished and the guy at the top has been “cleared” simply because no direct evidence of criminal acts on his part can be proven.

I can’t see that, because there is a mass of evidence Trump has supplied himself of his efforts to obstruct justice. That was enough to take down Nixon.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:23:10am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:27:20am

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I can’t see that, because there is a mass of evidence Trump has supplied himself of his efforts to obstruct justice. That was enough to take down Nixon.

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:27:32am

re: #9 teleskiguy

Some more feel-good stuff because we need to feel good. Blind Man & Wheelchair Bound Woman Pair Up To Climb Colorado 14er unofficialnetworks.com … via @UnofficialNet

there was an old movie, i think a tarzan, where in one segment a man who couldnt see piggy back carried a young boy who couldnt walk through the jungle

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:27:59am

re: #187 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I can’t see that, because there is a mass of evidence Trump has supplied himself of his efforts to obstruct justice. That was enough to take down Nixon.

Yet that would play right into the rhetoric that the GOP has been selling for months now, that Mueller failed to prove Russia had anything to do with the election, so going after Trump for anything else is “sour grapes.” An effort to overturn the results of a “legitimate” election by the DNC with the DOJ as the hired guns.

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:28:29am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Exactly. I’m just saying. One was the Chicago PD and one was the FBI. Smollet should be punished if the charges are true but he also wasn’t threatening the cops to “come at him” the way Stone was either. As Walsh said, there’s a difference between what Stone was being investigated for and what Smollet was.

Yet who is getting more press (at least now)??
The nets have interrupted this morning’s programming to carry live coverage of some Chicago PD guy going on and on about what a thorough investigation they did to bust Jussie Smollett. I mean, if he were simply Jussie Smith from the South Side, it wouldn’t merit (i’m guessing) more than five minutes on the local affiliate: but such is the price of celebrity (that we all pay one way or another)

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:29:02am

re: #167 MsJ

What’s scary is that he is unlikely the only one.

Good job to the deep state federal workers, prosecutors, etc, who uncovered this.

But I bet you know who won’t issue any congratulatory tweets anytime soon.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:29:02am

re: #176 sagehen

The difference is almost like… black and white.

And add in the how one story may be more favorable politically than the other.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:30:27am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

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If one of them gets elected, he better bring a parrot or bottle of rum to the Knesset.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:30:56am

re: #192 Jay C

Yet who is getting more press (at least now)??
The nets have interrupted this morning’s programming to carry live coverage of some Chicago PD guy going on and on about what a thorough investigation they did to bust Jussie Smollett. I mean, if he were simply Jussie Smith from the South Side, it wouldn’t merit (i’m guessing) more than five minutes on the local affiliate: but such is the price of celebrity (that we all pay one way or another)

I wonder if Smollett has any idea the damage he’s done to the all too real victims of right wing aggression. I wonder what in the world he was thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:32:42am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

I wonder if Smollett has any idea the damage he’s done to the all too real victims of right wing aggression.

I don’t know. I really hope so because if it’s true, what he did really gave a bunch of right wing assholes ammo not just to deny that people are attacked for their race and or sexuality by right wing assholes but for right wing assholes to attack people and for the police to take their allegations less seriously. I don’t doubt that Smollett as a gay black man has experienced homophobia and racism in his life. Which is why what he did was so fucking stupid and selfish.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:32:45am

re: #195 HappyWarrior

If one of them gets elected, he better bring a parrot or bottle of rum to the Knesset.

Endless pirates…

AAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGH

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:33:21am

re: #31 teleskiguy

We removed the wheels and replaced them with sections of road guard rails that act as “skis” and we towed it up there with a snowcat.

i once used a section of guard rail as a ramp to load a harley into a rampless uhaul

just happened to be laying by the side of the road. fortuitous.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:33:37am

re: #62 Single-handed sailor

Neptune Systems New APEX Wi-Fi Controller System

Apex is a fucking awesome system for control of saltwater aquaria. It is also quite pricey. Internet control of my system is limited to lighting right now (2xHydra 26 running under Aquaillumination), but I will have my dosing (peristaltic) pumps and wavemakers hooked up soon. Working on rationalizing the Apex.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:33:44am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

Yes, so there is no use worrying that there isn’t enough evidence against Trump, because there will never be enough evidence against Trump. The House however can lay out a damning impeachment case against him, then the GOP Senators can shame themselves, and we’ll let the voters decide next year.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:33:55am

re: #63 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

And kills your fish when the WiFi goes out.

Nope. Because the WiFi is to control the onboard chips. No WiFi, no changing, but still functioning.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:35:13am

re: #35 goddamnedfrank

Amazing Grace
@AmazingiGrace
* Feb 20, 2019
If you want to get over a problem, stop talking about it. Your mind affects your mouth, and your mouth affects your mind.

Franklygoddamn
@goddamnedfrank
Because bottling shit up fixes everything.

Jesus this is bad advice!

otoh, we do tend to buy into and cement the stories we tell ourselves. whether out loud or silently. maybe this is an attempt to break that cycle.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:35:19am

re: #191 Targetpractice

Yet that would play right into the rhetoric that the GOP has been selling for months now, that Mueller failed to prove Russia had anything to do with the election, so going after Trump for anything else is “sour grapes.” An effort to overturn the results of a “legitimate” election by the DNC with the DOJ as the hired guns.

But we already have plenty of evidence of the conspiracy, we just don’t know if Mueller has evidence to show Trump himself was involved, no matter how confident we are that he was.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:35:43am

re: #196 Sir John Barron

I wonder if Smollett has any idea the damage he’s done to the all too real victims of right wing aggression. I wonder what in the world he was thinking.

My wife was telling me a story that seems to indicate Smollett is missing some critical thinking skill trigger, and frankly it’s weird. A couple of years ago, he was stopped by a cop for something, and his first thought was to claim that he was his brother.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:36:51am

re: #192 Jay C

Yet who is getting more press (at least now)??
The nets have interrupted this morning’s programming to carry live coverage of some Chicago PD guy going on and on about what a thorough investigation they did to bust Jussie Smollett. I mean, if he were simply Jussie Smith from the South Side, it wouldn’t merit (i’m guessing) more than five minutes on the local affiliate: but such is the price of celebrity (that we all pay one way or another)

All I can say about this is that it appears that Smollet is a complete idiot, though of course he has a presumption of innocence.

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:37:42am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

Even if he’s not going to be convicted in the Senate… impeachment proceedings are still worthwhile because it’s a trial. With lots of evidence introduced in a very public setting, while everyone watches, and the people who vote to let him get away with it (some of whom voted that lying about a blow job was sufficient reason to remove a president from office) are eventually going to have to face voters.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:37:58am

re: #206 NO SMOCKING GUN!

All I can say about this is that it appears that Smollet is a complete idiot, though of course he has a presumption of innocence.

Innocence and idiocy… Two different things.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:38:08am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

Much is going to be based on how the majority of America reacts to the report.

If it is ugly and there is a huge cry to get Trump out and he is toxic to political futures, then some of those Republican senators are going to have to judge if they want to keep their offices.

The turnover of the House, the terrible polling for the GOP politicians and the fact many of those seats are in states Hillary did well in factor into their decisions.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:38:19am

re: #205 Belafon

My wife was telling me a story that seems to indicate Smollett is missing some critical thinking skill trigger, and frankly it’s weird. A couple of years ago, he was stopped by a cop for something, and his first thought was to claim that he was his brother.

Maybe he just assumed his accomplices wouldn’t be identified much less captured or interrogated, and that he’d get some publicity for himself? Just strange. And full of harmful ramifications for real victims, past, present, and future.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:39:30am

re: #89 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Smart people would buy a less expensive house and bank the rest. Or invest it in an index fund, move to Mexico and try to live off the interest and dividends.

you never get rich if you keep upping your expenditures

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:39:37am

re: #201 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, so there is no use worrying that there isn’t enough evidence against Trump, because there will never be enough evidence against Trump. The House however can lay out a damning impeachment case against him, then the GOP Senators can shame themselves, and we’ll let the voters decide next year.

That’s the problem: If there’s not a fairly damning case against Trump, then the Senate GOP have more wiggle room to explain their refusal to convict. The election isn’t right around the corner, it’s a year from now. There’s plenty of time left on the clock that the GOP can use to spin the guys already indicted as the “masterminds,” spin Trump as totally in the dark about it all, and the Russian efforts to influence the election as “unsuccessful.”

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:41:17am

re: #201 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yes, so there is no use worrying that there isn’t enough evidence against Trump, because there will never be enough evidence against Trump. The House however can lay out a damning impeachment case against him, then the GOP Senators can shame themselves, and we’ll let the voters decide next year.

I don’t imagine there’s ever going to be an impeachment, or certainly not a trial.

The real issues probably don’t lend themselves to legal solutions, although some characters have gotten caught doing illegal things tangential to the matters at the heart of the case. But those matters are as much political as legal, and Democratic candidates in 2020 need to make that case, that the current potus has acted falsely and treacherously against American interests.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:42:53am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

I don’t imagine there’s ever going to be an impeachment, or certainly not a trial.

The real issues probably don’t lend themselves to legal solutions, although some characters have gotten caught doing illegal things tangential to the matters at the heart of the case. But those matters are as much political as legal, and Democratic candidates in 2020 need to make that case, that the current potus has acted falsely and treacherously against American interests.

Impeachment isn’t a legal issue, but yeah, I expect the GOP to actually try to convince people that you can’t impeach Trump unless he is shown personally receiving money from Putin.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:43:09am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

I agree especially because the Republicans are dirty with Russian money. What I hope for is for enough dirt to get out on them that we have a Democratic Senate in 2021 and public support to dismantle most of what was done the last 4 years.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:43:34am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

I don’t imagine there’s ever going to be an impeachment, or certainly not a trial.

The real issues probably don’t lend themselves to legal solutions, although some characters have gotten caught doing illegal things tangential to the matters at the heart of the case. But those matters are as much political as legal, and Democratic candidates in 2020 need to make that case, that the current potus has acted falsely and treacherously against American interests.

On the other hand, I also have a hard time imagining how DJT can’t be linked directly Wikileaks and their hacking of the DNC. He literally encouraged illegal activity right from the public stage.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:44:13am

re: #212 Targetpractice

That’s the problem: If there’s not a fairly damning case against Trump, then the Senate GOP have more wiggle room to explain their refusal to convict. The election isn’t right around the corner, it’s a year from now. There’s plenty of time left on the clock that the GOP can use to spin the guys already indicted as the “masterminds,” spin Trump as totally in the dark about it all, and the Russian efforts to influence the election as “unsuccessful.”

Well they are going to spin anyway, unless there was videotape of Trump signing a COLLUSION AGREEMENT with Putin. I think the circumstantial evidence is pretty convincing that he did know and approve of the conspiracy, and its possible that Mueller has direct evidence we don’t know about yet.

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:46:42am

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:47:34am

re: #213 Sir John Barron

I don’t imagine there’s ever going to be an impeachment, or certainly not a trial.

The real issues probably don’t lend themselves to legal solutions, although some characters have gotten caught doing illegal things tangential to the matters at the heart of the case. But those matters are as much political as legal, and Democratic candidates in 2020 need to make that case, that the current potus has acted falsely and treacherously against American interests.

If the Mueller Report lays out a solid case of obstruction of justice against Trump, I don’t know how the House doesn’t initiate impeachment hearings, with or without a case that Trump approved the conspiracy (and I think there will be evidence of that as well).

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:47:58am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

I don’t know. I really hope so because if it’s true, what he did really gave a bunch of right wing assholes ammo not just to deny that people are attacked for their race and or sexuality by right wing assholes but for right wing assholes to attack people and for the police to take their allegations less seriously. I don’t doubt that Smollett as a gay black man has experienced homophobia and racism in his life. Which is why what he did was so fucking stupid and selfish.

They do that anyway. Sandra Bland Tariq Rice. All they do is twist and lie. I think this actor was very foolish but I don’t think in the long run it matters much to thinking people. Just like all the fake “black man attacked me” false stories didn’t change right wing lies.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:48:01am

re: #214 Belafon

Impeachment isn’t a legal issue, but yeah, I expect the GOP to actually try to convince people that you can’t impeach Trump unless he is shown personally receiving money from Putin.

Right, but with the 2020 election basically around the corner now, it seems that is the most likely corrective (although of course Andrew Johnson was impeached in an election year and Bill Clinton was impeached right before an election year).

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:49:36am

re: #210 Sir John Barron

Maybe he just assumed his accomplices wouldn’t be identified much less captured or interrogated, and that he’d get some publicity for himself? Just strange. And full of harmful ramifications for real victims, past, present, and future.

Word is he was called down to the station to sign complaints against the two men when they were originally arrested, and signaled he had every intent to do so when talked to on the phone. But when he got to the station and saw who they had in custody, he suddenly changed his tune to how he felt “sorry” for them and declined to sign the complaints. I’m not sure whether that came before or after their attorney suggested the CPD talk to the men, but I think it rather damning that Smollett would have signed complaints on two random strangers if the CPD had happened to arrest anybody but the two men he hired.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:50:25am

re: #190 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

there was an old movie, i think a tarzan, where in one segment a man who couldnt see piggy back carried a young boy who couldnt walk through the jungle

That’s Socialism.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:52:12am

So I was pondering ways to reduce the cost of the US military without significantly impacting the readiness and capability.

I’ve already mentioned that I think we could get by with 6 carriers rather than 11 - one deployed, one working up, one coming off deployment per ocean.

Then I got wondering - has an independent Air Force been a success? Has it been worth the additional cost? And I think not.The zoomie hate mud moving and without the cold war, the strategic mission is not the same either. Put the strategic forces under Navy control and give tactical air back to the army. The days of manned bombers are over - a drone capable of carrying a big stack of 500 lb bombs is cheaper and easier to make. The F-35 mistake needs to be over as well.

The army & reserve system need significant overhaul - mostly to try, once again, to make it difficult for politicians to declare endless war without the majority’s support and a congressional declaration. That was the intent of Abram’s early 70’s reforms but they have not succeeded.

After this it gets into the weeds of every little program (small arms, next gen tanks, etc).

Thoughts?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:55:29am

re: #204 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But we already have plenty of evidence of the conspiracy, we just don’t know if Mueller has evidence to show Trump himself was involved, no matter how confident we are that he was.

like i said yesterday
-if he was not in fact personally involved either he’s the cleverest of the clever (in that one area alone)
-or a complete incompetent

either way he has, again, in fact, surrounded himself with
- people who committed and then confessed to a lot of felonies - that they are unrelated to russia is besides the point. he hired a bunch of criminals.
- people who did in fact have hundreds of ‘contacts’ with russians which certainly looks coordinated and suspicious and probably is a conspiracy

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:55:45am

re: #224 William Lewis

So I was pondering ways to reduce the cost of the US military without significantly impacting the readiness and capability.

I’ve already mentioned that I think we could get by with 6 carriers rather than 11 - one deployed, one working up, one coming off deployment per ocean.

Then I got wondering - has an independent Air Force been a success? Has it been worth the additional cost? And I think not.The zoomie hate mud moving and without the cold war, the strategic mission is not the same either. Put the strategic forces under Navy control and give tactical air back to the army. The days of manned bombers are over - a drone capable of carrying a big stack of 500 lb bombs is cheaper and easier to make. The F-35 mistake needs to be over as well.

The army & reserve system need significant overhaul - mostly to try, once again, to make it difficult for politicians to declare endless war without the majority’s support and a congressional declaration. That was the intent of Abram’s early 70’s reforms but they have not succeeded.

After this it gets into the weeds of every little program (small arms, next gen tanks, etc).

Thoughts?

How do you get done what you are saying and get past the big money going to the military industry folks? They seem very well protected and powerful just as Ike warned.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:55:54am

re: #210 Sir John Barron

Maybe he just assumed his accomplices wouldn’t be identified much less captured or interrogated, and that he’d get some publicity for himself? Just strange. And full of harmful ramifications for real victims, past, present, and future.

I wonder if we’re not getting ahead of the facts here. The two men who were arrested for attacking JS say he paid them to do it, he says he didn’t. Why, at this time, are we believing one over the other?

(I haven’t been following this story, so there may be something I haven’t seen — and the USCG terrorist was the lead story on the sources I do follow.)

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:56:43am

Is Roger Stone in jail yet?

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:58:31am

re: #223 Old Liberal

That’s Socialism.

what i call the moral logic of common sacrifice

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:58:58am

re: #225 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

like i said yesterday
-if he was not in fact personally involved either he’s the cleverest of the clever (in that one area alone)
-or a complete incompetent

either way he has, again, in fact, surrounded himself with
- people who committed and then confessed to a lot of felonies - that they are unrelated to russia is besides the point. he hired a bunch of criminals.
- people who did in fact have hundreds of ‘contacts’ with russians which certainly looks coordinated and suspicious and probably is a conspiracy

I agree with you, but like some are hinting, I worry about how he could be treated like Reagan was. An old man that was taken advantage of by his eager and secretive underlings who he had no idea were doing all this bad stuff. Oh my, give the poor guy a break he was only trying to help this country by preventing a Clinton.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:59:37am

re: #226 ObserverArt

Agreed, it’s a best case scenario. Lockheed-Martin & Newport News would be out billions (Boeing would, arguably, be helped by this since they have a larger civilian biz base.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:00:49am

re: #189 Eclectic Cyborg

Except I can’t ever see this GOP senate voting to Impeach Trump, even if there was overwhelming evidence that he conspired with Putin, shot a man on 5th ave and kept Russian hookers in a closet at Trump Tower.

Unless you can convince 20 or so GOP Senators to defy Trump and vote against their own interests, Impeachment proceedings are a non-starter.

As the movie “Vice” reminds us, we had a vice president who shot someone in the face AND the victim apologized. So it’s nothing new for Republicans (and maybe Bernie) to get away with actions that would doom a Democrat.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:01:23am

re: #227 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

I wonder if we’re not getting ahead of the facts here. The two men who were arrested for attacking JS say he paid them to do it, he says he didn’t. Why, at this time, are we believing one over the other?

(I haven’t been following this story, so there may be something I haven’t seen — and the USCG terrorist was the lead story on the sources I do follow.)

I’m not up on all the facts either, but I think I heard there was video of him with the two guys in his hotel prior to the attack. I need to check on that, but it sort of sounds he was sloppy and that caught him out.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:02:54am

re: #227 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

I wonder if we’re not getting ahead of the facts here. The two men who were arrested for attacking JS say he paid them to do it, he says he didn’t. Why, at this time, are we believing one over the other?

(I haven’t been following this story, so there may be something I haven’t seen — and the USCG terrorist was the lead story on the sources I do follow.)

Because the two men testified before the grand jury that indicted him?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:03:22am

Check out @neal_katyal’s Tweet:

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:03:32am

re: #225 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

either way he has, again, in fact, surrounded himself with
- people who committed and then confessed to a lot of felonies - that they are unrelated to russia is besides the point. he hired a bunch of criminals.
- people who did in fact have hundreds of ‘contacts’ with russians which certainly looks coordinated and suspicious and probably is a conspiracy

The campaign ads almost write themselves.

Trump on the campaign trail — “I know the best people. I’ll hire all the best people.”
Mugshots. More mugshots. Mugshot after mugshot. with that thump-thump sound effect when GUILTY gets stamped in red across each of their faces.

His campaign manager. His national security advisor. His foreign policy adviser. His lawyer. etc etc etc

End with Putin, “of course I wanted him to win.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:04:10am

Once the report is complete we HAVE to put the pressure on to get it released. Marches, letter writing campaigns, whatever it takes.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:06:47am

re: #236 sagehen

The campaign ads almost write themselves.

Trump on the campaign trail — “I know the best people. I’ll hire all the best people.”
Mugshots. More mugshots. Mugshot after mugshot. with that thump-thump sound effect when GUILTY gets stamped in red across each of their faces.

His campaign manager. His national security advisor. His foreign policy adviser. His lawyer. etc etc etc

End with Putin, “of course I wanted him to win.”

You’re hired!

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:07:27am

re: #230 ObserverArt

I agree with you, but like some are hinting, I worry about how he could be treated like Reagan was. An old man that was taken advantage of by his eager and secretive underlings who he had no idea were doing all this bad stuff. Oh my, give the poor guy a break he was only trying to help this country by preventing a Clinton.

“the guy’s incompetent and easily manipulated, but let him keep the job”

two years into the first term, running for re-election, that’s a hell of an ‘indictment’

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:07:42am

re: #236 sagehen

The campaign ads almost write themselves.

Trump on the campaign trail — “I know the best people. I’ll hire all the best people.”
Mugshots. More mugshots. Mugshot after mugshot. with that thump-thump sound effect when GUILTY gets stamped in red across each of their faces.

His campaign manager. His national security advisor. His foreign policy adviser. His lawyer. etc etc etc

End with Putin, “of course I wanted him to win.”

Boom!

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:08:05am

re: #227 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

I wonder if we’re not getting ahead of the facts here. The two men who were arrested for attacking JS say he paid them to do it, he says he didn’t. Why, at this time, are we believing one over the other?

(I haven’t been following this story, so there may be something I haven’t seen — and the USCG terrorist was the lead story on the sources I do follow.)

I saw a tweet that said he paid them $3,500 with a personal check. I don’t know if he wrote “to fake attack” on the line at the bottom of the check though.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:08:22am

re: #239 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

“the guy’s incompetent and easily manipulated, but let him keep the job”

two years into the first term, running for re-election, that’s a hell of an ‘indictment’

It was enough to get Bush Sr elected as a quasi-third term for his boss.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:08:56am

re: #236 sagehen

The campaign ads almost write themselves.

Trump on the campaign trail — “I know the best people. I’ll hire all the best people.”
Mugshots. More mugshots. Mugshot after mugshot. with that thump-thump sound effect when GUILTY gets stamped in red across each of their faces.

His campaign manager. His national security advisor. His foreign policy adviser. His lawyer. etc etc etc

End with Putin, “of course I wanted him to win.”

now we’re cooking with gas!

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:09:02am

re: #234 Targetpractice

Because the two men testified before the grand jury that indicted him?

Problem with that is they would have reason to lie.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:11:11am

re: #239 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

“the guy’s incompetent and easily manipulated, but let him keep the job”

two years into the first term, running for re-election, that’s a hell of an ‘indictment’

Washington is a tough town and Trump is not a real politician. How was he supposed to know the ropes?

Putin set him up because they knew once Trump could be elected he would be soooo tough on them, unlike Clinton.

If we keep this up, I bet all the lizards can cover all the excuses that will be coming.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:11:26am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:12:03am

Well Reagan was an actor remember. But yeah that’s a fair worry. TBH I think he was directly involved in this. Trump to me seems to me that he would want to be the guy who wanted to know everything being done for him. I think it’s irrelevant if he didn’t understand it was illegal or anything like that. I also think he’s nowhere near as sympathetic as Reagan was. Reagan and Lizardom knows I’m no fan of his could present himself as kindly Grandpa Ron. There is not even a veneer of kindly Grandpa Don.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:12:44am

re: #241 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I saw a tweet that said he paid them $3,500 with a personal check. I don’t know if he wrote “to fake attack” on the line at the bottom of the check though.

If that check exists (who writes checks these days? they didn’t cash it?), it would be damning. But “Insaw it on twitter,” is, as we know, not the best evidence.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:13:09am

re: #246 Patricia Kayden

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This should come as no surprise to anyone who actually follows what the WH does. The WH was supporting RAISE, a bill introduced by Cotton and Perdue to limit LEGAL immigration.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:13:24am

re: #245 ObserverArt

Washington is a tough town and Trump is not a real politician. How was he supposed to know the ropes?

Putin set him up because they knew once Trump could be elected he would be soooo tough on them, unlike Clinton.

If we keep this up, I bet all the lizards can cover all the excuses that will be coming.

all the excuses in the world still point to incompetence and his absolutely abysmal judgment of character (how many times now?) that he claimed he was such an expert at…

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:14:06am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Well Reagan was an actor remember. But yeah that’s a fair worry. TBH I think he was directly involved in this. Trump to me seems to me that he would want to be the guy who wanted to know everything being done for him. I think it’s irrelevant if he didn’t understand it was illegal or anything like that. I also think he’s nowhere near as sympathetic as Reagan was. Reagan and Lizardom knows I’m no fan of his could present himself as kindly Grandpa Ron. There is not even a veneer of kindly Grandpa Don.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:15:00am

I just think either way Trump’s screwed. Either he’s a huge crook or he’s a complete imbecile that had a lot of crooks working for his benefit with him not even knowing it. Trump repeatedly insists that he only hires the best people. Again, do the hypothetical Sanghen ad that was suggested, that would be dynamite IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:16:06am

re: #251 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

MAKE ME PRESIDENT DAMN IT! I DON’T CARE WHAT IT TAKES.
I’m sure that was definitely how he felt and still feels. He’s just so full of shit and ignorance that he doesn’t see or even care why what was done was illegal.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:16:47am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

MAKE ME PRESIDENT DAMN IT! I DON’T CARE WHAT IT TAKES.
I’m sure that was definitely how he felt and still feels. He’s just so full of shit and ignorance that he doesn’t see or even care why what was done was illegal.

Yep, whatever needs to be done to inflate his ego and fuck everyone and everything else.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:16:58am

re: #244 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Problem with that is they would have reason to lie.

I need a little more than that to believe they perjured themselves.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:20:11am

Guest on Laura Ingraham’s show says John Wayne’s support of white supremacy was moral by the standards of 1979. Check out @atrupar’s Tweet:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:21:01am

re: #254 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, whatever needs to be done to inflate his ego and fuck everyone and everything else.

TBH it really says a lot about where we are as a country that this guy isn’t universally despised. I certainly don’t respect Trump as a President. I especially don’t respect him as a man and father. Trump has nothing virtuous at all you can say about him. At least with W, you could see his two daughters and Laura and see that he chose a lovely wife and raised two thoughtful and kind women.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:22:16am

re: #211 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

you never get rich if you keep upping your expenditures

Ah, the ‘what if I won the lottery?’ dream. I’ve dreamed it a million times.

I’d probably stay in the house we’re in, take maybe $50 large and buy some really nice gear, and hand the rest over to our accountant. Then retire.

Not happening this week, though.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:23:14am

re: #256 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Guest on Laura Ingraham’s show says John Wayne’s support of white supremacy was moral by the standards of 1979. Check out @atrupar’s Tweet:

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In 1979, my grandfather who was only five years younger than John Wayne died. My grandfather told his children that the n-word was completely unacceptable and shouldn’t ever be used. No one’s talking about tearing down historical markers but more pointing out that the beloved Duke was far from a hero and actually a white supremacist prick 11 years after MLK was murdered and indeed still championing white supremacy closer to the establishment of the MLK holiday than MLK’s death. But please tell us more about how the left is the real white supremacists, Dipshit von Rightwing Moron.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:23:30am

Check out @RVAwonk’s Tweet:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:24:16am

re: #260 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Check out @RVAwonk’s Tweet:

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He’s toast.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:24:47am

Mueller can get the GOP to turn on him if he gives them a report that lets them spin it as “Trump betrayed and lied to his own party, not just America at large!” That will allow them some attempt at distancing themselves and limiting the damage in 2020.

Or they can just hunker down, stonewall and find every nitpicking reason possible to dismiss the Mueller findings.

Why am I counting on the latter over the former?

America’s own no-deal Brexit solution.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:25:05am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

TBH it really says a lot about where we are as a country that this guy isn’t universally despised. I certainly don’t respect Trump as a President. I especially don’t respect him as a man and father. Trump has nothing virtuous at all you can say about him. At least with W, you could see his two daughters and Laura and see that he chose a lovely wife and raised two thoughtful and kind women.

The reason is simple: Trump is an asshole and I guarantee you a lot of people that support Trump know he’s an asshole, BUT he’s given them cover to get their extremist, nationalist, white supremacist freak on and do all kinds of racist, regressive and bigoted shit in the name of “Patriotism” and “Freedom”. That’s why they continue to support him. As long as Trump continues, so too does their own gravy train.

It’s not about Trump himself. Trump is just a means to an end.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:25:18am

re: #260 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Check out @RVAwonk’s Tweet:

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I really can’t see any way to defend Smollett at this point that doesn’t rely heavily upon accusing the Chicago PD of a conspiring against him.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:26:22am

re: #228 Dr. Matt

Is Roger Stone in jail yet?

Tomorrow is the hearing. Maybe shortly after that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:26:40am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller can get the GOP to turn on him if he gives them a report that lets them spin it as “Trump betrayed and lied to his own party, not just America at large!” That will allow them some attempt at distancing themselves and limiting the damage in 2020.

Or they can just hunker down, stonewall and find every nitpicking reason possible to dismiss the Mueller findings.

Why am I counting on the latter over the former?

America’s own no-deal Brexit solution.

Because the GOP senators are owned by Russia, except, possibly, for the 11 who voted to retain sanctions.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:27:43am

There’s no excuse or historical context you can have for white supremacy support in the late 1970’s. None. Wayne wasn’t raised surrounded by the Klan and old CSA men remembering “the good old days.” Wayne was close to LBJ in age and yet LBJ did more than any President not named Abraham Lincoln for Civil Rights. You can like John Wayne’s movies. That’s your right. I personally think he’s overrated as an actor but you can’t deny that his support for white supremacy was in fact wrong and far from being characteristic of his era shows how out of touch with reality he was politically and morally. He also wasn’t a hero.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:28:14am

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

The reason is simple: Trump is an asshole and I guarantee you a lot of people that support Trump know he’s an asshole, BUT he’s given them cover to get their extremist, nationalist, white supremacist freak on and do all kinds of racist, regressive and bigoted shit in the name of “Patriotism” and “Freedom”. That’s why they continue to support him. As long as Trump continues, so too does their own gravy train.

It’s not about Trump himself. Trump is just a means to an end.

I agree and it’s awful.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:29:13am

re: #262 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mueller can get the GOP to turn on him if he gives them a report that lets them spin it as “Trump betrayed and lied to his own party, not just America at large!” That will allow them some attempt at distancing themselves and limiting the damage in 2020.

Or they can just hunker down, stonewall and find every nitpicking reason possible to dismiss the Mueller findings.

Why am I counting on the latter over the former?

America’s own no-deal Brexit solution.

Because they’ve been in power for too long, and all they understand is doing whatever they can to maintain power.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:29:51am

BTW do al those wingers who complain that lefties are trying to “destroy” history have any issue with Eastern European countries taking down Communist statues and monuments? And Communism btw lasted a lot longer than the CSA ever did. Or shit how about Germany tearing down Nazi statues and monuments. TBH in a way I’d prefer keeping the CSA momuments with it being mentioned everywhere near the monument and statue that it was done to preserve white supremacy and Jim Crow and use the actual words by the men who built and dedicated them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:31:08am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:31:59am

re: #269 Belafon

Because they’ve been in power for too long, and all they understand is doing whatever they can to maintain power.

Sarah Kendzior put this very succinctly: “Once authoritarians get in to power, it is very hard to get them out.”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:35:03am

re: #260 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Is you writing a check for a criminal fucking conspiracy?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:35:08am

re: #265 makeitstop

Tomorrow is the hearing. Maybe shortly after that.

The hearing is today.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:37:47am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:37:59am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:39:02am
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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:39:21am

WaPo starts their email newsletter with Mueller, then the NC election fraud, then two big stories about the Coast Guard terrorist and ties to Breivik, and the Smollett thing way down the line, not a major story.

Good for them.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:40:49am

re: #275 Patricia Kayden

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Hannity knows better than this. He’s stupid but not that stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:41:57am

re: #276 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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They won’t. Instead Smollett will let them act like victims even though one of their own was literally just arrested for plotting mass murder on liberal politicians and media figures.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:42:30am

re: #255 Targetpractice

I need a little more than that to believe they perjured themselves.

I’m not saying they did. I’m not saying he did. I’m saying that everything I’m seeing assumes that he did — which is a rush to judgement, again, based on what I’ve seen up to now.

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:43:38am

re: #264 Targetpractice

I really can’t see any way to defend Smollett at this point that doesn’t rely heavily upon accusing the Chicago PD of a conspiring against him.

And that “defense” seems fairly unlikely to fly, since, by all accounts, the CPD spent a great deal of time and effort investigating Smollett’s claims - an investigation which paid off, btw; though not quite, I imagine, they way it was supposed to - and with a decent amount of public exposure.

The chat-show chatters I’ve seen this morning did make the point, though , that the Chicago Police spokespeople seemed obviously angry over the whole affair: unsurprisingly, as this high-profile hoax used up a lot of resources that could have been more-usefully deployed elsewhere: as in trying to solve real crimes…

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:44:04am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Hannity knows better than this. He’s stupid but not that stupid.

He’s purposefully lying by omission.

The recent arrests/seizures of drugs and contraband at the border are at ports of entry.

This is how the smugglers operate. It’s easier for them to try and get them through the ports of entry than to try and get them across open border 100s of miles from anything. They count on the border patrol to not catch everything coming across.

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:46:37am

re: #256 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Guest on Laura Ingraham’s show says John Wayne’s support of white supremacy was moral by the standards of 1979. Check out @atrupar’s Tweet:

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White movie stars at the 1963 march on washington:

Marlon Brando
Burt Lancaster
Paul Newman
Joanne Woodward
Charlton Heston

other white celebrities of the time who publicly, vocally, supported the Civil Rights movement — Humphrey Bogart, Lauren Bacall, Dean Martin. Frank Sinatra forced a 1960 agreement among hotel and casino owners that desegregated all of Las Vegas.

At the Children’s March (Birmingham, 1963) hundreds of kids were arrested. Alabama authorities thought keeping the kids in jail would shut down the movement. Nelson Rockefeller (then the richest man in America) put up two duffle bags full of cash to bail the kids out.

So John Wayne still supporting white supremacy, 15 years later, was absolutely NOT a man of his time.

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BlueGrl21  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:47:06am

re: #273 Sufficient unto the day…

Is you writing a check for a criminal fucking conspiracy?

He needs to do the, “I have problems, I’m going to go into treatment, privacy please” walk.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:47:32am

re: #248 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

If that check exists (who writes checks these days? they didn’t cash it?), it would be damning. But “Insaw it on twitter,” is, as we know, not the best evidence.

Phone app deposit; check still sitting on your desk…

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:47:38am

re: #282 Jay C

And that “defense” seems fairly unlikely to fly, since, by all accounts, the CPD spent a great deal of time and effort investigating Smollett’s claims - an investigation which paid off, btw; though not quite, I imagine, they way it was supposed to - and with a decent amount of public exposure.

The chat-show chatters I’ve seen this morning did make the point, though , that the Chicago Police spokespeople seemed obviously angry over the whole affair: unsurprisingly, as this high-profile hoax used up a lot of resources that could have been more-usefully deployed elsewhere: as in trying to solve real crimes…

Was talking to a long-time guest at work the other day about the Smollett case, as he’s not only from Chicago but also retired from the CPD and has friends either still in or recently retired. And it seems that, from what he’s heard from them, what really lit the fire under the CPD’s ass was the “Good Morning America” interview last week. It seems that suggesting that the cops don’t know what they’re doing, that they were looking to invade his privacy, and that they weren’t supporting his version of events was not the smartest way he could have gone about conducting the interview.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:47:44am

Trump’s going to make it impossible for Smollett to get a fair trial. Heh.

That’d be one hell of a jury question - are you aware of the President’s tweets about Smollett?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:50:25am

Laugh of the hour….

SMOTI thinking that Tucker Carlson cursing his way through the interview with Bregman proves that Carlson is anything other than a hack millionaire serving the interests of billionaires?

LMAO.

And I’m also crying because SMOTI has reach and influence because there are people dumb enough to buy his baffling BS and he gets to spread his noxious hate/bigotry far and wide.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:50:28am

re: #282 Jay C

And that “defense” seems fairly unlikely to fly, since, by all accounts, the CPD spent a great deal of time and effort investigating Smollett’s claims - an investigation which paid off, btw; though not quite, I imagine, they way it was supposed to - and with a decent amount of public exposure.

The chat-show chatters I’ve seen this morning did make the point, though , that the Chicago Police spokespeople seemed obviously angry over the whole affair: unsurprisingly, as this high-profile hoax used up a lot of resources that could have been more-usefully deployed elsewhere: as in trying to solve real crimes…

Which is one of the big reasons, if he’s found guilty, he needs to be severly punished. This really hurts those that have legitimate issues to report.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:51:00am

re: #286 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Phone app deposit; check still sitting on your desk…

I skipped that step in my phone payment development. 🙃

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:52:23am

re: #258 makeitstop

Ah, the ‘what if I won the lottery?’ dream. I’ve dreamed it a million times.

I’d probably stay in the house we’re in, take maybe $50 large and buy some really nice gear, and hand the rest over to our accountant. Then retire.

Not happening this week, though.

Warren Buffet still lives in the house he bought in 1958. It’s worth an estimated $650K.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:52:34am

re: #271 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:53:32am

Trump says cut them off.

FEMA? Who dat?

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:53:38am

re: #289 lawhawk

Laugh of the hour….

SMOTI thinking that Tucker Carlson cursing his way through the interview with Bregman proves that Carlson is anything other than a hack millionaire serving the interests of billionaires?

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LMAO.

And I’m also crying because SMOTI has reach and influence because there are people dumb enough to buy his baffling BS and he gets to spread his noxious hate/bigotry far and wide.

I expect Dim Jim to be there to defend Carlson on pure reflex. What I generally don’t expect is Cenk Uygur suggesting that Carlson was “set up.”

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:55:22am

re: #287 Targetpractice

Was talking to a long-time guest at work the other day about the Smollett case, as he’s not only from Chicago but also retired from the CPD and has friends either still in or recently retired. And it seems that, from what he’s heard from them, what really lit the fire under the CPD’s ass was the “Good Morning America” interview last week. It seems that suggesting that the cops don’t know what they’re doing, that they were looking to invade his privacy, and that they weren’t supporting his version of events was not the smartest way he could have gone about conducting the interview.

Well, in retrospect, that entire interview would fall under the rubric of “not the smartest way he could have gone about [doing anything]”; as what it will have ended up doing is making him look like even more of a liar/fraudster/hack. He couldn’t have constructed a worse fabric of “misstatements” if he’d had Sarah Sanders fronting for him….

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:55:37am

re: #295 Targetpractice

Cenk’s another hack in the mold of Greenwald.

Carlson wasn’t set up. Carlson thought that he could get one over on Bregman, and Bregman called out not only Carlson, but Fox, and the agitprop Fox serves up 24/7/365.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:06:02am

re: #288 lawhawk

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Trump’s going to make it impossible for Smollett to get a fair trial. Heh.

That’d be one hell of a jury question - are you aware of the President’s tweets about Smollett?

Trump really should STFU about this kind of shit if he believes Smollet is guilty but he just wants to make him and his supporters victims.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:06:30am

re: #295 Targetpractice

I expect Dim Jim to be there to defend Carlson on pure reflex. What I generally don’t expect is Cenk Uygur suggesting that Carlson was “set up.”

The far left, far right axis sometimes go round and round.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:07:44am

re: #295 Targetpractice

I expect Dim Jim to be there to defend Carlson on pure reflex. What I generally don’t expect is Cenk Uygur suggesting that Carlson was “set up.”

“Rich tv guy against middle income professor. The professor isn’t supposed to win. It’s a trap.”

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:08:33am

The Smollett case really should be yet another example of why, when you find yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is stop digging. The moment people started voicing doubts about his story, the smart thing to do would have been to clam up and only talk through his attorneys. The dumbest thing he could possible do is what he did: publicly double down and insinuate that any who question the validity of his version of events has an agenda.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:13:26am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:14:10am

re: #289 lawhawk

Laugh of the hour….

SMOTI thinking that Tucker Carlson cursing his way through the interview with Bregman proves that Carlson is anything other than a hack millionaire serving the interests of billionaires?

[Embedded content]

LMAO.

And I’m also crying because SMOTI has reach and influence because there are people dumb enough to buy his baffling BS and he gets to spread his noxious hate/bigotry far and wide.

Yeah we get it Jim, Tucker the pampered brat who has never actually had to work for anything in his life didn’t like the Professor calling him for the shill he is. Maybe if you and Tucker and Trump too actually lived in the real world outside your right wing bubbles, you’d know shit.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:15:01am

re: #272 Eclectic Cyborg

Sarah Kendzior put this very succinctly: “Once authoritarians get in to power, it is very hard to get them out.”

IF this country totally gives up democratic elections.

I sure hope we are not at that point. I’m thinking having a Democratic House will help prevent that from happening next election.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:16:57am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Hannity knows better than this. He’s stupid but not that stupid.

I wouldn’t go that far. He has shown he is ready to do just about anything for his Don.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:17:48am

re: #305 ObserverArt

I wouldn’t go that far. He has shown he is ready to do just about anything for his Don.

Yeah maybe i was too generous to the stupid asshole there :).

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:20:24am

Military Times:

The Pentagon wants to know how a border wall will improve troops’ “effectiveness” before it contributes DoD dollars

….

The use of military construction funds is a political hot button. Most of those projects are the result of military communities’ elected officials lobbying — sometimes for years — for new buildings, gyms and housing that are viewed as critical quality-of-life projects. They are also sometimes seen as insulation against base closure. That same funding also supports operational needs, such as the construction of new aircraft hangars.

militarytimes.com

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:21:11am

re: #295 Targetpractice

I expect Dim Jim to be there to defend Carlson on pure reflex. What I generally don’t expect is Cenk Uygur suggesting that Carlson was “set up.”

If you trust Cenk Uygur to be on the up and up…you are a better man than me.

I really do not like Uygur. At all. The guy creeps me out.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:22:21am

re: #308 ObserverArt

If you trust Cenk Uygur to be on the up and up…you are a better man than me.

I really do not like Uygur. At all. The guy creeps me out.

I don’t think TP trusts him either more so that he would think that Cenk wouldn’t take the side of Tucker being an asshole to a lefty professor calling Tucker out for what he is and that’s a millionaire shilling for billionaires while pretending he’s speaking for the middle class. And yeah Cenk is an asshole. One of the worst Bernie Bros out there IMO.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:23:55am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

I personally think [John Wayne is] overrated as an actor but you can’t deny that his support for white supremacy was in fact wrong and far from being characteristic of his era shows how out of touch with reality he was politically and morally. He also wasn’t a hero.

And, as I read, that was part of his personal psychological complex. He missed participating in WW2 and tried to make up for it by embodying the American Hero in all his movies and in his private life.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:24:05am

re: #302 Belafon

[Peter Tork]

My childhood dies before my eyes.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:25:48am

re: #283 lawhawk

…This is how the smugglers operate. It’s easier for them to try and get them through the ports of entry than to try and get them across open border 100s of miles from anything. They count on the border patrol to not catch everything coming across.

They can also be bribed to look the other way…

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:26:45am

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I don’t think TP trusts him either more so that he would think that Cenk wouldn’t take the side of Tucker being an asshole to a lefty professor calling Tucker out for what he is and that’s a millionaire shilling for billionaires while pretending he’s speaking for the middle class. And yeah Cenk is an asshole. One of the worst Bernie Bros out there IMO.

Yeah, pretty much. When you’re a Bro, it’s sort of out of character to be taking the side of “the establishment.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:27:00am

re: #284 sagehen

So John Wayne still supporting white supremacy, 15 years later, was absolutely NOT a man of his time.

Did John Wayne also not throw a backstage fit when Marlon Brando sent a Native American to decline his Oscar for The Godfather?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:28:17am

re: #294 lawhawk

Trump says cut them off.

FEMA? Who dat?

People know that it is best to ignore the Tweets and wait for official orders to filter down

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:29:38am

re: #310 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And, as I read, that was part of his personal psychological complex. He missed participating in WW2 and tried to make up for it by embodying the American Hero in all his movies and in his private life.

I wouldn’t be surprised. I take serious issue with people who call the man a hero. And it’s not for political reasons. Jimmy Stewart was equally right wing and still a hero given his service in the then Army Air Forces during the war. I wouldn’t call Wayne a coward because I do understand why he was 4F but I have a big problem with the fact that he did ot serve and then attacked young men who had serious questions about Vietnam’s morality given that Vietnam was much more complex than WWII ever was.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:30:18am

re: #314 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did John Wayne also not throw a backstage fit when Marlon Brando sent a Native American to decline his Oscar for The Godfather?

I’m sure he did. As Sanghen said, he definitely wasn’t a product of his times. He was a bigot for his time and our time.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:31:39am

re: #313 Targetpractice

Yeah, pretty much. When you’re a Bro, it’s sort of out of character to be taking the side of “the establishment.”

Yeah it’s weird as hell to see a Bro taking the side of a trustfund brat who works for FNC and shills for Trump nightly over a professor who correctly pointed that out. But as I said the far left/far right does seem to have some weird intersections at times and this is one of them. Why this professor inspired Cenk to defend Carlson over him OTOH I don’t know why.

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piratedan  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:33:18am

re: #188 The Vicious Babushka

i was asked, but informed them that I am not a citizen…. :-)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:33:38am

BTW I so want to read Professor Kevin Kruse’s books now that I’ve seen his tweet stuff. He does a great job demonstrating the facts of the South in the 19th and 20th century. He doesn’t get nasty. He certainly gets frustrated because Dinesh D’Sousa is so full of himself and his ideology that he can’t admit that the Republican Party pandered to the racism that Southern whites had and hostility they had for federal civil rights legislation in the South.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:35:13am

This is a cool story about how there are cat ladders built on many of the homes and multiple-family homes in Switzerland:

thisiscolossal.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:37:43am

re: #321 retired cynic

This is a cool story about how there are cat ladders built on many of the homes and multiple-family homes in Switzerland:

thisiscolossal.com

They are a uniquely European thing, I cannot recall ever seeing one in the ‘States. Neighbors have one right out on the back terrace.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:38:20am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

BTW I so want to read Professor Kevin Kruse’s books now that I’ve seen his tweet stuff. He does a great job demonstrating the facts of the South in the 19th and 20th century. He doesn’t get nasty. He certainly gets frustrated because Dinesh D’Sousa is so full of himself and his ideology that he can’t admit that the Republican Party pandered to the racism that Southern whites had and hostility they had for federal civil rights legislation in the South.

One of the hardest lessons to learn about twitter is that there are some people we cannot change the minds of, even if we just present facts. Dinesh doesn’t want to learn, for reasons of income. It helps to put up information for those who are willing, but no one should be under the illusion that we’re going to change people like him or Trump via tweet.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:38:52am

re: #288 lawhawk

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Trump’s going to make it impossible for Smollett to get a fair trial. Heh.

That’d be one hell of a jury question - are you aware of the President’s tweets about Smollett?

Because Trump would NEVER insult people with racist and dangerous comments.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:39:48am

Yeah Twitter Timeout!

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Mike Lamb  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:41:03am

re: #246 Patricia Kayden

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Exhibit Eleventy Billion that the hue and cry over illegal immigration is just a stalking horse, and that they want to cut ALL immigration.

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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:41:26am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t be surprised. I take serious issue with people who call the man a hero. And it’s not for political reasons. Jimmy Stewart was equally right wing and still a hero given his service in the then Army Air Forces during the war. I wouldn’t call Wayne a coward because I do understand why he was 4F but I have a big problem with the fact that he did ot serve and then attacked young men who had serious questions about Vietnam’s morality given that Vietnam was much more complex than WWII ever was.

He wasn’t labeled 4F, he was labeled 3-A, i.e. he was the sole breadwinner in his household. He could have applied for and gotten a waiver to serve, but he’d just gotten his big break in Hollywood and worried that he’d be too old for the leading-man roles by the time the war ended. Then other major stars joined up and went off to star and suddenly the studio was lobbying to keep him home.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:42:01am

re: #323 Belafon

One of the hardest lessons to learn about twitter is that there are some people we cannot change the minds of, even if we just present facts. Dinesh doesn’t want to learn, for reasons of income. It helps to put up information for those who are willing, but no one should be under the illusion that we’re going to change people like him or Trump via tweet.

Right. He’s not going to change D’Sousa’s mind but he does educate. There was some stuff I learned that I hadn’t known before from Kruse’s threads. I’d love to see him talk about history and engage him.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:42:29am

re: #327 Targetpractice

He wasn’t labeled 4F, he was labeled 3-A, i.e. he was the sole breadwinner in his household. He could have applied for and gotten a waiver to serve, but he’d just gotten his big break in Hollywood and worried that he’d be too old for the leading-man roles by the time the war ended. Then other major stars joined up and went off to star and suddenly the studio was lobbying to keep him home.

3A my bad. Thanks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:44:11am

re: #327 Targetpractice

He wasn’t labeled 4F, he was labeled 3-A, i.e. he was the sole breadwinner in his household. He could have applied for and gotten a waiver to serve, but he’d just gotten his big break in Hollywood and worried that he’d be too old for the leading-man roles by the time the war ended. Then other major stars joined up and went off to star and suddenly the studio was lobbying to keep him home.

Side note:

In the Alternate timeline of The Man in the High Castle, he becomes a hero and leader of the American Resistance Movement and is killed in the Battle of Denver.

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Jay C  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:45:16am

re: #320 HappyWarrior

BTW I so want to read Professor Kevin Kruse’s books now that I’ve seen his tweet stuff. He does a great job demonstrating the facts of the South in the 19th and 20th century. He doesn’t get nasty. He certainly gets frustrated because Dinesh D’Sousa is so full of himself and his ideology that he can’t admit that the Republican Party pandered to the racism that Southern whites had and hostility they had for federal civil rights legislation in the South.

Quite agree, but I’d edit this slightly: for tense:

“…he can’t admit that the Republican Party panders to the racism that Southern whites have and hostility they still have for federal civil rights legislation in the South.”

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:45:46am

re: #327 Targetpractice

Ted Williams and other MLBers served. Williams lost years of his prime to service in the USAAF.

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Mike Lamb  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:47:20am

re: #289 lawhawk

Laugh of the hour….

SMOTI thinking that Tucker Carlson cursing his way through the interview with Bregman proves that Carlson is anything other than a hack millionaire serving the interests of billionaires?

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LMAO.

And I’m also crying because SMOTI has reach and influence because there are people dumb enough to buy his baffling BS and he gets to spread his noxious hate/bigotry far and wide.

I know we deal in different realities than the people that turn to Hoft for “real” “news”, but for the life of me, I don’t know how anyone can think that video makes Carlson look good. I suppose they are just happy he told Bregman to go fuck himself, but still.

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Decatur Deb  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:48:25am

re: #311 MsJ

My childhood dies before my eyes.

Met him one night in the Fifth Wind, the basement of The Four Winds, a Village basket house. That was before the Monkees.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:49:03am

re: #331 Jay C

Quite agree, but I’d edit this slightly: for tense:

Agreed!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:50:19am

re: #332 lawhawk

Ted Williams and other MLBers served. Williams lost years of his prime to service in the USAAF.

Hank Greenberg. Probably is better remembered if WWII doesn’t interrupt his career.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:51:05am

re: #326 Mike Lamb

Exhibit Eleventy Billion that the hue and cry over illegal immigration is just a stalking horse, and that they want to cut ALL immigration.

Except white people immigration.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:51:44am

Syracuse police say 51-year-old Jorge Jimenez was in a car with three others before midnight Wednesday when their vehicle crashed into a guardrail on I-690 in Syracuse.

Boeheim struck Jimenez as he stood on the side of the road while trying to avoid the vehicle in the middle of the highway. Jimenez was taken to a local hospital, where he was pronounced dead, police said.

Boeheim, the 74-year-old Basketball Hall of Fame coach, is cooperating with the investigation.

“He stopped immediately and exited the vehicle,” said Syracuse Sgt. Matthew Malinowski.

Police said sobriety tests administered to Boeheim and the unidentified driver of the other vehicle were negative for any signs of impairment. No tickets have been issued to Boeheim at this time and the investigation is continuing.

Light rain and freezing rain were falling Wednesday night, though it is unclear if the weather had anything to do with the crash.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:53:08am

re: #338 lawhawk

I’m hoping the dude was just wearing dark clothes and Boeheim didn’t see him.

Tragic situation regardless.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:53:23am

re: #338 lawhawk

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I feel awful for all involved.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:54:36am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m hoping the dude was just wearing dark clothes and Boeheim didn’t see him.

Tragic situation regardless.

I’m definitely thinking it was something like that given Boeheim is cooperating fully and I’m sure he feels awful.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:54:43am

re: #337 Eclectic Cyborg

Except white people immigration.

Norway

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:56:02am

re: #327 Targetpractice

He wasn’t labeled 4F, he was labeled 3-A, i.e. he was the sole breadwinner in his household. He could have applied for and gotten a waiver to serve, but he’d just gotten his big break in Hollywood and worried that he’d be too old for the leading-man roles by the time the war ended. Then other major stars joined up and went off to star and suddenly the studio was lobbying to keep him home.

Wouldn’t he have saved enough so that his family could manage in his absence? Reminiscent of those wealthy men who bought their way out of serving during the Civil War. His patriotism seemed to be confined to allowing braver men to sacrifice their lives so that he could retain his fame.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:56:15am

re: #342 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Norway

Lutefisk Trucks on every corner and blondes.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:57:44am

re: #343 Hecuba’s daughter

Wouldn’t he have saved enough so that his family could manage in his absence? Reminiscent of those wealthy men who bought their way out of serving during the Civil War. His patriotism seemed to be confined to allowing braver men to sacrifice their lives so that he could retain his fame.

Which is why calling him a hero insults real heroes. And he had no problem likening himself and his character to the heroic people he portrayed.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:59:35am

Meanwhile you have former Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield who is just buried at Arlington as Michael Joseph Mansfield Pvt USMC with his date of birth and death.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 9:59:43am

re: #344 HappyWarrior

Lutefisk Trucks on every corner and blondes.

Mandatory moose sweaters from October through April

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:00:55am

re: #347 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Mandatory moose sweaters from October through April

Sharingrid Bergman Law. And yeah I know she was Swedish.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:01:58am

re: #341 HappyWarrior

The way that AP report is written, it sounds like there was a vehicle (or wreckage) in the roadway, Boeheim tried to swerve around, and hit the victim by accident.

The victim was apparently the driver of the vehicle that had just crashed into the median.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:02:27am

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:02:48am

re: #349 lawhawk

The way that AP report is written, it sounds like there was a vehicle (or wreckage) in the roadway, Boeheim tried to swerve around, and hit the victim by accident.

The victim was apparently the driver of the vehicle that had just crashed into the median.

Damn. Definitely think that could be weather impacted.

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:06:19am

You think?

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:06:30am
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Targetpractice  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:10:32am

re: #353 lawhawk

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I’m in agreement that she’s not likely to revoke bail, but instead make clear that she will do so if he doesn’t learn how to shut the fuck up while he’s awaiting trial.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:11:13am

re: #346 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile you have former Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield who is just buried at Arlington as Michael Joseph Mansfield Pvt USMC with his date of birth and death.

Interesting story

At 14, Mansfield dropped out of school and lied about his age in order to enlist in the U.S. Navy during World War I. He went on several overseas convoys on the USS Minneapolis, but was discharged by the Navy after his real age was discovered. (He was the last known veteran of the war to die before reaching the age of 100, as well as being the final World War I veteran to sit in the US Senate.) After his Navy discharge, he enlisted in the U.S. Army, serving as a private from 1919 to 1920.

Mansfield was a Private First Class in the U.S. Marine Corps from 1920 to 1922. He served in the Western Recruiting Division at San Francisco until January 1921, when he was transferred to the Marine Barracks at Puget Sound, Washington. The following month, he was detached to the Guard Company, Marine Barracks, Navy Yard, Mare Island, California. In April, he boarded the USAT Sherman, bound for the Philippines. After a brief stopover at the Marine Barracks at Cavite, he arrived at his duty station on May 5, 1921, the Marine Barracks, Naval Station, Olongapo, Philippine Islands. One year later, Mansfield was assigned to Company A, Marine Battery, Asiatic Fleet. A short tour of duty with the Asiatic Fleet took him along the coast of China, before he returned to Olongapo in late May 1922. His service with the Marines established a lifelong interest in Asia.

Mansfield concluded his public service in 1988 as ambassador to Japan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:12:40am

re: #355 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Interesting story

Mansfield concluded his public service in 1988 as ambassador to Japan.

TBH I think he’s one of the most under appreciated Senators of the last century. A true public servant from beginning to end.

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lawhawk  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:12:49am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:16:20am

A thought on the press, and a way to reinstitute some form of the Fairness Doctrine in our current system. The original doctrine should not have relied on news companies getting free airwave access in order to submit it. A better argument is that, since the press is given protection to report on government, including protections from the consequences of receving information that would otherwise be deemed illegal, they have a responsibility to report on the government in a way that shows no favoritism to one side, and should definitely not be tied to a particular party.

I leave the details up to legal people, but I think you get the idea.

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Dave In Austin  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:19:01am

Facebook Video

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:19:10am

re: #358 Belafon

A thought on the press, and a way to reinstitute some form of the Fairness Doctrine in our current system. The original doctrine should not have relied on news companies getting free airwave access in order to submit it. A better argument is that, since the press is given protection to report on government, including protections from the consequences of receving information that would otherwise be deemed illegal, they have a responsibility to report on the government in a way that shows no favoritism to one side, and should definitely not be tied to a particular party.

I leave the details up to legal people, but I think you get the idea.

OT but what kind of feed back on your Kos page did you get?

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:22:42am

re: #274 lawhawk

The hearing is today.

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Yeah, I know. I’ve been so spun from work this week I thought it was Wednesday. Also, my wife’s not around (she’s freezing in Vegas), so I’m not getting my usual reminders…

We apologize for the error. :)

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:25:22am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

OT but what kind of feed back on your Kos page did you get?

Half-and-half, it looks like, though I did have one person suggest I take it down, and I had someone else say they had seen evidence of someone claiming that Bernie did cause Democrats to win. I’m guessing they didn’t read the diary I sourced, though I wasn’t going to put that one in my diary.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:28:08am

re: #362 Belafon

Half-and-half, it looks like, though I did have one person suggest I take it down, and I had someone else say they had seen evidence of someone claiming that Bernie did cause Democrats to win. I’m guessing they didn’t read the diary I sourced, though I wasn’t going to put that one in my diary.

Oh well. You tried. I just hate seeing Bernie get credit he doesn’t deserve and a lot of the Bros I know were patting him on the back for not backing Northam even tho Bernie’s refusal to endorse Ralph was economics related.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:29:33am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:31:46am

The thing is about the 2018 midterms and 2017 elections here in Va and Nj is that the Dems on the ground deserve a lot of credit. Some of them were people who had supported Bernie including some friends I made campaigning. Some of us had supported HRC. We all agreed that we need to get more progressive minded candidates elected. There are fortunately people who like Bernie who aren’t of the “Or Bust” variety but unfortunately the Of Bust variety is his most loud type of supporter and he who himself uses as a surrogate.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:35:57am

re: #365 HappyWarrior

The thing is about the 2018 midterms and 2017 elections here in Va and Nj is that the Dems on the ground deserve a lot of credit. Some of them were people who had supported Bernie including some friends I made campaigning. Some of us had supported HRC. We all agreed that we need to get more progressive minded candidates elected. There are fortunately people who like Bernie who aren’t of the “Or Bust” variety but unfortunately the Of Bust variety is his most loud type of supporter and he who himself uses as a surrogate.

Here in Texas, it was Pelosi, Sanders, and later, AOC, that were used in commercials by the GOP to tar Demcorats. It didn’t always work - see Colin Allred - but he’s the Socialist boogyman around here.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:40:40am
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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:40:49am

Touchy Judge:

An equal rights activist is being held without bail in Virginia for baring her breast in a re-enactment of the Virginia state seal. Michelle Renay Sutherland is charged with indecent exposure, a non-violent misdemeanor, but Judge Lawrence B. Cann III, the chief judge of the Richmond General District Court, has ordered her to be imprisoned until a March 21 hearing.

As performance art advocating that Virginia ratify the Equal Rights Amendment, Sutherland exposed one breast to portray the Roman goddess Virtus, who is shown on Virginia’s seal with her foot on a figure representing Tyranny. A magistrate set a $700 bail, only to have Cann revoke that.

“What the woman did in re-enacting the flag/seal is classic political speech entitled to the highest free speech protection known to law,” a past president of the Virginia State Bar told the Richmond Times-Dispatch. “She should win and the denial of bond seems to be totally inappropriate. I am very surprised to see that done in a case in which she’d be unlikely to get jail time even if convicted.”

Perhaps Cann knew that Sutherland was unlikely to be convicted or, if convicted, to be sentenced to jail, so he decided to impose a pre-trial sentence to both retaliate against Sutherland and intimidate other activists. It’s hard to think of other reasons for such an outrageous move—holding someone without bail is the sort of thing you usually hear about in major crimes, not PG-13 political activism. To go from a routine $700 bail to a month of imprisonment shows that something isn’t right here.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:42:09am
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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:42:41am

The usual suspects using Smollett to prop up their worldview.

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:43:52am

Now I understand why so many conservatives have a fetish for John Wayne. True story: When I was in the military in the early 90s, there was a group of evangelical RWers that would have John Wayne watch parties (VHS) about once a month. To mess with them from time-to-time, I would insult John Wayne and they would get all bent out of shape. Now I understand. Heil Herr John.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:44:28am

re: #366 Belafon

Here in Texas, it was Pelosi, Sanders, and later, AOC, that were used in commercials by the GOP to tar Demcorats. It didn’t always work - see Colin Allred - but he’s the Socialist boogyman around here.

He really didn’t endorse anyone here so the GOP really wasn’t able to tar Jennifer Wexton by likening her to him. Though Pelosi certainly was used.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:45:03am

re: #369 Belafon

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And this is why I adore her.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:45:24am

re: #371 Dr. Matt

Now I understand why so many conservatives have a fetish for John Wayne. True story: When I was in the military in the early 90s, there was a group of evangelical RWers that would have John Wayne watch parties (VHS) about once a month. To mess with them from time-to-time, I would insult John Wayne and they would get all bent out of shape. Now I understand. Heil Herr John.

John Wayne was a Fag

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:45:45am

sure executive time
he’s got nothing to do because he’s not doing the job

but plenty of time to tweet about smollett, hoda muthana

what full time busy successful exec would have time for this, or care?

he does all this stuff for one goal - attention
and he does it basically because he doesnt know how to do anything astually producstive

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:46:00am

re: #370 jaunte

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The usual suspects using Smollett to prop up their worldview.

Dana erally should shut the fuck up about this given that a wingnut woman did the same thing Smollet and tried to blame Obama supporters for it in Pittsburgh in 2008. Smollett is an asshole and I hope he’s punished but Dana has no right to cry victim here after the way she and other Trump supporters act.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:46:41am

re: #368 Belafon

Touchy Judge:

Gotta put the wimmins in their place.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:46:48am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

I’m hoping the dude was just wearing dark clothes and Boeheim didn’t see him.

Tragic situation regardless.

If the weather was like what Ohio had the last two nights, it was foggy because there is just so much moisture in the air and the temps were probably increasing creating even more fog.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:47:34am

re: #371 Dr. Matt

Now I understand why so many conservatives have a fetish for John Wayne. True story: When I was in the military in the early 90s, there was a group of evangelical RWers that would have John Wayne watch parties (VHS) about once a month. To mess with them from time-to-time, I would insult John Wayne and they would get all bent out of shape. Now I understand. Heil Herr John.

TBH he’s not even that good an actor. When I finally saw Quiet Man, a movie that I actually have a lot of sentimental weakness for since it was filmed turns out not too far from the village in Ireland where my third grandmother was from and I’m certain that distant cousins of mine were extras, I couldn’t believe I was watching an Irish-American returning to Connemara, I was watching John Wayne return to Connemara and I don’t buy John Wayne as a first generation Irish-American.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:47:48am

re: #378 ObserverArt

If the weather was like what Ohio had the last two nights, it was foggy because there is just so much moisture in the air and the temps were probably increasing creating even more fog.

We’ve had insane fog down here the past couple of days too. Needless to say I’ve been very conservative driving home from work the past couple of nights.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:48:42am

re: #376 HappyWarrior

They’re gratified to have some incident to hold up so they can keep ignoring the last 300 years of actual black victimization by whites.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:49:27am

re: #379 HappyWarrior

TBH he’s not even that good an actor. When I finally saw Quiet Man, a movie that I actually have a lot of sentimental weakness for since it was filmed turns out not too far from the village in Ireland where my third grandmother was from and I’m certain that distant cousins of mine were extras, I couldn’t believe I was watching an Irish-American returning to Connemara, I was watching John Wayne return to Connemara and I don’t buy John Wayne as a first generation Irish-American.

About the only film I of Wayne’s I really liked was McQ. Don’t know why I like it, but I do.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:50:23am

re: #381 jaunte

They’re gratified to have some incident to hold up so they can keep ignoring the last 300 years of actual black victimization by whites.

Shit look at the guy that was just caught. Smollet is an asshole but it doesn’t change the fact that this shit does happen and the people who do this shit generally are fans of Trump. Doesn’t mean what he did was right or shouldn’t be prosecuted but Trump supporters have zero right to act like they’re victims because of this.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:50:54am

re: #371 Dr. Matt

Now I understand why so many conservatives have a fetish for John Wayne. True story: When I was in the military in the early 90s, there was a group of evangelical RWers that would have John Wayne watch parties (VHS) about once a month. To mess with them from time-to-time, I would insult John Wayne and they would get all bent out of shape. Now I understand. Heil Herr John.

once again, people confusing the character(s) on screen with the actor/actress

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:51:03am

re: #382 Dr Lizardo

About the only film I of Wayne’s I really liked was McQ. Don’t know why I like it, but I do.

I’m surprised. You didn’t like The Searchers? I didn’t like Stagecoach because it felt like too much of a cookie cutter Western but I liked The Searchers.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:53:26am

re: #384 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

once again, people confusing the character(s) on screen with the actor/actress

You would think though a bunch of military guys would TBH kind of resent Wayne because he did though granted not to the same extent of Reagan who did serve but never saw combat try to claim war hero status. I won’t diminish what Reagan did during the war years. He did serve his country but the people who attacked Nathan Phillips as a liar(when Nathan never said he was combat and in Vietnam) are the same people who had no problem with Reagan saying he had taken part in the liberation of a concentration camp.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:54:29am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised. You didn’t like The Searchers? I didn’t like Stagecoach because it felt like too much of a cookie cutter Western but I liked The Searchers.

yellow ribbon
mclintock’s not bad
big jake’s ok

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:55:13am

For the problem with Wayne is his characters really for the most part lack depth to them. There’s really not a lot of diversity. And I get part of that is Wayne was more of a traditional actor than the method type of actor I like that really gets in his character’s head like a Brando or later DeNiro or Pacino but I watch Wayne’s contemporaries like Jimmy Stewart, Humphrey Bogart, and Henry Fonda and I see much more nuance in their characters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:55:52am

re: #367 jaunte

Trump has already tweeted to condemn Smollett. I agree it’s wrong to make a false report of a hate crime.

Smollett is a media star, Trump is a media star. That domestic terrorist is not.

This is the New Media Reality

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:56:24am

re: #387 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

yellow ribbon
mclintock’s not bad
big jake’s ok

I think what is with Wayne is he played archetypes. People like rooting for that and I get that. I just don’t get how people think Wayne is an actual hero. I don’t mind his movies. I just think he’s really not that special as an actor but more an archetype and whose acting style is too old fashioned for me.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:59:03am

re: #200 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Apex is a fucking awesome system for control of saltwater aquaria. It is also quite pricey. Internet control of my system is limited to lighting right now (2xHydra 26 running under Aquaillumination), but I will have my dosing (peristaltic) pumps and wavemakers hooked up soon. Working on rationalizing the Apex.

We’re using the Ecotech Reeflink and Ecosmart Live to control the Radion lights, Vortech powerheads and Vectra return pump. I looked into the Apex system because the various chemistry probes seemed like they’d be a great way to signal dosing and keep everything in control. However after researching I don’t think they’re nearly accurate or reliable enough, at least not yet.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:59:34am

re: #385 HappyWarrior

I’m surprised. You didn’t like The Searchers? I didn’t like Stagecoach because it felt like too much of a cookie cutter Western but I liked The Searchers.

I’m really not a big fan of Westerns.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 10:59:42am

re: #389 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:00:12am

re: #390 HappyWarrior

I think what is with Wayne is he played archetypes. People like rooting for that and I get that. I just don’t get how people think Wayne is an actual hero. I don’t mind his movies. I just think he’s really not that special as an actor but more an archetype and whose acting style is too old fashioned for me.

Well Happy, people watched Don Trump on TV as a big successful business man. It too was an act. Many voted for Trump believing his TV star image rather than the actual man and his actual business record.

Humans can be really stupid that way. And it is frustrating having to deal with it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:00:14am

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

I’m really not a big fan of Westerns.

I liked True Grit…both the John Wayne and the Cohen Brothers versions

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:01:08am

re: #393 jaunte

“There are too many actual hate crimes to make them worth investigating.” - Wall Street Journal

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:02:00am

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

I’m really not a big fan of Westerns.

Ahhhhh, that makes sense.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:02:14am

re: #395 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I liked True Grit…both the John Wayne and the Cohen Brothers versions

I saw that; I liked the Cohen Brothers take better.

Also, I did like Eastwood’s Unforgiven, which is for me at least the finest film of its genre.

Perhaps it’s more fair to say I enjoy revisionist Westerns more than I do traditional Hollywood Westerns.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:02:19am

re: #396 Belafon

“There are too many actual hate crimes to make them worth investigating.” - Wall Street Journal

So, lets concentrate on the biggest crime that is going.

Trump.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:08:03am
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Ace Rothstein  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:08:33am

re: #400 jaunte

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:08:36am

re: #283 lawhawk

He’s purposefully lying by omission.

The recent arrests/seizures of drugs and contraband at the border are at ports of entry.

This is how the smugglers operate. It’s easier for them to try and get them through the ports of entry than to try and get them across open border 100s of miles from anything. They count on the border patrol to not catch everything coming across.

Instead of brown people with cantaloupe calves it’s just in a brown truck full of cantaloupe

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:09:26am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Hannity knows better than this. He’s stupid but not that stupid.

Yes he is.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:09:52am

re: #398 Dr Lizardo

I saw that; I liked the Cohen Brothers take better.

Also, I did like Eastwood’s Unforgiven, which is for me at least the finest film of its genre.

Perhaps it’s more fair to say I enjoy revisionist Westerns more than I do traditional Hollywood Westerns.

I think that’s how I feel too.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:10:31am

re: #396 Belafon

“There are too many actual hate crimes to make them worth investigating.” - Wall Street Journal

That makes no sense but par the course for a Murdoch rag.

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Ace Rothstein  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:11:15am

Now I understand why Flavor Flav said “Mother fuck him and John Wayne” on “Fight the Power” back in the day.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:12:42am

re: #359 Dave In Austin

I honestly expected that one little quiet dog to go cujo by the end. 🤣

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:14:38am

re: #311 MsJ

My childhood dies before my eyes.

Did you have a favorite Monkee?

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:15:13am

“…This wildlife refuge, along with the Bentsen state park, the National Butterfly Center and hundreds of other tracts of public and private land, are part of a 30-year effort to try and save a vanishing ecosystem, one of the richest and rarest ecosystems in the United States-from utter destruction. The environmental stakes couldn’t be higher here. Two of North America’s major avian flyways funnel through the Rio Grande Valley, as do major migration pathways for monarchs and other butterfly species, and migration pathways for endangered cats. These migrants depend on the spare remnants of habitat that are left to them and that Valley residents, the federal government, and national environmental groups have been trying to save for decades. And now we are preparing to scrape this precious land to the bone and further fragment it with massive border walls.”

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:17:05am

“… On February 14, the Department of Homeland Security began tearing that forest down, mulching trees and everything within them from the top down with a special forest dispatching attachment on an excavator arm. Heavy law enforcement presence, including a dozen police and Border Patrol vehicles along with an ICE helicopter made sure that no-one could witness the destruction. I tried for days to get through. Finally yesterday, I was able to walk a hidden path at dusk and get to the site, where the federal government had finished its work.

The forest was shredded. The birds were quiet. This living forest was a precious piece of the last 4 percent of an endangered native habitat. It was hope for endangered wild species like ocelots, jaguarundis, Texas tortoises and indigo snakes.

Now it’s mulch. And soon it will be mulch and a 30-foot high border wall that will trap animals within this broken land.”

Facebook Post

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:18:32am

re: #406 Ace Rothstein

Now I understand why Flavor Flav said “Mother fuck him and John Wayne” on “Fight the Power” back in the day.

And can I say this. It’s the whitest fucking thing ever to brush off a prominent American 40 years ago saying he believed in white supremacy as just being a “product of his time.” As I said, Wayne was a bigot for his time and our time too. It’s very easy for me to see why that lyric exists. I don’t know the extent that Flavor Flav is knowledgable about John Wayne’s views on race but that snippet tells me alot about John Wayne and nothing good.

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PhillyPretzel  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:18:55am

re: #311 MsJ

I was not a fan of the Monkees but I am very sad to hear that one of them dies especially on my birthday. That makes me very sad.

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:19:30am

re: #408 Old Liberal

Did you have a favorite Monkee?

Michael Nesmith is the only acceptable answer because he was the only legit musician in the group, but even more importantly he was the executive producer on Repo Man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:19:47am

re: #352 DodgerFan1988

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You think?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:22:00am

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The NRA radicalizes a lot of people and Dana is responsible for that when she does her stupid ads treating the media that criticizes Trump is an enemy. She’s also a fucking fraud too.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:22:01am

re: #413 goddamnedfrank

Michael Nesmith is the only acceptable answer because he was the only legit musician in the group, but even more importantly he was the executive producer on Repo Man.

Tork was as well. By the end, though, they could all play their instruments.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:22:05am

re: #408 Old Liberal

Did you have a favorite Monkee?

Davy Jones (with Micky Dolenz close behind).

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:22:50am

re: #406 Ace Rothstein

Now I understand why Flavor Flav said “Mother fuck him and John Wayne” on “Fight the Power” back in the day.

The ‘him’ being Elvis.

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist
That sucker was simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:23:10am

re: #416 Belafon

Tork was as well. By the end, though, they could all play their instruments.

From wikipedia:

Tork was a proficient musician, and though the group was not allowed to play their own instruments on their first two albums, he was an exception, playing what he described as “third chair guitar” on Mike Nesmith’s song, “Papa Gene’s Blues,” from their first album. He subsequently played keyboards, bass guitar, banjo, harpsichord, and other instruments on their recordings. He also co-wrote, along with Joey Richards, the closing theme song of the second season of The Monkees, “For Pete’s Sake”. On the television show, he was relegated to playing the “lovable dummy,” a persona Tork had developed as a folk singer in New York’s Greenwich Village.[12] The DVD release of the first season of the show contained commentary from the various bandmates. In it, Nesmith stated that Tork was better at playing guitar than bass. In Tork’s commentary, he stated that Jones was a good drummer and had the live performance lineups been based solely on playing ability, it should have been Tork on guitar, Nesmith on bass, and Jones on drums, with Dolenz taking the fronting role, rather than as it was done (with Nesmith on guitar, Tork on bass, and Dolenz on drums). Jones filled in briefly for Tork on bass when he played keyboards.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:24:17am

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Damn. Definitely think that could be weather impacted.

People get shaken and confused and stand in exposed areas. Get far away from the road.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:25:24am

re: #418 makeitstop

The ‘him’ being Elvis.

Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist
That sucker was simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne

A lot of black people I think hated how Elvis popularized a lot of what was considered black music and never really gave credit where credit was due as the music became more mainstream. Contrast that with Keith Richards who talks a lot about Robert Johnson in glowing terms. And Clapton too for all Clapton’s stupidity when he espoused anti-immigrant rhetoric back in the day (ot sure if he still holds those views.) I don’t know enough about Elvis one way or the other TBH.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:25:57am

re: #413 goddamnedfrank

Michael Nesmith is the only acceptable answer because he was the only legit musician in the group, but even more importantly he was the executive producer on Repo Man.

And heir to the Whiteout fortune!

Peter was a musician, but more of a folk/bluegrass player. He ended up getting the role over Steven Stills because he had better teeth.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:26:07am

re: #419 Belafon

Actually, I should have quoted this:

He began studying piano at the age of nine, showing an aptitude for music by learning to play several different instruments, including the banjo and both acoustic bass and guitars. Tork attended Windham High School in Willimantic, Connecticut, and was a member of the first graduating class at E.O. Smith High School in Storrs, Connecticut. He attended Carleton College before he moved to New York City, where he became part of the folk music scene in Greenwich Village during the first half of the 1960s. While there, he befriended other up-and-coming musicians such as Stephen Stills.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:26:18am

re: #409 jaunte

re: #410 jaunte

I am just infuriated and in tears….

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:26:35am

re: #413 goddamnedfrank

Michael Nesmith is the only acceptable answer because he was the only legit musician in the group, but even more importantly he was the executive producer on Repo Man.

Dude. I’m a girl. At 11, I like cute boys. I didn’t even know what musician meant. (I’ve been a vocalist since I was eight. Musicians then were simply the people who played piano as my vocal coaches.)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:27:58am

re: #423 Belafon

Actually, I should have quoted this:

Was just talking about my dad last night Stills and Neil Young. Apparently Neil had a hearse that he used to drive. And Stills and some other guys invited Neil to come down to to play with them in LA. They were out driving one day and they saw a hearse with Ontario tags and knew immediately it was Neil. Crazy how much bigger the world was in those days before cell phones.

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:28:01am

re: #204 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But we already have plenty of evidence of the conspiracy, we just don’t know if Mueller has evidence to show Trump himself was involved, no matter how confident we are that he was.

We really don’t know anything for sure even now. Mueller has been very close to the vest with info leaks from day one. Now all of a sudden reports of “nothing to implicate tRump” coming out all over. I think that “info” is coming from someone(s) else other than the Mueller probe, maybe someone that wants people to believe that it is coming from the investigation.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:29:31am

re: #426 HappyWarrior

Was just talking about my dad last night Stills and Neil Young. Apparently Neil had a hearse that he used to drive. And Stills and some other guys invited Neil to come down to to play with them in LA. They were out driving one day and they saw a hearse with Ontario tags and knew immediately it was Neil. Crazy how much bigger the world was in those days before cell phones.

Man, I’ve heard some Neil stories. That dude was a terror when he was, umm, young.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:29:41am

re: #387 dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve

yellow ribbon
mclintock’s not bad
big jake’s ok

TRUE GRIT (But the Coen Brothers reboot with Jeff Bridges is much better)

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Dr. Matt  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:30:50am

Judge orders MAGA TERRORIST Hasson to be held until prosecutors can go through evidence and add terror charges

Christopher Paul Hasson appeared in court Thursday for a hearing about the findings in the raid on his basement apartment in Silver Spring, Maryland.

Hasson was found to have a hit list of Democratic senators and cable news hosts that President Donald Trump has been known to target on Twitter. Among the 15,000 pages of documents the FBI obtained, a letter detailing Hasson’s hate for the world was found.

In the document, Hasson said that he is “dreaming of a way to kill almost every last person on the earth. I think a plague would be most successful but how do I acquire the needed/ Spanish flu, botulism, anthrax not sure yet but will find something. Interesting idea the other day. Start with biological attacks followed by attack on food supply.”

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:31:35am

**face palm**

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:32:12am

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

**face palm**

What’s in the picture?

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:33:03am

re: #408 Old Liberal

Did you have a favorite Monkee?

Nesmith.

Because his mother invented Liquid Paper.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:33:37am

re: #428 makeitstop

Man, I’ve heard some Neil stories. That dude was a terror when he was, umm, young.

Dad was telling me how Neil insisted that he not be filmed when CSNY played at Woodstock. Some kids get a jock father who forces sports on them. My Dad is why all three of my brothers and me love music and my niece is really getting the musical bug too.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:33:39am

re: #417 MsJ

Davy Jones (with Micky Dolenz close behind).

As a teen boy I thought god gave way too much sex appeal to Davy and far too little to me.

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bd (Emergency!)  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:33:55am

re: #432 Belafon

What’s in the picture?

Stars Belafon, it’s full of stars…

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:34:34am

re: #432 Belafon

Saint Bernie of the Blarney

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:34:50am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:34:52am

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

**face palm**

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It would be an accomplishment if Bernie could reduce poverty. Talking like he’s going to eliminaet poverty shows why they shouldn’t be taken seriously. God I hate how cultish they are about Bernie. It’s just as creepy as the Trump and Ron Paul shit.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:35:04am

re: #432 Belafon

It’s a cover of Jacobin magazine with a headline about Bernie ending poverty.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:36:06am

re: #438 Charles Johnson

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Trayvon Martin who as far as we know didn’t commit a crime. Michael Brown who was entitled to due process. God I fucking hate conservatives and their false equivalency bullshit. Martin and Michael Brown especially Treyvon are nothing like this guy and this piece of wingnut shit knows it.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:36:08am

re: #431 Patricia Kayden

Is that real?

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BeachDem  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:36:20am

re: #417 MsJ

Davy Jones (with Micky Dolenz close behind).

I saw Davy Jones on Broadway as the Artful Dodger in “Oliver” (with Georgia Brown and Clive Revill) for my Sweet 16. Damn, I really am old!

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:36:21am

re: #411 HappyWarrior

And can I say this. It’s the whitest fucking thing ever to brush off a prominent American 40 years ago saying he believed in white supremacy as just being a “product of his time.” As I said, Wayne was a bigot for his time and our time too. It’s very easy for me to see why that lyric exists. I don’t know the extent that Flavor Flav is knowledgable about John Wayne’s views on race but that snippet tells me alot about John Wayne and nothing good.

Everyone knew.

Because that interview snippet that started this whole thread… was from a Playboy interview. EVERYBODY read it.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:36:50am

re: #438 Charles Johnson

Trayvon was an innocent kid. He did nothing worthy of being shot to death. President Obama was perfectly right to sympathize with Trayvon’s grieving family as many of us in the Black community did.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:37:54am
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Chrysicat  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:38:01am
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Mike Lamb  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:38:13am

re: #393 jaunte

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Feh, Jussie Smollet proves that the Civil War was about states’ rights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:38:23am
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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:38:41am

Yes, it’s real.

twitter.com

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:38:57am

re: #442 jaunte

Is that real?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:40:06am

re: #442 jaunte

Is that real?

Looks legit to me. Came across a stupid article by them saying “You can have Debs or you can have Louis Brandeis” The Brandeis being Elizabeth Warren and Debs being Bernie. I hate to tell them but Brandeis actually accomplished a lot more than Debs did. God bless Debs for the things he was way ahead of his time on but shitting on Louis Brandeis just shows why they’re out of touch with reality over there or suggesting that Bernie is somehow the workign class hero. He’s the hero of a bunch of privileged white kids who for the time being think Democratic Socialism is our salvation until they get disillusioned and then become rock solid conservatives.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:40:10am

re: #391 goddamnedfrank

We’re using the Ecotech Reeflink and Ecosmart Live to control the Radion lights, Vortech powerheads and Vectra return pump. I looked into the Apex system because the various chemistry probes seemed like they’d be a great way to signal dosing and keep everything in control. However after researching I don’t think they’re nearly accurate or reliable enough, at least not yet.

Understand, good points. I am using Red Sea kits for monitoring important chemistry and I am happy with them and then adjusting the dosing (Jebao programmable). Throwing the whole chemistry thing to electronic control is a tad beyond current tech and probably beyond my comfort zone if I really think about it hard. Also, I’m running a Maxspect Gyre XF230 Controller with with 2x230 pumps in a Red Sea 350.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:40:29am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

I read the first sentence as “Jackson begins by entering the insta pot on the record.” I was confoosed.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:06am

re: #434 HappyWarrior

Dad was telling me how Neil insisted that he not be filmed when CSNY played at Woodstock. Some kids get a jock father who forces sports on them. My Dad is why all three of my brothers and me love music and my niece is really getting the musical bug too.

I’ve got a slow spell at work, so here’s my favorite…

Click to Reveal

As you mentioned about the hearse, Neil has always had a love for gigantic vintage cars (a few years ago he had an old Lincoln converted to electric). At the time he was with Geffen Records, he was driving an old Caddy, and every time he went to Geffen’s offices he’d park sideways across 3 or 4 parking spaces. This infuritaed David Geffen, and one day he decided to get back at Neil.

He pulled in (sideways), and Geffen called all the interns into his office and told them to go out and park their cars around the Caddy so Neil couldn’t get out. Neil’s meeting ended and he went out to the parking lot with Geffen and his secretary watching out the window.

Neil stood there for a second, then got in and started up his Caddy, put it in drive and rammed the car in front of him. Then put it in reverse and rammed the car parked behind him. Cut the wheels, put it in drive and rammed the car next to him. Put it in reverse and rammed a second car next to him.

He repeated this until he had pushed the cars out of his way and then left as if nothing had happened. Neil’s Caddy barely had a scratch, but David Geffen had to replace four of his interns’ cars.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:07am

re: #451 Patricia Kayden

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You say it’s about me and then you write about how Bernie is why poverty will be eliminated. You’re full of shit.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:07am

re: #392 Dr Lizardo

I’m really not a big fan of Westerns.

It’s the ‘horses ass’ genre. Not sure if that is for the various plots or because you see a lot of them…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:42am

heh

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:47am

re: #455 makeitstop

I’ve got a slow spell at work, so here’s my favorite…

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Neil is something isn’t he?

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:41:49am

re: #452 HappyWarrior

“Debs”
Bernie has had years of chances to actually do something before running for president, and his record is very very thin.

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Chrysicat  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:42:39am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:42:57am

re: #458 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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I wouldn’t trust those three morons on anything much less national security but they kiss Trump’s ass and tell him how great he is daily so they get taken more seriously than people who actually know what the fuck they’re talking about. It’ll be a happy day when Fox and Friends stops having influence on the POTUS.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:43:10am

Good tactic saying that Bernie is the vessel into which to pour all your hopes and dreams, though. Very Trumpian.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:44:34am

oh boy…this should be entertaining…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:44:40am

re: #460 jaunte

“Debs”
Bernie has had years of chances to actually do something before running for president, and his record is very very thin.

Seriously. I’d like to know how Vermont has become a better place since Bernie Sanders entered politics there in the 1970’s. You want to tell me that Bernie is a revolutionary and is going to make our country a much better place, you can demonstrate it by pointing to a policy that he’s supported and championed that improved the life of the average Vermonter. I haven’t seen that. I see a guy who has a progressive voting record because frankly it’s easy to do that in Vermont. I don’t see a guy who has genuinely led for change.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:44:44am

re: #463 jaunte

Good tactic saying that Bernie is the vessel into which to pour all your hopes and dreams, though. Very Trumpian.

One of the problems Obama had as president was that everyone poured their hopes and dreams into him, made him who they wanted him to be, and then did nothing to help him.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:45:03am

re: #435 Old Liberal

As a teen boy I thought god gave way too much sex appeal to Davy and far too little to me.

That’s how I felt about Madonna in the 80s.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:45:16am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:45:42am

re: #463 jaunte

Good tactic saying that Bernie is the vessel into which to pour all your hopes and dreams, though. Very Trumpian.

It’s eerie to me how much the two movements are similar and the Berners I know who hate Trump can’t see that and the fewer Trumpers I know can’t see how Trump and Bernie are a lot alike in how they conduct themselves. Bernie if you recall is also very nasty to the media if they call him out on something he doesn’t want to be called out on.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:46:10am

re: #466 Belafon

One of the problems Obama had as president was that everyone poured their hopes and dreams into him, made him who they wanted him to be, and then did nothing to help him.

Which TBF wasn’t Obama’s fault but it is Bernie and Trump’s fault since they encourage people to see them as their only hopes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:47:08am
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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:47:28am

re: #449 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jackson begins by entering the insta post on the record. She asks his lawyer Bruce Rogow if her media contact order should be modified. Rogow says no - they believe Stone should have another opportunity to comply. He offers to put Stone on the stand.

before reading any further, this is the definition of white/rich privilege

second chances to screw up when you did it intentionally the first time

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:47:49am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh boy…this should be entertaining…

“You’re out of order! The judge is out of order! Everybody is out of order!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:48:14am

good fucking grief

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:48:48am

re: #424 retired cynic

I am just infuriated and in tears….

I just wrote a very terse contact message to Ohio Senator Rob Portman, my now favorite whipping boy politician.

That story and images really pisses me off. All for a stupid political stunt.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:48:53am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

That was no error.

You tried to stack the deck and failed spectacularly.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:09am

“Baby I didn’t mean to hit you, I was just stressed out.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:17am

TBH I find Bernie’s brigade being compared to the IWW types laughable. I’m sorry but the IWW types were people who were legitimately working class and were actually exploited. Bernie? They’re an actually more privileged than the average Democratic voter group, much more whiter and educated in fact, etc. I cringe at using the term “champagne socialist” or “limousine liberal” but it’s not a working class led movement. It’s led by a guy who thinks because he grew up working class that he has his pulse on what the working class but Bernie’s not the only Senator to grow up working class and his upbringing is far from the most modest either.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:33am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:44am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:45am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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Bullshit Roger. You knew what you were doing.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:47am
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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:49:48am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

“The stress of my outrageous arrest! End the Witch hunt Hoax!”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:50:20am

re: #479 Charles Johnson

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Glenn’s spent so much time sucking up for authoritarian regimes that he forgets how our legal system works.

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:50:38am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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so he’s admitting it all

lock his ass up
who else gets second chances ?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:50:48am

re: #482 Charles Johnson

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I would love to know what dirt the Russians have on him or if he’s just a pathetic asshole.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:50:57am

re: #477 jaunte

“Baby I didn’t mean to hit you, I was just stressed out.”

“See what you made me do!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:51:30am

jeebus

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Chrysicat  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:52:46am

re: #460 jaunte

“Debs”
Bernie has had years of chances to actually do something before running for president, and his record is very very thin.

The fact that there are people saying “you can have Debs” and he’s supposed to be the preferable alternative just makes me increasingly sure that GM, American Airlines, as well as possibly Ford and United, would be nationlised (well, in GM’s case, re-nationalised) under Bernie’s preferred suggestions to Congress. And because of the way that they talk about banks, it would seem either that fate or forced divestiture by any bank larger than Firstbank of Colorado would also be their intent.

And that’s completely laying aside the point that both he and Gabbard will be just as Russophilic as the current regime.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:52:48am

re: #488 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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You weren’t stressed. You’re scared that your career of being a pathetic shithead finally may land you in jail, Roger, that’s not stress, that’s guilt.

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makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:53:29am

re: #459 HappyWarrior

Neil is something isn’t he?

As we say in New York, he’s a pisser.

I do love the fact that he bought Lionel Trains as an outgrowth of his son Ben’s love for model trains. Just about an entire floor of one of his barns is an enormous model train rig.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:53:40am

Heh, Mark Harris just called for a new election in NC-9 race. I think he said he has had some strokes (???) lately and decided to use that as a reason to make the call.

Also, this may have had a lot to do with him. His own son turned on him in testimony.

Iframe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:54:13am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:54:32am

re: #489 Chrysicat

The fact that there are people saying “you can have Debs” and he’s supposed to be the preferable alternative just makes me increasingly sure that GM, American Airlines, as well as possibly Ford and United, would be nationlised (well, in GM’s case, re-nationalised) under Bernie’s preferred suggestions to Congress. And because of the way that they talk about banks, it would seem either that fate or forced divestiture by any bank larger than Firstbank of Colorado would also be their intent.

And that’s completely laying aside the point that both he and Gabbard will be just as Russophilic as the current regime.

I can’t imagine Bernie making us a leader on international human rights initiatives or climate change because Bernie would probably see it as too distracting from his free college plan. As much as I want college tuition reduced here and it IS a real problem, the US needs to lead the way on issues like that.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:54:54am

re: #491 makeitstop

As we say in New York, he’s a pisser.

I do love the fact that he bought Lionel Trains as an outgrowth of his son Ben’s love for model trains. Just about an entire floor of one of his barns is an enormous model train rig.

Yeah I love model trains too. Just a cool guy.

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:54:58am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:56:22am

re: #496 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Yeah I just put Celtic symbols on people who are the judge of my criminal trail. póg mo thóin, Roger.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:56:24am

re: #457 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It’s the ‘horses ass’ genre. Not sure if that is for the various plots or because you see a lot of them…

Yeah.

The revisionist or deconstructionist Westerns, those I can deal with. Some of them are quite good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:56:34am

re: #496 jaunte

[Embedded content]

surveyor’s mark! just ask Palin.

500
jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:57:28am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Engaging in the “crosshairs or celtic cross” argument ought to be a separate charge.

501
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:57:30am

LOL…Stone is going with “it’s a logo”

502
makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:57:59am

re: #474 Backwoods_Sleuth

“This was an egregious, stupid error for which I apologize to the court.”

Yeah, grovel, you punk.

Big tough guy. Even money he starts crying.

503
jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:58:19am

Why are you posting a photo of the judge AT ALL, Roger?

504
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:58:32am

I do not think the judge is believing any of this bullshit

505
Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:58:57am

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

YOUR HONOR, THOSE TWO SIDE-BY-SIDE LIGHTNING BOLTS, I MEAN, THEY’RE JUST OLD RUNIC SYMBOLS. NO ONE COULD POSSIBLY READ ANY OTHER MEANING INTO THAT, AMIRITE?

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piratedan  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:59:00am

re: #496 jaunte

could be she’s just letting him hang himself. the guy has run a multi-million dollar ratfucking campaign for decades and he’s gonna claim that he’s technically illiterate… sure Rog, if that’s what you want to claim…

507
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 11:59:19am

omg…the “I don’t remember” excuse…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:00:20pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:00:22pm

re: #500 jaunte

Engaging in the “crosshairs or celtic cross” argument ought to be a separate charge.

No shit. The Celtic Cross unfortunately is also used by white supremacists. A big reason why I did not get one tattooed on me. Ended up being for the best since I think it’s a little too cliche.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:01:02pm

re: #480 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can’t read the thread at work, but Abbott should ditch him. There are plenty of corrupt Republicans in this state that aren’t as stupid as Whitley.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:01:28pm

Your Honor, my client Roger Stone is a complete moron who has lucked his way in life by knowing the right assholes and attaching himself to the right assholes, you can’t expect him to know that posting an image of the judge in his criminal case in crosshairs could be seen as a threat. //

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:02:18pm

re: #510 Belafon

I can’t read the thread at work, but Abbott should ditch him. There are plenty of corrupt Republicans in this state that aren’t as stupid as Whitley.

Too bad Abbott can’t ditch himself. I hate how he tweets with hashtag TCOT. He’s obviously not interested in governing the non conservative majority of your state.

513
plansbandc  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:02:47pm

re: #417 MsJ

You and I have the same taste. :D

514
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:03:06pm
515
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:03:08pm

re: #507 Backwoods_Sleuth

omg…the “I don’t remember” excuse…

“I just posted the post, I didn’t draw the picture or even select the picture I don’t even know where the picture came from.”

516
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:04:19pm

re: #496 jaunte

This Infrastructure Week has sure taken a weird turn.

517
ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:04:41pm

re: #467 MsJ

That’s how I felt about Madonna in the 80s.

Why???

Madonna isn’t all that damn attractive in my estimation. Plus there was always something about her personality that detracted from her too.

Now had you said Susanna Hoffs or Vicki Peterson of the Bangles…(or others).

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jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:04:48pm
519
The Ghost of Quesos Past  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:05:04pm

The Jacobin issue’s title and format are a direct reference to Upton Sinclair’s “I, the Governor of California, And How I Ended Poverty.”

It’s a deep cut funny reference unless you’re into democratic socialists of the last century, but it isn’t cult-like.

You know how I said Twitter was bad for you?

This. This is why Twitter is bad for you. This isn’t worth your frustration or your time.

Frankly, 95% of anything being said about Democratic candidates on Twitter is the emotional equivalent of black water sewage. You are not winning anything by entering a swimming contest in the piss and shit slurry. You are not missing out if you decline an invitation to a splash around in it.

520
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:05:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:07:40pm
522
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:08:58pm

jfc, roger…you need a bigger shovel for that hole you’re digging?

523
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:09:23pm

re: #522 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc, roger…you need a bigger shovel for that hole you’re digging?

Mistakes were made…

524
Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:09:26pm

re: #517 ObserverArt

Why???

Madonna isn’t all that damn attractive in my estimation. Plus there was always something about her personality that detracted from her too.

Now had you said Susanna Hoffs or Vicki Peterson of the Bangles…(or others).

I can find you documentaries on the girls who Madonna had an enormous influence on in the 80s, VH1 in particular likes to rerun them.

525
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:09:42pm

re: #521 Backwoods_Sleuth

All the King’s Volunteers

526
Scottish Dragon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:09:49pm
527
ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:10:09pm

re: #499 Backwoods_Sleuth

surveyor’s mark! just ask Palin.

Or a printers registration mark on a paste-up board.

Old Tech!

528
Scottish Dragon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:10:51pm

re: #497 HappyWarrior

Yeah I just put Celtic symbols on people who are the judge of my criminal trail. póg mo thóin, Roger.

Celtic knotwork to represent the endless nature of his upcoming prison sentence…

529
Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:11:54pm

re: #509 HappyWarrior

No shit. The Celtic Cross unfortunately is also used by white supremacists. A big reason why I did not get one tattooed on me. Ended up being for the best since I think it’s a little too cliche.

I don’t know about neo-Nazis back in the US, but here, the Black Sun symbol is used by those with an affinity for the Third Reich.

530
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:12:34pm
531
MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:13:08pm

re: #502 makeitstop

Yeah, grovel, you punk.

Big tough guy. Even money he starts crying.

Crying Nazi Part Two.

532
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:13:29pm
533
Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:13:35pm

re: #517 ObserverArt

Why???

Madonna isn’t all that damn attractive in my estimation. Plus there was always something about her personality that detracted from her too.

Now had you said Susanna Hoffs or Vicki Peterson of the Bangles…(or others).

I prefer the so-called “French Madonna”, Mylene Farmer.

534
jaunte  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:13:44pm

re: #530 Backwoods_Sleuth

One, two, three, … many.

535
ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:14:31pm

re: #524 Belafon

I can find you documentaries on the girls who Madonna had an enormous influence on in the 80s, VH1 in particular likes to rerun them.

What does that have to do with her attractiveness?

And yes, I didn’t think all that much of her musical career. In my opinion she was more a creation of videos on MTV and her supposed risque art.

Hey, it’s a free world. We can all like what we like, right?

536
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:14:46pm

this really is not going well for Roger

537
MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:16:08pm

re: #517 ObserverArt

Why???

Madonna isn’t all that damn attractive in my estimation. Plus there was always something about her personality that detracted from her too.

Now had you said Susanna Hoffs or Vicki Peterson of the Bangles…(or others).

I was talking pure sex appeal. She was flagging them tatas (all nakey-like) all over the place back then.

538
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:16:18pm

re: #536 Backwoods_Sleuth

this really is not going well for Roger

“I apologize if anyone was offended….”

539
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:16:41pm
540
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:17:02pm

oh dear…

541
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:18:17pm
542
HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:18:40pm

Stone’s never learned to shut up.

543
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:18:44pm
544
Dr Lizardo  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:18:49pm

re: #540 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well, I can only hope that Stone’s attorney told him to bring a toothbrush and some toothpaste and some clean underwear, because the way things are going, he might well end up in the slammer by the end of the day.

545
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:19:59pm

pretty sure the judge agrees

546
sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:20:36pm

re: #524 Belafon

I can find you documentaries on the girls who Madonna had an enormous influence on in the 80s, VH1 in particular likes to rerun them.

She unabashedly OWNED her sexuality, at a time when that was far from mainstream.

547
Sir John Barron  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:20:46pm

re: #543 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stone’s lawyer says there should be no change.

“Hey, my client said he was sorry.”

548
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:20:46pm

more on the Epstein event

549
makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:21:33pm
Click to Reveal

As I mentioned earlier, my wife is in Vegas this week. She’s staying at the MGM Grand, and she just messaged me to first say that the hotel had no hot water - and a lter message telling me that the hotel has no water at all. She can’t even use the toilet.

How does that happen in a big-time hotel in Vegas? Wife ain’t happy.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:21:57pm

re: #535 ObserverArt

What does that have to do with her attractiveness?

And yes, I didn’t think all that much of her musical career. In my opinion she was more a creation of videos on MTV and her supposed risque art.

Hey, it’s a free world. We can all like what we like, right?

I agree. She and Michael Jackson were definitely big beneficiaries of music videos, and in particular MTV. The point of my comment is that many girls thought she was someone worth emulating and looking like, and I’m sure a lot of them felt inadequate.

551
Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:22:22pm
552
Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:22:49pm

re: #546 sagehen

She unabashedly OWNED her sexuality, at a time when that was far from mainstream.

+10 for that one.

553
makeitstop  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:23:07pm

re: #548 Backwoods_Sleuth

more on the Epstein event

[Embedded content]

Many, many people have a lot to answer for in that case. Acosta in particular.

554
dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:26:51pm

re: #501 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

LOL…Stone is going with “it’s a logo” the im a complete idiot defense

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:28:11pm

re: #535 ObserverArt

What does that have to do with her attractiveness?

And yes, I didn’t think all that much of her musical career. In my opinion she was more a creation of videos on MTV and her supposed risque art.

Hey, it’s a free world. We can all like what we like, right?

She wrote those videos, took detailed control over her costumes, choreography, photos, etc. It was her own marketing, she was nobody else’s creation.

When Dallas, Dynasty, Gordon Gekko, and the rest of mainstream entertainment was pushing “my money is my power, I can use it to make you want to sleep with me”, Madonna was pushing “you wanting to sleep with me is my power, I can use it to make you give me money.”

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dangerman-call me sandy, not a drink named Steve  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:31:00pm

re: #536 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

this really is not going well for Roger

these people are all finally learning about consequences

557
ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:41:27pm

re: #537 MsJ

I was talking pure sex appeal. She was flagging them tatas (all nakey-like) all over the place back then.

Still not impressed!

I always wanted to play with The Bangles though. : )

558
ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:44:28pm

re: #555 sagehen

She wrote those videos, took detailed control over her costumes, choreography, photos, etc. It was her own marketing, she was nobody else’s creation.

When Dallas, Dynasty, Gordon Gekko, and the rest of mainstream entertainment was pushing “my money is my power, I can use it to make you want to sleep with me”, Madonna was pushing “you wanting to sleep with me is my power, I can use it to make you give me money.”

I understand all of that. But we are getting away from the original comment I made which was I (me!) was never that attracted to her.

I would never argue any of the other points everyone is making.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 12:45:18pm

re: #557 ObserverArt

Still not impressed!

I always wanted to play with The Bangles though. : )

Yeah, but we’re trying to explain why MsJ - and a whole lot of other people - felt that way, not why you didn’t.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:00:02pm

re: #549 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

My dad lives in Vegas so I can give you some insight. They are having an unusual cold snap. There was a couple of inches of SNOW on the ground in front of Dad’s place this morning. I wouldn’t be surprised it the cold temps are messing with water pipes and other infrastructure there.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 1:58:01pm

re: #549 makeitstop

[Embedded content]

the whole pl;ace? That sounds like a rebook elsewhere to me.
And it snowed there. Weird week in Vegas even for Vegas.

562
Eventual Carrion  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:52:03pm

re: #547 Sir John Barron

“Hey, my client said he was sorry.”

Starts at relevant part, but whole bit was pretty funny.

Trippin’ In Court

563
Eventual Carrion  Feb 21, 2019 • 2:54:48pm

re: #553 makeitstop

Many, many people have a lot to answer for in that case. Acosta in particular.

And I am always figuring that there will be a link to Donny “Two Scoops” in there somewhere.


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