The Bob Cesca Podcast: Roger Stone’s Pointy Head

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Today’s program from our podcasting affiliate, The Bob Cesca Show:

Roger Stone’s Pointy Head — NSFW; Jody Hamilton from the Stephanie Miller Show is here; We track the hearing to determine whether Roger Stone’s bail is revoked; Mueller could wrap up within days; This isn’t the end for criminal investigations against Trump; Coast Guard officer plotted to kill prominent liberals; The Manafort sentencing memo; Russia is resuming its social media attack against Democrats; Trump lied about a wall video; Putin threatens American with a nuclear attack; Jody’s Celebrity Sighting Of The Week; and so much more.

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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:37:23pm

The first Israeli lunar lander launch attempt, now streaming live:

Nusantara Satu Mission

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:38:08pm
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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:38:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:39:38pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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They really think he gives two fucks about them. If they weren’t such assholes, I might feel a little bad.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:39:49pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

So much winning, you’ll get tired of winning.

LOL

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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:42:57pm
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plansbandc  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:43:24pm

One day I will learn to post in the right thread, I promise. :D

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:43:58pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

They really think he gives two fucks about them. If they weren’t such assholes, I might feel a little bad.

I do feel bad, because I have friends and family among those that got jebaited by this shyster. It pisses me off, but there’s nothing I can do about it; you can’t talk someone out of a position they weren’t talked into. The Party of Jesus never fails.

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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:44:42pm

T minus one minute… crossing fingers…

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:45:36pm

I wonder if his parents rolled him around on purpose.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:47:10pm

re: #8 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I do feel bad, because I have friends and family among those that got jebaited by this shyster. It pisses me off, but there’s nothing I can do about it; you can’t talk someone out of a position they weren’t talked into. The Party of Jesus never fails.

I don’t want to sound heartless because I do feel bad to the extent that their kids and the elderly are getting screwed but we have tried talking so much to time and they just brush us off as libtards who want to kill babies, burn their bibles, make their kids gay, etc. Some wingnuts were doing the libs took away school prayer crap and I was trying to explain politely that Engle v Vitale wasn’t a Democratic decision, it was a 8-1 SCOTUS decision where 3 of the 4 justices who had been appointed by Republicans ruled that forced prayer was unconstitutional. And that even though I’m no longer religious myself, I understand why people want to pray but that prayer should never be forced in a setting like a school.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:47:21pm

re: #8 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I do feel bad, because I have friends and family among those that got jebaited by this shyster. It pisses me off, but there’s nothing I can do about it; you can’t talk someone out of a position they weren’t talked into. The Party of Jesus never fails.

His true believers will still believe he is the Anointed One, even as he’s hauled out of the White House to prison. It’s a cult. I just don’t get how anyone could elevate Trump to the level of national hero and savior, when he has done nothing — nothing — to deserve either title.

Same goes for Bernie-bots.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:47:24pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

They really think he gives two fucks about them. If they weren’t such assholes, I might feel a little bad.

I think the only appeal is that trump hates and hurts the people they hate and want to hurt.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:48:25pm

re: #13 Old Liberal

I think the only appeal is that trump hates and hurts the people they hate and want to hurt.

That is his only appeal to them. And things get ugly if you support someone like that based on what you hate. I was drawn to Obama and still am 11 years later because we shared similar values on what this country should be and is about.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:48:40pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

Oh, no, I’m so much more angry about the fact that the religious assholes are the ones that keep pushing Trump the Anointed One. How any Christian, in good conscience, can look at him and think he is a good Christian President is beyond me.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:49:21pm

re: #13 Old Liberal

I think the only appeal is that trump hates and hurts the people they hate and want to hurt.

Yeah, that’s a given. He can’t improve their lot, but he can at least make everyone they look down upon suffer even more.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:49:23pm

re: #8 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I do feel bad, because I have friends and family among those that got jebaited by this shyster. It pisses me off, but there’s nothing I can do about it; you can’t talk someone out of a position they weren’t talked into. The Party of Jesus never fails.

My relatives aren’t with him on those issues — some worship businessmen and think we should be ruled by them (yes — I know — Trump doesn’t understand business but these people are brainwashed) while others worship Bibi and follow his endorsements.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:51:11pm

I’m not going to say that I want Trump supporters to suffer but I want them to wake the fuck up already and stop posting stupid memes about how AOC is the next coming of Mao Zedong. I want them to stop acting like people talking that the wealthiest among us pay a more fair share in taxes is NOT the same as exterminating people based off their religion. I want them to realize that immigrants aren’t here to take their jobs. They’re here for the same reasons why their families came. I want them to realize that transgendered people just want to be treated as the gender they feel they are and live like the rest of us. That’s all. And it really frustrates me when I see people, some I consider my friends and family post stupid shit from right wing hacks like Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder, Turning Points USA, etc that are invested in one thing and that’s spoonfeeding bullshit to gullible people.

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gwangung  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:51:31pm

Why am I breaking out in uncontrollable giggles?

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:52:36pm

re: #16 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, that’s a given. He can’t improve their lot, but he can at least make everyone they look down upon suffer even more.

Here’s a fun fact. In twenty years the county I used to live in will have 40% of the population over 60 years old. They need meal programs senior transport medical and nursing home support. Who do these fuckers vote for? Republicans.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:53:03pm

re: #13 Old Liberal

I think the only appeal is that trump hates and hurts the people they hate and want to hurt.

And what they don’t realize is their hatred is a subset of his.

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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:53:11pm

We have liftoff!

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:53:26pm

re: #15 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, no, I’m so much more angry about the fact that the religious assholes are the ones that keep pushing Trump the Anointed One. How any Christian, in good conscience, can look at him and think he is a good Christian President is beyond me.

Yeah I’m not as religious as you are but I do have close family members who are and it just confounds me how anyone can look at Donald fucking Trump and think he’s what Christ would see as a virtuous leader. My grand uncle was a parish priest for a poor and predominately African-American parish in Louisiana and when WWII began, he went overseas to be a chaplain for men serving their country in the war. Trump couldn’t even answer the question when he was asked how much he has sacrificed for his family. Public service isn’t in his dictionary. He’s in this job for only one person and that’s Donald Trump.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:54:15pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:55:04pm

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

My relatives aren’t with him on those issues — some worship businessmen and think we should be ruled by them (yes — I know — Trump doesn’t understand business but these people are brainwashed) while others worship Bibi and follow his endorsements.

I wish more people knew what a shitty person Bibi was too. He’s intelligent. I can’t deny that but he’s a terrible person who I really think has done more than any individual to hurt Israel’s reputation in the world. He’d rather pal with Glenn Beck than show any respect to Barack Obama. That tells me all i need to know about Bibi that he’s a bigoted asshole.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:55:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:57:09pm

re: #20 Old Liberal

Here’s a fun fact. In twenty years the county I used to live in will have 40% of the population over 60 years old. They need meal programs senior transport medical and nursing home support. Who do these fuckers vote for? Republicans.

I’m just so glad my grandparents never fell for that. My grandfather and man I miss him took the chance to tell off Ollie North when Ollie ran for the Senate here and my other grandfather knew what Reagan was early on. My one grandmother voted Democratic from FDR to Gore and would have definitely voted for Kerry too had she not had dementia at the time of the 2004 election. And my surviving grandmother though a church going Catholic now supports same sex marriage.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:57:23pm

re: #23 HappyWarrior

Near the beginning of Trump’s presidency, I saw a lot of family friends posting on FB memes along the lines of, “Actions speak louder than words - look at all the Christlike things Trump has done for other people”. And some of them were even things he actually did. But you can’t tell me that Jesus would go around boasting about grabbing women by the pussy while doing superficial charitable acts. I’m sorry.

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Archangelus  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:57:34pm

And first stage landing is confirmed a success!

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:57:52pm

re: #24 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That should be an aircraft carrier’s flag: Ha, you can’t see me on this large open space.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 5:59:34pm

re: #28 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Near the beginning of Trump’s presidency, I saw a lot of family friends posting on FB memes along the lines of, “Actions speak louder than words - look at all the Christlike things Trump has done for other people”. And some of them were even things he actually did. But you can’t tell me that Jesus would go around boasting about grabbing women by the pussy while doing superficial charitable acts. I’m sorry.

I mean he has done things for people but so has Obama, so has Carter, and Clinton, and I bet your family friends hate them. The problem with Trump is he’s clearly in it for himself. And I’m sorry but your family and friends are being really gullible if they actually buy his piety act. It’s so unbelievably fake. I could almost respect Trump if he admitted that he doesn’t believe in God and that the whole religion thing is just a way to get people to vote for him. Trump doesn’t know theocracy. He wouldn’t know the Prayer of St. Francis from a passage from the Art of the Deal.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:02:25pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:02:42pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

I don’t think they do, to be honest. I think they literally only deify him because he’s a Republican and the GOP is the Party of Jesus. Honestly, I think all of their dissembling and denial of reality is centered around the fact that they don’t want to confront the fact that Trump is not the good Christian man their religious indoctrinators paint him to be.

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ObserverArt  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:05:45pm

re: #26 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I watched. Good stuff.

I wish we could have gotten a better look at the first stage booster landing.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:06:27pm

re: #33 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t think they do, to be honest. I think they literally only deify him because he’s a Republican and the GOP is the Party of Jesus. Honestly, I think all of their dissembling and denial of reality is centered around the fact that they don’t want to confront the fact that Trump is not the good Christian man their religious indoctrinators paint him to be.

Remember that cute story where Satan tells Jesus he will give him all the kingdoms on earth if only Jesus bows down to him? Jesus says “no deal” but his American “followers “ took the deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:07:02pm
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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:07:09pm
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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:07:20pm

re: #33 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t think they do, to be honest. I think they literally only deify him because he’s a Republican and the GOP is the Party of Jesus. Honestly, I think all of their dissembling and denial of reality is centered around the fact that they don’t want to confront the fact that Trump is not the good Christian man their religious indoctrinators paint him to be.

I guess and even though I’m not religious as already said, that just stumps me. My mom’s parents were pretty religious people especially my mom’s mom but a lot of the moral lessons they tried to in part in me really weren’t political. Yeah they were and are partisan Democrats but Grandma and Grandpa didn’t vote Democratic because Jesus wanted it that way, they knew that the New Deal really helped their families out, they knew about their fathers, immigrant coal miners who got a better life once the UMWA was allowed to work without fear of the workers who wanted to join it being harassed, and they knew that it would help make sure their son and daughter (my mom) got college educations that they never would have been able to afford. Sure, things like helping the less well off, empathy, etc are things that overlap. I just don’t get how the GOP was allowed to rebrand itself as the party of Jesus Christ. It’s not. No party is especially not the GOP which is one of the most exclusive parties I’ve ever seen. The GOP that Lincoln founded? Yeah, that was an inclusive party and that was honestly the party that my dad’s paternal grandfather was a part of. That was a party that had the balls to take on slaveowners and say you’re not going to destroy this country because you want to own people. But it was also a party that welcomed people too.

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:09:01pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:09:17pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

It’s kind of weird, actually. I know in an academic sense that the Southern Strategy and racist shenanigans were what caused the political shift, but I can’t quite seem to pinpoint how that parlayed into the religious fundamentalist shift. I know that the Republicans these days are playing on Roe v. Wade, but wasn’t that decision made on a Republican Court?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:12:06pm

re: #40 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kind of weird, actually. I know in an academic sense that the Southern Strategy and racist shenanigans were what caused the political shift, but I can’t quite seem to pinpoint how that parlayed into the religious fundamentalist shift. I know that the Republicans these days are playing on Roe v. Wade, but wasn’t that decision made on a Republican Court?

Not only was the Burger Court that decided Roe predominately Republican, Justice Blackmun who wrote the opinion was a Republican appointee and was considered a conservative of the court. But yeah conservatives want to make it like it was the more liberal Warren Court that decided Roe but it was Nixon’s Burger Court that decided it and there were only two dissenters on it, one was actually a Dem appointee, Justice White and the other was Rehnquist who got his start doing shady shit to prevent black people from voting in Arizona.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:13:01pm

re: #30 Belafon

That should be an aircraft carrier’s flag: Ha, you can’t see me on this large open space.

I believe USS Blue Ridge (LCC 19) will continue to fly the First Navy Jack. As she is the longest commissioned/active Navy ship (minus the USS Constitution). At least that was the tradition prior to 2002

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:15:53pm

From what I have read though, Evangelicals initially saw the abortion thing as a “Catholic thing.” And I come from a Catholic family background. But my understanding is that the Southern Baptist Convention applauded the Roe decision and was more focused on school busing at that time. However, they saw Roe as a way to grow their movement and make some inroads with the Catholics who in the past they had made some very bigoted statements about. Falwell and Robertson both made some very anti-Catholic statements before the religious right as we know it was formed. And I guess after Ford who was pro-choice lost in 1976, people like Reagan saw the writing on the wall and pandered to the RR and it helped him. From what I understand the RR never really trusted the late HW Bush since he had been pro choice as a member of Congress and his father even on the board of Planned Parenthood but they embraced him all the same against Dukakis and later his son who was better at speaking their language than HW Bush who I think was more from the Anglican/Episcopalian school of faith through actions and not words.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:17:01pm

re: #33 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I don’t think they do, to be honest. I think they literally only deify him because he’s a Republican and the GOP is the Party of Jesus. Honestly, I think all of their dissembling and denial of reality is centered around the fact that they don’t want to confront the fact that Trump is not the good Christian man their religious indoctrinators paint him to be.

According to the Bible, God chooses our leaders, unless they’re Democrats.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:17:09pm

re: #40 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kind of weird, actually. I know in an academic sense that the Southern Strategy and racist shenanigans were what caused the political shift, but I can’t quite seem to pinpoint how that parlayed into the religious fundamentalist shift. I know that the Republicans these days are playing on Roe v. Wade, but wasn’t that decision made on a Republican Court?

It’s all orchestrated by the Powell memo. I remember when they were outraged over “Maude” and “All in the Family”. Anita Bryant and Pat Boone and the rally for decency. Shit stirring since forever. But what juiced it was the decline of mainstream churches in favor of “nondenominational” mega churches in the suburbs of th 1980s. The mega churches were almost all Baptist or related but left that out of the name. Kids of Lutherans and Presbyterians etc became baptists without knowing. And the mega churches had organizing power.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:18:50pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

From what I have read though, Evangelicals initially saw the abortion thing as a “Catholic thing.” And I come from a Catholic family background. But my understanding is that the Southern Baptist Convention applauded the Roe decision and was more focused on school busing at that time. However, they saw Roe as a way to grow their movement and make some inroads with the Catholics who in the past they had made some very bigoted statements about. Falwell and Robertson both made some very anti-Catholic statements before the religious right as we know it was formed. And I guess after Ford who was pro-choice lost in 1976, people like Reagan saw the writing on the wall and pandered to the RR and it helped him. From what I understand the RR never really trusted the late HW Bush since he had been pro choice as a member of Congress and his father even on the board of Planned Parenthood but they embraced him all the same against Dukakis and later his son who was better at speaking their language than HW Bush who I think was more from the Anglican/Episcopalian school of faith through actions and not words.

Yes. You can read all about the cultural shift in Slacktivist’s wonderful blog.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:18:52pm

re: #45 Old Liberal

It’s all orchestrated by the Powell memo. I remember when they were outraged over “Maude” and “All in the Family”. Anita Bryant and Pat Boone and the rally for decency. Shit stirring since forever. But what juiced it was the decline of mainstream churches in favor of “nondenominational” mega churches in the suburbs of th 1980s. The mega churches were almost all Baptist or related but left that out of the name. Kids of Lutherans and Presbyterians etc became baptists without knowing. And the mega churches had organizing power.

Can you elaborate, or post some links? I’m interested in the history, as a former religious fundamentalist.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:19:21pm

re: #45 Old Liberal

It’s all orchestrated by the Powell memo. I remember when they were outraged over “Maude” and “All in the Family”. Anita Bryant and Pat Boone and the rally for decency. Shit stirring since forever. But what juiced it was the decline of mainstream churches in favor of “nondenominational” mega churches in the suburbs of th 1980s. The mega churches were almost all Baptist or related but left that out of the name. Kids of Lutherans and Presbyterians etc became baptists without knowing. And the mega churches had organizing power.

Those churches are still getting bigger.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:19:34pm

I am watching Rachel Maddow.

I always know Spiro Agnew was an asshole. Now we see what a full blown anti-Semite that son of a bitch was. He’s scoring 1000 on the Nazimeter, right up there with Billy Graham Cracker…

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:20:20pm

OMG. I had read some of what Manafort did to his wife, but Rude Pundit lays it out in a lot of unpleasant detail here. Gag me.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

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Patricia Kayden  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:20:56pm
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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:21:51pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

and why am I not surprised…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:24:59pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

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Not surprised at all. Everyone at 19th Century Fox worships Ayn Rand.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:28:45pm
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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:29:27pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Can you elaborate, or post some links? I’m interested in the history, as a former religious fundamentalist.

I’m sure you can see statistics online about the steady decline in mainstream membership. Just look around sometime in the suburbs and look for the churches with suburban. Names like “Eagle Creek Fellowship “ or “Westbrook Church”. Virtually all Baptist or related but they don’t broadcast it. I’m sure online there are reports of the growth in mega churches. In an earlier life I attended a nondenominational bible study and when it was relocated from an inner ring suburban Lutheran church to a farther suburban stealth Baptist mega church they literally highjacked it to promote their social philosophy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:30:24pm

re: #55 Old Liberal

Well, like, the Powell memo. What exactly is that?

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teleskiguy  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:31:43pm

re: #56 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, like, the Powell memo. What exactly is that?

The Lewis Powell Memo: A Corporate Blueprint to Dominate Democracy | Greenpeace

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:32:09pm

re: #56 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, like, the Powell memo. What exactly is that?

billmoyers.com

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:35:52pm

re: #57 teleskiguy

re: #58 Old Liberal

Whoa. Like, wow.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:38:52pm

re: #56 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, like, the Powell memo. What exactly is that?

thwink.org

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:38:56pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

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Why am I not surprised? Another great respecter of women at the Fox network.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:41:31pm

They married religion and capitalism. Fascism wrapped in a flag carrying a cross.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:41:47pm

re: #56 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, like, the Powell memo. What exactly is that?

You know the interesting thing is Lewis Powell was fairly moderate as a SCOTUS member. So it’s weird that he had such a big part in this. I had no idea about the Powell Memo myself until I started posting here. I only knew Justice Powell as a famous Virginian and a guy who had been a member of SCOTUS fairly recently before my birth.

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Old Liberal  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:42:08pm

Goodnight all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:42:49pm

re: #62 Old Liberal

They married religion and capitalism. Fascism wrapped in a flag carrying a cross.

Yep and that was what Sinclair Lewis foresaw as far back as the 30’s.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:44:57pm

re: #48 Belafon

Those churches are still getting bigger.

I can’t say about elsewhere but in the Midwest and on the west Coast the Megas have peaked and begun the same decline as the rest of the mainline protestants. The sexual scandals are having an impact. You can only fool people for awhile before the falseness of the church becomes obvious. It’s why I push the idea that the only evangelism that matters is doing.

There remain a large number of people who swallow the fundy Kool-aid out of fear of change but they’d be some form of reactionary anyway, with or without a fundy church pandering to their wallets.

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A Mom Anon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:45:17pm

re: #50 retired cynic

What a piece of shit. What an evil sack of shit. I hope his wife can get the right post trauma help. JFC.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:46:43pm

re: #66 William Lewis

What’s funny is, you say this, right in the midst of my folks’ church having a major scandal resulting in the resignation of their longtime old-school fundamentalist head pastor. Details are still pending, but you never know. The thing is, this one might actually hit the fishfolk closer to home, as their pastor was a childhood friend of theirs - they grew up together - so maybe it might jar their senses a little bit at last.

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Belafon  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:47:41pm

re: #66 William Lewis

I can’t say about elsewhere but in the Midwest and on the west Coast the Megas have peaked and begun the same decline as the rest of the mainline protestants. The sexual scandals are having an impact. You can only fool people for awhile before the falseness of the church becomes obvious. It’s why I push the idea that the only evangelism that matters is doing.

There remain a large number of people who swallow the fundy Kool-aid out of fear of change but they’d be some form of reactionary anyway, with or without a fundy church pandering to their wallets.

Living here in red Texas, I describe them as the places people go to hiddle in fear of what is going on outside.

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Mattand  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:48:02pm

Seriously; is that the actual shape of Stone’s head, or is it photoshopped?

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:49:09pm

re: #70 Mattand

Seriously; is that the actual shape of Stone’s head, or is it photoshopped?

I think he actually has his hair styled to exaggerate it. Goes with his personality.

AND, a new Stonekettle: stonekettle.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:49:15pm

re: #50 retired cynic

OMG. I had read some of what Manafort did to his wife, but Rude Pundit lays it out in a lot of unpleasant detail here. Gag me.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

Do we actually know that those stories are true? The accuracy of leaked memos, unless there is real verification from a reliable source, make me uncomfortable. Sometimes texts are modified by hackers with ulterior motives.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:50:40pm

re: #50 retired cynic

Well, I called it. I didn’t know all the sordid details, but I fucking called it. Holy shit.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:50:46pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

Do we actually know that those stories are true? The accuracy of leaked memos, unless there is real verification from a reliable source, make me uncomfortable. Sometimes texts are modified by hackers with ulterior motives.

I can’t prove anything, but some of these emails were quoted on LGF some time ago, and I have never heard them refuted. And if they are faked, I will certainly apologize!

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Mattand  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:51:39pm

re: #71 retired cynic

I think he actually has his hair styled to exaggerate it. Goes with his personality.

AND, a new Stonekettle: stonekettle.com

Swear to Christ, he looks like a Dick Tracy villain.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:52:17pm

re: #75 Mattand

Swear to Christ, he looks like a Dick Tracy villain.

And I bet he thinks that is just peachy.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:57:58pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

This rule is so reliable I stick with it. Weight of evidence must approach the gravity of charges or gfy.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 6:58:36pm

re: #77 Unshaken Defiance

This rule is so reliable I stick with it. Weight of evidence must approach the gravity of charges or gfy.

As they used to say when I was on International Skeptics, “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:00:23pm

re: #77 Unshaken Defiance

re: #78 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

I guess my link to Rude Pundit’s post is being shot down for not having documentation? OK.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:01:22pm

New Page up btw. We (Californians) Are At Cultural war With The Trump Admin.
I’m down for this fight. littlegreenfootballs.com

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ThomasLite  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:01:43pm

re: #77 Unshaken Defiance

This rule is so reliable I stick with it. Weight of evidence must approach the gravity of charges or gfy.

+1 on that. You can maybe argue that if it were indeed untrue they’d have issued at least some refutation, but I’m not sure I would advise that in his position, TBH. This stuff basically got very little airtime - just some blogs and forums full of folks that were never going to stop suspecting the f*cker has horns and a tail to him, pretty much (don’t get me wrong, not saying I disagree all that much). Any kind of response on his part would almost certainly be rather tempting for more mainstream media to report on.
It’s an interesting variation on the “so senator, when did you stop beating your wife” dilemma. In this case not responding keeps the idea out of the broader public mind, which might be a higher priority even if none of it is true.
Also, accusation seems kind of a little too perfect to me - but then we do live in bizarro world nowadays.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:02:34pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I’m just so glad my grandparents never fell for that. My grandfather and man I miss him took the chance to tell off Ollie North when Ollie ran for the Senate here and my other grandfather knew what Reagan was early on. My one grandmother voted Democratic from FDR to Gore and would have definitely voted for Kerry too had she not had dementia at the time of the 2004 election. And my surviving grandmother though a church going Catholic now supports same sex marriage.

Mom slammed the door in Rick Santorum’s face right after she told him to go fuck himself.

Broke her heart when Frothy used my sister and turned her into a hard core Republican. That broke Mom’s heart.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:03:25pm

re: #79 retired cynic

Not your link, but Rude Pundit. That shit is seductive. Too easy to pull from air and post. To get this right we have to apply the filter across all boundaries. It sucks.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:04:32pm

re: #81 ThomasLite

Thank you.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:06:04pm
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DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:11:19pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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“The sad inevitability is that the people who will end up being hurt the worst by falling for the Trump crime family’s con game are his cult members, the glassy-eyed Fox News zombies.”

They will still blame it all on the Illegals and continue to vote for GOP candidates pandering to their hatred.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:13:45pm

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mom slammed the door in Rick Santorum’s face right after she told him to go fuck himself.

Broke her heart when Frothy used my sister and turned her into a hard core Republican. That broke Mom’s heart.

Go Mom! My Nana had a great line in her journal that even a Republican could see my grandfather was a great man. All the more funny to me since I’m convinced my grandfather was the family rebel who went Democratic. My great grandfather is described as a Republican in a Pittsburgh professional biography journal and my Dad remembers my grand aunt’s second husband as a big OC Reagan Republican. My grandfather I think was a lot more laid back than his siblings. He’s why we love Mel Brooks all these years later.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:16:02pm

re: #86 DodgerFan1988

The Fox people are the main enablers. Harsh consequences are good.

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Unshaken Defiance  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:18:43pm

Current mood.

Iframe

Scared for the Children
Jeff Beck
Billy skipped school again looking like a fool again
What a little waste for a taste of a big boys life
I’m scared for the children
Computer screens and magazines
Manufactured hopes and dreams
Playing in a concrete box cause mother’s got her shows to watch
I’m scared for the children
This is the end of the age of the innocent
One more game before they go
This is the end of the age of the innocent
What will we leave them with
Suppose we’ll never know
Processed greens and man made meat
running out of things to eat
Little boys having way too much fun playing with a big boys gun
I’m scared for the children
And on the day the last bird dies
There won’t be a drop from their big square eyes
An old man with his eyes just like glass
Kisses the last blade of grass
I’m scared for the children
No respect for anyone
Why would they after what we done
What an example we have set, what a planet we have left
Let’s be there for these children
Songwriters: Geoffrey Beck / Rosie Oddie / Filippo Cimatti / Carmen van den Berg

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:20:26pm

re: #40 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

It’s kind of weird, actually. I know in an academic sense that the Southern Strategy and racist shenanigans were what caused the political shift, but I can’t quite seem to pinpoint how that parlayed into the religious fundamentalist shift. I know that the Republicans these days are playing on Roe v. Wade, but wasn’t that decision made on a Republican Court?

The whole reason the Southern Baptist denomination exists at all is because slavery — in the 1830’s the Baptists were becoming abolitionist, so the church schismed so the Southern Baptists could still make religious excuses to keep supporting slavery. Then they invented a whole new way of reading scripture, cherry-picking the verses they thought would lend support, and they printed whole new editions of the Bible that excised any verses that were anti-slavery.

After the 13th/14th/15th amendments were passed and they couldn’t openly support slavery anymore — the SBC found Biblical justification for segregation. Every white church south of the Mason-Dixon line continued to preach that, entire generations lived their entire lives with every single preacher telling them that God was on their side, he didn’t want Black and White to mix.

It wasn’t until 1992 that the SBC finally issued a finding that the scripture didn’t require that after all, “whoops, so sorry, we’ve been reading it wrong.”

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:23:29pm

re: #90 sagehen

The whole reason the Southern Baptist denomination exists at all is because slavery — in the 1830’s the Baptists were becoming abolitionist, so the church schismed so the Southern Baptists could still make religious excuses to keep supporting slavery. Then they invented a whole new way of reading scripture, cherry-picking the verses they thought would lend support, and they printed whole new editions of the Bible that excised any verses that were anti-slavery.

After the 13th/14th/15th amendments were passed and they couldn’t openly support slavery anymore — the SBC found Biblical justification for segregation. Every white church south of the Mason-Dixon line continued to preach that, entire generations lived their entire lives with every single preacher telling them that God was on their side, he didn’t want Black and White to mix.

It wasn’t until 1992 that the SBC finally issued a finding that the scripture didn’t require that after all, “whoops, so sorry, we’ve been reading it wrong.”

1992. Not that long ago and they continue to be the leaders of organized religious homophobia.

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Kilroy was here  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:24:42pm

Not sure if this has been posted.. But here it is..

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sagehen  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:25:00pm

re: #47 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Can you elaborate, or post some links? I’m interested in the history, as a former religious fundamentalist.

patheos.com

The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal

In 1979, McDonald’s introduced the Happy Meal.

Sometime after that, it was decided that the Bible teaches that human life begins at conception.

Ask any American evangelical, today, what the Bible says about abortion and they will insist that this is what it says. (Many don’t actually believe this, but they know it is the only answer that won’t get them in trouble.) They’ll be a little fuzzy on where, exactly, the Bible says this, but they’ll insist that it does.

That’s new. If you had asked American evangelicals that same question the year I was born you would not have gotten the same answer.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:27:43pm

re: #50 retired cynic

OMG. I had read some of what Manafort did to his wife, but Rude Pundit lays it out in a lot of unpleasant detail here. Gag me.

rudepundit.blogspot.com

That’s been known for a long time. I feel for those kids. And his poor wife. I hope he rots in prison.

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MsJ  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:30:09pm

re: #72 Hecuba’s daughter

Do we actually know that those stories are true? The accuracy of leaked memos, unless there is real verification from a reliable source, make me uncomfortable. Sometimes texts are modified by hackers with ulterior motives.

The texts were part of the Muller find. I read them when he was on trial.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:32:26pm

re: #80 Unshaken Defiance

New Page up btw. We (Californians) Are At Cultural war With The Trump Admin.
I’m down for this fight. littlegreenfootballs.com

Locals claim that California body-snatchers have invaded Lubbock. Why these might be worse than, say, Indiana body-snatchers, I do not know; but they do emphasize that this gang is from CALIFORNIA.
Lawsuit: Former Lubbock Medical Examiner’s Office employee exposes ‘California body snatchers’

Former Lubbock County employee, Senee Graves has filed an employment lawsuit against NAAG Pathology Labs, PC, Dr. Evan Matshes and Dr. Sam Andrews of the Lubbock Medical Examiner’s Office. According to her attorneys, Graves was fired after she observed and reported potentially illegal and suspicious activity within the Medical Examiner’s Office - including autopsies performed by an unlicensed physician, and concerns over shipping excessive numbers of body parts to NAAG’s lab in California for research purposes.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:34:25pm

theatlantic.com

Nine months after the Ukrainian revolution, Manafort’s family life also went into crisis. The nature of his home life can be observed in detail because Andrea’s text messages were obtained last year by a “hacktivist collective”—most likely Ukrainians furious with Manafort’s meddling in their country—which posted the purloined material on the dark web. The texts extend over four years (2012-16) and 6 million words. Manafort has previously confirmed that his daughter’s phone was hacked and acknowledged the authenticity of some texts quoted by Politico and The New York Times. Manafort and Andrea both declined to comment on this article. Jessica could not be reached for comment. …

Manafort had nursed his wife after a horseback-riding accident had nearly killed her in 1997. “I always marveled at how patient and devoted he was with her during that time,” an old friend of Manafort’s told me. …

spectator.us

“the issue was he wanted her to WANT to have the group sex and got upset she didn’t”

mavenroundtable.io

Business Insider, Politico, and CNN have reported on these texts as well.

300,000 texts were hacked and stolen from the mobile phone of Andrea Manafort, the former Trump campaign manager’s daughter.

Incredibly, Manafort confirmed to Politico that his daughter’s mobile phone had been hacked. He corroborated some text exchanges while refusing to comment on others.

emma.best : links to the material.

The only thing this proves is that there is a lot of this material out there. And I guess I have decided the whole thing makes me nauseous, and I don’t want to defend it. Or to defend my posting of the link to the Rude Pundit’s blog. So, enough. Gag.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:34:57pm

re: #93 sagehen

patheos.com

The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal

That’s a fantastic article.

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Charles Johnson  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:35:04pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:36:17pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:40:46pm

Rest in Peace, Peter.

The Monkees - Listen To The Band (from 33 1/3 Revolutions Per Monkee)

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:43:32pm

re: #100 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Because Monicagate was pure politics to him. Didn’t like Starr then- thought he was a self righteous asshole and like him even less now.

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William Lewis  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:44:38pm

re: #93 sagehen

patheos.com

The ‘biblical view’ that’s younger than the Happy Meal

Thank you, that’s a excellent article. It helps me tremendously.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:47:04pm

re: #98 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That’s a fantastic article.

Yep. That’s the one I was referring to. From someone who was there.

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Dizzy  Feb 21, 2019 • 7:56:37pm

This is unnerving:

No update or new tweets 20 minutes later…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:01:09pm

re: #105 Dizzy

This is unnerving:

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No update or new tweets 20 minutes later…

Who is this person?

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:01:22pm

I wonder where Christopher Paul Hasson got his idea of killing Democrats from.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:02:07pm

What’s interesting to me is for a long time the Evangelical churchesre: #103 William Lewis

Thank you, that’s a excellent article. It helps me tremendously.

Definitely gonna read it myself. The history of Christianity and politics in this country is a fascinating one no doubt.

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Dizzy  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:03:00pm

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Who is this person?

A fairly high profile twitteratti: medium.com

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:04:50pm

re: #107 DodgerFan1988

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I wonder where Christopher Paul Hasson got his idea of killing Democrats from.

Another right wing coward who hides behind his guns.

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teleskiguy  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:06:43pm

Trump Prepares for Mueller’s Final Report: A Closer Look

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DodgerFan1988  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:10:23pm

re: #109 Dizzy

A fairly high profile twitteratti: medium.com

Someone who gets under the skin of the Right Wing Twitterverse. She generally makes fun of Trump and his cult followers, and obviously get a lot of Tweet hate in return. I’m kind of getting worried about her current status knowing their’s a lot of unhinged wingnuts (with guns) out there.

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retired cynic  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:13:03pm

re: #112 DodgerFan1988

Just watching the dozens of tweets coming in from anxious fans trying to get a response or get the police to do a check on her was making me dizzy. Um. No pun intended! I hope you’ll post if you learn something!

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Dizzy  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:14:22pm

re: #113 retired cynic

Just watching the dozens of tweets coming in from anxious fans trying to get a response or get the police to do a check on her was making me dizzy. Um. No pun intended! I hope you’ll post if you learn something!

Unfortunately I’m not in any loop to know more about this than anyone else.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:14:39pm

re: #109 Dizzy

A fairly high profile twitteratti: medium.com

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Dizzy  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:16:33pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Thanks EC.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:35:22pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

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Glad she’s okay.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:40:14pm
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Chrysicat  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:41:10pm

About our Coastie pal:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 21, 2019 • 8:43:06pm

re: #118 Single-handed sailor

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I’m hoping Cornyn is vulnerable next year.


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