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gocart mozart  Feb 24, 2019 • 9:08:22pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2019 • 9:41:04pm

This is pretty amazing. There’s no sound. This is film a anchor shop probably in England in the early 1900’s the material is wrought Iron. The chain and anchor are being forge welded by hand.

Hand forging chains (1) - Blacksmithing

Good lord we’re a bunch of pussy’s today…..

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2019 • 9:55:24pm

I am pretty disappointed at Green Book winning. Not that I cared much about the oscars to begin with but still, there were far better movies up for the award.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:01:37pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I am pretty disappointed at Green Book winning. Not that I cared much about the oscars to begin with but still, there were far better movies up for the award.

I enjoyed Green Book, but preferred Vice. And look, Birdman won in 2015 — and no one will ever convince me that was close to the best film of that year.

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teleskiguy  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:02:19pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:04:15pm

re: #4 Hecuba’s daughter

I enjoyed Green Book, but preferred Vice. And look, Birdman won in 2015 — and no one will ever convince me that was close to the best film of that year.

Birdman? Don’t think I heard of that. Did that even make it to the west coast?

*Googles Birdman*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:04:23pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

I was happy to see King win. Always thought she was really underrated.

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teleskiguy  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:04:23pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Good lord we’re a bunch of pussy’s today…..

I don’t know, man. I see it as we as a species figuring out how to work smarter, not harder.

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can't think of a decent username  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:05:08pm

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

I am pretty disappointed at Green Book winning. Not that I cared much about the oscars to begin with but still, there were far better movies up for the award.

I’ve been incredibly annoyed with the Oscars for the past year, what with the near constant fuckups and embarrassments. I already felt like they’d outlived their usefulness and should start working toward eventually shutting the entire awards down. But after giving that award to Green Book, I just want the whole fucking Academy burned to the ground.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:20:00pm

It’s nice when Seth doesn’t do a 50 post thread.

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teleskiguy  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:20:49pm
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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:26:24pm

re: #8 teleskiguy

Oh I get it. You get my drift though…. Can you imagine throwing that hammer all day?

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Dave In Austin  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:31:53pm
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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2019 • 10:41:46pm

re: #10 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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It’s nice when Seth doesn’t do a 50 post thread.

Meanwhile, the GOP cheated to win a House seat in NC, got caught, the elections board has plenty of evidence to support such a conclusion, but the guy who was caught red-handed will be allowed to run again in the do-over election that was called. And the NC DNC are now going to have to go through another election, and make the same arguments over again rather than what they should do, which is stand up and tell voters “HOW THE FUCK CAN YOU SERIOUSLY BE CONSIDERING GIVING THIS SEAT TO THOSE CHEATING BASTARDS?!”

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 24, 2019 • 11:18:32pm

Trump blinks again.

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Targetpractice  Feb 24, 2019 • 11:20:44pm

re: #15 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Trump blinks again.

Xi’s playing him like a damned fiddle. Just keep dangling the possibility of a “huge deal” over his head and Donny will keep granting “extensions.”

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 24, 2019 • 11:42:38pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

Xi’s playing him like a damned fiddle. Just keep dangling the possibility of a “huge deal” over his head and Donny will keep granting “extensions.”

Meanwhile he sticks allies with steel, aluminium, and counter-retaliatory tariffs while exempting Russia from those same tariffs. He even exempted China from their cell phone spy chip ban. Just on a preliminary examination of the evidence it would be hard to argue against the theory that, “He is deliberately acting against the interests of the United States of America.”

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 24, 2019 • 11:50:36pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Good lord we’re a bunch of pussy’s today…..

Better were the days when mastery of seas came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures… but from the sweat of a man’s brow and the strength of his back alone. You all know this to be true!

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unproven innocence  Feb 25, 2019 • 12:16:07am

As Black History Month nears its end, PBS News Hour included this on Sunday:

Louis Armstrong archive brings musician’s influence into the modern era

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 25, 2019 • 12:19:46am

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goddamnedfrank  Feb 25, 2019 • 12:23:34am

Also every scientific & studio photographer, cinematographer & random asshole who needed to route cables cheaply without damaging the substrate.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 25, 2019 • 2:57:56am

re: #20 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

In terms of success as a dictator, the ‘shopper got the order right, from least effective to most.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:15:00am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:32:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:39:41am

the rest of the thread is great

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:40:43am

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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the rest of the thread is great

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:49:13am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:50:07am

He’s up, and ranting

And, retweeting himself

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:51:20am

and he has a jealous

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:51:23am

Anyone watching FOX the last few minutes?
I bet this is related

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:52:44am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

3 seconds
Well done

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 3:57:22am
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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:04:42am

re: #32 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Kitty no touchy!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:14:37am

re: #33 Eventual Carrion

Kitty no touchy!

Yeah, like that has ever worked

lol

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:20:11am

Weed killer may be in your wine and beer

A new report by the public-interest advocacy group U.S. PIRG reveals that tests of five wines and 15 beers, including organic ones, found traces of the controversial weed killer glyphosate in 19 out of the 20.

They include brands like Coors Light, Miller Lite, Budweiser, Corona, Heineken, Guinness, Stella Artois and Samuel Adams.

“The levels of glyphosate we found are not necessarily dangerous, but are still concerning given the potential health risks,” U.S. PIRG said.

They go on to list several name brands, but didn’t include my favorite, Milwaukee’s Best Ice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:32:58am

re: #6 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Birdman? Don’t think I heard of that. Did that even make it to the west coast?

*Googles Birdman*

It was a very trendy Indy film, I found it terribly overrated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:34:06am

re: #11 teleskiguy

How did ‘Monty Python’s Life of Brian’ fail to get nominated for any Oscar in 1980?

Culture wars were raging back then: it nearly did not get made because the subject matter was seen as too controversial.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:36:43am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Culture wars were raging back then: it nearly did not get made because the subject matter was seen as too controversial.

And as I recall from reading, it was very controversial upon its release; it was actually banned in some locales in the UK.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:37:33am

re: #21 goddamnedfrank

Ross Lowell, the man who invented gaffer tape has died. Anyone who has ever played live music of any stripe should pause for a minute in homage.

The Finnish word for it translates as “Jesus Tape” - because it works miracles.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:49:09am

Good morning!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2019 • 4:58:01am

Backyard after yesterday and overnight high wind pruning of tree:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:13:10am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was a very trendy Indy film, I found it terribly overrated.

I could not finish it. I rarely abandon a film midway through, unless it is a real turkey. Birdman was well made, in my opinion, but not my cup of tea.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:16:37am

re: #42 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I could not finish it. I rarely abandon a film midway through, unless it is a real turkey. Birdman was well made, in my opinion, but not my cup of tea.

My GF loved it, but I assure you that you did not miss much for giving up early on it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:21:10am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

My GF loved it, but I assure you that you did not miss much for giving up early on it.

Yeah, I figured as much. Life is short. Better to enjoy movies than suffer through them.

I survived Heaven’s Gate — the three and half-hour version. Doesn’t mean I want to try a similar experience.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:23:19am

re: #44 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, I figured as much. Life is short. Better to enjoy movies than suffer through them.

I survived Heaven’s Gate — the three and half-hour version. Doesn’t mean I want to try a similar experience.

I walked out in the middle of The Last Woman with Gerard Depardieu because I found it unbearably tedious, and was very relived when I found out the movie culminates with him castrating himself with an electric carving knife…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:41:07am

re: #44 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, I figured as much. Life is short. Better to enjoy movies than suffer through them.

I survived

— the three and half-hour version. Doesn’t mean I want to try a similar experience.

I remember when the Z Channel was on Los Angeles cable and it showed the original 4 hour cut of Heaven’s Gate…only once…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:42:06am

re: #46 Joe Bacon 🌹

I remember when the Z Channel was on Los Angeles cable and it showed the original 4 hour cut of Heaven’s Gate…only once…

Critic FX Feeney went ga ga over it. To me it sure was a miscast mish mosh.

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Citizen K  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:42:22am

Sigh…I’m reminded why I talk so little about politics in real life anymore. Even for those who aren’t the ardent MAGAheads, I find myself alienated because the others are lefter-than-thou folks. Not necessarily Berners, but I found myself surrounded in a conversation with folks parroting the “Kamala Is a Cop” “Kamala used slave labor” talking points, and I didn’t have enough off hand to outright refute them, and at the point where it was going me chiming in for defense of Harris would have likely just ended up with outright ostracization per fucking usual.

My worries for 2020 continue to spike, because the total shitstorm of trying to delegitimize any Dem not named Bernie Sanders* is working like fucking gangbusters.

*Obvious caveat here.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:44:47am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

and he has a jealous

He’s so predictable.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:46:14am

re: #48 Citizen K

Sigh…I’m reminded why I talk so little about politics in real life anymore. Even for those who aren’t the ardent MAGAheads, I find myself alienated because the others are lefter-than-thou folks. Not necessarily Berners, but I found myself surrounded in a conversation with folks parroting the “Kamala Is a Cop” “Kamala used slave labor” talking points, and I didn’t have enough off hand to outright refute them, and at the point where it was going me chiming in for defense of Harris would have likely just ended up with outright ostracization per fucking usual.

My worries for 2020 continue to spike, because the total shitstorm of trying to delegitimize any Dem not named Bernie Sanders* is working like fucking gangbusters.

*Obvious caveat here.

The Berniebots are in full attack mode but this time they’re going to be steamrolled in Iowa and New Hampshire.

And now key Bernie supporters in 2020 have gong into the Tulsi camp—led by Jimmy Dore.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2019 • 5:59:05am

Trump: The ultimate “those who don’t study history” example.

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Amory Blaine  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:00:39am

re: #12 Dave In Austin

Oh I get it. You get my drift though…. Can you imagine throwing that hammer all day?

Eight dudes peening over that rivet is something.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:00:53am

re: #51 Belafon

Trump: The ultimate “those who don’t study history” example.

They know that and they know that a bit of selective cherrypicking of history will support any point of view they wish to embrace.

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Citizen K  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:05:51am

re: #50 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Berniebots are in full attack mode but this time they’re going to be steamrolled in Iowa and New Hampshire.

And now key Bernie supporters in 2020 have gong into the Tulsi camp—led by Jimmy Dore.

The problem again seems to be that folks are willing to destroy all the other Dems (especially the female candidates, fancy that) on the way there and poison the well wholesale. And that is already taking deep purchase.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:11:56am

re: #48 Citizen K

Sigh…I’m reminded why I talk so little about politics in real life anymore. Even for those who aren’t the ardent MAGAheads, I find myself alienated because the others are lefter-than-thou folks. Not necessarily Berners, but I found myself surrounded in a conversation with folks parroting the “Kamala Is a Cop” “Kamala used slave labor” talking points, and I didn’t have enough off hand to outright refute them, and at the point where it was going me chiming in for defense of Harris would have likely just ended up with outright ostracization per fucking usual.

My worries for 2020 continue to spike, because the total shitstorm of trying to delegitimize any Dem not named Bernie Sanders* is working like fucking gangbusters.

*Obvious caveat here.

I find it useful in those situations to ask what it’s about and have them provide a source.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:15:02am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. We’ve got high wind warnings in effect, and we had some small branches come down, but nothing worrisome (the day is early). Hopefully the power is on when we return.

It’s been quite a few years since I paid any serious attention to the Oscars, but last night was a little different. It was personal. We know the family of one of the guys up for the best adapted screenplay - and he won.

I’m not talking Spike Lee, which would be cool since we’re both from Brooklyn and all, but Charlie Wachtel who worked with Spike to get it done. We know his mom (who was there as his date).

I’m so happy for all of them, and it’s a shame that the movies that deal with racism that win all seem to be of the same genre - tackling racism from the white guy perspective, instead of the actual victims. BlacKkKlansman was relevant then and it’s relevant now. It’ll have lasting power in a way that Green Book wont. That will be one of the great oversights. Even Roma would have been a better option, and no one saw that movie either (mostly because Netflix couldn’t/wouldn’t do a movie theater distribution).

But one could make an argument that the best movie of the year was Spiderman: Into the Spiderverse, and it wasn’t up for best picture. It got to deal with racism, multiculturalism, and issues that are all over society in a way that a traditional live action film can’t, and it handled animation in a way no one has approached it - taking different animation genres and mixing them together seamlessly and coherently.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:19:37am

re: #54 Citizen K

The problem again seems to be that folks are willing to destroy all the other Dems (especially the female candidates, fancy that) on the way there and poison the well wholesale. And that is already taking deep purchase.

I repeat my theory that although there are a number of people who want to see Bernie as President, there is also a sizable (and ultimately influential) group who just want him to be the DNC nominee.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:25:35am

OK, now that the Oscar’s are over, let’s talk about more serious matters. Like the True Detective Season 3 finale, which I must say I found rather satisfying:

Some people on the Internets didn’t like it. Some really did. Like Season 1, it ends on a mostly positive note: after an initial feint leading us to believe she had died in 1995, Julie Purcell is found to be alive. But because of his bouts of memory loss, Wayne “Purple” Hays fails to recognize her when he arrives at her house. I think that’s just as well.

There’s a great moment where Wayne’s deceased wife Amelia appears again in Hays’ thoughts to say

What if there’s another story? What if something went unbroken? All this life, all this loss—what if it was really one long story that just kept going and going until it healed itself? Wouldn’t that be a story worth telling? Wouldn’t that be a story worth hearing?

Yes, yet it would.

While I don’t think the characters of Wayne Hays and Roland West rose to the level of Season 1’s Rust Cole and Marty Hart, they were in some ways easier to watch. And I think compared to Season 1, the story was better, more interesting. Season 1 was about pure evil. Season 3 was more ambiguous, more nuanced. Certainly there was wrong doing. Season 3’s story is more haunting, more personal.

Aspects of Season 3 that bugged me—Wayne’s anger at Amelia, Wayne’s frequent bouts of memory loss—found justification in the finale.

If I have any minor criticisms of the finale it would be that Junius Watts—the one eyed stranger—fesses up to his role in Julie’s disappearance a little too easily. And why did the Hoyts leave him alive (they apparently dispatched Lucy Percell and her weirdo cousin, Dan).

And why exactly did the town die? Early on it suggested the case helped kill the town, but how? Perhaps the town died when Isabella Hoyt died (was she already dead by the time Hoyt took Wayne to the woods?). Hoyt, played by the always menacing Michael Rooker, appeared to be on his way to drinking himself to death. The death of the patriarch and small town big business owner put the company out of business and with that, the town. Maybe.

No matter, it’s just as well the finale didn’t go there. Same with the estrangement between Wayne and his daughter, who returns from LA for a visit. Earlier episodes hint of a volatile substory there, but perhaps wisely, the finale let’s this possible diversion drop down the memory well, too.

And what of the offense West feels Wayne has committed against him but which Wayne can’t remember in 2015? I assumed it had something to do with the woman West had been dating, but that too is left unspecified. Again, just as well.

Season 3 has been dropping clues and red herrings in equal measure throughout, which will make it more interesting to watch again and again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:39:55am

re: #58 Sir John Barron

OK, now that the Oscar’s are over, let’s talk about more serious matters. Like the True Detective Season 3 finale, which I must say I found rather satisfying:

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Not reading your comment. My goal is to binge watch the series this week.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:51:06am

re: #58 Sir John Barron

We watched the first episode on Hulu the other night. It looks great so far. I’m gonna stretch it out by alternating it and Deadwood. Occasional Netflix movie. First time on rewatching Deadwood, it’s been so long we’ve forgotten a lot. We remember the highlights but getting to them seems new and fresh. Older, wiser eyes perhaps.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:52:07am

Trump’s so deep into prep for giving away the farm to Jong Un, that he was ragging on Spike Lee’s acceptance speech in BlacKkKlansman.

Trump’s still silent on the right wing / white supremacist domestic terrorist who had a kill list for prominent Democrats and journalists.

Because that’s how Trump rolls.

Same way that the GOP projects like IMAX claiming Democrats have a racism problem, when the GOP refuses to lift a finger against bigots from King to Scalise to Trump himself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:54:41am

re: #61 lawhawk

Trump’s so deep into prep for giving away the farm to Jong Un, that he was ragging on Spike Lee’s acceptance speech in BlacKkKlansman.

I have never seen a US President so personally concerned with matters of entertainment and popular culture, but then again, he is the first reality TV star elected President.

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danarchy  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:57:05am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never seen a US President so personally concerned with matters of entertainment and popular culture, but then again, he is the first reality TV star elected President.

And hopefully last…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 6:58:06am

re: #63 danarchy

And hopefully last…

We have entered a new Media Reality. I am at least pleased to hear that Oprah Winfrey has not (yet) announced her candidacy…

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:00:48am

re: #64 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have entered a new Media Reality. I am at least pleased to hear that Oprah Winfrey has not (yet) announced her candidacy…

I see nothing that suggests she will. But at least Oprah is self made. That said, I wouldn’t want Oprah in the WH.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:01:36am

re: #58 Sir John Barron

OK, now that the Oscar’s are over, let’s talk about more serious matters. Like the True Detective Season 3 finale, which I must say I found rather satisfying:

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I usually wait a couple days but I’ve really liked the season so far. Ali has done a terrific job at playing Wayne Hays at three ages. Props too to Stephen Dorff.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:02:20am

re: #61 lawhawk

Trump’s so deep into prep for giving away the farm to Jong Un, that he was ragging on Spike Lee’s acceptance speech in BlacKkKlansman.

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Trump’s still silent on the right wing / white supremacist domestic terrorist who had a kill list for prominent Democrats and journalists.

Because that’s how Trump rolls.

Same way that the GOP projects like IMAX claiming Democrats have a racism problem, when the GOP refuses to lift a finger against bigots from King to Scalise to Trump himself.

He does shit like this and then we’re told that no one has worked harder than him. It’s a crock of shit.

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sizzzzlerz  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:03:26am

jeffreyw @ #60

First time on rewatching Deadwood, it’s been so long we’ve forgotten a lot

I’ve only watched it once, several years ago, but it still resonates with me as one of the finest TV shows ever presented. Ian McShane’s performance is as near perfect as one can get. It’s unfortunate that HBO axed it after only 3 seasons. It would of been nice to have wrapped things up instead of simply whacking it.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:04:48am

re: #68 sizzzzlerz

jeffreyw @ #60

I’ve only watched it once, several years ago, but it still resonates with me as one of the finest TV shows ever presented. Ian McShane’s performance is as near perfect as one can get. It’s unfortunate that HBO axed it after only 3 seasons. It would of been nice to have wrapped things up instead of simply whacking it.

Looks like they’re bring it back. They were promoting it last night before True Detective. Not sure if new episodes, but it would be weird to promote it just to show reruns.

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Sir John Barron  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:06:43am

re: #69 Sir John Barron

Looks like they’re bring it back. They were promoting it last night before True Detective. Not sure if new episodes, but it would be weird to promote it just to show reruns.

Ah, looks like a move reboot.

tvline.com

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:10:54am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have never seen a US President so personally concerned with matters of entertainment and popular culture, but then again, he is the first reality TV star elected President.

Reagan the actor was no better and, until the Alzheimer’s took over, was worse since he had more intellegence to twist things against the constitution. Trump just does these things out of spite; Reagan did them out of actual malice towards freedom.

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:11:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:14:30am

re: #71 William Lewis

Reagan the actor was no better and, until the Alzheimer’s took over, was worse since he had more intellegence to twist things against the constitution. Trump just does these things out of spite; Reagan did them out of actual malice towards freedom.

I do not recall Reagan making regular pronouncements about SNL sketches or the like. For that, I still recall Dan Quayle ranting about Murphy Brown.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:14:54am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

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Your daughter is a modern day slaver who has never worked a honest day’s work in her life.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:16:02am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Your daughter is a modern day slaver who has never worked a honest day’s work in her life.

How many of those jobs are in the USA?

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:16:10am

re: #74 HappyWarrior

Your daughter is a modern day slaver who has never worked a honest day’s work in her life.

I’m also pretty sure she doesn’t employ “millions” in her sweatshops.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:16:27am

re: #71 William Lewis

Reagan the actor was no better and, until the Alzheimer’s took over, was worse since he had more intellegence to twist things against the constitution. Trump just does these things out of spite; Reagan did them out of actual malice towards freedom.

Was listening to an interesting podcast about Reagan and how his administration handled the AIDS crisis. A lot of maliciousness excluding C Everett Coop:

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:16:54am

re: #76 The Vicious Babushka

I’m also pretty sure she doesn’t employ “millions” in her sweatshops.

Yeah sounds like Trumpy math to me too.

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jeffreyw  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:17:02am

re: #68 sizzzzlerz

Yeah, canceling it that way sucked.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:17:12am

re: #75 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How many of those jobs are in the USA?

0000001.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:18:52am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Was listening to an interesting podcast about Reagan and how his administration handled the AIDS crisis. A lot of maliciousness excluding C Everett Coop:

That was when the Culture Wars were raging and AIDS was seen as Divine Retribution for gays, which meant that finding a cure would be meddling with God’s Plan.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:20:26am

re: #81 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That was when the Culture Wars were raging and AIDS was seen as Divine Retribution for gays, which meant that finding a cure would be meddling with God’s Plan.

I know this and Reagan was a coward. Coop btw was just as if not more conservative than Reagan but still did the right thing.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:24:56am

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka

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I don’t know if Donny knows it or not, but three-quarters of America does not listen to any of his “facts” anymore because everyone knows it all bullshit.

Even some of his backers know it, but they love the results of the bullshit. They get richer and they get to hate more people.

Everyone else just rolls their eyes and tunes out.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:27:26am

re: #83 ObserverArt

I don’t know if Donny knows it or not, but three-quarters of America does not listen to any of his “facts” anymore because everyone knows it all bullshit.

Even some of his backers know it, but they love the results of the bullshit. They get richer and they get to hate more people.

Everyone else just rolls their eyes and tunes out.

Then why do the news reporters just tell him that they will no longer spread his bullshit until he starts making statements that can be verified?

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:43:43am

Borders are the easiest part of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

There are countless map proposals out there, but the problem isn’t the maps. It’s that one or both sides refuse to make concessions to get to the point of making a lasting deal.

No one knows how to deal with Hamas in Gaza. Fatah controls the West Bank. That’s been the case since 2006. Kushner thinks that maps are the solution?

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:48:03am

re: #54 Citizen K

Some of the most sexist men I’ve ever met were Dems. This doesn’t surprise me at all.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:49:53am

re: #85 lawhawk

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Borders are the easiest part of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

There are countless map proposals out there, but the problem isn’t the maps. It’s that one or both sides refuse to make concessions to get to the point of making a lasting deal.

No one knows how to deal with Hamas in Gaza. Fatah controls the West Bank. That’s been the case since 2006. Kushner thinks that maps are the solution?

He’s way out of his element here.

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retired cynic  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:57:40am

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

Backyard after yesterday and overnight high wind pruning of tree:

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Hah. My yard looks a lot like that. Sans fence.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:57:59am

re: #87 HappyWarrior

Meanwhile, ABC News is claiming that Trump’s going to move to end the Korean War.

That could be good, except we have no idea what Trump’s talking about, what concessions are about to be made, and who gets thrown under the bus.

Because there’s no evidence that North Korea is making any concessions at all. And they wouldn’t give up their nukes, so the devil is in the so-called details.

My guess is that Trump’s floating this and when it comes up short, they’ll bulkshit and deflect attention - all while trying to reset expectations (which were already low).

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Jay C  Feb 25, 2019 • 7:58:10am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Then why do the news reporters just tell him that they will no longer spread his bullshit until he starts making statements that can be verified?

A few problems with that (assuming you meant “don’t” rather than “do”) - first: Trump spreads his own bullshit: the media has (really) no choice but to report on it. And they don’t fact-check or call out the nonsense directly, because they know that if they do, the Trump-worshiping Fox/RWNM media will jump all over them, shrieking “Trump Derangement Syndrome!” or “fake news!” and making the whole issue about “disrespecting the Presidency” or whatever: i.e. ANY means to deflect the discussion away from actual facts or figures: where, of course, Trump is almost invariably wrong.
And pointing that out would be uncivil: and beside, Obama thought there were 57 states, so Both Sides…..

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KerFuFFler  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:03:38am

re: #41 Eventual Carrion

Backyard after yesterday and overnight high wind pruning of tree:

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Yikes, just be glad it wasn’t worse.

Seeing those trees ripped to shreds by the wind is just frightening.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:03:50am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:04:06am

Holy hell. Look at the photo of AOC that Fox is using for this article. Vile racist assholes.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:04:17am

Sigh. Well, the snow has stopped and the wind is down. Temp is still -4 but the snow is up to about 6 - 8” on my front door (glad it opens in and that I brought my shovel in before the storm). I should put my boots on and get to shovelling. Bleah.

I’d rather be on a beach, say in St Thomas, US VI, instead… ;D

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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:04:34am

re: #85 lawhawk

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Borders are the easiest part of the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

There are countless map proposals out there, but the problem isn’t the maps. It’s that one or both sides refuse to make concessions to get to the point of making a lasting deal.

No one knows how to deal with Hamas in Gaza. Fatah controls the West Bank. That’s been the case since 2006. Kushner thinks that maps are the solution?

Jared Kushner has no idea how to negotiate a peace deal, nor does he have any interest in doing so. He is running a scam to benefit himself.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:09:01am

re: #93 Eclectic Cyborg

Holy hell. Look at the photo of AOC that Fox is using for this article. Vile racist assholes.

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I imagine AOC was taken out of context again by people with an agenda bigger than the amount of dough FNC pays out to sexually harassed women.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:09:52am

re: #89 lawhawk

Meanwhile, ABC News is claiming that Trump’s going to move to end the Korean War.

That could be good, except we have no idea what Trump’s talking about, what concessions are about to be made, and who gets thrown under the bus.

Because there’s no evidence that North Korea is making any concessions at all. And they wouldn’t give up their nukes, so the devil is in the so-called details.

My guess is that Trump’s floating this and when it comes up short, they’ll bulkshit and deflect attention - all while trying to reset expectations (which were already low).

He’s just enabling Kim and not getting any concessions made.

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Flying Squirrel Girl  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:19:14am

re: #89 lawhawk

Trump is going to do anything he can to dominate the news cycle and drown out Cohen’s testimony. We’ll hear lots of bluster and blather about ending the Korean war, but then nothing will actually happen, just like his last N. Korea summit.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:20:22am
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Jay C  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:20:38am

re: #89 lawhawk

Meanwhile, ABC News is claiming that Trump’s going to move to end the Korean War.

That could be good, except we have no idea what Trump’s talking about, what concessions are about to be made, and who gets thrown under the bus.

Because there’s no evidence that North Korea is making any concessions at all. And they wouldn’t give up their nukes, so the devil is in the so-called details.

My guess is that Trump’s floating this and when it comes up short, they’ll bulkshit and deflect attention - all while trying to reset expectations (which were already low).

I have an idea what Trump is talking about: he will probably be pushing for a formalized end to the hostilities (technically, I believe, the Korean War has never actually “ended”, there has just been a mutually-observed ceasefire for 65 years or so).
Some sort of fancy formal “treaty” or whatever that will change absolutely nothing in terms of power politics in the reason. Unless a diplomatic agreement between North and South Korea is part of the deal. That MAY be important.

But I’m sure the main point will be to give Donald Trump something to bring home and wave around and indulge in overblown braggadocio about how “he and he alone was able to end the war!!” -unlike the previous eleven Presidents - and bask in the adulation of the RW media who will likely:

1. Hysterically praise Donald Trump as the Greatest Nobel-worthy Peacemaker Of All Time EVER!!!11!!!, and
2. (Way more importantly) Vigorously damn anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly endorse point 1 - by, say, pointing out that any agreement that doesn’t substantively retard North Korean nuclear development is pretty meaningless - as deranged obstructionist partisan hacks unworthy of Trump’s Great America.

Getting a formal “treaty” signed to end the Korean War - in and of itself - seems to me to be nice, if fairly trivial achievement: but then again, in the Trump Administration, trivial victories are better than none.

PS: I had thought that one of the stumbling blocks in forming a formal end to the War was that the governments of both North and South Korea claim to be the only legitimate government of the whole Korean Peninsula: I wonder how they will get around this?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:23:11am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:24:48am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:25:03am

re: #100 Jay C

I have an idea what Trump is talking about: he will probably be pushing for a formalized end to the hostilities (technically, I believe, the Korean War has never actually “ended”, there has just been a mutually-observed ceasefire for 65 years or so).
Some sort of fancy formal “treaty” or whatever that will change absolutely nothing in terms of power politics in the reason. Unless a diplomatic agreement between North and South Korea is part of the deal. That MAY be important.

But I’m sure the main point will be to give Donald Trump something to bring home and wave around and indulge in overblown braggadocio about how “he and he alone was able to end the war!!” -unlike the previous eleven Presidents - and bask in the adulation of the RW media who will likely:

1. Hysterically praise Donald Trump as the Greatest Nobel-worthy Peacemaker Of All Time EVER!!!11!!!, and
2. (Way more importantly) Vigorously damn anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly endorse point 1 - by, say, pointing out that any agreement that doesn’t substantively retard North Korean nuclear development is pretty meaningless - as deranged obstructionist partisan hacks unworthy of Trump’s Great America.

Getting a formal “treaty” signed to end the Korean War - in and of itself - seems to me to be nice, if fairly trivial achievement: but then again, in the Trump Administration, trivial victories are better than none.

PS: I had thought that one of the stumbling blocks in forming a formal end to the War was that the governments of both North and South Korea claim to be the only legitimate government of the whole Korean Peninsula: I wonder how they will get around this?

He may get that treaty but will NK stop kidnapping SK citizens? So much of Trump’s North Korea strategy involves him throwing our ally the South under the bus.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:25:56am

re: #102 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Overpriced crap merch. Typical of these con men.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:28:15am

re: #100 Jay C

I have an idea what Trump is talking about: he will probably be pushing for a formalized end to the hostilities (technically, I believe, the Korean War has never actually “ended”, there has just been a mutually-observed ceasefire for 65 years or so).
Some sort of fancy formal “treaty” or whatever that will change absolutely nothing in terms of power politics in the reason. Unless a diplomatic agreement between North and South Korea is part of the deal. That MAY be important.

But I’m sure the main point will be to give Donald Trump something to bring home and wave around and indulge in overblown braggadocio about how “he and he alone was able to end the war!!” -unlike the previous eleven Presidents - and bask in the adulation of the RW media who will likely:

1. Hysterically praise Donald Trump as the Greatest Nobel-worthy Peacemaker Of All Time EVER!!!11!!!, and
2. (Way more importantly) Vigorously damn anyone who doesn’t wholeheartedly endorse point 1 - by, say, pointing out that any agreement that doesn’t substantively retard North Korean nuclear development is pretty meaningless - as deranged obstructionist partisan hacks unworthy of Trump’s Great America.

Getting a formal “treaty” signed to end the Korean War - in and of itself - seems to me to be nice, if fairly trivial achievement: but then again, in the Trump Administration, trivial victories are better than none.

PS: I had thought that one of the stumbling blocks in forming a formal end to the War was that the governments of both North and South Korea claim to be the only legitimate government of the whole Korean Peninsula: I wonder how they will get around this?

There remains a state of war between North Korea and the UN (of which the US, South Koreans, and our allies are a party to). North Korea continues to believe all of the Korean peninsula should be under its control, while the South continues to assert its independence.

There’s nothing to suggest that the North is going to give up its claim, but if it does, that would be a huge step. It might also mean that the North is looking to use its nukes to reduce its military burden elsewhere - nuclear blackmail is far more effective and extracting concessions, but the problem is what is the North going to give up to make such a concession.

It’s interesting that the report is coming out of South Korea, not the WH, so that means that everyone else is trying to manipulate Trump from the get-go.

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Jay C  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:30:29am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

He may get that treaty but will NK stop kidnapping SK citizens? So much of Trump’s North Korea strategy involves him throwing our ally the South under the bus.

You noticed, that, huh?

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:32:20am

re: #106 Jay C

You noticed, that, huh?

Ha! Joking aside. Seriously so much of his strategy is emboldening autocracies at the expense of democracies. See his EU game.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:35:54am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

He’s just enabling Kim and not getting any concessions made.

Kim will tell Trump he’ll do stuff that he won’t actually do. Trump will then tweet that he (Trump) just ended the Korean War.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:37:04am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Overpriced crap merch. Typical of these con men.

Awful designs too.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:38:31am
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Belafon  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:39:47am

re: #106 Jay C

You noticed, that, huh?

We need to start telling people their Galaxy phones will be in danger.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:40:53am

re: #109 Eclectic Cyborg

Awful designs too.

Also typical.

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William Lewis  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:41:59am

Well, that could have been much worse. Cold but fluffy stuff - doesn’t mean my back is not happy with me but it could have been so much worse considering it started at 33 degrees F. Got the truck warming up so I can go get some groceries before work at 3:30.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:54:47am

Thread

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 8:55:52am

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:02:12am

re: #114 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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We’re totally fucked, aren’t we?

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Amory Blaine  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:06:21am

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

At least the crickets are on our side.

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plansbandc  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:08:58am

Heh!

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:31:42am

re: #100 Jay C

I have an idea what Trump is talking about: he will probably be pushing for a formalized end to the hostilities (technically, I believe, the Korean War has never actually “ended”, there has just been a mutually-observed ceasefire for 65 years or so).
Some sort of fancy formal “treaty” or whatever that will change absolutely nothing in terms of power politics in the reason. Unless a diplomatic agreement between North and South Korea is part of the deal. That MAY be important.

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PS: I had thought that one of the stumbling blocks in forming a formal end to the War was that the governments of both North and South Korea claim to be the only legitimate government of the whole Korean Peninsula: I wonder how they will get around this?

NK will then attack SK to establish themselves as “THE KOREA” and will point to the end of hostilities that tRump agreed to as to why the US should stay out of it since the old conflict is officially ended.Their last meeting already have us not doing joint military maneuvers with SK to prove our backing of them, next step is for us to hang SK out to dry as NK does what they want. All while Putin smiles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:36:10am
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MsJ  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:37:16am

re: #99 lawhawk

An exceptionally good thread. Thank you.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:37:23am

re: #120 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Vladdy the Gent Putin cleaning up loose ends.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:37:44am

re: #10 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

It’s unbelievable that we’re going to have a massive Democratic field for the 2020 primaries, and not one candidate will say outright what I believe a majority of Democratic voters are thinking: the Republican party is no longer a viable discourse partner in our two-party system.

I understand what he’s saying (and agree to a very large extent). However, from an electoral standpoint, you just can’t do that. A lot of Republican voters, even those who might not approve of Trump will see any sort of comments in that vein as an attack on them personally. It will make it nearly impossible to peel away some of those voters because they’ll internalize it as “[candidate] hates Republicans.”

Go after elected Republicans - remind voters of Trump’s many failures; point out McConnell’s utter hypocrisy and cynicism; beat Romney and Rubio and Cruz over the head with the fact that they have sold out every single one of their alleged principles to support the unmitigated disaster that is the Trump Administration.

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:38:27am

In Brexit news, looks like Labour is now coming out in support of a second referendum.

Better late than never, I suppose. Don’t know if they can pull it off, however.

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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:39:08am

re: #119 Eventual Carrion

I wonder how China’s attitude has evolved over the years with their Korean neighbor.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:46:06am

re: #119 Eventual Carrion

NK will then attack SK to establish themselves as “THE KOREA” and will point to the end of hostilities that tRump agreed to as to why the US should stay out of it since the old conflict is officially ended.Their last meeting already have us not doing joint military maneuvers with SK to prove our backing of them, next step is for us to hang SK out to dry as NK does what they want. All while Putin smiles.

Any treaty that officially ends the Korean War must include a recognition that American troops will remain in South Korea so long as South Korea agrees to such an arrangement. It must also recognize the mutual defense treaty between the US and South Korea - meaning an attack on South Korea would be an attack on the US.

Trump is not smart enough to realize that this must be included, and his desire to have any sort of “win” or accomplishment will push him to sign off on anything that looks like a peace treaty. The questions then, is whether Trump would submit the treaty to the Senate for ratification, and if so would the Senate ratify the treaty? Or demand the sort of changes I’ve outlined above.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:47:03am

re: #116 Eclectic Cyborg

We’re totally fucked, aren’t we?

Sure, that’s why the Democrats did so poorly in the midterms.

Oh, wait…

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:47:11am

re: #125 Shropshire Slasher

I wonder how China’s attitude has evolved over the years with their Korean neighbor.

NK is just more cheap labor for their economy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:49:53am

re: #128 Eventual Carrion

NK is just more cheap labor for their economy.

They also want a buffer zone between them and an expanding capitalist economy in SK

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:54:39am

re: #129 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They also want a buffer zone between them and an expanding capitalist economy in SK

War also likely means a flood of refugees at the 880 mile border between China and North Korea

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gocart mozart  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:55:56am
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Shropshire Slasher  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:57:09am
It’s dynamic, open to the outside world and becoming richer fast - while being run by a single-party communist government. Vietnam’s economy is being held up by the United States as an example for North Korea to follow if it gives up its nuclear weapons.

aljazeera.com

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Eventual Carrion  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:57:22am

re: #130 KGxvi

War also likely means a flood of refugees at the 880 mile border between China and North Korea

More desperate people who will work at even cheaper wages just to keep their family alive somewhere other than the war zone.

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2019 • 9:58:39am

re: #133 Eventual Carrion

More desperate people who will work at even cheaper wages just to keep their family alive somewhere other than the war zone.

Perhaps, but I suspect China favors something close to the status quo in order to avoid a humanitarian crisis that would likely have the world’s attention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:01:51am

re: #134 KGxvi

Perhaps, but I suspect China favors something close to the status quo in order to avoid a humanitarian crisis that would likely have the world’s attention.

They would put up a human wall of soldiers and set up internment camps directly on the border. We would see only sanitized clips of “humane conditions”.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:03:16am

re: #132 Shropshire Slasher

Except Vietnam never had nukes, didn’t give them up, and the US normalized relations with the country in 1995. It’s an awful analogy at best.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:04:39am

re: #136 lawhawk

Except Vietnam never had nukes, didn’t give them up, and the US normalized relations with the country in 1995. It’s an awful analogy at best.

And Vietnam is not ruled by the grandson of the dictator we fought against in the 70’s…

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KGxvi  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:05:38am

A bit closer to home, it looks like Cubans voted for the new constitution, fairly overwhelmingly. It solidifies one party rule, but does manage to do a few good things (per wikipedia):

The recognition of private property, and the creation of a freer market;
The restoration of the positions of President and Prime Minister of Cuba as posts separate from President of the Council of State and of Ministers;
The transfer of head of Council of State to the President of the National Assembly
The position of mayor being added to that of president of a municipal assembly
The creation of a requirement for Presidential-appointed Provincial Governors and Deputy Governors to be ratified by local municipal governments
The establishment of provincial councils made up of municipal leaders
The creation of a two consecutive five-year term limit imposed on the president;
Extending the terms of municipal council delegates to five years;
Banning discrimination based on gender, ethnic origin, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability, (formerly included leading to the possible legalization of same-sex marriage);
The restoration of a presumption of innocence in the justice system, last provided for in the 1940 constitution.

I’m probably more optimistic that change, for the good, is coming to Cuba than I have been at any other point in my life, mostly because of stuff like this:

For the first time in over 60 years, neither the late Fidel Castro nor his younger brother Raul are at the helm. More Cubans have traveled outside the island since Castro ended the exit permit in 2013, exposing them to different views and governmental systems. Moreover, Cubans are increasingly connecting to the internet — according to the government, it’s up to 6.4 million out of its 11 million residents.

I’ve got several instagram accounts that I follow on the island, and that gives me real hope.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:16:53am

re: #130 KGxvi

War also likely means a flood of refugees at the 880 mile border between China and North Korea

Oh, I think Trump could help President Jinping build a wall to keep them out.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:18:14am

re: #136 lawhawk

Except Vietnam never had nukes, didn’t give them up, and the US normalized relations with the country in 1995. It’s an awful analogy at best.

Also, Vietnam is not an absolute monarchy with leadership passed from father to son. It may be single party rule, but currently it doesn’t have a President for life — but instead one who is elected for 5 years and can serve only a maximum of 15 years. It does appear that power is more diffuse in Vietnam, and perhaps the leadership is more devoted to improving the lives of their citizens than Kim, whose goal is preserving power for himself and his family no matter the cost to his nation.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:24:00am
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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:25:49am

Australia media watchdog declares cartoon of upset Serena Willaims was not racist.

Yeah, right…

ESPN - Media watchdog rules controversial Serena Williams cartoon ‘non-racist’

SYDNEY — The Australian Press Council has ruled there was no breach of its standards of practice in a cartoon of tennis star Serena Williams which attracted global condemnation after being published by Melbourne’s Herald Sun newspaper last September.

The depiction of Williams by cartoonist Mark Knight showed the 23-time major winner reacting angrily during her loss to Naomi Osaka in the final of the US Open. Williams is depicted with her mouth open wide, hands in fists and jumping above a broken tennis racket and a baby’s pacifier. The umpire was shown telling a blond, slender woman — meant to be Osaka, who has a Japanese mother and a father from Haiti — “Can you just let her win?”

In a ruling published Monday, the Australian Press Council said it “acknowledged that some readers found the cartoon offensive” but said there was sufficient public interest in commenting on the behavior of a player with a globally high profile.

Critics of Knight’s cartoon described it as a clear example of a stereotype facing black women, depicting Williams as an irate, hulking, big-mouthed woman jumping up and down.

The press council said it had received complaints from people who believed the cartoon was racist and sexist.

“Specifically, concern was expressed that the cartoon depicted Ms. Williams with large lips, a broad flat nose, a wild afro-styled ponytail hairstyle different to that worn by Ms. Williams during the match and positioned in an ape-like pose,” the council said in a statement. “The council considered that the cartoon uses exaggeration and absurdity to make its point but accepts the publisher’s claim that it does not depict Ms Williams as an ape, rather showing her as ‘spitting the dummy,’ a non-racist caricature familiar to most Australian readers.”

Spitting the dummy is an Australian term for a tantrum.

The Washington Post criticized the cartoon at the time of its publication as reflective of the “dehumanizing Jim Crow caricatures so common in the 19th and 20th centuries.”

The Herald Sun said the cartoon used “satire, caricature, exaggeration, and humor” to depict an event of public interest.

Knight told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation on Monday he was “very happy” with the council’s ruling.

“I will not be changing the way I draw cartoons because I think I’m a very free and fair cartoonist and I accept issues on their merits and draw them as such,” he said.

The press council said it accepted the newspaper’s contention the cartoon was in response to Williams’ behavior during the match.

The newspaper “said that the cartoon was not intended to depict negatively any race or gender and was drawn in a style that the cartoonist has drawn over several decades and was only intended to be a `sporting cartoon’ for the publication’s local readership,” the press council said in its findings.

…a bit more at link…

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:27:38am

re: #141 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

And Mueller’s investigating everything that’s gone on relating to Trump-Russia up to and including the 100+ contacts between Trumpworld and Russia that includes the infamous June 2016 meeting that Junior and Trump both conspicuously lied about. And they’re still lying about it.

These fuckers are on Fox nonstop to lie and misinform the masses.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:31:11am

How can 30% of the country support this embarassing effin dipshit.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:31:21am

re: #141 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Sure Donny Jr. You keep telling yourself it is all about things in the past.

One simple question for the simpleton. Why was Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Stone, Cohen, Papadopoulos a part of your 2016 campaign? Why have they all been indicted, some already fines and jailed and others heading there if everything happened prior to 2006 which makes no sense as an excuse.

Damn, I want to see him handcuffed and crying.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:32:15am

Who needs glasses if you write your name yooge and don’t read anything?

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Dr Lizardo  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:33:48am

re: #144 jaunte

You know, if there is any bright side to that, it’s this: At least Trump didn’t do that while simultaneously miming buck teeth and saying, “Oooh, ching chang chong ohayoo gozaimasu”.

Which, let’s be honest……wouldn’t really surprise anyone here, would it?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:34:09am

Wait, did he just insult a foreign leaders entire entourage?

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:34:11am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:35:52am

re: #149 jaunte

Note: Not the first time Trump has spoken positively about doing away with the rule of law and dealing with criminals quickly and violently.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:37:50am

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

And criminals defined as the people Trump says are criminals.

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ObserverArt  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:39:19am

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, did he just insult a foreign leaders entire entourage?

He may have just insulted an entire region of the world. Asia.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:41:09am

re: #141 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Nice try Dumbo but no.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:43:12am
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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:46:07am

re: #154 jaunte

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Either way, Trump by refusing to condemn Putin makes this plausible and believable. He’d rather listen to Putin than our experts.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:46:14am

re: #150 Eclectic Cyborg

Note: Not the first time Trump has spoken positively about doing away with the rule of law and dealing with criminals quickly and violently.

The average Republican voter is fine with that — they don’t want the mess of competing political parties; they want one party rule in a white nationalist state with women and people of color knowing their place as second class citizens. They also believe that might makes right and that the wealthy deserve more influence and respect than those who are not rich.

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jaunte  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:54:14am

re: #155 HappyWarrior

It’s still shocking that we have a flattery-led simpleton careening around at the head of the executive branch.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:55:19am

re: #157 jaunte

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 10:57:22am

re: #158 lawhawk

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I’m not surprised.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:02:31am
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The Vicious Babushka  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:02:51am
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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:03:40am

re: #158 lawhawk

Kyle Griffin

@kylegriffin1
* 5h
Trump’s ambassadors are the least qualified among modern presidents.

But they’ve given more money to his election than any group of ambassadors in recent history. axios.com

Dispensing ambassadorships as political favors is a long-standing tradition in both political parties. This is nothing new. What’s really new is a President and a party who are owned by an adversary to our nation and a voting public who are fine with this.

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sagehen  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:03:49am

re: #56 lawhawk

I’m so happy for all of them, and it’s a shame that the movies that deal with racism that win all seem to be of the same genre - tackling racism from the white guy perspective, instead of the actual victims.

There’s an actual name for that, “The White Savior Genre”

Glory — the white commanding officer of the black regiment is the hero
Dangerous Minds — the white teacher of black teenagers is the hero
Amistad — the white lawyer for the enslaved who took over the ship
Mississippi Burning — the white FBI agents who investigated the case
Cry Freedom — the white journalist who tells the world about Stephen Biko

and of course the granddaddy of them all, To Kill a Mockingbird

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:06:33am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

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And then if those employees take public assistance, they botch. Good on AOC for not being just talk.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:07:51am

re: #163 sagehen

I’m so happy for all of them, and it’s a shame that the movies that deal with racism that win all seem to be of the same genre - tackling racism from the white guy perspective, instead of the actual victims.

There’s an actual name for that, “The White Savior Genre”

Glory — the white commanding officer of the black regiment is the hero
Dangerous Minds — the white teacher of black teenagers is the hero
Amistad — the white lawyer for the enslaved who took over the ship
Mississippi Burning — the white FBI agents who investigated the case
Cry Freedom — the white journalist who tells the world about Stephen Biko

and of course the granddaddy of them all, To Kill a Mockingbird

All solid movies imo but a legitimate criticism.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:09:03am

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

Dispensing ambassadorships as political favors is a long-standing tradition in both political parties. This is nothing new. What’s really new is a President and a party who are owned by an adversary to our nation and a voting public who are fine with this.

It’s the percentage that is the issue here.

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Belafon  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:09:20am

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

Imagine paying people what they’re worth rather than what you can get away with.

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lawhawk  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:11:24am

re: #162 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump’s ambassadors are far less qualified than predecessors and far more tied to Trump money ops than any prior admin.

Every admin has some number of ambassadors who got the job because they were close to the president and did fundraising or other political activities.

Trump’s picks are more from that group than from any pool of people who are actually qualified to be ambassador with prior diplomatic experience.

And you can apply this to every other cabinet position or confirmation-necessary position across the government.

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HappyWarrior  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:13:22am

re: #168 lawhawk

Trump’s ambassadors are far less qualified than predecessors and far more tied to Trump money ops than any prior admin.

Every admin has some number of ambassadors who got the job because they were close to the president and did fundraising or other political activities.

Trump’s picks are more from that group than from any pool of people who are actually qualified to be ambassador with prior diplomatic experience.

And you can apply this to every other cabinet position or confirmation-necessary position across the government.

Exactly. Also notable that Obama had the highest percentage of career diplomats too btw. I think it’s a good example of how one administration valued the foreign service and the other doesn’t know the foreign service from his asshole.

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Hecuba's daughter  Feb 25, 2019 • 11:17:58am

re: #168 lawhawk

Trump’s ambassadors are far less qualified than predecessors and far more tied to Trump money ops than any prior admin.

Every admin has some number of ambassadors who got the job because they were close to the president and did fundraising or other political activities.

Trump’s picks are more from that group than from any pool of people who are actually qualified to be ambassador with prior diplomatic experience.

And you can apply this to every other cabinet position or confirmation-necessary position across the government.

The article, though, does show that Trump’s appointments, in terms of familiarity with the host nation, seem somewhat better than Bush 1 or Reagan

Familiarity with region or language


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