Green New Deal Critics Are Missing the Bigger Picture: This Is an Emergency. A Real One.

Here’s some straight talk from David Roberts about the mess we’re in. We’re long past the point where we can afford to ignore climate change, on a path toward unimaginable disaster unless we take real, serious action to mitigate its effects as much as possible.

Earlier this month, Sen. Ed Markey (D-MA) and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) introduced a Green New Deal resolution laying out an ambitious set of goals and principles aimed at transforming and decarbonizing the US economy.

The release prompted a great deal of smart, insightful writing, but also a lot of knee-jerk and predictable cant. Conservatives called it socialist. Moderates called it extreme. Pundits called it unrealistic. Wonks scolded it over this or that omission. Political gossip columnists obsessed over missteps in the rollout.

What ties the latter reactions together, from my perspective, is that they seem oblivious to the historical moment, like thespians acting out an old, familiar play even as the theater goes up in flames around them.

To put it bluntly: This is not normal. We are not in an era of normal politics. There is no precedent for the climate crisis, its dangers or its opportunities. Above all, it calls for courage and fresh thinking.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:50:38am

For s the crap Gorka said about hamburgers. We all could benefit from eating less meat. I don’t obviously want burgers criminalized but encouraging less meat intake isn’t bad.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:52:07am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

CPAC attendees should eat ALL the burgers for a few months. They seem empty.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:52:13am

You can please all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time…

This country is so fucking polarized it’s almost impossible to have rational discussions anymore. And rational discussions are what you need to have to come up with real solutions to complex problems.

We’re never going to get anywhere when one side is all: Dur hur! Screw you, you yogurt sucking socialist bastards!!

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Mike Lamb  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:52:19am

I don’t know how it will happen, but huge swathes of the public need to be disabused of the notion that addressing climate change is something that can happen reasonably comfortably within the current “budget”.

Will the Green New Deal (or some variant thereof) cost money? Yes. Do we have to largely reconfigure our economy that will cause some industries to go away? Yes. Isit going to hurt? Short term, probably. Medium term, possibly. But it has to happen.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:52:54am

re: #2 jaunte

CPAC attendees should eat ALL the burgers for a few months. They seem empty.

Ha

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Mike Lamb  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:52:58am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

For s the crap Gorka said about hamburgers. We all could benefit from eating less meat. I don’t obviously want burgers criminalized but encouraging less meat intake isn’t bad.

Take your arugula salad and dijon vinaigrette and stuff it, commie.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:53:45am

Did they really serve a bunch of burgers at CPAC as a “Fuck you” to AOC?

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:55:26am

Weather does not mean climate.

The weather by you (or even the climate in your neck of the world) is not the same as global climate (or weather globally).

So, when right wing nutters from Trump on down complain about the cold weather in the US during winter, or snowstorms in the winter, they’re baffling with bulkshit, because the global temps continue rising. COx levels continue rising.

And there are consequences to our survival as a species.

The planet will be fine.

People (especially poor people) will be fucked.

And I’m sure some of those right wing nutters will try to claim that this is all the work of the sun or other such blather.

Turns out scientists are disabusing people of that notion too.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:55:29am
it calls for courage and fresh thinking.

That leaves the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives out of the solution. They actively stamp those traits out in themselves.

Not that they were inclined to either in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:56:22am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Did they really serve a bunch of burgers at CPAC as a “Fuck you” to AOC?

Why not? That sounds like something they’d do. I hope they get constipated during the big speeches this weekend.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:57:44am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:57:56am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

Take your arugula salad and dijon vinaigrette and stuff it, commie.

Haha. It’s something isn’t it how they’re threatened by alternative diets. I’m not even a vegetarian but I like having meatless days too. Veganism is a little harder tho since I like cream in my coffee and cheese on my eggs.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 11:59:47am

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Did they really serve a bunch of burgers at CPAC as a “Fuck you” to AOC?

Trump had to do something with all the leftovers after the Clemson NCAA Champ celebration.

He sent them along with Donnie Jr.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:00:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:00:32pm

re: #13 ObserverArt

Trump had to do something with all the leftovers after the Clemson NCAA Champ celebration.

He sent them along with Donnie Jr.

The leftover Hamburders have more character than Don Jr.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:01:06pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:01:22pm

re: #14 jaunte

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That’s correct. SK is being screwed by Trump’s policy.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:01:29pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:02:36pm
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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:03:21pm

re: #16 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

“You weren’t supposed to remember that!”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:06:43pm
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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:07:29pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

They’ve been bad crazy at CPAC for as long as there’s been CPAC.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:08:01pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

re: #8 lawhawk

Weather does not mean climate.

The weather by you (or even the climate in your neck of the world) is not the same as global climate (or weather globally).

So, when right wing nutters from Trump on down complain about the cold weather in the US during winter, or snowstorms in the winter, they’re baffling with bulkshit, because the global temps continue rising. COx levels continue rising.

And there are consequences to our survival as a species.

The planet will be fine.

People (especially poor people) will be fucked.

And I’m sure some of those right wing nutters will try to claim that this is all the work of the sun or other such blather.

Turns out scientists are disabusing people of that notion too.

It is pretty apparent by the wild weather we get now the climate is changing. Take a state like Texas. Very conservative, probably a lot of climate change denial. Yet look at the storms and floods that are routine. Something should click that things are not right…but it doesn’t appear to happen.

This will be a typical American thing. The majority will ignore and excuse it away until it bites them hard in the ass. Then they will scream why didn’t somebody do something and then and only then will they try to fix it all the time never admitting they were in denial the whole time.

Problem is there is a point where there might not be a way to make a change. If the environment becomes too toxic to support human life then it won’t matter what party and how much money you have. Mother nature fucks all if she wants to.

I always use the biblical great flood story for Christian types that are in denial about the climate. What if the huge floods that destroyed everything were caused by a previous round of global warming?

What if God talked to Moses and a whole bunch of people warning of the impending doom. Only Moses, who was called a crank, believed God and he saved his and the animals to start over again.

Yeah I know it is only a story, but maybe it gets some idiots to think in a way they may never think.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:12:12pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:12:33pm

re: #24 ObserverArt

You mean Noah, don’t you?

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:15:02pm

Time to get out of Kentucky.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:17:34pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

That’s correct. SK is being screwed by Trump’s policy.

All our real friends and allies. Every single one.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:17:40pm

re: #27 jaunte

African Americans in Kentucky will have every right to sue that their civil rights are violated.

Why? Because the law will never apply to them. Cops will shoot first, and avoid legal consequences for killing them, even if they have a legal right to carry, or to conceal carry without a permit.

These fuckers think it’s the Wild West.

Even the Wild West had strict rules on guns (think having to turn in guns to the sheriff).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:19:19pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Time to get out of Kentucky.

my senator (Adkins) voted no.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:19:31pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Time to get out of Kentucky.

Wait, what?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:20:18pm
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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:21:59pm

re: #32 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

And yet some people are dumb enough to do it anyway.

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:22:42pm

re: #29 lawhawk

African Americans in Kentucky will have every right to sue that their civil rights are violated.

Why? Because the law will never apply to them. Cops will shoot first, and avoid legal consequences for killing them, even if they have a legal right to carry, or to conceal carry without a permit.

These fuckers think it’s the Wild West.

Even the Wild West had strict rules on guns (think having to turn in guns to the sheriff).

Duh, the purpose of this law is to make it easier for Bubbas to kill black folk. Black folks already have no 2nd Amendment rights - Philando Castile showed that - now it’s just a matter of making sure that every Bubba has a gun on him at all times so that when he pretends he’s threatened he can get away with murder via the stand your ground laws.

Anyone who thinks the courts will do anything about this is fooling themselves.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:23:18pm

My state has allowed concealed carry without a permit for a few years now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:24:09pm

Also, I’m sure South Korea will be just thrilled to get left high and dry by the Trump administration.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:25:01pm

re: #32 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Ignoring, of course, that Cohen has already pleaded guilty to his role in this scheme, and that the SDNY has already named Trump as an unindicted co-conspirator. They don’t get to now dispute the factual findings of the court…

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William Lewis  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:25:20pm

re: #35 Eclectic Cyborg

My state has allowed concealed carry without a permit for a few years now.

They call it “constitutional carry” and it’s a consequence of Scalia’s separation of gun ownership from militia membership. They believe any free person (the “White Male” is left unsaid) should be able to own and carry anything at anytime so they can murder POC’s at will.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:27:12pm

re: #26 Hecuba’s daughter

You mean Noah, don’t you?

Yeah. Brain fart. Again got too many things going on at once.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:28:32pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:29:33pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Duh, the purpose of this law is to make it easier for Bubbas to kill black folk. Black folks already have no 2nd Amendment rights - Philando Castile showed that - now it’s just a matter of making sure that every Bubba has a gun on him at all times so that when he pretends he’s threatened he can get away with murder via the stand your ground laws.

Anyone who thinks the courts will do anything about this is fooling themselves.

To their credit, gun owners staged an armed carry demonstration at the Wal Mart where African American shopper John Crawford was shot and killed by police while purchasing a bb gun.

The incident was so utterly indefensible that conservative whites with assault rifles demonstrated in protest.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:29:47pm

yes, share the details of all this “work” you have done upon which we should judge you…

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:30:54pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Senator is now representing Magenta-Americans.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:31:02pm

re: #32 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

He must think Smollett is innocent too.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:32:32pm
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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:35:20pm

Would you buy this, even through a straw man buyer with a corrupt charity’s money?

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:35:49pm

re: #45 lawhawk

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What? A mustang convertible???

A real man’s man car right there.

I would have guessed he would have a black Mercedes sedan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:36:17pm
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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:37:12pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

What? A mustang convertible???

A real man’s man car right there.

I would have guessed he would have a black Mercedes sedan.

Nothing wrong with a Mustang. The Mrs. wants that as her next car.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:38:38pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:38:57pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:40:18pm

re: #16 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Technically Trump is on tape discussing how to make a payment to David Pecker to reimburse AMI for the catch and kill deal with Karen McDougal.

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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:41:55pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Nothing wrong with a Mustang. The Mrs. wants that as her next car.

It is a favorite car of women.

It is not about it being a Mustang. I’d take a nice Shelby GT 500 version…hardtop.

I’m making a car joke. To many ‘car guys’ a Mustang convertible is not a manly man’s car. This is about Gorka’s bad-ass image.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:42:46pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:46:17pm
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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:50:19pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

I’d learn to drive stick to get the Bullitt version.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:51:23pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

65 and over are 22% likely to favor a mostly socialist system.

Which is hilarious since most everyone over 65 is relying on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security - three programs heavily linked to… socialism.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:53:13pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:53:59pm
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Old Liberal  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:54:45pm

re: #27 jaunte

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Time to get out of Kentucky.

It’s always been the time to get out of Kentucky imo

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:55:06pm

David Roberts
“…For more than a decade, “bipartisan cooperation” has, with very few exceptions, meant inaction on climate change (and much else). And with every passing year, the Republican Party descends further into ethnonationalism and plutocracy. Why are prospects better now?

There is nothing in 21st century American politics to suggest that Republicans will join with Democrats in a dramatic transformation of the economy along more sustainable lines. At this point, it is those who propose bipartisanship as an alternative who bear the burden of proof.”

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plansbandc  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:55:21pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Is it sad that I actually believed that some moron at CPAC actually said that?

The Onion needs to step it up.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:57:41pm

re: #18 jaunte

This kind of news reminds me of the Ol’ Professor….

Tom Lehrer - So Long, Mom (A Song for World War III) - with intro - widescreen

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 12:58:36pm

re: #63 Eric The Fruit Bat

Maybe the only song lyric to contain “contrapuntally.”

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:00:37pm

re: #16 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Mueller is not on crazy pills. Nor are the attorneys at SDNY. Trump is a liar so of course he and his sycophants are going try to lie about this issue.

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sagehen  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:01:30pm

re: #40 jaunte

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If he refuses to pay, can Scotland just seize the property?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:01:44pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

Why are people aged 35-54 omitted from that graphic?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:03:01pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Why are people aged 35-54 omitted from that graphic?

no idea, but that was the point of the responding tweets

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:03:20pm

re: #64 jaunte

The birth-date of Tom Lehrer should be a Federal Holiday.

As Spock said on that one episode on ST:TOS-“On that day, I shall mourn”.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:03:23pm

re: #46 jaunte

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Would you buy this, even through a straw man buyer with a corrupt charity’s money?

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:03:38pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Why are people aged 35-54 omitted from that graphic?

Forgot to pay our dues?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:03:58pm

O_o

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:04:01pm

Gross said in an email that a process server confirmed Hawley had been served shortly after he left the stage at the annual conference, an event where rising Republican stars dating back to Ronald Reagan have laid groundwork for presidential campaigns.

Gross is seeking to depose Hawley about his handling of the Missouri Sunshine Law as the state’s attorney general leading up to his 2018 Senate election. Hawley is seeking to quash the subpoena.

His staff did not immediately respond to Gross’ announcement.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:07:24pm
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sagehen  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:08:34pm

re: #67 Eclectic Cyborg

Why are people aged 35-54 omitted from that graphic?

Because they’re all up for a promotion, and of an age to remember before social media data breaches became a thing.

All of their political opinions are “decline to state”. Just like Queen Elizabeth.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:09:46pm

re: #74 lawhawk

Misinterpreted you say?

“He tells me that he didn’t know about it and I will take him at his word.”

How the fuck does THIS get misinterpreted???

Way to fail at backtracking, you stupid orange dick.

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steve_davis  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:18:14pm

watch as the supreme court puts themselves in a bind by letting Trump’s emergency declaration go forth, and then setting precedent for every single emergency declaration that Democratic presidents declare on guns, on climate change, etc. By the way, I apparently make a damned good cup of chili. Not flaming hot. Just enough spice so you know it’s there. If I reheat it tomorrow, maybe I’ll throw a little unsweetened chocolate in with it, just to see what that does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:24:25pm

re: #77 steve_davis

But if SCOTUS is right leaning, couldn’t they find all sorts of bullshit reasons to strike down an emergency declaration from a Democratic POTUS?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:24:34pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:25:39pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:29:44pm

re: #78 Eclectic Cyborg

But if SCOTUS is right leaning, couldn’t they find all sorts of bullshit reasons to strike down an emergency declaration from a Democratic POTUS?

It is definitely over-optimistic to believe that precedent sets any meaningful constraint on the activities of Republican judges, especially once they get on SCOTUS.

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Teukka  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:30:51pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:32:39pm

re: #80 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson

@Green_Footballs
JFC this guy. Everyone watched him say he believed Kim Jong Un. And here he is the next day claiming he’s being “misinterpeted.” WE ALL SAW IT, DONNIE.

Let’s give him credit: some people here were speculating that Trump would attack the Warmbier family. Instead, he reverted to his standard: “Who me? I never said that!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:35:25pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:36:10pm

re: #81 EPR-radar

It is definitely over-optimistic to believe that precedent sets any meaningful constraint on the activities of Republican judges, especially once they get on SCOTUS.

They will probably define their decision so narrowly to apply only to this one “emergency” declaration — given their precedent in Gore v Bush decision.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:38:28pm

re: #85 Hecuba’s daughter

They will probably define their decision so narrowly to apply only to this one “emergency” declaration — given their precedent in Gore v Bush decision.

I had to explain Gore v. Bush to a teenage nephew of mine not long ago. That was interesting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:40:13pm
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Mike Lamb  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:40:22pm

re: #77 steve_davis

watch as the supreme court puts themselves in a bind by letting Trump’s emergency declaration go forth, and then setting precedent for every single emergency declaration that Democratic presidents declare on guns, on climate change, etc. By the way, I apparently make a damned good cup of chili. Not flaming hot. Just enough spice so you know it’s there. If I reheat it tomorrow, maybe I’ll throw a little unsweetened chocolate in with it, just to see what that does.

I think you are mistaken if you believe that Alito, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Roberts, and Thomas would feel constrained to declare a Democratic President’s national emergency declaration unconstitutional after having blessed Trump’s.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:41:15pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:41:27pm

re: #86 Eclectic Cyborg

I had to explain Gore v. Bush to a teenage nephew of mine not long ago. That was interesting.

My explanation for that farce would start with “Motherfucking O’Connor wanted a Republican president so she could retire” and go downhill from there.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:46:45pm

re: #83 Hecuba’s daughter

Let’s give him credit: some people here were speculating that Trump would attack the Warmbier family. Instead, he reverted to his standard: “Who me? I never said that!”

Well he did deny it which I thought was another possibility and then claiming he loved Otto.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:51:46pm

re: #90 EPR-radar

My explanation for that farce would start with “Motherfucking O’Connor wanted a Republican president so she could retire” and go downhill from there.

If O’Connor had waited. She may have gotten her wish. Gore in 2004 would imo be a questionable reelection since it would have been a fourth consecutive term for the Dems in the WH.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:52:48pm

re: #90 EPR-radar

My explanation for that farce would start with “Motherfucking O’Connor wanted a Republican president so she could retire” and go downhill from there.

LOL. Well, I wasn’t quite that forceful, but I did go to great lengths to explain some of backrooming and bullshit that went on before the final decision.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:55:40pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

If O’Connor had waited. She may have gotten her wish. Gore in 2004 would imo be a questionable reelection since it would have been a fourth consecutive term for the Dems in the WH.

But with Bush in there since 2000, she had the option to retire earlier. In fact, she was stupid enough to be caught on record expressing this exact point when moaning about an early call of the election for Gore.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:57:21pm

re: #94 EPR-radar

But with Bush in there since 2000, she had the option to retire earlier. In fact, she was stupid enough to be caught on record expressing this exact point when moaning about an early call of the election for Gore.

Right. And honestly that she did should have been focused on more. It really speaks to her lack of impartiality in the outcome of the court decision.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:57:39pm

re: #47 ObserverArt

What? A mustang convertible???

A real man’s man car right there.

I would have guessed he would have a black Mercedes sedan.

I remember reading somewhere that it’s only got a 6 in it. Might have been that time he parked his car on the sidewalk.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2019 • 1:59:57pm

re: #53 ObserverArt

It is a favorite car of women.

It is not about it being a Mustang. I’d take a nice Shelby GT 500 version…hardtop.

I’m making a car joke. To many ‘car guys’ a Mustang convertible is not a manly man’s car. This is about Gorka’s bad-ass image.

My wife’s got a 2005 - the first year they went back to the update of the ‘old-style’ Mustangs.

She loves that car. I keep telling her to get a new one, but she refuses. She thinks the new one looks like a Toyota.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:00:37pm

re: #61 jaunte

David Roberts
“…For more than a decade, “bipartisan cooperation” has, with very few exceptions, meant inaction on climate change (and much else). And with every passing year, the Republican Party descends further into ethnonationalism and plutocracy. Why are prospects better now?

There is nothing in 21st century American politics to suggest that Republicans will join with Democrats in a dramatic transformation of the economy along more sustainable lines. At this point, it is those who propose bipartisanship as an alternative who bear the burden of proof.”

I don’t disagree, but, in a Senate that will continue to be controlled by smaller states, I would like an explanation of how to get any kind of bills passed.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:00:39pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

If O’Connor had waited. She may have gotten her wish. Gore in 2004 would imo be a questionable reelection since it would have been a fourth consecutive term for the Dems in the WH.

Except I believe her husband was ill and she wanted to spend time with him. From her point of view, she could not wait four more years.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:02:15pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

Except I believe her husband was ill and she wanted to spend time with him. From her point of view, she could not wait four more years.

I don’t mean to excuse her decision to rule as she did but only explain her motivation.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:03:37pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

Except I believe her husband was ill and she wanted to spend time with him. From her point of view, she could not wait four more years.

Well then tbh it wasn’t that pressing a need for her if the President had to be GOP. I’m not saying she didn’t love her husband but she definitely was considering politics too.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:04:00pm

re: #98 Belafon

I don’t disagree, but, in a Senate that will continue to be controlled by smaller states, I would like an explanation of how to get any kind of bills passed.

Not all smaller states are Republican — some are Democratic. Just like Texas and Florida are large states that vote Republican (though maybe Florida may change given the referendum that restored voting rights to convicted felons).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:04:15pm

re: #100 Hecuba’s daughter

I don’t mean to excuse her decision to rule as she did but only explain her motivation.

No, I get you. I just think her personal partisanship influenced her decision more than her husband here.

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:04:51pm

re: #99 Hecuba’s daughter

Except I believe her husband was ill and she wanted to spend time with him. From her point of view, she could not wait four more years.

But she did. She retired in W’s second term. She just wanted the option to retire earlier at any time, perhaps in case her husband’s condition got worse.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:10:25pm

all this talk of ‘socialism’ goes back an awful long way.

Harry Truman (w/r/t his campaign with Taft):

the way they sling ‘socialism” as a catch all these days, you can rewrite the last paragraph as “down with whatever the democrats propose”

the line that nails is “socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people”

liberty and justice for all means for all or it means nothing

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:12:01pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:12:18pm

re: #105 Man, DangerMan

all this talk of ‘socialism’ goes back an awful long way.

Harry Truman (w/r/t his campaign with Taft):

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the way they sling ‘socialism” as a catch all these days, you can rewrite the last paragraph as “down with whatever the democrats propose”

the line that nails is “socialism is their name for almost anything that helps all the people”

liberty and justice for all means for all or it means nothing

I’m short, progress is socialism to them. It’s easy for me to see why Taft a product of a family that made its wealth prior to his birth was threatened by the New Deal and Fair Deal which helped more families enter the Middle Class.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:16:54pm

re: #105 Man, DangerMan

all this talk of ‘socialism’ goes back an awful long way.

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I’m short, progress is socialism to me. It’s for me to see why Taft a product of a family that made its wealth was threatened by the New Deal and Fair Deal which helped more families enter the Middle Class.

Some Democratic candidates have to hijack that language and repeat on the campaign trail on a daily basis. Use the Reagan meme of “There you go again” to attack Republicans and shift the dialogue, with a special emphasis on how Republicans use their power to harm the poor, the working class and the middle class to the benefit of the wealthy

ED: for clarification

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:22:52pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

I’m short, progress is socialism to them. It’s easy for me to see why Taft a product of a family that made its wealth was threatened by the New Deal and Fair Deal which helped more families enter the Middle Class.

yes. it also mostly means (to them) why be part of a system that ‘buys’ things for other people that i dont want or need

or another way, why i gotta spend my money for things im never gonna use

they won’t look hard enough to see or admit that everyone does better when, in fact, everyone is doing better

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:23:06pm

I wonder how well this third red scare will go considering the first two and the efforts (unsuccessful) to label Obama a Communist and Socialist.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:25:00pm

re: #109 Man, DangerMan

yes. it also mostly means (to them) why be part of a system that ‘buys’ things for other people that i dont want or need

or another way, why i gotta spend my money for things im never gonna use

they won’t look hard enough to see or admit that everyone does better when, in fact, everyone is doing better

In short why should I support increased wage floors if I don’t make that wage. And yes everyone does better when everyone is doing better and has that opportunity. Contrast funnily enough the 1950’s with the previous generation.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:26:58pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:27:46pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

Nice. ‘request’ should be ‘demand’, but it’s a start.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:28:04pm

re: #112 Patricia Kayden

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This is why voting matters. The House majority is so important.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:32:46pm

I guarantee you those returns all going to show all kinds of shenanigans.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:34:22pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

I guarantee you those returns all going to show all kinds of shenanigans.

He was eager to prevent their release. There’s definitely something there he doesn’t want known.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:35:08pm

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

I guarantee you those returns all going to show all kinds of shenanigans.

There’s going to be a LOT of court time on this issue, and, I predict, some contempt citations when court orders are ignored.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:40:54pm

re: #113 EPR-radar

Nice. ‘request’ should be ‘demand’, but it’s a start.

I “ask” my kids to do things all the time.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:42:40pm

re: #118 Belafon

I “ask” my kids to do things all the time.

I’m very interested to see how Neal runs Ways and Means. Cummings does a great job with Oversight and Government Reform.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:45:02pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:45:58pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

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Yep.

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:52:48pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

I wonder how well this third red scare will go considering the first two and the efforts (unsuccessful) to label Obama a Communist and Socialist.

The median age of Americans is 38 years old, give or take a few months. The Soviet Union collapsed at the end of 1991. That means there is probably close to half of the American people that have no living memory of any sort of existential communist threat. And it probably goes over 50% when you factor in people in their early to mid-40s (like me) that only have the vaguest of memories of the communist threat of the 1980s.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:52:55pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:54:02pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

I agree with Lee 1000%. He is absolutely right.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:55:13pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:55:17pm

re: #122 KGxvi

The median age of Americans is 38 years old, give or take a few months. The Soviet Union collapsed at the end of 1991. That means there is probably close to half of the American people that have no living memory of any sort of existential communist threat. And it probably goes over 50% when you factor in people in their early to mid-40s (like me) that only have the vaguest of memories of the communist threat of the 1980s.

Right. Could go either way. I think a healthy amount of skepticism towards government power is good but I think those too skeptical of government are often too accepting of corporate abuse of power too.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:56:29pm

re: #124 PhillyPretzel

I agree with Lee 1000%. He is absolutely right.

Seems so simple. Takes so much work.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:57:39pm

re: #123 Patricia Kayden

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There’s a reason why McCain was praised by members of both parties when he died just as Malkin is if they know her at all a joke to anyone not at CPAC. And as Charles said, not interested in hearing how CPAC is “crazy this year.” It’s always been like this.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:58:10pm

re: #127 wrenchwench

Sometimes the simplest thing is the most difficult to do.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:59:03pm

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2019 • 2:59:10pm

re: #126 HappyWarrior

Right. Could go either way. I think a healthy amount of skepticism towards government power is good but I think those too skeptical of government are often too accepting of corporate abuse of power too.

I am skeptical of any concentration of power. I also think it’s best for most when those with great power are set against each other. In a way, that is sort of the genius of our system of government, diffuse power set against each other thus the need to build consensus in order to get big things done. Of course, it only works if the parties involved are willing to work towards a consensus.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:00:51pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

especially a President that doesn’t qualify for a security clearance his ownself

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KGxvi  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:00:59pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

He probably shouldn’t, but in our system, all executive power comes, effectively, from the president. (Which by the way, is also the underlying theory of why a sitting president can’t be indicted)

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gwangung  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:02:18pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

I have to agree with this:

We just don’t have a wise man at the top.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:02:37pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

No but you’d expect the person elected President not to be a brazen practioner of nepotism either.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:03:08pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

Nope — you are not the only one. Does this mean that Trump could grant the highest level of security clearance to the senior Russian FSB agent stationed in the Russian embassy in Washington and allow them access to all our top secret information?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:04:56pm

re: #60 Old Liberal

It’s always been the time to get out of Kentucky imo

Kentucky is a great place to get ready to get out of Kentucky. Could never have left if I hadn’t spent a decade getting ready.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:07:39pm

re: #137 Decatur Deb

Kentucky is a great place to get ready to get out of Kentucky.

More room left for me…

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danarchy  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:08:04pm

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

Nope — you are not the only one. Does this mean that Trump could grant the highest level of security clearance to the senior Russian FSB agent stationed in the Russian embassy in Washington and allow them access to all our top secret information?

I don’t think a non-citizen can get a security clearance. However the president can choose to share classified information with anyone he wants as he has the final say on pretty much any classification.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:13:30pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:14:08pm

re: #129 PhillyPretzel

Sometimes the simplest thing is the most difficult to do.

Giving up power over women? Very difficult for some men.

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:16:44pm

re: #141 ObserverArt

Giving up power over women [and children, and other men]? Very difficult for some men everybody.

Messed with it for you.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:17:10pm

re: #139 danarchy

I don’t think a non-citizen can get a security clearance. However the president can choose to share classified information with anyone he wants as he has the final say on pretty much any classification.

With a trustworthy President, this is a very different question. I would not have wanted that authority taken away from Obama. Or Beto if we get so lucky.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:17:36pm

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

I guarantee you it was Saudi money that bailed out Kushners bullshit building in Manhattan.

Now they’ve got his balls in a vise as a result.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:18:01pm

re: #138 Backwoods_Sleuth

More room left for me…

Eastern Kentucky must have been very beautiful before people got there, maybe for a few thousand years after.

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stpaulbear  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:20:48pm

re: #57 lawhawk

65 and over are 22% likely to favor a mostly socialist system.

Which is hilarious since most everyone over 65 is relying on Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security - three programs heavily linked to… socialism.

Yay! I’m all for it! Today was the day I became eligible to apply for Medicare. I retire at the end of the year and I thank everyone for allowing me to (moderately) sponge off the government until I croak.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:22:43pm

re: #146 Unshaken Defiance

Ummmmm,
Scientists were excited to spot a huge spider eating an opossum, but you might have nightmares

Ya think?!?

You deserve a downding for posting this!! A monstrous possibility that never entered my mind before your post.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:24:54pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Eastern Kentucky must have been very beautiful before people got there, maybe for a few thousand years after.

and then they found the coal

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wrenchwench  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:26:57pm

re: #148 Hecuba’s daughter

You deserve a downding for posting this!! A monstrous possibility that never entered my mind before your post.

It’s a tiny possum. And the spider looks warm and fuzzy. And he didn’t post the video. And I’m probably going to hell…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:28:23pm

re: #147 stpaulbear

Yay! I’m all for it! Today was the day I became eligible to apply for Medicare. I retire at the end of the year and I thank everyone for allowing me to (moderately) sponge off the government until I croak.

It’s worked well for us for a decade or so. “Medicare for All Who Want It” might have its problems, but it’s a good model to depart from. As it is, many people don’t get on until years of damage has accumulated from the poultry-based system.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:29:27pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

NOPE!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:31:07pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

NOPE!

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That’s not gonna happen Paul.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:31:11pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:34:19pm

re: #152 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

NOPE!

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Oh, that’s cute Paul.

Not going to happen though. Yo ass is getting locked up…BIGLY!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:35:12pm

ahem…

Manafort’s lawyers ask for leniency, arguing that his crimes were “unrelated to the 2016 campaign or any collusion with the Russian government,”

so the 2016 campaign and collusion with the Russians is way worse?

good to know

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:38:30pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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ahem…

so the 2016 campaign and collusion with the Russians is way worse?

good to know

Manafort cared more about advancing Putin’s interests than ours. He’s just a step beneath a traitor imo.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:39:27pm

“Mr. Manafort, you committed further crimes while under indictment for existing crimes. Request for leniency denied.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:40:54pm

moron deflects:

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:42:10pm

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:42:18pm

I promise I won’t ask for anything else for the rest of the month if they do this.

Sit down, Lumpy. Tell us all about how Cohen told you that Trump wasn’t involved in the Stormy payoff. Under oath, motherfucker.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:42:46pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

No.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:43:33pm

re: #161 makeitstop

I promise I won’t ask for anything else for the rest of the month if they do this.

[Embedded content]

Sit down, Lumpy. Tell us all about how Cohen told you that Trump wasn’t involved in the Stormy payoff. Under oath, motherfucker.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:43:35pm

re: #161 makeitstop

Hannity is quite possibly the stupidest person alive.

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stpaulbear  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:43:55pm

Climate Change in MN:

startribune.com

Yes, Minnesotans, February was as bad as you thought.

After a slow start, winter decided make up for lost time — dumping 39 inches of snow in 28 days. It snowed more days than it didn’t, surpassing a typical February by more than two feet.

Essentially, the Twin Cities were transformed into mountain towns without the mountains.

In fact, with the exception of Wisconsin and Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, the Twin Cities suffered more snow this February than nearly everywhere outside the Mountain West, according to snow accumulation estimates by the National Weather Service.

This, to put it lightly, is unusual.

And we’ve gotten another 3-5” of snow today. St. Paul is declaring it’s sixth snow emergency in five weeks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:45:34pm

re: #161 makeitstop

I promise I won’t ask for anything else for the rest of the month if they do this.

[Embedded content]

Sit down, Lumpy. Tell us all about how Cohen told you that Trump wasn’t involved in the Stormy payoff. Under oath, motherfucker.

Oh man I’d love to see that.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:46:14pm

If kids graduating from college with no debt, and health insurance for everyone from birth to death is going to cost me, say, an extra grand a year in taxes, I’m all for it.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:47:40pm

I’d also like to add that if that makes me a socialist, give me my fucking badge so I can wear it.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:50:14pm

re: #161 makeitstop

I cannot wait for Hannity to get his ass handed to him by…

Rep. Cortez.

And Rep. Cummings. And Schiff. And everyone else lining up like that scene in Airplane!

You know the one.

Airplane! (6/10) Movie CLIP - Get a Hold of Yourself! (1980) HD

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:54:38pm

Oh, man. AOC tearing Hannity to shreds would be glorious to watch.

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stpaulbear  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:55:48pm

re: #167 Ace Rothstein

If kids graduating from college with no debt, and health insurance for everyone from birth to death is going to cost me, say, an extra grand a year in taxes, I’m all for it.

Yep. I always vote for whatever provides better schools/social services.

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lawhawk  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:55:55pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh, man. AOC tearing Hannity to shreds would be glorious to watch.

Hannity and his addled viewers will be treated to something special.

It’ll be a far more glorious comeuppance than Tucker Carlson getting beat down by Dutch historian Rutger Bregman.

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 3:58:27pm

re: #170 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh, man. AOC tearing Hannity to shreds would be glorious to watch.

The funny thing is, the actual video will show her sitting there calmly asking questions, and Hannity doing his best crazy idiot. And then he’ll go on air talking about how she literally slipped a noose around his neck.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:01:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:03:46pm

for the “no shit Sherlock” file:

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:08:55pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:09:27pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

Am I the only one who thinks the President should not have the power to unilaterally approve a security clearance?

That’s definitely a flaw in the system that needs to be fixed. But nobody ever imagined that the US president would be an unclearable buffoon with a penchant for handing out top-secret clearances to his cronies as if they were party favors.

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Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:17:04pm

Hello.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:17:25pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

Hello.

Hi.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:19:24pm

The lame-ass Trump sex jokes have temporarily caused me to stop recommending LGF to friends.

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A Three Hour Tour  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:23:43pm

re: #173 Belafon

The funny thing is, the actual video will show her sitting there calmly asking questions, and Hannity doing his best crazy idiot. And then he’ll go on air talking about how she literally slipped a noose around his neck.

And someone will claim that her calm questioning of Hannity swung several reliably Democratic districts from blue to red.

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fern01  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:34:06pm

re: #162 Ace Rothstein

No.

Many things that were not legislated were not needed to be legislated before trump. He has zero understanding of what a President does or does not do.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:40:03pm

re: #182 fern01

Many things that were not legislated were not needed to be legislated before trump. He has zero understanding of what a President does or does not do.

This is why so many laws are complicated, especially those dealing with taxes; if a practice isn’t explicitly outlawed, then a clever accountant or attorney will figure out a way of implementing it.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:40:22pm

Something smells funny.

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uriel  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:42:26pm

re: #184 Ace Rothstein

Sorry, that’s me. Some essential oil type thing I’ve been trying out.

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Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:43:41pm

re: #184 Ace Rothstein

Something smells funny.

Zoidberg.

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Nyet  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:50:13pm
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Nyet  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:50:38pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

Hello.

pew pew

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Belafon  Mar 1, 2019 • 4:53:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:05:28pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:13:12pm

Got back from Jackson Hole late last night.

Instagram

A snow formation of some sort at Jackson Hole. #NoFilter

Instagram

Pictures don’t really do this place and the amount of snow justice here in Jackson Hole. #NoFilter #dumpage

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:13:37pm

Michelle Goldberg on Chris Hayes just now used the term “epistemological terrorism” to describe the White House practice of constant lying to the American people. I quite like that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:14:15pm

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

another big NOPE!

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EPR-radar  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:15:10pm

re: #189 Belafon

Of course. This is what government is, for Trump and his cronies — better opportunities for graft, corruption, bribery, kickbacks and all the other normal functions of Trumpco businesses.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:16:47pm

This song came on the radio when I was driving to the ski area on Wednesday. The fact I was driving to Jackson Hole to ski over three feet of fresh snow and this song coming on the radio made me very happy, so happy my tear ducts opened up. I love love love this song!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:30:00pm

THREAD!

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:32:00pm

This is probably not a popular opinion here: But I don’t want a primary count of impeachment to be the lies about the payments to Cohen for Stormy Daniels. I want it to be of more substance: major income tax evasion, money laundering, violation of emoluments clause, involvement in the murder of Khashoggi - etc. Personally, I doubt that these payoffs would have affected the outcome of the election.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:32:21pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

COLORADO!

Giphy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:35:37pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:38:04pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:39:36pm

re: #134 gwangung

I have to agree with this:

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We just don’t have a wise man at the top.

Having the power is one thing
using it may not be wise
It may not be justified either

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:40:40pm

JFC

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:47:48pm

I tweeted this yesterday in the Casper Restaurant on the Jackson Hole ski area, still delirious from the run I just took (Corbet’s Couloir to Coombs).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:48:35pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:52:30pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

Donald J. Trump

@realDonaldTrump
Replying to @realDonaldTrump
….and I did not increase their second traunch of Tariffs to 25% on March 1st. This is very important for our great farmers - and me!

Of course it’s important to him. A recession would damage the one “bright” spot in his administration.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:53:13pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NEW MANAFORT FILING: In sentencing memo, Manafort’s lawyers ask for leniency, arguing that his crimes were “unrelated to the 2016 campaign or any collusion with the Russian government,” & accusing MUELLER of bringing charges to “tighten the screws” on Manafort to get him to flip.

ahem…

so the 2016 campaign and collusion with the Russians is way worse?

good to know

Whitewater ————>Lewinsky
Result had nothing to do with the initial investigation
What did any of it have to do with the job of the president

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:56:11pm

This was such an easy goddamned layup opportunity to demonstrate grace, but instead he just had to be a dick.

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 5:59:13pm

Roger, Roger, Roger

Juanita Jean has a post about an Instagram account apparently of Roger Stone, and it is a Ben Garrison cartoon: “I’m under attack …… Will you stand with me? StoneDefenseFund . com.” With a caricature of Judge Jackson in it. Shouldn’t that send the sunuvagun away?

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:01:06pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

He only knows how to be a dick, he’s a smarmy asshole, always has been.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:01:35pm

re: #198 teleskiguy

COLORADO!

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Purty place.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:03:37pm

re: #204 Backwoods_Sleuth

I believe the word he’s looking for is “tranche.”

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:03:46pm

re: #210 Eclectic Cyborg

Purty place.

My Instagram has a few purty pictures of mountains.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:04:34pm

re: #208 retired cynic

Should be shared with the judge’s office. IMO

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:04:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:05:23pm

re: #211 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I believe the word he’s looking for is “tranche.”

no…he knows all the best words…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:07:42pm

Chicago Midway Airport passengers are warned they might have been exposed to measles

A Chicago Midway International Airport passenger might have exposed people to measles there and at a Chicago-area hospital in the past week, Illinois health officials said, as physicians across the globe contend with a surge of measles cases.

The passenger — an Illinois resident whom officials aren’t naming — had the disease and was infectious when he or she was at the airport on the night of February 22, the Illinois Department of Public Health said.
The infected person was on a flight that arrived at the airport’s Concourse B. Officials didn’t say where the flight originated.
The person then sought treatment at Northwestern Medicine Delnor Hospital in the Chicago suburb of Geneva, health officials said.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:07:47pm

Larry Baer frantically running damage control:

“Pam and Larry Baer said in a statement to NBC Bay Area that, “Regrettably today we had a heated argument in public over a family matter. We are deeply embarrassed by the situation and have resolved the issue.”

Baer told a newspaper that it was a squabble over a cellphone.

My wife and I had an unfortunate public argument related to a family member and she had an injured foot and she fell off her chair in the course of the argument,” Baer told The San Francisco Chronicle. “The matter is resolved. It was a squabble over a cell phone. Obviously, it’s embarrassing.”

MLB is investigating and may penalize Baer over the incident.

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:09:01pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:09:18pm

re: #202 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Yeah. I am an owner. The rules don’t apply to me, so fuck you. Expect to see this attitude in the age of tRump. This happened to a CIS woman and there will be no repercussion Imagine if she was like me,a Transwoman? Crickets.

Now I hope some of you may understand why I have an escape plan. Women, CIS or TRANS, they don’t care. They consider us property. Nothing more, nothing less.

They are still there. And They are sill in power.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:09:29pm

I’ve ran into plenty of Bernie Sanders personality types in the ski towns I’ve lived in. Agreeable politics, but they truly think they’re smarter than everybody else and any disagreement is tantamount to being a sell out. These fuckers read one Noam Chomsky book and they think they know how to solve all the world’s problems. Oh yeah, they’re all white males.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:12:43pm

re: #212 teleskiguy

Someday I’d love to get well back in there and settle in for landscape photography/remote camping. Helicopter drop way back. Pick me up in a week. Maybe not winter tho… LOL.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:14:07pm

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

Larry Baer frantically running damage control:

“Pam and Larry Baer said in a statement to NBC Bay Area that, “Regrettably today we had a heated argument in public over a family matter. We are deeply embarrassed by the situation and have resolved the issue.”

Baer told a newspaper that it was a squabble over a cellphone.

My wife and I had an unfortunate public argument related to a family member and she had an injured foot and she fell off her chair in the course of the argument,” Baer told The San Francisco Chronicle. “The matter is resolved. It was a squabble over a cell phone. Obviously, it’s embarrassing.”

And why didn’t he stay and help her up?

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:16:14pm

re: #221 Unshaken Defiance

That sounds rad! Maybe you don’t need to get a helicopter, just get in shape and walk around the park on the very extensive elaborate trail system.

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A Mom Anon  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:16:25pm

re: #222 Hecuba’s daughter

He didn’t think anyone was looking. He flew mad and it’s not the first time. I hope she has safe people and places to go to.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:23:50pm

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

Larry Baer frantically running damage control:

“Pam and Larry Baer said in a statement to NBC Bay Area that, “Regrettably today we had a heated argument in public over a family matter. We are deeply embarrassed by the situation and have resolved the issue.”

Baer told a newspaper that it was a squabble over a cellphone.

My wife and I had an unfortunate public argument related to a family member and she had an injured foot and she fell off her chair in the course of the argument,” Baer told The San Francisco Chronicle. “The matter is resolved. It was a squabble over a cell phone. Obviously, it’s embarrassing.”

MLB is investigating and may penalize Baer over the incident.

Yeah like she was an even player/combatant
Squabble my ass
He was mad that she didn’t do what he wanted

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A Three Hour Tour  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:26:49pm

re: #207 goddamnedfrank

This was such an easy goddamned layup chance to demonstrate grace but he just had to be a dick.

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Sanders needs to face a credible challenge from his left from a Gen-X-er or older millenial with a track record in office, someone who can call him out on his dismissal of core democratic constituencies, someone who can point out that Bernie doesn’t walk the walk and hasn’t since he abandoned diverse New York City for Lily-white Vermont in the late sixties.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:29:59pm

re: #217 Eclectic Cyborg

fell off her chair when he threw her to the ground

fixed that explanation for him

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:32:05pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:34:02pm

re: #223 teleskiguy

That sounds rad! Maybe you don’t need to get a helicopter, just get in shape and walk around the park on the very extensive elaborate trail system.

I’m sure that’s true but anymore I’m pining for really remote and less seen. I have been to Colorado and loved every minute.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:35:49pm

re: #229 Unshaken Defiance

I’m sure that’s true but anymore I’m pining for really remote and less seen. I have been to Colorado and loved every minute.

Look into the Weminuche Wilderness. There’s places there, about as remote as you can get in the lower 48, right up there with the interior of Idaho.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:37:32pm

What to do? Post on FB and promote to shame the bastards?
Public Shaming Time
Tepid response from security and management over men using the women’s bathroom repeatedly in a professional building. “It’s not illegal”. 608 South Hill Street Los Angeles 90014 “The Fox Building” Apparently the jewelry selling tenant gives the men the key to the closer more convenient bathroom and cares not a whit for the ladies discomfort. Thing is a couple of those ladies are people I care for deeply. Keeps happening.

Very tempted to get in someone’s grill on this really loud and long.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:38:17pm

Listening to the H&I network — and it just broadcast a promo for JAG with a scene in which a character declaims “America has been a symbol of hope for the world to fight against oppression and tyranny”. Well, that may have been true before Trump became President. Sigh.

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sagehen  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:48:44pm

re: #231 Unshaken Defiance

What to do? Post on FB and promote to shame the bastards?
Public Shaming Time
Tepid response from security and management over men using the women’s bathroom repeatedly in a professional building. “It’s not illegal”. 608 South Hill Street Los Angeles 90014 “The Fox Building” Apparently the jewelry selling tenant gives the men the key to the closer more convenient bathroom and cares not a whit for the ladies discomfort. Thing is a couple of those ladies are people I care for deeply. Keeps happening.

Very tempted to get in someone’s grill on this really loud and long.

He’s a RWNJ doing it on purpose.

He wants you and others to complain loudly and publicly, so he and his cohorts can call you hypocrites re trans bathroom access, texas bathroom bills, etc.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:52:11pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 1, 2019 • 6:56:14pm

re: #233 sagehen

He’s a RWNJ doing it on purpose.

He wants you and others to complain loudly and publicly, so he and his cohorts can call you hypocrites re trans bathroom access, texas bathroom bills, etc.

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MsJ  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:06:32pm
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MsJ  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:08:31pm
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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:08:53pm

re: #236 MsJ

The children should be removed from their custody (and how, I don’t know!) and all those responsible, from the closest to the situation to those in DC signing documents, should be locked away from decent people (and how, I don’t know!) for the rest of their lives. GAH!

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:13:12pm

re: #238 retired cynic
I need a magic wand!

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plansbandc  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:15:09pm

re: #224 A Mom Anon

In public. Imagine what he does in private.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:25:07pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:28:16pm

re: #241 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

God forbid we irritate North Korea.

Christ.

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makeitstop  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:32:19pm

re: #242 Eclectic Cyborg

God forbid we irritate North Korea.

Christ.

Thanks, President Tough Guy.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:33:52pm

re: #236 MsJ

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Conservatives justifying the sexual abuse of migrant children, by bringing up “Angel Families.” Like if those migrant children actually did the killings.

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:35:11pm

re: #244 DodgerFan1988

Conservatives justifying the sexual abuse of migrant children, by bringing up “Angel Families.” Like if those migrant children actually did the killings.

Or their parents….

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Skip Intro  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:43:22pm

Treasury will hit the debt limit tomorrow, a little over $22 trillion. Another Trump record.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:45:13pm

re: #238 retired cynic

The children should be removed from their custody (and how, I don’t know!) and all those responsible, from the closest to the situation to those in DC signing documents, should be locked away from decent people (and how, I don’t know!) for the rest of their lives. GAH!

This has been going on for years — it started prior to Trump’s election and is continuing to this day. This needs to be investigated thoroughly and all those involved must be charged and face criminal prosecution.

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:47:30pm

re: #247 Hecuba’s daughter

This has been going on for years — it started prior to Trump’s election and is continuing to this day. This needs to be investigated thoroughly and all those involved must be charged and face criminal prosecution.

Agreed. No matter whose administration. Get ‘em all.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 1, 2019 • 7:57:08pm

re: #236 MsJ

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:00:24pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

Franklygoddamn
@goddamnedfrank
I’m sure the #QANON & #PIZZAGATE folks will hop right on this story, unless they really are just a flagrantly mendacious cynical political cult that only pretends to be concerned about serial child sexual abuse when they can shoehorn it into their nonsensical conspiracy theories.

9:56 PM - Mar 1, 2019

NARRATOR: They are a flagrantly mendacious cynical political cult that only pretends to be concerned about serial child sexual abuse when they can shoehorn it into their nonsensical conspiracy theories.

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Varek Raith  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:00:48pm

re: #237 MsJ

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Ma, get off the dang iceberg!

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:01:11pm
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MsJ  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:06:19pm

re: #251 Varek Raith

Ma, get off the dang iceberg!

I just heard Michael Rapaport say that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:13:28pm

re: #252 jaunte

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No need to investigate this: Lying to the public is not illegal. Trump never intends to release these tax returns. It’s up to Congress to get this information from the IRS.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:14:35pm

re: #254 Hecuba’s daughter

No legal need, but an easy political gain.

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jaunte  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:15:23pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:18:37pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

OG cougar. ;)

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:33:22pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:35:55pm

OOOOOOOOH TAMMY!!

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retired cynic  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:36:42pm

re: #259 Dave In Austin

OOOOOOOOH TAMMY!!

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Is there a score below zero?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:37:15pm

...

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:43:08pm

Not comfortable with the Tomi Lahren sex work narrative being built here.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:44:09pm

We’re fucking better than that, damn it male Lizards.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:45:32pm

re: #263 teleskiguy

We’re fucking better than that, damn it male Lizards.

Deleted.

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:45:54pm

Downdings should have been given. But I don’t want to make my fellow males sad or angry.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:47:58pm

re: #265 teleskiguy

Downdings should have been given. But I don’t want to make my fellow males sad or angry.

You’re not wrong. I guess I’ll see myself out for the night.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:48:17pm

What I do?? I meant nothing by it!
What are you thinking??

//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:51:13pm

re: #266 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

You’re not wrong. I guess I’ll see myself out for the night.

You’re cool. Stay as long as you want! I always read thedopefishlives! You’re my conduit into life in and around Minneapolis/St.Paul. You and stpaulbear are valuable voices for that area for LGF.

Cheers! May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house!

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teleskiguy  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:53:23pm

re: #267 Dave In Austin

I thought it poor taste, sexist, misogynistic. Fuck that shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 1, 2019 • 8:55:23pm

El Cholo tonight!


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