Geologically Beautiful: Bruce Hornsby Solo, “Continents Drift” [VIDEO]

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“Continents Drift” performed in 2018 during An Evening with Bruce Hornsby (solo).

We were new to love when we were young
Lying in our arms, gravity unwinding
Not knowing we were too young to love
And the years passed by in our entwining

And the eastern coast met the western shore
And the masses of land fit just like a glove
And the dawn that came up, moved us to explore
The borders that outlined our love

Continents drift
Across a moonlit ocean
Continents divide
In a glacial measured motion

Continents drift
As foothills move our mountains
Our fault lines are accounted
As our continents divide

We’re old hands at love, no longer young
Lying here alone, invisibly unwinding
Believing we needed to be young to love
And the years pass by in our unbinding

And the world presses in and our shorelines change
And the cycle of tides moves us in the darkness
Now the light that comes up on your distant range
From the east casts a shadow between us

Continents drift
Across a moonlit ocean
Continents divide
In glacial measured motion

Continents drift
As foothills move our mountains
Our fault lines are accounted
As our continents divide

Continents drift
Across a moonlit ocean
Continents divide
In glacial measured motion

Continents drift
As foothills move our mountains
Our fault lines are accounted
As our continents divide

Our fault lines are accounted
In glacial measured motion
As foothills move our mountains, mountains
Our fault lines are accounted
As our continents divide

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249 comments

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2019 • 9:01:49pm

I had the great pleasure of catching the Grateful Dead many times when Bruce Hornsby was their keyboardist, and boy did he rock the house! Before that, I thought of him as a new age/lounge musician. But he’s really a badass soul organist ala Booker T. Jones. Musicians are funny creatures.

Por example…

Youtube Video

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 6, 2019 • 9:26:33pm

Just got this from a great cousin. My great great grandmother.

The weight of time made evident

Harriot Amelia Morphy Ballard
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2019 • 9:57:12pm

So, I’m with some friends at our local tavern tonight, and one of the bartenders, Josh (nice guy), says it’s National Oreo Day, as he passed around a package of Oreos. So, I quipped that it was too bad it wasn’t National Reese’s Peanut Cup Day, and not more than ten minutes later a young lady who I’d never met before, as she was heading out stopped in front of me, dug deep into her handbag for a minute, and pulled out a pack of Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups and said “Here ya go, happy holidays!”

And so I humbly I suggest that our national motto be changed from E pluribus unum to Here ya go!

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:05:28pm

re: #3 De Kolta Chair

So, I’m with some friends at our local tavern tonight, and one of the bartenders, Josh (nice guy), says it’s National Oreo Day, as he passed around a package of Oreos. So, I quipped that it was too bad it wasn’t National Reese’s Peanut Cup Day, and not more than ten minutes later a young lady who I’d never met before as she was leaving stopped in front of me, dug deep into her handbag for a minute, and pulled out a pack of Reese’s Peanut Butter Cups and said “Here ya go. happy holidays!”

And so I humbly I suggest that our national motto be changed from E pluribus unum to Here ya go.

Get her number. Sounds like a keeper.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:06:14pm

Young minds await their daily filling of wisdom. Unfortunately, they’re stuck with me.

Later, everyone.

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:30:34pm

So yesterday was an Audubon tetrafecta in the backyard for tufted songbirds. Bluejays, Cardinals, Tufted Titmice, and a winter visitor, Cedar Waxwings stripping a wax leaf ligustrum.

Also, the first Robin of the season. That Robin appeared to be a scout, because today the backyard today was filthy with them. I’ve always thought of them as paired-up travelers, but no. That were dining on winter fruiting bushes, and at one point a Cooper’s Hawk flew over and I swear to god seventy of them flashed out and fled south.

Finally, twenty minutes ago, a Barred Owl started hooting. Spring is here, unless the bird’s migratory patterns have been completely fucked up by climate change. Hummers should be showing up in the next two or three weeks.

And bats. Millions of bats.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:36:22pm

Wingnut history, explained in a nutcaseshell:

It all started with Marx. Initially at least, the German born Marx was mostly known for snappy one liners and an omnipresent cigar. Then Pa Engels went over to the Dark Side after Little House, the two teamed up and communism was born. Their followers, who called themselves Marx brothers, knew they had no chance of eradicating private property so long as property owners and other True Christians had firearms. So they got in touch with Hollywood hopheads and perverts,and and created the Democrat Party as a front. They have instituted Shakira law in their native California, forcing all to dance to their evil tune, but their greatest success has been the legalization of cannibals in Colorado. They hope that between them, the cannibals, hopheads, and dance fiends can force gun control on real Americans. It is hopeless, of course, because we have all the guns and God is on our side just in case.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:42:46pm

JFC her lie didn’t even last 9 hours.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:54:07pm

The real “Pizzagate.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 6, 2019 • 10:58:04pm

re: #8 goddamnedfrank

JFC her lie didn’t even last 9 hours.

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I have some sympathy for the difficulty in responding when you are asked certain yes or no questions; for example, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Situations are often more complex than an apparently straightforward question allows. That said, Kirstjen Nielsen really does present herself as someone who would have been quite comfortable in working under Vidkun Quisling, the traitor who ran Norway under the Nazis.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:02:35pm
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:16:21pm

re: #9 DodgerFan1988

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The real “Pizzagate.”

So much projection, you can see it from space.

That seems to be the name of the game with the RWNJ’s. Who knows what manner of depravities they’re really up to and then turning around and accusing their opponents of the most monstrous aberrations?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:20:46pm
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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:24:23pm
Geologically Beautiful

But is it Profitably Beautiful?

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austin_blue  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:28:05pm

Night all! Sweet dreams.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:30:37pm

re: #12 Dr Lizardo

So much projection, you can see it from space.

That seems to be the name of the game with the RWNJ’s. Who knows what manner of depravities they’re really up to and then turning around and accusing their opponents of the most monstrous aberrations?

If Epstein’s entire list is ever revealed, it will almost certainly include men of all political parties and ideologies.

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freetoken  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:30:43pm

Speaking of geology, Prof Zentner is back:

Nick On The Rocks - Season 3 Premiere

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:33:48pm

When I think of American journalism, I think of Benjamin “Horn Dog” Franklin. When I think of Chuck Todd, I think of low grade backyard-grown balsa spray-painted to look like mahogany.

Alfa Mist - Keep On (Live) | Mahogany Session

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:34:48pm

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

If Epstein’s entire list is ever revealed, it will almost certainly include men of all political parties and ideologies.

Of that I have little doubt.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:36:49pm

re: #19 Dr Lizardo

Of that I have little doubt.

They will not be equally publicized, however.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 6, 2019 • 11:56:53pm

No F-35 for you.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:03:19am

Good night all!

Sylvain David - Adorable

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Targetpractice  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:17:29am

re: #11 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Personally, I’m not sure which is more ridiculous: The constant refrains of “But Chris Wallace…” as though he’s the rule rather than the exception, or the insistence that the revelations about Faux being the propaganda arm of the Trump campaign/presidency don’t matter because “JOURNALISM!!!”

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:35:46am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:02:56am

re: #24 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Because those documents only exist in his fevered imagination.

Aside from him likely having Narcissistic Personality Disorder, that insane rambling two-hour CPAC “speech” (LOL) really has me wondering if he’s also suffering from some kind of psychosis, the type usually caused by long-term amphetamine addiction.

It’s certainly no secret to anyone that Trump was taking amphetamines in the ’90s for weight loss - I wonder if he’s continuing to take bennies or Adderall or something to give him an “edge”. It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest. His persistent sniffling and rambling, disjointed speech seem to be telltale signs that he’s snorting something; I recall that not long before she passed away, Carrie Fisher swore that Trump was on blow.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:26:58am

OH HELL NO!
GOP Lawmakers Wear Pearls To Mock Mothers Testifying On Gun Violence, Sparking Outrage

Republican members of the New Hampshire House of Representatives are facing backlash for their decision to wear pearls during a hearing on gun control legislation sparking accusations that they were being sexist and using the “clutching their pearls” imagery to mock the testimony of mothers of gun violence victims.

The controversy erupted Tuesday afternoon during debate over a bill that would restrict access to firearms from people deemed to pose an “immediate risk to themselves or others.”

The measure, known as House Bill 687-FN, would allow authorities and family members to obtain court orders that would restrict access to guns for potentially dangerous people.

It would take an emergency airdrop of drunken Scots to come up with enough nasty names to call these….creatures.

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teleskiguy  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:47:46am

Just got back from seeing these guys in Aspen. They’re good! Here’s them playing in Arkansas six days ago.

Spafford - The Postman | 3/1/19 | Fayetteville, AR

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:49:33am

This is an incredible photograph. 1858, 3 years before the Civil War and just 22 years after the famous battle.

Facebook Post

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teleskiguy  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:51:12am

re: #27 teleskiguy

Breakdown. A 10 minute version.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:05:00am

Stochastic terrorist:

Missouri man charged with trying to burn down local Planned Parenthood clinic

Wesley Brian Kaster

A 42-year-old Columbia, Missouri, man has been charged with trying to burn down a local Planned Parenthood clinic last month, federal prosecutors said Monday.

Wesley Brian Kaster was arrested Saturday after investigators searched his vehicle and found evidence linking him to the fire at the Planned Parenthood-Columbia Health Center. No one was hurt in the attack, which happened in the pre-dawn hours when the building was empty.

Kaster faces a preliminary charge of using fire or an explosive to maliciously damage a building that receives federal funding, but that could change. The FBI had said it was investigating the attack as a possible hate crime.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:37:31am

re: #30 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I hate to say it, but I think we’re going to see more of this sort of thing in the not-too-distant future, and all the more likely if Trump and the GOP end up getting wiped out in an electoral fiasco next November.

Another nagging thought…..let’s say Trump gets the boot next November. He’s still POTUS between 11/04/2020 to 01/20/2021 and in that brief two-odd months, he could lash out and unleash all manner of chaos and who’s going to stop him? Ivanka? Donnie, Jr.? Hannity?

Yeesh.

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teleskiguy  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:55:44am

I’ve posted this before. I’ll post it again. It’s my new favorite song. I love this song.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:09:04am

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Wingnut history, explained in a nutcaseshell:

It all started with Marx. Initially at least, the German born Marx was mostly known for snappy one liners and an omnipresent cigar. Then Pa Engels went over to the Dark Side after Little House, the two teamed up and communism was born. Their followers, who called themselves Marx brothers, knew they had no chance of eradicating private property so long as property owners and other True Christians had firearms. So they got in touch with Hollywood hopheads and perverts,and and created the Democrat Party as a front. They have instituted Shakira law in their native California, forcing all to dance to their evil tune, but their greatest success has been the legalization of cannibals in Colorado. They hope that between them, the cannibals, hopheads, and dance fiends can force gun control on real Americans. It is hopeless, of course, because we have all the guns and God is on our side just in case.

You forgot about how they invented and imposed PC, fluoridation and gaydom to weaken our resolve and corrupt our bodily fluids.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:42:43am

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

If Epstein’s entire list is ever revealed, it will almost certainly include men of all political parties and ideologies.

These people are going to give pedophilia a bad name…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:46:13am

New music from Rodrigo y Gabriela.

Rodrigo y Gabriela - Mettavolution (Official Audio)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:47:10am

re: #34 Decatur Deb

These people are going to give pedophilia a bad name…

Just the idea of Dersh having sex with a teenager is enough to make me sick.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:50:24am

re: #36 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Just the idea of Dersh having sex with a teenager is enough to make me sick.

Doubt there’s an Adonis in the bunch.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:56:02am

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

I have some sympathy for the difficulty in responding when you are asked certain yes or no questions; for example, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Situations are often more complex than an apparently straightforward question allows. That said, Kirstjen Nielsen really does present herself as someone who would have been quite comfortable in working under Vidkun Quisling, the traitor who ran Norway under the Nazis.

“Have you stopped bearing your wife” isn’t a yes-no question. It’s a logical fallacy and as such is impossible to answer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:12:27am

re: #38 Colère Tueur de Lapin

“Have you stopped bearing your wife” isn’t a yes-no question. It’s a logical fallacy and as such is impossible to answer.

But it also reflects the nature of modern political discourse: about bullet points and Tweets and sound bytes intended to create an impression rather than to inform.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:27:20am

There are times when a steel cage doesn’t look so bad.

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Weaselone  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:32:35am

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But it also reflects the nature of modern political discourse: about bullet points and Tweets and sound bytes intended to create an impression rather than to inform.

The question is valid in this situation as DHS is a known wife beater and the honest answer is about 30 seconds before she walked into this meeting.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:36:30am
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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:47:54am
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jeffreyw  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:51:10am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:53:31am

From balloon-juice.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:53:59am

re: #43 darthstar

Has anyone explained to Trump that:
1. He doesn’t get to be on stage for the Democratic primary debates
or
2. Little Marco, Lyin’ Ted, Weak Jeb! and the rest of the gang won’t be joining him on stage for RNC debates?

At least the RNC is aware that the absence of a GOP primary means they can devote all their efforts to ratfucking the DNC primary.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:56:37am

re: #45 Belafon

GOP went from 5% to 8% - that’s a 60% increase!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:57:35am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

OH HELL NO!
GOP Lawmakers Wear Pearls To Mock Mothers Testifying On Gun Violence, Sparking Outrage

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It would take an emergency airdrop of drunken Scots to come up with enough nasty names to call these….creatures.

also, take a gander at the lapel pin…

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:57:49am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least the RNC is aware that the absence of a GOP primary means they can devote all their efforts to ratfucking the DNC primary.

Trump will want his stage time - not that he doesn’t get enough as it is. Expect rallies on debate nights to share the news cycles.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:09:30am

re: #45 Belafon

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From balloon-juice.com

There’s significant overlap between people who support him and think he committed crimes. Anyhow. It’s not looking good for him at all.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:11:21am

re: #50 HappyWarrior

There’s significant overlap between people who support him and think he committed crimes. Anyhow. It’s not looking good for him at all.

Hate the sin, elect the sinner!

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:39:52am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hate the sin, elect the sinner!

Better the evil white man you know than the woman/minority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:50:08am

re: #52 Belafon

Better the evil white man you know than the woman/minority.

His supporters were also convinced that Hillary was no less criminal or even worse.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:02:17am

re: #10 Hecuba’s daughter

I have some sympathy for the difficulty in responding when you are asked certain yes or no questions; for example, “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Situations are often more complex than an apparently straightforward question allows. That said, Kirstjen Nielsen really does present herself as someone who would have been quite comfortable in working under Vidkun Quisling, the traitor who ran Norway under the Nazis.

Nielsen knew that the question was coming about who was in custody, the number of children separated, and what happened to those children, and whether all those children were reunited with their parents.

She blew the answers in the worst way, and the reality is that Trump and Nielsen broke multiple laws and court orders in the process. Her resignation should be demanded, followed by Trump’s given the nature of the crime. Arguably DHS policy is to engage in human trafficking.

Where are the 471 children and why aren’t they being reunited with their parents.

If anyone is not reunited with their parents after this debacle, and we learn instead that they were shuffled through into foster care via Bethany Christian Services (which has ties to DeVos), there should be hell to pay and then some. There’s so much self dealing and personal aggrandizement in Trumpworld that it should shock people to the core, except it’s so widespread that far too many have become numb to it all.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:14:09am

re: #9 DodgerFan1988

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xxx

Giuffre alleges she was turned into a sex slave while working at Mar-a-Lago.

“One of those victims was Giuffre, who claims she was 15 and working a summer job at Mar-a-Lago in 1998 when British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly recruited her as a masseuse for Epstein. Giuffre said Epstein kept her as a “sex slave” until 2002 and that she was forced to have sex with his friends, including Prince Andrew and Dershowitz,” The Beast reported.

Both Prince Andrew and Dershowitz have denied the allegations.

just a coincidence, I’m sure…

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:19:04am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:27:31am

Which Democrats are worried that going after Trump’s spawn for crimes they committed will blow back? Who is making this case?

“Getting to family members I think is dangerous,” said Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), a senior member of the House Oversight and Reform Committee. “Only because it gets real personal, real fast. And it risks backfiring.

“Maybe at some point we have to call them in,” Connolly added, “but I’d rather let prosecutors look at that.”

Prosecutors are already looking at that. The Manhattan DA had a fraud case against Ivanka and Jared that got dropped after a money man donated to Vance’s campaign and the case dropped. Money talks, and all this bulkshit just walks. The family isn’t insulated because they’re kids. These are all adults who are in positions of power for no other reason than nepotism. They’re engaging in criminal acts because of their positions and furthering ongoing criminality.

What’s the concern here, that people will be sympathetic to Junior or Ivanka or Jared? Why? They’re up to their eyeballs in wrongdoing and they’re all lawyered up already knowing that indictments are in their future. Congress has every right to investigate the family further - doing the work that the GOP refused to do.

Are they worried that the GOP might do this down the road? Go for it. The GOP has already blown through comity and the rule of law only applies to Democrats and when Democrats are in office, not to GOPers who are openly flouting multiple laws at the state and federal level.

The GOPers are claiming that this is overreach, which is total bullshit given what we already know of Trump’s campaign operations, where everyone associated is either already indicted, about to get sentenced (Manafort), in a plea deal (Flynn, Cohen, Papadopoulos, Gates), or expects to be indicted.

The GOP line is witch hunt. Democrats shouldn’t worry about what the GOP will think here. Fuck their feelings. The rule of law trumps their feelings.

What political blowback will there be here? The GOP will do what exactly? They’ve already shown that they don’t care about the rule of law or the constitution - see how McConnell manipulated the judicial picks and blocked Obama’s picks all while speeding Trump picks through in record fashion.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:29:02am

Trump’s going to help the coal miners he promised.

He’s going to help them into an early grave.

Coal mine operators will profit from reduced oversight, environmental rules, and those living downstream or downwind will pay the price in reduced life expectancy, higher health care costs, and worse air/water quality.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:32:30am

re: #58 lawhawk

Trump’s going to help the coal miners he promised.

He’s going to help them into an early grave.

Coal mine operators will profit from reduced oversight, environmental rules, and those living downstream or downwind will pay the price in reduced life expectancy, higher health care costs, and worse air/water quality.

He promised those people that if we just get rid of all those pesky and obstructive government safety, health and environmental regulations, coal would come booming back and generate thousands of well-paid jobs.

And that there would be no need for unions because companies would be scrambling for workers…

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:44:05am

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Coal continues its decline. In fact, coal fired electric plants have been closing faster under Trump than under Obama.

Why? Because it’s cheaper to go with renewables or natural gas.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:44:25am

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

also, take a gander at the lapel pin…

When I was 21 my bipolar father went into a paranoid delusional manic episode. There were guns in the house. When I went in to remove them I got a loaded gun pointed at my chest by a raging madman. Luckily, I had spent my life talking him down and knew how to get the gun away from him without anyone getting shot.

Had this law existed I’d have gotten every gun out of that house months, years before. But he was undiagnosed for years and refused to take his meds when he was. He was fucking dangerous.

So I find the “pearl-clutching” stunt not the least bit cute. Let every one of them stare down a crazy family member pointing a loaded gun at their chest with their hands shaking. Then come and talk to me.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:46:44am

re: #61 BlueGrl21

So I find the “pearl-clutching” stunt not the least bit cute. Let every one of them stare down a crazy family member pointing a loaded gun at their chest with their hands shaking. Then come and talk to me.

You would not have been as scared if you had been properly armed!!!

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:48:12am

re: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

You would not have been as scared if you had been properly armed!!!

Nope, she’d be dead or in jail instead.

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:49:30am

Man, it’s depressing and (I use this word a lot these days) exhausting, but all too predictable that journos are almost universally treating the DNC rejecting Fox moderation of a debate as the greatest affront to free press ever. The same Fox that gleefully paints every single same one of those journos as ‘enemies of the people’ and treats everything that isn’t them as the most dangerous fake news in the history of ever.

And still you have ‘serious’ journos falling all over themselves to stan for Fox. The same way they stan for GOPers who would gladly send them all to the gulags if given the chance.

These dumb motherfuckers keep enabling their own demise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:49:51am

re: #63 Belafon

Nope, she’d be dead or in jail instead.

Of course.

Point is, there is no argument you can get into with a gun nut to which their answer would not be “more guns”.

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:51:25am

re: #63 Belafon

Nope, she’d be dead or in jail instead.

I’m pretty sure the gun nuts would consider that a feature rather than a bug. After all, bad guy with a gun, good guy with a gun, etc. stand your ground, etc. and anon.

The only security in this country is gun. The only real law in this country is gun. All hail gun our lord and savior.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:55:00am

re: #64 Citizen K

Man, it’s depressing and (I use this word a lot these days) exhausting, but all too predictable that journos are almost universally treating the DNC rejecting Fox moderation of a debate as the greatest affront to free press ever.

Fox only made the offer in the first place so that the DNC would decline and they could paint themselves as champions of the Free Press…

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BlueGrl21  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:56:30am

re: #65 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Of course.

Point is, there is no argument you can get into with a gun nut to which their answer would not be “more guns”.

This is a story I don’t share much in the “real world” for obvious reasons. But I have a really close friend who is a gun owner, big 2nd amendment guy, who I told over too many beers one night. Put the fear of God into him about guns and the mentally ill. It goes from being an abstract concept to real damn quickly when someone you love tells you their life was dependent on saying the right two sentences. And it would have been a whole different scenario if he’d had a knife.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:56:53am

re: #51 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hate the sin, elect the sinner!

Acknowledge the sin, support the sinner.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:57:11am

More bulkshit from the Times.

Proffering policy is somehow a bad thing when Democrats do it.
Proffering policy hands GOPers a weapon.

Ummm…. step back a moment here. Climate change is real. Pollution is real. Human caused forcing of climate change is observed and real. One party has put forward ideas on how to address it. The other is stuck on stupid and is burying their heads in the sand (and will soon be underwater as sea levels rise).

The GOP play here is to do what? Force Democrats to vote on something that’s needed? The GOP couldn’t even put together a health care plan. Their only intention over the past 10 years has been to unwind the safety net and demolish anything having to do with Obama. They don’t have any affirmative policies - it’s all regressive.

Until then, the Times is carrying the GOP’s water.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:58:37am

re: #57 lawhawk

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Which Democrats are worried that going after Trump’s spawn for crimes they committed will blow back? Who is making this case?

Prosecutors are already looking at that. The Manhattan DA had a fraud case against Ivanka and Jared that got dropped after a money man donated to Vance’s campaign and the case dropped. Money talks, and all this bulkshit just walks. The family isn’t insulated because they’re kids. These are all adults who are in positions of power for no other reason than nepotism. They’re engaging in criminal acts because of their positions and furthering ongoing criminality.

What’s the concern here, that people will be sympathetic to Junior or Ivanka or Jared? Why? They’re up to their eyeballs in wrongdoing and they’re all lawyered up already knowing that indictments are in their future. Congress has every right to investigate the family further - doing the work that the GOP refused to do.

Are they worried that the GOP might do this down the road? Go for it. The GOP has already blown through comity and the rule of law only applies to Democrats and when Democrats are in office, not to GOPers who are openly flouting multiple laws at the state and federal level.

The GOPers are claiming that this is overreach, which is total bullshit given what we already know of Trump’s campaign operations, where everyone associated is either already indicted, about to get sentenced (Manafort), in a plea deal (Flynn, Cohen, Papadopoulos, Gates), or expects to be indicted.

The GOP line is witch hunt. Democrats shouldn’t worry about what the GOP will think here. Fuck their feelings. The rule of law trumps their feelings.

What political blowback will there be here? The GOP will do what exactly? They’ve already shown that they don’t care about the rule of law or the constitution - see how McConnell manipulated the judicial picks and blocked Obama’s picks all while speeding Trump picks through in record fashion.

With all respect to my former Congressman, the kids became fair game when he put them tin his administration. No one is investigating Tiffany or Barron but Ivanka and the boys and Jared. Yes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 6:59:37am

re: #64 Citizen K

Man, it’s depressing and (I use this word a lot these days) exhausting, but all too predictable that journos are almost universally treating the DNC rejecting Fox moderation of a debate as the greatest affront to free press ever. The same Fox that gleefully paints every single same one of those journos as ‘enemies of the people’ and treats everything that isn’t them as the most dangerous fake news in the history of ever.

And still you have ‘serious’ journos falling all over themselves to stan for Fox. The same way they stan for GOPers who would gladly send them all to the gulags if given the chance.

These dumb motherfuckers keep enabling their own demise.

If FNC acted as anything other than Trump whisperers, this wouldn’t be an issue.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:01:36am

re: #18 De Kolta Chair

When I think of American journalism, I think of Benjamin “Horn Dog” Franklin. When I think of Chuck Todd, I think of low grade backyard-grown balsa spray-painted to look like mahogany.

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No when I think of Chuck U Todd, I think of a Presstitute who sold his soul for 20 pieces of silver. OR He’s what Luke Russert would be if Luke went thru Puberty…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:04:20am

re: #70 lawhawk

More bulkshit from the Times.

Proffering policy is somehow a bad thing when Democrats do it.
Proffering policy hands GOPers a weapon.

The GOP is doing a great job of presenting the GND as being all about taking away our hamburgers and our airlines, making us live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dry leaves…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:05:17am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

OH HELL NO!
GOP Lawmakers Wear Pearls To Mock Mothers Testifying On Gun Violence, Sparking Outrage

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It would take an emergency airdrop of drunken Scots to come up with enough nasty names to call these….creatures.

Well the boys wearing the pearls were admitting in public to this!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:06:17am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP is doing a freat job of presenting the GND as being all about taking away our hamburgers and our airlines, making us live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dry leaves…

Are they? The polls would disagree imo. Don’t mistake Gorka and the CPAC crowd for the majority.

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:07:08am

re: #72 HappyWarrior

If FNC acted as anything other than Trump whisperers, this wouldn’t be an issue.

But they are. And it should be contingent on other outlets not to enable this. The fact that they do so willingly and to the point of lionizing the outlet just puts things into such bleak fucking relief.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:08:41am

re: #77 Citizen K

But they are. And it should be contingent on other outlets not to enable this. The fact that they do so willingly and to the point of lionizing the outlet just puts things into such bleak fucking relief.

I hear ya.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:10:37am

Meanwhile, as the uproar over Rep. Omar continues, our co-religionists across the ocean have to deal with this:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:11:59am

re: #79 The Vicious Babushka

Meanwhile, as the uproar over Rep. Khan continues, our co-religionists across the ocean have to deal with this:

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Labour simply doesn’t get it and unfortunately I don’t think they will for a long time.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:12:05am

re: #45 Belafon

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From balloon-juice.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:12:23am

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Labour simply doesn’t get it and unfortunately I don’t think they will for a long time.

Rep. Omar. My bad.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:14:06am

re: #82 The Vicious Babushka

Rep. Omar. My bad.

No worries. It’s early. Knew who you meant.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:15:42am

I think you can certainly be critical of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic but I think there unfortunately is Anti Semitism that does exist that comes out in regards to Israel and far left movements do it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:16:10am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Are they? The polls would disagree imo. Don’t mistake Gorka and the CPAC crowd for the majority.

They still control the Presidency, the Senate and Fox News, and are tipping the SCOTUS as well.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:17:27am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:17:48am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I think you can certainly be critical of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic but I think there unfortunately is Anti Semitism that does exist that comes out in regards to Israel and far left movements do it.

Opposition to Israel and its current government vs. being anti-Semitic also calls for a very differentiated means of expression, but nuance is one characteristic that has been lost in the current shouting match that passes for political discourse these days.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:21:22am

re: #87 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Opposition to Israel and its current government vs. being anti-Semitic also calls for a very differentiated means of expression, but nuance is one characteristic that has been lost in the current shouting match that passes for political discourse these days.

Well yeah that’s what I mean. Criticizing Bibi for being a bigot, more friendly to American domestic far right nuts than President Obama, and his double standards (his administration calling out Poland’s Anti-Semitic history while still being buddy bud with Orban and Hungary, his increasing alliance with Putin, etc all valid. But when you post what Labour did that VB linked to, that’s a problem. And frankly, I don’t like the idea of being “Anti Israel” or “Anti Zionism.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:23:16am

re: #85 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They still control the Presidency, the Senate and Fox News, and are tipping the SCOTUS as well.

That’s not the same thing. The Presidency that is unpopular at the moment, The Senate that they only retained since they had a favorable map last fall, and FNC? FNC is losing viewers. I’m sorry but I know you have this fatalistic view but they’re not winning the narrative on the GND. I wouldn’t say we are necessarily either but people aren’t going around fretting that AOC is going to take their hamburgers and airplanes. FNC, the White House, and hte GOP Senate want that narrative yes but I don’t think they’re going to get much leeway on it beyond people who already believe their crap anyhow.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:25:27am

Photoshoppers are having a festival

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:25:42am

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Well yeah that’s what I mean. Criticizing Bibi for being a bigot, more friendly to American domestic far right nuts than President Obama, and his double standards (his administration calling out Poland’s Anti-Semitic history while still being buddy bud with Orban and Hungary, his increasing alliance with Putin, etc all valid. But when you post what Labour did that VB linked to, that’s a problem. And frankly, I don’t like the idea of being “Anti Israel” or “Anti Zionism.”

And let us not forget all those staunch “supporters of Israel” from the Religious Right who don’t care at all about Jews and think they are all going to Hell for rejecting the Savior, but nonetheless want to see a resurgent Israel in order to bring about their own morbid End-Times Prophecies.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:27:32am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And let us not forget all those staunch “supporters of Israel” from the Religious Right who don’t care at all about Jews and think they are all going to Hell for rejecting the Savior, but nonetheless want to see a resurgent Israel in order to bring about their own morbid End-Times Prophecies.

Bib thinks he can control these fuckers but he is wrong, they control him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:28:22am

re: #92 The Vicious Babushka

Bib thinks he can control these fuckers but he is wrong, they control him.

Each is trying to use the other to further their own ends, they will both wind up driving each other over a cliff.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:29:49am

re: #91 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And let us not forget all those staunch “supporters of Israel” from the Religious Right who don’t care at all about Jews and think they are all going to Hell for rejecting the Savior, but nonetheless want to see a resurgent Israel in order to bring about their own morbid End-Times Prophecies.

That’s correct.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:35:50am

I do think Bibi is awful for Israel and a lot of that comes from how he acts. It’s the being more hospitable to the American far right than its President. The way he treated Obama, I will never forgive Bibi for. Showing Glenn Beck more deference than Obama was disgusting. But there’s also the double standards as I said.

As a gentile of Eastern European descent, I’m definitely aware that Poland and other countries in the former Soviet bloc have awful histories of Anti-Semitism. My college term paper was on Anti-Semitism in Russia in the reigns of Alexander III and Nicholas II FWIW. But where Bibi really completely loses me is when he and his government attack Poland for its history while still partnering with Hungary whose history is probably even worse.

I also think Bibi plays a dangerous game by being more friendly towards American Christian Right members than American Jews as well. One of my earliest political memories was when Prime Minister Rabin was assassinated. I was young and had no idea who he was but I knew it was a sad moment. The issue to me in the end isn’t Israel, it’s Israeli policy. Just as the issue isn’t America with Trump, it’s Trump and our policies.

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:36:16am

re: #54 lawhawk

Nielsen knew that the question was coming about who was in custody, the number of children separated, and what happened to those children, and whether all those children were reunited with their parents.

She blew the answers in the worst way, and the reality is that Trump and Nielsen broke multiple laws and court orders in the process. Her resignation should be demanded, followed by Trump’s given the nature of the crime. Arguably DHS policy is to engage in human trafficking. …

Durbin is demanding it, and gathering Senators. Got the email.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:37:02am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

At least the RNC is aware that the absence of a GOP primary means they can devote all their efforts to ratfucking the DNC primary.

Morning

Are you sure there is not going to be a GOP primary?

With the polls turning on Trump and the Democrats going after him more and more the GOP would be foolish to not try to primary him.

Yes, I know they can be foolish. But they would also have to be willing to lose the presidency and all of Congress with the way things are going right now. And what party is willing to try that? Certainly not the power hungry GOP.

I would hold out until maybe the end of August or so to make that claim of no GOP primary.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:38:11am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Morning

Are you sure there is not going to be a GOP primary?

With the polls turning on Trump and the Democrats going after him more and more the GOP would be foolish to not try to primary him…

This is more wishful thinking than I am willing to allow myself at this point

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:40:09am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Morning

Are you sure there is not going to be a GOP primary?

With the polls turning on Trump and the Democrats going after him more and more the GOP would be foolish to not try to primary him.

Yes, I know they can be foolish. But they would also have to be willing to lose the presidency and all of Congress with the way things are going right now. And what party is willing to try that? Certainly not the power hungry GOP.

I would hold out until maybe the end of August or so to make that claim of no GOP primary.

Weld is running in the GOP primary. It’s definitely going to flop but I think Weld will keep loud enough.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:40:18am

re: #97 ObserverArt

Morning

Are you sure there is not going to be a GOP primary?

With the polls turning on Trump and the Democrats going after him more and more the GOP would be foolish to not try to primary him.

Yes, I know they can be foolish. But they would also have to be willing to lose the presidency and all of Congress with the way things are going right now. And what party is willing to try that? Certainly not the power hungry GOP.

I would hold out until maybe the end of August or so to make that claim of no GOP primary.

It will be interesting because the RNC has declared they won’t support candidates running against Trump.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:40:48am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is more wishful thinking than I am willing to allow myself at this point

You’re forgetting that Weld is running. He’s not going to win but expect him to chink some of Trump’s armor.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:41:22am

re: #100 Belafon

It will be interesting because the RNC has declared they won’t support candidates running against Trump.

I think that’s normal though. I doubt the RNC blessed Pat Buchanan’s challenge to Bush in 1992 for example.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:44:55am

TBH I wish another Republican was running against Trump. Weld hasn’t been elected as a Republican in years. This really would be the equivalent of a conservative Dem who last served in office in the 80’s primarying Obama. I think Weld who does have the money and willingness will go after Trump but I think its impact will be minimal. That’s really not his fault but more an indictment of just how far the GOP base has moved to the right since he was Massachusetts’ governor.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:46:57am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

Weld is running in the GOP primary. It’s definitely going to flop but I think Weld will keep loud enough.

Won’t happen. Weld won’t win a single delegate.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:47:33am

Your red meat Fox News headline of the morning:

DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CHAOS OVER ANTI-SEMITISM RESOLUTION

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:48:34am

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

Your red meat Fox News headline of the morning:

DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CHAOS OVER ANTI-SEMITISM RESOLUTION

It beats the alternative:

Trump campaign manager Manafort going away to prison for the rest of his life (sentencing is at 3pm).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:48:58am

re: #104 Joe Bacon 🌹

Won’t happen. Weld won’t win a single delegate.

Yeah I’d be shocked if he won a single one but I’d love it if he even got one and bruised Trump’s yuuuuuuuge ego by not getting him renominated unanimously.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:49:56am

re: #106 lawhawk

It beats the alternative:

Trump campaign manager Manafort going away to prison for the rest of his life (sentencing is at 3pm).

Aka the hard truths that they don’t want to tell their viewers.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:53:59am

re: #105 Eclectic Cyborg

Your red meat Fox News headline of the morning:

DEMOCRATIC PARTY IN CHAOS OVER ANTI-SEMITISM RESOLUTION

The anti-semitism resolution now condemns anti-semitism, islamophobia, and other forms of hate, and it does not mention Omar, which is good because it was never going to mention King and other members of the GOP.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:54:26am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

Aka the hard truths that they don’t want to tell their viewers.

Is a “news” network really news if they spend 22 out of the 24 hours a day spewing agitprop and misinformation at their viewers. Running a scroll of headlines at the bottom isn’t news when the talking heads are running conspiracy stories and misinformation (from Fox and Friends to Hannity and everything in between).

I’d argue not.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:55:29am

re: #70 lawhawk

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More bulkshit from the Times.

Until then, the Times is carrying the GOP’s water.

Is this actual Times ‘reporting’ or an opinion piece? Your link seems to go to some kind of a podcast or something.

I am not a big fan of the Times, but I do like to be aware if it is their actual reporters or if they are getting outside opinions for ‘balance’ etc.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 7:58:31am

re: #111 ObserverArt

I feel the same about WaPo. They do some great reporting but then they find these RW douchenozzles to write nauseating op-eds. Annoying.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:01:01am

Here, BTW, is something Rep. Omar is referring to with regards to Israel:

Airbnb is the Latest Target of Texas’ Anti-BDS Crusade:

Texas has blacklisted an American company for, as the state sees it, opposing Israel. Using the power of its purse, Texas is sanctioning Airbnb for purportedly ceding to pressure from activists with the boycott, divest and sanction movement that targets Israel for its treatment of Palestinians.

The short-term rental giant announced in November that it would ban the listing of rentals in settlements, which most of the international community view as illegal, in Israel-occupied West Bank.

The Airbnb ban comes a few months after the anti-BDS law prompted free speech lawsuits against the state. A speech pathologist lost her job with the Pflugerville Independent School District when she refused to sign a contract affirming that she would not boycott Israel. She filed a lawsuit against the district and the state. Soon thereafter, the ACLU filed a lawsuit on behalf of four Texans who are arguing that the law violates their First Amendment rights.

Guess which PAC that advocates for Israel supported the federal bill that would punish US companies for boycotting Israel?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:03:41am

re: #113 Belafon

Here, BTW, is something Rep. Omar is referring to with regards to Israel:

Airbnb is the Latest Target of Texas’ Anti-BDS Crusade:

Guess which PAC that advocates for Israel supported the federal bill that would punish US companies for boycotting Israel?

and there’s yer loyalty oath

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:04:02am

re: #113 Belafon

Excuse my ignorance, but what is BDS?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:05:12am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse my ignorance, but what is BDS?

tryin’ to figure that out? Bondage Discipline Sadism (without Masochism?)

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:05:12am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse my ignorance, but what is BDS?

boycott, divest and sanction

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:05:29am

re: #98 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is more wishful thinking than I am willing to allow myself at this point

My post has nothing to do with me doing any kind of wishful thinking. Sometimes it can just be a comment about politics in general. And that was what I was attempting.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:05:45am

re: #115 Eclectic Cyborg

Excuse my ignorance, but what is BDS?

en.wikipedia.org

The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions movement (also known as BDS) is a global campaign promoting various forms of boycott against Israel until it meets what the campaign describes as Israel’s “obligations under international law”,[1] defined as withdrawal from the occupied territories, removal of the separation barrier in the West Bank, full equality for Arab-Palestinian citizens of Israel, and “respecting, protecting, and promoting the rights of Palestinian refugees to return to their homes and properties”.[1] The campaign is organized and coordinated by the Palestinian BDS National Committee.[2]

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:05:48am

re: #117 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

boycott, divest and sanction

and malign

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:07:44am

Whether or not you support it, the fact is that the US government should not be going after companies or people for supporting it, or as above, requiring people or companies to submit to opposing it to operate.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:10:41am

re: #121 Belafon

Whether or not you support it, the fact is that the US government should not be going after companies or people for supporting it, or as above, requiring people or companies to submit to opposing it to operate.

again, lots of people confuse opposition to the Israeli government with anti-Semitism. Others of them know better and are just using it to tarnish their opponents

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:11:51am

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

I feel the same about WaPo. They do some great reporting but then they find these RW douchenozzles to write nauseating op-eds. Annoying.

I don’t know how long you have followed newspaper political coverage, but there is a long history of having opinions from others outside the political slant of the newspaper.

This is nothing new. But with the huge split in politics today it seems so drastic to see an conservative opinion in The Times or WaPo.

When I was much younger and reading papers a lot, the contrasts between the parties were not so damn extreme and overworked. It was actually informative to read both sides opinions. Now? It’s fucking nuts.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:12:41am

re: #121 Belafon

Whether or not you support it, the fact is that the US government should not be going after companies or people for supporting it, or as above, requiring people or companies to submit to opposing it to operate.

Yeah I adamantly disagree with the BDS movement but companies should not be punished for having that policy on our soil. And that reaction I think is really what fuels a lot of frustration. That American citizens are punished for opposing a foreign country’s actions.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:14:04am

re: #110 lawhawk

Is a “news” network really news if they spend 22 out of the 24 hours a day spewing agitprop and misinformation at their viewers. Running a scroll of headlines at the bottom isn’t news when the talking heads are running conspiracy stories and misinformation (from Fox and Friends to Hannity and everything in between).

I’d argue not.

I don’t. I consider them Trump whisperers.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:19:17am

re: #119 Belafon

Thank you! Much appreciated.

I must admit, as a Canadian, I’ve always found the U.S. / Israel relationship rather vexing. I just don’t understand why some people feel the two countries need to be permanently joined at the hip on almost all things.

Don’t get me wrong, I support the Jewish people and the right of the state of Israel to exist, but that doesn’t mean that those of us in America should blindly support Israel no matter what it does.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:19:41am

re: #125 HappyWarrior

I don’t. I consider them Trump whisperers screamers

FTFY

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:24:16am
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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:26:34am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

I really think that’s how we need to start framing it. If you don’t like abortion, keep your sperm to yourself.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:27:03am

re: #24 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

{breathes}

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:30:37am

I don’t want to poke a hornets nest, but could some of the Jewish contributors clear something up for me. I have what must be a historic misunderstanding.

Has any criticism of the government, politicians and policy of Israel always been tied to the Jewish people’s race and religion so as to be considered antisemitism?

I always separated the two. And if this is the new norm, when did this start or has it always been like this and I just never saw and understood it?

To me this all seems somewhat recent as with all crazy politics of the late 20th century now into the new.

Is it the politics that has tied the two together to eliminate criticisms or what is the reason? I don’t see any government as untouchable from criticism. But at times there seems to be an untouchable element to Israel the political entity.

And it sure is being used as a hammer these days.

I wonder if this attitude is more an American way of thinking for both American political and religious interests?

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:32:49am

re: #130 MsJ

Did you hear that Democrats are willing to elect minorities, Jews, Muslims, and women?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:34:39am

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

A 16 year-old in Alabama had an abortion at 6 weeks even though her 19 year-old boyfriend opposed it. Now he’s being allowed to sue on behalf of the fetus, and the case could redefine what it means to be a person in America

They are going after any and every angle they can find to outlaw abortions.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:36:03am

re: #131 ObserverArt

Has any criticism of the government, politicians and policy of Israel always been tied to the Jewish people’s race and religion so as to be considered antisemitism?

I always separated the two. And if this is the new norm, when did this start or has it always been like this and I just never saw and understood it?

I think that any rational person will. But if opposition to the Israeli government’s policies can be framed as Anti-Semitism to besmirch an opponent, then lots of people will take that approach.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:38:02am

And remember all those Fundamentalists who don’t give a hoot about Jews or Judaism but support Israel because they need it to precipitate Armageddon and bring Jesus back to Earth to rain Judgement down on all those unbelievers…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:41:00am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The GOP is doing a great job of presenting the GND as being all about taking away our hamburgers and our airlines, making us live in lean-tos and wipe our butts with dry leaves…

It’s the Frank Luntz approach — control the message through dishonest characterization and you win the argument with the public. Democrats have to fight back with similar weapons. We can’t allow them to persuade people that it’s too expensive to save life on the planet.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:41:37am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that any rational person will. But if opposition to the Israeli government’s policies can be framed as Anti-Semitism to besmirch an opponent, then lots of people will take that approach.

IIRC, that approach is what got Cato The Elder whacked with the ban hammer.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:41:55am

re: #135 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And remember all those Fundamentalists who don’t give a hoot about Jews of Judaism but support Israel because they need it to precipitate Armageddon

That is why I added the bit about this being an American political hammer.

I’d like to know if this thinking is more recent maybe even being pumped up by Netanyahu.

I don’t remember it being so seemingly automatic a call in the past.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:42:02am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the Frank Luntz approach — control the message through dishonest characterization and you win the argument with the public. Democrats have to fight back with similar weapons. We can’t allow them to persuade people that it’s too expensive to save life on the planet.

Lies and chaos are much easier to spread than truth and order…so the GOP will always be at an advantage.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:42:16am

re: #131 ObserverArt

And it sure is being used as a hammer these days.

Mostly to hammer on Ilhan Omar because she’s a dark-skinned Muslim.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:42:57am

re: #138 ObserverArt

That is why I added the bit about this being an American political hammer.

I’d like to know if this thinking is more recent maybe even being pumped up by Netanyahu.

I don’t remember it being so seemingly automatic a call in the past.

It is all about a Somali-American Congresswoman in a headscarf…

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Citizen K  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:43:05am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the Frank Luntz approach — control the message through dishonest characterization and you win the argument with the public. Democrats have to fight back with similar weapons. We can’t allow them to persuade people that it’s too expensive to save life on the planet.

The problem there is not just a matter of effective language, but whose language gets amplified. We can wordsmith all we want, and we’ll still lose out on the message wars most times because not only does the GOP have its own pet propaganda network, but other outlets continue to decide that the GOP has the monopoly on truth, or at the very least ‘insight’. Thus GOP characterizations never get initial pushback, while Dem narratives are questioned constantly, even when proven right.

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:43:44am

Posts of Interest!

Driftglass: Breaking! Ermahgerd! Fox News Lies! Like, All The Time!

Juanita Jean (whose son is the lawyer suing Alex Jones for the Sandy Hook parents): Keeping Up With Alex Jones

Stonekettle: Last Refuge

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:44:16am

re: #131 ObserverArt

I don’t want to poke a hornets nest, but could some of the Jewish contributors clear something up for me. I have what must be a historic misunderstanding.

Has any criticism of the government, politicians and policy of Israel always been tied to the Jewish people’s race and religion so as to be considered antisemitism?

I always separated the two. And if this is the new norm, when did this start or has it always been like this and I just never saw and understood it?

To me this all seems somewhat recent as with all crazy politics of the late 20th century now into the new.

Is it the politics that has tied the two together to eliminate criticisms or what is the reason? I don’t see any government as untouchable from criticism. But at times there seems to be an untouchable element to Israel the political entity.

And it sure is being used as a hammer these days.

I wonder if this attitude is more an American way of thinking for both American political and religious interests?

There have always been a few people and groups who treat any criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, and, like other fringe groups, they are very loud.

There have always been people who cloak their anti-semitism as criticism of Israel. (“I’m not ani-semitic, I’m anti-zionist!”)

Since open anti-semitism is becoming more and more prevalent, this whole area of discourse is a lot more fraught than it has been in the past.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:47:46am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the Frank Luntz approach — control the message through dishonest characterization and you win the argument with the public. Democrats have to fight back with similar weapons. We can’t allow them to persuade people that it’s too expensive to save life on the planet.

Well, I’d start by going after the Religious Right and ask how they can ignore such a basic need as protecting what God created?

And then on a political level I’d roll out my favorite the Preamble to the US Constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

What is more important to the people of this country to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty than to breath and live.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:48:09am

re: #136 Hecuba’s daughter

It’s the Frank Luntz approach — control the message through dishonest characterization and you win the argument with the public. Democrats have to fight back with similar weapons. We can’t allow them to persuade people that it’s too expensive to save life on the planet.

If by similar weapons you mean dishonest characterization, then no. What we have to do is highlight their bad faith arguments. When they argue opposite viewpoints on different days, ask them which they believe and hold them to it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:49:46am

re: #144 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

There have always been a few people and groups who treat any criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, and, like other fringe groups, they are very loud.

There have always been people who cloak their anti-semitism as criticism of Israel. (“I’m not ani-semitic, I’m anti-zionist!”)

Since open anti-semitism is becoming more and more prevalent, this whole area of discourse is a lot more fraught than it has been in the past.

Discourse? You mean the nuance-free-zone Shouting Match?

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:50:12am

re: #145 ObserverArt

Well, I’d start by going after the Religious Right and ask how they can ignore such a basic need as protecting what God created?

And then on a political level I’d roll out my favorite the Preamble to the US Constitution.

What is more important to the people of this country to promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty than to breath and live.

They will turn that back on you as arguments against abortion.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:50:43am

Since Omar is wearing a headscarf, it is assumed by many that she seeks Jihad and Death to all Jewish Infidels. Makes it an easy argument to sell.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:51:10am

re: #140 jaunte

Mostly to hammer on Ilhan Omar because she’s a dark-skinned Muslim.

re: #141 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is all about a Somali-American Congresswoman in a headscarf…

Oh for sure, but it is also used by Benny Shapiro and others too. This isn’t a totally new thing, but then it might not be all that old either. That is why I am trying to figure out when it became so political.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:51:56am

re: #150 ObserverArt

Oh for sure, but it is also used by Benny Shapiro and others too. This isn’t a totally new thing, but then it might not be all that old either. That is why I am trying to figure out when it became so political.

It is even more pressing now that the GOP has lost the House…

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:55:14am

re: #144 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

There have always been a few people and groups who treat any criticism of Israel as anti-semitic, and, like other fringe groups, they are very loud.

There have always been people who cloak their anti-semitism as criticism of Israel. (“I’m not ani-semitic, I’m anti-zionist!”)

Since open anti-semitism is becoming more and more prevalent, this whole area of discourse is a lot more fraught than it has been in the past.

The Right: JOOS secretly control the world and are the cause of its problems.
Also the Right: You can’t speak out against Israel because God won’t return.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:56:48am

re: #152 Belafon

The Right: JOOS secretly control the world and are the cause of its problems.
Also the Right: You can’t speak out against Israel because God won’t return.

Schrödinger’s Semite

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:57:24am

Black Keys have dropped a new single (1st in 5 years) and may be offing a new album and/or tour?!:

The Black Keys - Lo/Hi [Official Audio]

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Teukka  Mar 7, 2019 • 8:59:47am

re: #152 Belafon

The Right: JOOS secretly control the world and are the cause of its problems.
Also the Right: You can’t speak out against Israel because God won’t return.

Not to mention what answer you get when you ask them what happens at the end of days when someone doesn’t believe Jesus is Lord…

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:02:28am

re: #147 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Discourse? You mean the nuance-free-zone Shouting Match?

No, I mean discourse. If you want to spend your time arguing with and channeling wingnuts, that’s your privilege.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:03:09am

re: #155 Teukka

when someone doesn’t believe Jesus is Lord…

“How can you be a Real American if you’re actually a royalist?”

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:03:29am

re: #148 retired cynic

They will turn that back on you as arguments against abortion.

If the environment no longer supports human life, then isn’t that the ultimate abortion?

And that abortion of the entire human race will have been done by God.

And if God is nature then God often aborts fetuses naturally known as a miscarriage.

But none of that argument matters if no one is around to make it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:04:01am

re: #146 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

If by similar weapons you mean dishonest characterization, then no. What we have to do is highlight their bad faith arguments. When they argue opposite viewpoints on different days, ask them which they believe and hold them to it.

I don’t mean lies — but let’s promote those themes and pictures that will grab the public even if they may be (or may not be) overstated. Fear sells. Polar bears starving — oceans dying — children starving —- this is the type of message that may attract attention if it’s promoted diligently enough. We don’t need the Chicago Tribune’s lazy editorials that we can’t afford the GND — that we should promote small measures that basically have no cost in order to fight the greatest danger to our life (maybe second greatest to all-out nuclear war) that we are facing.

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Old Liberal  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:04:04am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I think you can certainly be critical of the Israeli government without being anti Semitic but I think there unfortunately is Anti Semitism that does exist that comes out in regards to Israel and far left movements do it.

Sadly there are only SOME people who can do certain things. Only Nixon could go to China, only a right wing Republican dare say we were lied into Iraq, only Jewish people can criticize Israel and then only some, but only the drumpf thing is able to say and do anything and get away with it. Which is amazing and appalling. Neither the press nor the republicans constrain the orange asshole

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:07:48am

Off to do Healthy Exercise. Ugh.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:13:08am

re: #161 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Off to do Healthy Exercise. Ugh.

It does a body good.

//

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:13:25am

re: #148 retired cynic

They will turn that back on you as arguments against abortion.

Remember the James Watt argument: Why worry about the environment when Jesus is coming soon anyways?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:15:59am

re: #163 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remember the James Watt argument: Why worry about the environment when Jesus is coming soon anyways?

It’a always infrastructure week.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:37:30am

Sherrod Brown isn’t going to run.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:43:23am

re: #165 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Sherrod Brown isn’t going to run.

I personally think that’s the best place for Warren as well.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:43:39am

re: #165 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Sherrod Brown isn’t going to run.

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This does not surprise me.

I have a suspicion he doesn’t want to fight a presidential run in this political atmosphere. He is an old time type politician/wonk type. Getting down and dirty really is not his game.

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KerFuFFler  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:45:46am

Here’s something that pushed all the frustrating news out of my head for a bit:

I was playing with my 2 1/2 year old grandson with an old pair of opera glasses. I handed them to him and said, “these are binoculars…….binoculars,” repeating the word to help him absorb it. His retort? “No, they’re MY noculars!”

Just a reminder, Trump doesn’t ruin everything. Yay

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:48:14am

re: #168 KerFuFFler

That’s too cute. :)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:49:36am

re: #168 KerFuFFler

Here’s something that pushed all the frustrating news out of my head for a bit:

I was playing with my 2 1/2 year old grandson with an old pair of opera glasses. I handed them to him and said, “these are binoculars…….binoculars,” repeating the word to help him absorb it. His retort? “No, they’re MY noculars!”

Just a reminder, Trump doesn’t ruin everything. Yay

“What? You have two wives? That’s bigamy!”

“Yeah, that’s-a big of me, too!”

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:50:12am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

Thank you! Much appreciated.

I must admit, as a Canadian, I’ve always found the U.S. / Israel relationship rather vexing. I just don’t understand why some people feel the two countries need to be permanently joined at the hip on almost all things.

Don’t get me wrong, I support the Jewish people and the right of the state of Israel to exist, but that doesn’t mean that those of us in America should blindly support Israel no matter what it does.

I support a Jewish state. It’s hard to support them when they act horrible and if they keep electing horrible people it makes it harder and harder to support them.

I am American and I support America…which is also hard when we have people like trump and his cabal of monsters in charge.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:51:32am

re: #171 MsJ

I support a Jewish state. It’s hard to support them when they act horrible and if they keep electing horrible people it makes it harder and harder to support them.

I am American and I support America…which is also hard when we have people like trump and his cabal of monsters in charge.

I also support a Palestinian state, even when they elect horrible people…really sucks, don’t it?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:56:06am

moron…that’s not how any of this works

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 9:59:50am

Someone run out and grab more popcorn. The supply is running dangerously low.

Michael Cohen is suing Trump over unpaid legal bills.

The discovery phase of this would be a mess. Trump will claim he didn’t have adequate/competent legal representation, and Cohen will rebut with evidence he did, and that these were legitimate expenses.

As we’ve known all along Trump hates to pay his vendors. He’s stiffed his lawyers too - refusing to pay them even when he admits that they did a good job for him.

That’s one of the reasons Trump had such a hard time finding anyone to represent his sorry corrupt ass in all these investigations.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:03:09am

So funny.

This…

Spawned this…

Which spawned this…

Which (thus far) ended in this…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:03:47am

re: #171 MsJ

I support a Jewish state. It’s hard to support them when they act horrible and if they keep electing horrible people it makes it harder and harder to support them.

I am American and I support America…which is also hard when we have people like trump and his cabal of monsters in charge.

Not only is Netanyahu terrible, he is aligning himself with politicians even more evil than he, anything to retain power. Truth and decency are in retreat around the world — although our 2018 election at least provided a ray of sunshine here. I am hoping that Israel regains its sanity with the April elections; if not, the Middle East is doomed, especially with the monsters in our White House poisoning everything they touch.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:04:03am
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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:11:00am

re: #174 lawhawk

Someone run out and grab more popcorn. The supply is running dangerously low.

Michael Cohen is suing Trump over unpaid legal bills.

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The discovery phase of this would be a mess. Trump will claim he didn’t have adequate/competent legal representation, and Cohen will rebut with evidence he did, and that these were legitimate expenses.

As we’ve known all along Trump hates to pay his vendors. He’s stiffed his lawyers too - refusing to pay them even when he admits that they did a good job for him.

That’s one of the reasons Trump had such a hard time finding anyone to represent his sorry corrupt ass in all these investigations.

And the second Trump references the competency of the advice received from Cohen, attorney client privilege goes out the window…

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:13:04am

re: #178 Mike Lamb

And the second Trump references the competency of the advice received from Cohen, attorney client privilege goes out the window…

Ding ding ding. The entirety of the lawsuit goes to the competency of Cohen’s legal advice on issues, and opens the door to seeing what was worked on. Discovery is going to be a *bitch* for both of them.

It couldn’t happen to two more deserving people.

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gwangung  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:13:14am

re: #178 Mike Lamb

And the second Trump references the competency of the advice received from Cohen, attorney client privilege goes out the window…

Heh. And I doubt ANYONE will bet against this happening….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:13:55am
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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:14:13am

re: #177 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I can’t wait to see the Rotten Tomato reviews on this remake. //

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:15:47am
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Teukka  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:16:48am

So… You’ve all heard “a murder of crows”, “a pride of lions”, “herd of sheep” etc.
Now, I give you the same for koala’s and ‘possums….

Facebook Post

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:18:30am

re: #182 Belafon

I can’t wait to see the Rotten Tomato reviews on this remake. //

And Mayim Bialik could play the role of Christina!

ED: To correct word

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:18:55am

re: #184 Teukka

Left off - a Trump of criminals.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:19:21am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:20:18am

re: #182 Belafon

I can’t wait to see the Rotten Tomato reviews on this remake. //

Gravity?

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:22:34am

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron…that’s not how any of this works

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:27:52am

Discovery could be glorious

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:28:35am

re: #187 MsJ

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And that’s why he needs to be investigated.

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Old Liberal  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:31:39am

re: #179 lawhawk

Ding ding ding. The entirety of the lawsuit goes to the competency of Cohen’s legal advice on issues, and opens the door to seeing what was worked on. Discovery is going to be a *bitch* for both of them.

It couldn’t happen to two more deserving people.

How long can trump string out a case like this? Five years?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:31:53am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

And that’s why he needs to be investigated.

And lose his clearance.

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Teukka  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:31:59am

So… Bill Browder filed charges with Swedish Police for money Russian laundering in Swedbank… I wonder, how far would law enforcement have to dig to get a Trump connection?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:32:29am

re: #194 Teukka

So… Bill Browder filed charges with Swedish Police for money Russian laundering in Swedbank… I wonder, how far would law enforcement have to dig to get a Trump to connection?

I’m thinking….not far.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:32:59am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:33:47am

re: #193 Eclectic Cyborg

And lose his clearance.

Yep. Should have never had it in the first place but he sleeps with Trump’s daughter so he’s cool.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:34:25am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Oh. That’s such great respect for a free press. Petty losers.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:37:43am

Right wing dishonesty, part (lost count).

Mollie Hemmingway pens piece defending Fox and attacks the DNC for revoking their plan to have a debate on Fox.

Hemmingway doesn’t bother to note that she’s a paid hack for… Fox. She then tries to play it off as though everyone knows. That’s besides the point. She’s required to note the potential conflict of interests. But what do you expect from an amoral cesspool like Fox?

In fact, Hemingway — who also works as an editor for The Federalist, a conservative opinion site started by serial plagiarist Ben Domenech — doubled down by mocking a Vox writer who noted the Fox News contributor’s failure to disclose her obvious conflict of interest.

“Dang it!! I was trying to keep it a secret, made more difficult by appearing on Fox News most nights,” Hemingway tweeted, before mockingly adding, “Such as tonight, on Special Report at 6 pm.”

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:37:55am

re: #180 gwangung

Heh. And I doubt ANYONE will bet against this happening….

Cohen probably brought suit because Trump is almost compelled to settle. He can’t have discovery into what he and Cohen discussed. No way.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:38:59am

538 proposed re-ordering the democratic Presidential primary calendar since Iowa and NH are extremely white states which don’t really reflect the Democratic coalition. The problem is that the top four states, Ill, NJ, NY and Fl, are all big states that are expensive to run in, so they don’t offer the opportunity to engage in retail politicking to give a candidate the opportunity to show their appeal without already having a lot of money. So I would suggest that the season kick off with two smaller states that are diverse: Nevada (because almost everyone in Nv lives in Vegas) and Delaware.

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bd (Emergency!)  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:39:01am

re: #165 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Sherrod Brown isn’t going to run.

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Dammit, it was my hope he’d run.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:40:22am

re: #200 Mike Lamb

Cohen probably brought suit because Trump is almost compelled to settle. He can’t have discovery into what he and Cohen discussed. No way.

Heh, that never occurred to me. Cohen may have a 100% surefire way to get money from Trump.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:41:42am

re: #202 bd (Emergency!)

Dammit, it was my hope he’d run.

I’m surprised. But it would’ve cost the Democrats a precious Senate seat if he won the presidency, and they need every single one they can get.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:43:08am

re: #200 Mike Lamb

Cohen probably brought suit because Trump is almost compelled to settle. He can’t have discovery into what he and Cohen discussed. No way.

You assume either of the is some kind of deep thinker.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:44:16am

re: #201 NO SMOCKING GUN!

538 proposed re-ordering the democratic Presidential primary calendar since Iowa and NH are extremely white states which don’t really reflect the Democratic coalition. The problem is that the top four states, Ill, NJ, Ny and Fl, are all big states that are expensive to run in, so they don’t offer the opportunity to engage in retail politicking to give a candidate the opportunity to show their appeal without already having a lot of money. So I would suggest that the season kick off with two smaller states that are diverse: Nevada (because almost everyone in Nv lives in Vegas) and Delaware.

I’d take that.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:45:40am

re: #199 lawhawk

Right wing dishonesty, part (lost count).

Mollie Hemmingway pens piece defending Fox and attacks the DNC for revoking their plan to have a debate on Fox.

Hemmingway doesn’t bother to note that she’s a paid hack for… Fox. She then tries to play it off as though everyone knows. That’s besides the point. She’s required to note the potential conflict of interests. But what do you expect from an amoral cesspool like Fox?

Mollie should check the FOX News ratings these days. She might be surprised how many people might not have a clue who she is. I am one.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:46:20am

re: #201 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Except, Nevada has a caucus, and the Democratic party should never inflate the importance of the woefully undemocratic caucus process

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:46:58am

re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Except, Nevada has a caucus, and the Democratic party should never inflate the importance of the woefully undemocratic caucus process

I wish the states would just get rid of caucuses.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:49:25am

I hate giving urine samples at the lab. Pipes just shut the fuck off when there’s a cup involved. Could have whipped out a semen sample in half the time.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:51:19am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:51:45am

re: #206 HappyWarrior

I’d take that.

Nevada and Delaware are also a good matched set, because compared to average, Nv is slightly less African-American and more Hispanic, and De is above average African-American and less Hispanic.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:51:55am

re: #200 Mike Lamb

Cohen probably brought suit because Trump is almost compelled to settle. He can’t have discovery into what he and Cohen discussed. No way.

Can Cohen refuse to settle and demand to carry the suit out, discovery included?

One thing I am considering is who Cohen is and what he was as a lawyer.

I’m thinking we have a lawyer that was hired as a bully and was pretty good at it and that is why Trump kept him around.

He hasn’t changed character, just now he is a pissed off bully lawyer that has decided he is going to go after his former client in the same nasty bully lawyer way.

Cohen may just become Donny’s biggest nightmare in more ways than Trump expected.

Michael Cohen is looking for paybacks alright. Money owned is not what he wants. He may want Trump’s head.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:52:50am

re: #208 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Except, Nevada has a caucus, and the Democratic party should never inflate the importance of the woefully undemocratic caucus process

Though Iowa is also a caucus, so even if we can’t get Nv to change to a primary, its no loss.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:53:56am

re: #210 darthstar

I hate giving urine samples at the lab. Pipes just shut the fuck off when there’s a cup involved. Could have whipped out a semen sample in half the time.

Drink A LOT before you go in. And run the faucet; that always gets me going.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:54:33am

re: #211 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yes, Mitch, voting is a social act, and all eligible citizens should be allowed to vote.

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:54:34am

Just finished Behind The Bastards second episode on Trump University.

Trump was running 2 phony colleges at the same time. Trump University and The Trump Institute.

Taking desperate people’s money for nothing.

Vile.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:55:48am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Can Cohen refuse to settle and demand to carry the suit out, discovery included?

One thing I am considering is who Cohen is and what he was as a lawyer.

I’m thinking we have a lawyer that was hired as a bully and was pretty good at it and that is why Trump kept him around.

He hasn’t changed character, just now he is a pissed off bully lawyer that has decided he is going to go after his former client in the same nasty bully lawyer way.

Cohen may just become Donny’s biggest nightmare in more ways than Trump expected.

Michael Cohen is looking for paybacks alright. Money owned is not what he wants. He may want Trump’s head.

If Trump cuts him a check for the full amount Cohen’s asking for, then there is nothing left to litigate. You can’t go on fishing expeditions against people you don’t have a claim against.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:56:25am

re: #217 plansbandc

Just finished Behind The Bastards second episode on Trump University.

Trump was running 2 phony colleges at the same time. Trump University and The Trump Institute.

Taking desperate people’s money for nothing.

Vile.

You listen to that too? Fascinating podcast imo. I listened to their one on the Reagan’s.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:58:00am

re: #218 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If Trump cuts him a check for the full amount Cohen’s asking for, then there is nothing left to litigate. You can’t go on fishing expeditions against people you don’t have a claim against.

That makes sense. Thanks.

I wonder though if Trump being Trump would refuse to cut that check and want the fight?

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 10:58:32am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Can Cohen refuse to settle and demand to carry the suit out, discovery included?

One thing I am considering is who Cohen is and what he was as a lawyer.

I’m thinking we have a lawyer that was hired as a bully and was pretty good at it and that is why Trump kept him around.

He hasn’t changed character, just now he is a pissed off bully lawyer that has decided he is going to go after his former client in the same nasty bully lawyer way.

Cohen may just become Donny’s biggest nightmare in more ways than Trump expected.

Michael Cohen is looking for paybacks alright. Money owned is not what he wants. He may want Trump’s head.

Ok. Cool, cool.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:00:28am

re: #220 ObserverArt

That makes sense. Thanks.

I wonder though if Trump being Trump would refuse to cut that check and want the fight?

If - and that’s a big “if” - Trump has any sort of decent legal counsel currently, they’ll tell him to pay Cohen in full and make it go away because discovery could open a can of worms that (from Trump’s POV) he really doesn’t opened.

Of course, Trump being Trump, there’s a good chance he’d ignore such advice and fight it anyway. He can’t help himself.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:02:01am

Included is the timeline of events, and what fees are being sought and from whom (notably, it’s not just Trump org, but the campaign).

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retired cynic  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:02:33am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:05:25am

re: #202 bd (Emergency!)

Dammit, it was my hope he’d run.

To be honest, I haven’t really looked at ANY of the prospective candidates to date. I am waiting for the field to solidify a bit more before I will even start looking at anyone seriously. Bernie is a non—starter from the git go. But (a big but) if he somehow wins the nomination I’ll hold my nose and vote for him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:06:05am

re: #224 retired cynic

Bob Cesca:

Conspiracy Theory
Huge Study Finds No Link Between Vaccines, Autism

Well duh. Speaking as someone on the spectrum, the reason why “more people” have ASD syndromes now is it’s detected earlier. I have no doubt if I were ten or even five years younger, it would have been noticed before my teens.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:06:20am

re: #220 ObserverArt

That makes sense. Thanks.

I wonder though if Trump being Trump would refuse to cut that check and want the fight?

He cut a big check to settle the Trump University case.

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:09:55am

re: #215 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Drink A LOT before you go in. And run the faucet; that always gets me going.

Me too!

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darthstar  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:12:46am

Okay…enough playing on the wifi at the club - Figured I might as well start swimming again since I’m not working. Got 1,000 yards in today…pretty good for a fat guy in a Speedo.

Later, everyone.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:14:17am

re: #228 darthstar

Me too!

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Yeah, we were talking about the URINE samples, not the other kind!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:20:02am

re: #230 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Yeah, we were talking about the URINE samples, not the other kind!

LMAO.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:20:58am

On a totally different Trump topic: How did Trump get 17 million from an insurance company for supposed hurricane damage at a property without having a claim adjuster reviewing the damage and providing a report? Isn’t the allegation that his property did not suffer such damage? Why would an insurance company pay this amount out to a claimant without legitimate support for the damage?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:21:10am

re: #222 Dr Lizardo

If - and that’s a big “if” - Trump has any sort of decent legal counsel currently, they’ll tell him to pay Cohen in full and make it go away because discovery could open a can of worms that (from Trump’s POV) he really doesn’t opened.

Of course, Trump being Trump, there’s a good chance he’d ignore such advice and fight it anyway. He can’t help himself.

plus:
- spend money / write a check? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!
- and for the full amount? that’s the same as losing/admitting it

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Alephnaught  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:22:46am

Been noticing for the past couple of days similar promoted tweets in my Twitter feed from the Scottish outlet of the UK government: all promoting the message that Scotland would do better as part of the UK than part of the EU.

The irony is in taking this position the UK government is re-inforcing the idea that Scotland has to choose between the UK and EU, when the past two referendum results have already shown what Scotland prefers.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:23:19am

re: #233 Man, DangerMan

plus:
- spend money / write a check? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!
- and for the full amount? that’s the same as losing/admitting it

Only admitting he owed Cohen money. it keeps possibly embarrassing or incriminating documents out of the public sphere.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:24:05am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

On a totally different Trump topic: How did Trump get 17 million from an insurance company for supposed hurricane damage at a property without having a claim adjuster reviewing the damage and providing a report? Isn’t the allegation that his property did not suffer such damage? Why would an insurance company pay this amount out to a claimant without legitimate support for the damage?

kickbacks?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:25:21am

re: #235 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Only admitting he owed Cohen money. it keeps possibly embarrassing or incriminating documents out of the public sphere.

that’s losing. only losers pay. ;-)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:26:05am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

On a totally different Trump topic: How did Trump get 17 million from an insurance company for supposed hurricane damage at a property without having a claim adjuster reviewing the damage and providing a report? Isn’t the allegation that his property did not suffer such damage? Why would an insurance company pay this amount out to a claimant without legitimate support for the damage?

That is a great question that should be investigated. I sure can’t get a check for car damage without a repair estimate.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:26:28am
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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:29:05am

I don’t have pacer access, so we’ll have to wait to see more about this…

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:30:44am

re: #240 lawhawk

I don’t have pacer access, so we’ll have to wait to see more about this…

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What does that mean?

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:31:29am

re: #241 MsJ

My guess is that the court slapped down Corsi’s attempt to delay the case. Procedural in nature, but the court was having none of what Corsi was shoveling.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:31:36am

re: #241 MsJ

What does that mean?

Pacer is an online computer system for lawyers to download documents filed in federal cases.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:37:03am

re: #238 NO SMOCKING GUN!

That is a great question that should be investigated. I sure can’t get a check for car damage without a repair estimate.

Is it possible that his assertion of 17 million was a lie and that he received a much more modest payment?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:38:26am

re: #244 Hecuba’s daughter

Is it possible that his assertion of 17 million was a lie and that he received a much more modest payment?

Its always a safe bet to assume Trump is lying.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:38:50am

re: #242 lawhawk

My guess is that the court slapped down Corsi’s attempt to delay the case. Procedural in nature, but the court was having none of what Corsi was shoveling.

Good. Corsi and Jones in one day. Outstanding!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:59:53am

re: #233 Man, DangerMan

plus:
- spend money / write a check? aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhh!
- and for the full amount? that’s the same as losing/admitting it

Yep. And Trump’s ego probably won’t permit that.

OK, gotta call it a day - up early for work tomorrow.

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:23:50pm

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Doubt there’s an Adonis in the bunch.

Old guys who are into young women are weird.

The other side of the story can be equally weird

Had a client who kept a mistress until she got too old for his fetish.

He then (with her consent) replaced the mistress with her teenage daughter.

The ex-mistress mother subsequently became an executive/board of directors in his holding company.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:13:13pm

re: #128 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fine, if they are considered a person then. People should take out a life insurance policy on the collection of cells as soon as they are pronounced pregnant. Seeing as only about 30% of conceptions ends in a live birth, the insurance companies will be driven to bankruptcy in payouts.


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