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Alephnaught  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:41:36am

Been noticing for the past couple of days similar promoted tweets in my Twitter feed from the Scottish outlet of the UK government: all promoting the message that Scotland would do better as part of the UK than part of the EU.

The irony is: in taking this position the UK government is re-inforcing the idea that Scotland has to choose between the UK and EU, when the past two referendum results have already shown what Scotland prefers.

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ckkatz  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:45:57am

From the discussion of last thread. For those genuinely curious about separating legitimate criticism of Israel from Antisemitism, a good place to start is the “European Parliament Working Group on Antisemitism“‘s Working Definition of Antisemitism

ep-wgas.eu

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:46:05am

re: #1 Alephnaught

Please excuse if this is ignorant question, but what is stopping the UK government from calling for another vote on the issue of leaving or remaining?

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:47:52am

re: #3 jaunte

Please excuse if this is ignorant question, but what is stopping the UK government from calling for another vote on the issue of leaving or remaining?

Guts. Competence.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:50:37am

re: #4 MsJ

Guts. Competence.

The inability for the current government to give up power for the greater good.

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:51:19am

re: #5 Belafon

Gosh. That has a familiar ring to it.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:54:04am

re: #6 plansbandc

Gosh. That has a familiar ring to it.

It’s the right wing way. Torries, Republicans… All the same.

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jeffreyw  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:54:37am

Zen Master Bunny

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:56:30am

re: #7 MsJ

It’s the right wing way. Torries, Republicans… All the same.

And Corbyn seems to support Brexit as well. Unfortunately for the UK, there isn’t a single major political party which is foursquare in support of the EU, which is baffling to me.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:57:15am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:57:26am

re: #5 Belafon

The inability for the current government to give up power for the greater good.

The original referendum was due to Cameron’s mistaken confidence that it would fail; it is possible that the result could be the same this time. But could that be worse than the disaster that the UK is facing now? It’s a shame that the Labour Party is led by an anti-Semite and true believer in old-style obsolete programs who will do as much, if not more, damage than Theresa.

At least, for now, unless Bernie or Tulsi becomes the Democratic nominee, we are fortunate here that the Democratic Party leadership is sane and competent.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 11:58:56am

re: #9 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And Corbyn seems to support Brexit as well. Unfortunately for the UK, there isn’t a single major political party which is foursquare in support of the EU, which is baffling to me.

It’s like there isn’t a single top politician in the UK worth a shit.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:00:22pm

re: #8 jeffreyw

Zen Master Bunny

[This is a Viscacha, a large rodent from South America]

Can you be more specific? I wanna go see one.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:02:25pm

re: #12 MsJ

It’s like there isn’t a single top politician in the UK worth a shit.

Nicola Sturgeon is good people imo.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:03:17pm

re: #9 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And Corbyn seems to support Brexit as well. Unfortunately for the UK, there isn’t a single major political party which is foursquare in support of the EU, which is baffling to me.

The Brexit movie on HBO starring Benedict Cumberbatch starts with some historical footage about the EU. Margaret Thatcher complained about being in the Union, and how it hurt British sovereignty. The sentiment goes pretty much back to the beginning.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:06:22pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

Can you be more specific? I wanna go see one.

BFFs

Here’s one from Machu Picchu.

ETA: No, actually, two!

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:07:07pm

re: #15 Belafon

The Brexit movie on HBO starring Benedict Cumberbatch starts with some historical footage about the EU. Margaret Thatcher complained about being in the Union, and how it hurt British sovereignty. The sentiment goes pretty much back to the beginning.

Even earlier than that. The Brits wanted all the benefits of the EEC (which became the EC/EU) and none of the harms - particularly on what they perceived was decreased sovereignty.

They essentially wanted to be free riders and the EEC/EU didn’t play by that.

Now, the Brits are hoping to get preferential treatment even though they’re the ones taking a hike and will see no benefits. Businesses operating there will see reduced market opportunities outside the UK as trade barriers will be much higher, and so called new trade deal with the US is vaporware by Trump.

The only one benefiting from the Brexit is the Russians. They are watching chaos overspread all their rivals.

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garzooma  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:07:08pm

In the last thread, someone asked how the insurance company paid Trump $17M for storm damage. The AP did a story about this, and talked to the insurance adjuster. He didn’t really say much:

The insurance adjustor who assessed the insurance claim, Hank Stein of VeriClaim Inc., said there had been damage to Trump’s golf course in West Palm Beach and damage to Mar-a-Lago’s roof and landscaping. Stein called his review “a thorough investigation” but could not remember details. Trump declined to provide the AP with records about the insurance claim or answer specific questions about damage at Mar-a-Lago.

Stein, who has since left VeriClaim for another firm, said he remembered water damage from rain after windows to an observation deck atop the mansion blew open. “I wish I could give you some more information on the breakdown,” he said.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:09:46pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

Nicola Sturgeon is good people imo.

She has no control over the UK.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:10:16pm

re: #16 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

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Here’s one from Machu Picchu.

ETA: No, actually, two!

Almost as good as being there! Maybe better. Sounds like (from jaunte’s link and your pic) they dwell on cliffs.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:11:18pm

re: #19 MsJ

She has no control over the UK.

Sorry I missed top. And you’re right. Between Corbyn and May, they’re in a huge bind.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:14:13pm

re: #19 MsJ

She has no control over the UK.

So will she lead another attempt to leave the UK? Certainly the belief that the UK would remain in the EU was a contributing factor to the defeat of the 2014 Scottish referendum on independence.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:17:01pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Almost as good as being there! Maybe better. Sounds like (from jaunte’s link and your pic) they dwell on cliffs.

High altitude, like marmots, but I don’t think cliffs exactly. They live in colonies and eat vegetation. (Machu Picchu is surrounded by cliffs, but isn’t itself a cliff. Also, it’s terraced for agriculture.)

But what do I know? I just snap pictures.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:18:08pm

re: #22 Hecuba’s daughter

So will she lead another attempt to leave the UK? Certainly the belief that the UK would remain in the EU was a contributing factor to the defeat of the 2014 Scottish referendum on independence.

Fairly certain that will happen.

Then there’s Ireland and Northern Ireland.

They are totally fucking themselves. A thousand years of wars and colonization thrown out the window by idiots. Abs if they think they’ll get that back they’re high.

And that NHS they used to have? Good luck with that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:20:34pm

re: #3 jaunte

Please excuse if this is ignorant question, but what is stopping the UK government from calling for another vote on the issue of leaving or remaining?

It would force politicians to choose between losing face and admitting their mistake or tanking the economy and causing unnecessary suffering.

Any question on how they are going to on that issue?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:21:50pm

re: #24 MsJ

Fairly certain that will happen.

Then there’s Ireland and Northern Ireland.

They are totally fucking themselves. A thousand years of wars and colonization thrown out the window by idiots. Abs if they think they’ll get that back they’re high.

And that NHS they used to have? Good luck with that.

Some of my ancestors were from the NI/ROI borderlands. I don’t know if anyone still lives there that I’m fairly closely related to but they really are setting up conflict through the Brexit stupidity.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:22:41pm

re: #23 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

High altitude, like marmots, but I don’t think cliffs exactly. They live in colonies and eat vegetation. (Machu Picchu is surrounded by cliffs, but isn’t itself a cliff. Also, it’s terraced for agriculture.)

But what do I know? I just snap pictures.

I’ve seen a marmot (Montana). I guess it’s off to Machu Picchu! Thanks for the pic.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:23:37pm

re: #8 jeffreyw

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Zen Master Bunny

Is it a rodent, or a lagomorph, like rabbits?

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:25:32pm

re: #28 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is it a rodent, or a lagomorph, like rabbits?

Rodent. Chinchilla family.

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:28:48pm

re: #9 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And Corbyn seems to support Brexit as well. Unfortunately for the UK, there isn’t a single major political party which is foursquare in support of the EU, which is baffling to me.

Unfortunately, from everything I’ve read about the Brexit mess, the pro/anti, Leave/Remain split in British politics (which is(?was?) pretty much a 50-50 thing) cuts right across the political spectrum, there being Leavers and Remainers in both major parties: with, however, the Leave gang ending up in charge (May & Co.) determined to carry it through regardless of consequences, and regardless of Parliamentary opposition (as far as they can get away with it).

re: #17 lawhawk

Your analysis is correct, AFAICT: the fundamental issue with the UK being in the EU is (and always has been - it’s what sent Maggie Thatcher into her well-deserved retirement beforetime) the “sovereignty” issue. Which boils down to the Brits being fine with the economic advantages of being in “Europe” but hating the political compromises which came with it: mainly “overregulation”* and “immigration”**.

*Basically, ANY regulation: just like Republicans over here.
** Basically, paranoid xenophobia over “borders”, just like Republicans over here: even if the immediate focus of their animus is mainly white people (Eastern Europeans).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:29:03pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

Rodent. Chinchilla family.

Ah. Sure looks like a rabbit. Yes, I know, a lot of people think rabbits are rodents….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:30:12pm

re: #31 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Ah. Sure looks like a rabbit. Yes, I know, a lot of people think rabbits are rodents….

Must be the teeth and the burrowing…

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BlueGrl21  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:31:20pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Some of my ancestors were from the NI/ROI borderlands. I don’t know if anyone still lives there that I’m fairly closely related to but they really are setting up conflict through the Brexit stupidity.

Mine were Scots Irish, Dad’s side. One of my favorite family scenes ever was at Thanksgiving when I was about 10. My great-uncle married a British woman with the last name of Martin. She was very proud of her country of origin and her last name and would trot out her pedigree whenever possible.

This time when she went into her spiel my very drunk grandfather yelled, “Och, well, they were so fecking important they named a bird after ‘em!”

Yes, there is a long history there.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:32:26pm

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Must be the teeth and the burrowing…

Actually, IIRC it is the teeth that distinguish rodents from lagomorphs. Also, as far as I know American rabbits don’t burrow. That’s the European ones.

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sagehen  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:32:39pm

re: #16 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

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Here’s one from Machu Picchu.

ETA: No, actually, two!

Here they are in action:

Holy Grail - Killer Bunny

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jeffreyw  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:33:09pm

re: #28 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Is it a rodent, or a lagomorph, like rabbits?

Viscacha
Rodent
DescriptionViscachas or vizcachas are rodents of two genera in the family Chinchillidae. They are native to South America and look similar to, but are not closely related to rabbits. The viscacha looks much like a rabbit due to convergent evolution. Wikipedia
Length: Northern viscacha: 13 in. Encyclopedia of Life
Family: Chinchillidae
Kingdom: Animalia
Order: Rodentia
Mass: Southern viscacha: 3.4 lbs, Northern viscacha: 2.7 lbs, Wolffsohn’s viscacha: 5.9 lbs Encyclopedia of Life
Gestation period: Southern viscacha: 130 days, Northern viscacha: 140 days Encyclopedia of Life

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:34:13pm

re: #34 calochortus

Actually, IIRC it is the teeth that distinguish rodents from lagomorphs. Also, as far as I know American rabbits don’t burrow. That’s the European ones.

according to Wiki, it is only Cottontails that do not burrow.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:35:46pm

re: #33 BlueGrl21

Mine were Scots Irish, Dad’s side. One of my favorite family scenes ever was at Thanksgiving when I was about 10. My great-uncle married a British woman with the last name of Martin. She was very proud of her country of origin and her last name and would trot out her pedigree whenever possible.

This time when she went into her spiel my very drunk grandfather yelled, “Och, well, they were so fecking important they named a bird after ‘em!”

Yes, there is a long history there.

Ha I love the Scots. Our background is primarily Celtic Irish Catholic but I wouldn’t be surprised if we had some Scots ancestry. Dads mom had a grandmother from Glasgow.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:38:46pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Ha I love the Scots. Our background is primarily Celtic Irish Catholic but I wouldn’t be surprised if we had some Scots ancestry. Dads mom had a grandmother from Glasgow.

I was married to a Scotswoman. Her parents were from Northern England, but her dad is of Scottish descent (clan Gordon) and she was born in Stirling (site of the famous battle featured in Braveheart) and went to school in Glasgow.

I even own a proper kilt that I bought for family weddings. It has no clan affiliation, so to speak, the tartan is that of the Reith Rovers football club. I like the colors, red, white, blue and black.

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calochortus  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:39:41pm

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

according to Wiki, it is only Cottontails that do not burrow.

I think pygmy rabbits may burrow, but that’s a tiny minority of rabbits. As far as I know, hares (jackrabbits) don’t burrow either, but I could be wrong. Our local ones don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:40:14pm

re: #39 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I was married to a Scotswoman. Her parents were from Northern England, but her dad is of Scottish descent (clan Gordon) and she was born in Stirling (site of the famous battle featured in Braveheart) and went to school in Glasgow.

I even own a proper kilt that I bought for family weddings. It has no clan affiliation, so to speak, the tartan is that of the Reith Rovers football club. I like the colors, red, white, blue and black.

Dads great grandmother’s parents were from Fermanagh. But they lived in the part of Glasgow after emigrating that is now solid Celtic territory.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:47:54pm

re: #30 Jay C

Unfortunately, from everything I’ve read about the Brexit mess, the pro/anti, Leave/Remain split in British politics (which is(?was?) pretty much a 50-50 thing) cuts right across the political spectrum, there being Leavers and Remainers in both major parties: with, however, the Leave gang ending up in charge (May & Co.) determined to carry it through regardless of consequences, and regardless of Parliamentary opposition (as far as they can get away with it).

Your analysis is correct, AFAICT: the fundamental issue with the UK being in the EU is (and always has been - it’s what sent Maggie Thatcher into her well-deserved retirement beforetime) the “sovereignty” issue. Which boils down to the Brits being fine with the economic advantages of being in “Europe” but hating the political compromises which came with it: mainly “overregulation”* and “immigration”**.

*Basically, ANY regulation: just like Republicans over here.
** Basically, paranoid xenophobia over “borders”, just like Republicans over here: even if the immediate focus of their animus is mainly white people (Eastern Europeans).

The Leave Campaign also fear mongered about Turkey, even though its not in the EU and is unlikely to join anytime soon.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:48:41pm

So Glenn Greenwald wants to debate Ben Shapiro? Man, wouldn’t that be an epic Battle of the Douchebags. Whoever wins, everybody loses.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:49:36pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

So Glenn Greenwald wants to debate Ben Shapiro? Man, wouldn’t that be an epic Battle of the Douchebags. Whoever wins, everybody loses.

With luck, they’d both lose.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:50:10pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

So Glenn Greenwald wants to debate Ben Shapiro? Man, wouldn’t that be an epic Battle of the Douchebags. Whoever wins, everybody loses.

So much gas, so little bags.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:53:20pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Attention whore seeks like minded foe to spar.

I’ll pass.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:54:51pm

re: #46 lawhawk

Attention whore seeks like minded foe to spar.

I’ll pass.

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Which is which :). Seriously they’re both just awful gasbags who make conversation worse simply by being there.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:55:26pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:56:28pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:56:46pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:57:05pm

re: #48 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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It’s all about extortion with him.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:57:28pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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But HRC won’t talk to the press.//

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steve_davis  Mar 7, 2019 • 12:58:12pm

re: #16 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

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Here’s one from Machu Picchu.

ETA: No, actually, two!

oh dear. put on a loincloth, you pervert!

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:00:40pm

Manafort is in the courtroom. He was wheeled in, and is in a prison jumpsuit.

The right wing howler monkeys are busy whining that this should be Hillary, and that she did so much worse (except there’s nothing in any of the dozen investigations or more that found criminal wrongdoing on anything - including the emails).

Or that Mueller framed Manafort.

Or that Manafort is a fall guy to justify Mueller’s investigation.

Or… I could go on since this is a black hole of dumbfuckery that ignores the fact that the investigation was launched to investigate Trump-Russia connections, and the investigation means referring suspected crimes to prosecutors - and all Trumpworld did was commit crimes before, during, and after the campaign and hired people who were crooks and cons.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:04:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:04:51pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Manafort is in the courtroom. He was wheeled in, and is in a prison jumpsuit.

The right wing howler monkeys are busy whining that this should be Hillary, and that she did so much worse (except there’s nothing in any of the dozen investigations or more that found criminal wrongdoing on anything - including the emails).

Or that Mueller framed Manafort.

Or that Manafort is a fall guy to justify Mueller’s investigation.

Or… I could go on since this is a black hole of dumbfuckery that ignores the fact that the investigation was launched to investigate Trump-Russia connections, and the investigation means referring suspected crimes to prosecutors - and all Trumpworld did was commit crimes before, during, and after the campaign and hired people who were crooks and cons.

Manafort is a crook. He’s been one. He’s not a victim. His crimes finally caught up to him.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:06:19pm

re: #43 Charles Johnson

Whoever wins

Naah, they’ll just bring Golgothan to materialize in our world….

Dogma: Golgothan, The Shit Demon

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:10:12pm

re: #10 jaunte

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blog.theanimalrescuesite.greatergood.com

“Ooooooklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain….”

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garzooma  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:10:50pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Amazing/not amazing how many of these beltway journalists are deliberately missing this point.[Embedded content]

Josh Marshall doesn’t miss it, and puts it well:

The idea that the Democratic party would partner with such an organization to run a debate is frankly bizarre. Why not choose the Wisconsin GOP to host one? Or perhaps a better analogy would be American Crossroads, the GOP SuperPac founded by Karl Rove.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:11:11pm

I wish him well… he was one of the good guys and ambassadors for the game (and helped the Mets do the improbable.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:11:49pm

re: #54 lawhawk

Manafort is in the courtroom. He was wheeled in, and is in a prison jumpsuit.

The right wing howler monkeys are busy whining that this should be Hillary, and that she did so much worse (except there’s nothing in any of the dozen investigations or more that found criminal wrongdoing on anything - including the emails).

Or that Mueller framed Manafort.

Or that Manafort is a fall guy to justify Mueller’s investigation.

Or… I could go on since this is a black hole of dumbfuckery that ignores the fact that the investigation was launched to investigate Trump-Russia connections, and the investigation means referring suspected crimes to prosecutors - and all Trumpworld did was commit crimes before, during, and after the campaign and hired people who were crooks and cons.

So what is Manafort looking at? 20+ years?

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:12:14pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:12:15pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Awful. He’s a legend. Sad to hear this.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:12:49pm

re: #62 jaunte

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I don’t care. This guy sold us out.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:13:33pm

Gout: Nature’s way of telling you to stop trying to eat all your money.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:16:01pm

Calling all meteors…..

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:17:10pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:18:42pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:19:14pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I don’t care. This guy sold us out.

As I keep saying, it is so tiresome that white collar criminals steal and damage our nation without any significant concern about punishment. It was only because Trump was elected President and continued his criminal ways in office that these people are facing their just deserts, when in fact, Trump, Manafort, Cohen should all have been brought to justice years ago.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:19:22pm

re: #68 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Just another day at the office for this team of crooks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:19:36pm

re: #69 Hecuba’s daughter

As I keep saying, it is so tiresome that white collar criminals steal and damage our nation without any significant concern about punishment. It was only because Trump was elected President and continued his criminal ways in office that these people are facing their just deserts, when in fact, Trump, Manafort, Cohen should all have been brought to justice years ago.

Definitely

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BeenHereAwhile  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:19:43pm

re: #9 NO SMOCKING GUN!

And Corbyn seems to support Brexit as well. Unfortunately for the UK, there isn’t a single major political party which is foursquare in support of the EU, which is baffling to me.

For over a year, SIL has been traveling to London moving $Big $Bank divisions out of the UK to Ireland, Germany and other countries.

He says $Big $Bank considers Brexit to be really stupid, and it’s time to move on.

And it will be a life change for several thousand UK employees of the bank who remain.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:21:42pm

Michael Steele on Nicole’s MSNBC show making a point that Nancy Pelosi is doing an “impeachment” of Trump right now. He is saying Nancy probably knows there is no way to get the Republican Senate to Impeach so she is impeaching him slowly by bringing out all the people involved and grilling them in front of the America public and the impeachment trial will be the election and America can decide. He thinks all of what the Democrats are doing with the hearings is geared to that.

Of course to me that means if the Mueller Investigation sways the public to really want Trump out and the Republicans see a need to impeach to protect themselves and their party then the Democrats will be more than happy to oblige.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:23:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:23:41pm

re: #73 ObserverArt

Michael Steele on Nicole’s MSNBC show making a point that Nancy Pelosi is doing an “impeachment” of Trump right now. He is saying Nancy probably knows there is no way to get the Republican Senate to Impeach so she is impeaching him slowly by bring out all the people involved and grilling them in front of the America public and the impeachment trial will be the election and America can decide. He thinks all of what the Democrats are doing with the hearings is geared to that.

Of course to me that means if the Mueller Investigation sways the public to really want Trump out and the Republicans see a need to impeach to protect themselves and their party then the Democrats will be more than happy to oblige.

Nancy is smart. An inexperienced speaker wouldn’t be this savvy.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:25:30pm

re: #66 Barefoot Grin

Calling all meteors…..

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Looks like I need to contact Rob Portman. Again.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:26:25pm

re: #72 BeenHereAwhile

For over a year, SIL has been traveling to London moving $Big $Bank divisions out of the UK to Ireland, Germany and other countries.

He says $Big $Bank considers Brexit to be really stupid, and it’s time to move on.

And it will be a life change for several thousand UK employees of the bank who remain.

How is it this continues? I’m honestly at a loss.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:27:24pm

re: #67 jaunte

Shimon Prokupecz ✔
@ShimonPro
Judge tells the courtroom that Manafort is not being sentenced for anything related to the Special Counsel’s investigation into Russian interference.

Ellis said “He is not before the court for anything having to do with colluding with the Russian government”

4:15 PM - Mar 7, 2019

Hello! The court just sent a message to Donny Trump. Manafort has not been cleared in his dealings with you and your campaign.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:34:21pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:34:57pm

Heh, I don’t trust Nicole, but she can be fun sometimes knowing her background.

She was just talking about Cohen turning on Trump and suing his former client.

As she said it she started to grin and her voice lightened like she was about ready to laugh.

I do think she seriously hates Trump and would love to see him tried, convicted and maybe even publicly tarred and feathered and put in stocks out on the Lincoln Monument Plaza.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:35:07pm

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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Conservatives love individual rights don’t they?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:36:24pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:36:45pm

re: #67 jaunte

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Ellis is a ridiculous hair splitting shitwit. He knows goddamned well that Manafort has already pled guilty in DC to lying the FBI about giving polling data to Kilimnik while he was Trump’s campaign manager.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:37:49pm

re: #79 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

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With other people? Or only themselves?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:39:25pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Ellis is a ridiculous hair splitting shitwit. He knows goddamned well that Manafort has already pled guilty in DC to lying the FBI about giving polling data to Kilimnik while he was Trump’s campaign manager.

GDF, what if all he is doing is sending a message to Trump who thinks he is in the clear as far as Manafort being tied to collusion?

Yeah, I know a judge shouldn’t be political, but this is a simple statement that may not be for courtroom accuracy just a signal to the Trump Gang.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:41:28pm

re: #80 ObserverArt

Heh, I don’t trust Nicole, but she can be fun sometimes know her background.

She was just talking about Cohen turning on Trump and suing his former client.

As she said it she started to grin and her voice lightened like she was about ready to laugh.

I do think she seriously hates Trump and would love to see him tried, convicted and maybe even publicly tarred and feathered and put in stocks out on the Lincoln Monument Plaza.

She sees all her hard efforts for McCain and Palin going down the tubes.

Fuck both her and Steve. They’re useful idiots and nothing more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:42:27pm

“Dear King”….blech

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:48:09pm

re: #83 goddamnedfrank

Ellis giving Trump another shot at claiming “No collusion.”

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:52:23pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:52:29pm

re: #88 jaunte

Ellis giving Trump another shot at claiming “No collusion.”

Yeah.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:53:04pm

re: #89 jaunte

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Manafort is lucky he’s not a black man who sold cigarettes.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:53:25pm

Public announcement:

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:53:37pm

re: #88 jaunte

Ellis giving Trump another shot at claiming “No collusion.”

Only because Trump is a fucking moron and doesn’t understand that just because this judge is handling certain charges, it doesn’t mean that those are the only charges Manafort is facing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:54:30pm

re: #92 Belafon

Public announcement:

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The person who tweeted this is one of the Senior Engineers on Chrome so treat it seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:54:47pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Only because Trump is a fucking moron and doesn’t understand that just because this judge is handling certain charges, it doesn’t mean that those are the only charges Manafort is facing.

I don’t think there’s ever been a President this ignorant about the law.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:55:59pm
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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:57:21pm

dailykos.com

MSNBC’s Hallie Jackson seemed a tad displeased when interviewing Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill) earlier today when it didn’t seem to go as Jackson planned.

Jackson was primed to drill down into Schakowsky’s call to fellow Democrats to “stop tweeting” during what Jackson labeled a “feisty” Democratic caucus debate over the wording of a new anti-hate resolution.

But Schakowsky brilliantly flipped the script and adamantly blamed the media, the GOP and the “Hatemonger-In-Chief” for unfairly targeting Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn) and putting her life in danger.

Hallie Jackson was not pleased.

Jan Schakowsky went on to rightly criticize the media for “exploiting” “sexy” conflicts within the Democratic Party yet ignoring the fact that House Dems just passed two Gun Safety bills for the first time in 25 years and are poised to pass a Fair Elections bill.

This was the moment when Jackson cut her off and pushed Schakowsky on the “disagreements” among members of her caucus.

In the opinion of this writer who watched it live, Hallie Jackson’s agenda was clear: magnify the “deep split” within the Democratic party.

But Jan Schakowsky was not having it.

She explained her “stop tweeting” comment was a call to fellow Dems to stop discussing complex issues on social media because it only serves to give the media and republicans ammo for dividing the Democratic party.

Then Schakowsky went on to criticize the media and republicans yet a third time for “blowing up” Omar’s comments, and the resulting D-party debate, into a far bigger issue than it is — to the point that Schakowsky believes Omar now needs extra security.

Schakowsky, who made it clear she is Jewish, said she was “not trivializing” anti-Semitism and was quick to point out that Islamophobia is also a huge problem that needs to be addressed by Democratic House majority.

Schakowsky said she has accepted Omar’s personal apology to her and this has been a “learning moment” for everyone in the D-caucus on “how to get along.”

By the time this tête-à-tête wrapped up, Hallie Jackson had her arms clamped tightly crossed over her chest - a physical quirk we’ve seen in the “Hatemonger-In-Chief,” as Rep. Jan Schakowsky labelled the White House occupant.

Link to MSNBC clip at the link.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:57:32pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I don’t think there’s ever been a President this ignorant about the law.

It’s the consequences of having someone with no legal training or prior public service. You serve in the House, in the Senate, as a Governor… you’re going to have to understand how the law works.

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lawhawk  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:59:16pm

re: #96 MsJ

When?

Soon….

Spoilers.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 1:59:51pm

Because a crime family has infested the right wing of our politics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:01:28pm

re: #98 KGxvi

It’s the consequences of having someone with no legal training or prior public service. You serve in the House, in the Senate, as a Governor… you’re going to have to understand how the law works.

Precisely. Ike didn’t have a legal background either but he had people who did helping him.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:01:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:01:52pm

re: #100 jaunte

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Because a crime family has infested the right wing of our politics.

Ghoulish.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:02:54pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

Precisely. Ike didn’t have a legal background either but he had people who did helping him.

And let’s face it, being the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WWII was effectively a political job as much as it was a military one.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:03:50pm

re: #97 Belafon

dailykos.com

Link to MSNBC clip at the link.

Iframe

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:05:36pm

re: #104 KGxvi

And let’s face it, being the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WWII was effectively a political job as much as it was a military one.

My brother-in-law is an E-9 in the Air Force (since I was in the Navy, I don’t know what the name is). He’s been base Sergeant, and all those fun titles. Most of his training since he became an E-7 seems to be more geared towards Air Force politics than improving his original job skills.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:07:59pm

re: #99 lawhawk

When?

Soon….

Spoilers.

INORITE!

Is have blown out off if it hadn’t been from Ian.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:10:08pm

“Zucked” with Roger McNamee

Noted tech venture capitalist Roger McNamee, an early mentor to Mark Zuckerberg, woke up to the serious damage Facebook and other social media outlets are doing to our society and set out to try to stop it. McNamee is in conversation with Jeff Light, publisher and editor of The San Diego Union-Tribune.

“Zucked” with Roger McNamee - Helen Edison

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:10:26pm

re: #105 ObserverArt

“Deeply Rifted Democrats In Disarray!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:10:58pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:11:22pm

Altenatively, all those people who said VDH was a partisan hack were right, and you didn’t see it because you agreed with him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:12:02pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:12:27pm

re: #109 jaunte

“Deeply Rifted Democrats In Disarray!”

Why, it is almost poetic to a journalist!

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:12:33pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

VDH was always a white nationalist, dressed up in academic gowns. Of course he likes Trump.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:14:13pm

re: #113 ObserverArt

They’re giddy at the chance to gossip about Democrats during the unrelenting shitstorm from the Trump-rotted Republican side.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:14:13pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:16:31pm

re: #95 HappyWarrior

I don’t think there’s ever been a President this ignorant about the law.

FTFY

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:17:33pm

re: #18 garzooma

In the last thread, someone asked how the insurance company paid Trump $17M for storm damage. The AP did a story about this, and talked to the insurance adjuster. He didn’t really say much:

like i said, he got a piece of the $17M

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:17:39pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:17:47pm

re: #104 KGxvi

And let’s face it, being the Supreme Commander of Allied Forces during WWII was effectively a political job as much as it was a military one.

Oh definitely.

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:18:31pm

re: #97 Belafon

dailykos.com

Link to MSNBC clip at the link.

Wow - finally! A Democratic Rep. flatly calling out the media for pushing trite “Dems in Disarray” crapola instead of focusing on the serious legislation they are pushing (in the House at least) - which is what they were elected to do. Wish more were like Ms. Schakowsky…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:19:01pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Altenatively, all those people who said VDH was a partisan hack were right, and you didn’t see it because you agreed with him.

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Precisely

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:19:37pm

re: #114 freetoken

VDH was always a white nationalist, dressed up in academic gowns. Of course he likes Trump.

Which is why NRO loves him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:19:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:19:52pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

FTFY

For sure

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:20:12pm

re: #48 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

We do military exercises to improve readiness & interoperability with allies & to reinforce deterrence. Signaling that our alliances are essentially protection rackets—i.e., we will only work alongside allies when we get “reimbursed”—emboldens North Korea & other foes.

the above is all true

the below is a lie

“The reason I do not want military drills with South Korea is to save hundreds of millions of dollars for the U.S…..”

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:20:36pm

re: #111 Blind Frog Belly White

Altenatively, all those people who said VDH was a partisan hack were right, and you didn’t see it because you agreed with him.

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I’m ashamed to say I’ve read several books by VDH, but that was before 9/11, which made all the wingnuts let their freak flags fly….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:20:52pm

re: #126 Man, DangerMan

the above is all true

the below is a lie

“The reason I do not want military drills with South Korea is to save hundreds of millions of dollars for the U.S…..”

He wants to make Kim happy.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:21:09pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

White House/@PressSec closing in on another record for longest stretch without holding a press briefing, breaking previous record set in late January (41 days). Daily briefings long gone. ANY briefings just about DOA.

so it’s a no show job

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:21:53pm

re: #127 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m ashamed to say I’ve read several books by VDH, but that was before 9/11, which made all the wingnuts let their freak flags fly….

What’s VDH?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:22:34pm

re: #127 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I’m ashamed to say I’ve read several books by VDH, but that was before 9/11, which made all the wingnuts let their freak flags fly….

9/11 really woke up the xenophobia on the right. They were always jerks but 9/11 yeah. I can remember American Muslims preferring Bush to Gore.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:22:48pm

re: #130 MsJ

What’s VDH?

Victor David Hanson.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:23:08pm

re: #130 MsJ

What’s VDH?

Victor Davis Hanson.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:24:24pm
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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:24:31pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

re: #133 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Thanks.

I’m unfamiliar with him and it sounds like that’s ok.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:24:42pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:26:29pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

: “I personally have nothing against the Christian community and neither do most of us. Some just don’t want to be forced to celebrate Christmas and they shouldn’t be forced to!”

I have no problem with Christians co-opting a pagan mid-winter celebration that is much older than Christianity and has no direct Scriptural connection to the date, I just disagree with the way they claim some sort of exclusivity for the season.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:26:48pm

Pro hate!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:27:26pm

coward

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:27:28pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Oh grow the fuck up already. No one is “forcing” you.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:29:04pm

re: #138 jaunte

Pro hate!

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Oh so Antisemitism is bad but we should be free to hate on Muslims. No Steve King tho?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:29:18pm

re: #121 Jay C

Wow - finally! A Democratic Rep. flatly calling out the media for pushing trite “Dems in Disarray” crapola instead of focusing on the serious legislation they are pushing (in the House at least) - which is what they were elected to do. Wish more were like Ms. Schakowsky…

I think you will see more. They are just starting to get into their groove.

Add in all the investigations and Democrats ignoring the complaints of GOP congress members about it all and I think we are seeing the Democrats getting to the don’t give a fuck anymore stage.

I bet it really ramps up this summer as presidential campaigns start up. I think that too will be coordinated with the investigations to get a control on the national message all through the 2020 election.

The press can come along, but I don’t think the Democrats are relying on that as they learned how the press handled the last election and Trump.

In a way they are being bold and loud about it in a manner similar to how loud Trump was.

I think they are out to make the news and set the story and they will go public in as many ways to get it out and drive the media to report it rather than color it. Again Trump dominated the media by going over and around them with his tweets.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:29:27pm

re: #139 Backwoods_Sleuth

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coward

Aha. Wussy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:29:43pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Someone needs to explain to Toasty Lizard that doing your job as required by law does not equal celebrating something.

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:29:55pm

My wife said Ralph Hall died.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:30:20pm

re: #135 MsJ

Thanks.

I’m unfamiliar with him and it sounds like that’s ok.

We used to get some of his hot takes. Thankfully no mas.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:30:33pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:31:06pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Someone needs to explain to Toasty Lizard that doing your job as required by law does not equal celebrating something.

Or that signing a marriage license (or baking a cake) does not mean that you have to see this couple as married in the eyes of the Lord, just in the eyes of the law.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:31:43pm

re: #145 Belafon

My wife said Ralph Hall died.

Another WWII vet gone. When I was a kid, they were everywhere.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:32:08pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:33:54pm

re: #124 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Good!

My take on the death penalty used to be that there were some crime so heinous, some murderers so dangerous, and some guilt so incontrovertible that their continued existence on this planet constituted an unacceptable risk - can you guarantee that they’d NEVER be able to get out?

I’ve never been much of one for the revenge or deterrence arguments and I have also never had a problem with the long appeals process - if we’re gonna kill somebody, we should exhaust all possibility of being wrong.

Two things changed my mind and made me oppose it:
1) the difficulty of writing what I listed (heinous crime, dangerous killer, certainty of guilt) into a law - especially the certainty part.

2) the number of people convicted and sentenced to death (and some executed) who were later completely exonerated. Not just “Oh, there was a problem with the trial”, but “Somebody else did it”.

As an aside, I was also alarmed when I heard from some DP advocates that they felt that even if someone convicted and sentenced to death were innocent of THAT murder, they probably had done something to deserve it, because “You don’t get that deep into the criminal justice system (as a defendant) without being guilty of SOMETHING!” which struck me as very much the opposite of ‘small government with limited powers, citizenry with broad, inalienable rights’ Conservatism they claimed to espouse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:34:08pm

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Someone needs to explain to Toasty Lizard that doing your job as required by law does not equal celebrating something.

Exactly. She’s such a lame loser. If I refused to serve her because of her being a xenophobic Ann Coulter cosplayer, she’d be on Twitter whining about how conservatives are discriminated against but it’s cool to discriminate against gays because some uptight asshole can’t handle that gays can marry. Go back to the Dakotas, Tomi.

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Scout  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:34:10pm

re: #147 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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I love print media.

Yes, I know I’m a dying breed. You don’t have to rub it in.

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A Three Hour Tour  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:34:41pm

re: #135 MsJ

Thanks.

I’m unfamiliar with him and it sounds like that’s ok.

I was largely unaware of him until sometime post-9/11 and around the time of the 2003 Iraq War when the warblogs that coalesced to form Pajamas Media heavily pimped his pronouncements as sage commentary.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:35:14pm

My wife sent me this a little while ago…

Only funny cuz it’s true.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:35:39pm

Is manafort being sentenced today?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:35:46pm

re: #138 jaunte

Pro hate!

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Peter King. How does that knob keep getting elected? He’s fucking trash. Sure, he packages himself sometimes as reasonable but he is just as big an ass as the other King when you get down to it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:36:18pm

re: #151 Blind Frog Belly White

Good!

My take on the death penalty used to be that there were some crime so heinous, some murderers so dangerous, and some guilt so incontrovertible that their continued existence on this planet constituted an unacceptable risk - can you guarantee that they’d NEVER be able to get out?

I’ve never been much of one for the revenge or deterrence arguments and I have also never had a problem with the long appeals process - if we’re gonna kill somebody, we should exhaust all possibility of being wrong.

Two things changed my mind and made me oppose it:
1) the difficulty of writing what I listed (heinous crime, dangerous killer, certainty of guilt) into a law - especially the certainty part.

2) the number of people convicted and sentenced to death (and some executed) who were later completely exonerated. Not just “Oh, there was a problem with the trial”, but “Somebody else did it”.

As an aside, I was also alarmed when I heard from some DP advocates that they felt that even if someone convicted and sentenced to death were innocent of THAT murder, they probably had done something to deserve it, because “You don’t get that deep into the criminal justice system (as a defendant) without being guilty of SOMETHING!” which struck me as very much the opposite of ‘small government with limited powers, citizenry with broad, inalienable rights’ Conservatism they claimed to espouse.

I’ve always been against it. I’ve seen people do that too btw. The whole “Well if they’re being accused of capital murder, they probably are bad people.” Scary how people think. I oppose it because death is final.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:36:32pm

re: #147 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Mother Jones is not just a website on the internet. It is also a magazine—ask your parents—and you can get it in your mailbox—again, ask your parents—for only $12 a year! bit.ly

what are you talking about? my mailbox is on the internet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:36:47pm

yep…there’s my congresscritter…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:37:08pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Is manafort being sentenced today?

eventually

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:37:10pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

Peter King. How does that knob keep getting elected? He’s fucking trash. Sure, he packages himself sometimes as reasonable but he is just as big an ass as the other King when you get down to it.

I think that’s Makeitstop’s district. Not sure.

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:38:16pm

re: #157 ObserverArt

Peter King. How does that knob keep getting elected? He’s fucking trash. Sure, he packages himself sometimes as reasonable but he is just as big an ass as the other King when you get down to it.

Forget it, Art, it’s New York. /

King took over the ‘How the fuck does he keep getting elected?’ crown when Al D’Amato retired. I live here and I don’t get it, either.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:38:24pm

Because they might be primaried by someone dumber.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:38:45pm

American juries, DAs, politicians and law enforcement cannot be trusted with the ultimate penalty against individual liberty. Lifetime confinement is it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:39:48pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Because they might be primaried by someone dumber.

To be fair the shoe that could primary Gohmert looks great posing with a gun.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:40:08pm

re: #164 jaunte

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Because they might be primaried by someone dumber.

Yep, right off the bat the House starts stepping on rakes. Less than useless.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:40:20pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

American juries, DAs, politicians and law enforcement cannot be trusted with the ultimate penalty against individual liberty. Lifetime confinement is it.

Any country tbh.

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:40:22pm

re: #151 Blind Frog Belly White

Death penalty to me just means more murder. I, as a citizen don’t want that blood on my hands.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:40:58pm

re: #163 makeitstop

Forget it, Art, it’s New York. /

King took over the ‘How the fuck does he keep getting elected?’ crown when Al D’Amato retired. I live here and I don’t get it, either.

He’s such a wanker.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:41:00pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Any country tbh.

Of course, but I only know this circle of hell.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:42:00pm

re: #153 Scout

I love print media.

Yes, I know I’m a dying breed. You don’t have to rub it in.

my mom gets the nyt delivered every day (she’s 91). for like 50 years. the delivery service is getting unreliable so we’ve been talking about using the computer, their website or an app… she wants to read it in the morning at the breakfast table (goddammit!)

she’s computer savvy and has a nook (but the screen is too small)

this weekend we’re gonna find her a good sized screen on a laptop or big tablet. she’s gonna use it for just the one thing - reading the times in the morning, with her tea

she’s going to miss her sunday paper most of all. sitting in the easy chair, going section to section…

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:42:11pm

re: #170 HappyWarrior

He’s such a wanker.

He is. But he schmoozes the right constituent groups and they keep bringing his terrorist-supporting ass back.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:42:22pm

re: #169 plansbandc

Death penalty to me just means more murder. I, as a citizen don’t want that blood on my hands.

I certainly cringe whenever I see people celebrating a death like that. I mean I get that it’s emotional for the victims families but some of the comments I read, I swear I’m reading people from the Middle Ages.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:43:07pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:43:14pm

re: #169 plansbandc

Death penalty to me just means more murder. I, as a citizen don’t want that blood on my hands.

I’ve never figured out how a country that so many claim is based on the Christian laws from The Bible, etc., can have the death penalty.

Yes, I’ve heard a lot of their excuses. They still make zero sense to the me that was Catholic schooled for 12 years.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:43:18pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:43:38pm

re: #163 makeitstop

Forget it, Art, it’s New York. /

King took over the ‘How the fuck does he keep getting elected?’ crown when Al D’Amato retired. I live here and I don’t get it, either.

i met d’amato once. way back in the early 80’s i think

what an ass he was

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:43:53pm

re: #173 makeitstop

He is. But he schmoozes the right constituent groups and they keep bringing his terrorist-supporting ass back.

He turned against Sinn Fein because SF opposed Bush’s FP. And then he does the same shit with American Muslims that would infuriate him if done to Northern Irish Catholics.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:44:30pm

re: #177 jaunte

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Yeah because hatred shouldn’t be condemned against everyone.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:45:26pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Who can remember ten whole commandments?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:46:16pm

re: #176 ObserverArt

I’ve never figured out how a country that so many claim is based on the Christian laws from The Bible, etc., can have the death penalty.

Yes, I’ve heard a lot of their excuses. They still make zero sense to the me that was Catholic schooled for 12 years.

I have serious problems with the Roman Catholic Church but at least in my lifetime, they’ve opposed the DP so I respect them more than the Evangelicals who talk about protecting life and then act like a medieval mob at executions.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:46:26pm

Now we know why Jacob Wohl is such a douche. He is like the Donald Trump Jr. of hereditary douches.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:46:55pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:47:03pm

re: #171 Amory Blaine

Of course, but I only know this circle of hell.

True.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:47:04pm

re: #172 Man, DangerMan

Look for a cheap iPad Pro on eBay.

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:47:24pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

That tweet made me lose brain cells.

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freetoken  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:47:31pm

re: #181 jaunte

Who can remember ten whole commandments?

I prefer to remember only 3:

3) Backup your computer regularly.
2) Brush your teeth before going to bed.
1) No pineapple on pizza.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:48:11pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know why Jacob Wohl is such a douche. He is like the Donald Trump Jr. of hereditary douches.

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Hayzeus…that is black hole level density of lies in that Wohl tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:48:23pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:48:26pm

re: #188 freetoken

Blasphemer!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:48:58pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

Now we know why Jacob Wohl is such a douche. He is like the Donald Trump Jr. of hereditary douches.

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David you’re a jackass. Go take your son and fuck off together.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:49:10pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:49:47pm

Nice trade agreement you have there. It would be a shame if it couldn’t get passed in the House.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:50:16pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

David you’re a jackass. Go take your son and fuck off together.

They’re a 12.0 on the Doocy Scale.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:50:17pm

re: #186 MsJ

Look for a cheap iPad Pro on eBay.

Looks like you can pick up a 12.9” for about $325.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:50:57pm

re: #195 Amory Blaine

They’re a 12.0 on the Doocy Scale.

They are both so stupid.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:51:08pm

re: #175 Blind Frog Belly White

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Once your petard has blown up and hoisted you in the air, it’s pretty well used up, for petard-hoisting purposes.

Sorry, pet peeve….

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:51:08pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Get the old oak barrel with the shoulder straps ready. Manafort might find that is all he will have left to wear and call his own after today.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:51:13pm

re: #169 plansbandc

Death penalty to me just means more murder. I, as a citizen don’t want that blood on my hands.

That’s very a reasonable position. We already cede to the state the authority to kill, in war or as part of policing. Ceding the authority doesn’t shirk the responsibility.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:51:52pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:51:54pm

re: #121 Jay C

Wow - finally! A Democratic Rep. flatly calling out the media for pushing trite “Dems in Disarray” crapola instead of focusing on the serious legislation they are pushing (in the House at least) - which is what they were elected to do. Wish more were like Ms. Schakowsky…

Many long years ago, when Mark Kirk was first running for Congress against a Democratic woman, Lauren Beth Gash, I attended a rally where Jan Schakowsky was the guest speaker — and left with the great disappointment that she wasn’t the one running against Kirk. A very impressive woman — and there is no doubt she would have emerged the victor in the contest with Kirk, instead of losing by a small margin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:52:52pm

re: #198 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Once your petard has blown up and hoisted you in the air, it’s pretty well used up, for petard-hoisting purposes.

Sorry, pet peeve….

Hoist with your own petard doesn’t mean the petard blowing up hoisted you. It means you got fouled in the lines when hoisting the petard and got hoisted with it.

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:53:17pm

re: #158 HappyWarrior

I used to be the same way about the death penalty. But I began to realize, along with the many people who were later found innocent, that there was usually no way, short of serial killers who proudly show their work, to be sure there wasn’t a mistake along the way. So I began to support life without parole. If guilty, they just stay in jail. If evidence turns up later they are innocent, then we can let them go. That’s a better margin than killing someone and later finding out they were innocent, or not innocent, but there were mitigating factors.

Plus it ends the endless drama around appeals and the actual administration of the sentence itself and the endless search for a way to kill that isn’t cruel and unusual. There really isn’t a good way to kill a relatively young and healthy man.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:55:05pm

re: #204 CarolJ

I used to be the same way about the death penalty. But I began to realize, along with the many people who were later found innocent, that there was usually no way, short of serial killers who proudly show their work, to be sure there wasn’t a mistake along the way. So I began to support life without parole. If guilty, they just stay in jail. If evidence turns up later they are innocent, then we can let them go. That’s a better margin than killing someone and later finding out they were innocent, or not innocent, but there were mitigating factors. Plus it ends the endless drama around appeals and the actual administration of the sentence itself and the endless search for a way to kill that isn’t cruel and unusual. There really isn’t a good way to kill a relatively young and healthy man.

Right. I just don’t see LWOP as easy. It’s not. Some people should never get out and some people deserve harsh sentences but I hate the idea of executing an innocent.

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:56:46pm

re: #172 Man, DangerMan

my mom gets the nyt delivered every day (she’s 91). for like 50 years. the delivery service is getting unreliable so we’ve been talking about using the computer, their website or an app… she wants to read it in the morning at the breakfast table (goddammit!)

she’s computer savvy and has a nook (but the screen is too small)

this weekend we’re gonna find her a good sized screen on a laptop or big tablet. she’s gonna use it for just the one thing - reading the times in the morning, with her tea

she’s going to miss her sunday paper most of all. sitting in the easy chair, going section to section…

Why don’t you suggest to mom that she get the weekend paper(s) only? The subscription is cheaper if you only take the Saturday and Sunday editions, and you still get the online sub free anyway. And she can still spend Sundays shuffling newsprint…

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:57:44pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

Hoist with your own petard doesn’t mean the petard blowing up hoisted you. It means you got fouled in the lines when hoisting the petard and got hoisted with it.

“Hoist with his own petard” is a phrase from a speech in William Shakespeare’s play Hamlet that has become proverbial. The phrase’s meaning is literally that the bomb-maker (a “petard” is a small explosive device) is blown up (“hoisted” off the ground) by his own bomb, and indicates an ironic reversal, or poetic justice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 2:59:42pm

JFC

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makeitstop  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:00:33pm

re: #178 Man, DangerMan

i met d’amato once. way back in the early 80’s i think

what an ass he was

Might be a prerequisite for the seat, from the look of it.

I live in Suffolk County, about a half mile from a federal Courthouse. The Aphonse D’Amato United States Courthouse. It’s every bit as ugly as D’Amato’s politics were.

It was originally called the Long Island U.S. Courthouse. And who introduced the bill to rename it?

Peter King.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:03:36pm

Seriously?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:04:40pm

re: #208 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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In a sane world, this would get every vet united against Trump and his vanity wall. This is disgusting.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:04:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:04:55pm

re: #210 MsJ

Seriously?

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Fucking light.

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MsJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:05:00pm

Of course.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:05:57pm

Manafort will address the court prior to sentencing according to Ari Melber on MSNBC.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:06:57pm

re: #207 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There is difference of opinion on this, particularly the idea ‘hoist’ meaning to be thrown in the air, especially given the use of “with” as opposed to “by”. The petard, as you know, is a small bomb placed against a door to stave it in, and generally placed not on the ground, but higher on the door. SO, IMO a better case can be made for my interpretation (YMMV), and Shakespeare didn’t tell us exactly how he meant it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:06:58pm

re: #210 MsJ

Seriously?

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May.

How about we await the news?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:07:09pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

“Pelosi may eventually ask for Trump’s support on a Democratic priority in exchange for the party’s support on NAFTA/USMCA. Anonymous aide to Politico: “She knows this is central to Trump’s legislative agenda. So, it’s natural that she’ll have her own ask.”

Nice trade agreement you have there. It would be a shame if it couldn’t get passed in the House.

Why would any competent legislator believe Trump’s promise on anything? I don’t see how she could reach any agreement with him that he wouldn’t ignore 2 minutes after making a solemn commitment to support her.

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:07:37pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I would tweak things just a little: a LWOP who is gravely ill or over 90 can get sent to a secure nursing facility. No need to create people in jail who are basically prey to younger and healthier cons.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:08:48pm

re: #219 CarolJ

I would tweak things just a little: a LWOP who is gravely ill or over 90 can get sent to a secure nursing facility. No need to create people in jail who are basically prey to younger and healthier cons.

Agreed.

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A Three Hour Tour  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:08:54pm

re: #204 CarolJ

I used to be the same way about the death penalty. But I began to realize, along with the many people who were later found innocent, that there was usually no way, short of serial killers who proudly show their work, to be sure there wasn’t a mistake along the way. So I began to support life without parole. If guilty, they just stay in jail. If evidence turns up later they are innocent, then we can let them go. That’s a better margin than killing someone and later finding out they were innocent, or not innocent, but there were mitigating factors.

Plus it ends the endless drama around appeals and the actual administration of the sentence itself and the endless search for a way to kill that isn’t cruel and unusual. There really isn’t a good way to kill a relatively young and healthy man.

I’ve long been against the death penalty - with two exceptions: mass murder and genocide.

Depriving someone of life, even if following due process, is an irrevocable act if you later learn that the accused was innocent, and reliance upon the death penalty as a legal punishment cheapens the value of human life and creates a sick, sociopathic culture that worships death and cruelty.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:11:01pm

re: #221 A Three Hour Tour

I’ve long been against the death penalty - with two exceptions: mass murder and genocide.

Depriving someone of life, even if following due process, is an irrevocable act if you later learn that the accused was innocent, and

2.) reliance upon the death penalty as a legal punishment cheapens the value of human life and creates a sick, sociopathic culture that worships death and cruelty.

Perfectly said.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:11:55pm

re: #218 Hecuba’s daughter

Why would any competent legislator believe Trump’s promise on anything? I don’t see how she could reach any agreement with him that he wouldn’t ignore 2 minutes after making a solemn commitment to support her.

I doubt she would. She might make it a precondition, so that he has to actually sign her bill before she passes New NAFTA. She doesn’t trust him, so he has to trust her.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:14:14pm

re: #217 ObserverArt

May.

How about we await the news?

I want the asshole’s money. All of it. I want him left destitute. His career is gone, livelihood gone. I’d rather have every bit of his money than see him in jail, though I would prefer both. Leave him penniless on the street with no future.

I am, occasionally, a bit bloodthirsty.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:14:16pm

re: #223 Blind Frog Belly White

I doubt she would. She might make it a precondition, so that he has to actually sign her bill before she passes New NAFTA. She doesn’t trust him, so he has to trust her.

But then he would lobby against it in the Senate; maybe that means she would have to wait until it was signed into law before she would support his legislation.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:14:53pm

re: #224 BlueGrl21

I want the asshole’s money. All of it. I want him left destitute. His career is gone, livelihood gone. I’d rather have every bit of his money than see him in jail, though I would prefer both. Leave him penniless on the street with no future.

I am, occasionally, a bit bloodthirsty.

You and me both!

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Dave In Austin  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:15:42pm

Gaa!

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:15:42pm

No apology, no remorse from Manafort. Sounds like he is complaining about being mistreated. Said he has felt punishment from the proceedings. From Ari/MSNBC.

Fuck you Paul.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:16:59pm

re: #224 BlueGrl21

I want the asshole’s money. All of it. I want him left destitute. His career is gone, livelihood gone. I’d rather have every bit of his money than see him in jail, though I would prefer both. Leave him penniless on the street with no future.

I am, occasionally, a bit bloodthirsty.

I agree. I was just saying I don’t trust a tweet. I want to hear it from the court.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:17:31pm

boo fucking hoo

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:17:37pm

re: #225 Hecuba’s daughter

But then he would lobby against it in the Senate; maybe that means she would have to wait until it was signed into law before she would support his legislation.

He can’t lobby in the Senate against something he has already signed, which was what I said.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:18:24pm

re: #227 Dave In Austin

Gaa!

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I always worry a little for my Dad and aunts/uncles. Their mom had dementia. It was so sad seeing my Nana, my first babysitter not recognize her kids, Grandkids, & great grands.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:18:51pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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boo fucking hoo

Yeah. Should have thought about that first.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:19:29pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

No apology, no remorse from Manafort. Sounds like he is complaining about being mistreated. Said he has felt punishment from the proceedings. From Ari/MSNBC.

Fuck you Paul.

He needs to get the max sentence.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:19:57pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Being separated from my family for the past 9 months has been very hard.”

“…in an exchange from March 2015, [his daughter, Andrea Manafort] Shand appeared to tell her older sister that their father “has no moral or legal compass” and that he “killed people in Ukraine … knowingly.”
thisisinsider.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:20:44pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:21:41pm

re: #230 Backwoods_Sleuth

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boo fucking hoo

Ari is reminding that Manafort was free. He put himself back in jail.

Arrogance got his butt in this mess and his arrogance is going to be weighed in his sentence. That no remorse and whiny court statement is not going to go over well with the judge.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:22:06pm

re: #235 jaunte

“…in an exchange from March 2015, [his daughter, Andrea Manafort] Shand appeared to tell her older sister that their father “has no moral or legal compass” and that he “killed people in Ukraine … knowingly.”
thisisinsider.com

That’s why he needs the max sentence.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:22:57pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Talk to the Ukrainian people you sold out to Putin. You’re not sorry. You got caught.

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KGxvi  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:23:42pm

re: #238 HappyWarrior

That’s why he needs the max sentence.

Even if he gets leniency here, he’s got another sentencing date with a different judge next week.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:24:26pm

re: #240 KGxvi

Even if he gets leniency here, he’s got another sentencing date with a different judge next week.

Yep.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:24:51pm

re: #235 jaunte

“…in an exchange from March 2015, [his daughter, Andrea Manafort] Shand appeared to tell her older sister that their father “has no moral or legal compass” and that he “killed people in Ukraine … knowingly.”
thisisinsider.com

I still remember Nicole Wallace saying everyone in Washington DC knew Manafort was dirt.

Today she said notice how many other Republicans have hired Manafort for their campaigns? No one. He was and is toxic.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:24:54pm

re: #183 The Vicious Babushka

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:25:44pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:25:59pm

re: #234 HappyWarrior

He needs to get the max sentence.

Ooh, England makes you sick. Best I can manage here is life imprisonment. It’s hardly worth coming in in the morning. Now, South Africa? You’ve got your cat of nine tails, you’ve got four death sentences a week, you’ve got cheap drinks, slave labour and a booming stock market. I’m off, I tell you. Yes, I’m up to here with probation and bleeding psychiatric reports. That’s it, I’m off. That’s it. Right. But I’m going to have one final fling before I leave, so I sentence you to be burnt at the stake.

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:26:14pm

What about all of the victims of the dictators he helped, like Marcos, former dictator of Zaire Mobutu Sese Seko, Angolan guerrilla leader Jonas Savimbi.,pro-Russian government of Viktor Yanukovych in Ukraine,attempted to recruit Siad Barre of Somalia and many others.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:28:31pm

re: #243 GlutenFreeJesus

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That image is nightmarish. Yeesh.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:29:33pm

GAAAAAHHHHH

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:30:19pm

re: #247 ObserverArt

That image is nightmarish. Yeesh.

The original is not much better.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:30:24pm
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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:30:39pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

Nothing in the resolution about douchebag drunk drivers.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:30:53pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

GAAAAAHHHHH

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Is being a massive and dangerous asshole a religion now?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:32:01pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Is being a massive and dangerous asshole a religion now?

Yes. It’s called “Evangelical Christianity”.
//

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:32:02pm

re: #252 ObserverArt

Is being a massive and dangerous asshole a religion now?

It is for some

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:32:20pm

re: #248 The Vicious Babushka

GAAAAAHHHHH

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Were you threatened for being Christian? No. But make this about how you’re a victim. You’re a disgrace.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:32:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:32:57pm

re: #251 jaunte

Nothing in the resolution about douchebag drunk drivers.

Or people who threaten witnesses. Gaetz would do well to shut up.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:34:00pm

$10 says Gaetz has received exactly 0 death threats in the last little while.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:34:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:34:37pm

re: #259 I Would Prefer Not To

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Dude. Could have warned us!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:34:38pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Or people who threaten witnesses. Gaetz would do well to shut up.

“But I took it back, so it doesn’t count!”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:34:52pm

re: #259 I Would Prefer Not To

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I can still see an asshole.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:35:18pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

Or people who threaten witnesses. Gaetz would do well to shut up.

He not only has a metaphorically big mouth, but mom nature gave him a physically large opening in his block-headed face.

He was built for never shutting up.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:35:55pm

re: #262 I Would Prefer Not To

I can still see an asshole.

It’s assholes, all the way down.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:35:58pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

Dude. Could have warned us!

Warnings are are for pics of Pineapple Pizza only!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:36:32pm

re: #263 ObserverArt

He not only has a metaphorically big mouth, but mom nature gave him a physically large opening in his block-headed face.

He was built for never shutting up.

He’s one of the biggest jackasses in their caucus. Says a lot.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:36:45pm

re: #259 I Would Prefer Not To

Please put that in spoiler tags! Now I have to wash out my eyes with hydrochloric acid.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:36:57pm

re: #259 I Would Prefer Not To

AAHHHHHHH! MY EYES!!!

Is that real?!?!

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:37:00pm

re: #228 ObserverArt

No apology, no remorse from Manafort. Sounds like he is complaining about being mistreated. Said he has felt punishment from the proceedings. From Ari/MSNBC.

Fuck you Paul.

Wait till Manafort feels the punishment of having no money, greed being the fucker’s sole motivation for selling this country out.

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jaunte  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:37:24pm
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sagehen  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:43:41pm

re: #172 Man, DangerMan

this weekend we’re gonna find her a good sized screen on a laptop or big tablet. she’s gonna use it for just the one thing - reading the times in the morning, with her tea

she’s going to miss her sunday paper most of all. sitting in the easy chair, going section to section…

If she can no longer get the dead-tree version, what will she use to line the birdcage? Or to wrap fish?

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:45:14pm

Uh oh. Judge Ellis just made a statement that doesn’t sound good. He is saying he thinks the sentence guidelines may be too high. Also said Manafort outside of this case has led a credible life.

Ugh. This judge remains a piece of work.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:46:40pm

CIV players weigh foreign policy decisions more carefully than Trump does.

thehardtimes.net

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:47:49pm

re: #138 jaunte

Pro hate!

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Hut, remember, it’s the Democrats who are in disarray and the real haters.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:50:29pm

Judge on Manafort: He has lived an otherwise blameless life.

Judge needs to learn a little about world politics and Manafort’s fingers in it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:51:52pm

re: #272 ObserverArt

Uh oh. Judge Ellis just made a statement that doesn’t sound good. He is saying he thinks the sentence guidelines may be too high. Also said Manafort outside of this case has led a credible life.

Ugh. This judge remains a piece of work.

So a white Republican judge thinks a rich white Republican guy should escape punishment?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:52:20pm

re: #275 ObserverArt

Judge on Manafort: He has lived an otherwise blameless life.

Judge needs to learn a little about world politics and Manafort’s fingers in it.

pretty sure this is the same judge who believes that Mueller has been “overreaching” in his investigations

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:53:49pm

re: #193 Backwoods_Sleuth

Charlie Gile
@CharlieGileNBC
* 1h
Replying to @CharlieGileNBC
Back from recess, the arguments have turned to an appropriate fine. Defense says that Manafort doesn’t have the money to pay a hefty fine. SCO says he has two remaining homes valued at $4 million and that he hasn’t supplied recent financial info.

Charlie Gile
@CharlieGileNBC
Also, Judge Ellis overruled the third objection the defense had to the PSR regarding bank losses. All three objections were overruled, though Ellis noted that it wasn’t crucial to the entire sentence calculus.

heres why this argument is utter bullshit:

- in parts of this country they put you in jail if you cant pay your fines
and they dont let you out
- even egregious ones imposed by the court they know you could never pay

a lot of those people can’t even afford a lawyer

manafort has a lawyer arguing on his behalf that he has no money to pay fines

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Jay C  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:53:53pm

re: #250 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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“They made me sound like an ax-wielding psychopath that was blocking a door”

Sorry, but I don’t think Laura Loomer has much standing to bitch about anyone blocking doors.

The analysis of her mental condition is still up for question, though….

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:54:36pm

re: #276 Hecuba’s daughter

So a white Republican judge thinks a rich white Republican guy should escape punishment?

Doesn’t sound like escape. But it does sound he is considering lessening the costs.

But didn’t he say stupid stuff earlier in all of this and then ruled a bit differently and said he was wrong for what he said?

He seems to fight himself and think out loud when he shouldn’t.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:54:51pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure this is the same judge who believes that Mueller has been “overreaching” in his investigations

It is.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:55:03pm

Sounds like the judge took Ghouliani’s call from the WH during recess.

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:56:04pm

re: #278 Man, DangerMan

heres why this argument is utter bullshit:

- in parts of this country they put you in jail if you cant pay your fines
and they dont let you out
- even egregious ones imposed by the court they know you could never pay

a lot of those people can’t even afford a lawyer

manafort has a lawyer arguing on his behalf that he has no money to pay fines

This is the difference in color, class and connections that runs though our whole view of justice in this country. It sucks bad.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:56:22pm

and never mind what’s happening in that other court…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:57:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:58:34pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:58:55pm

Criminals and enablers all the way up. Justice in America is a lie and illusion.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:59:09pm

What is this, the fucking Academy Awards? Get on with it judge.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:59:14pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:59:16pm

Now thge judge just said he was surprised Manafort didn’t have any apology and regret.

This judge is two dice in a cup.

47 months, it just came in. Ari’s panel is shocked.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 3:59:52pm

Slap on the wrist for white rich criminals. America is a shithole.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:00:36pm

So four years less a month and he’ll probably get released earlier for “good behavior” or some other bullshit.

I was hoping for more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:00:36pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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is he gonna make it “time already served”?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:01:12pm
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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:02:23pm

Prediction: nothing substantial will come from Trump’s crimes, the Dems in the house will not push for justice. Maybe meuller isn’t as honorable as we hope he is.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:02:35pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

WTH? This is outrageous. Heavens help us if Native Americans, Vets and underprivileged children got dental care, right?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:02:38pm

JFC

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:02:41pm

re: #293 Backwoods_Sleuth

is he gonna make it “time already served”?

Still facing additional sentencing next week in DC

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:03:06pm

I’m going to watch some sports. Might have had a little too much justice tonight. A need to reset.

And the sport thing might not go well for the local team…but it is still a respite.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:04:36pm

re: #289 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Way too short.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:06:20pm

re: #300 Patricia Kayden

Way too short.

Youthful offender.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:06:28pm

3.91666667 Fucking years. What a fucking joke. Will probably get credit for time served as well.

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:06:50pm

Way too short, but he’s already shown a tendency to continue to do crimes. There will be more to come.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:07:39pm

so, is there also a fine being assessed?
or does he get to keep his two houses and whatever other assets he has tried to hide from view?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:09:19pm

8 felonies comes to about 6 months per felony.

non-white rich folks get more than 6 months per misdemeanor…and god forbid you be a migrant asylum seeker…

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ObserverArt  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:09:24pm

re: #295 Amory Blaine

Prediction: nothing substantial will come from Trump’s crimes, the Dems in the house will not push for justice. Maybe meuller isn’t as honorable as we hope he is.

Mueller’s team was pushing hard for the 19 years plus for bad behavior.

This is the judge.

Manafort now faces a judge in DC that has been a lot more pissed off at what he did. Maybe there will be some balance in this yet.

Why blame the Dems? It is the Republicans protecting Trump. Our system is fucked up in this case. You need the senate to impeach. You need the public to put pressure on them.

That is the same public that put this lunkhead in office and started this mess. This is the result of democratic system in a country with way too many idiots.

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:09:36pm

re: #295 Amory Blaine

The Prosecutors did their part. Dems are just getting started, and there’s no incentive for them to let up at all. There’s no control over the judge. And Manafort is going to end up broke after all of this, because of his jail sentence, and because dictators have moved to other, younger and less legally encumbered enablers.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:11:25pm

re: #277 Backwoods_Sleuth

pretty sure this is the same judge who believes that Mueller has been “overreaching” in his investigations

Yep. Same judge who accused one of the prosecutors of crying in court. The same senile old fuck of a judge who explicitly gave permission for an IRS agent witness to remain in court while other witnesses were testifying and then forgot that he’d done that and berated the prosectors so badly over his own error that he had to apologize the next day.

On Wednesday, Ellis got upset at prosecutors when they put IRS audit agent Michael Welch on the stand and he said he’d been in the courtroom during other witnesses’ testimony.

“I thought we excluded witnesses,” Ellis said, halting the testimony. The jury was still in the courtroom. Asonye said that was true, except for expert witnesses, which included Welch, and case agents involved in the investigation. Ellis said prosecutors “need to ask specifically,” and he told Asonye to remember that next time.

Asonye said he would check the transcript, but believed they had asked the judge for permission. Ellis erupted.

Let me be clear: I don’t care what the transcript says. Maybe I made a mistake. But I want you to remember don’t do that again. When I exclude witnesses, I mean everybody,” he said.

On Thursday morning, prosecutors filed a motion — the first of its kind in the trial so far — asking the judge for a “curative instruction” to the jury about what happened the previous day. They attached a copy of the transcript from the first day of the trial, July 31, showing they had asked Ellis to allow Welch to stay in the courtroom. At the time, according to the transcript, the judge asked who the agent was, and the government provided his name. The judge said, “All right.”

“The Court’s reprimand of government counsel suggested to the jury — incorrectly — that the government had acted improperly and in contravention of Court rules,” prosecutors argued in the filing. “This prejudice should be cured.”

“Let me be clear, I don’t care what specific instructions I gave before, you should have known I’m a stupid old fucking sundowning fool and anticipated that I didn’t really mean it.”

Christ what an asshole.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:12:19pm

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!?

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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:12:32pm

A silver lining (I hope) this short sentence puts paid to any talk of a pardon. It’s better just to serve the four years than pay extra money hoping for a pardon.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:12:52pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:14:04pm

Judge Amy Berman Jackson is going to have the last word on this clownshoes bullshit.

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BeachDem  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:15:45pm

re: #305 Backwoods_Sleuth

8 felonies comes to about 6 months per felony.

non-white rich folks get more than 6 months per misdemeanor…and god forbid you be a migrant asylum seeker…

Then there’s mistakenly voting in Texas when you’re on parole:

Mason, a 43-year-old mother of three, has been sentenced to five years in Texas state penitentiary - with extra time pending in federal lock-up.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:20:09pm

So the judge gave him less time than the defense even asked for.

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plansbandc  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:25:31pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:27:12pm
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CarolJ  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:27:52pm

About impeachment: regardless of outcome, impeachment ends the process. And a failed impeachment ends even the Congressional oversight function. Better to avoid the topic and continue to dig, dig, dig. Work hard everyday and make the case. And remember: Cohen is going to jail. Manafort is going to jail. Not as long as we would like, but they are going, and both will be broke afterwards and for the rest of their lives.

And we haven’t even counted the state charges, and other charges may come up as a result of the investigations by Congress, Mueller, and State Attorneys General. And Manafort has already lost $46 million in assets, and will probably have to turn over any remaining to his soon to be ex-wife. (Guys like that usually end up divorced while in prison)

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:31:16pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:32:32pm

The US judiciary is full of hard-right judges who will happily play the role of Judge Neithardt (the Nazi-sympathetic judge for Hitler’s treason trial after the failed Beer Hall putsch) if/when the time comes.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:32:53pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:33:10pm

Will I go to hell if I start cheering for the gout?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:33:31pm

Yep.

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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:34:11pm

re: #319 EPR-radar

The US judiciary is full of hard-right judges who will happily play the role of Judge Neithardt (the Nazi-sympathetic judge for Hitler’s treason trial after the failed Beer Hall putsch) if/when the time comes.

And thanks to McConnell and the GOP were getting more of them in place every week for at least the next two years.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:34:27pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:36:04pm

re: #322 Patricia Kayden

Yep.

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She’s black.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:36:51pm

re: #322 Patricia Kayden

Yep.

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But don’t tell me about white privilege.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:40:22pm

GOP Congressman: Jesus Says Poor People Don’t Want Health Care

Conservative congressman opposes medicare expansion because Jesus teaches that poor people don’t really want health care.

Rep. Roger Marshall, (R-KS) uses Jesus to justify his opposition to Obamacare by explaining that poor people will reject health care, just like Jesus said.

In a recent interview with STAT News, the conservative Christian lawmaker explained why he believes some poor people just don’t want health care:

Just like Jesus said, ‘The poor will always be with us.’ There is a group of people that just don’t want health care and aren’t going to take care of themselves.

Just, like, homeless people … I think just morally, spiritually, socially, [some people] just don’t want health care. The Medicaid population, which is [on] a free credit card, as a group, do probably the least preventive medicine and taking care of themselves and eating healthy and exercising. And I’m not judging, I’m just saying socially that’s where they are. So there’s a group of people that even with unlimited access to health care are only going to use the emergency room when their arm is chopped off or when their pneumonia is so bad they get brought [into] the ER.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:41:12pm

re: #327 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Jesus would want you to resign.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:41:22pm
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:41:46pm

re: #322 Patricia Kayden

Yep.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:42:57pm

IOKIYAR STRIKES AGAIN

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:48:45pm

Smart money now is that the DC judge goes nuclear on him and give max sentence served consecutively. Even then he would still come in under the original guidelines for the charges in VA.

In all seriousness, 47 months for 30 million in graft?? He comes out ahead! 4 years in prison for 30 million is a bet many people would take.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:48:51pm

re: #330 Scottish Dragon

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Yep. And there are tons of cases like this. I guess it helps to have powerful friends,

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:49:17pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Yep. And there are tons of cases like this. I guess it helps to have powerful friends,

Da!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:52:16pm

re: #321 wrenchwench

Will I go to hell if I start cheering for the gout?

Frankly, I think the gout defense got him the limited sentence.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:53:19pm

re: #335 Barefoot Grin

Frankly, I think the gout defense got him the limited sentence.

Then I feel it’s my duty.

Go Gout!

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Amory Blaine  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:54:18pm

Weeeee!!! We could do this all day!!

Former Milwaukee County jailer gets 30 days for role in inmate Terrill Thomas’ dehydration death

James Ramsey-Guy was following an order when he turned off the water to Terrill Thomas’ single cell, but he never recorded that action or told the next shift, and Thomas, who suffered from mental illness, was found dead in his cell a week later.

Ramsey-Guy, 39, had been charged with abusing a resident of a penal facility, a felony. But after two days of testimony at his trial in January, he pleaded guilty to obstructing an officer, a misdemeanor, based on his testimony under oath at a 2017 inquest into Thomas’ death.

And David Clarke has a cushy gig on Trumps wall project.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:55:38pm

re: #336 wrenchwench

Then I feel it’s my duty.

Go Gout!

Let the first among us, something, something, throw a kidney stone (in to boot).

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:55:49pm

re: #319 EPR-radar

The US judiciary is full of hard-right judges who will happily play the role of Judge Neithardt (the Nazi-sympathetic judge for Hitler’s treason trial after the failed Beer Hall putsch) if/when the time comes.

But they want to be Roland Freisler in the trial of the Hitler assassination plotters.

340
Eventual Carrion  Mar 7, 2019 • 4:59:01pm

re: #153 Scout

I love print media.

Yes, I know I’m a dying breed. You don’t have to rub it in.

Oh I do. I love reading in the tub. And I have subscriptions to National Geographic (regular and History) and Scientific American, and many softcover books that I have yet to read. I could just see me dropping my phone in the water if I tried to use it or my tablet in the tub.

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wrenchwench  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:02:31pm

re: #340 Eventual Carrion

Oh I do. I love reading in the tub. And I have subscriptions to National Geographic (regular and History) and Scientific American, and many softcover books that I have yet to read. I could just see me dropping my phone in the water if I tried to use it or my tablet in the tub.

I read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy in the tub one day.

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BeachDem  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:02:57pm

$50,000 fine, reportedly the lowest he could have gotten, apparently seems “fair” to this whackjob judge.

Ugh

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:06:36pm

“Otherwise blameless life.”

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Scout  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:09:50pm

Golly gee, just another day in America:

Wife, 2 Friends Killed at Her Birthday Party After She Tried to Stop Husband From Driving Drunk

Link

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:15:24pm

Hope so!

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:15:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:17:05pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

I read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy in the tub one day.

one way to know you’re keeping your towel close to hand.

just in case…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:25:28pm

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Belafon  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:26:10pm

re: #345 Patricia Kayden

Hope so!

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Manafort to the Appeals court judge: “Your honor, we think this judge overreacted in regard to the earlier sentence. Is conspiring against the country really a worse crime than fraud?”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 7, 2019 • 5:27:55pm

Local law enforcement officer arrested for 3rd time since November

LEVELLAND, Texas - A Hockley County grand jury indicted Constable Michael Lance Scott, 45, for stalking and abuse of official capacity. The office of District Attorney said Scott was accused of following a 19-year-old at her job. The indictment said Scott’s behavior toward her made her feel threatened.

Scott was also accused in the indictment of misusing a government-issued credit card.

In addition to the indictment, Scott was arrested in November for driving while intoxicated. He was also arrested in January for family violence, and then this week he was arrested on the indictment.


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