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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:02:56am

The Invisible Hand of the Unregulated Free market is busy dialing your number right now as we speak

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:05:42am

re: #1 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The Invisible Hand of the Unregulated Free market is busy dialing your number right now as we speak

For a limited time only… we are offering a deal for a value pack of calls from companies that have absolutely nothing to offer you.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:07:37am

I have a very elegant solution for robocalls… I block every fucking one that calls me. If you’re not important enough to be in my contacts, I don’t need to fucking hear from you.

I’ve got probably 100+ blocked numbers on my phone.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:09:13am
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Dr Lizardo  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:09:15am

The Brexit lunacy continues apace.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:09:23am

Also, the joke at Susan Collins’ expense was fucking perfect.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:09:44am

re: #3 KGxvi

I have a very elegant solution for robocalls… I block every fucking one that calls me. If you’re not important enough to be in my contacts, I don’t need to fucking hear from you.

I’ve got probably 100+ blocked numbers on my phone.

Or, lose the landline and just get a smartphone. They suck for actually making/receiving calls.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:10:32am

re: #7 lawhawk

Or, lose the landline and just get a smartphone. They suck for actually making/receiving calls.

/

Oh, I don’t have a landline, just my iphone. It’s very easy to block calls on that.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:10:58am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Nunes isn’t going to pick it up. He’s going to hope his landscaper does it (and what are odds that he’s hiring undocumented workers too).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:11:18am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:13:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:15:30am
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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:16:06am
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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:17:11am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

For what it’s worth, the 22nd district may be tiring of his bullshit. He did get 57.6% in the primary but dropped to just 52% in the two person general election. That’s down from 72% in 2014, and 67% in 2016 in the general elections.

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plansbandc  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:17:51am

re: #11 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not shocked and horrified by the comments, he’s shocked and horrified that they’ve been made public.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:24:11am

there was a recent incident in Newport Beach, CA.

Shock and disgust on campuses after Newport-Mesa students are pictured saluting a makeshift swastika, though some aren’t surprised

One of my college roommates ( 1978) lives there and attended this meeting. The back of his head is in the picture of the audience:

In wake of teens’ swastika party, speakers at Corona del Mar High forum urge solution to ‘casual approach’ to hate

I have a few thoughts:

First, I don’t believe any of the kid/participants.
No, they (apparently) weren’t card carrying members of the “Atomwaffen Division” like this bozo who killed a gay, jewish college student in the same affluent area (someone he knew from high school).

Still this was not accidental or a joke, as they are claiming. They could have stopped anytime along the way when it became obvious, even to them, what they were doing.

Their asinine explanation is all a post hoc excuse to minimize the damage and their future reputations.

They knew what they were doing, and that it was wrong, and not a joke or funny while they were doing it.

And posting it on social media? Under any circumstance? They thought other people would ‘know’ they were joking?

No. Posting it just means they are stupid besides. that is unless they were trying to broadcast it.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:28:42am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:29:40am

re: #3 KGxvi

I have a very elegant solution for robocalls… I block every fucking one that calls me. If you’re not important enough to be in my contacts, I don’t need to fucking hear from you.

I’ve got probably 100+ blocked numbers on my phone.

ditto
if you dont leave a message, you’re not looking for me

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:31:26am

re: #16 Man, DangerMan

Newport and Costa Mesa are fairly wealthy towns. Like, you’re not going to find a house for less than a million dollars in Newport Beach, and condos are probably going to run in the high six figures. Costa Mesa isn’t quite as high dollar, but it’s close.

These kids are the types that should know better, and likely do know better. Which makes this even worse.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:32:05am

re: #18 Man, DangerMan

ditto
if you dont leave a message, you’re not looking for me

Hell, even the ones that leave messages get blocked. I might listen to the first one, just in case, but it’s getting blocked nonetheless.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:33:35am

re: #3 KGxvi

I have a very elegant solution for robocalls… I block every fucking one that calls me. If you’re not important enough to be in my contacts, I don’t need to fucking hear from you.

I’ve got probably 100+ blocked numbers on my phone.

Yeahbut, they are programmed to CHANGE THEIR NUMBER after every fucking call!

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:33:51am

re: #8 KGxvi

Oh, I don’t have a landline, just my iphone. It’s very easy to block calls on that.

the one ‘mistake’ we made when dumping the house landline was porting it to googlevoice and then forwarding the calls to our cells. we were worried about doctors and other infrequent contacts losing touch with us totally

unfortunately the robocalls follow the landline #

it took a while to get the contact list current, so we could probably dump the google voice number now

one ‘advantage’ is calls to the google voice number transfer and ring both our cell phones. if i hear both phones ring, i dont budge. i let mrs dm get up

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:37:01am

Reuters is reporting that the stricken Ethiopian airliner that crashed appeared to be trailing smoke and was shuddering before it crashed. This would tend to suggest something other than a software/control failure.

The Ethiopian Airlines plane that crashed killing 157 people was making a strange rattling noise and trailed smoke and debris as it swerved above a field of panicked cows before hitting earth, according to witnesses.

The black boxes have been recovered, so hopefully we might be able to get answers as to what happened.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:37:49am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Embedded content]

A) Nice “garden”.
B) Why the fuck is he littering in his own garden?
C) I’d be interested to know whether the trash service in his district is run through the municipality, which would be, you now, actual socialism.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:40:48am

re: #21 The Vicious Babushka

Yeahbut, they are programmed to CHANGE THEIR NUMBER after every fucking call!

Oh, I know, which is why I’ve literally got over a 100 numbers blocked.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:42:22am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

What dopey victimization scam be next week for conservatives to literally grasp at?

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:42:39am

Me talk pretty one day.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:43:20am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:44:19am

So, about DST…getting rid of it WOULD save time every year.

I feel like I spend about an hour going around changing clocks twice a year, every year…

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:45:04am

re: #28 jaunte

Could you imagine if someone suggested cutting defense spending by 10%, let alone 32%?

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:47:25am

re: #16 Man, DangerMan

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:58:40am

re: #29 Sufficient unto the day…

So, about DST…getting rid of it WOULD save time every year.

I feel like I spend about an hour going around changing clocks twice a year, every year…

The two to three days of being groggy from the time change cost me time and money.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:05:16am

re: #30 KGxvi

Could you imagine if someone suggested cutting defense spending by 10%, let alone 32%?

We first have to repeal the tax bill in total. Of course, that’s not possible until we have control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:06:06am

Trump is a compulsive, absolutely pathological liar and Republicans are fine with that.

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ThomasLite  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:09:06am

re: #23 lawhawk

Reuters is reporting that the stricken Ethiopian airliner that crashed appeared to be trailing smoke and was shuddering before it crashed. This would tend to suggest something other than a software/control failure.

The black boxes have been recovered, so hopefully we might be able to get answers as to what happened.

Thing is, you’re going to see initial reports like that in something like 2/3 of crashes that have witnesses on the ground. I’m not saying people are lying, but the idea they saw a tube of 100+ folks about to die fly overhead just now seems to play tricks on them.
Plenty of crashes where flames and/or a mid-air breakup could 100% positively be ruled out where such reports surfaced in the first few days.
Maybe this bird was trailing flames. Maybe. But honestly, let’s wait for the FDR data before believing any of that. Initial photographs from the crash site suggest a very high vertical velocity at impact but even then, it probably shouldn’t take more than a few days for the black boxes to be found (and modern day digital recorders have very, very impact-resistant recording media).

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:12:24am

re: #35 ThomasLite

Totally agree, which is also why I said that they have the FDR and VR so they might have a sense of what was going on in the cockpit and with the systems, and whether there was a mechanical failure, a systems failure, cockpit issue, or other issue (or combination of problems).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:12:26am

re: #17 lawhawk

Bravo for Wonder Woman >> Wonder Woman slams Netanyahu over his dirty politics and his crusade to make Israeli Arabs second-class citizens

We cannot tolerate anti-Semitism among our comic book heroines!!!

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:16:37am

re: #19 KGxvi

Newport and Costa Mesa are fairly wealthy towns. Like, you’re not going to find a house for less than a million dollars in Newport Beach, and condos are probably going to run in the high six figures. Costa Mesa isn’t quite as high dollar, but it’s close.

These kids are the types that should know better, and likely do know better. Which makes this even worse.

spot on
one of the articles links to another story specifically about addressing that ‘privilege’

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:21:36am

I’ve been busy this morning and I made a reply to a comment and posted it to then realize everyone moved on to this thread. Here is is again.

- - -

Probably already mentioned but the Boeing DC 737-800 does have a manual override system for their anti-stall program. The problem seems to have been Boeing didn’t inform their customers enough on how this system works and how to override it manually. Many pilots were not informed of the new system, how it works and what to do if the sensor inputs get screwed up.

I saw an America pilot do a demo on how to shut it down. It seemed simple enough, but if you don’t know and in a panic situation you are screwed.

Seems like both Boeing and the airline companies needed much better communications. And both planes that have crashed recently are foreign companies operating them, so who knows how the communications went when trying to explain the new procedures.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:24:14am

re: #19 KGxvi

These kids are the types that should know better, and likely do know better. Which makes this even worse.

Alternate take:

These kids are exactly the types the take these ideas on board because they’re already used to being told they’re better than others.

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jeffreyw  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:24:18am

re: #18 Man, DangerMan

ditto
if you dont leave a message, you’re not looking for me

My voicemail greeting was “do not leave a message because I don’t read them, call me back if you need to speak to me”. My voicemail box filled up soon after. I haven’t emptied it. I mean, really, text me if you need to but I will not be bothered to track down my phone when it rings. And it does “ring”, none of that nonsense of playing a cute melody. Git offa my lawn.

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plansbandc  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:26:09am

re: #41 jeffreyw

My phone plays the Doctor Who theme from the Tenth Doctor’s era.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:27:19am

re: #42 plansbandc

I’ve got mine doing the 11th.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:27:52am

“Never Trump” David Frum parroting Trump on immigration.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:32:18am

re: #33 Hecuba’s daughter

We first have to repeal the tax bill in total. Of course, that’s not possible until we have control of the House, Senate, and Presidency.

Funny story…

My mom is an all in Trump supporter, she’s Team R whatever it means - despite being fairly liberal on social issues (pro-choice, pro-gay rights), she’s basically a one issue voter and that one issue is “lower taxes”.

So last week her accountant came by to do her taxes. Afterwards she was bitching because “those damn Democrats” screwed her by changing the rules on depreciation of real estate assets - making it longer rather than shorter (recently bought a building for the family business). When I reminded her that “no, that was your boy that did that with the tax cuts” she insisted it was the Dems.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:33:12am

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

Forestry, fishing, and farming are three of the most dangerous industries in the United States. They are 46 percent reliant on immigrant laborers, half of them undocumented. (Documented and undocumented immigrants together make up only 17 percent of the U.S. workforce as a whole.) Building and grounds maintenance is surprisingly dangerous work: 326 people died in 2017. Some 35 percent of grounds workers are immigrants. About 25 percent of construction workers are immigrants, but immigrants supply almost half the workers in the most dangerous areas, notably roofing and drywalling. When so many workers in a job category toil outside the law, the law won’t offer much protection.

Frum has things backward, blaming the labor force for lack of job protection.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:35:15am

Rather, he’s blaming them for lack of health and safety protections at their jobs. These are protections that conservatives want to take away from everyone. It’s not the fault of immigrating workers.

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plansbandc  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:35:24am

I’m so tired of anti immigration bullshit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:35:48am

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Trump is a compulsive, absolutely pathological liar and Republicans are fine with that.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:36:03am

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

“Never Trump” David Frum parroting Trump on immigration.

In reality, slavery proves it wasn’t. In the abstract, women not being allowed to vote proves it wasn’t.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:38:52am

re: #3 KGxvi

I have a very elegant solution for robocalls… I block every fucking one that calls me. If you’re not important enough to be in my contacts, I don’t need to fucking hear from you.

I’ve got probably 100+ blocked numbers on my phone.

That doesn’t help when most of the time they are spoofing the numbers.

Those numbers you have blocked…call some and you might see they are bogus. You’ll get the no longer a working number or can’t place the call as dialed messages.

I get probably 6 to 10 a day. Mostly for credit card upgrades, health insurance and for medical devices like back and knee braces. A new one is someone calling saying they are looking at my AEP electric rates and want to give me a great rate.

I make the calls to who I want to do business with or not. I never give anyone anything over the phone in a call I didn’t make.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:39:57am

jeebus

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:40:26am
“Heavy immigration has enabled the powerful—and the policy makers who disproportionately heed the powerful—to pay less attention to the disarray in so many segments of the U.S. population. Because the country imports so many workers, employers do not miss the labor of the millions of men consigned to long-term incarceration. Without the immigrant workers less prone to abuse drugs than the native-born, American elites might have noticed the opioid epidemic before it killed more Americans than died in the Vietnam, Korean, and Iraq Wars and the 9/11 attacks combined.”

Who is he kidding? The Sacklers ARE “American elites.” They don’t care if they kill Americans if that’s what it takes to get rich.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:40:47am

re: #51 ObserverArt

That doesn’t help when most of the time they are spoofing the numbers.

Those numbers you have blocked…call some and you might see they are bogus. You’ll get the no longer a working number or can’t place the call as dialed messages.

I get probably 6 to 10 a day. Mostly for credit card upgrades, health insurance and for medical devices like back and knee braces. A new one is someone calling saying they are looking at my AEP electric rates and want to give me a great rate.

I make the calls to who I want to do business with or not. I never give anyone anything over the phone in a call I didn’t make.

I ran into a problem with this system when I was getting my roof replaced. Allstate’s handlers work from their homes, and so I was ignoring numbers that didn’t say Allstate. I almost didn’t get my roof paid for.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:41:25am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Really? Nunes is going to make a big thing about plastic straws.

And this guy is an elected congressman.

I guess his district’s constituents must not be concerned about real stuff like healthcare insurance, fair taxation, etc.

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plansbandc  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:41:53am

The Women’s World Cup kits have been unveiled and they are really beautiful!

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:43:02am

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

There are people who will never stop pretending that from colonization onward, exploitation of cheap labor that specifically has less or no franchise has been a part of how our society functioned.

Enslavement, indenture, migrant labor, prison labor, outsourced labor…and now, gig economy jobs…are all expressions of the same thing.

Complaining about the people at the bottom in a position that they have to do that work is a built-in feature.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:43:50am
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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:44:06am

re: #56 plansbandc

But does it come with equal pay?

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:44:47am

re: #51 ObserverArt

That doesn’t help when most of the time they are spoofing the numbers.

Those numbers you have blocked…call some and you might see they are bogus. You’ll get the no longer a working number or can’t place the call as dialed messages.

I get probably 6 to 10 a day. Mostly for credit card upgrades, health insurance and for medical devices like back and knee braces. A new one is someone calling saying they are looking at my AEP electric rates and want to give me a great rate.

I make the calls to who I want to do business with or not. I never give anyone anything over the phone in a call I didn’t make.

The spoof I’ve been seeing is that they use the same three digit prefix as my number. That way it “looks” like a local call. But it’s a cell number I’ve had since I was in high school (originally an “emergency only” phone) and I’ve never actually met anyone else with that same prefix. But yeah, anything that comes across with a toll free number or from out of area, it gets blocked; anything that doesn’t leave a message, it gets blocked; anything that does leave a message, it gets blocked.

I’m down to less than one a day, though my phone does still log the voicemails from blocked numbers. Which, I usually delete without listening to.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:45:44am

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Trump is a compulsive, absolutely pathological liar and Republicans are fine with that.

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they dont care as long as they get what they want

i wonder if they realize what a dangerous game this is - playing with the unstable and unpredictable
- he could ‘snap’ and **boom**
- or reverse course and all of a sudden just run right over them

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:47:22am

re: #60 KGxvi

I’m down to less than one a day, though my phone does still log the voicemails from blocked numbers. Which, I usually delete without listening to.

The voice recognition translations are great for rapidly removing unwanted calls from voicemail.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:48:05am

re: #55 ObserverArt

Really? Nunes is going to make a big thing about plastic straws.

And this guy is an elected congressman.

I guess his district’s constituents must not be concerned about real stuff like healthcare insurance, fair taxation, etc.

C’mon, Nunes. Get off the straws and get on the anti-hamburger tyrannies!

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:48:05am

Pathetic.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:49:12am

And we have to pay her for this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:49:12am
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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:50:25am

re: #61 Man, DangerMan

they dont care as long as they get what they want

i wonder if they realize what a dangerous game this is - playing with the unstable and unpredictable
- he could ‘snap’ and **boom**
- or reverse course and all of a sudden just run right over them

That’s been a theory floated since early in the primaries when the attack line was “he’s been a Democrat his whole life!”

But here’s the thing. They (those in positions of power and influence, at least) know that he isn’t a details guy, hell, he’s not even a big picture guy. He doesn’t read, he’s got the attention span of a gnat with ADHD. So they know that they can get him to sign off on whatever they put in front of him. They’ll tell him it says X when it most certainly says “Not X” and he’ll sign it because that’s what playing the role of president is to him, signing shit in fancy ceremonies and giving speeches. And he’ll go along with whatever as long as his approval ratings among Republicans remain high - that’s basically his 18-40 TV demographic for ratings. As long as that one number is good, he’ll keep signing shit.

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plansbandc  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:50:52am

re: #59 lawhawk

Not, unfortunately, for most teams. New Zealand gets equal pay, and Norway will also. I hope the US Women win their lawsuit.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:51:02am

re: #41 jeffreyw

My voicemail greeting was “do not leave a message because I don’t read them, call me back if you need to speak to me”. My voicemail box filled up soon after. I haven’t emptied it. I mean, really, text me if you need to but I will not be bothered to track down my phone when it rings. And it does “ring”, none of that nonsense of playing a cute melody. Git offa my lawn.

i have been trying to explain to my mother for years that if she calls me and i dont pick up, i see that she called

she will still leave a vm “hi, it’s me. call me back”

meanwhile we’re transitioning her to reading the NYT website on a big tablet rather than the printed paper because five out of seven days its not delivered. (i can teamviewer it from my house so i dont have to rush over there)

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:51:50am

re: #64 jaunte

Actually… that’s the first smart thing she’s said in years. First accurate and vetted statement too.

You do not comment on active cases, especially when you’re speaking for the unindicted coconspirator in chief who is under investigation for widespread criminality cutting across multiple federal prosecutors plus the special counsel’s office, plus state investigators.

Oh, and I doubt anyone in the WH has gotten through to Trump that he’s this close to being indicted.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:52:26am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:52:54am

re: #44 DodgerFan1988

New @davidfrum cover story just published: “America was built on the revolutionary idea, never fully realized, that those who labor might also govern—that every worker should be a voter… The immigration surge has the effect of setting this ideal back.”

“Never Trump” David Frum parroting Trump on immigration.

so immigrants aren’t ‘workers’?

asshat

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:53:46am

“The president is the most accessible in modern history” Sarah Sanders says.

By Russia and China.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:54:30am

re: #73 jaunte

“The president is the most accessible in modern history” Sarah Sanders says.

By Russia and China.

and “our friends” the Saudis.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:55:33am

re: #51 ObserverArt

That doesn’t help when most of the time they are spoofing the numbers.

Those numbers you have blocked…call some and you might see they are bogus. You’ll get the no longer a working number or can’t place the call as dialed messages.

I get probably 6 to 10 a day. Mostly for credit card upgrades, health insurance and for medical devices like back and knee braces. A new one is someone calling saying they are looking at my AEP electric rates and want to give me a great rate.

I make the calls to who I want to do business with or not. I never give anyone anything over the phone in a call I didn’t make.

and i never click a link in an email. even verified ones from my bank, etc.
i always open a new window and use my chrome shortcuts

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:56:55am

re: #73 jaunte

“The president is the most accessible in modern history” Sarah Sanders says.

By Russia and China.

You too can buy your access to Trump with a tidy sum to Mar a Lago, or operate a totalitarian regime and leverage business dealings with him as Russia, China, and Saudi Arabia have done.

Or use your influence as a massage parlor operator that also doubles as a human trafficking ring to get your Chinese pals contacts with highest levels of Trumpworld and GOP.

Or pay your way into the NRA to spread your noxious views as the Russians did.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:57:18am

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Why do we bother with these ten year projections? When was the last time we followed any projection for more than two years?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:02:33pm

re: #64 jaunte

Asked if the White House denies that Trump is “Individual 1” in the SDNY case, Sarah Sanders refuses to answer, saying: “I’m not going to comment on an ongoing case.”

Pathetic.

- really, why wont you comment on an ongoing case?
- so it is an ongoing case?
- if so and he’s not individual 1 then why not say?

…oh….
i guess i didnt need to post this

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:05:05pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Trump budget proposes $845 billion Medicare cut

this is pointless theater

democratic house
. <——————————- that’s a period

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Jay C  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:06:11pm
re: #46 jaunte
re: #44 DodgerFan1988

Forestry, fishing, and farming are three of the most dangerous industries in the United States. They are 46 percent reliant on immigrant laborers, half of them undocumented. (Documented and undocumented immigrants together make up only 17 percent of the U.S. workforce as a whole.) Building and grounds maintenance is surprisingly dangerous work: 326 people died in 2017. Some 35 percent of grounds workers are immigrants. About 25 percent of construction workers are immigrants, but immigrants supply almost half the workers in the most dangerous areas, notably roofing and drywalling. When so many workers in a job category toil outside the law, the law won’t offer much protection.

Frum has things backward, blaming the labor force for lack of job protection.

I’m sure these numbers are quite correct, but also sure that facts and figures are - at best - a minor-verging-on-irrelevant part of the “immigration debate”. ISTM to be mostly a matter of enforcing prejudices: tossing out “illegals” (and making sure the rest of Those People know their “place”) in the name of maintaining White Supremacy is
s the main driver of policy.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:06:55pm

re: #74 KGxvi

and “our friends” the Saudis.

And our new great friend who loves the president, the NK guy.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:07:00pm

So what else does the Trump budget call for?

It eliminates the remainder of Obamacare and cuts Medicaid funding by $300 billion by taking the $1.5 trillion Medicaid program, including Obamacare, and turns it into a $1.2 trillion block grant program (no details offered, since this is vaporware as with everything else Trump does).

Trump also ups defense spending and tries to use off book accounting to hide the extra spending from the bean counters.

Trump cuts Social Security disability spending by $25 billion and student loan programs by over $200 billion (because who needs student loan forgiveness programs, or affordable higher education where only those who can buy their way into Harvard as Jared did can go). Throw in another $21 billion in cuts to TANF.

This budget is a GOP wet dream of gutting the safety net and hurting those least able to endure the harsh policies.

It would also savage infrastructure spending, basic government operations and services, all while fixated on Trump’s border wall, and defense spending (which doesn’t even begin to touch on Trump’s nonstop attacks on our allies and partners, while giving North Korea all the leverage it could hope to want in South East Asia).

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:07:38pm

re: #46 jaunte

Frum has things backward, blaming the labor force for lack of job protection.

Nothing in his article is original. He’s just repeating the talking points from FAIR (Federation for American Immigration Reform).

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:08:13pm
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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:09:43pm

re: #72 Man, DangerMan

so immigrants aren’t ‘workers’?

asshat

I think the point is supposed to be that immigrants aren’t voters. There is a small point in that, when a tech company brings over a couple hundred workers from India who cannot vote, then it weakens workers’ voting strength. But it’s a small point.

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:10:54pm

re: #42 plansbandc

My phone plays the Doctor Who theme from the Tenth Doctor’s era.

Mine is the excited voice of Pingu the Penguin.

Pingu - Noot Noot Sound Effect

My son loves penguins & this show was on constantly when he was young. So he joked I should use it and I tracked down a ring tone of it :)

It … confuses people :D who don’t know it.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:11:51pm

Heh.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:14:46pm

re: #85 Belafon

I think the point is supposed to be that immigrants aren’t voters. There is a small point in that, when a tech company brings over a couple hundred workers from India who cannot vote, then it weakens workers’ voting strength. But it’s a small point.

Quick fix: Make immigrant workers into citizen voters. That should allay Frum’s concern.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:16:33pm

re: #82 lawhawk

always a tweet:

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:16:51pm

Big question:

Who created Trump’s 2020 budget?

Like, it is clearly a wishlist of stuff that conservatives have wanted for decades, so who actually assembled the bits and pieces to create this budget? Who’s lobbied and spoken for the individual bits/pieces?

Because frankly, names need to named. Nothing Trump has done domestically has fallen outside what Republicans have been talking about doing, and it’s important that they not use him as a scapegoat.

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Jay C  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:17:06pm

re: #55 ObserverArt

Really? Nunes is going to make a big thing about plastic straws.

And this guy is an elected congressman.

I guess his district’s constituents must not be concerned about real stuff like healthcare insurance, fair taxation, etc.

Or farm policy: Nunes’ district is a big agricultural area: not sure if/how much they’ve been affected by Trump’s export policies, but they still returned Devin to Congress last time round (CA “blue wave” didn’t wash up to the 22nd). But given that his shabby record as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee in the last session is due for serious review (especially his covering-up for Trump) by the new Dem majority, one would think he’d want to keep a low profile.

But this straw nonsense is just typical of RW outrages-du-jour: a petty annoyance at worst: but, since it potentially affects so many people, a simpleminded excuse to pick at “nanny-state” eco-freaks hellbent on micro-manipulating everybody’s lives/habits.
Kind of on the “Green New Deal will make hamburgers illegal” level….

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:17:17pm

re: #17 lawhawk

Oh gee, lots of stuff in there about “dual loyalties”. Isn’t that anti-semitic? /tongue-in-cheek

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:17:25pm

re: #88 Decatur Deb

Quick fix: Make immigrant workers into citizen voters. That should allay Frum’s concern.

Yeah, I was going to say that immigrant workers are only non-voters at the beginning. Unless, of course, we’re talking about undocumented immigrants/workers. But that liberal pinko commie bastard Reagan had a pretty good solution to that problem in the 1980s.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:17:33pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:18:18pm

If anyone caught the crazy guy explaining his theory on how he knows the earth is flat thought he was crazy you would be right. But he really is crazier than that.

I checked his YouTube channel because I wanted to see if he had any other crazy shit to say. He doesn’t have a lot of YouTube videos, many are of him playing guitar badly.

But this one is the mother lode of cray-cray. He is discussing Q, the great awakening and the walk-away movement along with some Christian sermonizing and Trump…of course.

It’s long, but all you need to do is click on a spot and listen for a moment, the click on another spot on the time line, etc.

All I will say is: “they” are out there. Beware!

Prophetic Significance of Q, the Great Awakening & the Walk Away Movement

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:18:51pm

re: #93 KGxvi

Yeah, I was going to say that immigrant workers are only non-voters at the beginning. Unless, of course, we’re talking about undocumented immigrants/workers. But that liberal pinko commie bastard Reagan had a pretty good solution to that problem in the 1980s.

Frum worked here 7 years, starting with a slot IN THE WHITE HOUSE, before becoming a citizen.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:21:37pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:23:45pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:24:33pm
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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:24:38pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

That apple has left the barn, Donald.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:26:17pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:26:26pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah, let’s put an exclamation point after it became another bad Trump story…boom!!!

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:28:08pm
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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:31:26pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Today is the day that DrumPf became Pres…

Oh, forget it

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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:32:03pm

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

No, it was the Obama Shadow Government Deep State

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:32:04pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

Meant to post my reply.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:32:25pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

And more importantly his target audience does not give a shit.

They know he’s lying and they just don’t care.

The GOP is defective. I’m beginning to think this multiverse is fucked up and it needs the Thanos finger snap after all.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:34:25pm

re: #84 jaunte

“It was money. He paid him money, very good. Very honest President to pay money. It was just a check. Do you know DJT isn’t even taking his Salary because he’s just being a servant?”

////

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:35:54pm

Trump’s health care priorities are all kinds of fucked up. He’d screw tens of millions on Medicare/Medicaid/SSDI and then claims he’s going to end HIV/AIDS? He’s doing it by cannibalizing every other medical/health program out there.

Basic health services, including preventative health has a more beneficial and lasting effect (as does making sure that kids get proper meals, but Trump’s SNAP cuts would slash that too).

He’s not doing anything to expand vaccinations or call for ending any exemptions save for medical necessity.

He’s not doing anything except deflecting and dodging from the tax scam and gutting the safety net.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:36:03pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

The function of this kind of lying is not to obscure the truth, but to test who you have enough power over that they are willing to play along with the latest change.

Autocrats and narcissists have no use for the concept of validity. Truth, like everything else, is part of a power calculation. Veracity is relative to clout, just like morality is relative to clout, just like intelligence is moral to clout, etc.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:37:08pm

re: #107 lawhawk

And more importantly his target audience does not give a shit.

They know he’s lying and they just don’t care.

The GOP is defective. I’m beginning to think this multiverse is fucked up and it needs the Thanos finger snap after all.


1. So what DJT said ‘Tim Apple’. It was very common people of him to have called him that. It was funny.
2. Actually DJT didn’t say ‘Tim Apple’. Shut up fake news libtard media!
3. OK, DJT said ‘Tim Apple’. So what? Hey look over there AOC said a thing.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:38:41pm

re: #110 The Ghost of Quesos Past

The function of this kind of lying is not to obscure the truth, but to test who you have enough power over that they are willing to play along with the latest change.

Autocrats and narcissists have no use for the concept of validity. Truth, like everything else, is part of a power calculation. Veracity is relative to clout, just like morality is relative to clout, just like intelligence is moral to clout, etc.

I call it the Shibboleth of the Lie.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:42:38pm
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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:43:55pm

re: #109 lawhawk

Trump’s health care priorities are all kinds of fucked up. He’d screw tens of millions on Medicare/Medicaid/SSDI and then claims he’s going to end HIV/AIDS? He’s doing it by cannibalizing every other medical/health program out there.

Basic health services, including preventative health has a more beneficial and lasting effect (as does making sure that kids get proper meals, but Trump’s SNAP cuts would slash that too).

He’s not doing anything to expand vaccinations or call for ending any exemptions save for medical necessity.

He’s not doing anything except deflecting and dodging from the tax scam and gutting the safety net.

I’m surprised he hasn’t claimed credit yet for the two cured patients that have been announced.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:44:47pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:49:10pm

And the press wanted some more briefing sessions for what again?

So Sarah can spread even more of Trump’s bullshit and lie and deflect, is that it?

Maybe there is some good in the public again seeing this crap go on and hopefully more and more people get sick of him and help vote him out in 2020.

But damn this is infuriating.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:52:28pm

re: #84 jaunte

Reporter: Why did the president write a check to Michael Cohen for $35,000 in August of 2017 while he was here in the White House? What was that money for?

Sanders: I’m not aware of the specific topic.

sarah, do you have an actual soul?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:52:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 12:54:48pm

re: #52 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:01:53pm

uh

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:03:32pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

He’s a national security threat. Is she out of her goddamned mind?

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:07:05pm

re: #42 plansbandc

My phone plays the Doctor Who theme from the Tenth Doctor’s era.

Mine is a dial-up modem handshake squeal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:16:32pm

THREAD

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:17:32pm

Didn’t anybody ask Sarah about the Chinese spy selling access to Trump?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:18:49pm

That Pelosi story is only breaking news because it’s an “official” announcement. Pelosi has said she’s not in favor of impeachment before, I remember reading about it.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:20:07pm

I don’t agree with Pelosi here one bit, but I get that there’s a political calculus to win back the WH and Senate and not give the GOP a chance to retake the House.

The damage Trump has done is too great to avoid getting all this out in the open. Winning back the WH will not cure all the ills. An honest accounting of what the GOP did is absolutely critical.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:22:08pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

That Pelosi story is only breaking news because it’s an “official” announcement. Pelosi has said she’s not in favor of impeachment before, I remember reading about it.

Yup. Back when the Democrats retook the house and she was asked about impeachment then. I’m sure she’s still cool to the idea, but if Mueller and the EDNY/SDNY/EDVA continue to point to prosecution and far more serious crimes, it might change her tune and that of the caucus.

Still, the GOP controlled Senate means that the odds that Trump avoids removal is pretty high even if Trump is impeached by the House.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:27:11pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Yup. Back when the Democrats retook the house and she was asked about impeachment then. I’m sure she’s still cool to the idea, but if Mueller and the EDNY/SDNY/EDVA continue to point to prosecution and far more serious crimes, it might change her tune and that of the caucus.

Still, the GOP controlled Senate means that the odds that Trump avoids removal is pretty high even if Trump is impeached by the House.

I can’t read the article because of the paywall. But the headline (which, let’s be honest, is going to get a lot of attention) of “he’s not worth it” is fucking stupid. If that’s based on something she said, it’s fucking stupid. If it’s a summary of her general tone, it’s fucking stupid. Every member of Congress takes an oath to protect and defend the constitution, Trump has spent two years playing the proverbial bull in a china shop with respect to the constitution and our system of government. If that’s not worth it, than nothing is.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:27:23pm

re: #127 lawhawk

Yup. Back when the Democrats retook the house and she was asked about impeachment then. I’m sure she’s still cool to the idea, but if Mueller and the EDNY/SDNY/EDVA continue to point to prosecution and far more serious crimes, it might change her tune and that of the caucus.

Still, the GOP controlled Senate means that the odds that Trump avoids removal is pretty high even if Trump is impeached by the House.

And, right now, there’s nothing out there investigated and presented as the kind of evidence that could be used to call for impeachment. The Mueller report, as you said, or House investigations could change that.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:29:10pm

re: #129 Belafon

And, right now, there’s nothing out there investigated and presented as the kind of evidence that could be used to call for impeachment. The Mueller report, as you said, or House investigations could change that.

The guys on Pod Save America always make this point: if the shit Trump says routinely on twitter were on a taped phone call or an internal memo, they’d be smoking guns. But he just does all his crimes in broad daylight and everyone’s like “well, what are you going to do?”

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:30:21pm

re: #126 lawhawk

I don’t agree with Pelosi on this because he’s done serious damage already. He’s an agent of a foreign adversary, a business criminal, and starting to lose what little brains he had to begin with. We’ve been mostly “OK” because we are cruising along on the inertia that a strong system has, but it wont last forever and is beginning to putter out. Shit will get really bad, really fast when it does and much of it will be irreparable.

We don’t have Mattis and Kelly stopping him from starting World War III anymore either. This is the emergency. He needs to be gone yesterday.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:32:39pm

re: #72 Man, DangerMan

so immigrants aren’t ‘workers’?

asshat

And they’re coming to take our jobs!

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:34:43pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson
re: #126 lawhawk
Pelosi knows that running the impeachment track will be a dead end once it hits the Senate (cf. Clinton)

Now if she’s thinking that criminal charges from the US and State(s) will be proffered while Trump is in office and avoiding the impeachment process? Now that is a road less traveled.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:38:22pm

re: #98 goddamnedfrank

At a recent round table meeting of business executives, & long after formally introducing Tim Cook of Apple, I quickly referred to Tim + Apple as Tim/Apple as an easy way to save time & words. The Fake News was disparagingly all over this, & it became yet another bad Trump story!

and you have so much time on your hands you feel you need to set the record straight on this?

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:39:42pm

re: #130 KGxvi

The guys on Pod Save America always make this point: if the shit Trump says routinely on twitter were on a taped phone call or an internal memo, they’d be smoking guns. But he just does all his crimes in broad daylight and everyone’s like “well, what are you going to do?”

Mostly because there’s not actually been any real follow through. He’s really is kind of like the crazy uncle. Now, that memo Sessions signed that directs the DOJ to find something on Clinton? That would be the kind of thing that could get some people in trouble.

I wish the bar on Trump weren’t set so high, but with impeachment being as much of a political act as a legal one, we have to clear the people that were elected through gerrymandering and an overabundance of small states being conservative.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:41:09pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

uh

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“unless…”

She’s lived in that environment 60 hrs per week for 17 terms.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:42:31pm

re: #113 jaunte

Sanders falsely accuses Democrats of “agreeing on the fact that they are comfortable ripping babies from the mother’s womb, or killing a baby after birth.”

- some democrats or every single last one?
- any republicans agree on this fact? none? not even one?

idiot

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:43:22pm

re: #133 Eric The Fruit Bat

Pelosi knows that running the impeachment track will be a dead end once it hits the Senate (cf. Clinton)

Now if she’s thinking that criminal charges from the US and State(s) will be proffered while Trump is in office and avoiding the impeachment process? Now that is a road less traveled.

If Trump is the subject to a criminal indictment and they try to unseal that indictment, impeachment must happen. You can’t have the president running the country from a prison cell, or attempting to pardon himself and his family/staff (but I repeat myself), or ordering the charges dropped.

The whole reasoning behind “a sitting president can’t be indicted” is because all executive power in our system flows from the office of the president. He would effectively be on both sides of the “v” in United States v. Trump; he could tell the AG to drop the charges, and as the AG (and the US Attorney) serve at the pleasure of the president, the AG would have to follow the order or resign (or be fired). It’s the Saturday Night Massacre all over again, in that scenario.

Here’s the other thing, the special counsel regulations contain this provision (28 CFR 600.8(c)):

At the conclusion of the Special Counsel’s work, he or she shall provide the Attorney General with a confidential report explaining the prosecution or declination decisions reached by the Special Counsel.

That’s the report that everyone is waiting on. And if it includes a section saying, “we can (or have) prepared indictments for the following causes of action against the president (see exhibits A through ZZZ), but did not file them because of DOJ regulations/policy regarding the indictment of a sitting president…” the feces shall collide with the ventilation system in a very real and big way.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:43:53pm

re: #137 Man, DangerMan

- some democrats or every single last one?
- any republicans agree on this fact? none? not even one?

idiot

It’s simple bullshit. Zero Democrats are comfortable with killing a baby after it’s born.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:44:40pm

re: #135 Belafon

Mostly because there’s not actually been any real follow through. He’s really is kind of like the crazy uncle. Now, that memo Sessions signed that directs the DOJ to find something on Clinton? That would be the kind of thing that could get some people in trouble.

I wish the bar on Trump weren’t set so high, but with impeachment being as much of a political act as a legal one, we have to clear the people that were elected through gerrymandering and an overabundance of small states being conservative.

Just because he doesn’t succeed in obstructing justice doesn’t mean that he’s not attempting to obstruct justice. It’s the act, not the outcome, that makes it a crime.

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BeachDem  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:46:55pm

re: #128 KGxvi

I can’t read the article because of the paywall. But the headline (which, let’s be honest, is going to get a lot of attention) of “he’s not worth it” is fucking stupid. If that’s based on something she said, it’s fucking stupid. If it’s a summary of her general tone, it’s fucking stupid. Every member of Congress takes an oath to protect and defend the constitution, Trump has spent two years playing the proverbial bull in a china shop with respect to the constitution and our system of government. If that’s not worth it, than nothing is.

Her actual quote (bolding mine)
I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:48:21pm

re: #138 KGxvi

If Trump is the subject to a criminal indictment and they try to unseal that indictment, impeachment must happen. …

Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path,…

That would presumably be her “unless”.

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Interesting Times  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:48:24pm

re: #141 BeachDem

“compelling” and “overwhelming” I can understand, but “bipartisan”? She’s got to know by now that the entire GOP is complicit.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:49:19pm

re: #126 lawhawk

Trump has done more criminal misconduct than every one of his predecessors - and that includes Nixon, Reagan, and Clinton.

…put together

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:50:00pm

re: #143 Interesting Times

“compelling” and “overwhelming” I can understand, but “bipartisan”? She’s got to know by now that the entire GOP is complicit.

Which is why a sucessful impeachment, with conviction, might be a no-go. (And if it works, we get Pence.)

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:50:36pm

re: #143 Interesting Times

“compelling” and “overwhelming” I can understand, but “bipartisan”? She’s got to know by now that the entire GOP is complicit.

And it takes 2/3 of the Senate to convict.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:50:58pm

re: #132 Eventual Carrion

And they’re coming to take our jobs!

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Mike Lamb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:51:07pm

re: #141 BeachDem

Her actual quote (bolding mine)
I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.

Scratch out the “bipartisan” part, and I’d agree. There’s nothing that would get true bipartisan support.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:51:15pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Which is why a sucessful impeachment, with conviction, might be a no-go. (And if it works, we get Pence.)

Which I’m OK with. If we can remove Trump, we must. Then we deal with Pence.

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ericblair  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:51:50pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path,…

That would presumably be her “unless”.

I would fucking hope so; otherwise, impeachment is an utterly useless tool except for congressional Republicans to attack Democratic presidents for any reason they like.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:52:39pm

re: #123 Backwoods_Sleuth

Senator @BenSasse and I wrote an op-ed for @WSJopinion together on the need to protect babies who survive abortions. This should not be a partisan issue, please read here:

point to one instance where this has happened

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:54:37pm
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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:54:46pm

re: #150 ericblair

I would fucking hope so; otherwise, impeachment is an utterly useless tool except for congressional Republicans to attack Democratic presidents for any reason they like.

If most of one side and half of the other are actual honest, patriotic public servants it works as designed. Or maybe we’re talking about the here and now.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:57:02pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path,…

That would presumably be her “unless”.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:57:13pm

re: #144 Man, DangerMan

…put together

How many presidential crimes would you have to compile to reach Trump levels? He’s basically at the Harding/Teapot Dome level right? Just below Andrew “Crimes Against Humanity” Jackson?

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:57:59pm

re: #152 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Brian should also compare the number of times Obama and Trump went to their respective private properties and golfed, thereby putting government dollars in their pockets.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:59:08pm

re: #154 Man, DangerMan

That went all wrong for Timmy Turner.

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 1:59:10pm
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BeachDem  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:01:09pm

re: #151 Man, DangerMan

point to one instance where this has happened

If Meghan were not John McCain’s daughter, not only would she not be “writing” editorials for the WSJ, she’d probably be hard pressed to come up with the cash to buy a subscription. My favorite moron Meghan moment:

Paul Begala Schools Meghan McCain

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:02:14pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Nail them all, regardless of party.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:04:04pm

re: #155 KGxvi

How many presidential crimes would you have to compile to reach Trump levels? He’s basically at the Harding/Teapot Dome level right? Just below Andrew “Crimes Against Humanity” Jackson?

forgetting the ‘put together’ part

i read something the other day, and didnt bookmark it - id have to bookmark most of the internet

it said that the drip drip drip of the trump admin coupled with his incessant lying, plus all the investigations now ongoing, coupled with the guilty pleas of all those people from with his gravitational pull, the likely interference if not actual complicity with hostile foreign governments, is by far the worst thing as scandal and danger to happen to the country, ever.

far worse than jackson, teapot dome (mere bribery), even watergate

and as a side note both watergate and the current russia investigation involve R’s breaking into D’s campaign offices - physical and virtual

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:07:41pm

re: #161 Man, DangerMan

forgetting the ‘put together’ part

i read something the other day, and didnt bookmark it - id have to bookmark most of the internet

it said that the drip drip drip of the trump admin coupled with his incessant lying, plus all the investigations now ongoing, coupled with the guilty pleas of all those people from with his gravitational pull, the likely interference if not actual complicity with hostile foreign governments, is by far the worst thing as scandal and danger to happen to the country, ever.

far worse than jackson, teapot dome (mere bribery), even watergate

and as a side note both watergate and the current russia investigation involve R’s breaking into D’s campaign offices - physical and virtual

If/when this fever breaks, a lot of people are going to look back at Trump and claim they didn’t support him. It’ll be slightly more believable than Nixon, if only because Nixon won really big in 1972. But I suspect that Trump will get the Nixon treatment without the redeeming “well, at least he did [positive policy here]” because Trump doesn’t even have that going for him.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:07:51pm

It’s about time to put aside Mueller, indictments, impeachment—that’s relying on a deus ex machina. This deep in the cycle, the short path to getting rid of the pond scum is the hard way. We have to mount an unusually unified, unusually effortful, unusually expensive 2020 campaign.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:10:25pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

It’s about time to put aside Mueller, indictments, impeachment—that’s relying on a deus ex machina. This deep in the cycle, the short path to getting rid of the pond scum is the hard way. We have to mount an unusually unified, unusually effortful, unusually expensive 2020 campaign.

It is the straightest line. But Congress still has to do it’s job. We’re still 10 months from the first primary ballots being cast, we are still 18 months from ballots being cast in the general election.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:10:56pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

It’s about time to put aside Mueller, indictments, impeachment—that’s relying on a deus ex machina. This deep in the cycle, the short path to getting rid of the pond scum is the hard way. We have to mount an unusually unified, unusually effortful, unusually expensive 2020 campaign.

And hope Russia doesn’t fuck us all again.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:12:21pm

re: #165 Eclectic Cyborg

And hope Russia doesn’t fuck us all again.

And hope that people are less suceptible to the propaganda. It would also help if the NSA does in 2020 what they did in 2018 on an even bigger scale.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:13:12pm

re: #164 KGxvi

It is the straightest line. But Congress still has to do it’s job. We’re still 10 months from the first primary ballots being cast, we are still 18 months from ballots being cast in the general election.

Asking Congress to do its job is sending cheese by rat.

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:14:05pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

We have to mount an unusually unified, unusually effortful, unusually expensive 2020 campaign.

Unicorn Hunting BernieBros are already trying to sabotage that.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:17:10pm

re: #168 Jack Burton

Unicorn Hunting BernieBros are already trying to sabotage that.

Everyone who has a list of red lines and non-negotiables is trying to sabotage that.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:18:02pm

re: #95 ObserverArt

Amazing to see how assholes will say anything to get that sweet sweet Wingnut Welfare Money!

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:18:39pm

Deus Ex Machina would be President Happy Meal dropping dead from a heart attack from the buckets of cholesterol and trans-fats he eats in his 70s like he’s still a 5 year old.

Or a resignation.

Impeachment is not.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:20:30pm

re: #171 Jack Burton

Deus Ex Machina would be President Happy Meal dropping dead from a heart attack from the buckets of cholesterol and trans-fats he eats in his 70s like he’s still a 5 year old.

Or a resignation.

Impeachment is not.

It is right now with a Republican controlled Senate. The point being that if you’re hoping the Senate will remove him, you’re wasting your time.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:21:34pm

re: #171 Jack Burton

Deus Ex Machina would be President Happy Meal dropping dead from a heart attack from the buckets of cholesterol and trans-fats he eats in his 70s like he’s still a 5 year old.

Or a resignation.

Impeachment is not.

It is this late in the term, from a standing start. In the best case we might dump him after the second inaugural ball.

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:23:45pm

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:25:44pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

What caused them to turn?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:26:16pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

Not applicable — as has been said before, Democratic Senate as well as House AND there was no Faux News.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:26:52pm

re: #172 Belafon

It is right now with a Republican controlled Senate. The point being that if you’re hoping the Senate will remove him, you’re wasting your time.

The question is whether there are 20 Republicans in the Senate that want to try and be president in 2020?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:27:01pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

That was before the Dawn of the New Media Reality.

If there had been Fox News back then, Nixon would have served out his term.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:30:08pm

re: #177 KGxvi

The question is whether there are 20 Republicans in the Senate that want to try and be president in 2020?

And the answer to that is no.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:31:46pm

re: #175 Belafon

What caused them to turn?

The Smoking Gun Tape was played in public on August 1st. 6 days later, Senators Scott, Goldwater and House Leader Rhodes went to visit Nixon and Goldwater told Nixon point blank he would vote Guilty.

The next day, Nixon went on TV and said he would resign.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:33:09pm

re: #180 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Smoking Gun Tape was played in public on August 1st. 6 days later, Senators Scott, Goldwater and House Leader Rhodes went to visit Nixon and Goldwater told Nixon point blank he would vote Guilty.

The next day, Nixon went on TV and said he would resign.

They could play a tape of Trump shooting a pregnant woman on 5th Avenue and they would all come to his defense…

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:34:02pm

re: #180 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Smoking Gun Tape was played in public on August 1st. 6 days later, Senators Scott, Goldwater and House Leader Rhodes went to visit Nixon and Goldwater told Nixon point blank he would vote Guilty.

The next day, Nixon went on TV and said he would resign.

Today’s Republican lawmakers and President are made of sterner shittier stuff.

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MsJ  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:36:06pm

Does anytime know William Lewis’s (I think that’s his name… Getting old sucks) LGF name so I could tag him on this?

apple.news

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:38:26pm

re: #183 MsJ

wlewisiii

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Jack Burton  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:38:48pm

It does not even matter if the attempt is successful.

A. It’s their fucking job. Democrats not pursuing this will be viewed as weak, giving tacit OK to his crimes, and making all of this we know to ‘not be normal’ normalized.

B. It will go to the Senate for trial, and everything will have to come out in the open. It’s at worst an opportunity to gather mountains of material for 2020 campaigns and beyond.

C. It will keep all of those bastards sweating and too busy to do too much more damage before Nov. 2020.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:43:56pm

re: #185 Jack Burton

It does not even matter if the attempt is successful.

A. It’s their fucking job. Democrats not pursuing this will be viewed as weak, giving tacit OK to his crimes, and making all of this we know to ‘not be normal’ normalized.

B. It will go to the Senate for trial, and everything will have to come out in the open. It’s at worst an opportunity to gather mountains of material for 2020 campaigns and beyond.

C. It will keep all of those bastards sweating and too busy to do too much more damage before Nov. 2020.

It should be pursued, it can’t be relied on.

Animal House ‘Futile and Stupid Gesture’

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:44:38pm

*sigh*

the more you rehearse the idea that the left won’t come together, the more likely it won’t.

Because you are feeding your own inner Skinner Box rat to shape that behavior.
In this context, the rollercoaster of emotion minute-by-minute as people do the Internet dozens results in everybody losing because it’s going to result in brain-eating stress and people falling back on honed, reflexive behavior.

Which is exactly what every single energy-sucking narcissist on Twitter who’s committed to “their way, or burn everything” has already done to themselves to get to their worldview.

This fight is literally against people so deep in nihilist hunger that their idea of a “win” is more chaos and confusion. They don’t need to hit specific objectives in politics to succeed, they just need the status quo to keep rotting. There’s no pyramid of conspirators with a single head, not even a Lernean Hydra with a common stomach. What we are fighting is an ecosystem’s worth of parasites—spiritual, economic, cultural—that all prosper while the host sickens, compete for prime viscera, and hope to fully colonize new hosts before the current one heaves over and most of its microfauna gets lysed.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:45:04pm

re: #185 Jack Burton

It also means four of the top six Democratic candidates will be in the Capitol for the entirety of the trial. Which creates an interesting dynamic for the primary.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:45:26pm

re: #163 Decatur Deb

It’s about time to put aside Mueller, indictments, impeachment—that’s relying on a deus ex machina. This deep in the cycle, the short path to getting rid of the pond scum is the hard way. We have to mount an unusually unified, unusually effortful, unusually expensive 2020 campaign.

maybe

at some point someone must speak for the Constitution

because the R’s and the media are not

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mmmirele  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:48:51pm

re: #139 Decatur Deb

It’s simple bullshit. Zero Democrats are comfortable with killing a baby after it’s born.

This is what it’s coming from. Some babies are born so sick or so damaged by birth defects they are not going to live long. What doctors do is provide end of life palliative care.

That looks like killing to Sanders, McCain and the rest of them. Because we should be throwing every medical procedure at a mortally ill newborn. These people exist under the delusion that there’s NEVER a reason for an abortion to save the mother’s life, that pregnancy is basically a walk in the park. And newborns can’t die after birth.

That is what we’re contending with here.

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:49:12pm

re: #183 MsJ

Does anytime know William Lewis’s (I think that’s his name… Getting old sucks) LGF name so I could tag him on this?

apple.news

Got it. Will follow up as soon as I get home from work tonight.

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:51:17pm

Another argument for a robust immigration system:

Researchers call it the “demographic transition.” Americans over 65 are now the fastest-growing age group in the country. The U.S. Census projects that by 2035, the population past retirement age will outnumber the population under 18 for the first time in history. While younger, more diverse generations have captured the media narrative about U.S. politics, its defining feature in the future may be its oldest participants.

[snip]

America’s current demographic makeup, Frey said, is unprecedented. Due to rising longevity, falling birth rates and the sheer number of baby boomers (currently between 55 and 73 years old), today’s older Americans have held onto power longer than any previous generation. In 1950, as the boom began, just 8 percent of Americans were over 65; the United States had more people under 25 than over 45. By 2010, when the boomers began to retire, those numbers had flipped and the share of the population over retirement age had increased by 50 percent.

Their power goes beyond raw numbers. Older Americans are more likely to vote than millennials and Gen Xers, particularly in midterm and primary elections. They are three times more likely to donate to political campaigns. Plus, they are clustered in rural and sparsely populated states, giving them disproportionately large Senate and Electoral College representation. This partly explains why the average member of Congress is now 58.6 years old, roughly a decade older than they were in 1981 and two decades older than the population at large.

Without immigration, we could eventually end up in a situation like Japan had, with a “lost decade.”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:54:34pm

re: #190 mmmirele

This is what it’s coming from. Some babies are born so sick or so damaged by birth defects they are not going to live long. What doctors do is provide end of life palliative care.

That looks like killing to Sanders, McCain and the rest of them. Because we should be throwing every medical procedure at a mortally ill newborn. These people exist under the delusion that there’s NEVER a reason for an abortion to save the mother’s life, that pregnancy is basically a walk in the park. And newborns can’t die after birth.

That is what we’re contending with here.

This has nothing to do with critically ill babies. We are contending with Gosnell here. Every Republican on this planet is familiar with Gosnell and has been for years. They treat every doctor who performs an abortion as being another Gosnell; that is the most important storyline they regurgitate on a regular basis. Even my RW brother who cares little about the social issues brings up Gosnell on a regular basis whenever choice is discussed.

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mmmirele  Mar 11, 2019 • 2:59:30pm

re: #192 KGxvi

Another argument for a robust immigration system:

Without immigration, we could eventually end up in a situation like Japan had, with a “lost decade.”

Japan is just now opening up immigration to some skilled and semi-skilled people. And they know they’re sitting on a demographic time bomb.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:00:37pm

re: #141 BeachDem

Her actual quote (bolding mine)
I’m not for impeachment. This is news. I’m going to give you some news right now because I haven’t said this to any press person before. But since you asked, and I’ve been thinking about this: Impeachment is so divisive to the country that unless there’s something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, I don’t think we should go down that path, because it divides the country. And he’s just not worth it.

I am amazed how so many can say Nancy Pelosi knows her stuff and is in control of things, etc., were glad she was voted as Speaker of the House, got her committees in order, made Trump’s government shutdown look a stupid stunt and all that, yet a hinky story comes out of WaPo saying “he’s just not worth it” and everyone complains.

Is she good or not?

I’m going with she is good and she knows what she is doing. She can read the tea leaves and she can read the senate.

She simply doesn’t have enough to get the senate against Trump. And everyone should know damn well that Mitch will block any attempt to impeach Trump in the senate. He will only allow it if it is impossible for him to stop it to save his party.

If the Democrats come up with impeachment proceedings and it goes to the senate and goes nowhere what will that look like to the voting public?

I think it will be seen as the Democrats are playing political games when they should be fixing things.

That is already the main way it is framed by our media. That is how the Republicans will frame it, and a good portion of America will go with it because the media will remind them.

Look at what we bitch about now with the media. We were all upset with how they are running articles basically saying the Democrats are protecting an antisemite. I can see the fun they will have with impeaching Trump with no real evidence. Why no evidence? Because no one has made anything stick.

Yet.

I think Pelosi is being cagey. She is being Pelosi. She knows if she gets the goods she can backdoor Trump and the Republicans and go to America with the justifications.

Keep in mind Trump runs around saying “No Collusion…no obstruction all the time. You know what he is going to say now?

Trump probably: “Nancy Pelosi says there will be no impeachment. Thank you Nancy!”

And he will get comfortable. And a comfortable Trump is a sloppy Trump. He’ll call off his dogs and the Democrats can work in the background better.

And don’t forget…there is an election to win. If the Mueller report isn’t a barn-burning, clear-as-all-get-out indictment, an impeachment will be seen as an election stunt.

Yes, I’d love to see Trump impeached too. But I am trying to be realistic. Come on folks, let’s trust Pelosi. She is better at all this than I am. Is she better at it than you?

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:02:08pm

re: #148 Mike Lamb

Scratch out the “bipartisan” part, and I’d agree. There’s nothing that would get true bipartisan support.

And if there is no bipartisan support…there is no impeachment. It is that simple.

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:06:20pm

A cat sees a puma on the TV and zip!

digg.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:06:45pm

re: #192 KGxvi

Another argument for a robust immigration system:
….
Due to rising longevity, falling birth rates and the sheer number of baby boomers (currently between 55 and 73 years old), today’s older Americans have held onto power longer than any previous generation.
….
Without immigration, we could eventually end up in a situation like Japan had, with a “lost decade.”

Longevity in the US actually dropped slightly the last couple years — don’t assume that it will necessarily resume its upward course. Stress and unhealthy life style can take its toll.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:08:52pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

Not everyone. Some of us lived it and know how it worked. And there was a Democratic senate. The 18 minutes of missing tape changed everything.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:10:57pm

re: #177 KGxvi

The question is whether there are 20 Republicans in the Senate that want to try and be president in 2020?

There is not now and there won’t be because they are all scared of Trump’s base.

Look at my senator, Rob Portman. He is considered a moderate, blah, blah. He has already endorsed Trump for 2020. What does that tell you? He is a scared wimp.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:11:59pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

However, we’re over 4 decades past when those type of Republicans were in office. The current gang is dominated by reactionary theocrats and they will have a much harder time turning on Trump than the Republicans of the early 1970’s did to Nixon.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:13:52pm

re: #201 freetoken

And we never did put a President out of office by impeachment. Nixon jumped—Trump won’t.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:18:42pm

re: #196 ObserverArt

And if there is no bipartisan support…there is no impeachment. It is that simple.

Sure. I think Pelosi is angling for something that would ensure a conviction by the Senate (there is unlikely to be anything that would get sufficient GOP support) OR evidence that would make the GOP look terrible for failing to get on board (more likely). She is trying to ensure that the GOP pays a political price for ignoring what’s in front of their face.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:18:48pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:22:11pm

re: #203 Mike Lamb

Sure. I think Pelosi is angling for something that would ensure a conviction by the Senate (there is unlikely to be anything that would get sufficient GOP support) OR evidence that would make the GOP look terrible for failing to get on board (more likely). She is trying to ensure that the GOP pays a political price for ignoring what’s in front of their face.

Unfortunately the only people who can truly make sure the GOP pays that price are the voters…and the GOP is doing to do everything they can to stop that.

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BeachDem  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:22:37pm

re: #200 ObserverArt

There is not now and there won’t be because they are all scared of Trump’s base.

Look at my senator, Rob Portman. He is considered a moderate, blah, blah. He has already endorsed Trump for 2020. What does that tell you? He is a scared wimp.

Speaking of Ohio scared wimps, how nervous do you think Les Wexner is about more Epstein stuff coming out? Les, the only client Epstein made public; access to “models,” put Epstein on various boards; per Forbes, “Leslie Wexner, billionaire founder of The Limited clothing chain, was widely believed to be his benefactor for years and the major source of his wealth.”

I’m guessing ole Les is sweating bullets.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:25:09pm

escort services, hotels and massage parlours

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:25:45pm

Human trafficking kingpin.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:26:22pm

re: #207 jaunte

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escort services, hotels and massage parlours

The Republican Party has truly become the Santa Claus Party because they sure love to Ho…Ho…Ho…

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:26:47pm

re: #206 BeachDem

Speaking of Ohio scared wimps, how nervous do you think Les Wexner is about more Epstein stuff coming out? Les, the only client Epstein made public; access to “models,” put Epstein on various boards; per Forbes, “Leslie Wexner, billionaire founder of The Limited clothing chain, was widely believed to be his benefactor for years and the major source of his wealth.”

I’m guessing ole Les is sweating bullets.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:26:54pm

Happy End Times.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:29:08pm
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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:31:04pm

re: #207 jaunte

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escort services, hotels and massage parlours

Oh my

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:31:49pm

re: #208 jaunte

Human trafficking kingpin.

Keeps the blue tape producers in business.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:32:34pm

re: #211 jaunte

Happy End Times.

The lord is coming

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:33:24pm

Hakeem Jeffries was just on Ari Melber’s The Beat and pretty much said what some of have been thinking when answering Ari’s questions about the WaPo impeachment story.

He said if everyone noticed, the Democrats didn’t run on anything saying they were going to impeach Trump. They basically stayed away from it for political reasons.

They ran on fixing healthcare, economy, jobs, environment and fixing corruption in Washington.

He said that is what they are doing. I think the mention of corruption is a hint at all the investigations they have going on.

And then he basically said if there are clear impeachable offenses revealed, they will look at impeachment.

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:34:47pm

re: #215 Eventual Carrion

“Trump” has never been a great name for a sexytimes brand.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:34:51pm

re: #207 jaunte

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Because fuck that damned Emoluments Clause!

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jaunte  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:36:43pm

Close your eyes, and think of Trump.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:40:54pm

re: #219 jaunte

Closing my eyes and thinking of Trump behind bars. Nice.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:47:40pm

re: #207 jaunte

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escort services, hotels and massage parlours

They will use the Chinese characters for “little mushroom head.”

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Old Liberal  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:49:13pm

re: #131 Jack Burton

I don’t agree with Pelosi on this because he’s done serious damage already. He’s an agent of a foreign adversary, a business criminal, and starting to lose what little brains he had to begin with. We’ve been mostly “OK” because we are cruising along on the inertia that a strong system has, but it wont last forever and is beginning to putter out. Shit will get really bad, really fast when it does and much of it will be irreparable.

We don’t have Mattis and Kelly stopping him from starting World War III anymore either. This is the emergency. He needs to be gone yesterday.

Until there is a Senate that will convict trump ain’t going nowhere. And if the House impeaches and the Senate “trial” finds him “not guilty” how does that play to the millions of barely sentient Americans?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:49:53pm
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BeachDem  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:50:52pm

re: #210 ObserverArt

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:54:11pm

re: #224 BeachDem

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:55:47pm

re: #203 Mike Lamb

Sure. I think Pelosi is angling for something that would ensure a conviction by the Senate (there is unlikely to be anything that would get sufficient GOP support) OR evidence that would make the GOP look terrible for failing to get on board (more likely). She is trying to ensure that the GOP pays a political price for ignoring what’s in front of their face.

A reminder of another difference between potential Trump impeachment and the Nixon hearings: the VP that would replace Nixon was not Agnew but Ford, a person of solid reputation that all sides could accept. If Trump departs, the replacement is Pence, a man who would continue all the damaging domestic policies proposed by the Trump administration and a man who is a true ideologue and theocrat. Yes, he probably wouldn’t violate the emoluments clause but we really don’t know how close he is to Putin, given that he was Manafort’s selection for VP.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:59:10pm

This is kind of fun. Dogs band together and form a union. They must be liberals.

ESPN - Peeved pets: Iditarod lead lost as dogs quit

ANCHORAGE, Alaska — Musher Nicolas Petit lost a huge lead in the Iditarod Trail Sled Dog Race on Monday when his dog team refused to keep going after he yelled at one of the animals.

A dog named Joey had been fighting with another dog on the team and jumped it during a break on the way to the Bering Sea checkpoint of Koyuk.

“I yelled at Joey, and everybody heard the yelling, and that doesn’t happen,” Petit told the Iditarod Insider website. “And then they wouldn’t go anymore. Anywhere. So we camped here.”

Several mushers passed Petit’s team on the trail, erasing his five-hour lead in the race. Pete Kaiser of Alaska was the first musher into Koyuk, followed about an hour later by defending champion Joar Ulsom of Norway.

The checkpoint is 827 miles (1,330 kilometers) into the 1,000-mile (1,600-kilometer) race across Alaska.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, a frequent critic of the race, didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment Monday.

Petit said his dogs are well-fed and there’s no medical issue keeping them from getting up and running.

“It’s just a head thing,” he said. “We’ll see if one of these dog teams coming by will wake them up at all.”

…more at link…

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BeachDem  Mar 11, 2019 • 3:59:24pm

re: #225 ObserverArt

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:03:54pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:07:29pm

re: #229 Patricia Kayden

Are we tired of winning yet?

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jeffreyw  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:12:32pm

re: #219 jaunte

Close your eyes, and think of Trump.

He’s better than contraceptive pills!

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:13:02pm

Snowflakes

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:18:37pm

re: #222 Old Liberal

Until there is a Senate that will convict trump ain’t going nowhere. And if the House impeaches and the Senate “trial” finds him “not guilty” how does that play to the millions of barely sentient Americans?

We know exactly how that went. See Clinton.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:23:53pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:35:46pm

re: #233 Belafon

We know exactly how that went. See Clinton.

Of course Clinton was charged only with lying about a consensual relationship with an adult woman. BUT the members of the RW conspiracy had a host of other accusations that they promoted on their various media platforms, including the pre-Murdoch WSJ. They accused the Clintons of criminal activities regarding Whitewater, of involvement in the death of Vince Foster, involvement in the deaths of various people back in Arkansas, involvement in the death of Ron Brown his Secretary of Commerce, etc. So they would have claimed that slick Willie was a crime mastermind who escaped responsibility for all of his other nefarious activities.

There has to be solid evidence of Trump’s participation in a range of substantial criminal activities and not just paying off a porn star or silencing women who alleged sexual indiscretions.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:36:50pm

Funniest thing to come across my Twitter feed in a while:

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:38:56pm

re: #236 freetoken

Whoops, wrong tweet. That was cute too, but this is the one I want:

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KGxvi  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:41:19pm

re: #236 freetoken

On the one hand, a T-Rex running down the 405 seems like a bad idea. On the other hand, a T-Rex running down Pennsylvania Ave seems like a brilliant idea. And on the other, other hand, I am kind of curious what a dino burger and/or omelet would taste like.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:43:26pm

Violin babe Esther Abrami posted this today… she is the featured violinist:

Radio Head - Street Spirit (Fade Out) Live Cover

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:46:15pm

re: #238 KGxvi

On the one hand, a T-Rex running down the 405 seems like a bad idea. On the other hand, a T-Rex running down Pennsylvania Ave seems like a brilliant idea. And on the other, other hand, I am kind of curious what a dino burger and/or omelet would taste like.

Chicken.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:51:03pm

re: #237 freetoken

Whoops, wrong tweet. That was cute too, but this is the one I want:

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That is AWESOME. That would get my +10 for the month.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:51:27pm

re: #240 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Chicken.

…because they’re related. But you have to be able to get them into the same kitchen.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 11, 2019 • 4:55:12pm

If they’re not white, it’s not right.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:00:58pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:06:57pm

re: #199 ObserverArt

Not everyone. Some of us lived it and know how it worked. And there was a Democratic senate. The 18 minutes of missing tape changed everything.

There was also no Fox News.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:13:25pm

re: #242 wrenchwench

…because they’re related. But you have to be able to get them into the same kitchen.

Alton Brown on Good Eats used a dinosaur model to show you how to dismember a chicken.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:21:20pm

About that 2020 budget.

Right or wrong, the GOP has decided to lick the third rail of US politics…and while they’re not bright, they are deliberate.

Either they estimate that they can win anyway, or this is some kind of all-in cash grab before scarpering and leaving Dems to clean up the mess.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:22:07pm

re: #246 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I prefer the Yan Can Cook version. Martin Yan likes to de-bone a chicken in a few minutes if not less.

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CarolJ  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:22:12pm

re: #243 DodgerFan1988

Which is why certain conservatives are mad at the EU, and to a lesser degree, Australia/NZ. Things are far too well for white immigration in general. It takes a lot for mass people to leave a nation, and the white immigrants aren’t leaving. And ones who are still struggling like Russia, can just go to the EU and from there, settle in France, Germany and wherever and just drive back and forth. Even the Irish are doing much better these days. And our lack of health care, and nasty border issues, are mostly keeping Canadians back in Canada.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:27:25pm
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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:28:55pm

re: #247 The Ghost of Quesos Past

About that 2020 budget.

Right or wrong, the GOP has decided to lick the third rail of US politics…and while they’re not bright, they are deliberate.

Either they estimate that they can win anyway, or this is some kind of all-in cash grab before scarpering and leaving Dems to clean up the mess.

They know the Democratic House won’t pass it, but they will attempt to argue that they’re being fiscally responsible while believing that their base won’t care what they said they wanted to pass.

One thing to remember is that the middle class went for Republicans more than the lower class did.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:31:32pm

re: #247 The Ghost of Quesos Past

About that 2020 budget.

Right or wrong, the GOP has decided to lick the third rail of US politics…and while they’re not bright, they are deliberate.

Either they estimate that they can win anyway, or this is some kind of all-in cash grab before scarpering and leaving Dems to clean up the mess.

This is not really new — Bush tried to privatize Social Security in 2005 — and the effort failed. Democrats won in 2018 on health care — they can do the same in 2020 on protecting Social Security and Medicare and paint the GOP as the villains here.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:33:32pm

re: #252 Hecuba’s daughter

paint the GOP as the villains here.

Single coat of varnish will do. Lightly sanded.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:34:11pm

The know-nothing-ism that propels Trump’s success:

Iowa Poll: Iowa’s registered Republicans are not worried about climate change threats

Thirty-five percent of Iowa’s registered Republicans believe climate change poses no real threat to the planet, the newest Des Moines Register/CNN/Mediacom Iowa Poll shows.

Forty-four percent of Iowa Republicans say they believe climate change is a minor threat, and 14 percent say it’s a major threat. Six percent aren’t sure.

[…]

“I just don’t buy the science,” said poll participant Lynette Stubbs, a retiree who lives in Moville, a town of about 1,620 near Sioux City.

[…]

“That may be happening, but it’s not because of anything we’re doing either positively or negatively,” said poll respondent Orlan Huizenga of Orange City.

“The good Lord above would not make a world that couldn’t sustain itself,” he said.

[…]

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:38:37pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

Single coat of varnish will do. Lightly sanded.

To hell with lightly sanded. Belt sander with 40 grit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:39:08pm

re: #254 freetoken

Sigh…

The planet CAN sustain itself, but not when humans keep fucking with it.

It’s like it never occurs to them that God just might want us to be good stewards of the earth.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:41:30pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:41:58pm

re: #255 Eventual Carrion

To hell with lightly sanded. Belt sander with 40 grit.

OK, dust it, then varnish after.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:46:09pm

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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:46:46pm

I just read that the Blue Ridge Mountains were part of the same range that now forms the Scottish highlands.

No wonder the Scots feel at home there, and there are Highland Games.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:47:43pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:50:18pm

re: #254 freetoken

The know-nothing-ism that propels Trump’s success:

Iowa Poll: Iowa’s registered Republicans are not worried about climate change threats

“That may be happening, but it’s not because of anything we’re doing either positively or negatively,” said poll respondent Orlan Huizenga of Orange City.

“The good Lord above would not make a world that couldn’t sustain itself,” he said.

Orlan, you are obviously a Christian. Now what was that great flood Bible story about again?

Wait, you are an ignorant Christian. Use your head dumbass.

Point #2 straight from Christian teachings: God can do anything, even choke off a bunch of ignorant Christians with a fouled air.

And what was God doing with the flood? He was eliminating sinners.

Who would the sinners be today? They would be Christians like you that ignore science and protecting His creation.

Big problem though, a lot of innocent people pay for it too.

Pay attention to your Bible studies Orlan, you’re failing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 11, 2019 • 5:51:59pm

re: #9 lawhawk

Nunes isn’t going to pick it up. He’s going to hope his landscaper does it (and what are odds that he’s hiring undocumented workers too).

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Charles Johnson  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:00:07pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:05:35pm

re: #74 KGxvi

and “our friends” the Saudis.

And Mar-a-Lago club members.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:06:31pm

askeert deflection is obvious when a moron feels the need to retweet something from 2017:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:06:33pm

re: #264 Charles Johnson

HAIL HYDRA!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:08:01pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

askeert deflection is obvious when a moron feels the need to retweet semething from 2017:

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A bunch of kids get shot up in a school and no one bats an eye.

THREE people get killed by individuals with questionable immigration status and it’s national fucking news.

So infuriating.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:08:49pm

Here, let me help:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:10:11pm

re: #269 wrenchwench

Here, let me help:

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one can but try…

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:10:20pm

re: #266 Backwoods_Sleuth

For every one of those homicides, I have a mass shooting with dozens of victims each.

For Kate Steinle, I give you the Las Vegas shooter
For Sarah Root, I give you Sandy Hook shooter.
For Grant, I give you the Charleston shooter.

And then there are the other garden variety homicides with Americans murdering their fellow Americans and the GOP and right wing nutters think that it normal and acceptable.

Fuck them all. The GOP oozes blood from their failure to act on actual threats, rather than these perceived ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:14:23pm

re: #269 wrenchwench

Here, let me help:

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I am just so impressed with the action in the face of the mother of all fire obstacles.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:15:43pm

re: #262 ObserverArt

Orlan, you are obviously a Christian. Now what was that great flood Bible story about again?

Wait, you are an ignorant Christian. Use your head dumbass.

Point #2 straight from Christian teachings: God can do anything, even choke off a bunch of ignorant Christians with a fouled air.

And what was God doing with the flood? He was eliminating sinners.

Who would the sinners be today? They would be Christians like you that ignore science and protecting His creation.

Big problem though, a lot of innocent people pay for it too.

Pay attention to your Bible studies Orlan, you’re failing.

The flood story is a bad one to pull up actually because the point of rainbows is to remind us that God will never do something like that again. On the other hand, there are plenty of stories to pick from where man became so wicked that God allowed the Israelites to be conquered.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:16:32pm

re: #272 Backwoods_Sleuth

I am just so impressed with the action in the face of the mother of all fire obstacles.

Trying to save one’s own unit. Look how wet that wall is.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:16:40pm

Gee, I knew Boeing’s reputation had taken a hit, but I didn’t think it was this bad.

(This is not one of the MAX 8 aircraft that have been grounded)

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lawhawk  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:18:42pm

re: #273 Belafon

He’ll never do something like that… he’ll do something totally different and awful instead.

Maybe a drought this time. Famine. Decaying protection from the atmosphere from solar radiation means the planet is bombarded with cosmic rays and becomes uninhabitable.

You know… all those doomsday scenarios where the sci-fi dystopias actually understate how bad it gets.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:22:35pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

The Republicans today have no soul left.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:22:39pm

re: #273 Belafon

The flood story is a bad one to pull up actually because the point of rainbows is to remind us that God will never do something like that again. On the other hand, there are plenty of stories to pick from where man became so wicked that God allowed the Israelites to be conquered.

“Fire Next Time” Rev. Milton Brunson and the Thompson Community Singers

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:23:04pm

re: #273 Belafon

The flood story is a bad one to pull up actually because the point of rainbows is to remind us that God will never do something like that again. On the other hand, there are plenty of stories to pick from where man became so wicked that God allowed the Israelites to be conquered.

I bring the story up because of the meaning that when God wanted to he used nature as his method of eliminating humans.

I’m not really religious, so I really don’t care about rainbows.

Also the flood story, like many in the Bible, has parallels in all kinds of mythical tales.

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Mattand  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:23:09pm

re: #254 freetoken

The know-nothing-ism that propels Trump’s success:

Iowa Poll: Iowa’s registered Republicans are not worried about climate change threats

“That may be happening, but it’s not because of anything we’re doing either positively or negatively,” said poll respondent Orlan Huizenga of Orange City.

“The good Lord above would not make a world that couldn’t sustain itself,” he said.

Yet one more reason why I became an atheist.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:23:58pm

re: #275 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Gee, I knew Boeing’s reputation had taken a hit, but I didn’t think it was this bad.

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(This is not one of the MAX 8 aircraft that have been grounded)

When I lived in Everett, WA, the economy would take a hit every three years when the engineers contract was up. they’d strike, negotiate, settle, and that Christmas, there’d be a bigger than ever bonus. Economy recovered.

This one is not going to have a bonus.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:24:20pm

re: #259 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

He’s still never opened a Bible.

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wrenchwench  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:25:57pm

re: #279 ObserverArt

I bring the story up because of the meaning that when God wanted to he used nature as his method of eliminating humans.

I’m not really religious, so I really don’t care about rainbows.

Also the flood story, like many in the Bible, has parallels in all kinds of mythical tales.

The rainbow no longer belongs to any religion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:29:05pm

re: #274 wrenchwench

Trying to save one’s own unit. Look how wet that wall is.

yes…I saw that and pointed that out to Mr BWS (he happens to be home tonight because he got picked for jury duty today and has to go back tomorrow).

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:41:47pm

re: #282 GlutenFreeJesus

He’s still never opened a Bible.

Maybe the kind with the pictures inside.

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gocart mozart  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:44:34pm
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retired cynic  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:45:27pm

re: #286 gocart mozart

Perfect!!!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:45:29pm

re: #285 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Maybe the kind with the pictures inside.

Here it is. Dumbed down to the point even Trump can follow it!

thebricktestament.com

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:48:32pm

re: #288 Joe Bacon 🌹

Here it is. Dumbed down to the point even Trump can follow it!

thebricktestament.com

The Legos Bible.

What the hell? It’s worse than I thought.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:49:14pm
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:51:27pm

The National Committee of Asian American Republicans has kicked Cindy Yang off its staff.

scmp.com

She apparently has a younger and hotter business partner in New York, Jing Li, who is pals with Ivanka.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:52:16pm

re: #286 gocart mozart

Everyone with twitter here needs to like this tweet.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:54:45pm

re: #291 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The pic of Ivanka is obviously pre-plastic.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 6:55:44pm

re: #293 Ace Rothstein

The pic of Ivanka is obviously pre-plastic.

Before the kidney surgery, you mean?

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:01:31pm

re: #294 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Correct.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:12:14pm

State Department warns US citizens traveling to India could fall victim to terrorism or sexual assault

The State Department urges “increased caution” for travelers heading to the country, and especially for women.

No doubt:

Four businessmen molest woman, pass lewd comments at pub in Juhu

Relatives gang-rape woman in Hyderabad

Woman sets herself on fire days after ‘sexual assault’; her condition is stable, say police

64-year-old looking for a job raped by three men; she knew one of them

…. and so on.

Now we have many cases of rape annually here in the US.

But, what seems to occur in India is a particularly brazen, even public, occurrences.

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ObserverArt  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:12:19pm

re: #290 GlutenFreeJesus

Ok this is pretty fucking spectacular.

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Seeing this reminded me to check something at Google. I’ve mentioned seeing Queen on their second tour in America at The Agora Theater here in Columbus, right across the street from the main gate of Ohio State University.

They opened the tour at The Agora. That happened a lot with Brit bands. The Agora was three Ohio venues. One was in Cleveland and one in Toledo. All within less than 200 miles from each other. They could work their sets out in three great clubs in three nights without a lot of travel. The audiences were always accepting.

Anyway, I found an image from the show I saw. I remember Freddy dressed just like that. I think they opened with Killer Queen.

This brings back memories. And a bit of info from where I found it…Brian May dot com. Pretty cool. Link below.

EDIT: Show was in early 1975. Sheer Heart Attack Tour.

brianmay. com - history entry posted Feb 05, 2013

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Mike Lamb  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:18:19pm

re: #251 Belafon

They know the Democratic House won’t pass it, but they will attempt to argue that they’re being fiscally responsible while believing that their base won’t care what they said they wanted to pass.

One thing to remember is that the middle class went for Republicans more than the lower class did.

That budget might not get 40 votes in the Senate. It’s straight from the Freedumb Caucus.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:19:45pm
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TedStriker  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:23:31pm

re: #299 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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gocart mozart  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:24:22pm
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Teukka  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:28:35pm

re: #301 gocart mozart

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In some internet fora I frequent, I’m seeing RWNJ’s staunchly defend Mr. Carlson…

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:35:12pm

re: #300 TedStriker

TRUMP WANT BIG BOOM!

“Why are Democrats worried about foreigners more than Americans?”

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:39:47pm

re: #289 ObserverArt

The Legos Bible.

What the hell? It’s worse than I thought.

What I like best about that page is the warning labels — parts of it may not be suitable for children!

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:43:28pm
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jeffreyw  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:45:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:55:43pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 11, 2019 • 7:56:19pm

As a live free or die type after moving here a couple of years ago, I figured it was my duty to take my day off to see what those commie/hipster Massholes were up to with their “Adult-Use” marijuana. I managed to smuggle some samples back across state lines for inspection.

They might be on to something.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:05:26pm

re: #308 Barefoot Grin

As a live free or die type after moving here a couple of years ago, I figured it was my duty to take my day off to see what those commie/hipster Massholes were up to with their “Adult-Use” marijuana. I managed to smuggle some samples back across state lines for inspection.

They might be on to something.

Marijuana Delivery is the bee’s knees.

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Belafon  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:09:37pm

re: #285 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Maybe the kind with the pictures inside.

Here’s the version Ivanka can read to Donnie when she tucks him into bed: God is Disappointed in You.

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:13:34pm

re: #308 Barefoot Grin

As a live free or die type after moving here a couple of years ago, I figured it was my duty to take my day off to see what those commie/hipster Massholes were up to with their “Adult-Use” marijuana. I managed to smuggle some samples back across state lines for inspection.

They might be on to something.

re: #309 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Marijuana Delivery is the bee’s knees.

I live in Colorado.

Giphy

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:31:55pm

re: #311 teleskiguy

I need to be able to get my grubbies on some edibles. Alas, Wisconsin is far away from there legally or physically :(

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:36:45pm

I love this woman’s music:

Kathleen Edwards - Six O’Clock News

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:38:06pm

So I got new reading glasses. I intend to get real lenses in them eventually if I can ;)

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:45:04pm

re: #314 William Lewis

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:49:24pm

re: #315 teleskiguy

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teleskiguy  Mar 11, 2019 • 8:58:08pm

My governor.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 9:02:10pm

re: #314 William Lewis

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fixed spelling

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 9:04:40pm
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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 9:50:56pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

When I lived in Everett, WA, the economy would take a hit every three years when the engineers contract was up. they’d strike, negotiate, settle, and that Christmas, there’d be a bigger than ever bonus. Economy recovered.

This one is not going to have a bonus.

It’s early days on this one. El Shabab is very active in the region, the US is bombing the shit out of them, and the UN has been very, very qwiet.

We don’t know what happened, but that plane went almost thirty miles after they were cleared to return to their departure point. The Lion Air incident was pretty much a power dive into the ocean.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:24:09pm

I’d show you my shocked face, but I ain’t got one no more.

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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:36:15pm

re: #319 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Without pot:

“I need a fix, or I’m going to die.”

With pot:

I need fix, a bag of Nacho Cheese Doritos, and liter of Dr. Pepper, or I’m going to die.”

1/2 //

Really, what we need is a comprehensive system of safe, secure drug treatment programs with extensive aftercare to attack this problem, funded by the very drug companies that have created the problem.

This is not rocket science. This is common sense.

Which means that it won’t happen.

{sigh}

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sagehen  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:36:58pm

re: #174 Jack Burton

Everyone seems to forget just how fast Congressional Republicans turned on Richard Nixon in 1974. The 180 happened in a matter of days after months of solid support.

WHEN THE TAPES WERE RELEASED. Not before.

Without that smoking gun, they wouldn’t have turned. Today’s Senate R’s will turn on Trump if/when Mueller releases sufficiently compelling evidence.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 11, 2019 • 10:47:00pm
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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:09:16pm

re: #323 sagehen

WHEN THE TAPES WERE RELEASED. Not before.

Without that smoking gun, they wouldn’t have turned. Today’s Senate R’s will turn on Trump if/when Mueller releases sufficiently compelling evidence.

Here’s my take.

The tapes were devastating because they showed that Nixon and his crew got together after Watergate, and conspired to cover up their involvement. It was dead simple.

Trump, and his companies, on the other hand, have been a criminal organization for *years* before he got the the WH.

For example:

newsweek.com

Okay, so why is a Russian Potash oligarch paying a 150% premium to Trump in 2008?

Well let’s see. The actual number was closer to $95 million, but still. Trump has $54 million in his pocket. Let’s say he keeps $18 million (1/3) and kicks back the other $36 million. Now Mr. Russian Potash Oligarch has got $36 million of clean liquid money to play with, based on an actual value 0f $40 million in *real* fixed costs for the property, which he can later turn into more liquid assets by selling it.

Clean money!

This shit is not going to show up on tape in the WH. This is inside the Trump Org. This is why Trump’s CFO is the key guy. If Mueller has turned him, Trump and his kids are dead meat.

It’s a potential RICO prosecution. It’s a Federal Case.

Are crimes like this, committed before a money launderer is elected President, an impeachable offense by law? I have no idea.

But *should* any American, found guilty of these offenses, whether before or after being elected be removed from office for having committed “high crimes and misdemeanors”?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Thieves and con men are thieves and con men. They have no place in the White House, just the Big House

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:14:08pm

re: #325 austin_blue

What should happen is that the Republican party itself should be investigated as a RICO.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:27:35pm

The more we learn about Brexit, the more crooked it looksElements of the 2016 British referendum campaign have long seemed familiar to Americans. There was a close, controversial election, full of rancor and anger. There were a lot of wealthy men talking about “the people” and their “will.” There were targeted advertising campaigns, stolen data and fake social media accounts. But now, with only a few days left until Britain is due to face the consequences of that vote, the Brexit story suddenly looks even more familiar: One of its protagonists turns out to have much deeper Russian business connections than previously suspected. He also tried to conceal them.

The protagonist in question is Arron Banks, the most important funder of both the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party (UKIP) and leave.eu, one of several organizations that campaigned to get Britain out of the European Union. By the relatively low-spending standards of British politics, Banks was a huge donor, giving $11 million of his own money to the Brexit cause and raising an additional $5 million on top. And here’s the peculiarly British part of the story: Thanks to Banks’s extensive use of tax havens and shell companies, it has never been entirely clear where all of that money came from — or even whether all of it was really his.

This is probably less than a shock to Lizard Nation. Remember, though, the Russkies could not undermine us by buying off traitors and crooks unless there were a lot of traitors and crooks to start with.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:28:07pm

re: #323 sagehen

WHEN THE TAPES WERE RELEASED. Not before.

Without that smoking gun, they wouldn’t have turned. Today’s Senate R’s will turn on Trump if/when Mueller releases sufficiently compelling evidence.

Right. At the moment, the Republicans can deny all the allegations, because so far only the media (and Michael Cohen) have connected Trump to all the shenanigans regarding the election and the Russians. They can spin it as a media witch hunt, even though the GOP knows better. They know Trump is dirty, because a lot of them have been swimming in the same pool. But, as soon as Mueller makes his report, plausible deniability goes right out the door. Then it won’t be the media, but an arm of the government. Claiming Mueller is part of a Deep State plot may work as chum to throw their Trumpista constituents, but once that report comes out, those claims are not going to work. It doesn’t pay to piss off the FBI.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:28:57pm

The right-wing, in the US and Europe both, would have sold out to ANYONE who came along with a good enough offer. It is in their nature.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:28:59pm
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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:29:33pm

re: #326 William Lewis

What should happen is that the Republican party itself should be investigated as a RICO.

Too much plausible deniability, unless their servers were also hacked, and had more actual dirt than risotto cooking techniques.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:30:06pm

re: #327 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If I had to guess, I’d say Banks was getting money from well placed Russian financiers.

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William Lewis  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:35:00pm

re: #331 austin_blue

Too much plausible deniability, unless their servers were also hacked, and had more actual dirt than risotto cooking techniques.

Oh, I know. It is just my wishful thinking.

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freetoken  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:35:57pm

Sigh, “science” reporting is often just bad, and this story in Newsweek is riddled with problems:

ENORMOUS SOLAR STORM THAT HIT EARTH 2,600 YEARS AGO COULD BE BIGGEST EVER DETECTED

Scientists have discovered evidence of one of the biggest solar storms ever recorded, when high-energy particles unleashed from the sun bombarded Earth just over 2,600 years ago. Should a similar event hit us today, it could have a devastating impact, potentially knocking out global communication systems, satellites, electrical grids and air traffic systems.

[…]

In 1859, a powerful geomagnetic storm—now known as the Carrington Event—caused by a coronal mass ejection hit Earth, causing widespread electrical disruptions and blackouts.

[…]

In a study published in PNAS, Raimund Muscheler from Sweden’s Lund University and colleagues found evidence of another huge solar storm on the same scale as the one that hit in A.D. 775 Using two ice cores from Greenland, the team found the “enormous” storm took place around 2,610 B.C. “Our event was about 10 times stronger than any high-energy event observed during the past 70 years,” Muscheler told Newsweek.

[…]

I was going to blame the headline writer, but the body of the article suggests it’s the writer (or editor).

Someone doesn’t known that 2600BC is more than 2600 years ago.

And in 1859 there were damn few electrical devices. The one that existed, and was affected, was the telegraph system.

This is what happens when a website (Newsweek in this case) hires people who don’t really have a clue about what they write.

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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:36:51pm

re: #332 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

If I had to guess, I’d say Banks was getting money from well placed Russian financiers.

But, but that would make him a Useful Idiot for the Russians! Who could ever imagine that a Proper Englishman could ever fill such a role?!?!

{cough} Kim Philby {cough}

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austin_blue  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:46:14pm

Shit, even with DST, it’s late. Night all. Sweet dreams (except for those Lizards in Asia, in which case, have a lovely day!).

Ciao, tata, adieu, adios, gutte nacht. Later.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 11, 2019 • 11:48:25pm

re: #334 freetoken

I think blackouts in 1859 were a pre-existing condition, as it were.

No one who graduated college should write that 2610 BC was 2,600 years ago, but in this case it was probably a copy editor who only glanced at the article when composing a headline, and didn’t catch the BC part.

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William Lewis  Mar 12, 2019 • 12:17:51am

Oy, I gotta get to bed. thank you all.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 12, 2019 • 12:19:13am

re: #337 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I think blackouts in 1859 were a pre-existing condition, as it were.

No one who graduated college should write that 2610 BC was 2,600 years ago, but in this case it was probably a copy editor who only glanced at the article when composing a headline, and didn’t catch the BC part.

… or that 2610 AD is well into the future …

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 12:45:01am

re: #339 goddamnedfrank

… or that 2610 AD is well into the future …

The textbook we’re using here was first published in 2008, so we are amused at it referring to 2020 as “the distant future.”

Even so, it’s hard to believe it arrives in only 9 more months.

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William Lewis  Mar 12, 2019 • 12:58:03am

re: #340 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

The textbook we’re using here was first published in 2008, so we are amused at it referring to 2020 as “the distant future.”

Even so, it’s hard to believe it arrives in only 9 more months.

My favorite MCR album, Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, is set in that far off year of 2019. Why not? Our best moments are forever in the future …

My Chemical Romance - SING [Official Music Video]

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 1:03:00am

re: #341 William Lewis

My favorite MCR album, Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, is set in that far off year of 2019. Why not? Our best moments are forever in the future …

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The original Blade Runner movie is set in the far flung future of 2019. I’m glad our present is not like that future. Yeesh.

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William Lewis  Mar 12, 2019 • 1:17:48am

re: #338 William Lewis

Oy, I gotta get to bed. thank you all.

so here I am anyway. Oy…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 1:23:28am

re: #343 William Lewis

so here I am anyway. Oy…

As for me, I am leaving the office to go home, BBIAB

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 1:45:42am

re: #323 sagehen

WHEN THE TAPES WERE RELEASED. Not before.

Without that smoking gun, they wouldn’t have turned. Today’s Senate R’s will turn on Trump if/when Mueller releases sufficiently compelling evidence.

Again, if the FBI releases a tape of Trump shooting a pregnant woman on 5th Avenue, the GOP and Fox will rush to defend his actions.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:10:21am

re: #345 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Yes, a great many Trumpers are in total denial of reality. They have been primed, for the most part, after a lifetime of being indoctrinated in religious teaching that tells them to ignore actual data.

Then combine that with the sinister motives of the very rich who are looking at become feudal lords over many… and we got Trump.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:12:22am

Your ancient history lesson for the night:

Expedition - Domitian’s Rule

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:14:25am

re: #346 freetoken

Yes, a great many Trumpers are in total denial of reality. They have been primed, for the most part, after a lifetime of being indoctrinated in religious teaching that tells them to ignore actual data.

Then combine that with the sinister motives of the very rich who are looking at become feudal lords over many… and we got Trump.

And a GOP strategy that knew it could count on a solid 30% to actively get out and vote. They then used a combination of voter suppression and promoting voter apathy (“There is no difference between the candidates!) and ratfucking manipulation to guarantee an electoral majority.

Media played along because Trump is a star and guarantees viewers. They decided it was more interesting to watch an empty podium waiting for DT to appear than, for example, to broadcast a speech that HRC was giving about better employment possibilities for people with disabilities.

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:22:29am

Am I saying there are lessons for us in the story of Domitian? Is that what I am saying?

Oh, and Sean Carroll’s latest podcast has a guest that speaks of ancient history and another period in the Roman past which may have lessons for us:

Episode 37: Edward Watts on the End of the Roman Republic and Lessons for Democracy

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:24:17am

re: #347 freetoken

Your ancient history lesson for the night:

Domitian? Impossible!

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:27:56am

re: #350 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Domitian? Impossible!

Inconceivable!

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:32:53am

I do love this performance:

Liberace in London Special * Part 2 (1968)

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:33:42am

re: #351 freetoken

Inconceivable!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:47:07am

re: #353 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

George Carlin: FM & AM - Birth Control

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 12, 2019 • 2:57:53am

Wag the dog.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:14:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:19:48am

re: #355 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Abandoning an embassy in a crisis country isn’t unheard of, but the last part of this statement is a pretty clear suggestion of military action. Given that still seems unlikely (?), looks like a pressure tactic.

They are admitting that there is no more room for diplomacy. And it was no “coincidence” that Bolton let the world see his “notes” on sending 5,000 troops to Bolivia…

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freetoken  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:31:44am

re: #357 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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sagehen  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:34:49am

Unlike our middle east wars, at least for Venezuela we won’t need a bunch of local translators to later abandon, we have plenty of our own troops who speak the language.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:39:36am

re: #359 sagehen

Unlike our middle east wars, at least for Venezuela we won’t need a bunch of local translators to later abandon, we have plenty of our own troops who speak the language.

We are being fed the line of reasoning that Venezuela is a Socialist Hellhole that we have to save for Humanitarian Reasons

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 3:52:49am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are being fed the line of reasoning that Venezuela is a Socialist Hellhole that we have to save for Humanitarian Reasons

And instead of the Hearst newspapers lobbying for the Spanish-American War, we today have Fox News, the media organ of the GOP.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:08:53am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are being fed the line of reasoning that Venezuela is a Socialist Hellhole that we have to save for Humanitarian Reasons

Must be a bitch to need rescuing if you live in a country without oil wells.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:12:40am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

Must be a bitch to need rescuing if you live in a country without oil wells.

Exactly. Those dictators and humanitarian catastrophes are irrelevant.

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:26:13am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

Must be a bitch to need rescuing if you live in a country without oil wells.

Country w/ oil: “WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS SCOURGE TO CONTINUE! WE MUST RESCUE THEM IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!!”

Country w/o oil: “Eh, what can we do? We’re not the world’s policemen, they need to sort their own shit out.”

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:33:58am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:40:01am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

Jeb Bush’s Super PAC (Right to Rise USA) that spent >$100 million for Jeb was hit with a massive $390,000 fine by the FEC for soliciting >$1 million in ILLEGAL contributions from Chinese nationals via Jeb’s brother, Neil

Prease crap

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:41:57am

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:46:36am

Watching Maximum Overdrive and marveling at 80’s film physics, where a semi hitting sedan in the rear quarter instead pole-vaults the damned car instead of spinning it around.

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sagehen  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:52:51am

re: #360 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are being fed the line of reasoning that Venezuela is a Socialist Hellhole that we have to save for Humanitarian Reasons

Trump’s accolytes might pretend to buy that reasoning… but they really don’t. They just want the oil.

People who care about humanitarian anything don’t believe that Venezuela is the worst case out there. People who care about humanitarian stuff might even point out that Puerto Rico could use some humanitarian relief, they’re a whole lot closer and easier to get to — and of course the fact that they’re American citizens and American taxpayers and FFS they were entitled to such relief a year and a half ago and it’s still not forthcoming.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:58:44am

re: #325 austin_blue

No one is above the law and anyone citing that 1970s DOJ paper on whether the president can be impeached doesn’t get that it’s an opinion. It’s not the rule of law.

It’s never been tested. But we have examples from every other level of government that shows that corruption and criminal misconduct is prosecuted against governors, mayors and congress members. The president isn’t above the law and can and should be prosecuted for criminal acts uncovered - including those unrelated to the actual campaign or effort to be president. Arguably everything Trump did to enrich himself over his life ultimately aided his effort to be president. That means money laundering for Russian oligarchs by selling them properties so they can transform the nature of the funds invested is a criminal act that leveraged those oligarchs against Trump.

Then there are the direct crimes - those Trump and his campaign engaged in to win the nomination and election. That includes all the coordination of activities with foreign agents. That includes hiring a bunch of crooks who include Gates, Manafort, Flynn, and Papadopoulos.

Then there’s Cohen and his criminal acts, and for which the SDNY names Trump as unindicted coconspirator on those schemes - federal felonies.

And last, but not the least, is the coverup - the obstruction, witness tampering, and all the rest that Trump has done on a daily basis to hide all the aforementioned criminal acts.

So yeah, indict him. Let him try to defend his actions in court.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 4:58:47am

Regarding the OP, John Oliver is a genius! Robocalling the FCC directors. Muahahaha!

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Targetpractice  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:11:55am

Think we need to separate the motivations of the Trump admin from those of his wingnut base with regards to supporting “regime change” in Venezuela. The former are motivated largely by oil, but there is also an element of notching a “win” for Trump’s foreign policy by “liberating” the Venezuelan people from “socialism.” The latter have bought totally into the BS about the Venezuelan people suffering under the rule of a socialist dictator and the need for America to go in and save them. You know, the same nimrods who believed that the Iraqi people were begging us to come in and remove Saddam so they could live in the wonder and beauty of American democracy.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:13:03am
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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:16:25am

So, the consensus here seems to be that Pelosi was wrong to say impeaching Trump isn’t worth it.

But was that actually the point. Pelosi reiterated her position so as to generate the outrage factor to support impeachment? Is she 3d chess playing to build up the case for impeachment all while depriving the GOP of an argument that the Democrats are fixated on impeaching Trump?

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sagehen  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:20:24am

re: #365 Patricia Kayden

WHOA🔥@JebBush’s Super PAC (Right to Rise USA) that spent >$100 million for Jeb was hit with a massive $390,000 fine by the FEC for soliciting >$1 million in ILLEGAL contributions from #Chinese🇨🇳nationals via Jeb’s brother, Neil

Is this the same Jeb’s Brother that was part of the Keating 5 mess? Or was that a different Jeb’s Brother?

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:26:28am
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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:30:25am

re: #374 lawhawk

So, the consensus here seems to be that Pelosi was wrong to say impeaching Trump isn’t worth it.

But was that actually the point. Pelosi reiterated her position so as to generate the outrage factor to support impeachment? Is she 3d chess playing to build up the case for impeachment all while depriving the GOP of an argument that the Democrats are fixated on impeaching Trump?

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Rick Wilson posted a series of tweets about this but didn’t thread them for some reason. His take seems pretty right on.

1/ Pelosi is doing absolutely the right thing viz impeachment. It’s the right politics and it’s the right policy.

2/ The symbolism of impeaching in the House is meaningless unless the Senate convicts. It’s not going to happen.

3/ so why not use the investigation process if it was meant: to hold Trump accountable across-the-board. All the benefits, none of the inoculation.

4/ Set a fire that burns and burns and burns until his empire of shit is reduced to ashes. Don’t give him one fight of impeachment/not impeachment.

The House investigations are basically impeachment in all but name. They’d be doing the same thing if they launched impeachment proceedings, but as of now it would end with the compromised Senate voting not to convict and remove. Which would be spun as vindication by the Trump Cult.

Also - Trump wants them to impeach. He’d run his entire reelection campaign as a fight against the Witch Hunt if he could. Pelosi is denying him the one thing that would truly rev up the base. Smart.

And the ‘He’s not worth it’ line, while seemingly a throwaway, is going to be a thorn in Trump’s paw. The worst thing you can tell him is that he’s not worth your attention.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:36:59am

re: #377 makeitstop

More than a few people have noted that all the oversight and other committee investigations into Trumpworld acts are the functional equivalent to impeachment.

The problem is that it still lacks the enforcement against Trump. What can Congress do if impeachment isn’t a tool to enforce against a president who engages in widespread criminal misconduct.

Or, will the total weight of the evidence against Trump be such that it convinces 60 senators to vote to remove Trump - the punishment for a conviction on a single act.

With Clinton, the closest they got was 50 votes on one of the two charges that the House passed (out of the 4 under consideration).

Pelosi also knows that McConnell could even try to prevent the Senate from taking it up at all, just as he refused to take up the Garland nomination.

So Pelosi goes with the twofer - nonstop hearings, defangs impeachment, but leaves the door open while calling Trump not worth it (he is, but this is an ego hit that she knows will sting). It also suggests that Pelosi might be goading Trump into making even more mistakes.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:38:44am

re: #377 makeitstop

I especially like that last part — “he’s not worth it.” It can be taken at so many levels, but Trump will only hear the part demeaning him personally.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:46:28am

re: #375 sagehen

I believe that one was named Neil.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:51:30am

re: #373 lawhawk

Chris Christi is pissed. I’m OK with that.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:53:49am

Wursts!!

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:55:53am

re: #382 Dave In Austin

Wursts!!

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It was the breast of times, it was the wurst of times….

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 5:57:14am

re: #378 lawhawk

More than a few people have noted that all the oversight and other committee investigations into Trumpworld acts are the functional equivalent to impeachment.

The problem is that it still lacks the enforcement against Trump. What can Congress do if impeachment isn’t a tool to enforce against a president who engages in widespread criminal misconduct.

Or, will the total weight of the evidence against Trump be such that it convinces 60 senators to vote to remove Trump - the punishment for a conviction on a single act.

With Clinton, the closest they got was 50 votes on one of the two charges that the House passed (out of the 4 under consideration).

Pelosi also knows that McConnell could even try to prevent the Senate from taking it up at all, just as he refused to take up the Garland nomination.

So Pelosi goes with the twofer - nonstop hearings, defangs impeachment, but leaves the door open while calling Trump not worth it (he is, but this is an ego hit that she knows will sting). It also suggests that Pelosi might be goading Trump into making even more mistakes.

67 senators. 2/3.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:00:30am

And, considering that 80+% of the American people favor some gun control legislation that the Senate has refused to even vote on because they still don’t suffer at the polls for it, it’s going to take a lot to get the Senate to budge on impeachment.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:01:36am

re: #379 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I especially like that last part — “he’s not worth it.” It can be taken at so many levels, but Trump will only hear the part demeaning him personally.

As long as he can be contained by the courts and Congress (big if), I want him in office because he’s totally incompetent. He’s also exposing so much about the Right that people beyond political junkies were just not aware of.

And going into Venezuela will be incredibly unpopular.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:02:57am

I have decided that, in the debate over whether to stay on Daylight Savings Time or to stay on regular time (ie, winter), I have come to the conclusion I prefer winter time. Two reasons: I like the early morning light, and, more importantly, I like the extra hour of cooldown before bed time.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:05:33am

re: #383 Barefoot Grin

It was the breast of times, it was the wurst of times….

Don’t Knock it!!!

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:06:06am

re: #384 Belafon

67 senators. 2/3.

The Senate failed to convict Bill Clinton even though the GOP had a 10 seat majority. It will take more than a slam-dunk atrocity to get the GOP Senate to convict Trump.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:07:54am

re: #387 Belafon

I have decided that, in the debate over whether to stay on Daylight Savings Time or to stay on regular time (ie, winter), I have come to the conclusion I prefer winter time. Two reasons: I like the early morning light, and, more importantly, I like the extra hour of cooldown before bed time.

I grew up in in Indiana and Arizona, two states that did not change time (Indiana has since started changing over).

In Arizona, most offices switch to “summer hours” and start work at 7am and knock off at 3 or 4pm. And builders start at 5am so they can be done before the hottest part of the day.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:08:22am

re: #389 Decatur Deb

The Senate failed to convict Bill Clinton even though the GOP had a 10 seat majority. It will take more than a slam-dunk atrocity to get the GOP Senate to convict Trump.

Impeachment is a political act, and it says a lot about our country, which right now isn’t really very good. Until the Senate Republicans feel themselves suffer for Trump, there’s no incentive for them to stand up for the country or the Constitution.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:09:33am

re: #391 Belafon

Impeachment is a political act, and it says a lot about our country, which right now isn’t really very good. Until the Senate Republicans feel themselves suffer for Trump, there’s no incentive for them to stand up for the country or the Constitution.

We would not need a Mueller Report if there were the political will: Trump has already presented enough cases of clear conflict of interest, obstructing justice and the most egregious violations of the Emoluments Clause.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:14:33am

re: #391 Belafon

Impeachment is a political act, and it says a lot about our country, which right now isn’t really very good. Until the Senate Republicans feel themselves suffer for Trump, there’s no incentive for them to stand up for the country or the Constitution.

Beyond GOP intransigence, impeachment is seen as a Bad Thing in se . It attacks the assertion that the US is a stable democracy whose Presidents get to finish their term. That might be a myth, but it is a precious myth to a lot of people.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:17:24am

re: #387 Belafon

I have decided that, in the debate over whether to stay on Daylight Savings Time or to stay on regular time (ie, winter), I have come to the conclusion I prefer winter time. Two reasons: I like the early morning light, and, more importantly, I like the extra hour of cooldown before bed time.

Why don’t we just split the difference, I don’t want to have a beef with you. I suck at puns, I’ll go now.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:19:49am

re: #394 Shropshire Slasher

Think you cited the wrong comment, there.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:21:10am

re: #395 Decatur Deb

Screw the rest of the world, I want my half hour. I know it doesn’t make sense now that I read it.

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Old Liberal  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:23:30am

re: #355 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Wag the dog.

If this was real prelude why broadcast it on Twitter? More posturing.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:24:39am

re: #388 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Don’t Knock it!!!

Don’t like it?? Talk to me! I brat it!! Are you sure ya have the liver for it?

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:27:50am

re: #397 Old Liberal

If this was real prelude why broadcast it on Twitter? More posturing.

Can’t assume that all of the administration’s bad actors are of one mind. Some might be posturing, some miscalculating, some seizing an opportunity.

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Old Liberal  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:31:45am

re: #399 Decatur Deb

Can’t assume that all of the administration’s bad actors are of one mind. Some might be posturing, some miscalculating, some seizing an opportunity.

I’m just saying there’s no reason to announce on Twitter when you can do it quietly. I don’t doubt the malevolent forces are scheming. They failed in their little aid gambit.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:33:31am

Boeing is getting it’s just rewards. Shut Em’ down Joe! Shut em dowm around the world.

Except in Donny’s World. Don’t fly on these planes.

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Jay C  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:36:31am

Picayune rant about computer technology:

I bought an HP laptop a few months ago as an backup for my moribund 2011 Dell. I don’t use the HP that much, but when I turned it on this morning, it started up in the blue-screen “Working on updates” mode - which of course, can’t be stopped (Windows 10).So far, it has been on for 35 minutes and seems stuck at 84%. Is this normal? Or does Bill Gates get a bonus based on hourly rates?

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:39:02am

re: #402 Jay C

Picayune rant about computer technology:

I bought an HP laptop a few months ago as an backup for my moribund 2011 Dell. I don’t use the HP that much, but when I turned it on this morning, it started up I. The blue-screen “working on updates” mode - which of course, can’t be stopped (Windows 10).So far, it has been on for 35 minutes and seems stuck at 84%. Is this normal? Or does Bill Gates get a bonus based on hourly rates?

I’ve had a couple updates from them for Win10 that ran for over an hour before finishing successfully. And restarted the PC like 3 - 4 times.

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Jay C  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:41:17am

re: #403 Eventual Carrion

I’ve had a couple updates from them for Win10 that ran for over an hour before finishing successfully. And restarted the PC like 3 - 4 times.

Great.
Nothing like “progress”.
Good thing I have my iPad.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:45:57am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Think we need to separate the motivations of the Trump admin from those of his wingnut base with regards to supporting “regime change” in Venezuela. The former are motivated largely by oil, but there is also an element of notching a “win” for Trump’s foreign policy by “liberating” the Venezuelan people from “socialism.” The latter have bought totally into the BS about the Venezuelan people suffering under the rule of a socialist dictator and the need for America to go in and save them. You know, the same nimrods who believed that the Iraqi people were begging us to come in and remove Saddam so they could live in the wonder and beauty of American democracy.

Can you cite some evidence that the wingnut base is in favor of military action in Venezuela? Because everything I’ve seen suggests that they’re isolationists (=America firsters). Although they may go along with DT for a while.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 12, 2019 • 6:52:22am

re: #405 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Can you cite some evidence that the wingnut base is in favor of military action in Venezuela? Because everything I’ve seen suggests that they’re isolationists (=America firsters). Although they may go along with DT for a while.

I watch Freep like a petri dish. They seem about evenly divided.

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:06:57am
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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:13:09am
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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:15:32am

re: #405 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

They will have to get in line with Russia and China, kinda like that beat-down scene in Airplane!

cnbc.com

Venezuela is in the middle of a power struggle at the highest level, and that could mean trouble for its two biggest foreign allies: China and Russia.

The socialist petrostate is home to the largest oil reserves on the planet, but endemic corruption has devastated its economy. Beijing and Moscow have helped the country stave off collapse by repeatedly extending financial lifelines — to the tune of tens of billions of dollars over the last decade.

For the most part, those oil-for-debt swaps were good for all parties involved. But that may be changing.
With the United States and others backing opposition leader Juan Guaido as the country’s legitimate president over dictator Nicolas Maduro, it could take longer for Russia and China to get their money back. And in the case of some loans, they may not get anything back at all.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:17:08am

re: #407 darthstar

Perhaps Donnie can follow his buddy Kim Jong Un’s habits and only take trains to get places.

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:23:58am

The second half of Trump’s airplane safety tweet is too fucking stupid to quote.

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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:26:45am

Huh, I missed this last night. Is it too early for popcorn?

That attempted Bills purchase, huh? Yeah, turn over every goddamn rock.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:29:51am

More Brexit madness:

They’re well and truly fucked. Their parliament is hopelessly paralyzed and they’ll end up crashing out on 29 March - only 17 days from now.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:36:57am

re: #411 darthstar

The second half of Trump’s airplane safety tweet is too fucking stupid to quote.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:39:18am
Norwegian Air Shuttle says it has grounded its Boeing 737 Max 8 aircraft on recommendation from European aviation authorities after Sunday’s Ethiopian Airlines crash.

The Norwegian carrier has 18 of the planes.

Tomas Hesthammer, the low-cost carrier’s acting chief operating officer, says that “the safety and security of our customers and colleagues will never be compromised, and once authorities advise to cease operations we will of course comply.”

A growing number of airlines and countries around the world have grounded the planes.

apnews.com

Oh man, this is gonna hit Boeing pretty damn hard, I think.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:41:09am

re: #414 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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So Albert Einstein was known for his quick reflexes and his cool decision-making under stress? You learn something new every day!

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:41:10am
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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:44:09am

re: #416 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

So Albert Einstein was known for his quick reflexes and his cool decision-making under stress? You learn something new every day!

Well, we’ve all seen the greatest Einstein bio of all time, Young Einsten, right?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:56:48am

Back later; off to teach.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 12, 2019 • 7:56:57am

re: #414 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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Okay, time for the logbook card. I have been a pilot for 53 years. I have logged 7900 some odd hours in the air. T-Rump is even more full of shit than usual when he tries to hold forth about this. Flying is basically easier than driving, it’s just that the consequences of inattention or a mistake or equipment failure are much more likely to be serious.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:00:31am

re: #405 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Can you cite some evidence that the wingnut base is in favor of military action in Venezuela? Because everything I’ve seen suggests that they’re isolationists (=America firsters). Although they may go along with DT for a while.

Hatred of Socialism is being whipped up. Hatred of brown/skinned people is already there, just needs to be focused on a Brutal Dictator (with oil)

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:02:34am

re: #172 Belafon

It is right now with a Republican controlled Senate. The point being that if you’re hoping the Senate will remove him, you’re wasting your time.

Nixon had majority support in the Senate until well into impeachment hearings.

The American people deserve a public examination of the crimes that Trump has committed.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:04:08am

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

apnews.com

Oh man, this is gonna hit Boeing pretty damn hard, I think.

Yep. Boeing, FAA and the NTSB need to get this worked out real quick.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:05:24am

re: #424 Scottish Dragon

Yep. Boeing, (the acting directors of the ) FAA and the NTSB need to get this worked out real quick.

FTFY

(because they are not likely to)

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:08:33am
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makeitstop  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:09:12am

re: #423 Scottish Dragon

Nixon had majority support in the Senate until well into impeachment hearings.

The American people deserve a public examination of the crimes that Trump has committed.

And the House committees are doing just that, no?

A year of televised hearings, even without the rubric of ‘impeachment,’ should do a lot to drive up Trump’s negatives. And Pelosi’s ‘announcement’ yesterday (which was already in the public record anyway) will make Trump think he’s got nothing to worry about, while taking away the fight he so desperately wants to have.

The Senate will not vote to convict, if they even participate. Pelosi’s move will put everything on the record, without that bad ending that Trump would spin as vindication.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:10:02am

re: #421 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Okay, time for the logbook card. I have been a pilot for 53 years. I have logged 7900 some odd hours in the air. T-Rump is even more full of shit than usual when he tries to hold forth about this. Flying is basically easier than driving, it’s just that the consequences of inattention or a mistake or equipment failure are much more likely to be serious.

The closest I have ever come to flying is driving a 637 class submarine while submerged.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:10:43am

re: #428 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

The closest I have ever come to flying is driving a 637 class submarine while submerged.

Closest I have come is driving a Saab on the Autobahn.

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:15:02am

re: #429 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Closest I have come is driving a Saab on the Autobahn.

Closest I’ve come was watching my girls use a flight simulator at Laughlin Air Force Base.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:15:02am

Felicity Huffman is one of the indicted persons here.

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:19:19am
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:19:21am

re: #427 makeitstop

And the House committees are doing just that, no?

A year of televised hearings, even without the rubric of ‘impeachment,’ should do a lot to drive up Trump’s negatives. And Pelosi’s ‘announcement’ yesterday (which was already in the public record anyway) will make Trump think he’s got nothing to worry about, while taking away the fight he so desperately wants to have.

The Senate will not vote to convict, if they even participate. Pelosi’s move will put everything on the record, without that bad ending that Trump would spin as vindication.

Justice cannot be contingent on whatever Trump decides to spin, and the offences will likely prove grave enough that impeachment will be compelled as a practical matter, even if his sycophants in the Senate refuse to convict. If we see documentary evidence of conspiracy, obstruction of justice or he pardons his children etc after they are indicted, then the rule of law must be protected. Let the cowards in the Senate be revealed as cowards.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:20:47am

re: #415 Dr Lizardo

apnews.com

Oh man, this is gonna hit Boeing pretty damn hard, I think.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:21:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:23:08am

JFC, these people…

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:23:19am

re: #435 Scottish Dragon

Let’s see if he can stand out in the existing field. I think other than being the grandpa, there’s not much to him.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:23:40am

I hope Joe is ready for a real thorough look at how he treated Anita Hill and the stuff he said about race and crime in the 80’s.

African American folks are already bringing this up a LOT in my twitter feed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:24:29am

re: #426 darthstar

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:26:19am
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Jay C  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:28:30am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, these people…

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Oh, man! Someone want to explain to these Senate idiots that “paid family leave” does NOT mean “pay for it yourself”???

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:29:39am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:30:58am

re: #441 Jay C

Oh, man! Someone want to explain to these Senate idiots that “paid family leave” does NOT mean “pay for it yourself”???

How about a “not-having-to-quit-your-job-because-you-get-pregnant” bill?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:31:26am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:39:20am

re: #386 BlueGrl21

As long as he can be contained by the courts and Congress (big if), I want him in office because he’s totally incompetent. He’s also exposing so much about the Right that people beyond political junkies were just not aware of.

And going into Venezuela will be incredibly unpopular.

Devoted Trumpsters may favor this because they believe that it would prevent
people from creating “caravans” to flee instability. After all, one way to persuade citizens to stay in their own nation is to provide decent living conditions so they are not motivated to leave. Other Americans will not be so enthusiastic by such a venture.

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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:40:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:42:15am
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sagehen  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:42:43am

re: #431 Scottish Dragon

Felicity Huffman is one of the indicted persons here.

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So everyone in this scam… do all their kids get expelled from wherever those fake SAT scores got them into?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:44:15am

re: #449 sagehen

So everyone in this scam… do all their kids get expelled from wherever those fake SAT scores got them into?

I’ll bet not the athletes…

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:48:35am

re: #374 lawhawk

So, the consensus here seems to be that Pelosi was wrong to say impeaching Trump isn’t worth it.

But was that actually the point. Pelosi reiterated her position so as to generate the outrage factor to support impeachment? Is she 3d chess playing to build up the case for impeachment all while depriving the GOP of an argument that the Democrats are fixated on impeaching Trump?

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It wasn’t my consensus. I said I believe in what she is doing considering the cards she has been dealt and the players at the table.

Also, her stance takes the heat off her party for election purposes and puts it all on the American people to react and the Republican party to deal with the reactions.

I’ve been surprised by the TV news I’ve heard too. They all have made a thing of the remark Trump isn’t worth, and all have closed the report saying “but she hasn’t ruled it out if there is bipartisan support.”

The Republicans are always mouthing off about bipartisanship.

Thinking further last evening, I started to really like her saying “Trump isn’t worth it.”

We all know Trump will react to that because he hates anything negative about him, even if it a good thing. He’s probably wondering why Clinton and Nixon were worth it and he is not.

Pelosi is good. And I hope all those younger Democrat house members are watching and learning.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:49:04am
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darthstar  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:50:18am
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BeachDem  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:50:51am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, these people…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:52:00am

jeebus

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:53:12am

re: #377 makeitstop

Rick Wilson posted a series of tweets about this but didn’t thread them for some reason. His take seems pretty right on.

The House investigations are basically impeachment in all but name. They’d be doing the same thing if they launched impeachment proceedings, but as of now it would end with the compromised Senate voting not to convict and remove. Which would be spun as vindication by the Trump Cult.

Also - Trump wants them to impeach. He’d run his entire reelection campaign as a fight against the Witch Hunt if he could. Pelosi is denying him the one thing that would truly rev up the base. Smart.

And the ‘He’s not worth it’ line, while seemingly a throwaway, is going to be a thorn in Trump’s paw. The worst thing you can tell him is that he’s not worth your attention.

Ha. Just answered lawhawk above and said the same thing about Trump not being worth it.

Also, I remember what Michael Steels said last week on Nicole Wallace’s show. He said if you think about it, Pelosi has all of her committees impeaching Trump right now and making it a public trial. The jury is the American public and will be voting for conviction and sentencing in the elections of 2020.

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BeachDem  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:56:02am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Wonder if Felicity got the idea from watching Lip on “Shameless”
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 8:57:57am
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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:01:34am

re: #453 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The real scandal is what is still perfectly legal.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:04:38am

re: #427 makeitstop

And the House committees are doing just that, no?

A year of televised hearings, even without the rubric of ‘impeachment,’ should do a lot to drive up Trump’s negatives. And Pelosi’s ‘announcement’ yesterday (which was already in the public record anyway) will make Trump think he’s got nothing to worry about, while taking away the fight he so desperately wants to have.

The Senate will not vote to convict, if they even participate. Pelosi’s move will put everything on the record, without that bad ending that Trump would spin as vindication.

Did you read my rather long comment yesterday? I’m hearing echos!!! : )

First time I think I ever made the top of the top 10 comments. I thought I would get killed for it.

#22 in this thread.

And thanks all for the updings.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:06:26am

I begrudgingly agree with Pelosi re: Impeachment.

Trump is bulletproof with the current GOP senate and any Impeachment attempt will be DOA.

Unless something comes out that causes the GOP to abandon Trump en masse it’s a losing battle.

So she’s focusing on the ones she can win. That’s good strategy.

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Jay C  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:07:09am

re: #456 Backwoods_Sleuth

jeebus

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Southern Cal is my old alma mater: back in that (dim ancient) day there was a bit of doggerel that was said to sum up the prevailing attitude there:

U.S.C.
Pay Your Fee.
Get Your Degree.

I was told by an old alum friend a while back that it wasn’t quite like that any more (notwithstanding the vast redefinition of “fee” in the intervening decades years) : but I see there are still some old college traditions hanging on in the Hallowed Halls of Troy…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:08:43am
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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:08:52am

re: #432 darthstar

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Whut???!!!

If I was a resident of West By God Virginia I would be pissed as hell. That is the most outrageous claim from a chemical company I’ve heard in a long time.

Yeah, Trump has opened up this kind of crap with his cutting the EPA at the knees. Dow knows they have protection as do the funky state politicians.

And we wonder why Joe Manchin is the way he is.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:11:49am

re: #438 Scottish Dragon

I hope Joe is ready for a real thorough look at how he treated Anita Hill and the stuff he said about race and crime in the 80’s.

African American folks are already bringing this up a LOT in my twitter feed.

I think Joe Biden is going to regret this. He is going to get hammered from all sides.

It is different political times. Reaching a hand across the isle will get it cut off. I hope he is prepared for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:15:58am

re: #460 Scottish Dragon

The real scandal is what is still perfectly legal.

yep

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garzooma  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:16:31am

So if Putin has Pelosi murdered, and Trump tries to stop an investigation, would we be ok with Democrats not demanding impeachment?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:18:08am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep

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Penny-ante shit is illegal. “Donating a building” is noblesse oblige.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:20:19am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:22:52am

re: #447 darthstar

Ju-Air banned from operating commercial Ju52 flights

Damn, I love when Tante Ju comes sailing over the valley. I can hear those old motors from a long way off and always go out to wave.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:24:34am

This country is getting appallingly corrupt.

Are there are any sane and moral motherfuckers left anymore?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:25:06am

re: #460 Scottish Dragon

The real scandal is what is still perfectly legal.

Affirmative action for the 1%

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:25:38am

re: #471 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Damn, I love when Tante Ju comes sailing over the valley. I can hear those old motors from a long way off and always go out to wave.

I want to see three of them towing an Me 321 Gigant glider.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:26:01am

re: #466 ObserverArt

I think Joe Biden is going to regret this. He is going to get hammered from all sides.

It is different political times. Reaching a hand across the isle will get it cut off. I hope he is prepared for it.

I assume he is prepared for it, he is going to get assailed from tons of ratfuckers and idealists.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:26:09am

re: #452 Backwoods_Sleuth

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For a supposedly Christian country we sure have a lot of scandals and other bad crap going on.

I guess there was some kind of an heated exchange at an NBA b-ball game in Salt Lake City last night between Russell Westbrook an Oklahoma City player and a Salt Lake fan. It apparently involved the N word and more.

I hear the fan did an interview on Salt Lake TV this morning and claiming he said nothing bad. He called it…wait for it…FAKE NEWS.

By identifying himself people have gone on the social media hunt and this guy apparently is just a little mouthy about his bigotry. They say his posting and comments are pretty bad. Busted big mouth.

Salt Lake City…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:27:27am

re: #474 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I want to see three of them towing an Me 321 Gigant glider.

What a dream.

I suggested that they offer flights in the dead of winter in which you pay to get carried onto the plane on a stretcher as the last casualty to leave Stalingrad while a group of ragged, desperate soldiers chase your plane down the runway…

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:27:50am

re: #467 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Teukka  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:28:41am

Zero Hedge Says Facebook Banned Users From Sharing Its Posts

Zero Hedge said that Facebook Inc. has begun banning users from sharing links to posts published on the libertarian financial website, known for its bearish bent and anti-establishment commentary.
Readers of the blog reported being unable to share links to Zero Hedge articles via the social media platform, which has previously said it’s making a concerted effort to clamp down on fake news and harmful content amid mounting criticism. Alerts from Facebook said such stories “couldn’t be shared, because this link goes against our Community Standards.”
[…]

More at link.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:29:52am
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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:30:10am

re: #472 Eclectic Cyborg

This country is getting appallingly corrupt.

Are there are any sane and moral motherfuckers left anymore?

We’ve been told to sit in the back of the bus and be quiet. So we’re back there studying how to drive this thing, and all the rules and regulations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:30:48am

good grief

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retired cynic  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:32:03am

re: #417 darthstar

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Comment on that article: “Black velvet doesn’t have the same Je ne sais quoi as it did in the 70’s.”

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:33:24am

Gonna run out and run around in the sun. 42 and sunny right now, headed for high 40s. Time to wash the car and get the last of the salt residue off it.

I need some sunshine…vitamin D!

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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:35:07am

re: #483 retired cynic

Comment on that article: “Black velvet doesn’t have the same Je ne sais quoi as it did in the 70’s.”

Nowadays you can sais all the quoi you want. It’s been pulled off the pedestal.

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Alephnaught  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:37:48am

Surprise!

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:38:36am

re: #401 Dave In Austin

What is the beef with Boeing?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:40:25am

re: #464 Backwoods_Sleuth

Boeing directed a lot of Free Speech at Mitch McConnell’s PAC and the NRSC in the last cycle. Something to consider today.

Boeing has no interest in promoting or selling a plane that is dangerous. It’s not like the Sacklers who knew that opioid addiction leads to profits; or the tobacco companies where a toxic product that eventually kills many of its users also leads to profits. For the airplane industry, a product that is dangerous leads to the death of the company. I have no doubt that they are working full time — overtime — trying to determine what happened. They would not have knowingly sold a plane that posed such a danger.

If Boeing dies, the damage to this nation and its technology is incalculable — it’s not as though there is another American firm that can take up its mantle to produce civilian aircraft. They have to resolve this soon — and my concern is that the real problem is so embedded in a lethal flaw in the design that it cannot be corrected on a timely basis.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:42:49am

re: #488 Hecuba’s daughter

Yep. I worked on Boeing products for years and I always found them to be solid, well designed aircraft. This new problem with the 737 is just so out of the blue strange I am having trouble wrapping my head around it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:43:28am

re: #487 Scottish Dragon

What is the beef with Boeing?

Seems to be software issues with stall control due to issues with software updates in new 737-800s and lack of education to pilots and airlines. Two huge crashes in the last 6 months. Airlines in the far east are parking the planes.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:43:36am

re: #469 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Penny-ante shit is illegal. “Donating a building” is noblesse oblige.

Especially if your daddy knows you can’t get into Harvard without getting a building named after him.

Like Jared.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:44:30am

re: #436 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC, these people…

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This proposal is literally everything wrong with the US approach to a safety net: use your own money to pay for family leave so that you can work later into life.

Saying it out loud should be sufficient to get it laughed to oblivion.

The unfortunate part is that when Democrats oppose the bill, the compliant media will go along with Republican framing that Democrats are against families.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:44:47am

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:44:59am

re: #488 Hecuba’s daughter

Boeing has no interest in promoting or selling a plane that is dangerous. It’s not like the Sacklers who knew that opioid addiction leads to profits; or the tobacco companies where a toxic product that eventually kills many of its users also leads to profits. For the airplane industry, a product that is dangerous leads to the death of the company. I have no doubt that they are working full time — overtime — trying to determine what happened. They would not have knowingly sold a plane that posed such a danger.

If Boeing dies, the damage to this nation and its technology is incalculable — it’s not as though there is another American firm that can take up its mantle to produce civilian aircraft. They have to resolve this soon — and my concern is that the real problem is so embedded in a lethal flaw in the design that it cannot be corrected on a timely basis.

Yeah, I’ve spent my whole life in Seattle and the surrounding area, so naturally I hate Boeing with a purple passion—but they genuinely are “too big to fail”.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:45:20am

Also, too…we don’t have another civilian jet liner manufacturer in the US and only Airbus can compete in the global market. We literally cannot afford to lose Boeing.

Maybe somebody in congressional oversight should have thought about that before allowing McDonnel Douglas and Boeing to merge.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:45:33am

re: #489 Scottish Dragon

Yep. I worked on Boeing products for years and I always found them to be solid, well designed aircraft. This new problem with the 737 is just so out of the blue strange I am having trouble wrapping my head around it.

One of my best buddies back in high school that I flew competitive model rockets with made it to VP of design software at Boeing. He retired about three years ago. I wonder what his thinking is these days.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:45:50am

re: #490 ObserverArt

Seems to be software issues with stall control due to issues with software updates in new 737-800s and lack of education to pilots and airlines. Two huge crashes in the last 6 months. Airlines in the far east are parking the planes.

I meant he seemed to have a personal gripe.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:46:51am

Trump the technologist or Trump the technophobe.

Yeah, he’s the latter. But he doesn’t realize it. His supporters don’t care either.

And I know this about Twitter - not having an edit button sucks.

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ObserverArt  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:47:35am

re: #497 Scottish Dragon

I meant he seemed to have a personal gripe.

Ah. Sorry. I think he is just frustrated with another too big to fail company.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:48:35am

re: #494 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I’ve spent my whole life in Seattle and the surrounding area, so naturally I hate Boeing with a purple passion—but they genuinely are “too big to fail”.

Our anti-trust watchdogs failed us. We used to have three or four competitive civilian jetliner manufacturers here in the US.

Now we have two in the entire world.

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BeachDem  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:50:13am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

As an official old, I thought that too—when I got shingles at age 24. (Back when we wore onions on our belts, soaking with Domeboro provided the best relief.)

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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:50:41am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

I had a case. A year later, I got the vaccine so I wouldn’t get it again. The vax is fully covered by ins., but only for those over 50, IIRC.

{{{gentle hugs}}}

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:51:18am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

Are you sure your 39? //

That sucks.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:51:31am

re: #499 ObserverArt

Ah. Sorry. I think he is just frustrated with another too big to fail company.

I know they gave money to Mitch and the GOP etc. and people here are mad about that.

Of course they did. They aren’t stupid and they want contracts. If Dems win back the Senate, Boeing will happily shovel money to our people. If we want to stop this, we have to do something fundamental (and let’s be clear, the SCOTUS seems predisposed to rule against anti corruption bills right now)

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unproven innocence  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:53:39am

re: #432 darthstar

They argue that the EPA encourages states to incorporate state-specific science, and that because West Virginians are heavier, their bodies can handle more pollutants, and that because they drink less water, they are less exposed to the pollutants.

I’d insist on seeing the math on that. Until then, I’ll call it bullshit.

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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:54:16am

re: #494 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, I’ve spent my whole life in Seattle and the surrounding area, so naturally I hate Boeing with a purple passion—but they genuinely are “too big to fail”.

I forget the name of the guy who was known as ‘The senator from Boeing.’ Scoop Jackson?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:54:55am

re: #500 Scottish Dragon

Our anti-trust watchdogs failed us. We used to have three or four competitive civilian jetliner manufacturers here in the US.

Now we have two in the entire world.

There’s no law of physics that says it’s possible to build a jet airliner and sell it at a price resulting in ticket prices that people are willing to pay. Subsidy may be the only option. If so, I prefer the direct government subsidy Airbus model over the “soak the locals with tax giveaways, otherwise unnecessary infrastructure improvements, and outright bribes and still move to Chicago” model of Boeing.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:55:16am

re: #492 Mike Lamb

This proposal is literally everything wrong with the US approach to a safety net: use your own money to pay for family leave so that you can work later into life.

Saying it out loud should be sufficient to get it laughed to oblivion.

The unfortunate part is that when Democrats oppose the bill, the compliant media will go along with Republican framing that Democrats are against families.

Honestly I’m not against having this as an option if people want to do it, but there should be other, more convenient avenues available before something like this is even considered.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:56:39am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

Damn. Sorry to hear that. I’m 37 myself and even at my relatively young age, I find myself thankful for every healthy day that I get.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:56:49am

re: #508 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I’m not against having this as an option if people want to do it, but there should be other, more convenient avenues available before something like this is even considered.

I don’t want it to be an option because then it becomes the “You can take maternity leave on the company dime, or on yours, but only one of those goes on your company record” choice.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:57:30am
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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:57:49am

re: #506 wrenchwench

I forget the name of the guy who was known as ‘The senator from Boeing.’ Scoop Jackson?

Actually I think that phrase dates back to the thirties, before even Warren Magnuson’s time. James Farley supposedly told FDR: “The Senators from Boeing are here to see you.” But certainly Magnuson and Jackson filled that role in my yoot.

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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:58:09am

re: #507 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

There’s no law of physics that says it’s possible to build a jet airliner and sell it at a price resulting in ticket prices that people are willing to pay. Subsidy may be the only option. If so, I prefer the direct government subsidy Airbus model over the “soak the locals with tax giveaways, otherwise unnecessary infrastructure improvements, and outright bribes and still move to Chicago” model of Boeing.

And there’s no way to factor in the carbon cost. Flying is the least efficient form of transportation known to man. The most efficient: bicycles. Wenches know.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 9:58:28am

re: #510 Belafon

I don’t want it to be an option because then it becomes the “You can take maternity leave on the company dime, or on yours, but only one of those goes on your company record” choice.

Actually I was thinking of something like: “The government will provide X amount of maternity leave. If you want to take more, you have the option of doing this social security thing.”

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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:00:35am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

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Human powered flight! Reduced carbon!

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:00:51am
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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:01:48am

Trump and technology. Two words that never should go together.

Trump wants the latest and greatest for the military (which is so costly precisely because of the technology involved), but then goes on this rant?

He is addled.

But no one will tell him otherwise.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:02:55am

re: #517 lawhawk

Without technology, Trump would have never been elected.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:03:17am

re: #513 wrenchwench

And there’s no way to factor in the carbon cost. Flying is the least efficient form of transportation known to man. The most efficient: bicycles. Wenches know.

Boeing had a design for a hydrogen-burning 747—the bulge on top went back all the way. Where the hydrogen comes from, though….

Incomplete burning of natural gas would be worse than burning petroleum I think, and isn’t that where we get most of our hydrogen now?

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retired cynic  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:04:25am

I hope our friend James Anymouse in the Nebraska panhandle (and all those is Colorado) are ready for this coming winter “hurricane.” washingtonpost.com

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:04:40am
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:05:42am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

A few years ago, I got shingles 2 months after getting the vaccine. The good news is that you will survive and usually there are no long-term complications, but the experience is pure misery.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:06:04am

Moneychangers setting up in the temple.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:07:09am

re: #523 The Vicious Babushka

Moneychangers setting up in the temple.

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*spit*

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Teukka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:07:49am

re: #523 The Vicious Babushka

Moneychangers setting up in the temple.

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They must’ve forgotten what that carpenters lad Yeshua did to the moneychangers…
(Hint: only time known the guy was known to use violence).

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Mike Lamb  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:09:11am

re: #508 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I’m not against having this as an option if people want to do it, but there should be other, more convenient avenues available before something like this is even considered.

I’m pretty strongly opposed to it. And I’m really opposed to it based on the framing. This doesn’t, in any way, catch us up to the rest of the industrialized world. It’s a loan for maternity/paternity leave. The framing as if this is some kind of great gift being bestowed on the plebes is offensive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:11:13am

re: #486 Alephnaught

“… researchers conclude that the pro-leave Twitter community is receiving support from far-right Twitter accounts based outside of the UK.”

As long as enough people still believe that online presence = real person somewhere, this sort of thing is going to continue unabated.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:12:03am

re: #469 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Penny-ante shit is illegal. “Donating a building” is noblesse oblige.

It is also a form of Affirmative Action for the 1%.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:13:38am

re: #500 Scottish Dragon

Our anti-trust watchdogs failed us. We used to have three or four competitive civilian jetliner manufacturers here in the US.

Now we have two in the entire world.

It was sold to us as economy of scale.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:14:27am

re: #514 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually I was thinking of something like: “The government will provide X amount of maternity leave. If you want to take more, you have the option of doing this social security thing.”

Naaah. I think we just need to supply real paid maternity leave, which I would say is at least up to the time that the child can sit up.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:15:15am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

It is an adult form of chicken pox. Did you have that as a child?

I did, but only a mild case.

I have had outbreaks of shingles in my late 40’s and again last year, approaching 60. In both cases, they were brought on by nervous exhaustion.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:17:38am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

I’ve had it twice in the past couple years mainly as a side effect of Humira depressing my immune system. It is no fun and it is just hell on one side of my body. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. All I can tell you is to get as much rest as you can.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:18:04am

Top ten cities for aggressive driving:

1. Los Angeles

2. Philadelphia

3. Sacramento, Calif.

4. Atlanta

5. San Francisco

6. San Diego

7. Orlando, Fla.

8. Detroit

9. Austin, Texas

10. Las Vegas

New York, New Jersey, I am severely disappointed in you, didn’t make the top ten.
usatoday.com

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:19:06am

re: #492 Mike Lamb

This proposal is literally everything wrong with the US approach to a safety net: use your own money to pay for family leave so that you can work later into life.

Saying it out loud should be sufficient to get it laughed to oblivion.

The unfortunate part is that when Democrats oppose the bill, the compliant media will go along with Republican framing that Democrats are against families.

You are absolutely right. This is an extremely bad idea. First it will damage Social Security and substantially increase the budget deficit; second, currently those of us who are older often cannot find employment that pays meaningful wages and this proposal will guarantee there are more of us in this category. This is all part of the long-term GOP effort to undermine the social safety net.

My suggestion as always: let’s return to the Clinton era federal taxes, with appropriate modifications to help middle and lower income workers and with some adjustments to the estate taxes, which actually did affect people who were not wealthy at that time, and perhaps some increases toward AOC’s suggestions. Under that scenario, we could afford infrastructure, health care, education, and aid to families.

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garzooma  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:22:07am

re: #533 Shropshire Slasher

Top ten cities for aggressive driving:

New York, New Jersey, I am severely disappointed in you, didn’t make the top ten.
usatoday.com

Neither did Boston. I’m calling shenanigans.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:23:37am

re: #535 garzooma

Neither did Boston. I’m calling shenanigans.

NYC metro: it’s called defensive driving.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:23:55am

re: #533 Shropshire Slasher

Top ten cities for aggressive driving:

New York, New Jersey, I am severely disappointed in you, didn’t make the top ten.
usatoday.com

Detroit drivers are more aggressive than New York? GTFOOH.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:24:26am

re: #523 The Vicious Babushka

I thought the shit-goblin practiced his .sig for better consistency. That one is awfully rough. Who authenticates such trash kitsch.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:24:47am

Still struggling with the flu here. Sleep two hours at the most then have to get up and cough…

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:25:03am

I can literally drive all the way across Ohio and Pennsylvania and then surrender the wheel to Z when we go over the Delaware Water Gap.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:25:43am

re: #539 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still struggling with the flu here. Sleep two hours at the most then have to get up and cough…

Do you have a humidifier?

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:26:05am
The Trump administration is preparing to shutter all 21 international offices of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, a move that could slow the processing of family visa applications, foreign adoptions and citizenship petitions from members of the military.

washingtonpost.com

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:26:27am

re: #535 garzooma

Neither did Boston. I’m calling shenanigans.

Neither did Chicago. You mean The Blues Brothers wasn’t a documentary? I am disappoint!

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:27:20am

Last night, or actually early this morning, I had a dream that I was desperate for a cup of coffee but could not find a single coffee mug in the entire house! I was about to run down the street to Starbucks and then I woke up.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:29:00am

re: #541 Belafon

Do you have a humidifier?

Yes it’s going but steaming in the shower Is working a lot better.

546
The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:30:17am

re: #542 Scottish Dragon

washingtonpost.com

Welp, that takes care of APPLY FOR ASS ISLAND WHILE YOUR STILL IN YOU’RE HOME COUNTRY!!!11!!!!

547
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:32:03am

re: #542 Scottish Dragon

washingtonpost.com

Fucking assholes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:33:54am

re: #547 Eclectic Cyborg

Fucking assholes.

Steven Miller’s fingerprints are all over this.

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jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:36:44am

Better late than never!

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:38:03am

re: #548 Joe Bacon 🌹

Steven Miller’s fingerprints are all over this.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:41:09am

re: #549 jeffreyw

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Better late than never!

Chirp chirps!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:44:11am

re: #549 jeffreyw

Cardinals and Blue Jays. Now all you need are some Orioles and you’ve got the Baseball Trifecta.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:46:54am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Cardinals and Blue Jays. Now all you need are some Orioles and you’ve got the Baseball Trifecta.

Add some Ravens for the football fans.

554
Eventual Carrion  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:47:10am

re: #511 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Then maybe tRump can get his weight down to 238.

555
jeffreyw  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:48:00am

re: #552 Eclectic Cyborg

Cardinals and Blue Jays. Now all you need are some Orioles and you’ve got the Baseball Trifecta.

We had an oriole nest in a walnut tree years ago but no more than fleeting glimpses since.

556
Old Liberal  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:49:03am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

Had them young, had them old. Painful yes. Stress caused mine.

557
Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:50:37am
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wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:52:06am

re: #556 Old Liberal

Had them young, had them old. Painful yes. Stress caused mine.

If you don’t have stress before you have the shingles, the amount you are about to experience makes up for it.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:52:20am
560
KGxvi  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:52:40am

re: #553 Scottish Dragon

Add some Ravens for the football fans.

It’s actually kind of surprising how many professional sports teams are named for birds. Football also has the Falcons and Seahawks. The NBA has the Hawks and Pelicans. The NHL has the Ducks and Penguins.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:55:19am

re: #532 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’ve had it twice in the past couple years mainly as a side effect of Humira depressing my immune system. It is no fun and it is just hell on one side of my body. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. All I can tell you is to get as much rest as you can.

my last outbreak was relatively mild but basically i could not be active more than 3-4 hours per day.

562
KGxvi  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:55:48am

re: #548 Joe Bacon 🌹

Steven Miller’s fingerprints are all over this.

Bold of you to assume he didn’t burn his fingerprints off in order to better collect the skin of hobos for his new suit

563
Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:58:19am

re: #562 KGxvi

Bold of you to assume he didn’t burn his fingerprints off in order to better collect the skin of hobos for his new suit

IT RUBS THE LOTION IN IT’S SKIN!

564
Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:58:46am

My wife had shingles at 29. We had a 7-month old she got hit with flu and then sinus infection just as we were moving half-way across the world in cold December. After getting our apartment in order, she just collapsed in pain: shingles. I remember one of the toughest things was trying to breast feed while keeping the baby clear from infection.

565
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 10:59:46am

re: #564 Barefoot Grin

My wife had shingles at 29. We had a 7-month old she got hit with flu and then sinus infection just as we were moving half-way across the world in cold December. After getting our apartment in order, she just collapsed in pain: shingles. I remember one of the toughest things was trying to breast feed while keeping the baby clear from infection.

That is when a breast pump and bottle are called for…

566
lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:00:17am

Unfu…. nope. Totally fucking believable.

Trump and the FBI (and DOJ) had no problem going after Strzok and Page, but left anti-Clinton people in place, because reasons.

So when the right wing goon squad claims there’s a deep state, take a look in the mirror, because 1) they don’t exist, and 2) the so called deep state is protecting Trump at all costs, including the rule of law and the US constitution because of a vendetta against Clinton and Democrats that extended to the investigations in to Trump’s shenanigans that turned out to be wholly warranted, while investigations into Clinton turned out to be unwarranted but the right wingers demanded to continue ad infinitum.

567
Eventual Carrion  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:01:55am

re: #559 Scottish Dragon

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Really answers the question of “How did these dumb fucks get into that college?”.

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lawhawk  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:04:03am
569
KGxvi  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:05:05am

re: #567 Eventual Carrion

Really answers the question of “How did these dumb fucks get into that college?”.

Reminds me of this:

Yale admissions

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:05:37am

re: #567 Eventual Carrion

Really answers the question of “How did these dumb fucks get into that college?”.

It’s been awhile since I was in college but even then (2003), I remember noticing a distinct difference in the efforts put in by those who were paying their own way (of which I was one) or those whose parents/family were paying for them.

Take a wild guess which group worked harder…

571
Barefoot Grin  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:06:33am

re: #565 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

That is when a breast pump and bottle are called for…

Indeed. I don’t recall why that didn’t come up.

572
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:08:11am

re: #571 Barefoot Grin

Indeed. I don’t recall why that didn’t come up.

Kids automatically depress your effective IQ by at least 15 points ( I know, I raised four of them)

573
Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:11:00am

re: #570 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s been awhile since I was in college but even then (2003), I remember noticing a distinct difference in the efforts put in by those who were paying their own way (of which I was one) or those whose parents/family were paying for them.

Take a wild guess which group worked harder…

as a former university professor, I can confirm this

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:11:23am

re: #562 KGxvi

Bold of you to assume he didn’t burn his fingerprints off in order to better collect the skin of hobos for his new suit

How many sins does Miller have left?

575
wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:13:02am

re: #573 Backwoods_Sleuth

as a former university professor, I can confirm this

Is there anything you haven’t done?

Drive a cab? That was C_L. Or both of you…

576
Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:13:10am

re: #566 lawhawk

Unfu…. nope. Totally fucking believable.

Trump and the FBI (and DOJ) had no problem going after Strzok and Page, but left anti-Clinton people in place, because reasons.

So when the right wing goon squad claims there’s a deep state, take a look in the mirror, because 1) they don’t exist, and 2) the so called deep state is protecting Trump at all costs, including the rule of law and the US constitution because of a vendetta against Clinton and Democrats that extended to the investigations in to Trump’s shenanigans that turned out to be wholly warranted, while investigations into Clinton turned out to be unwarranted but the right wingers demanded to continue ad infinitum.

One of them went in front of cameras in late October.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:14:27am

O_o

578
Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:15:18am

re: #568 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

And they both have magic powers and wield weapons that violate all laws of physics.

Oh, and you can’t seem to kill them even if you cut them in half.

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BeachDem  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:15:28am

re: #559 Scottish Dragon

[Embedded content]

I don’t understand why just Felicity Huffman and not her spouse, William H. Macy, was named in the complaint, as he is mentioned (only as “spouse”) as having participated in the scheme and is on some of the recordings.

(Huffman section starts on page 72)

justice.gov

edited to remove not—she was named, he was not

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:16:08am

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

[Embedded content]

The same people defending Tucker “raping kids is funny” Carlsen.

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Belafon  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:16:09am

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

They might not want his apology.

582
wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:16:40am

re: #577 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

[Embedded content]

Institutions never recognize that being laughed at is an improvement.

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CleverToad  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:26:16am

re: #493 Smith25’s Liberal Thighs

Saying this to not sound disrespectful to those that are older than me(I’m 39)

I went to the Doctor last week-I have shingles. I thought only old people got it.//

Pretty ‘effin painful.

Ouuuuchh!! Yeah, they are NASTY — so sorry to hear you got hit, and got hit so young. I got ‘em when I was 50 but fortunately a mild case (optic nerve, which was scary). I”m waiting anxiously to get my second dose of the new shingles vaccine and hope it wards off a recurrence.

584
wrenchwench  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:34:27am

re: #583 CleverToad

Ouuuuchh!! Yeah, they are NASTY — so sorry to hear you got hit, and got hit so young. I got ‘em when I was 50 but fortunately a mild case (optic nerve, which was scary). I”m waiting anxiously to get my second dose of the new shingles vaccine and hope it wards off a recurrence.

There’s a second one? I must have gotten the old one. Does Terry Bradshaw spokesmodel for both of them?

585
The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:42:06am

re: #584 wrenchwench

There’s a second one? I must have gotten the old one. Does Terry Bradshaw spokesmodel for both of them?

The new one is supposed to be much more effective, but it’s also expensive. I could get the old one for free and have been meaning to for years, but haven’t. Decisions, decisions….

586
CleverToad  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:42:19am

re: #584 wrenchwench

There’s a second one? I must have gotten the old one. Does Terry Bradshaw spokesmodel for both of them?

The new one (Shingrix) came out recently, I think 2017, and is supposed to have a 90% effective rate, much higher than the earlier version. Two doses required within 2-6 months of each other, but there’s currently a major shortage so I couldn’t get an appt for the second dose till the end of May.

Go for it when you can get it.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 12, 2019 • 11:59:07am

re: #560 KGxvi

It’s actually kind of surprising how many professional sports teams are named for birds. Football also has the Falcons and Seahawks. The NBA has the Hawks and Pelicans. The NHL has the Ducks and Penguins.

Montreal has the Alouettes.


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