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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:25:50pm

Update from last threads breaking news of Alt-Right Terrorism:

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ozharas  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:30:50pm

‘No one in NZ must go to a mosque under any circumstances,’ says police commissioner

Police commissioner Mike Bush has warned: “No one in the country must go to a mosque under any circumstances.”

It appears the bastard is Australian. New Zealand is our closest ally and friend, and this will be a dark day in Australia as well.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:31:43pm

re: #2 ozharas

‘No one in NZ must go to a mosque under any circumstances,’ says police commissioner

Police commissioner Mike Bush has warned: “No one in the country must go to a mosque under any circumstances.”

It appears the bastard is Australian. New Zealand is our closest ally and friend, and this will be a dark day in Australia as well.

Could also be a mythomaniac, claiming whatever heritage that seems sexy at the time.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:33:39pm

re: #3 Teukka

Could also be a mythomaniac, claiming whatever heritage that seems sexy at the time.

I mean, it is not unheard of this kind of people having all sort of fantasies, such as being member of a “New PCCTS”, like Fjotolf Hansen (a.k.a. Andrew Berwick, a.k.a. Anders Behring Breivik).

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:34:48pm

Shooter used semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines. Aren’t those difficult to acquire in that part of the world?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:35:42pm

Hey Republicans who didn’t vote for the resolution condemning hatred, fuck you very much.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:45:32pm
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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:46:06pm

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:47:33pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Shooter used semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines. Aren’t those difficult to acquire in that part of the world?

Difficult, but not impossible.

As I recall, Breivik travelled to Czech Republic in an attempt to acquire weaponry for his attack. The local organized crime groups dismissed him, figuring (correctly, it turned out) that he had some malicious reasons behind him (that’s what was reported in the Czech media after the attack); one member of a Czech organized crime gang was said to have told the police something to the effect that they figured “something wasn’t right with this guy (Breivik)”.

It’s been speculated that Breivik probably let slip what he was planning to do and the local organized crime groups didn’t want to end up connected to a massacre as of course, that brings the heat down on them.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:49:30pm

re: #9 Dr Lizardo

Difficult, but not impossible.

As I recall, Breivik travelled to Czech Republic in an attempt to acquire weaponry for his attack. The local organized crime groups dismissed him, figuring (correctly, it turned out) that he had some malicious reasons behind him (that’s what was reported in the Czech media after the attack); one member of a Czech organized crime gang was said to have told the police something to the effect that they figured “something wasn’t right with this guy (Breivik)”.

It’s been speculated that Breivik probably let slip what he was planning to do and the local organized crime groups didn’t want to end up connected to a massacre as of course, that brings the heat down on them.

And there is an ugly specter lurking. There have been some sources saying that Breivik attended an rightoid training camp in Byelorussia or the Russian Federation. And there is some organization which to this day hold such training camps in the area.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:52:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:53:07pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

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Too many.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:58:05pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Too many.

27† so far. :’(

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MsJ  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:58:09pm

Shaun King and all…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 8:59:41pm

re: #14 MsJ

Shaun King and all…

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Which means Trump will offer lukewarm condemnation if any at all.

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MsJ  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:00:08pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Which means Trump will offer lukewarm condemnation if any at all.

If that.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:01:04pm

re: #7 teleskiguy

I assume the Post is the local paper with a conservative editorial board?

On another note… I find it interesting that endorsements of Republicans still include a bit about “ideas”. I think the conservative movement is at the same place the liberal movement was in the mid to lates 70s - wholly without ideas to face the challenges of the moment (and instead offering mostly the same solutions that they had for decades). The progressive/liberal movement seems to have ideas and policies to face the challenges of today. The conservative movement hasn’t had a new idea in a solid 15 years.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:01:20pm

re: #16 MsJ

If that.

It’s not going to comfort the victims’ loved ones for sure.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:02:28pm

re: #17 KGxvi

I assume the Post is the local paper with a conservative editorial board?

On another note… I find it interesting that endorsements of Republicans still include a bit about “ideas”. I think the conservative movement is at the same place the liberal movement was in the mid to lates 70s - wholly without ideas to face the challenges of the moment (and instead offering mostly the same solutions that they had for decades). The progressive/liberal movement seems to have ideas and policies to face the challenges of today. The conservative movement hasn’t had a new idea in a solid 15 years.

To me anyhow, the conservative movement refuses to acknowledge that we live in the 21st century. That at the core is heart of their problems.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:03:18pm

re: #14 MsJ

He may not be racist but the racists seem to think Trump is on his side

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:03:50pm

re: #17 KGxvi

The Denver Post actually has a very center-left editorial board, the Gardner endorsement was perplexing for many. They lost many subscriptions in those days, especially in the Denver area.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:04:16pm

re: #20 KGxvi

He may not be racist but the racists seem to think Trump is on his side

It’s quite telling.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:04:43pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

To me anyhow, the conservative movement refuses to acknowledge that we live in the 21st century. That at the core is heart of their problems.

It’s basically this: on domestic issues, it’s still 1978; on foreign policy it’s still September 12, 2001

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:05:04pm

re: #10 Teukka

And there is an ugly specter lurking. There have been some sources saying that Breivik attended an rightoid training camp in Byelorussia or the Russian Federation. And there is some organization which to this day hold such training camps in the area.

It’s been reported here that Czech extremists have attended such “training camps” in the Russian-occupied Donbas region of Ukraine.

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Jay C  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:05:07pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

To me anyhow, the conservative movement refuses to acknowledge that we live in the 21st century. That at the core is heart of their problems.

Not surprising: the movement never really adjusted to living in the 20th Century, either. And they haven’t done much catching up…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:05:19pm

re: #21 teleskiguy

The Denver Post actually has a very center-left editorial board, the Gardner endorsement was perplexing for many. They lost many subscriptions in those days, especially in the Denver area.

Who’s the likely nominee against Gardner since Hickenlooper is running for potus.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:06:13pm

re: #11 teleskiguy

How many more tragedies like #Christchurch do we need before we recognize this is the inevitable consequence of Islamphobia, racism, race - baiting, fearmongering & demonising refugees & immigrants by politicians & Murdoch media. This is the human cost, we must learn from it.

Murdoch infects everything he touches; but this evil existed before Murdoch. After all, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and the WSJ editorial page were at work before Murdoch became a major player here.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:06:47pm

re: #14 MsJ

Shaun King and all…

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Confirmed with reading the alt-right terrorists* manifesto. Legit.

re: #15 HappyWarrior

Which means Trump will offer lukewarm condemnation if any at all.

re: #16 MsJ

If that.

10 fucking 4. :’(

*: Refer to him as “alt-right terrorist”, what he did as “alt-right terrorism”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:07:19pm

re: #25 Jay C

Not surprising: the movement never really adjusted to living in the 20th Century, either. And they haven’t done much catching up…

Yeah. I mean I get that respect for some traditions isn’t bad but conservatives right now think it’s still 1950 and every left winger is a commie. But to be blunt, they’ve gotten worse. There’s no excuse for their party being more socially right wing than Ford and Goldwater were into their 90’s.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:07:52pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Who’s the likely nominee against Gardner since Hickenlooper is running for potus.

Eight candidates have declared a candidacy so far, with 11 others thinking about it. Get back to me next fall.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:08:44pm

re: #27 Hecuba’s daughter

Murdoch infects everything he touches; but this evil existed before Murdoch. After all, Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, and the WSJ editorial page were at work before Murdoch became a major player here.

Uh Murdoch is Australian. He would definitely have impacted NZ wingnuts earlier than Coulter, Limbaugh, & the WSJ ed board.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:08:59pm

re: #30 teleskiguy

Eight candidates have declared a candidacy so far, with 11 others thinking about it. Get back to me next fall.

Oh wow.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:10:10pm

Jason Chatfield

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plansbandc  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:10:50pm

There’s no way in hell I would watch any of that video. To me, that’s doing precisely what the terrorists want.

The violence just never stops.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:10:56pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Uh Murdoch is Australian. He would definitely have impacted NZ wingnuts earlier than Coulter, Limbaugh, & the WSJ ed board.

Good point! — he was poisoning Australia before he came here. I was thinking too much in a US centric point of view.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:11:43pm

re: #32 HappyWarrior

Oh wow.

Democrats have a deep bench this next cycle, including down-ballot, my dude.

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austin_blue  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:11:54pm

I made my point on the previous thread. What happened in NZ has direct relevance to the gun control debate in this country.

We are, as a nation, are fundamentally insane in how we relate to firearms in our society. Back in the day, we had shotguns and rifles to shoot food.

Now, we accept a weapon that was used to kill innocent worshippers in a mosque in New Zealand as normal. And a Temple in Pittsburgh.

I’m off to bed. This must stop.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:11:56pm

I’m old enough to remember pro choice Republicans. Now you’ve got Republicans who oppose all legal choice. You had Republicans who saw that Planned Parenthood had a place in society. Now you have these guys who think PP is Dr. Mengele and even though I doubt Trump cares who fucks who really unlike Mother’s husband, his cabinet is full of people who want to make LGBT people the “other.” And climate change.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:12:57pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

“Both sides”.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:13:20pm

re: #20 KGxvi

He may not be racist but the racists seem to think Trump is on his side

Trump is undoubtedly racist and has been so from the 70s when he refused to rent to people of color.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:13:36pm

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

Good point! — he was poisoning Australia before he came here. I was thinking too much in a US centric point of view.

He bought his first NZ newspaper in 1964

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:13:44pm

re: #35 Hecuba’s daughter

Good point! — he was poisoning Australia before he came here. I was thinking too much in a US centric point of view.

And remember Murdoch formed Fox in the Clinton years. Coulter was around before then but she didn’t really become a household name until W was President and if memory serves, the WSJ Ed board began going hard right when Rupert bought em. True about Rush tho.

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freetoken  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:13:55pm

America’s shitheads will always be shitheads:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:14:04pm

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

Trump is undoubtedly racist and has been so from the 70s when he refused to rent to people of color.

It’s the Andrew Gillum line. :)

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:15:44pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I’m old enough to remember pro choice Republicans. Now you’ve got Republicans who oppose all legal choice. You had Republicans who saw that Planned Parenthood had a place in society. Now you have these guys who think PP is Dr. Mengele and even though I doubt Trump cares who fucks who really unlike Mother’s husband, his cabinet is full of people who want to make LGBT people the “other.” And climate change.

I’m trying to think of who the last high profile prochoice Republican was. Arnold in California? And Christie Todd Whitman? Is there anyone else?

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:16:48pm

re: #43 freetoken

She really thinks that the Covington creep will win his nonsensical lawsuits? Lol

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:17:03pm

re: #43 freetoken

America’s shitheads will always be shitheads:

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No one is blaming you but you sure as shit deserved that Nazi line considering you literally said that Hitler was fine until he invaded Poland and totally ignored other things that the Nazis did before they invaded Poland like opening Dachau, the Night of Long Knives, and Kristallnacht among other things. Please Candece, for your sake, find a new fucking line of work, your opinions are shit. You’re nothing but an opportunist hack just like your pal Charlie Kirk and the other misfit children at Turning Points USA who can’t find honest work so they become the little right wing propagandists of our generation.

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De Kolta Chair  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:17:21pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I grew up with those morans myself. FreeDumb!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:17:31pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I’m trying to think of who the last high profile prochoice Republican was. Arnold in California? And Christie Todd Whitman? Is there anyone else?

Rudy.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:17:57pm

re: #43 freetoken

Wonder why anyone would ever concluded Candace had anything to do with this. It’s such a puzzle…
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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:18:03pm

re: #46 Patricia Kayden

She really thinks that the Covington creep will win his nonsensical lawsuits? Lol

She really has no idea how the law works which is why she hangs out with Charlie Kirk who knows even less.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:18:46pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

Rudy.

Did Rudy stay pro-choice when he ran for president in 2012?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:19:05pm

I think the suspect they have could be him. Just like Anders, he wanted to be taken alive for the show trial. Then he can inspire more to act.

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sagehen  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:19:47pm

re: #45 KGxvi

I’m trying to think of who the last high profile prochoice Republican was. Arnold in California? And Christie Todd Whitman? Is there anyone else?

It depends on whether you think of Bloomberg as Republican or “Republican”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:20:12pm

re: #50 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Now if Candece instead of being a raging right wing hack could actually look at herself and wonder why she would have inspired someone to do this, she could see why her name will be brought up but nah she’s too full of herself. Got news for you Candece, your right wing friends will abandon you and you will be begging anyone to listen to you. The same thing will happen with Charlie and it will even happen to Ben Shapiro when his act isn’t helping your paymasters anymore.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:20:16pm

re: #50 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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Posted on her thread. Let’s see how long before I get a block…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:20:52pm

re: #52 KGxvi

Did Rudy stay pro-choice when he ran for president in 2012?

I’m not sure since his campaign really never took off. I think he tried to moderate on it.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:21:23pm

re: #43 freetoken

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:21:47pm

re: #57 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure since his campaign really never took off. I think he tried to moderate on it.

Yeah, I’m guessing he did the “personally I’m pro life but on policy blah blah blah” thing

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:22:28pm

You know, these acts of mass violence keep on happening and it’s not the left of ANTIFA doing it. The worst that lefties do the right wingers is making the prominent ones feel uncomfortable when they’re eating dinner.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:24:28pm

re: #50 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

“the extreme actions she calls for are too much”

WTH?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:25:11pm

re: #59 KGxvi

Yeah, I’m guessing he did the “personally I’m pro life but on policy blah blah blah” thing

TBF I think a lot of Catholic Democrats used to do that and I suspect that still may be how prominent Democratic Catholic men like Tim Kaine and Bob Casey feel. TBH my position on choice is pretty simple. I’m a man. I’m not going to be carrying around a child. I won’t judge a woman for a choice she makes with her own body but I do want to reduce abortions by reducing unwanted pregnancies in the first place and we do that by encouraging birth control and not slut shaming women who do get pregnant. And we also don’t act like rapists are doing a “good thing” by getting women pregnant. Children are great. I love my niece dearly but I would never want to force my SiL or my niece when she’s older to carry her pregnancy and that’s what dipshits on the right will never get.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:28:34pm

This asshole was spewing memes while he murdered, Silicon Valley has helped create an entire generation of disaffected psychopathic fuckwits.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:30:16pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

This asshole was spewing memes while he murdered, Silicon Valley has helped create an entire generation of disaffected psychopathic fuckwits.

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I’m a gamer who hates gamer culture. Gamer culture is full of toxic douchebags who think they’re special since they happened to have white parents and they happened to get their Daddy’s Y chromosome.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:30:17pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

This asshole was spewing memes while he murdered, Silicon Valley has helped create an entire generation of disaffected psychopathic fuckwits.

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Social media didn’t create them, it just gave them a platform and a “chance to go out with a bang”

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:30:50pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

And remember Murdoch formed Fox in the Clinton years. Coulter was around before then but she didn’t really become a household name until W was President and if memory serves, the WSJ Ed board began going hard right when Rupert bought em. True about Rush tho.

The WSJ editorial columns were to the right of Attila the Hun years before the Murdoch purchase in 2007. Their unrelenting dishonest attacks against Clinton and Dukakis before then were a disgrace.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:31:05pm

From downstairs:

re: #172 austin_blue

Australia, after the Tasmanian shooting, shut down the ownership of battle rifles. Isn’t it time your country did to?

We do. The provenance of the weapons involved is going to be a very hot topic.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:31:41pm

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

The WSJ editorial columns were to the right of Attila the Hun years before the Murdoch purchase in 2007. Their unrelenting dishonest attacks against Clinton and Dukakis before then were a disgrace.

Oh I’m way off then. I thought Rupert bought them long before then. Lo siento.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:32:48pm

re: #65 KGxvi

Social media didn’t create them, it just gave them a platform and a “chance to go out with a bang”

What it has done though is given them a platform but it’s also given us ours too. That’s the conflict with social media I feel. That said though, there is something to say about this subculture.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:32:57pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I just hate the qualifier. I get that it’s a complicated and personal/moral issue for a lot of people, which is why I don’t care what someone would do in their personal life. I care about the policy.

Just like I don’t care if you wouldn’t ride a motorcycle, I just don’t want you trying to make them illegal

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:33:39pm

re: #70 KGxvi

I just hate the qualifier. I get that it’s a complicated and personal/moral issue for a lot of people, which is why I don’t care what someone would do in their personal life. I care about the policy.

Just like I don’t care if you wouldn’t ride a motorcycle, I just don’t want you trying to make them illegal

Yeah true. And frankly, I think YouTube is great and I take the minority opinion here on FB.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:36:13pm

re: #5 teleskiguy

Shooter used semi-automatic rifles with high capacity magazines. Aren’t those difficult to acquire in that part of the world?

Yes. i.stuff.co.nz

Four offenders in custody. Four. Shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:37:02pm

re: #43 freetoken

America’s shitheads will always be shitheads:

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One. Evil. CENSORED.

Karma is going to get that CENSORED for the hate she spreads.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:37:32pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

Yeah true. And frankly, I think YouTube is great and I take the minority opinion here on FB.

I had a blog when I was in law school back in the early/mid aughts. I remember when comments became a thing. They made a lot of places worse, and I remember a lot of the bigger bloggers opting to not to introduce them on their blogs. Pretty much any place that didn’t have strong moderators basically became Mos Isley

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:37:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:38:09pm

TBH as probably the youngest lizard. It all has me a little worried about a lot of my generation. I really had naively thought at one point that maybe we’d be better. Yeah I know we had our flaws but I really thought we could really kick things in the right direction. I’m sad to say I no longer feel that way. I find myself wondering about my niece and the younger children of my cousins. My niece is aware of her multicultural background. Yesterday was her birthday and she tried teaching my Grandmother “Feliz Cumpleanos”. I hope that’s how her world becomes. Not that we deny our differences. I’ve never liked people who try to tell you “I’m colorblind.” I try to be color and culturally aware which is why I like educating myself about other cultures and people.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:38:56pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Sky News is a Murdoch outfit isn’t it??

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:39:12pm

re: #77 Eclectic Cyborg

Sky News is a Murdoch outfit isn’t it??

Mhmmm.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:40:17pm

re: #74 KGxvi

I had a blog when I was in law school back in the early/mid aughts. I remember when comments became a thing. They made a lot of places worse, and I remember a lot of the bigger bloggers opting to not to introduce them on their blogs. Pretty much any place that didn’t have strong moderators basically became Mos Isley

Absolutely. And you know what, it’s such a shame because I think it could really be a great thing. Here I am chatting with you across the continent. I’m able to chat with my friends and family all around the world on FB. I love that but I also know that same technology can connect assohles too in ways they never were before but telephones and TV and radio did the same thing last century.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:40:29pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

If it was a Muslim who went into a church, would she be saying the same thing and excusing his murderous rampage? Why is she ignoring his manifesto?

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MsJ  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:41:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:41:59pm

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

If it was a Muslim who went into a church, would she be saying the same thing and excusing his mutderous rampage? Why is she ignoring his manifesto?

Because Owens is a heartless CENSORED.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:42:58pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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Marginalized my ass. The fascist fuck had a fascist symbol for a Romanian fascist movement. This is definitely the result of anti-immigrant sentiments. To deny it is cowardice at best and acceptance at worst. She can kiss my ass. I am tired of fucking whiny white people who don’t realize that the world is for all of us. Your ancestors weren’t originally in New Zealand or the US. They came there too looking for a better life. There’s no real difference between my family’s story and today’s immigrants outside the time period of when they’re moving.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:43:24pm

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

If it was a Muslim who went into a church, would she be saying the same thing and excusing his murderous rampage? Why is she ignoring his manifesto?

Because she’s a right wing coward who refuses to ever admit that conservatism can contribute to terrible things.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:43:45pm

re: #65 KGxvi

Social media didn’t create them, it just gave them a platform and a “chance to go out with a bang”

I listened to Kara Swisher’s interview with Susan Wojcicki (CEO of Youtube) a couple days ago and she made what I thought was a really good point:

But it was sort of like, I was sort of like, it feels like, as I said, I think you’ve heard me say this, it feels like all you tech companies have built cities, these beautiful cities, but you decided not to initially put in police, fire, garbage, street signs, and stuff like that, and so it feels like The Purge every night.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:43:49pm

re: #82 Joe Bacon 🌹

Because Owens is a heartless CENSORED.

That’s not Candece Owens. That’s another moron.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:45:00pm

re: #72 Grunthos the Flatulent

Four offenders in custody. Four. Shit.

Fuckin’ fuck.

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Citizen K  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:45:08pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

And remember Murdoch formed Fox in the Clinton years. Coulter was around before then but she didn’t really become a household name until W was President and if memory serves, the WSJ Ed board began going hard right when Rupert bought em. True about Rush tho.

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

The WSJ editorial columns were to the right of Attila the Hun years before the Murdoch purchase in 2007. Their unrelenting dishonest attacks against Clinton and Dukakis before then were a disgrace.

It was the actual news arm of the WSJ that was respectable before Murdoch bought them out and turned it into just another propaganda organ overall. The editorial board was always a right-wing nuthouse.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:45:13pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

I listed to Kara Swisher’s interview with Susan Wojcicki (CEO of Youtube) a couple days ago and she made what I thought was a really good point:

The lack of moderation is a serious problem and it frankly is why we have so many idiots who think being moderated is ATTACKING MAH FREE PEACH. I can’t tell you all how many YouTube comments I read about something as innocent as a musical video will turn into some right wing asshole going on off on Jews, Muslims, immigrants, or whatever.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:45:29pm

re: #88 Citizen K

It was the actual news arm of the WSJ that was respectable before Murdoch bought them out and turned it into just another propaganda organ overall. The editorial board was always a right-wing nuthouse.

Danke. My mistake.

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Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:45:36pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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Ah, the “oppressed minority” angle already?

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:46:09pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

Absolutely. And you know what, it’s such a shame because I think it could really be a great thing. Here I am chatting with you across the continent. I’m able to chat with my friends and family all around the world on FB. I love that but I also know that same technology can connect assohles too in ways they never were before but telephones and TV and radio did the same thing last century.

There’s a lot of aspects to the terribleness of comment sections. The fact that they’re mostly anonymous, that they’re mostly ignored, and that there’s rarely real world consequences to being an asshole online.

As far as connecting terrible people, just remember that they are still the outliers. Most people are good and decent. They might be a bit too caught up in their own problems, but they’re not actively seeking to make the world a worse place. Reactionaries rarely have staying power (because they rarely have answers), and I believe they may have already not only reached their zeineth but are already beginning to ebb

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:46:37pm

re: #80 Patricia Kayden

If it was a Muslim who went into a church, would she be saying the same thing and excusing his murderous rampage? Why is she ignoring his manifesto?

She is trying to take preemptive action to prevent any association with this crime. The Covington suit does show that the Covington children are being raised as dishonest entitled thugs. Candace must be considered in the same category. Instead of expressing her horror at the crime, she threatens a lawsuit. It is impossible to be a decent human being and to be a full-fledged member of the Trump-supporting clan.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:46:41pm

There’s too much fucking hate in this world, man.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:47:06pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

Ah, the “oppressed minority” angle already?

Poor whitey doesn’t like that politicians tell him that it’s not just his country anymore. I really have no sympathy for this shit. It was never “your” country. It’s always been “our” country whether that’s here in the US, New Zealand, Norway, or whatever. Right wingers love to rage about identity politics but they are the biggest practitioners of it when it comes to this shit.

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Citizen K  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:47:29pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

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You know who is marginalized?

People who get routinely targeted for slaughter just for their identity, religion, etc.

All the ‘fuck off’ to you and Sky News, lady.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:47:37pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s too much fucking hate in world, man.

Testify brother… TESTIFY!

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:48:07pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Like when you play sim city or civilization and just decide to fuck shit up because you can

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Sionainn, Warrior Mother  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:48:10pm

My sister is not taking this well. She’s Muslim.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:48:39pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

I listed to Kara Swisher’s interview with Susan Wojcicki (CEO of Youtube) a couple days ago and she made what I thought was a really good point:

But it was sort of like, I was sort of like, it feels like, as I said, I think you’ve heard me say this, it feels like all you tech companies have built cities, these beautiful cities, but you decided not to initially put in police, fire, garbage, street signs, and stuff like that, and so it feels like The Purge every night.

Why, she’s practically on par with Bertrand Russell. ///

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:49:10pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s too much fucking hate in world, man.

John Coffey: I’m tired, boss. Tired of being on the road, lonely as a sparrow in the rain. I’m tired of never having a buddy to be with, to tell me where we’s going to, coming from or why. Mostly, I’m tired of people being ugly to each other. I’m tired of all the pain I feel and hear in the world every day. There’s too much of it. It’s like pieces of glass in my head, all the time… Can you understand?”

20 years later that movie still gets to me whether it’s the DP and the possibility of executing an innocent or how Coffey got how cruel the world could be to each other. It amazes me that Stephen King of all people could articulate that better than any other writer I saw through the mouth of John Coffey.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:50:04pm

re: #96 Citizen K

You know who is marginalized?

People who get routinely targeted for slaughter just for their identity, religion, etc.

All the ‘fuck off’ to you and Sky News, lady.

Exactly. I’m a white man. No one in the MSM questions my culture when something like this happens but non white people don’t get that luxury. We’re allowed to be individuals. PoC and non nominally Christian people aren’t allowed to be individuals.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:51:08pm

re: #98 KGxvi

Like when you play sim city or civilization and just decide to fuck shit up because you can

I do like to do that in GTA but I realize two things) I’d never dream of doing that IRL and it’s just a way of blowing off steam.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:52:43pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

Shit heaps are a major part of the business model. They’re repeat customers with low fucking standards.

Like if that city *coincidentally* had a lot of Purge-adjacent apartments that happen to have blood and semen stain proofing on all surfaces and you get a free knife rack with a one-year lease.

Everybody’s experimenting with some new kind of psychopathic leech capitalism where you specifically make shit worse so you can sell scrap metal for shank-making.

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Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:52:46pm

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

I listened to Kara Swisher’s interview with Susan Wojcicki (CEO of Youtube) a couple days ago and she made what I thought was a really good point:

It’s the SimCity problem: You had people who tried to maximize profit and maximum traffic such that they created a toxic stew, then tried to put in police and firemen only after everything had gone to shit. Worse, they did the classic corporate mistake: They overcompensated for that initial lawlessness by clamping down in such a fashion that those who’d been following the rules (what there were) and trying to promote a healthy community got clubbed over the head right next to the trolls and either left for greener pastures or scaled back their involvement in said community.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:55:38pm

re: #104 The Ghost of Quesos Past

There’s also a definite, “if you don’t say No enough, I get to fuck you” edge to the social contract these people operate on. Well beyond the standard” ask forgiveness not permission.”

Habitual line-stepping is a deliberate economic strategy, from individual Youtubers to fuckin’ massive corporations.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:58:08pm

re: #106 The Ghost of Quesos Past

There’s also a definite, “if you don’t say No enough, I get to fuck you” edge to the social contract these people operate on. Well beyond the standard” ask forgiveness not permission.”

Habitual line-stepping is a deliberate economic strategy, from individual Youtubers to fuckin’ massive corporations.

It’s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission. It’s even better to get away with it enough times that you can claim it’s the norm

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:59:48pm

Just got home and I don’t want to turn the 6:00 news on.

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Citizen K  Mar 14, 2019 • 9:59:50pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

It’s the SimCity problem: You had people who tried to maximize profit and maximum traffic such that they created a toxic stew, then tried to put in police and firemen only after everything had gone to shit. Worse, they did the classic corporate mistake: They overcompensated for that initial lawlessness by clamping down in such a fashion that those who’d been following the rules (what there were) and trying to promote a healthy community got clubbed over the head right next to the trolls and either left for greener pastures or scaled back their involvement in said community.

Except in practice, it’s usually those following the rules that get fucked and the trolls and folks exploiting the Wild West just move on to their next atrocities, exploiting the benefit of the doubt they had extended to them before. It’s bracingly rare that you get comeuppance in the vein of Alex Jones’ deplatforming, and that took how many years of verifiable harassment and incitement?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:01:30pm

I mean yeah guys I curse wingnuts here. I do. I really do but I realize that the vast majority of the world I co-exist with. I don’t want the conservatives out there to suffer. I just man wish they realize that they’re being pinheads. But I don’t want bad things to befall them or their families. In fact, I’d like my ideal policies to open their world up. I never would dream of going to CPAC or any of those other frankly pathetic right wing conferences and shooting one up. Death is death. You can’t take it back and it’s not in my nature to hurt people. I get angry, yes. But anger is a normal human emotion that can be taken back. You can’t take back death. People are dead tonight in Christchurch due to hate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:01:56pm

Still fighting off this CENSORED pneumonia. Did followup with Dr Thursday morning and have to go back to Kaiser Friday morning for more test.

Haven’t been this sick since 1990.

Trying to put myself in recharge mode and hoping I can sleep more than 90 minutes tonight…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:02:59pm

re: #109 Citizen K

Except in practice, it’s usually those following the rules that get fucked and the trolls and folks exploiting the Wild West just move on to their next atrocities, exploiting the benefit of the doubt they had extended to them before. It’s bracingly rare that you get comeuppance in the vein of Alex Jones’ deplatforming, and that took how many years of verifiable harassment and incitement?

I really want Alex Jones to be forced to find a living that isn’t shilling hatred and paranoia to millions of people. I don’t want him homeless but I do want him to realize that it’s not lucrative to do what he’s been doing for the past 20 plus years.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:04:28pm

re: #81 MsJ

She should be horrified that a murderous White Supremacist claimed that he was inspired by HER. That should give her pause in regard to the hate she so freely spews.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:04:49pm

The real problem of course is that they weren’t creating cities at all, they were creating crocodile farms. The population is the product.

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teleskiguy  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:05:42pm

re: #108 Grunthos the Flatulent

Just got home and I don’t want to turn the 6:00 news on.

You can listen to this rock band from Arizona if you want. They’re dexterous.

Todd’s Tots

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Citizen K  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:06:19pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

She should be horrified that a murderous White Supremacist claimed that he was inspired by HER. That should give her pause in regard to the hate she so freely spews.

This presumes a moral center on her part, sadly.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:06:37pm

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I really want Alex Jones to be forced to find a living that isn’t shilling hatred and paranoia to millions of people. I don’t want him homeless but I do want him to realize that it’s not lucrative to do what he’s been doing for the past 20 plus years.

Assistant Night Shift Manager-in-Training at his local Taco Bell.

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Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:06:45pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

The real problem of course is that they weren’t creating cities at all, they were creating crocodile farms. The population is the product.

They created cities, but the problem is that the cities were really a reflection of their architects. Hence why Twitter seems to be enticed with the smell of its own farts while Facebook is a sociopathic entity that views your privacy as an impediment to its profits.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:06:57pm

re: #113 Patricia Kayden

She should be horrified that a murderous White Supremacist claimed that he was inspired by HER. That should give her pause in regard to the hate she so freely spews.

Introspection isn’t in her vocabulary. She has no idea why her Nazi comments were stupid if not minimizing the evils of the Third Reich. Candace should really try reading a book instead of the right wing propaganda she spreads.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:07:22pm

re: #117 Dr Lizardo

Assistant Night Shift Manager-in-Training at his local Taco Bell.

Yeah. Perfect.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:10:38pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

I’m a gamer who hates gamer culture. Gamer culture is full of toxic douchebags who think they’re special since they happened to have white parents and they happened to get their Daddy’s Y chromosome.

My son and daughter (both in their 20s) are keen gamers, as am I, and there’s not one of us with an iota of time for those noxious shits. There’s a whole lot of us out there. Take heart.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:12:33pm

I don’t need us to deny our differences. I want us to realize our differences help make the world a fascinating place. It’s a world of gosh I don’t know how many languages. A world of music of all kinds and foods too. And yet through it all, we are all humans too. I couldn’t be a Muslim but you know what, if that spiritual path suits you and you can acknowledge my and others right to pursue our own journeys, no problem. If you’re not from my country? Well there was a time when someone with my last name was a newcomer too.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:13:11pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

“Let’s network all the narcissists, paranoids, and psychopaths.”

Right up there with “let’s make great white sharks smarter and socially-organized.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:13:12pm

re: #121 Grunthos the Flatulent

My son and daughter (both in their 20s) are keen gamers, as am I, and there’s not one of us with an iota of time for those noxious shits. There’s a whole lot of us out there. Take heart.

Individual gamers are fine. The culture tho otoh. Thanks tho.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:13:48pm

In regards to the NZ mosque shooting, a total of four people have now been arrested.

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Citizen K  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:16:19pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

I don’t need us to deny our differences. I want us to realize our differences help make the world a fascinating place. It’s a world of gosh I don’t know how many languages. A world of music of all kinds and foods too. And yet through it all, we are all humans too. I couldn’t be a Muslim but you know what, if that spiritual path suits you and you can acknowledge my and others right to pursue our own journeys, no problem. If you’re not from my country? Well there was a time when someone with my last name was a newcomer too.

We as humans are defined by differences more than similarities. That’s the exact point of why ‘colorblind’ policies don’t work. Celebrating differences rather than trying to pretend they don’t exist is how you actually get people and peoples accepted.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:17:59pm

re: #125 Dr Lizardo

In regards to the NZ mosque shooting, a total of four people have now been arrested.

Police comments make me think they’ve identified some sort of affiliation that the suspects have, and will be moving on others.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:19:04pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Individual gamers are fine. The culture tho otoh. Thanks tho.

Internet culture leans toward hyperbole, performative negativity, and gatekeeping as people get more and more bunkered into viewing their interests as their identity. Hence basically everything fannish on the internet having the same fucking toxic shit happen.

Same Skinner box, shaping the rats to shit themselves and roll in it with slightly different stimuli.

Only solution is for everyone to say “fuck this, this is a Skinner box” but too many people think their pellet ration is special and richly deserved.

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mmmirele  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:19:35pm

re: #99 Sionainn, Warrior Mother

My sister is not taking this well. She’s Muslim.

I’m not taking this well…because this doesn’t appear to be a lone gunman, and we still have to get through Friday prayer here in the USA. I’m hoping it’s just that my tinfoil hat is screwed on too tightly but I am concerned!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:19:40pm

I was very tired when I got in and fell asleep for a few hours. Now, I wake up to find that Trump’s stochastic terrorism has apparently spread to one of the last places in the world where I would have expected it.
It is especially shocking to see that there have been 4 arrests and Kiwi police have not ruled out that there might be more. They might just be accomplices the cops have rounded up, but 2 different locations in about the same time-frame suggests that they might be active perpetrators. If so, this is a major escalation in RWNJ violence, almost unprecedented.

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KGxvi  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:20:04pm

re: #123 The Ghost of Quesos Past

“Let’s network all the narcissists, paranoids, and psychopaths.”

Right up there with “let’s make great white sharks smarter and socially-organized.”

Don’t forget the friggin laser beams on their heads

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HappyWarrior  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:20:44pm

re: #126 Citizen K

We as humans are defined by differences more than similarities. That’s the exact point of why ‘colorblind’ policies don’t work. Celebrating differences rather than trying to pretend they don’t exist is how you actually get people and peoples accepted.

Exactly. But yeah brings to mind BWS and me explaining some Irish to VB earlier since she was curious about the pronouncing of Taoiseach. Just as she has explained some Jewish cultural stuff to me. That’s why I admired Anthony Bourdain. He liked learning about new cultures. We need more people like that in our world.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:22:30pm

re: #127 Grunthos the Flatulent

Police comments make me think they’ve identified some sort of affiliation that the suspects have, and will be moving on others.

And I would not be surprised if they call on help from ICPO. Let’s hope these perps were sloppy enough to leave enough evidence to really begin unraveling a network.

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Targetpractice  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:25:33pm

re: #128 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Internet culture leans toward hyperbole, performative negativity, and gatekeeping as people get more and more bunkered into viewing their interests as their identity. Hence basically everything fannish on the internet having the same fucking toxic shit happen.

Same Skinner box, shaping the rats to shit themselves and roll in it with slightly different stimuli.

Only solution is for everyone to say “fuck this, this is a Skinner box” but too many people think their pellet ration is special and richly deserved.

Hey now, these pellets ain’t half bad. They have a nice crunch to them.

//

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:26:03pm

re: #133 Teukka

And I would not be surprised if they call on help from ICPO. Let’s hope these perps were sloppy enough to leave enough evidence to really begin unraveling a network.

Well, the gunman livestreamed his mass murder spree, so I’m thinking “being careful” wasn’t #1 on the priority list.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:26:29pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

The crunch is how the get you.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:27:19pm

re: #135 Dr Lizardo

Well, the gunman livestreamed his mass murder spree, so I’m thinking “being careful” wasn’t #1 on the priority list.

My hunch exactly.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:27:36pm

Off to work. Back later.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:30:32pm

CNNI and BBC seem to be the go-to stations for thorough continuing coverage of international tragedies — MSNBC and CNN have reverted to their normal rebroadcast of earlier evening shows.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:50:46pm

It’s the Nordic Black Sun symbol, popular with neo nazis.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:55:20pm

Just something to lift your mood.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 10:56:20pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

It’s the Nordic Black Sun symbol, popular with neo nazis.

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I really hope it won’t, but I won’t be surprised we’ll have at least one attempted copy-asswipe incident before this day is out.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:05:50pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

To me anyhow, the conservative movement refuses to acknowledge that we live in the 21st century. That at the core is heart of their problems.

Most of the authoritarians and barbarians masquerading as conservatives didn’t even like the 20th Century.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:15:32pm

re: #75 goddamnedfrank

Ms. Watson? Were you born that stupid, or did you study?

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:26:43pm

As at 7 PM NZ Time:
40 dead. 10 at one mosque, 30 at the other. Scores of injured at local hospital.
It is classed as a terrorist attack.

Source: NZ PM.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:29:40pm
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freetoken  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:31:37pm

Apparently the youtuber pewdiepie is getting a whole lot of mentions.

People are bringing up one of his latest Instagram posts:

Others want him to delete it now.

I just think it’s part of the violent fetishism that is so prevalent in young people caught up into gaming. Violent ideation is part of a certain type of gaming culture.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:31:51pm

Off the edge she goes……

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LastYearsMan  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:32:25pm

A NZ friend just emailed me, pointing out that Christchurch is one of the more infamous places in New Zealand for racism. But even in Wellington, people are being told to stay in for now. Looks like the police are scared of more stuff going down.

What a shit day.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:33:30pm

re: #151 LastYearsMan

A NZ friend just emailed me, pointing out that Christchurch is one of the more infamous places in New Zealand for racism. But even in Wellington, people are being told to stay in for now. Looks like the police are scared of more stuff going down.

What a shit day.

I’m afraid of copy-asswipe attacks in the US and Europe. :(

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:34:37pm

re: #141 Dave In Austin

Nite Owl: What’s happened to us? What happened to the American Dream?

The Comedian: What happened to the American Dream? It came true! You’re looking at it.

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freetoken  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:35:40pm

So what are the chances that Trump will start saying that the deaths could have been prevented if only there was a good guy with a gun at the mosque??

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:36:09pm

re: #142 goddamnedfrank

Definitely people who need to go back to their mothers on their shields.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:37:52pm
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Romantic Heretic  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:39:43pm

re: #149 freetoken

Look at that picture and think, “Jesus Christ, idiot! Finger outside the trigger guard!”

Which relieves me a bit. If they’re that bad about firearm safety they’ll likely be that bad about tactics, strategy, operational security and logistics.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:41:50pm

While NZ has overall stricter gun control than the US it’s pretty goddamned lax by global standards. Getting an AR is comparatively difficult but not impossible and, weirdly, silencers are completely unregulated.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:41:58pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:43:57pm

10 people were killed at the Linwood mosque and 30 at the Deans Ave mosque. A further 20 people have been seriously injured.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:52:02pm

Holy shit. 40 dead.

Throw everyone remotely involved into prison to rot and throw away the key.

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:53:29pm

re: #161 LastYearsMan

Holy shit. 40 dead.

Throw everyone remotely involved into prison to rot and throw away the key.

May they spend the rest of their lives being interrogated in depth.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:54:54pm
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LastYearsMan  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:56:42pm

re: #162 Teukka

May they spend the rest of their lives being interrogated in depth.

I really want to wish every vile thing upon those who did this (and all who contributed). But I know that won’t help. So I’ll just hope for justice. And I’ll hope that this insane fever begins to break. (But I still want far worse…).

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Teukka  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:57:45pm

re: #157 Romantic Heretic

Look at that picture and think, “Jesus Christ, idiot! Finger outside the trigger guard!”

Which relieves me a bit. If they’re that bad about firearm safety they’ll likely be that bad about tactics, strategy, operational security and logistics.

Yeah. I know the four first commandments by heart.

I. Always assume the weapon is loaded until you have verified yourself.
II. Never point the weapon at anything you do not intend to put a hole into.
III. Be aware of what is behind and around your intended target.
IV. Do not put your finger on the trigger until you are prepared to fire.

I’m one of those the alt-right terrorist enablers call a Gun-grabbing libtard. And I know those four basic rules.
Sheesh.

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freetoken  Mar 14, 2019 • 11:58:46pm

From the Guardian:

New Zealand police have conducted a controlled detonation at Auckland’s largest train station, the Britomart Transport Centre.

The bomb squad attended the station 40 minutes ago, and cordoned off the area. Just minutes ago an explosion was heard. Authorities told local media it was a controlled detonation.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:01:39am

Yesterday

New Zealand in shock after climate change minister attacked on way to parliament

The New Zealand climate change minister has been attacked while walking to Parliament House, the first physical assault on a politician in the country in more than 10 years.

James Shaw, who is also the joint leader of the Greens party, was outside the Botanic Gardens in the capital Wellington at 7.30am on Thursday when he was assaulted by an unknown man.

A spokesperson for the Green party said Shaw was grabbed and punched in the face, in an unprovoked attack that has shocked MPs and the wider public. The attacker referred to Shaw by name.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:03:01am

re: #167 Amory Blaine

Yesterday

New Zealand in shock after climate change minister attacked on way to parliament

Wonder if it is linked to todays horrific events?

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:06:31am
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:08:01am
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:08:27am

Another update:

Another update from that earlier Ardern press conference - the number of people in custody is currently three. Earlier in the day, police said they had four people in custody. There was no further information provided as to why that number changed.

Could have simply been a mistake by the person originally releasing the info.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:09:06am

We absolutely live in the worst possible fucking timeline.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:12:24am

re: #169 freetoken

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“Thoughts and prayers” is up there with “You can’t stop evil” in terms of empty bullshit that wingnuts say like a ward against criticism before they start in on “IF ONLY THEY’D HAD MOAR GUNZ!!!”

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:13:40am
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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:14:33am

re: #172 goddamnedfrank

We absolutely live in the worst possible fucking timeline.

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The new media follows the marketing advice of the old: “It bleed, it leads.”

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:15:03am

re: #168 Teukka

I’m thinking not, although the mosque attacks might be a trigger.

The mosque shooters were well armed. If the attack on the minister was part of this he would be dead.

I could always be wrong though. If I knew everything I’d b God and then I certainly wouldn’t be hanging around this silly planet.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:15:58am

Australia’s version of our Trumper GOP :

Some of his latest tweets:

And so on.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:16:58am

Anning got that position because the guy who was elected, one of the One Nation loonies, was found ineligible after the fact.

Queensland must love their own right wing.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:18:21am

re: #177 freetoken

Australia’s version of our Trumper GOP :

[Embedded content]

And so on.

But, you know, AOC is wrong for suggesting “thoughts and prayers” provide no protection.

//////////

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:30:21am
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:49:05am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:53:16am

I remember when I joined LGF in 2007 and a regular headline was “Religion of Peace activists attack….”

Now we have NZ police warning people not to attend Mosques for fear of white.supremacist terror attacks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:58:00am

re: #112 HappyWarrior

I really want Alex Jones to be forced to find a living that isn’t shilling hatred and paranoia to millions of people. I don’t want him homeless but I do want him to realize that it’s not lucrative to do what he’s been doing for the past 20 plus years.

He would not be able to do it without such a receptive market.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:02:30am

re: #177 freetoken

Australia’s version of our Trumper GOP :

[Embedded content]

And so on.

On second reading, I have to disagree with your assessment. Even the worst of the “Freedom Caucus” would never stand up in the wake of a shooting at a mosque and suggest that not only did the victims deserve their fate for the “crime” of being Muslims, but go on to suggest that any who identify as Muslim are valid targets for violence. This is a brand of hate that, shocking as it may be to say in this day and age, still seems to be something the worst Republicans are hesitant to say out loud.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:04:00am

re: #184 Targetpractice

On second reading, I have to disagree with your assessment. Even the worst of the “Freedom Caucus” would never stand up in the wake of a shooting at a mosque and suggest that not only did the victims deserve their fate for the “crime” of being Muslims, but go on to suggest that any who identify as Muslim are valid targets for violence.

It is a matter of RW doctrine that all True Muslims are violent Jihadists.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:09:09am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a matter of RW doctrine that all True Muslims are violent Jihadists.

True, but that’s the shit usually left to the wingnut media or the pulpit pimps on Sunday mornings. The politicians generally aren’t dumb enough to say that shit out loud, at least not when 40+ bodies lie riddled with bullets at the hands of wingnut terrorists.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:10:55am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:11:18am

re: #186 Targetpractice

True, but that’s the shit usually left to the wingnut media or the pulpit pimps on Sunday mornings. The politicians generally aren’t dumb enough to say that shit out loud, at least not when 40+ bodies lie riddled with bullets at the hands of wingnut terrorists.

This guy feels the need to come out swinging…

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:12:39am

re: #188 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This guy feels the need to come out swinging…

Aye. And I really doubt he’s gonna face more than a dressing down from his party for it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:16:35am

re: #189 Targetpractice

Aye. And I really doubt he’s gonna face more than a dressing down from his party for it.

Only for saying so directly.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:18:24am

re: #184 Targetpractice

re: #189 Targetpractice

He’s a OneNation Party member. That is Hanson’s party, and while his timing may be brazen it is the belief of many of their supporters.

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fern01  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:24:17am

re: #186 Targetpractice

True, but that’s the shit usually left to the wingnut media or the pulpit pimps on Sunday mornings. The politicians generally aren’t dumb enough to say that shit out loud, at least not when 40+ bodies lie riddled with bullets at the hands of wingnut terrorists.

Local news (Australia) just increased the death toll to 49.

White supremacist terrorists.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:32:24am

The tactical plan for the American hate-right, to respond to this terrorist attack, went out quickly.

From Donnie Jr. to Ben Shapiro, the mantra is “don’t mention his name”.

What they want to do, of course, is make sure people don’t find his manifesto and that he credits Donald Trump for making him bring to importance the idea of ethnic nationalism.

Still, that the plan went out so quickly (that Loesch, Shapiro, DonnieJr. etc.) really does illustrate how they coordinate their propaganda war on America.

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LastYearsMan  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:34:52am

The manifesto both credited Trump for his racism and laughed at him for his incompetence. It was a pretty damming 1-2 punch.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:43:56am

Four hours old, still the best short take on why this is important to all of us:

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:46:25am

Holy shit, the comment section on Breitbart is even more of a cesspool than usual.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:48:07am

Update:

Here are the key points from the New Zealand police commissioner press conference:

49 people were killed in the attack, including 41 at Deans Avenue mosque and seven at Linwood mosque. Another victim died in hospital.
A man in his late 20s has been charged with murder and will appear in Christchurch court tomorrow.
Two others arrested at the scene with guns are being investigated. A fourth person arrested may have had nothing to do with the attack.
Several guns have been recovered from both mosques. Two explosive devices were found on two vehicles at the scene. One has been disabled.
The suspects were unknown to the police.
The police remain vigilant but are not looking for anyone else in connection with the attacks.

The report needs correcting. During the presentation the commissioner corrected himself and said both IEDs were found on one vehicle. The wording was a but ambiguous.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:53:02am

re: #196 Ace-o-aces

Holy shit, the comment section on Breitbart is even more of a cesspool than usual.

FoxNews… the whole lot of deplorables are really earning their moniker this morning.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:56:15am

re: #198 freetoken

FoxNews… the whole lot of deplorables are really earning their moniker this morning.

I remember when these outlets used to shut down comments when their readers started showing their true colors.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:58:17am
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:00:30am
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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:06:43am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:15:42am

Out of date. I was speculating about the significance of having several suspects, then I saw the police press conference.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:25:54am

re: #203 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

The commissioner noted that one of the four may not be involved with the others but was picked up for something else.

But yes, there is a cadre of these right wing terrorists.

And the deplorables are all over social media this morning making excuses for them.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:27:22am

re: #144 Teukka

I really hope it won’t, but I won’t be surprised we’ll have at least attempted copy-asswipe incident before this day is out.

I would not be surprised to see a reprisal attack against known Nazis. I am not advocating it, of course, but I think there is a breaking point for a certain small segment of any population. I think it may have been reached.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:28:36am

re: #192 fern01

Local news (Australia) just increased the death toll to 49.

White supremacist terrorists.

I would refer to the asswipes as “alt-right terrorists”, what they did as “alt-right terrorism”, and any of their apologists as “alt-right terrorist enablers”.

Or am I too harsh in thinking we should try to pin those monikers on them?

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:29:54am

Tiny Hands should be awake by now.

His sign off tweet last night was to send his followers to that cesspool the bratsfrat.

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Ming5000  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:51:09am

re: #206 Teukka

I like the idea. The white supremacist terrorists need to be named. There are still vast swaths of people not fully tuned in to the vile nature or the right.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:02:18am

re: #208 Ming5000

I like the idea. The white supremacist terrorists need to be named. There are still vast swaths of people not fully tuned in to the vile nature or the right.

The terrorists themselves need to be named.

And more importantly, the leaders that inspire them to commit their acts need to be named and the ideologies behind their acts need to be discussed openly and publicly.

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Ming5000  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:02:30am

I am not going to click on any more Raw Story articles like this:

CNN panel spirals into chaos after Trump supporter defends president’s threat of violence with his bikers and military

Cable news, and CNN is a major culprit, thrives on these insincere panels that include nut jobs just for the fireworks.
Then, the news feeds post articles about “Fireworks!” for the clicks…..

This is not helping make anyone more informed and is another toxic internet disease making democracy weaker.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:27:04am

FWIW, Pewdiepie has made a statement:

And couldn’t resist shading a Gadsden idiot:

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:28:07am

re: #199 Ace-o-aces

I remember when these outlets used to shut down comments when their readers started showing their true colors.

it’s evolved into a core part of the business model

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:33:34am

The deplorables are in such a fog of hate:

And how does Watson still use “PrisonPlanet” on Twitter? I thought all of Alex Jones’ stuff was banned from Twitter?

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:35:18am

Evil

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:39:02am

re: #213 freetoken

More spin than an out-of-control washing machine in a seedy laundromat.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:40:47am

re: #215 Dr Lizardo

More spin than an out-of-control washing machine in a seedy laundromat.

Like a brick in a washing machine….

The Original Washing Machine Self Destructs

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:50:02am

re: #214 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Evil

a small and cosmically* insignificant person

*autocorrect changed it to “comically”. it is learning

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:55:41am
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steve_davis  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:57:06am

re: #16 MsJ

If that.

hey, good people on both sides….

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steve_davis  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:00:48am

re: #42 HappyWarrior

And remember Murdoch formed Fox in the Clinton years. Coulter was around before then but she didn’t really become a household name until W was President and if memory serves, the WSJ Ed board began going hard right when Rupert bought em. True about Rush tho.

The WSJ board has been hard-right since the paper formed. They were Nixon apologists up to the point where he got on the goddamned helicopter at the end.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:08:27am

Trump has to be awake by now.

I presume some minder has taken his phone and intends to make sure that whatever is tweeted this morning is not going to be so far off the edge that it blows up even worse than what Trump has already done.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:10:37am

It appears as if my information on Fraser Anning was old. He is currently not in any party, having been kicked out of his last one.

So the Australian Senate has this guy out there without any cover from party mates.

They really should just kick him out.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:47:13am

It’s awake and bloviating.
Warmest sympathy and best wishes instead of thoughts and prayers.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:48:36am

re: #223 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

It’s awake and bloviating.
Warmest sympathy and best wishes instead of thoughts and prayers.

[Embedded content]

He didn’t write that. Some staffer or intern did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:49:06am

re: #223 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

It’s awake and bloviating.
Warmest sympathy and best wishes instead of thoughts and prayers.

Is anybody on the right falling back on the standard talking point that those people in the Mosque might be alive if they had been properly armed?

Hmmmm….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:50:40am

re: #223 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

My warmest sympathy and best wishes goes out to the people of New Zealand after the horrible massacre in the Mosques. 49 innocent people have so senselessly died, with so many more seriously injured. The U.S. stands by New Zealand for anything we can do. God bless all!

definitely the edited version

Original;

“49 Dead Muslims in New Zealand. Sad, i guess, but it means fewer potential immigrants to ban from entering.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:51:44am

re: #177 freetoken

Australia’s version of our Trumper GOP :

[Embedded content]

And so on.

Yeah but how dare AOC point out the empty rhetoric of thoughts and prayers.//

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:52:50am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is anybody on the right falling back on the standard talking point that those people in the Mosque might be alive if they had been properly armed?

Hmmmm….

they’d be alive if they didnt move here
they’d be alive if they didnt choose to be muslims
they’d be alive if they stayed at home

ass hat thinking

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:55:58am

re: #223 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

It’s awake and bloviating.
Warmest sympathy and best wishes instead of thoughts and prayers.

[Embedded content]

A weak statement just as I thought. He won’t call out the hate that inspired these assholes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:56:43am

re: #225 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Is anybody on the right falling back on the standard talking point that those people in the Mosque might be alive if they had been properly armed?

Hmmmm….

Nah, they’re blaming them for being Muslim in the first place.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:57:08am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

A weak statement just as I thought. He won’t call out the hate that inspired these assholes.

He can’t call it out. It would anger his base.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:57:23am

re: #214 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Evil

That witch has no conscience at all. In fact, I bet she’s even glad that she inspired it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:57:41am

re: #231 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

He can’t call it out. It would anger his base.

[Embedded content]

Exactly.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:06:36am

re: #229 HappyWarrior

A weak statement just as I thought. He won’t call out the hate that inspired these assholes.

he can’t call out the hate because *he* inspired these assholes

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:09:21am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:15:53am

re: #235 Barefoot Grin

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You literally bragged about your support of bikers who have SS tattoos. I’m not Jewish but Jews will never prefer any party you’re the face of. And Republicans like you again think Jewish voters only care about the right’s conception of Israel.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:16:12am

re: #234 Man, DangerMan

he can’t call out the hate because *he* inspired these assholes

Exactly.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:20:35am

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:21:56am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

[Embedded content]

You were suspected of criminal activity, you pathetic whiner.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:27:33am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

[Embedded content]

There’s a major international tragedy and this fuckstain is yammering about unmitigated bullshit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:28:22am

re: #240 Mike Lamb

There’s a major international tragedy and this fuckstain is yammering about unmitigated bullshit.

I bet this is what Fox is focusing about today.

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:31:11am

re: #208 Ming5000

I like the idea. The white supremacist terrorists need to be named. There are still vast swaths of people not fully tuned in to the vile nature or the right.

On a similar trajectory, here’s a thread about the difference in the UK media coverage vs NZ coverage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:34:24am

re: #242 Alephnaught

On a similar trajectory, here’s a thread about the difference in the UK media coverage vs NZ coverage.

BBC calls it a terrorist attack in the sub-headline

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:35:58am

re: #242 Alephnaught

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is from my local PBS station WHYY.
whyy.org

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jeffreyw  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:43:36am

Good morning!

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:43:41am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:43:45am

re: #150 Dave In Austin

What is the attraction to someone who is so obviously deranged? She doesn’t even write well. I can barely understand that tweet. Conservatives have become wedded with violent extremists and they need to look at themselves and stop inciting violence.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:44:52am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

So has Trump expressed any condolences for the victims of the rightwing terrorist attack in NZ?

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:45:20am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

Well I’m glad maga potus has changed his tweeting on this day of tragedy oh wait….

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:45:38am

re: #242 Alephnaught

On a similar trajectory, here’s a thread about the difference in the UK media coverage vs NZ coverage.

GMA called it a terrorist attack and called him a white supremacist. It’s probably easier for them when it’s not in the US, but it’s a start.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:46:10am

re: #248 Patricia Kayden

So has Trump expressed any condolences for the victims of the rightwing terrorist attack in NZ?

Yes, warmest sympathies or something like that. One tweet.

What moar do you people Want?!?!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:48:50am

re: #247 Patricia Kayden

What is the attraction to someone who is so obviously deranged? She doesn’t even write well. I can barely understand that tweet. Conservatives have become wedded with violent extremists and they need to look at themselves and stop inciting violence.

They’d be forced to admit their belligerent and noxious rhetoric lies at the bottom of this surge in right-wing violence we’re seeing.

They want the freedom to spew their toxic invective yet refuse to own the real-world consequences of what they’re saying.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:49:48am

re: #248 Patricia Kayden

So has Trump expressed any condolences for the victims of the rightwing terrorist attack in NZ?

Yep. Real weak sauce.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:51:48am

The POTUS wakes up and tweets utter garbage, neglecting the tragedy happening to an important ally.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:52:39am

re: #254 Amory Blaine

The POTUS wakes up and tweets utter garbage, neglecting the tragedy happening to an important ally.

Who else but Trump. Sigh.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:53:19am

re: #231 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

He can’t call it out. It would anger his base.

[Embedded content]

Donald Trump: ‘I think Islam hates us’

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:55:37am

Because we haven’t mocked Dana in a while:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:55:55am

re: #248 Patricia Kayden

So has Trump expressed any condolences for the victims of the rightwing terrorist attack in NZ?

Someone tweeted out an expression on his twitter feed; probably not Trump.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:56:01am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

Upding for “it’s”

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:56:44am

re: #238 Dave In Austin

Now it’s blaming Obama for this and that…..

Fox & Fiends better be careful—it’s two-timing on Fox with OANN.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:56:50am

re: #257 Belafon

Because we haven’t mocked Dana in a while:

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You’re a loser Dana.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:57:31am

re: #258 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Someone tweeted out an expression on his twitter feed; probably not Trump.

If he says anything, it will be the usual incoherent bs.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:57:43am

re: #258 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Someone tweeted out an expression on his twitter feed; probably not Trump.

Yeah, like I said awhile ago, it was probably a staffer or some intern. I’d be surprised if Trump wrote it…..he’s too busy watching Fox & Friends. You know……”executive time”.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:59:06am

re: #260 Sir John Barron

Fox & Fiends better be careful—it’s two-timing on Fox with OANN.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he starts watching more OANN instead of FNC, as OANN is pretty much 24/7/365 pure, unvarnished Trump ass-kissing.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:59:17am

re: #263 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, like I said awhile ago, it was probably a staffer or some intern. I’d be surprised if Trump wrote it…..he’s too busy watching Fox & Friends. You know……”executive time”.

Executive Bathroom Time.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:00:49am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

I thought that was Executive Golden time. /

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:01:36am

re: #266 PhillyPretzel

I thought that was Executive Golden time. /

Ha!

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:03:52am

re: #254 Amory Blaine

The POTUS wakes up and tweets utter garbage, neglecting the tragedy happening to an important ally.

It’s not as useful to him as whatever is on F&F and OANN.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:04:25am

re: #246 Belafon

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Yet another reason to love Nancy! She knows right where to stick it to the asshole in the Oval Office.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:09:35am
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:10:48am

re: #43 freetoken

But yeah, please do go on about how you’re the victim in all this or that you’re going to sue people for defamation or other bulkshit when your statements are available for all to see as a public figure (higher standard applies).

She’s not the only one engaging in stochastic terrorism - Trump takes an oversized amount of the blame for that. Why? Because he’s done more to normalize white nationalism, white supremacy, and the far right xenophobic agenda than any other major public figure in the world.

Other right wing extremists are keying off him. And he’s already equated goddamned Nazis with the people protesting them. He equated the Nazi who murdered Heather Heyer with the people who were protesting those Nazis.

Trump repeatedly demonizes Muslims and repeats anti Semitic tropes. This works its way into the right wing lexicon and Fox spreads it, as does all the lower levels of the right wing ecosphere online. This is no accident.

These are purposeful decisions to demonize minorities and nonwhites (and women).

The consequences are deadly - as we again witness in Christchurch, where at least 49 Muslims were murdered by right wing terrorists who singled out 2 mosques to carry out their manifesto - and livestreamed for all to see.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:12:18am

Has Fox covered the shooting much? I was talking to a conservative coworker, and he hadn’t heard about the shooting. I don’t know what his morning habits are, but I have mentioned stuff before and he’s known about them.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:15:31am

SHS did issue a standard “thoughts and prayers” statement.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders also issued a statement condemning the attacks.

“Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families,” the statement said. “We stand in solidarity with the people of New Zealand and their government against this vicious act of hate.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:15:38am

re: #213 freetoken

The deplorables are in such a fog of hate:

[Embedded content]

And how does Watson still use “PrisonPlanet” on Twitter? I thought all of Alex Jones’ stuff was banned from Twitter?

@jack sees nothing wrong with that. He’s too busy trying to “find himself” a la Jackie Gleason in Skidoo.

Jackie Gleason Tripping on Acid

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:17:06am

re: #272 Belafon

Has Fox covered the shooting much? I was talking to a conservative coworker, and he hadn’t heard about the shooting. I don’t know what his morning habits are, but I have mentioned stuff before and he’s known about them.

Expect to soon hear:

“NZ is a gun-free zone, gun controls don’t work.”

“Stop blaming this on maga potus.”

“Mental illness”

“Too soon to talk about shooter’s motives.”
“Whataboutwhataboutwhatabout”

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:18:03am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:18:27am

Meanwhile on OANN, Candace Owens will get her ass endlessly kissed…

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:21:27am
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:22:52am

Guess who had a think tank even though he accused Clinton of using her foundation to make connections:

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:25:05am

re: #278 Belafon

That was different because

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:27:20am

re: #278 Belafon

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:28:16am

re: #271 lawhawk

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But yeah, please do go on about how you’re the victim in all this or that you’re going to sue people for defamation or other bulkshit when your statements are available for all to see as a public figure (higher standard applies).

Candace could have proclaimed her innocence — and also expressed sympathy toward those who were massacred. But AFAICT, she has still failed to say anything that remotely suggested any concern about the 49 deaths and 20 wounded. Have any of the other Turning Point crew shown any feeling or empathy at all or have they continued to demonstrated that they rightly earned the “deplorable” title.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:28:32am

Hmm… For some reason, this doesn’t show in the replies to pewdiepie? What’s going on?

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:31:16am

Over on Voat (I put on the ol’ hazmat suit and ventured over), they’re claiming the NZ massacre was either a false flag or they’re praising the shooter as some kind of hero.

Sick fucks. The lot of them.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:37:58am

re: #284 Dr Lizardo

Over on Voat (I put on the ol’ hazmat suit and ventured over), they’re claiming the NZ massacre was either a false flag or they’re praising the shooter as some kind of hero.

Sick fucks. The lot of them.

“It’s either something We shouldn’t be blamed for or it is something We should be proud of.”

/

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:39:17am

re: #33 De Kolta Chair
Someone help me understand this cartoon. I saw it last night and again just now and I still don’t get it.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:40:05am

re: #284 Dr Lizardo

re: #285 Sir John Barron

They are trying to use this: youtube.com

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:40:51am

re: #286 MsJ

It’s a motion capture suit…. riffing on the conspiracy theory going around that whoever is accompanying Trump on some of these trips isn’t actually Melania.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:41:15am

re: #286 MsJ

Someone help me understand this cartoon. I saw it last night and again just now and I still don’t get it.

That would be a motion capture suit, used in movies to allow a computer to overlay an image on top of the person. Think Hulk or Thanos. “Melania” is digitally added later.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:41:16am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:41:31am

re: #284 Dr Lizardo

Over on Voat (I put on the ol’ hazmat suit and ventured over), they’re claiming the NZ massacre was either a false flag or they’re praising the shooter as some kind of hero.

Sick fucks. The lot of them.

Always. Sigh

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:41:35am

re: #243 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

BBC calls it a terrorist attack in the sub-headline

To be fair, I think the UK media is starting to refer to it as a terrorist attack now. I wonder if they caught some flack about their initial reporting.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:41:58am

re: #286 MsJ

Someone help me understand this cartoon. I saw it last night and again just now and I still don’t get it.

You and me both!

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:42:05am

re: #285 Sir John Barron

“It’s either something We shouldn’t be blamed for or it is something We should be proud of.”

/

Or, not infrequently, both

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:42:54am

re: #290 freetoken

Arguably it started well before this - Utoya comes to mind. And the endless series of right wing domestic terror attacks here in the US.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:42:56am

re: #116 Citizen K

This presumes a moral center on her part, sadly.

The only moral center these people have surrounds money.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:43:49am

re: #283 Teukka

Hmm… For some reason, this doesn’t show in the replies to pewdiepie? What’s going on?

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As I said last night, we’re allowed to be individuals. Timothy McVeigh being a white man meant nothing in the conversation after OKC but PoC as individuals are held responsible for criminal actions done by individuals.

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freetoken  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:44:24am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:46:58am

re: #298 freetoken

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She wasn’t trashing prayer. She was trashing empty prayer by politicians who are able to do something and yeah the NRA does deserve blame when they engage in race baiting bs.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:48:49am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:50:24am

re: #289 Belafon

That would be a motion capture suit, used in movies to allow a computer to overlay an image on top of the person. Think Hulk or Thanos. “Melania” is digitally added later.

I’ve caught a few tweets alleging that a woman who looks like Melania, but who isn’t Melania, has appeared with Trump several times recently. Not sure if I can take them seriously. One side-by-side comparison suggested the fake Mel was shorter than the real one by a few inches, but the image for “the real Mel” had her standing closer to the camera than Donald, thus looking as tall as he, but “the fake Mel” was standing alongside him, and looking shorter than Donald.

OTOH, this administration is so consumed with image over substance, that replacing Melania with a “stunt double” would not be at all surprising.

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:51:43am

Thread:

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:51:56am

re: #298 freetoken

Notice how these yokels always pick the “crazy eyes” shots for AOC in their tweets.

She has them rattled.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:52:15am

re: #286 MsJ

Someone help me understand this cartoon. I saw it last night and again just now and I still don’t get it.

I think it is a reference to the Melania body double theory. The white dots represent the targets used when scanning a human body. The silhouette represents the mystery woman. Anyway, that’s how I see it.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:52:42am

re: #301 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve caught a few tweets alleging that a woman who looks like Melania, but who isn’t Melania, has appeared with Trump several times recently. Not sure if I can take them seriously. One side-by-side comparison suggested the fake Mel was shorter than the real one by a few inches, but the image for “the real Mel” had her standing closer to the camera than Donald, thus looking as tall as he, but “the fake Mel” was standing alongside him, and looking shorter than Donald.

OTOH, this administration is so consumed with image over substance, that replacing Melania with a “stunt double” would not be at all surprising.

I’m pretty sure Melania knows what’s going to earn her the most money after the divorce, and so she shows up.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:52:48am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:53:12am

re: #302 Alephnaught

Thread:

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Excellent one.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:53:52am

re: #306 darthstar

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That’s because wingnuts like Trump think American Jews only care about Israel or more accurately what Bibi wants.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:54:15am

I see the president is laser focused on what matters in this time of international crisis and mourning…

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:57:41am

re: #288 lawhawk

re: #289 Belafon

Thanks! That’s kinda what I thought (having seen an episode of the Listener where the premise was an action game) but I wasn’t sure if that was real or not.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:59:46am
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:01:23am

re: #301 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I’ve caught a few tweets alleging that a woman who looks like Melania, but who isn’t Melania, has appeared with Trump several times recently. Not sure if I can take them seriously. One side-by-side comparison suggested the fake Mel was shorter than the real one by a few inches, but the image for “the real Mel” had her standing closer to the camera than Donald, thus looking as tall as he, but “the fake Mel” was standing alongside him, and looking shorter than Donald.

OTOH, this administration is so consumed with image over substance, that replacing Melania with a “stunt double” would not be at all surprising.

If you look at all the photos, some look like her and others do not. I think that she just photographs differently in various angled poses. It’s a kinda stunning difference but I have seen it before with people I know. Personally, I am pretty photogenic and I think I always look better in pictures than I do in real life. Still looks like me but better.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:03:38am

OK, off to teach. Last lesson of the week. Back later.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:05:26am

OT: Last weekend when I did my laundry I noticed that one of the hoses was slimy. So I ordered some new steel braided from amazon. They were delivered to my neighbor. He opened up my package and realized that it was not what he ordered. He looked at the label and put the package on my front door step and since the amazon delivery people were still there he told them to get it right. Thank you Neighbor.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:05:55am

It’s Friday, so is it Mueller time again?

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:06:59am

We might want to be careful about that manifesto. There appears to be a fair bit of misdirection in it. See the linked article in this tweet:

But this manifesto is a trap itself, laid for journalists searching for the meaning behind this horrific crime. There is truth in there, and valuable clues to the shooter’s radicalization, but it is buried beneath a great deal of, for lack of a better word, “shitposting”.

Shitposting is the act of throwing out huge amounts of content, most of it ironic, low-quality trolling, for the purpose of provoking an emotional reaction in less Internet-savvy viewers. The ultimate goal is to derail productive discussion and distract readers. [The Manifesto] is a clear and brutally obvious example of this technique.

In his manifesto, Brenton credits far-right personality Candace Owens with beginning his radicalization. He states that, “Each time she spoke I was stunned by her insights and her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness. Though I will have to disavow some of her beliefs, the extreme actions she calls for are too much, even for my tastes.”

[…]

It is possible, even likely that the author was a fan of Owens’s videos: she certainly espouses anti-immigrant rhetoric. But in context seems likely that his references to Owens were calculated to spark division, and perhaps even violence, between the left and the right. At multiple points in the manifesto the author expresses the hope that his massacre will spark further attempts at gun control in the United States, which he believes will lead to gun confiscation and a civil war. He believes this civil war would be the best opportunity destroy the American “melting pot”. This idea is repeated often enough that it seems to be something the author legitimately believes in.

Given the tone surrounding the Candace Owens passage, it seems clear that it was “bait”, thrown out to attract attention on social media and sow further political division.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:07:16am

re: #283 Teukka

Hmm… For some reason, this doesn’t show in the replies to pewdiepie? What’s going on?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:08:04am

re: #316 Alephnaught

We might want to be careful about that manifesto. There appears to be a fair bit of misdirection in it. See the linked article in this tweet:

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That’s true. That said Candece Owens has no right to whine when she praised Nazism’s actions until 1939.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:08:41am

re: #311 darthstar

This was more accurate than I realized.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:10:00am

re: #319 darthstar

This was more accurate than I realized.

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There’s the right’s Alpha Male. Someone get Trump a pacifier so he’ll shut the fuck up for once.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:11:00am

Another criminal that won’t be stopped by a wall.
//

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:11:35am

re: #315 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s Friday, so is it Mueller time again?

He’s really bringing people together

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:15:27am

re: #316 Alephnaught

I have not read the shooter’s manifesto, but caught some snips of it here and there. Within the cryptocurrency circles, some noticed that he mentions he had made some good money with Bitconnect.

Bitconnect was a massive ponzi scheme that purported to be a cryptocurrency scheme. It collapsed in early 2018, and many people lost millions of dollars as a result. Shooter guy could have been one of the guys near the top of the pyramid.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:18:26am

re: #323 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I have not read the shooter’s manifesto, but caught some snips of it here and there. Within the cryptocurrency circles, some noticed that he mentions he had made some good money with Bitconnect.

Bitconnect was a massive ponzi scheme that purported to be a cryptocurrency scheme. It collapsed in early 2018, and many people lost millions of dollars as a result. Shooter guy could have been one of the guys near the top of the pyramid.

If what Alephnaught posted is correct, this guy was one of the smarter ones, one of the really dangerous ones.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:19:23am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:22:21am

Female scientists in sspppaaccee!

She will later take part in the first all-female spacewalk mission.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:26:10am
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:27:49am

re: #325 darthstar

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:29:04am

re: #315 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s Friday, so is it Mueller time again?

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I suppose it’s too much to ask that the fucking POTUS understands the concept of “probable cause”.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:29:28am

re: #327 lawhawk

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And they don’t mean all Christians either. Just conservative ones. Gorka can fuck off.

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darthstar  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:31:41am

Ben Shapiro kind of agrees with me.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:33:15am
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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:37:52am

Morning!

Arrrrrrgh!!!

I am fighting website issues with a client that is freaking out and he is in Australia and communicating with him is difficult.

We had to move his company’s web site to a new server due to the need for an updated MySQL database for the web store. And since that move we have had nothing but problems.

The internet is a god thing, but sometimes it is pure hell too.

And it is totally ruining my LGF viewing!

Pray for me…

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:38:07am

re: #332 lawhawk

“Come join the party that calls you globalists, accuses you of owning the media and the banks, and still holds you accountable for the death of Jesus. We’re far better for you than people who criticize Israel for the treatment of Palestinians.”

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:39:15am

re: #332 lawhawk

This is a great tweet the day after a terrorist killed 49 in a place of worship.

/

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:39:35am

re: #333 ObserverArt

To paraphrase Wendell, the internet was created for sharing scientific documents. It wasn’t created to sell goods or to allow you to post pictures of your pets.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:39:57am

Tomorrow is Parshat Zachor (the Shabbat before Purim) where everyone is required to attend the Torah reading.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:40:51am

That’s Laura Ingraham’s brother… and he’s calling her out in no uncertain terms.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:42:31am

re: #327 lawhawk

“Some civilizations are better than others. And ours, the Judeo-Christian civilization is the best of all.”

And that, in a nutshell, is modern white supremacism.

Do not let them wiggle out of or around it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:45:59am

re: #338 lawhawk

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That’s Laura Ingraham’s brother… and he’s calling her out in no uncertain terms.

He’s been calling her out. Props to him. She’s a bigoted witch.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:48:42am

re: #275 Sir John Barron

Expect to soon hear:

“NZ is a gun-free zone, gun controls don’t work.”

My brother already posted this on FB. I’m biting my tongue because we’ve only just started talking again.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:49:07am

Mueller isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. This makes it clear that we’re talking at least two more months before we can even sniff a report being completed:

All those who thought Mueller was wrapping up in February, and now March have been talking out their ass. The filings make it clear Mueller’s still got a lot of work ahead of him.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:50:16am

re: #342 lawhawk

Mueller isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. This makes it clear that we’re talking at least two more months before we can even sniff a report being completed:

All those who thought Mueller was wrapping up in February, and now March have been talking out their ass. The filings make it clear Mueller’s still got a lot of work ahead of him.

Mueller Witchy Hunt ending THIS WEEK! Mass arrests of Clinton, Holder, Obama, Lynch coming right up!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:50:51am

re: #275 Sir John Barron

Expect to soon hear:

“NZ is a gun-free zone, gun controls don’t work.”

“If only all those Muslims had been properly armed…” does not seem to be put forth as an argument here.

Wonder why?

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:54:55am

re: #323 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I have not read the shooter’s manifesto, but caught some snips of it here and there. Within the cryptocurrency circles, some noticed that he mentions he had made some good money with Bitconnect.

Bitconnect was a massive ponzi scheme that purported to be a cryptocurrency scheme. It collapsed in early 2018, and many people lost millions of dollars as a result. Shooter guy could have been one of the guys near the top of the pyramid.

Or the bottom, creating a “fuck it, kill everyone, I have nothing, might as well go to prison or die” mentality.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:55:56am

re: #341 NO SMOCKING GUN!

“People have died from contaminated food, so restaurant cooks should not have to wash their hands.”

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:57:36am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Same reason that the NRA was silent when African Americans were murdered in church in Charleston.

The 2A solution only applies when it’s a white guy as the victim.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:57:39am

re: #342 lawhawk

Mueller isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. This makes it clear that we’re talking at least two more months before we can even sniff a report being completed:

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All those who thought Mueller was wrapping up in February, and now March have been talking out their ass. The filings make it clear Mueller’s still got a lot of work ahead of him.

He needs to present a case so solid and overwhelming that it cannot be dismissed on any procedural grounds or overlooked as irrelevant.

He needs to force the GOP to either move to impeach DT or to appear complicit and enabling in his crimes.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:57:41am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 7:58:56am

re: #344 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“If only all those Muslims had been properly armed…” does not seem to be put forth as an argument here.

Wonder why?

“The Muslim worshippers should have been armed.”

Next week:
—Muslim worshippers shoot and kill armed attacker of mosque

“Muslims murdered an innocent protester protesting hateful and violent Muslims, Muslims should be banned.”

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:03:32am
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calochortus  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:08:39am

’ Morning, all. Not of course, good morning. I’m reaching the “I can’t even” stage. What were these (and particularly that) idiots thinking?
My heart breaks for the victims, their families, friends and community.

That is all.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:13:46am

Here’s an interesting side note to all of this. The last non-American mass shooting incident that I think compares with Christchurch is Breivik and that was in 2011.

EIGHT YEARS AGO.

And here in America we can’t even go eight WEEKS between mass shootings.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:14:10am

re: #342 lawhawk

Anyone who’s paid any attention to history should recognize that special counsel investigations have a tendency to last more than two short years…

edit - gack, homonym/irregular verb brain-barf

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:15:19am

re: #180 Teukka

(Sings) There’s no hiding place down here!

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:18:28am

re: #354 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Anyone who’s payed any attention to history should recognize that special counsel investigations have a tendency to last more than two short years…

Anyone who’s paid attention would also know that Mueller’s uncovered more criminal wrongdoing than any of the prior special counsel investigations.

And those indicted include dozens of Russian companies/individuals as foreign agents.

It doesn’t include the Cohen saga and all the spinoff investigations either.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:19:49am

re: #351 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

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“Controversies.” They were worshiping peacefully you ass. You wouldn’t say that if a non Christian shot up a church.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:20:28am

Those videos are still out there. I just found five in about two minutes of Googling.

sigh…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:20:32am

re: #353 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s an interesting side note to all of this. The last non-American mass shooting incident that I think compares with Christchurch is Breivik and that was in 2011.

EIGHT YEARS AGO.

And here in America we can’t even go eight WEEKS between mass shootings.

And Christchurch is further from Norway than it is here. But yeah you are right.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:21:08am

I’m not going to watch. I can’t give them that sanctification and I think it’s disrespectful to the dead and their families that I watch their last moments on Earth.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:24:51am

re: #353 Eclectic Cyborg

Here’s an interesting side note to all of this. The last non-American mass shooting incident that I think compares with Christchurch is Breivik and that was in 2011.

EIGHT YEARS AGO.

And here in America we can’t even go eight WEEKS between mass shootings.

I recall reading that more Muslims die from Muslim terrorists than non-Muslims.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:25:31am

re: #315 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s Friday, so is it Mueller time again?

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I got a bit of a break to try to get caught up a bit.

Rachel Maddow did a pretty extensive report on the “Fake” Steele dossier last night and I wasn’t able to pay close attention, but it sounded like she was making a point by point rundown of how it really is very factual, etc.

I wonder if Trump watched or heard about it and that is why he is out again using tweets to try to play it down.

If only our Orange Piggy President would spend as much time being a president as he does watching for how TV is talking about him…

Nah, he’d still be a mess.

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Interesting Times  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:25:59am

re: #360 HappyWarrior

I’m not going to watch. I can’t give them that sanctification and I think it’s disrespectful to the dead and their families that I watch their last moments on Earth.

Completely understand, though I can’t help but have mixed feelings about the video. There’s a part of me that wants to force, Clockwork-Orange-eyes-propped-open style, all the mealy-mouth “both-siderists” who make excuses for white supremacy to watch.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:27:22am

re: #363 Interesting Times

Completely understand, though I can’t help but have mixed feelings about the video. There’s a part of me that wants to force, Clockwork-Orange-eyes-propped-open style, all the mealy-mouth “both-siderists” who make excuses for white supremacy to watch.

You can’t discount the possibility that they wouldn’t mind watching.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:29:17am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:31:35am

re: #365 lawhawk

The only people who will work for Trump are those with no reputation to ruin…

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:34:10am

re: #365 lawhawk

[And they’ll still be working to reelect a racist bigot.]

Trump didn’t start the Wht Supr movement, But he is a tumor that is its greatest symptom right now. Excising that tumor won’t be a cure, but it would be a big help.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:34:16am

re: #338 lawhawk

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That’s Laura Ingraham’s brother… and he’s calling her out in no uncertain terms.

Whoa.

Between this family feud and the one between Rep Paul Gosar and his family, I wonder how many other families are split over wingnuts and normal people in the family that have to excuse the wingnut for being over-the-top, and need to either stay away from them or cut them off completely.

I bet the number would be stunning.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:38:00am

re: #358 Eclectic Cyborg

Those videos are still out there. I just found five in about two minutes of Googling.

sigh…

The internet is forever. They won’t go away.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:38:19am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Whoa.

Between this family feud and the one between Rep Paul Gosar and his family, I wonder how many other families are split over wingnuts and normal people in the family that have to excuse the wingnut for being over-the-top, and need to either stay away from them or cut them off completely.

I bet the number would be stunning.

George and Kellyanne Conway…

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:42:21am

re: #351 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Michele: Out of the Closet and into the fire
@BubbleheadII
Screw you asshole. He killed those people because they were Muslim immigrants. Not because he had a “legal” beef with them. Saying anything else is openly supporting white nationalism. But that’s not anything new with you is it?

Your comment makes me want to add a point to it.

Saying it was because the Muslim immigrants is correct, but what part does religion play in much of this?

People of one religion hating people of another religion is a big part of it too.

When it comes to Muslims, I wonder if religion is as big a cause for the pure hate as is people being different in lifestyle, traditions, cultures, economic power, etc.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:42:26am
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:42:58am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Whoa.

Between this family feud and the one between Rep Paul Gosar and his family, I wonder how many other families are split over wingnuts and normal people in the family that have to excuse the wingnut for being over-the-top, and need to either stay away from them or cut them off completely.

I bet the number would be stunning.

Fox News is a fucking cancer on society.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:44:00am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Whoa.

Between this family feud and the one between Rep Paul Gosar and his family, I wonder how many other families are split over wingnuts and normal people in the family that have to excuse the wingnut for being over-the-top, and need to either stay away from them or cut them off completely.

I bet the number would be stunning.

Never suspect a whole family based on the actions [incl. words] of one. Nor a whole town, nor state, nor profession, nor……….

If I was like some in my family, town, profession, I’d be the biggest jerk still allowed to post here. That bar is not as high as it used to be, but still lets jerks in. Which is OK, if kept in check.

LGF could teach @ jack some things, but jack doesn’t care enough about those things to listen.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:44:30am

re: #368 ObserverArt

Whoa.

Between this family feud and the one between Rep Paul Gosar and his family, I wonder how many other families are split over wingnuts and normal people in the family that have to excuse the wingnut for being over-the-top, and need to either stay away from them or cut them off completely.

Only slightly related, a while back I looked up an old buddy I hung out with in High School, not a close buddy or anything, who went off to join the Army and we lost touch.

I had one look at his FB timeline with all its pro-gun and anti-Obama postings and decided not to bother…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:45:27am

re: #372 MsJ

Beto O’Rourke: ‘Beyond the Shadow of a Doubt’ That Trump Tried to Collude with Russia and Obstruct Justice

BETO JOINS PARTISAN WITCH HUNT!!!11ty

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:46:34am

re: #235 Barefoot Grin

[Embedded content]

“Jexodus” O_o

there’s already a word for Jewish exodus…it’s Exodus.

Junior Moron can just go take a seat

(edited for accuracy)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:47:17am

re: #372 MsJ

[Embedded content]

I think it’s pretty obvious too.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:47:39am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Jexodus” O_o

there’s already a word for Jewish exodus…it’s Exodus.

Junior can just go take a seat

Jarexodus!!!

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:47:44am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:48:02am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Jexodus” O_o

there’s already a word for Jewish exodus…it’s Exodus.

Junior can just go take a seat

That wasn’t Junior. That was the original article. His dear old Dad.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:49:06am
383
Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:49:08am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Jexodus” O_o

there’s already a word for Jewish exodus…it’s Exodus.

Junior can just go take a seat

That’s daddy’s quote, not juniors.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:49:24am

re: #371 ObserverArt

Your comment makes me want to add a point to it.

Saying it was because the Muslim immigrants is correct, but what part does religion play in much of this?

People of one religion hating people of another religion is a big part of it too.

When it comes to Muslims, I wonder if religion is as big a cause for the pure hate as is people being different in lifestyle, traditions, cultures, economic power, etc.

Good point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:50:17am

re: #381 HappyWarrior

That wasn’t Junior. That was the original article. His dear old Dad.

fixed
thanks…been up most of the night because of the storm.

need more coffee…

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:50:45am

re: #371 ObserverArt

Your comment makes me want to add a point to it.

Saying it was because the Muslim immigrants is correct, but what part does religion play in much of this?

People of one religion hating people of another religion is a big part of it too.

When it comes to Muslims, I wonder if religion is as big a cause for the pure hate as is people being different in lifestyle, traditions, cultures, economic power, etc.

Religion is just another tool for tyranists, unless it’s kept out of their hands.

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danarchy  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:50:54am

re: #210 Ming5000

I am not going to click on any more Raw Story articles like this:

Cable news, and CNN is a major culprit, thrives on these insincere panels that include nut jobs just for the fireworks.
Then, the news feeds post articles about “Fireworks!” for the clicks…..

This is not helping make anyone more informed and is another toxic internet disease making democracy weaker.

I don’t click on any Raw Story articles, all they do is steal stories from legitimate news sources, sprinkle in their own bias, and add a click-baity headline. The whole site is trash.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:51:46am

Local News: One of the many things I get with my Ring Doorbell is Neighborhood Watch. It informs me (and others) of incidents going on in the area. After reading about the horrible shooting in New Zealand, and everyone being on a heighten state of alert, a local middle school Woodrow Wilson is currently in lockdown. This school is a mile from my house in NE Philly. I hope everything ends peacefully.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:52:31am

re: #383 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That’s daddy’s quote, not juniors.

There’s the dumb one, the dumber one, and the dumbest one…which one is which depends on who’s been in the media most recently. The most recent one is always the dumbest.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:52:33am

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:52:50am

re: #385 Backwoods_Sleuth

fixed
thanks…been up most of the night because of the storm.

need more coffee…

Hey all good. It really shows how illiterate he is in the Bible doesn’t it?

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:53:37am

re: #387 danarchy

I don’t click on any Raw Story articles, all they do is steal stories from legitimate news sources, sprinkle in their own bias, and add a click-baity headline. The whole site is trash.

I agree with you.

I don’t often, IIRC.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:53:50am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

“It’s a black man with an AR-15! Shoot him!”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:54:03am

re: #389 Sufficient unto the day…

There’s the dumb one, the dumber one, and the dumbest one…which one is which depends on who’s been in the media most recently. The most recent one is always the dumbest.

My Aunt had a great one about how to tell them apart. I forget the exact deets lol but it was pretty spot on.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:54:57am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

[Embedded content]

Requiring gun ownership is stupid. Requiring owning an AR-15 is criminal.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:55:07am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

[Embedded content]

I’ve said it before that at the rate we’ve been going, mandatory gun ownership was more likely to come to pass than meaningful gun control.

I didn’t even mean it literally though. What the fuck.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:55:14am

re: #393 Belafon

“It’s a black man with an AR-15! Shoot him!”

These fucking people. This is why I fucking hate guns.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:56:21am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

When I was a kid, there was a made-for-tv movie about a town that required everyone to carry. I don’t remember much, though I do remember that one of the things the focused on was people who didn’t have any training attempting to use the gun for self-defense. I partially remember that the ending was some really bad shooting occurred that caused the town to revoke it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:57:39am

re: #398 Belafon

When I was a kid, there was a made-for-tv movie about a town that required everyone to carry. I don’t remember much, though I do remember that one of the things the focused on was people who didn’t have any training attempting to use the gun for self-defense. I partially remember that the ending was some really bad shooting occurred that caused the town to revoke it.

Was it that town in Georgia?

400
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 8:59:21am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

[Embedded content]

And uh, who the hell pays for all those AR-15s?

401
Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:00:42am

re: #380 MsJ

That should be worth about five whiny potus tweets.

402
HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:01:48am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

And uh, who the hell pays for all those AR-15s?

Yeah we don’t have enough money to give every child health care but we do to help the firearms industry out. Fuck. These people aren’t capitalists. They’re cronies of the gun industry.

403
Citizen K  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:01:59am

re: #400 Eclectic Cyborg

And uh, who the hell pays for all those AR-15s?

Clearly it comes out of Social Security. Because guns are the only real security after all. ////////

404
wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:03:11am

re: #398 Belafon

When I was a kid, there was a made-for-tv movie about a town that required everyone to carry. I don’t remember much, though I do remember that one of the things the focused on was people who didn’t have any training attempting to use the gun for self-defense. I partially remember that the ending was some really bad shooting occurred that caused the town to revoke it.

Real life, 1994 NM:

[…]

Originally, the county commission considered an ordinance requiring gun ownership. That got watered down after some locals complained such an ordinance would be as repressive as forbidding gun ownership.

[…]

“Citizens are getting tired of being tossed around and pushed to the limit by regulations,” said Carl Livingston, a county commissioner. “We want the Forest Service to know we’re prepared, even though violence would be a last resort.” At a meeting of the county chamber of commerce recently, Forest Service District Ranger Mike Gardner urged caution. “What are you guys arming against?” he asked. “A .30-.30 won’t do any good against (U.S. government) Bradley fighting vehicles and attack helicopters.”

405
HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:05:31am

re: #403 Citizen K

Clearly it comes out of Social Security. Because guns are the only real security after all. ////////

I think Social Security is only paid for on a federal level but this would come out of people’s health care, educations, and infrastructure. Keep on voting for Republicans, Missouri, this is how little they regard your welfare as a citizen.

406
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:08:53am

Honestly, I’d be happy to get my ass arrested for refusing to own an AR-15.

DAMN happy.

407
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:09:31am

re: #380 MsJ

Jeb Bush says Trump should face a Republican primary challenger

Jebsodus!!!

408
Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:12:00am

re: #407 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jebsodus!!!

There are millions of Jebs tired of being taken for granted who are ready to make the leap and switch to…uh…something.

409
Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:12:38am

re: #407 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Jebsodus!!!

I’VE DONE MOAR FOR THE JEBS THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENT EVER

410
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:13:44am

Jeb: the Voice of the Burning Bush!!!

411
Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:13:55am

I see Dish Dzousa is already claiming THE MEDIA is making way too much out of this little ole shooting in that country just because it fits THE MEDIA “narrative”.

412
Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:14:05am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

“Why are shootings going up after we required everyone to have a gun? Do we need to authorize more powerful weapons?”

413
Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:14:13am

So, does this mean Trump is now an Antijebite?

414
HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:14:24am

If Jeb feels that way. He should run against him or advise someone who will.

415
wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:14:49am

re: #406 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly, I’d be happy to get my ass arrested for refusing to own an AR-15.

DAMN happy.

That used to be called Non-Violent Direct Action, if you worked at it. Active refusal, not the Passive Resistance of the less-confrontational.

416
mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:15:26am

Oh man, does this bring back memories-Beto O’Rourke was a member of the Cult of the Dead Cow, an early hacktivism group!

reuters.com

417
HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:15:47am

re: #411 Sir John Barron

I see Dish Dzousa is already claiming THE MEDIA is making way too much out of this little ole shooting in that country just because it fits THE MEDIA “narrative”.

When I want a really stupid take, I just look at what DInesh says. It’s usually very stupid and coming from a stupid place.

418
Citizen K  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:16:01am
419
William Lewis  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:16:24am

re: #337 The Vicious Babushka

Tomorrow is Parshat Zachor (the Shabbat before Purim) where everyone is required to attend the Torah reading.

[Embedded content]

They shouldn’t have to close; rather they should be protected by armed guards. I’d be first in line to volunteer if I lived in Christchurch. Because that city’s got a lot of living up to do to get to that name.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:16:41am

This is an interesting thread, but the Sartre quote that Jeet Heer posts is right on about the difference between anti-semites (and other extremists) and those who believe in equality in liberal civil society.

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danarchy  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:18:10am

re: #377 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Jexodus” O_o

there’s already a word for Jewish exodus…it’s Exodus.

Junior Moron can just go take a seat

(edited for accuracy)

You’d think before doing a national TV spot they might put together a better website than this: jexodus.org

422
Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:18:23am

re: #416 mmmirele

Oh man, does this bring back memories-Beto O’Rourke was a member of the Cult of the Dead Cow, an early hacktivism group!

reuters.com

This makes me laugh:

But is the United States ready for O’Rourke’s teenage exploits?

423
Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:19:17am

re: #418 Citizen K

Such transparent very courage

424
MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:20:28am
425
PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:21:28am

re: #421 danarchy

The link is down for maintenance.

426
wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:22:03am

re: #422 Belafon

This makes me laugh:

But is the United States ready for O’Rourke’s teenage exploits?

He’ll clean up his past by photoshopping an ‘L’ into his old band’s name, FLoss.

427
MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:22:42am

Hmmm…

428
mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:23:07am

re: #422 Belafon

The days when you could post a text file full of Scientology’s secret scriptures on a file server in Beijing and bring down China’s internet pipe to the world are long gone. But they were *fun*.

429
danarchy  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:25:51am

re: #425 PhillyPretzel

The link is down for maintenance.

Must have just happened, It was just a page with a big red white and blue star of David, a short one paragraph spiel about how millennial Jews were fed up with “Leftist” democrat policies blah blah blah, a link to a short bio on their spokesmodel Elizabeth Pipko, and a contact us form.

430
PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:29:45am

re: #429 danarchy

It just came up. I liked the maintenance screen better.

431
Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:31:07am

re: #416 mmmirele

Oh man, does this bring back memories-Beto O’Rourke was a member of the Cult of the Dead Cow, an early hacktivism group!

reuters.com

I can think of a lot of young coworkers that will probably find a lot of that cool.

432
ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:33:36am

re: #390 MsJ

Jesus H Fucking Christ.

[Embedded content]

I don’t have the time to dig into it, but I wonder what direct connections there are between this thinking and NRA money to the politicians floating this dangerous legislation?

The NRA needs to be taken out. It is time to make that organization go away. It is for the good of the country. Bury it is history with the knowledge of what it did to this country.

433
ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:34:24am

re: #393 Belafon

“It’s a black man with an AR-15! Shoot him!”

That is not the NRA’s problem. They sold the gun and got what they wanted.

434
ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:37:00am

re: #414 HappyWarrior

If Jeb feels that way. He should run against him or advise someone who will.

No one is clapping for Jeb.

And I think he knows it.

435
Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:40:57am

re: #419 William Lewis

They shouldn’t have to close; rather they should be protected by armed guards. I’d be first in line to volunteer if I lived in Christchurch. Because that city’s got a lot of living up to do to get to that name.

I also see them doing it in solidarity: if they are telling people not to go to Mosques, they are going to stay away from the Temple.

436
NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:07:37am

re: #370 Eclectic Cyborg

George and Kellyanne Conway…

I know I’m not the only poster here who have wingnuts in the family.

437
Ming5000  Mar 16, 2019 • 5:25:07am

re: #387 danarchy

I know I am Cl’d.
Good point. I agree. So, I just deleted the link to Raw Story and will avoid it from now on.


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