Donald Trump and Candace Owens Cited as Inspiration for Horrific New Zealand Terror Attack

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Donald Trump has now inspired another mass murderer to commit horrible crimes, against the people our shameful president demonizes relentlessly.

Another mass murderer. It’s so far beyond disgraceful at this point. This will be Trump’s legacy: hatred and murder.

Don’t let anyone tell you we shouldn’t “politicize” this situation. It’s already politicized, by the most vile and disgusting person ever to occupy the White House. Donald Trump’s hands are covered in blood.

A mass shooting at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday has left an astonishing total of 49 people dead, according to The Associated Press. The shooting was carried out by at least one gunman who posted on online “manifesto” stating white supremacist viewpoints and naming prominent Donald Trump supporter and right-wing American media personality Candace Owens as the person who most inspired him to commit acts of violence.

He also praised Trump himself “as a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose.”

UPDATE at 3/15/19 11:26:09 am by Charles Johnson

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Mike Lamb  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:30:29am

I’ve been reliably informed that you should “lawyer the fuck up” because Covington Catholic.

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rhuarc  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:33:03am

I saw a Tweet, I think, that said unless you understand the internet trolling culture that one shouldn’t comment on this manifesto. I’ve read the clipped parts about Owens and it’s clear that it’s a trolling meme meant to sow discord. In this case, I do think it’s unfair to drag that wretched person’s name into this conversation. There’s a lot more to drag her through the mud about and not try to pin this with her.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:33:44am

Someone else will need to bring it over, but there have been warnings to dig through the manifesto to determine what is real and what is repeating a lot of memes in order to incite fighting amoung the two sides that really has nothing to do with his ideology. His hatred of muslims is real. He’s mentioning of Owens seems to be an attempt to get people arguing with each other rather than about what he’s done.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:34:15am

re: #2 rhuarc

I saw a Tweet, I think, that said unless you understand the internet trolling culture that one shouldn’t comment on this manifesto. I’ve read the clipped parts about Owens and it’s clear that it’s a trolling meme meant to sow discord. In this case, I do think it’s unfair to drag that wretched person’s name into this conversation. There’s a lot more to drag her through the mud about and not try to pin this with her.

This article lays it out well:

bellingcat.com

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:35:07am
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rhuarc  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:35:48am

re: #4 Barefoot Grin

This article lays it out well:

bellingcat.com

Yes, this was what I referencing. I think this author laid it out in a thread of tweets which is where I saw it.

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William Lewis  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:35:52am

re: #1 Mike Lamb

I’ve been reliably informed that you should “lawyer the fuck up” because Covington Catholic.

I would reliably remind her that in the US, truth remains an absolute defense.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:36:16am

The shooting happened one day after Trump talking about the “tough people” on his side not playing it “tough” enough.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:39:58am

re: #8 Eclectic Cyborg

The shooting happened one day after Trump talking about the “tough people” on his side not playing it “tough” enough.

‘His side’ is demonstrably, internationally, white.

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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:40:52am

re: #2 rhuarc

I saw a Tweet, I think, that said unless you understand the internet trolling culture that one shouldn’t comment on this manifesto. I’ve read the clipped parts about Owens and it’s clear that it’s a trolling meme meant to sow discord. In this case, I do think it’s unfair to drag that wretched person’s name into this conversation. There’s a lot more to drag her through the mud about and not try to pin this with her.

re: #4 Barefoot Grin

This article lays it out well:

bellingcat.com

My approach here, especially when it comes to the channer crowd, remains ‘the more you do something ‘ironically’, the less ironic it becomes’. Even if the choice of shout-outs isn’t genuine, it is most likely telling.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:42:01am

re: #2 rhuarc

I saw a Tweet, I think, that said unless you understand the internet trolling culture that one shouldn’t comment on this manifesto. I’ve read the clipped parts about Owens and it’s clear that it’s a trolling meme meant to sow discord. In this case, I do think it’s unfair to drag that wretched person’s name into this conversation. There’s a lot more to drag her through the mud about and not try to pin this with her.

I understand where you’re coming from but she has been an apologist for the worst kinds of nationalism including the Nazis. She needs to own up to her own past behavior and rhetoric here.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:42:48am

re: #10 Citizen K

My approach here, especially when it comes to the channer crowd, remains ‘the more you do something ‘ironically’, the less ironic it becomes’. Even if the choice of shout-outs isn’t genuine, it is most likely telling.

It’s a good point. As Jeet Heer said in the thread I posted, ‘a jokey Nazi is still a Nazi.’

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:44:28am

re: #10 Citizen K

My approach here, especially when it comes to the channer crowd, remains ‘the more you do something ‘ironically’, the less ironic it becomes’. Even if the choice of shout-outs isn’t genuine, it is most likely telling.

And Candece still did say that the Nazis were fine until they invaded Poland. If she still doesn’t see what the hell is wrong with that kind of rhetoric, she’s either a fascist or woefully uneducated to be talking about anything on politics IMO.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:46:14am

She also wants to act like her whole schtick is just telling black people to leave the Democratic Party. That’s not true.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:49:40am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

She also wants to act like her whole schtick is just telling black people to leave the Democratic Party. That’s not true.

It would definitely be harder to pin this on her if she weren’t who she was. But it’s not like white supremacists have needed someone like her before.

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rhuarc  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:50:53am

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I understand where you’re coming from but she has been an apologist for the worst kinds of nationalism including the Nazis. She needs to own up to her own past behavior and rhetoric here.

I don’t disagree which is why I said she’s a wretched person and that there are other things she needs to be called out on.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:51:02am

re: #15 Belafon

It would definitely be harder to pin this on her if she weren’t who she was. But it’s not like white supremacists have needed someone like her before.

I don’t put this on her directly but I do think she fuels right wing bullshit and she has no desire to own up to her part in it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:51:12am

I need a nap…

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:51:37am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:52:08am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:52:51am

re: #19 lawhawk

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He literally tweets about a “Muslim problem” the day that Muslims are killed in cold blood simply for their religion. He needs to go. He needs to be defeated at the ballot box and then jailed. He’s a dangerous bigoted asshole. I’m a dumbass. Thanks Charles.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:53:26am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:53:48am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

No, that tweet’s from 2015.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:53:54am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

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Neither will his suck ups like Ben Shapiro and others. And I don’t want ot hear how Ben Shapiro “doesn’t like” Trump. He may not like Trump but he’s always happy to make excuses for him and “This is why Trump won.” No, Ben, your toxic ideology is why Trump won. You and Trump are more similar than you are different.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:54:45am

re: #23 Charles Johnson

No, that tweet’s from 2015.

Oops, thanks Charles. I try to be accurate. Mea Culpa.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:57:10am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

He literally tweets about a “Muslim problem” the day that Muslims are killed in cold blood simply for their religion. He needs to go. He needs to be defeated at the ballot box and then jailed. He’s a dangerous bigoted asshole. I’m a dumbass. Thanks Charles.

Yeah, sorry about that. The tweet was from 2015 - right after a terror incident in the UK.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:57:49am

re: #26 lawhawk

Yeah, sorry about that. The tweet was from 2015 - right after a terror incident in the UK.

No sweat. It is something he would do isn’t it? He is that tone deaf.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:58:05am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 9:59:12am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:00:04am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:02:29am

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:02:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:06:06am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:06:44am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Fine men.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:07:36am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

He’s the AOC of the moment.

The big thing with Beto is that he is inexperienced and whoever is behind this push (I’m not willing to say it’s only Republicans) is hoping to bait him into making a mistake that derails his campaign.

Fortunately, Beto is smart and I’m hoping was prepared for something like this.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:08:10am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

That actually made me cry. Literally. My very heavy heart hurts so much that any kindness these days seems to make me all weepy.

I’m so blessed to be here.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:08:34am

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

YES!!

These cops are awesome. I love my country.

THAT is how how you do it!

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:08:46am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

Yup. Seems so. And the articles are curious given the lack of curiosity when Trump ran - there was a dearth of stories about Trump’s scams, his bankruptcies, and lack of knowledge about basic governance. The media rather focused on empty podiums than drill deeper on Trump’s decades-long racism and bigotry.

Now, they’re going after Beto (and others coming up).

At same time, we do want all the candidates examined closely so as to avoid another Trump.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:08:53am
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:09:03am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

And it might backfire on them. I think the hacking story posted in the last thread will make him look good to some people who might have looked at others.

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:11:38am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

Are you referring to the CdC article from Reuters? That actually increased Beto’s reputation in my eyes and made me think of better times.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:12:50am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:13:27am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

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Blaming the victims.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:13:36am
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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:07am

re: #1 Mike Lamb

I’ve been reliably informed that you should “lawyer the fuck up” because Covington Catholic.

Just BTW, can anyone opine if Nick Sandmann’s well-publicized (if, in my layman’s opinion, legally shaky) $250M “suit” have any merit to it?
I realize it appears to be merely an overhyped PR exercise/lawyers’-grift, but (even assuming someone is willing to finance this folly as far up the judicial ladder as it can go), what is the likelihood of it ever returning him anything? Other than more undeserved exposure?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:07am

Speaking of Beto. I’ve got a longtime acquaintance who is calling him a neo-liberal posing as anti-establishment. I’m not even going to dignify that with a response. I’m so sick of that shit.

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:08am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I’m generally opposed to hitting people, but this guy Fraser Anning is sorely trying my patience.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:14am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

JFC.

Steve King would be proud.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:31am

And now word’s coming down that Trump’s going to give a speech at 3:30pm EDT.

Odds are it’s going to be word salad time, with a vomitorium of veto, Mueller, and Muslims.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:14:42am

It is an undeniable fact that the entire Right, beginning with the GOP and Fox News, promotes the replacement conspiracy theory the Nazis were chanting about in Charlottesville. Disaffected whites are then easily sucked deeper an deeper into extremism through video links on Youtube and other social media. Eventually, some of them turn into terrorists slaughtering people in Mosques and Synagogues. Here, from the prior thread to make sure that everyone has a chance to see it is seven minutes (if you can stomach watching that long) of Laura Ingraham promoting the replacement conspiracy theory, in which she all but chants the 14 words. huffpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:15:34am

re: #49 lawhawk

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And now word’s coming down that Trump’s going to give a speech at 3:30pm EDT.

Odds are it’s going to be word salad time, with a vomitorium of veto, Mueller, and Muslims.

Yeah but the shooter was “marginalized.”

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:18:32am

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Is it me, or does it seem like the media REALLY wants to find some dirt on Beto O’Rourke? Man, the negative articles are suddenly everywhere.

You would think he is a woman or something.//

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:19:01am

re: #52 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You would think he is a woman or something.//

Well he is a big threat to the supporters of the guy who hated the woman last time. And yes you can interpret that both ways.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:20:23am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:21:09am

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:21:20am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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These people are so hopelessly stupid. I get it guys. Right wingers never do anything wrong because conservatives are perfect in every way. Man what a load of shit.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:23:17am

re: #30 Backwoods_Sleuth

This has the biggest whiff of “be careful what you ask for because you might just get it” to it that I hope it is fulfilled.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:23:32am

re: #52 NO SMOCKING GUN!

You would think he is a woman or something.//

He’s a Democrat and may be a threat to Trump, so of course they do.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:24:29am

So, that 8chan thread the video shooter posted was taken down, but here it still sits in one of my browser tabs (I ended up saving the page). Reading through the comments:

“Sounds fun”
“Best of luck”
“Godspeed”
“Nice shootin Tex”
“OP fucking delivered I just saw him kill so many fucking hajis.”
“Someone better have fucking recorded that shit, it was fucking amazing.”
“That video is so goddamn good.”

etc. etc. etc.

Why does 8chan still exist?!

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:24:40am

Fuller goes on to compare/contrast the NZ mass murderers and some current American politicians, and there’s far more in common than not.

Take Steve King for example (someone who Trump repeatedly lauds).

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:27:18am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:28:19am

re: #60 lawhawk

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Fuller goes on to compare/contrast the NZ mass murderers and some current American politicians, and there’s far more in common than not.

Take Steve King for example (someone who Trump repeatedly lauds).

There really isn’t much difference in how they see the world.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:29:03am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Beto. I’ve got a longtime acquaintance who is calling him a neo-liberal posing as anti-establishment. I’m not even going to dignify that with a response. I’m so sick of that shit.

Send your acquaintance the hacking article.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:30:03am

re: #63 Belafon

Send your acquaintance the hacking article.

Link me. I’m really honestly exhausted with lefty and right wing douches.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:30:38am

re: #49 lawhawk

And now word’s coming down that Trump’s going to give a speech at 3:30pm EDT.

Odds are it’s going to be word salad time, with a vomitorium of veto, Mueller, and Muslims.

There’s been too many words today about something other than Trump.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:31:11am
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:31:35am

re: #64 HappyWarrior

reuters.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:32:59am

re: #67 Belafon

reuters.com

Thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:33:17am

re: #66 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Can’t pardon anyone there asshole.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:33:56am

re: #66 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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The NYAG can indict Trump whenever she wants to.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:34:56am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:35:19am

re: #18 Backwoods_Sleuth

I need a nap…

DEEP STATE NO PRESIDENT DESERVES

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:35:36am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:37:29am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

A hacker? Good. He understands modern technology better than DT.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:37:41am

re: #39 lawhawk

Hi, you must be new here.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:39:10am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:39:15am

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

A hacker? Good. He understands modern technology better than DT.

I still remember him insisting he “understood” cyber which really to me anyhow was another Ted Stevens “a series of tubes” moment.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:40:52am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Beto can have an intelligent conversation with Justin Trudeau. I think the Canadian PM would welcome the change.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:42:23am

re: #78 PhillyPretzel

Beto can have an intelligent conversation with Justin Trudeau. I think the Canadian PM would welcome the change.

I think so too. There’s another thing about Beto that I really like but Beto is a former small business owner. Just like I think one of AOC’s assets is being a former bartender which I think has a lot of interesting skills in itself, I think being a former small business owner is an asset.

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the silent one  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:42:28am

That piece of shit Robert Spencer finally decided to respond to this by putting a pitiful condemnation ( yeah fucking right, like this Genocide denying, and apologist for genocide of the Rohingya people, actually cares that Muslims were slaughtered) by lamenting how this will be used to silence their racist hate mongering bullshit - and then proceeds to list all the attacks Westerners have been killed by Jihadist terror.

Oh boohoo, Poor Robert, of course, they are the real victims in all of this.

We all know as far as his kind are concerned, Muslims cannot be victims, and nothing triggers these people more than Muslims being portrayed sympathetically.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:42:33am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:43:39am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Limbaugh has seen that Alex Jones is much more popular than his sorry ass is with the new generation so this is how he acts. Fuck Limpballs. Fucking pathetic excuse for flesh.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:43:54am

A quote about Beto running for office from dailykos.com:

But what caught my attention immediately was something that he said in the portion of the speech that was aired yesterday on MSNBC. He quipped that “There were 13 candidates in the race right now, and no, he probably couldn’t name them all off the top of his head right now,” which evoked honest laughter. But it was what came immediately afterwards that jolted me. He said something like, “And it really doesn’t matter, because any one of them is far superior to who we have in the White House right now. It doesn’t really matter which one of us you like the most right now, what’s most important is that whomever the eventual candidate is, that we all rally around that candidate, because that’s the only way that we can win in 2020.”

Think about that for a minute. On his first day on the campaign trail, not only is Beto O’Rourke acknowledging the simple fact that he may not win, he’s already swearing loyalty to the one that does. And he’s actively planting that seed in the minds of anybody who hears him, regardless of which candidate they currently back and support. And that message is, “Be passionate for the candidate of your choice. But when this is all over, put that passion behind whichever candidate wins the nomination, because that’s the only way we can beat Trump. And Beto O’Rourke is exactly the kind of hopeful, youthful, energizing candidate that these people fell in love with in 2008 and 2012.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:44:26am
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:45:17am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

Stuff it Rush. To quote Linda Bloodworth-Tomlinson the creator of Designing Women, “Fold it into five corners and put it where the sun does not shine.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:45:39am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:45:57am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:46:19am

re: #70 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The NYAG can indict Trump whenever she wants to.

I would die a very happy man if the person who eventually brings down Trump turns out to be a woman.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:46:50am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I think so too. There’s another thing about Beto that I really like but Beto is a former small business owner. Just like I think one of AOC’s assets is being a former bartender which I think has a lot of interesting skills in itself, I think being a former small business owner is an asset.

Having someone around who has actual insight into how certain policies can effect people in real life vs in theory is definitely useful.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:47:41am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope almost every New Zealander on Twitter tears Limbaugh up for that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:48:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:48:45am

re: #86 GlutenFreeJesus

“Dear media,

The NZ shooter’s manifesto is one, big, media-bait game, filled with in-jokes and intentionally ironic references which he hopes you will waste time trying to parse.

Please don’t take the bait.”

Narrator: They’re going to take the bait.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:48:59am

re: #89 KGxvi

Having someone around who has actual insight into how certain policies can effect people in real life vs in theory is definitely useful.

I also think the Democratic Party should be courting small business owners and understanding their concerns too. I’m skeptical towards corporations but small business owners should be a group that we include in our coalition.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:49:22am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

I would die a very happy man if the person who eventually brings down Trump turns out to be a woman.

AG James is also a black woman so that would be double.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:50:00am

sigh

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:50:27am

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve this recurring dream, and I’m not sure who could pull it off in real life, maybe Beto, but it goes like this:

Reporter: Did you hear what Rush said?
Candidate: Rush? No, I never really listened to Rush, I preferred Led Zepplin.
Reporter: No, Rush Limbaugh?
Candidate: Name sounds familiar, wasn’t he a lineman for the Eagles in the 80s?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:50:30am

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Pure poetic justice. :)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:50:49am

re: #83 Belafon

A quote about Beto running for office from dailykos.com:

I read the VF article on Beto and have been reading more about him as a person. I dunno. I definitely see a lot of myself in him. Maybe that’s wishful thinking lol and no I don’t play bass or have any musical talent but I really like that Beto is very much a creative type mind.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:52:33am

re: #96 KGxvi

I’ve this recurring dream, and I’m not sure who could pull it off in real life, maybe Beto, but it goes like this:

Reporter: Did you hear what Rush said?
Candidate: Rush? No, I never really listened to Rush, I preferred Led Zepplin.
Reporter: No, Rush Limbaugh?
Candidate: Name sounds familiar, wasn’t he a lineman for the Eagles in the 80s?

I think Mayor Pete could too. Mayor Pete is in fact younger than Limbaugh’s infamous “White House Dog”, Chelsea Clinton. But yeah I’d like Rush to fade into obscurity and be forced to take the kind of menial job that he belittles to his listeners.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:52:38am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:53:53am

good fucking grief

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:54:53am
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:54:54am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

I also think the Democratic Party should be courting small business owners and understanding their concerns too. I’m skeptical towards corporations but small business owners should be a group that we include in our coalition.

There’s a lot of diversity among small business owners - and depending on how you define “small” their interests might not always align. There’s a big difference between having three employees and thirty employees.

But I do tend to agree with you. I also think we should make it easier for people to start and build businesses - and there’s an argument that Medicare for All or at least a public option, would help on that front because it would allow people to keep insurance while they chase their dream.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:54:58am

“We are determined to protect the American and allied military and civilian personnel from living in fear of unjust prosecution for actions taken to defend our great nation,” Pompeo said.

He said any wrongdoing committed by American personnel would be dealt with in U.S. military and criminal courts.

The visa restrictions would apply to any ICC employee who takes or has taken action “to request or further such an investigation,” Pompeo said.

“These visa restrictions may also be used to deter ICC efforts to pursue allied personnel, including Israelis, without allies’ consent,” he said.

The ICC prosecutor has a pending request to look into possible war crimes in Afghanistan that may involve Americans. The Palestinians have also asked the court to bring cases against Israel.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:55:01am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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Is that why most people don’t think your emergency is worth it. You’re a disgrace. Go away.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:55:01am

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think we are going to need a backhoe to dig our way out of that tweet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:56:38am
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:56:41am

After some thought, I take back what I said near the top. Paste the manifesto everywhere. Let Owens explain why she shouldn’t be on it.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:56:47am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:57:32am

You’d think he could find something supportive to say about New Zealand and shut the fuck up for the rest of the day…but you’d be wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:58:27am

re: #107 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I really hate that pathetic loser.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:58:28am

re: #109 Dave In Austin

There’s only one box, so that’s obviously the one I take.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 10:59:22am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

I really hate that pathetic loser.

There are far too many prominent people these days about whom I can make such a statement.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:02:08am

re: #113 Eclectic Cyborg

There are far too many prominent people these days about whom I can make such a statement.

It’s how smug he is honestly. He thinks he’s this genius because his fans like to talk him off but he is what he is. An above average intellect in the movement that has Jacob Wohl and Donald Trump as prominent members.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:02:44am
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makeitstop  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:03:00am

re: #112 KGxvi

There’s only one box, so that’s obviously the one I take.

I’d take the sullen black one in the back. Every litter seems to have one, and they always tug hardest on my heart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:03:11am
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:03:24am

re: #74 PhillyPretzel

A hacker? Good. He understands modern technology better than DT.

Likely better than anyone in congress. Good.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:06:01am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:07:23am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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He had a spine? Speaking of which, has anyone heard from his most prominent Lizard constituent? Haven’t seen AM in awhile.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:07:31am
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:07:33am

re: #116 makeitstop

I’d take the sullen black one in the back. Every litter seems to have one, and they always tug hardest on my heart.

Me, too. My first dog was the runt of a litter of Westies that the breeder (a friend) gave us. Sweetest thing.

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Deep State SuperElite Satinist  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:11:04am

re: #120 HappyWarrior

He had a spine? Speaking of which, has anyone heard from his most prominent Lizard constituent? Haven’t seen AM in awhile.

He’s been mainly commenting at Wonkette these days, under his real (first) name.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:12:03am

it’s one of those days…

Dr appointment at 7 AM. In the waiting room. TV shows clips of New Zealand. Guy sits next to me and says, “You know what the real problem is? He didn’t mow down enough of those sand N-WORDS”.

Looked that cracker right in the face and told him he better be glad I don’t have a flaming cross because i’d shove it up his cracker ass…

I truly hate that son of a CENSORED in the Oval Office for letting hatred run unchecked.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:12:05am

I was just reminded that today is the Ides of March.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:12:56am

re: #124 Joe Bacon 🌹

I applaud your restraint. I probably would have punched that dude.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:13:03am

re: #123 Deep State SuperElite Satinist

He’s been mainly commenting at Wonkette these days, under his real (first) name.

Ah ok. Hope all is well. We’ve had our disagreements but I don’t bear him ill will.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:13:38am

re: #116 makeitstop

I’d take the sullen black one in the back. Every litter seems to have one, and they always tug hardest on my heart.

You and me both! That little doll has my heart.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:13:50am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:13:55am

re: #125 PhillyPretzel

I was just reminded that today is the Ides of March.

Really need to cheer up.

The Ides Of March - Vehicle

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:14:14am

re: #124 Joe Bacon 🌹

it’s one of those days…

Dr appointment at 7 AM. In the waiting room. TV shows clips of New Zealand. Guy sits next to me and says, “You know what the real problem is? He didn’t mow down enough of those sand N-WORDS”.

Looked that cracker right in the face and told him he better be glad I don’t have a flaming cross because i’d shove it up his cracker ass…

I truly hate that son of a CENSORED in the Oval Office for letting hatred run unchecked.

I hate that they feel comfortable saying it to strangers.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:15:55am
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:16:32am

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg

I applaud your restraint. I probably would have punched that dude.

I would also be telling the people in the doctors office.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:16:55am

re: #129 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yes. I’m pretty frustrated that a lot of lefties fall for this “economic anxiety” bs. It’s not. Trump did better than Clinton among people whose economic lot had improved since 2008. Brexit was more popular in prosperous areas than staying in the EU. And you know what? We do ourselves no favors when we act like the people in those areas had a “right” to feel resentful. They didn’t. Their resentments were their own prejudices. And truthfully even if we do fix class economic problems, we still got other problems that a certain candidate think are just a “distraction.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:19:12am
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:20:00am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:20:23am

re: #135 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have no doubt that we would be leaders on this front if your mother were President, Chelsea.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:22:07am

I don’t rant politically on FB that often but it always warms my heart a little when I see old friends and new along with family members from both sides of my family can see where I’m coming from.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:22:36am

Another shooting caused by hatred. I’m sick of hatred. There’s always going to be differences in people whether that’s how we look or our personalities but isn’t that what makes humanity fascinating. We have so many languages that we speak. So many ways of expressing ourselves musically or otherwise artistically and our foods too. 49 people dead. Why? Because some hateful assholes don’t like that they have to share a country with Muslims

The above is what I posted.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:22:58am

re: #137 HappyWarrior

I have no doubt that we would be leaders on this front if your mother were President, Chelsea.

Pisses me off seeing The Usual Suspects dump on Chelsea with The Usual Shhhhaaavvviiinnnggg Cream!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:24:11am

re: #140 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pisses me off seeing The Usual Suspects dump on Chelsea with The Usual Shhhhaaavvviiinnnggg Cream!

I imagine it’s the usual people left and right too. I’m not a huge fan of Chelsea’s father but I like her mother and herself.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:25:26am

OT The middle school that was in lockdown is now over. The police found some live rounds in a kids backpack. What in heaven’s name is a kid doing with live rounds at school?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:27:10am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I imagine it’s the usual people left and right too. I’m not a huge fan of Chelsea’s father but I like her mother and herself.

Well having been a Federal Civil Servant going back to Ford, I can tell you Bill Clinton did more to back Social Security’s workforce than anyone else.

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BlueGrl21  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:27:31am

re: #83 Belafon

A quote about Beto running for office from dailykos.com:

Everyone here still has their Beto stickers on their cars, saw a rainbow Beto sticker on a car at the local coffee place this morning.

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:27:53am

re: #47 mmmirele

I’m generally opposed to hitting people, but this guy Fraser Anning is sorely trying my patience.

I’ve noticed some people in the replies of his tweets are misspelling his name as Fraser Anjing. (ie “dog”.)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:28:18am

re: #143 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well having been a Federal Civil Servant going back to Ford, I can tell you Bill Clinton did more to back Social Security’s workforce than anyone else.

Good to know. I don’t hate him btw. I just think he was a little too conservative and comcillatory to right wing politics but he was a solid president imo.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:29:05am

re: #144 BlueGrl21

Everyone here still has their Beto stickers on their cars, saw a rainbow Beto sticker on a car at the local coffee place this morning.

I have the rainbow one. I asked for one from someone who was in his campaign, and she said that she and her wife only had the rainbow ones, and I said I had no problem sporting that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:29:54am

re: #144 BlueGrl21

Everyone here still has their Beto stickers on their cars, saw a rainbow Beto sticker on a car at the local coffee place this morning.

Here in Va, Beto’s race got the most attention outside our own on election night at the party I attended. People like Beto. I think the Sanders wing is scared of him getting younger voters.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:30:51am

re: #147 Belafon

I have the rainbow one. I asked for one from someone who was in his campaign, and she said that she and her wife only had the rainbow ones, and I said I had no problem sporting that.

I always let the HRC know I’m proud to be an ally when they call or if I see their volunteers.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:32:33am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:33:43am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

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Now I’m remembering how they portrayed hacking back then haha.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:37:58am

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Maybe they meant literal hacking. Like with a hacksaw.

//

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Interesting Times  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:38:37am
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the silent one  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:41:04am

Looks like Spencer and Geller share a common love for Serbian genocidal war criminals with this mass murderer

aljazeera.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:44:15am

re: #154 the silent one

Looks like Spencer and Geller share a common love for Serbian genocidal war criminals with this mass murderer

aljazeera.com

No shock there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:45:20am
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:45:49am

re: #153 Interesting Times

Yeah, there’s no way he wrote that. Even as tone deaf as “warmest sympathies and best wishes” sounds, there’s no random capitalization, there’s proper grammar and use of punctuation, and “senselessly” is spelled correctly.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:48:45am

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thanks for the couple of minutes of cuteness. :)

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:49:57am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:51:01am

re: #159 lawhawk

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He’s right. They did this under Obama too. Wonder if Tom will endorse anyone for POTUS.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:53:21am

re: #159 lawhawk

The real value of the socialist attack is against centrist Democrats because it’s really about “do you want Nancy Pelosi and AOC in charge?”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:54:46am

re: #161 KGxvi

The real value of the socialist attack is against centrist Democrats because it’s really about “do you want Nancy Pelosi and AOC in charge?”

To which we should point to Kevin McCarthy and Scalise.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:54:48am

re: #161 KGxvi

Pelosi and AOC know what are doing. We need more like them.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:55:09am

I noticed that McSally voted against the emergency disapproval resolution. I can’t imagine that’s going to help her in border counties in Arizona.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:55:57am
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:56:18am

re: #163 PhillyPretzel

Pelosi and AOC know what are doing. We need more like them.

I get that, but it is also not an attack that is meant to move people like us.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:57:22am
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BlueGrl21  Mar 15, 2019 • 11:58:09am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

Here in Va, Beto’s race got the most attention outside our own on election night at the party I attended. People like Beto. I think the Sanders wing is scared of him getting younger voters.

Millennials drove a whole lot of his campaign here. He pulled in a lot of the 40 and younger crowd but he had support across all demographics. His campaign events I attended were very diverse. He and I are the same age.

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sizzzzlerz  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:00:27pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

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We’re talking about the container, right? I’ll take that one!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:02:45pm

re: #168 BlueGrl21

Millennials drove a whole lot of his campaign here. He pulled in a lot of the 40 and younger crowd but he had support across all demographics. His campaign events I attended were very diverse. He and I are the same age.

That’s what I like about him. He’s got broad appeal. You’re both around my cousin’s age. I’m going to talk Beto up to her next time we talk. Beto’s kids are around the same age as hers and he’s a musician too plus she like Beto has a big heart for immigrants and refugees. She does wonderful things in her village in England.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:03:16pm

re: #166 KGxvi

I get that, but it is also not an attack that is meant to move people like us.

Correct. People have been warming to Pelosi that said.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:08:45pm
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Citizen K  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:09:55pm

I’m usually big on JJ MacNab but I definitely think she’s taking the wrong approach here:

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:10:51pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Remember using a hole punch on a 5 1/4 floppy to be able to write the other side?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:11:53pm

re: #174 Belafon

Remember using a hole punch on a 5 1/4 floppy to be able to write the other side?

I actually had a special tool to make that square notch.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:13:50pm
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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:14:55pm

Mood Music (selected to honor the victims in NZ):

Aurora - Hans Zimmer

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Dragonomics  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:15:22pm

This talk of irony in the manifesto is blind to the entirely unironic terrorist attack.

I’m reminded of this article from The Onion. NSFW.

local.theonion.com

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:15:28pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:17:23pm

re: #179 MsJ

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Yeah we need to adapt to this.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:18:44pm

The copy protection hacks were fun. One of the floppy disk tricks was to put a piece of sticky tape on the disk sleeve that stuck out of the drive, then when the boot program tried to read the bad sectors on the disk (the copy protection trick), you’d pull on the tape to cause the drive’s read/write head to sort of skew, and that generated the same kind of disk error and let you copy the disk.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:19:53pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

The copy protection hacks were fun. One of the floppy disk tricks was to put a piece of sticky tape on the disk sleeve that stuck out of the drive, then when the boot program tried to read the bad sectors on the disk (the copy protection trick), you’d pull on the tape to cause the drive’s read/write head to sort of skew, and that generated the same kind of disk error and let you copy the disk.

Only worked about 50% of the time, but it seemed like magic when it did.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:19:58pm

re: #179 MsJ

Not all of those 8 states will be Democratic. But small conservative states having outsized influence will be a problem.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:20:17pm

re: #179 MsJ

Let me guess the eight: California, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts and…Colorado?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:24:49pm

re: #184 Eclectic Cyborg

Let me guess the eight: California, Pennsylvania, Florida, Texas, New York, Illinois, Massachusetts and…Colorado?

I’d say Georgia or North Carolina.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:25:38pm

re: #183 Belafon

Not all of those 8 states will be Democratic. But small conservative states having outsized influence will be a problem.

Big states are getting bigger while small states are staying the same or losing population.

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:27:01pm

Admitting states won’t be a solution because it’s too late to push that through. Democrats are going to have to win in the smaller states.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:27:50pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:29:07pm

oops thisdidn’t get included in the above tweet.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:30:03pm

re: #189 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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oops thisdidn’t get included in the above tweet.

The only controversy is people like you can’t accept Muslims immigrants.

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Interesting Times  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:30:25pm

re: #159 lawhawk

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:30:35pm

re: #177 Teukka

Mood Music (selected to honor the victims in NZ):

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Forgot this addendum:
“Aurora” is dedicated to those who lost their lives and were affected by the tragedy in Aurora, Colorado. I recorded this song in London in the days following the tragedy as a heartfelt tribute to the victims and their families. 100% of the proceeds will be donated to Aurora Victim Relief organization. The track is available on iTunes shortly and you can donate here: bitly.com
— Hans Zimmer

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:34:04pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

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I agree completely. And my experience is the same.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:41:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:42:54pm

re: #194 lawhawk

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Another of Trump’s admirers.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:45:00pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Another of Trump’s admirers.

It’s a liebullir deep cover agent on a missing to make kristian konservatives look bad!

Or something like that…

*smh*

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:46:05pm

re: #193 HappyWarrior

I agree completely. And my experience is the same.

One small quibble is that Republicans have been whining about so-called socialism for far longer than AOC’s voting-age life.

One way or another they have been doing it for at least a century.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:50:48pm

re: #191 Interesting Times

And that’s why she’s so good at what she does.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:51:28pm

re: #153 Interesting Times

#Daughterwife would never do that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:51:47pm

re: #197 EPR-radar

One small quibble is that Republicans have been whining about so-called socialism for far longer than AOC’s voting-age life.

One way or another they have been doing it for at least a century.

I think she agrees but was just pointing that it’s all she’s known as a voter. I definitely lost a lot of respect for McCain when he called Obama a socialist for supporting taxes on the wealthiest 1%.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:53:54pm
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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:54:29pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:55:19pm

re: #187 Belafon

Admitting states won’t be a solution because it’s too late to push that through. Democrats are going to have to win in the smaller states.

Splitting large states and merging small states is a possibility, but highly unlikely as it requires federal and local approval to happen. Also, there’s rarely political will for that.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 12:56:21pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

Man, you gotta invite me over sometime. :P

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:00:06pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:00:08pm

re: #201 The Vicious Babushka

[Rainbow Pie]

I’d have to turn my back and let someone else cut it.

Then turn back around real quick and make sure I got a piece.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:00:17pm

Trump’s tirade is a full on echo of the NZ mass murderer’s manifesto. It’s a full on replay of every other Trump tirade where he attacks immigrants and claims that they’re criminals.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:00:36pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

I actually had a special tool to make that square notch.

Back when I had an Atari ST and a Supra 20 MB(!) hard drive I was mucking around the internals of Minix 1.5. Before switching to the ST, I did some hacking with the Motorola MicroChroma evaluation board, then some COSMAC CDP1802 weirdness - getting Forth to run was always such fun….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:01:27pm

re: #205 The Vicious Babushka

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No, you don’t. You’re ignoring the majority of the people because your vanity wall is a sham.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:01:42pm
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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:02:14pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

He doesn’t feel threatened by it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:02:32pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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Of course. Fucking enabler.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:02:49pm

re: #211 Belafon

He doesn’t feel threatened by it.

Because it doesn’t threaten him or his interests.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:04:03pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

[I think it’s a small group of people.]

I think it’s a small, pale, group of people.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:07:57pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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“Very fine people”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:09:07pm

re: #207 lawhawk

Trump’s tirade is a full on echo of the NZ mass murderer’s manifesto. It’s a full on replay of every other Trump tirade where he attacks immigrants and claims that they’re criminals.

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it’s not technically “capturing” people when they present themselves for asylum

I really hate these asshats

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:09:17pm

re: #116 makeitstop

I’d take the sullen black one in the back. Every litter seems to have one, and they always tug hardest on my heart.

I saw that little one too, thought the same immediately. I bet he would make a fine friend and be chill the whole time.

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Jebediah, RBG  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:09:52pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

I consider myself somewhat jaded and cynical, but whoa. Holy shit.

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:12:31pm

re: #218 Jebediah, RBG

I consider myself somewhat jaded and cynical, but whoa. Holy shit.

The hard truth is that Hitler-style hard-right evil didn’t end in a bunker in 1945. It just went undercover, waiting for a chance to openly propagate itself again.

That chance has clearly come.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:12:35pm

re: #216 Backwoods_Sleuth

it’s not technically “capturing” people when they present themselves for asylum

I really hate these asshats

Trump deals in absolutes.

Every brown person who shows up at the border is a criminal.

Every brown person who shows up at the border is “captured”

Every brown person who shows up at the border is an “illegal immigrant”

Any progressive politician is an “open borders, Pelosi loving socialist”

Anyone who helps with Muellers investigation is a liar and a fraud.

Anyone who works in media is an “enemy of the people”.

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sagehen  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:12:36pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

I think it’s a small, pale, group of people.

Who will suffer far more from global warming than will the melanin-enhanced populations…

THEY’RE WITCHES BURN THEM

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:12:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:13:39pm

re: #210 Charles Johnson

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a small group of people…his people

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:16:21pm

NO!

Shooter at Century City Mall in Los Angeles!

losangeles.cbslocal.com

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:18:39pm

re: #222 Charles Johnson

Trump won the 2016 GOP primary by being more blatantly bigoted than any other Republican contender.

This is just one of the many facts of American politics the mainstream media carefully ignores. Indeed, there is an entire troop of 800-lb gorillas the media pretends don’t exist.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:22:11pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

The hard truth is that Hitler-style hard-right evil didn’t end in a bunker in 1945. It just went undercover, waiting for a chance to openly propagate itself again.

That chance has clearly come.

Adam Serwer’s Atlantic article today is really eye-opening. I knew that the US immigration and race politics was in some ways an inspiration for Nazis and later South Africa, but I didn’t realize the extent. ‘America the incubator’ is still valid.

theatlantic.com

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:22:26pm

re: #189 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

oops thisdidn’t get included in the above tweet.

Another steaming, reeking Gohmert Pile.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:23:21pm
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William Lewis  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:23:25pm

re: #208 Eric The Fruit Bat

Back when I had an Atari ST and a Supra 20 MB(!) hard drive I was mucking around the internals of Minix 1.5. Before switching to the ST, I did some hacking with the Motorola MicroChroma evaluation board, then some COSMAC CDP1802 weirdness - getting Forth to run was always such fun….

MInix was fun as was the 386BSD project of William Jolitz in Dr Dobbs Journal. Linux would steal a lot of that thunder but that was a hell of a fun ride.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:26:35pm

re: #226 Barefoot Grin

Adam Serwer’s Atlantic article today is really eye-opening. I knew that the US immigration and race politics was in some ways an inspiration for Nazis and later South Africa, but I didn’t realize the extent. ‘America the incubator’ is still valid.

theatlantic.com

Nazi eugenics was inspired by the American movement and laws passed in various states. Don’t know if he mentioned that—haven’t read the article yet.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:27:59pm

re: #218 Jebediah, RBG

I consider myself somewhat jaded and cynical, but whoa. Holy shit.

It’s a small thing, but the terrorist is an Australian citizen, not a New Zealander.

It’s here that he will rot in a cell forever though.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:30:58pm

re: #230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nazi eugenics was inspired by the American movement and laws passed in various states. Don’t know if he mentioned that—haven’t read the article yet.

Nazis cribbed ritual stuff from the Klan, too.

Night marches and torch rallies.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:31:48pm

re: #230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Nazi eugenics was inspired by the American movement and laws passed in various states. Don’t know if he mentioned that—haven’t read the article yet.

Yes, briefly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:35:17pm

mealymouthed moron

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:35:59pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:36:42pm

JFC

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:38:03pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

mealymouthed moron

[We love you New Zealand!]

KEEP YOUR HANDS TO YOURSELF!

*pulls heavy black coat tighter*

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:38:18pm

re: #226 Barefoot Grin

Adam Serwer’s Atlantic article today is really eye-opening. I knew that the US immigration and race politics was in some ways an inspiration for Nazis and later South Africa, but I didn’t realize the extent. ‘America the incubator’ is still valid.

theatlantic.com

I don’t think I’ll ever forget that bit in the article about a Nazi lawyer studying Jim Crow for inspiration saying the American ‘one-drop’ rule on racial definitions was too harsh to be used by the Third Reich.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:40:06pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:40:24pm

re: #224 Joe Bacon 🌹

NO!

Shooter at Century City Mall in Los Angeles!

losangeles.cbslocal.com

Unconfirmed report of a man with a gun. Let’s not assume the worst here.

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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:40:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:41:20pm

re: #238 EPR-radar

I don’t think I’ll ever forget that bit in the article about a Nazi lawyer studying Jim Crow for inspiration saying the American ‘one-drop’ rule on racial definitions was too harsh to be used by the Third Reich.

well, yeah…that one drop rule might have been a little bit embarrassing for Hitler and a few of his homies

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:41:56pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

Contrast the response of the Rabbi to that of Bryan Fischer.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:42:26pm

re: #211 Belafon

He doesn’t feel threatened by it.

They are his supporters.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:44:22pm

re: #226 Barefoot Grin

Adam Serwer’s Atlantic article today is really eye-opening. I knew that the US immigration and race politics was in some ways an inspiration for Nazis and later South Africa, but I didn’t realize the extent. ‘America the incubator’ is still valid.

theatlantic.com

I’m reading. This is very eye opening.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:44:42pm

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

They are his supporters.

They are his base.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:44:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:46:04pm

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

mealymouthed moron

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You can be of assistance by strongly repudiating bigotry and apologizing for being one.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:46:22pm
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lawhawk  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:46:24pm

This is the insanity that Hoft is spreading - an OANN nutter:

That’s $266 million out of the pockets of the people being smuggled. That’s not money costing Americans a dime. These are people so desperate to come to the US that they’re willing to do anything.

Why do they want to come here? Because Trump and right wing dirtbags want to shit all over them and treat them like second class citizens.

No, the reason why is because they believe in the best of the US and of us, and are coming here to better their lives and those of their children. They’re coming to escape depravity and persecution and failed states like Venezuela. They’re coming and seeking asylum is legal immigration.

Immigration is what made the US what it is today (including forced immigration aka slavery), and there’s always been bigots who seek to stop anyone who didn’t look or sound like them to come after the prior wave of immigrants (like trying to keep Asians out, Irish, Eastern Europeans, Jews, etc.).

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:46:26pm

You know, there’s pretty much a long-term project to pretend that the Nazis weren’t a natural progression on a line from the logic of white supremacy and colonialism.

And if I’m really feeling dickish, the Soviet Union’s horrors weren’t exactly out of nowhere either….

But that would require a level of examination about the The Enemy isn’t really our opposite….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:47:00pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:52:28pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

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One of the co-signers:

Veronica Escobar (TX-16)

She’s in Beto’s old seat. Previously, she was an immigration judge.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:54:40pm

re: #230 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

re: #226 Barefoot Grin

Adam Serwer’s Atlantic article today is really eye-opening. I knew that the US immigration and race politics was in some ways an inspiration for Nazis and later South Africa, but I didn’t realize the extent. ‘America the incubator’ is still valid.

theatlantic.com

Nazi eugenics was inspired by the American movement and laws passed in various states. Don’t know if he mentioned that—haven’t read the article yet.

A good piece, but I think Serwer condenses the concept a bit: Myself, I think the case is more that “White Supremacy”, then as now, is more of a pan-national/supra-national movement: that the high-minded intellectualization of racism (and its introduction into countries’ immigration/citizenship legal systems) which began in the late 19th Century wasn’t so much a matter of one country “inspiring” another, but of all the racially-based enactments stemming from a single pool of sources: each nation adopting whatever principles they thought would fly with the (white) citizenry.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:57:17pm
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:57:59pm

re: #254 Jay C

A good piece, but I think Serwer condenses the concept a bit: Myself, I think the case is more that “White Supremacy”, then as now, is more of a pan-national/supra-national movement: that the high-minded intellectualization of racism (and its introduction into countries’ immigration/citizenship legal systems) which began in the late 19th Century wasn’t so much a matter of one country “inspiring” another, but of all the racially-based enactments stemming from a single pool of sources: each nation adopting whatever principles they thought would fly with the (white) citizenry.

“White” changes definition as needed to either maintain or disrupt the status quo.

It really doesn’t mean anything except “us.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:58:28pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

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oh, look…Pence has tiny hands, too.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2019 • 1:58:51pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Why does he always have the same cast of white cops at his signings? Can’t Central Casting come up with some new faces?

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:01:32pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

Why does he always have the same cast of white cops at his signings? Can’t Central Casting come up with some new faces?

Because when you’ve only got the support of 35% of the country, there’s only so many people willing to get their picture taken with you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:01:42pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

Why does he always have the same cast of white cops at his signings? Can’t Central Casting come up with some new faces?

No one else wants to be anywhere near him.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:01:57pm

re: #256 The Ghost of Quesos Past

“White” changes definition as needed to either maintain or disrupt the status quo.

It really doesn’t mean anything except “us.”

And ‘them’ can be the other color, religion, gender(s), preference of economic system, whatever fits the needs of the moment.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:02:34pm

re: #258 Skip Intro

Why does he always have the same cast of white cops at his signings? Can’t Central Casting come up with some new faces?

And the Angel Moms, a group that’s organized by people connected to the John Tanton breed of white nationalists. He hauls them out every time, like a fascist floor show. It’s a grotesque nightmare parody of how a president should act.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:03:37pm

re: #262 Charles Johnson

And the Angel Moms, a group that’s organized by people connected to the John Tanton breed of white nationalists. He hauls them out every time, like a fascist floor show. It’s a grotesque nightmare parody of how a president should act.

From the same people who scream “DON’T POLITICIZE THIS TRAGEDY!” when the shooter is a white guy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:06:40pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:08:46pm

food break:

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:08:56pm

You feel bad for their loss but to be honest the whole thing is pretty much the exact same crap that was used to incite hatred and violence against Jews in the Russian Empire and as Charles has noted, the whole Angel Moms group is connected to white nationalists.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:09:22pm

or this:

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Marsupial  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:10:14pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

Atari hackers group?!? I was in a pretty small Apple hackers group (c. 1983; I’m talking Apple II computers) that had the support of a lot of our high school faculty. Things were slightly different then.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:10:18pm

re: #261 wrenchwench

And sometimes some of “us” becomes “them.”

Hence stuff like white trash…or “Hillbilly Elegy”…or any thinkpiece where suddenly poor, suffering whites needs to be told how fucked up their culture is or how entitled they are.

Whiteness exists to scam most “whites” by giving them symbolic victories and tiny material gains temporarily, while they do the heavy lifting of fucking over the non-whites…but in the end-game those “whites” will be cut out of real gains and ruled undeserving if they push for it.

This is why the largest governmental implementation of white fascism ended with the Nero Order. This is why white fascist groups have no internal loyalty. Built into the system is clawing up the hierarchy by rendering colleagues less white (or less Nazi, in the case of the internal intrigue of the NSDAP state).

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Marsupial  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:13:12pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

We had a little cardboard contraption that we put the disk into so it lined up just the right spot (& depth!) to make the hole. If you nicked the disk itself it was game over!

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:16:26pm

re: #247 DodgerFan1988

This is what happens when you’re white nationalist-adjacent. I’m hoping this diminishes PewDiePie.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:16:33pm

re: #269 The Ghost of Quesos Past

And sometimes some of “us” becomes “them.”

Hence stuff like white trash…or “Hillbilly Elegy”…or any thinkpiece where suddenly poor, suffering whites needs to be told how fucked up their culture is or how entitled they are.

Whiteness exists to scam most “whites” by giving them symbolic victories and tiny material gains temporarily, while they do the heavy lifting of fucking over the non-whites…but in the end-game those “whites” will be cut out of real gains and ruled undeserving if they push for it.

This is why the largest governmental implementation of white fascism ended with the Nero Order. This is why white fascist groups have no internal loyalty. Built into the system is clawing up the hierarchy by rendering colleagues less white (or less Nazi, in the case of the internal intrigue of the NSDAP state).

I’ve often thought ‘Trailer Trash’ was intended to elicit; ‘At least I’m white!’

The selection process usually includes money. If you got a lot, you must be deserving, if you fulfill the proper other criteria.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:16:48pm

re: #269 The Ghost of Quesos Past

And sometimes some of “us” becomes “them.”

Hence stuff like white trash…or “Hillbilly Elegy”…or any thinkpiece where suddenly poor, suffering whites needs to be told how fucked up their culture is or how entitled they are.

Whiteness exists to scam most “whites” by giving them symbolic victories and tiny material gains temporarily, while they do the heavy lifting of fucking over the non-whites…but in the end-game those “whites” will be cut out of real gains and ruled undeserving if they push for it.

This is why the largest governmental implementation of white fascism ended with the Nero Order. This is why white fascist groups have no internal loyalty. Built into the system is clawing up the hierarchy by rendering colleagues less white (or less Nazi, in the case of the internal intrigue of the NSDAP state).

See also: Night of the Long Knives, where Hitler and Himmler decided to consolidate power amongst their own little cabal by declaring the SA full of “degenerates and homosexuals” in order to justify wiping out their leadership and forcing the foot soldiers to either join the SS or be carted off to “reeducation camps.”

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mmmirele  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:20:11pm

re: #266 HappyWarrior

You feel bad for their loss but to be honest the whole thing is pretty much the exact same crap that was used to incite hatred and violence against Jews in the Russian Empire and as Charles has noted, the whole Angel Moms group is connected to white nationalists.

Yup. My congressman, Andy Biggs, regularly trots out Angel Families and I just as regularly tell him that while I am sorry for their loss, I’m tired of the propaganda. I think I’ll add the words “white nationalist” in future.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:20:34pm

re: #272 wrenchwench

I’ve often thought ‘Trailer Trash’ was intended to elicit; ‘At least I’m white!’

The selection process usually includes money. If you got a lot, you must be deserving, if you fulfill the proper other criteria.

Even amongst the wealthy there is a hierarchy where you can “lower” or “higher” based upon criteria that is totally fabricated. Donny can attest because he’s spent his whole life trying to get in with the “upper crust” of the NYC rich community and found nothing but scorn and derision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:20:41pm

jeebus

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:21:47pm

Serwer’s article puts a lot in perspective for me. My grandmother’s own mother emigrated in 1921 from modern day Slovakia. A few years later restrictive quotas on immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe were implemented. If she had been a few years younger, I may not be here right now. And i guess that’s what gets me when I see people with names like Cernovich, Posoeblec, among others being the biggest champions of the new nativism. I don’t know their story but I know my story.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:22:16pm

re: #274 mmmirele

Yup. My congressman, Andy Biggs, regularly trots out Angel Families and I just as regularly tell him that while I am sorry for their loss, I’m tired of the propaganda. I think I’ll add the words “white nationalist” in future.

Exactly.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:22:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:24:22pm
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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:27:22pm

re: #277 HappyWarrior

Serwer’s article puts a lot in perspective for me. My grandmother’s own mother emigrated in 1921 from modern day Slovakia. A few years later restrictive quotas on immigrants from Eastern and Southern Europe were implemented. If she had been a few years younger, I may not be here right now. And i guess that’s what gets me when I see people with names like Cernovich, Posoeblec, among others being the biggest champions of the new nativism. I don’t know their story but I know my story.

They probably don’t know their story either. They’re the sorts for whom history began the day they were born.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:32:28pm

re: #281 KGxvi

They probably don’t know their story either. They’re the sorts for whom history began the day they were born.

They were told the same story that every descendant of white immigrants was: “Your family came over in the perfectly legal fashion and became Americans, which is why you’re so much better than all those ignorant and filthy foreigners who want to come here and take our jobs and tax dollars.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:33:20pm

re: #281 KGxvi

They probably don’t know their story either. They’re the sorts for whom history began the day they were born.

You’re probably right about that. Look at Tomi Lahren being judgmental as hell to undocumented immigrants given what happened with her own second great grandfather.

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:33:51pm

So, the House is in recess next week. I wonder how many Republican district offices are going to see protests/demonstrations in support of overriding the veto? And if that’ll change anything.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:34:59pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

They were told the same story that every descendant of white immigrants was: “Your family came over in the perfectly legal fashion and became Americans, which is why you’re so much better than all those ignorant and filthy foreigners who want to come here and take our jobs and tax dollars.”

I am certain they probably got that narrative. That’s the thing with white America. We’re convinced self-righteously that ours did it right. Thankfully there are genealogists out there that are happy to show people like Tomi Lahren, Donald Trump, and to a smaller extent John Kelly (I won’t fault his grandfather for onlt speaking Italian after being in the country a long time as it’s not a crime like waht Lahren and Trump’s ancestors did.).

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KGxvi  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:34:59pm

re: #282 Targetpractice

They were told the same story that every descendant of white immigrants was: “Your family came over in the perfectly legal fashion and became Americans, which is why you’re so much better than all those ignorant and filthy foreigners who want to come here and take our jobs and tax dollars.”

They believe the myth, and haven’t spent any time investigating the truth.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:37:11pm

re: #286 KGxvi

They believe the myth, and haven’t spent any time investigating the truth.

Genealogy is an expensive hobby lol. That said, maybe the fact that they don’t know the full truth should make them less judgmental. I wagerto say that I’ve probably researched my direct line than most Americans and you know what, I still can’t find the emigration records for all my direct line. And even if I have, I have no idea if they were all strictly law abiding in the US. Odds are they probably were but you never know.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:37:36pm

re: #286 KGxvi

They believe the myth, and haven’t spent any time investigating the truth.

They’re no different than the white supremacists who insist they come from “pure” bloodlines of white guys dating all the way back to Europe, who then get DNA tests that determine they have the same percentage of “African” DNA as every other white guy does.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:39:34pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

They’re no different than the white supremacists who insist they come from “pure” bloodlines of white guys dating all the way back to Europe, who then get DNA tests that determine they have the same percentage of “African” DNA as every other white guy does.

I tell ya the worst are those who are aware of the crap their ancestors endured but twist to insist it was worse than slavery. The actual Irish people I know despise Americans of Irish descent making the Irish-American experience out to be worse than chattel slavery. My Irish historian buddy puts it this way “Our history is already tragic, you’ve got no right to lie and make it more tragic but putting down other people’s histories to suit your own narrative.”

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:41:11pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Genealogy is an expensive hobby lol. That said, maybe the fact that they don’t know the full truth should make them less judgmental. I wagerto say that I’ve probably researched my direct line than most Americans and you know what, I still can’t find the emigration records for all my direct line. And even if I have, I have no idea if they were all strictly law abiding in the US. Odds are they probably were but you never know.

We’re talking about people for whom the accepted method of tracing lineage was the family Bible or baptismal records at their local church. Hence why they’re always shocked when they find out that they’ve relatives in a whole ‘nother state because their granddaddy “sewed his wild oats” in his youth and then came home to marry his high school sweetheart to whom he’d been totally “faithful.”

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:41:14pm

re: #284 KGxvi

So, the House is in recess next week. I wonder how many Republican district offices are going to see protests/demonstrations in support of overriding the veto? And if that’ll change anything.

I hate to say it, but even if there are any demonstrations at Republicans’ offices, it’s probably likely that the Reps (not wanting any repeats of the Obamacare flaps) will make themselves scarce.

Either that, or make sure that any “protests” are carefully-scripted MAGA rallies.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:42:10pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

Their heritage being meaningless since European history is not White history…

…but they know that.

They pick the “good” stuff from the history of Europe, label it “white” and form an identity where they get derivative credit…some kind of trophy for participation, if you will…and ignore any nuance.

In raciallized history “whites” gets to take credit for everything bad but aren’t responsible for anything that went wrong.

This scam includes celebrating the good bits of people that weren’t “white” were specifically attacked or persecuted as “non-white.”

It’s not about describing reality or even being consistent.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:42:24pm

Hell though I take that back about my ancestors being law abiding. I remember my grandfather telling us his father bootlegged during prohibition. I doubt he made a big profit but he was likely violating the Volstead Act when he was still an Alien. And yet Grandpa and while I loved him dearly still was a bit judgmental towards illegal immigrants. I thik the problem is so many native Americans have no idea what immigration is like these days for people. It’s more pricey and timely. My grandfather’s parents emigrated in 1910. By the end of that decade, Great Grandpa had already put in his papers and he was a citizen in the early 20’s.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:43:39pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

a small group of people…his people

And none of the rest are actually people.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:45:49pm

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Hell though I take that back about my ancestors being law abiding. I remember my grandfather telling us his father bootlegged during prohibition. I doubt he made a big profit but he was likely violating the Volstead Act when he was still an Alien. And yet Grandpa and while I loved him dearly still was a bit judgmental towards illegal immigrants. I thik the problem is so many native Americans have no idea what immigration is like these days for people. It’s more pricey and timely. My grandfather’s parents emigrated in 1910. By the end of that decade, Great Grandpa had already put in his papers and he was a citizen in the early 20’s.

I like to think of it being like the Boomers and Gen Xers who look at our generation and think we’re a bunch of “lazy pricks” because we don’t “find a job.” The ones who still think the method of getting a job is going down to the local hardware store and asking to speak to the manager. Or calling the same shop constantly and inquiring if they’ve had time to look at your application, in an era where unless they’re a small-time mom-and-pop operation they have to wait for the digital application to land on their desk from corporate HR.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:46:39pm

Here’s another thing and this is why I find it so angering as a so called white ethnic when white supremacists tell white people that we should ban together. Their ideological ancestors were the same people like the Grant in Serwer’s article insisting we’d never integrate. Well assholes, my grandparents’ brothers served in WWII and my grandmother’s big sister was a secretary for the War Department. My one uncle enlisted when Lindburgh was in Des Moines spreading Pro-Axis propaganda. So no I’m not going to stick with you because our skin tones are close. I’ll stick with people who share my values and some of them come from vastly different places than my family did but you know what that’s okay because the people who are why I am me did too.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:47:13pm

WUT

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:47:42pm

re: #295 Targetpractice

I like to think of it being like the Boomers and Gen Xers who look at our generation and think we’re a bunch of “lazy pricks” because we don’t “find a job.” The ones who still think the method of getting a job is going down to the local hardware store and asking to speak to the manager. Or calling the same shop constantly and inquiring if they’ve had time to look at your application, in an era where unless they’re a small-time mom-and-pop operation they have to wait for the digital application to land on their desk from corporate HR.

Oh yeah, it’s a lot like that. They think you just pay a fee and you emigrate legally. Working in immigration law really woke me up to the reality of what today’s immigrants go through. It’s stressful. It needs to be easier to emigrate legally.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:50:23pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah, it’s a lot like that. They think you just pay a fee and you emigrate legally. Working in immigration law really woke me up to the reality of what today’s immigrants go through. It’s stressful. It needs to be easier to emigrate legally.

See, that’s the difference between you, I, and them. You and I would agree that the current system is a total clusterfuck and needs major reform to make it easier to immigrate legally to these shores.

To them, that’s actually the opposite of what they really want, because easier immigration means more of “those people” that they want to keep out. No, what they really want when they talk “reform” is a system that streamlines the system for people like them, while “those people” are face greater obstacles or are simply told to fuck off.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:51:08pm

re: #296 HappyWarrior

I’ll stick with people who share my values and some of them come from vastly different places than my family did but you know what that’s okay because the people who are why I am me did too.

I had to read a little slower the second time. Me too, I agree.

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:52:47pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

Genealogy is an expensive hobby lol. That said, maybe the fact that they don’t know the full truth should make them less judgmental. I wagerto say that I’ve probably researched my direct line than most Americans and you know what, I still can’t find the emigration records for all my direct line. And even if I have, I have no idea if they were all strictly law abiding in the US. Odds are they probably were but you never know.

Not to mention the fact that prior to WW1, emigration to US was a vastly different experience that it was after - especially, as Adam Serwer’ Atlantic piece points out - after the Nativists’ wet-dream Immigration Act of 1924 went into effect.

Al four of my grandparents emigrated to the US before 1914: but were all, by the time they died, “American citizens” - with no qualifications. But again, it was just good timing.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:52:58pm

re: #223 Backwoods_Sleuth

a small group of people…his people

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Belafon  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:53:04pm

re: #250 lawhawk

“If half…” Utter bullshit. And the reason smugglers exist at all is because we broke out border by restricting travel across the border.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:56:41pm

re: #301 Jay C

Not to mention the fact that prior to WW1, emigration to US was a vastly different experience that it was after - especially, as Adam Serwer’ Atlantic piece points out - after the Nativists’ wet-dream Immigration Act of 1924 went into effect.

Al four of my grandparents emigrated to the US before 1914: but were all, by the time they died, “American citizens” - with no qualifications. But again, it was just good timing.

My earliest ancestors were 1793- French Revolution refugees I believe and the latest my living grandmother’s mother so I’ve got a lttle bit of everything here.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:57:04pm

Wingnuts are attempting to present the NZ killer as a “leftist”
He is a nihilist from the “reddit/chan” subculture. Their philosophy matches the “alt-right” much more than “the left” (which is a creature of wingnuts imagination)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:57:54pm

It’s a shitty day when the President of the United States can’t come out and SAY that white supremacy is a bad thing and a danger, after a white supremacist kills 49 people while declaring he’s doing it for white supremacy.

So, here’s this bit of cute to make your day less shitty….

What else do you do on a rainy Saturday afternoon?
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:58:03pm

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are attempting to present the NZ killer as a “leftist”
He is a nihilist from the “reddit/chan” subculture. Their philosophy matches the “alt-right” much more than “the left” (which is a creature of wingnuts imagination)

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They refuse to accept that their ideology can ever be wrong.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:59:21pm

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are attempting to present the NZ killer as a “leftist”
He is a nihilist from the “reddit/chan” subculture. Their philosophy matches the “alt-right” much more than “the left” (which is a creature of wingnuts imagination)

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“Don’t exploit this tragedy! Unless you’re doing so to argue that Muslims need to go!”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 2:59:41pm

re: #308 Targetpractice

“Don’t exploit this tragedy! Unless you’re doing so to argue that Muslims need to go!”

Like that Australian dipshit.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:00:47pm

I have no doubt of this. If today’s conservatives were transplanted to the rise of Fascism in the 30’s. They would have been defending Hitler for “saving Germany.” They would have denied he was Antisemitic.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:03:05pm

re: #306 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s a shitty day when the President of the United States can’t come out and SAY that white supremacy is a bad thing and a danger, after a white supremacist kills 49 people while declaring he’s doing it for white supremacy.

So, here’s this bit of cute to make your day less shitty….

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Dorey and Bigfootfeet. With turtle sox.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:03:10pm

Off topic, but I did want to share pics from my first post-work ride of 2019. These are from when I got back to the car.

Lower Crystal Springs Lake from Cañada Road:

And the sun on the hills across the road will give you an idea how close to sunset it was when I got back to the car.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:03:49pm

re: #311 wrenchwench

Dorey and Bigfootfeet. With turtle sox.

Don’t let Mrs.FBW hear you calling her that!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:03:59pm

In a way, I appreciate the truly far right assholes because they know who they are. They know they’re heirs of the Nazis. A lot of these other cowards though think they’re not because I SUPPORT ISRAEL. Nevermind the fact that they think Jews should support them and their ideology only because of Israel. Nevermind that they use Antisemitic tropes to attack liberal leaders. Nevermind the fact that most Jewish people understand history and can see through most of their shit.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:05:22pm

You always have to marvel at the dance moves that go into arguing that a white shooter is a “liberal” who is totally not part of the far-right…but he has “legitimate” beefs that “liberals” should listen to and accept because they’re what the far-right have been preaching.

For example, the article tries to use the fact that the shooter supports unions as evidence that he’s a “liberal.” Thing is, that doesn’t prove anything because conservatives used to love unions…until they realized they couldn’t restrict union membership to those with skin tones lighter than a paper bag. Then suddenly unions became the enemy of the “right to work.”

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:05:46pm

re: #313 Blind Frog Belly White

Don’t let Mrs.FBW hear you calling her that!

I thought they were yours. Dory must be tiny!

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:06:03pm

re: #307 HappyWarrior

At the bottom of this is that there’s really no ideology, just incoherent individual beliefs that orbit a base assumption that their emotional impressions are “true.”

Arguments and ideas are being used, piece-meal, to justify what they want as they want it. Beliefs are discarded and picked up as needed.

Hence the proliferation of pseudoscience and the contempt of expertise.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:07:14pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

You always have to marvel at the dance moves that go into arguing that a white shooter is a “liberal” who is totally not part of the far-right…but he has “legitimate” beefs that “liberals” should listen to and accept because they’re what the far-right have been preaching.

For example, the article tries to use the fact that the shooter supports unions as evidence that he’s a “liberal.” Thing is, that doesn’t prove anything because conservatives used to love unions…until they realized they couldn’t restrict union membership to those with skin tones lighter than a paper bag. Then suddenly unions became the enemy of the “right to work.”

My favorite is when they use party registration as if that proves everything. West Virginia is still majority registered Democratic and yet I bet you if Trump were caught murdering a prostitute on tape right now, he’d still win there next Fall.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:08:26pm

re: #317 The Ghost of Quesos Past

At the bottom of this is that there’s really no ideology, just incoherent individual beliefs that orbit a base assumption that their emotional impressions are “true.”

Arguments and ideas are being used, piece-meal, to justify what they want as they want it. Beliefs are discarded and picked up as needed.

Hence the proliferation of pseudoscience and the contempt of expertise.

And I think that at the heart of it is why the Never Trumpers don’t like Trump. They feel he’s exposed their ideology or there lack of as you put it for what it really is. It’s just a bunch of overly emotionally assholes who can’t accept a changing world who think they’re the heirs of the Founders when the actual Founders would laugh at their inability to seriously think about issues.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:08:29pm

re: #316 wrenchwench

I thought they were yours.

It’d be really hard for me to take that picture if they were my feet.

Dory must be tiny!

She’s about 10#.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:08:42pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I have no doubt of this. If today’s conservatives were transplanted to the rise of Fascism in the 30’s. They would have been defending Hitler for “saving Germany.” They would have denied he was Antisemitic.

The NY Times actually did.

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wrenchwench  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:09:52pm

re: #320 Blind Frog Belly White

It’d be really hard for me to take that picture if they were my feet.

She’s about 10#.

Each of my cats weighs more than that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:10:21pm

re: #321 The Vicious Babushka

The NY Times actually did.

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Oh I know about the contemporary conservatives of the 1930’s. I’m saying that if you put today’s conservatives in a time machine and sent them to the 1930’s with no knowledge of what was to come, they’d be the biggest cheerleaders of Mussolini, Franco, and Hitler.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:12:59pm

re: #322 wrenchwench

Each of my cats weighs more than that.

Yep. She’s the size of a smallish cat. Jumps like one, too. Also eats like one - we leave kibble in her bowl all day, because she grazes instead of eating meals, so we have to keep her food in a pen so Rango doesn’t Hoover it up.

And then she goes in, takes one piece of kibble, comes back out again to crunch it up, then goes back in for more, comes out again to crunch…

All the while, Rango quietly whines in a surprisingly high pitch.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:13:42pm

Not to be pointing fingers at old members but I did appreciate that DF admitted he would have sided with Franco and the Tories over the Republic and the revolutionaries. I don’t agree with that obvoiusly but it was refreshing to see an American conservative admit that he probably would have sided with the crown because honestly a lot of them would have. Conservatives love to insist the Founders weren’t liberals and yeah I admit it, they weren’t especially in the modern sense but by 1770’s standards? Talking about replacing colonial rule with independent democratic government without the king? That’s down right radical.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:13:51pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

Like that Australian dipshit.

I want that man placed on a no fly list and denied entry to New Zealand.

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Targetpractice  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:14:58pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

And I think that at the heart of it is why the Never Trumpers don’t like Trump. They feel he’s exposed their ideology or there lack of as you put it for what it really is. It’s just a bunch of overly emotionally assholes who can’t accept a changing world who think they’re the heirs of the Founders when the actual Founders would laugh at their inability to seriously think about issues.

The “NeverTrump” crowd are largely the same astroturfing fucktards who tried to act as though they were born-again “Independents” the moment Dubya’s approval ratings began tunneling to the Earth’s core. The reality is if it were Jeb or Ted or even Rand in office right now, they’d be manning the ramparts against “socialism.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:16:37pm

re: #327 Targetpractice

The “NeverTrump” crowd are largely the same astroturfing fucktards who tried to act as though they were born-again “Independents” the moment Dubya’s approval ratings began tunneling to the Earth’s core. The reality is if it were Jeb or Ted or even Rand in office right now, they’d be manning the ramparts against “socialism.”

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:19:52pm

re: #326 Grunthos the Flatulent

I want that man placed on a no fly list and denied entry to New Zealand.

I don’t blame you. What a fucking asshole for blaming the victims. I saw that one of the victims’ last words was “Welcome brother.” It reminded me of Dylann Roof here in the US when one of his victims had in fact welcomed him into their church. That’s what gets me. People like Roof and this murderer are so convicned that their victims are the hateful and violent ones yet here they fucking are.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:21:33pm

re: #319 HappyWarrior

And I think that at the heart of it is why the Never Trumpers don’t like Trump. They feel he’s exposed their ideology or there lack of as you put it for what it really is. It’s just a bunch of overly emotionally assholes who can’t accept a changing world who think they’re the heirs of the Founders when the actual Founders would laugh at their inability to seriously think about issues.

Absolutely.

There’s a patrician version of the intellectual cowardice and libertine spirit that defines Trumpism and most of the Never Trumpers rent space there.

The suggestions that the jet-setters who say pretty, sophist things garnished with classical references are the same as the proles who say ugly, wildly emotional shit offends the Never Trumpers…and yet it’s still true.

Same thing again with the ultra-rich. They don’t want to be told they don’t know everything, that their success probably came down to (1) preexisting wealth, (2) market conditions, and that their success at one thing does not translate to a knowledge of anything else.

All these groups perform some version of “be nice or we will fuck you up” if you press them, because they all have the same drives.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:22:15pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Of course white nationalism is not a problem in his eyes. He is dependent on it. It’s what put him in the White House.

He really is speaking the truth in his own way.

But it is only a little problem he guesses.

A little problem that is getting bigger

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:23:30pm

re: #330 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Absolutely.

There’s a patrician version of the intellectual cowardice and libertine spirit that defines Trumpism and most of the Never Trumpers rent space there.

The suggestions that the jet-setters who say pretty, sophist things garnished with classical references are the same as the proles who say ugly, wildly emotional shit offends the Never Trumpers…and yet it’s still true.

Same thing again with the ultra-rich. They don’t want to be told they don’t know everything, that their success probably came down to (1) preexisting wealth, (2) market conditions, and that their success at one thing does not translate to a knowledge of anything else.

All these groups perform some version of “be nice or we will fuck you up” if you press them, because they all have the same drives.

Then there are the people who treat AOC and all economic lefties like they’re idiots who know nothing about economics and I just have to laugh considering their economics have been proved time and again to be bullshit economics.

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Alephnaught  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:24:03pm

re: #172 Charles Johnson

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By that metric, I was also a “hacker” in the early 90s. The sort of thing I was doing with demo screens on the Atari ST- removing the borders on the display, displaying more than the standard colour palette using interrupts, playing samples on a sound chip designed for chip music- were all about circumventing the limitations of the hardware using undocumented techniques.

Quite a lot of this was learned by looking at other demo coders code. Which often entailed hacking their demos- and their protection was often more fearsome than on commercial programs.

The Union Demo in particular is infamous for having it’s own special disk format which could not be copied by the common disk copy programs of the day- it could only be copied by it’s own in-demo disk copier.

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:24:17pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Yeah…but the founders were also pulling a heavily-subsidized colony out of the nation that paid for it before the bill came due…and also a bunch of slave holders were worried about whether they’d be allowed to continue to own and trade slaves….

Like, the radicalism was not all on the heroic side.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:24:34pm

re: #334 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Yeah…but the founders were also pulling a heavily-subsidized colony out of the nation that paid for it before the bill came due…and also a bunch of slave holders were worried about whether they’d be allowed to continue to own and trade slaves….

Like, the radicalism was not all on the heroic side.

Absolutely.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:25:46pm

re: #257 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, look…Pence has tiny hands, too.

Not as tiny as that pea-brain rolling around in that big ol’ hard head.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:30:32pm

re: #281 KGxvi

They probably don’t know their story either. They’re the sorts for whom history began the day they were born.

And they believe that history will end with them as well. After all, they’re the only people that matter.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:30:34pm

Metro reveals: Swedish led Nazi movement in Christchurch

[Google Translate]

It’s still to be determined whether the group had any ties to the perps.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:33:08pm

re: #338 Teukka

Metro reveals: Swedish led Nazi movement in Christchurch

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[Google Translate]

It’s still to be determined whether the group had any ties to the perps.

Ya know for a bunch of “nationalists”, these guys love sticking their nose in other country’s business. Some of our alt-right “superstars” here in the US aren’t even American residents let alone citizens and yet they’re the ones telling us “to get rid of our immigrant rabble.” My favorite was when NR’s bigot John Derbyshire was revealed to have been undocumented himself. Didn’t stop him from being one of their biggest racists and haters on undocumented folks.

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A Three Hour Tour  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:36:06pm

re: #325 HappyWarrior

Not to be pointing fingers at old members but I did appreciate that DF admitted he would have sided with Franco and the Tories over the Republic and the revolutionaries. I don’t agree with that obvoiusly but it was refreshing to see an American conservative admit that he probably would have sided with the crown because honestly a lot of them would have. Conservatives love to insist the Founders weren’t liberals and yeah I admit it, they weren’t especially in the modern sense but by 1770’s standards? Talking about replacing colonial rule with independent democratic government without the king? That’s down right radical.

If Dark were born and raised Southern, or, at the very least, Virginian, he would’ve spent his time here defending Lost Cause revisionism and romanticizing Robert E. Lee. His reverent ancestor-worship and regard for “honor” would have demanded it of him. And he would’ve posted “Dixie” as his permanent response to transplanted Yankees rather than “Marching through Georgia” as his mocking response to Neo-Confederates.

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ObserverArt  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:41:56pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

You always have to marvel at the dance moves that go into arguing that a white shooter is a “liberal” who is totally not part of the far-right…but he has “legitimate” beefs that “liberals” should listen to and accept because they’re what the far-right have been preaching.

For example, the article tries to use the fact that the shooter supports unions as evidence that he’s a “liberal.” Thing is, that doesn’t prove anything because conservatives used to love unions…until they realized they couldn’t restrict union membership to those with skin tones lighter than a paper bag. Then suddenly unions became the enemy of the “right to work.”

But they have practiced that dance for a long long time, so the moves are easy to pull off. Like all practice, if you do it long enough it becomes natural.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:55:33pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:56:01pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 3:58:07pm

re: #254 Jay C

A good piece, but I think Serwer condenses the concept a bit: Myself, I think the case is more that “White Supremacy”, then as now, is more of a pan-national/supra-national movement: that the high-minded intellectualization of racism (and its introduction into countries’ immigration/citizenship legal systems) which began in the late 19th Century wasn’t so much a matter of one country “inspiring” another, but of all the racially-based enactments stemming from a single pool of sources: each nation adopting whatever principles they thought would fly with the (white) citizenry.

This is absolutely true. You can’t account for WWI if you follow my summary of the article. It wasn’t so much inspiration as “hey, that’s what we’ve been saying and the ‘shining beacon on a hill’ does it legally.” Anti-semitism goes back centuries in Europe, so it’s fair to say that the Europeans who founded our country planted the seeds here, too. But it’s still a good article.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:00:27pm
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jaunte  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:03:28pm

“There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies, knowing he’s going to get shot in the process. You know you just can’t — you can’t immediately discount this. The left is this insane, they are this crazy. And then if that’s exactly what the guy is trying to do then he’s hit a home run, because right there on Fox News: ‘Shooter is an admitted white nationalist who hates immigrants.’” - Rush Limbaugh, on today’s show.

Party Of The Other Guys Musta Did It

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:04:30pm

re: #346 jaunte

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Party Of The Other Guys Musta Did It

Limbaugh really is getting more pathetic and I didn’t think that was possible for a pathetic gasbag like him.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:05:43pm
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:05:56pm
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:07:00pm

This goes without saying.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:07:09pm

re: #349 MsJ

Motherfucker.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:08:46pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:10:41pm

re: #349 MsJ

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:11:29pm
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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:13:45pm
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TedStriker  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:15:01pm

re: #352 Teukka

Remember that sign Trump admin and various alt-right have flashed, supposedly “harmless”? Shot of Brenton Tarrant in court in Christchurch, NZ:

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I don’t want to hear anyone fucking defend that gesture or hear anyone attacking people who have issues with it as “paranoid”, because that, in part, begot that fucking monster in that photo.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:18:14pm

re: #356 TedStriker

I don’t want to hear anyone fucking defend that gesture or hear anyone attacking people who have issues with it as “paranoid”, because that, in part, begot that fucking monster in that photo.

10 fucking 4, sir.
Me neither.
Let’s demask the asswipes!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:18:19pm

re: #354 Patricia Kayden

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She was right about Trump more than anyone who ran. She deserves credit.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:20:49pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:21:20pm

re: #346 jaunte

“”There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies, knowing he’s going to get shot in the process. You know you just can’t — you can’t immediately discount this.”

There’s an ongoing theory that Rush Limbaugh blows goats. You know you just can’t — you can’t immediately discount this.

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Ace Rothstein  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:22:24pm

re: #305 The Vicious Babushka

Mass murder and life in prison to own the libs…

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:27:28pm
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plansbandc  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:28:24pm

re: #349 MsJ

This is a pretty good illustration of how much respect women get from the medical establishment. JFC

How in the fuck is this OK? Where is the consent? Oh wait. There isn’t any.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:28:50pm

re: #361 Ace Rothstein

Mass murder and life in prison to own the libs…

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Well, to own the Right, really. I mean, if it’s a False Flag and all.

But, yeah. Killing 49 people you consider blameless, risking being shot yourself by police responding to the shooting, making yourself a symbol of what you hate, to the entire world for the rest of your life and beyond, and all to make the Right “look bad”.

If you have to be crazy to go out and kill 49 brown people that you, as a white supremacist, see as invaders and a threat, how much crazier do you have to be to kill 49 people you see as blameless refugees seeking a better life, just to make people think that white supremacists are bad people?

Is ANYONE that crazy?

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gocart mozart  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:30:07pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:31:31pm

re: #175 Charles Johnson

I actually had a special tool to make that square notch.

Yep. Had one of these for my C-64 disks.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:32:36pm

re: #365 gocart mozart

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It’s not a white power symbol, libtards! It’s a symbol white nationalists all flash to make libtards think it’s a white power symbol, and also to let other white nationalists know we’re in on the joke!

IOW, it’s a white power symbol.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:38:54pm

re: #363 plansbandc

This is a pretty good illustration of how much respect women get from the medical establishment. JFC

How in the fuck is this OK? Where is the consent? Oh wait. There isn’t any.

and no surprise that there isn’t any more respect for women from the political side either

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:39:43pm

re: #367 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s not a white power symbol, libtards! It’s a symbol white nationalists all flash to make libtards think it’s a white power symbol, and also to let other white nationalists know we’re in on the joke!

IOW, it’s a white power symbol.

Trigger warning:

“its the ok diving sign”
“looks like a sign going ok I got this”
“lol that whole ‘ermahgerd its a white power sign’ was started by some people on 4chan to troll sjw”

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:39:54pm

Although Philly is not yet under a severe thunderstorm watch or warning there is some heavy weather headed this way.
weather.gov

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:42:43pm

re: #346 jaunte

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Party Of The Other Guys Musta Did It

According to the ADL, every act of violence by an extremist in 2018 was by a right-winger. According to right wingers, they were all false-flag operations.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:49:27pm

re: #364 Blind Frog Belly White

Well, to own the Right, really. I mean, if it’s a False Flag and all.

But, yeah. Killing 49 people you consider blameless, risking being shot yourself by police responding to the shooting, making yourself a symbol of what you hate, to the entire world for the rest of your life and beyond, and all to make the Right “look bad”.

If you have to be crazy to go out and kill 49 brown people that you, as a white supremacist, see as invaders and a threat, how much crazier do you have to be to kill 49 people you see as blameless refugees seeking a better life, just to make people think that white supremacists are bad people?

Is ANYONE that crazy?

No. Seriously if I wanted to make conservatives look bad, I’d just point everything Trump has said since running for POTUS. Don’t need to misrepresent reality let alone murder.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:49:45pm

re: #371 Barefoot Grin

According to the ADL, every act of violence by an extremist in 2018 was by a right-winger. According to right wingers, they were all false-flag operations.

I figure if you can look at Donald Trump, and see Presidential Timber, you can probably swallow that without straining.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:52:06pm

re: #370 PhillyPretzel

Although Philly is not yet under a severe thunderstorm watch or warning there is some heavy weather headed this way.
weather.gov

be safe.

last night just before midnight, almost all of my county lost power. Mine, surprisingly, came back on quickly. Goofy coonhound was freaking out with all the wind, thunder and lightning, though.

tonight looks a lot milder for TheBackwoods

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:53:23pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

I have no doubt of this. If today’s conservatives were transplanted to the rise of Fascism in the 30’s. They would have been defending Hitler for “saving Germany.” They would have denied he was Antisemitic.

Some ungodly fraction of today’s US conservatives would have happily served in the SS or as death camp guards, etc. Just writing down any realistic % guess is way too depressing.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:54:17pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

The temperature went higher than expected and now the area will get the thunderstorms. My batteries are charged just in case.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:55:04pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:58:05pm

I have now seen two articles, posts, whatever about Obama and losing favor among whites, which they trace back to the Henry Louis Gates incident. That’s when a lot of white people stopped liking him. Pretty amazing, because the cop said that before he arrested Gates he KNEW it was Gates’s house, and all those white people were disappointed that Obama didn’t side with the cop.

What the fuck is wrong with white people?

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:58:51pm

re: #377 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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None/Atheist/Agnostics Rule!!!

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:58:52pm
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jaunte  Mar 15, 2019 • 4:59:06pm

re: #377 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

“Who are these Jexes you speak of?”

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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:00:29pm

re: #360 Blind Frog Belly White

“”There’s an ongoing theory that the shooter himself may in fact be a leftist who writes the manifesto and then goes out and performs the deed purposely to smear his political enemies, knowing he’s going to get shot in the process. You know you just can’t — you can’t immediately discount this.”

There’s an ongoing theory that Rush Limbaugh blows goats. You know you just can’t — you can’t immediately discount this.

Live goats or week-dead goats?

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:05:45pm

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

be safe.

last night just before midnight, almost all of my county lost power. Mine, surprisingly, came back on quickly. Goofy coonhound was freaking out with all the wind, thunder and lightning, though.

tonight looks a lot milder for TheBackwoods

How’s Daisy?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:06:23pm

re: #375 EPR-radar

Some ungodly fraction of today’s US conservatives would have happily served in the SS or as death camp guards, etc. Just writing down any realistic % guess is way too depressing.

Those people are the Shad Ladue contingent that Sinclair Lewis warned us about.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:07:09pm

Oh for chrissake. Now I have a Michael Tracey fan coming at me with that old “St. Pancake” smear that originated with my lovely far right stalkers. Far right and far left meet again.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:07:38pm

re: #377 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Well duh.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:07:58pm

re: #375 EPR-radar

Some ungodly fraction of today’s US conservatives would have happily served in the SS or as death camp guards, etc. Just writing down any realistic % guess is way too depressing.

Some would be content belonging to the Sturmabteilung… Like those goons that run in and create all sorts of messes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:10:24pm

re: #375 EPR-radar

Some ungodly fraction of today’s US conservatives would have happily served in the SS or as death camp guards, etc. Just writing down any realistic % guess is way too depressing.

It’s way too high for comfort.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:11:01pm

re: #383 MsJ

How’s Daisy?

Still not eating, but is drinking without vomiting (she has vomited only twice since Tuesday). DrG gave her a steroid injection this afternoon and hopes that will help with the appetite. The NutriCal will be delivered on Monday. Daisy is going to spend the weekend at the hospital.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:12:04pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope she gets better soon.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:13:17pm

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #390 PhillyPretzel

I hope she gets better soon.

Me too!!

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:13:28pm

re: #390 PhillyPretzel

I hope she gets better soon.

I’m just astonished that it’s been 8 days and no really measurable amount of food intake.
And she’s not got any excess fat reserves.

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:14:04pm

re: #387 Teukka

Some would be content belonging to the Sturmabteilung… Like those goons that run in and create all sorts of messes.

In a sense, the pool of wingnuts ready to get “cooked off” by the alt-right propaganda machine could be seen as the DSSA (Die stochastische Sturmabteilung)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:17:06pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:17:46pm
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jaunte  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:17:53pm

Thread:

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:18:02pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:21:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:22:55pm

re: #398 Charles Johnson

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Except that’s not what she did but go on Tucker and Colton, lie more.

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Skip Intro  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:23:37pm

re: #398 Charles Johnson

Wasn’t he supposed to be on “vacation”?

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Teukka  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:25:51pm

re: #398 Charles Johnson

James 2:26:As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

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BlueSpotinAL  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:26:11pm

re: #273 Targetpractice

See also: Night of the Long Knives, where Hitler and Himmler decided to consolidate power amongst their own little cabal by declaring the SA full of “degenerates and homosexuals” in order to justify wiping out their leadership and forcing the foot soldiers to either join the SS or be carted off to “reeducation camps.”

Hitler did this for the army’s (Wehrmacht) support. Thus clearing the only force able to stand up to him by 1934.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:27:58pm

re: #395 Barefoot Grin

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That is correct.

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William Lewis  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:28:48pm

re: #401 Teukka

James 2:26:As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

QFT.
Amen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:30:27pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:35:25pm
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EPR-radar  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:36:21pm

re: #393 Teukka

In a sense, the pool of wingnuts ready to get “cooked off” by the alt-right propaganda machine could be seen as the DSSA (Die stochastische Sturmabteilung)

Having the GOP’s version of the SA be a stochastic terrorist operation has two main benefits:

1) These goons work for free.

2) Deniability is preserved.

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jaunte  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:36:24pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:36:55pm

re: #405 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Because they won’t condemn right wing terrorism. All that crap about Obama and the radical Islam phrase. Yet another projection.

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MsJ  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:37:05pm

re: #406 Dave In Austin

You know, those pups run about 2-3 grand each.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:37:57pm

re: #385 Charles Johnson

Oh for chrissake. Now I have a Michael Tracey fan coming at me with that old “St. Pancake” smear that originated with my lovely far right stalkers. Far right and far left meet again.

Which if I remember correctly would earn a Lizard a visit from Stinky and his ban hammer after the first deletion/warning if used again.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 15, 2019 • 5:42:26pm

re: #410 MsJ

You know, those pups run about 2-3 grand each.

These prolly more……

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Jay C  Mar 15, 2019 • 6:20:46pm

re: #412 Dave In Austin

These prolly more……

Due to their Internet celebrity!

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John_Manyjars  Mar 16, 2019 • 12:11:57pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

It would be nice if the Orange Filth had the BRAINS to be a hacker….

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John_Manyjars  Mar 16, 2019 • 12:59:23pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

I thought good manners dictated the removal of hats while in the White House, or anywhere indoors for that matter…even tRUmp isn’t wearing one of his MAGA comb-over covers.


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