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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:50:58am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:52:23am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Half of our country including the people whose flag you defend were willing to die to preserve slavery. Mexico banned slavery without a war. No we don’t “deserve” credit for ending slavery 78 years after the Constitution was written.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:54:23am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Everybody blames me for beating my wife. I never get credit for stopping when the police arrested me!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:55:09am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:56:17am

If we had ended slavery when the Constitution was written, I might concede she had a point but slavery was abolished long after the Constitution and Declaration.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:56:43am

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

You’re the last person I’d expect to post a movie of a monkey taking a leek.
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:57:20am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

“We want to memorialize the people who fought to keep it, but why can’t we get credit for ending it?”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:57:38am

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Somebody flunked world history!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:58:04am
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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 11:59:24am
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Patricia Kayden  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:00:06pm

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:02:11pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:02:51pm

I was never a fan of trump and I never will be.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:04:09pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Easy to beat on someone who can’t fight back.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:05:24pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Half of our country including the people whose flag you defend were willing to die to preserve slavery. Mexico banned slavery without a war. No we don’t “deserve” credit for ending slavery 78 years after the Constitution was written.

- and then taking another 100 years to codify equality because too many people encouraged and supported by police/governmental institutions did not behave as if everyone was equal

- AND which, nearly 60 years after that ‘liberty and justice, for all still an effing joke

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:05:59pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Easy to beat on someone who can’t fight back.

easier to beat on a dead guy (McCain) than a live woman (Pelosi, et al)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:06:18pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I look forward to the day when can take a big, steaming dump on Trump’s grave.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:06:24pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Half of our country including the people whose flag you defend were willing to die to preserve slavery. Mexico banned slavery without a war. No we don’t “deserve” credit for ending slavery 78 years after the Constitution was written.

I think we are unique in having to have a massive, four year blood letting in order to get rid of slavery.

Everybody else just banned it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:08:04pm

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

I think we are unique in having to have a massive, four year blood letting in order to get rid of slavery.

Everybody else just banned it.

and in our case, the losers still haven’t gotten over it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:09:02pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:09:19pm

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

I think we are unique in having to have a massive, four year blood letting in order to get rid of slavery.

Everybody else just banned it.

No! Remember, the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. It was about answering the hypothetical question of whether states were allowed to secede from the Union.

Turns out, no.

Slavery ending at the same time was completely coincidental.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:10:47pm

re: #15 Man, DangerMan

- and then taking another 100 years to codify equality because too many people encouraged and supported by police/governmental institutions did not behave as if everyone was equal

- AND which, nearly 60 years after that ‘liberty and justice, for all still an effing joke

I pointed out to a wingnut that African-Americans get the police called on them by whites just for being in their presence, and his response was: They’re afraid. Blacks are a lot more racist than whites!

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:11:37pm

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

I think we are unique in having to have a massive, four year blood letting in order to get rid of slavery.

Everybody else just banned it.

Britain outlawed slavery three decades before the USA did by an act of Parliament, the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833.

en.wikipedia.org

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:12:11pm
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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:13:16pm

re: #22 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I pointed out to a wingnut that African-Americans get the police called on them by whites just for being in their presence, and his response was: They’re afraid. Blacks are a lot more racist than whites!

Some whites fear retribution. Dr. Martin Luther King spoke against retribution. So they killed him.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:15:20pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:15:23pm

re: #22 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I pointed out to a wingnut that African-Americans get the police called on them by whites just for being in their presence, and his response was: They’re afraid. Blacks are a lot more racist than whites!

and im sure that was your shocked face

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:17:15pm

re: #18 Scottish Dragon

I think we are unique in having to have a massive, four year blood letting in order to get rid of slavery.

Everybody else just banned it.

All the more reason why Pavlich is being an idiot.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:17:27pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Britain outlawed slavery three decades before the USA did by an act of Parliament, the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833.

en.wikipedia.org

lets be clear and im going to broad brush it

these kinds of people throw statements out there
they dont have the facts or the history, or the right or the truth of it
they dont care

they’ve simply just said it and for them that’s the end of it, and a win.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:17:34pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Waaah.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:18:43pm

Barack Obama actually ran against John McCain and doesn’t act like a brat when he talks about him.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:20:02pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:20:12pm

re: #14 Eclectic Cyborg

Easy to beat on someone who can’t fight back.

Don’t worry, this will piss off Lindsey and he will come out and kiss Trump’s ass big time!

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:20:19pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Barack Obama, however, is a man.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:20:26pm

as Katie desperately tries to ‘esplain herself:

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:21:38pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

Devin Nunes’ lawsuit is already having a big impact — @DevinCow went from 1,000 to 115,000 followers, @sarahdwire
reports. latimes.com

this is either totally unintended consequences
or proof his lawsuit has merit
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actually it only means he’s an idiot

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:05pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Your argument is factually inaccurate.”

It’s also really stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:09pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

as Katie desperately tries to ‘esplain herself:

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She’s wrong. And no one claims America originated slavery you dolt. Maybe you shouldn’t be on the news if you’re just going to spread stupid shit like this but then again that’s exactly why you work for American Prada.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:22pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

“Your argument is factually inaccurate.”

It’s also really stupid.

It is.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:35pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:35pm

re: #21 Blind Frog Belly White

No! Remember, the Civil War wasn’t about slavery. It was about answering the hypothetical question of whether states were allowed to secede from the Union.

Turns out, no.

Slavery ending at the same time was completely coincidental.

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Also the tariff. Secessionists called Lincoln the Black Tariff President.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:58pm

Oh and if Katie wants to play this let’s give credit for after founding, Czarist Russia banned serfdom before we did. That’s how bad our record is on this.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:22:58pm

Conservatives fighting the bovine power!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:23:27pm

re: #41 Sir John Barron

Also the tariff. Secessionists called Lincoln the Black Tariff President.

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But definitely not slavery!
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SteelPH  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:23:39pm

re: #43 jaunte

Conservatives fighting the bovine power!

I thought they wanted to preserve the cows from AOC’s imminent sweeping ban of them.
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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:23:59pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

as Katie desperately tries to ‘esplain herself:

“Google is the biased against Truth and conservatives. Fake news.”

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:24:05pm

re: #45 SteelPH

I’m not sure they’ve connected burgers and cows yet.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:24:10pm

I’ll take Nunes serious the minute he handcuffs himself to Twitter’s front door.

Oh wait, no I won’t…I’ll just point and laugh harder.

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Alephnaught  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:25:25pm

From previous thread:

I forgot to say I spent my St Patrick’s Day at a typically raucous concert by Damien Dempsey

I suspect there was a lot of hangovers amongst attendees at the concert…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:26:17pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

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Exactly. Our states aren’t little fiefdoms that exist independently of each other. Why should someone in ND’s vote mean more than someone in CA’s? I really doubt they would be talking this way if they hadn’t won two of three elections where they lost the popular vote. TBH, I think the EC was a big mistake by the Founders and I think history even before 2000 hears me out. 1824 was a sketchy as hell election. I don’t like Andrew Jackson but the corrupt bargain he alleged that Henry Clay did to get Quincy Adams as POTUS was justified. 1876 was definitely stolen from TIlden and the Democrats and the Democrats only dropped the complaint to get Reconstruction ended. That leaves 1888 and four years later Cleveland ended up returning to the WH.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:26:42pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:27:02pm

Okay, we can laugh at Devin Nunes. In fact we SHOULD laugh at Devin Nunes, long and loud and sneeringly. BUT defending against this lawsuit will cost money. There’s a reason why some folks found it chilling that Peter Thiel backed the lawsuit against the otherwise execrable Gawker - deep pockets can bankrupt individual and smaller outlets to shut them up, and to discourage others.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:28:31pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

How else are states like ND supposed to be represented? You’re taking 20 mil vs <1 mil.

it the wrong question in the presidential context

ND is represented in the senate with 2
and in the house in proportion to its population

what is the 2019 (ok 2020) rationale in electing the president proportionally by state as opposed to one person, one vote?

- its a meaningless argument. the same can be said about states and senators.
- if a state has more population in cities than rural the cities elect the senators
- vice versa the rurals do.
- while within the entire state, it’s one person, one vote, no proportionality by, say congressional district.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:29:01pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:29:37pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

What does Egypt get? A Trump hotel?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:29:43pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

“Your argument is factually inaccurate.”

It’s also really stupid.

and ps - neither of which are name calling

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:30:15pm

re: #52 Blind Frog Belly White

Okay, we can laugh at Devin Nunes. In fact we SHOULD laugh at Devin Nunes, long and loud and sneeringly. BUT defending against this lawsuit will cost money. There’s a reason why some folks found it chilling that Peter Thiel backed the lawsuit against the otherwise execrable Gawker - deep pockets can bankrupt individual and smaller outlets to shut them up, and to discourage others.

Yes — I was appalled by what happened to Gawker because it was masterminded by a modern day anti-democratic plutocrat Peter Thiel. Too many of those with deep pockets are working to undermine everything decent about this nation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:30:25pm

re: #55 Skip Intro

What does Egypt get? A Trump hotel?

I guess they get to keep the pyramids

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:30:32pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:31:38pm

re: #59 Scottish Dragon

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I like it when Trump fans call liberals elitist. Yeah because Trump isn’t an elitist.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:33:16pm

re: #37 Blind Frog Belly White

“Your argument is factually inaccurate.”

It’s also really stupid.

They lack a choice of ‘stupidity’ when you report a tweet on twitter.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:33:24pm

re: #57 Hecuba’s daughter

Yes — I was appalled by what happened to Gawker because it was masterminded by a modern day anti-democratic plutocrat Peter Thiel. Too many of those with deep pockets are working to undermine everything decent about this nation.

First, the rich use their wealth get power in government.
Next, they use that power to cut their own taxes.
Next, they use that power to stop government limiting their influence.
Next, they use the wealth to silence anyone who would threaten any of the above.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:35:38pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:37:13pm

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

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Really how fucking hard is one person, one vote to figure out. I’m sick of right wingers acting like smaller states residents matter more and the bs implication they always do that they’re more “real Americans” than those who live in the cities.

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Citizen K  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:37:55pm

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

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I mean…as pointed out earlier, it’s not like Senators are elected based on esoteric vote numbers by district calculated upon by size and population within their state.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:37:58pm

Just because the Founders thought it was a good idea in 1787 doesn’t mean it’s a good idea in 2019. Simple as that.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:39:20pm

re: #65 Citizen K

I mean…as pointed out earlier, it’s not like Senators are elected based on esoteric vote numbers by district calculated upon by size and population within their state.

But ALEC and the Koch Bros are trying to return to those days by repealing the 17th amendment.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:40:51pm

re: #288 MsJ

Ha! I am looking for info on getting in to London for the day (I have an 8 hour layover in London and want to do the Big Bus around London before flying on to Paris).

You can take the Picadilly line (Underground) straight in to central London. Or the Heathrow Express train, which is much faster. I don’t know anything about the busses.

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:41:09pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Really how fucking hard is one person, one vote to figure out. I’m sick of right wingers acting like smaller states residents matter more and the bs implication they always do that they’re more “real Americans” than those who live in the cities.

B..b..b..but the states have to have the final say!! Little states will be ignored! California and New York will take over all elections!

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Scottish Dragon  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:41:31pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

But ALEC and the Koch Bros are trying to return to those days by repealing the 17th amendment.

Yep. Easier to buy.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:41:42pm

re: #69 Scottish Dragon

B..b..b..but the states have to have the final say!! Little states will be ignored! California and New York will take over all elections!

They talk about people in cities as if they’re not really Americans. All that shit about “Real America” pisses me off.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:41:59pm

re: #1 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:43:50pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:45:05pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah Katie wants to compare us to the European countries which is the incorrect analogy.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:45:39pm

re: #72 The Vicious Babushka


1. Slaves had it good.
2. They weren’t really slaves in the South, they were family
3. Slaves fought for the Confederacy
4. The Civil War wasn’t about Slavery
5. Did you know Democrats were party of Slavery and Frederick Douglass was a GOP?

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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:47:09pm

re: #68 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

You can take the Picadilly line (Underground) straight in to central London. Or the Heathrow Express train, which is much faster. I don’t know anything about the busses.

Thanks. We are trying to get from Heathrow to Kensington as that is where the Big Bus picks up closes to the airport. Then we will do the BB tour around London before going back to Heathrow. The Tube looks to be around 40 minutes each way which gives us about 4 hours to do the tour thing and at least see London.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:48:49pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

They talk about people in cities as if they’re not really Americans. All that shit about “Real America” pisses me off.

It’s racist.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:49:44pm

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:50:14pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

So, I’m guessing Dinesh de Felon will be on this talking point in 3…. 2…. 1….

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BlueGrl21  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:51:27pm

re: #20 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I work with several Sikhs in India and manage two directly. Cannot express how much I love them. Gentlest people I know.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:51:42pm

re: #77 jaunte

It’s racist.

Damn straight it is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:52:24pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:53:58pm

re: #69 Scottish Dragon

B..b..b..but the states have to have the final say!! Little states will be ignored! California and New York will take over all elections!

18% of Americans will be a majority in all the elections now!

Tell him there were more votes for Trump in California than in the 8 least populous Red states combined, but they had no voice int he outcome.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:54:29pm

re: #78 lawhawk

Didn’t they transfer the islands already?
nytimes.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:55:19pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love the “Haiti: 0”.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 19, 2019 • 12:58:06pm

re: #76 MsJ

Link

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:00:26pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

I love the “Haiti: 0”.

Canada to my knowledge has also never had legal slavery since becoming a nation. 👍🏻

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:02:00pm

since CNN is “fake news” I suppose this is a “fake apology”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:02:15pm

re: #85 Blind Frog Belly White

I love the “Haiti: 0”.

It sadly is why Haiti has had rampant poverty for so long. A lot of nations refused to trade with them because they abolished slavery.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:02:25pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:03:54pm

Bernie Sanders hiring David Sirota is a straight up “fuck you” to mainstream Democratic voters. Sirota is a very well-known ratfucker.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:04:06pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

since CNN is “fake news” I suppose this is a “fake apology”

[Facebook apologizes after mistaking President Trump’s social media director for a bot]

Was it the Moscow IP?

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:04:06pm

re: #84 jaunte

Didn’t they transfer the islands already?
nytimes.com

I think so…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:05:12pm

re: #93 lawhawk

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:05:27pm

O_o

Yeah, there’s a press of other work…. meaning that more indictments are going to be forthcoming? The court isn’t likely to take this excuse very well btw… unless you can actually show your work.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:05:57pm

re: #90 lawhawk

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and this is Bernie’s new press secretary:

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:06:18pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:07:29pm

June 24, 2017:
Egypt’s Sisi ratifies deal ceding Red Sea islands to Saudi Arabia
reuters.com

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:07:42pm

re: #94 Blind Frog Belly White

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I think the Angels will have to throw in some luxury tax and a case of baseballs too. Maybe a Triple A team in Taba.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:08:37pm

re: #98 jaunte

June 24, 2017:
Egypt’s Sisi ratifies deal ceding Red Sea islands to Saudi Arabia
reuters.com

OK, but Kushner’s taking credit for it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:12:07pm
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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:13:34pm

re: #23 Dr Lizardo

Britain outlawed slavery three decades before the USA did by an act of Parliament, the Slavery Abolition Act of 1833.

en.wikipedia.org

One of the less subtle and rarely talked about arguments for the Declaration of Independence (particularly in the southern colonies) was the Somerset v Stewart case where Lord Mansfield freed a slave brought to Britain from the colonies, holding:

The state of slavery is of such a nature that it is incapable of being introduced on any reasons, moral or political, but only by positive law [statute], which preserves its force long after the reasons, occasions, and time itself from whence it was created, is erased from memory. It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged

That decision was in 1772, and caused a great deal of angst in the colonies, especially when slaves in the colonies started petitioning for freedom.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:15:15pm

Bernie again showing why I don’t want him. His leadership skills are balls to the walls awful in picking quality people on his staff.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:16:43pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

“Who’s edgy? Get me edgy!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:17:29pm

this was mentioned here earlier, but I did not realize that there is a fucking chicken pox outbreak happening.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:17:33pm
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SteelPH  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:18:30pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Bernie again showing why I don’t want him. His leadership skills are balls to the walls awful in picking quality people on his staff.

Only those willing to fellatiate him it seems.

Sounds an awful like a certain orange blob in the White House.

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gwangung  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:19:23pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Bernie again showing why I don’t want him. His leadership skills are balls to the walls awful in picking quality people on his staff.

He continues to employ ethically shady people. Specifically for Sirota, he was being paid for writing on Democratic politics while advising Bernie simultaneously.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:19:58pm

Gonna call it a night. Have a good one, Lizards.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:20:47pm

re: #53 Man, DangerMan

it the wrong question in the presidential context

ND is represented in the senate with 2
and in the house in proportion to its population

what is the 2019 (ok 2020) rationale in electing the president proportionally by state as opposed to one person, one vote?

- its a meaningless argument. the same can be said about states and senators.
- if a state has more population in cities than rural the cities elect the senators
- vice versa the rurals do.
- while within the entire state, it’s one person, one vote, no proportionality by, say congressional district.

Congressional (and state/local legislative districts) must be drawn to have a near equal populations as possible. Now, sometimes that means one district might have more non-voters (either non-citizens or children) than another, but with the idea that we draw these lines once a decade, those concerns are less worrisome because children become adults, non-citizens become citizens, and people move. So, within the voting boundaries - whether state lines or district lines - it’s mostly one person one vote. The presidential vote is unique and doesn’t really fit with the principle of one person, one vote - you could make a compelling argument that if it wasn’t specifically in the constitution that it would be unconstitutional.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:21:32pm

re: #108 gwangung

He continues to employ ethically shady people. Specifically for Sirota, he was being paid for writing on Democratic politics while advising Bernie simultaneously.

Ethically shady is Bernie’s favorite kind of shady.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:23:30pm

re: #69 Scottish Dragon

B..b..b..but the states have to have the final say!! Little states will be ignored! California and New York will take over all elections!

if you give women and black people the vote then they’ll take over all elections and white voters will be ignored

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:24:12pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:24:40pm

re: #32 Scottish Dragon

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Why shre: #107 SteelPH

Only those willing to fellatiate him it seems.

Sounds an awful like a certain orange blob in the White House.

Why people don’t see that frustrates me to no end. They’re too busy seeing Bernie’s ideology and not seeing he really is a left wing Trump in some ways.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:25:16pm

re: #108 gwangung

He continues to employ ethically shady people. Specifically for Sirota, he was being paid for writing on Democratic politics while advising Bernie simultaneously.

All the while Bernie acts like he’s pure as driven snow. It’s infuriating

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:25:23pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

I see a “Duck or Rabbit?” board game.

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:27:26pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

There’s a measles outbreak in NY metro, and a judge ruled that students can’t return to school affected by the outbreak until they can show proof of vaccination.

If West Virginia can have no exemptions except for medical necessity, then every state can eliminate all the religious or ideological exemptions for vaccination.

Public health demands it.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:30:39pm

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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thank goodness for kevin kruse

it would be helpful if there was an analysis comparing ‘ending of slavery’ with the more practical/actual equal treatment of all people

im sure it was never instantaneous
and as my upthread pointed out, the US is still not facing the reality of it 150+ years later

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:32:24pm

re: #76 MsJ

Thanks. We are trying to get from Heathrow to Kensington as that is where the Big Bus picks up closes to the airport. Then we will do the BB tour around London before going back to Heathrow. The Tube looks to be around 40 minutes each way which gives us about 4 hours to do the tour thing and at least see London.

Or you could just go straight to the British Museum, spend your 4 hours there, and fuck the rest of the city.

It’s an awesome museum, full of awesome things.

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wrenchwench  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:34:16pm

re: #119 sagehen

Or you could just go straight to the British Museum, spend your 4 hours there, and fuck the rest of the city.

It’s an awesome museum, full of awesome things.

4 hours would be a tease visit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:35:00pm

re: #117 lawhawk

There’s a measles outbreak in NY metro, and a judge ruled that students can’t return to school affected by the outbreak until they can show proof of vaccination.

If West Virginia can have no exemptions except for medical necessity, then every state can eliminate all the religious or ideological exemptions for vaccination.

Public health demands it.

At some point, some immunocompromised kid who couldn’t be vaccinated will die of a measles contracted because some fucking moron didn’t vaccinate their own kid, and I hope that child’s parents sue the everloving fuck out of them.

Also, at some point a child whose custodial parent insisted on not vaccinating them will die of measles, and the noncustodial parent will sue, and I hope the take the moron to the cleaners.

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sagehen  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:37:52pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

It sadly is why Haiti has had rampant poverty for so long. A lot of nations refused to trade with them because they abolished slavery.

A big part of why other countries (including US) agreed to not attack Haiti is that they had to pay reparations to France. Seriously. The new country of Haiti was deemed to owe France the appraised value of the slaves France lost when Haiti freed them all and called them citizens.

They obviously didn’t have that kind of cash on hand; they borrowed it from the US and made more than 100 years of payments on that debt.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:43:26pm

re: #119 sagehen

Or you could just go straight to the British Museum, spend your 4 hours there, and fuck the rest of the city.

It’s an awesome museum, full of awesome things.

And the Picadilly line from Heathrow is convenient to it.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:47:08pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

this was mentioned here earlier, but I did not realize that there is a fucking chicken pox outbreak happening.

An 18-year-old from Kentucky is suing the Northern Kentucky Health Department after they banned unvaccinated children from schools until a chickenpox outbreak is contained.

you have a right to own and carry a gun
you cannot sneak a gun onto an airplane

you have a right to carry the chicken pox virus
you cannot sneak a virus into public schools

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:48:17pm

“…I don’t know if he’s definitely doing that here, but it whiffs of it to me. And, if he is, then when the far-right Bolsonaro isn’t invited with open arms into NATO the moment that NATO-hating Trump demands it, Trump will propose starting a new alliance altogether. An alliance of dictators.”

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:50:13pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:50:45pm

re: #110 KGxvi

Congressional (and state/local legislative districts) must be drawn to have a near equal populations as possible. Now, sometimes that means one district might have more non-voters (either non-citizens or children) than another, but with the idea that we draw these lines once a decade, those concerns are less worrisome because children become adults, non-citizens become citizens, and people move. So, within the voting boundaries - whether state lines or district lines - it’s mostly one person one vote. The presidential vote is unique and doesn’t really fit with the principle of one person, one vote - you could make a compelling argument that if it wasn’t specifically in the constitution that it would be unconstitutional.

i think we’re agreeing though you’re talking more about how reps are elected.
i was trying to explain (badly) that congressional districts dont choose senators

my point was also made better by
re: #65 Citizen K

re: #63 Scottish Dragon

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:51:01pm

re: #122 sagehen

A big part of why other countries (including US) agreed to not attack Haiti is that they had to pay reparations to France. Seriously. The new country of Haiti was deemed to owe France the appraised value of the slaves France lost when Haiti freed them all and called them citizens.

They obviously didn’t have that kind of cash on hand; they borrowed it from the US and made more than 100 years of payments on that debt.

Right and that sort of thing really impacts a nation’s economic and political development which is why Americans who judge Haiti need to learn history better.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:52:17pm

re: #89 HappyWarrior

It sadly is why Haiti has had rampant poverty for so long. A lot of nations refused to trade with them because they abolished slavery.

And the big money was in large-scale sugar plantations where slave lived an average of three years before dying. No one was going to go back to that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:53:08pm

re: #129 Barefoot Grin

And the big money was in large-scale sugar plantations where slave lived an average of three years before dying. No one was going to go back to that.

Yep.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:53:13pm

re: #124 Man, DangerMan

you have a right to own and carry a gun
you cannot sneak a gun onto an airplane

you have a right to carry the chicken pox virus
you cannot sneak a virus into public schools

Next thing you know, the NRA will say we need armed guards in the schools to keep out the unvaccinated.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:53:45pm
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gwangung  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:55:59pm

re: #132 Blind Frog Belly White

Ethics in political journalism….

Speaking of which, I’m wondering how many gamergaters are shrugging their shoulders at this….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:57:47pm

re: #122 sagehen

A big part of why other countries (including US) agreed to not attack Haiti is that they had to pay reparations to France. Seriously. The new country of Haiti was deemed to owe France the appraised value of the slaves France lost when Haiti freed them all and called them citizens.

They obviously didn’t have that kind of cash on hand; they borrowed it from the US and made more than 100 years of payments on that debt.

Russia’s serfs had to pay back the government for the money paid to reimburse their owners. That sent millions of them sent from their villages to work, living in barracks in the big cities, totally isolated, exploited and ignored, and formed the basis of the Russian proletariat that later rebelled and overthrew the Czar…

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lawhawk  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:58:42pm

Dumbassery … just dumbassery:

Of course Palin amplifies this nonsense. Who actually believes Muslims like Trump overseas. Maybe terrorists do because they watch the pool of people they can harm grow - and can’t escape the violence because Trump’s shut down the asylum route to immigrate to the US.

Right wing know nothings spout off endlessly in an echo chamber and have nothing to back it up. There’s no facts or evidence, just this person who has zero credibility (oh, she’s a doctor… doctor of what… not that it even matters, since there’s no actual facts there).

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 1:59:06pm

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Russia’s serfs had to pay back the government for the money paid to reimburse their owners. That sent millions of them sent from their villages to work in barracks in the big cities, totally isolated, exploited and ignored, and formed the basis of the Russian proletariat that later rebelled and overthrew the Czar…

“You deserve to be compensated for the loss of something you had no right to in the first place” is an odd, but apparently compelling argument.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:00:07pm

re: #135 lawhawk

Dumbassery … just dumbassery:

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Of course Palin amplifies this nonsense. Who actually believes Muslims like Trump overseas. Maybe terrorists do because they watch the pool of people they can harm grow - and can’t escape the violence because Trump’s shut down the asylum route to immigrate to the US.

Right wing know nothings spout off endlessly in an echo chamber and have nothing to back it up. There’s no facts or evidence, just this person who has zero credibility (oh, she’s a doctor… doctor of what… not that it even matters, since there’s no actual facts there).

Well, there’s MBS. Pretty sure he’s a fan.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:01:29pm

So Bernie Sanders is going all in on the Greenwald cult.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:02:16pm

He’s going full Greenwald. Which you should never do.

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:06:35pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

So Bernie Sanders is going all in on the Greenwald cult.

I hope to dog he gets crushed in the primaries.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:06:53pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:07:58pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Does she also talk like Katherine Hepburn?

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makeitstop  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:09:06pm

Fuck these people. Let them start their own goddamn party.

Not. One. Red. Cent, DNC. No infrastructure aid. Nothing.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:12:27pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Not to mention those bright up-and-comers “J.T. Hutt” and “John (sic) Snow”….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:15:33pm

re: #143 makeitstop

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Fuck these people. Let them start their own goddamn party.

Not. One. Red. Cent, DNC. No infrastructure aid. Nothing.

Nice hire Bernie.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:16:16pm

re: #135 lawhawk

Dumbassery … just dumbassery:

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Of course Palin amplifies this nonsense. Who actually believes Muslims like Trump overseas. Maybe terrorists do because they watch the pool of people they can harm grow - and can’t escape the violence because Trump’s shut down the asylum route to immigrate to the US.

Right wing know nothings spout off endlessly in an echo chamber and have nothing to back it up. There’s no facts or evidence, just this person who has zero credibility (oh, she’s a doctor… doctor of what… not that it even matters, since there’s no actual facts there).

Haha Sarah that’s such bs and you know it.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:18:29pm

I judge Bernie by the company he keeps. There’s no one in his inner circle that I would want in the WH Staff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:20:34pm

fucking clueless

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:22:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:22:51pm
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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:27:51pm

re: #119 sagehen

Or you could just go straight to the British Museum, spend your 4 hours there, and fuck the rest of the city.

It’s an awesome museum, full of awesome things.

I’ve been to London a few times, hubby hasn’t, so I’m looking for breadth not depth. It’s likely his only chance to see it, all the landmarks and the like.

Thanks for the suggestion though!!

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retired cynic  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:28:10pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking clueless

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SHE JUST LOST ME!

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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:28:28pm

re: #120 wrenchwench

4 hours would be a tease visit.

And the way we are with museums, we’d miss our flight info Paris.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:29:29pm

re: #153 MsJ

And the way we are with museums, we’d miss our flight info Paris.

Fish and chips, a couple of pints, and Bob’s yer uncle.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:33:35pm

re: #143 makeitstop

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john lewis: a man who knows how to herd cats

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nines09  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:38:41pm

Hello all.
One more OT musical interlude. I think I’m drawn to that smokey speak easy vibe these days. Far too many people stop! trying to find or discover or regain. Very strange.
Son…
Hope you enjoy.

Hugh Laurie ”The Weed Smoker’s Dream”

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:40:19pm

re: #127 Man, DangerMan

i think we’re agreeing though you’re talking more about how reps are elected.
i was trying to explain (badly) that congressional districts dont choose senators

my point was also made better by

I think I might have misunderstood your last point @53, I thought you were talking about elections at the sub-statewide level. That’s what I get for just sort of skimming the comments.

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plansbandc  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:42:01pm
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:44:01pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

So Bernie Sanders is going all in on the Greenwald cult.

He’s going to be so out of his depth at the debates.

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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:45:30pm

re: #159 Belafon

He’s going to be so out of his depth at the debates.

Wall Street!!

1%!!

It’s all he has. Everything he says fits in these two holes.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:50:18pm

re: #159 Belafon

He’s going to be so out of his depth at the debates.

Trump was out of his depth at debates — but he won anyway. He didn’t have to display any knowledge, just reiterate his talking points and insult everyone else, and he won the Republican primaries. The Bernie cult is strong. Nothing would please me more than if he disappears after the first debate, but one cannot underestimate the gullibility of the American public.

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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:54:05pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump was out of his depth at debates — but he won anyway. He didn’t have to display any knowledge, just reiterate his talking points and insult everyone else, and he won the Republican primaries. The Bernie cult is strong. Nothing would please me more than if he disappears after the first debate, but one cannot underestimate the gullibility of the American public.

GAH.

Fuck Bernie. Christ.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2019 • 2:56:58pm
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nines09  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:01:31pm

re: #158 plansbandc

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A puppy ever does that to to you and you do not pick it up and take it home, if that is you was looking for a puppy…
You lose.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:08:43pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump was out of his depth at debates — but he won anyway. He didn’t have to display any knowledge, just reiterate his talking points and insult everyone else, and he won the Republican primaries. The Bernie cult is strong. Nothing would please me more than if he disappears after the first debate, but one cannot underestimate the gullibility of the American public.

He also had cowards standing next to him.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:08:50pm

re: #161 Hecuba’s daughter

Trump was out of his depth at debates — but he won anyway. He didn’t have to display any knowledge, just reiterate his talking points and insult everyone else, and he won the Republican primaries. The Bernie cult is strong. Nothing would please me more than if he disappears after the first debate, but one cannot underestimate the gullibility of the American public.

The GOP primary audience and the Democratic primary audience are a bit different. The GOP primary voters in 2016 had been waiting for a wrecking ball like Trump for decades. I don’t think the Democratic primary voters are interested in that sort of thing now.

The electorate as a whole, seems to have changed after Trump’s election. I think 2018 shows that voters are a bit more aware than most had been in prior elections.

Lastly, debates aren’t so much about changing minds or advancing/moderating policy proposals. They are, in modern elections, about managing expectations. Trump “won” because he exceeded incredibly low expectations by a decent amount. Bernie as a putative frontrunner is going to have very high expectations, and if he doesn’t meet them, let alone exceed them, he’s going to be perceived as having “lost” the debate. That’s especially true in primary debates where the major candidates are shades of blue rather than the contrast of red and blue in the general election (where also, it’s still mostly about perception and expectations).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:30:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:33:10pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Damn. That’s good.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:34:35pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking clueless

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Arthritis is when the cartilage in your joints disintegrates and your bones are grinding against each other. Bone pain is the fucking worst!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:36:02pm

re: #167 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wut? Not sure that is a good analysis.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:41:00pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

fucking clueless

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Who is prescribing a month of pain killers for a wisdom tooth?

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:41:44pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:43:47pm

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Because who better to decide a medical decision than a legislator? Medical decision should be left between MDs and their patient….

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:45:47pm
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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:47:18pm

re: #164 nines09

A puppy ever does that to to you and you do not pick it up and take it home, if that is you was looking for a puppy…
You lose.

I’m already lost. And he’s not even mine.
❤️💋❤️💋

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:49:50pm

re: #170 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Wut? Not sure that is a good analysis.

He means that Trump is not a “world leader” in the way American presidents have been in the past. Trump hasn’t changed the minds of other heads of state/government around the world, he’s just wandering off doing his own thing.

I don’t know if the better analogy would be Steve Martin in the Jerk (“I don’t need you, I just need this chair, and this remote!”) or Howard Hughes walking around in a robe with tissue boxes for shoes and 24 inch finger nails.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:50:04pm
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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:51:08pm

re: #173 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Because who better to decide a medical decision than a legislator? Medical decision should be left between MDs and their patient….

This is not going to end well.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:51:58pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:52:06pm

re: #176 KGxvi

I meant Pompeo’s statement. Ambiguous phrasing on my part. Sorry.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:52:35pm
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:53:25pm

re: #174 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Transactional foreign policy is what a guy with one tool in the box does.
A singular unidimensional view of the world

Someone with no idea of the complexity and intricacies of actual …you know real life… foreign policy

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:53:36pm

re: #179 Backwoods_Sleuth

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You’re an idiot Tomi. Please shut up or actually read what AOC believes.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:54:12pm

re: #176 KGxvi

He means that Trump is not a “world leader” in the way American presidents have been in the past. Trump hasn’t changed the minds of other heads of state/government around the world, he’s just wandering off doing his own thing.

I don’t know if the better analogy would be Steve Martin in the Jerk (“I don’t need you, I just need this chair, and this remote!”) or Howard Hughes walking around in a robe with tissue boxes for shoes and 24 inch finger nails.

That’s how I read it too.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:55:13pm

Is thee btw any proof Trump actually donates to DHS because there’s a lot of history of Trump saying one thing and doing the opposite.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:55:40pm

re: #102 KGxvi

One of the less subtle and rarely talked about arguments for the Declaration of Independence (particularly in the southern colonies) was the Somerset v Stewart case where Lord Mansfield freed a slave brought to Britain from the colonies, holding:

That decision was in 1772, and caused a great deal of angst in the colonies, especially when slaves in the colonies started petitioning for freedom.

Edmund Burke, that darling of ‘conservatives’ spent his entire time in office fighting against slavery.

Somehow ‘conservatives’ never mention that.

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Decatur Deb  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:56:32pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Is thee btw any proof Trump actually donates to DHS because there’s a lot of history of Trump saying one thing and doing the opposite.

IIRC it is not possible to donate to a specific federal agency, only to the general fund.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:56:35pm

Nasty exchange with a Berniebot.

Got an IM that Bernie is coming to LA and they asked if I would attend.

I answered No because I support Warren

Berniebot then turns around and says why I am I not supporting Bernie because he is the only one who can beat Trump.

I replied I don’t want someone who surrounds himself with left wing versions of Trumpettes.

Another snarky response came.

I blocked the number.

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Romantic Heretic  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:57:22pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hey kid! They don’t let rabid animals on school grounds either.

And chickenpox is more dangerous that that.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:58:15pm

re: #188 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nasty exchange with a Berniebot.

Got an IM that Bernie is coming to LA and they asked if I would attend.

I answered No because I support Warren

Berniebot then turns around and says why I am I not supporting Bernie because he is the only one who can beat Trump.

I replied I don’t want someone who surrounds himself with left wing versions of Trumpettes.

Another snarky response came.

I blocked the number.

Berners are tone deaf.

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ObserverArt  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:58:29pm

So Bernie is going with his pack of dedicated Berners to head up his campaign.

I have a feeling they will not work well with each other and the campaign’s inner workings become a mess as they all fight for the love of their beloved candidate. They are too stark-struck with Bernie to really tell him what he needs to hear. The first person that tells Bernie the truth will be attacked by the others and the whole thing will get messy.

That must be why his former staff dropped out. They may have already seen something like that coming.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 3:58:59pm

re: #171 Man, DangerMan

Who is prescribing a month of pain killers for a wisdom tooth?

Doctors and Dentists pressured by the Sackler Family’s dope pushers!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:05:25pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:07:23pm
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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:09:11pm

re: #186 Romantic Heretic

Edmund Burke, that darling of ‘conservatives’ spent his entire time in office fighting against slavery.

Somehow ‘conservatives’ never mention that.

In fairness, most “conservatives” have no idea who Edmund Burke is.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:10:12pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:11:04pm
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MsJ  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:12:12pm

re: #188 Joe Bacon 🌹

Nasty exchange with a Berniebot.

Got an IM that Bernie is coming to LA and they asked if I would attend.

I answered No because I support Warren

Berniebot then turns around and says why I am I not supporting Bernie because he is the only one who can beat Trump.

I replied I don’t want someone who surrounds himself with left wing versions of Trumpettes.

Another snarky response came.

I blocked the number.

How to make friends enemies and influence people negatively.

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:13:49pm

re: #191 ObserverArt

So Bernie is going with his pack of dedicated Berners to head up his campaign.

I have a feeling they will not work well with each other and the campaign’s inner workings become a mess as they all fight for the love of their beloved candidate. They are too stark-struck with Bernie to really tell him what he needs to hear. The first person that tells Bernie the truth will be attacked by the others and the whole thing will get messy.

That must be why his former staff dropped out. They may have already seen something like that coming.

Good, Sanders would be a disaster as a nominee, let alone as president.

I’ve been saying this for three years now: Sanders benefited from a very thin field in 2016. In an ordinary year (like 2004 or 2008) he would have filled the Kucinich spot as an also ran who was never serious candidate and only served “to keep the moderates honest from the left” (sort of a mirror of the Gary Bauer/Rick Santorum types in the GOP primaries).

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KGxvi  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:15:56pm

By the way, I some how ended up on a Jay Inslee email list and that annoys me. I don’t sign up for email lists and somehow a while back ended up on a Tom Steyer one, which also annoyed the fuck out of me. It’s a great way to lose my vote, filling my email inbox with shit I don’t want.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:18:39pm

re: #200 KGxvi

By the way, I some how ended up on a Jay Inslee email list and that annoys me. I don’t sign up for email lists and somehow a while back ended up on a Tom Steyer one, which also annoyed the fuck out of me. It’s a great way to lose my vote, filling my email inbox with shit I don’t want.

12 e-mails in one day from Inslee was enough to turn me off of him. I sent the request to remove me from the mailing list. They still show up in my e-mail so I direct anything from him into my junk mail folder.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:20:33pm

Sure, Dunny.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:22:54pm

re: #202 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Sure, Dunny.

Where did Donny get his PhD in economics?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:27:01pm

re: #200 KGxvi

By the way, I some how ended up on a Jay Inslee email list and that annoys me. I don’t sign up for email lists and somehow a while back ended up on a Tom Steyer one, which also annoyed the fuck out of me. It’s a great way to lose my vote, filling my email inbox with shit I don’t want.

I got on Kamala, Bernie, & Beto’s list. Dunno how.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:27:32pm

re: #202 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Sure, Dunny.

Yawn. Nothing but a pathetic Daddy’s boy.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:30:04pm

re: #196 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love that cat. He looks just like our Punkie did: long and rangy, big ears—hell, it looks like he’s got a scar on his nose in the same place.

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Jay C  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:34:55pm

re: #202 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

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Sure, Dunny.

Kinda hard to parse that typo: should it be “Donny” or “Dummy”?
Just to be safe, I’ll go with both…..

And why would any paper (anywhere) waste their column space on a professional waste of space like Trump Jr.????

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:37:50pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:38:22pm

re: #207 Jay C

Kinda hard to parse that typo: should it be “Donny” or “Dummy”?
Just to be safe, I’ll go with both…..

And why would any paper (anywhere) waste their column space on a professional waste of space like Trump Jr.????

It’s the TORYGRAPH!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:40:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:40:50pm

re: #210 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s so pathetic how he livetweets his ass being kissed.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:40:56pm

oh, really…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:47:02pm

re: #212 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, really…

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Shut up you corrupt asshole.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:48:01pm

Maybe they’d prefer a coal plant next door.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:50:22pm
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:54:31pm

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As people pointed out, McCain supported repeal and replace. What he didn’t support was repeal and maybe we’ll get back to it at a future date.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:59:44pm
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freetoken  Mar 19, 2019 • 4:59:52pm

re: #214 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Maybe they’d prefer a coal plant next door.

I read that story with a bit of skepticism.

Namely, I too think that clear cutting trees for the sake of solar in a region where the insolation is not that great (compare to us here in San Diego) is a backwards step.

For those in the north, geothermal is often a better approach to moving to a non-carbon energy source. Those in the wind-belt of course can put up a few turbines, but in the low areas of the East Coast wind is often not a reliable source of energy.

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freetoken  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:02:03pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

“I can’t understand” = “I’m afraid to speak the truth to the Trumpidiots.”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:02:52pm

re: #217 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah you can’t imsgine. You and Trump are two spoiled brats who know nothing what sacrifice is:

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:03:08pm

re: #214 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

re: #218 freetoken

To be honest I rather have solar. I could have panels put on the roof facing south. That is where I get most of my sunshine.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:03:09pm

re: #219 freetoken

“I can’t understand” = “I’m afraid to speak the truth to the Trumpidiots.”

Pretty much.

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freetoken  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:08:06pm

MAGAdolt:

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:08:11pm

Ha ha!

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:14:11pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL J. T. Hutt.

Jabba would probably fit right in with the rest of that hive of scum and villainy.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:18:40pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:21:28pm

re: #226 Belafon

I am waiting for H S Harrington. No doubt that she will be mentioned later.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:30:15pm

I think we have another entry for Philly Pretzel’s thread enders. Darn.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:30:18pm
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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:32:28pm

re: #228 PhillyPretzel

I think we have another entry for Philly Pretzel’s thread enders. Darn.

Estudio español. Lo siento.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:33:12pm

re: #230 Belafon

English translation please.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:35:50pm

re: #230 Belafon

Estudio español. Lo siento.

I’m studying Spanish. Sorry.

Now that I think about it, since I am actually, at this moment studying spanish, I should have said estudiando español. I haven’t used that one much so I forgot about it.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:36:36pm

re: #226 Belafon

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I am curious — is Trump’s Council of Economic advisers competent? And are their reports credible? The CEA tweeted that they were totally aware of this prank.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:41:35pm
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:42:54pm
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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:48:32pm

I keep reading news headlines claiming that Willard Romney really slammed Trump over McCain today. I read what he said and just want to say that “slam” has apparently completely changed meaning since the last time I looked it up.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:51:18pm

re: #236 Skip Intro

I keep reading news headlines claiming that Willard Romney really slammed Trump over McCain today. I read what he said and just want to say that “slam” has apparently completely changed meaning since the last time I looked it up.

Yeah it was a light tapping at most. It’s still going to infuriate all of Dear Leader’s fans tho.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:52:16pm

tbh I think Liz Mair’s a little off herself, but it’s absolutely bizarre that Devin Nunes focused on her.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:56:39pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 5:57:28pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:03:37pm

I don’t know who is the whinier crybaby, POS45 or Junior.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:04:24pm

re: #240 Charles Johnson

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“Basically, it’s an automatic 10-point drop when the health department inspects the next day….”

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:09:29pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know who is the whinier crybaby, POS45 or Junior.

[Embedded content]

Both are equally.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:10:11pm

Interesting to see West Virginia using consumer protection laws to go after pedophile priests

washingtonpost.com

West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey sued the Catholic diocese of Wheeling-Charleston and its former bishop Michael J. Bransfield on Tuesday, charging that they “knowingly employed pedophiles and failed to conduct adequate background checks” for people working in Catholic schools and camps, a news release from Morrisey’s office says.

The lawsuit, the latest dramatic civil action against the American church in the past year, alleges violations of the state’s consumer protection laws. It accuses the diocese of advertising safe environments for children while at the same time, the complaint says, choosing “to cover up and conceal arguably criminal behavior of child sexual abuse.”

Some child abuse experts said the move was precedent-setting, both in terms of targeting an entire diocese rather than individual priests, and by using consumer law to launch a civil lawsuit which could unlock the church’s files through legal discovery. The West Virginia attorney general used the consumer fraud strategy because, as with attorneys general in other states, he is not empowered to launch a criminal grand jury investigation.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:13:04pm

The dental hygienist is a chatty one, clearly conservative, and, to be honest, a bit out there. She would make a great chattering nun from Good Omens. But she told me today that she thinks that marijuana should be legal because even though she never did it - she admits to drinking more than her fair share when she was younger - she knows quite a few people who have smoked it and it hasn’t done anything to them, and they didn’t decide they needed something stronger later on.

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piratedan  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:13:26pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

I find it ironic that Conservatives are upset about their speech being censored on the web as being against the open discourse of ideas, yet for some reason they seem to feel that speaking freely about dreaming of murdering healthcare providers at Planned Parenthood, denying due process of the law to people of differing melanin content for the perceived crime of even existing and denying anyone of any other faith as having rights of freedom of worship is somehow “un-American” as something other than the hate speech that it obviously is, but I guess the English that I understand and use is somehow a completely different definition and meaning when they use it, but I guess that’s how it is when you live in a context free environment.

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jaunte  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:17:48pm

“…The Texas Commission on Environmental Quality has fined the company at least 10 times since 2002 — and at least twice last year — for various pollution incidents. The company also has been in “significant” noncompliance with the federal Clean Water Act for nine of the last 12 quarters, according to an Environmental Protection Agency enforcement database.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:18:11pm

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

Interesting to see West Virginia using consumer protection laws to go after pedophile priests

washingtonpost.com

West Virginia Attorney General Patrick Morrisey sued the Catholic diocese of Wheeling-Charleston and its former bishop Michael J. Bransfield on Tuesday, charging that they “knowingly employed pedophiles and failed to conduct adequate background checks” for people working in Catholic schools and camps, a news release from Morrisey’s office says.

The lawsuit, the latest dramatic civil action against the American church in the past year, alleges violations of the state’s consumer protection laws. It accuses the diocese of advertising safe environments for children while at the same time, the complaint says, choosing “to cover up and conceal arguably criminal behavior of child sexual abuse.”

Some child abuse experts said the move was precedent-setting, both in terms of targeting an entire diocese rather than individual priests, and by using consumer law to launch a civil lawsuit which could unlock the church’s files through legal discovery. The West Virginia attorney general used the consumer fraud strategy because, as with attorneys general in other states, he is not empowered to launch a criminal grand jury investigation.

Now do the same to the Southern Baptists and then we’ll talk.

Narrator: They won’t….

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:24:19pm

re: #245 Belafon

That’s going to be an ex-conservative. She can observe and is willing to change her opinion according to what she sees.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:26:10pm

re: #249 Unshaken Defiance

That’s going to be an ex-conservative. She can observe and is willing to change her opinion according to what she sees.

Many of us here are “ex-conservatives” who went through the change when Charles did.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:26:58pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:30:50pm

re: #246 piratedan

I find it ironic that Conservatives are upset about their speech being censored on the web as being against the open discourse of ideas, yet for some reason they seem to feel that speaking freely about dreaming of murdering healthcare providers at Planned Parenthood, denying due process of the law to people of differing melanin content for the perceived crime of even existing and denying anyone of any other faith as having rights of freedom of worship is somehow “un-American” as something other than the hate speech that it obviously is, but I guess the English that I understand and use is somehow a completely different definition and meaning when they use it, but I guess that’s how it is when you live in a context free environment.

O’Reilly never apologized for his venomous attacks on Tiller, which led to his murder. These conservatives want to be free to promote hate speech but these snowflakes cannot take humor directed against them. They want to silence their critics and only permit their ideas to circulate.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:32:35pm

re: #242 Barefoot Grin

“Basically, it’s an automatic 10-point drop when the health department inspects the next day….”

That’s the rock and roll tax.

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Skip Intro  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:36:50pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

Jr. wants to be pres in 2024.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:39:14pm

re: #251 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

They want to burn airframe hours on a fools mission let them.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:43:43pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

Jr. wants to be pres in 2024.

Every time my sister says that Trump will announce his assumption of the title President for Life, I point out that the Constitutional approach is for him to have his offspring serve 2 terms each. Nothing prevents such a nightmare from happening. You can retain the form of the Constitution while totally abandoning its substance.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:45:10pm

re: #254 Skip Intro

Jr. wants to be pres in 2024.

He can be President of his cell block.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 6:58:58pm

re: #216 Belafon

As people pointed out, McCain supported repeal and replace. What he didn’t support was repeal and maybe we’ll get back to it at a future date.

All this time and they still don’t even have a “replace” to look at and argue over

Not that there ever really was gonna be one…

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:00:44pm

re: #223 freetoken

MAGAdolt:

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They’re all arguing rpthe EC is necessary because they wouldn’t like the outcomes otherwise

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Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:06:44pm

re: #241 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t know who is the whinier crybaby, POS45 or Junior.

[Embedded content]

Hey, I’m a conservative tweeting a link to my op ed about conservatives being censored by Twitter.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:07:54pm

This video is excellent. Well worth the 43 minutes. Cody takes Fucker Gnarlson to the woodshed.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:11:42pm

re: #223 freetoken

MAGAdolt:

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So backwards, racist, anti-science shitholes can disproportionately impact my life? Fuck. That.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:20:45pm

I saw oaktree came back and bantered a bit!

He shared this here and with his permission I shared it on Twitter.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:20:47pm

re: #262 Mike Lamb

So backwards, racist, anti-science shitholes can disproportionately impact my life? Fuck. That.

There’s a reason people keep moving out of these shitholes to states like New York and California, where they generate the wealth that subsidizes the rest. 10 states subsidize the other 40, and these assholes want to disenfranchise all of them (except Texas, I imagine).

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:22:19pm

For fuck’s sake, the orange fuckstick is tweeting again.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:23:48pm

Is Twitter having issues tonite or is it me?

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:26:29pm

re: #266 Dave In Austin

Is Twitter having issues tonite or is it me?

It seems people on AT&T are having issues with Twitter.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:27:09pm

re: #267 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

And that would be me….. Interesting.

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Belafon  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:27:22pm

h/t Anne Laurie

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:30:29pm

re: #269 Belafon

[Embedded content]

h/t Anne Laurie

President Lazy Bum.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:43:46pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:45:16pm

The reason he now loves the EC is because he lost the PV & the EC is easy for his colluding Russian friends to game.

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freetoken  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:45:47pm

As lottery jackpots climb so do the number of silly and misleading articles pushed around on social media or published in mainstream outlets.

An often problem is innumeracy, but also common is intense magical thinking.

Trump was elected by a nation of magical thinkers (some of whom, yes, are racist bigots).

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:47:08pm

re: #272 The Vicious Babushka

The reason he now loves the EC is because he lost the PV & the EC is easy for his colluding Russian friends to game.

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Such a blatant load of shit. If he had lost the EC but won the PV, he’d be complaining nonstop. Principle lacking lying loser.

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Ace-o-aces  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:48:17pm
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:49:45pm
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Ace-o-aces  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:52:20pm

So, as I understand it, Germany’s economy is growing faster than expected, and the Trump administration is upset that they’re not just throwing random money at their military to meet some arbitrary deadline.

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teleskiguy  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:52:58pm

Jim ain’t wrong.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 19, 2019 • 7:58:12pm

re: #278 Ace-o-aces

[Embedded content]

So, as I understand it, Germany’s economy is growing faster than expected, and the Trump administration is upset that they’re not just throwing random money at their military to meet some arbitrary deadline.

Grenell isn’t interested in being ambassador. He’s interested in aiding Merkel’s far right enemies.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Mar 19, 2019 • 10:33:58pm

Oops.


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