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Charles Johnson  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:28:48pm
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mmmirele  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:32:40pm

Don’t know if this was reported, I heard it on BBC World when I was running errands earlier:

CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand — Hoping to limit the spread of hateful ideas attributed to the suspect accused of the Christchurch killings, New Zealand classified his so-called manifesto as “objectionable” on Saturday, making it a crime to possess or distribute it anywhere in the country.

“People who have downloaded this document, or printed it, should destroy any copies,” said David Shanks, the chief censor in New Zealand’s Department of Internal Affairs.

nytimes.com

I have slightly mixed emotions. I do think that scholars of hate groups should be able to look at it, if only to separate out the shitposting. Also, as an American, the idea of having a “chief censor” gives me the willies. But I do understand why the NZ government is doing this.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:34:43pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

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Those are so exhausting. No one forced the right but themselves to embrace Trump. The refusal of the never Trump right to take any responsibility for why their ideology lent itself so easily to Trump is frankly why I hope after Trump they are discredited too. Rick Wilson makes me laugh but I really think most never Trump conservatives are so blinded by this idea that Trump “hijacked conservatism” rather than seeing that conservative ideology is part of the problem. This party was sending Steve King to Congress long before Trump and shocker he’s being a racist prick again, this time about Katrina victims.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:35:39pm

re: #2 mmmirele

Don’t know if this was reported, I heard it on BBC World when I was running errands earlier:

nytimes.com

I have slightly mixed emotions. I do think that scholars of hate groups should be able to look at it, if only to separate out the shitposting. Also, as an American, the idea of having a “chief censor” gives me the willies. But I do understand why the NZ government is doing this.

It’s definitely tough.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:37:27pm

The Friday night dinner group included a Trumpster — among his political comments this evening were (paraphrasing):

1. The Mueller investigation was a total witch hunt.
2. Macron’s recent public remarks make Trump appear brilliant in contrast.
3. The Democrats are losing Jewish support.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:39:04pm

re: #5 Hecuba’s daughter

The Friday night dinner group included a Trumpster — among his political comments this evening were (paraphrasing):

1. The Mueller investigation was a total witch hunt.
2. Macron’s recent public remarks make Trump appear brilliant in contrast.
3. The Democrats are losing Jewish support.

Your Trumper is an idiot, no offense. Republicans continue to act like American Jews only care about Israel which I’d argue is pretty damn Antisemitic in itself.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:41:56pm

And considering that Trump denied the Russians interfered at all doesn’t vindicate him at all or that this was s witch hunt. Trump is a crook. Whether the Mueller Report recommends charges or not, he is and he’s going to be in litigation hell once he becomes former President because Barr won’t be able to protect him then.

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Citizen K  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:42:26pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Those are so exhausting. No one forced the right but themselves to embrace Trump. The refusal of the never Trump right to take any responsibility for why their ideology lent itself so easily to Trump is frankly why I hope after Trump they are discredited too. Rick Wilson makes me laugh but I really think most never Trump conservatives are so blinded by this idea that Trump “hijacked conservatism” rather than seeing that conservative ideology is part of the problem. This party was sending Steve King to Congress long before Trump and shocker he’s being a racist prick again, this time about Katrina victims.

To be a conservative in this country is to never be held accountable for anything.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:46:03pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

Your Trumper is an idiot, no offense. Republicans continue to act like American Jews only care about Israel which I’d argue is pretty damn Antisemitic in itself.

I think he believes that the candidates boycotting the AIPAC annual meeting will lead to the Jewish community abandoning Democrats. My riposte to his comments was that I detested Netanyahu for over 20 years. Many Jews who deeply care about Israel have lost their enthusiasm for the direction that AIPAC membership has taken to support Trump and Netanyahu.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:47:40pm

re: #8 Citizen K

To be a conservative in this country is to never be held accountable for anything.

Isn’t that the truth? I mean they can’t EVER admit to being on the wrong side of an issue. They seriously want to frame Civil Rights as them supporting it because there were Republicans who supported Civil Rights and Dems opposed. As far as I’m concerned, they forfeited that when they nominated Goldwater and embraced the Southern Strategy. I mean I’ll admkt, the left isn’t always right but goddamn I’ll take the left’s track record over the right in our history.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:49:17pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

I think he believes that the candidates boycotting the AIPAC annual meeting will lead to the Jewish community abandoning Democrats. My riposte to his comments was that I detested Netanyahu for over 20 years. Many Jews who deeply care about Israel have lost their enthusiasm for the direction that AIPAC membership has taken to support Trump and Netanyahu.

Exactly.

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Citizen K  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:50:07pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Isn’t that the truth? I mean they can’t EVER admit to being on the wrong side of an issue. They seriously want to frame Civil Rights as them supporting it because there were Republicans who supported Civil Rights and Dems opposed. As far as I’m concerned, they forfeited that when they nominated Goldwater and embraced the Southern Strategy. I mean I’ll admkt, the left isn’t always right but goddamn I’ll take the left’s track record over the right in our history.

I mean, the problem isn’t that they won’t ever admit to blame. That’s half expected. It’s that none of our supposed unbiased, objective observers in politics, the media, etc. ever lay blame on them when blame is due. It’s always somehow linked back to Dems and liberals being the forbidden god-banes of all politics and the root of all evil.

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mmmirele  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:53:57pm

And in “sports not reported in America,” Friday was the 13th day of the Haru sumo basho in Osaka. Sumo is the national sport of Japan and the top prize is known as the “Emperor’s Cup.” In the Tokyo arena, there is a box for the emperor should he decide to come to matches. The current emperor has been known to stay away from matches if there’s scandal in sumo. (And yes, there has been scandal.)

So far, the yokozuna (highest ranking of sumo wrestlers) Hakuho is undefeated after 13 matches. Hakuho is 34 years old and probably getting close to thinking about retirement, but the way he just comes back from what looks like certain defeat is simply magical. He really is the Greatest of All Time as far as sumo goes.

Also, the sekiwake Takakeisho won his ninth match today. All he has to do is win one more match in convincing style (out of the two days left) and he should be promoted to ozeki, which is the second rank in the top tier of sumo. Today, he just pushed his opponent Takayasu out of the ring. It wasn’t great sumo, but it was “I am completely out of f*cks to give” sumo.

There are a number of people who post all the top ranked matches on YouTube. Those are just the bouts, not the ceremonial foot stomping, salt throwing, banner advertising (!) and suchlike. This guy Chris Gould picks only the top matches and shows some of the ceremony around the actual matches. Here’s today’s offering:

Osaka 2019, Day 13: Hakuho v Goeido, Takayasu v Takakeisho etc.

I would love to go to a day of sumo in Japan. But this year, probably the closest I’m going to get is being able to watch some sumo on TV in the evenings when I’m in Japan during the May basho.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:54:05pm

re: #12 Citizen K

I mean, the problem isn’t that they won’t ever admit to blame. That’s half expected. It’s that none of our supposed unbiased, objective observers in politics, the media, etc. ever lay blame on them when blame is due. It’s always somehow linked back to Dems and liberals being the forbidden god-banes of all politics and the root of all evil.

I think that’s all part of the same thing. This idea that conservatism is a flawless ideology and liberalism is always wrong but I’ll tell you what gets me riled up is the lies on economics. We never were a purely capitalist society. The red-baiting is just race baiting because they know their base doesn’t want other people to get the same benefits they do.

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Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:55:56pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

I think he believes that the candidates boycotting the AIPAC annual meeting will lead to the Jewish community abandoning Democrats. My riposte to his comments was that I detested Netanyahu for over 20 years. Many Jews who deeply care about Israel have lost their enthusiasm for the direction that AIPAC membership has taken to support Trump and Netanyahu.

I probably would have asked him if he thinks American Jews are so ignorant that they can’t tell the difference between Israel and Netanyahu, that you can support a country and yet oppose its leader.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 8:58:50pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I probably would have asked him if he thinks American Jews are so ignorant that they can’t tell the difference between Israel and Netanyahu, that you can support a country and yet oppose its leader.

It’s a form of bigotry. The Jewish version of “The Dem Plantation.” And yet they continue to be shocked why their party gets more white.

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Citizen K  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:00:55pm

re: #14 HappyWarrior

I think that’s all part of the same thing. This idea that conservatism is a flawless ideology and liberalism is always wrong but I’ll tell you what gets me riled up is the lies on economics. We never were a purely capitalist society. The red-baiting is just race baiting because they know their base doesn’t want other people to get the same benefits they do.

Oh, I get that, it’s just that the idea of conservatism’s flawlessness seems to just be accepted writ large across the whole discourse, not just taken as gospel on the right. It seems like a fully baked in assumption even among the lefty side of the discourse until all too recently.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:04:10pm

re: #17 Citizen K

Oh, I get that, it’s just that the idea of conservatism’s flawlessness seems to just be accepted writ large across the whole discourse, not just taken as gospel on the right. It seems like a fully baked in assumption even among the lefty side of the discourse until all too recently.

Honestly I’m proud to be a liberal. At the risk of sounding smug, the left has usually been right about the pressing issues of the day.

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Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:05:01pm

re: #17 Citizen K

Oh, I get that, it’s just that the idea of conservatism’s flawlessness seems to just be accepted writ large across the whole discourse, not just taken as gospel on the right. It seems like a fully baked in assumption even among the lefty side of the discourse until all too recently.

It’s the “it can only be failed…” fallacy, the idea that conservative ideals work if executed faithfully and in full, and the failure of them in practice is a matter of implementation.

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ckkatz  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:07:43pm

For those looking at Pittsburgh ‘hygge’/’gemuchlichkeit’ …

The Cathedral of Learning:

en.wikipedia.org
tour.pitt.edu

Other buildings on the same 14 acre plot are:

Stephen Foster Memorial
en.wikipedia.org

(It looks like the Stephen Foster sculture was taken down:
en.wikipedia.org
post-gazette.com
)

Heinz Chapel
en.wikipedia.org
heinzchapel.pitt.edu

And the Log Cabin:
en.wikipedia.org
tour.pitt.edu

Across the Forbes Avenue to the south is Carnegie Museum

en.wikipedia.org

And Schenley Plaza
en.wikipedia.org

The “Dirty ‘O’” in Oakland mentioned earlier is several blocks west along Forbes Avenue.
theoriginalhotdogshop.com

Regarding the Nationality rooms in the Cathedral of Learning, here is some more information:

nationalityrooms.pitt.edu

And here are the rooms.
(There is a short 2-3 minute video linked to the label of each room picture.)

nationalityrooms.pitt.edu

Happy might find the Irish Room of interest. I must note that the door frame is fairly low. I had a class in it one time, and being tall, I smacked my head on the door frame more than once. It may have added to my dislike of the class.

Irish Room

Interesting note:
The last 30 seconds of this Movie clip were filmed in Schenley Plaza at the Carnegie Museum:

Flashdance - Final Dance

Edit - I was still editing this when it posted, not sure why. So I had to go back in and clean it up

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Citizen K  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:14:37pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

It’s the “it can only be failed…” fallacy, the idea that conservative ideals work if executed faithfully and in full, and the failure of them in practice is a matter of implementation.

It’s just fucking exhausting. It’s part of the same acceptance that the GOP is by necessity the default for governance, and deserves power just by existence. Dems only ever get given a chance when the GOP fucks up significantly, and even then only ever given enough slack to fix things to some extent before the country says ‘Ok, you’ve had enough time, it’s the ‘real’ rulers turn again’.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:14:44pm

Friday Nite Forge!
Dragon’s Breath Damascus Steel

Dragon’s Breath Damascus Steel, making a blade.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:15:19pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

I probably would have asked him if he thinks American Jews are so ignorant that they can’t tell the difference between Israel and Netanyahu, that you can support a country and yet oppose its leader.

Then they’d have to admit that opposing Trump doesn’t mean you hate America.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:16:37pm

re: #20 ckkatz

For those looking at Pittsburgh ‘hygge’/’gemuchlichkeit’ …

The Cathedral of Learning:

en.wikipedia.org
tour.pitt.edu

Other buildings on the same 14 acre plot are:

Stephen Foster Memorial
en.wikipedia.org

(It looks like the Stephen Foster sculture was taken down:
en.wikipedia.org
post-gazette.com
)

Heinz Chapel
en.wikipedia.org
heinzchapel.pitt.edu

And the Log Cabin:
en.wikipedia.org
tour.pitt.edu

Across the Forbes Avenue to the south is Carnegie Museum

en.wikipedia.org

And Schenley Plaza
en.wikipedia.org

The “Dirty ‘O’” in Oakland mentioned earlier is several blocks west along Forbes Avenue.
theoriginalhotdogshop.com

Regarding the Nationality rooms in the Cathedral of Learning, here is some more information:

nationalityrooms.pitt.edu

And here are the rooms.
(There is a short 2-3 minute video linked to the label of each room picture.)

nationalityrooms.pitt.edu
I really want to explore more of Pittsburgh now that I know where my dad’s parents grew up? His dad’s grandfather had a blacksmith shop in Deutschtown. His mom’s grandfather’s father owned a tavern in Ross and there’s even a census designated place named after him there.
Happy might find the Irish Room of interest. I must note that the door frame is fairly low. I had a class in it one time, and being tall, I smacked my head on the door frame more than once. It may have added to my dislike of the class.

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Edit - I was still editing this when it posted, not sure why. So I had to go back in and clean it up

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:17:16pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

It’s the “it can only be failed…” fallacy, the idea that conservative ideals work if executed faithfully and in full, and the failure of them in practice is a matter of implementation.

They’re like diehard Socialists in that way.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:18:03pm

Pitt Memories:

I remember marching with the SDS in 1974 demanding Foster’s statue removal.

Watching classic movies at Lawrence Hall.

Remembering the demolition of Forbes Field and seeing the University build new offices on the site. Except a little bit of the wall remained with a plaque where Bill Mazerowski made his famous 1960 World Series play.

The “O” which kept me fed during all night study sessions with the fries, dogs and subs.

Frankie Gustine’s restaurant with the greatest seafood I ever ate.

Litchfield Towers where I held court at 404 Tower C for 4 years.

The King’s Court Theater which ran Flesh Gordon for over 2 years and where one of the first Rocky Horror Midnight Shows began.

Beautiful Heinz Chapel.

There was a great Chinese place The House Of Chiang where I could feast on roast pork fried rice for the incredible price of 85¢.

Gus Miller’s News Stand on Forbes where you could get newspapers from all over the world.

Carnegie Museum with the dinosaur collection and wonderful cafeteria.

Hillman Library with thousands of rare volumes and original manuscripts.

and now I realize it’s 42 years since I graduated…

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:21:52pm

I either forgot or didn’t hear that Harry Reid is dealing with pancreatic cancer: dailykos.com.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:25:07pm

Seth Abramson makes a good point in his tweet thread that is unrolled here, dailykos.com, that the special counsel’s office still had things to be done, including prosecuting Roger Stone, which will be conducted in November.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:25:50pm

re: #17 Citizen K

Oh, I get that, it’s just that the idea of conservatism’s flawlessness seems to just be accepted writ large across the whole discourse, not just taken as gospel on the right. It seems like a fully baked in assumption even among the lefty side of the discourse until all too recently.

If you really think about it: Trump’s refusal to ever apologize or admit error is just a standard conservative behavior. On every issue across the board, they never reconsider their positions; they promote the same deceit and misconceptions on economics and health care year in and year out. The news media never calls them out on this.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:28:50pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon 🌹

Pitt Memories:

I remember marching with the SDS in 1974 demanding Foster’s statue removal.

Watching classic movies at Lawrence Hall.

Remembering the demolition of Forbes Field and seeing the University build new offices on the site. Except a little bit of the wall remained with a plaque where Bill Mazerowski made his famous 1960 World Series play.

The “O” which kept me fed during all night study sessions with the fries, dogs and subs.

Frankie Gustine’s restaurant with the greatest seafood I ever ate.

Litchfield Towers where I held court at 404 Tower C for 4 years.

The King’s Court Theater which ran Flesh Gordon for over 2 years and where one of the first Rocky Horror Midnight Shows began.

Beautiful Heinz Chapel.

There was a great Chinese place The House Of Chiang where I could feast on roast pork fried rice for the incredible price of 85¢.

Gus Miller’s News Stand on Forbes where you could get newspapers from all over the world.

Carnegie Museum with the dinosaur collection and wonderful cafeteria.

Hillman Library with thousands of rare volumes and original manuscripts.

and now I realize it’s 42 years since I graduated…

You graduated 40 years after my Dads Dad. He was a frat brother of a guy you and other Lizards may know named Eugene Curran Kelly. When my Dad’s father died. My cousin wrote him and he wrote back. Cool thing is that both Gene and my grandfather were both staunch liberals. I still contend that my Nana helped make him one. He came from a Republican family which amuses me given I don’t know of any of my immediate cousins or aunts or uncles who is. My Dad’s oldest sister is vehemently anti clerical.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:29:47pm

re: #27 Belafon

I either forgot or didn’t hear that Harry Reid is dealing with pancreatic cancer: dailykos.com.

Yeah poor Harry may not have much time left.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:30:03pm

re: #27 Belafon

I either forgot or didn’t hear that Harry Reid is dealing with pancreatic cancer: dailykos.com.

And they’ll attack his corpse mercilessly when he passes. Count on it. for the time being I think he’s standing his ground from what I’ve heard.

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:30:24pm

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Friday Nite Forge!
Dragon’s Breath Damascus Steel

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Interesting look. I’m not usually fond of modern pattern welding (aka damascus) as it is generally not as strong as a good mono forged billet with good tempering. Still it is a pretty piece and like exquisite craftsmanship always does, it makes me wish I could custom order the saber of my dreams :)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:31:42pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

You graduated 40 years after my Dads Dad. He was a frat brother of a guy you and other Lizards may know named Eugene Curran Kelly. When my Dad’s father died. My cousin wrote him and he wrote back. Cool thing is that both Gene and my grandfather were both staunch liberals. I still contend that my Nana helped make him one. He came from a Republican family which amuses me given I don’t know of any of my immediate cousins or aunts or uncles who is. My Dad’s oldest sister is vehemently anti clerical.

Happy I got a feeling I know who Mr. Gene Kelly from the East Liberty area of Pittsburgh is. What I never could figure out is why Pitt’s Film Club was named after another famous actor, Franklin Pangborn…

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Citizen K  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:32:03pm

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

If you really think about it: Trump’s refusal to ever apologize or admit error is just a standard conservative behavior. On every issue across the board, they never reconsider their positions; they promote the same deceit and misconceptions on economics and health care year in and year out. The news media never calls them out on this.

Oh, definitely, it’s why I refuse to accept any attempt to brand Trump as somehow uniquely bad or anything. He is the logical extension of the GOP’s bad faith and the carte blanche constantly extended to them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:32:58pm

Can Trump stand yet another weekend without…

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:33:02pm

re: #32 Dave In Austin

And they’ll attack his corpse mercilessly when he passes. Count on it. for the time being I think he’s standing his ground from what I’ve heard.

He really grew on me. Reid after Daschle was defeated wasn’t my choice for Senate leader but he was able. Hope he continues to fight.

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Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:35:02pm

re: #21 Citizen K

It’s just fucking exhausting. It’s part of the same acceptance that the GOP is by necessity the default for governance, and deserves power just by existence. Dems only ever get given a chance when the GOP fucks up significantly, and even then only ever given enough slack to fix things to some extent before the country says ‘Ok, you’ve had enough time, it’s the ‘real’ rulers turn again’.

It’s because the GOP are the party of projection, so when they say that the DNC “buys” votes by “giving away” things, they’re really admitting that that’s the way they win elections. Tax cuts, deregulation, “cheap” health insurance, and endless promises of job creation that will come not through government spending but unleashing the “power of the free market.” All they do on the campaign trail is promise an endless cornucopia of goodies with no cost to voters.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:35:23pm

re: #33 William Lewis

It’s art…. And this guy does some of the best. Some of the best I’ve seen have come out of Ukraine and Russia.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:36:05pm

re: #34 Joe Bacon 🌹

Happy I got a feeling I know who Mr. Gene Kelly from the East Liberty area of Pittsburgh is. What I never could figure out is why Pitt’s Film Club was named after another famous actor, Franklin Pangborn…

Haha yeah I know. I don’t either. Gene is so iconic. My Nana danced with him. My Dad told me that his parents who were high school sweethearts saw Perry Como too before he got big. Nana also talked about her father being friends with Honus Wagner too. We still have tons of family in Pittsburgh.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:36:49pm

Puppies!

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:36:54pm

re: #27 Belafon

I either forgot or didn’t hear that Harry Reid is dealing with pancreatic cancer: dailykos.com.

I personally know 4 people who were diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in the last couple years. Is it actually becoming more prevalent?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:37:19pm

Hey just saw on Facebook that it’s Captain Kirk’s 88th birthday today…

Damn, I’m getting old…

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:39:01pm

re: #39 Dave In Austin

It’s art…. And this guy does some of the best. Some of the best I’ve seen have come out of Ukraine and Russia.

Oh, very much so. But as I have come to practice HEMA, I find I appreciate practical over artistic and swords are much bigger than that admittedly beautiful knife in the video.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:43:15pm

re: #44 William Lewis

Oh, very much so. But as I have come to practice HEMA, I find I appreciate practical over artistic and swords are much bigger than that admittedly beautiful knife in the video.

Have you watched Alex Steel at all. They are working on a Cavalry saber right now. That’s been a fun ride.

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William Lewis  Mar 22, 2019 • 9:59:10pm

re: #45 Dave In Austin

Have you watched Alex Steel at all. They are working on a Cavalry saber right now. That’s been a fun ride.

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Video

I’ve seen a few episodes. It’s an interesting piece, though unlike any US saber I’ve run into. It’s more similar to a UK saber (Rifles Officer or Light Cavalry Officer) with a Wilkinson style blade. A three bar or stirrup type hilt would have been much simpler to make and more historically correct in the US.

They no longer have it in stock and I got mine used, but this is the best reproduction of an American saber ever produced. kultofathena.com. This was the 1906 production run of the 1860 light cavalry saber and the only significant difference is the hilt was steel since by then steel was cheaper than brass. Lovely blade, handles gloriously. It was the first time I really understood what “lively” could mean.

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ckkatz  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:08:19pm

re: #26 Joe Bacon 🌹

Sorry, the mouse scrolling suddenly stopped. And it was a while before I was able to get it working again…

Ah yes, Litchfield Towers. Iirc, I was on the 6th floor of Tower C in 1975-76.

The ‘Towers’ were three circular 20-some story dormatories, A, B,and C. (Alpha Babbo and Comet?) In the 1960’s and 1970’s, the men lived on the lower floors. And to ‘protect’ them, the ladies were on the upper floors.

Of course, the power to the elevators tended to go out with alarming frequency. Which meant that the ladies, basically, had to plan for a whole day in order to minimize how many times they had to climb the 20-some flights of stairs to their room.

I am trying to remember where Frankie Gustines Restaurant was. (Iirc, he actually had 3 restaurants, 2 on Forbes and another on Fifth.) I think that it became Primanti’s back in the late 1970s or early 1980’s.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:24:23pm

re: #47 ckkatz

Sorry, the mouse scrolling suddenly stopped. And it was a while before I was able to get it working again…

Ah yes, Litchfield Towers. Iirc, I was on the 6th floor of Tower C in 1975-76.

The ‘Towers’ were three circular 20-some story dormatories, A, B,and C. (Alpha Babbo and Comet?) In the 1960’s and 1970’s, the men lived on the lower floors. And to ‘protect’ them, the ladies were on the upper floors.

Of course, the power to the elevators tended to go out with alarming frequency. Which meant that the ladies, basically, had to plan for a whole day in order to minimize how many times they had to climb the 20-some flights of stairs to their room.

I am trying to remember where Frankie Gustines Restaurant was. (Iirc, he actually had 3 restaurants, 2 on Forbes and another on Fifth.) I think that it became Primanti’s back in the late 1970s or early 1980’s.

CK, maybe we ran into each other since I was on the 4th floor of C 1974-77. And they were called Ajax, Bab-0 and Comet!

Frankie Gustine’s was on the Forbes side by the King’s Court and then there was a Winky’s on Forbes as well. Originally the Winky’s had two connected store fronts but it never filled up that much and one of them was sold off and a bar took that space.

Remember that it took forever to buy the textbooks because there were only two checkers at the Pitt Book Store.

I still remember the worst meal I ever had at the Pitt Cafeteria and it was called “Beef A La Dutch” meat chunks smothered in pea soup. Everyone couldn’t eat it…so glad I had a fridge in my room and a GE Toaster Oven that heated up Swanson dinners that I could get at the Giant Eagle or A&P. Lost count of how many Swanson Chicken Dinners I ate…

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:35:58pm

I really hate lazy journobros who think making inherently deceptive status quo bullshit arguments is a substitute for genuine insight.

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ckkatz  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:36:30pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I really want to explore more of Pittsburgh now that I know where my dad’s parents grew up? His dad’s grandfather had a blacksmith shop in Deutschtown. His mom’s grandfather’s father owned a tavern in Ross and there’s even a census designated place named after him there.

DeutscheTown/DutchTown, also known as East Allegheny is now part of the Lower NorthSide. Apparently it was one of the many small communities annexed into Pittsburgh around 1900.

visitpittsburgh.com
en.wikipedia.org

I believe that the Allegheny Brewing, Andy Warhol Museum and Aviary are located right by there. Until I read the wiki article I did not realize that Allegheny Commons Park really was originally a ‘commons’ grazing area. I had just thought that it was a cutsy name.

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austin_blue  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:38:19pm

re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹

CK, maybe we ran into each other since I was on the 4th floor of C 1974-77. And they were called Ajax, Bab-0 and Comet!

Frankie Gustine’s was on the Forbes side by the King’s Court and then there was a Winky’s on Forbes as well. Originally the Winky’s had two connected store fronts but it never filled up that much and one of them was sold off and a bar took that space.

Remember that it took forever to buy the textbooks because there were only two checkers at the Pitt Book Store.

I still remember the worst meal I ever had at the Pitt Cafeteria and it was called “Beef A La Dutch” meat chunks smothered in pea soup. Everyone couldn’t eat it…so glad I had a fridge in my room and a GE Toaster Oven that heated up Swanson dinners that I could get at the Giant Eagle or A&P. Lost count of how many Swanson Chicken Dinners I ate…

Swanson Surf ‘n Turf at Tulane in the mid-70’s:

A beef pot pie and a tuna pot pie. $1.78 at Schweggies. A quart of Dixie was an additional $1.25.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:42:24pm

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austin_blue  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:43:41pm

Night all!

Sweet Scaly dreams.

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sagehen  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:52:12pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

It’s because the GOP are the party of projection, so when they say that the DNC “buys” votes by “giving away” things, they’re really admitting that that’s the way they win elections. Tax cuts, deregulation, “cheap” health insurance, and endless promises of job creation that will come not through government spending but unleashing the “power of the free market.” All they do on the campaign trail is promise an endless cornucopia of goodies with no cost to voters.

The big difference being that the Republicans give things to their donors (that benefit nobody else at all, that in fact cost everybody else), and the Democrats give things to their voters (that also benefit people who didn’t vote for them, and only cost top-bracket taxpayers).

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ckkatz  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:55:20pm

re: #48 Joe Bacon 🌹

CK, maybe we ran into each other since I was on the 4th floor of C 1974-77. And they were called Ajax, Bab-0 and Comet!

Frankie Gustine’s was on the Forbes side by the King’s Court and then there was a Winky’s on Forbes as well. Originally the Winky’s had two connected store fronts but it never filled up that much and one of them was sold off and a bar took that space.

Remember that it took forever to buy the textbooks because there were only two checkers at the Pitt Book Store.

I still remember the worst meal I ever had at the Pitt Cafeteria and it was called “Beef A La Dutch” meat chunks smothered in pea soup. Everyone couldn’t eat it…so glad I had a fridge in my room and a GE Toaster Oven that heated up Swanson dinners that I could get at the Giant Eagle or A&P. Lost count of how many Swanson Chicken Dinners I ate…

I suspect that we did run into each other. I was there 1972-1977. (Under the well known 5-Year college plan. Actually, when faced with the reality of a career looking at micro-tomed slides of pollywogs, I changed from a Biology major to an Economics major.)

Yes, you are correct, Tower A was Ajax. Do you remember a Stan Finegold? I believe that he lived on the 4th floor of Tower C.

I just did a google maps and it looks like Kings Court is now split between a T-Mobile and a Noodles and Company. So many memories of so much wasted time watching so many terrible movies at Kings Court. David Lawrence Hall generally had so many better movies.

Yup, Frankie Gustines appears to be where the Oakland Primanti’s now is.

Strangely, for some reason, I actually liked the Pitt Cafeteria. Heh, I remember one night I was eating dinner down there and looked up at the ceiling. Someone had removed the top waxed papers from the single slice butter patties and then thrown them onto the ceiling butterside up, where they stuck.

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Belafon  Mar 22, 2019 • 10:58:35pm

This diarist’s dad, a Fox news watcher, told the diarist that he likes what he has heard from Mayor Pete and might donate to his campaign: dailykos.com.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 22, 2019 • 11:03:50pm

Another brilliant take from CNN

Moderate voters skeptical of Ocasio-Cortez

The moderate voters? Democrats who voted for Trump!!

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 22, 2019 • 11:47:56pm
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DodgerFan1988  Mar 22, 2019 • 11:52:09pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

I really hate lazy journobros who think making inherently deceptive status quo bullshit arguments is a substitute for genuine insight.

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Targetpractice  Mar 22, 2019 • 11:52:56pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

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See also: The Robocop “reboot” that lost all the satire and played the whole damned thing straight, turning what was a hard-hitting satire and introspection into what it means to be human into a generic action film about a robot cop.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:59:36am

Season 2 of ‘The OA’ on Netflix is intense. If you were a bit lost in season 1, the end of s2e1 brings things into focus.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:17:43am
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Sufficient unto the day...  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:28:27am

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

So what was the stupid thing?

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:49:37am

re: #59 DodgerFan1988

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“A system where this map isn’t enough to elect a Republican” really says it all. That the pro-EC argument is so bankrupt that it resorts to manipulative tactics to fool people into believing that a popular vote system would somehow be “unfair” to the GOP. Same with the constant repetition of “Elections would be decided by California and New York!”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:51:53am

Food for thought:

What a Military Intervention in Venezuela Would Look Like
Getting In Would Be the Easy Part
foreignaffairs.com

Executive summary: Just like Afghanistan, except in Spanish. Probably a bad idea.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:57:56am

I love my weather station. It says, “It’s raining cats and dogs” on the display. (0.67”/hr)

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 3:13:37am

Returning to one of my favorite topics of late - the lotteries and what they mean:

The latest episode (s6e14) of My Lottery Dream Home features as winner… another poker player. The show did this last week too.

The “lottery” winner is a professional poker player, and they tried to make it sound in this episode that the guy winning at poker is him winning the lottery - the guy even said that.

He’s had a few good placings this year, winning $129,810 and $237,808 in two tournaments in Vegas last July. But his big winning was the previous year when he placed 6th in the 48th World Series of Poker, winning $1,675,000. (That’s not doxxing, btw, as the show is right up front with his identity and winning.)

Anyway, my first point is that this not that a lottery winning. All those poker revenues are his employment earnings. He’s a professional gamer and he plays a game that depends far more on skill than it does luck.

Nevertheless, HGTV passes this off as a lottery winning because… I guess they need warm bodies for a show.

Perhaps real lottery winners are becoming more shy about being public, while professional poker players, especially top ones, are already celebrities (at least to certain crowds.)

Or, perhaps the truth is settling in that winning $1M, which is what most lottery winners of large amount win (e.g., the second place prize in PowerBall and MegaMillions), isn’t that much money, after taxes, and the remaining share that a winner is willing to put into real estate doesn’t buy much of a house in many markets.

Especially for a show with “Dream Home” in the title.

Now getting back to the current episode: the winner and his partner decide to spend up to around $400k on a house. This for a young guy whose lifetime poker earnings are over $4.2M.

Sitting here in San Diego county I see that amount pop up on the show and all I could think is wow, that wouldn’t buy a back-yard around here.

Indeed, the winner is stated as coming from San Diego (though he was not born here). Picking to live in Las Vegas makes sense for a professional gambler, but still, I bet the difference in real estate prices has something to do with it.

“Dream Home” has rarely, especially this season, actually have people buy their dream homes. In the current episode the couple are intentionally looking for a place that needs a bit of work.

All of this reinforces my feeling that HGTV and their shows are really shallow facades, (and their Chicago house flipping show really did put up once a very tacky facade on a house as a “design” element), intended to cover up serious problems in the “American dream”, a well known marketing phrase that found root in American politics.

And this show also exposes how the myths around lottery winning are baseless. Almost all lottery winners win amounts that are not so big that they are truly “rich” by contemporary American material wealth metrics.

Only a couple of times, early in the show’s history, did they feature winners of large jackpots.

And besides the shyness of public exposure, the reason for this is that very few people ever win the big jackpots.

Anyway, $400k on a house is nothing here in California, and one would have to spend twice what the current episode winner ended up spending, to get the equivalent property here in San Diego county.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 3:20:16am

Global Poker Index Rankings - I had no idea that was a thing.

But with our obsession with all things gaming, I guess it’s not surprising.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 3:21:40am

One reason why MLDH may being doing shows out of Vegas could also be down to the housing crash there, and glut of housing stock on the market, a glut that has lasted since the crash.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 4:47:56am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:02:47am

Sitting in Pittsburgh where local news is reporting yet another policeman aquitted after shooting a young fleeing black kid in the back 3 times. Protests expected today. Very sad, and depressing on top of Trump people trying to drive a victory lap

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Whack-A-Mole  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:07:36am

re: #22 Dave In Austin

Friday Nite Forge!
Dragon’s Breath Damascus Steel

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Wow, that is a fantastic piece. The pattern is just beautiful.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:14:34am

re: #65 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Food for thought:

What a Military Intervention in Venezuela Would Look Like
Getting In Would Be the Easy Part
foreignaffairs.com

Executive summary: Just like Afghanistan, except in Spanish. Probably a bad idea.

It would really hurt our standing in South America if we invaded. That region already is rightfully skeptical towards us. And then Trump would make it worse by not allowing refugees from Venezuela into the country.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:18:13am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

It would really hurt our standing in South America if we invaded. That region already is rightfully skeptical towards us. And then Trump would make it worse by not allowing refugees from Venezuela into the country.

Trump’s lackeys would screw everything up. The military can only do so much. It would be a colossal drain on the nation’s finances for no perceptible advantage, strategically, economically or politically. Not that the USA hasn’t done boneheaded invasions before.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:22:25am

re: #29 Hecuba’s daughter

If you really think about it: Trump’s refusal to ever apologize or admit error is just a standard conservative behavior. On every issue across the board, they never reconsider their positions; they promote the same deceit and misconceptions on economics and health care year in and year out. The news media never calls them out on this.

and while they are constantly flipflopping to polar opposite positions they
- still claim they arent
- lie and say they never held the earlier position (even when there’s video)

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:22:47am

re: #74 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump’s lackeys would screw everything up. The military can only do so much. It would be a colossal drain on the nation’s finances for no perceptible advantage, strategically, economically or politically. Not that the USA hasn’t done boneheaded invasions before.

Exactly. What amuses me is how Trump redbaits on Venezuela but likes DRPK but I think that’s because Kim charmed him. Little Rocket Man feels like ages ago.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:25:28am

re: #75 Man, DangerMan

and while they are constantly flipflopping to polar opposite positions they
- still claim they arent
- lie and say they never held the earlier position (even when there’s video)

My favorite was Romney having Obama point out to him that ACA was pretty much what Mitt passed in Massachusetts and Mitt said “Well it wasn’t intended for the whole country.” Mitt wanted and still wants to be seen as a huge right winger and win the right wingers hearts but he never did.

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steve_davis  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:48:30am

re: #13 mmmirele

And in “sports not reported in America,” Friday was the 13th day of the Haru sumo basho in Osaka. Sumo is the national sport of Japan and the top prize is known as the “Emperor’s Cup.” In the Tokyo arena, there is a box for the emperor should he decide to come to matches. The current emperor has been known to stay away from matches if there’s scandal in sumo. (And yes, there has been scandal.)

So far, the yokozuna (highest ranking of sumo wrestlers) Hakuho is undefeated after 13 matches. Hakuho is 34 years old and probably getting close to thinking about retirement, but the way he just comes back from what looks like certain defeat is simply magical. He really is the Greatest of All Time as far as sumo goes.

Also, the sekiwake Takakeisho won his ninth match today. All he has to do is win one more match in convincing style (out of the two days left) and he should be promoted to ozeki, which is the second rank in the top tier of sumo. Today, he just pushed his opponent Takayasu out of the ring. It wasn’t great sumo, but it was “I am completely out of f*cks to give” sumo.

There are a number of people who post all the top ranked matches on YouTube. Those are just the bouts, not the ceremonial foot stomping, salt throwing, banner advertising (!) and suchlike. This guy Chris Gould picks only the top matches and shows some of the ceremony around the actual matches. Here’s today’s offering:

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I would love to go to a day of sumo in Japan. But this year, probably the closest I’m going to get is being able to watch some sumo on TV in the evenings when I’m in Japan during the May basho.

okay, i just spent five minutes watching two guys go down in a three point stance and then get up to put more chalk on their hands. this is like baseball, if baseball was even less interesting.

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jeffreyw  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:49:51am

Good morning!

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 5:55:48am

One of the better pieces of single family properties in the county just had its asking price slashed by $1M. It’s a real “dream home”, not a tract cracker box that gets passed off as McMansions. And My Lottery Dream Home only once, in its first season, had a winner who was given a tour of anything of this value.

There is a sales video of the marked-down property:

18163 Via de Fortuna, Rancho Santa Fe, CA 92067 | Listed by: Linda Sansone

Thing is, and this gets to the heart of economic inequality in America, as near as I can tell the owner only pays $11k/yr property tax.

Yes, that’s right, just a few thousand dollars property tax on a property whose asking price started out (overpriced apparently) at $14.5M, now down to a paltry $10.2M .

Now the real estate listing hides the owner’s name (usually found through the property parcel number, but in this case the parcel number is left out of the listing and the usual Zillow link to the 3rd part property search company is not listed also), but I found it. The owner (estate, human is recently deceased) was probably a fine woman (according to the obituary), did charity work, etc.

But we ought not overlook that a few good works can’t make up for the loss of tax revenue to the county.

And the real problem is that for every philanthropist who can make use of tax laws to keep from paying taxes there are probably a room full of scum (e.g. Trump) who also use those taxes and couldn’t care a whit if the whole world burned.

So the goodness of any single person ought not be an excuse for our skewed tax laws that are hurting society as a whole.

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MsJ  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:00:56am

Thread.

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MsJ  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:04:45am

re: #80 freetoken

I thought California kept taxes at a certain rate based on sales price (the “value”) to keep taxes down on older people. When a property sells, the new owner then pays taxes on the new value.

I thought this was done so older people didn’t have to sell their house sure to high taxes.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:19:29am

re: #82 MsJ

Prop 13 sets the basic rate at 1%.

But in the property I discussed, the effective property tax rate is .1% !

The owner bought the property in 1972. It may have been intentionally underpriced even at that time. Because of Prop 13 the taxes simply could not rise as they ought to, “ought” because county services in San Diego have gone up in price like everything else since 1972.

I thought this was done so older people didn’t have to sell their house sure to high taxes.

That was the sales pitch. But as usual, the underlying social mechanism had to do with the changing California society and angst riddled old white folk.

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MsJ  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:26:36am

re: #83 freetoken

That was the sales pitch. But as usual, the underlying social mechanism had to do with the changing California society and angst riddled old white folk.

Explain please.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:29:36am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

My run at Pitt was ‘81-86.

Movies at David Lawrence.

The remaining wall at Forbes Field - I worked in the library of one of the buildings built in that area. And I went and stepped on home plate whenever I went through the building built upon that spot.

“O” Fries were a staple, as was cheap pizza. And I also lived in Tower C for two years. A pie slice room to call my own.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:30:38am

re: #55 ckkatz

I suspect that we did run into each other. I was there 1972-1977. (Under the well known 5-Year college plan. Actually, when faced with the reality of a career looking at micro-tomed slides of pollywogs, I changed from a Biology major to an Economics major.)

Yes, you are correct, Tower A was Ajax. Do you remember a Stan Finegold? I believe that he lived on the 4th floor of Tower C.

I just did a google maps and it looks like Kings Court is now split between a T-Mobile and a Noodles and Company. So many memories of so much wasted time watching so many terrible movies at Kings Court. David Lawrence Hall generally had so many better movies.

Yup, Frankie Gustines appears to be where the Oakland Primanti’s now is.

Strangely, for some reason, I actually liked the Pitt Cafeteria. Heh, I remember one night I was eating dinner down there and looked up at the ceiling. Someone had removed the top waxed papers from the single slice butter patties and then thrown them onto the ceiling butterside up, where they stuck.

I was an Econ and History major. Still remember those disciples of Milton Friedman like Slessinger. I remember Mark Perlman fondly since he introduced me to Joseph Schumpeter.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:34:01am

re: #83 freetoken

Prop 13 sets the basic rate at 1%.

But in the property I discussed, the effective property tax rate is .1% !

The owner bought the property in 1972. It may have been intentionally underpriced even at that time. Because of Prop 13 the taxes simply could not rise as they ought to, “ought” because county services in San Diego have gone up in price like everything else since 1972.

That was the sales pitch. But as usual, the underlying social mechanism had to do with the changing California society and angst riddled old white folk.

What the Jarvis/Gann folks never made public was that the big winners of Prop 13 were the Bank of America and Pacific Bell who got a nice big tax cut on their properties that they still have today.

Oh, Jarvis promised that rents would go down by 1/3 if 13 passed. They didn’t which triggered the passing of rent control/stabilization in Los Angeles, Santa Monica, West Hollywood, Beverly Hills and Berkeley.

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MsJ  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:41:52am
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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:41:59am

re: #84 MsJ

Explain please.

California had been Republican, business type. Not Jesus-speak-in-tongues type, but the old fashioned midwestern transplantees.

As Los Angeles, the entire basin, became more and more Latino and black, and as San Francisco and the rest of the Bay area turned quite liberal (in the sense of anti-Vietnam war liberal), the suburban white retirees became the haven for the Republican party.

As California became more interested in social engineering, in the sense of spending taxes, the GOP was the anti-tax party.

The idea that rising property taxes would kick old folk out of their homes ignored the primary reason old folk run into financial trouble - a combination of inflation and medical care.

If the Prop13 backers really cared about old folk in the suburbs, the way to have addressed their financial concerns would have been to install some sort of tax refund for retirees who pay more than a certain percentage of their (retirement) income in property taxes.

The Prop13 backers included those who sold the idea that California was turning socialist, that taxes were being raised on the old folk in their homes to pay for those ******* in LA and the bay area.

When in reality the reason property taxes had to rise was because of the population boom and because of inflation.

Fixing property taxes at 1% in California is meaningless is the fight against inflation because the dollar decreases in value due to the entire US economy (in light of global trade too.)

In the end, all limiting property taxes has done is force the state and county to raise taxes other ways, such as on income and through use fees.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:44:55am

re: #74 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump’s lackeys would screw everything up. The military can only do so much. It would be a colossal drain on the nation’s finances for no perceptible advantage, strategically, economically or politically. Not that the USA hasn’t done boneheaded invasions before.

Iraq-invasion 2 Electric Bugaloo.

I’m sure the promises are already being written up that we’d be welcomed as saviors, oil revenues would pay for everything, and that it would cost the USA nothing while getting use massive goodwill from everyone in the world!
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ckkatz  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:46:41am

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

My run at Pitt was ‘81-86.

Movies at David Lawrence.

The remaining wall at Forbes Field - I worked in the library of one of the buildings built in that area. And I went and stepped on home plate whenever I went through the building built upon that spot.

“O” Fries were a staple, as was cheap pizza. And I also lived in Tower C for two years. A pie slice room to call my own.

Posvar Hall aka Forbes Quadrangle? GSPIA Library?

Yes, the towers’ dorm rooms were indeed pie slices.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 6:55:02am

re: #91 ckkatz

Posvar Hall aka Forbes Quadrangle? GSPIA Library?

Yes, the towers’ dorm rooms were indeed pie slices.

Forbes Quadrangle* has home plate. I worked in the Business School Library after it moved into the “new” Mervis Hall over by the remaining piece of wall.

* - I care nothing about anything carrying the name “Posvar”. The way he and his cronies ran the university while I was there is one reason I don’t give them money. Combined with the two-faced way they dealt, and still deal, with their fraternity system.

I think a decent chunk of buildings I had classes in are gone since the hill above the Chemistry Building got worked over with the removal of Pitt Stadium and its replacement with the Convocation Center.

I did enjoy going to watch basketball games at the Field House. Not a big crowd, but could be properly raucous.

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ckkatz  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:04:57am

re: #86 Joe Bacon 🌹

I was an Econ and History major. Still remember those disciples of Milton Friedman like Slessinger. I remember Mark Perlman fondly since he introduced me to Joseph Schumpeter.

Hmm, having a hard time remembering all of the professors I took. Almost 50 years ago.

Rubin Slessinger of course. He had a PhD student who was a retired Chicago Police Captain.

David Gould - He was returning from a series of meetings strategizing on how to end the famines in East Africa when he died in the Lockerbie Pan Am plane crash. His death destroyed his family. A very sad time.

Joseph Eaton, who was born in Germany, fled to the United States, served in the American Army during World War 2 and then became a professor.

Robert Colodny - served in the Abraham Lincoln Brigade during the Spanish Civil War. In the 1960’s he was attacked by a Pa State legislator as a dangerous commie. The legislator lost that battle.

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ckkatz  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:18:05am

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

Forbes Quadrangle* has home plate. I worked in the Business School Library after it moved into the “new” Mervis Hall over by the remaining piece of wall.

* - I care nothing about anything carrying the name “Posvar”. The way he and his cronies ran the university while I was there is one reason I don’t give them money. Combined with the two-faced way they dealt, and still deal, with their fraternity system.

I think a decent chunk of buildings I had classes in are gone since the hill above the Chemistry Building got worked over with the removal of Pitt Stadium and its replacement with the Convocation Center.

I did enjoy going to watch basketball games at the Field House. Not a big crowd, but could be properly raucous.

Good Ol’Chancellor Wesley Posvar. He had huge bushy eyebrows. When half-time began during Pitt football games he would head down to the field. And all the students would start chanting “Wesley’s eyebrows”.

Football games were when we got raucous. Some of the folks in my group would go down to the computer rooms and collect the ‘punchies’ (chads). And then make sure to throw a cloud of them as soon as someone opened their coke or coffee to take a drink.

In the winter, when I was in ROTC, we would do morning runs on the Field House track.

Except when the basketball team was practicing. Then it was off limits.

However, it was open while the baseball team was practicing. I almost got beaned a couple of times during their practices.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:20:40am

No crazy Trump tweets this morning…should we be worried?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:22:14am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

No crazy Trump tweets this morning…should we be worried?

I wouldn’t make much of it. I think if he were in the clear, he would be bragging. But I dunno.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:28:54am

re: #96 HappyWarrior

I wouldn’t make much of it. I think if he were in the clear, he would be bragging. But I dunno.

Someone should do a pattern analysis of his tweets to see if weekends are generally calmer than the weekdays. His Fox shows aren’t on Saturdays and Sundays, so does he have an incentive to get up.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:30:42am

re: #97 Belafon

Someone should do a pattern analysis of his tweets to see if weekends are generally calmer than the weekdays. His Fox shows aren’t on Saturdays and Sundays, so does he have an incentive to get up.

You’re right. He could still be asleep.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:31:43am

EPIC has filed a suit to get access to Mueller’s report based on FOIA.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:34:01am

re: #99 Eric The Fruit Bat

EPIC has filed a suit to get access to Mueller’s report based on FOIA.

Nice. I’m looking forward to reading every page of that thing (Muellers report, not the FOIA request)

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ckkatz  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:37:43am

Interesting historical tidbit…

John Mitchell was Nixon’s Attorney General. His wife was Martha Mitchell. She detested Nixon, knew a lot of reporters, and was quite happy to pass on leaks to them.

John Mitchell eventually shipped her back to California and had her watched by two security guards. The guards had orders to keep her isolated and not to let her near a phone.

When she heard about the Watergate arrests, she figured out what was going on and telephoned NYTimes reporter Helen Thomas. As the Martha Mitchell was talking to Thomas, Thomas heard Mitchell say something to the effect of “You just get away”. Then the phone went dead.

It turned out that one of the guards had ripped the phone out of the wall. Mitchell was then forcibly sedated for days.

The guard who ripped the phone from the wall was named Stephen King. He is currently Trump’s ambassador to The Czech Republic.

washingtonpost.com

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:41:35am

re: #101 ckkatz

Interesting historical tidbit…

John Mitchell was Nixon’s Attorney General. His wife was Martha Mitchell. She detested Nixon, knew a lot of reporters, and was quite happy to pass on leaks to them.

John Mitchell eventually shipped her back to California and had her watched by two security guards. The guards had orders to keep her isolated and not to let her near a phone.

When she heard about the Watergate arrests, she figured out what was going on and telephoned NYTimes reporter Helen Thomas. As the Martha Mitchell was talking to Thomas, Thomas heard Mitchell say something to the effect of “You just get away”. Then the phone went dead.

It turned out that one of the guards had ripped the phone out of the wall. Mitchell was then forcibly sedated for days.

The guard who ripped the phone from the wall was named Stephen King. He is currently Trump’s ambassador to The Czech Republic.

washingtonpost.com

Trump isn’t draining the swamp. He’s returned old swamp monsters and added new ones.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:45:20am

re: #59 DodgerFan1988

This is stupid to the point of being vulgar. I am up for real debate about this issue and virtually any other, but I have had my fill of the intellectually dishonest. If you want to act like acres of land vote and not people, then you probably shouldn’t be taken very seriously.

What the map would look like if the area displayed was proportional to population and not just acreage:

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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2019 • 7:58:09am

I broke my 24 hour sabbatical from news because I’m weak, but…ugh.

Seems like despite the smart decision by Dems to get out in front of this and try not to cede the narrative, the GOP won out on it anyways and all I could see from it anywhere was how this was proof of Trump’s innocence, and how basically it was the worst thing in the history ever for Dems. And not just from Republicans but from anyone but the most stalwart Dems. Not even older folk, these people were young.

There doesn’t seem to be anything we can do to ever seize the day because the God of the Narrative forever treats the GOP voice as the only one that counts it seems.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:04:47am
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Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:04:53am

re: #85 Feline Fearless Leader

My run at Pitt was ‘81-86.

Movies at David Lawrence.

The remaining wall at Forbes Field - I worked in the library of one of the buildings built in that area. And I went and stepped on home plate whenever I went through the building built upon that spot.

“O” Fries were a staple, as was cheap pizza. And I also lived in Tower C for two years. A pie slice room to call my own.

Was Uncle Sams there off Forbes on Oakland Ave at that time? I worked for UPMC in Forbes tower (only a couple days a week when I had to go down to Pittsburgh, most days I worked from home). Uncle Sams was the next block down, they had real good hoagies.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:05:10am
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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:05:58am

re: #107 Belafon

Not “All ten” But “The most pressing ten.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:09:50am

re: #104 Citizen K

I broke my 24 hour sabbatical from news because I’m weak, but…ugh.

Seems like despite the smart decision by Dems to get out in front of this and try not to cede the narrative, the GOP won out on it anyways and all I could see from it anywhere was how this was proof of Trump’s innocence, and how basically it was the worst thing in the history ever for Dems. And not just from Republicans but from anyone but the most stalwart Dems. Not even older folk, these people were young.

There doesn’t seem to be anything we can do to ever seize the day because the God of the Narrative forever treats the GOP voice as the only one that counts it seems.

And Tulsi lover Jimmy Dore joins the Republicans is proclaiming that the Russian investigation is a big nothingburger.

Berniebots and Jill Shills posting the same Republican propaganda.

Well, it’s confirmed. We’re witnessing the fall and collapse of the US.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:09:54am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:15:04am

re: #108 Belafon

Not “All ten” But “The most pressing ten.”

Exactly. JFC.

Imagine the RWNJ mouth frothing if ten of Obamas people had been under active criminal investigation.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:15:24am

Brennan is trending too… apparently MAGAdolts en masse have received marching orders to call for his execution or something to that end.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:16:06am

re: #92 Feline Fearless Leader

Forbes Quadrangle* has home plate. I worked in the Business School Library after it moved into the “new” Mervis Hall over by the remaining piece of wall.

* - I care nothing about anything carrying the name “Posvar”. The way he and his cronies ran the university while I was there is one reason I don’t give them money. Combined with the two-faced way they dealt, and still deal, with their fraternity system.

I think a decent chunk of buildings I had classes in are gone since the hill above the Chemistry Building got worked over with the removal of Pitt Stadium and its replacement with the Convocation Center.

I did enjoy going to watch basketball games at the Field House. Not a big crowd, but could be properly raucous.

Yes I remember Sleazy Posvar and all those kids who got into Pitt because their parents got their State Senators to grant scholarships to them. Which is why I don’t give them a single penny either.

Remember when graduates voted for University Trustees. Then they took that vote away unless you gave $$$.

When I started Pitt in the fall of 73 tuition and board were both $480 a trimester. Now Tuition is $18,130 and board is $11,582 a year.

When I got out of Pitt I owed $8,250 in student loans.

No way could I go and wind up over $100K in debt…

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:34:36am

You can see the last couple millimeters by clicking the pic icon on the rt. of the blue bar at the bottom. Or maybe you could already see the whole thing, I dunno.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:35:58am

Entertainment news: I just saw the live-action version of Alita Battle Angel. I made sure I watched the anime version and read the manga first. I’m glad I did. The live-action version is OK, but I was thinking all through it, “Just because we have CGI and can put live human faces on mecha bodies does not mean we have to put live human faces on mecha bodies.”

Plus, the oversized eyes on Alita were just weird. They removed the expressiveness from her face. Big eyes are fine for anime — that’s the artistic style — but not for a living actor.

That said, it wasn’t a bad movie, but the anime version moved a lot faster.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:38:18am

A reminder that leading Brexiteer is part of the misbegotten clan that runs across borders:

Nigel Farage mocked at ‘Brexit Betrayal’ march with footage of him campaigning for disgraced Republican Roy Moore

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:42:43am

I see the Manwhorian KKKandidate’s MAGAT stooges are staging celebration rallies at various Trump properties…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:45:27am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:45:53am

re: #108 Belafon

Not “All ten” But “The most pressing ten.”

The Trump scandal, to that I reply which one?

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DaZoid  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:46:24am

re: #97 Belafon

I have a “for fun” stats project going around his tweets, and decided to come out of my lurker status to respond.

There doesn’t appear to be any clear and meaningful trend between day of the week and number of tweets. Not without adding a bunch of restrictions on the data set at least (I checked everything since inauguration, and then everything since 1/1/18 ).

So, silence today might mean something interesting, or just an amazing coincidence.

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:48:17am

re: #120 DaZoid

Welcome, hatchling.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:49:24am

I’m beginning to believe more and more that it’s it not going to be one person or entity that takes down Trump.

It’s only going to happen with a team effort where everyone involved is prepared to go all in.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:49:38am

re: #120 DaZoid

I have a “for fun” stats project going around his tweets, and decided to come out of my lurker status to respond.

There doesn’t appear to be any clear and meaningful trend between day of the week and number of tweets. Not without adding a bunch of restrictions on the data set at least (I checked everything since inauguration, and then everything since 1/1/18 ).

So, silence today might mean something interesting, or just an amazing coincidence.

If you analyzed the frequency of tweets against episodes of Fox & Friends, you’d probably find the correlation factor >= 0.95. Against news reports critical to Trump, probably 0.75 < r < 0.90.

Welcome, by the way. Did you bring donuts?

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:50:38am

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

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We have to accept that it can happen here, but that it will only happen here if we give into it happening here.

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DaZoid  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:50:42am

re: #121 wrenchwench

I’ve actually been here before - years ago… I’ve grown a lot since then :-)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:50:56am

re: #120 DaZoid

Welcome!! We do expect pizza for us all!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:51:20am

re: #118 Joe Bacon 🌹

I’m re-upping old tweets not in an “I told you so” way, but because I’m tired of repeating myself, and I also need you to see that autocracy is predictable. Don’t look for saviors: think for yourselves. Independent thought + ability to speak freely is nothing to take for granted.

I have such a crush on Sarah K…I still fantasize about sitting up with her afterwards, smoking cigarettes and talking authoritarian politics

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:52:09am

re: #126 Hecuba’s daughter

Welcome!! We do expect pizza for us all!

Pineapple and ham pizza

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:52:26am

re: #125 DaZoid

I’ve actually been here before - years ago… I’ve grown a lot since then :-)

The you know about the Beer Rule.

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:52:52am

re: #125 DaZoid

I’ve actually been here before - years ago… I’ve grown a lot since then :-)

You aren’t hatched until you comment. Or did you appear under a previous nic?

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:53:19am

re: #120 DaZoid

Howdy, hatchling! Now that you’ve broken through that thick shell, why not come out and play more often? (Bringing doughnuts would be nice, but is not required.)

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:53:51am

re: #106 Eventual Carrion

Was Uncle Sams there off Forbes on Oakland Ave at that time? I worked for UPMC in Forbes tower (only a couple days a week when I had to go down to Pittsburgh, most days I worked from home). Uncle Sams was the next block down, they had real good hoagies.

I think Uncle Sam’s opened while I was there, or a year or two afterwards. The Primanti’s in Oakland appeared as well next to King’s Court about that time as well IIRC. The “O” enlarged it’s footprint three times in 5 years too.

There was a little White Castle on the corner of Bouquet and Forbes when I was a freshman, but it was gone by ‘84. Place was about 20’ x 20’ — but sliders!

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:55:34am

re: #128 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

::: pulling out the catapult :::

::: putting in a load of pineapple :::

::: cutting rope and sending it :::

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:56:25am

re: #133 PhillyPretzel

::: pulling out the catapult :::

::: putting in a load of pineapple :::

::: cutting rope and sending it :::

received, waiting on the load of ham…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:57:30am

re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Uncle Sam’s opened while I was there, or a year or two afterwards. The Primanti’s in Oakland appeared as well next to King’s Court about that time as well IIRC. The “O” enlarged it’s footprint three times in 5 years too.

There was a little White Castle on the corner of Bouquet and Forbes when I was a freshman, but it was gone by ‘84. Place was about 20’ x 20’ — but sliders!

I remember it as White Tower and they made those burgers with 5 holes punched in them filled up with diced onions. White Tower was the big burger chain in Pittsburgh before McDonald’s came on the scene.

Now I remember George Aiken’s a chain with great rotisserie chicken. Isaly’s shops with the skyscraper cones and chip chopped ham. There was a Black Angus steakhouse too where I went to get a strip steak the last day I was at Pitt. And Poli’s in Squirrel Hill had wonderful seafood!

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:57:48am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sorry I do not have ham.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 8:59:17am

re: #134 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

received, waiting on the load of ham…

Must be Isaly’s Chip Chopped Ham…from Goldbelly!

goldbelly.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:00:38am

re: #136 PhillyPretzel

Sorry I do not have ham.

Germans are fond of putting salami on pizza (not in combination with ham, though)

And although “Pepperoniwurst” has become a thing now, when I first got here (in the 80’s) a “Pepperoni” pizza meant one with pickled peppers on it. Not bad, but not at all what I was expecting.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:03:17am

re: #135 Joe Bacon 🌹

One of the better pizza places was over in Squirrel Hill. They didn’t deliver and were known for putting all the cheese over the toppings - so everything sort of looked just like a plain cheese pizza.

There was also Vincent’s over in North Versailles* as a place for pizza that there seemed to be a love/hate relationship with. High quality cheese that basically broke down into oil in the oven. Crust was black on the bottom. And you never ever ever ate the stuff cold.

* - A way to detect Pittsburghers is how the name of this town is pronounced. French speakers are advised not to look.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:06:14am

re: #138 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Way way back when I used to eat a lot of pizza (in college), sometimes I would get salami instead of pepperoni.

Now, one cured meat is like another. They all taste like chicken salt. It was just a change for change sake.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:14:42am

re: #137 Joe Bacon 🌹

Must be Isaly’s Chip Chopped Ham…from Goldbelly!

goldbelly.com

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In the 60’s we still had an Isalys in my hometown here in NW PA, great place. Ham sandwiches and ice cream, what more could you want. Sadly was gone early in the 70’s. Was always the stop when we went with mom into town for Saturday shopping trip.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:16:52am

re: #140 freetoken

Way way back when I used to eat a lot of pizza (in college), sometimes I would get salami instead of pepperoni.

Now, one cured meat is like another. They all taste like chicken salt. It was just a change for change sake.

I developed a taste for pizza with Italian salsiccia, but you only get that at a proper Italian pizzeria.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:18:11am

With pizza, I like one protein, a veggie, & a wild card like extra or a different kind of cheese. So my favorite is spinach, pepperoni, & feta cheese.

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DaZoid  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:19:56am

re: #130 wrenchwench

I had a prior nic in the early days (wasn’t a big poster, but I did a few times).

Here’s some sourdough pizza for all.

Sourdough pizza
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:20:02am

The group of us in the dorm favored bacon, green peppers, and (sometimes) mushrooms as the combination.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:20:11am

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Mushrooms and onions is my favorite set of toppings.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:20:13am

ROTFLMAO

Utah Outcasts warn us that Jim Bakker is now hawking freeze dried coffee!

Jim Bakker Now Sells COFFEE BUCKETS!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:20:55am

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

Mushrooms and onions is my favorite set of toppings.

Yeah I like mushrooms and onions too. I like spicy sausage with onions.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:21:03am

re: #142 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I developed a taste for pizza with Italian salsiccia, but you only get that at a proper Italian pizzeria.

I don’t eat pizza anymore, but when I did, if I saw that the vendor had “Italian sausage” on the menu then I would get that. Generally what was called “Italian sausage” was just a sweeter and more aromatic sausage than the American style sausage, which tended to be just meat with lots of black pepper.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:21:15am

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

ROTFLMAO

Utah Outcasts warn us that Jim Bakker is now hawking freeze dried coffee!

[Embedded content]

Does Tammy Fae cry on it to get it reconstituted?

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:21:57am

re: #144 DaZoid

I had a prior nic in the early days (wasn’t a big poster, but I did a few times).

Here’s some sourdough pizza for all.

[Embedded content]

Oh my, that’s beautiful.

Time for second breakfast.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:22:11am

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

… * - A way to detect Pittsburghers is how the name of this town is pronounced. French speakers are advised not to look.

There is a Marseilles and a Versailles in Illinois. I see you, and raise you.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:22:50am

re: #149 freetoken

I don’t eat pizza anymore, but when I did, if I saw that the vendor had “Italian sausage” on the menu then I would get that. Generally what was called “Italian sausage” was just a sweeter and more aromatic sausage than the American style sausage, which tended to be just meat with lots of black pepper.

“Italian” sausage varied by where you got it. Western PA has both hot and sweet varieties and the main ingredient I recall from it is the fennel seeds.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:23:51am

re: #152 retired cynic

There is a Marseilles and a Versailles in Illinois. I see you, and raise you.

Heh. Duquesne, Bouquet, and DuBois just to get things started.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:24:43am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:24:47am

re: #152 retired cynic

There is a Marseilles and a Versailles in Illinois. I see you, and raise you.

Well yunz warsh up and then redd up your room.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:24:58am

re: #154 Feline Fearless Leader

Heh. Duquesne, Bouquet, and DuBois just to get things started.

Yep! We can’t even pronounce Berlin, or Detroit!

Actually, I think it is deliberate, just to put our stamp on things.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:25:16am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

“Italian” sausage varied by where you got it. Western PA has both hot and sweet varieties and the main ingredient I recall from it is the fennel seeds.

Only spinach and mushrooms for me (will occasionally accept tomatoes and olives, if necessary).

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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:26:37am

In other news…

The right-wing keeps winning and fucking winning far as destroying any sense of propriety, and we can’t do a fucking shit about it because the SCOTUS is a bomb waiting to happen every fucking time.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:26:43am

re: #155 DodgerFan1988

And it’s clear now that this is the reason the American religious right likes Jordan P., even though his own beliefs are hardly Christian.

Peterson has gotten praise from the likes of Albert Mohler, of course.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:26:44am

re: #156 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well yunz warsh up and then redd up your room.

My grandmother said warsh, and I have to be very careful, or things like that slip out, even 60 years later!

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:28:02am

re: #158 Hecuba’s daughter

Only spinach and mushrooms for me (will occasionally accept tomatoes and olives, if necessary).

Mushrooms and banana peppers for me.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:28:45am

re: #153 Feline Fearless Leader

“Italian” sausage varied by where you got it. Western PA has both hot and sweet varieties and the main ingredient I recall from it is the fennel seeds.

The “Italian sausage” I would get always seemed to be heavy with fennel.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:29:58am

re: #160 freetoken

And it’s clear now that this is the reason the American religious right likes Jordan P., even though his own beliefs are hardly Christian.

Peterson has gotten praise from the likes of Albert Mohler, of course.

Isn’t Peterson once of the people who eventually tries to claim that the Fascists were socialists and thus the Nazis were left-wing? Amidst all his other pop-psych BS that makes the right-wing love him for being “edgy”?

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wrenchwench  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:30:03am

re: #162 Eventual Carrion

Mushrooms and banana peppers for me.

BANANAS ON PIZZA!?!?!

oh, banana peppers. Never mind

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:31:33am

re: #165 wrenchwench

I almost did that too.

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freetoken  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:31:57am

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Peterson markets his gimmick to the toxic males. Peterson makes it all sound sciency.

As he does with his racism, etc.

It’s the same noxious brew of the know-nothing right that has simmered in America the past century.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:32:06am

And don’t forget to wrap a gumband around your stack of bills!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:32:26am

re: #161 retired cynic

My grandmother said warsh, and I have to be very careful, or things like that slip out, even 60 years later!

It wasn’t until I was at college and had the “How to Speak Pittsburghese” booklet that I realized that my father said “slippy”. (Explanation: slippy = slippery)

He was from the Johnstown area originally. And we’d moved to near Pittsburgh from northeastern New York state right after I graduated high school. So Pitt was my real first exposure to that whole set of regional slang/dialect.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:33:31am

Dad loved his dippy eggs for breakfast!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:35:02am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:37:53am

re: #171 Joe Bacon 🌹

Hmm, interesting page but do not totally agree.

For instance I think Kennywood trumps Hershey Park once you get far enough west in the state.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:40:57am

re: #171 Joe Bacon 🌹

Thanks. I needed a reminder of Sheetz vs WaWa. My late cousin always ribbed me and my sister about Sheetz vs WaWa. My sister before she became a mom worked for WaWa.

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ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:46:41am

re: #165 wrenchwench

BANANAS ON PIZZA!?!?!

oh, banana peppers. Never mind

Mmmm. Tiny pepperoni, hot Italian sausage and a ton of banana peppers. Mmmm.

Maybe onions and ‘shrooms (if fresh).

That is a pizza.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:46:47am

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

It wasn’t until I was at college and had the “How to Speak Pittsburghese” booklet that I realized that my father said “slippy”. (Explanation: slippy = slippery)

He was from the Johnstown area originally. And we’d moved to near Pittsburgh from northeastern New York state right after I graduated high school. So Pitt was my real first exposure to that whole set of regional slang/dialect.

Moms parents were from Johnstown and Dads from Pittsburgh. You couldn’t hear Western Pa in my grandmothers especially my dad’s mother but my mom’s Dad was you’ins to the end. Don’t know about my dads dad as I didn’t know him but as he left young and lived all around, I doubt it.

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Jay C  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:48:51am

Not quite beer, but good enough for a welcome and an upding…!

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:51:57am

re: #175 HappyWarrior

In Philly we have a street named Olney. Practically every person who comes to the city for the first time mispronounces it. In Philly we natives say “al knee.”

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:58:29am

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

It wasn’t until I was at college and had the “How to Speak Pittsburghese” booklet that I realized that my father said “slippy”. (Explanation: slippy = slippery)

He was from the Johnstown area originally. And we’d moved to near Pittsburgh from northeastern New York state right after I graduated high school. So Pitt was my real first exposure to that whole set of regional slang/dialect.

I grew up in Bucks County, but a lot of my family grew up in the Centralia area so I got the yinz and other weirdness.

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Citizen K  Mar 23, 2019 • 9:58:37am

Sigh…yeah, the victory laps have all started. Because why not, the ‘narrative’ has validated them and proven that God King Trump is the most innocent, most persecuted, sacred creature ever. Forget that no real details have been released , the narrative is king, and all that’s left to prove is how much God and America hates you for being a Dem and a liberal.

Fuck it. I need to go back into hibernation.

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A Cranky One  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:00:48am

re: #169 Feline Fearless Leader

It wasn’t until I was at college and had the “How to Speak Pittsburghese” booklet that I realized that my father said “slippy”. (Explanation: slippy = slippery)

He was from the Johnstown area originally. And we’d moved to near Pittsburgh from northeastern New York state right after I graduated high school. So Pitt was my real first exposure to that whole set of regional slang/dialect.

One of my daughters, when young, used to say things were slickery (slippery plus slick). Still hear myself saying it years later.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:03:33am

Afternoon Lizardim.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:04:17am

re: #177 PhillyPretzel

In Philly we have a street named Olney. Practically every person who comes to the city for the first time mispronounces it. In Philly we natives say “al knee.”

Town of Olney in Illinois, too! ALLnee.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:05:03am

re: #178 makeitstop

I grew up in Bucks County, but a lot of my family grew up in the Centralia area so I got the yinz and other weirdness.

And Centralia!

Many Pennsylvania and Virginia folks must have come to Illinois….

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:07:46am

re: #183 retired cynic

And Centralia!

Many Pennsylvania and Virginia folks must have come to Illinois….

Lincoln’s father was born in Virginia and his grandfather in Pennsylvania.

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TedStriker  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:08:27am

re: #150 Feline Fearless Leader

Does Tammy Faye cry on it to get it reconstituted?

Kind of hard, since she’s been dead for more than a decade, but I get your gist.

Zombie Tammy Faye…that sounds like a band name.

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ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:12:01am

re: #177 PhillyPretzel

In Philly we have a street named Olney. Practically every person who comes to the city for the first time mispronounces it. In Philly we natives say “al knee.”

re: #178 makeitstop

I grew up in Bucks County, but a lot of my family grew up in the Centralia area so I got the yinz and other weirdness.

I went to Philly in ‘76 for the big bicentennial celebration. We had some college friends from Philly and Jersey we hung out with.

It took a little time to get used to their speech for us Ohioans. First impression was they were faster and a little higher pitched.

And they were different from the Pittsburgh and Erie art students I met in college.

Even Ohio has three forms of dialect. Always amazed me that a couple hundred miles can change language use and speech styles.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:13:20am

re: #179 Citizen K

You’re certainly good at snatching defeat from the jaws of… nothing at all, since the people who’ve seen the report aren’t talking.

Of course the “no-Collusionists” (aka Repugs) are braying out what they’ve been braying all along. The rest of us are waiting for facts.

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retired cynic  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:14:56am

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Lincoln’s father was born in Virginia and his grandfather in Pennsylvania.

A little Kentucky in there. My family did mostly the Europe to Virginia to Kentucky to Illinois route.

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:15:43am

re: #186 ObserverArt

I went to Philly in ‘76 for the big bicentennial celebration. We had some college friends from Philly and Jersey we hung out with.

It took a little time to get used to their speech for us Ohioans. First impression was they were faster and a little higher pitched.

And they were different from the Pittsburgh and Erie art students I met in college.

Even Ohio has three forms of dialect. Always amazed me that a couple hundred miles can change language use and speech styles.

For the first couple of years after I moved from Philly to NYC, all my New Yorker friends would make fun of my Philly accent and all my Philly friends would make fun of my NY accent.

I figure at that point my accent was probably from somewhere in central Jersey. I’ve since gone full on NY accent, so fugeddaboudit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:20:58am

re: #187 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

You’re certainly good at snatching defeat from the jaws of… nothing at all, since the people who’ve seen the report aren’t talking.

Of course the “no-Collusionists” (aka Repugs) are braying out what they’ve been braying all along. The rest of us are waiting for facts.

They know that if they set up enough of a noise background, it will drown out the facts as they are announced (or leaked)

The Spin Doctors are convening right now and figuring how to make this report look as if it totally exonerates Trump in all instances and can be dismissed and ignored.

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:21:38am

re: #187 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

You’re certainly good at snatching defeat from the jaws of… nothing at all, since the people who’ve seen the report aren’t talking.

Of course the “no-Collusionists” (aka Repugs) are braying out what they’ve been braying all along. The rest of us are waiting for facts.

Yeah, and the Trump and his cult don’t exactly have a stellar record as far as bragging about ‘successes’ that turn out to be anything but (tax cuts and North Korea chief among them).

Let them talk. Whistling past the graveyard, if you ask me.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:21:54am

re: #188 retired cynic

A little Kentucky in there. My family did mostly the Europe to Virginia to Kentucky to Illinois route.

Pretty much Europe to Western Pennsylvania to Virginia here. Though we do have one branch that stated in Cleveland. My Dad’s grandmother was born there but the family left when she was young but her mother’s siblings
descendants remained in the area. Met one of them via DNA testing. She can see a resemblance between her grandmother who she knew very well and my dad’s grandmother who died young. Unfortunately no photos of their father and mother respectively who were born in Glasgow to Irish parents from Fermanagh.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:24:02am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:24:24am

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Pretty much Europe to Western Pennsylvania to Virginia here. Though we do have one branch that stated in Cleveland. My Dad’s grandmother was born there but the family left when she was young but her mother’s siblings
descendants remained in the area. Met one of them via DNA testing. She can see a resemblance between her grandmother who she knew very well and my dad’s grandmother who died young. Unfortunately no photos of their father and mother respectively who were born in Glasgow to Irish parents from Fermanagh.

All similar background: My maternal grandmother was sent from Croatia to Cleveland to marry some fellow they fixed her up with.

My paternal granddad and grandma came from the Hapsburg Empire as well, he from Slovakia, she from Bohemia, and they met and married in Iowa

Both families later moved to Gary, Indiana, where my parents met and married.

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ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:25:11am

re: #189 makeitstop

For the first couple of years after I moved from Philly to NYC, all my New Yorker friends would make fun of my Philly accent and all my Philly friends would make fun of my NY accent.

I figure at that point my accent was probably from somewhere in central Jersey. I’ve since gone full on NY accent, so fugeddaboudit.

I remember the girlfriend of one of the Philly guys. She was from Jersey just across the river from Philly.

She had the greatest Jersey accent ever. She was maybe 5’ tall, Italian and cute. She had this high-pitched Jersey accent and we would find we’d be listening at her and not to her. And she liked to talk so we heard her a lot. It was hard to keep from smiling.

Sometimes her one friend would interpret for us.

We had a blast in only that way a bunch of 21 to 23 years olds could on a big national holiday in the city that kicked it all off.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:26:21am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

An interesting thought, actually. Now I’m still pretty sure nothing will come of it, but it would be all over Faux News by now (the report itself, that is) if it was good news for Trump Nation.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:26:45am

re: #194 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All similar background: My maternal grandmother was sent from Croatia to Cleveland to marry some fellow they fixed her up with.

My paternal granddad and grandma came from the Hapsburg Empire as well, he from Slovakia, she from Bohemia, and they met and married in Iowa

Both families later moved to Gary, Indiana, where my parents met and married.

It’s actually remarkable how much goes back to Cambria County which is where Johnstown is. We knew my Moms parents were born there and their parents immigrated there but we had no idea that my dad’s parents each had a grandparent either born there or immigrate there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:27:41am

re: #195 ObserverArt

She had the greatest Jersey accent ever. She was maybe 5’ tall, Italian and cute. She had this high-pitched Jersey accent and we would find we’d be listening at her and not to her. And she liked to talk so we heard her a lot. It was hard to keep from smiling.

I had a Jersey girlfriend like that. Really one of the nicest women I have ever been with but I just cwoudn’t staynd the way she twolked…it was oawfuhl…especially before cwoffee…

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:30:00am

re: #195 ObserverArt

I remember the girlfriend of one of the Philly guys. She was from Jersey just across the river from Philly.

She had the greatest Jersey accent ever. She was maybe 5’ tall, Italian and cute. She had this high-pitched Jersey accent and we would find we’d be listening at her and not to her. And she liked to talk so we heard her a lot. It was hard to keep from smiling.

Sometimes her one friend would interpret for us.

We had a blast in only that way a bunch of 21 to 23 years olds could on a big national holiday in the city that kicked it all off.

That was a wild year, for sure. My band was pretty hot in the city bars then, and the perks were, umm, rewarding. Ah, youth.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:33:09am

I think it will disappoint those who wanted indictments of Trump intimates but it’s not going to totally clear Trump of wrongdoing either. Either way, my position is the same as it was months ago, Trump needs to go and he did everything to attack this investigation and discredit it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:33:57am

Currently working on my citizenship application. The amount of information the government asks for is ungodly.

Got to get my fingerprints taken again, take the citizenship test and go to the swearing in ceremony before everything is official.

And I get to give Uncle Sam another $725 for the privilege.

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ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:35:46am

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson ✔
@Green_Footballs
You can be sure Trump’s been briefed on it - so if the Mueller report exonerates him, wouldn’t he be crowing and boasting about it right now?

12:58 PM - Mar 23, 2019

Early feeling I get is that it shows at best he is running a loose, leaky and very borderline legal White House and just let everyone run wild because he liked his chaos.

In other words he just wanted the power and money and more or less signaled for his people to do what it takes. And maybe he didn’t want to know what they were doing, just let him know the results and benefits.

I still go back to about two months ago when Lawrence O’Donnell said one night someone from inside Rudy Giuliani’s circles the Mueller report was horrendous. I got the feeling then it was comprehensive and the horror was how out of control it all is.

So, Donny and gang are probably trying to figure out how to play it once everyone gets a feeling of the report. In other words, they have a lot of work to do to make him seem a legitimate president and worthy of keeping his office because it is grift city and open for business.

And the Democrats most likely are going to mine it for everything that shows why Trump is a danger to this country, straight to its core.

Next week they come out fighting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:36:10am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

Currently working on my citizenship application. The amount of information the government asks for is ungodly.

Got to get my fingerprints taken again, take the citizenship test and go to the swearing in ceremony before everything is official.

And I get to give Uncle Sam another $725 for the privilege.

Good luck. I’m surprised you want to join us after everything the Republicans have done to destroy this country, but I’ll never turn down a good person.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:36:18am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

And please remember the most important part about being a United States citizen: Voting.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:37:11am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

Currently working on my citizenship application. The amount of information the government asks for is ungodly.

Got to get my fingerprints taken again, take the citizenship test and go to the swearing in ceremony before everything is official.

And I get to give Uncle Sam another $725 for the privilege.

I’m excited for you. Great honor. I’ll never get the hostility towards immigrants. You guys want to be here. You’re here by choice. I’m here by happenstance.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:38:01am

re: #204 PhillyPretzel

And please remember the most important part about being a United States citizen: Voting.

That’s why I am trying to get my shit together now. Hopefully I can be made official before November 2020.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:38:04am

re: #205 HappyWarrior

I’m excited for you. Great honor. I’ll never get the hostility towards immigrants. You guys want to be here. You’re here by choice. I’m here by happenstance.

I have not lived in the USofA since the late 80’s but have not ever seriously considered giving up my citizenship.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:38:38am

re: #207 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have not lived in the USofA since the late 80’s but have not ever seriously considered giving up my citizenship.

I wouldn’t either. I like being an American. Yeah we’re flawed but this is home.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:40:10am

re: #203 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Good luck. I’m surprised you want to join us after everything the Republicans have done to destroy this country, but I’ll never turn down a good person.

I believe this country is greater than than a few asshole Republicans.

I believe in the ideals this country was founded on.

I believe I have a duty to the children in my life down here to help raise them properly and steer them away from hate.

I believe the vast majority of Americans are fundamentally good people.

I believe that now, more than ever, this country needs good people to dig in and commit to fighting.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:42:29am

re: #209 Eclectic Cyborg

I believe this country is greater than than a few asshole Republicans.

I believe in the ideals this country was founded on.

I believe I have a duty to the children in my life down here to help raise them properly and steer them away from hate.

I believe the vast majority of Americans are fundamentally good people.

I believe that now, more than ever, this country needs good people to dig in and commit to fighting.

Welcome to the family.

I think I might put my Stars and Stripes out this year. I haven’t flown it since the election, but you know what? Fuck those people. America is greater than a bunch of Republican creeps.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:42:41am

Dropping by to note

this probe has spawned many other probes and investigations going way past just Russia

And others that haven’t even got off the ground or seen the light of day let alone been reported or leaked

Mueller’s investigation is the start. The report is just one bit of progress as are all the indictment s and pleas

It’s years premature to think it all ends now with ” no collusion”

Trumpworld is gonna sweat every single day for a long time to come

PS I haven’t a clue what Mueller wrote. Guessing is folly especially since some release is imminent.

Still. I’m thinking it’s gonna be a road map of the past and an AAA triptik with highlighted routes for the future

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:43:11am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:47:53am
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Charles Johnson  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:55:48am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:56:14am

re: #204 PhillyPretzel

And please remember the most important part about being a United States citizen: Voting.

They will register you right there after you take the oath

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:56:24am

re: #114 wrenchwench

Cool!!

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:57:18am

re: #214 Charles Johnson

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I really hope there’s something that makes him and them lose their shit.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 10:57:30am

re: #215 Man, DangerMan

Yes. One of the things I wanted to do when my step-mom took her oath but I could not get off from work.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:00:20am

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

Yes. One of the things I wanted to do when my step-mom took her oath but I could not get off from work.

My sister’s roommate took the oath last Thursday
One more Democrat in North Carolina now

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:00:38am

re: #146 PhillyPretzel

This right here. The perfect combo.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:01:24am

re: #217 HappyWarrior

I really hope there’s something that makes him and them lose their shit.

As someone said yesterday, it would be great if it said Trump didn’t do anything but the pee tape is real.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:02:52am

re: #219 Man, DangerMan

My sister’s roommate took the oath last Thursday
One more Democrat in North Carolina now

One less Republican by the same measure. So happy to have my declaration records for some of my family. Wish I could find the one for my surname’s bearer.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:05:25am

Is it likely the Republican Senators and Congresspeople will get access to the report before Democrats will?

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:07:03am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Honestly I do not know. My personal hope is that Nancy Pelosi and Company get it before anyone else.

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:07:32am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it likely the Republican Senators and Congresspeople will get access to the report before Democrats will?

I was wondering that last night. As of now, Barr’s got it and I’ll assume a copy was sent to the White House.

My question is, if Barr’s not on the level, what’s to stop them from pulling all the most incriminating shit and sending it to Congress? How would they know?

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rhuarc  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:27:24am

re: #225 makeitstop

I was wondering that last night. As of now, Barr’s got it and I’ll assume a copy was sent to the White House.

My question is, if Barr’s not on the level, what’s to stop them from pulling all the most incriminating shit and sending it to Congress? How would they know?

Too many people have probably seen it and it would end up leaked anyway.

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:29:10am
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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:29:34am

re: #227 plansbandc

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Actions have consequences.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:43:48am

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:45:57am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s almost as if they think that they’re owed electoral victory no matter how small a segment of the population they cater to.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:46:05am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

We allow trash to vote, why not also dirt?

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:48:24am

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

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It’s A stupid argument. They just can’t accept that land doesn’t equal people.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:50:03am

re: #232 HappyWarrior

It’s A stupid argument. They just can’t accept that land doesn’t equal people.

I think that a lot of them know that, it just makes a good talking point and Internet meme…it is all about winning arguments. By shouting if necessary.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 11:51:31am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I think that a lot of them know that, it just makes a good talking point and Internet meme…it is all about winning arguments. By shouting if necessary.

They know it but don’t accept it. Just like they don’t accept that they are much more into “safe spaces” and are just as if not more easily “triggered.”

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:02:29pm

re: #229 Blind Frog Belly White

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Alaska is not to scale. That would introduce more scary blue that might discredit the argument.

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fern01  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:05:49pm

re: #230 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s almost as if they think that they’re owed electoral victory no matter how small a segment of the population they cater to.

Known as the divine right to rule.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:07:22pm

re: #152 retired cynic

There is a Marseilles and a Versailles in Illinois. I see you, and raise you.

and a Bourbonnais (pronounced boar-bonus)

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:09:21pm

This is quite good. Guy takes quotes from famous people and makes comics out of them. This one illustrates a Stephen King quote…

zenpencils.com

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:09:47pm

More to the point, that tweet exposes the real reason behind their embrace of the EC - they don’t believe they can win the most votes anymore, but they don’t want to have to change their platform to win those votes. They’ll prattle on about ‘tyranny of the majority’ and ‘The Cities will choose dominate!’ and all, but really it’s that they don’t want to change to win a majority.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:11:55pm

re: #239 Blind Frog Belly White

More to the point, that tweet exposes the real reason behind their embrace of the EC - they don’t believe they can win the most votes anymore, but they don’t want to have to change their platform to win those votes. They’ll prattle on about ‘tyranny of the majority’ and ‘The Cities will choose dominate!’ and all, but really it’s that they don’t want to change to win a majority.

Oh, I got a response to my “land doesn’t vote” comment yesterday. The responder said, “No, land doesn’t vote, but the people who control that land should get to decide what the government does with it.” Ugh, the stupid, it burns.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:12:28pm

re: #240 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Oh, I got a response to my “land doesn’t vote” comment yesterday. The responder said, “No, land doesn’t vote, but the people who control that land should get to decide what the government does with it.” Ugh, the stupid, it burns.

So the government does own all the land?

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makeitstop  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:13:48pm

re: #226 rhuarc

Too many people have probably seen it and it would end up leaked anyway.

I’m hoping that there’s a ‘safety’ copy somewhere, or that if an incomplete report is released under the guise of being complete, that Mueller’s staff would jump in to correct the record.

But I trust Barr and the rest of the cult leaders as far as I could throw them.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:14:03pm

re: #241 Belafon

So the government does own all the land?

That, and apparently the responder didn’t realize that she was effectively saying that land should be allowed to vote. Like, if the majority of people in the country want to do a thing, it doesn’t matter because they don’t control enough land?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:14:21pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

I went to Philly in ‘76 for the big bicentennial celebration. We had some college friends from Philly and Jersey we hung out with.

It took a little time to get used to their speech for us Ohioans. First impression was they were faster and a little higher pitched.

And they were different from the Pittsburgh and Erie art students I met in college.

Even Ohio has three forms of dialect. Always amazed me that a couple hundred miles can change language use and speech styles.

That last bit is what makes my eyes roll so far back into my head when certain white folks start whinging about “SPEAK ENGLISH!!11!!”

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:15:13pm

re: #240 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That reply reminds me of some of the folks in my area saying that primaries are not real elections. This is one of many reasons why the public schools should teach civics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:15:24pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

Lincoln’s father was born in Virginia and his grandfather in Pennsylvania.

In Lincoln’s father’s day, Kentucky was part of Virginia.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:16:05pm

re: #242 makeitstop

Rod Rosenstein has a copy. At least that is what I understand from WaPo.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:18:15pm

re: #196 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

An interesting thought, actually. Now I’m still pretty sure nothing will come of it, but it would be all over Faux News by now (the report itself, that is) if it was good news for Trump Nation.

It will all be good news for trump according to Faux, no matter what the report says

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:19:05pm

re: #243 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That, and apparently the responder didn’t realize that she was effectively saying that land should be allowed to vote. Like, if the majority of people in the country want to do a thing, it doesn’t matter because they don’t control enough land?

Propertarians.

The thing is, the effects of what you do on your own land is not generally limited to your own land.

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plansbandc  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:19:09pm

re: #247 PhillyPretzel

I’m guessing Mueller saved a copy. And, if he truly does have integrity, he will come forward if the fat orange tyrant and his merry band of traitors tries to change anything.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:24:30pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

I went to Philly in ‘76 for the big bicentennial celebration. We had some college friends from Philly and Jersey we hung out with.

It took a little time to get used to their speech for us Ohioans. First impression was they were faster and a little higher pitched.

And they were different from the Pittsburgh and Erie art students I met in college.

Even Ohio has three forms of dialect. Always amazed me that a couple hundred miles can change language use and speech styles.

My view of it is that the area covered by each distinct dialect in America is proportional to the speed of transportation at the time that area was settled by white people. Thus, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore all have very distinct accents, but by the time you get to the midwest, for example, there’s a generalized “Minnesota/Wisconsin” accent, and California has essentially one accent.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:25:17pm

re: #251 Blind Frog Belly White

Note - I’ almost certain that I’m not the first to think this, but I never read it anywhere. Seems obvious, though.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:27:17pm

re: #246 Backwoods_Sleuth

In Lincoln’s father’s day, Kentucky was part of Virginia.

Yeah but Thomas Lincoln was born in a part that is still Va. :)

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sagehen  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:28:09pm

re: #97 Belafon

Someone should do a pattern analysis of his tweets to see if weekends are generally calmer than the weekdays. His Fox shows aren’t on Saturdays and Sundays, so does he have an incentive to get up.

It’s sunny and dry and warm today in Florida. That’s why he’s not tweeting; he’s golfing.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:31:55pm

re: #254 sagehen

It’s sunny and dry and warm today in Florida. That’s why he’s not tweeting; he’s golfing.

He’s probably used his 50th mulligan by now

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:32:32pm

re: #186 ObserverArt

Always amazed me that a couple hundred miles can change language use and speech styles.

We have an extreme case here on the Rhine, but that is a case of history; in the neighboring valley, the people speak a noticeably different dialect.

Then I came to read that nearly the entire population of all three villages in the valley were wiped out by the Black Plague in the 1600’s and the area was repopulated by settlers from other parts of Germany, who brought their dialects with them.

But it is noticeable to this day.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:34:26pm

re: #255 Joe Bacon 🌹

He’s probably used his 50th mulligan by now

The absence of basic integrity in the man is depressing. He apparently cheats like a motherfucker, then crows about winning, even though everyone knows he cheats. That’s how he does EVERYTHING. Sadly, it keeps working for him, so why wouldn’t he?

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SteelPH  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:37:28pm

re: #257 Blind Frog Belly White

The absence of basic integrity in the man is depressing. He apparently cheats like a motherfucker, then crows about winning, even though everyone knows he cheats. That’s how he does EVERYTHING. Sadly, it keeps working for him, so why wouldn’t he?

Even his wives aren’t safe from the cheating.
/half

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piratedan  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:40:31pm

tbh, I’m not too concerned about Barr, not while Nancy Smash has the power of the subpeona, she can call anyone to discuss anything. While the WH can play footsie with this shit for so long, all Nancy (or Cummings or Nadler or Waters) has to do is ask them to speak before the appropriate Congressional committee and all of this will be out there on the Congressional record and C-Span for anyone to read and watch.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:44:39pm

re: #243 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

That, and apparently the responder didn’t realize that she was effectively saying that land should be allowed to vote. Like, if the majority of people in the country want to do a thing, it doesn’t matter because they don’t control enough land?

It actually sounds more like the responder is effectively saying that only land owner votes should count.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:45:33pm

re: #238 plansbandc

This is quite good. Guy takes quotes from famous people and makes comics out of them. This one illustrates a Stephen King quote…

zenpencils.com

Awesome. I hit the random button and got this.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:46:23pm

re: #260 Backwoods_Sleuth

It actually sounds more like the responder is effectively saying that only land owner votes should count.

Well, yes. Obviously land can’t actually vote.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:51:44pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:53:51pm
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sagehen  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:53:52pm

re: #251 Blind Frog Belly White

My view of it is that the area covered by each distinct dialect in America is proportional to the speed of transportation at the time that area was settled by white people. Thus, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, and Baltimore all have very distinct accents, but by the time you get to the midwest, for example, there’s a generalized “Minnesota/Wisconsin” accent, and California has essentially one accent.

“Americans think 100 years was a long time ago. Europeans think 100 miles is far away.”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:54:00pm

re: #262 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Well, yes. Obviously land can’t actually vote.

Still remember how Paul Gann repeatedly said that only property owners should have the right to vote.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:54:40pm

re: #266 Joe Bacon 🌹

Still remember how Paul Gann repeatedly said that only property owners should have the right to vote.

Like the founders intended, don’tcha know.

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Skip Intro  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:55:32pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

WH hasn’t been briefed. Who believes that?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:56:20pm
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sagehen  Mar 23, 2019 • 12:58:20pm

When the report (or parts of it) becomes public, remember:

His report doesn’t include the stuff that got farmed out to other courts; especially cases that haven’t yet gone to verdict/sentencing.

The parts that overlap with ongoing counterintelligence investigation won’t be made public.

Grand jury testimony won’t be made public.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:00:03pm
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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:01:02pm

re: #264 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I strongly suspect we can look forward to weeks, if not months, of Barr trying to slow-walk the release of this report.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:02:02pm

heh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:04:36pm

re: #272 Targetpractice

I strongly suspect we can look forward to weeks, if not months, of Barr trying to slow-walk the release of this report.

It will be leaked, but in selective and tactically premeditated doses

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:08:38pm
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stpaulbear  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:09:21pm

re: #269 Backwoods_Sleuth
re: #271 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m glad to see that people are getting out to protest, but it sure took them until the 11th hour to do it. I hope that they can make a difference. Things are so f’ed up now.

Other countries are probably having the same reaction to how we treat Trump and the house and senate republicans. We spend so much time laughing just to keep from crying about how horribly things are going.

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Targetpractice  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:09:40pm

re: #274 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It will be leaked, but in selective and tactically premeditated doses

Ayep. See yesterday, where we learned from an anonymous “DOJ official” that there would be no further indictments. Barr’s going to now bullshit us endlessly about how he just can’t release the full report because “national security” or “ongoing investigations,” yet we’ll get constant “leaks” from “DOJ officials,” “White House staff,” and “Congressional aides” about what it allegedly contains.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:12:52pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

Ayep. See yesterday, where we learned from an anonymous “DOJ official” that there would be no further indictments. Barr’s going to now bullshit us endlessly about how he just can’t release the full report because “national security” or “ongoing investigations,” yet we’ll get constant “leaks” from “DOJ officials,” “White House staff,” and “Congressional aides” about what it allegedly contains.

If they really want to keep it a secret, they should give it to Marvel, who has managed to control all information about Endgame.

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Belafon  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:13:42pm

David Anderson at balloon-juice.com reminds us that today is the 9th anniversary of the ACA.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:14:17pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

Ayep. See yesterday, where we learned from an anonymous “DOJ official” that there would be no further indictments. Barr’s going to now bullshit us endlessly about how he just can’t release the full report because “national security” or “ongoing investigations,” yet we’ll get constant “leaks” from “DOJ officials,” “White House staff,” and “Congressional aides” about what it allegedly contains.

Various sides will leak whatever fits their narrative, the DT wide will leak all the parts that sound unfounded, exonerating or at least harmless.

I assume Mueller was aware of this when he prepared the report. I trust he has a long game.

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HappyWarrior  Mar 23, 2019 • 1:15:47pm

re: #279 Belafon

David Anderson at balloon-juice.com reminds us that today is the 9th anniversary of the ACA.

9 years already. Time flies.

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ObserverArt  Mar 23, 2019 • 2:05:20pm

re: #276 stpaulbear

I’m glad to see that people are getting out to protest, but it sure took them until the 11th hour to do it. I hope that they can make a difference. Things are so f’ed up now.

Other countries are probably having the same reaction to how we treat Trump and the house and senate republicans. We spend so much time laughing just to keep from crying about how horribly things are going.

The people probably thought they had representation in government that would do the right thing in the long run.

Even if their country had a lot of people that voted for the wrong thing.

Like here in the USA where we have representatives we think would figure out we voted for the wrong thing.

Everyone is waiting for someone to do the right thing.


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