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Patricia Kayden  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:26:15pm
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Barefoot Grin  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:32:46pm

re: #1 Patricia Kayden

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Yes, that is his one blind spot (and not his alone). The other problem with this is that we have a candidate who is (arguably) better at policy out there in Elizabeth Warren who is doing this work constantly and on the ground in places like Mississippi this weekend. Point that out. We have to make this a huge issue this time. No more empty podiums on CNN—we want substantive discussions!

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Citizen K  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:40:45pm

re: #2 Barefoot Grin

Yes, that is his one blind spot (and not his alone). The other problem with this is that we have a candidate who is (arguably) better at policy out there in Elizabeth Warren who is doing this work constantly and on the ground in places like Mississippi this weekend. Point that out. We have to make this a huge issue this time. No more empty podiums on CNN—we want substantive discussions!

Good luck making that happen. The more we try and get anything of CNN, the more they seem deadset on allowing the GOP to set the stage, especially when anything Dem is involved. Thus unless you’re obsessive pol junkies like us, you’ll never get the actual Dem narrative. Just the GOP narrative of what the Dems are about. All actual policy talk may as well be spitting in the wind, who has time for that when juicy ‘Dems obsessed with identity politics!’ red meat is staring you in the face! I mean, forget that the red meat is just dyed rubber and foam, it looks tasty, right?!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:43:01pm

Well!

Looky Looky Loo who also used a private mail server…

mavenroundtable.io

A slew of Trump administration officials were found to have used private email to conduct official business, according to a publicly released letter from House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-MD), and one of those officials was Stephen Bannon.

According to the letter, Bannon — President Donald Trump’s former chief strategist — and former deputy national security adviser K.T. McFarland discussed the transfer of sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, both using private email accounts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:46:27pm
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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:46:39pm

re: #4 Joe Bacon 🌹

Very interesting information.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:48:16pm

re: #6 PhillyPretzel

Very interesting information.

Don’t worry Philly since Miss Lindsay has made it clear he’s going to once again investigate Hillary over Uranium One, Benghazi, The Clinton Foundation and all of those e-mails!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:51:06pm

oh vomit…

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:51:52pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh vomit…

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JFC put that in spoiler tags please! NSFW or anywhere else.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:52:58pm
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ObserverArt  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:53:38pm

The Democrats have to be loud and demonstrative. They have to make some noise.

It has to be good noise, but they have to command attention from the media. That is apparently the new way, but if that is the way, then that is the way.

They have to use the internet way more to take on all the Trump stuff and the media. They have to show the media up to a degree - challenge them.

They have to make so much noise the media has to cover why those old softy Democrats are getting all noisy and raising a ruckus.

Rally’s everywhere around making America clean again…both politically and environmentally. The media loves color, noise and a good show. Then they are guaranteed to cover you.

But it has to be substantive and held to.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:54:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:56:34pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:58:12pm

re: #5 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah, watching that. Rockwall county, where I am might get clipped at the north east corner, where Royse City is. Greenville, where I work, may or may not be in its path.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:58:29pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Bots are glued to the accounts of Schiff and Feinstein.

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:59:04pm

re: #12 Backwoods_Sleuth

Thank you Sen Feinstein. I hope you, Speaker Pelosi, Sen Schumer all get Mr Mueller’s full report.

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 24, 2019 • 4:59:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:00:38pm

re: #14 Belafon

Yeah, watching that. Rockwall county, where I am might get clipped at the north east corner, where Royse City is. Greenville, where I work, may or may not be in its path.

noticed that it was close to you

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PhillyPretzel  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:01:05pm

re: #15 Barefoot Grin

I am not surprised. The “bots” are going to try to wear them out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:02:26pm
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DodgerFan1988  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:02:58pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:03:36pm

re: #19 PhillyPretzel

I am not surprised. The “bots” are going to try to wear them out.

I doubt even Schiff and Feinstein’s offices read the replies, which are more for swaying other readers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:04:48pm
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:05:39pm

re: #23 Backwoods_Sleuth

“View”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:06:15pm

Insane relative sent me an IM that Q said Mueller was going to indict Obama and Hilary over Pizzagate.

I just sent him a reply asking him what new bullshit will Q come up with now?

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jaunte  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:06:15pm

Remember when Presidents read?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:07:33pm

re: #26 jaunte

Remember when Presidents read?

I pity the fool that has to draw the Dick and Jane diagrams for the President’s Daily Briefing…

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:08:34pm

From Popehat at the Atlantic:

Why would Mueller spend so much time investigating obstruction of justice but not reach a conclusion? We won’t know until we read his report. But Mueller, a career G-man, is fundamentally legally conservative. That means he has a narrow view of his own role and a healthy respect for the authority of the other branches of government. He might believe that the evaluation is so inherently political that no conclusion he could offer would ever be seen as legitimate, and that the matter is better resolved through Congress’s constitutional authority to impeach (or not) the president. Even if Mueller didn’t make an explicit recommendation, we’ll probably be able to infer his conclusions by reviewing how he marshaled the evidence for and against guilt. Prosecutors, as a rule, are not good at neutral renditions of facts.

The attorney general showed no such circumspection. In less than 48 hours, he and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein—who supervised Mueller for most of his investigation—“concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offence.” Though Barr emphasized that he and Rosenstein had been involved in evaluating the status of the investigation for months, and that they consulted the Office of Legal Counsel and other Department of Justice experts, this conclusion reflects startling and unseemly haste for such a historic matter.

Crucially, we don’t know whether Barr concluded that the president didn’t obstruct justice or whether he couldn’t obstruct justice. Well before his appointment, Barr wrote an unsolicited memo to Rosenstein arguing that Mueller’s investigation was “fatally misconceived,” to the extent it was premised on Trump firing former FBI Director James Comey or trying to persuade Comey to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn, Trump’s first national-security adviser. Barr’s memo was a forceful exposition of the legal argument that the president cannot obstruct justice by exercising certain core powers such as hiring or firing staff or directing the course of executive-branch investigations. So although Barr’s letter to Congress says that he and Rosenstein found no actions that constituted “obstructive conduct” undertaken with the requisite corrupt intent, we don’t know whether he means that Trump didn’t try to interfere with an investigation, or that even if he did, it wasn’t obstruction for a president to do so. Democrats in Congress will want to probe that distinction—as they should.

Mueller’s report was initially confidential under Department of Justice regulations governing the special counsel. In Sunday’s letter, Barr said his goal was to release as much of it as possible consistent with the law. In particular, he noted that the report includes information about matters occurring before the grand jury that are secret as a matter of federal law, and that some other references in the report might reveal the status of ongoing investigations. Barr must abide by his promise to resolve those questions promptly and in favor of as much disclosure as the law permits. It’s impossible to evaluate the results of Mueller’s investigation—and their legal, political, and historical significance—without the details.

And we know Barr doesn’t believe a sitting president can be indicted. It just all means that we shouldn’t accept anything until the report is released.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:09:42pm
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jaunte  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:12:24pm
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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:13:20pm

See correction below.

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makeitstop  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:13:54pm

re: #31 makeitstop

Anyone notice this?

“concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offence.”

Odd spelling, coming from a couple of good old American boys, no?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:14:01pm
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piratedan  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:14:33pm

re: #30 jaunte

to Phillippe…. they don’t care and they have the rent-a-cops on staff to shoot anyone who might be perceived to be a bother to them and have changed the laws to protect themselves should they do so….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:17:58pm

it looks so…white…so like Vermont…

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Archangelus  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:18:25pm
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piratedan  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:19:23pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Barr’s just doing what Barr was hired to do, protect the President. The media is doing what they’re finding profitable to do, which is to support this fascist administration no matter the thin sheer fabric of constitutionality that is in place. Based on Barr’s history alone with Iran-Contra, any self respecting news organization would assume the fix was in and based on the rapid fire findings of exoneration of the President issued by Barr less than 48 hours of the receipt of the report should be telling. Not to even mention the fact that the President hiumself, admitted obstruction of justice, live, on TV in an interview with Lester Holt, should be anything that any prosecutor would ever need to prove obstruction.

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Dave In Austin  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:20:22pm

Thinks about throwing desk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:24:03pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:41:52pm

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:42:49pm

barf

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:43:44pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:44:04pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

barf

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teleskiguy  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:45:10pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:46:16pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:46:31pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:49:04pm

re: #44 teleskiguy

Nice! Congratulations, dude!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:51:56pm

this thread…I’m dying…

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teleskiguy  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:52:10pm

re: #47 Eclectic Cyborg

Employee of the Month of December. That was back when I worked 11 hour days for 16 days straight (the holiday season, oh joy!). I worked almost 40 hours of overtime over one two week period. tbh how did I do that?

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austin_blue  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:54:29pm

re: #49 teleskiguy

Employee of the Month of December. That was back when I worked 11 hour days for 16 days straight (the holiday season, oh joy!). I worked almost 40 hours of overtime over one two week period. tbh how did I do that?

Work, eat, sleep. No party, no disco, no fooling around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 24, 2019 • 5:54:44pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:00:32pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…I’m dying…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:02:24pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:03:37pm

re: #42 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah coming from such a twit as Dana Loesch whose real God is Ayn Rand!

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:03:50pm

re: #53 Charles Johnson

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All anyone ever talked about around me was Negan.

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teleskiguy  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:06:09pm

re: #50 austin_blue

Work, eat, sleep. No party, no disco, no fooling around.

There was a fair amount of play on the slippery sticks as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:06:18pm

re: #48 Backwoods_Sleuth

this thread…I’m dying…

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That iPad would be in the water so damn fast…

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:19:02pm
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teleskiguy  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:21:19pm
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Dave In Austin  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:23:33pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:31:33pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:53:40pm

My sister is in absolutely despair as a result of the Barr report. She basically just responds to the “common” knowledge and conventional news stories.

But she’s getting the same content as the average viewer who is not wired into more in depth discussions and broader sources. Her refrain is that “Trump will get away with it all and be reelected in 2020”. We have to see that doesn’t happen but it’s often hard to be optimistic when the MSM repeatedly demonstrated its incompetence and its bias against Hillary throughout the 2016 campaign and it seems to be prepared to repeat the same behavior.

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Citizen K  Mar 24, 2019 • 6:58:20pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister is in absolutely despair as a result of the Barr report. She basically just responds to the “common” knowledge and conventional news stories.

But she’s getting the same content as the average viewer who is not wired into more in depth discussions and broader sources. Her refrain is that “Trump will get away with it all and be reelected in 2020”. We have to see that doesn’t happen but it’s often hard to be optimistic when the MSM repeatedly demonstrated its incompetence and its bias against Hillary throughout the 2016 campaign and it seems to be prepared to repeat the same behavior.

I just made a comment over at B-J after being absent from there for ages, about that exact problem: we might see something behind the veil that we can try and dig in on, but we’re the junkies, consuming the minutiae over things like this. Those who are only casual observers or don’t have the regular investment to track politics obsessively are going to be beholden to what the press and the media put out. And we’ve seen that the press has almost universally latched on to the ‘TRUMP TOTALLY INNOCENT’ narrative.

That’s going to be nigh impenetrable to get through without some major shakeup.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:01:36pm

re: #62 Hecuba’s daughter

My sister is in absolutely despair as a result of the Barr report. She basically just responds to the “common” knowledge and conventional news stories.

But she’s getting the same content as the average viewer who is not wired into more in depth discussions and broader sources. Her refrain is that “Trump will get away with it all and be reelected in 2020”. We have to see that doesn’t happen but it’s often hard to be optimistic when the MSM repeatedly demonstrated its incompetence and its bias against Hillary throughout the 2016 campaign and it seems to be prepared to repeat the same behavior.

Ask your sister if Russian collusion was the only thing people hated about him. The point being that there was a whole lot of stuff, the first on my list being his racism.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:03:32pm

Oh, and he is unindicted co-conspirator number 1.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:10:28pm

re: #64 Belafon

Ask your sister if Russian collusion was the only thing people hated about him. The point being that there was a whole lot of stuff, the first on my list being his racism.

He got 62,000,000 votes in 2016, in rather lackluster turnout for an open Presidential election. Only his base were enthusiastic, and that’s not all of the 62,000,000. Does anybody actually think he’s gained any support in the last two years? I don’t. And whoever’s running against him will have had less than two years of raging, slobbering bullshit heaped on them, instead of 35 like Hillary. Plus the Democratic base is riled up like I’ve never seen them. It’s going to take some real chicanery for him to win in 2020. (And yes, I count the “Electoral College” as chicanery.)

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:12:22pm

re: #64 Belafon

Ask your sister if Russian collusion was the only thing people hated about him. The point being that there was a whole lot of stuff, the first on my list being his racism.

The problem is Trump’s brilliance at turning everything against his opponents. He will claim that the reason for any failure in his administration is due to the “witch hunt” and that he is a totally innocent man, exonerated of all crimes. He and his minions will use that as a cudgel to attack his opponents. The Democrats did win the House in 2018 because of their success in promoting policies, not in attacks on Trump. But the Barr report will discredit all those who challenge him. Hopefully the full report will be released some way or other and will prove to undermine everything that toady Barr asserted in his “summary”.

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Citizen K  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:16:16pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

The problem is Trump’s brilliance at turning everything against his opponents. He will claim that the reason for any failure in his administration is due to the “witch hunt” and that he is a totally innocent man, exonerated of all crimes. He and his minions will use that as a cudgel to attack his opponents. The Democrats did win the House in 2018 because of their success in promoting policies, not in attacks on Trump. But the Barr report will discredit all those who challenge him. Hopefully the full report will be released some way or other and will prove to undermine everything that toady Barr asserted in his “summary”.

Not to mention that 2018 was an off-year election, 2020 is going to see a lot of races nationalized precisely because of the presidential election.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:18:24pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:18:58pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

The problem is Trump’s brilliance at turning everything against his opponents. He will claim that the reason for any failure in his administration is due to the “witch hunt” and that he is a totally innocent man, exonerated of all crimes. He and his minions will use that as a cudgel to attack his opponents. The Democrats did win the House in 2018 because of their success in promoting policies, not in attacks on Trump. But the Barr report will discredit all those who challenge him. Hopefully the full report will be released some way or other and will prove to undermine everything that toady Barr asserted in his “summary”.

If he’s so brilliant, why are his approval ratings so low, and why does a majority believe he committed crimes?

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:19:54pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:20:20pm

re: #68 Citizen K

Not to mention that 2018 was an off-year election, 2020 is going to see a lot of races nationalized precisely because of the presidential election.

The repugs have no previously apathetic reserves to draw on.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:24:05pm

re: #72 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

The repugs have no previously apathetic reserves to draw on.

Yeah, they went to that well for the last time with the gay marriage scare of 2004, to gain the only (narrow) win they’ve had since 1988. Except for, you know, chicanery….

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Charles Johnson  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:25:05pm
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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:25:26pm

re: #67 Hecuba’s daughter

The problem is Trump’s brilliance at turning everything against his opponents. He will claim that the reason for any failure in his administration is due to the “witch hunt” and that he is a totally innocent man, exonerated of all crimes. He and his minions will use that as a cudgel to attack his opponents. The Democrats did win the House in 2018 because of their success in promoting policies, not in attacks on Trump. But the Barr report will discredit all those who challenge him. Hopefully the full report will be released some way or other and will prove to undermine everything that toady Barr asserted in his “summary”.

“You’re a racist supported by racists.”
“Mueller exonerated me from collusion.”
“You’re still a racist.”

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:26:30pm
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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:28:40pm

re: #73 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Yeah, they went to that well for the last time with the gay marriage scare of 2004, to gain the only (narrow) win they’ve had since 1988. Except for, you know, chicanery….

Funny, we’ve had this discussion already. Before chicanery gave the repugs their huge victory in the midterms, wasn’t it?

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:29:05pm

re: #68 Citizen K

Not to mention that 2018 was an off-year election, 2020 is going to see a lot of races nationalized precisely because of the presidential election.

The reason Beto is so well known is his race got nationalized, in 2018. Had it not been 2018, and not been Ted Cruz, it would have been the 2014 race against Cornyn all over again (remember who he ran against, because I don’t and I live in Texas). Doug Jones’s run became a national race.

And a number of races in 2008 and 2012 became nationalized. It’s going to happen, and we’re going to win them.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:30:51pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Because the DOJ had to approve them:

Not even Sessions was going to approve that.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:38:58pm

Weed then sleep. Hoping tomorrow is a better day.

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SteelPH  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:39:33pm

re: #80 I Would Prefer Not To

Weed then sleep. Hoping tomorrow is a better day.

Don’t ask for miracles.
/half

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:41:14pm

Terminator will not stop …. Ever

Republicans. Am I right?

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 24, 2019 • 7:42:13pm

re: #77 A hollow voice says, Collusion!

Funny, we’ve had this discussion already. Before chicanery gave the repugs their huge victory in the midterms, wasn’t it?

I just meant to point out that the GOP has won the popular vote in a Presidential election only once since 1988, and that was by activating the last reservoir of previously apathetic voters they could. They’re all in now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:10:06pm

re: #83 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

I just meant to point out that the GOP has won the popular vote in a Presidential election only once since 1988, and that was by activating the last reservoir of previously apathetic voters they could. They’re all in now.

The most important way to prevent this from happening again is to stop voter disenfranchisement and get voters to the polls. Florida voters tried to restore voting rights and the Republicans are working overtime to overturn the will of the population. Our only way to top the tyranny of the minority is to succeed in voting them out but this is very problematical given their concerted efforts to sabotage every effort to expand the vote.

My brother was contemptuous toward allowing felons to vote; Fox News and other right wing media continue to poison American minds and there seems to be no way to stop that.

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:14:32pm

To say Mueller didn’t conclude that the Trump campaign “colluded with the Russian govt” is a level of lawyerly parsing akin to “depends what the meaning of is is”.

Roger Stone wasn’t officially part of the campaign, he was a “friend” who “did favors” and “gave advice.”

Cambridge Analytica wasn’t officially the campaign, they were a vendor owned by a donor.

Butina and the NRA weren’t officially the campaign.

Wikileaks, Assange, Deripaska et al aren’t officially “the Russian govt”.

And of course, ongoing counter-intelligence operations haven’t “concluded” anything.

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Mike Lamb  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:20:26pm

re: #66 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

Hes definitely not gaining votes. He’s white knocking the 100k votes that gave him the EC advantage. If he had a 30% chance in ‘16, I don’t see where that has increased.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:28:40pm

re: #86 Mike Lamb

Hes definitely not gaining votes. He’s white knocking the 100k votes that gave him the EC advantage. If he had a 30% chance in ‘16, I don’t see where that has increased.

What might have been….

If the election fraud in Ohio had worked as poorly in 2004 as it did in 2012, John Kerry would have won an Electoral victory from 3,000,000 votes behind, just like tRump in 2016…except that would not have been allowed to stand, and the “Electoral College” would be history now.

The Bush campaign was ready to hit the ground running in 2000 to overturn an Electoral win, Popular loss by Gore—they were caught flat-footed when it turned out the other way around.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:34:43pm

re: #87 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

When a Republican finally loses the Electoral College but wins the popular vote (let’s say, by a fairly substantial margin, like Hillary in 2016) the EC will be gone in one of the fastest Constitutional amendment processes anyone’s ever witnessed.

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Archangelus  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:36:48pm

Ahhh, there’s nothing quite like waking up really early to the insanely-loud sound of a city-wide siren in this supposedly-safe coastal city, followed by a very loud BOOM echoing in the distance… ///////
>:-(

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:37:45pm

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

When a Republican finally loses the Electoral College but wins the popular vote (let’s say, by a fairly substantial margin, like Hillary in 2016) the EC will be gone in one of the fastest Constitutional amendment processes anyone’s ever witnessed.

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote anyway?

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:38:33pm

re: #87 The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge

What might have been….

If the election fraud in Ohio had worked as poorly in 2004 as it did in 2012, John Kerry would have won an Electoral victory from 3,000,000 votes behind, just like tRump in 2016…except that would not have been allowed to stand, and the “Electoral College” would be history now.

The Bush campaign was ready to hit the ground running in 2000 to overturn an Electoral win, Popular loss by Gore—they were caught flat-footed when it turned out the other way around.

I agree 100% with this evaluation. The only reason the GOP and Prager University and Republican voters are so fond of the electoral college is that in the 21st Century, it has favored them. My one disagreement is with the contention that a Kerry victory would not have been allowed to stand. Kerry would have become President, and there would have been a new Constitutional amendment in place for the 2008 election

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sagehen  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:39:22pm

re: #90 Eclectic Cyborg

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote anyway?

GHWB had a substantial popular vote win. GWB won it just barely in 2004.

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The Very Reverend Battleaxe of Knowledge  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:39:33pm

re: #90 Eclectic Cyborg

When was the last time a Republican won the popular vote anyway?

2004. Otherwise, not since 1988.

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Archangelus  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:53:25pm

Further updates:

Alarms went off in 32 towns and cities across the Sharon central region at ~5:15AM; an early and terrifying wake-up call for nearly half a million people.
And then there’s the boom. Can’t forget the boom. I sure heard it loud and clear, and it hit at a distance.

Edit: and it wasn’t at as much a distance as it might have seemed, as according on latest report, the ambulances I heard/saw earlier were the ones bringing the folks hurt in the rocket attack to my city’s hospital.
Be advised that the reports aren’t consistent as to where the Rocket actually hit - at least 3 different towns have been cited so far

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ckkatz  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:53:52pm

re: #89 Archangelus

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ckkatz  Mar 24, 2019 • 8:56:34pm

re: #94 Archangelus

Update:

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Alarms went off in 32 towns and cities across the Sharon central region at ~5:15AM; an early and terrifying wake-up call for nearly half a million people…

Looks like you are way ahead of me. But being awakened by loud booms can do that.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2019 • 9:16:56pm

re: #79 Belafon

Because the DOJ had to approve them:

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Not even Sessions was going to approve that.

Revelations like these are why we desperately need to get Mueller in an open session of Congress to answer questions. He is the best source for answers on the decision-making process for critical parts of this investigation, either because he made them or he knows who did and can point us to them.

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Belafon  Mar 24, 2019 • 9:36:33pm
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retired cynic  Mar 24, 2019 • 9:38:32pm

re: #98 Belafon

I just like this woman.

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austin_blue  Mar 24, 2019 • 10:09:35pm

re: #99 retired cynic

I just like this woman.

Me too. She plays social media like she’s born to it, and she probably is.

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austin_blue  Mar 24, 2019 • 10:10:52pm

And I’m out. Sweet scaly dreams.

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piratedan  Mar 24, 2019 • 10:18:45pm

re: #98 Belafon

my biggest issue with that take is that I fear that we can’t return to any semblance of sanity until they are removed. Those folks streamline hatred and bigotry and misogyny into the American conversation hourly preventing any attempt to deal with those issues.

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Targetpractice  Mar 24, 2019 • 10:25:09pm

My suggestion for any wingnuts you meet, either online or in-person, who insist that Mueller has exonerated Donny and the whole matter was a “hoax”: Ask them if they’ve seen the actual report. Not Barr’s editorial, but the actual report the Mueller submitted with the relevant evidence that Barr says must now be redacted by law.

Guarantee you they will immediately start trying to make excuses for why Barr giving his personal opinion is good enough, but James Comey doing the same about the Clinton investigation was a “miscarriage of justice.”

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freetoken  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:15:40am

re: #98 Belafon

The answer to Takei’s question we have answered many times.

Trump got elected because:
1) he appeals to a lot of latent racism and bigotry that exists in the electorate;
2) his opponent was a woman;
3) a non-trivial portion of the electorate are suffering from a worldview crisis as their religion is being battered about by modernity and they are desperate for a leader who will reify their wacky beliefs.

I’m waiting for a Democratic candidate who will be courageous enough to state the above publicly.

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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:38:15am
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:45:30am
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Dread Pirate Whitebeard  Mar 25, 2019 • 2:01:21am

You know why I hate doing math stoned? It’s because while I’m sure of my results (8589934592), I just can’t remember why I was doing the calculation in the first place.

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goddamnedfrank  Mar 25, 2019 • 2:43:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 25, 2019 • 3:20:13am

re: #95 ckkatz

1 moderate injury and 6 light injuries caused by the rocket explosion. Israel Gaza

That injured moderate has probably been radicalized by now…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Mar 25, 2019 • 3:33:36am

re: #107 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

You know why I hate doing math stoned? It’s because while I’m sure of my results (8589934592), I just can’t remember why I was doing the calculation in the first place.

I was amazed at my roommate at Indiana University who would get stoned to take a calculus test, but said that he wanted to be in the same state of mind as when he was studying for it…

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Patricia Kayden  Mar 25, 2019 • 4:50:45am

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Dizzy  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:08:02am

We ignore Sarah at our own peril.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:16:02am

re: #44 teleskiguy

Make sure you put that on your refrigerator!

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jeffreyw  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:19:02am

Good morning!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:22:09am

Getting ready to go back to work and It’s going to be a pain in the CENSORED…

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:22:22am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:24:36am

The Screw York Times is forever locked in Trump asskissing mode.

I’m sure Maggie has a direct line to Miss Lindsay so she can go back to dumping more dirt on Hillary.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:27:16am

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:28:09am

re: #117 Joe Bacon 🌹

The Screw York Times is forever locked in Trump asskissing mode.

I’m sure Maggie has a direct line to Miss Lindsay so she can go back to dumping more dirt on Hillary.

She is nothing if not depressingly predictable.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:29:42am

this

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:31:54am

if you don’t know that electoral-vote.com is my first stop every morning, then you haven’t been paying attention. they are reasonably objective and mostly sober in their reporting and analysis (imo)

second stop is politicalwire.com

then i spend the rest of my time here. (only lgf opens automatically when chrome starts)

i know it’s early in the morning

i suggest everyone take five minutes at electoral-vote.com today. just the first three stories. it’s a quick read, and i promise you’re gonna feel a whole lot better.

- Barr’s report on Mueller’s report isn’t the end of the story. It is merely the start of the second act.
- pretty much all reporting is no ‘collusion’ and no exoneration for obstruction
- multiple [serious] investigations of Trump are going to continue for years and some of them may strike paydirt

- if mueller couldnt conclude there was collusion its either cause the standard is very high, or he couldnt find evidence. these people werent machievellianly brilliant in planning and covering their tracks. If mueller couldnt find evidence then there likely wasnt collusion, in fact. Just ham-handed ineptitude. we need to accept it if that turns out to be true.

it’s early days yet.

smile, breathe and go slowly

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:37:18am

re: #121 Man, DangerMan

if you don’t know that electoral-vote.com is my first stop every morning, then you haven’t been paying attention. they are reasonably objective and mostly sober in their reporting and analysis (imo)

second stop is politicalwire.com

then i spend the rest of my time here. (only lgf opens automatically when chrome starts)

i know it’s early in the morning

i suggest everyone take five minutes at electoral-vote.com today. just the first three stories. it’s a quick read, and i promise you’re gonna feel a whole lot better.

- if mueller couldnt conclude there was collusion its either cause the standard is very high, or he couldnt find evidence. these people werent machievellianly brilliant in planning and covering their tracks. If mueller couldnt find evidence then there likely wasnt collusion, in fact. Just ham-handed ineptitude. we need to accept it if that turns out to be true.

it’s early days yet.

smile, breathe and go slowly

There are a lot of unanswered questions: The TT meeting; How does the DNC hacking and WL play into all of this.

But I agree, about taking a breath, etc. And everybody try to get some exercise if you can, too. That’ll help with the mood.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:38:08am

re: #120 I Would Prefer Not To

this

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Seeing the Russian Trolls and their MAGAT pals flooding Swallwell’s comments with demands that he resign or be tossed in jail for a failed coup attempt.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:39:17am

re: #112 Dizzy

We ignore Sarah at our own peril.

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The only people who can save us our ourselves.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:42:02am

re: #119 Citizen K

She is nothing if not depressingly predictable.

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For Maggie’s, that’s a pretty solid statement.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:43:13am

re: #125 Belafon

For Maggie’s, that’s a pretty solid statement.

And so her feed is filled with MAGA-types calling her a constant shill for the DNC. Poor Maggie can’t win.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:46:48am

re: #79 Belafon

Because the DOJ had to approve them:

Not even Sessions was going to approve that.

Yeah, and no way Sessions was not going to write the same “exoneration” letter Barr just did. Which makes it all the stranger that DJT spent two years disgracing and belittling Sessions into quitting.

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:48:12am

re: #125 Belafon

For Maggie’s, that’s a pretty solid statement.

re: #126 Barefoot Grin

And so her feed is filled with MAGA-types calling her a constant shill for the DNC. Poor Maggie can’t win.

My take on it was that she was chiding the person she was retweeting telling her that while Mueller didn’t take a position, Barr did, and that should be it.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:48:13am

re: #127 Sir John Barron

Yeah, and no way Sessions was not going to write the same “exoneration” letter Barr just did. Which makes it all the stranger that DJT spent two years disgracing and belittling Sessions into quitting.

And obviously to create a situation where I feel any sympathy for Jefferson Davis Beauregard Sessions is a might strange one indeed.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:49:19am

re: #128 Citizen K

My take on it was that she was chiding the person she was retweeting telling her that while Mueller didn’t take a position, Barr did, and that should be it.

Remember when the GOP willingly accepted Lynch/Comey’s decision not to prosecute Hillary?

/

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:49:46am

Meanwhile….

Lovely start of the week so far.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 5:50:11am

re: #131 Citizen K

Meanwhile….

Lovely start of the week so far.

good people on both sides….

/

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:00:44am
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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:03:45am

re: #133 Citizen K

Mmm, why is Barr’s summary statement being accepted at face value? That there was not corrupt behavior, etc, if not outright criminality.

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:08:50am

re: #134 Sir John Barron

Mmm, why is Barr’s summary statement being accepted at face value? That there was not corrupt behavior, etc, if not outright criminality.

Because it’s almost like the entire discourse is only designed to take things seriously when criminality is suggested on one side. Almost like the entire discourse is designed to treat one party with kid gloves and constantly think the best of it. Maybe because they were just looking for an excuse to hail praises on said same party so they can rule (not govern) the country like the ‘real America’ wants them to.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:08:59am

re: #128 Citizen K

My take on it was that she was chiding the person she was retweeting telling her that while Mueller didn’t take a position, Barr did, and that should be it.

That would be a pretty lousy take.

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Barefoot Grin  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:10:57am
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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:14:47am

re: #136 Barefoot Grin

That would be a pretty lousy take.

Considering her track record, I reserve the right to expect the worst out of her.

EDIT: Case in point -

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:18:33am

Trump Presidency is avoiding indictment by an agency, DOJ, that has an official policy of not indicting sitting Presidents, on the basis of a decision by his handpicked AG who argued months ago that Trump had done nothing wrong

There’s a sense of just how pathetic the Trump Presidency is.

Pathetic, not even pyrrhic

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:23:00am

en.m.wikipedia.org

Hybrid regimes are nations where consequential[clarification needed] irregularities exist in elections, regularly preventing them from being fair and free. These nations commonly have governments that apply pressure on political opponents, non-independent judiciaries, widespread corruption, harassment and pressure placed on the media, anemic[vague] rule of law, and more pronounced faults than flawed democracies in the realms of underdeveloped political culture, low levels of participation in politics, and issues in the functioning of governance.[6]

By definition US must be downgraded from Flawed Democracy to “hybrid regime” status. …aka Threatened Democracy.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:32:31am

re: #94 Archangelus

Further updates:

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Alarms went off in 32 towns and cities across the Sharon central region at ~5:15AM; an early and terrifying wake-up call for nearly half a million people.
And then there’s the boom. Can’t forget the boom. I sure heard it loud and clear, and it hit at a distance.

Edit: and it wasn’t at as much a distance as it might have seemed, as according on latest report, the ambulances I heard/saw earlier were the ones bringing the folks hurt in the rocket attack to my city’s hospital.
Be advised that the reports aren’t consistent as to where the Rocket actually hit - at least 3 different towns have been cited so far

This is a direct result of Trump’s Golan proclamation. Fuck him & Bibi with a chainsaw.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:37:26am

Morning!

Believe it or not, Gym Jordan is running a commercial here in Ohio touting how he stood up to protect Trump and Make America Great Again.

All hail Gym Jordan. Asshole supreme.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:53:21am

So, the Republi-crooks have lowered the “Barr” to find that Trump is a Useful Idiot rather than a Knowing Agent. Congratulations, traitors.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:56:54am

A lively rendition of Desafinado.

Desafinado | Paula Morelenbaum, Jaques Morelenbaum e Nelson Faria

Tudo bem feito.

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MsJ  Mar 25, 2019 • 6:57:14am

re: #121 Man, DangerMan

From EV dot com.

This made me LOL (sitting in the doctor’s office… Embarrassing).

Manafort May Be Trying to Salvage Some of his Forfeited Money
In addition to the 7.5 years of prison former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort got for bank fraud and various other crimes, he also forfeited $11 million to the federal government. Ever the wheeler-dealer, Manafort may have come up with a scheme to hang onto some of the cash, despite the forfeiture.

The core idea here is that if Manafort had valid debts outstanding, they will be paid out of the forfeited funds, to prevent the creditors from being punished for crimes they didn’t commit. A mysterious shell company, Woodlawn LLC, with unknown owners, is claiming in court that Manafort owes it $1 million on a mortgage and wants to be paid out of the forfeited funds. Prosecutors suspect Manafort may own Woodlawn, so if they pay the company, Manafort would de facto get to keep the money.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:05:27am

Hm. This is interesting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:13:01am

Reuters presents a stunning, patriotic picture of Donald Trump’s ass as he shows it to the American people.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:35:53am

re: #29 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Gowdy too?

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danarchy  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:43:36am

So Apple is launching their streaming tv service today. So now we have:

Netflix
Hulu
Amazon Prime
CBS All Access
Disney
Apple
Britbox
All of the premium channels(HBO,Showtime,Starz,Epix)

Pretty soon we are going to need some sort of umbrella service to bundle all of these together…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:44:17am

re: #146 makeitstop

Hm. This is interesting.

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Shropshire Slasher  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:45:57am

re: #149 danarchy

As much as everything changes, as much as it stays the same.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:46:10am

re: #149 danarchy

So Apple is launching their streaming tv service today. So now we have:

Netflix
Hulu
Amazon Prime
CBS All Access
Disney
Apple
Britbox
All of the premium channels(HBO,Showtime,Starz,Epix)

Pretty soon we are going to need some sort of umbrella service to bundle all of these together…

Which is known as…. cable (to string together all these individual services).

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:47:08am

re: #149 danarchy

Pretty soon we are going to need some sort of umbrella service to bundle all of these together…

Nope. I hope that is a non-sarc-tagged post.

Pick and choose; I want to curate my own grouping of services. Cull the under-performers and overpriced for what you watch.

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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:53:29am

re: #98 Belafon

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Her follow-up:

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:54:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Mueller’s report was delivered to the AG, and the AG issued a terse summation, which should satisfy absolutely no one.

It’s all political theater now from Barr and the Admin, because the actual record of indictments and actions suggests something entirely different from what Barr and Trump claim.

The only way to know for sure is to get the entire report. As I’ve been posting on Twitter, Mueller may have had enough to make the case for obstruction or indicting Trump, but couldn’t due to the DOJ memo and therefore his conclusions may reflect this - and the precise wording matters (that’s what the legal folks do). Barr is pushing a political agenda here, and he doesn’t have clean hands by any stretch.

All the people claiming vindication - from Trump to Hannity to Hume, and other right wingers, all seem to ignore that Mueller got 37 indictments, a bunch of convictions/plea deals, and that includes Trump’s campaign manager, his first NSA, another campaign manager, a foreign policy adviser, and host of Russians.

That doesn’t even get into Trump and Cohen (where he’s an unindicted coconspirator).

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Dr. Matt  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:56:39am

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 7:59:19am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:01:11am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:02:23am

re: #155 lawhawk

It’s not really “out” until we can read it, post it and or Page it for ourselves. Someone said to me that won’t help because I’m not a Gov law lawyer. My slightly profane response was I dont need a veterinarian to feed and house my cats. IOW if it’s in English we can cope even if it takes a bit of effort to learn a few things.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:03:31am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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plansbandc  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:03:58am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:05:08am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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sagehen  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:05:42am

re: #155 lawhawk

All the people claiming vindication - from Trump to Hannity to Hume, and other right wingers, all seem to ignore that Mueller got 37 indictments, a bunch of convictions/plea deals, and that includes Trump’s campaign manager, his first NSA, another campaign manager, a foreign policy adviser, and host of Russians.

That doesn’t even get into Trump and Cohen (where he’s an unindicted coconspirator).

Ari Melber’s new obsession is trying to get his audience to imagine:

what if everything the Mueller investigation has done to date, all the indictments, the plea deals, the cases handed off to other offices…. what if all that had been dropped in one lump. Today. All of it at once.

The reactions we’d be seeing to something like that.

Ari’s got a point. We’ve become numb.

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:10:51am

re: #163 sagehen

Hypocrisy writ mass of Jupiter large. Just put all that lock her up and Obama hate up in comparison to how the GOP looks at Trump.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:12:07am

Motherfucker. Father of Sandy Hook victim Avielle Richman found dead at Edmond Town Hall after apparent suicide

Three mass-shooting related suicides in the past week.

If I was in proximity, Alex Jones would be in intensive care right now.

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William Lewis  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:14:17am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:14:39am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:19:48am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:27:13am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:40:22am
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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:45:10am

MY G-D NOT AGAIN

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:54:36am

re: #149 danarchy

So Apple is launching their streaming tv service today. So now we have:

Netflix
Hulu
Amazon Prime
CBS All Access
Disney
Apple
Britbox
All of the premium channels(HBO,Showtime,Starz,Epix)

Pretty soon we are going to need some sort of umbrella service to bundle all of these together…

Is it going to be like those you list or is it going to be more like YouTube TV, Directv Now, Sling and others that are complete TV providers?

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wrenchwench  Mar 25, 2019 • 8:58:00am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

MY G-D NOT AGAIN

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Huge public traumas can get poked and repoked on a daily basis. and even the word for that can be one of them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:00:51am

moron is watching tv

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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:00:55am

re: #174 wrenchwench

Huge public traumas can get poked and repoked on a daily basis. and even the word for that can be one of them.

The obvious conclusion is that the New Zealand massacre served as a (no horrid pun intended) trigger - I believe it wasn’t just that, but the agonizing contrast between Jacinda Ardern’s response and that of America’s sorry excuse for a government.

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wrenchwench  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:08:17am

re: #176 Interesting Times

The obvious conclusion is that the New Zealand massacre served as a (no horrid pun intended) trigger - I believe it wasn’t just that, but the agonizing contrast between Jacinda Ardern’s response and that of America’s sorry excuse for a government.

The Parkland survivors’ suicides were the first thing I thought of. To a lot of people, they showed a way out. We must take extra care of those people (which means take care of everybody; we have each been witness to trauma at some level) at this time. No conclusions are obvious, even when there’s a note.

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Skip Intro  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:13:20am

re: #152 lawhawk

I’m waiting for Apple stock to tick up so I can short it.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:17:03am

re: #172 The Vicious Babushka

MY G-D NOT AGAIN

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Damn. And now his wife is left without both of them. So sad, I hope she has a ton of support because she is going to need it.

You know, I wonder with all of the shootings of the past three years, how can anyone that works in a gun manufacturing company go into work and crank out AR style rifles and even some other guns without this all weighing on them?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:18:33am

Ever had one of those days where you just fucking hate everybody?

I’m almost there and it’s not even noon.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:21:01am

re: #179 ObserverArt

You know, I wonder with all of the shootings of the past three years, how can anyone that works in a gun manufacturing company go into work and crank out AR style rifles and even some other guns without this all weighing on them?

I recall a quote, I think from a movie that went something like: “We just did the work. We didn’t think about how the product would be used.”

Unfortunately, the source escapes me at the moment but there are people out there who can totally compartmentalize things like that.

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wrenchwench  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:27:10am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

I recall a quote, I think from a movie that went something like: “We just did the work. We didn’t think about how the product would be used.”

Unfortunately, the source escapes me at the moment but there are people out there who can totally compartmentalize things like that.

Compartmentalizing is a human trait. Look at you, for example.

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

Ever had one of those days where you just fucking hate everybody?

I’m almost there and it’s not even noon.

Yet, here you are typing civilly with lizards. I know, lizards are better than ‘everybody’, but that has some compartmentalizing in it, too. Maybe.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:29:02am

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is watching tv

Or, Monday.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:29:15am

Gloating…that is what I call it.

Iframe

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:29:39am

re: #184 ObserverArt

Gloating…that is what I call it.

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And we haven’t even seen the actual report.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:34:05am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:34:17am

…..Lead us not into transmission, but deliver us from axle……

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:34:29am

re: #155 lawhawk

Mueller’s report was delivered to the AG, and the AG issued a terse summation, which should satisfy absolutely no one.

Exactly.

The TT meeting still happened.

The WL hack of the DNC still happened, encouraged by Orange Face.

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sagehen  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:43:03am

re: #181 Eclectic Cyborg

I recall a quote, I think from a movie that went something like: “We just did the work. We didn’t think about how the product would be used.”

Unfortunately, the source escapes me at the moment but there are people out there who can totally compartmentalize things like that.

One of the Jurassic Park movies?

(and was it a true quote, or just a Tom Lehrer made up line, that “Once the rockets are up, who cares where they come down? That’s not my department” say Wernher von Braun)

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John Vreeland  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:43:16am

I suggested calling my band “Fredo and the Traitor Tots,” but nobody else thought it was funny. Anyway, people would assume I was Fredo, so probably not a good idea. We’ll probably just settle for something at the last possible moment, after lowering our standards and being forced to reconsider all our previously rejected ideas. This could be bad.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:46:08am

Just saw a link to Lindsey Graham discussing the Mueller report which must have been live late this morning.

He is bringing up Clinton’s impeachment and how the Republicans went too far and paid for it in elections. He cautions the Democrats that any further digging on all of this is going to cost the Democrats in a similar manner.

Here is a YouTube video of it if interested.

WATCH LIVE: Senate Judiciary Committee Chair Lindsey Graham to discuss Mueller report

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:53:30am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Just saw a link to Lindsey Graham discussing the Mueller report which must have been live late this morning.

He is bringing up Clinton’s impeachment and how the Republicans went too far and paid for it in elections. He cautions the Democrats that any further digging on all of this is going to cost the Democrats in a similar manner.

Here is a YouTube video of it if interested.

Audience of (Individual) One. Fuck that guy.

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Alephnaught  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:55:25am
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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:55:51am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Just saw a link to Lindsey Graham discussing the Mueller report which must have been live late this morning.

He is bringing up Clinton’s impeachment and how the Republicans went too far and paid for it in elections. He cautions the Democrats that any further digging on all of this is going to cost the Democrats in a similar manner.

Here is a YouTube video of it if interested.

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In the same breath he basically threatened to re-litigate every Clinton conspiracy theory in the GOP quiver. So, you know, the same general hypocrisy that they never pay a goddamn dime or vote for.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:58:40am

After rockets were fired into Israel earlier today, Israel has launched reprisal raids against targets across Gaza.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 9:59:37am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Just saw a link to Lindsey Graham discussing the Mueller report which must have been live late this morning.

He is bringing up Clinton’s impeachment and how the Republicans went too far and paid for it in elections. He cautions the Democrats that any further digging on all of this is going to cost the Democrats in a similar manner.

Here is a YouTube video of it if interested.

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The problem with comparing it to Clinton is that the Clinton investigation started with looking at Whitewater and ending with exposing an affair. The two had zero to do with each other and was obviously a fishing expidition to find something wrong. The Trump investigation started with Trump’s relationship with Russia and ends with Trump’s relationship with Russia.

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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:02:45am

TL;DR: exactly what we predicted they’d say -_-

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:03:37am

re: #193 Alephnaught

It’s getting genuinely chaotic. Here’s live coverage of the ongoing Brexit trainwreck:

theguardian.com

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:04:10am

re: #191 ObserverArt

Just saw a link to Lindsey Graham discussing the Mueller report which must have been live late this morning.

He is bringing up Clinton’s impeachment and how the Republicans went too far and paid for it in elections. He cautions the Democrats that any further digging on all of this is going to cost the Democrats in a similar manner.

Here is a YouTube video of it if interested.

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Ha. Ha. Ha. Bring it, brothers and sisters.

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:06:01am

re: #194 Citizen K

In the same breath he basically threatened to re-litigate every Clinton conspiracy theory in the GOP quiver. So, you know, the same general hypocrisy that they never pay a goddamn dime or vote for.

See #199.

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:07:14am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

And the Republicans were going to hold the House in 2018.

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DodgerFan1988  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:07:59am
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Stanley Sea  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:10:27am

David Fahrenthold has been quiet for 20 hrs.

Hoping he received something in the WaPo private box & they are now huddled with attorneys going over the publishing.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:11:57am

Michael Avenatti to be charged with wire and bank fraud in alleged shakedown of Nike, federal prosecutors say

Celebrity lawyer Michael Avenattii is being charged with wire and bank fraud for an alleged effort to extort Nike, federal authorities said Monday.

A press conference is scheduled to discuss the charges against Avenatti in Los Angeles on Monday afternoon.

Avenatti had represented porn star Stormy Daniels in her lawsuit against President Donald Trump and his former lawyer Michael Cohen.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:14:08am

re: #204 Amory Blaine

Pass the popcorn

All the people think Avenetti was the solution are now cutting and running. All the people warning on him are being proven correct.

And the reality is everyone involved in Trumpworld in some fashion suck (inferences entirely intended).

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A hollow voice says, Collusion!  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:16:16am

re: #168 Backwoods_Sleuth

I trust we all know this is propaganda for internal consumption.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:17:09am
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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:17:32am
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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:21:16am

With all the crap surrounding the shoe companies and their influence in college sports Nike vs. Avenatti is just more Trump vs. Cohen.

There may be no good guy on either side.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:24:01am

re: #209 ObserverArt

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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:24:14am
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Belafon  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:24:58am

Imagine this guy being your backup:

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:26:23am
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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:29:58am

re: #213 makeitstop

“Donald Trump, we are truly sorry that Mueller indicated that he wasn’t going issue conclusion as to whether the interactions with the Russians you lied about amount to criminal conspiracy.”

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:31:52am

re: #139 Man, DangerMan

Trump Presidency is avoiding indictment by an agency, DOJ, that has an official policy of not indicting sitting Presidents, on the basis of a decision by his handpicked AG who argued months ago that Trump had done nothing wrong

There’s a sense of just how pathetic the Trump Presidency is.

Pathetic, not even pyrrhic

to follow up on this

trump hires Barr
Barr writes letter
now trump will incessantly quote letter as ‘proof’

he might as well have written it himself

the Barr letter is not the Mueller report

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:33:34am

re: #182 wrenchwench

Compartmentalizing is a human trait. Look at you, for example.

Yet, here you are typing civilly with lizards. I know, lizards are better than ‘everybody’, but that has some compartmentalizing in it, too. Maybe.

Guilty as charged. I am what I am. However, I do tend to think about the consequences of my actions a lot. If I sold a gun to someone, I would naturally be concerned about what said person was planning to do with it.

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:33:51am

Avenetti is fooked (legal term). Why? There are tapes.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:36:37am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:37:50am

This Avenatti thing does not surprise me at all.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:45:16am

re: #219 Eclectic Cyborg

This Avenatti thing does not surprise me at all.

And federal prosecutors in LA are going to announce similar (but separate) charges against him this afternoon.

He’s gonna be in a world of hurt.

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:54:03am

Saw this bit this morning. If anyone thinks Nicole Wallace was a never-Trumper ready to go back into being a full-on Republican once things cleared a bit, she seems as or more upset by Mueller’s lack of conclusion than some of the members here.

She basically is calling Mueller out for wimping out.

Iframe

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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:56:32am

He’s not wrong:

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 10:59:12am

Has President McGrumpy Face started yelling at John McCain yet?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:01:15am
“Let it come out, let people see it,” Trump told reporters Wednesday. “Let’s see whether or not it’s legit.”

paraphrased from QB VII:

I repeat again that the President cried aloud on television for this specific report to be released to the public so that he might prove his innocence.

Well, let him prove it now.

it’s his DOJ

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:01:52am

The Colored Pencils Guitar Guy is back. This time he built a Telecaster out of styrofoam.

I Built The World’s Lightest Guitar Out of Styrofoam

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:03:12am

re: #225 makeitstop

Meant to be used for soft rock, I take it?

//

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lawhawk  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:05:42am

Trump/Pence are touting that Trump proclaimed that the US backs Israeli sovereignty over the Golan.

Wonderful. Let’s study this a bit closer, shall we?

1) Israel captured in 1967. UN SCR 242/338 etc all indicate final status of the (ed: this is not in all translated versions of the SCRs) lands captured in the war will be determined by the parties. The US has considered itself to be the honest broker/mediator between parties to get to a deal.

Trump ends that.

What does the US get in return for making this position public? Does this improve our security? Does it improve our connections to other nations in the region besides Israel, with whom we already have a close relationship (going back to 1973)?

2) Trump just put a bullseye on the back of the US (more than usual). He’s giving Bibi a talking point to crow about, but doesn’t improve our national security with this move. He’s just made it more dangerous for Americans in the region.

3) Israel long treated the Golan as its own, and Israel is generally safer being in control of the high ground than when Syria used it to regularly bombard Israel before the war in 1967. Syria’s in less position to act against Israel directly, but Hizbullah remains a threat with thousands of missiles that it could fire at Israel.

4) Some group in Gaza decided to lob rockets into Israel and the IDF decided to respond against Hamas and others. Hamas and Gaza remains a threat, even if Syria’s Assad is still busy trying to engage in democide and rid his country of anyone who thinks of toppling him. IS continues to be a threat - regardless of what Trump says - and they’re not tied to territory, which makes it more difficult to track.

5) There’s no actual strategy here other than get some talking points and brownie points among the pro-Israel set, even though this does damage our national security. There’s nothing strategic or tactical to gain by Trump’s decision for the US natsec position.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:08:08am

If this video is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

Carpool Karaoke On The Road Again w Snoop Dogg & Facebook

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:23:24am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

GOCUlU1jqqoO3zwdJQsCAwAV72miT1ctu0u+krk4MK+DDq6OILq/kGgtDOtKXH+0mlIXnpiMNcjg2EoTEWSY0aT7a4vDunn5TGTTDuBHfwAVHf9JYLopi94McTC7sfzwnZY88udQxzund4Ue6Gma9i1n/KXrMGMe

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:27:43am

barf

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:29:07am

oh

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:30:18am

re: #231 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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In other words, he can’t stand the heat so he’s getting out of the kitchen?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:31:07am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:31:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:32:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:33:50am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:35:40am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:37:04am

I’ll admit it…I laughed

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:38:26am

re: #235 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Every Republican BUT Trump himself is a willing agent…..”

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:44:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:45:44am

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:45:51am

Trump is Still Guilty of Treachery

motherjones via politicalwire.com (bold and itals mine)

David Corn: “Barr’s note is clear that Mueller did not uncover evidence Trump and his gang were in direct cahoots with Russia’s covert operation to interfere with the US election and boost Trump’s odds. But the hyper-focus on this sort of collusion—as if Trump instructed Russian hackers on how to penetrate the computer network of the Democratic National Committee—has always diverted attention from a basic and important element of the scandal that was proven long before Mueller drafted his final report: Trump and his lieutenants interacted with Russia while Putin was attacking the 2016 election and provided encouraging signals to the Kremlin as it sought to subvert American democracy. They aided and abetted Moscow’s attempt to cover up its assault on the United States (which aimed to help Trump win the White House). And they lied about all this.”

“And, yes, there were instances of collusion—not on the specifics of the attack, but secret scheming between Trumpworld and Russia.”

“None of the evidence underlying this is in dispute. No matter what Mueller report contains, a harsh verdict remains: Trump and his gang betrayed the United States in the greatest scandal in American history.”

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sagehen  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:46:30am

re: #234 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:48:35am

re: #241 Backwoods_Sleuth

GOOD FUCKING GRIEF

“The president and his allies see a chance to reconnect with voters. But first they want payback for Mueller mania.”

so presidential

and ps - ‘mueller mania’ is far from over.
this is the beginning of scene II of Das Rheingold

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:50:03am

I fear we’ll never win this battle as long as the media insists on using kid gloves when it comes to Trump and the GOP.

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:53:39am
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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:53:43am

Well my long time friends I must admit this is damn depressing. At least momentarily discouraging. Not Unshaken at this time.

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:56:28am

Nate with a pretty trash take

EDIT: This is part of a thread taking Greenwald to task for acting like Avenatti is representative of the Dem field as it is, but it also makes his concluding ‘Meta-Comment’ even more inexplicable.

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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2019 • 11:58:31am
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sagehen  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:01:29pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Remind me again how many Republicans accused President Obama of being an agent for Iran?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:01:41pm

re: #246 makeitstop

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:03:42pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

Thanks for that call out. Sure would be nice if some major media did the same.

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:03:43pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson


Sarah Sanders: “They literally accused the President of the United States of being an agent for a foreign government. That’s equivalent to treason. Thats punishable by death in this country.”

Cannot that statement be interpreted to mean that the accusers were threatening the Trump with death? I certainly do that when talking to my brother: I’ll say that as a traitor, Trump deserves the same punishment as the Rosenbergs.

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Amory Blaine  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:03:52pm

A good piece from Rubin:

Democrats, here’s what to remember about Mueller

8. Taking impeachment out of the equation is a good thing for Democrats. It removes one possible source of division within the party. It also avoids the unappetizing prospect of impeaching a president whom the Senate will not remove.

I agree with this, there’s so much other crap going on around Trump that we can come together and focus on everything that makes him horrible.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:03:55pm
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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:07:02pm

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

Cannot that statement be interpreted to mean that the accusers were threatening the Trump with death? I certainly do that when talking to my brother: I’ll say that as a traitor, Trump deserves the same punishment as the Rosenbergs.

That’s I thought she meant as well, though the wording is craptastically ambiguous. Would have made far more sense like this:

Sarah Sanders: “They literally accused the President of the United States of being an agent for a foreign government. That’s which is equivalent to treason. Thats punishable by death in this country.”

(Unless, of course, in her usual gaslighting style, she MEANT it to be ambiguous).

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BeachDem  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:07:11pm

re: #248 Citizen K

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Nate with a pretty trash take

EDIT: This is part of a thread taking Greenwald to task for acting like Avenatti is representative of the Dem field as it is, but it also makes his concluding ‘Meta-Comment’ even more inexplicable.

I know many “out there” Dems (some are actually working on the Marianne Williamson “campaign” full time) but I do not know of a single one who thought Avenatti for President was an actual thing—and he was the keynote speaker at our County fundraiser. He sold a lot of tickets, but not one person left the room saying, “Yeah, he’s the candidate for me.”

Greenwald is so full of shit, his ears are brown.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:07:46pm

re: #248 Citizen K

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Nate with a pretty trash take

EDIT: This is part of a thread taking Greenwald to task for acting like Avenatti is representative of the Dem field as it is, but it also makes his concluding ‘Meta-Comment’ even more inexplicable.

wait… so avenatti is representative of all democrats.
wow whoda thunk it?

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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:08:46pm

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

Cannot that statement be interpreted to mean that the accusers were threatening the Trump with death? I certainly do that when talking to my brother: I’ll say that as a traitor, Trump deserves the same punishment as the Rosenbergs.

It’s Sarah Sammich. She gets precisely zero benefit of the doubt here.

Check her record. Every time there’s a choice between reasonable and vile, she goes straight to vile.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:09:16pm

re: #258 Man, DangerMan

wait… so avenatti is representative of all democrats.
wow whoda thunk it?

Those are the rules, dontcha know?

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ObserverArt  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:09:47pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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Charles, I have to disagree. She was saying to think about how accusing Trump of treason can be a charge that brings about the death penalty.

She was trying to amp up the Trump base by scaring them into thinking the Democrats were a couple steps away from wanting their Donny given a death penalty.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:11:26pm

re: #249 Charles Johnson

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i know what you meant, still it raises a point

is accusing someone equivalent to treason?
is criticizing someone equivalent to treason?

no in both cases

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:11:35pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

That’s I thought she meant as well, though the wording is craptastically ambiguous. Would have made far more sense like this:

(Unless, of course, in her usual gaslighting style, she MEANT it to be ambiguous).

I wonder why Team Trump suddenly thinks Mueller’s word is gold now. They’ve been tearing him and his 23 Angry Democrats apart for two years.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:12:13pm

re: #253 Hecuba’s daughter

Cannot that statement be interpreted to mean that the accusers were threatening the Trump with death? I certainly do that when talking to my brother: I’ll say that as a traitor, Trump deserves the same punishment as the Rosenbergs.

coming from her, one never knows

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retired cynic  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:13:39pm

Serious journalists should be proud of — not bullied over — their Russia reporting

WaPo, Margaret Sullivan

I reckon that reporting by The Washington Post, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, BuzzFeed, CNN, Bloomberg News, the Daily Beast, Mother Jones, ProPublica and others drove forward a national conversation that needed to happen. As Americans saw with their own eyes Trump’s bizarre efforts to ingratiate himself with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, that reporting mattered and provided context.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:13:40pm

re: #256 Interesting Times

That’s I thought she meant as well, though the wording is craptastically ambiguous. Would have made far more sense like this:

(Unless, of course, in her usual gaslighting style, she MEANT it to be ambiguous).

And if Mueller had said “Yeah Trump conspired/colluded with Russia totally and should be charged with Treason” Team Trump Sarah would have been “Oh yeah, you got us, we resign.”?

Nah.

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Eventual Carrion  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:13:58pm

re: #263 Sir John Barron

I wonder why Team Trump suddenly thinks Mueller’s word is gold now. They’ve been tearing him and his 23 Angry Democrats apart for two years.

Because they know it isn’t Mueller’s words bur Barr’s.

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Sir John Barron  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:15:06pm

re: #265 retired cynic

Serious journalists should be proud of — not bullied over — their Russia reporting

WaPo, Margaret Sullivan

We know plenty more of the shenanigans that went on now, even if the whole will probably be forever out of sight. The hacking happened. Junior met with Russians to “get dirt on Hillary” and DJT Lied out of his behind about the meeting being about “adoptions”, etc.

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sagehen  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:15:24pm
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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:16:37pm
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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:17:20pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

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Apparently the only people who should ever watch their language are the GOP’s critics.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:18:30pm

re: #254 Amory Blaine

A good piece from Rubin:

Democrats, here’s what to remember about Mueller

“8. Taking impeachment out of the equation is a good thing for Democrats. It removes one possible source of division within the party. It also avoids the unappetizing prospect of impeaching a president whom the Senate will not remove.”

I agree with this, there’s so much other crap going on around Trump that we can come together and focus on everything that makes him horrible.

im gonna say we gotta stop doing this - jumping to these conclusions with absolutely no basis
nothing has changed from friday to today
impeachment is no more out of the equation today than it was last week
-if/when compelling/bipartisan evidence comes to light
we just didnt get there from Barr’s summary of Mueller’s report
the 18+(?) investigations are just beginning

yes, we learned some things since Friday, and yet we don’t know very much more than we did before

take Barr’s letter with a barrel of salt.

Patience, Priscilla

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:20:35pm

re: #272 Man, DangerMan

im gonna say we gotta stop doing this - jumping to these conclusions with absolutely no basis
nothing has changed from friday to today
impeachment is no more out of the equation today than it was last week
-if/when compelling/bipartisan evidence comes to light
we just didnt get there from Barr’s summary of Mueller’s report
the 18+(?) investigations are just beginning

yes, we learned some things since Friday, and yet we don’t know very much more than we did before

take Barr’s letter with a barrel of salt.

Patience, Priscilla

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:21:46pm

re: #265 retired cynic

Serious journalists should be proud of — not bullied over — their Russia reporting

WaPo, Margaret Sullivan

Americans saw with their own eyes Trump’s bizarre efforts to ingratiate himself with Russian President Vladi­mir Putin, that reporting mattered and provided context.

yes. and that context is
1. he/they did it
2. mueller couldnt satisfactorily prove it, yet

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:25:14pm
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KGxvi  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:26:38pm

My two cents on the Mueller Report/Barr Summary, as an attorney:

Never trust a summary when you don’t have access to the thing it is summarizing.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:26:59pm

re: #243 sagehen

Nick Hanauer tried to warn them back in ‘14. The pitchforks are coming.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:29:19pm

re: #270 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

charles,

in poking around the net, many people read it that way

Somewhat OT, but … holy shit. Sarah Sanders seems to have just called for the death penalty against members of the media..

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:30:19pm

I think Charles was right. Because a President as an agent would be treason. A citizen is the equivalent afaik.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:31:35pm
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makeitstop  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:31:52pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

The Trump campaign is sending this memo to TV producers:

Man, the leak of Mueller’s report can’t come soon enough.

Someone’s gonna get killed because of this shit.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:32:54pm

this one’s fun:

- Republican Cruz campaign initiates dossier.
- Republican McCain somehow gets dossier.
- Republican Graham advises Republican McCain to give dossier to FBI.
- Republican Comey begins investigation.
- Republican Trump fires Republican Comey.
- Republcian Trump says he fired Republican Comey over “Russia thing.”
- Republican AG Sessions appointed by Republican Trump recuses self from probe.
- Republican Deputy AG, appointed by Republican Trump, tasks Republican Mueller with Special Counsel investigation.

How is this a “Dem plot” again?

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Charles Johnson  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:35:59pm
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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:37:05pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

And I’m sure the TV producers are going to follow this to the T and give in to every whim in this shockingly despotic letter.

…and I say that with as much bitter, resigned sincerity as possible. We’ve seen how many outlets are willing to drop trou and worship this fuck.

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Alephnaught  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:38:08pm

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

It’s getting genuinely chaotic. Here’s live coverage of the ongoing Brexit trainwreck:

theguardian.com

Interesting culture reference: the Twitter account name of that Tweet is a reference to the final moments of series 2 episode 5 of anarchic BBC2 sitcom “The Young Ones”. This episode was first broadcast in 1984.

The Young Ones - Oh Neil Neil!

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KGxvi  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:38:40pm

re: #277 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

So then, he’d be on board with outlawing dividend payouts?

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:40:59pm

CNN 2017

“Although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information,” Comey said in July.

so careless while not reaching the level of criminality

if there’s a parallel in this case, i’d go for ‘reckless’ not careless

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Unshaken Defiance  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:48:20pm

re: #287 Man, DangerMan

What’s App with that? //

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Eclectic Cyborg  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:49:27pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

JFC.

That may be the most fucking hypocritical thing I’ve ever seen.

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retired cynic  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:49:30pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

Those Bastards!

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 12:52:31pm

re: #289 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

That may be the most fucking hypocritical thing I’ve ever seen.

In other words, par for the course for these fucks. And again, the networks will probably go right along with it, because they want to appease their Golden God.

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Dr Lizardo  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:05:15pm

re: #285 Alephnaught

Interesting culture reference: the Twitter account name of that Tweet is a reference to the final moments of series 2 episode 5 of anarchic BBC2 sitcom “The Young Ones”. This episode was first broadcast in 1984.

[Embedded content]

Interesting. I had no idea.

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KGxvi  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:06:56pm

re: #287 Man, DangerMan

CNN 2017

so careless while not reaching the level of criminality

if there’s a parallel in this case, i’d go for ‘reckless’ not careless

Legally, “reckless” is basically the same as intentional. “Reckless disregard” basically means deliberately and unjustifiably taking a course of action while consciously disregarding any risks flowing from such action. The law does not look favorably upon those who act recklessly.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:10:23pm

So when does Trump start pardoning everyone?

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:14:04pm

re: #156 Dr. Matt

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Citizen K  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:20:51pm

It’s almost like the Times just doesn’t give a fuck and is being openly beholden to oligarchic ratfuckery.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:26:49pm
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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:31:31pm

re: #294 GlutenFreeJesus

So when does Trump start pardoning everyone?

Here’s how it’s going to play out:

1. Trump starts up the “let’s prosecute Hillary and Obama” thing with Republican Congress assholes who let him fan it up to plasma levels with Tweets, “investigations” and panels and then the Congress assholes inform him of actually prosecuting in a legal manner would mean entering the Discovery phase.

2. Trump’s army of lawyers straps on his insane asylum jacket then informs him that any legal recourse ends there as no Republican on the Hill wants any of the evidence released to the public for reasons. many many reasons.

3. Trump then Pardons his “great guys” under the toddler -esque pretense of “if Democrats can get away with crimes we can too.”

4. Trump’s cult of White Supremacist voters (35% of the country, 65% of white people, 55% of white women, and over 75% of white men) give him a pass at worst. The percentage amongst this demographic will be about evenly split between those that hold some semblance of doubt with the decision to Pardon, and those that enthusiastically support it to further the cause of White Entitlement.

5. The USA’s decline from fully-fledged Western Democracy to a Hybrid Regime “competitive authoritairan” status is complete putting us on the same world standing as Albania or El Salvador.

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Man, DangerMan  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:32:44pm

re: #293 KGxvi

Legally, “reckless” is basically the same as intentional. “Reckless disregard” basically means deliberately and unjustifiably taking a course of action while consciously disregarding any risks flowing from such action. The law does not look favorably upon those who act recklessly.

sometimes i choose my words carefully
sometimes im lucky

in this case, i aint sayin…

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Hecuba's daughter  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:47:15pm

re: #283 Charles Johnson

By the way, maybe this context for Sarah Sanders’ statement about the death penalty is also relevant?

Charles, I think that I was probably mistaken and you were correct in your initial response to her comments. Of course, it’s not as though Sarah is a wordsmith so her intentions are unclear. But this context would support the most dire interpretation of her words.

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Interesting Times  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:49:20pm

re: #300 Hecuba’s daughter

Charles, I think that I was probably mistaken and you were correct in your initial response to her comments. Of course, it’s not as though Sarah is a wordsmith so her intentions are unclear. But this context would support the most dire interpretation of her words.

She pulled the classic “plausible deniability” trick - deliberately worded it in a manner that could be interpreted both ways, so if anyone calls her on it as Charles did, she can claim she meant the other version all the while doing the wink-wink-nod to stochastic terrorists in waiting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:49:21pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 1:58:55pm

“The world is indeed full of peril and in it there are many dark places”.

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings (The Lord of the Rings, #1-3)

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Mike Lamb  Mar 25, 2019 • 2:02:07pm

It will maddening, if not predictable, when Trump supporters on the various news shows toe the company line of “Totally Exonerated”, despite Barr quoting from the Muller report that he wasn’t, in any way, let off the hook.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Mar 25, 2019 • 2:03:06pm

British Airways flight mistakenly lands in Scotland instead of Germany

\

Passengers on a British Airways flight from London’s City Airport to Dusseldorf in Germany were met with a surprise Monday morning when their plane touched down — in the Scottish capital, Edinburgh.
The error was down to an incorrectly filed flight plan, leading both the pilot and cabin crew to believe the flight was bound for Edinburgh.
The flight was operated by German leasing company WDL Aviation on behalf of the British Airways subsidiary airline BA CityFlyer. The incorrect flight plan was filed at WDL Aviation’s offices in Germany.

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VaughnIAM  Mar 25, 2019 • 2:26:58pm

re: #287 Man, DangerMan

Apparently you are one of the millions of people that don’t know that Comey admitted
to Elijah Cummings that not a one of those emails was designated as classified.
2 days after his announcement of no prosecution the GOP hauled his ass into a hearing
to explain himself.

Elijah Cummings
DIRECTOR, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. I WANT TO CLEAR UP SOME THINGS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT YOU TESTIFIED TO ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER SECRETARY CLINTON SENT OR RECEIVED E-MAILS THAT WERE MARKED AS CLASSIFIED. ON TUESDAY YOU STATED ONLY A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF THE E-MAILS CONTAINING CLASSIFIED INFORMATION OR MARKINGS, I EMPHASIZE OR MARKINGS, INDICATING PRESENCE OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION. REPUBLICANS HAVE POUNCED ON THIS STATEMENT AS EVIDENCE THAT SECRETARY CLINTON LIED. BUT TODAY WE LEARNED SOME SIGNIFICANT NEW FACTS. I HOPE THE PRESS LISTENS TO THIS. FIRST, YOU CLARIFY THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT ONLY THREE E-MAILS OUT OF 30,000. YOUR OFFICE REVIEWED. IS THAT RIGHT? THREE, YES. 3 OUT OF 30,000, IS THAT RIGHT? YES. AT LEAST 30,000. AT LEAST 30,000. SECOND, YOU CONFIRM THAT THESE THREE E-MAILS WERE NOT PROPERLY MARKED AS CLASSIFIED AT THE TIME BASED ON FEDERAL GUIDELINES AND MANUALS. THEY DID NOT HAVE A CLASSIFICATION HEADERS. THEY DID NOT LIST THE ORIGINAL CLASSIFIER, THE AGENCY, OFFICE OF ORIGIN, REASON FOR CLASSIFICATION OR DATE FOR DE-CLASSIFICATION. THESE E-MAILS INCLUDED ONLY A SINGLE QUOTE, C AND THEN END OF QUOTATION MARK FOR CONFIDENTIAL ONE PARAGRAPH LOWER DOWN IN THE TEXT, IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. THIRD, YOU TESTIFIED THAT BASED ON THESE FACTS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A, QUOTE, REASONABLE INFERENCE FOR SECRETARY CLINTON TO, QUOTE, IMMEDIATELY CONCLUDE THAT THE E-MAILS WERE NOT CLASSIFIED. SO THAT WAS ALSO CRITICAL NEW INFORMATION. BUT THERE IS ONE MORE CRITICAL FACT THAT THESE E-MAILS WERE NOT — TO THE PRESS THESE E-MAILS WERE NOT CLASSIFIED. THE STATE DEPARTMENT EXPLAINED TO US YESTERDAY THEY REPORTED THAT THESE E-MAILS ARE NOT CLASSIFIED AND THAT INCLUDING THIS LITTLE C ON THESE E-MAILS WAS RESULT OF HUMAN ERROR. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THOSE LITTLE Cs SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ON THOSE DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT, IN FACT, CLASSIFIED.


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