Samantha Bee vs. The Very Bad, No Good Anti-Vaccination Movement [VIDEO]

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1
Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:40:58pm

CL’ed….
Double sad’s here:

Sugar Ray’s Marc McGrath reveals he is going deaf: ‘It’s scary because my job is hearing’

“It’s funny, I got into music and rock ‘n’ roll not to worry about any of this, business, mindsets, health,” he said. “I wanted to party; I’m in a band; that’s what you do. And then life catches up to you and reality happens and by the grace of God we became a band. Also, I found myself running a multi-million dollar corporation.”

He compared his plight to that of the 68-year-old rocker Huey Lewis, who canceled all his previously-scheduled tour dates last year after being diagnosed with Meniere’s disease, an inner-ear disorder that left him unable to hear music well enough to sing.

“The whole Huey Lewis thing has been a warning for all of this for sure,” McGrath said.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:43:59pm

re: #1 Eric The Fruit Bat

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:52:42pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:54:00pm

My anti-vaxxer cousins have 13 kids between 3 families. All dangerous. They are not around my sons.

Thing is, they’re not stupid or gullible. They’re arrogant and deluded about their average intelligence.

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A dark and stormy covfefe  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:56:56pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:58:27pm

Goofing around in Photoshop again and adding to my political poster series. I do these for therapy.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2019 • 1:59:41pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:01:12pm

re: #4 BlueGrl21

My anti-vaxxer cousins have 13 kids between 3 families. All dangerous. They are not around my sons.

Thing is, they’re not stupid or gullible. They’re arrogant and deluded about their average intelligence.

Being arrogant doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer. It sounds like they are either very susceptible to propaganda or they are not too bright.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:08:30pm

re: #8 Hecuba’s daughter

Being arrogant doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer. It sounds like they are either very susceptible to propaganda or they are not too bright.

No. :)

Two things in conflict: their general intelligence and their religious beliefs. Two of them have master’s degrees and all three are reasonably bright. But this is wrapped up in religious belief. Their church pushes those beliefs. Trump pushes those beliefs. They follow.

They have also always been people who think they get everything about how the world works. They think they are special. Part of this is also about having a view they think is a revelation that only a select few understand. Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

They’re pretty insufferable.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:09:14pm

re: #8 Hecuba’s daughter

Being arrogant doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer. It sounds like they are either very susceptible to propaganda or they are not too bright.

I think BlueGrl21is saying the arrogance is making them think they are smarter than they are; too full of themselves to understand their lack of knowledge on a subject like vaccinations.

Sometimes also considered being ‘thick.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:09:57pm

We were attending a baby swimming class. Part of the instruction was to dunk the kids’ heads underwater. One mother just couldn’t bring herself to do it, she felt that she was somehow “hurting” her child…I think that is also part of the mentality of some anti-vaxxers…too insecure to do something that will help their child survive in the long run…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:09:59pm

re: #5 A dark and stormy covfefe

That little girl has been dipping into mom’s laudanum supply. Bad girl.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:10:10pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

No. :)

Two things in conflict: their general intelligence and their religious beliefs. Two of them have master’s degrees and all three are reasonably bright. But this is wrapped up in religious belief. Their church pushes those beliefs. Trump pushes those beliefs. They follow.

They have also always been people who think they get everything about how the world works. They think they are special. Part of this is also about having a view they think is a revelation that only a select few understand. Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

They’re pretty insufferable.

Sounds like my Jesusbot family.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:11:56pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:16:05pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

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Let me guess.

This time he fucks up Texas.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:20:10pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

No. :)

Two things in conflict: their general intelligence and their religious beliefs. Two of them have master’s degrees and all three are reasonably bright. But this is wrapped up in religious belief. Their church pushes those beliefs. Trump pushes those beliefs. They follow.

They have also always been people who think they get everything about how the world works. They think they are special. Part of this is also about having a view they think is a revelation that only a select few understand. Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

They’re pretty insufferable.

After thinking further — They may be like James Woods who, unlike Trump, actually has a high IQ (his SAT score was 1580). Some of those with high IQs mistakenly think that makes them expert on everything and guarantees that their judgment is superior to those with lower scores.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:21:39pm

re: #8 Hecuba’s daughter

Being arrogant doesn’t make you an anti-vaxxer. It sounds like they are either very susceptible to propaganda or they are not too bright.

I definitely think there’s a strong component of arrogance in almost all anti-vax sentiment, and in most contrarian mindsets and conspiracy culture generally. These people get off on the idea that they’re smarter than legions of subject matter experts, who they either feel are elitist and look down on them or are part of a vast sinister medical industrial complex conspiracy. So yeah, for the most part they’re not too bright (or have a very narrow kind of savant like intelligence) but they fall in to this trap because they have a complex about not being bright and this arrogation of expertise they have not earned becomes their coping mechanism.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:28:59pm

here’s an interesting explanation of Barr’s behavior and the “sources close to the investigation” leak from Dkos

Barr On the Edge of Obstruction: Fallout from the Shot Across His Bow

a lot of speculation to be sure
maybe glimmers of who’s really driving this
(and it’s not Barr, and Mueller’s not gone into retirement yet)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:29:18pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

Actually, there’s a way to explain this in the storyline: The Terminators are cybernetic organisms i.e. human flesh over a metal endoskeleton. It’s long been established in the series that future generations of Terminators are becoming more and more lifelike so as to become completely indistinguishable from humans in appearance, behavior, etc.

Evidently, the aged appearance could be a result of programming for some certain mission (maybe it was a long term mission and aging was added to allow the machine to blend in more easily as time passed) or could be a tactical choice i.e. nobody expects an old grey haired guy to be able to crush them like a tin can.

It is, I admit, a bit of a stretch, but fortunately the Terminator universe is one in which something like this can be explained away without getting too ridiculous.

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William Lewis  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:35:33pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

You could say, perhaps, to that. Would that then make you a sheep dog protecting your children/flock from the wolves of their pretense of a church?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:35:58pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually, there’s a way to explain this in the storyline: The Terminators are cybernetic organisms i.e. human flesh over a metal endoskeleton. It’s long been established in the series that future generations of Terminators are becoming more and more lifelike so as to become completely indistinguishable from humans in appearance, behavior, etc.

Evidently, the aged appearance could be a result of programming for some certain mission (maybe it was a long term mission and aging was added to allow the machine to blend in more easily as time passed) or could be a tactical choice i.e. nobody expects an old grey haired guy to be able to crush them like a tin can.

It is, I admit, a bit of a stretch, but fortunately the Terminator universe is one in which something like this can be explained away without getting too ridiculous.

Wasn’t the reason given in the last one he was in was that he was the military person that the Terminator disguise had been based and had aged since the template had been created? (Though why all Terminators would look like the same guy would be an obvious weakness - I presume that the Colonies in BSG eventually caught on that the Cylons were all following a limited set of templates.)

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:39:31pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

No. :)

Two things in conflict: their general intelligence and their religious beliefs. Two of them have master’s degrees and all three are reasonably bright. But this is wrapped up in religious belief. Their church pushes those beliefs. Trump pushes those beliefs. They follow.

They have also always been people who think they get everything about how the world works. They think they are special. Part of this is also about having a view they think is a revelation that only a select few understand. Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

They’re pretty insufferable.

this fits into a comment i made last thread regarding i dont care how you vote, i care how you decide how to vote.

when belief comes calling to take responsibility for decision making, i dont care how educated or smart a person thinks they are. i care what definition of “belief” they are using.

- belief that - an assertion of generally accepted objective universal truth - such that there can be one at all regarding whatever it is we’re talking about
- belief in - an assertion of faith where faith is belief without proof. this is by definition subjective, and the standards of evidence - in any other but a personally acceptable sense of the word - do not apply.

if your worldview is based on belief in things, that’s nice for you. Absolutely no one has to see it, agree with it, acknowledge it or follow it.

if your worldview is based on belief that, then you might just be asked to show your work so we can see if it stands up to scrutiny and therefore acceptance by the rest of us. because the cream rises.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:42:11pm

re: #16 Hecuba’s daughter

After thinking further — They may be like James Woods who, unlike Trump, actually has a high IQ (his SAT score was 1580). Some of those with high IQs mistakenly think that makes them expert on everything and guarantees that their judgment is superior to those with lower scores.

That is EXACTLY it.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:42:53pm
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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:52:28pm

re: #20 William Lewis

You could say, perhaps, to that. Would that then make you a sheep dog protecting your children/flock from the wolves of their pretense of a church?

They’re locked in. Have been forever. I’m hoping the kids can get away.

My oldest cousin and I have locked horns since we were 4 and 5 years old. She’s absolutely insufferable.

I was at a family reunion last year, talking to my uncle, who I am close to. She jumped in and started her vaccine soliloquy. I ignored her. Then she popped off with, “I can’t help it if you are too ignorant to see it.”

I looked at her and said, “Let’s get one thing straight right now. You are not smarter than me. You are maybe of average intelligence on a good day.” With as much scorn as I could muster.

She chose to leave the conversation.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2019 • 2:54:46pm

re: #24 gocart mozart

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:03:01pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

I definitely think there’s a strong component of arrogance in almost all anti-vax sentiment, and in most contrarian mindsets and conspiracy culture generally. These people get off on the idea that they’re smarter than legions of subject matter experts, who they either feel are elitist and look down on them or are part of a vast sinister medical industrial complex conspiracy. So yeah, for the most part they’re not too bright (or have a very narrow kind of savant like intelligence) but they fall in to this trap because they have a complex about not being bright and this arrogation of expertise they have not earned becomes their coping mechanism.

That gets a goddamned complete agreement from me frank.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:04:44pm

LOL

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Jay C  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:06:05pm

re: #25 BlueGrl21

They’re locked in. Have been forever. I’m hoping the kids can get away.

My oldest cousin and I have locked horns since we were 4 and 5 years old. She’s absolutely insufferable.

I was at a family reunion last year, talking to my uncle, who I am close to. She jumped in and started her vaccine soliloquy. I ignored her. Then she popped off with, “I can’t help it if you are too ignorant to see it.”

I looked at her and said, “Let’s get one thing straight right now. You are not smarter than me. You are maybe of average intelligence on a good day.” With as much scorn as I could muster.

She chose to leave the conversation.

“Smarter” isn’t the relevant point here: a measles virus, e.g., has no way of knowing (or caring) how “smart” you are, or think yourself to be: it lands in your body, it’s going to reproduce to the max unless you’ve got those antibodies. And it’s not all that “smart” to prefer getting those antibodies though a live virulent infection, vs. a relatively benign vaccine.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:16:03pm

re: #21 Feline Fearless Leader

Wasn’t the reason given in the last one he was in was that he was the military person that the Terminator disguise had been based and had aged since the template had been created? (Though why all Terminators would look like the same guy would be an obvious weakness - I presume that the Colonies in BSG eventually caught on that the Cylons were all following a limited set of templates.)

Yes, I actually did some research on this movie on my break just now and that’s Arnie playing the human the Terminator was modeled on. Apparently it’s going to be a direct sequel to T2 and Linda Hamilton is back. I’m kind of excited about this.

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:16:06pm

re: #7 lawhawk

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If this report is true, I don’t know how they could have been confused—this guy is 23 and the missing kid would be 14—or am I not reading this correctly.

(edited—one kid, not kids)

local12.com

Police say the “boy” found near W. Eighth and Columbia streets in Newport Wednesday is not Timmothy Pitzen, but a 23-year-old man from Medina, Ohio, named Brian Michael Rini.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:16:51pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:17:17pm

re: #14 gocart mozart

They talked about it in the previous one, since his skin is organic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:17:43pm

re: #31 BeachDem

If this report is true, I don’t know how they could have been confused—this guy is 23 and the missing kids would be 14—or am I not reading this correctly.

local12.com

Police say the “boy” found near W. Eighth and Columbia streets in Newport Wednesday is not Timmothy Pitzen, but a 23-year-old man from Medina, Ohio, named Brian Michael Rini.

No, you have the ages correct. Some people in their early 20s look young enough to pass as mid teens, but it seems this guy was just an attention whore with possible mental issues.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:20:57pm

Heh, Ari Mleber is talking about some reporting that says while there may not have been a criminal conspiracy on the part of Trump, it doesn’t rule out they could have been seen as usable dupes and played by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation.

Which would mean the Trumps had no idea they were being involved they just went along.

I don’t think stupidity will be a good defense.

Can anyone say Donny Jr., Ivanka and Jared along with others would be this stupid? I knew you could.

And weren’t we just talking about ignorance and arrogance?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:21:58pm

JFC

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:24:32pm

re: #36 The Vicious Babushka

JFC

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It’s Marc Thiessen. You expect anything better? It’s like having Sarah Sanders write an opinion piece.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:24:43pm

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

Actually, there’s a way to explain this in the storyline: The Terminators are cybernetic organisms i.e. human flesh over a metal endoskeleton. It’s long been established in the series that future generations of Terminators are becoming more and more lifelike so as to become completely indistinguishable from humans in appearance, behavior, etc.

Evidently, the aged appearance could be a result of programming for some certain mission (maybe it was a long term mission and aging was added to allow the machine to blend in more easily as time passed) or could be a tactical choice i.e. nobody expects an old grey haired guy to be able to crush them like a tin can.

It is, I admit, a bit of a stretch, but fortunately the Terminator universe is one in which something like this can be explained away without getting too ridiculous.

Well, we’re talking about time traveling cyborgs. Seems to me that grey hair and wrinkles is the least difficult thing to explain away.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:28:51pm
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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:29:27pm

re: #34 Eclectic Cyborg

No, you have the ages correct. Some people in their early 20s look young enough to mid teens, but it seems this guy was just an attention whore with possible mental issues.

Did you look at the picture? I can’t imagine anyone would take that guy for 14.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:31:22pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey hey….Goodbye!!

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garzooma  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:31:33pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

[…]
Which would mean the Trumps had no idea they were being involved they just went along.
[…]
Can anyone say Donny Jr., Ivanka and Jared along with others would be this stupid? I knew you could.
[…]

Manafort knew exactly what was going on.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:31:43pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

BREAKING: Wikileaks says Julian Assange will be expelled from embassy of Ecuador in London, which comes after the country accused him of violating asylum deal.

How many times have we heard that? I’ll believe it when I see it. If actually true, he’ll probably be on the first plane to Russia.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:33:17pm

re: #40 BeachDem

Did you look at the picture? I can’t imagine anyone would take that guy for 14.

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No I agree and I’m not saying this dude looked young, only that some people in their early 20s DO look a fair bit younger than they are.

This is a clear cut case of a guy looking for attention. I’m sure investigators knew he was full of shit the moment they saw him even though they had to do the DNA test anyway.

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garzooma  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:33:47pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

..[Embedded content]
HAPPENING NOW: Protesters gather outside the White House, calling for release of Mueller report. pscp.tv

Just got back from a protest on Boston Common.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:33:51pm

re: #43 Hecuba’s daughter

How many times have we heard that? I’ll believe it when I see it. If actually true, he’ll probably be on the first plane to Russia.

Yeah, I overlooked the right-up-front problem: ‘Wikileaks says…’

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:38:23pm

re: #42 garzooma

Manafort knew exactly what was going on.

Oh no doubt there. I was basically just concentrating on the “we didn’t collude with Russia” Trumps. They may have stepped in it.

Makes you wonder how long the Russians have been working Trump. Could go as far back as the first time Trump wanted to run for President. They knew the ego was there, just needed some guidance and incentives. Just keep him close and if he decides to run, you have your in.

The whole time they’ve could have been hanging him with tough loans and payments for their help, promises of buildings, etc., even friendships with oligarchs just to keep him on the line.

This is a great international political crime story, if we weren’t having to live it.

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wrenchwench  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:39:34pm

re: #40 BeachDem

Did you look at the picture? I can’t imagine anyone would take that guy for 14.

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I knew a woman who left her cat at home for 3 months with someone visiting to feed it daily. The cat disappeared. The woman came back and had great faith that the cat would return. She believed so hard that the next cat that came along with the same orange tabby color became her old cat, returned at last, with a different number of toes on the front paws.

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:40:07pm

re: #44 Eclectic Cyborg

No I agree and I’m not saying this dude looked young, only that some people in their early 20s DO look a fair bit younger than they are.

This is a clear cut case of a guy looking for attention. I’m sure investigators knew he was full of shit the moment they saw him even though they had to do the DNA test anyway.

Just sad they didn’t do the test before getting the kid’s family’s hopes up and making it such a big story.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:40:49pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

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Oh ASSange! The 💩 gonna hit the fan now…unless Vlad slips him some Polonium tea…

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:43:14pm

re: #49 BeachDem

Just sad they didn’t do the test before getting the kid’s family’s hopes up and making it such a big story.

Pretending to be a missing kid is an extra level of shady.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:44:08pm

re: #51 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Pretending to be a missing kid is an extra level of shady.

And that’s why I called him an attention whore.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:44:58pm

Where is Nancy?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:46:56pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

I think the answer is “nevah”.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:47:31pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

Only question is, Who will they turn him over to? The Brits? The FBI.? the GRU? Or will they just toss him out on the street and let him fend for himself? I hope it’s the latter. The feeding frenzy would be epic.

*Insert evil laughter here*

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:50:15pm

re: #55 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

I bet good money he ends up in Moscow by weeks end.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:50:19pm

re: #49 BeachDem

Just sad they didn’t do the test before getting the kid’s family’s hopes up and making it such a big story.

yep. My spidey sense started quivering early on yesterday when I read the description he gave of his kidnappers.

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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:51:14pm

re: #53 The Vicious Babushka

Where is Nancy?

CNN Politics ✔
@CNNPolitics
Sen. Bernie Sanders declines to say when he will release his tax returns cnn.it

4:59 PM - Apr 4, 2019

Bernie the ever-independent.

Go the hell away. You are trouble.

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plansbandc  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:52:39pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:53:04pm

re: #55 Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire

Only question is, Who will they turn him over to? The Brits? The FBI.? the GRU? Or will they just toss him out on the street and let him fend for himself? I hope it’s the latter. The feeding frenzy would be epic.

*Insert evil laughter here*

How long would that last before he ends up in an American holding cell as a political enemy?

Hours? Or, less.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:53:43pm

re: #60 ObserverArt

How long would that last before he ends up in an American holding cell as a political enemy?

Hours? Or, less.

send him to Gitmo

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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Apr 4, 2019 • 3:54:36pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:02:44pm

re: #56 Eclectic Cyborg

I bet good money he ends up in Moscow by weeks end.

If they in fact actually toss him. But your probably right. Vlad has gotten tired of paying his rent (via Wikileaks) and wants him under.

Russian control.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:02:47pm

LOLOLOLOLOL…this is just SAD

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KGxvi  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:08:47pm

re: #9 BlueGrl21

No. :)

Two things in conflict: their general intelligence and their religious beliefs. Two of them have master’s degrees and all three are reasonably bright. But this is wrapped up in religious belief. Their church pushes those beliefs. Trump pushes those beliefs. They follow.

They have also always been people who think they get everything about how the world works. They think they are special. Part of this is also about having a view they think is a revelation that only a select few understand. Everyone else is sheep. That is arrogance that they carry about being “right.”

They’re pretty insufferable.

That’s the difference between being smart (knowing things and even being an expert in a certain field) and being wise (knowing the things you don’t know).

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:21:48pm

re: #65 KGxvi

That’s the difference between being smart (knowing things and even being an expert in a certain field) and being wise (knowing the things you don’t know).

Eastwood- A Man’s Got to Know his Limitations

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:23:40pm

He seems nice.

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BeachDem  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:25:23pm

re: #57 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep. My spidey sense started quivering early on yesterday when I read the description he gave of his kidnappers.

And also something about staying in a Red Roof in Sharonville, which was pretty much proven false from the jump.

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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:31:49pm

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EPR-radar  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:34:41pm

re: #17 goddamnedfrank

I definitely think there’s a strong component of arrogance in almost all anti-vax sentiment, and in most contrarian mindsets and conspiracy culture generally. These people get off on the idea that they’re smarter than legions of subject matter experts, who they either feel are elitist and look down on them or are part of a vast sinister medical industrial complex conspiracy. So yeah, for the most part they’re not too bright (or have a very narrow kind of savant like intelligence) but they fall in to this trap because they have a complex about not being bright and this arrogation of expertise they have not earned becomes their coping mechanism.

One thing that’s very unfortunate about all this is that like everything in general, the medical establishment needs to be intelligently critiqued from outside, since no institution on earth can really do it from the inside.

But the legit criticisms get drowned out by an ocean of woo and quackery.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:38:32pm

re: #68 BeachDem

And also something about staying in a Red Roof in Sharonville, which was pretty much proven false from the jump.

it was all so suddenly very very weird

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:41:49pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:43:53pm

re: #35 ObserverArt

Heh, Ari Mleber is talking about some reporting that says while there may not have been a criminal conspiracy on the part of Trump, it doesn’t rule out they could have been seen as usable dupes and played by a sophisticated Russian intelligence operation.

Which would mean the Trumps had no idea they were being involved they just went along.

I don’t think stupidity will be a good defense.

Can anyone say Donny Jr., Ivanka and Jared along with others would be this stupid? I knew you could.

And weren’t we just talking about ignorance and arrogance?

While Trump(?s) are ones never to admit being wrong I suspect there is more than that. There are almost numberless examples of politicians getting offered the option of and claiming incompetence when the alternative is criminality. (Looking at you Chris “I know nothing about bridge shut-downs” Christie.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 4:49:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:03:16pm

moron is upset

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:06:52pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:08:14pm

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron is upset

Sounds like a communist era Albanian election.

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lawhawk  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:08:22pm

Let’s see…. the number of crossings is at multidecade lows. How is this an emergency now?

It wasn’t a crisis a year ago or two years ago?

It only became one once the GOP lost the House because Trump decided this was his path to autocracy and the one issue his bigoted base is still backing him unconditionally on.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:16:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:17:26pm

re: #76 lawhawk

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teleskiguy  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:19:33pm

I had a good day.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:23:32pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:24:39pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:26:05pm
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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:27:55pm

re: #83 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love Nancy, but she didn’t really answer the question.

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BlueGrl21  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:29:13pm

Any of you who are golfers need to read Rick Reilly’s “Commander in Cheat.” Just was released. Fantastic. Reilly has known Trump since Marla and is an incredible sportswriter with connections to pretty much every athlete out there. He also cannot stand Trump.

I grew up in a golf family, caddying for my grandfather, and the thought of anyone cheating at golf was anathema. You…do…not…cheat. You may make a gentlemen’s agreement to hit another ball but it is agreed to openly. You NEVER cheat.

Trump cheats. A lot.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:31:52pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:32:39pm
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:34:42pm

re: #85 I Would Prefer Not To

I love Nancy, but she didn’t really answer the question.

Are you saying that although the law says the IRS has to comply, with the dictator-in-chief they will refuse and force a lawsuit where the Trump courts will support the administration.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:46:26pm

re: #89 Hecuba’s daughter

Are you saying that although the law says the IRS has to comply, with the dictator-in-chief they will refuse and force a lawsuit where the Trump courts will support the administration.

The question was “how was this going to help pass legislation.”

The answer should be something like “The American people have a right to know about conflicts of interests, etc.” Otherwise it just looks like politics…

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:49:54pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:51:14pm

re: #74 Backwoods_Sleuth

I take training every year, required by the US government, that says that you cannot use classification to hide embarrassing or incriminating information.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:54:00pm

re: #90 I Would Prefer Not To

The question was “how was this going to help pass legislation.”

The answer should be something like “The American people have a right to know about conflicts of interests, etc.” Otherwise it just looks like politics…

It’s really easy, Trump made explicit claims that the GOP tax law was going to “cost me a fortune.” It’s an obviously legitimate Congressional exercise to see if he flagrantly lied to the American public in order to secure himself financial gain.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 5:58:38pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:06:17pm

Harsh, but fair.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:06:17pm

re: #94 Dread Pirate Whitebeard

Laurence Tribe:

Yes. Barr’s foot-dragging is inexcusable. Why he decided to become a lackey for this corrupt bully of a president is just beyond comprehension. When I worked with him years ago, he seemed to be a man of integrity. Now he’s willingly harming America and the rule of law. Go figure.

Laurence, what’s wrong with you? Barr showed himself to be a Republican hack under Bush when he maneuvered all those pardons for Iran-contra.

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piratedan  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:06:58pm

re: #90 I Would Prefer Not To

well she DID answer that, she stated at the beginning, the legislation already exists, hence no need to pass any new legislation, true?

She can’t help it if the Press is not aware of the laws as they currently exist, so she read her the law on the books that allows them the RIGHT to request those records.

the only reason this is a big deal is that Dem routinely release their tax records, hence no need for anyone to invoke the legislation on hand. Whereas THIS administration is full of fucking thieves.

Its simply a fucking shame that the Speaker of The House has to educate the damn press regarding the laws that are already on the books while she’s busy being the only sane branch of the Government.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:09:26pm

re: #90 I Would Prefer Not To

The question was “how was this going to help pass legislation.”

The answer should be something like “The American people have a right to know about conflicts of interests, etc.” Otherwise it just looks like politics…

You are right… I didn’t pay sufficient attention to the question.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:18:31pm

re: #88 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dude sounds FED UP! Having had an epic estrangement from my brother, now deceased, I can empathize.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:21:33pm
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MsJ  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:23:10pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:23:38pm
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Michele: Out of the closet and into the fire  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:28:14pm

Night Lizards. As always, May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you and yours.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:30:03pm

Why are we selling nuke technologies to Saudi? And how come no one is talking about it?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:33:54pm

re: #104 Dave In Austin

Why are we selling nuke technologies to Saudi? And how come no one is talking about it?

I asked this to a Trumporrhoid that I know, his response was THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM THE NUKES THAT OBAMA GAVE TO IRAN!!!1!!!

I. Just. Can’t. Anymore. With. These. Fuckballs.

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stpaulbear  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:35:10pm

Here’s a photo of the ‘Release the Report’ group that met at the MN State Capitol this evening. Looked like a couple hundred people. It was cold and drizzly. One TV station sent a van but I didn’t see any media presence at the protest. We were a pretty tote-baggish looking group.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:36:20pm
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MsJ  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:38:23pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:39:35pm

re: #105 The Vicious Babushka

I asked this to a Trumporrhoid that I know, his response was THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES FROM THE NUKES THAT OBAMA GAVE TO IRAN!!!1!!!

I. Just. Can’t. Anymore. With. These. Fuckballs.

Just a refresher.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:41:30pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:44:55pm

…And MN Public Radio news says that we’re definitely in the road consrucion season. Time to fix the poholes.

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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:48:14pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 4, 2019 • 6:52:36pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 4, 2019 • 7:00:24pm
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Belafon  Apr 4, 2019 • 7:04:24pm

re: #113 The Vicious Babushka

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 4, 2019 • 7:06:32pm

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 4, 2019 • 7:10:45pm
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MsJ  Apr 4, 2019 • 7:11:44pm

And this prick like to lecture AOC. FUCK HIM.


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