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Belafon  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:24:29pm
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Belafon  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:25:00pm

The Budweiser-Wade video had me tearing up.

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retired cynic  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:28:01pm

re: #1 Belafon

I’m crying, too.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:30:04pm

This ran in the May 8, 1937 issue of The New Yorker. Of course, the Hindenburg had been destroyed on arrival on May 6, so there was no return flight.

One passenger, Werner G. Doehner, is still alive. He was 8 years old at the time and lost both his parents in the crash. The last surviving member of the crew was Werner Franz, then a 14 year old cabin boy. He died on August 13, 2014, aged 92. Mr. Franz was also the only surviving crew member who was completely uninjured.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:33:40pm

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

That’s $7943.81 in 2019 dollars.

Oof.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:37:04pm
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freetoken  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:39:50pm

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

That’s $7943.81 in 2019 dollars.

Oof.

Not bad, really.

I just checked United and for a business class round trip ticket between LAX and Frankfurt for next week the price it gives me is… Nonstop $12,183 . Much more expensive than the Zepplin!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:49:12pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:51:46pm

re: #7 freetoken

Not bad, really.

I just checked United and for a first class round trip ticket between LAX and Frankfurt for next week the price it gives me is… Nonstop $12,183 . Much more expensive than the Zepplin!

Yeah but you won’t get blowed up real good when you get there.

SCTV Farm Film Celebrity Blow-Up

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Dave In Austin  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:53:03pm

I remember when they were just beans…… What a mess

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William Lewis  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:55:26pm

re: #2 Belafon

The Budweiser-Wade video had me tearing up.

I didn’t know about this till I googled it from your post. That was beautiful. Thank you for mentioning it.

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Ace-o-aces  Apr 11, 2019 • 8:58:38pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:12:01pm

re: #7 freetoken

Not bad, really.

I just checked United and for a business class round trip ticket between LAX and Frankfurt for next week the price it gives me is… Nonstop $12,183 . Much more expensive than the Zepplin!

That $7900 was one-way: So about $14,200 round-trip (the ad mentioned a 10% discount on round-trip bookings). Then again, the Zeppelins were quite luxurious, especially when compared to an airliner.

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Ace Rothstein  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:25:19pm

The 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 is coming up in July. Nixon was prepared to give a speech (written by Bill Safire) in case it all went wrong, and it’s beautiful. In this time of darkness that we live in, I’m reminded that Trump doesn’t have, and never will have, the vision, balls, and quest for knowledge and understanding that those three HEROES had. It’s so fucking sad.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:29:18pm

re: #14 Ace Rothstein

The 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 is coming up in July. Nixon was prepared to give a speech (written by Bill Safire) in case it all went wrong, and it’s beautiful. In this time of darkness that we live in, I’m reminded that Trump doesn’t have, and never will have, the vision, balls, and quest for knowledge and understanding that those three HEROES had. It’s so fucking sad.

Fate has ordained that the men who went to the moon to explore in peace will stay on the moon to rest in peace.

These brave men, Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin, know that there is no hope for their recovery. But they also know that there is hope for mankind in their sacrifice.

These two men are laying down their lives in mankind’s most noble goal: the search for truth and understanding.

They will be mourned by their families and friends; they will be mourned by their nation; they will be mourned by the people of the world; they will be mourned by a Mother Earth that dared send two of her sons into the unknown.

In their exploration, they stirred the people of the world to feel as one; in their sacrifice, they bind more tightly the brotherhood of man.

In ancient days, men looked at stars and saw their heroes in the constellations. In modern times, we do much the same, but our heroes are epic men of flesh and blood.

Others will follow, and surely find their way home. Man’s search will not be denied. But these men were the first, and they will remain the foremost in our hearts.

For every human being who looks up at the moon in the nights to come will know that there is some corner of another world that is forever mankind.

watergate.info

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Teukka  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:29:43pm

re: #14 Ace Rothstein

The 50th anniversary of Apollo 11 is coming up in July. Nixon was prepared to give a speech (written by Bill Safire) in case it all went wrong, and it’s beautiful. In this time of darkness that we live in, I’m reminded that Trump doesn’t have, and never will have, the vision, balls, and quest for knowledge and understanding that those three HEROES had. It’s so fucking sad.

That’s because Tricky Dick, despite his and his crews character flaws, had foresight. Mango Cheetolini and his crew don’t.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:32:00pm

Off to work. Back later today. At least it’s Friday.

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Amory Blaine  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:53:02pm

I heard Assange mentioned in the past about some kind of doomsday trigger, where if he doesn’t interact with it regularly that it will release documents.

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makeitstop  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:55:43pm

Dunno if this has been posted here. A buddy of Assange has been arrested, apparently for attempting to blackmail Ecuador’s president .

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Dave In Austin  Apr 11, 2019 • 9:56:53pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:00:22pm

Epic trolling, commu-federate flag.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:07:15pm
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freetoken  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:09:40pm

Nick is back with a new geology lecture:

Supercontinents and the Pacific Northwest

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Teukka  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:14:05pm

re: #19 makeitstop

Dunno if this has been posted here. A buddy of Assange has been arrested, apparently for attempting to blackmail Ecuador’s president .

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Teukka  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:17:21pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Epic trolling, commu-federate flag.

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Well, the war flag of Novorossia is not that different.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:35:41pm

I really hadn’t thought too much about this particular aspect of the issue but Jesus it fucking sucks … and as someone who was once officially ruled a “medically indigent adult” and relied on a public assistance program to not only survive but escape absolutely devastating levels of debt I’m just overwhelmingly ashamed of how little attention I’ve given to the problem. The way society creates these financial chasms that disabled people can’t cross without endangering their lives is absolutely indefensible. A necessary part of digging us out of this system where people are held hostage to their pre-existing conditions and the medical insurance industrial complex is fixing this trap that disabled people find themselves in where they feel they cannot work for monetary compensation without endangering their basic safety and standard of living.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:40:11pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 11, 2019 • 10:44:46pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 11, 2019 • 11:58:40pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:20:35am

re: #29 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Counterpoint …

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:11:27am

re: #29 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Nice that the UK has something to distract them from Brexit and pending calamity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:12:12am

re: #31 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Nice that the UK has something to distract them from Brexit and pending calamity.

No longer impending, just looming again in the distance…

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:12:50am

re: #31 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Nice that the UK has something to distract them from Brexit and pending calamity.

OTOH, he could rat on some people as a stalling tactic?
*ponders whether to order popcorn*

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:15:22am

re: #33 Teukka

OTOH, he could rat on some people as a stalling tactic?
*ponders whether to order popcorn*

There was talk of a “dead man’s switch” for the eventuality that Assange was arrested. Not heard much about that.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:18:40am

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There was talk of a “dead man’s switch” for the eventuality that Assange was arrested. Not heard much about that.

Could be BS. It’s not like Assange is known for his honesty.

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:20:55am

re: #35 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Could be BS. It’s not like Assange is known for his honesty.

However, they have dropped larged encrypted files named “insurance.” Only thing which remains to be seen is what it is insurance against. It could be something which makes this an epic Charlie Foxtrot…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:30:29am

re: #36 Teukka

However, they have dropped larged encrypted files named “insurance.” Only thing which remains to be seen is what it is insurance against. It could be something which makes this an epic Charlie Foxtrot…

Hmm. Would it be too much to ask for a massive data dump of Trump Organization files?

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:35:46am

re: #37 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Hmm. Would it be too much to ask for a massive data dump of Trump Organization files?

With the Wikileaks organizations history, more likely to be very damaging to the United States.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:49:11am

re: #38 Teukka

Although, if I were the guy that wasn’t taking care of his cat for seven years…I’d make sure my Doomsday Device was focused on Vladimir Vladimirovich. I mean, we might lock him up, but polonium? That’s not on my top 1000 ways of checking out…

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 4:32:55am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 12, 2019 • 4:36:35am

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

I would cackle with glee if this particular Bond villain was arrested and sent to jail.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 12, 2019 • 4:58:20am

re: #12 Ace-o-aces

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In an early Simpsons episode it was stated that Grand Funk Railroad was Homer’s favorite band. Based on the Simpson’s evolutionary cultural age, That would mean that here now decades later, Homer’s favorite band might be Nickleback.

cringe.

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steve_davis  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:03:10am

re: #4 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This ran in the May 8, 1937 issue of The New Yorker. Of course, the Hindenburg had been destroyed on arrival on May 6, so there was no return flight.

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One passenger, Werner G. Doehner, is still alive. He was 8 years old at the time and lost both his parents in the crash. The last surviving member of the crew was Werner Franz, then a 14 year old cabin boy. He died on August 13, 2014, aged 92. Mr. Franz was also the only surviving crew member who was completely uninjured.

well, presumably the smoking room was still available.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:03:15am

re: #40 Patricia Kayden

What are we waiting for?

Here’s the Law That Requires Mnuchin to Turn Over Trump’s Taxes, or Go Directly to Jail thedailybeast.com … via @thedailybeast

yesterday or the day before i said it was a tactical error for mnuchin to effectively insert himself between rettig and neal

this is another very good explanation as to why

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steve_davis  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:04:53am

re: #5 Dr Lizardo

That’s $7943.81 in 2019 dollars.

Oof.

I would do it. If I were going to live in Europe for an extended period of time and had a decent job there, I would spend 8 grand to not have to get trundled into economy class with some hyperactive child kicking the back of my seat all flight.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:05:52am

re: #28 goddamnedfrank

Assange is afraid of jail. It’s really that simple for him.

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steve_davis  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:06:30am

re: #9 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yeah but you won’t get blowed up real good when you get there.

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hey, little know fact: lots of people actually managed to jump out of the zeppelin. you’ll only jump out of the falling airplane in a bugs bunny cartoon.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:06:49am
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:08:26am

re: #42 Rocky-in-Connecticut

In an early Simpsons episode it was stated that Grand Funk Railroad was Homer’s favorite band. Based on the Simpson’s evolutionary cultural age, That would mean that here now decades later, Homer’s favorite band might be Nickleback.

cringe.

Morning!

Grand Fuck may not have been the greatest band in the world…but come on!

/

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:10:10am

re: #41 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

I would cackle with glee if this particular Bond villain was arrested and sent to jail.

It’ll never happen. And the reason is because, while the GOP are engaged in their wettest of dictatorial wet dreams, the DNC still likes to pretend that such behavior would be uncouth and “is not how these things are done!”

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:14:09am

re: #50 Targetpractice

It’ll never happen. And the reason is because, while the GOP are engaged in their wettest of dictatorial wet dreams, the DNC still likes to pretend that such behavior would be uncouth and “is not how these things are done!”

Maybe, but the Dems need to start playing hardball with these criminals, or democracy in the USA is doomed.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:14:42am

re: #50 Targetpractice

It’ll never happen. And the reason is because, while the GOP are engaged in their wettest of dictatorial wet dreams, the DNC still likes to pretend that such behavior would be uncouth and “is not how these things are done!”

I think there are a lot of Dems in the House that have zero fucks to give. I also think that not pursuing this very obvious claim against Mnuchin would pissoff a lot of Dem primary voters.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:16:54am

re: #52 Mike Lamb

I think there are a lot of Dems in the House that have zero fucks to give. I also think that not pursuing this very obvious claim against Mnuchin would pissoff a lot of Dem primary voters.

You’re talking the backbenchers while the leadership is just counseling “The election’s next year, time is on our side.”

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jeffreyw  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:21:36am

Good morning!

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:26:39am

It’s rather sad that a lot of the critics were right, that as soon as the DNC got the House majority, the leadership started yanking on the leash. “No no, no more talk about impeachment. Or about actually confronting his policies. Or about anything in general that would offend the moderates. We’ll pin our hopes on the public understanding that Donny is a lying bastard with stuff to hide.”

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:31:19am
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:37:52am

re: #55 Targetpractice

It’s rather sad that a lot of the critics were right, that as soon as the DNC got the House majority, the leadership started yanking on the leash. “No no, no more talk about impeachment. Or about actually confronting his policies. Or about anything in general that would offend the moderates. We’ll pin our hopes on the public understanding that Donny is a lying bastard with stuff to hide.”

I don’t think you are giving enough consideration to how the media reports on the Democrats talking about impeachment and holding Trump responsible.

They always put it into split politics context because the Democrats get no support from any single Republican. So it all becomes party politics and this country needs to move past that and work together, blah, blah, blah.

I think the Democrats are being cagey. If they get the goods I think they will make the move. But it has to be almost 100% irrefutable or it will get played as politics, not needed to protect our constitution.

As a matter of fact, when was the last time you heard anyone in the media say anything about the strain Trump is putting on the Constitution?

Yeah it sucks. But it is not good times in the political world.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:44:10am

re: #55 Targetpractice

It’s rather sad that a lot of the critics were right, that as soon as the DNC got the House majority, the leadership started yanking on the leash. “No no, no more talk about impeachment. Or about actually confronting his policies. Or about anything in general that would offend the moderates. We’ll pin our hopes on the public understanding that Donny is a lying bastard with stuff to hide.”

Think if how much quicker WW2 would have ended had the Allies just landed all of their troops in Berlin on D-Day. //

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:47:34am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No longer impending, just looming again in the distance…

It appears to me that a hard Brexit is so calamitous, including for the EU, that even if the UK can never figure out what the hell its going to do they will just keep kicking the can down the road before they let the UK crash out without a deal in place.

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jeffreyw  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:47:38am

re: #51 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Maybe, but the Dems need to start playing hardball with these criminals, or democracy in the USA is doomed.

The elephant in this room. Who would take him into custody? Enforcement is an executive branch function, and this executive will thumb his nose and dare anyone to do something about it.
We have always relied on people doing the right thing because it was the right thing. The scofflaws are laughing at the rest of us.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:50:51am

re: #45 steve_davis

I would do it. If I were going to live in Europe for an extended period of time and had a decent job there, I would spend 8 grand to not have to get trundled into economy class with some hyperactive child kicking the back of my seat all flight.

Of course in 1937 the choice was either the Hindenburg or an ocean voyage; I wonder how much tickets for a first-class cabin on an ocean liner cost back then?

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:53:30am

Most of the country dislikes Trump’s behavior. Most of the country also dislikes our national debt and yet, when Democrats try to raise taxes on the rich in order to do something about it, far too many people buy the GOP lie that their taxes are going to be raised as well. Ask yourself how many people in this country know about the law that gives Congress the right to look at someone’s taxes, and why it exists. And then think about how quickly this will get turned into “the Democrats are going to look at all your taxes” and how many people will fail to think “yeah, that’s what the IRS does.”

Also, we’re 3.5 months into the Congressional session.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 12, 2019 • 5:54:14am

re: #56 Patricia Kayden

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I find it interesting that while there is enough public opposition to Herman Cain from GOPers to kill his nomination to the Fed, the equally unqualified Stephen Moore appears to be a go. Whatever could be the difference between them, I wonder?

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:01:03am

re: #57 ObserverArt

I don’t think you are giving enough consideration to how the media reports on the Democrats talking about impeachment and holding Trump responsible.

They always put it into split politics context because the Democrats get no support from any single Republican. So it all becomes party politics and this country needs to move past that and work together, blah, blah, blah.

I think the Democrats are being cagey. If they get the goods I think they will make the move. But it has to be almost 100% irrefutable or it will get played as politics, not needed to protect our constitution.

As a matter of fact, when was the last time you heard anyone in the media say anything about the strain Trump is putting on the Constitution?

Yeah it sucks. But it is not good times in the political world.

You are so right.

When the GOP impeached Clinton, most of the public certainly treated it as a wholly political affair, even though much of the media either supported the GOP action or favored his resignation. At that time, USA Today proclaimed

But the legal skirmishing misses the central question: Has the president so failed in his duties to the nation that he should leave office?

The answer to that question is yes, and the time for the president to leave is not after months of continued national embarrassment, but now. Bill Clinton should resign.

Not because he is unquestionably guilty of any specific criminal offense, though he may well be. Not because of his sexual behavior, as disgraceful as it is. And not solely because of Starr’s report, which is far from an impartial judgment. He should resign because he has resolutely failed — and continues to fail — the most fundamental test of any president: to put his nation’s interests first.

Do we hear any newspapers urging Trump’s resignation even though his behavior of placing his personal financial wealth first is clear to all? Even though we have repeatedly seen his mockery of his oath of office?

The evidence on these serious charges has to be so apparent to all that even the WSJ and Fox News cannot dismiss them.

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jeffreyw  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:04:41am

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

You are so right.

When the GOP impeached Clinton, most of the public certainly treated it as a wholly political affair, even though much of the media either supported the GOP action or favored his resignation. At that time, USA Today proclaimed

Do we hear any newspapers urging Trump’s resignation even though his behavior of placing his personal financial wealth first is clear to all? Even though we have repeatedly seen his mockery of his oath of office?

The evidence on these serious charges has to be so apparent to all that even the WSJ and Fox News cannot dismiss them.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” …

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:08:47am

re: #63 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I find it interesting that while there is enough public opposition to Herman Cain from GOPers to kill his nomination to the Fed, the equally unqualified Stephen Moore appears to be a go. Whatever could be the difference between them, I wonder?

Herman Cain actually has relevant prior experience, unlike Stephen Moore. But it was probably the earlier allegations of sexual misconduct against Cain that doomed his nomination. nytimes.com. Only Trump is Teflon Don when it comes to such charges.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:12:05am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

No longer impending, just looming again in the distance…

Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

May and the British govt are just as inept and incompetent to come to a conclusion about Brexit as can be.

An extra few months wont change anything. They don’t have a plan or a path to leaving.

They are hopeless, and are counting on a miracle for something to change.

Might I suggest new elections and a new referendum to put the adults back in charge?

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:12:48am

re: #67 lawhawk

Objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.

May and the British govt are just as inept and incompetent to come to a conclusion about Brexit as can be.

An extra few months wont change anything. They don’t have a plan or a path to leaving.

They are hopeless, and are counting on a miracle for something to change.

Might I suggest new elections and a new referendum to put the adults back in charge?

It’s going to require someone acting like an adult right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:16:32am

O_o

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:22:28am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:24:26am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

I missed where Mueller tried it.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:26:13am

re: #71 Belafon

Well… Manafort, Gates, Flynn, Papadopoulos, Patten, Stone, etc., all have seen what Mueller’s investigation can do.

Cohen too - as he was spun off from Mueller to the SDNY to deal with his myriad crimes.

Everyone in Trumpworld is a crook.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:30:22am

re: #66 Hecuba’s daughter

Herman Cain actually has relevant prior experience, unlike Stephen Moore. But it was probably the earlier allegations of sexual misconduct against Cain that doomed his nomination. nytimes.com. Only Trump is Teflon Don when it comes to such charges.

But being found in contempt of court for being a deadbeat dad and not paying your taxes is ok with GOPers?

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:32:58am

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:33:23am

re: #73 NO SMOCKING GUN!

But being found in contempt of court for being a deadbeat dad and not paying your taxes is ok with GOPers?

Again, imagine if Obama had five children by three different wives…

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:34:58am
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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:35:40am

re: #70 lawhawk

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Lindsey’s probably spinning “tried” in the usual wingnut fashion: A grand jury is a “mini-trial,” where both sides lay out all their evidence and a grand jury votes to indict or not, so if a prosecutor can’t secure an indictment there then there’s not enough evidence to win at trial.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:39:31am

smdh

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:42:16am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

President Obama’s top White House lawyer, Gregory B. Craig, was indicted yesterday on very serious charges. This is a really big story, but the Fake News New York Times didn’t even put it on page one, rather page 16. @washingtonpost not much better, “tiny” page one. Corrupt News!

We need a Ministry of Fairness and Balance to make sure that news about crimes that a lawyer might have committed after leaving the Obama White House make the FRONT PAGE while news about people who were actively associated with the current President get buried!!!

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:42:23am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

smdh

“We finally got someone from the Obama administration!”
“He wasn’t in the administration at the time. What about all of the people in your -“
“Doesn’t matter!”

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Bubblehead II  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:43:34am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

smdh

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:43:49am

If someone tries to pull that line I’m just going to laugh out loud. 37 indictments of Trump people, and the investigations are still ongoing.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:46:53am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

smdh

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Shouldn’t we apply the standard established by the White House that if an indictment is for anything that is not related to the matter being investigated, then it’s a “process crime” and thus totally irrelevant?

What? Oh, right, Craig’s linked to Obama so obviously it’s evidence of rampant corrruption.//////

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:48:05am

re: #83 Targetpractice

Shouldn’t we apply the standard established by the White House that if an indictment is for anything that is not related to the matter being investigated, then it’s a “process crime” and thus totally irrelevant?

What? Oh, right, Craig’s linked to Obama so obviously it’s evidence of rampant corrruption.//////

The narrative is that Obama was spying on the Trump campaign and that they are the true victims.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:49:11am

re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

smdh

President Obama’s top White House lawyer, Gregory B. Craig, was indicted yesterday on very serious charges. This is a really big story, but the Fake News New York Times didn’t even put it on page one, rather page 16. @washingtonpost not much better, “tiny” page one. Corrupt News!

- obama’s not the president
- craig wasnt charged with anything he did while in the admin

- you are the current president (in case you werent aware)
- flynn, manafort, cohen, et al were all charged for things they did for your campaign and/or for you as president

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:51:24am

re: #63 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I find it interesting that while there is enough public opposition to Herman Cain from GOPers to kill his nomination to the Fed, the equally unqualified Stephen Moore appears to be a go. Whatever could be the difference between them, I wonder?

Well, unless you’re trying to play the race card, the main difference is that Herman Cain is much more of a known (if generally disparaged) quantity. Maybe not among the general public (though who is?), but his abortive Presidential campaign at least familiarized enough people with him to get some level of “public” recognition. OK: it was mainly negative (“black-guy-pizza-magnate, goofy tax plan, loser”): and, of course, dredged up the usual tawdry scandals, but at least it was recognition. Of sorts.
Stephen Moore (though he, as you note, has way more of a history of otherwise-disqualifying dumbassery as Cain) is basically an unknown.
So: unknown incompetent (Republican) dumbass: the perfect Trump nominee…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:52:26am

re: #86 Jay C

nailed it

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:52:52am

bbc news pointed to this op-ed by kyle korver: Privileged

it’s about racism and is quite good

- i wont pretend i have any idea who kyle is or that he plays basketball for the Jazz.
- or who Thabo is

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makeitstop  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:55:56am

re: #54 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

‘Where the birdies at?’

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 6:59:11am

re: #89 makeitstop

‘Where the birdies at?’

oh, deer.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:01:05am

re: #88 Man, DangerMan

bbc news pointed to this op-ed by kyle korver: Privileged

it’s about racism and is quite good

- i wont pretend i have any idea who kyle is or that he plays basketball for the Jazz.
- or who Thabo is

That was posted here earlier this week. It is a good read.

Korver played for the Cleveland Cavs for a few seasons. Always seemed like a level-headed guy never talking crap or acting up.

I liked his thinking that White folks need to feel responsible for the race relations in this country.

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A hollow voice says, Oringes...  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:05:09am

re: #61 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Of course in 1937 the choice was either the Hindenburg or an ocean voyage; I wonder how much tickets for a first-class cabin on an ocean liner cost back then?

First class aboard the Queen Mary cost about $400 (and up to about $650). Third class was $93.

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:05:50am

re: #88 Man, DangerMan

bbc news pointed to this op-ed by kyle korver: Privileged

it’s about racism and is quite good

- i wont pretend i have any idea who kyle is or that he plays basketball for the Jazz.
- or who Thabo is

Pro basketball player Thabo Sefolosha. Now apparently retired.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:07:09am

re: #85 Man, DangerMan

- obama’s not the president
- craig wasnt charged with anything he did while in the admin

- you are the current president (in case you werent aware)
- flynn, manafort, cohen, et al were all charged for things they did for your campaign and/or for you as president

Weren’t most of the Manafort charges for his behavior before he joined the Trump campaign? As you point out, the Craig charges involved actions after his service with Obama, when he was no longer affiliated with the President.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:11:29am

re: #64 Hecuba’s daughter

You are so right.

When the GOP impeached Clinton, most of the public certainly treated it as a wholly political affair, even though much of the media either supported the GOP action or favored his resignation. At that time, USA Today proclaimed

Do we hear any newspapers urging Trump’s resignation even though his behavior of placing his personal financial wealth first is clear to all? Even though we have repeatedly seen his mockery of his oath of office?

The evidence on these serious charges has to be so apparent to all that even the WSJ and Fox News cannot dismiss them.

Just a reminder to folks. I remember the Four Horsemen leading the charge for Clinton’s Impeachment—Tweety Matthews, Maureen Dowd, Tim Russert and Michael Kelly.

All four of them endlessly beat the drum for impeachment with all four also calling for the indictment and conviction of Hillary as a co-conspirator.

Every night on Hardball Tweety put the most extreme Republicans on his show regurgitating every Republican fabrication that the Clintons were the most evil people on the planet. Yes, Tweety endlessly brought up Whitewater and he endorsed the lies that the Clintons had Vince Foster killed. Oh and Hillary shredded all those files at the Rose Law Firm. Lie after Republican manufactured lie was on Hardball.

I still miss Media Whores Online which exposed the endless lying done by the CCCP. Sure wish that they hadn’t taken out The Horse with a cheap expose in Salon.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:20:20am

The cruelty of this administration.

littlegreenfootballs.com

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:23:53am

re: #19 makeitstop

Dunno if this has been posted here. A buddy of Assange has been arrested, apparently for attempting to blackmail Ecuador’s president .

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Swedish Tabloid Expressen on the arrest.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:25:04am

re: #96 plansbandc

The cruelty of this administration.

littlegreenfootballs.com

People who need a god to tell them to be good are lousy judges of how other people act.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:27:00am

re: #96 plansbandc

The cruelty of this administration.

littlegreenfootballs.com

there are ways to curb abuse and fraud but this is just a case of picking on the less fortunate…

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Mike Lamb  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:27:27am

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Weren’t most of the Manafort charges for his behavior before he joined the Trump campaign? As you point out, the Craig charges involved actions after his service with Obama, when he was no longer affiliated with the President.

Craig spent a year as White House Counsel early in Obama’s first term. Trying to connect this to Obama is 8 levels of ridiculousness.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:28:42am

re: #94 Hecuba’s daughter

Weren’t most of the Manafort charges for his behavior before he joined the Trump campaign? As you point out, the Craig charges involved actions after his service with Obama, when he was no longer affiliated with the President.

you are right; i should have been clearer

they didnt get to craig because of his affiliation with the obama admin

they got to manafort through and because of his affiliation with the trump campaign, even if what they ultimately nailed him on was prior stuff; which presumably they were using as leverage to get more information….

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:29:56am

re: #101 Man, DangerMan

you are right; i should have been clearer

they didnt get to craig because of his affiliation with the obama admin

they got to manafort through and because of his affiliation with the trump campaign, even if what they ultimately nailed him on was prior stuff; which presumably they were using as leverage to get more information….

Plus, what he did was pretty serious on its own.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:31:35am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:34:00am

re: #101 Man, DangerMan

you are right; i should have been clearer

they didnt get to craig because of his affiliation with the obama admin

they got to manafort through and because of his affiliation with the trump campaign, even if what they ultimately nailed him on was prior stuff; which presumably they were using as leverage to get more information….

Our whole justice system is a model of injustice. The discussion above about the Thabo article is only one aspect.

The wealthy get away with crimes on a regular basis because it’s too difficult or expensive to do serious investigation or there’s a fear that you might ruffle the wrong feathers. This is especially true when it comes to taxes — Trump and Manafort should have been brought down years ago for financial crimes, before they were inflicted on this nation.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:37:36am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:38:07am

Dashcams during storms are pretty neat. :)

Teslightning

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:38:34am

re: #105 Targetpractice

Because America has a bright track record of running detention camps.////////

the counter-argument being that the people who came here knew what to expect.

in other words, a deterrent function

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 7:59:45am

re: #107 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the counter-argument being that the people who came here knew what to expect.

in other words, a deterrent function

All it will deter people fleeing the possibility of getting killed at home is turning themselves in for asylum.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:03:01am

re: #108 Belafon

All it will deter people fleeing the possibility of getting killed at home is turning themselves in for asylum.

that is the point; they do not want anybody trying to enter the country for any reason.

Unless they are Norwegians…

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:03:18am

re: #106 GlutenFreeJesus

About 2 years ago, I was driving on the NJ Turnpike from the Philly area back to Northern NJ; there was a t-storm line north and west as I was driving. The entire drive (nearly 2 hours) was basically one eye on the road and the other watching mother nature’s beautiful lightning displays off in the distance.

We saw all kinds of cloud to cloud, sheet, and cloud to ground lightning. It was the coolest lightning storm I’ve witnessed from the ground.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:04:50am

re: #103 The Vicious Babushka

That follows Trump going before a bunch of Republican Jewish donors and saying how he’s going to stop migrants and people from seeking asylum.

We went from Never Forget to Always Forget under Trump.

The entire Trump team is determined to be as inhumane and evil and malicious as possible. Why? Profit. They think they can profit from it.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:05:07am

re: #104 Hecuba’s daughter

Our whole justice system is a model of injustice. The discussion above about the Thabo article is only one aspect.

The wealthy get away with crimes on a regular basis because it’s too difficult or expensive to do serious investigation or there’s a fear that you might ruffle the wrong feathers. This is especially true when it comes to taxes — Trump and Manafort should have been brought down years ago for financial crimes, before they were inflicted on this nation.

unfortunately justice has become a business like any other, just less obviously ‘commercial’

the more money you have the more leverage, so the more justice you can ‘buy’:
better lawyers, better pleas, paying off an attorney general (pam bondi) …
hell, access to a lawyer at all (who sits in jail over a weekend till a public defender shows up?)
jailed for not being able to pay draconian fines
not getting your voting rights back for not paying fines… (amendment to florida’s constitution passed that the R’s are still playing around with)

for the rest of us it’s like paul newman said in “the verdict”:

The court doesn`t exist to give them justice. The court exists to give them a chance at justice.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:05:53am

re: #110 lawhawk

About 2 years ago, I was driving on the NJ Turnpike from the Philly area back to Northern NJ; there was a t-storm line north and west as I was driving. The entire drive (nearly 2 hours) was basically one eye on the road and the other watching mother nature’s beautiful lightning displays off in the distance.

We saw all kinds of cloud to cloud, sheet, and cloud to ground lightning. It was the coolest lightning storm I’ve witnessed from the ground.

I enjoyed summer monsoon season in Tucson when you could see the Catalina range of mountains backlit by the lighting flashes…

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:06:06am

re: #109 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

that is the point; they do not want anybody trying to enter the country for any reason.

Unless they are Norwegians…

I guess I wasn’t quite clear: They will still come, and they will hide in the shadows, like they did before.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:07:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:08:41am

re: #114 Belafon

I guess I wasn’t quite clear: They will still come, and they will hide in the shadows, like they did before.

yes, that makes them more vulnerable and easier targets for exploitation, which is also a feature, not a bug of the current system.

One small point I have to agree with DT on: our current immigration laws are stupid.

But that means they need to be comprehensively & humanely reformed and overhauled - and not just cast aside and replaced with a fence.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:09:26am
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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:09:53am

re: #115 lawhawk

A lot of paranoid conspiracy thought over the last decade could basically be summed up as “we’re worried that the authoritarianism will be carried out against the wrong people.”

or to put it another way “it’s ok as long as we’re the authoritarians”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:12:45am

re: #118 Man, DangerMan

or to put it another way “it’s ok as long as we’re the authoritarians”

white genocide!!!

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Amory Blaine  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:12:53am

I don’t see how we come back. The country’s business, spiritual and government leaders are all lying criminals. The rule of law is a farce.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:14:44am

re: #120 Amory Blaine

I don’t either. I think this country is going to break apart. And it’s not going to be a peaceful divorce at all.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:15:26am

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

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My present thoughts on game companies could be summed up as “E3 is gonna absolutely suck this year.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:18:08am

re: #120 Amory Blaine

I don’t see how we come back. The country’s business, spiritual and government leaders are all lying criminals. The rule of law is a farce.

We don’t need a Mueller Report: there are enough obvious grounds to impeach Trump for conflicts of interests and violations of the Emoluments Clause, but there is no political will or motivation on the part of the GOP.

And serious attempts to investigated any wrongdoing are presented to us as Treason, a Witch Hunt and an Attempted Coup.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:21:45am

re: #123 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We don’t need a Mueller Report: there are enough obvious grounds to impeach Trump for conflicts of interests and violations of the Emoluments Clause, but there is no political will or motivation on the part of the GOP.

And serious attempts to investigated any wrongdoing are presented to us as Treason, a Witch Hunt and an Attempted Coup.

Part of the problem is that so much stock was put in in the Mueller Report as the grounds for impeachment that all of Trump’s other crimes have been presented as “minor” by comparison. Your average voter hasn’t the first fucking clue what “emolument” means and will likely go along with the “liberal press” insisting that running a hotel that attracts persons wishing to influence Donny are “no different” than making donations to the Clinton Foundation.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:23:00am
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MsJ  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:24:11am

Seeing how trump “loves” his multiple wives, I can see that.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:24:23am

re: #63 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I find it interesting that while there is enough public opposition to Herman Cain from GOPers to kill his nomination to the Fed, the equally unqualified Stephen Moore appears to be a go. Whatever could be the difference between them, I wonder?

Hmmmmmm. It surely couldn’t be that Herman is blah. No sirree bob.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:25:00am

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

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I truly can’t help but wonder what happens to Mike after this shitshow of a presidency finally comes to an end. My biggest worry is that the GOP will think that makes him worthy of being “the next guy in line” and choose to run him as their next nominee.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:26:44am

re: #124 Targetpractice

Part of the problem is that so much stock was put in in the Mueller Report as the grounds for impeachment that all of Trump’s other crimes have been presented as “minor” by comparison. Your average voter hasn’t the first fucking clue what “emolument” means and will likely go along with the “liberal press” insisting that running a hotel that attracts persons wishing to influence Donny are “no different” than making donations to the Clinton Foundation.

and not enough imo (yes some) that it might be buried and never see the light of day

though at this point i still give the D’s the benefit of the doubt that they are playing a medium if not long game and doing a lot of it quietly

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:27:00am

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The FBI was doing its job by investigating whether Trump’s campaign had foreign connections. It had nothing to do with President Obama “spying” on Trump’s campaign. This really needs to be pushed back against hard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:27:00am

re: #128 Targetpractice

I truly can’t help but wonder what happens to Mike after this shitshow of a presidency finally comes to an end. My biggest worry is that the GOP will think that makes him worthy of being “the next guy in line” and choose to run him as their next nominee.

That has been the plan of the Fundamentalist Christian wing of the GOP all along.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:28:03am

re: #125 Patricia Kayden

Pence: Trump saying he ‘loves’ WikiLeaks ‘was in no way an endorsement’

if pence is an actual god-fearing religious man in his heart (and not just a craven con artist) he knows he’s going to hell

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:28:04am

re: #116 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

yes, that makes them more vulnerable and easier targets for exploitation, which is also a feature, not a bug of the current system.

One small point I have to agree with DT on: our current immigration laws are stupid.

But that means they need to be comprehensively & humanely reformed and overhauled - and not just cast aside and replaced with a fence.

And that battle has gone on for how many Presidents now?

Wasn’t “W” Bush closest to getting something together and he didn’t get any support from his party?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:28:16am

re: #128 Targetpractice

I doubt he’d be considered next in line to anything. He’ll probably get a job at a rightwing think tank with religious connections. He’s not charismatic enough to be President.

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MsJ  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:30:00am

re: #129 Man, DangerMan

and not enough imo (yes some) that it might be buried and never see the light of day

though at this point i still give the D’s the benefit of the doubt that they are playing a medium if not long game and doing a lot of it quietly

The problem is that we play by the rules where the other side is nothing but criminal. I am struggling with what kind of medium or long game can be played when one team is playing cards and the other is playing thermonuclear war.

How about a nice game of chess?

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:30:18am

re: #130 Patricia Kayden

The FBI was doing its job by investigating whether Trump’s campaign had foreign connections. It had nothing to do with President Obama “spying” on Trump’s campaign. This really needs to be pushed back against hard.

and turned on it’s head

- not whether the campaign ‘had foreign connections’
- but whether foreign actors had infiltrated the campaign and/or compromised one or more people

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:31:57am

re: #132 Man, DangerMan

if pence is an actual god-fearing religious man in his heart (and not just a craven con artist) he knows he’s going to hell

Like most evangelicals, he thinks he’s gonna be forgiven for his sins because “I was following God’s will.”

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MsJ  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:32:28am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:34:39am

re: #133 ObserverArt

And that battle has gone on for how many Presidents now?

Wasn’t “W” Bush closest to getting something together and he didn’t get any support from his party?

Yes, that was one aspect of Dubya’s policies that I actually supported, but it went nowhere with his own party.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:44:05am
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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:48:03am

Just a question, is it tempting fate correcting this MAGAt?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:57:48am

re: #128 Targetpractice

I truly can’t help but wonder what happens to Mike after this shitshow of a presidency finally comes to an end. My biggest worry is that the GOP will think that makes him worthy of being “the next guy in line” and choose to run him as their next nominee.

Don Jr. & Ivanka both think they are “next in line.”

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 8:59:02am

re: #137 Targetpractice

Like most evangelicals, he thinks he’s gonna be forgiven for his sins because “I was following God’s will.”

an all-knowing god will be having none of that nonsense

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:02:34am

re: #133 ObserverArt

And that battle has gone on for how many Presidents now?

Wasn’t “W” Bush closest to getting something together and he didn’t get any support from his party?

Yep. Dubya’s reforms program was basically classed as DOA in Congress: like most plans - for decades - it foundered on (basically bullshit) arguments, and served only to perpetuate the status quo. Which, since the status quo was fundamentally economically profitable to many sectors of the economy, and politically profitable (as a rallying point on one side or another) as well, was likely to stay in place, “reform” efforts notwithstanding.

Until Trump came along and changed the rules of the game: figuring (and, disgracefully for this country, correctly) that more political mileage could be gotten simply demonizing and - rhetorically and literally - abusing “illegals” - and by extension, any non-white would-be immigrant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:05:06am

re: #144 Jay C

Yep. Dubya’s reforms program was basically classed as DOA in Congress: like most plans - for decades - it foundered on (basically bullshit) arguments, and served only to perpetuate the status quo.

Ending that status quo would deprive many industries of cheap, easily exploited labor. Something they are not going to part with.

Then we had Mitt “self-deportation” Romney with his ridiculous proposals…also a non-starter.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:16:24am

re: #138 MsJ

Fox News Brain.

sorry, no to most of those stories

it’s the same thing happening to the country only writ small. these people were always there - we didnt look, or it wasnt so obvious.

these folks are trying to simultaneous maintain two biographies for the same person and the dissonance won’t let ‘em

your trump supporting, fox news watching, immigrant hating, anti science, etc ‘mom’ is not the mythical sweet, loving woman who baked you cookies when you were five

- because she never was the person you created your first narrative from - you were younger, didnt see everything, werent privy to everything…whatever

- or she has so fundamentally shifted that she no longer is that person and your memory, accurate or no, is all that’s left. the real person is lost for all time and isnt coming back.

for your own sanity you have to give up one narrative or the other.

i’ve been through this. brutally. thankfully not with politics. with eldercare and personality altering medications.

it works exactly the same and your sanity will not reconcile the two.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:17:18am

Get ready for Dotard to restrict travel to Africa

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Teukka  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:17:25am

Oh wow, #ThisIsMassie on twitter :3

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:18:22am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:18:55am

re: #146 Man, DangerMan

sorry, no to most of those stories

it’s the same thing happening to the country only writ small. these people were always there - we didnt look, or it wasnt so obvious.

they weren’t posting their political views on social media, either

I remember looking up an old buddy from high school on FB, took one look at his page full of pro-fun, anti-Obama and anti-Hillary postings - and decided not to reconnect.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:19:51am

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

It would be good to have more citizens to pay into Social Security instead of having it run dry in 2034.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:20:24am

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Get ready for Dotard to restrict travel to from Africa

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i think he doesnt care who goes there

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:21:18am

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

ICYMI: America is not ‘FULL’. In fact, EIG’s new report shows the opposite: population growth has slowed to its lowest level since the Great Depression and half of all states experienced a net decline in prime age population over the last decade

r’s never let facts get in the way of a good demonizing

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:21:21am

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

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And the youngin’s that are around are moving out of the small towns their parents and grandparents came from, which is what is scaring the everloving shit out of the rural whites: Their own numbers are dropping and the only way to prevent their little villages and towns from disappearing is welcoming “those people” in.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:23:45am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they weren’t posting their political views on social media, either

I remember looking up an old buddy from high school on FB, took one look at his page full of pro-fun, anti-Obama and anti-Hillary postings - and decided not to reconnect.

oh yes a very important point in the wider context.

i was only focusing on the ‘known all my life’/relatives/how is this person that person aspect… how could my mom/dad/gramma/bro/sis possibly be like this…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:27:05am

re: #155 Man, DangerMan

oh yes a very important point in the wider context.

i was only focusing on the ‘known all my life’/relatives/how is this person that person aspect… how could my mom/dad/gramma/bro/sis possibly be like this…

one thing that prevented me from growing up that way was watching my neighborhood in Gary, Indiana, go from all-white to mixed to white minority in a matter of a few months.

My mom mom was a widow who could not afford to join the White Flight to the suburbs. Some of those black and Latino kids became my best buddies and playmates.

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:27:48am

re: #154 Targetpractice

And the youngin’s that are around are moving out of the small towns their parents and grandparents came from, which is what is scaring the everloving shit out of the rural whites: Their own numbers are dropping and the only way to prevent their little villages and towns from disappearing is welcoming “those people” in.

And I’m sure a non-trivial percentage of those folks would probably prefer their towns disappear.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:30:53am

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Get ready for Dotard to restrict travel to Africa

No, this will be further proof that the brown people from Mexico can’t be let in.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:32:47am

re: #157 Jay C

And I’m sure a non-trivial percentage of those folks would probably prefer their towns disappear.

You’re close. In their minds, their town is disappearing because “those people” are changing everything. The ol’ greasy spoon has been replaced with a Mexican restaurant, the local doctor is now a little brown man with a “funny accent” rather than a caricature from a 60s sitcom, they go to the grocery and the girl at the register has frizzy hair and “an attitude,” and so forth. All the things they once associated with “city life” and the “moral degradation” of America is showing up in their little hamlets and they’re scared shitless.

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:32:49am

re: #158 Belafon

No, this will be further proof that the brown people from Mexico can’t be let in.

He will try to ban aid workers from reentering the country. He advocated that during the last outbreak.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:32:56am

well tax season is winding down and here’s an interesting side note

remember all that talk, and we mentioned it here the other day, about ‘filing on a post card’ and what that nonsense really means.

how they cut the 1040 down, printed half on the back, and shoved everything else onto schedules to make it look ‘simpler’.

because this new system is so much better, easier to understand and everybody instantly embraced it (///NOT!///) my software includes a new thing called a ‘Reconciliation Worksheet’

know what it is?

it’s the 2017 1040 form.

know why they did it?
so we can actually check if everything went where we thought and expected it was going, because the new format….

we havent gained any weight but we now have to wear a belt and suspenders where a year ago we didnt need either

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:34:06am

re: #157 Jay C

And I’m sure a non-trivial percentage of those folks would probably prefer their towns disappear.

What the people in these towns want if Mexicans move to a far end of town, show up to do the jobs whites won’t, run a restaurant, and then go away when they’re not doing any of that.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:34:07am

re: #158 Belafon

No, this will be further proof that the brown people from Mexico can’t be let in.

“I’ve been told that illegals have been caught at the border sick with Ebola! Can you believe that?! We’ve got to close the border immediately to protect ourselves from this terrorist threat!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:35:20am

re: #162 Belafon

What the people in these towns want if Mexicans move to a far end of town, show up to do the jobs whites won’t, run a restaurant, and then go away when they’re not doing any of that.

and move back to Mexico once they have earned enough money to leave

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:38:05am

re: #147 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Get ready for Dotard to restrict travel to Africa

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Can’t have Ebola compete with good old American Measles!

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:38:35am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

Can’t have Ebola compete with good old American Measles!

Especially since there might be a vaccine for both.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:38:39am

re: #152 Man, DangerMan

i think he doesnt care who goes there

Yeah, actually intended “to and from” not sure what happened
not multi-tasking very well today

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:39:04am

re: #156 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

one thing that prevented me from growing up that way was watching my neighborhood in Gary, Indiana, go from all-white to mixed to white minority in a matter of a few months.

My mom mom was a widow who could not afford to join the White Flight to the suburbs. Some of those black and Latino kids became my best buddies and playmates.

ditto more or less
there were no black kids in my elementary school 63-69. there was one chinese american.
i was friends with every black kid in middle school (one was my ‘best friend’)
there were 7. i knew all their sibs and families

i didnt ‘learn’ they were ‘black’ until junior year of high school

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:39:05am

Sure, why not

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:41:17am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sure, why not

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The Brexit Party: No Plan, No Direction, and No Leadership.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:43:00am

re: #170 Targetpractice

The Brexit Party: No Plan, No Direction, and No Leadership.

At the same time, with there being leave people in both parties, and the rest of the parties can’t work together, it could be the dominant party if enough people take it seriously.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:43:34am

re: #168 Man, DangerMan

ditto more or less
there were no black kids in my elementary school 63-69. there was one chinese american.
i was friends with every black kid in middle school (one was my ‘best friend’)
there were 7. i knew all their sibs and families

i didnt ‘learn’ they were ‘black’ until junior year of high school

I had Latino friends whose mothers did not speak English, no big deal, I knew other white immigrant kids whose mothers/grandmothers only spoke Italian, Polish or Croatian.

I hung out with Melvin and Dolores Gates next door. I was well aware that they were black: they got along like Fred and Esther Sanford; he would call her “daughter of darkness” or “blackness personified” but that was just their sibling rivalry.

And I recall bringing over a copy of my sister’s Simon and Garfunkel record. I still recall’s Melvin’s reaction: “What’s this Joe DiMaggio shit?” and he took it off and played me some James Brown…

I am grateful for that sort of cultural enrichment.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:47:52am
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:48:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:50:26am

re: #174 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Albence appeared on Capitol Hill last year and said that family detention centers were best described as “more like a summer camp.”

Camp Granada by Allan Sherman (with lyrics)

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:50:28am

re: #174 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

“The Fuehrer Gives the Jews a City” may rank as the oddest film fragment in cinematic history.

The 23 minutes of raw, unedited footage is all that has been found of a Nazi propaganda project to prove that the “model” Theresienstadt camp was a veritable paradise for its Jewish inmates.
jta.org

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:50:37am
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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:51:48am

re: #177 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Because really, when has American armed intervention in South America ever resulted in negative consequences?

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:53:38am

re: #172 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I had Latino friends whose mothers did not speak English, no big deal, I knew other white immigrant kids whose mothers/grandmothers only spoke Italian, Polish or Croatian.

I hung out with Melvin and Dolores Gates next door. I was well aware that they were black: they got along like Fred and Esther Sanford; he would call her “daughter of darkness” or “blackness personified” but that was just their sibling rivalry.

And I recall bringing over a copy of my sister’s Simon and Garfunkel record. I still recall’s Melvin’s reaction: “What’s this Joe DiMaggio shit?” and he took it off and played me some James Brown…

I am grateful for that sort of cultural enrichment.

as long as we’re swapping stories:

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:54:42am

Seems I missed this earlier :

We have a toddler for a president.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:55:40am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Due to the fact that Democrats are unwilling to change our very dangerous immigration laws, we are indeed, as reported, giving strong considerations to placing Illegal Immigrants in Sanctuary Cities only…

Scary part is that our current immigration laws would not necessarily prevent this…

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:56:42am

roger stone:

The worst part of this is being broke… I’ve lost my home, my insurance, what little savings I had, my ability to make a living because people pay me to write and talk, and of course the things they want me to write and talk about are the very things I’m not allowed to talk and write about. In the blink of an eye you can lose everything.

try getting sick

p.s. hey roger: you still got a lawyer? then you havent lost everything. see upthread re: justice

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 9:58:57am

re: #182 Man, DangerMan

I know it’s hard for you, Roger, but imagine that happening and you didn’t do anything wrong.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:01:02am

re: #182 Man, DangerMan

The worst part of this is being broke… I’ve lost my home, my insurance, what little savings I had, my ability to make a living because people pay me to write and talk, and of course the things they want me to write and talk about are the very things I’m not allowed to talk and write about. In the blink of an eye you can lose everything.

maybe this would not have happened if you had just taken up an honest living…

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Mike Lamb  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:02:34am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Seems I missed this earlier :

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We have a toddler for a president.

If these folks were indeed in the country unlawfully, and the admin knew they were here unlawfully, wouldn’t it subject them to liability by allowing them to enter/remain in the country at all, much less direct them to specific cities?

But let’s be clear about something else…this isn’t him being a “toddler”. He’s seriously considering this. And while these are generally non-violent folks fleeing terrible conditions who wouldn’t be a problem in whatever city they were living in, the fact remains that he’s considering what he views as targeted punishment of entire fucking cities based on their general political demographic. He’s trying to introduce violent elements into sanctuary cities. Ponder that fascist bullshit. And the GOP rank and file are cheering him on. Tell me again how it’s the “coastal elites” that treat middle America and the South with contempt.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:02:54am
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:06:02am
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:07:11am

re: #186 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

And what are Democrats going to do about it? In my opinion, House Democrats should initiate impeachment proceedings which will guarantee that they get a full copy of Mueller’s report. Stop being so dang polite.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:07:45am

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

And what are Democrats going to do about it? In my opinion, House Democrats should initiate impeachment proceedings which will guarantee that they get a full copy of Mueller’s report. Stop being so dang polite.

If that is what it takes…

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:10:25am

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

And what are Democrats going to do about it? In my opinion, House Democrats should initiate impeachment proceedings which will guarantee that they get a full copy of Mueller’s report. Stop being so dang polite.

Why would it guarantee it if McConnell cuts off all Senate consideration?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:12:14am

re: #190 Belafon

Why would it guarantee it if McConnell cuts off all Senate consideration?

The point is to get the Mueller Report out in full, something Trump and the GOP are fighting tooth-and-nail.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:12:56am

re: #154 Targetpractice

And the youngin’s that are around are moving out of the small towns their parents and grandparents came from, which is what is scaring the everloving shit out of the rural whites: Their own numbers are dropping and the only way to prevent their little villages and towns from disappearing is welcoming “those people” in.

Combine that with how drugs have pretty much wrecked havoc across many of those areas as well. And the economy for many of those areas will not recover, there just isn’t the drive to establish small industry in places that do not have the trained workforce already in place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:14:24am

re: #192 Feline Fearless Leader

Combine that with how drugs have pretty much wrecked havoc across many of those areas as well. And the economy for many of those areas will not recover, there just isn’t the drive to establish small industry in places that do not have the trained workforce already in place.

and not just the sort of illegal drugs that smugglers bring in, but also the ones from the local meth lab or legal prescription pill warehouse…

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:15:18am

re: #191 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is to get the Mueller Report out in full, something Trump and the GOP are fighting tooth-and-nail.

I realize that. And I want it out. But conviction, actually enforcing the request, would require the Senate.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:15:39am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sure, why not

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That might actually be what the Tories and Labor need. A 3rd party to siphon off the fanatics and allow them to have a reasonable majority left in their own party.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:16:37am

re: #161 Man, DangerMan

well tax season is winding down and here’s an interesting side note

remember all that talk, and we mentioned it here the other day, about ‘filing on a post card’ and what that nonsense really means.

how they cut the 1040 down, printed half on the back, and shoved everything else onto schedules to make it look ‘simpler’.

because this new system is so much better, easier to understand and everybody instantly embraced it (///NOT!///) my software includes a new thing called a ‘Reconciliation Worksheet’

know what it is?

it’s the 2017 1040 form.

know why they did it?
so we can actually check if everything went where we thought and expected it was going, because the new format….

we havent gained any weight but we now have to wear a belt and suspenders where a year ago we didnt need either

Except when everything DOESN’T go where it’s supposed to and you can’t force it to.

O_o

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:17:32am
@realDonaldTrump
“Democrats don’t like the results of the Mueller Report, so now they’re trying everything else.” @RepDougCollins They should stop wasting time and money and get back to real legislating, especially on the Border!

actually democrats dont know what’s in the mueller report and would very much like to see how it ‘totally exonerates’ you

its really mind boggling why you dont want to shove it in their faces

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MsJ  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:21:43am

re: #146 Man, DangerMan

sorry, no to most of those stories

it’s the same thing happening to the country only writ small. these people were always there - we didnt look, or it wasnt so obvious.

these folks are trying to simultaneous maintain two biographies for the same person and the dissonance won’t let ‘em

your trump supporting, fox news watching, immigrant hating, anti science, etc ‘mom’ is not the mythical sweet, loving woman who baked you cookies when you were five

- because she never was the person you created your first narrative from - you were younger, didnt see everything, werent privy to everything…whatever

- or she has so fundamentally shifted that she no longer is that person and your memory, accurate or no, is all that’s left. the real person is lost for all time and isnt coming back.

for your own sanity you have to give up one narrative or the other.

i’ve been through this. brutally. thankfully not with politics. with eldercare and personality altering medications.

it works exactly the same and your sanity will not reconcile the two.

My parents were actually my grandparents who adopted me when I was born. I wonder all the time what they would have been like on a drug like Fox and Rush. My dad was an immigrant Jew who lost family in WWII…came to the US when he was a child in the early 1900s, just before or at the very beginning of WWI. While he never overtly said racist things , I got the impression that there was likely stuff that was underlying. Very slight but there. He grew up being called kike and I cannot imagine (do not want to!) what he would be on Fox News Brain.

This really struck me. And it is something to think about because this is terrifying to me.

My parents haven’t been broken by Fox News, but what I find almost as disturbing is how even parents who have never watched a moment of Fox News can parrot their talking points - like mine. My mom is an immigrant from Venezuela and she started talking the other day about how refugees are an undue burden on our healthcare system and the reasons it’s bad. She’s an educated person who has never watched Fox News! Part of it is she’s always just been one of those “I did immigration the right way” people, so it doesn’t take much to rub her the wrong way on that front. But Hannity and Tucker have so permeated the culture that their noxious shit can be found coming out of the mouths of ostensibly “liberal” people.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:22:00am

re: #188 Patricia Kayden

And what are Democrats going to do about it? In my opinion, House Democrats should initiate impeachment proceedings which will guarantee that they get a full copy of Mueller’s report. Stop being so dang polite.

on this and trumps taxes they’re laying the groundwork to be able to say we tried everything, we asked nicely

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:24:22am

re: #194 Belafon

I realize that. And I want it out. But conviction, actually enforcing the request, would require the Senate.

i think the point is if the house starts impeachment proceedings they can argue that the report is critical evidence. regardless of what the senate does later

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:24:32am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:31:06am

I know the joke is that we turn into our parents. But I recall my mother telling us that we should slap her if she ever started acting like her mother. (However I was never sure what the behaviors were that we were supposed to prevent.) In any case it does seem that a lot rubs off onto us from our parents, either in a positive or negative sense.

I know friends who hit early adulthood and went full rebel against most of their upbringing. And by their late-20s they were already returning to that orbit and behavior set. Not sure why, but I suspect it’s a mix of maturity, experience(s), community, and establishing a comfort zone. I think the last is what generates a lot of the anxiety since disturbances to the comfort zone can generate some pretty wild responses.*

* - And I realize as I type this that it’s also a cat thing. Most cats are very much home bodies wanting a stable environment. Disturb that environment and they get upset.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:33:29am

re: #201 lawhawk

Oooh…..Ian McDiarmad’s Palpatine laughing at the end there.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:38:19am

re: #203 Dr Lizardo

Yup…. old evil white guys never die. They just come back to haunt us as leaders and to try and impose their will on everyone else through lies, conniving, and genocide. /nope… not actually sarcasm. That’s pretty much who Palpatine was and is.

But I will say this, if it turns out Rey was actually a Skywalker the whole time, I’d be disappointed, especially when we know that there are many others out there who are force sensitive and have powers. To roll it back to being in the Skywalker family would diminish the wider universe.

Sometimes it’s just more interesting to have the mystery (like what’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction) than to try and roll everything up into a neat bow.

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:38:19am

I really like Mayor Pete…

He’s taking it to Pence with Zero Fs Given.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:39:39am

re: #149 Patricia Kayden

[Embedded content]

That map is pretty accurate. It shows 6 quickly growing areas in central Ohio. That is Franklin County (Columbus) and five counties that are growing in an expanding metro area.

Cincinnati also has growth. Some around Akron and the rest of the state shrinking. All the shrinking areas are the very gerrymandered areas that make up all of the Ohio Republican house reps. That is why you see some of those districts gerrymandered to include parts of central Ohio, Cincinnati and Akron/Cleveland.

In other words, many of those Reps have small bases of voters.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:40:17am
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:41:10am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:41:13am

re: #204 lawhawk

I’mma gonna call it.

Rey was a Force experiment carried out by Palpatine on Jakku.

Of course, who knows. Also, love that shot towards the end of the trailer where you can clearly see the wreckage of a Death Star superlaser (whether DS 1 or DS 2 is hard to say - if it’s DS 2, then that shot take place on Endor).

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:41:26am

re: #174 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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A summer camp with abusive counselors, and you never get to go home.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:42:04am

re: #204 lawhawk

Yup…. old evil white guys never die. They just come back to haunt us as leaders and to try and impose their will on everyone else through lies, conniving, and genocide. /nope… not actually sarcasm. That’s pretty much who Palpatine was and is.

But I will say this, if it turns out Rey was actually a Skywalker the whole time, I’d be disappointed, especially when we know that there are many others out there who are force sensitive and have powers. To roll it back to being in the Skywalker family would diminish the wider universe.

Sometimes it’s just more interesting to have the mystery (like what’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction) than to try and roll everything up into a neat bow.

Ronin as well

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:42:07am

re: #190 Belafon

The full Mueller report has to be given to House Democrats if they begin impeachment proceedings. Has nothing to do with the Senate.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:44:08am

re: #169 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Sure, why not

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So UKIP isn’t radical enough? Or is this a grifting scheme? Idiot.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:45:46am

re: #213 Patricia Kayden

So UKIP isn’t radical enough? Or is this a grifting scheme? Idiot.

It keeps him “relevant”

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:46:13am

re: #161 Man, DangerMan

well tax season is winding down and here’s an interesting side note

remember all that talk, and we mentioned it here the other day, about ‘filing on a post card’ and what that nonsense really means.

how they cut the 1040 down, printed half on the back, and shoved everything else onto schedules to make it look ‘simpler’.

because this new system is so much better, easier to understand and everybody instantly embraced it (///NOT!///) my software includes a new thing called a ‘Reconciliation Worksheet’\

know what it is?

it’s the 2017 1040 form.

know why they did it?
so we can actually check if everything went where we thought and expected it was going, because the new format….

we havent gained any weight but we now have to wear a belt and suspenders where a year ago we didnt need either

I did mine the other night. I was like wtf? Now I have more paper forms to attach to the stupid 1040.

It makes no sense, should have kept it the same.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:47:18am
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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:47:20am

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

The full Mueller report has to be given to House Democrats if they begin impeachment proceedings. Has nothing to do with the Senate.

The House could bring impeachment with or without the report. If they go without, the GOP would demand that the report be made available to show how he shouldn’t be impeached.

Impeachment is a political process. Mueller’s report could lay groundwork for an impeachment proceeding, but also what is necessary for prosecuting those in the WH, especially if we come to learn that the reason Trump wasn’t indicted was the DOJ rule against a sitting president from being indicted.

We have to know what’s in the report to see the level of damage it does to Trump, and by Trump’s actions, we can and should expect the damage to be pretty harsh. He fears the release of the report. The GOP is pulling out all the stops to try and keep it from being made public.

You don’t do that if you think you’re exonerated; you’d want everyone to see how you didn’t do anything wrong. Even Barr’s initial take showed Trump was in trouble.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:48:07am

re: #207 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

As I stated yesterday, Massie doesn’t have any degree in politics. He should step down.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:48:48am

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

The full Mueller report has to be given to House Democrats if they begin impeachment proceedings. Has nothing to do with the Senate.

OK. I’ll go with that.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:49:17am

re: #219 Belafon

OK. I’ll go with that.

But, one question: If the White House and DOJ refuse to turn it over, then what?

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:49:22am

Trump didn’t know anything from Wikileaks, but his campaign had posters of Assange saying “Dear Hillary, I miss reading your classified emails.”

The fucker lies. It’s all he ever does, and no one ever calls him on it in the moment. Trump then goes on to the next lie, and by the time you even attempt to catch up, he’s on to lie 3.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:51:28am

re: #121 plansbandc

I don’t either. I think this country is going to break apart. And it’s not going to be a peaceful divorce at all.

All empires fall

We’re going to break into pieces the same way the USSR did.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:51:52am

That “send the ‘illegals’ to Sanctuary Cities” horseshit is pure Stephen Miller.

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Targetpractice  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:53:52am

re: #223 Barefoot Grin

That “send the ‘illegals’ to Sanctuary Cities” horseshit is pure Stephen Miller.

It’s also pure, late-night “If they love them so much…!” childish horseshit.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:54:52am

re: #224 Targetpractice

It’s also pure, late-night “If they love them so much…!” childish horseshit.

not about solving problems, it is about ramping up the level of discord

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:55:31am

re: #180 Targetpractice

Seems I missed this earlier :

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We have a toddler for a president.

Didn’t Trump’s people already spend all of yesterday afternoon trying put that move-‘em-into-sanctuary-cities fire out?

So, today he comes right back with it.

I don’t see how anyone can work with this idiot. His mind is like a roulette table. It spins and the decision ball falls into a number slot. Everyone goes with that, but Trump spins the wheel again and a new number comes up…and everyone changes and goes with that…until the next spin brings up another new number.

It’s all a big gamble with Trump and everyone is losing.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:56:13am

re: #212 Patricia Kayden

The full Mueller report has to be given to House Democrats if they begin impeachment proceedings. Has nothing to do with the Senate.

Nancy does not want to have to start impeachment hearings to get the report. That would damage the Dem battle in the public eye — and that’s where the war has to be fought. Barr and the Merry Band of GOP obstructionists know that “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it”. That’s why they have to continue lying and escalating the lies so that their falsehoods seep into the public consciousness.

Re: the previous discussions on Fox brain. I do believe that people who are not racist to begin with can be molded by repeated propaganda. We are born without knowledge; our perspectives are shaped by what we see and experience. If we keep hearing stories demonizing a group, we can be susceptible and fall into the same pattern, especially if some members of the group committed real atrocities. But the atrocities don’t have to be real — just believed. For example, the centuries old blood libel against Jews — the fact that it was never true was irrelevant. The population believed what their religious leaders taught them. It’s not just Fox that spreads the lies, there is Hillary’s infamous vast right wing conspiracy from the 1990’s that has grown so much larger in the years since she made her accusation.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 10:59:02am

re: #226 ObserverArt

…I don’t see how anyone can work with this idiot. His mind is like a roulette table. It spins and the decision ball falls into a number slot….
It’s all a big gamble with Trump and everyone is losing.

You knew this job was dangerous when you took it…and you only took it because you thought you could somehow outsmart him and advance your career by doing so…

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danarchy  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:01:53am

re: #185 Mike Lamb

If these folks were indeed in the country unlawfully, and the admin knew they were here unlawfully, wouldn’t it subject them to liability by allowing them to enter/remain in the country at all, much less direct them to specific cities?

But let’s be clear about something else…this isn’t him being a “toddler”. He’s seriously considering this. And while these are generally non-violent folks fleeing terrible conditions who wouldn’t be a problem in whatever city they were living in, the fact remains that he’s considering what he views as targeted punishment of entire fucking cities based on their general political demographic. He’s trying to introduce violent elements into sanctuary cities. Ponder that fascist bullshit. And the GOP rank and file are cheering him on. Tell me again how it’s the “coastal elites” that treat middle America and the South with contempt.

I don’t even think it is about introducing violent elements into those cities as much as trying to overwhelm the social services and ability to integrate people through sheer numbers. A few hundred thousand people distributed across america can be absorbed. Drop them all in San Francisco, NY and Seattle and all of a sudden you will start getting people who are normally pretty supportive of migrants getting frustrated and Trump hopes turning against the sanctuary policies and immigration in general.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:02:12am

re: #194 Belafon

I realize that. And I want it out. But conviction, actually enforcing the request, would require the Senate.

People seem to forget that.

And if the Senate doesn’t impeach, then the Republicans turn it into a victory for Trump, campaign on Democrats doing nothing but a political hit on Trump and win the next few elections because Democrats are nothing but trying to stop Republicans from making America Great.

I thought everyone said Pelosi was smart, yet we don’t seem to want to stick with her to do what is probably the best thing.

She has a better feel for what is going on in DC than most. And if she thinks an impeachment call will be costly, then I trust her.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:03:00am

re: #229 danarchy

I don’t even think it is about introducing violent elements into those cities as much as trying to overwhelm the social services and ability to integrate people through sheer numbers.

While cutting off any form of federal aid or assistance

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:09:38am

re: #222 Joe Bacon 🌹

All empires fall

We’re going to break into pieces the same way the USSR did.

I think a lot of this was manipulation by Putin, knowing where our fault lines are and using modern propaganda tools to encourage this. See the Wiki article about Igor Panarin.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:11:10am

re: #231 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

While cutting off any form of federal aid or assistance

The malicious change to the tax law limiting SALT deductions makes it harder for states to raise funds to do the right thing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:11:16am

re: #232 Hecuba’s daughter

I think a lot of this was manipulation by Putin, knowing where our fault lines are and using modern propaganda tools to encourage this. See the Wiki article about Igor Panarin.

cannot really blame him; he saw an inherent weakness and exploited it…and we had enough people here willing to help

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:13:52am
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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:13:58am

re: #223 Barefoot Grin

That “send the ‘illegals’ to Sanctuary Cities” horseshit is pure Stephen Miller.

They literally think human beings are trash to be dumped.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:15:24am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

cannot really blame him; he saw an inherent weakness and exploited it…and we had enough people here willing to help

Murdoch isn’t one of our people — he is also a hostile alien actor.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:15:57am

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

Imagine Trump trying to give any sort of speech like that. Or the Reagan speech after the Challenger. Or the GWB speech after 9/11. Or Obama’s speech after the raid that killed bin Laden.

He is such a small, small man.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:18:26am

re: #237 Hecuba’s daughter

Murdoch isn’t one of our people — he is also a hostile alien actor.

there were people in the GOP and the Trump campaign also willing to help, and the Press was ready to report on it as if it were real news

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:18:41am

re: #235 Joe Bacon 🌹

When I asked Kerry if he had a science degree, he answered “no” but forgot to turn his microphone on. The left has been using his flub to conceal what this exchange proved which is Kerry admitted he doesn’t have a science degree, even though his degree says “science”

Thomas Massie has a degree from MIT. Is he really that stupid or is it that he thinks the Trump base is that stupid?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:19:32am

re: #238 KGxvi

Imagine Trump trying to give any sort of speech like that. Or the Reagan speech after the Challenger. Or the GWB speech after 9/11. Or Obama’s speech after the raid that killed bin Laden.

He is such a small, small man.

Trump would turn into something about him. Guaranteed.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:20:09am

re: #77 Targetpractice

Lindsey’s probably spinning “tried” in the usual wingnut fashion: A grand jury is a “mini-trial,” where both sides lay out all their evidence and a grand jury votes to indict or not, so if a prosecutor can’t secure an indictment there then there’s not enough evidence to win at trial.

Except that is not how grand juries work. Thus the old “a prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich.”

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Jay C  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:20:40am

re: #195 Feline Fearless Leader

That might actually be what the Tories and Labor need. A 3rd party to siphon off the fanatics and allow them to have a reasonable majority left in their own party.

I dunno: two-party systems may have their drawbacks, but at least they introduce a certain level of stability into a country’s political system. In Britain, though, the problem with a Farage-led “Brexit Party” (aside from Nigel Farage himself) is that it might “siphon off” just enough support to form a spoiler bloc in Parliament - and one of single-issue fanatics, at that - which would make them indispensable power-brokers: as it’s a wild guess as to whether either Tories or Labour would be able to keep a working Majority if the Brexiteers flounce off to a Party of their own.

My analysis of British politics my be faulty (always a possibility), but I’ve always thought Farage and UKIP were a fringe party mainly because their xenophobic anti-immigrant, anti-Europe obsessions weren’t “mainstream” enough: but in the Brexit Era, that’s not so true anymore.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:20:59am

re: #240 Hecuba’s daughter

Thomas Massie has a degree from MIT. Is he really that stupid or is it that he thinks the Trump base is that stupid?

Did his parents grease the skids to get that asshole into MIT?

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:21:50am

re: #236 Scottish Dragon

They literally think human beings are trash to be dumped.

No, they think that every undocumented person here is a serial killer and that sanctuary cities don’t report anyone to the federal government. In other words, they are racist morons.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:22:21am

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did his parents grease the skids to get that asshole into MIT?

According to wikipedia, he’s got a company he started, and inventions and patents to his name. I’m thinking he’s probably libertarian.

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KGxvi  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:23:36am

re: #246 Belafon

According to wikipedia, he’s got a company he started, and inventions and patents to his name. I’m thinking he’s probably libertarian.

He represents a district in northern Kentucky. Isn’t that coal country? And wouldn’t that be the most obvious answer?

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ericblair  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:24:00am

re: #234 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

cannot really blame him; he saw an inherent weakness and exploited it…and we had enough people here willing to help

Of course we can blame Putin. He took advantage of a weakness to empower racists and criminals, and make the world a more hateful and painful place, for power and spite. Finding a lost man in an alley doesn’t mean you can rob him and leave him in the gutter. He’s a piece of shit, and we shouldn’t forget that.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:24:18am

re: #243 Jay C

I dunno: two-party systems may have their drawbacks, but at least they introduce a certain level of stability into a country’s political system. In Britain, though, the problem with a Farage-led “Brexit Party” (aside from Nigel Farage himself) is that it might “siphon off” just enough support to form a spoiler bloc in Parliament - and one of single-issue fanatics, at that - which would make them indispensable power-brokers: as it’s a wild guess as to whether either Tories or Labour would be able to keep a working Majority if the Brexiteers flounce off to a Party of their own.

My analysis of British politics my be faulty (always a possibility), but I’ve always thought Farage and UKIP were a fringe party mainly because their xenophobic anti-immigrant, anti-Europe obsessions weren’t “mainstream” enough: but in the Brexit Era, that’s not so true anymore.

That is the risk, that they become a necessary power block. However, it might also be enough that the other two parties decide that tossing Article 50 is in their mutual interests. Once that is done the Brexit Party is a single issue side group with no initial traction. And the government at that point would probably shy away from another referendum given the previous experience. From there I think the Brexit mob would erode away into obscurity.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:25:15am

re: #246 Belafon

According to wikipedia, he’s got a company he started, and inventions and patents to his name. I’m thinking he’s probably libertarian.

Backwoods Sleuth knows all about him. He is her congresscritter and I think she knows a bit about his family.

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:26:40am

re: #248 ericblair

Of course we can blame Putin. He took advantage of a weakness to empower racists and criminals, and make the world a more hateful and painful place, for power and spite. Finding a lost man in an alley doesn’t mean you can rob him and leave him in the gutter. He’s a piece of shit, and we shouldn’t forget that.

True. It’s also true that Putin/Russia did and are doing the same things that traitors like the Koch brothers and Fox News have been doing for decades.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:27:45am

re: #236 Scottish Dragon

They literally think human beings are trash to be dumped.

For some reason they never say “prosecute the employers of undocumented immigrants.”

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Citizen K  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:28:23am

Because nothing matters. Absolutely nothing fucking matters.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:29:06am

re: #247 KGxvi

He represents a district in northern Kentucky. Isn’t that coal country? And wouldn’t that be the most obvious answer?

Not really; its more like the Cincinnati suburbs. But its very Catholic and conservative.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:29:42am

re: #248 ericblair

Of course we can blame Putin. He took advantage of a weakness to empower racists and criminals, and make the world a more hateful and painful place, for power and spite. Finding a lost man in an alley doesn’t mean you can rob him and leave him in the gutter. He’s a piece of shit, and we shouldn’t forget that.

we can take him to task morally, of course. but he was just advancing his country’s interests as he saw them.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:30:12am

re: #247 KGxvi

He represents a district in northern Kentucky. Isn’t that coal country? And wouldn’t that be the most obvious answer?

Most of his constituents are Cincinnati suburbanites, and like a lot of suburbs, they are conservative, but not rural.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:31:34am

re: #244 Joe Bacon 🌹

Did his parents grease the skids to get that asshole into MIT?

James Woods got into MIT also. Being technically brilliant doesn’t mean you are not a totally deplorable, contemptible person.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:35:20am
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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:35:50am

re: #257 Hecuba’s daughter

James Woods got into MIT also. Being technically brilliant doesn’t mean you are not a totally deplorable, contemptible person.

I work with a whole lot of really smart engineers, who reject climate change and dodge really tough challenges on Trump with “What about Obama?”

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:38:04am

re: #252 jaunte

There’s a chapter all about the meat cutting industry in “Fast Food Nation”. Owners would actually advertise in Mexico and transport illegal workers to their processing plants. The take away was that R’s really didn’t want the flow of illegal workers cut off. It’s the only way they could pay slave wages and get away with horribly unsafe working conditions. They didn’t want their sweet and easy $$$ to go away. So basically at the time the book was published, the whole “illegals” thing was fear mongering for political points.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:41:19am

re: #260 plansbandc

meat packing
fruit & vegetable picking
gardening & landscaping
construction
janitors & domestic services…

cutting off the supply of cheap, easily exploited labor would force these industries to totally revamp their business models…

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:42:18am

re: #253 Citizen K

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Because nothing matters. Absolutely nothing fucking matters.

The uphill battle the suit faces was evident before the arguments even began Tuesday morning when it was revealed that all three 4th Circuit Court of Appeals judges assigned to the case are GOP appointees, including two of the court’s most conservative jurists.

from the article pretty much says it all.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:44:20am

re: #262 EPR-radar

from the article pretty much says it all.

“So, what you’re telling me, judges, is that you really don’t have the same concerns our founding father’s did of outside influence on our president?”

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:45:18am

re: #259 Belafon

I work with a whole lot of really smart engineers, who reject climate change and dodge really tough challenges on Trump with “What about Obama?”

Some engineers are creationists, even young earth creationists. That should be grounds for removal of any official engineering credentials. In fact, I’d like to see schools revoke granted degrees for sufficiently egregious cases of this.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:45:29am
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ericblair  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:45:51am

re: #255 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

we can take him to task morally, of course. but he was just advancing his country’s interests as he saw them.

He’s not advancing his country’s interests, and never intended to. Things continue to get worse for the average Russian. Having another corrupt mob boss in “control” of the US doesn’t help Russia, but it could help Putin and his oligarchs lift sanctions and accumulate more power and money.

re: #251 EPR-radar

True. It’s also true that Putin/Russia did and are doing the same things that traitors like the Koch brothers and Fox News have been doing for decades.

And they’re pieces of shit as well, and have done nothing and have intended to do nothing to help the average American.

It is a major mistake to confuse the interests of powerful kleptocrats for the interests of whatever hapless country they’ve taken control of.

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Citizen K  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:46:01am

re: #263 Belafon

“So, what you’re telling me, judges, is that you really don’t have the same concerns our founding father’s did of outside influence on our president?”

Of course not. As long as the GOP wins and the libs get triggered , it’s an objective good.

This is the United States of the GOP. Only they are allowed to decide what laws get to apply to what.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:47:30am

re: #266 ericblair

He’s not advancing his country’s interests, and never intended to. Things continue to get worse for the average Russian. Having another corrupt mob boss in “control” of the US doesn’t help Russia, but it could help Putin and his oligarchs lift sanctions and accumulate more power and money.

a case of evil begetting more evil; they see the US as a kleptocracy, they are just trying to be on top of things

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:47:56am

re: #253 Citizen K

If I were a lawyer on that doomed case, I’d try to get in a few good shots before the end.

E.g., “Your Honor, the reason that the emoluments clause is an uncharted area of constitutional law is that the US has never previously has such a blatantly corrupt and self-serving president.”

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Mike Lamb  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:48:04am

re: #253 Citizen K

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Because nothing matters. Absolutely nothing fucking matters.

I didn’t realize that there was a provision in the Emoluments Clause that said it’s not applicable in lawsuits if it might lead to impeachment.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:48:42am

re: #264 EPR-radar

Some engineers are creationists, even young earth creationists. That should be grounds for removal of any official engineering credentials. In fact, I’d like to see schools revoke granted degrees for sufficiently egregious cases of this.

in order to be a Biblical Literalist, you not only have to reject science & history, you have to reject logic itself, as the Bible contradicts itself in many cases.

People like that should not be allowed to make decisions that affect others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:50:22am

re: #246 Belafon

According to wikipedia, he’s got a company he started, and inventions and patents to his name. I’m thinking he’s probably libertarian.

He is a libertarian (Rand Paul is who got him into Congress).
He doesn’t own as many inventions and patents as he claims.

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:50:26am

re: #263 Belafon

“So, what you’re telling me, judges, is that you really don’t have the same concerns our founding father’s did of outside influence on our president?”

“So what you’re telling me, judges, is that Republicans cover for other Republicans’ crimes as a matter of instinct, as opposed to explicit collaboration. That’s very informative. Thank you very much.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:50:51am

re: #247 KGxvi

He represents a district in northern Kentucky. Isn’t that coal country? And wouldn’t that be the most obvious answer?

No, his district runs a hefty length of the Ohio River. No coal counties in it.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:52:47am

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

in order to be a Biblical Literalist, you not only have to reject science & history, you have to reject logic itself, as the Bible contradicts itself in many cases.

People like that should not be allowed to make decisions that affect others.

Unfortunately, you just described the majority of the Republican Party.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:53:12am
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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:53:25am

re: #259 Belafon

I work with a whole lot of really smart engineers, who reject climate change and dodge really tough challenges on Trump with “What about Obama?”

Years ago I read “When Genius Failed” (I think that was the book) about the Long Term Capital Management debacle. One of the employees was a brilliant libertarian who was contemptuous of government until the company almost brought down the entire world economy — at which time they were begging to be saved, while the rest of the financial world was eagerly dining on the carcass of their company. They all have tunnel vision and tend to be Ayn Rand worshipers. Ayn certain was one of the forces that poisoned this world.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:53:55am

re: #275 Charles Johnson

Unfortunately, you just described the majority of the Republican Party.

selective Biblical Literalists…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:55:23am

Coworker of mine who claims to be a centrist to me just now: “Why are you still so hung up on the Mueller Report? It’s not like there was much in there.”

Me: “Oh, and when you did read it?”

Him: “I didn’t, but all the reports said there’s not much in there. You think every one of those people were wrong?”

Me: *moves to another table across the break room*

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ericblair  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:55:30am

re: #268 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a case of evil begetting more evil; they see the US as a kleptocracy, they are just trying to be on top of things

I don’t think this is right. They stash a great deal of money in the West, including the US, because unlike back home they can trust that the authorities will follow rules and it won’t be arbitrarily seized or stolen by political enemies. They count on us to not be kleptocracies.

They have moral agency too, not just the West. And I’m not being some Russophobe: I have family there, and I worry about their future at the hands of the sociopathic parasites currently running the place.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:57:10am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:57:28am

Ah, the good old days, 1979.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:58:30am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

Mega-corporation as abusive stalker.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:58:37am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

Amazing and not in a good way. The psychological subtext to all this isn’t even really a subtext. It’s beyond creepy.

I have mentioned this before, but on top of it all, a lot of those old geezers think she is hot and have lecherous thoughts about her…

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Citizen K  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:58:38am

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

Coworker of mine who claims to be a centrist to me just now: “Why are you still so hung up on the Mueller Report? It’s not like there was much in there.”

Me: “Oh, and when you did read it?”

Him: “I didn’t, but all the reports said there’s not much in there. You think every one of those people were wrong?”

Me: *moves to another table across the break room*

And thus the despairing Unity of Bullshit combined with the Big Lie wins again.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:58:49am

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

Coworker of mine who claims to be a centrist to me just now: “Why are you still so hung up on the Mueller Report? It’s not like there was much in there.”

Me: “Oh, and when you did read it?”

Him: “I didn’t, but all the reports said there’s not much in there. You think every one of those people were wrong?”

Me: *moves to another table across the break room*

There are a lot of people who follow the news at a very superficial level. I don’t know him but would it be useful at all to point out that none of the people commenting, except Barr, have actually read the document and so they are just as ignorant as your friend is.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2019 • 11:59:27am

re: #281 Charles Johnson

She’s just the latest colored woman for the RWNJs to beat up on. Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Stacy Abrams, Michelle Obama, Ilhan Omar, Emma Gonzalez.

This is not a new trend.

I know you know this Charles, I’m merely making the statement for the sake of making it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:00:02pm

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

There are a lot of people who follow the news at a very superficial level. I don’t know him but would it be useful at all to point out that none of the people commenting, except Barr, have actually read the document and so they are just as ignorant as your friend is.

I can only assume that Mueller anticipated this initial reaction and has structured the report so that when it comes out, no amount of spin can make it look anything but damaging.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:00:06pm
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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:00:06pm

re: #279 Eclectic Cyborg

Coworker of mine who claims to be a centrist to me just now: “Why are you still so hung up on the Mueller Report? It’s not like there was much in there.”

Me: “Oh, and when you did read it?”

Him: “I didn’t, but all the reports said there’s not much in there. You think every one of those people were wrong?”

Me: *moves to another table across the break room*

“Did they read it?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:00:36pm

re: #286 Hecuba’s daughter

There are a lot of people who follow the news at a very superficial level. I don’t know him but would it be useful at all to point out that none of the people commenting, except Barr, have actually read the document and so they are just as ignorant as your friend is.

And I have my doubts that Barr actually read the entire thing.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:01:49pm

American Gulags.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:01:54pm

I guess the concentration camp population will be put to work in the various places that undocumented workers once worked. So we have to keep the flow of detained folks into concentration camps for all the potential free labor. Process the prisoners I mean detainees for awhile, see who’s strong and capable of doing some solid work. Maybe take a percentage of them to help build some nice new private prisons for the non-cooperative or incapable ones.

So it will be the same labor force only the Captains of Industry will pay out far less (and by far less, I mean zero) and rake in even more money. WINNING!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:02:46pm

re: #292 DodgerFan1988

Remember when the hot conspiracy theory from the Obama years was how Jade Helm was going to be a military pretext for the government to set up internment camps in Texas for people it didn’t like?

and how it came out that a lot of Jade Helm hysteria was fueled by foreign bots…

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:02:53pm

re: #259 Belafon

I work with a whole lot of really smart engineers, who reject climate change and dodge really tough challenges on Trump with “What about Obama?”

I’ve run across a lot of engineers in the “intelligent design” camp of not evolution. Something in the mindset that goes with that profession I think.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:03:53pm

re: #276 Dave In Austin

I’ve got a BA in political science and history, but no one ever thinks I’m only allowed to study the history and science of bachelors.

I’ve got a MA in political science, but does that make me the Master? Or Master of Puppets?

I’ve got a JD, so that means I’m a doctor of the law… and can prescribe drugs to deal with the ongoing troubles?

Massie continues digging himself in a hole; and one of his quips yesterday was about how MIT offers political science as an elective.

Ummm…. MIT has an entire political science department, and issues degrees for BA, MA, and PhD. Massie can STFU (his new degree).

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Scottish Dragon  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:04:27pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

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Yep. My Fox News brother rants about her “You have no idea how much I hate that bitch!”

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Charles Johnson  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:04:31pm
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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:04:47pm

Dogface mental relief.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:05:54pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I have my doubts that Barr actually read the entire thing.

Ahhh — what an intriguing idea! Barr read only the conclusions and manipulated them to produce his letter. Given the length of the report and the brief time he supposedly had it before issuing his statement, that is certainly a possibility. And then he went back and actually read it and was dismayed at the full details?

Intriguing — but I suspect he actually read it (not necessarily all the attachments) before creating his magnum opus.

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:05:59pm

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

My engineer dude worked with an engineer who was a young earth believer. They were talking about the logistics of some project, and dude said made some reference of a land formation being millions of years old. YEB engineer said, well actually, thousands.

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:06:10pm

JFC.

Just got my taxes. Nice refund from the State of California. But I owe the IRS.

xU8pccqs+JoABay/Aipq1W0rWKTIDBtJUKhbRZ9NvhrcEDxtr3PfCuY7IgwFoRrBS8yfQ7rRhZ9XAOYka7DHXiD0v80+GKqHLEV06PFlfmYYLKELNwLVdaKpGgNw854Rn+HL2aMiiq+C5HkAJAA+MlEcdVFMz+Yx1eLSZTvE0inElCgB9U/Fd3fqTmDP7kZbaAH6GvJgq8GJpsuAuwU6lRImsIEH1Y1peJy+RFCUaM4=

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Citizen K  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:06:35pm

re: #281 Charles Johnson

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s just the latest colored woman for the RWNJs to beat up on. Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Stacy Abrams, Michelle Obama, Ilhan Omar, Emma Gonzalez.

This is not a new trend.

I know you know this Charles, I’m merely making the statement for the sake of making it.

It’s not just them, but they get it the worst due to the compounding factors of both their gender and respective brownness. It’s part of the same GOP strategy of poisoning the well so it doesn’t matter if they win long as Dems lose.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:06:51pm

re: #216 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Holy crap
When I posted that tweet, they had raised a bit under $1,300.
They’re at $10, 328

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:07:40pm

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve run across a lot of engineers in the “intelligent design” camp of not evolution. Something in the mindset that goes with that profession I think.

They try to employ the logic that since they have to think really hard to come up with something as complicated as what they make, it must have taken something really smart to have come up with us in this universe. They can’t fathom that it could have just happened.

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jimmyvluv4u  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:09:27pm

re: #304 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The @dog_rates dude was interviewed for a GoFundMe podcast this week where the main topic was (unsurprisingly) his weekly GoFundMe links.

iTunes Link

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:09:56pm

re: #271 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

in order to be a Biblical Literalist, you not only have to reject science & history, you have to reject logic itself, as the Bible contradicts itself in many cases.

People like that should not be allowed to make decisions that affect others.

My brother the professor has YECs in the geology classes he teaches. He figures that how they handle the fact that the subject only works when you accept the concept of Deep Time is their problem to deal with. And he grades on getting answers on the material as taught.

He once said that he averages 1-2 official complaints per year from students whose religious feelings he has apparently hurt.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:11:45pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

On this day in 1864, Confederate troops slaughtered black Union soldiers, most of whom were former slaves, in Fort Pillow, Tennessee. What made the attack so horrific is that the majority of the black soldiers were killed as they put down their weapons & attempted to surrender.

That in turn led to the collapse of the prisoner exchange program between the US and the CSA, which in turn led to Southern POW camps like Andersonville becoming overcrowded and turning into death camps full of starving, disease-ridden prisoners.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:12:47pm

re: #302 Unshaken Defiance

Just got my taxes. Nice refund from the State of California. But I owe the IRS.

used to be the other way around with me, what the Fed refundeth the State taketh away

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:13:30pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:15:30pm

re: #305 Belafon

They try to employ the logic that since they have to think really hard to come up with something as complicated as what they make, it must have taken something really smart to have come up with us in this universe. They can’t fathom that it could have just happened.

It is one thing to look at that complexity and believe that there is a creative intelligence behind it all.

But to insist that it happened exactly as described in the Book of Genesis is another matter…

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:16:52pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:18:01pm

re: #312 jaunte

Someone apparently set himself on fire in front of the White House just now. I was coming out of the West Wing, and the Sevret Service isn’t letting anyone out onto Pennsylvania Ave. They say there are also suspicious packages.

Violation of the Self-Immolation clause?

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:18:05pm

re: #310 jaunte

It is information warfare, but that’s not the kind they really want. They don’t need conservatives believing Trump is ahead, that will cause conservatives to relax. They need everyone else to believe he is doing so well he will get reelected. And that graphic isn’t going to do it.

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:19:57pm
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William Lewis  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:20:49pm

re: #264 EPR-radar

Some engineers are creationists, even young earth creationists. That should be grounds for removal of any official engineering credentials. In fact, I’d like to see schools revoke granted degrees for sufficiently egregious cases of this.

Engineering is often a matter of plugging bits into each other - no different than taking an equation (algebraic or even calculus) and simply plugging in the the numbers and using the result. Many times an engineer does not have to have a really clear view of the backing theory when this is the case. This is different from creative science - I spoke with a nuclear physics prof once who referred to fusion as simply “an engineering problem” because even though it’s a difficult construction project, none of the creative theory has to be figured out anymore. Frankly, almost all civil engineering these days is this and as long as the tolerances are ok, no one notices or cares.

So why am I blathering on about this? Because it’s very easy to be a working engineer and be a believer in anti-science religion because it won’t impact the plug in bits of doing the same things most engineers have done for the past decades.

Creative science requires a very different type of thinking and while you can find religious people who do science (see many Jesuits) you will find very few fundamentalists who are actual scientists doing real science.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:21:25pm

It’s kind of stupid f funny to watch the Cultists backpedal when they squeal about dumping “illegals” in Sanctuary Cities with take that Libtard! And Dems are like “Good idea! We’ll put them to work and a path towards citizenship…..”

Hey wait!!!

Or telling them “only a year and a half left till we start fixing this mess.”

God damn they get hot.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:21:33pm

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve run across a lot of engineers in the “intelligent design” camp of not evolution. Something in the mindset that goes with that profession I think.

One of my colleagues ,a brilliant computer programmer, was a religious fundamentalist, RWNJ (goes without saying), and an NRA fanatic. He was also a YEC. Knowledge of mathematics and logic doesn’t automatically lead to the correct analysis. Logic depends on the truth of your starting premise; if the initial premise is faulty, then so is everything that arises from that premise.

Very few YECs have read their entire Bible, especially in the original languages. They are regurgitating what they learned in church or religious classes.

I do have to say that most of the GOP donor class do not share this view. Unlike YEC, “Intelligent design” supporters do acknowledge the age of the earth. The Koch Bros do believe in evolution; they are the ultimate libertarian members of the GOP.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:21:34pm

re: #312 jaunte

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:23:18pm
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Old Liberal  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:23:43pm

re: #178 Targetpractice

Because really, when has American armed intervention in South America ever resulted in negative consequences?

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If we’re so fucking good at fixing other countries why don’t we fix Nicaragua and Honduras first? Fucking lying asshole bigots.

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sagehen  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:23:48pm

re: #287 Eclectic Cyborg

She’s just the latest colored woman for the RWNJs to beat up on. Maxine Waters, Kamala Harris, Stacy Abrams, Michelle Obama, Ilhan Omar, Emma Gonzalez.

This is not a new trend.

I know you know this Charles, I’m merely making the statement for the sake of making it.

She’s more crucial to their 2020 plans than just “the latest”. The key to a House majority, the ability to do or prevent whatever you’re hoping to do or prevent, lies in 20-30 purple districts. If Fox and the rest of the right wing can paint one Bronx leading-edge leftie as “typical and representative” of congressional Dems overall… there goes all the committee chairs.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:23:54pm

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

Sorry… YEC?

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:23:56pm
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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:24:12pm

re: #323 Dave In Austin

Young Earth Creationists.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:24:18pm

re: #314 Belafon

It is information warfare, but that’s not the kind they really want. They don’t need conservatives believing Trump is ahead, that will cause conservatives to relax. They need everyone else to believe he is doing so well he will get reelected. And that graphic isn’t going to do it.

It is all about protecting that Trump base which also happens to be their viewership.

You know what is going to save the angry white guys that Trump counts on? A country where they are no longer in the majority and the people of color take over the majority.

They just don’t realize they are being played.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:26:01pm

re: #325 lawhawk

Young Earth Creationists.

Ick! Thx

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:27:26pm

re: #252 jaunte

For some reason they never say “prosecute the employers of undocumented immigrants.”

of course not. we know who is writing all the big checks to the R’s

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:27:45pm

re: #323 Dave In Austin

Sorry… YEC?

Yahoos Enabling Criminals

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:28:20pm

re: #329 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Pronounced: Yeech….

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:30:21pm

re: #322 sagehen

She’s more crucial to their 2020 plans than just “the latest”. The key to a House majority, the ability to do or prevent whatever you’re hoping to do or prevent, lies in 20-30 purple districts. If Fox and the rest of the right wing can paint one Bronx leading-edge leftie as “typical and representative” of congressional Dems overall… there goes all the committee chairs.

“Democrats in Disarray” is not playing well lately, so they are leaning more on “Democrats Veer Hard Left”

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:32:49pm

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Democrats in Disarray” is not playing well lately, so they are leaning more on “Democrats Veer Hard Left”

Which ran smack into “Why don’t you pay your employees enough to live on, CEO?”

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:33:05pm

“She’s a natural diplomat,” Trump said. “She would’ve been great at the United Nations, as an example.”

Asked why he didn’t nominate her, Trump replied: “If I did, they’d say nepotism, when it would’ve had nothing to do with nepotism. But she would’ve been incredible.”

Trump added: “I even thought of Ivanka for the World Bank. . . . She would’ve been great at that because she’s very good with numbers.”

Gaslighting is part of his autonomic nervous system

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:34:39pm

Good with numbers, money laundering for the IRG, accepting jobs from Daddy.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:34:48pm

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“Democrats in Disarray” is not playing well lately, so they are leaning more on “Democrats Veer Hard Left”

And the Bernie Bros are doing their best to help that narrative. Some may be Russian trolls but others are true believers who cannot get it through their thick skulls that the only path to victory involves getting Democrats elected in purple districts — i.e. members of the moderate “corporate sellout” wing of the party

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:36:17pm

re: #291 Backwoods_Sleuth

And I have my doubts that Barr actually read the entire thing.

there’s no way he read, digested and analysed the report and supporting dox before handing that homework assignment in

he obviously had that 4 page thing written well before the report was even in his hands

he may have read it by now and possibly, just possibly, wonders how he’s gonna be able to stand by what he wrote when it eventually comes out

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:37:17pm

re: #336 Man, DangerMan

there’s no way he read, digested and analysed the report and supporting dox before handing that homework assignment in

he obviously had that 4 page thing written well before the report was even in his hands

he may have read it by now and possibly, just possibly, wonders how he’s gonna be able to stand by what he wrote when it eventually comes out

He distanced himself from it within days…

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plansbandc  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:38:48pm

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:38:56pm

re: #336 Man, DangerMan

Lawyers can be voracious readers. After all, we’ve got to go through tons of written materials in prep (from law school forward). I’m thinking that Barr took the summaries and summarized them too, with an eye to spinning them to the best possible light for Trump.

Even still, Barr admits that Trump’s in trouble on obstruction. What we don’t know is the full scope and extent of everything else, and whether Mueller punted on other charges because of the longstanding DOJ rule against indicting a sitting president.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:42:34pm

re: #318 Hecuba’s daughter

One of my colleagues ,a brilliant computer programmer, was a religious fundamentalist, RWNJ (goes without saying), and an NRA fanatic. He was also a YEC. Knowledge of mathematics and logic doesn’t automatically lead to the correct analysis. Logic depends on the truth of your starting premise; if the initial premise is faulty, then so is everything that arises from that premise.

Very few YECs have read their entire Bible, especially in the original languages. They are regurgitating what they learned in church or religious classes.

I do have to say that most of the GOP donor class do not share this view. Unlike YEC, “Intelligent design” supporters do acknowledge the age of the earth. The Koch Bros do believe in evolution; they are the ultimate libertarian members of the GOP.

every religion is a generational game of telephone
even the written texts, though they have now been stable for quite some time, before that were also a multi generational game of telephone

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:45:33pm

re: #333 jaunte

Common Conversation
@dianaaitchison
‘She’s very good with numbers’: Trump says he considered his daughter Ivanka to lead the World Bank washingtonpost.com

3:30 PM - Apr 12, 2019

Gaslighting is part of his autonomic nervous system

How smart are the Trumps with numbers? Not very.

All of the people in this clip are complete idiots. It took them minutes to figure out 17 x 6.

The Trump Files: Watch The Trumps Not Be Able To Multiply 17 By 6

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:46:50pm

re: #337 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He distanced himself from it within days…

he tried but there is no undoing this

he did just what mnunchin did although arguably it was gonna land in his lap directly.

he took responsibility, and more than he should have. he spoke for the report instead of letting it speak for itself. he cant get rid of it now.

you know that mueller and co are going to look at every word of every single redaction

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:47:16pm

re: #330 lawhawk

Pronounced: Yeech….

Beers to you Sir…..

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:50:49pm

re: #339 lawhawk

Lawyers can be voracious readers. After all, we’ve got to go through tons of written materials in prep (from law school forward). I’m thinking that Barr took the summaries and summarized them too, with an eye to spinning them to the best possible light for Trump.

Even still, Barr admits that Trump’s in trouble on obstruction. What we don’t know is the full scope and extent of everything else, and whether Mueller punted on other charges because of the longstanding DOJ rule against indicting a sitting president.

to me he made it look unserious and frivolous.

he could simply have said - i just got handed a 400+ page report plus supporting info. they’ve been working on it for 2 years. it’s gonna take me a couple of days…..

i know what he did and why. he’s a toadie.
there was no actual deadline or urgency

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 12, 2019 • 12:52:57pm

re: #298 Charles Johnson

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Note how many commenters say they had never heard of the Fort Pillow massacre. There is a reason for that. Comprehensive histories of the Civil War have always covered it (see Bruce Catton) but K-12 is another story, especially in the south. When I took Texas History in the 60s, our teacher would refer to Confederate soldiers as “our boys” as she described their heroic deeds in fighting off the yankee hordes. She would actually shed tears at the Lost Cause of the Confederacy and the evils of Reconstruction. If you’re wondering where the crazy racist version of the Civil War comes from, look no further than the public schools of the South. They taught this shit until recently and some of it still gets through.

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:01:29pm

re: #344 Man, DangerMan

to me he made it look unserious and frivolous.

he could simply have said - i just got handed a 400+ page report plus supporting info. they’ve been working on it for 2 years. it’s gonna take me a couple of days…..

i know what he did and why. he’s a toadie.
there was no actual deadline or urgency

Trump made it urgent that he put out his letter ASAP. It was all planned probably as soon as Barr was made AG.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:05:06pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

Trump made it urgent that he put out his letter ASAP. It was all planned probably as soon as Barr was made AG.

I’d put good odds that Barr had that letter ready to go before Muller even filed his report.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:08:09pm

re: #312 jaunte

The White House was put on lockdown Friday after a man on a mobility scooter set himself on fire on the North Lawn.

Daily Fail

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EPR-radar  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:09:02pm

re: #347 Eclectic Cyborg

I’d put good odds that Barr had that letter ready to go before Muller even filed his report.

IMO Barr’s letter, with a few blanks to be filled in, was shown to Trump as part of how Barr got to be AG in the first place.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:10:57pm

re: #346 ObserverArt

Trump made it urgent that he put out his letter ASAP. It was all planned probably as soon as Barr was made AG.

the theater part yes. that’s why he was hired

and apparently barr was not smart enough to consider that the report would see the light of day later if not sooner and that his carefully crafted summary and every legal and political position that rested on it would be outed as pure bullshit

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dell*nix  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:12:02pm

re: #77 Targetpractice

If Pence were POTUS and Trump VPOTUS would an inditement have been issued against Trump?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:12:14pm

Barr did this in the aftermath of Iran Contra too didn’t he? That’s the only reason he’s AG and Trump’s people knew the GOP Senate would confirm him no problem.

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:12:34pm

BWAHAHAHAHA

Federal government data obtained by Mother Jones yet again reveals how useless Donald Trump’s precious border wall would be at preventing criminals from entering the country. That data shows that “criminals are nearly three times as likely to be caught by Customs and Border Protection officers at the country’s northern border,” writes Noah Lanard.

In fact, between October 2016 and February 2019, 43 percent of foreigners convicted of U.S. crimes came through the northern border, while just 15 percent entered through the southern border. The other 42 percent gained entry at ports and airports.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:13:55pm

re: #353 Belafon

BWAHAHAHAHA

Trump is ignorant of the border and his supporters are ever more so.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:14:22pm

re: #353 Belafon

Federal government data obtained by Mother Jones yet again reveals how useless Donald Trump’s precious border wall would be at preventing criminals from entering the country.

It is not even meant to prevent criminals from entering the country, it is there to serve as a symbol of our Nation’s resolve to keep ourselves strong and pure and as a monument to the Trump Presidency

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TedStriker  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:15:10pm

re: #353 Belafon

BWAHAHAHAHA

But, those entering illegally from Canada tend to be white AFAIK, so Trump DGAF.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:15:24pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Trump is ignorant of the border and his supporters are ever more so.

Racism. Plain and simple

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:15:30pm

…oops

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:16:07pm

re: #357 Dave In Austin

Racism. Plain and simple

Of course. It’s all because Hispanics don’t look like them.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:16:25pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:16:36pm

re: #355 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is not even meant to prevent criminals from entering the country, it is there to serve as a symbol of our Nation’s resolve to keep ourselves strong and pure and as a monument to the Trump Presidency

Fascist regimes love symbolism.

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lawhawk  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:16:47pm

These fuckers want to investigate the investigators and think this is entirely called for… based on… nothing more than thinking that it will damage Democrats.

They don’t give a shit about the country, or the damage Trump is doing or has done, or the criminality he surrounded himself with. They’ve gone in with the Trumpists who do nothing but lie.

And yet, they make these statements without actually knowing what the Mueller report says.

That speaks volumes. They’re all so deathly afraid of the contents that they want to besmirch the entire process before they can read it. It’s a tell - and it’s also a warning that this will get so much worse because the GOP continues to put party over nation.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:17:46pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Impeach him, jail him, etc. Funny how Trump and his allies are all about law and order except when it comes to them. Trump needs to rot in a cell.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:18:27pm

right there on CNN

Trump told CBP head he’d pardon him if he were sent to jail for violating immigration law

Two officials briefed on the exchange say the President told McAleenan, since named the acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, that he “would pardon him if he ever went to jail for denying US entry to migrants,” as one of the officials paraphrased.

It was not clear if the comment was a joke; the official was not given any further context on the exchange.

so now they’re arguing whether it was ‘a joke’ or not
because otherwise, that’s gotta be a crime, let alone impeachable

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:18:40pm

re: #362 lawhawk

These fuckers want to investigate the investigators and think this is entirely called for… based on… nothing more than thinking that it will damage Democrats.

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They don’t give a shit about the country, or the damage Trump is doing or has done, or the criminality he surrounded himself with. They’ve gone in with the Trumpists who do nothing but lie.

And yet, they make these statements without actually knowing what the Mueller report says.

That speaks volumes. They’re all so deathly afraid of the contents that they want to besmirch the entire process before they can read it. It’s a tell - and it’s also a warning that this will get so much worse because the GOP continues to put party over nation.

NR being the water carriers for petty right wing fantasies since WFB started defending McCarthy.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:20:00pm

Imagine if The Nation or New Republic called for investigating the Benghazi or Email investigators.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:20:40pm

re: #360 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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gmta
by mere minutes while i was typing it all out….

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:20:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:20:55pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Imagine if The Nation or New Republic called for investigating the Benghazi or Email investigators.

and remember some years ago when they tried to release a report on white supremacist terror?

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:21:27pm

re: #361 HappyWarrior

Fascist regimes love symbolism.

As obama said to bill maher quite a while ago:

they take in symbols and signifiers, not facts and details and positions

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:22:11pm

re: #370 Man, DangerMan

As obama said to bill maher quite a while ago:

Yep and that’s how fascism survives.

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Man, DangerMan  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:23:06pm

re: #363 HappyWarrior

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hey look who’s here.
good to see you

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:23:58pm

re: #369 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and remember some years ago when they tried to release a report on white supremacist terror?

Yep and that was started by the Bush administration no less. But the right wing machine twisted it that Janet Napolitano hated the military since the report correctly noted that military veterans would be targeted by these groups and guess what, it’s true.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:24:17pm

re: #372 Man, DangerMan

^
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hey look who’s here.
good to see you

Hey. Posted some yesterday morning.

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:24:34pm

re: #213 Patricia Kayden

So UKIP isn’t radical enough? Or is this a grifting scheme? Idiot.

Isn’t Bannon over there specifically to destabilze the government?

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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:24:44pm

re: #354 HappyWarrior

Trump is ignorant of the border and his supporters are ever more so.

He made his damn wall and hate of brown people his whole campaign and what he was going to be all about as president.

He knows enough to know that if he can’t pull it off he will be seen as a failure by his funky base.

And Donny hates to be a failure even if everyone knows that is his whole business life.

This is the hill he is going to die on. Death of his political career can’t happen soon enough.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:24:57pm

re: #295 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve run across a lot of engineers in the “intelligent design” camp of not evolution. Something in the mindset that goes with that profession I think.

Such people like nice, clear cut answers to everything. ‘The Great Intelligence wills it’ is nice and perfect.

Of course asking them what evidence there is of that Great Intelligence and what forces it used to create life will get a response of, “LALALALALALALA! I can’t hear you!”

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Dave In Austin  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:25:11pm

He’ll be ruling by decree until further notice

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Belafon  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:26:53pm

We need some protests to demand the release of the report.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:26:58pm

re: #356 TedStriker

But, those entering illegally from Canada tend to be white AFAIK, so Trump DGAF.

Not necessarily. Canada is an ethnically diverse place.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:32:03pm

What concerns me if Trump and the GOP supporters continue with their current approach of stopping any further investigation is an American Reichstag fire: another Hodgkinson will emerge who will succeed in killing several people and Trump will impose marshal law throughout the nation.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:35:23pm

re: #377 Romantic Heretic

Such people like nice, clear cut answers to everything. ‘The Great Intelligence wills it’ is nice and perfect.

Of course asking them what evidence there is of that Great Intelligence and what forces it used to create life will get a response of, “LALALALALALALA! I can’t hear you!”

But they’ll be the first to tell you they were ‘trained in science’.

There’s a reason Scientists are mostly liberal and engineers are far more likely to be conservative. Science is about uncertainty, about embracing the knowledge that even a p value below 0.05 doesn’t mean you’re not wrong.

A LOT of people are more uncomfortable with uncertainty than they are with being wrong.

I was discussing this with a friend who’s a biblical literalist, who told me his worldview was on rock solid ground because it came from God. I told him there is no God, and that the only thing one can be certain of is one’s own existence, and that we can each only infer that reality is in fact real. But if we treat it as though it were, it responds appropriately, so it’s a reasonable working hypothesis. He couldn’t understand how I could possibly tolerate that much uncertainty. He needed the certainty of a deity for the world to make sense to him.

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gocart mozart  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:36:07pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:37:35pm

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

“And just like that, everyone went upstairs and left me all alone.”

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jaunte  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:40:30pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:43:35pm

re: #382 Blind Frog Belly White

But they’ll be the first to tell you they were ‘trained in science’.

There’s a reason Scientists are mostly liberal and engineers are far more likely to be conservative. Science is about uncertainty, about embracing the knowledge that even a p value below 0.05 doesn’t mean you’re not wrong.

A LOT of people are more uncomfortable with uncertainty than they are with being wrong.

I was discussing this with a friend who’s a biblical literalist, who told me his worldview was on rock solid ground because it came from God. I told him there is no God, and that the only thing one can be certain of is one’s own existence, and that we can each only infer that reality is in fact real. But if we treat it as though it were, it responds appropriately, so it’s a reasonable working hypothesis. He couldn’t understand how I could possibly tolerate that much uncertainty. He needed the certainty of a deity for the world to make sense to him.

Uncertainty is every day. Ask your friend if he knows what is coming next as far as his health, the weather, what others are going to ask of him, what accident he may be facing in the future, etc.

It is all uncertain…and his God isn’t going to let him know either.

So what certainty does his intelligent God bring him? None.

He is basing everything on faith and faith has no certainty, only a hope. And everyone, believers or not, have hopes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 12, 2019 • 1:45:45pm

re: #386 ObserverArt

Replying upstairs

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Skip Intro  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:03:43pm

re: #378 Dave In Austin

He’ll be ruling by decree until further notice

Isn’t that called “executive orders”?

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 12, 2019 • 2:39:03pm

Ah the pwning of a superconservative…
I posted a picture of empty land and said “Not a Full Country” and this guy says-
…. turn em loose in the middle of the desert…let them start building a city.

So I said-They did that already. Worked out pretty well the place was called El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora la Reina de Los Ángeles. Aka Los Angeles, aka City of Angels for the Spanish language impaired.

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retired cynic  Apr 12, 2019 • 3:36:46pm

re: #366 HappyWarrior

Imagine if The Nation or New Republic called for investigating the Benghazi or Email investigators.

Hi, nice to see you!


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