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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:23:03am

Take it with a huge grain of salt but… (Source: The Hill)

Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) leads the Democratic presidential field in a new Emerson poll, followed by former Vice President Joe Biden and South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg.

The survey found that Sanders, who has come in second behind Biden in most polling, is leading with 29 percent. Biden, who has not yet announced a 2020 bid, is in second place with 24 percent, followed by Buttigieg at 9 percent.

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and former Rep. Beto O’Rourke (D-Texas) are tied for fourth place at 8 percent, followed by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at 7 percent.

The poll is one of several showing the meteoric rise of Buttigieg, despite his relatively low name recognition just a few months ago.

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Alephnaught  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:25:16am

Oh my goodness.

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Interesting Times  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:25:22am

Ha:

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:26:01am

Periscope livestream of the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.

It’s……not looking good.

pscp.tv

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:28:54am
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Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:29:05am

re: #4 Dr Lizardo

Periscope livestream of the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.

It’s……not looking good.

pscp.tv

This is tragic, and it really looks like it might burn to the ground.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:29:07am

(repeat from last thread)

So Quasimodo is going on vacation and puts an ad in the paper for a replacement bell ringer. A fellow shows up both arms in a cast. Q asks how he expects to ring the bell, the fellow answers that he will just bang it really hard with his head.

He goes to demonstrate, takes a running start, but then trips and flies over the parapet. Q hobbles down where a gendarme is standing and asks if he knows the man, “No,” replies Q, but that face rings a bell!”

Next day the man’s brother shows up, who likewise has both arms in a cast. Q invites him to have a go but warns him of what happened the day before. He likewise trips and balls to his death.

Q hobbles down where the gendarme again asks him if he knows the man. “No,” he replies, “but he is a dead ringer for his brother!”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:29:57am

Awful. It’s such an iconic structure.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:30:00am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

This is tragic, and it really looks like it might burn to the ground.

Looks like the person on Periscope is offline. The police probably moved everyone out of the area.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:32:24am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:32:48am

Parts of the roof have collapsed at Notre Dame.

Oh man. This is bad.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:34:32am

re: #11 Dr Lizardo

Parts of the roof have collapsed at Notre Dame.

Oh man. This is bad.

Looking at the extent of the fire, I’m having difficulty believing this was accidental.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:35:19am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:36:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:37:02am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:37:15am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

Looking at the extent of the fire, I’m having difficulty believing this was accidental.

That’s a damned old building and frankly, I’d imagine that sections of it are basically a firetrap, a catastrophe waiting to happen.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:38:23am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

Looking at the extent of the fire, I’m having difficulty believing this was accidental.

OTOH, it’s an ancient building, so very likely to burn fast. We had a church fire in Stockholm, and it was a loss, Katarina Church burned in 1990.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:40:05am

That fire is a long way from being under control.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:40:18am

Mayor of Paris:

A terrible fire is underway at Notre-Dame Cathedral in Paris. They @PompiersParis‘re trying to control the flames. We are mobilized on site in close connection with the @dioceseparis. I invite each and every one to respect the perimeter of security.

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:41:05am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

Looking at the extent of the fire, I’m having difficulty believing this was accidental.

800 year old wood? Unfortunately, that’s very easy to imagine going up like this. All it takes is a candle in the wrong place.

I expect there will be plenty of claims and conspiracy theories but the reality is some worker probably made a mistake and off it goes.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:41:10am

re: #17 Teukka

OTOH, it’s an ancient building, so very likely to burn fast. We had a church fire in Stockholm, and it was a loss Katarina Church

The rebuilt church will have a fire suppression system.

“As it was, where it was.”
—Abbot of Monte Cassino

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Alephnaught  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:41:44am
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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:42:02am

re: #21 Decatur Deb

The rebuilt church will have a fire suppression system.

“As it was, where it was.”
—Abbot of Monte Cassino

Or at least more than enough dry risers.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:42:40am

I can watch Notre Dame burning from a thousand miles away, but yet they still don’t have water on it. A very sad day.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:44:01am

re: #23 Teukka

Or at least more than enough dry risers.

Thinking NASA-tech.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:44:13am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:44:19am

re: #20 William Lewis

800 year old wood? Unfortunately, that’s very easy to imagine going up like this. All it takes is a candle in the wrong place.

I expect there will be plenty of claims and conspiracy theories but the reality is some worker probably made a mistake and off it goes.

Look at what happened to the Normandie. A welder’s spark torched the whole damn ship, and she certainly wasn’t old at the time of her loss.

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Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:44:41am

re: #20 William Lewis

800 year old wood? Unfortunately, that’s very easy to imagine going up like this. All it takes is a candle in the wrong place.

I expect there will be plenty of claims and conspiracy theories but the reality is some worker probably made a mistake and off it goes.

True, but given the amount of renovations over the years, is all or even most of the wood even original?

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Alephnaught  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:45:23am

re: #20 William Lewis

800 year old wood? Unfortunately, that’s very easy to imagine going up like this. All it takes is a candle in the wrong place.

I expect there will be plenty of claims and conspiracy theories but the reality is some worker probably made a mistake and off it goes.

A lot of the smoke I saw is consistent with wood burning.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:45:42am

re: #15 Backwoods_Sleuth

This has the very worrisome potential of being turned into a Reichstag-like conspiracy theory by the French far right.

I am sure that if you look in the right places, you will find that happening as we write…

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:46:44am

I’m not saying this is arson, but given the previous pattern…

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:48:28am

re: #28 Mike Lamb

True, but given the amount of renovations over the years, is all or even most of the wood even original?

All it takes is for a spark to set a fire into the trusses and roof, where it can’t be easily fought from below or above, and it can spread throughout the roof structures. Even modern construction has similar issues, especially with lightweight trusses that can collapse if fire damages particular components. You also don’t want to imperil firefighters trying to stop the flames on a structure that is compromised due to the spreading fire.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:48:34am

re: #31 Teukka

This fire seems to have started on the roof, in an area not open to tourists. I’d think it’d be quite difficult for a would-be arsonist to get up there.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:48:41am

Can’t see how this survives. I doubt any of the cames, no matter the material, can hold up to the heat being generated

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:49:03am

moron

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:04am

re: #31 Teukka

I’m not saying this is arson, but given the previous pattern…

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This is my fear as well.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:09am

re: #12 Mike Lamb

Looking at the extent of the fire, I’m having difficulty believing this was accidental.

Given the age of the building I expect that any fire started up in the roof area would spread rapidly. And be very very hard to control and put out.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:14am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Shut the fuck up, Donnie.

Sure….water tankers. What could possibly go wrong?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:29am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be used to put it out. Must act quickly!

Boeing 737 water tankers!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:34am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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It’s not a forest fire you idiot.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:50:55am

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can’t see how this survives. I doubt any of the cames, no matter the material, can hold up to the heat being generated

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That old? The cames are most likely lead (Pb). 😭Will melt at less than 200 degrees C.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:51:01am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Too late now for anything. French firefighters, AKA cellar savers.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:51:19am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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I knew he’d say something stupid.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:52:21am

And I know him or his asshole sons will RT a conspiracy theory too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:52:34am

re: #40 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s not a forest fire you idiot.

Notre Dame should have had more brooms and rakes on hand…

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:52:35am

re: #42 Shropshire Slasher

Fire departments around the world have similar outlooks when it comes to protecting structures and rescuing people. People come first, and not to put their own at risk. This is a historic structure, but one that is looking increasingly compromised. They don’t want to risk losing firefighters due to a collapse; and will try to minimize the damage as best as they can.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:52:45am

re: #43 HappyWarrior

I knew he’d say something stupid.

So far he has not attacked the French for not raking their cathedrals…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:53:02am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So far he has not attacked the French for not raking their cathedrals…

Not yet.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:53:38am

I didn’t realize the Huckabee’s worshipped Zeus.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:54:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:54:21am
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:55:06am

re: #47 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So far he has not attacked the French for not raking their cathedrals…

If only they’d raked the roof more often!

- Trump, probably.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:55:57am

re: #51 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sounds right to me. And he’s going to rage at Barr too.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 10:59:32am

Jeez, the spire collapsed.

This is a heartbreaking architectural loss.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:01:20am

re: #42 Shropshire Slasher

Too late now for anything. French firefighters, AKA cellar savers.

You eat freedom fries don’t you?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:02:18am
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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:02:21am

re: #55 ObserverArt

I still see no water on it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:03:23am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:04:15am

re: #52 Dr Lizardo

If only they’d raked the roof more often!

- Trump, probably.

Need to clean all the leaves out of the gutters more often. Perhaps by running molten lead through them?
//

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:04:18am

re: #54 Dr Lizardo

Jeez, the spire collapsed.

This is a heartbreaking architectural loss.

The worst thing about this fire is that it has started in a classic old Gothic structure that by its architectural nature is fragile. Lose any support in any one spot and it is going to cause tremendous damage.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:04:56am

re: #57 Shropshire Slasher

I still see no water on it.

LET’S WATERBOMB THAT SUMBITCH!

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jimmyvluv4u  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:05:34am

re: #60 ObserverArt

Based on the current video, the back part (at least) of that church is likely to collapse. That probably explains that lack of obvious firefighting happening in that area.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:05:47am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:06:45am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:07:20am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A class act.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:08:19am

9-1-1, I’d like to report a burn

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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:08:30am

re: #6 Mike Lamb

This is tragic, and it really looks like it might burn to the ground.

Isn’t it all… stone?

The furnishings and contents may burn, the stained glass may all crack, but pretty sure there’d still be a skeleton of a building standing. Buttresses and all.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:09:22am

re: #66 Backwoods_Sleuth

9-1-1, I’d like to report a burn

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Boom.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:09:40am
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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:11:08am

re: #67 sagehen

Isn’t it all… stone?

The furnishings and contents may burn, the stained glass may all crack, but pretty sure there’d still be a skeleton of a building standing. Buttresses and all.

Significant portions are stone, but if the fire is that intense, it could weaken the stone/mortar and cause displacement resulting in additional collapses - to say nothing of the collapsing roof might do on the walls and adjacent structures.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:11:57am

re: #69 teleskiguy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:13:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:14:39am
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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:14:51am

re: #69 teleskiguy

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:15:49am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:16:39am

re: #70 lawhawk

Significant portions are stone, but if the fire is that intense, it could weaken the stone/mortar and cause displacement resulting in additional collapses - to say nothing of the collapsing roof might do on the walls and adjacent structures.

With a will, the degree of possible reconstruction and restoration is incredible. After a series of earthquakes brought down most of the Franciscan basilica in Assissi, bits of fresco the size of a little finger’s nail were collected and replaced. But you have to want it.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:18:18am

re: #76 Decatur Deb

With a will, the degree of possible reconstruction and restoration is incredible. After a series of earthquakes brought down most of the Franciscan basilica in Assissi, bits of fresco the size of a little finger’s nail were collected and replaced. But you have to want it.

I think the French will make an effort to rebuild it. They’ve rebuilt other cathedrals across France, including in Reims. It’s too important not to.

And I feel sorry for parishioners especially since this is happening during Holy Week.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:19:51am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:21:23am
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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:22:25am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

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What an interesting post of missing context. Having paid over $2 million in taxes is a fairly meaningless statement unless you know what the total income was. It says a 30% effective tax rate, but that is a number that can be cherrypicked as well, especially since rates are marginal. As for expenses in authoring a book, that can be substantial given time and effort doing research, hiring fact checkers, etc. An advance from a publisher is not all profit, it’s an advance towards covering some of these expenses.

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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:22:31am

re: #75 Backwoods_Sleuth
re: #78 Backwoods_Sleuth

I hope these are related stories…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:22:34am

re: #73 Backwoods_Sleuth

When you go looking for a problem and can’t find one so you make shit up instead.

They already nailed a prominent Democrat on a dodgy children’s book deal, so they are looking for more…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:23:25am

Have they started torching Mosques yet in pre-emptive retribution?

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:23:38am

re: #77 lawhawk

I think the French will make an effort to rebuild it. They’ve rebuilt other cathedrals across France, including in Reims. It’s too important not to.

And I feel sorry for parishioners especially since this is happening during Holy Week.

So, how many tweets or Facebook stuff from the loony evangelical right so far saying that this is God punishing the French and/or Catholics?

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:25:18am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thought they were just building the mosque on top of the old Notre Dame Cathedral.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:25:58am

thread

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:26:06am

re: #83 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Have they started torching Mosques yet in pre-emptive retribution?

The thing is, what I’m reading about the previous attacks on Catholic Churches don’t have the Muslim fanatic “feel” to it, more like Protestant or Evangelical fanatic “feel”…

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:27:43am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

MUST ACT QUICKLY!!!!!

Thanks, Donnie, that’s a big help.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:28:48am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

FLYING WATER TANKERS!!!!!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:30:42am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:32:06am

Those buttresses will last forever. And I’m sure there are intricate drawings off site. This can be rebuilt.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:33:05am

re: #91 Dave In Austin

Those buttresses will last forever. And I’m sure there are intricate drawings off site. This can be rebuilt.

It could probably be 3D printed back to its former form.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:33:19am

An answer to why you’re not seeing a lot of water being applied to all areas of the church early on. Save what can be saved I guiess

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BlueGrl21  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:33:22am

I study and visit cathedrals all over the world. Have been to Notre Dame Paris many times. As heartbreaking as it is to watch it fall, the French will rebuild it. It has been through many incarnations over its history, being the church of Paris. Sacked, burnt, statues destroyed, it is a living cathedral. And it will be rebuilt, salvaging what can be salvaged.

If Notre Dame de Chartres ever is lost I will cry for months.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:33:24am
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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:34:04am

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Maybe they could just rebrand it.

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Teukka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:34:15am

re: #86 Backwoods_Sleuth

thread

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:34:24am

re: #72 Backwoods_Sleuth

Wow, it took almost TWO HUNDRED years to build? Amazing. There were probably multiple generations of families who worked on that thing.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:35:16am

re: #96 Skip Intro

Maybe they could just rebrand it.

I understand ruins are a great draw for tourists.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:35:40am

re: #92 Belafon

It could probably be 3D printed back to its former form.

No, but you watch. Donny will start crowing about wanting to sell them American steel or some such tasteless shit.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:36:19am

Our Lady of Paris in flames. Emotion of a whole nation. Thought for all Catholics and for all French. Like all our countrymen, I’m sad tonight to see this part of us burn.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:37:38am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, it took almost TWO HUNDRED years to build? Amazing. There were probably multiple generations of families who worked on that thing.

The Pillars of the Earth

Been done to death.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:37:53am
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jimmyvluv4u  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:38:54am

Part of a thread by someone with serious firefighting experience…

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:40:13am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Wow, it took almost TWO HUNDRED years to build? Amazing. There were probably multiple generations of families who worked on that thing.

Not much different than Anotonio Gaudi’s La Sagrada Familia with its epic project dates.

Gaudi was also the last official album for the Alan Pasrsons Project.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:42:00am

I thought of this.

God Help The Outcasts

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Mike Lamb  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:44:41am

A little surprising to me that they wouldn’t have fire-boats that might be able to help/keep the responders out of harm’s way, given the proximity of lots of apartment buildings to the Seine.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:44:46am

re: #80 Feline Fearless Leader

What an interesting post of missing context … As for expenses in authoring a book, that can be substantial given time and effort doing research, hiring fact checkers, etc. An advance from a publisher is not all profit, it’s an advance towards covering some of these expenses.

I just heard part of a ‘Fresh Air’ interview with an author who moved from NYC to the Texas Hill Country to live with his wife for three years while researching part of his biography of LBJ. I wonder how his accountant allocates costs?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:44:54am

gutted during the French Revolution and then rebuilt

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:47:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:48:41am

There’s a small but beautiful Catholic Church about a stones throw from the beach here in Biloxi. It’s been nearly destroyed by two major hurricanes (Camille and Katrina) and damaged in others, but it’s been rebuilt every single time.

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ipsos  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:48:45am

re: #108 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I just heard part of a ‘Fresh Air’ interview with an author who moved from NYC to the Texas Hill Country to live with his wife for three years while researching part of his biography of LBJ. I wonder how his accountant allocates costs?

That would be the legendary Robert Caro, who’s all over the news at the moment because he’s just out with a book about his (unusual and semi-insane) writing process. Many of us, present company included, are waiting with bated breath for him to complete the last volume of that LBJ biography.

Since his sole business is writing those books, I’d imagine just about anything qualifies as an expense related thereto.

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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:48:58am

Science fiction Grand Master Gene Wolfe has passed away.

The science fiction and fantasy community has lost a beloved icon. We are extremely sad to report that author and SFWA Grand Master Gene Wolfe passed away on Sunday, April 14, 2019 after his long battle with heart disease. He was 87.

Gene Wolfe was born in New York on May 7, 1931. He studied at Texas A&M for a few years before dropping out and fighting in the Korean War. After his return to the US he finished his degree at the University of Houston. He was an engineer, and worked as the editor of the professional journal Plant Engineering. He was also instrumental in inventing the machine that cooks Pringles potato chips. He pursued his own writing during his editorial tenure at Plant Engineering, but it took a few years before one of his books gained wider notice in the sci-fi community: the novella that eventually became The Fifth Head of Cerberus.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:49:12am

re: #110 Backwoods_Sleuth

Russia? North Korea?

Or maybe another wannabe Snowden?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:50:06am

re: #113 makeitstop

Science fiction Grand Master Gene Wolfe has passed away.

What a fascinating career path.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:50:25am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

From what I’ve been reading, Notre Dame was pretty beat up by the time of the mid-19th century restoration; apparently, it was badly in need of repairs.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:51:05am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Russia? North Korea?

Or maybe another wannabe Snowden?

Could even be Trumpers.

Our lousy president has made the FBI a target for his crazy base.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:51:12am

This is really GOP/Benghazi rescue thinking. Just assume the assets are within easy reach and can be deployed quickly.

Sécurité Civile does have a sizable force of fire-fighting aircraft but they are based in Marseille, several hundred miles from Paris, to say nothing of the ground support that would have to be positioned at a nearby airport.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:51:30am

Yogi Berra was more eloquent

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:51:43am

re: #117 ObserverArt

You really think Trumpers are skilled enough to pull this off?

Half /

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:51:44am

re: #116 Dr Lizardo

From what I’ve been reading, Notre Dame was pretty beat up by the time of the mid-19th century restoration; apparently, it was badly in need of repairs.

I think that is the main reason Victor Hugo wrote The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:54:21am

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yogi Berra was more eloquent

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the shoulders of his suit jackets just keep getting more and more ridiculous

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:54:41am

re: #91 Dave In Austin

Those buttresses will last forever. And I’m sure there are intricate drawings off site. This can be rebuilt.

They rebuilt Koln. They can rebuild Notre-Dame.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:55:25am

You know, I just caught this on the Wiki page about Notre Dame. Apparently, during the 1963 cleaning,

the facade was cleaned of the centuries of soot and grime, restoring it to its original off-white color.[18]

Stones damaged by air pollution were replaced, and a discreet system of electrical wires, not visible from below, was installed on the roof to deter pigeons. Another major cleaning and restoration program was commenced in 1991.

Hmm.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:55:56am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:56:09am

Spring Cleaning Update:

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makeitstop  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:57:11am

re: #122 Backwoods_Sleuth

the shoulders of his suit jackets just keep getting more and more ridiculous

Gotta create the illusion of proportion with his lard butt.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 11:57:14am

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Or the fact that dumping water like that on a fragile structure is more likely to cause *more* damage. These know nothings just rant on about anything that flits in their gaze.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:00:03pm
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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:01:30pm

re: #128 lawhawk

Or the fact that dumping water like that on a fragile structure is more likely to cause *more* damage. These know nothings just rant on about anything that flits in their gaze.

There’s a shit-ton of artwork stored there; extensive basement/catacombs containing paintings, drawings, documents, manuscripts….

Water wouldn’t save the building, and it would destroy all the contents they’re furiously trying to rescue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:03:27pm

#NotreDame 🇫🇷: the fire is not controlled for the time being. Follow the latest live information on our website ➡ f24.my

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:05:47pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:05:56pm

According to Jean-Louis Cohen, an architectural historian, the parts of the roof that burned out were indeed the original 12th century timbers.

Damn. Utterly irreplaceable and quite possibly the single worst place a fire could’ve broken out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:10:23pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:11:21pm

re: #112 ipsos

That would be the legendary Robert Caro, who’s all over the news at the moment because he’s just out with a book about his (unusual and semi-insane) writing process. Many of us, present company included, are waiting with bated breath for him to complete the last volume of that LBJ biography.

Since his sole business is writing those books, I’d imagine just about anything qualifies as an expense related thereto.

Um, yeah, so why is he spending time talking about a book that he wrote that is not the final last volume of the LBJ biography?

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ipsos  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:12:51pm

re: #135 Sir John Barron

Um, yeah, so why is he spending time talking about a book that he wrote that is not the final last volume of the LBJ biography?

You’re not the only one wondering that!!!

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:14:03pm
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KGxvi  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:15:18pm

re: #119 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

think they had to explain to him it was the college football stadium?

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:16:20pm

re: #136 ipsos

You’re not the only one wondering that!!!

Robert Caro makes GRRM look like a piker.

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KGxvi  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:16:38pm

re: #137 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

so hi foreign policy is just shit rather than absolute shit?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:17:46pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:19:08pm

fire is now in at least one of the four towers

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:23:52pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:25:41pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

Great big fires everywhere, very fires. All over.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:26:04pm

I see Trump is going award Tiger Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom for winning a golf tournament.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:26:11pm

re: #144 Sir John Barron

Great big fires everywhere, very fires. All over.

YUGE!

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thecommodore  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:27:46pm

In which Dennis Prager’s “PragerU” retweets Paul Joseph Watson’a speculation on the Notre Dame fire.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:28:08pm
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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:28:44pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

fire is now in at least one of the four towers

Yeah, just saw that. There’s a lot of wood in that building and it looks like a good deal of that wood was several centuries old.

From what I’ve been reading here and there, the restoration work that was being carried out was considered to be quite urgent.

What a damn shame. Notre-dame de Paris is one of the most iconic buildings anywhere. It’s almost instantly recognizable and certainly, if nothing else, an icon of Paris, right up there with the Eiffel Tower and the Arc de Triomphe.

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Citizen K  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:28:53pm

re: #147 thecommodore

In which Dennis Prager’s “PragerU” retweets Paul Joseph Watson’a speculation on the Notre Dame fire.

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Or maybe, just maybe, those labels apply a lot wider than you want to admit, you incredible supermassive asshat.

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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:29:49pm

re: #133 Dr Lizardo

According to Jean-Louis Cohen, an architectural historian, the parts of the roof that burned out were indeed the original 12th century timbers.

Damn. Utterly irreplaceable and quite possibly the single worst place a fire could’ve broken out.

Sad to hear that but it doesn’t surprise me.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:30:01pm

Kevin needs a beating. Please see Kevin’s brainstorm tweet and ratio. You can add your own beating if you like.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:32:17pm

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:33:03pm
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William Lewis  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:33:40pm

re: #152 Dave In Austin

Kevin needs a beating. Please see Kevin’s brainstorm tweet and ratio. You can add your own beating if you like.

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If I were on twitter…

How about being a single dad earning $11,900 this year? Did the tax scam help me, asswipe?

$52k? In my dreams.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:33:48pm

re: #153 Skip Intro

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I saw that and thought of Gort from “The Day the Earth Stood Still”.
(the good version mind you)

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:35:47pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

That’s some small bit of good news, at least.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:36:28pm

re: #145 Skip Intro

I see Trump is going award Tiger Woods the Presidential Medal of Freedom for winning a golf tournament.

Tiger Woods has really won a lot of golf. Not many people know that.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:37:42pm

re: #158 Sir John Barron

He also helped Trump promote his golf course a couple of months ago.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:38:18pm

re: #159 Skip Intro

He also helped Trump promote his golf course a couple of months ago.

That is what he is getting the PMOF for. Nothing more.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:38:44pm

France emergency response team has this to say to Trump

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:39:06pm

re: #160 MsJ

That is what he is getting the PMOF for. Nothing more.

Oh wait, the award is serious?

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:40:43pm

Because I am apparently mentally twisted beyond repair, I read this as Flombah (Flambe) News.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:40:53pm

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:40:54pm

re: #161 The Vicious Babushka

France emergency response team has this to say to Trump

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Donny knows Real Estate

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:41:21pm

re: #162 Sir John Barron

Yes.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:41:24pm

re: #162 Sir John Barron

Oh wait, the award is serious?

Who knows…why not? It’s trumptown.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:42:34pm

re: #167 MsJ

Who knows…why not? It’s trumptown.

Yep….. Double takes all around.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:42:38pm

o.m.g.

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lawhawk  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:42:57pm

re: #165 Dave In Austin

Donny knows Real Estate

Does this mean that a Trump property in Paris is now the tallest in the city?

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:43:47pm

Of course it’s serious.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:44:09pm

O_o

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:44:50pm

Trump evaluates a new Air Force One:

This actually doesn’t deliver a huge amount of water compared to what top fire departments can pump through their hoses, and it doesn’t hit like a tsunami from the sky since water, being liquid and all, will slow down and disperse almost instantly. It does hit all at once, though, which can cause severe structural stress ie, collapse in a weak structure. Besides, trying to fly something like this across Paris at drop height would violate every safety regulation, protocol and rule of thumb invented since the Wright Brothers, in the unlikely event that it was even possible at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:47:00pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:48:18pm
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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:48:59pm

I’m waiting for Trump to offer a special deal at the Trump Store where 5% of all purchaces will be placed in a Trump managed fund and donated towards the rebuilding of Nortre Dame at some time in the future if the French are nice to him.

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KGxvi  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:49:20pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

(He doesn’t know about renovation, despite being a “real estate genius”, because he’s actually a glorified slum lord)

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:50:45pm

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:52:56pm

Time to call it a night. Have a good one, Lizards.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:53:13pm

Next time someone sez Dems are for “Open Borders”

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:53:19pm
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steve_davis  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:54:07pm

re: #16 Dr Lizardo

That’s a damned old building and frankly, I’d imagine that sections of it are basically a firetrap, a catastrophe waiting to happen.

yeah, my first thought was, imagine what happens when all the stuff that wouldn’t burn has basically evaporated over 800 years and left pieces of wood that might spontaneously combust if an oil rag was carelessly left on a beam.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:56:59pm

re: #175 Backwoods_Sleuth

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steve_davis  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:57:02pm

re: #31 Teukka

I’m not saying this is arson, but given the previous pattern…

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“human excrement smeared on a cross….” Can somebody text Assange’s cat just to find out where Assange was at the time?

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steve_davis  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:58:19pm

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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hey donald, maybe we could drop you on it and see if you could smother flames. i think it would be worth a try.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:58:20pm

re: #173 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump evaluates a new Air Force One:

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This actually doesn’t deliver a huge amount of water compared to what top fire departments can pump through their hoses, and it doesn’t hit like a tsunami from the sky since water, being liquid and all, will slow down and disperse almost instantly. Besides, trying to fly something like this across Paris at drop height would violate every safety regulation, protocol and rule of thumb invented since the Wright Brothers, in the unlikely event that it was even possible at all.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 12:59:38pm
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thecommodore  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:00:51pm

re: #147 thecommodore

In which Dennis Prager’s “PragerU” retweets Paul Joseph Watson’a speculation on the Notre Dame fire.

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Sorry, I posted the wrong tweet.

Here’s the correct one:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:01:29pm

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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thecommodore  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:01:56pm

I have reported @PragerU, for hate speech.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:02:01pm

re: #188 thecommodore

Sorry, I posted the wrong tweet.

Here’s the correct one:

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Prager is such a hack.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:02:14pm

re: #185 steve_davis

hey donald, maybe we could drop you on it and see if you could smother flames. i think it would be worth a try.

i dunno…he’s such a yuge gasbag it could be very explosive.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:02:16pm
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Romantic Heretic  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:04:42pm

re: #34 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Can’t see how this survives. I doubt any of the cames, no matter the material, can hold up to the heat being generated

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I think, more than anything, the loss of those windows hurts the most.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:06:26pm

re: #187 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:07:11pm

Sadly, it’s being reported on Czech news that French firefighters are saying they may not be able to save Notre Dame Cathedral. It’s looking like it could well be a total loss.

Truly a damn shame.

Alright, time to call it a day.

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Romantic Heretic  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:08:00pm

re: #49 Belafon

Just when I’d hoped that I’d never hear of that crazy brand again.

Arrrrgh!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:08:30pm
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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:09:34pm

re: #194 Romantic Heretic

I think, more than anything, the loss of those windows hurts the most.

As author of that tweet, by no means trying to diminish the loss of what were still very historically relevant items, but it was pretty much Theseus’ stained glass already.
Still a huge loss, of course.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:11:08pm

Good grief.

I am NOTHING resembling a fire fighting expert, but even I know it would be ridiculously stupid to use water bombers in a dense urban area like that.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:11:59pm

“Trump” and “ridiculously stupid” seems to be a constant combination in this day and age.

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steve_davis  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:12:40pm

re: #93 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

An answer to why you’re not seeing a lot of water being applied to all areas of the church early on. Save what can be saved I guiess

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the “crown of thorns” is in there (sorry, I know catholics love shit like that, but to me it falls into the same realm as “box of Christ’s fingers: now with 20% more fingers!” there’s a very good reason why Martin Luther was deeply suspicious of iconography.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:13:29pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Good grief.

I am NOTHING resembling a fire fighting expert, but even I know it would be ridiculously stupid to use water bombers in a dense urban area like that.

A commercial for Fox’s 911 showed a tanker dropping water on a burning neighborhood, with a clip telling the firefighters to get under the truck before the water hit. I wonder if Trump saw that commercial.

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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:14:56pm

re: #202 steve_davis

the “crown of thorns” is in there (sorry, I know catholics love shit like that, but to me it falls into the same realm as “box of Christ’s fingers: now with 20% more fingers!” there’s a very good reason why Martin Luther was deeply suspicious of iconography.

My Humanities of Western Civilization teacher (high school) used to say that if you added up all the “actual” slivers of “the true cross” found in various European churches… you’d have enough wood to build the Ark.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:17:44pm

re: #202 steve_davis

the “crown of thorns” is in there (sorry, I know catholics love shit like that, but to me it falls into the same realm as “box of Christ’s fingers: now with 20% more fingers!” there’s a very good reason why Martin Luther was deeply suspicious of iconography.

Hell of an apology there Steve.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:18:44pm

Thought I would tune in that ever-reliable barometer of derp, Free Republic, to see what the RWNJs make of the Notre Dame fire. I got a twofer, a Rush Limbaugh story with freeper comments.
Notre Dame Engulfed in Flames
So far, an actual majority of the comments implicate Muslims in the fire, despite a complete absence of evidence. They don’t need evidence, that’s a Democrat thing. I was puzzled by this one, though:

Sept 11th - twin towers
April 15th - twin towers

Coincidence?

Huh? What? Is there some derpalogical connection between these dates, setting aside that there are more than two towers at Notre Dame?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:20:13pm

The Rothschild tweet is the end of a short thread

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:20:38pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:25:59pm

re: #206 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Funny exchange among the derpologists:
Freeper “Hostage:”

“This is similar to what it would be like if the White House was burning out of control.

It is a symbol of such historical importance to France that I am surprised there is no protection in place for such incidents.

It’s not just the exterior structure, there are countless items of art and historical significance inside.

Whatever caused it, I hope it wakes the French people up.”

Freeper “Kaslin:”

“The White House was burned down by arsonists before.”

The British army burned down Notre Dame? Albion perfide!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:26:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:29:36pm
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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:30:21pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Later, in the news: “Two American men wearing MAGA hats were arrested for started the fire at Notre Dame Cathedral.”
Right: “It was just an accident.”

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steve_davis  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:31:55pm

re: #155 William Lewis

If I were on twitter…

How about being a single dad earning $11,900 this year? Did the tax scam help me, asswipe?

$52k? In my dreams.

you and me both, brother. i didn’t have the kids to support, but slightly less than 12k even on myself was only possible because I had an enormous cache of money from the last 5 months of 2017, when Devry for some odd reason decided to work my ass off for 6 months straight as a visiting prof. I’m one of the examples of how the economy actually works once you get down past theory. In theory, I often make a decent living. When the economy is holding up and folks aren’t going back to school, I’m a Ronin trying to get a gig with a new master, while pretending I haven’t sold my sword for a bamboo replacement, ages ago.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:33:26pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:33:41pm

What a loss

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:38:01pm

Limbaugh on the Notre Dame fire.

RUSH: Notre Dame Cathedral continues to burn. The main spire there has collapsed. That’s one of the identifying architectural aspects of the cathedral. All the pictures that I have seen — and I haven’t had a chance to gaze for a long time at any of it — I don’t see any firefighting. I don’t see any water being sprayed on this — ah. There’s some. There’s some. But not on the main blaze. I guess they’re trying to save other parts of the roof. Looks like it’s a wood roof that’s just going up like balsa.

As usual, the ditto-heads have picked up the cue and are now accusing Macron and the Paris Fire Brigade of letting the place burn down on purpose, all because an ignorant fat guy thousands of miles away does not understand what he is seeing.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:39:10pm

What’s the over-under of more mosque attacks because the contractor messed up…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:39:12pm
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Jay C  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:39:17pm

re: #204 sagehen

My Humanities of Western Civilization teacher (high school) used to say that if you added up all the “actual” slivers of “the true cross” found in various European churches… you’d have enough wood to build the Ark.

Actually, supposedly ((someone having done the doubtlessly-diligent research) all the reasonably-well attested fragments of the “True Cross” would mass about (?) 2 cubic feet of wood. Which, since a Roman crucifixion cross would contain something like (?) 16 cu ft, means there’s a lot that’s gotten lost…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:39:19pm

*THUD*

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Eric The Fruit Bat  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:44:10pm

While everyone is glued to the travesty the NRA slipped this little tidbit under the radar:

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The National Rifle Association is suing its longtime ad agency over accusations the company has withheld crucial financial details in its billing.

The lawsuit filed Friday in Alexandria, Virginia, says Oklahoma City-based Ackerman McQueen is contractually bound to show documentation on its bills to the NRA. But the NRA says the firm has only partly complied or “baldly ignored” requests for more information.

The lawsuit says that in 2017 the NRA paid Ackerman McQueen and a subsidiary more than $40 million.

A phone message left with Ackerman McQueen and an email for media inquiries were not immediately returned Monday.

Ackerman McQueen and the NRA have worked together since the 1980s. The company runs NRATV, which livestreams gun rights commentary and advocacy for the NRA.

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danarchy  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:45:21pm

re: #217 GlutenFreeJesus

What’s the over-under of more mosque attacks because the contractor messed up…

Do we know a contractor messed up? I believe they were still holding services and tours during the renovations and from what I heard a service had let out just minutes before the fire had started. I think the one thing we can say for sure is there is going to be a lot of litigation and finger pointing once the flames are doused.

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:47:15pm

re: #216 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Limbaugh on the Notre Dame fire.

As usual, the ditto-heads have picked up the cue and are now accusing Macron and the Paris Fire Brigade of letting the place burn down on purpose, all because an ignorant fat guy thousands of miles away does not understand what he is seeing.

So you’re saying there’s been a pretty quick pivot from ‘thoughts and prayers’ to ‘how come the teachers aren’t armed’?

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:47:51pm

re: #222 danarchy

Yeah really just speculation on my part. Of course, time will tell. But the fact that the usual suspects are already blaming Muslims… well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:48:31pm

The French have a long running reputation as being pushovers, but trust me when I say that it is NOT a good idea to piss off the French, ESPECIALLY when it comes to something as symbolic as the Cathedral.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:49:16pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

*THUD*

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Why can’t he say anything right?

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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:50:36pm

re: #223 Sir John Barron

So you’re saying there’s been a pretty quick pivot from ‘thoughts and prayers’ to ‘how come the teachers aren’t armed’?

Sorry, I mean there’s been a quick pivot from thoughts and prayers to how come the teachers aren’t armed to how do we even know this a real building, level of conspiracy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:50:57pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:51:10pm

re: #152 Dave In Austin

Kevin needs a beating. Please see Kevin’s brainstorm tweet and ratio. You can add your own beating if you like.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:51:38pm

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg

Not sure why you down dinged this CleverToad but I would like to state for the record that I am NOT a Bernie supporter and never will be.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:52:09pm
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CleverToad  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:52:29pm

re: #231 Eclectic Cyborg

Fat finger fix (oooops)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:53:54pm

re: #233 CleverToad

Lol, okay, good deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:55:07pm
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banditqueen  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:56:30pm

re: #220 Backwoods_Sleuth

“It might be greater than almost any museum in the world & it’s burning very badly, looks like it’s burning to the ground. So that puts a damper on what we’re about to say, to be honest.

Because it’s all about you, you insufferable, empty orange shell of a human being.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:57:06pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 15, 2019 • 1:57:58pm

re: #237 banditqueen

Because it’s all about you, you insufferable, empty orange shell of a human being.

I am pretty sure that his staff had to explain that Notre Dame did not refer to the football team.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:00:13pm
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banditqueen  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:01:30pm

re: #239 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It might be greater than almost any museum in the world

He took a wild, crazed guess that it might be a museum today, so next time he mentions Notre Dame (in context to himself of course), he’ll probably mention sports.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:01:42pm

re: #185 steve_davis

hey donald, maybe we could drop you on it and see if you could smother flames. i think it would be worth a try.

That oily, tub of lard bastard would just cause it to spread faster.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:02:03pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:05:13pm

I did not know this factoid.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:06:33pm
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Sir John Barron  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:06:59pm

re: #238 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeah but Rush Limbaugh says…..

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:07:44pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:14:20pm

re: #249 Backwoods_Sleuth

A loss, yes but impressive enough that they stood for over 700 plus years.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:15:01pm

This is what I was worried about, the Dem field getting too crowded and everyone splitting loyalties.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:16:24pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:16:58pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And there it is. Trump is going to be challenged. This is a good thing. In a way I hope Mitt jumps in. It might tear the Republican party down. Trump is not going to like this.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:17:02pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:17:26pm

re: #228 Sir John Barron

Sorry, I mean there’s been a quick pivot from thoughts and prayers to how come the teachers aren’t armed to how do we even know this a real building, level of conspiracy.

It’s been a year or so since I last waded into the fever swamp at Free Republic. One thing that really jumps out at me today is the extent to which the freepers are willing to accept not just that Muslims caused the fire, but that the French government and the major media (even including Fox News) are covering for them. RWNJ culture has closed up into a hermetically sealed conspiracy world, where every fact, objection or mitigating circumstance can be dismissed as a product of the conspiracy.

I’ll stop now and go take a shower.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:21:08pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:21:56pm

re: #213 steve_davis

you and me both, brother. i didn’t have the kids to support, but slightly less than 12k even on myself was only possible because I had an enormous cache of money from the last 5 months of 2017, when Devry for some odd reason decided to work my ass off for 6 months straight as a visiting prof. I’m one of the examples of how the economy actually works once you get down past theory. In theory, I often make a decent living. When the economy is holding up and folks aren’t going back to school, I’m a Ronin trying to get a gig with a new master, while pretending I haven’t sold my sword for a bamboo replacement, ages ago.

“The Twilight Samurai”

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:22:00pm

re: #252 Eclectic Cyborg

This is what I was worried about, the Dem field getting too crowded and everyone splitting loyalties.

Weld would be splitting Republican loyalty. He’s running against Trump as a sensible moderate whatever that means anymore in the GOP.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:22:33pm

re: #259 ObserverArt

Yep, my bad. Didn’t realize he was a Republican. Carry on…

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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:26:59pm

France24 correspondent now stating (sorry, no link - livestream) much of the stained glass is apparently intact? Don’t ask me how, by those infernal drone photos I can’t really imagine either.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:28:15pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:28:36pm

re: #261 ThomasLite

France24 correspondent now stating (sorry, no link - livestream) much of the stained glass is apparently intact? Don’t ask me how, by those infernal drone photos I can’t really imagine either.

Typically it takes EXTREMELY high temperatures to seriously damage glass, far higher than what a typical fire would produce.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:32:44pm

STUPIDEST HOT TAKE YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY (& the “Superior Master Race Intellect” can’t even spell)

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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:34:20pm

re: #263 Eclectic Cyborg

Typically it takes EXTREMELY high temperatures to seriously damage glass, far higher than what a typical fire would produce.

It’s stained glass, though. Wouldn’t that be a lot of lead lining holding separate glass fragments in place.? That’s got a fairly low melting point.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:35:44pm

re: #265 ThomasLite

It’s stained glass, though. wouldn’t that be a lot of lead lining holding separate glass fragments in place.? That’s got a fairly low melting point.

Considering the damage the windows have taken over the last 200 years, I wonder if the lead was replaced with something else. It was stated that none of the glass is original.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:38:45pm
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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:39:18pm

re: #266 Belafon

Considering the damage the windows have taken over the last 200 years, I wonder if the lead was replaced with something else. It was stated that none of the glass is original.

Could be. But with what? AFAIK most stained glass window restoration nowadays would still use lead.
In any case it’d be wonderful if it turns out to be true.

On that note, I took another look at that aerial footage and in that last drone picture it does almost look as if the stone, inner, vaulted ceilings are still largely intact and the fire is mostly raging above those. That could mean a lot of the interior would have survived. I might be horribly wrong, though.

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ipsos  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:42:50pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Robert Caro makes GRRM look like a piker.

At least we know Caro puts on a jacket and tie (!) and sits down every morning precisely at 9 (!) to keep writing in longhand (!) until he’s done.

What’s GRRM’s routine?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:45:39pm

re: #264 The Vicious Babushka

STUPIDEST HOT TAKE YOU WILL SEE ALL DAY (& the “Superior Master Race Intellect” can’t even spell)

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Seems to be a competition (hidden for disgusting RWNJ propaganda image.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:47:19pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:48:35pm

re: #270 ipsos

At least we know Caro puts on a jacket and tie (!) and sits down every morning precisely at 9 (!) to keep writing in longhand (!) until he’s done.

What’s GRRM’s routine?

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This reminded me of a story I heard about John Cheever: he would dress in a suit and tie, pick up his lunch and briefcase, leave through the front door, then reenter the house through a separate door to the basement where his writing office was located. Then he’d take off the suit and write in his underwear. And when done he’d do the whole thing in reverse. He just wanted writing to be like any other “respectable” profession requiring strict hours.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:50:53pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:53:13pm

It’s like two angry rats tied up in a burlap bag.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 2:57:14pm

re: #279 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Mother Russia (rt.com) has weighed in:
Notre Dame fire follows months of arson, vandalism & desecration of French Catholic churches

Does it go to say they know all this because they are encouraging and manipulating it?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:01:57pm

re: #280 ObserverArt

Does it go to say they know all this because they are encouraging and manipulating it?

To quote the Magic 8-ball: All signs point to yes.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:05:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:07:15pm

moron

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:11:52pm

I bet Trump doesn’t know a single word of French.

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jaunte  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:13:34pm

re: #284 Eclectic Cyborg

“Mayonnaise.”

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:14:21pm

re: #277 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:22:58pm

I just got back to where I have the TV flipped on and did I just hear that Bernie released his tax returns today on Ari Melber’s show?

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ipsos  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:24:24pm

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s OK. Our national leader doesn’t language, either.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:24:59pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:26:29pm

Yep, reports coming out now.

CNN - Bernie Sanders releases 10 years of tax returns

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Monday released a decade of tax returns, providing new insight into how the Democratic socialist senator from Vermont became a millionaire between his two presidential runs.

According to returns provided by his campaign, Sanders reported a total family income of $566,421 in 2018 — $382,920 of which came from writing and royalties. The documents said he paid $137,573 in federal taxes in 2018 and owed $8,267 in taxes for the year. Sanders and his wife, Jane Sanders, reported paying a 26% effective tax rate on his adjusted gross income. The couple reported donating $18,950 to charity.
The new records show Sanders’ growing income and confirmed his status as a millionaire, largely on the strength of money made from book sales.
Sanders’ decision to run for president in 2015 ultimately led to an increase in their bottom line - which jumped from $240,622 in 2015 to $1,073,333 a year later. Since his first bid, Sanders and his wife - from 2016-2018 - made a total of more than $2.79 million.
Sanders in 2018 made $110 in music royalties, presumably for his 1987 folk album, “We Shall Overcome,” and an additional $1,810 from his 1997 memoir, “Outsider in the House,” which was published by Verso. He was paid and additional $391,000 for his books, including the bestselling “Where We Go From Here,” published with Macmillan.
Sanders had come under increasing pressure to make the tax disclosures as his primary rivals rolled out their own returns and critics — along with some allies — began to agitate for a more complete, public look inside the candidate’s pocketbook. The issue had become even more politically heated with Democrats continuing to demand President Donald Trump’s tax returns.
The Vermont independent made his records public on this year’s tax filing deadline, just ahead of an appearance at a Fox News town hall where he is expected to call on Trump to do the same.

…more at link…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:29:02pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:31:23pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:33:30pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

JFC, I wish I was close enough to slap him.

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Chrysicat  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:34:00pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:35:26pm

re: #271 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Seems to be a competition (hidden for disgusting RWNJ propaganda image.)

You know what’s really stupid about claiming this is a terrorist attack? If terrorists wanted to attack Notre Dame, they’d wait a couple more days and attack on Easter Sunday when it’s jammed full of people, not when it’s empty after a service ended and everyone left the building.

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CarolJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:38:13pm

Trump is insane and mentally challenged. There’s a reason you never see water planes in urban areas. In the forest, excess water falls on other trees, gets absorbed into the soil, becomes just runoff. Dropping water on a building in an urban area would be a disaster.

Water falling into and on nearby structures, that falls in to basements and subbasements, between loosened mortar, onto electrical lines, creating unnecessary damage that could exceed the cost of putting out the fire.

Thankfully some of the Cathedral was salvaged, although I would wait until people go in there before a complete sigh of relief. Oftentimes things may still be too damaged by fire to salvage and must be replaced and demolished.

Hopefully too, one thing the fire may have done, or allowed to be done: all of those imperfect attempts to restore, those unfinished builds, those patchwork to keep things together have been burnt out, and with sufficient funding, things can finally be restored the right way.

Sadness because I will probably never see a completely rebuilt Notre Dame. Even with modern construction techniques, Its going to be a while.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:41:07pm

Maybe we can get a gofund me together to water bomb Trump Tower?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:41:26pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:42:52pm

re: #302 Backwoods_Sleuth

But yeah, Democrats were TOTALLY wrong to not do any debates on Fox News.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:43:00pm

TEH STUPIDS IT BURNS DOWN TEH CATHEDRAL!!!!

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:44:28pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPIDS IT BURNS DOWN TEH CATHEDRAL!!!!

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Entire apartment complexes have been burned down by a single cigarette butt and he doesn’t get how this could be an accident. Fucking hell.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:45:12pm

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

Entire apartment complexes have been burned down by a single cigarette butt and he doesn’t get how this could be an accident. Fucking hell.

Isn’t a cow blamed for burning down a large bit of Chicago?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 3:54:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:02:51pm

re: #310 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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and I read earlier today, he has been denied bail.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:04:58pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:07:18pm

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:07:27pm

re: #313 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, that’ll end well for the accountant.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:11:58pm
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sagehen  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:13:57pm

re: #306 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t a cow blamed for burning down a large bit of Chicago?

Ms. Adams sings Hot Time in the Old Town

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VaughnIAM  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:14:15pm

re: #154 The Vicious Babushka

I heard earlier that there were holy relics inside the spire that came down.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:17:59pm

re: #318 VaughnIAM

I heard earlier that there were holy relics inside the spire that came down.

Weird damn place to put a relic, unless it’s the Holy IRBM of Ephesus.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:19:57pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

TEH STUPIDS IT BURNS DOWN TEH CATHEDRAL!!!!

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:23:07pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:34:44pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Knew how to build ‘em, they did.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:35:26pm
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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:36:32pm

HA

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:42:01pm

re: #250 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I remember when Pete McCloskey challenged Nixon in 1972 and wound up with 1 vote at the convention.

I would not be surprised to see Trump simply go to a voice vote to get renominated.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:45:59pm

re: #320 Belafon

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Obviously someone knows nothing about history. It’s unfortunate but these things do happen.

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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:47:57pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

Seems like most of the vaulted ceilings did indeed remain intact (for now anyway, too early to tell how damaged they’ll turn out to be). Interior remarkably undamaged.
My catholic upbringing didn’t stick but still, a bit of a hallelujah seems in order here.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:52:22pm
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:53:30pm

re: #324 Belafon

That is such good news. I assume though that Trump will appeal all the way up to the Supreme Court and that they’ll find a way to uphold Trump’s order. Sigh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:57:06pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 4:59:21pm

re: #308 Patricia Kayden

Tormund XtopHodor, First of His Name ✔
@tommyxtopher
This 3-second pause after Bernie is asked why he didn’t turn down Trump’s tax rate will get played every 5 minutes on Fox & Friends tomorrow morning

6:43 PM - Apr 15, 2019

This might also get mentioned in some of the Democrat candidates campaign materials.

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VaughnIAM  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:05:59pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Heard that one of them was the crown of thorns.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:07:27pm

I saw a lot of tweets today in my feed saying to ignore lists of successful people of a certain age, The Most Best Successful People Under 30, etc.

I’m turning 37 in three weeks. And all of a sudden I’m interested in the law. I partly blame the comments section of this here website.

I still want to be a scientist, especially earth sciences. I have a B.A. in English. I don’t know what to think about.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:08:04pm

re: #316 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Sheesh. That’s like the other extreme of “Government shouldn’t help people.” I’m glad he released his taxes finally but he’s confirming the worst stereotypes about left of center economics types.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:08:30pm

re: #332 ObserverArt

This might also get mentioned in some of the Democrat candidates campaign materials.

Be foolish not to imo.

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Jay C  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:09:37pm

re: #305 Eclectic Cyborg

Entire apartment complexes have been burned down by a single cigarette butt and he doesn’t get how this could be an accident. Fucking hell.

And on a slightly smaller scale, the same thing happened to the old (1870) Central Synagogue on Lexington Ave. in Manhattan. Back in 1998, they had closed it for a couple of years for a complete renovation, and then, when it was nearly done, a roofer’s carelessness started a fire which burned the whole place out, and they had to start all over again. Though it wasn’t quite as large as Norte. Dame by a long shot.

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Pawn of the Oppressor  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:09:48pm

re: #280 ObserverArt

Does it go to say they know all this because they are encouraging and manipulating it?

“And we know, because we pay the people who do it” - subheadline

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:10:17pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:10:43pm

The rich will always step up to rebuild the edifices that support them (not that I’m not in favor of Notre Dame being rebuilt), but they will resist the taxes that a government might use to offer in better ways the services the institution that the edifice housed offered only to those who believed the Church’s teachings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:12:08pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:14:09pm

re: #341 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Attacking asylum seekers. Fuck him very much.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:17:36pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:20:36pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:21:33pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah but don’t you dare kneel.//

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:22:27pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

OMG. This is inhumane. ICE is treating immigrants like animals. This is horrible.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:22:43pm

re: #331 Backwoods_Sleuth

French billionaire Pinault pledges 100M euros toward rebuilding Notre Dame Cathedral, according to a statement

Should get him a very nice portrait gargoyle for the next couple hundred years.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:24:34pm

re: #346 PhillyPretzel

OMG. This is inhumane. ICE is treating immigrants like animals. This is horrible.

Bet Dan Crenshaw will be silent on this since he’s a political coward.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:25:08pm
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PhillyPretzel  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:27:06pm

re: #349 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Obviously they never took English courses.
thefreedictionary.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:29:05pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:30:56pm

Yeah re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Can’t expect him to give a serious or good answer on an issue he doesn’t care about.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:31:03pm
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Jay C  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:31:20pm

re: #349 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Gee, I’m old enough to remember when arguing over the meaning of “is” by officials was considered mock-worthy….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:34:45pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:35:41pm

re: #354 Jay C

Gee, I’m old enough to remember when arguing over the meaning of “is” by officials was considered mock-worthy….

And at least they were actually arguing over definition of a word.

In this case she skips right past any meaning in the word and goes on about motive behind the use of a law, nothing about the wording of the law.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:36:02pm

re: #355 Backwoods_Sleuth

There is something there. DT should be shitting in his pants.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:36:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:36:37pm

JFC

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:37:42pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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What a piece of living bat guano.

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Old Liberal  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:38:21pm

re: #359 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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It doesn’t matter. The viewers are hopeless morons anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:42:05pm
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Jay C  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:42:44pm

re: #360 DodgerFan1988

What a piece of living bat guano.

He isn’t tagged “Muck Stain” without good reason.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:43:36pm

re: #362 Backwoods_Sleuth

The French People will fix up their beloved cathedral.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:46:54pm

re: #333 VaughnIAM

Heard that one of them was the crown of thorns.

Which one? A church in our Italian town boasted the whole body of the famous Saint Valentine. Another, across town, had his spare head.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:47:08pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Sheesh. That’s like the other extreme of “Government shouldn’t help people.” I’m glad he released his taxes finally but he’s confirming the worst stereotypes about left of center economics types.

Actually, I agree with him. Charities exist because government isn’t doing its job with respect to the poor. But, until we can get government to do a better job, charities need money.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:47:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:48:48pm

67 years ago today.
The YB-52 prototype, the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress, takes its first flight on April 15, 1952.

YB-52 First Flight


This aircraft and the similar XB-52 had a tandem cockpit arrangement that was changed to a more conventional side-by-side layout for production. Both prototypes were scrapped in the mid-60s. The last B-52 was delivered in October 1962.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:49:23pm

9idqTjFdMevNaMZjM99PoKJuknnMtAqe4ItW2dfCWt5GYDXwP8AQd/SXD/oskpIq3qozBMB7vZXM0mjTrNP6bqeJsvKI5KtCkfAi0vMtYtSwNfixXdAdDesCeU9yU79KUahn9thOn/t1pWID6XxNQw==

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:50:34pm

re: #295 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Trump, apparently, was the first to discover that North Korea was conducting nuclear tests: “They thought it was earthquakes. I said that’s not an earthquake. That’s called nuclear testing.”

That’s no earthquake. That… is a dragon! Balin, of the line of Durin

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:50:56pm

re: #367 Charles Johnson

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Shifty but centered?

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Old Liberal  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:51:59pm

re: #366 Belafon

Actually, I agree with him. Charities exist because government isn’t doing its job with respect to the poor. But, until we can get government to do a better job, charities need money.

And there is the fundamental issue. One side thinks government shouldn’t assist people, only charities should regardless of how ineffective

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:52:21pm

re: #351 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Well, the abortion stuff like litmus tests is a relatively new phenomenon, so how could Dems prepare…?///

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:54:43pm

Shooter turned himself in

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:54:52pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:55:59pm

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:56:43pm

re: #365 Decatur Deb

Which one? A church in our Italian town boasted the whole body of the famous Saint Valentine. Another, across town, had his spare head.

The Black Adder: Relics.

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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 5:59:35pm

re: #376 goddamnedfrank

For all your outward faults and wacky opinions, you are an outstanding citizen.

I really want to put a / right here (in effect, it’s already there) but goddamnedfrank likened them to lepers or some such shit, which I agree with on principle.

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:02:07pm

re: #344 Backwoods_Sleuth

ICE deports spouse of U.S. soldier killed in Afghanistan

There is NO PLACE NASTY ENOUGH TO STASH THESE B$%^&*(RDS!

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:02:14pm

re: #377 Feline Fearless Leader

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Video

Perugia has the Virgin’s wedding ring, and some very nice chocolate.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:03:29pm

re: #378 teleskiguy

For all your outward faults and wacky opinions, you are an outstanding citizen.

I really want to put a / right here (in effect, it’s already there) but goddamnedfrank likened them to lepers or some such shit, which I agree with on principle.

I have become / dependent.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:03:53pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:03:59pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:04:43pm

Freepers are turning against Faux News. Not batshit enough for them.

Officials Merely Question ‘Official Story’ of Notre Dame Fire, TWO FoxNews Anchors CUT THEM OFF

“Conspira-liars Merely Expose Buttocks on Live TV, TWO FoxNews Anchors CUT THEM OFF.”

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:07:09pm

re: #380 Decatur Deb

Perugia has the Virgin’s wedding ring, and some very nice chocolate.

Lest someone take Umbriage:

tripadvisor.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:07:11pm

if I was closer, I’d take her

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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:09:24pm

re: #386 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m close to Philly but have doubts that my place would not be stressful for a 17-year-old cat given I already have three with the eldest already somewhat unhappy she is sharing the place with two others.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:11:36pm

re: #376 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:15:09pm

:D

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retired cynic  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:15:51pm

re: #375 Backwoods_Sleuth

Importance of local media: “After speaking to The Arizona Republic, Hernandez said he received a call from an ICE officer who told him the agency was making arrangements to allow Gonzalez back into the U.S.”

Heh. As long as it was in the dark, it was fine. Parade it in daylight, and they don’t like it.

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nowherenorth2  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:17:04pm

re: #334 teleskiguy

I went for art originally in college. Got s b.a. in digital design, took an extra semester for a second b.a. in history. Took a year off and went and got my m.s.t. in social studies grades 5-12 and certified in NY. I now work in human services and bake bread and cakes on the side, and don’t use any digital art programs but all by pen and ink.

I’m 36
And I feel your pain

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gocart mozart  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:18:37pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:20:09pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:20:43pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:23:31pm

re: #391 nowherenorth2

I’m going to try my hand at trail crew at the ski area. It’s hard work, brush cutting, removing debris from culverts, occasional chainsaw work. They like me at the ski area, so I’m going to try.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:25:49pm

re: #393 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Well being a Catholic cathedral maybe the Catholic Church could tap into the $10-$15 billion they own and kick in a little towards the repair cost.

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Belafon  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:25:57pm

I do have something to thank Trump for.

I’ve mentioned my mom a few times here. She grew up in the 50s and 60s in Texas, and for about 20 years before her retirement worked at the county jails around the Metroplex. These are polite ways of saying that mom grew up with racists views towards minorities, reinforced by the perception of who ends up in jail.

On the trip to see my oldest, Mom and I talked (it’s strange, she’s probably the best companion driving I’ve had - we didn’t need the radio on, and we didn’t need to talk all the time). She mentioned how her views have started changing about all minorities. She said that it’s because she works at the foot pantry at her church, and sees the people who come in, a lot of whom are minorities that are as kind as they can be, and because of the conversations she has with me and my sister (my brother, not so much).

But I think some of it is Trump. His overt racism, and just how directly it mirrors some of the things she’s said and heard in private, has shaken her. He’s made her question them, and where they came from.

No, he’s not going to actually get my thanks, but there are some people that can change.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:27:04pm

re: #396 Skip Intro

Well being a Catholic cathedral maybe the Catholic Church could tap into the $10-$15 billion they own and kick in a little towards the repair cost.

That’s sort of the opposite of how this cathedral-makin’ works.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:27:09pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:28:11pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:29:29pm

gaaaaaahhh

If Oklahoma state GOP Rep. George Faught has his way, rape will be on the path to being legal in the state. At least that’s what rapists are hoping for after Faught made a frightening statement on the subject during a debate on House Bill 1549, which restricts abortion.

Democratic Rep. Cory Williams masterfully cornered Faught during the hearing by asking him if he believes rape and incest are the “will of God” since the legislation has no exceptions for either, meaning women would be forced to give birth to their rapist’s baby.

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nowherenorth2  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:31:52pm

re: #395 teleskiguy

Dude that sounds awesome and a decent job. I fell into my job/career choice randomly. I needed it though.
I know you will do excellent my friend.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:32:53pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:34:20pm

re: #399 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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From near the end of the article:

After speaking to The Arizona Republic, Hernandez said he received a call from an ICE officer who told him the agency was making arrangements to allow Gonzalez back into the U.S.

Those ‘arrangements’ can take some time. They called Hernandez, who embarrassed them with publicity, but did they call Gonzales who was deported? Followup will be needed.

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Interesting Times  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:34:31pm

Good point:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:36:25pm
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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:37:43pm

re: #396 Skip Intro

Well being a Catholic cathedral maybe the Catholic Church could tap into the $10-$15 billion they own and kick in a little towards the repair cost.

Well, what with the French state having explicitly expropriated pretty much every monumental church a good while back, and also restricting any religious operator of such state-owned monuments from charging admission etc, etc, one could argue the French state has kind of gotten themselves on the hook for this sort of thing.
I mean, they wanted to dictate the terms, run the show - can’t wash their hands of it now.

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ObserverArt  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:40:39pm

Mayor Pete on Rachel’s show right now. He has a place in the party long time. He is a great communicator. I can see why he has risen this fast. He is natural, relaxed, informed, clear with lots of good political stuff in him.

Not sure of all his policy and all that, but he is young and he is good. He and Beto would be an interesting debate if just to hear ‘em talk.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:41:16pm
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Old Liberal  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:41:53pm

re: #396 Skip Intro

Well being a Catholic cathedral maybe the Catholic Church could tap into the $10-$15 billion they own and kick in a little towards the repair cost.

I think the fundamentalist Christians who think drumpf is godly should raise the funds so it can be branded trump cathedral. It’s what god would want. Plus a sign “under new grifters”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:42:13pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:43:11pm

re: #395 teleskiguy

I’m going to try my hand at trail crew at the ski area. It’s hard work, brush cutting, removing debris from culverts, occasional chainsaw work. They like me at the ski area, so I’m going to try.

The Mountain Operations Manager told me on the lift a couple of times:

“You’d be doing this from a *skiers* perspective, and you’d do it right.”

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:45:12pm

Trump forward deploys F-35s next to Iran in case he needs a war to distract the press from the Mueller report.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:46:15pm
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Feline Fearless Leader  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:47:32pm

re: #412 teleskiguy

The Mountain Operations Manager told me on the lift a couple of times:

“You’d be doing this from a *skiers* perspective, and you’d do it right.”

I remember doing brush cutting in high school on a trail through woods that both the cross-country and cross-country skiing team used. One of the former wondered why I was trimming back branches 8-9’ up until I told him to imagine the trail with 1-2’ of snow on it. We also trimmed wider than they expected since we had to take ski poles into account.*

* - This was late 70s before the “skating” x-country ski style became the norm and the racing eventually split off a “classic” form.

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wrenchwench  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:47:36pm

re: #414 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Thanks for the followup.

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MsJ  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:52:58pm

Shoot me.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:53:31pm

re: #407 ThomasLite

Well, what with the French state having explicitly expropriated pretty much every monumental church a good while back, and also restricting any religious operator of such state-owned monuments from charging admission etc, etc, one could argue the French state has kind of gotten themselves on the hook for this sort of thing.
I mean, they wanted to dictate the terms, run the show - can’t wash their hands of it now.

But it would be the right thing to do, wouldn’t it? Why does the church need $15 billion except for payoffs of child rape?

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ThomasLite  Apr 15, 2019 • 6:55:55pm

re: #418 Skip Intro

But it would be the right thing to do, wouldn’t it? Why does the church need $15 billion except for payoffs of child rape?

After the French decided they wanted to own the place and get to dictate how to run things? Sorry, will have to disagree on that one.
Also, holy batman that’s a pleasant bit of bias showing there. Does little to strengthen your argument, TBH.

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Skip Intro  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:05:12pm

re: #419 ThomasLite

Yeah, I admit it, I am biased against a church full of pedofiles.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:05:37pm

re: #366 Belafon

Actually, I agree with him. Charities exist because government isn’t doing its job with respect to the poor. But, until we can get government to do a better job, charities need money.

We can do both imo.

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Chrysicat  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:05:51pm

re: #413 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Trump forward deploys F-35s next to Iran in case he needs a war to distract the press from the Mueller report.

Would it be wrong of me to think that he’d better hope all the F-14s are permanently out of service, because I think the only advantage the Lightnings have on them is being semi-stealth?

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:07:03pm
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stpaulbear  Apr 15, 2019 • 7:47:54pm

re: #304 The Vicious Babushka

Matt Walsh

@MattWalshBlog
I don’t understand how a fire of this magnitude could happen accidentally

Grenfell Tower apartment building in London

How the Grenfell Tower fire spread

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 16, 2019 • 1:04:27am

re: #424 stpaulbear

Grenfell Tower apartment building in London

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Exactly. People without a ton of experience with fire don’t understand how fucking hard it it can be to put one out.

I remember when I was in sixth grade. I had moved 40 miles to a new school and had made a new very weird friend, named Jon. There’s a longer, incredibly unimportant backstory here that I won’t go into here about how we we’d been enemies because I was an awkward asshole after I’d moved and then became friends but the important point right now is one day he invited me over to his house for the first time and long story short lit a fucking carboard castle he’d made on fire.

I’m can’t emphasize this enough -> ON.FUCKING.FIRE.

What I remember is me trying desperately to put this fucking fire out, that he’d lit in his own goddamned house, while came down the stairs laughing like the goddamned Joker and drinking the fucking glass of water he’d ostensibly gotten to put the fire out.

Anyway my point is that I’m drunk right now because I sat on a case as part of a jury today and helped to NOT destroy a kid’s future and if you think this shit is going to flow seamlessly from A to B then the fucking JOK3 is on YOU.

But ALSO my point is that fire jumps up on you quick and OK yes Jon and I managed to get that shit out and he lied to his Mom about incense and covered up the burn and everything was OK because apparently she bought it because fuck those people were weird but MOST IMPORTANTLY FIRE WILL JUMP UP ON YOU QUICK IS MY FUCKING POINT!

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John Hughes  Apr 16, 2019 • 2:03:11am

re: #42 Shropshire Slasher

Too late now for anything. French firefighters, AKA cellar savers.

Well, that oversteps the limit for me.

Fuck you.

The BSPP have extinguished fires in my house, helped a young relative who attempted to commit suicide and dealt with another relative who had a psychotic break. They are professional, competent, dedicated and frequently risk their lives to save others. the BSPP are among the best firefighters in the world. You are a twisted little troll.

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Internal NRA Memos Reveal Hidden Payments to Enrich Top Executives Marc Owens, who served for 10 years as the head of the Internal Revenue Service division that oversees tax-exempt enterprises, recently reviewed these records. “The litany of red flags is just extraordinary,” he said. “The materials reflect one of ...
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Anderson .Paak - Make It Better (Ft. Smokey Robinson) (Official Video)MAKE IT BETTER out now!smarturl.itDirected by Andy Hines © 2019 Aftermath Entertainment, Exclusively Distributed by 12ToneMusic, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Shop official Anderson .Paak merchandise here:buy.andersonpaak.com Follow Anderson here:Instagram: instagram.comTwitter: @AndersonPaakFacebook: facebook.com ---Powered by vydia.com
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Lilly Hiatt - ‘You Must Go’ [Audio Only] From John Hiatt & Lilly Hiatt's "You Must Go" / "All Kinds Of People," available April 13, 2019 exclusively on 7in vinyl for Record Store Day 2019. Performed by Lilly Hiatt Written by John HiattOriginal recording released on 'Walk ...
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Norah Jones - Begin Again (Audio)Music video by Norah Jones performing Begin Again (Audio). © 2019 Capitol Records, LLC vevo.ly
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Trump Attacks Ilhan Omar Yet Again: Bad for Our Country “Look, she’s been very disrespectful to this country,” Trump told KSTP reporter Tom Hauser after an economic roundtable event in the Twin Cities suburb of Burnsville yesterday. “She’s been very disrespectful, frankly, to Israel. She is somebody that doesn’t ...
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How Accurate Are Scientific Predictions About Climate? SOURCES ARE BELOW First, some CORRECTIONS: 1) Jerry Taylor did leave the Cato Institute, and set up his own think-tank called the Niskanen Center. It also reflects Libertarian views. 2) Some reputable researchers have found that if the reduction ...
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Jackson Browne Reunited With the Section ‘Rock Me on the Water’ The Section featuring Craig Doerge, Danny Kortchmar, Leland Sklar and Russ Kunkel reunite with Jackson Browne at the 2018 NAMM TEC Awards held at the NAMM Show in Anaheim, CA., to perform "Rock Me On the Water". Also featuring ...
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