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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:31:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:40:39pm

GUNS ARE TO BLAME!!!

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:42:44pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:42:50pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GUNS ARE TO BLAME!!!

Bullying by people with guns. The Parkland shooter was the bully not the people he shot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:44:49pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

Guns, yes.

But also schools being apathetic about bullying or, in certain extreme cases, condoning it.

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allegro  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:48:11pm

Today’s mood at Casa Allegro the day after our annual 420 Day party (a most excellent time was had by all)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:48:35pm

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Guns, yes.

But also schools being apathetic about bullying or, in certain extreme cases, condoning it.

They did encourage bullying when I was in High School Hell.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:50:44pm
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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:52:21pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

I think we need to do what MADD did. Every year, usually as soon as the weather gets nice in the spring, there are cars that were hit by drunk drivers towed to a prominent place in front of the local high schools in my county and kept there through graduation. So kids get an up close look at what happens when you drink and drive( and now text and drive) . I think mass shooting crime scene photos should be released to the public and enlarged to show detail. Along with testimony from ER doctors and medical professionals, fire and rescue units, police officers and those who lost loved ones. It’s insane that guns get a pass when all they are designed to do is kill. There are still way too many people who are stupid and careless with firearms, there is not one good reason to not launch a campaign of that nature to slap people upside the head. Nothing else is working.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 12:59:25pm

re: #9 A Mom Anon

I think we need to do what MADD did. Every year, usually as soon as the weather gets nice in the spring, there are cars that were hit by drunk drivers towed to a prominent place in front of the local high schools in my county and kept there through graduation. So kids get an up close look at what happens when you drink and drive( and now text and drive) . I think mass shooting crime scene photos should be released to the public and enlarged to show detail. Along with testimony from ER doctors and medical professionals, fire and rescue units, police officers and those who lost loved ones. It’s insane that guns get a pass when all they are designed to do is kill. There are still way too many people who are stupid and careless with firearms, there is not one good reason to not launch a campaign of that nature to slap people upside the head. Nothing else is working.

It’s because we have this bizarro gun culture where guns are fetishized.

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allegro  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:01:00pm

re: #9 A Mom Anon

I’ve got some real mixed feelings about this. While I agree with everything you say on the one hand, on the other is thinking about victims’ families and loved ones. Publicized photos that we know will be fetishized, popping up anywhere/everywhere is, to me, just unimaginably cruel. Is there any way to balance these?

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:02:30pm

Also too , I love me some Tom Morello, I haven’t had the chance to hear the new stuff yet, so thanks Charles!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:05:21pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:09:30pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Who’s triggered.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:09:37pm

re: #11 allegro

There might be families willing to sign off on that, years later when the loss isn’t so fresh. If not, then show the aftermath, in the ambulance, the OR, the crime scene, before the cleanup.

My husband had a heart attack that triggered congestive heart failure last summer. I remember being shuttled into the ER room and the amount of bloody stuff everywhere was astounding. He died twice, once in my arms and also in the ambulance on the way to the hospital a few days before that. What had to be done to save his life was not lost on me when I saw the carnage afterwards. And that had nothing to do with a gun. I can only imagine what an OR looks like after a shooting victim is done with the room.

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allegro  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:13:28pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

There might be families willing to sign off on that, years later when the loss isn’t so fresh. If not, then show the aftermath, in the ambulance, the OR, the crime scene, before the cleanup.

My husband had a heart attack that triggered congestive heart failure last summer. I remember being shuttled into the ER room and the amount of bloody stuff everywhere was astounding. He died twice, once in my arms and also in the ambulance on the way to the hospital a few days before that. What had to be done to save his life was not lost on me when I saw the carnage afterwards. And that had nothing to do with a gun. I can only imagine what an OR looks like after a shooting victim is done with the room.

Excellent ideas, crime scene especially. Yeah, I can get comfortably behind that approach. Thanks. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:16:58pm
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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:17:51pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

There might be families willing to sign off on that, years later when the loss isn’t so fresh. If not, then show the aftermath, in the ambulance, the OR, the crime scene, before the cleanup.

My husband had a heart attack that triggered congestive heart failure last summer. I remember being shuttled into the ER room and the amount of bloody stuff everywhere was astounding. He died twice, once in my arms and also in the ambulance on the way to the hospital a few days before that. What had to be done to save his life was not lost on me when I saw the carnage afterwards. And that had nothing to do with a gun. I can only imagine what an OR looks like after a shooting victim is done with the room.

re: #16 allegro

Excellent ideas, crime scene especially. Yeah, I can get comfortably behind that approach. Thanks. :)

Another is badge cam entry videos of the Patrol/Tac/SWAT cops, with pixelated victims of course.

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Old Liberal  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:18:41pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

They did encourage bullying when I was in High School Hell.

Loved the bullshit “builds character ” line they always used. I was lucky because I was 6’ tall in seventh grade so I got left alone.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:18:42pm

re: #8 Backwoods_Sleuth

and yet we have police officers acquitted of shooting unarmed people who haven’t even assaulted them because of their own fear for their safety.

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allegro  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:21:39pm

re: #18 Teukka

Another is badge cam entry videos of the Patrol/Tac/SWAT cops, with pixelated victims of course.

Now I’m getting a creepy warning feeling about this again. Would this unleash the media sensationalist Kraken?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:22:41pm

re: #19 Old Liberal

Loved the bullshit “builds character ” line they always used. I was lucky because I was 6’ tall in seventh grade so I got left alone.

Ah yes. The whole “Toughen em” up macho bullshit by old fat guys.

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Old Liberal  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:22:53pm

re: #11 allegro

I’ve got some real mixed feelings about this. While I agree with everything you say on the one hand, on the other is thinking about victims’ families and loved ones. Publicized photos that we know will be fetishized, popping up anywhere/everywhere is, to me, just unimaginably cruel. Is there any way to balance these?

Those who don’t want to allow it don’t get shown. Some will allow it to be shown to show the carnage. Emmitt Till’s mother insisted on a open casket if I recall correctly.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:23:36pm
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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:24:37pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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There are so many things going on in that picture that it could be a Broadway play.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:25:36pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

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Oh okay.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:25:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:26:14pm

re: #25 Belafon

There are so many things going on in that picture that it could be a Broadway play.

Nutzies: coming To Broadway next Spring!

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:27:08pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:27:44pm

re: #15 A Mom Anon

My nephew has been working the class1 trauma ER in Denver for several yrs now. He got sick of tracking blood home on his shoes. He wears rubber boots now.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:29:24pm

re: #29 Belafon

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That’s the thing isn’t it? So many people have been manipulated by this crap but they’re too full of confirmation bias to admit it and I’m including left wingers there too.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:30:06pm

re: #21 allegro

Now I’m getting a creepy warning feeling about this again. Would this unleash the media sensationalist Kraken?

If it is done on the news. If it is done in the context of a documentary, it might not be as sensationalist.

Saw badgecam footage of the Södertälje (small ‘burb in the southern part of the county) cops making an entry into a flat where a man had stabbed a man to death and then kidnapped his own mother afterwards. It was messy.
Badgecams are being slowly implemented for both cops and subway security guards here in Sweden.

Another angle that could be tried is to have journalists follow the investigators work as they unravel the story.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:31:08pm

WTF is this asshole doing with Putin in Libya?

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:32:52pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin
All the ER people at the hospital near us wear Croc type shoes for that reason. All rubber and easy to clean. One nurse told me she had never realized how much crap was on her shoes til her husband cleaned her car’s carpet and upholstery and showed her what the steam cleaner picked up. It’s heartbreakingly part of the job.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:34:35pm

re: #34 A Mom Anon

One of my supervisors has a daughter who is a nurse. The supervisor has related some of her daughter’s war stories to us. Blood is a huge part of those stories.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:35:57pm
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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:45:38pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

It’s sad but I think most people have become desensitized to violence and consider it in real life like it’s portrayed in the movies. Not close. When you have to see and smell it, that changes a lot for people. I mean, I always thought I knew what carnage looked like. But no, not really. I can’t imagine being a doctor or nurse having to put people back together after anything awful, let alone a shooting.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:45:42pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

That’s the thing isn’t it? So many people have been manipulated by this crap but they’re too full of confirmation bias to admit it and I’m including left wingers there too.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:46:47pm

mmmirele, from downstairs.

re: #483 mmmirele

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:49:07pm

re: #2 Backwoods_Sleuth

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GUNS ARE TO BLAME!!!

Bullying is an issue.

The conditions in many schools that make it a hellish experience of too many kids is an even bigger issue.

But in the end, the biggest issue is that guns are too easily available, especially high capacity semi-automatics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:49:32pm

re: #30 Dave In Austin

My nephew has been working the class1 trauma ER in Denver for several yrs now. He got sick of tracking blood home on his shoes. He wears rubber boots now.

our regional hospital’s ER has a trauma room that has sliding doors instead of curtains like the other ER cubicles.

Blood still manages to pour out into the common area of the ER.

The human body holds an amazing volume of blood, most people can not comprehend how much.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:51:17pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

One of my supervisors has a daughter who is a nurse. The supervisor has related some of her daughter’s war stories to us. Blood is a huge part of those stories.

Yep. Spent a lot of times in the ER with my late ex. Seen many times how they suit up in barrier care PPE and boots when they get a Trauma alert. And I seem to recall a documentary where the teacher quizzes the med students on where to look for big bleeds and they get every point except the last.
The floor.
And having listened to the ambulance frequency before they went TETRA and having been in front when getting my late ex to hospital a couple of times, I know what info they get. So I have respect and accept the extra wait time when someone arrives on a Trauma alert.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:52:37pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

our regional hospital’s ER has a trauma room that has sliding doors instead of curtains like the other ER cubicles.

Blood still manages to pour out into the common area of the ER.

The human body holds an amazing volume of blood, most people can not comprehend how much.

About a gallon, give or take.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:55:34pm

re: #38 Belafon

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That’s what scares me. People who want to believe the worst. People who don’t live in a world of facts. People who live in the nihilist bullshit world.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:57:40pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

That’s what scares me. People who want to believe the worst. People who don’t live in a world of facts. People who live in the nihilist bullshit world.

Me too. To quote the fictional Adm. Josh Painter in “Red October”:
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.

It’s a recipe for utter disaster.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:57:45pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:58:30pm

re: #45 Teukka

Me too. To quote the fictional Adm. Josh Painter in “Red October”:
“This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it.”

It’s a recipe for utter disaster.

It’s so frustrating.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:58:52pm

re: #38 Belafon

That’s what the Russians figured out. Americans, Republicans in particular, want to have all their biases and bigotries confirmed. A fake account run by Russians telling racist lies about immigrants amasses 130,000 followers because that many Americans want to believe it.

We are so easily manipulated they would be fools not to take advantage of it.

Wasn’t a lot of the Jade Helm hysteria generated and amplified by Russian bots?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 1:59:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:02:23pm

re: #41 Backwoods_Sleuth

our regional hospital’s ER has a trauma room that has sliding doors instead of curtains like the other ER cubicles.

Blood still manages to pour out into the common area of the ER.

The human body holds an amazing volume of blood, most people can not comprehend how much.

I’ve told the story here of being accidentally shot in 1982. I was on the couch for no more than 3 or 4 minutes waiting for the ambulance. In that time, my punctured femoral artery soaked the couch and was leaving a huge puddle on the floor in spite of a makeshift tourniquet I had managed to apply. I eventually had to throw the couch away and put in new carpet.
Incidentally, I was perhaps angrier at the shooter for losing his composure and not helping than for shooting me in the first place.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:03:36pm

re: #49 goddamnedfrank

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It amazes me to no end that so many people my generation are enthralled with him. Good to know about his executive style. He’s a lot like Trump. Prefers loyalists over competence.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:04:51pm

re: #51 HappyWarrior

It amazes me to no end that so many people my generation are enthralled with him. Good to know about his executive style. He’s a lot like Trump. Prefers loyalists over competence.

I still believe that there are more people out there who want to see him nominated than actually want to see him win the election…

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:05:36pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

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Finally addressed an issue that was identified in a Nipsey Russell monologue back in the 1970s.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:08:13pm

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still believe that there are more people out there who want to see him nominated than actually want to see him win the election…

I sadly think you’re mistaken. A lot of people genuinely believe in him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:08:37pm

re: #48 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We are so easily manipulated they would be fools not to take advantage of it.

Wasn’t a lot of the Jade Helm hysteria generated and amplified by Russian bots?

and certain extremely willing Texas politicians

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:09:10pm

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’ve told the story here of being accidentally shot in 1982. I was on the couch for no more than 3 or 4 minutes waiting for the ambulance. In that time, my punctured femoral artery soaked the couch and was leaving a huge puddle on the floor in spite of a makeshift tourniquet I had managed to apply. I eventually had to throw the couch away and put in new carpet.
Incidentally, I was perhaps angrier at the shooter for losing his composure and not helping than for shooting me in the first place.

And, as always, my eternal thanks to all blood donors. I don’t remember how much it took to keep me alive but it was a lot.

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allegro  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:09:12pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

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Wow. That’s kind of a smack-between-the-eyeballs example of white standard privilege innit. I can honestly say that I have never given a moment’s thought to the color of band-aids.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:09:56pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

and certain extremely willing Texas politicians

Whose names have been redacted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:11:04pm

re: #54 HappyWarrior

I sadly think you’re mistaken. A lot of people genuinely believe in him.

A lot of people do, but a lot of bots and ratfuckers also still see him as the candidate most likely to deliver a DT victory.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:12:12pm

Finally found something stupider than sitting out a tornado cycle in a mobile home. We set up the tiny camping trailer in a state park, just in time for the second punch of last week’s storm systems. It sits without tie-downs on 4 screw jacks, like a meager offering to the storm gods. We were OK, but paced off the 50 meters to the shower house. A lady was killed and her son injured some miles down the road.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:13:13pm

re: #59 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

A lot of people do, but a lot of bots and ratfuckers also still see him as the candidate most likely to deliver a DT victory.

Maybe but it’s a disservice to act like it’s just bots and ratfuckers. Doing that greatly dismisses what’s going on. I know my demo and I know a lot of them like Bernie because he has a lot of things he says that are promising but few of them want to vet him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:14:09pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

Maybe but it’s a disservice to act like it’s just bots and ratfuckers. Doing that greatly dismisses what’s going on. I know my demo and I know a lot of them like Bernie because he has a lot of things he says that are promising but few of them want to vet him.

I agree that he has a lot of ideas that belong in the Democratic platform. Just not him behind the podium.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:14:40pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:17:38pm

Lre: #62 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree that he has a lot of ideas that belong in the Democratic platform. Just not him behind the podium.

Warren imo has better ideas and isn’t into cronyism.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:18:47pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

L

Warren imo has better ideas and isn’t into cronyism.

Warren actually has details for how to implement her ideas.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:18:58pm
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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:20:14pm

Favorite Nipsey Russell shtick:

He profoundly thanked the cosmetic industry for their solidarity in creating a skin tanning lotion and calling it Man Tan. In gratitude, he pledged to develop a skin bleach product and call it Yellow Fellow.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:20:30pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Warren actually has details for how to implement her ideas.

Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:22:16pm

re: #65 Backwoods_Sleuth

Warren actually has details for how to implement her ideas.

I should also note that Kamala Harris also has details.

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:25:02pm

OMG. Hahaha!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:25:14pm

re: #69 Backwoods_Sleuth

I should also note that Kamala Harris also has details.

The male candidates and I include ones I like can get away with being vague. Women can’t. Is there gender double standards? Yes.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:27:03pm

re: #70 plansbandc

OMG. Hahaha!

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She could have a whole other person hidden in that thing!

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:28:17pm

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s the greatest hair I’ve ever seen. Just imagine the amount of time, effort, and hairspray that must take. Impressive.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:29:26pm

re: #73 plansbandc

That’s the greatest hair I’ve ever seen. Just imagine the amount of time, effort, and hairspray that must take. Impressive.

or it’s a really elaborate wig…

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:29:56pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

The male candidates and I include ones I like can get away with being vague. Women can’t. Is there gender double standards? Yes.

Julián Castro brought his notes* when he talked about immigration.

*in the figurative sense. I wasn’t watching.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:31:03pm

re: #71 HappyWarrior

and we’re treated to Mayor Pete as being cast as the man with ideas… funny isn’t it?

I have no quarrel with Mayor Pete, I applaud the fact that we have an openly gay person in the Democratic Party seeking the nomination. Not on board with his characterization on why the Dems lost nor am I on board with how he’s being given a platform that is somehow denied candidate Castro, who rules a bigger city in a deep red state as well.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:34:28pm

re: #73 plansbandc

That’s the greatest hair I’ve ever seen. Just imagine the amount of time, effort, and hairspray that must take. Impressive.

Tennessee Vols fan celebrating Amy Winehouse’s birthday.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:35:11pm

re: #76 piratedan

and we’re treated to Mayor Pete as being cast as the man with ideas… funny isn’t it?

I have no quarrel with Mayor Pete, I applaud the fact that we have an openly gay person in the Democratic Party seeking the nomination. Not on board with his characterization on why the Dems lost nor am I on board with how he’s being given a platform that is somehow denied candidate Castro, who rules a bigger city in a deep red state as well.

And was a cabinet secretary.

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:35:39pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Definitely has the Vols fan vibe. LOL!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:35:54pm

re: #75 wrenchwench

Julián Castro brought his notes* when he talked about immigration.

*in the figurative sense. I wasn’t watching.

I really wish he were polling better. I’ve liked him since the 2012 DNC.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:36:03pm

re: #77 Decatur Deb

Tennessee Vols fan celebrating Amy Winehouse’s birthday.

Tennessee Big Hair…say no more.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:37:28pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:40:25pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

I really wish he were polling better. I’ve liked him since the 2012 DNC.

Supposedly he was under consideration to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate. No point in dwelling on the ‘what ifs’.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:41:49pm

re: #76 piratedan

and we’re treated to Mayor Pete as being cast as the man with ideas… funny isn’t it?

I have no quarrel with Mayor Pete, I applaud the fact that we have an openly gay person in the Democratic Party seeking the nomination.

I appreciate the way he is taking on what Fundamentalist Christians have done with that religion, only a church-going Christian can attempt that.

And no, homophobia is not an integral part of the Christian faith, just of Fundamentalist doctrine.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:45:43pm

re: #83 wrenchwench

Supposedly he was under consideration to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate. No point in dwelling on the ‘what ifs’.

Yeah not going to dwell. I like him and his brother. He’s got a great immigration plan.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 2:59:01pm

Thinking of home today…

washingtonpost.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:00:09pm
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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:00:26pm

re: #70 plansbandc

OMG. Hahaha!

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Phil Spector’s sister?

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Old Liberal  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:01:42pm

re: #84 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I appreciate the way he is taking on what Fundamentalist Christians have done with that religion, only a church-going Christian can attempt that.

And no, homophobia is not an integral part of the Christian faith, just of Fundamentalist doctrine.

I am aware of dozens of Lutheran churches on the more liberal end that have broken apart over LGBT acceptance. It runs throughout Christianity and is pervasive. There are islands of acceptance in a sea of intolerance.

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jaunte  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:01:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:02:27pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I didn’t know that about Drivers Ed. Damn that’s a disappointment.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:06:10pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The first car I had was a1970 1/2 AMC Gremlin base model and the price was $1970.50 with tax and license included.

Gas was 29¢ a gallon for premium. The gas tank held 25 gallons and you could fill it up for $7.50.

Inspections were done on a 6-month schedule and it only cost $12.50 to get the car inspected.

Drivers Licenses were $10.75 for 4 years.

Auto insurance was $10/month.

Kids today will never see that affordability.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:07:51pm

re: #89 Old Liberal

I am aware of dozens of Lutheran churches on the more liberal end that have broken apart over LGBT acceptance. It runs throughout Christianity and is pervasive. There are islands of acceptance in a sea of intolerance.

Happened to my parents’ Presbyterian church. Now there is a brand-spanking new church outside of town for all of the “God condemned the homosexuals” Christians. My parents continue to go to their church, of which my father at 93 is the oldest and longest active member, to welcome new members. A glitch, though, is that they have reached out to African immigrant community. And some of those guys are more anti-gay than the country club Presbyterians who defected.

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DodgerFan1988  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:09:21pm

What a maggot.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:09:36pm

re: #93 Barefoot Grin

Happened to my parents’ Presbyterian church. Now there is a brand-spanking new church outside of town for all of the “God condemned the homosexuals” Christians. My parents continue to go to their church, of which my father at 93 is the oldest and longest active member, to welcome new members. A glitch, though, is that they have reached out to African immigrant community. And some of those guys are more anti-gay than the country club Presbyterians who defected.

There was an interesting documentary on how the American religious right really imported some vicious homophobia to Uganda in particular.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:10:44pm

re: #94 DodgerFan1988

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What a maggot.

Uh everywhere but I guess Dinesh never learned to read. It’s literally Front page on CNN and MSNBC.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:12:12pm

I remember when the Presbyterian church broke up when I was a kid. First there was a breakaway group that went with Carl McIntyre’s Bible Presbyterian Church. Then others went into the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. And later others broke away and joined the Southern Presbyterian Church (later Presbyterian Church in America). And then there were the Covenanters who required you to go to preparatory services before communion and you were given a special church coin. If you did not turn in the coin at the communion service, the sacraments were denied you.

They broke into splinter groups just like Marxist parties.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:12:27pm

re: #94 DodgerFan1988

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What a maggot.

Maggots at least serve a purpose in Mother Nature’s big scheme.

D’Souza? No purpose and not needed.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:12:54pm

re: #87 Backwoods_Sleuth

[Driver’s Ed, no longer offered by most public schools, costs around $450. Getting your license costs anywhere from $20-$1,000, depending on the state. The average vehicle costs $9,576 a year to own and operate. ]

Suddenly I understand the appeal of all those scooters and bike shares. And the lack of skill of the users. This will need to be addressed.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:14:08pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

He’s just sad that people aren’t screaming about the OMGHUMANITYTHEYAREKILLINGALLTHECHRISTIANS!!!eleventyohnoooooo!!!! Every ten seconds. The adulterous felon needs to sit the fuck down and let the grown ups handle shit.

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Jay C  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:14:09pm

re: #91 HappyWarrior

I didn’t know that about Drivers Ed. Damn that’s a disappointment.

Neither did I. Back in my day (OK, it was California in the 1960s) Drivers Ed was pretty much a requirement - I don’t recall even having the option to get out of it.

Though my HS did a good-enough job: we got to learn how to parallel-park and get on and off freeways in late-60s Chrysler sedans about the same size and weight as .light aircraft carriers.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:15:32pm

re: #101 Jay C

Neither did I. Back in my day (OK, it was California in the 1960s) Drivers Ed was pretty much a requirement - I don’t recall even having the option to get out of it.

Though my HS did a good-enough job: we got to learn how to parallel-park and get on and off freeways in late-60s Chrysler sedans about the same size and weight as .light aircraft carriers.

Yeah as I recall. One quarter of gym sophomore year was drivers ed and another was sex ed. The other semester was regular gym.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:15:45pm

re: #101 Jay C

Neither did I. Back in my day (OK, it was California in the 1960s) Drivers Ed was pretty much a requirement - I don’t recall even having the option to get out of it.

Though my HS did a good-enough job: we got to learn how to parallel-park and get on and off freeways in late-60s Chrysler sedans about the same size and weight as .light aircraft carriers.

I know some of the rural school districts here in Texas still offer it, but not in the Metroplex.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:16:03pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

He’s just sad that people aren’t screaming about the OMGHUMANITYTHEYAREKILLINGALLTHECHRISTIANS!!!eleventyohnoooooo!!!! Every ten seconds. The adulterous felon needs to sit the fuck down and let the grown ups handle shit.

I really wish he had gone to jail. Miserable asshole.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:16:18pm

re: #101 Jay C

They did away with it in GA about 20 yrs ago. You could opt out of your parents signed a form before that. But I guess liability insurance got to be more than most school districts wanted to pay so they did away with it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:16:58pm

re: #94 DodgerFan1988

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What a maggot.

still waiting for an official “blame the muslims”…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:17:01pm

Goes to show you what I’ve long believed to be a problem. Cutting funds just creates more problems down the road pun intended here.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:17:36pm

re: #105 A Mom Anon

They did away with it in GA about 20 yrs ago. You could opt out of your parents signed a form before that. But I guess liability insurance got to be more than most school districts wanted to pay so they did away with it.

I still don’t have my license- vision problems but the class was still helpful.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:18:15pm

re: #101 Jay C

Neither did I. Back in my day (OK, it was California in the 1960s) Drivers Ed was pretty much a requirement - I don’t recall even having the option to get out of it.

Though my HS did a good-enough job: we got to learn how to parallel-park and get on and off freeways in late-60s Chrysler sedans about the same size and weight as .light aircraft carriers.

Me: Ohio in the 60s. Driver’s Ed was required also. I took it in 9th grade.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:19:05pm

Tax season summary and political season kick-off.

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Old Liberal  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:19:08pm

re: #94 DodgerFan1988

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What a maggot.

I read some of the replies. “Churches being destroyed all across Europe “. “The Muslim attacks are being covered up”. With so much bullshit being believed intensely, it doesn’t look good for peace. Alternate facts will be the death of us.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:21:30pm

re: #111 Old Liberal

I read some of the replies. “Churches being destroyed all across Europe “. “The Muslim attacks are being covered up”. With so much bullshit being believed intensely, it doesn’t look good for peace. Alternate facts will be the death of us.

And this is why the Russian meddling is bad. Disinformation creates violence and havoc.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:21:30pm

re: #89 Old Liberal

I am aware of dozens of Lutheran churches on the more liberal end that have broken apart over LGBT acceptance. It runs throughout Christianity and is pervasive. There are islands of acceptance in a sea of intolerance.

I actually did something really odd for me and went to an early morning Easter service today at one such church, just to keep in touch with a Pastor who served with me last week on jury duty. Her church is a Reconciling in Christ congregation. Since I’m agnostic our belief systems don’t align, but our values do.

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Grunthos the Flatulent  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:22:16pm

re: #53 Decatur Deb

Finally addressed an issue that was identified in a Nipsey Russell monologue back in the 1970s.

Wonder if that was about the time of this New Yorker cartoon.

re: #57 allegro

Wow. That’s kind of a smack-between-the-eyeballs example of white standard privilege innit. I can honestly say that I have never given a moment’s thought to the color of band-aids.

If you’ve worked in food prep you’ll know they should all be bright blue.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:23:24pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Tax season summary and political season kick-off.

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DangerMan  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:24:34pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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also send haven’t moved to impeach the pres yet because they haven’t seen the supporting evidence, or th e full report. or interviewed witnesses

gah

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:25:24pm

re: #101 Jay C

It was an elective at my high school and pretty much everyone took it. No wonder people cant drive worth shit these days.

Drivers here are brutally bad, and every year they get worse. Add to that a shortage of traffic cops and you get a ridiculous free for all.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:27:33pm

re: #111 Old Liberal

I read some of the replies. “Churches being destroyed all across Europe “. “The Muslim attacks are being covered up”. With so much bullshit being believed intensely, it doesn’t look good for peace. Alternate facts will be the death of us.

The demographic shift away from religion is world-wide. Those who ‘have a church’ (or other religious institution) feel threatened. Historically, another religion is to blame for the threat, so this is where the blame is being thrown. The churches still fear the Ottoman Empire.

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steve_davis  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:29:30pm

re: #34 A Mom Anon

All the ER people at the hospital near us wear Croc type shoes for that reason. All rubber and easy to clean. One nurse told me she had never realized how much crap was on her shoes til her husband cleaned her car’s carpet and upholstery and showed her what the steam cleaner picked up. It’s heartbreakingly part of the job.

Dad’s damage from Vietnam came I’m sure mostly from having to wander around hospitals and MASH tents, praying for and giving last rites to young men destroyed by war. There were things about the war that he simply would not talk about. The time he had to bribe a Vietnamese government official with two cases of beer in order to let a young GI marry a native gal? He could talk about that. But friendly artillery fire aftermath, hospital rounds, nope. He made it 5 minutes into Saving Private Ryan before he had to turn that off. I imagine emergency room folks get pretty damaged over time as well.

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:31:00pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Favorite Nipsey Russell shtick:

He profoundly thanked the cosmetic industry for their solidarity in creating a skin tanning lotion and calling it Man Tan. In gratitude, he pledged to develop a skin bleach product and call it Yellow Fellow.

My favorite Nipsey Russell bit:

The opposite of pro is con
This much we know is true
If moving forward is progress
Then what does a congress do?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:32:58pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:33:41pm

re: #119 steve_davis

Dad’s damage from Vietnam came I’m sure mostly from having to wander around hospitals and MASH tents, praying for and giving last rites to young men destroyed by war. There were things about the war that he simply would not talk about. The time he had to bribe a Vietnamese government official with two cases of beer in order to let a young GI marry a native gal? He could talk about that. But friendly artillery fire aftermath, hospital rounds, nope. He made it 5 minutes into Saving Private Ryan before he had to turn that off. I imagine emergency room folks get pretty damaged over time as well.

I had a friend who went from EMT to nurse when he couldn’t do ‘ambulance’ any more.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:34:05pm

re: #119 steve_davis

Some hospitals are making therapy pretty much mandatory for trauma staff and doctors now. PTSD doesn’t just come from combat. I have a whole new level of respect for the people who work to save our lives after the last year and a half. I’d be a widow now if not for them. I can’t even wrap my head around doing all that and being in a war zone too.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:36:10pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

Some hospitals are making therapy pretty much mandatory for trauma staff and doctors now. PTSD doesn’t just come from combat. I have a whole new level of respect for the people who work to save our lives after the last year and a half. I’d be a widow now if not for them. I can’t even wrap my head around doing all that and being in a war zone too.

Therapy needs to be mandated for cops and firefighters, too. Maybe for everyone.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:36:31pm

re: #121 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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I hate that John Yoo makes sense but here we are.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:39:17pm

Yeah, Trump got cheap again!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:39:36pm

What’s fucked is it’s people like Yoo criticizing Trump that makes it easy for people like Greenwald to do the games tehy do with the left. Basically “These guys were wrong about Iraq and torture so blank.” Nevermind that despite what he claims, Trump supported Iraq and is surrounded by people like Pence and Bolton who voted for it or in Bolton’s case were part of the Exec Branch on it or the fact that Trump hoped for more torture.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:45:58pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

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plansbandc  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:46:04pm
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Renaissance_Man  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:47:02pm

re: #9 A Mom Anon

I think we need to do what MADD did. Every year, usually as soon as the weather gets nice in the spring, there are cars that were hit by drunk drivers towed to a prominent place in front of the local high schools in my county and kept there through graduation. So kids get an up close look at what happens when you drink and drive( and now text and drive) . I think mass shooting crime scene photos should be released to the public and enlarged to show detail. Along with testimony from ER doctors and medical professionals, fire and rescue units, police officers and those who lost loved ones. It’s insane that guns get a pass when all they are designed to do is kill. There are still way too many people who are stupid and careless with firearms, there is not one good reason to not launch a campaign of that nature to slap people upside the head. Nothing else is working.

Unfortunately while this works for cars and other forms of violent death, it will not work for guns. Americans love guns more than people. They don’t love driving, or alcohol, more than people.

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Cheechako  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:47:49pm

As I was skimming this thread, I noticed my Page on how the measles epidemic was spread had almost 6,000 views. Amazing!!

Thanks everyone on helping to get the information out on how epidemics get started.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:49:41pm

re: #128 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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And Glenn of course said nothing about Trump making Pence his running mate who supported the Bush Doctrine and also Bolton. Glenn’s a fucking hypocritical piece of shit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:50:14pm

re: #131 Cheechako

As I was skimming this thread, I noticed my Page on how the measles epidemic was spread had almost 6,000 views. Amazing!!

Thanks everyone on helping to get the information out on how epidemics get started.

Well done! I was really happy that so many of you read my page about misinformation.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:50:22pm

just rescued the first skink (minus tail) of the season from the cats.

It is now officially Spring in TheBackwoods.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:51:09pm

re: #129 plansbandc

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Remember how hard I laughed when my 4 year old nephew sang Morris Day’s “Fishnet…black panty hose…”

I laughed so hard I pulled something…

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:51:12pm

re: #130 Renaissance_Man

Unfortunately while this works for cars and other forms of violent death, it will not work for guns. Americans love guns more than people. They don’t love driving, or alcohol, more than people.

Culture can change. Americans used to love tobacco and think marijuana would make you psychotic. Some still do, but they mostly don’t make the rules anymore.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:51:41pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

I’d be perfectly happy to never hear from GG again and that someone had confiscated his soapbox. I have no idea why anyone takes that duplicitous fuck seriously and how/why he gets invited anywhere but Faux news to offer his takes….

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:52:32pm

Florida Man Strikes Again!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:53:39pm

re: #137 piratedan

I’d be perfectly happy to never hear from GG again and that someone had confiscated his soapbox. I have no idea why anyone takes that duplicitous fuck seriously and how/why he gets invited anywhere but Faux news to offer his takes….

Glenn and his buddy Michael Tracey are preparing for their next gig on Fox’s White Trash Power Hour with Tucker Carlson.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:54:12pm

re: #137 piratedan

I’d be perfectly happy to never hear from GG again and that someone had confiscated his soapbox. I have no idea why anyone takes that duplicitous fuck seriously and how/why he gets invited anywhere but Faux news to offer his takes….

He’s a hack. Pure and simple. I for one am proud that I never fell for the make Assenge, Chelsea Manning, and Edward Snowden into heroes stuff.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:55:50pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

Some hospitals are making therapy pretty much mandatory for trauma staff and doctors now. PTSD doesn’t just come from combat. I have a whole new level of respect for the people who work to save our lives after the last year and a half. I’d be a widow now if not for them. I can’t even wrap my head around doing all that and being in a war zone too.

A major FEMA deployment includes psychiatrists in case a person starts feeling like things aren’t quite right.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:58:59pm

re: #141 Belafon

A major FEMA deployment includes psychiatrists in case a person starts feeling like things aren’t quite right.

better late than never.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 3:59:51pm

re: #142 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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better late than never.

Because they don’t give a shit about disaster victims especially ones they know don’t look like them and didn’t vote for him.

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Renaissance_Man  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:06:02pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Culture can change. Americans used to love tobacco and think marijuana would make you psychotic. Some still do, but they mostly don’t make the rules anymore.

Culture can change, true. But opinions about tobacco and marijuana were never really religious in nature, not the same way gun worship is.

American gun worship is part of the ingrained social structure of the country. It’s as much a part of the nation as sports, as evangelical Christianity, as racism. All of these things, individually, aren’t really followed by a huge majority of the population any more. Most individual Americans aren’t racist, or evangelical Christians, and don’t follow a sport fervently. The power of the NRA is relatively small. But the power of these things isn’t just in the numbers of people that believe. It is also in the role they play in the fabric of the nation. Some of those roles are positive - sports are a bonding experience, and religion can be too. But some roles aren’t, and the role that guns play isn’t hunting, or sport shooting, or even self-defence. Guns, in American culture, represent the power of white men over the lives of the rest of us. That’s why the NRA never defends black men who get shot, or women who kill a man abusing them. That’s why an armed black man is a gang member, who must be put down by the state, while an armed white man is a hero, and if an armed white man kills a bunch of innocent people, then the nation quickly frames the idea that while that guy might not have been, armed white men in general are still heroes. The quiet part of the Second Amendment is that guns are for white men, and they are there so we don’t forget that white men can kill us if they want to.

That culture can change too. But it’s going to take a lot more than education campaigns, or shocking pictures. It’s going to take a change in how the culture approaches white male supremacy in general.

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Teukka  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:11:40pm

Dunno if this has been posted here before, but I got to this on my “Watch later” list:

The Trump Prophecy and the Evangelical Vote | Renegade Cut

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A Mom Anon  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:12:19pm

I suppose I should go eat and make some effort to get some things together for tomorrow’s errands and garden work. Have a great rest of the day Lizards. ❤️

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:13:45pm

re: #145 Teukka

Dunno if this has been posted here before, but I got to this on my “Watch later” list:

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Video

Thanks.

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wrenchwench  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:20:03pm

re: #144 Renaissance_Man

Culture can change, true. But opinions about tobacco and marijuana were never really religious in nature, not the same way gun worship is.

American gun worship is part of the ingrained social structure of the country. It’s as much a part of the nation as sports, as evangelical Christianity, as racism. All of these things, individually, aren’t really followed by a huge majority of the population any more. Most individual Americans aren’t racist, or evangelical Christians, and don’t follow a sport fervently. The power of the NRA is relatively small. But the power of these things isn’t just in the numbers of people that believe. It is also in the role they play in the fabric of the nation. Some of those roles are positive - sports are a bonding experience, and religion can be too. But some roles aren’t, and the role that guns play isn’t hunting, or sport shooting, or even self-defence. Guns, in American culture, represent the power of white men over the lives of the rest of us. That’s why the NRA never defends black men who get shot, or women who kill a man abusing them. That’s why an armed black man is a gang member, who must be put down by the state, while an armed white man is a hero, and if an armed white man kills a bunch of innocent people, then the nation quickly frames the idea that while that guy might not have been, armed white men in general are still heroes. The quiet part of the Second Amendment is that guns are for white men, and they are there so we don’t forget that white men can kill us if they want to.

That culture can change too. But it’s going to take a lot more than education campaigns, or shocking pictures. It’s going to take a change in how the culture approaches white male supremacy in general.

Can you explain that to Gabby Giffords? I’d be really impressed if you convinced Mark Kelly, too, as he runs for Senator.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:24:22pm

re: #110 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Tax season summary and political season kick-off.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:31:42pm

I’m increasingly seeing MAGA-types posting a Yahoo . com article by Isikoff (sp?) about how “Obama ordered his administration to ‘stand down’” from active measures against Russian interference. They are posting as if Obama was allowing it to happen to undermine Trump. It’s true that, in hindsight, Obama was a fool for thinking the Republicans would work with him to prevent an attack by a foreign aggressor. But that’s only a small part of the article. It adds the context that there was deep concern that taking too aggressive action at the end of an election would be seen as anti-democratic. They were wrong. But the whole, ‘Obama let the Russians interfere in order to trap Trump’ is so fucking asinine.

But “Hillary lost to set up Trump” is one of the on-going theories out there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:32:34pm

re: #150 Barefoot Grin

I’m increasingly seeing MAGA-types posting a Yahoo . com article by Isikoff (sp?) about how “Obama ordered his administration to ‘stand down’” from active measures against Russian interference. They are posting as if Obama was allowing it to happen to undermine Trump. It’s true that, in hindsight, Obama was a fool for thinking the Republicans would work with him to prevent an attack by a foreign aggressor. But that’s only a small part of the article. It adds the context that there was deep concern that taking too aggressive action at the end of an election would be seen as anti-democratic. They were wrong. But the whole, ‘Obama let the Russians interfere in order to trap Trump’ is so fucking asinine.

But “Hillary lost to set up Trump” is one of the on-going theories out there.

It’s a load of shit.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:36:33pm

re: #150 Barefoot Grin

complete bullshit… Obama approached McConnell to stand together to decry Russian interference, McConnell turned around and told him that he would make it a partisan issue if he did.

With the state of the media, how do YOU think it would have unfolded. The state of the Media is that the GOP position is the DEFAULT position, Dems have to bring receipts and are the only ones who apparently have any agency, as the GOP can’t apparently help itself from who they elect and how they behave.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:38:01pm

moron

in his own words: “it would be so easy…”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:39:22pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

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in his own words: “it would be so easy…”

Lock him up.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:39:58pm

This crap just pisses me off so much. How nakedly autocratic he is.

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:41:41pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

And his base is gobbling it up as fast as he can serve it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:42:25pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

moron

Donald J. Trump ✔
@realDonaldTrump
How do you impeach a Republican President for a crime that was committed by the Democrats? MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

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6:35 PM - Apr 21, 2019

in his own words: “it would be so easy…”

Surely the words of a man that is the happiest he has been in a long time and is completely exonerated from having colluded with Russia and has no obstruction charges brought about by Mueller.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:44:09pm

re: #152 piratedan

complete bullshit… Obama approached McConnell to stand together to decry Russian interference, McConnell turned around and told him that he would make it a partisan issue if he did.

With the state of the media, how do YOU think it would have unfolded. The state of the Media is that the GOP position is the DEFAULT position, Dems have to bring receipts and are the only ones who apparently have any agency, as the GOP can’t apparently help itself from who they elect and how they behave.

Not complete bullshit. I think Isikoff is a good reporter. It was Susan Rice who thwarted an aggressive response “because it would limit the President’s options later.” That is plausible. So, there were frustrated Intelligence officials who wanted to do more. But that’s where it ends. It starts again with McConnell refusing to work with the President. And then Obama had to take extreme measures—the closing of Russian facilities and expelling dozens of Russians here. That’s why Flynn had to tell his Russian counterparts not to freak out—Trump would reverse it all.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:49:26pm

I blame three sets of individuals. Putin and the Russians of course. Trump and his team/family. And McConnell.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:49:43pm

re: #158 Barefoot Grin

I think I take offence at the framing….

Obama could have done more… rather than the real question… why did McConnell resist? The nature of electoral process was at threat from an outside foreign power.

Why did McConnell have the response that he had…. WHY?

That’s the question that needs answering, not this revisionist history that Dems could have/should have done more.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:51:00pm

re: #160 piratedan

I think I take offence at the framing….

Obama could have done more… rather than the real question… why did McConnell resist? The nature of electoral process was at threat from an outside foreign power.

Why did McConnell have the response that he had…. WHY?

That’s the question that needs answering, not this revisionist history that Dems could have/should have done more.

Short answer. McConnell cared more about what was good for his party than his country. And that’s exactly why Mitch McConnell needs to be remembered as one of the worst Americans in history. History will not remember him well.

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piratedan  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:54:53pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

tbh, I think he was not only complicit, I believe he helped to arrange and handled introductions between mayhem and opportunity. I believe that he helped coordinate the efforts of voter suppression in the key battleground states and along with Priebus, helped to direct the efforts on when and where the ratfucking would do the most good.

Because not only does he get to appoint more conservative scotus judges, they’re assured of packing the courts to their hearts content, give tax breaks to their sponsors and generally undo everything that Obama got done and enrich himself personally by getting his wife in the cabinet, no conflict of interest there….

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 4:56:25pm

re: #162 piratedan

tbh, I think he was not only complicit, I believe he helped to arrange and handled introductions between mayhem and opportunity. I believe that he helped coordinate the efforts of voter suppression in the key battleground states and along with Priebus, helped to direct the efforts on who and where the ratfucking would do the most good.

Because not only does he get to appoint more conservative scotus judges, they’re assured of packing the courts to their hearts content, give tax breaks to their sponsors and generally undo everything that Obama got done and enrich himself personally by getting his wife in the cabinet, no conflict of interest there….

His wife is in the cabinet. There definitely was something to gain for Mitch by going on with this. I really hope Amy McGrath kicks him to the curb next fall. I’m doubtful she’ll win but stranger things have happened. I want Mitch to spend the rest of his life in jail or litigation hell. I want his past to catch up to him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:00:12pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Short answer. McConnell cared more about what was good for his party than his country. And that’s exactly why Mitch McConnell needs to be remembered as one of the worst Americans in history. History will not remember him well.

McConnell doesn’t even care about the party anymore.
It’s all just for him now.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:01:52pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

McConnell doesn’t even care about the party anymore.
It’s all just for him now.

Yeah that’s true. Do you think McGrath could beat him or doubtful?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:03:15pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Yeah that’s true. Do you think McGrath could beat him or doubtful?

yes, she can beat him

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:04:25pm

re: #166 Backwoods_Sleuth

yes, she can beat him

She seems more savvy than the last candidate that ran against him, Grimes. I really didn’t like how she denied even voting for Obama. I get that distancing herself from Obama was a given but still.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:10:46pm

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I still believe that there are more people out there who want to see him nominated than actually want to see him win the election…

Which is scary. I’m not sure if this country can survive four more years of the naked bigotry and grifting which is embodied in the Trump administration.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:11:40pm

re: #164 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s getting a whole lot of lifetime judicial appointments through so that will probably be his legacy.

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Interesting Times  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:13:46pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

She seems more savvy than the last candidate that ran against him, Grimes. I really didn’t like how she denied even voting for Obama. I get that distancing herself from Obama was a given but still.

I’d say it’s evidence that being mealy-mouthed or wishy-washy is a guaranteed way to get everyone to despise you. Even those who vehemently disagree with a position tend to feel a grudging respect for those who take a stand in its favor, especially if it comes at personal risk. Also, loyalty is something that tends to be respected as well. If Grimes had defended Obama for bringing much-needed health insurance to KY, she might still have lost, but at least it would have been with some dignity. What Dems (other than Manchin) who ran away from Obama actually did well?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:14:31pm

re: #149 William Lewis

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:15:09pm

re: #169 Patricia Kayden

He’s getting a whole lot of lifetime judicial appointments through so that will probably be his legacy.

His legacy will be destroying the relationship between the two parties in the Senate and how he was completely willing to ignore the Constitution to get what he wanted.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:16:54pm
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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:22:11pm

Oh, BTW, happy easter…

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:24:38pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:27:04pm

re: #175 Dave In Austin

I might add, Dorsey looks legit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:31:43pm

re: #175 Dave In Austin

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Another strongman for Trump to admire.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:34:16pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Read that article if you get a chance.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:34:19pm

Separation of Church and State, what is that?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:41:05pm

re: #179 teleskiguy

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:42:13pm

re: #168 Patricia Kayden

Which is scary. I’m not sure if this country can survive four more years of the naked bigotry and grifting which is embodied in the Trump administration.

My Trumpster brother was again ranting today about “no collusion” and how within 6 months there will be many people in orange jump suits — possibly including Obama among them. Of course, my brother hasn’t read the redacted report, only the Barr letter, if even that.

We think these Trump fanatics are off the rails — but after watching Barr’s performance on Thursday, there is a frightening possibility we could soon lose our Constitutional rights and opposition lawmakers and civil servants will be imprisoned because they don’t kowtow to the orange menace. Our judiciary is now infested with those who share these views — who are racist, anti-immigrant, anti-gay, and anti-press freedom.

I alternate between hope that we will emerge triumphant in 2020 and despair that we will fail and lose our future. Either scenario is possible - and I don’t give us more than a 50% chance of success.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:44:42pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:46:10pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:49:36pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:50:26pm

re: #183 Backwoods_Sleuth

When your country sucks so bad that the French are dunking on you, you know shit is real.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:51:06pm

re: #184 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Whoever does that kind of thing.”

Good fucking grief.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:58:19pm
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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 5:58:49pm

The Woke Joe Walsh transformation will be complete when he endorses a Democrat for president.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:05:48pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:12:39pm

re: #138 Joe Bacon 🌹

Florida Man Strikes Again!

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Florida Man pretending to be a cop pulls over cop pretending not to be.

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:16:50pm

Maybe the appeal to Trump of the Libyan strongman is how his name Hifter resembles Hitler. // (half)

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:17:52pm

re: #191 BlueSpotinAL

Maybe the appeal to Trump of the Libyan strongman is how his name Hifter resembles Hitler. // (half)

Is he the leader of the National Bocialist Party?

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:19:32pm

re: #181 Hecuba’s daughter

If the American people allow the Trump regime to arrest its political opponents on baseless charges, this country will be fully gone over to fascism. The majority who don’t support Trump need to rise up long before this happens. We’re too complacent.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:22:23pm

re: #172 Belafon

His legacy will be destroying the relationship between the two parties in the Senate and how he was completely willing to ignore the Constitution to get what he wanted.

Sadly, I think he’s fine with that legacy as long as he gets judges like Gorsuch and Kavanaugh through.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:24:32pm

So, the friend who admits Trump is a lying pig who really, really wanted to obstruct justice but was prevented from doing so by not-quite-as-unscrupulous underlings, but we should move on, also thinks that Obama fanned the flames of racial division.

It seems to me that the flames of racial division are always burning nice and hot for nonwhites, and it’s only when we white folk are asked not to ignore them that we even notice them, and then we feel put upon.

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TedStriker  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:26:54pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

Florida Man pretending to be a cop pulls over cop pretending not to be.

Whoops…

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:27:50pm

re: #196 TedStriker

Whoops…

“How was I supposed to know you were a cop?”

“You’re not. That’s the point.”

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:30:35pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

It’s Obama’s fault for getting elected.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:31:11pm

re: #198 GlutenFreeJesus

It’s Obama’s fault for getting elected.

Obama’s fault being a black man who didn’t deny it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:35:04pm

re: #199 HappyWarrior

Obama’s fault being a black man who didn’t deny it.

Honest to god, they really thought that electing a black guy President would mean black folks would have to shut up, which for them is what ‘good race relations’ look like - nothing changes in the racial discrimination in criminal justice, or society in general, but black folks don’t complain about it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:36:43pm

November 2008:

Black folks: “America elected a black man President! Now maybe they’re ready to listen!”

White folks: “American elected a black man President! Now we don’t have to listen!”

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:37:29pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:41:13pm

re: #201 Blind Frog Belly White

November 2008:

Black folks: “America elected a black man President! Now maybe they’re ready to listen!”

White folks: “American elected a black man President! Now we don’t have to listen!”

Don’t get me started on people like Bill Maher, Michael Moore, and others, all whiter than a baby’s bum moaning that Obama didn’t act “black” enough for them too. I think a lot of white holier than thou lefty types have no idea about the pressures that politicians of color face that white ones don’t.

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Old Liberal  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:41:19pm

re: #186 Eclectic Cyborg

“Whoever does that kind of thing.”

Good fucking grief.

Laughter is the best medicine

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:42:05pm

re: #202 Joe Bacon 🌹

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I’m old enough to remember when the Republicans would call this the Nanny State but I guess it’s okay if they do it. TBH I don’t like this idea. I hate tobacco but if you can vote, you can smoke a cigarette and drink a beer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:43:01pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

Honest to god, they really thought that electing a black guy President would mean black folks would have to shut up, which for them is what ‘good race relations’ look like - nothing changes in the racial discrimination in criminal justice, or society in general, but black folks don’t complain about it.

I really really think a lot of them thought that electing a black guy would absolve America’s racist sins and past/present. It’s never worked that way. And man do not get me started on Bernie Sanders acting like he would be more of a racial healer than Obama.

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makeitstop  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:43:29pm

re: #160 piratedan

I think I take offence at the framing….

Obama could have done more… rather than the real question… why did McConnell resist? The nature of electoral process was at threat from an outside foreign power.

Why did McConnell have the response that he had…. WHY?

That’s the question that needs answering, not this revisionist history that Dems could have/should have done more.

I wonder if it’s possible for the House Judiciary Committee to subpoena McConnell…

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:50:13pm

re: #190 Blind Frog Belly White

Florida Man pretending to be a cop pulls over cop pretending not to be.

I’ve had this happen to me.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:52:38pm

Facebook Post

Born ca. 1810 to 1820. Photography, the telegraph, railroads, the telephone, the airplane, and radio had all been invented within the lifetimes of these men.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:56:40pm

re: #209 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Born ca. 1810 to 1820. Photography, the telegraph, railroads, the telephone, the airplane, and radio had all been invented within the lifetimes of these men.

My third grandmother was born in that era. She died in 1908. She was born in a part of Ireland where I think English only really in the 60’s became the primary language and she herself never learned English. No photos of her but that photo and you pointing out all the changes that those men witnessed made me think of her. The daughter mentioned is the Great Aunt who helped raised my Nana when my Nana’s mother- Bridget’s granddaughter died.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:56:56pm

My Twitter timeline is fucking rotten with Game of Thrones right now. People are fucking *obsessed* with that shit.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 6:59:12pm

It still amazes me what one person’s life can encompass. I can remember when Harry Truman was President and I actually met Winston Churchill. I knew people who could remember the Civil War. I knew World War II veterans when they were still young. It goes on and on, and I could live another 30 years.

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”-William Faulkner

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:00:50pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:00:58pm

OH HAI!

We are still enjoying the Passover Week holiday. My little granddaughter said the Ma Nishtana (4 Questions) at the Seder so nicely, she received a Wonder Woman action figure the first night and an LOL the second night.

I am having so much fun with my li’l cuties.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:01:07pm

For the last couple of Easters I’ve posted to social media this song. Tishamingo are friends of mine, I’ve taken them skiing a few times, and I saw a bunch of their concerts when they were a band in the early aughts. It’s a good Easter song.

Mitchell

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:02:52pm

re: #212 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It still amazes me what one person’s life can encompass. I can remember when Harry Truman was President and I actually met Winston Churchill. I knew people who could remember the Civil War. I knew World War II veterans when they were still young. It goes on and on, and I could live another 30 years.

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”-William Faulkner

As you know, I’m one of the youngest Lizards but even I was born into a time where there were still a good amount of WWI vets left. I think about my niece and how she will either live into the next century herself or certainly interact with people who will. I’ve always been fascinated by that too. It makes my family history research that more fascinating. And I of course think about all that went on and how they responded to it. That third grandmother above survived the Potato Famine. You sure as hell bet I take Give Me Your Hungry seriously when I know that about my story. Mayo where she was from was particularly hard hit.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:03:37pm

re: #212 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

It still amazes me what one person’s life can encompass. I can remember when Harry Truman was President and I actually met Winston Churchill. I knew people who could remember the Civil War. I knew World War II veterans when they were still young. It goes on and on, and I could live another 30 years.

“The past is never dead. It’s not even past.”-William Faulkner

I remember the ice cream man who came down my street. He was an old white hair man whose name was “Scotty” and he was a veteran of “The Great War.” Not WW2 which our own dads were veterans of, but The War To End Wars, The War Against The Kaiser.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:04:12pm

re: #214 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI!

We are still enjoying the Passover Week holiday. My little granddaughter said the Ma Nishtana (4 Questions) at the Seder so nicely, she received a Wonder Woman action figure the first night and an LOL the second night.

I am having so much fun with my li’l cuties.

My niece’s joy about Easter is so contagious. She really enjoyed the traditional Slovak foods she had today like the bread and nutroll but she also enjoyed the more modern and Americanized things like the ramen salad and corn casserole her mom made.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:04:50pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

Black folk will shut up when cops stop shooting down unarmed Black men and women.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:07:01pm

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

I remember the ice cream man who came down my street. He was an old white hair man whose name was “Scotty” and he was a veteran of “The Great War.” Not WW2 which our own dads were veterans of, but The War To End Wars, The War Against The Kaiser.

My Dad’s father as he was the youngest son of a youngest child was a lot younger than his cousins so a lot of his older male cousins were WWI veterans including one I discovered was a POW. All the more interesting since their grandfather, my same second great grandfather who was a Civil War veteran was from Germany and my grandfather’s father came from Germany himself as a little one. He died in the last years of WWII. I would love to know what he thought about what was going on. I know for a fact he was in contact with family in Germany since I was given a letter by a spouse of a distant relative, I believe the letter was written to the relative’s father or uncle.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:08:15pm

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

I remember the ice cream man who came down my street. He was an old white hair man whose name was “Scotty” and he was a veteran of “The Great War.” Not WW2 which our own dads were veterans of, but The War To End Wars, The War Against The Kaiser.

When I think of people who saw a lot, I don’t think of my Dad who lived to be 100, but of his father, who was born before the airplane and lived to see men land on the Moon, then lived to see us stop going there because it had been done already.

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freetoken  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:12:23pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

I think I’ve written this before… but my grandfather was born before the first (supposedly) automobile, the Benz Patent Motor Car. He didn’t die until well into the Space Shuttle series. He lived to see a lot of stuff in his life.

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ipsos  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:12:32pm

On FB responding to a once-sane friend of mine who’s gotten infected… he posted the uber-stupid d’Souza tweet today with the counterfactual claim that the Sri Lanka attacks haven’t gotten media coverage.

This friend (who’s still a friend after all of this) worked in the media, as did I. We’ll see how he responds to the rundowns I posted of just how much of a lead story it’s been across all media outlets all day. (Fun fact: it’s been the lead story on every NPR hourly newscast since it broke at 1 AM ET, except for one hour, 3 PM ET, when it was the second story because the Ukraine election news had just broken.)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:12:44pm

re: #221 Blind Frog Belly White

When I think of people who saw a lot, I don’t think of my Dad who lived to be 100, but of his father, who was born before the airplane and lived to see men land on the Moon, then lived to see us stop going there because it had been done already.

My Nana was 12 years old when the Titanic went down, the same age that I was when Kennedy was shot, and the same age as my youngest daughter on 9/11.

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:14:30pm

I met a fellow at the Red Onion in Aspen last year, he was almost 100 years old. There he was, sitting on the corner of the bar, drinking a Budweiser bottle and looking out the window, that’s all he did was look out the window. I said hello, we talked. I found out he had lived in Aspen since he was a teenager (he moved to the area to work in the mines during the Great Depression). He joined the Marines and fought in the Pacific, he was in his 30s when he did that. He moved back to Aspen after WWII and learned how to ski, and became a ski instructor in the 60s, he was damn near in his 50s when that happened. Before the ski areas opened he talked about “the quiet time” in town, how harsh it was to even survive the winters in Aspen during the 50s. Him and I talked for about an hour, most fascinating conversation I’ve had with a stranger in a long time. Dude’s name is Paul, never got his last name. He left while I was finishing a whisky drink, slowly walking out with a walker and all, and the barkeep told me “That’s the most he talked to someone in a long time.”

I wonder about that dude. His stories of Aspen back in the day so fascinated me!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:14:41pm

It would all make an interesting story when you think about it. A lot of these men and women were born before houses had electricity or if they were born after didn’t have it for a long time and yet they lived into the Space Age. I really cherish every opportunity I get when I can learn about an ancestor as someone more than just a raw data point. My Dad’s oldest cousin told me a lot about their grandfather who died when my Dad was little. This was an interesting man. His father, aunts, and uncles ran a tavern just outside of Pittsburgh and Pap Pap as they called him was a great horseman and I think inspired my Nana’s love of horses. He I think was a teamster originally but somehow got a job as an elevator operator at the Union Trust Building in Pittsburgh. That fascinates me since Elevator Operators are almost obsolete but at that time it was an important job.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:16:54pm

re: #225 teleskiguy

I met a fellow at the Red Onion in Aspen last year, he was almost 100 years old. There he was, sitting on the corner of the bar, drinking a Budweiser bottle and looking out the window, that’s all he did was look out the window. I said hello, we talked. I found out he had lived in Aspen since he was a teenager (he moved to the area to work in the mines during the Great Depression). He joined the Marines and fought in the Pacific, he was in his 30s when he did that. He moved back to Aspen after WWII and learned how to ski, and became a ski instructor in the 60s, he was damn near in his 50s when that happened. Before the ski areas opened he talked about “the quiet time” in town, how harsh it was to even survive the winters in Aspen during the 50s. Him and I talked for about an hour, most fascinating conversation I’ve had with a stranger in a long time. Dude’s name is Paul, never got his last name. He left while I was finishing a whisky drink, slowly walking out with a walker and all, and the barkeep told me “That’s the most he talked to someone in a long time.”

I wonder about that dude. His stories of Aspen back in the day so fascinated me!

Yeah I bet that was a very fascinating conversation especially given how much Aspen has changed in the years he’s lived there and of course all he’s seen.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:18:00pm

re: #217 The Vicious Babushka

I remember the ice cream man who came down my street. He was an old white hair man whose name was “Scotty” and he was a veteran of “The Great War.” Not WW2 which our own dads were veterans of, but The War To End Wars, The War Against The Kaiser.

My great uncle who lived on the farm next door to us when I was growing up had his M1917 steel pot in the basement of his house and my cousin and I would play with it. He’d been a horse drawn caisson driver taking ammo to the front. I never got any stories from him but I bought an M1917 I found in an antique shop to remember him by. He was my grandpa’s older half brother.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:20:46pm

I had this silly idea to write fictional but trying to be historically accurate based off my research little stories into the lives of my ancestors. Like I wonder things what my ancestor was doing on a given day like the declaration of war in WWI or even just a random day when they were my age. Genealogical research is much more enjoyable and I’m sure Freetoken and any other lizard who has done this will back me up here but it’s much more enjoyable when you see your ancestors as people rather than just numbers and a point of relation.

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:25:08pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

I had this silly idea to write fictional but trying to be historically accurate based off my research little stories into the lives of my ancestors. Like I wonder things what my ancestor was doing on a given day like the declaration of war in WWI or even just a random day when they were my age. Genealogical research is much more enjoyable and I’m sure Freetoken and any other lizard who has done this will back me up here but it’s much more enjoyable when you see your ancestors as people rather than just numbers and a point of relation.

That would be an interesting concept to use for a series of drabbles. What’s that, I hear you ask. A drabble is a story in exactly 100 words. A favorite author of mine used the concept for the epilogue of a novel, showing the same even from a number of perspectives in a very efficient use of words and emotion.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:30:17pm

re: #230 William Lewis

That would be an interesting concept to use for a series of drabbles. What’s that, I hear you ask. A drabble is a story in exactly 100 words. A favorite author of mine used the concept for the epilogue of a novel, showing the same even from a number of perspectives in a very efficient use of words and emotion.

I remember writing something like that. Esquire had this contest some years back about doing a short, short story in 79 words exactly or something to celebrate their anniversary. I submitted this. It didn’t win but I was proud of it:
The Expat
He stood at the ship’s rear. His whole life was contained in a bag. To say goodbye to home is never an easy proposition. His cigarette is lit and he lets out a cough. The seagulls squeak and the whales lament. The ship sets out and slowly the only land he’s ever known disappears from his eyes. The only thing ahead of his eyes is a vast ocean of blue. And then the sun goes down for the expat.

A lot of my fictional writing is honestly inspired by The Lost Generation and people trying to find themselves.

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retired cynic  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:39:26pm

re: #219 Patricia Kayden

Black folk will shut up when cops stop shooting down unarmed Black men and women.

I think that’s the minimum. I’d keep yelling about other things, if it was me!

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:53:53pm

re: #229 HappyWarrior

I had this silly idea to write fictional but trying to be historically accurate based off my research little stories into the lives of my ancestors. Like I wonder things what my ancestor was doing on a given day like the declaration of war in WWI or even just a random day when they were my age. Genealogical research is much more enjoyable and I’m sure Freetoken and any other lizard who has done this will back me up here but it’s much more enjoyable when you see your ancestors as people rather than just numbers and a point of relation.

I know I discovered some things I’d never known - like my Great Grandmother Annie May Dignal Smith’s family had lived in the Allegheny County Home for the poor in 1870. Also that year, my 3-greats Grandmother Jane Smith died in Glencoe Minnesota, having moved there with her daughter Verlinda and her husband.

And then I discovered that there is a trove of Pittsburgh City Directories from the last half of the 19th Century, in which I found my ancestors, and I spent hours on Google Street View virtually wandering the streets of the South Side, and discovering that at one point, the Dignals lived in a half of the narrowest duplex I’ve ever seen.

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TedStriker  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:55:30pm

re: #219 Patricia Kayden

Black folk will shut up when cops stop shooting down unarmed Black men and women.

re: #232 retired cynic

I think that’s the minimum. I’d keep yelling about other things, if it was me!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:40:40pm

re: #233 Blind Frog Belly White

I know I discovered some things I’d never known - like my Great Grandmother Annie May Dignal Smith’s family had lived in the Allegheny County Home for the poor in 1870. Also that year, my 3-greats Grandmother Jane Smith died in Glencoe Minnesota, having moved there with her daughter Verlinda and her husband.

And then I discovered that there is a trove of Pittsburgh City Directories from the last half of the 19th Century, in which I found my ancestors, and I spent hours on Google Street View virtually wandering the streets of the South Side, and discovering that at one point, the Dignals lived in a half of the narrowest duplex I’ve ever seen.

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The Pittsburgh city directories are amazing. My family was all North Side so they technically we’re Allegheny City residents.


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