A Powerful Live Performance by Scottish Songwriter Karine Polwart: NPR Music Tiny Desk Concert

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April 10, 2019 | Suraya Mohamed — Scottish singer, songwriter and essayist Karine Polwart seldom comes stateside. She prefers to limit air travel in order to minimize her carbon footprint. She took exception, however, to fly from Edinburgh to New York City to participate in the Carnegie Hall Migrations festival, a celebration of the history of the movement of people all around the world. Polwart and her brother, guitarist Steven Polwart and multi-instrumentalist, Inge Thomson, then escaped New York for a day to play the Tiny Desk here in Washington, D.C.

Polwart writes songs about hope, music that harnesses spiritual power and lyrics that address important social justice themes. Stories of human emotion and the human experience are also commonplace as in the first tune, “Ophelia.”

“There’s a wind in from the desert
Red dust blows across the sun
It bleeds into the evening
We watch it from the garden
Your hair glints in the strange yellow light
We let go of all our fighting
Ophelia”

Her second song at the desk, “I Burn But I Am Not Consumed,” includes a mesmerizing spoken word denunciation of President Donald Trump, while the closing tune, “King of Birds,” praises the power of small things. In it Polwart recounts the legend of a wren who piggybacks a lift on an eagle’s wing. Just as the large bird is unable to fly any higher in the sky, the tiny wren catches a breath of air, soars higher than the eagle and is crowned the king of all birds.

“At Ludgate Hill
where the towers of smoke and mirrors bruise the sky
the pilgrims huddle in
as the tiny King of Birds begins to cry
the people start to sing
to light glory in the dark
to ring the bell
and to breathe hope in every heart”

Lyricism and messages of hope and beauty heard throughout punctuate a stunning accompaniment of inventive instrumentation. The steady, resonant guitar riffs played by Steven Polwart ground the delicate vocal harmonies. Inge Thomson’s accordion lines, combined with an array of percussion instruments and synth-generated effects, add a complimentary layer of sound without overpowering the music. Karine Polwart’s bellowing and drone-like Shruti box provides a sweet serenity.

This performance will quite likely inspire you to learn more about Polwart. The NPR program, The Thistle and Shamrock often features her music. This recent episode features cuts from Polwart’s latest album, plus her ideas on movement and migration.

SET LIST
“Ophelia”
“I Burn But I Am Not Consumed”
“King of Birds”

MUSICIANS
Karine Polwart: vocals, guitar, shruti box; Steven Polwart: guitar, vocals; Inge Thomson: accordion, percussion, noises, vocals

CREDITS
Producers: Suraya Mohamed, Morgan Noelle Smith ; Creative Director: Bob Boilen; Audio Engineer: Josh Rogosin; Videographers: Morgan Noelle Smith, Beck Harlan, CJ Riculan; Production Assistant: Adelaide Sandstrom; Photo: Amir Alfiky/NPR

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:42:48pm

New music from Karine Polwart, way cool! I first found her music in the band Malinky. At the time I had to order from a merchant in Scotland as i could not find their music in the States. And now its on Youtube.

Here’s a couple of different takes on relationships:

Malinky- Pad the Road Wi Me

Billy Taylor

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 7:59:15pm

And, she is unimpressed with Trump, whose mother came from Tong on The Isle of Lewis, Scotland:

(From the second song of the NPR Tiny Desk set “I Burn But I Am Not Consumed”)

“Your mother was a wee girl once,
who played upon my rocky shore.
And you, you are broken boy,
and you want more and more and more.
You build a tower. You build a wall,
You live in fear that they might fall.
You who see nothing but your face
in the sheen of The Hudson River.”

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teleskiguy  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:00:20pm

BUTTEREMAILS!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:02:08pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

BUTTEREMAILS!

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Got any proof of that, Rudy? Or did you pull that one one from your ass. You’re an embarrassment.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:03:44pm

It infuriates me so much how these Republicans who love to fucking crow how patriotic thy are saying it was okay and acceptable to accept help from a hostile foreign government and then to lie about ti and cover it up. Rudy can go to hell. He was never my mayor anyhow. Maybe you should rename yourself Russia’s mayor, Rudy because you as shit aren’t America’s the way you bent backwards for Moscow Donnie.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:04:51pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

I pretty much call them out immediately.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:12:52pm

Llre: #6 Dave In Austin

I pretty much call them out immediately.

As you should. There is nothing patriotic about being grateful a little autocratic KGB man interfered in our election.

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Belafon  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:21:27pm
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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:42:58pm

re: #3 teleskiguy

I saw that Giuliani was on the weekend talks spewing this nonsense. This is not serious discourse. This is just obfuscation, distratction and lying.

I consider shows having he and his ilk to be a complete waste of my time. Shows that do this nonsense too often, including Meet the Chuck, end up on my don’t watch list.

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mmmirele  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:49:20pm

Yeah, so I went out and protested with my signs. It was nearly as frustrating as last week, but the worst I got languagewise was telling some guy he was a “butthead” for saying I was going to hell.

They had kids out there today, trying to “educate” me. I was horrified, these kids are being taught lies. They’re being told the earth is between six thousand and ten thousand years old and that evolution is a lie. (For the record, those are two different things.) Years ago I might have been willing to blow that off, but today I was all, “kids, these people are lying to you.” I was not having any of it.

They had a video of me posted to their church web page and of course I got called all sorts of names, baby killer, got blood on my hands, told I worshiped the wrong Jesus, told I was going to hell, more than once. And they think they know more about denominations and beliefs than I do. I have spent most of my adult life trying to figure this out before giving up and saying “It’s only about Jesus.” (And that’s only for me. I don’t know about other people because, guess what, I’m not living their lives!)

Oh, and the reason they condemn me and tell me I’m going to hell? Because I don’t demonstrate the right fruit, according to them. In their minds, I’m supposed to be meek, mild and agree with them. *rolls eyes* Funny how that works, eh?

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William Lewis  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:56:02pm

re: #10 mmmirele

As I said earlier, you’re an inspiration to me. Thank you for your efforts.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:58:40pm

This is a fascinating thread.

It argues that the data hacks from FaceBook, Google, Equifax and others were a deliberate, systematic data collection and microtargeting effort by the Trump Campaign and their allies. In terms of how such collected might have been used, I just cannot think that way, so cannot judge it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 8:58:57pm

I’m seeing Mayor Pete poked the hornets nest with some comments he made about Bernie’s supporters being like Trunp’s. Didn’t Bernie himself say it was unfair to characterize Trump supporters as bigots? The Sanders campaign can dish out a lot but can’t take it. If I never hear neoliberal again by some smug lefty asshole who doesn’t know shit about economic realities again I’ll be happy.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:01:21pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

Others can probably better judge this issue, but with Sanders twitter, as with Trump twitter, I do wonder how much is grassroots and how much is astroturf.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:04:40pm

re: #14 ckkatz

Others can probably better judge this issue, but with Sanders twitter, as with Trump twitter, I do wonder how much is grassroots and how much is astroturf.

I know some lefties from my older days who sincerely think Bernie’s the best ever and pretty much everyone else is a neoliberal corporate sellout. It’s depressing.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:07:11pm

While everyone else was thinking outside the box I made it bigger on the inside.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:07:44pm

I mean. I get ideologically why people find Bernie appealing but at the same time, I’m disgusted by his terrible record both when it comes to immigrants and talking about them. He doesn’t seem to value them.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:12:20pm

I agree that there is anecdotal data on strong Bernie supporters. And I agree that I have many limitations in my understanding of Bernie and his movement.

But I guess that I still have some doubts about how much of his support is true grassroots and how much is ginned either internally within his movement, or externally by allies and fellow travelers. Certainly, on the surface, it seems to me that something has, as they say in programming, a “bad smell”.

In the end, though, I suspect that you have a much better feel for what is going on in the Bernie movement than I do.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:12:44pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

I know some lefties from my older days who sincerely think Bernie’s the best ever and pretty much everyone else is a neoliberal corporate sellout. It’s depressing.

A FB quote from a Bernie supporter who did end up voting for Hillary: “The DNC messed up Bernie’s campaign… Bernie would have been the nominee if not for their dirty tricks.”

But many who held this view voted for Jill.

These people are real fanatics and I wouldn’t count on their doing the right thing if Bernie once again does not get the nomination.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:17:57pm

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

A FB quote from a Bernie supporter who did end up voting for Hillary: “The DNC messed up Bernie’s campaign… Bernie would have been the nominee if not for their dirty tricks.”

But many who held this view voted for Jill.

These people are real fanatics and I wouldn’t count on their doing the right thing if Bernie once again does not get the nomination.

If Bernie got robbed by the DNC in 2016 then HRC did by Obama in 2008. Their obsession with the idea he’s the only true progressive is dangerous and he does nothing to change that lie.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:21:33pm

re: #18 ckkatz

I agree that there is anecdotal data on strong Bernie supporters. And I agree that I have many limitations in my understanding of Bernie and his movement.

But I guess that I still have some doubts about how much of his support is true grassroots and how much is ginned either internally within his movement, or externally by allies and fellow travelers. Certainly, on the surface, it seems to me that something has, as they say in programming, a “bad smell”.

In the end, though, I suspect that you have a much better feel for what is going on in the Bernie movement than I do.

I kind of understand the far left a little since I was a teenage Kucinich fan. I get that the left is glad to have an unapologetic Democratic socialist but there are a lot of red flags with Sanders. TBH I think he would be a bad president. His basic political instincts are terrible. His agenda would have a hard time passing Congress or it would get overturned. They see him as a second FDR but FDR had the depression as a backdrop and actual political savvy.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:30:26pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Well, I guess that this is another task that the DNC is going to have to thread the needle on. It is going to have to convince the hard left wing, the Bernie or Bust wing, and the Jill Shills to stay within the party. All while fighting the trolls and bots and professional outside agitators.

And that is only addressing the internal Democratic Party side.

Any thoughts as to how many there are of these in terms of numbers?

And yes, even though I am a geezerly boomer, I agree with you. Although I am not very astute at forecasting politics, I also think that Bernie’s time is long past… If it ever was at all.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:32:19pm
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:35:02pm

Folks in the last thread were going on about elderly people they knew or are related to who’d lived through vast changes.

I guess for me, the person I know best was my great-grandmother Mayo (my mother’s mother’s mother).

She was born at home on a farm in central Michigan in 1896, and lived there her whole life until near the end. Her first husband passed away in 1955 so I never met him. She lived through all the technological advancements, wars, and other historical markers others have already noted.

Starting in the Sixties or so she traveled to Florida for winter. There she met and married her second husband in the Seventies (he died in the Nineties).

She sold her farm in the Eighties and moved to a lakehouse in central Michigan. In the late Eighties she moved in with her daughter, and stayed with her until she died in 1993.

In the Eighties the State of Michigan tried to revoke her lifetime-issue driver’s license from when the state first started issuing them. She was part of a class-action suit of the dozen or so people who had them which argued “lifetime is lifetime.” They won that suit, mostly because Michigan decided it wasn’t worth the expense to revoke about twelve licenses.

At the time I was in Germany and my then-toddler son was there on a Medivac for an emergency surgery. A Red Cross message came in requesting my presence to help prepare for her funeral, relayed by telephone from my division officer in Spain, telling me emergency leave was approved and just fly to Michigan from Germany.

I possess a five-generation photograph which includes me as a toddler and my Great-Grandmother Mayo’s mother, with all the women on my mother’s side, made in 1962. (I recreated the same photograph with all the women from that who were still alive when my son was an infant, creating another five-generation photograph.)

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:48:57pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:52:44pm

re: #25 goddamnedfrank

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Yeah because Chelsea has been so hostile to migrants. Gravel should stop sniffing glue.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:54:33pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, so you were in Germany while your son had emergency surgery and you were tasked to fly back to Michigan for your Great Grand mother’s funeral?

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:56:17pm

You have me thinking about my mother’s father. He was born in 1895 and passed away in 1986. He was born on a farm in rural Missouri in Jesse James territory.

He grew up knowing a lot of Civil War veterans. And once remarked upon seeing a National Cemetery section with their graves that it was probably the first time they ever were in a straight line.

He was the one who told the story about how one day a gang of unknown men rode through the area and stole all his family’s chickens. The family was relieved that only the chickens were taken as there were no telephones to call the police. And no police to call.

During World War 1 he served with a machine gun company in the 32nd Division. He noted that by November 1918 he was awfully tired of the war. On Armistice Day, his regiment got word of the Armistice, but the Germans across from him didn’t. When men from his regiment went to celebrate the end of the war, they got shot up by the Germans.

On my father’s side, his parents immigrated from Eastern Europe. Which probably cost them 20 years of life span. So I did not meet many of them.

But since all of the close relatives who didn’t immigrate were murdered in the Holocaust, I guess that immigration was the correct choice.

edit fixed a couple of typos

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 9:56:53pm

For perspective. I don’t even know who one of my second great grandparents was. And with the ones on my mom’s side, no death dates except for one and another I have a general idea since my grandmother’s oldest sister met him.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:00:50pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

You might be able to check the local census documents for they and their families. I know that back in the 1970’s I worked part time in the University of Pittsburgh Library and they had a lot of the Pittsburgh area handwritten census documents from the 19th Century. Those were arranged by address and who was living in the household at the time of the census. (Strange the random dribbles of information that we encounter and remember across our lifetime.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:08:22pm

re: #30 ckkatz

You might be able to check the local census documents for they and their families. I know that back in the 1970’s I worked part time in the University of Pittsburgh Library and they had a lot of the Pittsburgh area handwritten census documents from the 19th Century. Those were arranged by address and who was living in the household at the time of the census. (Strange the random dribbles of information that we encounter and remember across our lifetime.)

Ah! Well I should clarify here. The second great grandparents I don’t have the info on died in Europe. Those are my maternal grandparents’ grandparents. I have the info on my paternal grandparents’ grandparents since they all lived in the US. All are buried in Pittsburgh and all but two still have headstones despite dying over 100 years ago.

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ipsos  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:12:32pm

re: #9 ckkatz

I saw that Giuliani was on the weekend talks spewing this nonsense. This is not serious discourse. This is just obfuscation, distratction and lying.

I consider shows having he and his ilk to be a complete waste of my time. Shows that do this nonsense too often, including Meet the Chuck, end up on my don’t watch list.

Bob Schieffer was back as guest host on Face the Nation this week, and the contrast couldn’t have been more stark. He gave Democrats the lead spot, grilled Mike Lee pretty hard on the GOP side, and then devoted a good chunk of the show to literary discussion, including a nice interview with Robert Caro (WHO NEEDS TO STOP GIVING INTERVIEWS AND GET BACK TO FINISHING HIS LBJ BIOGRAPHY BUT THAT’S ANOTHER STORY)

Anyhoo… it was civilized and intelligent and entirely un-Chuck-Toddish. Wish he were back every week.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:18:22pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Ah! Well I should clarify here. The second great grandparents I don’t have the info on died in Europe. Those are my maternal grandparents’ grandparents. I have the info on my paternal grandparents’ grandparents since they all lived in the US. All are buried in Pittsburgh and all but two still have headstones despite dying over 100 years ago.

True, with all the changes, turbulence, and war of the past two centuries a lot was lost.

Additionally, many local communities were responsible for internal governance of their ethnic group. Which meant that if records were kept at all, it was done by the local church as there was often no other community organization.

This was particularly the case for communities and ethnic groups outside the locus of power in the various empires.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:20:26pm

re: #32 ipsos

Bob Schieffer then devoted a good chunk of the show to literary discussion, including a nice interview with Robert Caro (WHO NEEDS TO STOP GIVING INTERVIEWS AND GET BACK TO FINISHING HIS LBJ BIOGRAPHY BUT THAT’S ANOTHER STORY)

:)

Anyhoo… it was civilized and intelligent and entirely un-Chuck-Toddish. Wish he were back every week.

I’m sorry I missed that one. I’ll need to look it up online.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:21:23pm

re: #33 ckkatz

True, with all the changes, turbulence, and war of the past two centuries a lot was lost.

Additionally, many local communities were responsible for internal governance of their ethnic group. Which meant that if records were kept at all, it was done by the local church as there was often no other community organization.

This was particularly the case for communities and ethnic groups outside the locus of power in the various empires.

Yeah and with the exception of the Germans, they were ethnic group members not in the empire’s power structure. Irish in the British and Rusyn and Slovene in the Austrian Hungarian. I did see where my family in Slovakia lived last summer though. What a journey. I hope I eventually can do that in other places.

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ipsos  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:22:01pm

re: #34 ckkatz

:)

I’m sorry I missed that one. I’ll need to look it up online.

It was a good one. Highly recommend.

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sagehen  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:22:35pm

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

My mom’s dad was born in 1898 on the Lower East Side, mom’s mom said her birth year was classified but I think it was the mid-aughts. They had STORIES!!

Grandpa’s first job, as a young boy, was working for the store on the corner that had the only telephone on the block… he’d have to run and get whoever the call was for. He also worked a couple of summers for the iceman, hauling blocks of ice up four flights of stairs. He told me about the first time he ever saw a car — the first time anybody on his block had ever seen a car. One of his friends was a radio hobbyist, they stayed up all night listening to the ships rescuing Titanic survivors. His older brothers were boxers (famous in their day), he was their corner boy. Later, he worked as a bouncer in uptown speakeasies (his icepick skills came in handy), and handled the payoffs to both bootleggers and cops.

Grandma as a teenager hitch-hiked with her sister up to Canada and then all the way across to Vancouver and back. She dated a barnstormer, he taught her to pilot a bi-plane. She broke up with him when he wanted her to be his wing-walker for airshows. She went to secretarial school, and worked from the mid-1920’s to the mid-1940’s as office manager for a white shoe law firm. She was the only woman at the firm; it broke her heart that she couldn’t be a lawyer, but she was the inspiration for my mom entering law school in 1952.

They met at the courthouse; he had just been acquitted of something or other, she was filing papers of some kind. She denied vehemently that she ever had any insider information from her girlfriends who were either typewriters at Wall Street firms or whores for the brokers; it was “just a feeling” that made her insist grandpa cash out all his stocks in early October 1929.

The only time I ever saw grandpa cry was when RFK was shot. The only time I ever saw grandma cry was when MLK was shot. They both lived long enough to be angry at Reagan for cancelling the space program after Challenger. He died in early 1989, she watched on TV when the Berlin Wall came down and voted for Clinton.

On Downton Abbey, when Mrs Patmore’s nephew got his memorial plaque after having been executed for desertion in WWI… he was born the same year as my grandpa.

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ckkatz  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:36:45pm

re: #37 sagehen

Amazing life stories!

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 10:46:24pm

Moldy oldie (very funny though)

David received a parrot for his birthday. This parrot was fully grown with a bad attitude and worse vocabulary. Every other word was an expletive. Those that weren’t expletives were, to say the least, rude.

David tried hard to change the bird’s attitude and was constantly saying polite words, playing soft music, and anything else that came to mind. Nothing worked. He yelled at the bird and the bird got worse. He shook the bird and the bird got madder and ruder.

Finally, in a moment of desperation, David put the parrot in the freezer. For a few moments he heard the bird squawking, kicking and screaming and then, suddenly, all was quiet.

David, frightened that he might have actually hurt the bird, quickly opened the freezer door. The parrot calmly stepped out onto David’s extended arm and said, “I’m sorry that I offended you with my language and actions. I ask for your forgiveness.”

David was astounded at the bird’s change in attitude and was about to ask what changed him when the parrot continued, “May I ask what the chicken did?”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 21, 2019 • 11:50:01pm

20-year-old college student says Uber driver left her on side of the road when he found out she was getting an abortion

A 20-year-old college student’s Reddit post about “the worst, most backwards day” of her life is gaining traction online after she recounted how she was dropped on the side of the road by an Uber driver who disagreed with her decision to get an abortion.

Claire Montgomery, a pseudonym, was faced with a difficult decision after finding out that she was pregnant in March. The college sophomore at Cornell University in Ithaca, New York, tells Yahoo Lifestyle that she was talking to her boyfriend, who attends school in North Carolina, about how her period had been about a week late. And although she had put aside the anxiety of possibly being pregnant because she had previously taken Plan B, an emergency contraception pill, she took a pregnancy test and realized that what she feared had come true.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 21, 2019 • 11:51:47pm

Gaaa

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:10:10am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

I’m seeing Mayor Pete poked the hornets nest with some comments he made about Bernie’s supporters being like Trunp’s. Didn’t Bernie himself say it was unfair to characterize Trump supporters as bigots? The Sanders campaign can dish out a lot but can’t take it. If I never hear neoliberal again by some smug lefty asshole who doesn’t know shit about economic realities again I’ll be happy.

Sorry, I was out for dinner. My wife made a “Mexican pot roast” (a whole bottle of hot sauce in the recipe) with a pressure cooker.

Mayor Pete has now twice been caught using the “economic anxiety” excuse to explain the bigot brigade voting for Trump. Those came after he talked about what a wonderful person Mike Pence is.

He is rapidly sinking in my estimation to be the presidential candidate for our party.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:14:36am

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

A FB quote from a Bernie supporter who did end up voting for Hillary: “The DNC messed up Bernie’s campaign… Bernie would have been the nominee if not for their dirty tricks.”

But many who held this view voted for Jill.

These people are real fanatics and I wouldn’t count on their doing the right thing if Bernie once again does not get the nomination.

Like die-hard Trump supporters, those are the people we ignore in GOTV drives, no matter how much they bellyache “you need us (and Sanders) to win.”

We need to go after the largest contingent of voters from the last election, the folks who didn’t vote at all.

We have mail-in voting in Nebraska in all rural areas, (both mail-in and in-person exist in cities). “Did not vote” would have won the election in this state.

That’s despite the fact you can fill in a ballot in your own house and drop it in the mail postage-free here.

My township was an anomaly in the state (voter turnout was higher than 80%). The overwhelming majority of precincts were under 50%.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:15:00am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:22:21am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:23:58am

re: #27 ckkatz

Wow, so you were in Germany while your son had emergency surgery and you were tasked to fly back to Michigan for your Great Grand mother’s funeral?

Yes. My (ex-)wife stayed in Germany with our son and flew back to Spain when he was released from the hospital in Weisbaden.

I returned to Spain via Gibraltar. My then-wife couldn’t be there the day I arrived, so a couple days before she drove my Citroën to La Linea de la Concepcion (on the other side of the border) and parked it there and got a ride home to Rota. She left my car keys with the Guardia Civil at Spanish customs for me to pick up.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:25:48am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

Naah, the Fiat Multipla is still uglier.

That being said, it’s actually a hell of a good vehicle, and it handles really well. A student of mine has one, and she absolutely loves it. She let me drive it around town one day, and I have to say, it’s a good car (or whatever it’s supposed to be) and if I had the money to blow, I’d be tempted to buy one if I could one in really good shape.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:33:10am

re: #47 Dr Lizardo

Jettson’s Precursor…… Yuck

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:34:22am

re: #37 sagehen

Wow.

My mother’s mother, when she moved away from her mother’s farm to Detroit, got married, then moved back to what is my tiny hometown, opened a drugs and sundry store which operated there for many years. (It’s an abandoned building now, with my grandparent’s name still painted on the side.)

My mother tells a story of how my grandparents tried to teach my mother and uncle the value of money when they were children (since my grandparents lived through the Great Depression).

Each week they would allocate food money to one of them to purchase food for meals for the week. (They could spend it in the store only at the same price anyone else paid, or they could spend it at the general store.) The objective was to plan out the money so it would last all week.

My mother says my uncle was very frugal with money when he purchased the food, so meals were pretty much the same (in the sense of nutritious and filling) every day.

She was lousy with the allotment; she would go in for steaks and specialty foods, and by the end of the week the family was eating beans and rice. (She hasn’t improved much in the intervening years.)

They didn’t have the only phone, but there were very few phones (our telephone number was 1-2 until 1978, when we got semi-direct dial service). In the horrendous ice storm which when I was a teenager, our house had the only functioning telephone in town for weeks.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 12:34:24am

re: #37 sagehen

My mom’s dad was born in 1898 on the Lower East Side, mom’s mom said her birth year was classified but I think it was the mid-aughts. They had STORIES!!

My mom was old enough to remember going to see silent films. she related how when the captions appeared, the audience read them out loud for the benefit of the illiterate; “OH MARTHA, I LOVE YOU!!!” followed by a ripple of whispers as it was then translated into a half-dozen languages for the ears of those who could not speak English.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 1:01:21am

re: #28 ckkatz

Jesse James territory.

I visited the James farm in Kearney when I was living in Liberty.

My wife is a member of the Younger clan (her so-called maiden name is Younger), related to John Younger (he was about eight years old at the time of the James-Younger gang).

Interestingly I lived right next door to the bank they robbed in Liberty.

My wife’s youngest brother was in Northfield, Mn. last year, and after a discussion with the historical librarian for the town, gave a speech apologising for the family’s transgressions in the town.

A jeweler there sent along with him pieces for my wife. They have been invited this year to the Northfield annual celebration of defeating the James-Younger gang as parade marshals.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 1:31:14am

re: #39 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I’m too slow. I don’t get it. (Don’t bother explaining; if you have to explain a joke to a person who didn’t get it, it doesn’t become funny for that person. Just chalk them up to “no sense of humour.”)

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2019 • 1:49:52am
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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:08:54am

re: #53 freetoken

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I think that meme took a left turn at Albuquerque …

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:17:54am
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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:30:00am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:32:55am

LOL
DNC Loyalty Oath Imposition on Cthulhu Ends in Massacre (Goes to Cthulu for America, Cthulu’s 2020 campaign site)

KINGSPORT STAR HERALD - April 2, 2019

By Beretta Nova

Cthulhu’s brief entry into Democratic Party politics ended early this morning with the deaths of thirty-four DNC staffers at the party’s office in Boston.

Sources familiar with the process revealed that Cthulhu was due to arrive at 8 A.M. to participate in a small ceremony welcoming the Dread Lord to the Democratic Party and to pledge loyalty to its leaders.

All candidates who participate in the Democratic primary are required to sign and notarize the oath which declares that the candidate will serve as a Democrat if elected president and the DNC can determine who is “a bonafide Democrat.”

Cthulhu, a political independent whose platform includes the eradication of all human life on earth, has long eluded calls to formally join the Republican and Democratic Parties.

His puzzling move to join the Democrats at the behest of congressional leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer instead ended with several people dead and a Boston neighborhood devastated by what can only be described as a wave of mass hysteria. Pelosi and Schumer were not in attendance.

Hospitals near the area are inundated with residents complaining of nausea, headaches, and nosebleeds. Boston P.D. has been swamped with reports of suicides and murder throughout the morning.

The Cthulhu campaign has only issued one terse statement: “Cthulhu submits to no one.”

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teleskiguy  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:36:47am

Small Poppies

I am in love with Courtney Barnett right now.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 2:39:29am

re: #54 William Lewis

I think that meme took a left turn at Albuquerque …

Or Babylon.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2019 • 3:16:53am

Schoenberg: Gurrelieder

Gurrelieder is a gigantic, post-Wagnerian cantata that, in retrospect, seems like the terminus ante quem for Romanticism in music, beyond which further elaboration or intensity was surely impossible, and led surely if not inevitably to the Expressionism which the prodigious Schoenberg felt compelled to explore in works such as Erwartung, and thence, infamously, to the 12-tone system of musical composition from which, at least superficially, the work appears so distant in form and idiom.

[…]

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 3:27:36am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 3:58:17am

nytimes.com
Protests are mounting across the country against school boards which use Summit, a so-called programmed education system promoted by Facebook.

Programmed education uses computers and set students as individual learners, only assisted by a teacher if they have problems. Computers direct learning and sets expectations on how fast each individual student learns.

The Navy attempted programmed learning when I was in AV(A) (Aviation Electronics Technician school) back in 1978. While I beat the time set by the computer systems of the day and rarely needed instructional help, overall the programme was an absolute disaster for teaching avionics technicians. It was promoted by corporations then to prove programmed learning should be the norm instead of public education.

(Any conservative who tells you the military is not a place for social experiments can be pointed to the Navy’s aborted programmed learning system.)

By the time I reached AFTA in 1979 (Advanced First-Term Avionics), the programme was in the bin and we had regular instructors and regular classes.

The article above details the typical conservative attempt to privatise things, this in Kansas. Underfund it (education in this case, driving teachers out and raising class sizes), declare a problem, bring in a corporation to prove corporations do things better than the government. Now it’s reached public backlash.

Facebook is not just doing this in Kansas though, they have over two hundred schools across the nation - students are staging walkouts and parents are demanding school boards reject the Summit programme. GOP school board members typically tell them that all the metrics say the programme works, students love the system (despite repeated polling of students in schools approaching 90% saying they despise it, in other words conservatives lying to voters again).

The solution of course is to vote out GOP school board members. That’s the tough part because the GOP is so good at raising outrage over anything from a bathroom to abortion to make sure their voters stay in the fold, even if it means sacrificing their children’s educations on the altar of capitalism.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2019 • 4:08:22am

This thread is great. One of our debates at home is on the dishwasher—I think it’s cheaper and faster to do dishes by hand…She, not so much:

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A Mom Anon  Apr 22, 2019 • 4:23:30am

re: #63 Barefoot Grin

We have a cheaper model Bosch dishwasher. It is amazing. I won’t buy any other brand again. Been in this house for 22 yrs and this is our second dishwasher replacement. First was a Kitchen Aid we put in after remodeling the kitchen. It lasted 5 yrs and took a crap. The Bosch is about 8 years old now and works like a charm. No rinsing needed either. We did have a problem with the control panel, but the company replaced it for free. Fortunately The Husband is well versed in fixing things so he had no trouble switching out the panels. Dishwasher is my favorite kitchen “luxury”.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 4:33:46am

One of the over one thousand comments in the New York Times article I linked above on programmed learning contains this gem, posted a few hours ago (comments are now closed so I can’t respond):

If using a computer causes more epileptic seizures and eyestrain in children than adults, can you please explain to us exactly how. It isn’t explained in here anywhere and I’m not convinced.

And, this is the problem we epileptics have: People simply do not believe us. (Hulu and The North Face have still not responded to my complaints about The North Face’s advert which triggered a seizure in me. Hulu promised a response, which means I can only assume they lied.)

I presume the Austin woman who wrote this never heard of the infamous Pokémon episode.

The answer to “how does this happen, prove it to me” is found here:
epilepsy.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 4:39:02am

re: #63 Barefoot Grin

This thread is great. One of our debates at home is on the dishwasher—I think it’s cheaper and faster to do dishes by hand…She, not so much:

I had a dishwasher once in an apartment I rented. I despised it.

Neither my wife nor I care for the things. They use too much water, too much electricity, don’t clean the dishes properly, &c.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:05:19am

re: #42 Anymouse 🌹

Sorry, I was out for dinner. My wife made a “Mexican pot roast” (a whole bottle of hot sauce in the recipe) with a pressure cooker.

Mayor Pete has now twice been caught using the “economic anxiety” excuse to explain the bigot brigade voting for Trump. Those came after he talked about what a wonderful person Mike Pence is.

He is rapidly sinking in my estimation to be the presidential candidate for our party.

Wasn’t an endorsement of him. I’m likely not decided until Primary Day.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:14:28am

re: #67 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t an endorsement of him. I’m likely not decided until Primary Day.

Same here. What will get me to my decision on Primary Day though is how the candidates present themselves and their ideas before that day.

None of them are going to come anywhere near here, so going out and seeing a candidate is impossible. (I still think the Democratic Party ought to hold its convention in Omaha, but they aren’t going to listen to me.)

Elizabeth Warren was in Denver the same day my wife and I were there for the Shelley Segal concert, but there was no promotion of her appearance in Denver round these parts two hundred miles away.

Currently, 270toWin shows Nebraska with one House district in the toss-up column based on polling (NE-2, the same district which went for President Obama in 2008 and elected a Democratic representative).

I imagine the DNC isn’t going to base its decision on where to hold a convention on whether it can win one electoral vote (though if they could swing NE-1, that would give the Dems four of our five electoral votes).

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jeffreyw  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:17:00am

Good morning!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:17:15am

re: #68 Anymouse 🌹

Same here. What will get me to my decision on Primary Day though is how the candidates present themselves and their ideas before that day.

None of them are going to come anywhere near here, so going out and seeing a candidate is impossible. (I still think the Democratic Party ought to hold its convention in Omaha, but they aren’t going to listen to me.)

Elizabeth Warren was in Denver the same day my wife and me were there for the Shelley Segal concert, but there was no promotion of her appearance in Denver round these parts two hundred miles away.

Currently, 270toWin shows Nebraska with one House district in the toss-up column based on polling (NE-2, the same district which went for President Obama in 2008 and elected a Democratic representative).

I imagine the DNC isn’t going to base its decision on where to hold a convention on whether it can win one electoral vote (though if they could swing NE-1, that would give the Dems four of our five electoral votes).

TBH Milwaukee was a good choice. Wisconsin can be regained and Michigan too. But yeah I’m undecided. Warren has warmed up to me since I’m legit impressed with her policy bonafides.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:22:16am

re: #5 HappyWarrior

It infuriates me so much how these Republicans who love to fucking crow how patriotic thy are saying it was okay and acceptable to accept help from a hostile foreign government and then to lie about ti and cover it up.

I have read quite a few posts on the interwebtubes from the right-whingers who say that Russia is our friend, now; all the people who view Russia’s actions in a negative light are old cold-warriors who are out of touch. Russia is a fair, capitalist country and just wants to deal equitably with the rest of the world. Look how they fawn over vladdy.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:23:58am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:24:53am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

TBH Milwaukee was a good choice. Wisconsin can be regained and Michigan too. But yeah I’m undecided. Warren has warmed up to me since I’m legit impressed with her policy bonafides.

Omaha abuts Steve King’s district. The city borders it, and Carter Lake, Iowa (on the west side of the Missouri River and cut off from the rest of the state but part of Steve King’s district) is surrounded by Omaha on three sides.

It would certainly be a boost to the Democratic candidate right across the river challenging Mr. Cantaloupe Calves.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:26:58am

Today’s Google Doodle is in recognition of Earth Day.
google.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:36:39am

re: #73 Anymouse 🌹

Omaha abuts Steve King’s district. The city borders it, and Carter Lake, Iowa (on the west side of the Missouri River and cut off from the rest of the state but part of Steve King’s district) is surrounded by Omaha on three sides.

It would certainly be a boost to the Democratic candidate right across the river challenging Mr. Cantaloupe Calves.

As much as I want to win King’s Seat, flipping Wisconsin and neighboring Michigan is more vital to victory. That’s the problem with the EC system tho.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:39:12am

re: #71 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I have read quite a few posts on the interwebtubes from the right-whingers who say that Russia is our friend, now; all the people who view Russia’s actions in a negative light are old cold-warriors who are out of touch. Russia is a fair, capitalist country and just wants to deal equitably with the rest of the world. Look how they fawn over vladdy.

They have no idea about Russia or if they do, they are cool with Vlad’s autocratic rule and his desire to weaken Western Democracy to make Russia the dominant force in the world. Yet these are the same assholes who clutched their pearls over the Churchill bust.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:39:46am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:40:08am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

As much as I want to win King’s Seat, flipping Wisconsin and neighboring Michigan is more vital to victory. That’s the problem with the EC system tho.

Agreed. Hopefully we can flip Steve King out of the US House. (I’d like to see my state flip as well … we’ll have to see about that.)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:40:51am

re: #77 Belafon

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It’s not. And it’s what actually won the Cold War.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:41:24am

re: #78 Anymouse 🌹

Agreed. Hopefully we can flip Steve King out of the US House. (I’d like to see my state flip as well … we’ll have to see about that.)

The right candidate and campaign might do it.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:41:35am

Edit: Never mind. Basically the same link.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 5:55:07am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

Damn, that’s some awesome history, there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:01:27am

re: #82 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Damn, that’s some awesome history, there.

Well, most of the people round here have much more interesting stuff than I do. My family has mostly been the invisible average American family. Thanks, though I would credit my great-grandmother, not me.

When my great-grandmother had her ninetieth birthday, my ex-wife made her a birthday cake with ninety candles on it … my great-grandmother asked for a fire extinguisher to blow the candles out.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:06:12am
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Mattand  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:07:23am

re: #19 Hecuba’s daughter

A FB quote from a Bernie supporter who did end up voting for Hillary: “The DNC messed up Bernie’s campaign… Bernie would have been the nominee if not for their dirty tricks.”

But many who held this view voted for Jill.

These people are real fanatics and I wouldn’t count on their doing the right thing if Bernie once again does not get the nomination.

At this point, I consider a dedicated Bernie Bro basically a MAGAt who is slightly less racist and can write English like an adult.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:12:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:13:22am

re: #86 wrenchwench

Warren:

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:23:02am

re: #64 A Mom Anon

We have a cheaper model Bosch dishwasher. It is amazing. I won’t buy any other brand again. Been in this house for 22 yrs and this is our second dishwasher replacement. First was a Kitchen Aid we put in after remodeling the kitchen. It lasted 5 yrs and took a crap. The Bosch is about 8 years old now and works like a charm. No rinsing needed either. We did have a problem with the control panel, but the company replaced it for free. Fortunately The Husband is well versed in fixing things so he had no trouble switching out the panels. Dishwasher is my favorite kitchen “luxury”.

We just inaugurated our brand new Bosch. The installation person gave me a tip: “Make sure that the hot water valve is open! Run your kitchen sink faucet until it runs hot before starting the dishwasher!” The dishes came out sparkling. Oh and it dried plastics too (on the top shelf).

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:26:23am

John Cornyn getting hammered in the comments (but who are the ten thousand people who liked this):

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:27:01am

re: #64 A Mom Anon

We have a cheaper model Bosch dishwasher. It is amazing. I won’t buy any other brand again. Been in this house for 22 yrs and this is our second dishwasher replacement. First was a Kitchen Aid we put in after remodeling the kitchen. It lasted 5 yrs and took a crap. The Bosch is about 8 years old now and works like a charm. No rinsing needed either. We did have a problem with the control panel, but the company replaced it for free. Fortunately The Husband is well versed in fixing things so he had no trouble switching out the panels. Dishwasher is my favorite kitchen “luxury”.

Someone in the thread also mentioned that Bosch cleans and dries dishes completely. I hadn’t heard of it before.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:28:10am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

John Cornyn getting hammered in the comments (but who are the ten thousand people who liked this):

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Talk to McConnell, Johnny. You’re a pathetic disgrace. Hopefully Joaquin Castro sends you to the unemployment line.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:28:35am

re: #87 Anymouse 🌹

I have a problem with just picking on “for profit” colleges, though.

In no way are other schools not “for profit”. Have you seen what the administrators get paid at universities? Not to mention the sporting senior employees (such as coaches.)

The entire higher education scheme is “for profit”. Almost no school uses volunteer help.

The reason high education costs so much is because we create a demand for it, by insisting everyone must have a college degree.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:30:03am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

John Cornyn getting hammered in the comments (but who are the ten thousand people who liked this):

Which is fine by Cornyn as his tweet is carefully aimed at those who he wants to vote for him. And they will.

There remains a great deal of Obama-hate among the racist-right.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:30:18am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

John Cornyn getting hammered in the comments (but who are the ten thousand people who liked this):

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10,000 maniacs….

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:36:23am

re: #92 freetoken

I have a problem with just picking on “for profit” colleges, though.

In no way are other schools not “for profit”. Have you seen what the administrators get paid at universities? Not to mention the sporting senior employees (such as coaches.)

The entire higher education scheme is “for profit”. Almost no school uses volunteer help.

The reason high education costs so much is because we create a demand for it, by insisting everyone must have a college degree.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:36:43am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:38:08am

re: #94 Barefoot Grin

10,000 maniacs….

Well that’s because the night errr right.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:39:46am

re: #95 wrenchwench

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I would like someone to talk about making a college degree worth something.

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:40:05am

re: #41 Dave In Austin

Gaaa

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Yikes! That’s pretty bad.

The wife and I are going to the NY Auto Show at the Javitz after work. It hasn’t been very good the last couple of years, but we always end up going, hoping that it’ll improve again.

Our main complaint is that the vintage section is now pretty much non-existent any more (only had 4 or 5 cars last year), and the street section where shops bring in their builds has been eliminated altogether. That’s where all the real innovation was taking place.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:41:04am

re: #96 The Vicious Babushka

What did he post? (I’m trying to bring some variety to my “What’s in the picture?” question.)

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:43:17am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

I would like someone to talk about making a college degree worth something.

Plus, recognition that some people without a degree are worth a lot. Someday, industry might have to provide training and education to get the supply of people they want.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:46:20am

re: #100 Belafon

What did he post? (I’m trying to bring some variety to my “What’s in the picture?” question.)

Impeach DT. If the Senate refuses to convict, make them own it in 2020.

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freetoken  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:46:30am

re: #95 wrenchwench

” … college is a basic need that should be available for free…”

This is where I think Warren or whoever goes wrong.

Deeply wrong.

It’s a appeal to fairness, to equality, etc.

But I propose that doing so misses more fundamental issues.

Issues about humans, about why we do what we do, and don’t do what we don’t want to do.

It’s been a while since you and I were in secondary school, but think back… do you remember fellow students who didn’t want to be in class? Maybe they skipped class? Maybe they just didn’t like it.

There is something very important in there about human nature.

Trying to sell “free college” to the electorate is an elaborate attempt to get the 18-30y.o. vote.

But it misses important questions such as:
1) what is “work” in the 21st century America?
2) what to do with people who don’t have the interest or ability to be cogs in the information-society?
3) do you really think a college education is necessary to say lay asphalt?
3b) And if not, do think the asphalt layer should get the same income of, say, someone who goes to their now “free” university and gets a B.A. in business?

These are the kind of questions that Warren and all those who are using “free” education don’t really want to answer, because the answers may be uncomfortably disquieting.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:48:13am

THIS THREAD

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:48:45am

re: #101 wrenchwench

Plus, recognition that some people without a degree are worth a lot. Someday, industry might have to provide training and education to get the supply of people they want.

Absolutely. I feel the problem of underemployment especially in my generation is one little discussed. I understand why free college appeals but it’s gotta be more than just that as FT has gotten at.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:49:30am

re: #104 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD

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If only Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon had Barr as their AG, we would find out that frustration obstruction is okay. Barr certainly is full of shit.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:50:08am

re: #92 freetoken

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The reason high education costs so much is because we create a demand for it, by insisting everyone must have a college degree.

The single biggest reason higher education is so expensive is extreme budget cutting to state university systems to lower taxes on the wealthy and corporations.

Private corporate colleges do not need federal tax money. They have rich people to support them.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:50:09am

re: #103 freetoken

This is where I think Warren or whoever goes wrong.

Deeply wrong.

It’s a appeal to fairness, to equality, etc.

But I propose that doing so misses more fundamental issues.

Issues about humans, about why we do what we do, and don’t do what we don’t want to do.

It’s been a while since you and I were in secondary school, but think back… do you remember fellow students who didn’t want to be in class? Maybe they skipped class? Maybe they just didn’t like it.

There is something very important in there about human nature.

Trying to sell “free college” to the electorate is an elaborate attempt to get the 18-30y.o. vote.

But it misses important questions such as:
1) what is “work” in the 21st century America?
2) what to do with people who don’t have the interest or ability to be cogs in the information-society?
3) do you really think a college education is necessary to say lay asphalt?
3b) And if not, do think the asphalt layer should get the same income of, say, someone who goes to their now “free” university and gets a B.A. in business?

These are the kind of questions that Warren and all those who are using “free” education don’t really want to answer, because the answers may be uncomfortably disquieting.

I’m not sure they’re uncomfortable so much as another layer of policy details. We do have to break this idea that a four year college is required for everything. Trade schools would be a useful addition. But I will say this: The way our society is now, the core classes they require to get a college degree still need to be taught, no matter the school type. Most people do not get enough history or literature in high school.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:50:54am

re: #101 wrenchwench

Plus, recognition that some people without a degree are worth a lot. Someday, industry might have to provide training and education to get the supply of people they want.

That will happen if we do something about the corporate tax rate being as low as it is, forcing companies to invest in their employees.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:51:39am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:52:54am

So we get Bernie and Elizabeth’s free college education. Then what happens? I can’t tell you how hard it was for me to get a good job with a BA and an above average GPA. But even that I needed to get my paralegal certificate. And honestly, I think more attention needs to be focused on community colleges too. Biden’s wife actually taught at the same community college system I attended before I transferred to GMU. I never met Jill Biden Jacobs fwiw as she taught at another campus but I can tell you that Northern Virginia Community College served me well as both a 18-20 year old trying to discover what I should do with my life and improve as a student before I got my BA and later as a 29 year old going back to take a creative writing class just for kicks.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:55:40am

re: #103 freetoken

This is where I think Warren or whoever goes wrong.

Deeply wrong.

It’s a appeal to fairness, to equality, etc.

But I propose that doing so misses more fundamental issues.

Issues about humans, about why we do what we do, and don’t do what we don’t want to do.

It’s been a while since you and I were in secondary school, but think back… do you remember fellow students who didn’t want to be in class? Maybe they skipped class? Maybe they just didn’t like it.

There is something very important in there about human nature.

Trying to sell “free college” to the electorate is an elaborate attempt to get the 18-30y.o. vote.

But it misses important questions such as:
1) what is “work” in the 21st century America?
2) what to do with people who don’t have the interest or ability to be cogs in the information-society?
3) do you really think a college education is necessary to say lay asphalt?
3b) And if not, do think the asphalt layer should get the same income of, say, someone who goes to their now “free” university and gets a B.A. in business?

These are the kind of questions that Warren and all those who are using “free” education don’t really want to answer, because the answers may be uncomfortably disquieting.

Hey, i need the gub’mnt to pay for me to finally get my BA with a Philosophy/English Literature double major so I can continue to not make enough to survive on ;)

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lawhawk  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:55:56am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

Trump’s facing more subpoenas and his org too. They’re going to fight them, and they should lose. Oversight is a hell of a thing, and Trump hates it. He hates it so much because Mueller found sufficient reason for Congress to do its constitutional obligation to oversee the end of this administration. That’s right, because the GOP made it clear that obstruction of justice is a high crime worthy of impeachment, Mueller found at least 10 instances that rise to the level of obstruction of justice suitable for impeachment and removal from office.

But for the craven and complicit GOP, this would be the next step. The GOP continues defending this slag heap of a WH, and they continue to lie and claim all sorts of bad acts by the Democrats should be investigated, when Trumpworld was actually caught doing them. The GOP/Trumpworld message now is that you can get away with conspiring with foreign powers to throw the election so long as you win. Rudy’s messages over the weekend coupled with Trump tweets show that they know they were caught, and now they’re left with deflecting, dodging, and obfuscating while Democrats can’t get out of their own way to deliberate on the next step of beginning impeachment - whether it means continued investigations, new official impeachment investigations via articles of impeachment, or doing whatever the hell this is right now.

Did the Mueller report move the needle any on Trump approval or that people know he lied?

Possibly. But does that even matter? Trump’s actions are impeachable offenses, and everyone in Congress knows it. Everyone’s too busy triangulating to remember that there’s an oath to the office of the President, and Trump repeatedly violated it.

That’s the job description. That’s what Trump failed to do. And now the GOP are busy covering for him and Democrats are too … whatever this is right now … to grow a spine and show the nation exactly what the GOP and Trump are facing now and for all time.

Impeachment will be bad. It’s supposed to be bad. You get impeached for bad things. Trump did plenty to get removed from office, but the GOP will excuse it by claiming what exactly? That he was too incompetent to do it. That his underlings were just competent enough to ignore the words of the Commander in Chief and Chief Executive of the United States. They ignored the President of the USA so as to avoid engaging in crimes that Trump was demanding that they do?

I would welcome this impeachment wholeheartedly. Why? Because at the end, the GOP gets smeared with Trump bulkshit, the GOP base wont change one iota, but the middle who thought Trump would help them but hasn’t, will realize they’ve been duped and fucked by this criminal, and choose a better path.

All the while, we still have to fight against Russian interference as Trumpworld continues to ignore the ongoing threat, which Mueller spelled out. That too is an impeachable offense. Trumpworld knows Russia continues interfering, and they ignore the threat.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:55:57am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 6:57:36am

re: #109 Belafon

That will happen if we do something about the corporate tax rate being as low as it is, forcing companies to invest in their employees.

That’s a problem too. Unpaid and low paid internships. AOC has actually brought up something great about federal internships. They pay little if anything so the people who get these positions are already well off because they can afford to get a job like that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:00:17am

re: #103 freetoken

This is where I think Warren or whoever goes wrong.

Deeply wrong.

It’s a appeal to fairness, to equality, etc.

Can’t have fairness and equality, that’s for sure.

Trying to sell “free college” to the electorate is an elaborate attempt to get the 18-30y.o. vote.

It sure would have gotten mine. Instead society left me with nothing because I was a war orphan with no money.

But it misses important questions such as:
1) what is “work” in the 21st century America?
2) what to do with people who don’t have the interest or ability to be cogs in the information-society?
3) do you really think a college education is necessary to say lay asphalt?
3b) And if not, do think the asphalt layer should get the same income of, say, someone who goes to their now “free” university and gets a B.A. in business?

All red herrings. Asphalt layers didn’t need college educations before conservatives gutted the education system. Should they get the same income as an engineer or chemist? No. They didn’t then and they don’t now. As for the BA in business, that is not inherently bad. Not all people want to work in the information society? So what? For those who want to work in fields which do not require a college degree, there will always be a need for plumbers, carpenters, and asphalt layers. Slagging all people with business majors is no different than slagging people with fine arts majors, or sociology majors, &c.

These are the kind of questions that Warren and all those who are using “free” education don’t really want to answer, because the answers may be uncomfortably disquieting.

Warren’s plans involve putting the government back into directly financing public education which the GOP destroyed on purpose.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:01:30am

re: #103 freetoken

This is where I think Warren or whoever goes wrong.

Deeply wrong.

It’s a appeal to fairness, to equality, etc.

But I propose that doing so misses more fundamental issues.

Issues about humans, about why we do what we do, and don’t do what we don’t want to do.

It’s been a while since you and I were in secondary school, but think back… do you remember fellow students who didn’t want to be in class? Maybe they skipped class? Maybe they just didn’t like it.

There is something very important in there about human nature.

Trying to sell “free college” to the electorate is an elaborate attempt to get the 18-30y.o. vote.

But it misses important questions such as:
1) what is “work” in the 21st century America?
2) what to do with people who don’t have the interest or ability to be cogs in the information-society?
3) do you really think a college education is necessary to say lay asphalt?
3b) And if not, do think the asphalt layer should get the same income of, say, someone who goes to their now “free” university and gets a B.A. in business?

These are the kind of questions that Warren and all those who are using “free” education don’t really want to answer, because the answers may be uncomfortably disquieting.

When I was in high school, I took a stand against compulsory education for anyone, and for easy availability of educational opportunities for all. I was called an elitist. I was told that poor kids would suffer the most. I already knew a kid who committed suicide because he couldn’t take what he had to face in school (bigotry, among other things) nor what he faced at home (poverty and the inability to escape).

The possibility of universal basic income could change all of this. Let people from the bottom to the top pursue the education and work they have interest in.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:02:49am

The death sentence is way over the top IMO

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:03:45am

Elizabeth Warren’s actual platform on education (not the “free college” meme above):

ontheissues.org

re: #117 wrenchwench

I considered self-harm as a teenager precisely because I knew I could never afford college when I was a senior, even though I was the salutatorian of my high school class.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:04:04am

re: #117 wrenchwench

When I was in high school, I took a stand against compulsory education for anyone, and for easy availability of educational opportunities for all. I was called an elitist. I was told that poor kids would suffer the most. I already knew a kid who committed suicide because he couldn’t take what he had to face in school (bigotry, among other things) nor what he faced at home (poverty and the inability to escape).

The possibility of universal basic income could change all of this. Let people from the bottom to the top pursue the education and work they have interest in.

I do like the idea of UBI.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:05:15am

re: #114 The Vicious Babushka

[@Pie_Overlord

NOOOOOOOO!!!!! #TheResistance #Resist]

Pièce de résistance.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:07:13am

re: #118 The Vicious Babushka

The death sentence is way over the top IMO

I suppose that depends on why they might seek it (that said, I oppose the death penalty).

If he was seastading his libertarian paradise in Thai waters, that directly challenges the sovereignty of the Thai state.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:08:49am

re: #119 Anymouse 🌹

Elizabeth Warren’s actual platform on education (not the “free college” meme above):

ontheissues.org

I considered self-harm as a teenager precisely because I knew I could never afford college when I was a senior, even though I was the salutatorian of my high school class.

Poor kids already suffer the most. And ‘kids’ are the poorest demographic.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:09:07am

OH SHIT

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:10:05am

U MAD BRO?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:10:20am

re: #123 wrenchwench

Poor kids already suffer the most. And ‘kids’ are the poorest demographic.

Fortunately I had an “out” of sorts by joining the US Navy. (That military that liberals frequently complain about as “targeting the poor.”)

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:14:36am

re: #75 HappyWarrior

As much as I want to win King’s Seat, flipping Wisconsin and neighboring Michigan is more vital to victory. That’s the problem with the EC system tho.

Is something being done to restore voting rights to all those in Wisconsin that Scott Walker purged from voting lists? It appears that 100,000’s might have lost their rights in 2016 — certainly sufficient to have changed the results in Wisconsin.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:15:17am

re: #123 wrenchwench

Poor kids already suffer the most. And ‘kids’ are the poorest demographic.

I’m thinking about men and women like my mom’s father. From what my mom has told me, he dropped out at some point. It wasn’t because of finances. He had some older brothers and sisters who graduated high school and others who didn’t. One thing Obama talked about and Rick Santorum called him a snob for it was suggesting that every child get some form of post-secondary education whether that’s the traditional four year route, community college, or vocational/trade school like what Grandpa got. That benefited him. He needed the GI Bill to do it though. As I said, I think we really need to be looking at ways to make diplomas worth it so these kids can do something once they graduate. I like the idea of universal college. I don’t like the idea of college just becoming what K-12 is and the degree losing some of its utility. I also think the first goal should be to work on making post secondary education more affordable. Going from record high tuition to free is a big jump. I know people hate to hear about incrementalism but incrementalism is how we’re going to make post secondary education more affordable and also worthwhile for American students.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:15:34am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

Fortunately I had an “out” of sorts by joining the US Navy. (That military that liberals frequently complain about as “targeting the poor.”)

Mr. w took the same route. He then went to college in his 60s, got within 2 classes of a degree, then quit. He had basically organized the student and the staff, pissed off most of the faculty and all of the administration, and considered his work done. Got good grades, too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:15:49am

re: #125 The Vicious Babushka

U MAD BRO?

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Your approval rating is a record low. Get off your fat ass and stop watching FNC and actually look at reality.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:17:00am

re: #127 Hecuba’s daughter

Is something being done to restore voting rights to all those in Wisconsin that Scott Walker purged from voting lists? It appears that 100,000’s might have lost their rights in 2016 — certainly sufficient to have changed the results in Wisconsin.

I have no idea. I would hope that the new Democratic governors in those states are working on such measures. I was just saying that Milwaukee as a location for the 2020 DNC makes sense since it’s in a state and region we need to retain if we want the presidency back.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:17:21am

re: #126 Anymouse 🌹

Fortunately I had an “out” of sorts by joining the US Navy. (That military that liberals frequently complain about as “targeting the poor.”)

My dad joined the Navy for the GI Bill. He went to Marquette. I have only recently realized the significance of that.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:21:50am

re: #129 wrenchwench

Mr. w took the same route. He then went to college in his 60s, got within 2 classes of a degree, then quit. He had basically organized the student and the staff, pissed off most of the faculty and all of the administration, and considered his work done. Got good grades, too.

There are no colleges near me (other than Chadron State College, ninety miles away). I’m pretty much stuck (thanks GOP law which took my VA college benefits away from me when I was declared “unemployable”)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:22:19am

Unfortunately I think the zeal for free college has made the importance of what happens after college less important. I want college to be more affordable for America’s students but I also want colleges to help prepare their students more for life after graduation.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:22:41am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Incrementalism is better than nothing. And Nothing is often the alternative.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:23:23am

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

While everyone else was thinking outside the box I made it bigger on the inside.

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A TL-15 3rd Imperium Type S 100 ton scout starship :D

(see the Traveller RPG for details)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:24:00am

re: #135 wrenchwench

Incrementalism is better than nothing. And Nothing is often the alternative.

Correct and I see health care the same way. I think if you change an existing economic system too rabidly you run the risk of making a lot of mistakes.

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sagehen  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:24:39am

re: #99 makeitstop

Yikes! That’s pretty bad.

The wife and I are going to the NY Auto Show at the Javitz after work. It hasn’t been very good the last couple of years, but we always end up going, hoping that it’ll improve again.

Our main complaint is that the vintage section is now pretty much non-existent any more (only had 4 or 5 cars last year), and the street section where shops bring in their builds has been eliminated altogether. That’s where all the real innovation was taking place.

So the trip isn’t a complete waste of time… Hudson Yards has some exciting sculptures and bits of architecture now open to the public. Easy walking distance from the Javitz.

hudsonyardsnewyork.com

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:24:55am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. I would hope that the new Democratic governors in those states are working on such measures. I was just saying that Milwaukee as a location for the 2020 DNC makes sense since it’s in a state and region we need to retain if we want the presidency back.

The US Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that Wisconsin can keep purging its voter rolls every four years.
jsonline.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:25:35am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

The US Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that Wisconsin can keep purging its voter rolls every four years.
jsonline.com

Welp, that’s not good.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:27:01am

I think there’s a lot of naivete about the New Deal and FDR btw. Social Security didn’t go to agricultural workers because most agricultural workers were African Americans and the Southerners didn’t want that. That’s what happens when you’re economics only and not looking at groups.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:27:24am

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Welp, that’s not good.

Yup, 5-4 conservative decision written by Samuel Alito.

I recall the Cassandras in the 2016 election crying “It’s about the Supreme Court.”

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:28:27am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I think there’s a lot of naivete about the New Deal and FDR btw. Social Security didn’t go to agricultural workers because most agricultural workers were African Americans and the Southerners didn’t want that. That’s what happens when you’re economics only and not looking at groups.

Jim Crow was still the law of the land.

FDR went the pragmatic route (get the camel’s nose in the tent, and we’ll push the rest of the camel in later).

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:28:55am

re: #133 Anymouse 🌹

There are no colleges near me (other than Chadron State College, ninety miles away). I’m pretty much stuck (thanks GOP law which took my VA college benefits away from me when I was declared “unemployable”)

There are online programs. The ‘Unversity’ 8 blocks from here has one. (They once made a bumpersticker with the Unversity typo on it, and it stuck, as good bumperstickers do.)

You probably need to visit at least once to sign up or something, and it’s not free, but it is one of the cheapest state universities in the country.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:29:04am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

Yup, 5-4 conservative decision written by Samuel Alito.

I recall the Cassandras in the 2016 election crying “It’s about the Supreme Court.”

Yeah I was with them. The difference between judges that Clinton and Trump would and has in fact picked are stark.

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Teukka  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:29:34am

*sighs*

2nd wildfire of the season, Gislaved in Småland. Authorities suspect arson, as fire started at multiple locations.

aftonbladet.se
expressen.se

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:30:46am

re: #138 sagehen

So the trip isn’t a complete waste of time… Hudson Yards has some exciting sculptures and bits of architecture now open to the public. Easy walking distance from the Javitz.

hudsonyardsnewyork.com

That’s great, thanks! We’re taking the 7 in from Queens, and it’ll drop us pretty much right there.

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William Lewis  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:31:18am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

I have no idea. I would hope that the new Democratic governors in those states are working on such measures. I was just saying that Milwaukee as a location for the 2020 DNC makes sense since it’s in a state and region we need to retain if we want the presidency back.

We still have a Republican legislature in Wisconsin due to gerrymandering. That’s why the case at the Supreme Court on the subject is so critical. Will they uphold the constitution or will they continue to empower the GOP? Odds are the latter since Roberts (spit) is now the “swing vote”. The only thing swinging is the Republic at the end of a rope.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:31:32am

re: #144 wrenchwench

There are online programs. The ‘Unversity’ 8 blocks from here has one. (They once made a bumpersticker with the Unversity typo on it, and it stuck, as good bumperstickers do.)

You probably need to visit at least once to sign up or something, and it’s not free, but it is one of the cheapest state universities in the country.

It seems rather pointless now to me. There aren’t any on-line degree programmes I could afford anyway.

I’ll just stick to the sort of education I’ve tried to cobble together over the years: Reading lots of stuff.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:32:13am

re: #143 Anymouse 🌹

Jim Crow was still the law of the land.

FDR went the pragmatic route (get the camel’s nose in the tent, and we’ll push the rest of the camel in later).

I don’t think you’re following my point. FDR was willing to ignore African Americans to get Social Security. I’m glad we have Social Security FWIW and I understand fully the importance of pragmatism but holding up FDR as a political deity and deeming modern Democrats sell-outs because they’re not for universal and single payer is the problem. Jim Crow was also on a state level. Discrimination existed in the North but it was more informal. Not saying it was right of course but that’s not why FDR did it. FDR did it because he needed the Southerners. A pure political move.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:33:15am

re: #144 wrenchwench

(They once made a bumpersticker with the Unversity typo on it, and it stuck, as good bumperstickers do.)

A bumper sticker which doesn’t stick wouldn’t be very useful. /s

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:33:39am

re: #148 William Lewis

We still have a Republican legislature in Wisconsin due to gerrymandering. That’s why the case at the Supreme Court on the subject is so critical. Will they uphold the constitution or will they continue to empower the GOP? Odds are the latter since Roberts (spit) is now the “swing vote”. The only thing swinging is the Republic at the end of a rope.

Thanks. I was hoping you would op in as a Wisconite. I tend to agree with your analysis. I don’t trust Roberts at all on voting issues. On some issues, I think he would do the right thing if only because he’s so image conscious but others he’s not afraid to let his Republican loyalties known and voting rights is oen of those.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:34:32am

re: #144 wrenchwench

There are online programs. The ‘Unversity’ 8 blocks from here has one. (They once made a bumpersticker with the Unversity typo on it, and it stuck, as good bumperstickers do.)

You probably need to visit at least once to sign up or something, and it’s not free, but it is one of the cheapest state universities in the country.

The classes I’m taking right now are based in Glasgow.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:34:50am

re: #139 Anymouse 🌹

The US Supreme Court ruled in 2018 that Wisconsin can keep purging its voter rolls every four years.
jsonline.com

Following comment based on memory so I may not have the exact numbers: thanks to gerrymandering— in 2018 race for state legislature, 54% of Wisconsin voters voted for Democrats but only 36% of seats went to Democrats.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:35:41am

re: #154 Hecuba’s daughter

Following comment based on memory so I may not have the exact numbers: thanks to gerrymandering— in 2018 race for state legislature, 54% of Wisconsin voters voted for Democrats but only 36% of seats went to Democrats.

That’s a reoccurring theme.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:35:59am

They were testing the escape rocket system on the recovered test crew capsule.
No comments from Musk or SpaceX apparently.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:37:19am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I don’t think you’re following my point. FDR was willing to ignore African Americans to get Social Security. I’m glad we have Social Security FWIW and I understand fully the importance of pragmatism but holding up FDR as a political deity and deeming modern Democrats sell-outs because they’re not for universal and single payer is the problem. Jim Crow was also on a state level. Discrimination existed in the North but it was more informal. Not saying it was right of course but that’s not why FDR did it. FDR did it because he needed the Southerners. A pure political move.

And if he didn’t get the Southerners he wouldn’t get Social Security either. Sometimes you get pure political moves in politics. /s (“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!”)

Pragmatism in politics often sucks, especially when it involves people’s rights. However, Social Security has only expanded since it was adopted.

I’m all for raising the maximum income cap next (which was also adopted to get the rich in the North on board, and that was politics too).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:40:18am

re: #157 Anymouse 🌹

And if he didn’t get the Southerners he wouldn’t get Social Security either. Sometimes you get pure political moves in politics. /s (“I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on here!”)

Pragmatism in politics often sucks, especially when it involves people’s rights. However, Social Security has only expanded since it was adopted.

I’m all for raising the maximum income cap next (which was also adopted to get the rich in the North on board, and that was politics too).

I’m just saying to all the lefties who act like FDR was this pure progressive champion of the people, he did leave some people behind to get his goals. My family benefited from Social Security immediately. Most African American families did not so I can understand why African-Americans don’t like hearing that people like Booker, Harris, Obama, and others are sellouts from white progressives and how we need to be more like FDR. I prefer LBJ to FDR anyhow. LBJ was honestly the first Democratic President to really fully realize the full importance of federally protected Civil Rights.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:41:35am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They were testing the escape rocket system on the recovered test crew capsule.
No comments from Musk or SpaceX apparently.

The video at the Daily Express is noted as “unverified.”

That said, if that violent explosion shown is in fact the recent failed test and not something else, I imagine SpaceX or the Air Force aren’t going to comment until they have something to say about what happened.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:41:42am

There was discussion above about Cornyn’s outrageous claims that it is Obama who Mueller has shown to be criminal. No wonder my Texas brother regurgitates these charges — it’s not just the Internet trolls and Faux News who lie about everything, it’s also Republican Senators and Congressthings who are promoting dishonest theories instead of standing up for the truth.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:41:53am

I guess in the end I’d rather incrementally include everyone than do something ambitious and leave others out. That’s how I roll anyhow.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:42:51am

re: #160 Hecuba’s daughter

There was discussion above about Cornyn’s outrageous claims that it is Obama who Mueller has shown to be criminal. No wonder my Texas brother regurgitates these charges — it’s not just the Internet trolls and Faux News who lie about everything, it’s also Republican Senators and Congressthings who are promoting dishonest theories instead of standing up for the truth.

Cornyn was regurgitating from a CNN guy who has been employed by McConnell. Of course, it’s Republican senators and congressmen that promote this shit. They gain from it. Look at Graham.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:44:51am

re: #158 HappyWarrior

Fair enough.

I don’t hold FDR on a pedestal. What he did do was far-and-away better than what the Republicans under Hoover were doing (and Hoover tried to undermine when FDR was elected): Let ‘em eat Dust Bowl.

Hoover pretty much set the Republican Party’s “profits over people” positions they still have today. Utterly opposed to anything resembling “bank bailouts,” anything resembling social services or welfare for the masses, &c.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:45:23am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:47:03am

re: #163 Anymouse 🌹

Fair enough.

I don’t hold FDR on a pedestal. What he did do was far-and-away better than what the Republicans under Hoover were doing (and Hoover tried to undermine when FDR was elected): Let ‘em eat Dust Bowl.

Hoover pretty much set the Republican Party’s “profits over people” positions they still have today. Utterly opposed to anything resembling “bank bailouts,” anything resembling social services or welfare for the masses, &c.

Oh of course. Don’t get me wrong. The New Deal was a great thing for this country. FDR is beloved in my family especially my mom’s but I just think he’s over-deified by people who want to move the party to the left on economics. They ignore his mistakes and he did make mistakes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:47:32am

re: #164 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:49:42am

It has quite the menacing looking face.

It. Want Fud.

re: #41 Dave In Austin

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:50:15am

re: #159 Anymouse 🌹

The video at the Daily Express is noted as “unverified.”

That said, if that violent explosion shown is in fact the recent failed test and not something else, I imagine SpaceX or the Air Force aren’t going to comment until they have something to say about what happened.

I imagine the June in-flight abort test is unlikely to happen as scheduled

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:50:27am

re: #165 HappyWarrior

Oh of course. Don’t get me wrong. The New Deal was a great thing for this country. FDR is beloved in my family especially my mom’s but I just think he’s over-deified by people who want to move the party to the left on economics. They ignore his mistakes and he did make mistakes.

Truman did more to advance equal rights for sure, with such things as integration of the military.

It was a long haul and the work will probably never be done. As the Constitution states, “to create a more perfect Union.” The implication is the work will never be done.

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Interesting Times  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:51:38am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It has quite the menacing looking face.

It. Want Fud.

All the terrorists who choose vehicles as their weapon of choice would love this monstrosity.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:51:39am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It has quite the menacing looking face.

It. Want Fud.

Wholly crap that is an ugly car.

I’ll keep my Smart, thanks.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:51:52am

re: #169 Anymouse 🌹

Truman did more to advance equal rights for sure, with such things as integration of the military.

It was a long haul and the work will probably never be done. As the Constitution states, “to create a more perfect Union.” The implication is the work will never be done.

Yeah Truman gets huge points for me for that. I like Truman a lot tbh. Had some weak points but he was a very good President.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:52:10am

re: #122 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose that depends on why they might seek it (that said, I oppose the death penalty).

If he was seastading his libertarian paradise in Thai waters, that directly challenges the sovereignty of the Thai state.

He was also encroaching on Thai territorial waters. Folks get really touchy about territorial waters around these parts.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 7:57:39am

re: #173 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

He was also encroaching on Thai territorial waters. Folks get really touchy about territorial waters around these parts.

Reading the article, he was fifteen nautical miles from the coast. That said, he was within Thailand’s Exclusive Economic Zone.

Rural living update: My wife spoke to the guy next door who had his tractor parked in our backyard. He told her he didn’t think we’d mind (he didn’t ask us first) because he didn’t want to block his driveway.

He just moved it and parked it on the street.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:00:03am
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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:01:30am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It has quite the menacing looking face.

It. Want Fud.

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Lexus, the car of Cylons everywhere.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:01:36am

DONALD TRUMP TO SUE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR DOING THEIR FUCKING JOB

President Donald Trump and his business filed suit against Democratic House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings on Monday to block a subpoena sent last week seeking information about the president’s finances.

In the complaint filed in Washington, D.C., federal court Monday morning, Trump’s lawyers said that Democrats have “declared all-out political war” against him.

“Subpoenas are their weapon of choice,” the filing states.

Last week, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenaed Mazars, an accounting firm that Trump had used to prepare several years of financial statements, according to the lawmakers’ document.

The subpoena requested a slew of financial documents and related materials from Trump, his trust, the Trump Organization, the Trump Corporation, Trump’s holdings company, the Trump Foundation and the Trump International Hotel in Washington. Mazars told the committee that it would not be able to comply with demands for those documents without a subpoena, according to Cummings.

Trump’s lawyer in the lawsuit, William Consovoy, said in a statement that the attempt by Cummings’ committee to “obtain years’ worth of confidential information from their accountants lacks any legitimate legislative purpose, is an abuse of power, and is just another example of overreach by the president’s political opponents.”

The president’s counsel, Jay Sekulow, told NBC News: “We will not allow Congressional Presidential harassment to go unanswered.”

They are turning Trumps insane rants and talking points into ACTUAL LEGAL ARGUMENTS.

I hope a Judge takes them to the woodshed for this.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:03:42am

Morning! (a bit late)

I see there has been discussion about college tuition paid for, etc.

Has anyone ever done any kind of economic impact study of what that will do for the piggy banks of the middle class and also what it would do for the overall economy of America?

Freeing up that kind of loan debt burden will surely have a decent impact on the economy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:04:55am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

Depends which judge gets the case. If it’s a Trump stooge he gets a pass.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:05:05am

washingtonpost.com

Donald Trump filed a lawsuit suing Rep. Elijah Cummings personally in a bid to prevent the House Oversight Committee from obtaining his tax records.

Substitute “taxes” with “tapes” and you have Nixon v United States all over again.

Conservatives really don’t change much, do they?

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:05:08am

re: #156 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They were testing the escape rocket system on the recovered test crew capsule.
No comments from Musk or SpaceX apparently.

I’m a bit annoyed at “SHOCKING”. If no one was injured or killed in a ground test, then it doesn’t require a hyped up label. Mechanical things just sometimes fail.

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allegro  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:06:10am

re: #167 Colère Tueur de Lapin

It has quite the menacing looking face.

It. Want Fud.

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What I see whenever I see a Lexus:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:06:12am

Oh the people needed to see the emails but we can’t see your tax records. Typical.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:09:34am

re: #177 Eclectic Cyborg

DONALD TRUMP TO SUE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES FOR DOING THEIR FUCKING JOB

President Donald Trump and his business filed suit against Democratic House Oversight Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings on Monday to block a subpoena sent last week seeking information about the president’s finances.

In the complaint filed in Washington, D.C., federal court Monday morning, Trump’s lawyers said that Democrats have “declared all-out political war” against him.

“Subpoenas are their weapon of choice,” the filing states.

Last week, the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee subpoenaed Mazars, an accounting firm that Trump had used to prepare several years of financial statements, according to the lawmakers’ document.

The subpoena requested a slew of financial documents and related materials from Trump, his trust, the Trump Organization, the Trump Corporation, Trump’s holdings company, the Trump Foundation and the Trump International Hotel in Washington. Mazars told the committee that it would not be able to comply with demands for those documents without a subpoena, according to Cummings.

Trump’s lawyer in the lawsuit, William Consovoy, said in a statement that the attempt by Cummings’ committee to “obtain years’ worth of confidential information from their accountants lacks any legitimate legislative purpose, is an abuse of power, and is just another example of overreach by the president’s political opponents.”

The president’s counsel, Jay Sekulow, told NBC News: “We will not allow Congressional Presidential harassment to go unanswered.”

They are turning Trumps insane rants and talking points into ACTUAL LEGAL ARGUMENTS.

I hope a Judge takes them to the woodshed for this.

That is all Trump knows how to do. If he doesn’t get his way…sue. Tie it up in courts and hope the sued party backs off.

Ain’t gonna happen Donny. You are no longer bullying contractors and city inspectors.

I sure hope the pressure builds and builds over this week. By Friday I’d like to see Trump completely losing it on Twitter. I think he can be brought to the point where he says something that really incriminates him and also pisses off more and more of the U.S. voters.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:09:50am

re: #150 HappyWarrior

I don’t think you’re following my point. FDR was willing to ignore African Americans to get Social Security. I’m glad we have Social Security FWIW and I understand fully the importance of pragmatism but holding up FDR as a political deity and deeming modern Democrats sell-outs because they’re not for universal and single payer is the problem. Jim Crow was also on a state level. Discrimination existed in the North but it was more informal. Not saying it was right of course but that’s not why FDR did it. FDR did it because he needed the Southerners. A pure political move.

I don’t think he’s actually disagreeing with so you so much as looking at it from a different angle. Would Social Security have passed had he included trades that favored blacks and women?

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:10:20am

re: #183 HappyWarrior

Oh the people needed to see the emails but we can’t see your tax records. Typical.

Trump even said during the campaign he would release his returns. Then, he said he couldn’t because he’s under audit, yadda yadda. Now he says he has nothing to hide, but no damned way is anyone seeing my tax returns!!

He’s afraid people will find out he’s not really a billionaire. Plus, all his shady deals with shady characters.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:11:54am

re: #185 Belafon

I don’t think he’s actually disagreeing with so you so much as looking at it from a different angle. Would Social Security have passed had he included trades that favored blacks and women?

Right I do see. I think my point was that the people who want rapid change ignore that things like SS were passed by excluding certain groups. In that every American was intended to benefit from ACA, I think ACA was more closer to the intended goal. Social Security in 1935 was not the start.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:12:53am

re: #186 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump even said during the campaign he would release his returns. Then, he said he couldn’t because he’s under audit, yadda yadda. Now he says he has nothing to hide, but no damned way is anyone seeing my tax returns!!

He’s afraid people will find out he’s not really a billionaire. Plus, all his shady deals with shady characters.

There’s definitely something there he doesn’t want people seeing. I think you’re right that it’s that his wealth isn’t what he claims it is or his associates with shady characters but it could be someone that could break even his stranglehold over his cult. What that is? I don’t know.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:13:26am

Incidentally, I’ve been reading the Mueller report as time allows. Only up to page 44 and it already paints a really bad picture of the Trump campaign and The Donald already. Oh, and the Russians, too.

I’m considering blogging it in sections, because the more eyes that see the original report the better. Once this one course ends this week, I’ll have more free time to devote to writing and blogging.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:15:24am

re: #184 ObserverArt

That is all Trump knows how to do. If he doesn’t get his way…sue. Tie it up in courts and hope the sued party backs off.

Ain’t gonna happen Donny. You are no longer bullying contractors and city inspectors.

I sure hope the pressure builds and builds over this week. By Friday I’d like to see Trump completely losing it on Twitter. I think he can be brought to the point where he says something that really incriminates him and also pisses off more and more of the U.S. voters.

Mazar ain’t going to take a fall for Agolf Twittler.

Trump’s attorney’s sent them a letter asserting subpoenas from Congress are not “legislative business” and therefore unenforceable.

I imagine the legal folks at Mazar and their corporation’s leaders have zero desire to risk fines or jail for Trump. They’ve already said they will comply with Congress as far as the law says they’re supposed to.

I suppose Trump could put Dershowitz or Giuliani on it. He could even bring back Orly Taitz for a go.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:15:27am

re: #189 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Incidentally, I’ve been reading the Mueller report as time allows. Only up to page 44 and it already paints a really bad picture of the Trump campaign and The Donald already. Oh, and the Russians, too.

I’m considering blogging it in sections, because the more eyes that see the original report the better. Once this one course ends this week, I’ll have more free time to devote to writing and blogging.

I’m going to tackle it eventually myself. I Want to know what I’m talking about with people.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:16:01am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

There’s definitely something there he doesn’t want people seeing. I think you’re right that it’s that his wealth isn’t what he claims it is or his associates with shady characters but it could be someone that could break even his stranglehold over his cult. What that is? I don’t know.

Trump is all about image. He wants everyone to believe he’s a financial genius who built this vast real estate empire from nothing. In fact, he’s a blowhard who lucked out when he was tapped to host a TV show based on his fictional persona, not on his reality.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:17:07am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:17:49am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump is all about image. He wants everyone to believe he’s a financial genius who built this vast real estate empire from nothing. In fact, he’s a blowhard who lucked out when he was tapped to host a TV show based on his fictional persona, not on his reality.

There was a great line I saw yesterday morning from one of the strategists. Trump wins on reality TV but not in reality. I guess the point is when Trump controls the narrative of reality like a reality show, he wins but when reality actually sets in, he can’t. And I guess that’s where finding the right candidate is vitally important.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:17:50am

re: #192 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Trump is all about image. He wants everyone to believe he’s a financial genius who built this vast real estate empire from nothing. In fact, he’s a blowhard who lucked out when he was tapped to host a TV show based on his fictional persona, not on his reality.

I wonder how life might have been if he’d gone in the Navy in my stead (bone spurs notwithstanding) and I had inherited his wealth?

I guess I still need to win the Lotto.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:19:12am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

Mazar ain’t going to take a fall for Agolf Twittler.

Trump’s attorney’s sent them a letter asserting subpoenas from Congress are not “legislative business” and therefore unenforceable.

I imagine the legal folks at Mazar and their corporation’s leaders have zero desire to risk fines or jail for Trump. They’ve already said they will comply with Congress as far as the law says they’re supposed to.

I suppose Trump could put Dershowitz or Giuliani on it. He could even bring back Orly Taitz for a go.

I love that they think that Congress’s investigative powers don’t actually apply to the Executive. Just because Mitch doesn’t do it, Trump, doesn’t mean it’s no longer real.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:19:53am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I’m going to tackle it eventually myself. I Want to know what I’m talking about with people.

It’s not quite up to the level of a gripping political potboiler, but dayum, Mueller’s team left no stone (heh) unturned. As someone else said here, the Mueller report corroborates everything we at LGF already know about the Trump campaign, the Russian disinformation and hacking schemes, and the innumerable contacts between the various parties in both camps.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:20:41am

Apparently Trump’s Easter Egg roll speech right now is completely off the rails insane.

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sagehen  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:20:45am

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder how life might have been if he’d gone in the Navy in my stead (bone spurs notwithstanding) and I had inherited his wealth?

You wouldn’t be as big as asshole as him… but you’d be way more of an asshole than you are in this timeline. Large sums of money does that to people, especially unearned money. You’d have by now somehow convinced yourself that you “deserved” it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:21:11am

re: #195 Anymouse 🌹

I wonder how life might have been if he’d gone in the Navy in my stead (bone spurs notwithstanding) and I had inherited his wealth?

I guess I still need to win the Lotto.

Nah, I think you’d be okay. You already have humility so you’re off to a good start right there. What gets me thinking about him is this. That a PoC or woman could not have been as unqualified and unhinged for the job as he is adn gotten anywhere near where he got. I’m just imagining an alternate reality where Barack Obama is an overweight, twice divorced asshole who openly lusts for his daughter. Yeah Obama isn’t even Andrew Yang in this universe.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:22:10am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

There was a great line I saw yesterday morning from one of the strategists. Trump wins on reality TV but not in reality. I guess the point is when Trump controls the narrative of reality like a reality show, he wins but when reality actually sets in, he can’t. And I guess that’s where finding the right candidate is vitally important.

From what I read, Trump was not even in control on The Apprentice. The director and his staff had to coax and cajole Trump to do what was necessary, and the editors had to cut and splice tape to make him even sound professional. Pretty much what the WH staff does now.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:22:39am

re: #197 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

It’s not quite up to the level of a gripping political potboiler, but dayum, Mueller’s team left no stone (heh) unturned. As someone else said here, the Mueller report corroborates everything we at LGF already know about the Trump campaign, the Russian disinformation and hacking schemes, and the innumerable contacts between the various parties in both camps.

I heard about some stuff from John Oliver. Cohen confusing the Russian Energy Minister’s spokesman with a YouTube strongman. Some of this is hard to believe so I guess I sort of understand why some people act so incredulous about everything that’s gone on. I still want the Coens to direct this movie when it’s all over.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:23:11am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

I suppose Trump could put Dershowitz or Giuliani on it. He could even bring back Orly Taitz for a go.

Hadn’t thought about that nutbar for quite a while. She is certainly the dregs of the lawyerly class.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:23:13am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:23:28am

re: #201 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

From what I read, Trump was not even in control on The Apprentice. The director and his staff had to coax and cajole Trump to do what was necessary, and the editors had to cut and splice tape to make him even sound professional. Pretty much what the WH staff does now.

That doesn’t surprise me. TBH he’s always struck me as a mediocre man. Just another rich asshole with a gigantic ego who thinks he knows better than anyone else.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:23:33am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

Apparently Trump’s Easter Egg roll speech right now is completely off the rails insane.

Has he mentioned how Easter is actually a holiday to worship Ishtar? //

Seriously, I think a holiday to celebrate sex would probably do America a lot of good.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:26:17am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This guy needs to be the House’s first witness.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:26:53am

re: #206 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Seriously, I think a holiday to celebrate sex would probably do America a lot of good.

You brought the thread full circle back to the tweet about Netflix and decreased birth rate, kinda sorta.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:27:32am

re: #199 sagehen

You wouldn’t be as big as asshole as him… but you’d be way more of an asshole than you are in this timeline. Large sums of money does that to people, especially unearned money. You’d have by now somehow convinced yourself that you “deserved” it.

I hope not. I’ve spoken to my wife about the giant Lotto win we would probably never get … if I had my way with such a prize, I first have no problem with paying taxes which are due, and second, I would like to use the bulk of it to help finance college, technical, or apprenticeship educations for others which my family could not afford.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:28:10am

re: #190 Anymouse 🌹

Upding for Agolf Twittler

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:28:38am

re: #206 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Has he mentioned how Easter is actually a holiday to worship Ishtar? //

Seriously, I think a holiday to celebrate sex would probably do America a lot of good.

A holiday I can get on top of, on the bottom of, behind, &c.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:29:11am

theonion.com

This is pretty damn hilarious.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:29:55am

re: #204 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Trump later today in a tweet: Don McGhan is a nobody. He’s a bad guy, can’t be trusted and he lies! He’s an angry Democrat!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:29:58am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

theonion.com

This is pretty damn hilarious.

LOL.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:31:08am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Trump later today in a tweet: Don McGhan is a nobody. He’s a bad guy, can’t be trusted and he lies! He’s an angry Democrat!

He’s going to be raging against McGahn all day for confirming that the parts of the Report that involved him were true.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:31:14am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

So effing true.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:31:28am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Trump later today in a tweet: Don McGhan is a nobody. He’s a bad guy, can’t be trusted and he lies! He’s an angry Democrat!

“Don McGahn was just a coffee boy. I barely said anything to him.”

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:32:05am

re: #184 ObserverArt

That is all Trump knows how to do. If he doesn’t get his way…sue. Tie it up in courts and hope the sued party backs off.

Ain’t gonna happen Donny. You are no longer bullying contractors and city inspectors.

I sure hope the pressure builds and builds over this week. By Friday I’d like to see Trump completely losing it on Twitter. I think he can be brought to the point where he says something that really incriminates him and also pisses off more and more of the U.S. voters.

Agree 100%, but a lot of this, I think, is just this week’s episode of Outrage Theater - Trump trying to divert attention away from his own dishonesty and incompetence by sputtering ALL-CAPS TWITTER POSTS!!! about the usual crap: which of course, will be dutifully echoed by the GOP/RW echo chamber: and (if somewhat muted) by the “MSM”. And hope that he gets a sympathetic (i.e. hack-ideologue) judge who’ll enable his delaying tactics until he can tweet-storm up the latest OUTRAGEOUS HARRASSMENT!!!!

Mind you, I don’t think it’s going to work very well: as OA points out, this isn’t some crowded New York civil-court docket vs. pissed-off real-estate investors: he’s going up against Congress: mosy of whose members are smarter and more legally-savvy than him (low bar, etc.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:32:06am

Remember, McGahn was quoted in the report as saying Trump had: “Asked him to do crazy shit”.

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sagehen  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:32:18am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

I hope not. I’ve spoken to my wife about the giant Lotto win we would probably never get … if I had my way with such a prize, I first have no problem with paying taxes which are due, and second, I would like to use the bulk of it to help finance college, technical, or apprenticeship educations for others which my family could not afford.

That’s because you’re grown now; your character and personality are what they are. But if that inheritance happened 30 years ago? And you’d had since childhood before that to anticipate it?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:32:21am

re: #209 Anymouse 🌹

I hope not. I’ve spoken to my wife about the giant Lotto win we would probably never get … if I had my way with such a prize, I first have no problem with paying taxes which are due, and second, I would like to use the bulk of it to help finance college, technical, or apprenticeship educations for others which my family could not afford.

Honestly if I won Powerball I would give a lot of the jackpot away to places like the Boys and Girls Clubs, YMCA, US Chess Federation, American Contract Bridge League, American Go Association, American Checker Federation.

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sagehen  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:33:15am

re: #213 ObserverArt

Trump later today in a tweet: Don McGhan is a nobody. He’s a bad guy, can’t be trusted and he lies! He’s an angry Democrat!

He was just a coffee boy.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:34:19am

Is nothing sacred!

And if you wonder where this happened…Florida man! Downtown Orlando.

Easter Bunny Get In To Fight

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makeitstop  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:34:20am

re: #215 HappyWarrior

He’s going to be raging against McGahn all day for confirming that the parts of the Report that involved him were true.

I read somewhere that he’s replaced McGahn’s law firm with an ‘in-house’ lawyer for his reelection campaign.

Fucker’s all about the revenge. It must really suck to live your life like that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:36:21am

re: #216 Colère Tueur de Lapin

So effing true.

Isn’t it?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:37:03am

re: #224 makeitstop

I read somewhere that he’s replaced McGahn’s law firm with an ‘in-house’ lawyer for his reelection campaign.

Fucker’s all about the revenge. It must really suck to live your life like that.

His pettiness will be his undoing in the nd.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:37:07am

re: #224 makeitstop

I read somewhere that he’s replaced McGahn’s law firm with an ‘in-house’ lawyer for his reelection campaign.

Fucker’s all about the revenge. It must really suck to live your life like that.

Trump will never be happy. I bet he doesn’t even have a Rosebud to yearn for.

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:37:25am

re: #3 teleskiguy

Remember when Bill Clinton’s campaign (and impeachment defense fund) accepted foreign contributions with no questions asked? And how nobody thought it was a big deal?

Oh, wait, that’s the exact opposite of how it happened.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:37:43am

The stress is getting to Orange Foolius. He’s stuck in a trap of his own making and can’t get out.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:39:54am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

The stress is getting to Orange Foolius. He’s stuck in a trap of his own making and can’t get out.

some much for that COMPLETE AND TOTAL EXONERATION, huh?

///

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unproven innocence  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:40:22am

re: #229 Joe Bacon 🌹

The stress is getting to Orange Foolius. He’s stuck in a trap of his own making and can’t get out.

He’s the smartest guy in the room —but only when he dines alone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:41:02am

re: #220 sagehen

That’s because you’re grown now; your character and personality are what they are. But if that inheritance happened 30 years ago? And you’d had since childhood before that to anticipate it?

My wife sort of choked on the “pay all taxes due” part (her libertarianism rising to the occasion).

We’ve pretty much agreed though if we got some giant windfall like that, the bulk of it would go to others in less fortunate circumstances than us.

In our wills, the bulk of our admitted limited estate goes to the county food bank (a secular organisation) and the village public library.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:41:48am

re: #231 unproven innocence

He’s the smartest guy in the room —but only when he dines alone.

I’m pretty sure the pepper shaker is smarter than he is.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:43:54am

Almost the witching hour here. I need to get my shuteye for another exciting day of teaching young minds. See you all later!

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:44:42am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

His pettiness will be his undoing in the nd.

And I hope that pettiness is off the clock this week.

Man, wouldn’t it be great to see a clear path to his end by the end of this week. All it will take is a fairly powerful Republican to say they’ve had it with Trump pushing everything to the brink and he needs to go for the betterment of the country.

I’m thinking someone like Chuck Grassley could join up with Mitt and who knows what kind of a change that brings. Grassley has already said things about Trump he is not happy about, like the tariffs hurting his state, etc. It will take someone like that to decide Trump going would be better for them politically than Trump staying.

Keep pushing Democrats, never-Trumpers, historians, even untrustworthy asses like Mitt Romney can all help push this fat ass over the cliff!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:45:07am

re: #198 Anymouse 🌹

So, what is he blathering about now?

*departs for the liquor store in preparation for the answer*

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:45:18am

Well, the Old Farmer’s Almanac beat the National Weather Service today.

NWS called for warm and dry and OFA called for cool and wet. It’s raining and cold here.

NWS adjusted their forecast this morning to agree with OFA.

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:46:19am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:48:23am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Is nothing sacred!

And if you wonder where this happened…Florida man! Downtown Orlando.

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Video

Damn it, I was just about to post this
lol

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:49:20am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the Old Farmer’s Almanac beat the National Weather Service today.

NWS called for warm and dry and OFA called for cool and wet. It’s raining and cold here.

NWS adjusted their forecast this morning to agree with OFA.

I always imagine meteorologists developing their reports and then looking out the window just to be sure.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:50:03am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:51:18am

re: #236 Sufficient unto the day…

So, what is he blathering about now?

*departs for the liquor store in preparation for the answer*

The White House cut off the livesteam.

whitehouse.gov

The usual that kids want to hear: Angry Democrats, witch hunts (that should be a Hallowe’en thing), &c.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:52:40am

re: #241 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Shorter Rudy “If it’s stolen material that benefits who I support, it’s great, if it benefits who I oppose, execute the leakers.” Rudy’s so full of shit. No principles and no different from the mobsters he used to prosecute.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:52:49am

re: #240 KGxvi

I always imagine meteorologists developing their reports and then looking out the window just to be sure.

I once toured the met office on the John F Kennedy when I was stationed there.

I was shown all around the equipment and how it worked, the charts and models, &c.

The officer then told me “and if we still can’t figure it out, we can look out the portholes.”

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:54:06am

re: #240 KGxvi

I always imagine meteorologists developing their reports and then looking out the window just to be sure.

Either they skip that second part around here, or their windows are so far away it doesn’t help. I think it’s 100 miles to the nearest meteorologist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:54:55am

re: #242 Anymouse 🌹

JFC.

How bad is it when they have to cut off the stream of a Presidential event because the PRESIDENT HIMSELF is ranting like a lunatic?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:55:08am

re: #223 ObserverArt

Is nothing sacred!

And if you wonder where this happened…Florida man! Downtown Orlando.

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Florida man Easter bunny.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:55:46am

re: #246 Eclectic Cyborg

JFC.

How bad is it when they have to cut off the stream of a Presidential event because the PRESIDENT HIMSELF is ranting like a lunatic?

Pretty damn bad. He’s not normal. We’re going to find out a lot of stuff about him after he dies that his inner circle wanted kept from the public.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:56:27am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Pretty damn bad. He’s not normal. We’re going to find out a lot of stuff about him after he dies that his inner circle wanted kept from the public.

Damn, I hadn’t even thought about that.

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:58:31am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Pretty damn bad. He’s not normal. We’re going to find out a lot of stuff about him after he dies that his inner circle wanted kept from the public.

I don’t know if we’ll even have to wait that long: my guess is the lid gets lifted blown off the cesspool within a day of Trump’s successor’s Inauguration. If that long.

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jimmyvluv4u  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:59:04am

re: #247 Anymouse 🌹

Easter Bunny was throwing some heat!

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:59:21am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

We’re already finding out more than we ever wanted to know in real-time.

But I will put money on this: He has skeletons in his closet. Figuratively in his closet, but literal skeletons.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:59:24am

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

Damn, I hadn’t even thought about that.

Look at Nixon. The truth comes out eventually. Trump will like Nixon one of those Presidents who looks even worse with more information available. Don Jr has sort of given away the game by expressing interest in running in 2024 IMO. There’s a lot out there on him that we’ll only know if someone breaks the law to do it or it comes out after he dies. I’m not encouraging medical professionals to violate doctor-patient confidentiality btw but I would not be shocked if he has early dementia. It runs in his family.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 8:59:56am

re: #252 Sufficient unto the day…

We’re already finding out more than we ever wanted to know in real-time.

But I will put money on this: He has skeletons in his closet. Figuratively in his closet, but literal skeletons.

He did have mob connections back in the day didn’t he?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:02:25am
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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:03:42am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

Franklin Graham Just Wants Mayor Pete To Know God Hates Him, Wants Him To Die (Wonkette)

Franklin Graham seems nice.

The Ten Commandments were just suggestions. The more obscure parts of the Bible, now those are set law.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:04:25am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

Franklin Graham Just Wants Mayor Pete To Know God Hates Him, Wants Him To Die (Wonkette)

Franklin Graham seems nice.

Franklin Graham should really shut the fuck up consider Trump’s past that he continues to overlook because Trump does his bidding.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:04:55am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

Franklin Graham Just Wants Mayor Pete To Know God Hates Him, Wants Him To Die (Wonkette)

.

Franklin G wants Mayor Pete to know that he is seen as a real threat to Fundamentalist Christianity’s access to political power and influence.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:05:37am

re: #256 Belafon

The Ten Commandments were just suggestions. The more obscure parts of the Bible, now those are set law.

Come on, what’s adultery and coveting thy neighbor’s wife between friends if you give us what we want on Israel, judges, and abortion? // Franklin Graham is a principle lacking hack job who rides on his asshole father’s name.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:06:21am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Look at Nixon. The truth comes out eventually. Trump will like Nixon one of those Presidents who looks even worse with more information available. Don Jr has sort of given away the game by expressing interest in running in 2024 IMO. There’s a lot out there on him that we’ll only know if someone breaks the law to do it or it comes out after he dies. I’m not encouraging medical professionals to violate doctor-patient confidentiality btw but I would not be shocked if he has early dementia. It runs in his family.

It’s too late to be early.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:06:24am

re: #254 HappyWarrior

I’m not thinking the mob kind of skeletons, I’m thinking more of the SVU kind of skeletons.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:06:29am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Franklin G wants Mayor Pete to know that he is seen as a real threat to Fundamentalist Christianity’s access to political power and influence.

Mayor Pete should be flattered. I ain’t religious at all but thank goodness there is someone willing to say that Christianity in America doesn’t have to mean being a sexually repressed evangelical asshole.

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Blind Frog Belly White  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:06:44am

re: #258 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Franklin G wants Mayor Pete to know that he is seen as a real threat to Fundamentalist Christianity’s access to political power and influence.

Yes. God forbid that people should discover there are more ways to be Christian than giving money to hatemongers.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:06:51am

re: #250 Jay C

I don’t know if we’ll even have to wait that long: my guess is the lid gets lifted blown off the cesspool within a day of Trump’s successor’s Inauguration. If that long.

If Trump ends up losing next year, you just watch - the shit will hit the fan and be all over the place. It’ll be on all the shows, 24/7, as the rats flee the sinking ship and flip Trump the bird on their way out.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:07:14am

re: #260 wrenchwench

It’s too late to be early.

Very true. Probably full blown then? Either, it’s something that the kids and his docs know but his other inner circle wouldn’t or else I think it would be leaked by now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:07:41am

re: #259 HappyWarrior

Come on, what’s adultery and coveting thy neighbor’s wife between friends if you give us what we want on Israel, judges, and abortion? // Franklin Graham is a principle lacking hack job who rides on his asshole father’s name.

A good Christian can sin ‘til he’s purple in the face, then ask God for forgiveness and everything is okay again.

But those Dems are allowing pregnant sluts 24/7 access to abortion and gays are committing abdominations unto the Lord even as we speak…They can never be forgiven!!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:08:43am

re: #264 Dr Lizardo

If Trump ends up losing next year, you just watch - the shit will hit the fan and be all over the place. It’ll be on all the shows, 24/7, as the rats flee the sinking ship and flip Trump the bird on their way out.

Who gets Stephen Miller? Stephen Miller and I hate to bring up Hitler but reminds me of Martin Bormann because Miller has been there for a long time and he seems sincerely devoted to Trump and Trumpism. The others are just lackeys mostly.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:09:14am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Oh, they know. They ALL know. Hell, everyone with a functioning TV knows.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:09:19am

re: #265 HappyWarrior

Very true. Probably full blown then? Either, it’s something that the kids and his docs know but his other inner circle wouldn’t or else I think it would be leaked by now.

Early signs of regular dementia. I didn’t watch today’s episode. May be blowing full now.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:09:24am

What about all those NDA’s that Trump had everybody sign? Will they be invalidated if he is convicted of high crimes and misdemeanors?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:09:44am

whitehouse.gov

The Easter Egg roll livestream started over again with the National Anthem.

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:09:48am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Don Jr has sort of given away the game by expressing interest in running in 2024

Well, I’m guessing that the Trump Political Dynasty has about much draw - still less staying power - as Nixon’s. Junior really thinks he’s going to be able to keep the “MAGA Movement” going just on the strength of his name? A name which will probably be permanently associated in American History with “dishonest incompetent failure”?
And with “sneering Twitter asshole” basically his main resumé item?

I mean, Don Sr. has made being “sneering Twitter asshole” into an artform, but at least he had some sort of reputation (phony as it was) to build on…

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:10:13am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Who gets Stephen Miller? Stephen Miller and I hate to bring up Hitler but reminds me of Martin Bormann because Miller has been there for a long time and he seems sincerely devoted to Trump and Trumpism. The others are just lackeys mostly.

Miller can always retire to one of those German speaking towns in Argentina

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:10:53am

re: #268 Sufficient unto the day…

Oh, they know. They ALL know. Hell, everyone with a functioning TV knows.

They know but they don’t know it officially I bet. If it was official, I think it would leak.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:10:56am

Live blog Easter Egg roll:

Wait I can’t type this, it’s too insane.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:11:13am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

Who gets Stephen Miller? Stephen Miller and I hate to bring up Hitler but reminds me of Martin Bormann because Miller has been there for a long time and he seems sincerely devoted to Trump and Trumpism. The others are just lackeys mostly.

Miller will be a faithful acolyte to the bitter end.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:11:24am

re: #273 KGxvi

Miller can always retire to one of those German speaking towns in Argentina

Buenos Noches, Mein Baldenfuherer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:11:56am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

Miller will be a faithful acolyte to the bitter end.

Yeah I see him as a Bunker type while Trump is still there yelling.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:13:08am

re: #273 KGxvi

Miller can always retire to one of those German speaking towns in Argentina

By the time the Trump administration is over there will be English-speaking towns in Argentina as well. Or the MAGA Autonomous Region of the Russian Republic.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:13:39am

“They like me, I like them too. The egg farmers of America… . Historically we’re doing great, the lowest job numbers we’ve ever had.” (lolwut?)

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:14:40am

re: #273 KGxvi

Miller can always retire to one of those German speaking towns in Argentina

Or to the Confederate town in Brazil.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:14:51am

re: #280 Anymouse 🌹

“They like me, I like them too. The egg farmers of America… . Historically we’re doing great, the lowest job numbers we’ve ever had.” (lolwut?)

He always says so little by saying so much.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:15:45am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:16:04am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:18:08am

re: #231 unproven innocence

He’s the smartest guy in the room —but only when he dines alone.

Not true, there is an over-cooked steak or MickeyDs on his plate.

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:19:30am

re: #272 Jay C

Well, I’m guessing that the Trump Political Dynasty has about much draw - still less staying power - as Nixon’s. Junior really thinks he’s going to be able to keep the “MAGA Movement” going just on the strength of his name? A name which will probably be permanently associated in American History with “dishonest incompetent failure”?
And with “sneering Twitter asshole” basically his main resumé item?

I mean, Don Sr. has made being “sneering Twitter asshole” into an artform, but at least he had some sort of reputation (phony as it was) to build on…

I wonder if Nixon would have had sons if they might have pursued politics. One of his grandsons ran for Congress in 2010 (Christopher Nixon Cox, finished third in the Republican primary for NY-1). But Tricia and Julie came of age in a time when it still wasn’t particularly common for women to run for office.

I mean, it probably wouldn’t have rehabilitated Nixon the way the Trump Administration has (say what you want about Watergate, but at least the Nixon Administration had an ethos).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:20:04am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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You did obstruct justice. You even more or less have admitted to it. I think you’re so stupid that you don’t even know what you did merits impeachment. You’re so full of shit Donnie that you think your fighting back as you moronically call it wasn’t obstruction.

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gocart mozart  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:20:24am
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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:20:31am

re: #273 KGxvi

Miller can always retire to one of those German speaking towns in Argentina

Miller will probably have to go into some kind of protective custody. I bet there are millions of people that if given a chance to come across him in public would want to kick his racist Nazi ass.

Think of Richard Spencer getting punched on that street corner…only worse.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:20:51am

re: #255 Anymouse 🌹

Franklin Graham Just Wants Mayor Pete To Know God Hates Him, Wants Him To Die (Wonkette)

Franklin Graham seems nice.

But The. Big G forgives Trump of his adultery and he doesn’t get stoned to death!

Praise De Lawd!

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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:21:16am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The constitution specifically states treason or bribery before getting more general. I’d be willing to bet on bribery.

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:21:23am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

Miller will be a faithful acolyte to the bitter end.

And I’m sure the end of the Trump Administration is going to be pretty damn bitter.
Even in the happy scenario of Trump and the GOP getting blown out in another “blue wave” landslide*, I can’t see King Orangeanus accepting ANY sort of defeat gracefully: God help us if it’s a close race: the Twitter shrieking of FRAUD!! ILLEGAL!!!! FAKE ELECTION!!! will doubtless be deafening. Except of course, to the red-hat crowd, who will probably take it as a call to the barricades….

*unfortunately, not a given, by any means. By Fall 2020, Trump and the GOP are likely to be desperate to cling onto power: the campaign, IMHO, is going to be setting new records for “low and nasty”.

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:21:24am

re: #283 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Fun fact: at the founding, “high crimes and misdemeanors” included things like “general corruption” and being “unfit for office” or otherwise “incompetent.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:22:01am

re: #288 gocart mozart

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Nixonland was a fascinating read. I have not read his book yet about the rise of Reagan and the other one about Goldwater.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:22:09am

re: #281 Anymouse 🌹

Or to the Confederate town in Brazil.

Indiana?

/

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:23:38am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:23:54am

re: #286 KGxvi

I wonder if Nixon would have had sons if they might have pursued politics. One of his grandsons ran for Congress in 2010 (Christopher Nixon Cox, finished third in the Republican primary for NY-1). But Tricia and Julie came of age in a time when it still wasn’t particularly common for women to run for office.

I mean, it probably wouldn’t have rehabilitated Nixon the way the Trump Administration has (say what you want about Watergate, but at least the Nixon Administration had an ethos).

I dunno. Ford’s sons never did and aren’t even that political. And it’s funny you use the Walter Sobchak quote because this administration feels more like a Coen movie. Nixon’s had the feel that Alan Pakula’s All the Presidents Men got.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:24:08am

re: #296 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Buh bye.

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:24:29am

re: #286 KGxvi

But Tricia and Julie came of age in a time when it still wasn’t particularly common for women to run for office.

And unfortunately, Liz Cheney DID……

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:24:56am

re: #292 Jay C

I have little doubt that if Trump loses next year, he won’t attend the inauguration of his successor.

He’s that much of a sore loser. And that much of a prick.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:25:04am
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Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:26:13am

re: #300 Dr Lizardo

I have little doubt that if Trump loses next year, he won’t attend the inauguration of his successor.

He’s that much of a sore loser. And that much of a prick.

He’ll probably try to hold a rally inauguration morning.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:27:48am

re: #302 Belafon

He’ll probably try to hold a rally inauguration morning.

LOL I could see him trying something like that.

Or he’ll be tweeting enraged bullshit from Mar-a-Lago. He’ll go there and skip out on the inauguration.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:29:13am

re: #299 Jay C

And unfortunately, Liz Cheney DID……

The Bush daughters seem like nice people but they don’t need to run and nor should they.

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:29:36am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

I dunno. Ford’s sons never did and aren’t even that political. And it’s funny you use the Walter Sobchak quote because this administration feels more like a Coen movie. Nixon’s had the feel that Alan Pakula’s All the Presidents Men got.

It’s tough to say. Not many political dynasties in American politics (a good thing), especially not once someone reaches the level of the presidency (a very good thing). It’s basically, the Adamses, the Roosevelts, the Bushes, the Kennedys, and to a lesser extent the Clintons and Romneys.

You see a bit more dynastic politics at lower levels of government, but it seems like (usually) once someone in the family becomes president, the younger generations want to forge their own path and not be compared to president dad/brother/uncle/granddad

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:29:43am

re: #302 Belafon

He’ll probably try to hold a rally inauguration morning.

“One last time for old times sake!”

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KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:30:33am

re: #304 HappyWarrior

The Bush daughters seem like nice people but they don’t need to run and nor should they.

George P is going to end up in national politics in this next decade, no doubt in my mind.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:30:42am

re: #300 Dr Lizardo

I have little doubt that if Trump loses next year, he won’t attend the inauguration of his successor.

He’s that much of a sore loser. And that much of a prick.

The winner should send him a thank you note on White House stationary. Signed in gold Sharpie for an added dig.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:31:43am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:35:16am

re: #307 KGxvi

George P is going to end up in national politics in this next decade, no doubt in my mind.

Yeah and I don’t like him unlike his cousins.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:35:58am

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Completely normal.//

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PhillyPretzel  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:36:29am

re: #309 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

They did not sign the necessary NDA’s and did not agree to be put in a pen for public display. /

In truth this is so typical of dictators and their coterie.

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sagehen  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:38:04am

re: #286 KGxvi

I wonder if Nixon would have had sons if they might have pursued politics. One of his grandsons ran for Congress in 2010 (Christopher Nixon Cox, finished third in the Republican primary for NY-1). But Tricia and Julie came of age in a time when it still wasn’t particularly common for women to run for office.

I mean, it probably wouldn’t have rehabilitated Nixon the way the Trump Administration has (say what you want about Watergate, but at least the Nixon Administration had an ethos).

Julie Nixon Eisenhower endorsed Barack Obama and donated to his campaigns; her sister-in-law Susan Eisenhower spoke at the 2008 DNC.

Susan Eisenhower speaking at the 2008 DNC

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:38:20am

re: #312 PhillyPretzel

They did not sign the necessary NDA’s and did not agree to be put in a pen for public display. /

In truth this is so typical of dictators and their coterie.

They’re petrified of tough questions.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:38:57am

Larry Mitchell Hopkins, 69, was arrested Saturday in the New Mexico border city of Sunland Park on charges of being a felon in possession of firearms and ammunition, the FBI said.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:40:45am

re: #313 sagehen

Julie Nixon Eisenhower endorsed Barack Obama and donated to his campaigns; her sister-in-law Susan Eisenhower spoke at the 2008 DNC.

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I would love to know what their grandfather Ike would think of Trump.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:40:51am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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I was going to mention yesterday when his image was first posted here that he looks a bit like the actor Benicio del Toro.

Sorry Benicio! /

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:41:19am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Supreme…..ly wasted.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:41:44am

re: #317 ObserverArt

I was going to mention yesterday when his image was first posted here that he looks a bit like the actor Benicio del Toro.

Sorry Benicio! /

He does a little. Good catch.

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ObserverArt  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:43:47am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

I would love to know what their grandfather Ike would think of Trump.

I think you can make a pretty good guess.

It would not be pretty.

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Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:45:01am

re: #223 ObserverArt

I sent to my brother to see if he can ID anyone.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:45:48am

re: #320 ObserverArt

I think you can make a pretty good guess.

It would not be pretty.

Nope. It would have Ike sounding like Patton.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:50:44am

re: #311 HappyWarrior

Completely normal.//

As noted in that thread, it wasn’t just high school journalists.

Every official and teacher from every Kentucky school district was also barred. The event was actually for so-called school choice advocates and a Koch-sponsored group to plump for charter schools to the Kentucky folks in charge of education.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:54:05am

re: #323 Anymouse 🌹

As noted in that thread, it wasn’t just high school journalists.

Every official and teacher from every Kentucky school district was also barred. The event was actually for so-called school choice advocates and a Koch-sponsored group to plump for charter schools to the Kentucky folks in charge of education.

It’s very undemocratic so par the course.

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Teukka  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:54:08am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

I would love to know what their grandfather Ike would think of Trump.

re: #320 ObserverArt

I think you can make a pretty good guess.

It would not be pretty.

re: #322 HappyWarrior

Nope. It would have Ike sounding like Patton.

Rage-Zombie Eisenhower?

I’ll show myself out…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:56:05am

re: #325 Teukka

Rage-Zombie Eisenhower?

I’ll show myself out…

I’d like a sketch where Trump meets all the former dead Presidents in a dream and they tell him off.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:56:43am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I’d like a sketch where Trump meets all the former dead Presidents in a dream and they tell him off.

and they ignore him

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Stanley Sea  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:58:18am

re: #321 Stanley Sea

I sent to my brother to see if he can ID anyone.

And he did. The homeless guy is “Java”

Easter Bunny unknown.

(My brother works with the homeless)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 9:58:46am

re: #327 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and they ignore him

Nah. Not as funny as TR calling him an early 20th century insult.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:03:53am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I’d like a sketch where Trump meets all the former dead Presidents in a dream and they tell him off.

I want him to experience Gilbert & Sullivan’s Ruddigore in real life!

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Jay C  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:04:50am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

I’d like a sketch where Trump meets all the former dead Presidents in a dream and they tell him off.

Except for James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, who thank him for (finally) getting them off the “worst Presidents” list….

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:05:57am

re: #306 HappyWarrior

“One last time for old times sake!”

I wouldn’t be surprised if he keeps holding rallies after he leaves office even if it’s after two terms. Assuming he leave peacefully and isn’t under house arrest for the rest of his life ‘cause he’s an asshole.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:08:50am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The freepers are mighty upset about his arrest. Duly enacted militia and all that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:12:51am

re: #332 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I wouldn’t be surprised if he keeps holding rallies after he leaves office even if it’s after two terms. Assuming he leave peacefully and isn’t under house arrest for the rest of his life ‘cause he’s an asshole.

The next president should call him for advice and just do the total opposite.

335
HappyWarrior  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:13:07am

re: #331 Jay C

Except for James Buchanan and Andrew Johnson, who thank him for (finally) getting them off the “worst Presidents” list….

Yep.

336
Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:13:47am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

It’s very undemocratic so par the course.

Your tax dollars at work.

Charter school plans don’t get anywhere in this state, nor do voucher programmes.

In rural areas of the state, such schools don’t exist. The rural school districts depend on property tax and state equalisation funds to survive. Charter schools and religious vouchers would severely diminish rural public schools, so any time a Republican suggests them, voters flood their phone lines with the threat of replacing them with a godless Democrat.

337
Anymouse 🌹  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:15:40am

re: #333 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The freepers are mighty upset about his arrest. Duly enacted militia and all that.

Duly enacted by whom? He enacted himself (from Minnesota).

The guy claims the ebul Muslims all come from Canada. Why isn’t he patrolling the border with Ontario?

338
DangerMan  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:16:09am

re: #189 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Incidentally, I’ve been reading the Mueller report as time allows. Only up to page 44 and it already paints a really bad picture of the Trump campaign and The Donald already. Oh, and the Russians, too.

I’m considering blogging it in sections, because the more eyes that see the original report the better. Once this one course ends this week, I’ll have more free time to devote to writing and blogging.

‘no it doesn’t’ (republican response)

339
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:23:17am

re: #333 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The freepers are mighty upset about his arrest. Duly enacted militia and all that.

But were they well regulated?

//

340
wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:23:30am

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

Duly enacted by whom? He enacted himself (from Minnesota).

The guy claims the ebul Muslims all come from Canada. Why isn’t he patrolling the border with Ontario?

His militia has a name. That makes it duly enacted. United Constitutional Patriots.
I’d shorten it a little; Unconstitutional Pats.

341
Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:24:26am

re: #337 Anymouse 🌹

Duly enacted by whom? He enacted himself (from Minnesota).

The guy claims the ebul Muslims all come from Canada. Why isn’t he patrolling the border with Ontario?

Because that wouldn’t get him brownie points with President Racist Sugar Daddy.

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wrenchwench  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:25:43am

re: #339 Eclectic Cyborg

But were they well regulated?

//

Except for that felon whose conviction was for doing something similar. You know, the leader/founder.

343
Barefoot Grin  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:26:08am

The Easter Bunny up there on the balcony with Trump and Melania looks a bit like Mick Mulvaney….

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:26:15am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

The next president should call him for advice and just do the total opposite.

I like this suggestion.

345
KGxvi  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:35:03am

re: #332 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I wouldn’t be surprised if he keeps holding rallies after he leaves office even if it’s after two terms. Assuming he leave peacefully and isn’t under house arrest for the rest of his life ‘cause he’s an asshole.

PLAY FREEEEEEBIRD!!!!

346
Belafon  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:00:57am

re: #336 Anymouse 🌹

Your tax dollars at work.

Charter school plans don’t get anywhere in this state, nor do voucher programmes.

In rural areas of the state, such schools don’t exist. The rural school districts depend on property tax and state equalisation funds to survive. Charter schools and religious vouchers would severely diminish rural public schools, so any time a Republican suggests them, voters flood their phone lines with the threat of replacing them with a godless Democrat.

Here in Texas, the school can be the largest employer in a lot of rural areas.

347
Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:56:28am

re: #346 Belafon

Here in Texas, the school can be the largest employer in a lot of rural areas.

it is the largest employee in my eastern Kentucky county.


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