Monday Night Classic XTC: “Dear God”

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Thirty years later, this is still the only song that has ever dealt directly and honestly with these issues.

XTC - Dear God (Official Video)

Music video by XTC performing Dear God. © 1988 Virgin Records Ltd.

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Dear God, hope you got the letter
And I pray you can make it better
Down here
I don’t mean a big reduction in the price of beer
But all the people that you made in your image
See them starving on their feet
‘Cause they don’t get enough to eat
From God
I can’t believe in you

Dear God, sorry to disturb you, but I feel
That I should be heard loud and clear
We all need a big reduction in amount of tears
And all the people that you made in your image,
See them fighting in the street
‘Cause they can’t make opinions meet
About God
I can’t believe in you

Did you make disease, and the diamond blue?
Did you make mankind after we made you?
And the devil too!

Dear God, don’t know if you noticed
But your name is on a lot of quotes in this book
Us crazy humans wrote it
You should take a look
And all the people that you made in your image
Still believing that junk is true
Well I know it ain’t, so do you,
Dear God
I can’t believe in
I don’t believe in

I won’t believe in heaven and hell
No saints, no sinners, no devil as well
No pearly gates, no thorny crown
You’re always letting us humans down

The wars you bring, the babes you drown
Those lost at sea and never found
And it’s the same the whole world ‘round
The hurt I see helps to compound
That Father, Son and Holy Ghost
Is just somebody’s unholy hoax

And if you’re up there you perceive
That my heart’s here upon my sleeve
If there’s one thing I don’t believe in
It’s you
Dear God

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496 comments

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:07:45pm
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goddamnedfrank  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:14:15pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:15:38pm
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piratedan  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:20:06pm

re: #3 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

well Louie can sleep well at night because he’s actually too stupid to be bothered with by us plotting the coup to put his head on a pike… //////////////////

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 22, 2019 • 10:46:07pm
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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:00:44pm
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Cheechako  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:07:56pm

From the previous thread:

re: #329 allegro

I think Nancy is playing the impeachment thing very well. Look at what’s happening: she stays firm (with caveats) that they aren’t talking impeachment. Nope. It’s driving folks outa the woodwork now to scream “Impeach!” More very day. The more she holds off, the more come out. Keep investigating hard but hold off on impeachment until she is righteously “begged” to do it and the public sentiment is behind it.

I want to see impeachment proceedings begin at the earliest in the late fall. Let it be televised and discussed over seriously lit holiday dinners. Let it be fresh and ongoing during campaigning before the Dem primaries where they can slam the GOP’s malfeasance over and over again. Make it impossible for Trump to successfully run again when it’s real damn late for the GOP to field a new candidate who has to run from behind in an impossible situation .

Dreaming is good huh.

I don’t think you’re dreaming and agree with you 100%. Nancy and crew have the impeachment process well planned. For most of the summer, various House committees will be holding hearings and investigations on all the findings from the Mueller Report. There will be many hours of testimony and multiple court battles over the known and redacted information from the report. Every week (or day) more and more damning information will be coming out.

And Trump will tweet and fight every inch of the way.

By this fall, a vast majority of Americans will demand the House to begin the formal impeachment process. The voters will want to know where their Senators and Representative stand on this issue. Any politician (R or D) who gets in the way will be steamrolled in the 2022 election.

We’re currently hearing a lot of calls for impeachment but, by this fall, the roar will sound like a 747.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:14:32pm

re: #7 Cheechako

Nancy and crew have the impeachment process well planned. For most of the summer, various House committees will be holding hearings and investigations on all the findings from the Mueller Report. There will be many hours of testimony and multiple court battles over the known and redacted information from the report. Every week (or day) more and more damning information will be coming out.

And Trump will tweet and fight every inch of the way.

Death by a thousand cuts. And like you said, by later this year or perhaps early next year (after the holidays), there may well be a majority of Americans demanding impeachment.

Just in time for the 2020 elections.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:42:53pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:48:29pm

re: #1 goddamnedfrank

Curing smallpox was a slap in the face to everyone who died from smallpox.

Paying the workers who showed up late to toil in the fields the same as those who toiled the whole day is an affront to those who came earlier.

Does it not say so in the Bible?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 22, 2019 • 11:49:09pm

re: #6 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

Trump Fed pick Steve Moore has become a familiar GOP tax-cut advocate over years at Heritage, Cato, Club for Growth, WSJ

he admits “i’m not even a big believer in democracy” since voters may punish successful capitalists

Capitalists’ success has nothing to do with anything other than their own efforts.

And the Grace of God.

Therefore, we should return to property ownership as a precondition for voting.

/

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:03:17am

Can you tell that I recently served on a jury that returned a not guilty verdict on a case that never should have been brought and that I also just started season 3 of the Serial podcast?

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:08:17am

The power imbalance and reward structure just seem so obvious.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:57:18am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:03:58am

re: #15 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

The Supreme Court will decide if federal job discrimination laws apply to LGBT people.

Why do I feel so pessimistic about the outcome of these hearings?

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:50:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:02:56am

City — not church — gets to decide on banners (Goes to the Santa Fe New Mexican)

Summary of the Establishment Clause violation by the city’s historic council (part of the government):

Merchants promoting a historic district of the city wanted to put up lamp post banners with the Virgin of Guadalupe. This is not the Establishment Clause violation, as the district and a major street are named after the Catholic icon.

Where the Establishment Clause comes in is when two of the council members wanted to know why they didn’t get permission from the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which is near the area.

From the article:

What? Board member Frank Katz is quoted as saying, “You should have contacted the church beforehand.” Board member Jennifer Biedscheid is quoted as saying, “We need to be mindful of the church’s opinion.” Why? What church? The article makes reference to the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

Why would this church’s opinion be important? Do they own a patent on the image? Doubtful, given that the image goes back hundreds of years and appears on everything from coffee cups and T-shirts to velvet posters and motorcycle jackets.

(more)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:05:52am

re: #18 Anymouse 🌹

City — not church — gets to decide on banners (Goes to the Santa Fe New Mexican)

I agree that recognizing the historical role of a religious institution does not necessarily constitute a violation of the principle of non-establishment.

But no, the Church does not own the Virgen de Guadalupe any more than Christians own Christmas.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:08:59am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

This is a tricky gray area, in which I believe that recognizing the historical role of a religious institution does not necessarily constitute a violation of the principle of non-establishment.

They weren’t questioning the historic role of a religious institution. That is not a violation of the Establishment Clause.

They are specifically asking why the merchants didn’t get permission from a particular church before putting up banners on a city street paid for by all the taxpayers. That is a violation of the Establishment Clause.

The body which determines whether people can put up banners on a city street is the city government, not the Catholic Church.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:10:10am

re: #19 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I agree that recognizing the historical role of a religious institution does not necessarily constitute a violation of the principle of non-establishment.

But no, the Church does not own the Virgen de Guadalupe any more than Christians own Christmas.

I copped that on the second reading.

Did I ever tell you how the Virgen de Guadalupe healed my air conditioning unit?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:11:02am

re: #21 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I copped that on the second reading.

Did I ever tell you how the Virgen de Guadalupe healed my air conditioning unit?

LOL, no. How did that happen?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:15:48am

re: #22 Anymouse 🌹

LOL, no. How did that happen?

I was told by the previous caretakers of a place I was staying at in Sedona Arizona that the AC unit was out and needed to be replaced (He also had a bid in to replace it).

I had bought a Virgen de Guadalupe votive candle and placed on the mantle piece. While cleaning, I accidentally bumped the AC switch, and miraculously, it came on.

It can only have been through the intercession of the Holy Virgin.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:20:30am

On last Friday, Iowa state senator Dennis Guth (R-Hancock) rose to give a speech about Earth Day and Easter.

He condemned people who follow science, claimed there can be no moral obligations to protect one another without God, claimed all people are guilty of disobedience to the creator, claimed everyone deserves punishment unless you trust in Jesus, and condemed people who promote Earth Day as godless naturalists.

He managed to cram all that into a three-minute speech. He is another Christian who thinks the legislature is an extension of his church.

(3:47)

Sen. Guth gives speech on Earth Day & Easter

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:25:44am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

He condemned people who follow science, claimed there can be no moral obligations to protect one another without God, claimed all people are guilty of disobedience to the creator, claimed everyone deserves punishment unless you trust in Jesus, and condemned people who promote Earth Day as godless naturalists.

Only fear of Eternal Divine Retribution can force sinners to be moral.

And if you are a Biblical Literalist (I assume he is) then you must reject science, history and even logic, as the Bible often contradicts itself, in favor of blind faith and a morality based on guilt, fear and shame.

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sagehen  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:37:10am

re: #11 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Paying the workers who showed up late to toil in the fields the same as those who toiled the whole day is an affront to those who came earlier.

Does it not say so in the Bible?

IIRC… one of the workers made that complaint. And God told him to STFU.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:38:35am

re: #25 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Only fear of Eternal Divine Retribution can force sinners to be moral.

And if you are a Biblical Literalist (I assume he is) then you must reject science, history and even logic, as the Bible often contradicts itself, in favor of blind faith and a morality based on guilt, fear and shame.

(0:30)

Mid 1970s Chiffon Margarine “Mother Nature” Commercial

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Ming5000  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:41:18am

re: #7 Cheechako

I agree with Allegro, and with Cheechako (a piece quoted here):

For most of the summer, various House committees will be holding hearings and investigations on all the findings from the Mueller Report. There will be many hours of testimony and multiple court battles over the known and redacted information from the report. Every week (or day) more and more damning information will be coming out.

The hearings would be in the initial playbook of impeachment anyway.
Keep investigating. Get more of the facts out there.
Let the GOP threatened plan to refuse to comply with subpoenas play out.

Jumping into impeachment now because it “is the right thing to do” is blindly following the rules while our despicable and dangerous opponents cheat and step on Constitutional norms so win.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:47:59am

re: #28 Ming5000

I agree with Allegro, and with Cheechako (a piece quoted here):

The hearings would be in the initial playbook of impeachment anyway.
Keep investigating. Get more of the facts out there.
Let the GOP threatened plan to refuse to comply with subpoenas play out.

Jumping into impeachment now because it “is the right thing to do” is blindly following the rules while our despicable and dangerous opponents cheat and step on Constitutional norms so win.

The point is to stress the extent to which the GOP is actively complicit in these High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:52:23am

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The point is to stress the extent to which the GOP is actively complicit in these High Crimes and Misdemeanors.

The first charge in the impeachment bill being considered against Richard Nixon was “obstruction of justice.” Nixon also used phrases such as “witch hunt” and the media is controlled by Jews.

Conservatism hasn’t changed much in my lifetime. Same crimes, same hate.

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:53:12am

re: #24 Anymouse 🌹

As I continually note here, the underlying social issue in the America is the worldview collapse of the old-time religionists.

This is why they make so much noise - to hide having to discuss their real issue (that is, the modern world has no place for ancient gods.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:53:14am

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

The first charge in the impeachment bill being considered against Richard Nixon was “obstruction of justice.” Nixon also used phrases such as “witch hunt” and the media is controlled by Jews.

Conservatism hasn’t changed much in my lifetime. Same crimes, same hate.

It has become more rash and direct in its tone of late and it has its own news outlets now…

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:54:44am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:57:01am

re: #32 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It has become more rash and direct in its tone of late and it has its own news outlets now…

Thanks to Roger Ailes (Nixon’s communications director) telling Richard Nixon what was really needed was a GOP TV.

Enter Ronald Reagan, elimination of the Fairness Doctrine, the rise of Reich-wing radio and FOX News Channel. That moved wingnut stuff out of Mimeographed handouts and John Birch Society tracts into the homes of everyone.

I agree it has more outlets, it isn’t any rasher in tone.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:12:49am

re: #33 Anymouse 🌹

Report: Stephen Miller Intervened to Deport Individual Migrants (The New Yorker)

Outrageous. Is he going to start rounding up migrants next? The man is a terror.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:21:08am

re: #35 Patricia Kayden

Outrageous. Is he going to start rounding up migrants next? The man is a terror.

“Drag them to Fifth Avenue and I’ll shoot them. I won’t lose any supporters.”—Trump, maybe

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:27:20am

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹

I agree [the GOP] has more outlets, it isn’t any rasher in tone.

they have dropped the dogwhistles and actively embraced the fascists

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:33:17am

re: #37 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they have dropped the dogwhistles and actively embraced the fascists

They actively embraced the fascists since Barry Goldwater, just not openly.

Trump dropped the dogwhistles for sure.

This is why I am wary of every so-called Never-Trumper, even the ones who are openly critical of Donald Trump. They were fine with the fascists and racists in their party before, just as long as they used the approved dogwhistles.

People like Ana Navarro or Jennifer Rubin might be critical of Trump, but they still support the party which enabled him.

I’m no fan of the Libertarian Party, but I have much more respect for the state senator here (Laura Ebke) who said she was done with the GOP’s racism and switched parties.

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steve_davis  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:39:31am

re: #14 goddamnedfrank

The power imbalance and reward structure just seem so obvious.

[Embedded content]

If you are in prison, you don’t get to vote. That’s part of the punishment. You also don’t get to decide when you’ll eat, when you’ll sleep, when you’ll do a shift in the library or the laundry room, when you’ll be shut in your cell for 23 of 24 hours. You also don’t get a toilet with a toilet seat. And, you don’t get to make decisions about who you’ll vote for and who will represent you. You aren’t represented. You have a guardian—the State. I’m personally fine with the fact that millions of members of the Aryan Knights, the Crips, the Mexican Mafia are not offering their take on who should be running the country.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:47:54am

OK, can someone explain to me how a three or four or five party system would actually be more democratic than what we have now? Beyond more choices, let’s just say, for easy math purposes, you have 5 parties. Each has a candidate in an election. That means you end up with votes being split 5 ways instead of 2, which means that a much smaller group of voters would be needed to win an election. Right? In the case of 5 parties, wouldn’t just a 21 percent total of all votes cast be enough to win?

I am no math genius or for that matter a genius at all, so what am I missing? It seems like more parties would just make a bigger mess. And now that I have publicly shown my ignoramousness, I shall wait for a response…

Oh, and also too, could we stop the practice of counting votes by the second and declaring winners in elections while people are still casting votes? This makes me nuts. Why do we do this?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:50:52am

re: #39 steve_davis

If you are in prison, you don’t get to vote. That’s part of the punishment. You also don’t get to decide when you’ll eat, when you’ll sleep, when you’ll do a shift in the library or the laundry room, when you’ll be shut in your cell for 23 of 24 hours. You also don’t get a toilet with a toilet seat. And, you don’t get to make decisions about who you’ll vote for and who will represent you. You aren’t represented. You have a guardian—the State. I’m personally fine with the fact that millions of members of the Aryan Knights, the Crips, the Mexican Mafia are not offering their take on who should be running the country.

Real convenient way for states to disenfranchise people they don’t want voting (like African-Americans given felony drug charges for possession of a small amount of weed - oh wait, they already do that).

Meanwhile a (white) megachurch pastor was just convicted for smuggling over a hundred pounds of maryjane through the Mexican-USA border. He was once famous, confidant of Billy Graham.

friendlyatheist.patheos.com

Five months. He can vote in prison. (Misdemeanour convictions do not remove your right to vote while in jail.)

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:51:39am

Here’s a harrowing story from my side of the Pacific. Though it pertains to Korean actresses, I am sure it’s common all over the world, though perhaps not to the degree discussed in this video.

This Korean Actress Is Risking Her Life To Expose The Truth About Jang Ja Yeon | ASIAN BOSS

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:52:44am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me how a three or four or five party system would actually be more democratic than what we have now?

In most nations, they rarely cover more than one time zone and all the polls close simultaneously. I felt terribly frustrated during my first election in 1980 to know that Reagan had already all but won by the time I got to vote.

We would need runoff elections if we had a multi-party system.Those are common enough in many democracies.

And it should be a Federal Law that vote tallies for Presidential elections cannot be released until the final votes are cast.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:58:59am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me how a three or four or five party system would actually be more democratic than what we have now? Beyond more choices, let’s just say, for easy math purposes, you have 5 parties. Each has a candidate in an election. That means you end up with votes being split 5 ways instead of 2, which means that a much smaller group of voters would be needed to win an election. Right? In the case of 5 parties, wouldn’t just a 21 percent total of all votes cast be enough to win?

I am no math genius or for that matter a genius at all, so what am I missing? It seems like more parties would just make a bigger mess. And now that I have publicly shown my ignoramousness, I shall wait for a response…

Oh, and also too, could we stop the practice of counting votes by the second and declaring winners in elections while people are still casting votes? This makes me nuts. Why do we do this?

First-past-the-post systems have always shaken out into two-party systems in every country (there will be other parties, with little effect, except in parliaments where they can join a coalition and force the majority to do their bidding).

Under our own constitution, if we had more than two major parties, the likelihood would be splitting the electoral vote in such a way no one gets past the post. It’s then thrown into the House, where each state delegation gets one vote for President.

George Wallace nearly did that when he ran in 1968 and took five states (and an additional electoral vote from another).

As for counting votes before the polls are closed and declaring winners, that’s an issue for the press. It’s a thorny problem because of the I Amendment. In some races, the race can be declared before the polls even open (my House district for example). Even though my state publishes no results until the polls close (there is a bit of a snag since there are two time zones in this state), it was a foregone conclusion the underfunded Democratic candidate Paul Theobald would lose to incumbent Republican Adrian Smith.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:04:37am

Google throws Laura Ingraham a lifeline, buys ad time on her boycotted show
dailykos.com

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:09:37am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me how a three or four or five party system would actually be more democratic than what we have now? Beyond more choices, let’s just say, for easy math purposes, you have 5 parties. Each has a candidate in an election. That means you end up with votes being split 5 ways instead of 2, which means that a much smaller group of voters would be needed to win an election. Right? In the case of 5 parties, wouldn’t just a 21 percent total of all votes cast be enough to win?

I am no math genius or for that matter a genius at all, so what am I missing? It seems like more parties would just make a bigger mess. And now that I have publicly shown my ignoramousness, I shall wait for a response…

Oh, and also too, could we stop the practice of counting votes by the second and declaring winners in elections while people are still casting votes? This makes me nuts. Why do we do this?

Theoretically more choices. However you bring up some legitimate points. TBH even in countries where this is more than two parties, there often are two dominant parties and the smaller ones make coalitions with the larger ones. That would be harder to do here though not impossible.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:10:08am

I see DipShit and Morning Joe and have a spat this morning. Too funny

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:17:42am

re: #42 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Thank you for posting that, I would never have watched that otherwise. Reminds me of a story about Howard Hughes.

The search for fresh ‘talent’ would begin with a stack of newspapers and magazines. As he flicked through the pages, Howard Hughes was searching for only one thing: photographs of nubile young women.

They might be models, beauty queens or teenagers yet to graduate from high school. Once, it was a girl who had won a local fishing contest.

But was she as pretty as she seemed? From experience, Hughes knew better than to trust a grainy photograph — so he despatched aides to track down whichever girl had caught his eye, with orders to get her to pose for a set of new pictures.

He was very specific about the images he wanted. There had to be three of the girl sitting down, another three of her standing up; she also needed to be shot head-on and in profile, and without heavy make-up or fancy hairstyling.
Within weeks, the girls would sign $75-a-week contracts with either RKO studios — owned by Hughes — or with his personal production company.

Convinced that their names would soon be in lights, they poured into Hollywood, usually with protective mothers in tow. That was fine with Hughes; he knew that most mums were at least as eager as their daughters to do whatever he deemed necessary.

dailymail.co.uk

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:17:51am

WTFITS??

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:24:02am

re: #48 Shropshire Slasher

Thank you for posting that, I would never have watched that otherwise. Reminds me of a story about Howard Hughes.

dailymail.co.uk

There is a related issue here in China, with lenders requiring clients to share nude photos of themselves holding their ID cards, so the lender can blackmail them into paying. The victims are usually college students. One of my former students told me she had asked a businessman to help her fund a video project, and he flat out told her “Only if you fuck me.” She refused those terms.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:25:03am

Here’s something more lighthearted from my YouTube suggestions. There’s a part 2 that’s pretty good, too.

What Language Am I Speaking? | Lineup | Cut

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:26:25am

re: #50 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

There is a related issue here in China, with lenders requiring clients to share nude photos of themselves holding their ID cards, so the lender can blackmail them into paying. The victims are usually college students. One of my former students told me she had asked a businessman to help her fund a video project, and he flat out told her “Only if you fuck me.” She refused those terms.

There is that famous ad-lib line from Kevin Spacey in House of Cards:

“Everything is about sex, Except sex itself. Sex is about power.”

Now we know how he was able to deliver it with such conviction…

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:28:42am

re: #52 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There is that famous ad-lib line from Kevin Spacey in House of Cards:

“Everything is about sex, Except sex itself. Sex is about power.”

Now we know how he was able to deliver it with such conviction…

Yeah, an actor relying on personal experience to breathe life into his character.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:28:43am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

WTFITS??

[Embedded content]

Aren’t you the guy who supports the guy who has people who say his election was divinely inspired? You don’t get to accuse Democrats of idol worship, Tucker.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:30:03am

re: #53 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, an actor relying on personal experience to breathe life into his character.

Makes the character of Underwood all the more creepy imo. I haven’t seen the show since the revelations about Spacey.

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Barefoot Grin  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:31:44am

I’m seeing that Pete Buttigieg was pushed for policy and said he didn’t want to get bogged down in minutiae. I like him a lot, but that ain’t gonna fly when Warren already has policy positions nailed down and can make them relatable. She’s good.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:31:56am

There was a convo yesterday about people working in the ER. My nephew is a tech at the Trauma unit in Denver. He’s gone thru a lot o shoes on the job. Now he wears rubber boots. He’s heading to Gainesville next week to start PA school. He finally found his groove. And he’ll make a great Dr.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:34:54am
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A Mom Anon  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:36:56am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

Someone needs to check the basement at the Carlson house. Seriously.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:42:13am

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

I’m seeing that Pete Buttigieg was pushed for policy and said he didn’t want to get bogged down in minutiae. I like him a lot, but that ain’t gonna fly when Warren already has policy positions nailed down and can make them relatable. She’s good.

Yeah that’s crap. TBH I find myself leaning Warren and Harris’s way these days. They both seem to have plans rather than platitudes.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:42:50am

re: #59 A Mom Anon

Someone needs to check the basement at the Carlson house. Seriously.

He’s a weird dude for sure.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:49:58am

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

I’m seeing that Pete Buttigieg was pushed for policy and said he didn’t want to get bogged down in minutiae. I like him a lot, but that ain’t gonna fly when Warren already has policy positions nailed down and can make them relatable. She’s good.

He’s also being sued by the police chief he fired, alleging racist motives.

Plus him coming to my state and in a speech claiming Mike Pence is really a good guy, along with twice now for the apologetics on the “economic anxiety” of white Trump voters.

He is fast dropping in my estimation of what I want in a candidate for our party.

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A Mom Anon  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:50:03am

re: #60 HappyWarrior

You know, Hillary had a ton of policy stuff on her campaign website and provided details on how those things would happen. I see the other women running are doing much the same and no one’s paying that much attention. What needs to happen here is get people to push Mayor Pete by comparing what he’s doing to Warren and Harris and what they have laid out. Women can multi task, ask any of us who have held a baby on our hip while making dinner and talking on the phone. I like the guy, but he needs to take it up a notch or three.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:53:35am

Does anyone have an idea how the Iranian oil embargo is going to effect our fuel prices? They are on the way up here in Texas. I’m wondering if we’ll hit $4 again because of this turd.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:53:43am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

You know, Hillary had a ton of policy stuff on her campaign website and provided details on how those things would happen. I see the other women running are doing much the same and no one’s paying that much attention. What needs to happen here is get people to push Mayor Pete by comparing what he’s doing to Warren and Harris and what they have laid out. Women can multi task, ask any of us who have held a baby on our hip while making dinner and talking on the phone. I like the guy, but he needs to take it up a notch or three.

Great points. TBH more and more I’m seeing the sexism that exists in our society. I really think he (Pete) should be running for Congress or Governor tbh. There’s quite a few candidates who I think should be doing that. The women candidates meanwhile sans Gabbard are all Senators who have distinguished themselves there.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:54:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:54:58am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

You know, Hillary had a ton of policy stuff on her campaign website and provided details on how those things would happen.

Remember when Hillary was giving a speech on better job opportunities for the disabled and while the networks were broadcasting an empty podium waiting for DT to come out and explain how his charitable organization was not embezzling donations?

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jeffreyw  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:57:37am

Good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 4:58:26am

Mr. Wright posted this explaining his suspension from Faceborg:

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:00:12am

File this under “No shit”.

And the cycle continues.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:01:22am

re: #64 Dave In Austin

Does anyone have an idea how the Iranian oil embargo is going to effect our fuel prices? They are on the way up here in Texas. I’m wondering if we’ll hit $4 again because of this turd.

We’re already over $4 here in the Nebraska Panhandle, and a lot of giant SUV and pickup truck owners are complaining about it. They aren’t connecting Trump’s policies to their present plight though.

Glad my car gets 50+ mpg.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:01:36am

re: #70 GlutenFreeJesus

File this under “No shit”.

And the cycle continues.

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Yay ethnic religious nationalism.// This is the future drunken Bannon wants.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:02:55am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Mr. Wright posted this explaining his suspension from Faceborg:

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There’s nothing controversial about what he wrote. Facebook is a joke.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:03:23am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

I am suspended from Facebook.

I was mass reported for violation of community standards because I posted THIS.

Angry MAGAs? Or foreign agency? Both? I don’t know. Funny how they believe in freedom of speech, until they don’t.

Wow…Granted, I personally delete most political posts and block people who make too many of them, but I see nothing in there that is grounds for suspension save the language.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:03:32am
Stephen Moore, one of President Trump’s planned nominees for the Federal Reserve Board, wrote columns decrying the “feminization of basketball,” denouncing coed sports and arguing that women should be barred from refereeing or covering men’s basketball games — unless they are good-looking.

Moore also wrote that female athletes were seeking “equal pay for inferior work” and lamented, “Is there no area in life where men can take vacation from women?”

The statements by Moore, made in columns he wrote for the conservative magazine National Review in the 2000s and resurfaced Monday by CNN, prompted a wave of criticism from women’s rights advocates.

washingtonpost.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:04:16am

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

We’re already over $4 here in the Nebraska Panhandle, and a lot of giant SUV and pickup truck owners are complaining about it. They aren’t connecting Trump’s policies to their present plight though.

Glad my car gets 50+ mpg.

They are connecting it to Democrats who did not build more pipelines and abolish more environmental and safety standards.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:04:34am

Man I’ve seen more hateful and uglier comments on FB able to stay up than that. Not saying what Wright wrote was hateful fwiw.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:06:45am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

washingtonpost.com

He really needs to remove the giant stick from his ass. And then there’s his hostility to democracy because it might threaten wealthy capitalists. Guy is an undemocratic piece of sexist shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:06:49am

re: #15 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Hmmmm, wondering how SMOTI will spin when the corrupted Court voted 5-4 to allow discrimination against LGBTQ people?

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A Mom Anon  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:07:30am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Sure do. My son is on the autism spectrum and I wanted to hear what she had to say about employment and fair wages for people like my kid. That’s what took me to her website. Thinking about all that pisses me off and makes me sad. The unemployment rate among autistic adults sits at about 80 percent. If autistic people go through agencies designed to help them, they get stuck with low wage shitty jobs. No one suggests or offers support for trade schools or college. There is little chance for promotion or advancement in these jobs either. My kid opted out of the system, but that also means he has to spend lots of time masking his autism which is exhausting and impossible, so he’s lost three jobs over the last 6 months. He’s working for a temp agency with a shot at full time with Stein Mart, we’ll see how it goes. But 11.50 an hour is not a living. wage, neither is the 13 he will make if Stein Mart decides to take his status from temp guy to full time employment. There’s got to be a better way. And don’t get me started on Goodwill and their abuse of the system. It’s actually legal to pay disabled people less than minimum wage. No. That has to change.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:08:15am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Man I’ve seen more hateful and uglier comments on FB able to stay up than that. Not saying what Wright wrote was hateful fwiw.

Facebook makes money off conservative outrage. Their so-called AI doesn’t involve humans actually reading the post. Lots of flags, you’re gone.

That’s how they can support undermining democracies and promoting genocides. “We’ll do better” is always Zuckerberg’s excuse … at this point it looks deliberate.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:08:54am

re: #30 Anymouse 🌹

The first charge in the impeachment bill being considered against Richard Nixon was “obstruction of justice.” Nixon also used phrases such as “witch hunt” and the media is controlled by Jews.

Conservatism hasn’t changed much in my lifetime. Same crimes, same hate.

Sure was interesting to listen to Billy Graham Cracker on the Nixon Tapes where he let his antisemitism run wild with Tricky Dick!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:11:51am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

Facebook makes money off conservative outrage. Their so-called AI doesn’t involve humans actually reading the post. Lots of flags, you’re gone.

That’s how they can support undermining democracies and promoting genocides. “We’ll do better” is always Zuckerberg’s excuse … at this point it looks deliberate.

I’m aware how FB works.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:15:24am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:18:52am

re: #80 A Mom Anon

Sure do. My son is on the autism spectrum and I wanted to hear what she had to say about employment and fair wages for people like my kid. That’s what took me to her website. Thinking about all that pisses me off and makes me sad. The unemployment rate among autistic adults sits at about 80 percent. If autistic people go through agencies designed to help them, they get stuck with low wage shitty jobs. No one suggests or offers support for trade schools or college. There is little chance for promotion or advancement in these jobs either. My kid opted out of the system, but that also means he has to spend lots of time masking his autism which is exhausting and impossible, so he’s lost three jobs over the last 6 months. He’s working for a temp agency with a shot at full time with Stein Mart, we’ll see how it goes. But 11.50 an hour is not a living. wage, neither is the 13 he will make if Stein Mart decides to take his status from temp guy to full time employment. There’s got to be a better way. And don’t get me started on Goodwill and their abuse of the system. It’s actually legal to pay disabled people less than minimum wage. No. That has to change.

So few candidates talk about adults on the spectrum. It’s frustrating. It makes me feel invisible. I’m lucky that I was able to get a degree and later my paralegal certificate along with having a supporting set of parents, family, and friends but a lot of other people don’t have that. And I have some abilities that others on the spectrum have a hard time with. I’ve also struggled with underderemployment, another thing that few if any candidates talk about. I think this is why I get so annoyed by the Socialism now types. It’s not that wealth disparity isn’t a problem to me. It IS but you’re going to leave a lot of people behind if you think income disparity is the only or even biggest problem facing us. How the hell is free college going to help Autistic kids get the resources they need? It might help sure but as you get at unemployment is a huge problem in your son and mine’s community and we rarely ever have candidates that actually speak to our issues. I don’t need pity but I want acknowledgment that I can’t go to the jobby job store as easy as a lot of people.
Sorry I had to make a key correct. Underemployment not unemployment though I’ve had that as well.

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:20:41am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area.

I see that Trump’s so exonerated and relieved that the report proves his innocence that he’s moved on to the business of governing the USA.

Oh wait… he hasn’t.

He’s continuing to assail the report, claim he’s the victim of a merciless witch hunt, and that the Democrats and media are being mean to him because they’re reciting facts and logic at him and his corrupt cronies in the GOP and WH.

Fuck his feelings.

He’s a vain, small, evil little man. He never had the capacity to be in the most important office in the nation, and every day proves the point. He’s doing incalculable damage to the nation, and our foreign policy will take years to recover as he’s doing all kinds of damage to our ability to work with our allies and strategic partners.

Russia continues to laugh in our direction at our own incompetence and the ease with which the GOP so easily looks the other way while Russia manipulates things to their benefit. We all know the GOP wouldn’t be so forgiving had Democrats done a fraction of what Trump has done. They’d already be into the trial phase in the Senate. Why? Because that’s who the GOP are and what they do. They always assert the rule of law harshly against Democrats as a means to further the GOP agenda, and ignore the rule of law when a Republican is the target of legitimate investigations that find a multitude of wrongdoing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:23:33am

re: #86 lawhawk

Russia continues to laugh in our direction at our own incompetence and the ease with which the GOP so easily looks the other way while Russia manipulates things to their benefit.

They saw a weakness and exploited it. It is perhaps not ethical, but certainly not illegal for them to try to influence our elections as long as they break no other US laws in doing so.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:26:00am

Sigh

A fitness instructor severed a nerve and an artery when she plunged a knife into her hand as she tried to pry the stone out of an avocado.

Melissa Norgart, 46, was horrified when the four inch blade slipped and tore into her flesh as she prepared a salad at home in Sanford, Florida in July last year.

‘It went halfway through my palm. It made a sound like when the killer stabs someone in a horror movie,’ said Norgart.

The phenomenon of ‘avocado hand’ has become so common the British Association of Plastic Surgeons recently called for safety labels to be placed on the fruit.

dailymail.co.uk

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:28:17am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

I can relate. There has never been a candidate who spoke to the issues of people with epilepsy either, even with a Supreme Court justice with epilepsy.

It’s kind of tough though: There are so many types of disablements or disorders that speaking to each would take up a candidate’s whole time.

I admit I am not terribly familiar with the issues someone with autism faces. That said, the idea of government-financed college (like it used to be) is not inherently bad to any particular group of disabled people. Proper enforcement of the ADA would help in that area.

Considering the disabled are much more likely to be in poverty, and generally (you can always find contrary anecdotes) higher education (technical or college) results in higher pay over your lifetime, reduced costs to pass the gatekeepers of colleges should improve access to those with autism, not ignore those people.

Your mileage may vary, as I know little about colleges or autism.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:29:37am

The problem frankly in my experiences and AnonMom and any other Lizards with family or on the spectrum themselves might be able to vouch for this is this. Our abilities are definitely dramatically under or overestimated. I remember when I wanted to participate in my high school’s poli sci program(it came with a Congressional internship since the teacher behind the program had a lot of great connections and I grew up a half hour from D.C.) and my guidance counselor was a bit worried if I was up to task. Meanwhile, you have people who think we on the spectrum are like supercomputers. Yeah I have some stuff intellectually that I’m really good at. I know my history like the back of my hand but I’m not some savant. So as a result, it’s hard for us to really set ourselves apart as individuals. For the longest time, I would not disclose my Asperger’s in a job interview because I didn’t want to be pigeon-holed as the autistic applicant. I still don’t like being seen as that guy. It’s part of who I am but I want to be HW/John who happens to have Asperger’s rather than that guy with Asperger’s who happens to be HW/John. I do disclose now though because I know that I come off different than most people in initial meetings. I don’t see it but people do so I do disclose now to get it off my back and to use my experiences the past 31 years to show yeah I’m autistic but I know how to kick ass as much as anyone else when I need to.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:34:03am

LOL

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:34:23am

re: #89 Anymouse 🌹

I can relate. There has never been a candidate who spoke to the issues of people with epilepsy either, even with a Supreme Court justice with epilepsy.

It’s kind of tough though: There are so many types of disablements or disorders that speaking to each would take up a candidate’s whole time.

I admit I am not terribly familiar with the issues someone with autism faces. That said, the idea of government-financed college (like it used to be) is not inherently bad to any particular group of disabled people. Proper enforcement of the ADA would help in that area.

Considering the disabled are much more likely to be in poverty, and generally (you can always find contrary anecdotes) higher education (technical or college) results in higher pay over your lifetime, reduced costs to pass the gatekeepers of colleges should improve access to those with autism, not ignore those people.

Your mileage may vary, as I know little about colleges or autism.

Well frankly I think the problem with just focusing on the tuition angle is that it ignores that people need help once they get there. I’m a little worried that in zeal for free tuition which I happen to think is a good goal that we may leave other parts of the college experience that people not just those on the spectrum need help with such as counseling, accommodations(One part of being ASD is horrible handwriting, I typed all my essay tests because I had such an accommodation). and other services. So basically you do get more college graduates which I think again is great but as I said yesterday, I want to focus on giving a degree meaning and do something about the underemployment too. And you’re right, there are a lot of disabilities out there so we can’t realistically expect all of them to be acknowledged. However, people with autism are often used as props in the vaccine debate by uninformed idiots. I have never forgiven RFK Jr for the uninformed moronic comments he made about life with autism. His father is one of my greatest political heroes but RFK Jr can go fuck himself.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:39:36am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

Well frankly I think the problem with just focusing on the tuition angle is that it ignores that people need help once they get there. I’m a little worried that in zeal for free tuition which I happen to think is a good goal that we may leave other parts of the college experience that people not just those on the spectrum need help with such as counseling, accommodations(One part of being ASD is horrible handwriting, I typed all my essay tests because I had such an accommodation). and other services. So basically you do get more college graduates which I think again is great but as I said yesterday, I want to focus on giving a degree meaning and do something about the underemployment too. And you’re right, there are a lot of disabilities out there so we can’t realistically expect all of them to be acknowledged. However, people with autism are often used as props in the vaccine debate by uninformed idiots. I have never forgiven RFK Jr for the uninformed moronic comments he made about life with autism. His father is one of my greatest political heroes but RFK Jr can go fuck himself.

The nonsense in the antivax movement about autism torches my [redacted] and I’d like to take a rusty unsharpened cactus to them and [redacted].

To a lesser extent antivaxxers do it to us with epilepsy as well. (The doc gave my child a vaccine and now she has seizures.) We get the added benefit of a whole bunch of Christians thinking we’re possessed by demons (including my ex-wife).

Chowderheads gotta chowderhead: The only way to deal with them is to mock them mercilessly if a proper explanation doesn’t bring them around. (People can be swayed by idiocy without intending to be.)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:40:34am

It’s Them or Us.

The border militia leader arrested over the weekend first came to the FBI’s attention in October 2017, according to a court document unsealed Monday, after the bureau learned that he “allegedly made the statement that [his militia] the United Constitutional Patriots were training to assassinate George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, because of these individuals’ support of Antifa.”

When Trump loses in 2020 the Nazis will come out of the woodwork and run unchecked with the blessing of the Republican Party.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:42:05am

re: #88 Shropshire Slasher

Sigh

dailymail.co.uk

The phenomenon of ‘avocado hand’ has become so common the British Association of Plastic Surgeons recently called for safety labels to be placed on the fruit.

Avocados have found a weakness in humans and are exploiting it

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:42:13am

People never heard of “boat ramps.” I’ve seen others do this.

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Shropshire Slasher  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:43:57am

re: #96 Anymouse 🌹

It’s a Chrysler product, a drop of seawater and POOF there goes your electrical system.

//

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:48:51am

re: #56 Barefoot Grin

I’m seeing that Pete Buttigieg was pushed for policy and said he didn’t want to get bogged down in minutiae. I like him a lot, but that ain’t gonna fly when Warren already has policy positions nailed down and can make them relatable. She’s good.

Personally I think you have to balance it. Too few details, and there’s no real direction to your ideas. Too many details, and you have to come up with a policy for everything that comes up, and you’re not encouraging others to solve problems they can. And what happens when you don’t get every detail through Congress.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:49:03am

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

The nonsense in the antivax movement about autism torches my [redacted] and I’d like to take a rusty unsharpened cactus to them and [redacted].

To a lesser extent antivaxxers do it to us with epilepsy as well. (The doc gave my child a vaccine and now she has seizures.) We get the added benefit of a whole bunch of Christians thinking we’re possessed by demons (including my ex-wife).

Chowderheads gotta chowderhead: The only way to deal with them is to mock them mercilessly if a proper explanation doesn’t bring them around. (People can be swayed by idiocy without intending to be.)

Oh shit, yeah I never thought about how Epileptics often the people who have gotten people thinking they were demonically possessed and needed Exorcisms . It’s yeah awful. I just wish people would try to educate themselves more in general. Saw a great point made about instead of asking politicians if they believe in climate change, ask them if they understand it.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:49:34am

Best car Dad ever had was a 1967 Chrysler Newport that ran flawless for 5 years. Then Dad got a 1973 model and it was the ultimate lemon, endlessly breaking down. Swore Dad off of Chryslers forever and he switched to Fords.

As for me, I can’t afford the insane auto insurance rates here in Los Angeles so I use the Metro system.

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plansbandc  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:49:58am

re: #77 HappyWarrior

Me too, like say Obama hanging from a noose. But that, apparently, was just fine.

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:50:28am

Why Twitter continues to do next to nothing about the trolls and hate groups that use the platform to spread their toxic ideology despite it being clear TOS violations:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:50:50am

re: #98 Belafon

Personally I think you have to balance it. Too few details, and there’s no real direction to your ideas. Too many details, and you have to come up with a policy for everything that comes up, and you’re not encouraging others to solve problems they can. And what happens when you don’t get every detail through Congress.

I do think Pete could be more specific though. I’d like to know what a Buttelig administration would focus on. I know what a Harris, Warren, O’Rourke, Klobuchar and even though I dislike him a Sanders one would focus on.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:51:37am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:51:59am

re: #101 plansbandc

Me too, like say Obama hanging from a noose. But that, apparently, was just fine.

And all the crap I have seen said about Muslims. I’m not going to defend FB even though I’ve had an account there from the start but it’s insane the crazy standards that exists.

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plansbandc  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:53:23am

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:53:59am

re: #71 Anymouse 🌹

We’re already over $4 here in the Nebraska Panhandle, and a lot of giant SUV and pickup truck owners are complaining about it. They aren’t connecting Trump’s policies to their present plight though.

Glad my car gets 50+ mpg.

Which will be a hopt considering Ford and GM are shutting down their small car lines.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:58:22am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:58:40am

re: #88 Shropshire Slasher

Having successfully de-stoned many an avocado without causing harm to myself, I wonder how tf she managed to stab herself while doing it. Was she using a steak knife?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 5:58:42am

re: #99 HappyWarrior

[clip] Saw a great point made about instead of asking politicians if they believe in climate change, ask them if they understand it.

This

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:01:48am

re: #102 lawhawk

Why Twitter continues to do next to nothing about the trolls and hate groups that use the platform to spread their toxic ideology despite it being clear TOS violations:

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I recall one Rage Furby predicting some time ago, pre-permaban, that Twitter’s stock would plunge to zero and that he had shorted the stock accordingly.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:07:34am

re: #39 steve_davis

If you are in prison, you don’t get to vote. That’s part of the punishment. You also don’t get to decide when you’ll eat, when you’ll sleep, when you’ll do a shift in the library or the laundry room, when you’ll be shut in your cell for 23 of 24 hours. You also don’t get a toilet with a toilet seat. And, you don’t get to make decisions about who you’ll vote for and who will represent you. You aren’t represented. You have a guardian—the State. I’m personally fine with the fact that millions of members of the Aryan Knights, the Crips, the Mexican Mafia are not offering their take on who should be running the country.

So you are saying the whole American judicial systems is 100% legitimate and there is no injustice to anyone at all for you to make such a statement.

And I note you don’t say anything about getting your rights back after you serve your sentence. I guess you want them all punished forever.

Meanwhile a lot of white collar crime goes completely untouched and they get to vote, etc.

I’m glad you get to live in that perfect world. Where is it?

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:09:09am

re: #105 HappyWarrior

And all the crap I have seen said about Muslims. I’m not going to defend FB even though I’ve had an account there from the start but it’s insane the crazy standards that exists.

All that is why none of my family uses social media.

The insane crazy standard is not insane or crazy: It’s money.

A little anti-trust action would be nice about now.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:12:13am
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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:14:41am

re: #114 Belafon

Resume Building

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:15:08am

Lre: #114 Belafon

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He may finish with a staggering 0.8% of the vote! Seriously I don’t get what sets him apart from the others running.

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:16:14am

re: #116 HappyWarrior

L

He may finish with a staggering 0.8% of the vote! Seriously I don’t get what sets him apart from the others running.

He tried to take the Speakership from Nancy and failed?

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:17:19am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:18:03am

re: #115 Dave In Austin

Resume Building

I really wish running for POTUS wasn’t used that way.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:18:50am

re: #117 lawhawk

He tried to take the Speakership from Nancy and failed?

Running in the wrong party then ha!

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:19:04am

re: #73 Patricia Kayden

There’s nothing controversial about what he wrote. Facebook is a joke.

Anymore my cynicism makes me think Zuckerberg likes booting someone like Wright. It shuts up a critical voice.

But I admit, I would love to see Facebook either taken over and controlled better or gone completely.

They helped Trump knowingly. They have been very elusive about if any of that has been fixed. Is the “good” they provide more important than the “bad?”

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BlueSpotinAL  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:19:29am

re: #81 Anymouse 🌹

Facebook makes money off conservative outrage. Their so-called AI doesn’t involve humans actually reading the post. Lots of flags, you’re gone.

That’s how they can support undermining democracies and promoting genocides. “We’ll do better” is always Zuckerberg’s excuse … at this point it looks deliberate.

What would fix this is suspension of accounts that made false reports.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:21:41am

re: #75 Anymouse 🌹

washingtonpost.com

Stephen Moore…champion knuckle dragger.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:24:17am

re: #80 A Mom Anon

Sure do. My son is on the autism spectrum and I wanted to hear what she had to say about employment and fair wages for people like my kid. That’s what took me to her website. Thinking about all that pisses me off and makes me sad. The unemployment rate among autistic adults sits at about 80 percent. If autistic people go through agencies designed to help them, they get stuck with low wage shitty jobs. No one suggests or offers support for trade schools or college. There is little chance for promotion or advancement in these jobs either. My kid opted out of the system, but that also means he has to spend lots of time masking his autism which is exhausting and impossible, so he’s lost three jobs over the last 6 months. He’s working for a temp agency with a shot at full time with Stein Mart, we’ll see how it goes. But 11.50 an hour is not a living. wage, neither is the 13 he will make if Stein Mart decides to take his status from temp guy to full time employment. There’s got to be a better way. And don’t get me started on Goodwill and their abuse of the system. It’s actually legal to pay disabled people less than minimum wage. No. That has to change.

Isn’t it great living in such a caring Christian country?

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:25:35am

Someone said Warren is also pushing for the end of the filibuster. If we take the Senate, and she doesn’t become the nominee, then I think Senate Majority Leader might be a good fit for her.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:25:59am

re: #122 BlueSpotinAL

What would fix this is suspension of accounts that made false reports.

That would take hiring people to review those reports.

This is the same guy who resisted hiring a couple monitors who spoke Burmese after Burma’s genocide was well under way because profit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:26:31am

I’ve been on FB from the start so I’ve seen the platform’s evolution pretty much all the way through. Kind of miss when it was college kids only. It was a way of staying in touch with friends that were at other schools. And then around 2008, it started becoming what’s it become now. I don’t mind it in principle. I just wish some people wouldn’t be politics 24/7. Their whole identity is tied up to their politics.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:27:36am

re: #125 Belafon

Someone said Warren is also pushing for the end of the filibuster. If we take the Senate, and she doesn’t become the nominee, then I think Senate Majority Leader might be a good fit for her.

I think that honestly might be a better place for her than President but I would be happy to have her at either position.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:31:24am

re: #92 HappyWarrior

… I have never forgiven RFK Jr for the uninformed moronic comments he made about life with autism. His father is one of my greatest political heroes but RFK Jr can go fuck himself.

What did RFK Jr say in regards to life with autism? I don’t think I ever heard or read anything about that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:35:23am

re: #129 ObserverArt

What did RFK Jr say in regards to life with autism? I don’t think I ever heard or read anything about that.

Said it was like being in a Concentration Camp. I found that as offensive as shit. My life isn’t always easy but goddamn you do not reduce the horrors of those camps to make a cheap point like that. Plus he’s one of those vaccines cause autism types.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:36:17am

I missed this clueless post:

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:38:57am

When you’ve lost the National Review:

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:40:19am

re: #115 Dave In Austin

Resume Building

I saw him on Rachel Maddow last night. He’s going to need more than resume building. He seems so full of himself.

I’d like to know what he has done politically to think he is ready to be a president. Let’s start there first.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:41:05am

I think May will be infrastructure month.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:42:36am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

When you’ve lost the National Review:

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No shit, it’s lacking Dave because it was always a shitty argument. Maybe if NR were actually focused on holding Trump accountable the same way you do about every little thing liberals from here to Timbaktu do wrong, you would realize that but nah you’re nothing but a rag established by a McCarthy apologizing racist douchebag.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:45:43am

re: #127 HappyWarrior

I’ve been on FB from the start so I’ve seen the platform’s evolution pretty much all the way through. Kind of miss when it was college kids only. It was a way of staying in touch with friends that were at other schools. And then around 2008, it started becoming what’s it become now. I don’t mind it in principle. I just wish some people wouldn’t be politics 24/7. Their whole identity is tied up to their politics.

It may have started out the way you say, but it sure looks like Marky didn’t want it to stay that way.

It became commercial and political as soon as it could. And that defeats the social aspect of it in my opinion.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:45:54am

Our second largest city, Las Cruces, has already authorized $75,000 for the same purpose.

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:47:04am
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:48:42am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

You know, Hillary had a ton of policy stuff on her campaign website and provided details on how those things would happen. I see the other women running are doing much the same and no one’s paying that much attention. What needs to happen here is get people to push Mayor Pete by comparing what he’s doing to Warren and Harris and what they have laid out. Women can multi task, ask any of us who have held a baby on our hip while making dinner and talking on the phone. I like the guy, but he needs to take it up a notch or three.

While Hillary was explaining her plan in detail to keep Medicare and Social Security solvent, Trump screamed SHE’S A NASTY WOMAN!!!

Guess what is remembered and what is forgotten.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:52:14am

re: #109 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Having successfully de-stoned many an avocado without causing harm to myself, I wonder how tf she managed to stab herself while doing it. Was she using a steak knife?

you insert the edge of the blade and twist…

those instructions should come printed on every avocado

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:53:55am

re: #134 wrenchwench

Thursday’s meeting between Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un will be the first between the two leaders. Official information about its date and location has just now been released to

Why does this evoke memories of Molotov and Ribbentrop meeting in August of 1939?

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:53:59am

re: #138 Patricia Kayden

I saw that one yesterday, and Matt’s cuteness really bit him. The followup tweet points out that while Warren was explaining things clearly, Sanders was dividing people. She sounded like a leader, he sounded like a populist. But Matt was trying too hard to be cude.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:55:13am

Pulitzer Prize winning journalists in Burma reporting on the genocide of Rohingya Muslims lost their appeal. They will stay in prison for seven years.

npr.org

The journalists’ lawyers argued the police had set them up [by planting government documents on the two journalists] — and a prosecution witness said in pretrial hearings last year that the police had planted military documents on the reporters to frame them for violating the country’s Official Secrets Act. But the lower court found that the reporters had intended to harm national security. And the witness who testified that the police planted evidence was sentenced to one year in prison for violating the Police Disciplinary Act.

(more)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:55:22am

re: #136 ObserverArt

It may have started out the way you say, but it sure looks like Marky didn’t want it to stay that way.

It became commercial and political as soon as it could. And that defeats the social aspect of it in my opinion.

I know that’s what I mean.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 6:59:00am

re: #140 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you insert the edge of the blade and twist…

those instructions should come printed on every avocado

You can remove the pit with the edge of a spoon. No need for a 7” Santoku.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:00:14am

re: #131 Anymouse 🌹

I missed this clueless post:

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Yeah, I really appreciate that $98 tax cut I got which isn’t enough to pay for the Amazon Prime annual renewal…

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:02:24am

re: #114 Belafon

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Mounting came off as a smug arrogant prick on Rachel’s show last night!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:03:18am

re: #138 Patricia Kayden

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What strikes me about her is she’s a doer. Bernie is a talker. I was positively comparing her against Bernie when I brought up that she saw a problem and fought like hell to get the agency she headed established and then fought hard to get elected to the Senate. She’s got leadership skills.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:03:34am

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mounting came off as a smug arrogant prick on Rachel’s show last night!

How can the guy who thought he could challenge Pelosi be arrogant? //

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:05:44am

re: #136 ObserverArt

It may have started out the way you say, but it sure looks like Marky didn’t want it to stay that way.

It became commercial and political as soon as it could. And that defeats the social aspect of it in my opinion.

How did we use to get most of our news? Not from reading newspapers or even watching/listening to news, but from what we heard from our friends, family and co-workers…

That has not changed, just the speed and extent to which rumors and retold stories can circle the globe.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:05:55am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Said it was like being in a Concentration Camp. I found that as offensive as shit. My life isn’t always easy but goddamn you do not reduce the horrors of those camps to make a cheap point like that. Plus he’s one of those vaccines cause autism types.

RFK is also an antivaxxer.

Meanwhile, Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz if Trump carries out his threat to sanction countries buying Iranian oil:
amp.thisisinsider.com

Meanwhile, because of the threats, crude prices are going up all around the world.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:07:17am

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mounting came off as a smug arrogant prick on Rachel’s show last night!

LOL

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:07:20am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

You can remove the pit with the edge of a spoon. No need for a 7” Santoku.

Yeah, that’s always what my parents did.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:08:12am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How did we use to get most of our news? Not from reading newspapers or even watching/listening to news, but from what we heard from our friends, family and co-workers…

That has not changed, just the speed and extent to which rumors and retold stories can circle the globe.

I think too few people take this into account. All facebook and twitter did was shrink the space between people. Most people don’t pay that much attenion to the news. And what they hear from other people probably registers as important because why would someone else bring it up.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:08:31am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

RFK is also an antivaxxer.

Meanwhile, Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz if Trump carries out his threat to sanction countries buying Iranian oil:
amp.thisisinsider.com

Meanwhile, because of the threats, crude prices are going up all around the world.

I think the vaccines cause autism kind of made that implied yes haha. But yeah he’s a kook. And damn yet another international relations fuck up. Hope people enjoy having to pay more for oil. Presidents often get too much of the blame for oil prices but this is the sort of thing that impacts prices.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:09:25am

re: #151 Anymouse 🌹

RFK is also an antivaxxer.

Meanwhile, Iran is threatening to close the Straits of Hormuz if Trump carries out his threat to sanction countries buying Iranian oil:
amp.thisisinsider.com

Meanwhile, because of the threats, crude prices are going up all around the world.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:10:44am

re: #154 Belafon

I think too few people take this into account. All facebook and twitter did was shrink the space between people. Most people don’t pay that much attenion to the news. And what they hear from other people probably registers as important because why would someone else bring it up.

It’s all double edged. I don’t crap on FB and Twitter. I think in the abstract they’re both excellent tools but tools can be abused. I don’t hate newspaper or radio because Julius Streicher and Joseph Goebells abused them in the Nazi era. There does need to be some regulation of social media but what that is, that’s tough to determine since social media isn’t and nor do I think is something you should need a license for.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:11:21am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:11:36am

re: #154 Belafon

I think too few people take this into account. All facebook and twitter did was shrink the space between people. Most people don’t pay that much attenion to the news. And what they hear from other people probably registers as important because why would someone else bring it up.

I just recall seeing some post on an ex-GF’s feed “Scientists Declare Great Barrier Reef Dead”…and even a cursory reading of the article indicated that was not the case, but that is how these things spread.

People quickly learned how to weaponize that potential.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:11:46am

re: #145 The Vicious Babushka

You can remove the pit with the edge of a spoon. No need for a 7” Santoku.

Exactly. A spoon is a safer tool for the job.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:12:32am

re: #159 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I just recall seeing some post on an ex-GF’s feed “Scientists Declare Great Barrier Reef Dead”…and even a cursory reading of the article indicated that was not the case, but that is how these things spread.

People quickly learned how to weaponize that potential.

It’s the modern version of Yellow Journalism. It’s up to us as individuals to be vigilant against fakery.

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John Hughes  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:13:13am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

. Right? In the case of 5 parties, wouldn’t just a 21 percent total of all votes cast be enough to win?

Not necessarily. In France there were 11 candidates in the first round of the 2017 presidential elections, and the winner in the second round had 66% of the vote.

In fact in France, unlike the US, it is impossible to win the presidential election with less than 50% of the vote.

One round first-past-the post is nowhere near the only possible electoral system, in fact it’s pretty much the worst possible one.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:16:38am

re: #152 Anymouse 🌹

LOL

And Spellcheck didn’t correct that…

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Curious Lifeform  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:17:19am

re: #40 A Mom Anon

OK, can someone explain to me how a three or four or five party system would actually be more democratic than what we have now? Beyond more choices, let’s just say, for easy math purposes, you have 5 parties. Each has a candidate in an election. That means you end up with votes being split 5 ways instead of 2, which means that a much smaller group of voters would be needed to win an election. Right? In the case of 5 parties, wouldn’t just a 21 percent total of all votes cast be enough to win?

I am no math genius or for that matter a genius at all, so what am I missing? It seems like more parties would just make a bigger mess. And now that I have publicly shown my ignoramousness, I shall wait for a response…

Oh, and also too, could we stop the practice of counting votes by the second and declaring winners in elections while people are still casting votes? This makes me nuts. Why do we do this?

Hi Mom - you don’t know me but I often see your name and agree with your points. And I agree with this one: It’s not a two party SYSTEM, it just ends up that way in mature democracies because duh “majority = 50% = 1 / 2”. You can start with 20 parties but you’ll still need to coalesce at least half of them to form a government.

As for calling results before the all the votes are counted - I get where you’re coming from but they are rarely wrong, and the news channels do so like to get their scoops.

CL

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:18:36am

re: #160 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Exactly. A spoon is a safer tool for the job.

OK, I admit: I use a 3” paring knife.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:20:30am

re: #165 The Vicious Babushka

OK, I admit: I use a 3” paring knife.

Apparently you’re more skillful at using it than that fitness instructor who stabbed her hand.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:20:47am

MJ is in. Watch out, Cornyn.

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John Hughes  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:20:59am

re: #43 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

In most nations, they rarely cover more than one time zone and all the polls close simultaneously.

In France the presidential elections cover 12 different time zones, from Tahiti time (UTC-10) to Wallis and Futuna time (UTC+12).

It is illegal to report results before the last polling station has closed. This is helped by having the oversees territories vote the day before the metropole, but even in the Metropole not all polling stations close at the same time, rural areas usually close before the big cities.

As usual, American exceptionalism comes down to ignorance of the rest of the world.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:23:32am

re: #167 makeitstop

MJ is in. Watch out, Cornyn.

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I think she could give him a run for his money.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:23:44am

re: #167 makeitstop

MJ is in. Watch out, Cornyn.

It’s going to be awesome watching my fellow Texans respect a veteran. HA!

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:23:49am

re: #166 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Apparently you’re more skillful at using it than that fitness instructor who stabbed her hand.

I’m not a fitness instructor. Hell, I’m not even fit! I am a 60something pie-baking Babushka.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:23:59am

re: #168 John Hughes

Waiting until the results from Hawai’i and Guam come in would probably increase the voting turnouts in the Pacific time zone.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:24:47am

re: #157 HappyWarrior

It’s all double edged. I don’t crap on FB and Twitter. I think in the abstract they’re both excellent tools but tools can be abused. I don’t hate newspaper or radio because Julius Streicher and Joseph Goebells abused them in the Nazi era. There does need to be some regulation of social media but what that is, that’s tough to determine since social media isn’t and nor do I think is something you should need a license for.

I crap on them. Noted above Twitter’s stock rise, despite not doing things like enforcing their terms against such thins as rape threats against women, Facebook streaming a snuff film from New Zealand and suicides from around the world, &c.

The regulation on social media sites? Anti-trust lawsuits. Break them up. Stop allowing them to gobble up competitors. Impose real fines for hosting illegal content.

Newspapers and radio did and do not build the largest database of individual people in the world for sale to the highest bidder.

I used to belong to a small social media site for people with epilepsy. The site did well for its size, then Facebook came in to purchase it.

The response was swift and fatal to the site. It was abandoned en masse by the users, rendering the site worthless, collapsing the deal, and bankrupting the owners who made that mistake.

That’s what needs to happen to Facebook for promoting genocide, rape and murder threats, and snuff films. Any other argument can be weighed against the ethics of the company.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:24:47am

re: #171 The Vicious Babushka

I’m not a fitness instructor. Hell, I’m not even fit! I am a 60something pie-baking Babushka.

I meant the woman in the Daily Fail article.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:25:07am

Well, some good news:

A 54-year-old woman was arrested in connection with allegedly throwing newborn puppies into a dumpster in an act caught on camera.

Deborah Sue Culwell was arrested Monday in Coachella. Culwell stayed silent as officers led her away from her Coachella home in handcuffs. She faces seven counts of felony animal abuse.

nbclosangeles.com (note: autoplay vid embedded at link)

It’s been noted elsewhere that the arrested woman had over 30 other dogs in her home - so either she’s a hoarder or (IMHO) she was running a puppy mill.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:26:19am

re: #173 Anymouse 🌹

I crap on them. Noted above Twitter’s stock rise, despite not doing things like enforcing their terms against such thins as rape threats against women, Facebook streaming a snuff film from New Zealand and suicides from around the world, &c.

The regulation on social media sites? Anti-trust lawsuits. Break them up. Stop allowing them to gobble up competitors. Impose real fines for hosting illegal content.

Newspapers and radio did and do not build the largest database of individual people in the world for sale to the highest bidder.

I used to belong to a small social media site for people with epilepsy. The site did well for its size, then Facebook came in to purchase it.

The response was swift and fatal to the site. It was abandoned en masse by the users, rendering the site worthless, collapsing the deal, and bankrupting the owners who made that mistake.

That’s what needs to happen to Facebook for promoting genocide, rape and murder threats, and snuff films. Any other argument can be weighed against the ethics of the company.

Yeah I know how you feel about FB and Twitter. I just disagree. To me, the problem remains that people abuse the medium rather than the medium itself. I know you disagree but that’s how I feel. Something’s gotta change though.

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John Hughes  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:28:47am

re: #74 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But I see nothing in there that is grounds for suspension save the language.

What’s with the language? Facebook doesn’t allow posts in English?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:29:23am

re: #172 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Waiting until the results from Hawai’i and Guam come in would probably increase the voting turnouts in the Pacific time zone.

Dixville Notch and Hart’s Landing will go to court to defy a uniform poll closing time.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:29:40am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know how you feel about FB and Twitter. I just disagree. To me, the problem remains that people abuse the medium rather than the medium itself. I know you disagree but that’s how I feel. Something’s gotta change though.

As long as they refuse to hire enough people to monitor content, they will not change. They make money off suffering and murder.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:29:46am

re: #177 John Hughes

What’s with the language? Facebook doesn’t allow posts in English?

Cursing certainly isn’t a problem since I post on FB how I talk with some healthy doses of fuck and shit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:31:35am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

As long as they refuse to hire enough people to monitor content, they will not change. They make money off suffering and murder.

They do need to do that. I just don’t look at the medium itself as the problem. I know you disagree and others disagree with me too but it’s abuse of the medium. I’m not in a big rush to overregulate the press because newspapers, radio, and TV can be abused. What does need to happen is they need to do all they can to prevent people from spreading violence.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:31:58am

The way to remove the pit from an avocado: insert the edge of the paring knife into the pit just at the edge of the flesh (flesh of the avocado, not your hand) and twist it out.

LIKE THIS:

Remove Avocado Pit with Butterknife (safe for kids)

NOT LIKE THIS:

How to Remove the Pit from an Avocado - CHOW Tip

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:32:51am
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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:33:38am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

As long as they refuse to hire enough people to monitor content, they will not change. They make money off suffering and murder.

It’s possible that they can’t keep sane humans in such jobs. There was a recent article, perhaps linked here, that looked into the contracted monitoring operation at one of the SM giants. Hiring, managing, and retention (and mental health services) were in near-collapse.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:34:39am

JFC

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:35:05am

re: #179 Anymouse 🌹

As long as they refuse to hire enough people to monitor content, they will not change. They make money off our obsession with suffering and murder.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:35:24am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

They do need to do that. I just don’t look at the medium itself as the problem. I know you disagree and others disagree with me too but it’s abuse of the medium. I’m not in a big rush to overregulate the press because newspapers, radio, and TV can be abused. What does need to happen is they need to do all they can to prevent people from spreading violence.

Newspapers, radio, and television are all regulated. Facebook is not.

I agree that they need to all they can to prevent people from spreading violence. That means hire people to monitor content.

If they continue spreading genocide, rape and murder threats, &c., it doesn’t seem to me the solution is “well, nothing can be done.” That’s what we have a government for, to protect us from rapacious capitalists who are fine with murder as long as it makes them money.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:37:56am

re: #187 Anymouse 🌹

Newspapers, radio, and television are all regulated. Facebook is not.

I agree that they need to all they can to prevent people from spreading violence. That means hire people to monitor content.

If they continue spreading genocide, rape and murder threats, &c., it doesn’t seem to me the solution is “well, nothing can be done.” That’s what we have a government for, to protect us from rapacious capitalists who are fine with murder as long as it makes them money.

That’s what I mean. Have similiar regulations in place that newspapers, radio, and TV. However, it’s a little different since with Facebook and Twitter, you are talking about the bare individual. There needs to be changes. I just don’t the specifics on how you do something like this since it’s an unique thing.

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Dave In Austin  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:39:24am

re: #170 Belafon

It’s going to be awesome watching my fellow Texans respect a veteran. HA!

How many in the primary now?

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:39:45am
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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:40:20am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:41:07am

re: #191 Teukka

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That’s pretty punny.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:41:29am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

That’s what I mean. Have similiar regulations in place that newspapers, radio, and TV. However, it’s a little different since with Facebook and Twitter, you are talking about the bare individual. There needs to be changes. I just don’t the specifics on how you do something like this since it’s an unique thing.

The only winning move is not to play.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:43:14am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

The only winning move is not to play.

And how are you going to get a few million to not play? Shutting down facebook would just send them somewhere else.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:43:58am

re: #194 Belafon

And how are you going to get a few million to not play? Shutting down facebook would just send them somewhere else.

Who said this has a happy ending?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:45:14am

re: #194 Belafon

And how are you going to get a few million to not play? Shutting down facebook would just send them somewhere else.

I “play” by deleting political posts from my FB. But I am funny that way; I am there to find out what my friends and family are up to, not to disseminate or receive information on politics or current events beyond local events and concerts.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:45:58am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

The only winning move is not to play.

Except it’s vital to how a lot of us stay in touch with family and friends.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:46:24am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:46:49am

re: #188 HappyWarrior

That’s what I mean. Have similiar regulations in place that newspapers, radio, and TV. However, it’s a little different since with Facebook and Twitter, you are talking about the bare individual. There needs to be changes. I just don’t the specifics on how you do something like this since it’s an unique thing.

If some dipwad sends a death threat to the “Letters to the Editor” column of the local newspaper, they won’t print it. They might also call the cops.

Facebook doesn’t do that, and hides behind “we promise we’ll do better next time.” Then the next time. Then the time after that.

Newspapers, television, and radio all employ editors. Faceborg doesn’t.

On this quiet corner of the Interwebs, our esteemed host Mr. Johnson will banhammer someone immediately if they post illegal content.

Over at the more lively Wonkette, when they started getting porn advert trolls they empowered non-commentators (including me) to banhammer them. When someone created a Disqus account and posted the murder porn from Facebook, the management took swift action against that (and temporarily suspended posting photos and Facebook links).

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:48:25am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Except it’s vital to how a lot of us stay in touch with family and friends.

The Big Reveals about family&friends seems to be a big part of many users’ complaints.

Buy a stamp.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:49:06am

re: #194 Belafon

And how are you going to get a few million to not play? Shutting down facebook would just send them somewhere else.

I think frankly a lot of people don’t understand that SM really is modern communications. Whereas those in the past had letters and the telephone, we have social media. Social media’s got its problem but acting like people should just disengage from it I think really isn’t the solution. Whether we like FB or not, it’s here to stay just like Amazon. Adaptation is the name of the game IMO. I do what Wendell does. I barely ever post any political stuff on FB. I do from time to time but it’s my way of communicating with people and it’s going to be a great help to me once I get out of my grad program too.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:49:44am

re: #147 Joe Bacon 🌹

Mounting came off as a smug arrogant prick on Rachel’s show last night!

That’s what I thought too Joe. Glad to know others felt the same way about him.

I appreciate his service and honors in the military. But I wonder about him as a politician.

Here is the interview with Rachel if anyone wants to check it out. She did two parts, here is the first.

Iframe

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:51:01am

re: #199 Anymouse 🌹

If some dipwad sends a death threat to the “Letters to the Editor” column of the local newspaper, they won’t print it. They might also call the cops.

Facebook doesn’t do that, and hides behind “we promise we’ll do better next time.” Then the next time. Then the time after that.

Newspapers, television, and radio all employ editors. Faceborg doesn’t.

On this quiet corner of the Interwebs, our esteemed host Mr. Johnson will banhammer someone immediately if they post illegal content.

Over at the more lively Wonkette, when they started getting porn advert trolls they empowered non-commentators (including me) to banhammer them. When someone created a Disqus account and posted the murder porn from Facebook, the management took swift action against that (and temporarily suspended posting photos and Facebook links).

Once again, I fully support regulating the shit out of that stuff. I just think the kill Facebook attitude is childish IMO. Regulate the medium. I’m merely stating that individual based social media is a different character than print media. You wrongly have this idea that everyone on FB is politics. Some of us and I include myself are pretty apolitical on there.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:51:56am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:52:33am

re: #202 ObserverArt

That’s what I thought too Joe. Glad to know others felt the same way about him.

I appreciate his service and honors in the military. But I wonder about him as a politician.

Here is the interview with Rachel if anyone wants to check it out. She did two parts, here is the first.

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I have read some stuff about him as a politician that I like but I can’t think of one thing that positively separates him. As I said, I wish people would stop running for POTUS to build their profile. I really think running for POTUS should be for people who hope to end up in the executive branch pretty much immediately.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:52:51am

re: #204 wrenchwench

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The long game continues.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:54:06am

re: #150 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

How did we use to get most of our news? Not from reading newspapers or even watching/listening to news, but from what we heard from our friends, family and co-workers…

That has not changed, just the speed and extent to which rumors and retold stories can circle the globe.

Maybe you did. I always watched the news and read a lot.

So, what you are saying is people are lazy and don’t want to inform themselves and would just as easyily believe Aunt Ruth who gets all of her news out of The National Enquirer.

And now we know how we ended up with Trump!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:55:03am

I’m going to drop it though. I know that I have a more favorable opinion of social media than a lot of people here. So we can AtoD on it but I firmly believe that the problems remain how things are used rather than the what which is what I was sort of getting at in my page last week.

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Curious Lifeform  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:55:21am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I’m no advocate for FB - I don’t even have an account and never will - but I think the sheer scale of the problem that needs to be addressed needs to be appreciated. To hire enough people to monitor billions of posts over millions of accounts is just not going to make the business model work.

I like to work with real-world comparisons (call me a dinosaur). Do we hold all the bars in the country responsible for the conversations that happen within their walls? But we do call the police when crimes are committed.

If there was a way to catch and punish those that actually post the content - real prison time if appropriate - that would help. While the only punishment is just suspension of accounts right now the problem will not cease.

How about if FB can be allowed to rely on public reports of illegal content, but then become responsible if those reports are not handed over to the relevant authorities?

CL

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:56:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:57:07am

President Racist Grandpa has tweeted over 50 times in the last 24 hours. He’s been on an epic rant on and off all morning going after just about everyone he hates. He thinks we shouldn’t impeach him because economy, even going so far as to repurpose an old Clinton slogan (It’s the economy, stupid!) while apparently being blissfully unaware that Clinton just so happened to be Impeached when the economy was doing pretty well.

Then, there’s this shit.

Yes, that’s the President of the United States demanding people fall to their knees and GROVEL before him. JFC.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:57:30am

re: #207 ObserverArt

Maybe you did. I always watched the news and read a lot.

So, what you are saying is people are lazy and don’t want to inform themselves and would just as easyily believe Aunt Ruth who gets all of her news out of The National Enquirer.

And now we know how we ended up with Trump!

I always watch the news - hell, I even do here (ČT24, basically, the Czech version of CNN).

My parents made me watch the news when I was a kid - not so much local news, but definitely world news. Mind you, this woulda been in the ’70s, when the Big Three had actual real news - and foreign bureaus too (I remember all three had news desks in Moscow among other capital cities in Europe).

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:58:00am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

He’s scared shitless.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:58:42am

re: #207 ObserverArt

Maybe you did. I always watched the news and read a lot.

So, what you are saying is people are lazy and don’t want to inform themselves and would just as easyily believe Aunt Ruth who gets all of her news out of The National Enquirer.

And now we know how we ended up with Trump!

I’ve always read the paper. Hell from what my parents told me, it’s how I learned to read. The thing I think is that news spreads quicker than it ever has before. Let me use a historical example here. The Titanic sinking. If Fitanic were to sink now, we would know the details immediately. Now this is what’s fucked up about modern city but that rapid knowledge also makes reality easy to spread crap about. Maybe it was better when we had to have time to process the news but because of where we are with how quickly we can communicate- I can send a message to my cousin in the UK and she’ll receive it immediately for example versus 30 years ago I would have had to write a letter or pay an absurd fee for an out of country phone call. It’s a complicated issue. I just think it’s a little different than old print media.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:59:43am

re: #211 Eclectic Cyborg

President Racist Grandpa has tweeted over 50 times in the last 24 hours. He’s been on an epic rant on and off all morning going after just about everyone he hates. He thinks we shouldn’t impeach him because economy, even going so far as to repurpose an old Clinton slogan (It’s the economy, stupid!) while apparently being blissfully unaware that Clinton just so happened to be Impeached when the economy was doing pretty well.

Then, there’s this shit.

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Yes, that’s the President of the United States demanding people fall to their knees and GROVEL before him. JFC.

Stalin is his spirit animal. He’s told us who he was. He’s an autocrat wannabe.

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2019 • 7:59:46am

re: #98 Belafon

Personally I think you have to balance it. Too few details, and there’s no real direction to your ideas. Too many details, and you have to come up with a policy for everything that comes up, and you’re not encouraging others to solve problems they can. And what happens when you don’t get every detail through Congress.

Sorry to be late responding; I’m way behind the night crew!

Yes! I voted for Obama and for Hillary because I trusted them to do the right thing, not because I read every word of their policy papers (because I didn’t). It is a good thing that they develop their policies, so they are ready to go if chosen, but that’s not the main reason why I voted for them.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:00:53am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Once again, I fully support regulating the shit out of that stuff. I just think the kill Facebook attitude is childish IMO. Regulate the medium. I’m merely stating that individual based social media is a different character than print media. You wrongly have this idea that everyone on FB is politics. Some of us and I include myself are pretty apolitical on there.

I know the overwhelming majority of Facebook is not rape and death threats and promoting genocide (that’s not “politics”).

Facebook is essentially a monopoly. Since it refuses to regulate itself to its own terms of service, then it needs to be regulated.

Most corporations would prefer to regulate themselves than have the government do it. Facebook is being looked at by multiple countries and the UN now for promoting murder and genocide. They’re being checked out here for promoting a digital version of Jim Crow in advertising in violation of the law.

I’m not suggesting social media sites be torn down (even if they do have repeated data breaches of your personal data, then promise to “do better”). They must regulate themselves, or governments must do it.

And by the way, promoting genocide violates international law. I would pay good money to see Zuck go to The Hague.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:01:42am

re: #209 Curious Lifeform

I’m no advocate for FB - I don’t even have an account and never will - but I think the sheer scale of the problem that needs to be addressed needs to be appreciated. To hire enough people to monitor billions of posts over millions of accounts is just not going to make the business model work.

I like to work with real-world comparisons (call me a dinosaur). Do we hold all the bars in the country responsible for the conversations that happen within their walls? But we do call the police when crimes are committed.

If there was a way to catch and punish those that actually post the content - real prison time if appropriate - that would help. While the only punishment is just suspension of accounts right now the problem will not cease.

How about if FB can be allowed to rely on public reports of illegal content, but then become responsible if those reports are not handed over to the relevant authorities?

CL

A lot of this sounds reasonable to me.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:02:58am

I get all the news I need on the weather report.

Simon & Garfunkel - The Only Living Boy in New York (Audio)

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:05:19am

re: #209 Curious Lifeform

How about if FB can be allowed to rely on public reports of illegal content, but then become responsible if those reports are not handed over to the relevant authorities?

That would certainly help.

Asking a libertarian to take responsibility for anything is kind of like asking a cat to do it. They will need to be forced through legislation, then fought off when they bring the inevitable lawsuits claiming Freeze Peach.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:11:21am

Well, I’m going to bail. I need to go to bed. Am waiting on a phone call from the VA for an appointment for a screening test that has me concerned.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:14:38am

re: #221 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I’m going to bail. I need to go to bed. Am waiting on a phone call from the VA for an appointment for a screening test that has me concerned.

Sending good vibes your way.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:14:57am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

I get all the news I need on the weather report.

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In the “Welcome to Night Vale” podcast, the weather report is when they play music.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:15:40am

re: #219 Decatur Deb

I get all the news I need on the weather report.

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They way they’re positioned, it looks like Garfunkel has arrested Simon.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:15:59am

re: #222 Eclectic Cyborg

Sending good vibes your way.

Thanks kindly.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:17:07am

re: #224 Belafon

They way they’re positioned, it looks like Garfunkel has arrested Simon.

In the backstory, Simon was pissed because AG took a hiatus in Mexico.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:17:16am

re: #193 Decatur Deb

The only winning move is not to play.

That seems impossible. Facebook and Twitter are so accepted. And that acceptance allows them to do what they want.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:18:44am

re: #227 ObserverArt

That seems impossible. Facebook and Twitter are so accepted. And that acceptance allows them to do what they want.

Totally doable. Fuck Twitter, FB, and all their minions.

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John Hughes  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:19:41am

re: #185 The Vicious Babushka

Gotta protect the rights of rapists.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:20:50am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Except it’s vital to how a lot of us stay in touch with family and friends.

We are all trapped in a circular debate.

I think it might be one of those topics I’ll shy away from around here.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:21:44am

re: #227 ObserverArt

That seems impossible. Facebook and Twitter are so accepted. And that acceptance allows them to do what they want.

I’m really leaving now. Phone just rang. Grr telemarketers.

We choose to go to the Moon! We choose to go to the Moon…We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard; because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one we intend to win, and the others, too.—John F. Kennedy

If we can do that, we can regulate a couple monopolies.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:22:33am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

I’m really leaving now. Phone just rang. Grr telemarketers.

If we can do that, we can regulate a couple monopolies.

We didn’t really go to the Moon. Saw it on FaceBook.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:24:05am

re: #230 ObserverArt

We are all trapped in a circular debate.

I think it might be one of those topics I’ll shy away from around here.

I think some of y’all just need to understand that for many of us it’s really no different than the telephone, email, or a letter. I actually don’t have a Twitter account. I really think many of your problems are with abuse of the medium rather than the medium itself. I don’t have a problem against political websites like ours because Stormfront exists. As I said regulate FB but we have to be aware that this is 21st century communication too warts and all.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:31:02am

The grass is apparently not going to cut itself. Later.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:32:30am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The grass is apparently not going to cut itself. Later.

Scold it more harshly next time.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:34:15am
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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:35:24am

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I think some of y’all just need to understand that for many of us it’s really no different than the telephone, email, or a letter. I actually don’t have a Twitter account. I really think many of your problems are with abuse of the medium rather than the medium itself. I don’t have a problem against political websites like ours because Stormfront exists. As I said regulate FB but we have to be aware that this is 21st century communication too warts and all.

I agree. I’m not a Luddite.

Telephones and letters are regulated. Send a death or rape threat in the mail or over the telephone and you’ve violated federal law. A threat sent via E-mail depends but is also illegal.

All I want is the same sort of regulation of Facebook, particularly since it is a de facto monopoly. (And get them out of the education business; Zuck and his wife don’t know jack about education and are trying to leverage poor rural schools for information on children.)

Out now. Catch up later.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:35:27am

re: #236 makeitstop

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That’s pretty meaningful if you ask me. Now why any self respecting law professor would have helped Trump transition is beyond me.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:36:58am

re: #237 Anymouse 🌹

I agree. I’m not a Luddite.

Telephones and letters are regulated. Send a death or rape threat in the mail or over the telephone and you’ve violated federal law. A threat sent via E-mail depends but is also illegal.

All I want is the same sort of regulation of Facebook, particularly since it is a de facto monopoly. (And get them out of the education business; Zuck and his wife don’t know jack about education and are trying to leverage poor rural schools for information on children.)

Out now. Catch up later.

Right regulate the threats adn crap. I’m all for that. I just think how the regulation is going to happen is a different manner than something like print media. As I said in my page, we are all the old time newsboy who can shout extra, extra read all about it. That’s the 21st century. And man it’s got some good aspects to it but some shitty aspects to it too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:38:03am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty meaningful if you ask me. Now why any self respecting law professor would have helped Trump transition is beyond me.

Maybe they thought he’d actually “pivot” and start acting saner once he took office. Optimism and all that.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:39:12am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe they thought he’d actually “pivot” and start acting saner once he took office. Optimism and all that.

lots of people assumed that because it was logical

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freetoken  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:39:37am

re: #234 Decatur Deb

The grass is apparently not going to cut itself. Later.

We call them “goats”.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:39:54am

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

Maybe they thought he’d actually “pivot” and start acting saner once he took office. Optimism and all that.

I know but he had to have watched the same campaign we did.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:42:30am

re: #242 freetoken

We call them “goats”.

they use them around here to keep the abandoned vineyards from getting overgrown with brush and brambles

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:44:28am

re: #238 HappyWarrior

That’s pretty meaningful if you ask me. Now why any self respecting law professor would have helped Trump transition is beyond me.

The guy had done a transition before - Mitt’s - and was asked to come on by McGahn. He said he didn’t last and bailed because he didn’t agree with Trump’s stance on immigration.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:45:57am

re: #245 makeitstop

The guy had done a transition before - Mitt’s - and was asked to come on by McGahn. He said he didn’t last and bailed because he didn’t agree with Trump’s stance on immigration.

Ahhh okay. Maybe I’m being too harsh on the professor though Mitt himself ran pretty far to the right on immigration himself.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:47:11am

re: #203 HappyWarrior

Once again, I fully support regulating the shit out of that stuff. I just think the kill Facebook attitude is childish IMO. Regulate the medium. I’m merely stating that individual based social media is a different character than print media. You wrongly have this idea that everyone on FB is politics. Some of us and I include myself are pretty apolitical on there.

I don’t think ‘mouse is saying that.

What he is saying is even with all the nice social banter we still got Trump through the manipulation of Facebook and Twitter; even spilling into YouTube.

It is not about you and Wendell doing the right thing. It is all the others that do not.

It is Facebook realizing they have a huge, comprehensive and powerful database they will sell to people to manipulate the platform for other than social uses. And that database loves to record the bad and good of all kinds of comments because all of that is very usable for the manipulation.

In other words that what makes Facebook bad is also good. It just depends what you are trying to achieve and if the people using it have good or bad intentions. So what I may not like is something someone else does like because they get to identify like-minded and then influence them.

I think that is why Zuckerberg is so protective of what he has and why he will probably never want to change. All the information, good and bad is important.

If he gets regulated so too does his data and then it becomes less potent because it no longer reflects those whose comments and posting get booted.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:47:25am

re: #246 HappyWarrior

Ahhh okay. Maybe I’m being too harsh on the professor though Mitt himself ran pretty far to the right on immigration himself.

Still to the left of Trump and Steven Miller

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:47:28am

I see DT is demanding a jaunt in Queen Elizabeth’s golden carriage. Again. grrrrrrrrrrr

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gocart mozart  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:49:10am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:49:30am

re: #247 ObserverArt

I don’t think ‘mouse is saying that.

What he is saying is even with all the nice social banter we still got Trump through the manipulation of Facebook and Twitter; even spilling into YouTube.

It is not about you and Wendell doing the right thing. It is all the others that do not.

It is Facebook realizing they have a huge, comprehensive and powerful database they will sell to people to manipulate the platform for other than social uses. And that database loves to record the bad and good of all kinds of comments because all of that is very usable for the manipulation.

In other words that what makes Facebook bad is also good. It just depends what you are trying to achieve and if the people using it have good or bad intentions. So what I may not like is something someone else does like because they get to identify like-minded and then influence them.

I think that is why Zuckerberg is so protective of what he has and why he will probably never want to change. All the information, good and bad is important.

If he gets regulated so too does his data and then it becomes less potent because it no longer reflects those whose comments and posting get booted.

I don’t know. I just think it’s very tricky. How do we find objective ways to find who is acting in good and bad faith? I see plenty of people who think they’re just trying to spread ideas who are spreading disinformation without realizing it.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:49:51am

re: #248 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Still to the left of Trump and Steven Miller

Mitt actually would disagree with you there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:53:08am

re: #250 gocart mozart

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That’s the opinion of one man and while I acknowledge Scalia knew more about the Constitution and law in his pinkie than I did, he was wrong about that. If the Constitution was meant the way he says it was, we would have the same document we did in 1787. We do not have that. The Constitution and this is the real wisdom of the founders was intended to be amiable to changes with the times. The basic principles of the Constitution remain constant but the finer details can and do change with the times. That’s why we abolished slavery, implemented income tax, and gave women the right to vote. Scalia’s view of the Constitution was and is very narrow. And frankly he was fine with his own biases on certain matters.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:55:56am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

And this is the problem with people who also believe that the Bible is the True and Immutable Word of God.

Our Founding Fathers had no idea of electronic mass communication, International Corporations (aside from state-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company) or modern weapons of mass destruction or even small-scale mass murder

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:58:04am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Our Founding Fathers had no idea of electronic mass communication, International Corporations (aside from state-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company) or modern weapons of mass destruction or even small-scale mass murder

Not to mention Facebook, Twitter, Automobiles, Cell phones, Video games, Opioids, Gasoline, Climate Change…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:58:16am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And this is the problem with people who also believe that the Bible is the True and Immutable Word of God.

Our Founding Fathers had no idea of electronic mass communication, International Corporations (aside from state-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company) or modern weapons of mass destruction or even small-scale mass murder

Right there’s that too. It’s time to stop acting like the Constitution is a sacred document. It is what it is, a great legal framework, a declaration of principles if you will but not the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not possible in society.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:59:04am

re: #241 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

lots of people assumed that because it was logical

Those were people that didn’t read and got all of their info from social media!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:59:09am

re: #255 Eclectic Cyborg

Not to mention Facebook, Twitter, Automobiles, Cell phones, Video games, Opioids, Gasoline, Climate Change…

The country was a much different place in 1787. The difference between what a small and large state much smaller than it is now. the demographics of the country too.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 8:59:15am

Jackass

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:00:03am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:00:46am

The Bill of Rights btw isn’t technically in the Constitution. It had to be added because people like Madison and Jefferson insisted on it. The Constitution itself had to be written because the Articles of Confederation wasn’t working.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:02:14am

re: #259 Eclectic Cyborg

Jackass

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If it’s respected, it’s in spite of you. No one looks at the United States and respects us because you’re our President, they respect us because of what we did when you were hosting a stupid reality show, sleeping with women that looked like Ivanka, and doing mountains of blow at Studio 54..

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:13:51am

PS:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:15:18am
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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:15:31am

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:15:37am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

PS:

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I like how we have an actual outline of stuff that Trump could objectively be charged with and inbred Dave Daubenmire thinks HRC should just be arrested because because. Stupid asshole is in for a rude awakening when Trump is either impeached or the first former President to go on trial.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:16:14am

re: #264 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:16:23am

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

Arrest her for what. There should be counter protesters there to put this idiot in his place.

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William Lewis  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:18:16am

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Yeah I know how you feel about FB and Twitter. I just disagree. To me, the problem remains that people abuse the medium rather than the medium itself. I know you disagree but that’s how I feel. Something’s gotta change though.

I have no love for social media. I actually tend towards what you are saying because the Internet has been full of ratfuckers since the days of ARPANET and long before even “The Great Renaming” of USENET. Now September never ends and it’s 24/7/365 ratfuckers.

That said, Zuckerberg is the single biggest problem of them all and until _he_ is held criminally liable and is sent away for a minimum of 2 decades for what Facebook has done and continues to do, none of it will get better.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:24:43am

re: #269 William Lewis

I have no love for social media. I actually tend towards what you are saying because the Internet has been full of ratfuckers since the days of ARPANET and long before even “The Great Renaming” of USENET. Now September never ends and it’s 24/7/365 ratfuckers.

That said, Zuckerberg is the single biggest problem of them all and until _he_ is held criminally liable and is sent away for a minimum of 2 decades for what Facebook has done and continues to do, none of it will get better.

Yeah Zuckerberg is the problem. On that I agree 100% with.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:26:14am

re: #270 Teukka

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:26:50am

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:28:23am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:29:38am

re: #271 HappyWarrior

Yeah Zuckerberg is the problem. On that I agree 100% with.

With Dorsey not too far behind.

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:30:12am

re: #273 HappyWarrior

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:30:39am

re: #274 goddamnedfrank

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re: #274 goddamnedfrank

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:34:01am

Thank you both. I’m watching a Russian miniseries on Trotsky right and it’s interesting seeing the inner divisions that existed in the Soviets. I’ve always been fascinated by that. In the right too.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:34:45am

re: #276 Teukka

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:36:41am

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Thank you both. I’m watching a Russian miniseries on Trotsky right and it’s interesting seeing the inner divisions that existed in the Soviets. I’ve always been fascinated by that. In the right too.

There were splits and divisions all through Soviet history, Stalin kept a lid on it but they bubbled right back up to the surface after his death: the Russian nationalists vs the Internationalists, the socialist purists vs the market-leaning liberals, the hawks vs the less-hawkish, heck, there was even a budding environmentalist movement in the USSR…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:39:15am

re: #281 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

There were splits and divisions all through Soviet history, Stalin kept a lid on it but they bubbled right back up to the surface after his death: the Russian nationalists vs the Internationalists, the socialist purists vs the market-leaning liberals, the hawks vs the less-hawkish, heck, there was even a budding environmentalist movement in the USSR…

The free love movement too. Right. There’s something fascinating about divides that exist in seemingly dogmatic groups.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:41:09am

re: #282 HappyWarrior

The free love movement too. Right. There’s something fascinating about divides that exist in seemingly dogmatic groups.

The US had to present them as a monolith with an obedient population, that made them a more terrifying enemy and justified more military spending and spying.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:42:35am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The US had to present them as a monolith with an obedient population, that made them a more terrifying enemy and justified more military spending and spying.

Of course. And they did the same to us too.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:47:13am

re: #242 freetoken

We call them “goats”.

re: #244 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

they use them around here to keep the abandoned vineyards from getting overgrown with brush and brambles

We used them in the Army to keep vegetation down in large ammunition storage areas. One less ignition source compared to powered mowers. A good contracting officer could get them at low/no cost in consideration of the forage.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:56:14am

re: #286 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:56:16am

re: #287 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:56:44am

Still obstructing.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 9:57:44am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:01:20am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:02:50am
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Mattand  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:02:52am

re: #236 makeitstop

God, I’m always so conflicted hearing from Republicans who want Trump gone. Partly because

1) They most likely voted for him, or refused to vote for Clinton if they didn’t, and are now blindsided and shocked that he’s a fucking disaster.
2) They probably are convinced that Trump came out of nowhere, and it has nothing to do with the racist, hyper-religious, anti-intellectual downward spiral they’ve been supporting since Reagan.
3) They’d be fine with someone like John Kasich, who will do all of the evil shit they want done while coming off as not insane.

I know, “enemy of enemy” and all that horseshit, but just once, I want one of these fuckers to straight up apologize/repudiate how they’ve voted over the last how-many years.

They hate Trump because he’s given them everything they want, and clearly elucidated what they’re thinking, while being incredibly fucking obvious about it.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:02:57am

When this sad chapter of American politics is hopefully over I sure hope we get to understand what powers the Russians, or whoever, has over the likes of McConnell and Graham.

No sir to both of them…it is not time to move on. It is time to move you out.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:03:44am

*VOMITS*

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:04:08am

re: #297 ObserverArt

When this sad chapter of American politics is hopefully over I sure hope we get to understand what powers the Russians, or whoever, has over the likes of McConnell and Graham.

No sir to both of them…it is not time to move on. It is time to move you out.

$$$$ and true contempt for democracy because it gets in the way of their bosses.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:05:33am

re: #285 Decatur Deb

We used them in the Army to keep vegetation down in large ammunition storage areas. One less ignition source compared to powered mowers. A good contracting officer could get them at low/no cost in consideration of the forage.

But they could be used to smuggle in enemy agents…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:05:49am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:07:02am

re: #301 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:08:12am

re: #296 Mattand

We know Ana Navarro voted for Clinton, and also encouraged others to vote for her.

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:08:17am

re: #283 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

The US had to present them as a monolith with an obedient population, that made them a more terrifying enemy and justified more military spending and spying.

Monolith exactly

Cf also

Liberals
The left
Progressives
Democrat party
Socialists

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:09:07am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

Cornyn: It’s Tuesday, I feel like getting ‘ratioed’

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:09:12am

re: #291 The Vicious Babushka

“Hollywood Hegar.” “Hey, D.C. Cornyn, why do you hate the military?”

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Sufficient unto the day...  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:10:20am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:10:38am
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Mattand  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:11:11am

re: #303 Belafon

We know Ana Navarro voted for Clinton, and also encouraged others to vote for her.

So there’s one.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:12:16am

re: #300 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

But they could be used to smuggle in enemy agents…

Trojan Goats.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:12:52am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:14:38am

re: #311 The Vicious Babushka

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allegro  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:16:04am

re: #216 retired cynic

Sorry to be late responding; I’m way behind the night crew!

Yes! I voted for Obama and for Hillary because I trusted them to do the right thing, not because I read every word of their policy papers (because I didn’t). It is a good thing that they develop their policies, so they are ready to go if chosen, but that’s not the main reason why I voted for them.

I need to see a balance of the two. Grand ideas without any plan/means to accomplish them is… Bernie. All talk, no ability to make ideas into realistic policy. I gotta see that ability. Likewise I need to see good planners who are also good executives, able to inspire support and, again, make ideas into realistic policy with follow through.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:17:41am

re: #313 allegro

I need to see a balance of the two. Grand ideas without any plan/means to accomplish them is… Bernie. All talk, no ability to make ideas into realistic policy. I gotta see that ability. Likewise I need to see good planners who are also good executives, able to inspire support and, again, make ideas into realistic policy with follow through.

Related, I’m definitely seeing what you meant about Buttelig. I’m still tbd but Warren is really rising for me lately.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:18:29am

re: #313 allegro

I need to see a balance of the two. Grand ideas without any plan/means to accomplish them is… Bernie. All talk, no ability to make ideas into realistic policy. I gotta see that ability. Likewise I need to see good planners who are also good executives, able to inspire support and, again, make ideas into realistic policy with follow through.

Especially in the US, because the president doesn’t write laws.

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gwangung  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:21:47am

re: #314 HappyWarrior

Related, I’m definitely seeing what you meant about Buttelig. I’m still tbd but Warren is really rising for me lately.

Ran across this…

theroot.com

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:22:21am

For something different: cbc.ca

They knew it had to exist, but they just couldn’t find evidence of it. Now, after decades of searching, astrophysicists have found verification of the first molecule that formed minutes after the Big Bang.

The helium hydride ion (HeH+) the scientists detected wasn’t the original one created just after the Big Bang, but it has the same molecular structure — helium combined with hydrogen — they theorized formed at the time.

“For the first time, we’ve detected the same type of molecule in a nearby nebula,” said David Neufeld, co-author of the study in the journal Nature, who’s a professor and astrophysicist at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore.

“And it’s exciting, because it’s the first time it’s ever been seen in space.”

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lawhawk  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:22:46am

re: #315 Belafon

And this current one does read them either (or read anything other than what Fox tells him, or regurgitates for him in simple words that even he can understand).

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:23:34am

Lovely SCOTUS we have. Dragging us further and further back so the GOP can reign supreme even when they lose.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:24:05am

re: #298 The Vicious Babushka

*VOMITS*

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Might as well just place a giant bullseye there and beyond done with it. Living in a community named after Trump in a contested area like that is dangerous AF.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:26:46am

re: #316 gwangung

Ran across this…

theroot.com

Yeah I’ve been reading about his tenure as South Bend’s Mayor when it comes to minorities. Not a great record.

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:26:57am

re: #317 Belafon

For something different: cbc.ca

They’ve detected a molecule in a nebula

That by itself should get more emphasis

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:27:42am

This is scary as fuck:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:28:45am

re: #315 Belafon

Especially in the US, because the president doesn’t write laws.

Exactly. Someone having an uber Progressive legislative record isn’t really my primary concern when voting for executive. What is however is the issues they have led on.

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:29:39am

They’re so damned corrupt the rot gushes out everywhere you look.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:29:42am

re: #319 Citizen K

Lovely SCOTUS we have. Dragging us further and further back so the GOP can reign supreme even when they lose.

Is getting mustard on my sandwich also essential to enforcing the VRA, because it’s seems about as arbitrary?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:31:25am
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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:34:08am

re: #326 Belafon

Repealing the VRA will be necessary to enforcing the VRA, clearly. That way there will be no conflicts regarding enforcing it!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:34:26am

re: #327 The Vicious Babushka

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I love him. My cousins went to school with him and his brother. They’re both really good guys. Cornyn should talk to the Trump fan that Patton helped out if he wants to use Patton as a cheap political punching bag but it really to me says he’s worried about Hegar if he’s bashing her for having the support of Patton Oswalt. Insecure little man baby needs to be run out of Washington along with Trump and McConnell.

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:35:41am
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gwangung  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:35:51am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Yeah I’ve been reading about his tenure as South Bend’s Mayor when it comes to minorities. Not a great record.

It’s kinda why it really IS a big deal that he’s so inexperienced…seasoning on several different jobs would teach him how to handle these competing interests and would show how he’s learned from his past mistakes. Black communities are rightly concerned about how he’d handle their interests, and he has no record to reassure them with.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:39:02am

re: #331 gwangung

It’s kinda why it really IS a big deal that he’s so inexperienced…seasoning on several different jobs would teach him how to handle these competing interests and would show how he’s learned from his past mistakes. Black communities are rightly concerned about how he’d handle their interests, and he has no record to reassure them with.

That’s a great point. And you’re right at this point, he just has his words to reassure them and I completely understand why any African-American would have a nope attitude to that. I still like him more than Sanders and Gabbard but he’s got a ways to go before he can be in the bigs.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:40:13am

re: #330 Teukka

[A literal pissing contest]

I blame Trump for making piss a topic seen as appropriate for politics.

Next up: The contest of the DNAs. ‘Have you been fully sequenced?’

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:40:38am
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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:41:25am

re: #293 Man, DangerMan

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really?
nobody?
sigh

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:42:02am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:42:11am

re: #334 jaunte

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Team Cornyn made a mistake by picking a battle of wits with Patton. It didn’t end well for Ben Shapiro and it won’t end well for Sushi Cornyn.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:42:45am

re: #336 The Vicious Babushka

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I really want to see Jared in an orange jumpsuit knowing that Daddy Kush can’t bail him out this time.

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:44:01am

re: #337 HappyWarrior

Picking a fight with a standup comedian who has HUGE experience in dealing with hecklers and is way smarter than you is just the kind of braindead move you would expect from a Texas GOP operative.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:44:17am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:45:12am

re: #339 jaunte

Picking a fight with a standup comedian who has HUGE experience in dealing with hecklers and is way smarter than you is just the kind of braindead move you would expect from a Texas GOP operative.

Yeah they messed with the wrong guy.

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:47:31am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:48:49am

I knew Oswalt was going to take Team Cornyn to task for that.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:48:55am

re: #342 jaunte

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I really hope Hegar uses that in an ad if Cornyn tries to pull the “I’m about law and order” card because the son of a bitch ain’t.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:49:20am

re: #343 Eclectic Cyborg

I knew Oswalt was going to take Team Cornyn to task for that.

The staffer who thought that was a good idea put his dick in the hornet’s nest.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:51:01am

WHUT (in spoiler tags because WHUT)

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:54:55am

Expect this to show up in someone’s Twitter very shortly: (in spoiler tags because stupefying bullshit)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:56:58am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Expect this to show up in someone’s Twitter very shortly: (in spoiler tags because stupefying bullshit)

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Smells like bullshit so you know that President Poopypants will be spreading it shortly.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:57:46am

Is this good or bad?
I’m torn on this one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:58:26am
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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:58:49am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Eye Bleach Futures Tumble.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 10:59:16am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Props.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:00:57am

Baby Whiplash worshipping a god in his own image:

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William Lewis  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:02:17am

I don’t understand why there is any doubt that the SCOTUS will allow the citizenship question. This isn’t about being constitutional it’s all about keeping the GOP in power. Why even pretend?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:02:43am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

True, God doesn’t have a political party. But if He did, I’m confident it wouldn’t be the one that supports abortion-on-demand, abolition of sex, anti-religious discrimination in law, government-as-god, and terrorists who murder 8-year-olds voting.

Read your OT, the Bible allows abortion and even infanticide under certain conditions.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:03:25am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash worshipping a god in his own image:

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Oh shut the fuck up you holier than thou asshole. And btw the religious laws you support discriminate against Jewish people too but because you’re so desperate to get Evangelicals to like you, you overlook their Antisemitism because you’re nothing but a hateful little scoundrel who acts like he’s pious even though he spends his days on Twitter slut shaming strangers. Fuck you, Ben Shapiro, no one ever asked what your goddamn opinion until someone thought it was a great idea to use an Issac from Children of the Corn cosplayer as a propagandist.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:04:24am
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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:04:34am

God wouldn’t support any party that worships Capitalism the way Ben does. Maybe Ben should try actually being impoverished and we’ll see how much he worships Capitalism then. Until then, he’s just another asshole who got everything handed to him on a silver platter.

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plansbandc  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:05:16am

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:05:28am

re: #354 William Lewis

I don’t understand why there is any doubt that the SCOTUS will allow the citizenship question. This isn’t about being constitutional it’s all about keeping the GOP in power. Why even pretend?

Roberts sometimes surprises but this is an issue that he’s a through and through GOP loyalist.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:05:44am

re: #359 plansbandc

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Happy Birthday.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:05:48am

re: #356 HappyWarrior

you’re so desperate to get Evangelicals to like you, you overlook their Antisemitism

They do not care a hoot about Jews or Judaism, they support Israel because they need it to see their End Times prophecies fulfilled and non-Believers like Ben cast into the Lake of Fire.

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:07:23am

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

“There was Charlie everywhere man!”
“It’s ok, Charlie can’t hurt you anymore, he was sent to juvie.”

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:07:32am

re: #362 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not care a hoot about Jews or Judaism, they support Israel because they need it to see their End Times prophecies fulfilled and non-Believers like Ben cast into the Lake of Fire.

We know. He doesn’t know this because he’s got his head so far up his ass that he thinks the Evangelical right cares more about Jews than a party that has Jews not just in its leadership but throughout its rank and file. He’s a nasty little asshole who thinks he speaks for Jews but speaks instead for his right wing fanatical view of the world because he’s a pathetic, little loser.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:07:41am

Ben Shapiro follows a very weird form of “Judaism” that he made up all by himself. It is actually Evangelicalism without the Jesus and has only 2 Commandments:
1. Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Woman To Make A Choice
2. Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Gay Or Transgender To Exist

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:08:32am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Expect this to show up in someone’s Twitter very shortly: (in spoiler tags because stupefying bullshit)

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WTF is this, anyway? Just another example of “when in doubt, blither away about ‘Hillary’s emails’”?? With extra added “Obama” to get the rubes all het up?

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:09:03am

re: #319 Citizen K

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Lovely SCOTUS we have. Dragging us further and further back so the GOP can reign supreme even when they lose.

I just heard Nina Totenberg on NPR that the 5 conservative justices apparently approve of the citizen question.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:09:05am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

WHUT (in spoiler tags because WHUT)

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moobs! EW!!!

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:09:47am

re: #365 The Vicious Babushka

Ben Shapiro follows a very weird form of “Judaism” that he made up all by himself. It is actually Evangelicalism without the Jesus and has only 2 Commandments:
1. Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Woman To Make A Choice
2. Thou Shalt Not Suffer A Gay Or Transgender To Exist

He is such a holier than thou asshole. And if you notice, it’s always women he shames for choosing to get abortions. He never goes after men who abandon prengant women because for Ben who btw also mocks how his daughter runs responsibility isn’t for men but it is for sluts. His grift is pathetic. He does it because no self respecting law firm would ever employ such a phony intellectual moron like himself.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:10:43am

re: #350 Backwoods_Sleuth

That qualifies as a legit WHOA.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:11:36am

Sorry for getting so angry but goddamnit I’m tired of Ben Shapiro acting like women who get abortions are gleeful about it. It’s not an easy fucking choice and that little cretin knows it but he just has to slut shame and shame the only major party in this country that respects a woman’s right to control her own pregnancy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:13:51am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Sorry for getting so angry but goddamnit I’m tired of Ben Shapiro acting like women who get abortions are gleeful about it. It’s not an easy fucking choise and that little cretin knows it but he just has to slut shame and shame the only major party in this country that respects a woman’s right to control her own pregnancy.

women are chattel

pregnant non-married women are sluts

abortion is killing babies

He does not utter the first two lines out loud directly, but that is what his their premise is based on

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:14:14am

re: #367 retired cynic

I just heard Nina Totenberg on NPR that the 5 conservative justices apparently approve of the citizen question.

In other words, the country will officially* become a much whiter place now. Fun.

*If only because the brown people will count for less.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:15:07am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

women are chattel

pregnant non-married women are sluts

abortion is killing babies

He does not utter the first two lines out loud directly, but that is what his their premise is based on

I really hope his daughter when she sees the stuff he’s written and said over the years is able to understand things tells him off. If he’s anything as a father like he is on Twitter and on his rag, I feel deeply sorry for that little girl for having such a colossal retrograde asshole as a father.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:15:26am

re: #371 HappyWarrior

Sorry for getting so angry but goddamnit I’m tired of Ben Shapiro acting like women who get abortions are gleeful about it. It’s not an easy fucking choise and that little cretin knows it but he just has to slut shame and shame the only major party in this country that respects a woman’s right to control her own pregnancy.

Ben’s practicing Evangelical Judaism. I know there are conservative sects, but Ben’s requires you to nail yourself to the Torah every day.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:15:33am

re: #373 Citizen K

In other words, the country will officially* become a much whiter place now. Fun.

*If only because the brown people will count for less.

can’t they still count for 3/5ths?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:15:48am

And yes I am going after him as a father because he mocks the aspirations of girls and women everywhere for not wanting to be bounded by old gender stereotypes.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:16:34am

re: #373 Citizen K

In other words, the country will officially* become a much whiter place now. Fun.

*If only because the brown people will count for less.

I would love for Texas to lose a rep because of that.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:16:36am

Re: felons voting while in prison…

The first thing I thought of hearing this last night is something I haven’t seen or heard anyone mention. How would those votes happen under those circumstances where prisoners are completely dependent on the “kindness” (if you will) of the guards and warden? For instance, would a vote for a Democrat ever be allowed to be cast if the warden is a Republican? Do we think those votes would ever be private or freely made?

I sure don’t.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:17:11am

re: #375 Belafon

Ben’s practicing Evangelical Judaism. I know there are conservative sects, but Ben’s requires you to nail yourself to the Torah every day.

It’s all very selective for him though. He sure as hell bears false witness a lot especially when it comes to transgendered men and women he’s never even attempted to understand. He accuses us of worshiping the government. He worships Capitalism.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:17:16am

re: #346 The Vicious Babushka

Better question - is that really Roger Stone’s Twitter account? I thought he was banned from Twitter.

Or did he just pull a Rage Furby and open up a new one? ‘Cause if that’s actually from Stone, yeah, I’m surprised. Genuinely surprised.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:17:20am

re: #353 The Vicious Babushka

Baby Whiplash worshipping a god in his own image:

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So he thinks God would prefer the party that refuses to invite strangers in, clothe the poor, feed the hungry or help the sick?

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:17:49am

re: #378 Belafon

I would love for Texas to lose a rep because of that.

It would only be cold comfort offsetting the losses of reps in Blue states. And they’d probably end up eliminating a blue district as a matter of course anyhow.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:20:10am

re: #379 allegro

Re: felons voting while in prison…

The first thing I thought of hearing this last night is something I haven’t seen or heard anyone mention. How would those votes happen under those circumstances where prisoners are completely dependent on the “kindness” (if you will) of the guards and warden? For instance, would a vote for a Democrat ever be allowed to be cast if the warden is a Republican? Do we think those votes would ever be private or freely made?

I sure don’t.

Yeah how do you have a secret ballot in prison? That’s a great question. And honestly I’m not sure how I feel about people serving sentences for violent crimes and voting. Once people serve their time, no question, voting rights restored but while being punished, I can’t totally agree. There’s gotta be some punishment and loss of freedoms if you break the law. Doesn’t mean you should get ruined forever mind you but I do think there should be some losses of privileges that come with citizenship that come with criminal punishment.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:20:17am

re: #383 Citizen K

It would only be cold comfort offsetting the losses of reps in Blue states. And they’d probably end up eliminating a blue district as a matter of course anyhow.

All the more reason for people to vote next year. Get control, change the law, and recount.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:20:59am

re: #382 Eclectic Cyborg

So he thinks God would prefer the party that refuses to invite strangers in, clothe the poor, feed the hungry or help the sick?

His God certainly.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:21:26am

re: #384 HappyWarrior

Yeah how do you have a secret ballot in prison? That’s a great question. And honestly I’m not sure how I feel about people serving sentences for violent crimes and voting. Once people serve their time, no question, voting rights restored but while being punished, I can’t totally agree. There’s gotta be some punishment and loss of freedoms if you break the law. Doesn’t mean you should get ruined forever mind you but I do think there should be some losses of privileges that come with citizenship that come with criminal punishment.

Have a vote monitor, and let the prisoners in one at a time. You can even do one per room to speed things up. Make the voting box so that it can’t be opened from inside the prison.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:22:35am

re: #387 Belafon

Have a vote monitor, and let the prisoners in one at a time. You can even do one per room to speed things up. Make the voting box so that it can’t be opened from inside the prison.

I’ll have to look more at this. I know other countries have let people vote while in prison so it’s not as radical and crazy as it sounds. I just don’t know about letting violent felons vote.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:23:29am

As I said though, I think you should gain your voting rights back when you get out and as strongly pro gun control as I am, I feel that way about guns too though I have to say, I’m a little wary about giving 2A rights back to violent offenders.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:23:45am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to look more at this. I know other countries have let people vote while in prison so it’s not as radical and crazy as it sounds. I just don’t know about letting violent felons vote.

I am also not sure but I believe that restoration of voting rights to felons after serving their sentences varies from state to state

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:24:28am

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am also not sure but I believe that restoration of voting rights to felons after serving their sentences varies from state to state

It does. Virginia recently did this.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:24:53am

re: #388 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to look more at this. I know other countries have let people vote while in prison so it’s not as radical and crazy as it sounds. I just don’t know about letting violent felons vote.

Here’s my argument for allowing violent felons to vote: Who gets to define who is a violent felon?

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Citizen K  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:25:09am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

As I said though, I think you should gain your voting rights back when you get out and as strongly pro gun control as I am, I feel that way about guns too though I have to say, I’m a little wary about giving 2A rights back to violent offenders.

I’m less wary about giving voting rights back once you’ve served your time than I am gun rights. A lot harder to kill someone directly with a vote, regardless of the crime you service sentence for.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:25:29am

re: #387 Belafon

Have a vote monitor, and let the prisoners in one at a time. You can even do one per room to speed things up. Make the voting box so that it can’t be opened from inside the prison.

Here’s another concern: access to media is pretty tightly controlled in prison, isn’t it? What if the only access to information is Fox?

There is more than one way to insure votes go the way you want when you have absolute control over the voters.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:25:44am

re: #392 Belafon

Here’s my argument for allowing violent felons to vote: Who gets to define who is a violent felon?

You do make a good point. So much in CJ is subjective.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:26:06am

re: #392 Belafon

Here’s my argument for allowing violent felons to vote: Who gets to define who is a violent felon?

Wouldn’t it depend upon what he or she was convicted of?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:27:25am

re: #393 Citizen K

I’m less wary about giving voting rights back once you’ve served your time than I am gun rights. A lot harder to kill someone directly with a vote, regardless of the crime you service sentence for.

I understand that but the principle is time served so you should regain your rights and that even if we don’t like guns includes guns. Now that said, I’m extremely uncomfortable with giving a released murderer or rapist or person with a history of violence access to guns. But someone who was busted for possession or something like that? I have to support it. It’s a sticky area.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:28:09am

re: #372 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

women are chattel

pregnant non-married women are sluts

abortion is killing babies

He does not utter the first two lines out loud directly, but that is what his their premise is based on

This. He was ranting on Twitter about “Equal Pay” which he thinks women SHOULD NOT GET even for performing the same exact job as men. His “reasoning” (if you can even call it that) is TEH WIMMENZ TAKES OFF TOO MUCH TIMES FOR BABBY HAVINGS!!!!! and presented as proof Dr. Shapiro (his North African wife) who TOOK MATERNITY LEAVE.

So women are slutz & murderesses if they use birth control & have abortions, but they are undeserving of equal pay for the same work if they stay pregnant and give birth.

If Ben was my son I would kick his ass so hard, and I would tell my daughter-in-law to make sure he gets his ass kicked on a daily basis.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #396 makeitstop

Wouldn’t it depend upon what he or she was convicted of?

Is resisting arrest vilent or not? Does it depend on your skin color?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #396 makeitstop

Wouldn’t it depend upon what he or she was convicted of?

I think he means for things like assault. Assault can carry a lot of different meanings.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:29:33am

re: #394 allegro

Here’s another concern: access to media is pretty tightly controlled in prison, isn’t it? What if the only access to information is Fox?

There is more than one way to insure votes go the way you want when you have absolute control over the voters.

I know plenty of people outside of prison who fit that, and they get to vote. Also, though, do you think a lot of prisoners are actually swayed by Fox that weren’t swayed by it outside?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:30:32am

re: #398 The Vicious Babushka

This. He was ranting on Twitter about “Equal Pay” which he thinks women SHOULD NOT GET even for performing the same exact job as men. His “reasoning” (if you can even call it that) is TEH WIMMENZ TAKES OFF TOO MUCH TIMES FOR BABBY HAVINGS!!!!! and presented as proof Dr. Shapiro (his North African wife) who TOOK MATERNITY LEAVE.

So women are slutz & murderesses if they use birth control & have abortions, but they are undeserving of equal pay for the same work if they stay pregnant and give birth.

If Ben was my son I would kick his ass so hard, and I would tell my daughter-in-law to make sure he gets his ass kicked on a daily basis.

And if you bring up women like my sister in law’s sisters who don’t have babies. He shames them for not doing their “motherly duties.” He’s a douchebag. As I said, I feel really sorry for his daughter because he pretty much tells her everyday that she should be limited in what she can and cannot do because she’s a woman. He’s a sexist clown and hopefully Dr. Shapiro eventually realizes that and divorces his ass and takes him for all he’s got and he’ll be reduced to what his old pal Milo has become.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:31:21am

re: #399 Belafon

Is resisting arrest vilent or not? Does it depend on your skin color?

You’re right. To be fair, I was thinking about things like attempted murder, murder, and rape.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:31:43am

Speaking of the SCOTUS, one of the things I have noticed is that Congress hasn’t really been overturning Supreme Court ruling that they disagree wiht that aren’t strictly covered by the constitution. That’s something else Democrats will need to do if they gain control.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:32:29am

I do think what we should be talking about Re: prisons is making sure people don’t reoffend. And we do that by first acknowledging that most people in jail and prison are getting out. So let’s help prepare them for life on the outside.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:32:33am

re: #403 HappyWarrior

You’re right. To be fair, I was thinking about things like attempted murder, murder, and rape.

Understood, but even I have seen where the (white) legal system has taken a mundane law and used it in “unique” ways.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:33:18am

re: #406 Belafon

Understood, but even I have seen where the (white) legal system as taken a mundane law and used it in “unique” ways.

As you said, this is tough because you are definitely right about racial disparities that exist in what people are charged and convicted of.

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Belafon  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:34:37am

re: #407 HappyWarrior

As you said, this is tough because you are definitely right about racial disparities that exist in what people are charged and convicted of.

And we’d see a sudden uptick in those considered violent.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:35:51am

re: #335 Man, DangerMan

really?
nobody?
sigh

It would’a’ worked better if you had something like butta-edg-edge.

You gotta get those two hard ‘g’ sounds in there.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:36:19am

re: #408 Belafon

And we’d see a sudden uptick in those considered violent.

Yeah lot of overzealous prosecutors trying to make a name for themselves. Man this is tough. Honestly right now, my focus would be letting anyone who has served a jail or prison sentence regain their suffrage and expunging the record of those convicted of marijuana related offenses and immediate releases with a marijuana legalization bill.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:39:19am

And honestly with some white collar crooks, they may not physically harmed someone but could have led to someone having health and financial problems they otherwise wouldn’t have had.

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allegro  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:39:56am

re: #401 Belafon

I know plenty of people outside of prison who fit that, and they get to vote. Also, though, do you think a lot of prisoners are actually swayed by Fox that weren’t swayed by it outside?

Outside of prison there is freedom and choice. There is exposure to information whether or not one chooses to partake in it.

Inside prison there is no freedom or exposure to any information not approved by the keepers. Therefore informed votes are not possible even if not outright compelled to vote a certain way with guaranteed private vote (narrator: it would never happen).

BTW, I am completely in favor of restoring voting rights once out of prison.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:41:06am

re: #347 The Vicious Babushka

Expect this to show up in someone’s Twitter very shortly: (in spoiler tags because stupefying bullshit)

From his Twitter page:

Tom FittonVerified account
@TomFitton
President, Judicial Watch. (These are my personal views only!) Author, New York Times best seller Clean House.

How about you take your personal views and stick them somewhere personal that is out of view Judicial Watch clown.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:43:59am

re: #349 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Is this good or bad?
I’m torn on this one.

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Here is what you need to ask ‘Dart.

If this happened to you, do you think you’d have the pull to get a judge to seal the video? Would you even have the chance?

To me it is more about the law is different depending on wealth and stature.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:44:29am

re: #414 ObserverArt

Bingo.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:46:22am

re: #359 plansbandc

Happy Happy!

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:47:24am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:49:48am

Take that, you orange Motherfucker!

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jaunte  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:50:32am

An armed, absent-minded teacher will supply the weapon for the next school shooting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:50:59am

re: #419 jaunte

An armed, absent-minded teacher will supply the weapon for the next school shooting.

THIS

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retired cynic  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:51:27am
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Cheechako  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:51:43am

re: #417 jaunte

I hope the school districts insurance carriers get to say what they think about this proposal.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:51:49am

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Better question - is that really Roger Stone’s Twitter account? I thought he was banned from Twitter.

Or did he just pull a Rage Furby and open up a new one? ‘Cause if that’s actually from Stone, yeah, I’m surprised. Genuinely surprised.

I think it is the account of a Stone fan who probably can be counted on to post comments from Stone.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:57:59am

re: #419 jaunte

An armed, absent-minded teacher will supply the weapon for the next school shooting.

Yep, or when they leave it in the john after pinching a loaf and some kid finds it and accidentally shoots themselves.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:59:01am

re: #423 ObserverArt

I think it is the account of a Stone fan who probably can be counted on to post comments from Stone.

Interesting. So that makes me wonder if Stone has turned or is turning against Trump? Because that tweet was certainly not a positive one regarding Trump.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Apr 23, 2019 • 11:59:50am

re: #254 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

And this is the problem with people who also believe that the Bible is the True and Immutable Word of God.

Our Founding Fathers had no idea of electronic mass communication, International Corporations (aside from state-sponsored monopolies like the British East India Company) or modern weapons of mass destruction or even small-scale mass murder

The Founding Fathers also did not know that small hand held weapons would be invented that can enable one person to kill an entire room of people in 10 seconds. Those guys were content to deal with each other with weapons capable of only about 3 shots per minute by a trained soldier.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:00:52pm

re: #417 jaunte

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How soon after Florida implements the teachers can have guns law before we learn of a shooting of students by a teacher stressed out by their students or home issues or just loses it mentally.

Also, who stops the teacher at that point?

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:03:52pm

re: #390 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I am also not sure but I believe that restoration of voting rights to felons after serving their sentences varies from state to state

A guy in our circle, an ex-convict, recently succeeded in suing Alabama for felons’ rights. A quirk in the 1913 constitution denies voting only to those convicted of “moral turpitude” felonies. The term was never defined until his suit. As a result, most Alabama felons never really lost their rights—they just didn’t know it. Because most felons are housed out of their home county, or even out of state, most can now vote “absentee” by mail.

He explains the generous AL lapse as the consequence of the assumption that only white felons ever would vote—Blacks were not seen as voters in 1913, felon or not.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:05:45pm

re: #426 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The Founding Fathers also did not know that small hand held weapons would be invented that can enable one person to kill an entire room of people in 10 seconds. Those guys were content to deal with each other with weapons capable of only about 3 shots per minute by a trained soldier.

And that would be a very well-trained soldier from that era.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:11:56pm

re: #426 Rocky-in-Connecticut

The Founding Fathers also did not know that small hand held weapons would be invented that can enable one person to kill an entire room of people in 10 seconds. Those guys were content to deal with each other with weapons capable of only about 3 shots per minute by a trained soldier.

that’s what I meant with “weapons of small-scale mass murder”

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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:16:07pm

re: #426 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Which is why all those laws that exist now, from the Federal rules about restricting full auto to all those California and local laws stand up in court just fine. What stands between us and an assault weapon restriction or ban is legislative reluctance, not the near bankrupt NRA or the 2nd A.

Which tells me we can get after Twitter, Facebook and haters on the same without revoking or diminishing the 1st, keep the FBI out of our phones and computers without warrants etc.

The founders could not imagine radio or emails. But the courts chose radio as no warrant as anyone can tune in but emails are personal. But it took a court with the Constitution behind it to enable holding back the FBI and police.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:18:21pm

re: #429 Dr Lizardo

And that would be a very well-trained soldier from that era.

…and even the best-trained shot could not reasonably expect hit anyone at ranges beyond 100 yards…how far away was the Las Vegas mass shooter?

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:21:03pm
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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:21:58pm

Notre Dame cathedral is getting FEMA tarps. /

I just heard on the radio that the architect in charge of fixing it has hired mountain climbers to place ‘protective covers’. No color was specified.

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Old Liberal  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:22:13pm

re: #422 Cheechako

I hope the school districts insurance carriers get to say what they think about this proposal.

They’ll pass a law giving immunity to teachers and schools. There is no bottom seemingly.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:22:48pm

re: #433 Teukka

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No shit. My great grandfathers would have hated Trump.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:23:35pm

re: #434 wrenchwench

Notre Dame cathedral is getting FEMA tarps. /

I just heard on the radio that the architect in charge of fixing it has hired mountain climbers to place ‘protective covers’. No color was specified.

Woad.

en.wikipedia.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:24:24pm

re: #433 Teukka

Coal mining was simply of a symbol of a (hollow) promise to bring back high-paying jobs to rural areas for people with little training or education.

Because people there still believe that those jobs are coming back.

They were convinced that all we had to do was abolish all health, safety and environmental regulations and there would be abundant work with benefits - and without the need for those pesky, meddlesome unions.

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:24:50pm

re: #432 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

…and even the best-trained shot could not reasonably expect hit anyone at ranges beyond 100 yards…how far away was the Las Vegas mass shooter?

About 500 yards: about the distance that an 18th-Century commander would consider “artillery range” and near the extreme limit of musket-shot.

The old saying of “don’t fire ‘til you see the whites of their eyes” comes from the fact that that was just about the range you would need to be sure of hitting your target.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:24:56pm

re: #437 Decatur Deb

Woad.

en.wikipedia.org

woad is me

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:26:29pm

re: #437 Decatur Deb

Woad.

en.wikipedia.org

Blue with a fancy name so they can charge more?

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Jay C  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:27:04pm

re: #440 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

woad is me

Oy!
Hit the woad, man…..

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:27:52pm

re: #441 wrenchwench

Blue with a fancy name so they can charge more?

Main source of blue in medieval France. Strongly linked to Our Lady (Notre Dame).

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:30:21pm

re: #381 Dr Lizardo

Better question - is that really Roger Stone’s Twitter account? I thought he was banned from Twitter.

Or did he just pull a Rage Furby and open up a new one? ‘Cause if that’s actually from Stone, yeah, I’m surprised. Genuinely surprised.

I don’t think that account has anything to do with Roger Stone.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:30:43pm

re: #444 The Vicious Babushka

I don’t think that account has anything to do with Roger Stone.

I was curious about that.

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wrenchwench  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:31:48pm

re: #443 Decatur Deb

Main source of blue in medieval France. Strongly linked to Our Lady (Notre Dame).

From your link:

The dye chemical extracted from woad is indigo, the same dye extracted from “true indigo”, Indigofera tinctoria, but in a lower concentration. Following the Portuguese discovery of the sea route to India by the navigator Vasco da Gama in 1498, great amounts of indigo were imported from Asia. Laws were passed in some parts of Europe to protect the woad industry from the competition of the indigo trade. It was proclaimed that indigo caused yarns to rot: “In 1577 the German government officially prohibited the use of indigo, denouncing it as that pernicious, deceitful and corrosive substance, the Devil’s dye.”[23] “… a recess of the Diet held in 1577 prohibited the use of ‘the newly-invented, deceitful, eating and corrosive dye called the devil’s dye.’” This prohibition was repeated in 1594 and again in 1603.[24] In France, Henry IV, in an edict of 1609, forbade under pain of death the use of “the false and pernicious Indian drug”.[25]

Now it’s merely an invasive species (on this continent).

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:35:13pm

Can’t find a link accessible from the EU, but I’m reading that Washington (the state) is going to move to permanent Daylight Savings Time. The legislation passed the state House (it already passed the state Senate) and is now headed to Governor Inslee’s desk for his signature.

No more setting the clocks back, it looks like.

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:35:28pm

re: #442 Jay C

Oy!
Hit the woad, man…..

yeah, sure go ahead

while ‘budda-edge’ above got nothing // ;-)

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Decatur Deb  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:35:32pm

re: #446 wrenchwench

From your link:

Now it’s merely an invasive species (on this continent).

Saw a film on the process of turning the yellow plant stuff into cool blue. It’s very complex, with the blue coming up late in the sequence. (Getting tasty chocolate from the raw cocoa buds is similarly non-obvious.)

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:36:23pm

re: #447 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a link: seattletimes.com

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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:38:53pm

re: #442 Jay C

woad you knock it off.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:38:58pm

The Racist Ads begin

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:39:29pm

re: #450 Dr Lizardo

Here’s a link: seattletimes.com

The EU is apparently phasing out DST, looks like the magic year is 2021.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:39:44pm

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Racist Ads begin

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Scumbags.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:40:33pm

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

The Racist Ads begin

AOC simply looks like someone a Trump supporter would call 911 over.

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Dr Lizardo  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:40:51pm

re: #453 Teukka

The EU is apparently phasing out DST, looks like the magic year is 2021.

Yeah. The Czech Parliament is slated to take up legislation regarding that sometime this year.

Most likely, we’ll end up doing whatever Germany does. And if Germany moves to permanent Summer Time, we’ll almost certainly do the same.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:41:36pm

re: #456 Dr Lizardo

Yeah. The Czech Parliament is slated to take up legislation regarding that sometime this year.

Most likely, we’ll end up doing whatever Germany does. And if Germany moves to permanent Summer Time, we’ll almost certainly do the same.

Ve vill be ze Land of Endless Summer!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:42:36pm

re: #264 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Grrrr. Taxing Gold Star children survivors’ benefits.

Popping in and out … I was awakened by the VA calling about that screening test.

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:44:14pm

The Pwning of Team Cornyn continues:

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:44:32pm

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

Grrrr. Taxing Gold Star children survivors’ benefits.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:45:45pm

re: #459 The Vicious Babushka

The Pwning of Team Cornyn continues:

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Didn’t Trump make Weiner jokes? Well I guess Oswalt can always run as a Republican, he just can’t talk against them.

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:47:58pm

Wildfire season update for Sweden:
Several ongoing forest fires (lost count), and MSB (Swedish DHS-ish) has issued a warning for increased fire hazard for Southern and Central Sweden, as well as placing choppers on standby.
*braces*
Here we go…
*sighs*

translate.google.com

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:48:38pm

re: #452 The Vicious Babushka

New Trump ad on Facebook today attacks @AOC.

Video slams @AOC for saying undocumented immigrants live in her district, that Trump is racist, and that ICE shouldn’t get more funding

Says she cares more about “illegal immigrants” than “American citizens”

trump hires them

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:48:42pm

re: #461 HappyWarrior

Didn’t Trump make Weiner jokes? Well I guess Oswalt can always run as a Republican, he just can’t talk against them.

I wonder what Cornyn intern must be thinking right now, being assigned to search Patton Oswalt’s Twitter feed for every instance of naughty words.

This is sofa king lame!
I’m really enjoying this job!
I can’t believe I’m actually getting paid to do this!
Oh wait, I’m actually not getting paid.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:50:36pm

re: #464 The Vicious Babushka

I wonder what Cornyn intern must be thinking right now, being assigned to search Patton Oswalt’s Twitter feed for every instance of naughty words.

This is sofa king lame!
I’m really enjoying this job!
I can’t believe I’m actually getting paid to do this!
Oh wait, I’m actually not getting paid.

Yeah. That’s what happens when you work for a lameass like Cornyn tho so not exactly feeling bad.

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:51:16pm

re: #462 Teukka

Wildfire season update for Sweden:
Several ongoing forest fires (lost count), and MSB (Swedish DHS-ish) has issued a warning for increased fire hazard for Southern and Central Sweden, as well as placing choppers on standby.
*braces*
Here we go…
*sighs*

translate.google.com

Addendum: SMHI Fire risk map: smhi.se

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:52:23pm

re: #462 Teukka

Wildfire season update for Sweden:
Several ongoing forest fires (lost count),

I also heard of a massive peat fire in the north of England started by a disposable barbecue grill

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:53:35pm

re: #467 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I also heard of a massive peat fire in the north of England started by a disposable barbecue grill

Rescue services here called disposable grills the bane of their existence last summer.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:54:47pm

re: #468 Teukka

Rescue services here called disposable grills the bane of their existence last summer.

I use them down on the Rhine, on a sandy beach, douse and dispose of them immediately after use.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:56:13pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

I think some of y’all just need to understand that for many of us it’s really no different than the telephone, email, or a letter. ..

re: #217 Anymouse 🌹

..
Facebook is essentially a monopoly. Since it refuses to regulate itself to its own terms of service, then it needs to be regulated. …

Certainly agree with part of the discussion: FB is really like the mail — except visible to more people, with a lot more discussion. Would you really want the government to be listening in to your phone calls or reading all your mail? When my mother was in the service during WWII, all her letters were reviewed by censors and a few actually had sections blacked out. I don’t see how we can or should implement anything close to this; AI isn’t capable of reviewing text and deciding what is inappropriate.

It’s easier to spread misinformation through SM — but every phone call I receive from political organization or scammers also has misinformation as does much of the mail I receive from the same sources. Even letters from family can be replete with lies. I don’t know how to deal with this — but it does seem that if a lot of bots or others report a post, then at least humans should evaluate the posting before consigning the author to Twitter or FB gulag.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:56:53pm

re: #460 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:57:49pm

re: #471 Anymouse 🌹

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A Mom Anon  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:58:21pm

re: #458 Anymouse 🌹

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Teukka  Apr 23, 2019 • 12:58:41pm

re: #472 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:02:12pm

re: #472 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

LOL

re: #473 A Mom Anon

Thank you.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:03:52pm

re: #474 Teukka

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:04:03pm

A local Republican activist has spotted yet another weird demo-rat connection:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:04:54pm

re: #477 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A local Republican activist has spotted yet another weird demo-rat connection:

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Right Donald Trump, Jr sounds totally different than Donald Trump, Sr. He sounds even less intelligent.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:05:19pm

re: #236 makeitstop

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He approves of Pence, the Manafort nominee for VP. He waited until now to make a published objection to Trump. I wouldn’t place any credence in his statements on anything, though I suppose some GOP Senators might begin thinking that if Trump has even lost a hack like Verret, it’s time to reconsider their position. Pence gets them all the bad legislation and judges without the embarrassing rants.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:13:51pm

re: #263 Anymouse 🌹

PS:

Dave Daubenmire drove from Ohio to New York yesterday so he could stand alone outside the Clinton’s home and demand that Trump arrest Hillary.
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This is not a fringe phenomenon. There are tens of millions of Americans who share this view: almost every person who still supports Trump plus Bernie Bros.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:14:57pm

re: #480 Hecuba’s daughter

This is not a fringe phenomenon. There are tens of millions of Americans who share this view: almost every person who still supports Trump plus Bernie Bros.

Because it is one of the few smoke screens that Trump can throw out as the fire in his trousers starts to spread…

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mmmirele  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:17:50pm

re: #447 Dr Lizardo

Can’t find a link accessible from the EU, but I’m reading that Washington (the state) is going to move to permanent Daylight Savings Time. The legislation passed the state House (it already passed the state Senate) and is now headed to Governor Inslee’s desk for his signature.

No more setting the clocks back, it looks like.

We (Arizona, with the exception of the Navajo Nation) do not go on Daylight Stupid Time. So basically, our Mountain Standard Time is Pacific Daylight Time. Now to have California join us there permanently as well. :)

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:20:02pm

re: #479 Hecuba’s daughter

He approves of Pence, the Manafort nominee for VP. He waited until now to make a published objection to Trump. I wouldn’t place any credence in his statements on anything, though I suppose some GOP Senators might begin thinking that if Trump has even lost a hack like Verret, it’s time to reconsider their position. Pence gets them all the bad legislation and judges without the embarrassing rants.

For my money, any Republican calling for impeachment is a plus, regardless of their record. If it makes moderates and fence-sitters stop and wonder what’s going on for a minute, all good AFAIC.

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:23:59pm

re: #479 Hecuba’s daughter

He approves of Pence, the Manafort nominee for VP. He waited until now to make a published objection to Trump. I wouldn’t place any credence in his statements on anything, though I suppose some GOP Senators might begin thinking that if Trump has even lost a hack like Verret, it’s time to reconsider their position. Pence gets them all the bad legislation and judges without the embarrassing rants.

Pence doesn’t have the same intense base that Trump commands. He isn’t the hater they like. So, politically he suffers from that, especially if it can be turned that it was Pence supporters who pushed Trump out.

Pence isn’t all that well liked by people in his own party. He actually was saved politically by being picked VP which is one of the reasons I think they took him. They knew he would be loyal because they kept him politics as he was almost done in Indiana.

Sure, McConnell will control him but I think the base loses its interest and maybe that even takes some of the boldness out of McConnell and also the scare of that Trump base. McConnell can be a little looser without that base because he won’t have to fear them as much. Might make him 1% more workable.

And really, how much do you hear Republican talk about Pence? If he was all that, they probably would have run Trump out by now.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:25:26pm

re: #483 makeitstop

For my money, any Republican calling for impeachment is a plus, regardless of their record. If it makes moderates and fence-sitters stop and wonder what’s going on for a minute, all good AFAIC.

They aren’t going to respond to someone they never heard of. He’s never held public office and he doesn’t appear to be a Republican with a real SM platform, just a law professor at a right wing university.

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Anymouse 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:25:39pm

re: #481 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Because it is one of the few smoke screens that Trump can throw out as the fire in his trousers starts to spread…

See also Jeanine Pirro following her around in the woods.

Hillary Clinton probably didn’t think Dave Daubenmire was worth siccing the Secret Service on.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:30:18pm

re: #477 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A local Republican activist has spotted yet another weird demo-rat connection:

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That has to be a Poe.

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Hecuba's daughter  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:30:23pm

re: #484 ObserverArt


Sure, McConnell will control him but I think the base loses its interest and maybe that even takes some of the boldness out of McConnell and also the scare of that Trump base. McConnell can be a little looser without that base because he won’t have to fear them as much. Might make him 1% more workable.
….

Nothing will make McConnell more cooperative with Democrats. He wasn’t before Trump and he won’t be after Trump.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:32:31pm

re: #427 ObserverArt

How soon after Florida implements the teachers can have guns law before we learn of a shooting of students by a teacher stressed out by their students or home issues or just loses it mentally.

Also, who stops the teacher at that point?

Or Mr Big Jock on Steroids beats up teacher, takes the gun, kills teacher and goes on a rampage?

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:32:44pm

re: #484 ObserverArt

Pence doesn’t have the same intense base that Trump commands. He isn’t the hater they like. So, politically he suffers from that, especially if it can be turned that it was Pence supporters who pushed Trump out.

Pence isn’t all that well liked by people in his own party. He actually was saved politically by being picked VP which is one of the reasons I think they took him. They knew he would be loyal because they kept him politics as he was almost done in Indiana.

Sure, McConnell will control him but I think the base loses its interest and maybe that even takes some of the boldness out of McConnell and also the scare of that Trump base. McConnell can be a little looser without that base because he won’t have to fear them as much. Might make him 1% more workable.

And really, how much do you hear Republican talk about Pence? If he was all that, they probably would have run Trump out by now.

- if trump is out before 2020 pence wont get any legislation passed anyway
- he’d have have some executive power for a short while and won’t wield it much differently than trump is

- if trump is out before 2020 and pence runs for president, pence will get pasted

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ObserverArt  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:34:03pm

re: #488 Hecuba’s daughter

Nothing will make McConnell more cooperative with Democrats. He wasn’t before Trump and he won’t be after Trump.

He would be less inclined to do some of the real stupid crap like all the wall business, which he didn’t really want to deal with.

And I did say 1% better, so that was a joke admitting he wasn’t going to change.

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DangerMan  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:35:35pm

re: #488 Hecuba’s daughter

Nothing will make McConnell more cooperative with Democrats. He wasn’t before Trump and he won’t be after Trump.

hell he’s already gone on record this week saying he wouldnt even give legislation that hasnt even been written yet a chance

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Old Liberal  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:36:37pm

re: #489 Joe Bacon 🌹

Or Mr Big Jock on Steroids beats up teacher, takes the gun, kills teacher and goes on a rampage?

They’ll have a “just so” answer for every event just like they do now. Americans learn the hard way if they learn at all.

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makeitstop  Apr 23, 2019 • 1:38:34pm

re: #485 Hecuba’s daughter

They aren’t going to respond to someone they never heard of. He’s never held public office and he doesn’t appear to be a Republican with a real SM platform, just a law professor at a right wing university.

Well, I guess all is lost, then.

/

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Patricia Kayden  Apr 23, 2019 • 2:25:06pm

re: #455 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

AOC simply looks like someone a Trump supporter would call 911 over.

So do President Obama, Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, Stacey Abrams, etc., etc., etc.

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Eventual Carrion  Apr 23, 2019 • 3:53:18pm

re: #100 Joe Bacon 🌹

Best car Dad ever had was a 1967 Chrysler Newport that ran flawless for 5 years. Then Dad got a 1973 model and it was the ultimate lemon, endlessly breaking down. Swore Dad off of Chryslers forever and he switched to Fords.

As for me, I can’t afford the insane auto insurance rates here in Los Angeles so I use the Metro system.

I had a ‘68 Newport. Big boat. Big 383 engine, 8 miles to the gallon ;-). Drove it from Mississippi back up to Pennsylvania in 1980. I didn’t need to stop in any motels, the back seat was a twin bed in itself.


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