Lara Trump: Accepting Refugees Was “One of the Worst Things That Ever Happened to Germany”

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I’m just going to put this here, because it’s such a perfect look into the depraved mindset of this family of criminals and racists, as Lara Trump goes on Fox Business to do some good old fear-mongering about immigrants and reveals once again that Trumps have a problem understanding what’s so bad about Nazis.

It’s not only bigoted, it’s a shockingly ignorant comment. But then, do we expect anything else from this gang?

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:55:33pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:57:13pm

Except that thing from 1933-1945 you know.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:57:20pm
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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:58:32pm

THREAD:

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:59:12pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

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It’s why I am not moving a dime on immigration with them. They literally think immigration and refugees are worse than Nazis.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 12:59:22pm

re: #1 The Vicious Babushka

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:00:55pm

re: #6 NO SMOCKING GUN!

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Seriously. I’ve been to Germany twice since Merkel became Chancellor. Felt perfectly safe there and the Germans I’ve met have seemed happy. Lara is a bigoted hack.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:01:26pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

It’s why I am not moving a dime on immigration with them. They literally think immigration and refugees are worse than Nazis.

Because they are nazis.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:02:54pm

re: #8 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Because they are nazis.

They are. It’s why I don’t like Biden’s make nice with them bs.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:04:19pm

So how hard will the establishment media try to help Trump by nit-picking every single detail of Biden’s record over the last five decades while gliding over Trump’s glaring deficiencies? Its going to be 2016 all over again.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:05:43pm

re: #9 HappyWarrior

They are. It’s why I don’t like Biden’s make nice with them bs.

Well moderate voters like bipartisan happy talk. We know the GOP will go right back into total obstruction mode under the next Democratic Administration; I hope Biden knows that as well.

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lawhawk  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:05:59pm

Yeah, we totally did NAZI that coming….

Actually, we did see it coming. Trump’s been value signaling for years, and his entire family is steeped in this madness.

The entire GOP is steeped in this madness.

It’s why social media platforms can’t or wont go after white supremacists with the same vigor they go after AQ or IS - because the rhetoric from GOPers is indistinguishable from white supremacists, goddamned Nazis, KKKers, and the bigot brigade.

If they did, they’d likely have to shut down a shit-ton of GOP bigwig accounts, including Trump, Steve King, and others who demonize minorities, immigrants, and push a white nationalist agenda.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:06:19pm

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So how hard will the establishment media try to help Trump by nit-picking every single detail of Biden’s record over the last five decades while gliding over Trump’s glaring deficiencies? Its going to be 2016 all over again.

We’ll hear about how gaffe filled Biden is and want us to ignore the guy who repeatedly makes gaffes as President.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:06:34pm

re: #11 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Well moderate voters like bipartisan happy talk. We know the GOP will go right back into total obstruction mode under the next Democratic Administration; I hope Biden knows that as well.

I hope so too.

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:06:49pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:07:22pm

The problem is mainstream conservative ideology and white supremacy and Nazism have gotten closer and closer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:08:10pm

re: #15 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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He’s such a hack. If Jeb was President, he’d accept everything Jeb did.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:10:52pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

The problem is mainstream conservative ideology and white supremacy and Nazism have gotten closer and closer.

The GOP is not a conservative party; its a fascist party.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:11:20pm

re: #18 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP is not a conservative party; its a fascist party.

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Right.

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William Lewis  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:11:40pm

CL’d but it was just a whine about a cruddy day so I’ll skip the repost and just hope ya all had a better day.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:11:53pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:12:32pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Boggles the mind.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:12:50pm

It’s amazing how interchangeable these assholes are. At first I missed the “Lara” part and just read the headline as: “Trump: Accepting Refugees Was “One of the Worst Things That Ever Happened to Germany”

And then I realized, it pretty much fits no matter what first name you’d put in there.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:13:46pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

If Hasson ends up killing somebody that court is going to look terrible.

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EPR-radar  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:14:05pm

re: #12 lawhawk

Twitter’s algorithms can’t distinguish white supremacists from Republicans because white supremacists are an important part of the GOP ‘big tent’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:15:02pm

re: #25 EPR-radar

Twitter’s algorithms can’t distinguish white supremacists from Republicans because white supremacists are an important part of the GOP ‘big tent’.

You mean the white tent with the pointy top?

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:15:17pm

re: #23 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s amazing how interchangeable these assholes are. At first I missed the “Lara” part and just read the headline as: “Trump: Accepting Refugees Was “One of the Worst Things That Ever Happened to Germany”

And then I realized, it pretty much fits no matter what first name you’d put in there.

Not a single person in that family in public life who isn’t repulsively bigoted.

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Teukka  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:16:09pm

Swedish wildfire saga, cont’d:

A number of forest fires across the country, and weather is problematic. Several experts say the fire season has begun unusually early. If you are in Sweden, keep tabs on MSB’s page at krisinformation.se as well as local FD for information on fire bans.

And as if that isn’t enough, aquifers are at problematically low levels in Southern and Central Sweden, and MSB is telling people to prepare mentally for restrictions on water use.

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EPR-radar  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:16:27pm

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Not a single person in that family in public life who isn’t repulsively bigoted.

The clods of shit didn’t end up far from the exploding cesspit.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:19:44pm

re: #29 EPR-radar

The clods of shit didn’t end up far from the exploding cesspit.

Oh for sure. Awful family all around.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:20:36pm

Downfall? That’s not a downfall. This is a German downfall:

28 May 1944 EUROPEAN THEATER OF OPERATIONS (ETO)

STRATEGIC OPERATIONS (Eighth Air Force): Mission 376: 1,341 bombers and 697
fighters are dispatched to hit oil targets in Germany; 32 bombers and 9
fighters are lost; they claim 64-30-31 Luftwaffe aircraft:
1. 610 B-17s are dispatched against an oil targets at Ruhland/Schwarz-Heide
(38 bomb) and aircraft factory at Dessau (12 bomb); secondary targets are
aviation factories at Zwickau (15 bomb) and Leipzig (28 bomb); 14 bomber hit
Bohlen, 15 hit Meissen, 19 hit Brandis/Polenz Wusten-Sachsen Airfield, 12 hit
Frankfurt marshalling yard, 32 hit Ubigau, 20 hit Dessau, 4 hit Frankfurt, 5
hit Camburg and 22 hit targets of opportunity; they claim 20-21-18 Luftwaffe
aircraft; 17 B-17s are lost, 1 is damaged beyond repair and 107 damaged; 3
airmen are KIA, 15 WIA and 155 MIA.
2. 255 B-17s are dispatched to an oil dump at Konigsburg/Magdeburg (105
bomb) and oil industry at Magdeburg/Rothensee (55 bomb); 17 hit Dessau and 6
bomb the marshalling yard at Gera; they claim 16-8-6 Luftwaffe aircraft; 9
B-17s are lost and 64 damaged; 3 airmen are KIA, 2 WIA and 90 MIA.
3. 106 B-24s are dispatched to Lutzkendorf/Halle (66 bomb); 10 hit Wetzlar
and 6 hit a target of opportunity; 3 B-24s are lost and 16 damaged; 1 airman
is WIA and 3 MIA.
4. 311 B-24s are dispatched to oil targets at Merseburg/Leuna (63 bomb) and
Zeitz-Troglitz (187 bomb); 10 hit Limburg, 8 hit Memmingen, 9 hit Saalfeld
and 10 hit targets of opportunity; they claim 1-0-0 Luftwaffe aircraft; 3
B-24s are lost and 23 damaged; 1 airman is KIA, 1 WIA and 26 MIA.
5. 58 of 59 B-17s hit Cologne/Eifeltor marshalling yard without loss; glide
bombs are used but the weapon proves unsuccessful.
Escort is provided by 182 P-38s, 208 P-47s and 307 P-51s; no P-38s are lost;
P-47s claim 2-0-1 Luftwaffe aircraft in the air and 0-0-1 on the ground with
the loss of 4 P-47s (pilots are MIA), 2 damaged beyond repair and 3 damaged;
P-51s claim 25-1-5 Luftwaffe aircraft with the loss of 5 (pilots are MIA), 1
damaged beyond repair and 8 damaged. 527 Ninth Air Force fighters also fly
escort and claim 33-0-10 Luftwaffe aircraft in the air and 5-0-7 on the
ground for the loss of 5 fighters.

paul.rutgers.edu

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BroncD  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:20:46pm

“one of the worst things that ever happened to Germany.”

Oh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:21:06pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:22:24pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Of course.

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DangerMan  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:22:51pm

re: #13 HappyWarrior

We’ll hear about how gaffe filled Biden is and want us to ignore the guy who repeatedly makes gaffes as President.

you know calling trumps behavior “gaffes’ is too kind

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:23:24pm

re: #35 Man; Anger; DangerMan

you know calling trumps behavior “gaffes’ is too kind

Way too kind of me yes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:23:28pm

poor pup!

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ipsos  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:25:06pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD:

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Can a federal court tell a state how to draw its own state legislative boundaries? Or does this only affect Congressional redistricting (which, dayenu and all that…)

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Teukka  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:26:05pm

re: #28 Teukka

Swedish wildfire saga, cont’d:

A number of forest fires across the country, and weather is problematic. Several experts say the fire season has begun unusually early. If you are in Sweden, keep tabs on MSB’s page at krisinformation.se as well as local FD for information on fire bans.

And as if that isn’t enough, aquifers are at problematically low levels in Southern and Central Sweden, and MSB is telling people to prepare mentally for restrictions on water use.

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So you get a idea, these are SGU’s maps for April. Left is small acquifers, right is large aquifers, scale is blue, light blue, green, yellow, red for above, at, and below normal groundwater levels. The data is preliminary and may change due to weather, but it ain’t looking pretty:

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:33:39pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:35:14pm

re: #38 ipsos

Can a federal court tell a state how to draw its own state legislative boundaries? Or does this only affect Congressional redistricting (which, dayenu and all that…)

If the state violates the US Constitution, yes the court can.

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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:39:59pm
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EPR-radar  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:42:33pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

Watch whiteness work, part 10,001. If this perp kills someone while out on bail, the judge should be charged as an accessory to murder.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:44:09pm
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Charles Johnson  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:44:26pm
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allegro  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:46:11pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

Watch whiteness work, part 10,001. If this perp kills someone while out on bail, the judge should be charged as an accessory to murder.

Is it the judge’s choice if there is no charge upon which s/he can hold him? Is it the prosecutor’s failure?

I dunno. Asking legal minds here.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:46:54pm
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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:48:37pm
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:49:02pm

re: #43 EPR-radar

Watch whiteness work, part 10,001. If this perp kills someone while out on bail, the judge should be charged as an accessory to murder.

Won’t happen, unless he took a bribe or something.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:50:46pm

re: #46 allegro

Is it the judge’s choice if there is no charge upon which s/he can hold him? Is it the prosecutor’s failure?

I dunno. Asking legal minds here.

He is charged. The judge ought to take into consideration that the guy is an extreme danger to others when setting bail.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:51:24pm
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Unshaken Defiance  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:54:44pm

re: #28 Teukka

Speaking as a guy from a wildfire state, good luck best wishes.

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steve_davis  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:54:52pm

re: #21 Backwoods_Sleuth

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will he be wearing an ankle bracelet? if so, not a big deal.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:56:19pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:58:12pm

waiting for the moron to take credit for this

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:58:37pm

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Barr is complicit.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 1:59:38pm

I’m kind of tired of everyone acting like the Democrats have to be absolutely perfect to beat Trump. Trump barely beat the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever by the slimmest of margins, and he remains very unpopular. Here is what happened, the share of the electorate who voted third party or independent increase from nearly 2% in 2012 to nearly 6% in 2016. About 3/4 of that 4% came from Democratic voters and the rest from GOP voters. If the Democrats just get those voters back they will win, because Trump has done nothing and will do nothing to win over any new voters outside his base. And that’s before his dirty laundry gets aired out in televised congressional hearings.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:00:22pm

re: #53 steve_davis

will he be wearing an ankle bracelet? if so, not a big deal.

In Kentucky, a guy cut off his ankle bracelet and disappeared to Central America for a few months.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:00:53pm
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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:02:37pm

You guys are all over reacting to Lara. She did say it was “one of the worst things” that ever happened to Germany. She didn’t say it was the worst thing.

So, This could be second or third, or tenth, etc.

What? You don’t think someone could use that little bit of wiggle room to make the claim the Democrats/progressives/liberals are all over reacting?

It is a Trump on Fox News and we are talking about Fox News watchers that just happen to be totally accepting of that kind of excuse for anything Trump does.

And it would not surprise me one bit if that single word “one” was added for just that reason. We are talking about less-than-honest people.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:03:50pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

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I saw someone suggest Warren G’s and nothing can top that.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:06:35pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:07:13pm

re: #58 NO SMOCKING GUN!

In Kentucky, a guy cut off his ankle bracelet and disappeared to Central America for a few months.

yep…the Social Securities disabilities lawyer, Eric Conn
They caught him.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:09:00pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

yep…the Social Securities disabilities lawyer, Eric Conn
They caught him.

I hope he enjoyed his Caribbean vacation, because he’s spending the rest of his life in Club Fed. A friend of mine since law school was his attorney.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:11:12pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:12:31pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:14:50pm
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allegro  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:15:01pm

Good

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:17:42pm

re: #55 Backwoods_Sleuth

I thought bowling green was massacre central?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:18:33pm

re: #69 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I thought bowling green was massacre central?

that’s why we need more Corvettes.

and Vin Diesel & friends.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:18:57pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

Sorry, had to vote Warren’s warren.

Added - and, I’m a huge Warren Zevon fan.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:19:48pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:20:40pm

re: #57 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m kind of tired of everyone acting like the Democrats have to be absolutely perfect to beat Trump. Trump barely beat the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever by the slimmest of margins, and he remains very unpopular. Here is what happened, the share of the electorate who voted third party or independent increase from nearly 2% in 2012 to nearly 6% in 2016. About 3/4 of that 4% came from Democratic voters and the rest from GOP voters. If the Democrats just get those voters back they will win, because Trump has done nothing and will do nothing to win over any new voters outside his base. And that’s before his dirty laundry gets aired out in televised congressional hearings.

Ding

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:22:07pm
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SteelPH  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:22:57pm

re: #74 HappyWarrior

He’s not wrong.

I eagerly await Steve King openly wearing a swastika arm band at this point.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:23:51pm
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:24:13pm

re: #75 SteelPH

I eagerly await Steve King openly wearing a swastika arm band at this point.

And, it won’t turn any of his or the orange shit-goblin’s base against him…

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SteelPH  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:25:50pm

re: #77 Colère Tueur de Lapin

And, it won’t turn any of his or the orange shit-goblin’s base against him…

At this point, the only way they could possibly turn their base off of them is to be decent human beings.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:27:01pm

re: #75 SteelPH

I eagerly await Steve King openly wearing a swastika arm band at this point.

Just like Jesus.//

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:28:10pm

THOSE EARS!!!

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William Lewis  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:28:31pm

Well, talked to the bike shop (the most expensive in town but I trust their people more) and explained that I needed a “just get it working don’t worry about a tune up” kind of thing. Replaced the tube, replaced the chain front shifter works fine, rear one not so much. It’s pretty flat around here - I’ll put the sucker in a middle gear and live with it.

$60.15. Can’t really afford it but can’t not afford it even more. Shrug. Easier to bike a mile or three with a backpack full of groceries than it is to walk it. Maybe I’ll lose a pound or two this summer.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:28:47pm

re: #75 SteelPH

I eagerly await Steve King openly wearing a swastika arm band at this point.

You know he probably does wear one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:30:21pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:31:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:34:14pm
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retired cynic  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:35:21pm

re: #4 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD:
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Steve Wolf in re. supposed Democratic gerrymander in Illinois:
No it is not. The maps actually favor Republicans; Bruce Rauner won 58% of state House districts with 50% of the vote. It’s just a blue state where Dems normally win more votes. Their gerrymander just cancels out the impact of segregation in Chicago

I was really pleasantly surprised to see this. Had always felt embarrassed that Illinois must have a Democratic gerrymander, and feel much better!

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plansbandc  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:35:29pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

I imagine he puts on his full SS uniform and stares at himself in the mirror, dreaming of the 4th Reich.

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sagehen  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:35:44pm

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

If When Hasson ends up killing somebody that court is going to isn’t going to care that they look terrible.

They’ll have an excuse handy…

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:37:29pm

re: #33 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There has to be more to the story. I have more guns and ammo in storage than this guy. They also charged him with illegal possession of Tramadol, which is relatively low grade as far as opioids go. They threw that on so they could get him for illegal possession of firearms by an unlawful user or addict of narcotics. Without that they’d only have him for the National Firearms Act violation of illegal possession of unregistered & unserialized silencers.

So my guess is that they couldn’t get him on anything else. If he never communicated his plans then they can’t charge with making terroristic threats. If he didn’t involve anybody else then RICO is out the window. And if all he did was research where people lived then my guess is the federal prosecutors didn’t view that as an overt enough act for attempted murder or stalking.

It’s a fucked up situation but it really does look like they threw the book at him as much as they could.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:38:20pm

re: #88 sagehen

They’ll have an excuse handy…

…it’s Obama’s fault…

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The Vicious Babushka  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:41:06pm

OH FUUUUCK

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KGxvi  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:41:32pm

re: #86 retired cynic

I was really pleasantly surprised to see this. Had always felt embarrassed that Illinois must have a Democratic gerrymander, and feel much better!

Gerrymandering can take many forms. In California we had a bipartisan gerrymander where the incumbent state legislators basically created an incumbent protection scheme in the state legislature and the Congress. Republicans were guaranteed just enough seats to prevent Democrats from having super majorities in either state legislative house and between the three chambers, not one seat changed parties in a decade (might have also happened with the state board of equalization). It’s one of the reasons that we have a non-partisan committee redraw lines now.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:41:46pm

re: #59 gocart mozart

What should supporters of Elizabeth Warren be referred to as?

“Elizabethans”. Show some class.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:46:39pm

re: #87 plansbandc

I imagine he puts on his full SS uniform and stares at himself in the mirror, dreaming of the 4th Reich.

Sounds right. Matt Gaetz has one as well I bet.

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darthstar  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:47:34pm

Redacted

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Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:49:44pm

Emoluments all the way down.

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retired cynic  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:49:59pm

re: #57 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m kind of tired of everyone acting like the Democrats have to be absolutely perfect to beat Trump. Trump barely beat the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever by the slimmest of margins, and he remains very unpopular. Here is what happened, the share of the electorate who voted third party or independent increase from nearly 2% in 2012 to nearly 6% in 2016. About 3/4 of that 4% came from Democratic voters and the rest from GOP voters. If the Democrats just get those voters back they will win, because Trump has done nothing and will do nothing to win over any new voters outside his base. And that’s before his dirty laundry gets aired out in televised congressional hearings.

NO NO NO. Hillary was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever, and she WON the popular vote with the second largest vote total EVER, and I am so tired of having to write this. She was my candidate from the time she was first lady of Arkansas, and it was a total gut punch to have Comey-Russia-Wikileaks-complicit media beat her by a handful of votes in the Electoral College.

But as tired as I am of having to write this, I will continue to object, every time you try to do this end run around the truth.

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goddamnedfrank  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:53:19pm

re: #89 goddamnedfrank

P.S. the good news about the Hasson case is that the NFA violations are incredibly fucking serious. Because even if they technically don’t justify holding without bail they carry a sentencing range of up to 10 years in prison. Possessing unmarked silencers seems like it would be really hard to defend against, especially if his fingerprints are on them, and after conviction you can be fairly certain that the judge will take all of his genocidal ideation into account when calculating the time he gets.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Apr 25, 2019 • 2:58:42pm

November 20, 1942

-26th Soviet Armoured Corps recaptures Perelazovski
-British 8th Army recaptures Benghazi, Libya
-NHL abolishes regular season OT until WW II is over
-Joseph Robinette Biden born in Scranton, Pennsylvania

BENGHAZI!?

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Stanley Sea  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:04:29pm

re: #80 Backwoods_Sleuth

THOSE EARS!!!

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Rabbit hole to their YouTube channel. Check the birthday cake one.

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TedStriker  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:09:10pm

re: #93 Decatur Deb

“Elizabethans”. Show some class.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:10:26pm

re: #101 TedStriker

Make America The New World again.

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wrenchwench  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:12:33pm

Las Cruces City Council Votes To Spend Up To $500,000 For Care Of Asylum Seekers

[…]

City councilor Gabe Vasquez says the federal government is failing in its responsibility to care for those seeking asylum and the city should keep close track of expenses should reimbursement eventually be possible.

Assistant City Manager David Dollahon told the council the city has already agreed to a 60-day lease of a former Armory building on Brown Road at a cost of about $12,000 a month, not including costs to update and maintain the facility.

Dollahon also told the council the federal government has not provided any promises about the number of asylum seekers that will continue to be dropped off in the city.

[…]

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:13:54pm

re: #100 Stanley Sea

Rabbit hole to their YouTube channel. Check the birthday cake one.

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That is one unique doggy. It appears there is a ton of personality involved, the beauty of a mix. Oh, those ears.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:15:17pm
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Dave In Austin  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:17:20pm

Apparently we pay ransom now?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:22:10pm

re: #97 retired cynic

NO NO NO. Hillary was not, by any stretch of the imagination, the most unpopular Democratic nominee ever, and she WON the popular vote with the second largest vote total EVER, and I am so tired of having to write this. She was my candidate from the time she was first lady of Arkansas, and it was a total gut punch to have Comey-Russia-Wikileaks-complicit media beat her by a handful of votes in the Electoral College.

But as tired as I am of having to write this, I will continue to object, every time you try to do this end run around the truth.

I’m not saying she deserved to be, but its my understanding from the polling that between all the lies the GOP, Fox News and the Russians told combined with Comey’s unprecedented attacks on her after he found she committed no crime and then announcing he was investigating her again days before the election, and the establishment media’s obsession with her emails, that her disapproval rating was the highest of any Democratic nominee in the modern polling era. If that’s incorrect, I apologize.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:27:25pm

re: #107 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I’m not saying she deserved to be, but its my understanding from the polling that between all the lies the GOP, Fox News and the Russians told combined with Comey’s unprecedented attacks on her after he found she committed no crime and then announcing he was investigating her again days before the election, and the establishment media’s obsession with her emails, that her disapproval rating was the highest of any Democratic nominee in the modern polling era. If that’s incorrect, I apologize.

If you had referenced those polling numbers it would have been clearer that you were not making the statement.

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MsJ  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:35:43pm

re: #10 NO SMOCKING GUN!

So how hard will the establishment media try to help Trump by nit-picking every single detail of Biden’s record over the last five decades while gliding over Trump’s glaring deficiencies? Its going to be 2016 all over again.

On NBC nightly news they’re doing that right now.

Andrea Mitchell is just so fucking good at it. 🤢🤢🤢🤮

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:37:42pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:40:27pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

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Yeah the American left is totally ignoring this Mike. And yet when Democratic politicians talk about doing something about terrorism, your kind is there to say they’re just as bad as the Republicans. Fuck you dude. You’re nothing but a trolling loser who works for a bunch of other hacks because no respectable news outlet would hire such a doucebag.

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Chrysicat  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:40:31pm

With regard to the title post, does she include accepting the victims of the population transfer at the end of WWII, or is she solely referring to Muslims fleeing wars since 1993?

And on another note:

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piratedan  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:41:13pm

re: #109 MsJ

well look at who she sleeps with every night, if she’s willing to sleep with that creepy fuck, how could she not be a GOP sympathizer?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:41:29pm

re: #110 gocart mozart

So Michael Tracey is just another one of the Boys In The Hood…

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:42:33pm

re: #112 Chrysicat

With regard to the title post, does she include accepting the victims of the population transfer at the end of WWII, or is she solely referring to Muslims fleeing wars since 1993?

And on another note:

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No doubt she’s referring to Muslims and I have to say this. I’m a descendant of the white working class. My grandfather whom I’m named after was a bricklayer and his father and father in law were coal miners, I’ve had enough of fetishizing the white working class. They left the Democratic Party because they were butthurt that we started caring about immigrants and PoC.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:43:39pm

re: #114 Joe Bacon 🌹

So Michael Tracey is just another one of the Boys In The Hood…

I really wish him, Cenk, and the other bros would stop saying they’re progressive. They’re just assholes who want the benefits of left wing economic policy but could care less about other people.

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piratedan  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:45:00pm

re: #114 Joe Bacon 🌹

maybe that should be Boys With The Hood

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:45:18pm

If you’re “white working class” and you want to join the Dem coalition fine but do not expect that we will abandon our support of racial minorities, sexual minorities, immigrants, and women just to make you happy. If you realize as HRC said “Better together” then you’re good but if you want us to screw over people who want the same things you supposedly want for your family, then please fucking vote for Trump and stay the hell out of our party.

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Chrysicat  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:47:18pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

If you’re “white working class” and you want to join the Dem coalition fine but do not expect that we will abandon our support of racial minorities, sexual minorities, immigrants, and women just to make you happy. If you realize as HRC said “Better together” then you’re good but if you want us to screw over people who want the same things you supposedly want for your family, then please fucking vote for Trump and stay the hell out of our party.

Oh, I’m totally with you. If I had that Tweet back, or an edit button, I’d have noted that most of that WWC actually seems to prefer that there’s a defined class below their own. Which is an extra reason not to go for their votes, because you’ll lose it if they get ‘demoted to equality’.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:48:34pm

re: #119 Chrysicat

Oh, I’m totally with you. If I had that Tweet back, or an edit button, I’d have noted that most of that WWC actually seems to prefer that there’s a defined class below their own. Which is an extra reason not to go for their votes, because you’ll lose it if they get ‘demoted to equality’.

Oh that wasn’t directed at you. That’s more directed at the three B’s: Biden, Bernie, and Buttelig. And frankly I like Biden and Pete more than I do Bernie but both of them have this blind spot at attempting to absolve the sins of the whites who voted for Trump.

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piratedan  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:48:38pm

more people on the streets of Nashville for the NFL Draft than were in DC for the Trump inaugural

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SteelPH  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:48:45pm

re: #119 Chrysicat

Oh, I’m totally with you. If I had that Tweet back, or an edit button, I’d have noted that most of that WWC actually seems to prefer that there’s a defined class below their own. Which is an extra reason not to go for their votes, because you’ll lose it if they get ‘demoted to equality’.

The fact that they’d consider equality to be demotion speaks volumes.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:49:16pm

re: #117 piratedan

maybe that should be Boys With The Hood

I like Joe’s take, because when you wear a hood you are in the hood. Then add that urban slant to it and it’s a winner.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:51:01pm

re: #122 SteelPH

The fact that they’d consider equality to be demotion speaks volumes.

Unfortunately the right’s exploited that feeling ever since Civil Rights became an issue. And for the life of me I don’t get why.

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ObserverArt  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:56:33pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

If you’re “white working class” and you want to join the Dem coalition fine but do not expect that we will abandon our support of racial minorities, sexual minorities, immigrants, and women just to make you happy. If you realize as HRC said “Better together” then you’re good but if you want us to screw over people who want the same things you supposedly want for your family, then please fucking vote for Trump and stay the hell out of our party.

Why the hell can’t we just say we are for all people. Because that is what the “we the people” is all about. They didn’t name a race, a skin tone, a religion.

And if you aren’t for all people then you are the problem.

I always go with the old phrase: a rising tide lifts all boats.

And I expand that to mean economically and socially. Everything. Everybody. When the people do well the country does well.

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Chrysicat  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:56:43pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Oh that wasn’t directed at you. That’s more directed at the three B’s: Biden, Bernie, and Buttelig. And frankly I like Biden and Pete more than I do Bernie but both of them have this blind spot at attempting to absolve the sins of the whites who voted for Trump.

I also like Biden and Pete a whole lot more than Bernie. I can’t get past the fact that Putin is fine-at-worst, truly-happy-at-best with him.

The idea is to elect someone who won’t allow Russia to annex Poland and make puppets of France and Germany before the EU Armed Forces are properly set up, after all, and I think Bernie would be just as willing as Trump to treat that as the proper way of the world.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:58:00pm
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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:58:06pm

re: #125 ObserverArt

Why the hell can’t we just say we are for all people. Because that is what the “we the people” is all about. They didn’t name a race, a skin tone, a religion.

And if you aren’t for all people then you are the problem.

I always go with the old phrase: a rising tide lifts all boats.

And I expand that to mean economically and socially. Everything. Everybody. When the people do well the country does well.

I have no idea.

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Decatur Deb  Apr 25, 2019 • 3:59:55pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately the right’s exploited that feeling ever since Civil Rights became an issue. And for the life of me I don’t get why.

Because it works. It always works, like all the other wedge issues used to shatter the Left coalition. If that divisiveness is still in the forefront 18 months from now, all of our special interests can face the second Trump reich alone. Unite or die.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:00:31pm

re: #126 Chrysicat

I also like Biden and Pete a whole lot more than Bernie. I can’t get past the fact that Putin is fine-at-worst, truly-happy-at-best with him.

The idea is to elect someone who won’t allow Russia to annex Poland and make puppets of France and Germany before the EU Armed Forces are properly set up, after all, and I think Bernie would be just as willing as Trump to treat that as the proper way of the world.

Yeah I hear ya. I don’t see Bernie building relationships with the leaders of the EU like Merkel and Macron because they’re not on the same page economically. Now Warren is someone I think while she is to their left would work with them. You definitely underscore why I don’t feel comfortable with Bernie domestically or internationally. I want someone who I know will have our allies back because I appreciate that our allies have had our back despite the lies Trump says.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:02:23pm

re: #129 Decatur Deb

Because it works. It always works, like all the other wedge issues used to shatter the Left coalition. If that divisiveness is still in the forefront 18 months from now, all of our special interests can face the second Trump reich alone. Unite or die.

I’m saying I don’t get why a white working class guy gets bothered by a Democrat like HRC saying that immigrant family has the same right to dream the American dream as you. Yes we need to unite but I have no desire to welcome into our coalition people who have no desire to welcome people who are part of our coalition whether formally or informaly as fellow Americans. We can appeal to working class interests without throwing allies under the bus and the left wing econ uber alles types don’t acknowledge that.

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gocart mozart  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:03:28pm
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ThomasLite  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:04:09pm

re: #126 Chrysicat

I also like Biden and Pete a whole lot more than Bernie. I can’t get past the fact that Putin is fine-at-worst, truly-happy-at-best with him.

The idea is to elect someone who won’t allow Russia to annex Poland and make puppets of France and Germany before the EU Armed Forces are properly set up, after all, and I think Bernie would be just as willing as Trump to treat that as the proper way of the world.

Also, too: Warren. Not saying she’d consider it ‘the proper way of the world’ (honestly, I loathe Bernie and I wouldn’t go quite that far about him) but from what little I’ve heard from her on foreign policy it would seem she’s the sort of hopelessly naive non-interventionist lefty who would not actually be willing to employ a sufficiently broad spectrum of measures to disincentivise such a course of action.
Obama kind of gave off that kind of a vibe in ‘08, but allegedly came out of the first couple of thorough security briefings sufficiently shaken he markedly changed course.
Of course, he was entirely more of a pragmatist than a dogmatic. Warren? Different story entirely. Not a happy thought for us Europeans, TBH.

(oh and @HappyWarrior, I believe you and I disagreed on Beto a while back - gotta say, I’ve largely come around to your point of view. Oops, I guess)

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:05:01pm

re: #133 ThomasLite

Also, too: Warren. Not saying she’d consider it ‘the proper way of the world’ (honestly, I loathe Bernie and I wouldn’t go quite that far about him) but from what little I’ve heard from her on foreign policy it would seem she’s the sort of hopelessly naive non-interventionist lefty who would not actually be willing to employ a sufficiently broad spectrum of measures to disincentivise such a course of action.
Obama kind of gave off that kind of a vibe in ‘08, but allegedly came out of the first couple of thorough security briefings sufficiently shaken he markedly changed course.
Of course, he was entirely more of a pragmatist than a dogmatic. Warren? Different story entirely. Not a happy thought for us Europeans, TBH.

Nah I always got the impression Obama cared about allies. I think a lot of people mistook his opposition to Iraq as isolationist.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:08:23pm

For reference he was critical of the fact that the eye was taken off the Afghanistan ball.

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ThomasLite  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:09:28pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

Nah I always got the impression Obama cared about allies. I think a lot of people mistook his opposition to Iraq as isolationist.

That really wasn’t what set me off, TBH. I mean, I disagreed with him on that but he was reasonable about it and frankly, that was something that was quite easy to disagree on. Finding a bunch of 10+ year old sources is going to be a bit tricky now but I’m pretty sure he was hinting at a whole lotta US disengagement, globally.
Of course, that might have just been electoral strategy, but given how many on the left complained how Obama turned out more centrist than he seemed to campaign I wasn’t the only one who felt like that (of course, they soured on the guy for the same reasons I came around to him, but isn’t it nice if we can at least agree in some way? )

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ThomasLite  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:12:29pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

For reference he was critical of the fact that the eye was taken off the Afghanistan ball.

Fair enough. On the other hand, can you imagine that seemed a little… opportunistic, at least?
To me that seemed like just a bit of politically expedient hindsight 20/20 (and who can blame him for making some use of that - that’s just politics).

Also, do note that I’m not saying Obama was ever as bad as Warren is/would be - so I don’t think we disagree all that much (on Obama that is, at least).

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:23:50pm

re: #137 ThomasLite

Fair enough. On the other hand, can you imagine that seemed a little… opportunistic, at least?
To me that seemed like just a bit of politically expedient hindsight 20/20 (and who can blame him for making some use of that - that’s just politics).

Also, do note that I’m not saying Obama was ever as bad as Warren is/would be - so I don’t think we disagree all that much (on Obama that is, at least).

I can see that. No knock. I just think most people didn’t realize Obama wasn’t an uber lefty and that was something I noticed earlier then most people.

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ThomasLite  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:32:56pm

re: #138 HappyWarrior

I can see that. No knock. I just think most people didn’t realize Obama wasn’t an uber lefty and that was something I noticed earlier then most people.

Funny thing, I suspect I made the same mistake on o’Rourke. Figured a lot of his more abstract lip service to somewhat more libertarian ideal, where appropriate of course, were just that - lip service. Then a bunch more came out about his background and it seems he’s actually quite genuine on that. Still don’t agree with some of his legislative positions, but damn if he doesn’t seem like the sort of sensibly-liberal type I’d like to see in the white house. So hats off to you on that one, I guess ;)

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TedStriker  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:33:03pm

re: #121 piratedan

more people on the streets of Nashville for the NFL Draft than were in DC for the Trump inaugural

Geez, don’t remind me; I live in Nashville and get to take the long way home to avoid downtown when I get off work in about four hours (and when I go back in)…for the next three days.

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HappyWarrior  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:38:38pm

re: #139 ThomasLite

Funny thing, I suspect I made the same mistake on o’Rourke. Figured a lot of his more abstract lip service to somewhat more libertarian ideal, where appropriate of course, were just that - lip service. Then a bunch more came out about his background and it seems he’s actually quite genuine on that. Still don’t agree with some of his legislative positions, but damn if he doesn’t seem like the sort of sensibly-liberal type I’d like to see in the white house. So hats off to you on that one, I guess ;)

Ha. Yeah. With Obama, I think people just saw the Iraq opposition and made their own narratives from it. Again, no knock because I think a lot of people misunderstood Obama early on. As for Beto, I really like him too. I think he needs some more seasoning possibly but I would love to see him in the WH someday.

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ThomasLite  Apr 25, 2019 • 4:44:12pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Ha. Yeah. With Obama, I think people just saw the Iraq opposition and made their own narratives from it. Again, no knock because I think a lot of people misunderstood Obama early on. As for Beto, I really like him too. I think he needs some more seasoning possibly but I would love to see him in the WH someday.

I would love some more seasoning before he gets there but IMO the entirety of the rest of the Dem field is either even less seasoned (Buttigieg), overly seasoned (Biden), or f***ng terrifyingly wrong for the job (everyone else).

Honestly though, nothing really properly prepares anyone for that terrifying job anyway, and Obama wasn’t exactly a super-seasoned legislator either - he seemed to do fine. Sure, he had somewhat more experience, but I think that can be overcome. And Beto seems like he’d be flexible enough to compensate for his own inexperience by picking some appropriate advisors - and then actually listening to them. I think y’all could do a lot worse. But wide as the field is, it’s kind of terrifyingly thin.


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