Some More News: A Fair and Balanced™©® Look at America’s Broken Electoral System [VIDEO]

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 12:50:35pm

Another Russian bot-net bites the dust:

Much like the RWNJs here, there was a side grift in exploiting the dumbass right-wingers

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 12:51:18pm
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gocart mozart  May 7, 2019 • 12:51:58pm
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 12:53:13pm

What is it about the current crop of Putin/Trump worshippers? They are so, so gullible.

Part of me is willing to just shrug and write them off as “A fool & his money were lucky to get together in the first place.”

It’s the same part of me that is secretly pleased when I hear all the rural rednecks starting to whine about how tariffs are really starting to bite them in the ass, and how all the JERRRBSS! that Trumpie was supposed to deliver them … still don’t seem to have shown up yet.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2019 • 12:55:31pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 12:56:22pm

re: #4 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

What is it about the current crop of Putin/Trump worshippers? They are so, so gullible.

Part of me is willing to just shrug and write them off as “A fool & his money were lucky to get together in the first place.”

It’s the same part of me that is secretly pleased when I hear all the rural rednecks starting to whine about how tariffs are really starting to bite them in the ass, and how all the JERRRBSS! that Trumpie was supposed to deliver them … still don’t seem to have shown up yet.

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I would love for Trump’s base to turn on him.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 12:58:23pm

They voted for Trump. This is what they got.

For the residents of Lordstown and the surrounding area, Barra’s decision promised disaster. A recent study by the Center for Economic Development at Cleveland State University estimated that the elimination of all three shifts at the plant would ultimately cause the loss of nearly 8,000 jobs and more than $8 billion in economic activity in the regional economy. And since the 2008 financial crisis, wages in the area have fallen by 6 percent, even as they have risen nationally by 11 percent. “They’re scraping out what’s already been hollowed out,” Green said. “We need G.M. It’s the last thing standing around here.”

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 1:00:31pm

Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign relied heavily on the promise of restoring those jobs, a message that helped him win Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Significant to his Ohio victory was flipping the Mahoning Valley from blue to red. In the summer of 2017, Trump visited Youngstown, signaling the importance of the region to his re-election prospects. “Don’t move; don’t sell your house,” he said. “We’re going to fill up those factories.”

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:01:59pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

The American woodcok performs a peculiar set of “dances”. This mother has been caught teaching its babies to dance and freeze, as they crossed the road [full video:

singing doo wah ditty ditty dum ditty doo

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 1:02:23pm

They believed Trump’s lies. Now they will never, EVER get a good job again.

They watched Fox news and listened to Rush on the radio. They swallowed the right-wing con, hook, line & sinker.

Now they’re losing their jobs.

Fuck.

Them.

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ipsos  May 7, 2019 • 1:04:25pm

re: #5 gocart mozart

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Wendell Castle was a genius, and we were lucky to have him as part of our community here in western NY until his death last year.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:05:08pm

re: #8 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign relied heavily on making people he was serious with the promise of restoring those jobs, a message that helped him win Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Significant to his Ohio victory was flipping the Mahoning Valley from blue to red. In the summer of 2017, Trump visited Youngstown, signaling the importance of the region to his re-election prospects. “Don’t move; don’t sell your house,” he said. “We’re going to fill up those factories.”

i dont know if this is splitting too fine a hair or not

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:05:11pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:06:36pm

re: #13 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s gonna be a civil war there I’m afraid and Trump-Pence won’t do anything to help the refugees.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 1:07:25pm

Look at the faces in those photos. Yeah, there are some minorities, but mostly these are white, middle-aged conservative Christians who really aren’t all that curious about anything that doesn’t immediately concern them.

Mexican kids being rounded up and kept in concentration camps? Fuck ‘em. That’ll teach their parents.

LGBT being systematically dehumanized and denied full citizen rights? Perverts deserve whatever happens to them.

Black folks being denied the right to vote, gerrymandered into districts to destroy their political power? Ah, everybody does it, and who cares?

Environment being destroyed, America’s heritage sold off to the highest bidder? Creating JERRRBS! That’s a good thing!

I have run out of patience with these people. Now that their own ox is being gored, I expect to see endless stories about how Trump voters are still sticking with their cult leader…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 1:07:27pm

Pence says “estamos conestenos” (sic) to the Venezuelan people. This apparently means “we are with you” in Trumpish.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 1:08:25pm

So are we about to bomb Iran or Venezuela?

I’m so confused.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:09:34pm

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

They are us. Remove the sick bastards that exploit their ignorance, get some decent policy in place, and save their sorry asses.

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Skip Intro  May 7, 2019 • 1:09:43pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

Iran for sure. They’re invading our space.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:10:22pm

it makes me happy to watch a dog happily rolling in the grass

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:10:39pm

I guess the dog is about to wag.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 7, 2019 • 1:11:27pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I would love for Trump’s base to turn on him.

I would love this too. But I don’t expect it to happen.

The pathology of a cult is that the adherents will stick to their fetish object far past the point where it does them actual, physical harm. My relatives are getting crushed by Trump’s tariffs, but that just makes them love him more.

I don’t think we can save these people. I’m not even sure we should try.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2019 • 1:11:40pm

Cleared my cache and now this page works fine.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:13:12pm

jfc

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:13:48pm

re: #23 plansbandc

Cleared my cache and now this page works fine.

I had to do the same

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:14:19pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I would love this too. But I don’t expect it to happen.

The pathology of a cult is that the adherents will stick to their fetish object far past the point where it does them actual, physical harm. My relatives are getting crushed by Trump’s tariffs, but that just makes them love him more.

I don’t think we can save these people. I’m not even sure we should try.

I’m with you. I want to Max our base and get people who didn’t or couldn’t vote last time.

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 1:15:13pm

From downstairs, re: HBO’s “Chernobyl”:

re: #385 Teukka

I totally can see why it has a 15 years age rating here in Northern Europe. This one opened with Legasov’s death. No punches pulled, tho not any hard punches yet, but my gut says they will ramp up the radiological horror per the minute. Nope. Not nerfed.

re: #391 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Watched it last night. The screen writers didn’t pull any punches and the acting is outstanding.

Grade A, isotopically pure nightmare fuel…

I LOVE IT!

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:15:41pm

re: #22 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I would love this too. But I don’t expect it to happen.

The pathology of a cult is that the adherents will stick to their fetish object far past the point where it does them actual, physical harm. My relatives are getting crushed by Trump’s tariffs, but that just makes them love him more.

I don’t think we can save these people. I’m not even sure we should try.

the Peoples Temple cult preferred to literally drink the ‘kool-aid’

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:16:27pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

jfc

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In some states he will have some degree of parental rights.
ncsl.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2019 • 1:17:03pm

re: #7 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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For the residents of Lordstown and the surrounding area, Barra’s decision promised disaster. A recent study by the Center for Economic Development at Cleveland State University estimated that the elimination of all three shifts at the plant would ultimately cause the loss of nearly 8,000 jobs and more than $8 billion in economic activity in the regional economy. And since the 2008 financial crisis, wages in the area have fallen by 6 percent, even as they have risen nationally by 11 percent. “They’re scraping out what’s already been hollowed out,” Green said. “We need G.M. It’s the last thing standing around here.”

When I left Gary, Indiana in the late 70’s, the population was 150K. It is now down to 95K.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:17:50pm

wish I lived closer

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2019 • 1:18:39pm

re: #24 Backwoods_Sleuth

A man raped an 11-year-old and Ohio’s “heartbeat law” requires her to have his baby yet no law provides for the child’s welfare once it’s born.

what was the bit in the previous thread about how some people find poverty good because it forces women to remain with their partners?

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:19:32pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

I’m with you. I want to Max our base and get people who didn’t or couldn’t vote last time.

appx 40% of the eligible US population isnt registered to vote.

the future is in registering new voters, not in trying to change hearts and minds

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2019 • 1:20:28pm

re: #33 DangerMan

appx 40% of the eligible US population isnt registered to vote.

the future is in registering new voters, not in trying to change hearts and minds

registering them and then making sure they get out and vote and ARE ABLE to vote once they get to the polling station

a lot of work

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:21:00pm

re: #33 DangerMan

appx 40% of the eligible US population isnt registered to vote.

the future is in registering new voters, not in trying to change hearts and minds

Exactly. Go after new citizens, people who have turned 18 since 2016, etc.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:21:18pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

registering them and then making sure they get out and vote and ARE ABLE to vote once they get to the polling station

a lot of work

Someone’s gotta do it.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:21:26pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

In some states he will have some degree of parental rights.
ncsl.org

its despicable

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:21:42pm

re: #34 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

registering them and then making sure they get out and vote and ARE ABLE to vote once they get to the polling station

a lot of work

Yup, ‘tis.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:22:16pm

I’m going door to door this weekend for a local campaign. No rest here in Virginia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2019 • 1:23:48pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

In some states he will have some degree of parental rights.
ncsl.org

so being a rapist does not disqualify him from paternity rights?

this shows a sickening disregard for women.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:23:53pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I’m going door to door this weekend for a local campaign. No rest here in Virginia.

i do Postcards To Voters

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:24:09pm

re: #28 DangerMan

the Peoples Temple cult preferred to literally drink the ‘kool-aid’

It’s frustrating. I think they really care more about “pissing off the libs” than actual policy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:24:27pm

Rachel has a thread:

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:24:48pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so being a rapist does not disqualify him from paternity rights?

it’s ghoulish

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:25:06pm

re: #41 DangerMan

i do Postcards To Voters

Way cool. I do try to let people know that I’m a local and not someone just doing this for my resume.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 7, 2019 • 1:25:27pm

re: #44 DangerMan

it’s ghoulish

like charging the bartender for serving a man who goes and kills his family with his arsenal of legal firearms

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:25:41pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so being a rapist does not disqualify him from paternity rights?

Way I look at it, the second you rape someone, you lose any claim of paternity or paternal rights.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:26:32pm

re: #40 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

so being a rapist does not disqualify him from paternity rights?

50 States, 50 rules. The article is fairly fresh and source is responsible.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:27:51pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

It’s frustrating. I think they really care more about “pissing off the libs” than actual policy.

while i think this is the right thing to do:
re: #18 Decatur Deb

They are us. Remove the sick bastards that exploit their ignorance, get some decent policy in place, and save their sorry asses.

in a sense they dont want to be ‘saved’ or ‘helped’

somehow they seem to want to feel vindication, or righteousness or….something.. i dont know what, that’s totally against their own self interest, and yet they wont see it anohter way

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plansbandc  May 7, 2019 • 1:28:42pm

Seven states, including mine, have no laws to prevent a rapist from claiming parental rights.

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 1:29:06pm

re: #27 Teukka

From downstairs, re: HBO’s “Chernobyl”:

Grade A, isotopically pure nightmare fuel…

I LOVE IT!

And the obligatory poster :)

Grade A isotopically pure nightmare fuel
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:29:20pm

re: #50 plansbandc

Seven states, including mine, have no laws to prevent a rapist from claiming parental rights.

Seven too many.

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plansbandc  May 7, 2019 • 1:29:52pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

It’s absolutely revolting.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:30:43pm

re: #49 DangerMan

while i think this is the right thing to do:

in a sense they dont want to be ‘saved’ or ‘helped’

somehow they seem to want to feel vindication, or righteousness or….something.. i dont know what, that’s totally against their own self interest, and yet they wont see it anohter way

If we don’t get a grasp on civic education and put out some decent progressive art, the next generation will be more benighted. Grapes of Wrath and To Kill a Mockingbird are only going to take us so far.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:30:56pm

re: #49 DangerMan

while i think this is the right thing to do:

in a sense they dont want to be ‘saved’ or ‘helped’

somehow they seem to want to feel vindication, or righteousness or….something.. i dont know what, that’s totally against their own self interest, and yet they wont see it anohter way

I just don’t really have much interest in trying to get the votes of people who look at my niece and sister in law and see foreign invaders. I’m not saying we refuse to help them. I’m saying that we shouldn’t focus on their vote. IF they get over their butthurt over LGBT, women, etc rights, then fine but if they’re going to keep on falling for Trump and the right’s white resentment bullshti, I have no desire to get their vote.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:32:16pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

If we don’t get a grasp in civic education and put out some decent progressive art, the next generation will be more benighted. Grapes of Wrath and To Kill a Mockingbird are only going to take us so far.

Okay, here’s the problem. They have access to the same internet we do. They goddamn choose to stay in this cocoon of a homogeneous culture. No one opposes helping them out. But they need to get the hell over their prejudices to the people who make up our party’s base and they do have that.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:34:12pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Okay, here’s the problem. They have access to the same internet we do. They goddamn choose to stay in this cocoon of a homogeneous culture. No one opposes helping them out. But they need to get the hell over their prejudices to the people who make up our party’s base and they do have that.

Ya gotta make’m wanna. It’s a pipe dream to think they’re going away spontaneously any time soon.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:34:32pm

If you’re voting for Trump because you don’t like HRC telling you the hardass truth about the decline of the coal mines and steel mills and instead buy the word of a conman like Trump, I’m sorry but I ain’t feeling sympathetic. We promised them plenty. And frankly whenever working class voters are talked about, what gets ignored is that we continue to get the support of working class minorities, it’s working class whites that gave the liberal coalition the big middle finger when LBJ and later Carter, Clinton, Obama, and others chose ot make liberalism a more inclusive philosophy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 1:35:14pm

re: #20 DangerMan

it makes me happy to watch a dog happily rolling in the grass

Yesterday I was in the backyard playing with my two year old Goddaughter. After bouncing around on the trampoline, we got off and she ran back towards the house.

As I was watching her run, I realized that before long she wouldn’t be this small anymore and I’d be at her graduation, wedding, baby shower, etc. still fondly remembering how carefree she looked running across the grass when she was two years old.

I really can’t put into words how much joy this girl brings me. She’s one of the best things (along with my wife) that I’ve got going right now.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:35:43pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Ya gotta make’m wanna. It’s a pipe dream to think they’re going away spontaneously any time soon.

I don’t think they’re going away at all. That’s why I want to get people who are either voting for the first time because of naturalization, turning 18, or have been uninterested before. I will not break political bread with people who see my family as foreign invaders DD. I refuse to do that.

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Romantic Heretic  May 7, 2019 • 1:36:52pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

So are we about to bomb Iran or Venezuela?

I’m so confused.

Yes.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 1:37:51pm

re: #57 Decatur Deb

Ya gotta make’m wanna. It’s a pipe dream to think they’re going away spontaneously any time soon.

We can’t make them. It took the Great Depression and a world war to knock them out of it the last time.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:38:22pm

We’re supporting things like increased minimum wage, more infrastructure spending, health care spending, and a lot of these people complain because we acknowledge that LGBT people, immigrants, etc should have rights too.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:39:09pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:39:39pm

re: #62 Belafon

We can’t make them. It took the Great Depression and a world war to knock them out of it the last time.

When whites who aren’t making high six figures discover they have more in common with PoC who are making close to them than Donald Trump, we might get some progress.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:40:50pm

It’s not even really a class thing. HRC beat Trump on voters making less than 100 K. HRC beat Trump on the economy. Trump won voters by pandering to fears about immigrants and terrorism even though he hasn’t a clue about either subject other than a campaign that resembled the Know Nothing Party.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:40:51pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

I just don’t really have much interest in trying to get the votes of people who look at my niece and sister in law and see foreign invaders. I’m not saying we refuse to help them. I’m saying that we shouldn’t focus on their vote. IF they get over their butthurt over LGBT, women, etc rights, then fine but if they’re going to keep on falling for Trump and the right’s white resentment bullshti, I have no desire to get their vote.

yup. leave em behind if they dont want to come along
like i said 40% of the voting age population isnt registered

and you, very smartly said “Exactly. Go after new citizens, people who have turned 18 since 2016, etc.”

no need for us to be ‘fair’ going after the entire 40% evenhandedly. find the fertile parts of the market that will more than likely help our cause: promoting liberty and justice for all

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:42:00pm

re: #62 Belafon

We can’t make them. It took the Great Depression and a world war to knock them out of it the last time.

Two world wars. Dos Passos USA was the key work for me. We’re just about at the point where the poets and comedians are our best hope. Give Trump time and we’ll get the necessary wars and depression.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 1:42:15pm

Colorado:
Shots fired at STEM school in Highlands Ranch, 2 injured

Maybe we’ll get off with relatively light casualties today. That seems to be the best we can hope for anymore.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:43:31pm

re: #67 DangerMan

yup. leave em behind if they dont want to come along
like i said 40% of the voting age population isnt registered

and you, very smartly said “Exactly. Go after new citizens, people who have turned 18 since 2016, etc.”

no need for us to be ‘fair’ going after the entire 40% evenhandedly. find the fertile parts of the market that will more than likely help our cause: promoting liberty and justice for all

If they want to join us, I’m fine with it. My old man is the Trump voter to a tee. He’s over 65, hasn’t got a diploma, and is a Southerner. Yet he sees through Trump’s crap so I have to ask the other white guys over 65 without degrees who are Trump’s strongest supporters still, what’s stopping you from seeing what my Dad can? My Dad’s not any more intelligent than they are. They’re capable of reading the paper. My problem is we infantize these voters. Act like they’re too stupid to pick up a newspaper or watch something other than FNC or turn the radio dial to something other than Rush.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:43:43pm

re: #67 DangerMan

yup. leave em behind if they dont want to come along
like i said 40% of the voting age population isnt registered

and you, very smartly said “Exactly. Go after new citizens, people who have turned 18 since 2016, etc.”

no need for us to be ‘fair’ going after the entire 40% evenhandedly. find the fertile parts of the market that will more than likely help our cause: promoting liberty and justice for all

For every 100 college kids I register, I can assume a net gain of 5-10 actual Democratic voters. Alabama, y’know.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:44:20pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

We’re supporting things like increased minimum wage, more infrastructure spending, health care spending, and a lot of these people complain because we acknowledge that LGBT people, immigrants, etc should have rights too, that the state is repressing with the help and backing of these very voters.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:44:51pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Two world wars. Dos Passos USA was the key work for me. We’re just about at the point where the poets and comedians are our best hope. Give Trump time and we’ll get the necessary wars and depression.

A good read but a different time too. These people have forgotten that their ancestors were shat on for being immigrants and they show today’s immigrants who are doing the same thing their parents, grandparents, and great grandparents no empathy at all.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:45:14pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

For every 100 college kids I register, I can assume a net gain of 5-10 actual Democratic voters. Alabama, y’know.

And that’s who we should be going after.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 1:45:26pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Colorado:
Shots fired at STEM school in Highlands Ranch, 2 injured

Maybe we’ll get off with relatively light casualties today. That seems to be the best we can hope for anymore.

Clearly we need to start arming science teachers.

/

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:47:12pm

re: #72 DangerMan

Yes exactly. They loved the New Deal when FDR talked about it because they assumed it was for Whites only but the second LBJ and this is why LBJ is the most under-appreciatd president in American history IMO started talking about the promise of the New Deal, Fair Deal, New Frontier, and his own Great Society being for all Americans, they got pissy and the Republicans played right into it. It’s why middle class whites who could if they wanted to be a valuable part of the Democratic coalition defected to the party who exist for the benefit of elitist assholes like Trump.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 1:47:15pm

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

Clearly we need to start arming science teachers.

With CO2 lasers.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:47:51pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

For every 100 college kids I register, I can assume a net gain of 5-10 actual Democratic voters. Alabama, y’know.

yeah, i know where you’re at.
you do yeoman’s work

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 1:48:30pm

Three shooters would be an alarming escalation. It’s more likely that the cops have grabbed a couple of people as suspected accomplices, and they will probably end up being released once the shooter is dealt with.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:51:59pm

You do excellent work DD in one of the most brightest red spots in the nation. I’m not saying we shouldn’t support policies that help people. I just don’t know what more realistically we need to do. We support things like increased investments in our health care, infrastructure, education, and a lot of them go out and vote for the guy who talks about how it’s awful that we don’t hurt people anymore, belittles a disabled reporter, and makes an American born judge’s ethnicity an issue that was trying the case in which he was being sued for fraud in his bullshit private university. By all means, let’s support policies that empower all who live in our country, that’s what liberalism is all about but let’s not act like the politics of resentment is the answer either. As my namesake said, out of the darkness of states rights and into the sunshine of human rights. LGBT rights are my rights even if I’m not LGBT. Immigrant rights are my rights even though I was born in Virginia. The right of African-Americans not to be racially profiled and hassled by the cops are mine even though I’m whtier than Wonder Bread.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 7, 2019 • 1:52:29pm

re: #51 Teukka

And the obligatory poster :)

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The shear incompetence shown by the supervisor was stunning. By this time you have seen, SPOILER!

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Yep, this series is not for the weak.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 1:52:34pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 1:53:37pm

re: #82 Backwoods_Sleuth

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So I’m sure all the Bro dicks who insisted Trump would be the peaceful one and HRC would bring us nothing but war will apologize soon huh.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:54:55pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

So I’m sure all the Bro dicks who insisted Trump would be the peaceful one and HRC would bring us nothing but war will apologize soon huh.


what trump’s doing is necessary in the circumstances
hillary woulda done a whole lot worse with out provocation and a lot sooner

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 1:57:19pm

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 1:58:12pm
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gwangung  May 7, 2019 • 1:58:35pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

So I’m sure all the Bro dicks who insisted Trump would be the peaceful one and HRC would bring us nothing but war will apologize soon huh.

That was just an excuse. Trump supporters didn’t really care about war and aggression, as long as their side was in control of initiating it.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 7, 2019 • 2:00:12pm

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Three shooters would be an alarming escalation. It’s more likely that the cops have grabbed a couple of people as suspected accomplices, and they will probably end up being released once the shooter is dealt with.

Groups plotting and conducting mass shootings are not uncommon.
if it is a group, I expect they will have a history of cultish fascination with the Columbine shootings

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 2:00:53pm

re: #87 gwangung

That was just an excuse. Trump supporters didn’t really care about war and aggression, as long as their side was in control of initiating it.

Oh no doubt.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:01:17pm

this morning in Alabama:

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austin_blue  May 7, 2019 • 2:02:15pm

OT, but I will be dipped in shit!

Liverpool came back after losing 3-0 at Barcelona and beat them 4-0 at home. They are going to the Champion’s League final.

Incredible scenes both on and off the field.

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 2:02:37pm

re: #81 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

The shear incompetence shown by the supervisor was stunning. By this time you have seen, SPOILER!

[Embedded content]
Yep, this series is not for the weak.

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Nope. Do not watch alone. Wait 1-2 hours after a meal. Friggin’ respect age restriction. And a good series if they keep the quality up in the next four :)

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nowherenorth2  May 7, 2019 • 2:09:10pm

My brain just exploded.
A local citizen just said we should not have a person resign from an elected post because it makes them feel that their votes don’t count.

So. I feel disenfranchised because the person I voted for was asked to resign for a good reason.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 7, 2019 • 2:15:56pm

re: #85 DangerMan

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Stanley Sea  May 7, 2019 • 2:18:29pm

re: #69 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:21:38pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 2:23:46pm

re: #27 Teukka

From downstairs, re: HBO’s “Chernobyl”:

Grade A, isotopically pure nightmare fuel…

I LOVE IT!

Confession: I have trouble remembering these characters’ names and so some of the references escaped me.

Also a spoiler -

Harbinger of things to come: The chilling final scene with children walking to their school and then a bird drops falls among them and dies

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:27:29pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 2:29:42pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is, of course, pathetic gaslighting from McConnell.

But, for the sake of argument, let’s pretend he’s actually serious. Obama is out of office, but McConnell still runs the Senate. What’s he doing to protect the next election?

He is protecting the election — for Republicans. Disenfranchise and cut voting hours — and in areas where that might not succeed, get the Russians to help out.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:30:26pm

oh…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:31:49pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 2:31:51pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh…

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Explains why Jerry loves Trump so much. He’s a moral fraud too.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 2:32:21pm

re: #41 DangerMan

i do Postcards To Voters

Postcards last time, phone banking this weekend.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 2:33:24pm

re: #28 DangerMan

the Peoples Temple cult preferred to literally drink the ‘kool-aid’

Umm, no. Pretty metaphor, but in fact they were forced at gunpoint.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 2:33:28pm

re: #93 nowherenorth2

My brain just exploded.
A local citizen just said we should not have a person resign from an elected post because it makes them feel that their votes don’t count.

So. I feel disenfranchised because the person I voted for was asked to resign for a good reason.

The person I voted for was not made president because of some arcane rule put in to entice slave states. So I’m just not feeling much sympathy. Plus, is she saying that it would be OK for an elected official to kill because they shouldn’t be removed from office?

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 2:34:28pm

…>

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:35:14pm
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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:35:25pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 2:36:18pm

re: #107 jaunte

why do I think it’s something like JacobwohlisGod2000@gmail.com?

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makeitstop  May 7, 2019 • 2:37:02pm

Nothing like a couple of dumb guys trying to gin up a controversy.

How can you be that dumb and not hurt yourself getting out of bed?

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Dr. Matt  May 7, 2019 • 2:37:13pm

re: #107 jaunte

These two Nazi fucks really need to find real jobs.

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:37:16pm

Is there anything more pathetic than trying to gin up your own pretend mob of protestors?

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 2:37:38pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

That ripple effect must be ground distortion. Some old mosaic floors in Italy (San Marco) demonstrate the shift in surface through the centuries.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2019 • 2:38:12pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 2:38:26pm

Jacob Wohl and Jack are two very stupid people.

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Stanley Sea  May 7, 2019 • 2:41:02pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Beautiful

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 2:42:39pm

re: #111 Dr. Matt

These two Nazi fucks really need to find real jobs.

I wouldn’t trust them to use a paint scraper to pick up gum.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 2:43:27pm

Steve Lookner live on the Colorado shooting. Lots of Nazis and other conspira-fools getting the very fast boot on the live chat.

Multiple Injuries in Colorado School Shooting - LIVE BREAKING NEWS COVERAGE

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Stanley Sea  May 7, 2019 • 2:45:58pm

re: #118 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

I close the chat. 1st rule.

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William Lewis  May 7, 2019 • 2:46:44pm

As some of us noticed on Saturday, Rachel Held Evans passed away. This is a tremendous loss for those of us who are belivers in a better Way of Christian living.

Sojourners published a good piece about her importance today. The Overwhelming Loss and Legacy of Rachel Held Evans.

May she rest eternal in the light.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:47:26pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:49:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:51:40pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 2:52:05pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 7, 2019 • 2:52:25pm

i have to come here if i want to mention joe biden without getting a face full of progressive hostility

ffs

i mean, i can feel it already: it’s looking like biden/harris 2020

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:53:22pm

Regressive GOP tax scheme fails in Texas. But they’ll be back.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 2:53:53pm
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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:54:26pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 2:55:14pm

re: #128 jaunte

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They care more about Confederate statues having rights than people.

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 2:55:21pm

re: #97 Hecuba’s daughter

Confession: I have trouble remembering these characters’ names and so some of the references escaped me.

Also a spoiler -

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Dyatlov: Shift super.
Akimov and Toptunov: 2nd in command in control room.
Fumin: Chief engineer.
Bruchanov: Plant boss.

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 2:56:24pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

The GOP has no political principles.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 2:57:35pm

re: #131 jaunte

The GOP has no political principles.

Notta.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 2:57:57pm

re: #131 jaunte

The GOP has no political principles.

FTFY

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 3:04:38pm
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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 3:06:17pm

re: #130 Teukka

Dyatlov: Shift super.
Akimov and Toptunov: 2nd in command in control room.
Fumin: Chief engineer.
Bruchanov: Plant boss.

[Embedded content]

And I managed to dig up some of the Soundtrack to the series.
Artist is Hildur Guðnadóttir. Enjoy the “Bridge of Death”.

Bridge Of Death (From “Chernobyl” TV Series Soundtrack)

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Skip Intro  May 7, 2019 • 3:06:34pm

re: #134 jaunte

Nunes?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 7, 2019 • 3:07:54pm

Evening Lizardim.

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jaunte  May 7, 2019 • 3:07:59pm

re: #136 Skip Intro

Does he have to sign as ranking member?

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Skip Intro  May 7, 2019 • 3:09:17pm

re: #138 jaunte

Does he have to sign as ranking member?

It was sent in April with the drop dead date May 3 as I read it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:10:34pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:12:49pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:13:56pm

re: #141 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:14:32pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I love the internet

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:16:00pm
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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 3:21:11pm

re: #135 Teukka

And I managed to dig up some of the Soundtrack to the series.
Artist is Hildur Guðnadóttir. Enjoy the “Bridge of Death”.

[Embedded content]

And wait, there’s more! A podcast:
Potential Spoiler Warning:

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 3:25:09pm

re: #145 Teukka

And wait, there’s more! A podcast:
Potential Spoiler Warning:

[Embedded content]

We know how Chernobyl turned out. 🙂

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 3:26:33pm

re: #146 Belafon

We know how Chernobyl turned out. 🙂

Being downwind in 1986, I do too… Tho this is the guys who made it commenting on the first episode, where they departed from reality’s script etc. (hence potential spoiler warning).

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Alephnaught  May 7, 2019 • 3:28:18pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 3:28:58pm

re: #125 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i have to come here if i want to mention joe biden without getting a face full of progressive hostility

ffs

i mean, i can feel it already: it’s looking like biden/harris 2020

At this time in in various presidential cycles, Joe Lieberman and Rudy Giuliani have led.

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 3:34:38pm

re: #126 jaunte

those are some interesting dynamics in Texas.

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Eventual Carrion  May 7, 2019 • 3:37:06pm

re: #148 Alephnaught

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The pool boy was caught in the shots?

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 3:38:37pm

re: #151 Eventual Carrion

The pool boy was caught in the shots?

Or he was the photographer and Jerry Jr has some… eccentric tastes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 3:40:54pm
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Skip Intro  May 7, 2019 • 3:43:55pm

re: #151 Eventual Carrion

The pool boy was caught in the shots?

Pre pool boy. Just Jerry and the Mrs. doing the rumpy pumpy.

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Mike Lamb  May 7, 2019 • 3:49:02pm

I was scheduled for a job interview today. The office was next door to the school shooting. Seeing the incredible number of emergency vehicles that had been mobilized was frightening. Thus far, it sounds as if the casualties may be limited.

But I’m really fucking sick of this shit.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 7, 2019 • 3:49:20pm

re: #17 Eclectic Cyborg

So are we about to bomb Iran or Venezuela?

I’m so confused.

Why not both and make Booby Nincompoopo so so happy?

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nowherenorth2  May 7, 2019 • 3:50:20pm

re: #105 Belafon

I had a hearty laugh. She speed the typical right wing anti Muslim anti immigrant talking points

I guess it boggles my mind because simple civics. But the deep north is the deep south.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 3:52:01pm

News feed now has the school shooting at 8 injured. Shooter said to be 18 yr old student. Suggestion there could be a second shooter. Police update pending.

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 3:52:34pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ve been thinking some more about impeachment and the idea that Trump “wants” to be impeached. On some level, I can believe he wants to be impeached because he has terrible political instincts and he probably thinks it will help him. But I just don’t see how it helps him… there is no piece or pieces of evidence that are going to convince those who think he should be removed to saying “nevermind.” More likely, the evidence that would come out in hearings and then an impeachment trial would be more likely to sway those undecided/unmotivated voters to oppose Trump. Hell, it might even cut into some of his base, it might not bring those folks over to our side, but it could demotivate them to support Trump and his fellow Republicans.

Maybe I’m working backwards on this because I’ve been the sort that believes Trump should have been impeached two months into his presidency… but I’m really not sure the downside given what we know.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 3:57:06pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 3:57:34pm

Sheriff Spurlock presser right now.
2 shooters, both in custody. No names, btb one adult and one juvenile.
8 injuries, all students, some critical.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 3:59:29pm

re: #161 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Sheriff Spurlock presser right now.
2 shooters, both in custody. No names, btb one adult and one juvenile.
8 injuries, all students, some critical.

Fuck this country man.

I can NOT accept that things are never going to change.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 4:00:12pm

re: #114 gocart mozart

PUT THAT IN SPOILER TAGS!!!

OMG OMG OMG OMG I WANT TO GOUGE MY EYES OUT WITH A BROKEN BEER BOTTLE.

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DangerMan  May 7, 2019 • 4:02:07pm

re: #153 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Special Counsel report laid out eleven instances of the President’s obstruction, and left a raft of unanswered questions about coordination between the President’s campaign and Russia. These are not trivial or political questions - they go to the wellspring of our democracy.

just had a thought and here’s a post to use as an example

trump says puerto rico got $91billion dollars. we know it’s closer to 11, and they havent received the most recent 8. and trump rarely gets called out about the 91 - which was the estimate of the total cost of the hurricane

maybe pelosi et al should start ‘exaggerating’:

the Special Counsel report laid out more than 20 instances of obstruction
the special counsel report described dozens of examples of interactions with russians

what are they gonna say? it wasnt 20 it was only 11?

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 4:05:40pm

re: #147 Teukka

Being downwind in 1986, I do too… Tho this is the guys who made it commenting on the first episode, where they departed from reality’s script etc. (hence potential spoiler warning).

Just finished listening to the podcast… Maker to host: “I can assure you, it gets worse…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 4:06:30pm

Damn!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 7, 2019 • 4:07:32pm
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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 4:07:47pm

re: #166 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Damn!

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Listening to PD live. He’s not indicating fatals—several critical.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 4:11:32pm
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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 4:13:20pm
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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 4:15:06pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

From the article:

The numbers show that in 1985, Mr. Trump reported losses of $46.1 million from his core businesses — largely casinos, hotels and retail space in apartment buildings. They continued to lose money every year, totaling $1.17 billion in losses for the decade.

In fact, year after year, Mr. Trump appears to have lost more money than nearly any other individual American taxpayer, The Times found when it compared his results with detailed information the I.R.S. compiles on an annual sampling of high-income earners. His core business losses in 1990 and 1991 — more than $250 million each year — were more than double those of the nearest taxpayers in the I.R.S. information for those years.

My expert legal opinion: damn.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 4:16:50pm

re: #170 Charles Johnson

Trump is the worst example of this phenomenon.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 4:22:03pm

re: #171 KGxvi

From the article:

My expert legal opinion: damn.

so…he hasn’t paid any actual income taxes…

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 4:23:06pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…he hasn’t paid any actual income taxes…

“Taxes are for Little People.”

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 4:23:47pm

re: #173 Backwoods_Sleuth

so…he hasn’t paid any actual income taxes…

According to the article, from the mid-80s through the early 90s, he didn’t pay income tax in 8 of 10 years.

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 4:26:33pm

By the way, this is my favorite part of the article:

On Saturday, after further inquiries from The Times, a lawyer for the president, Charles J. Harder, wrote that the tax information was “demonstrably false,” and that the paper’s statements “about the president’s tax returns and business from 30 years ago are highly inaccurate.” He cited no specific errors, but on Tuesday added that “I.R.S. transcripts, particularly before the days of electronic filing, are notoriously inaccurate” and “would not be able to provide a reasonable picture of any taxpayer’s return.”

Mark J. Mazur, a former director of research, analysis and statistics at the I.R.S., said that, far from being considered unreliable, data used to create such transcripts had undergone quality control for decades and had been used to analyze economic trends and set national policy. In addition, I.R.S. auditors often refer to the transcripts as “handy” summaries of tax returns, said Mr. Mazur, now director of the nonpartisan Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center in Washington.

It’s turtlesFredos all the way down.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 4:28:11pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Only a billion?

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KGxvi  May 7, 2019 • 4:31:27pm

re: #177 Ace Rothstein

Only a billion?

A billion dollars in 1994 would be, adjusted for inflation, $1.72b today.

$1.17b in 1994 (which is the total he lost between 1985 and 1994) is just a tad over $2b in 2019.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 4:31:46pm

If Trump liquidated it all tomorrow, he would be $300 million in debt, easy.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:34:54pm

He’s simply not a good businessman. Just happened to be an obnoxious douche in a city and era that thrived on obnoxious douches and over 30 years later we’re stuck with him as potus. I’d love to see his academic transcripts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 4:35:18pm

my fave?

Inmate #100049380

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:36:13pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

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my fave?

Inmate #100049380

You win BWS.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 4:36:57pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

Take his golf courses. They are sinks. He’s pumped millions into them and he’s lost tens of millions since, especially in the UK.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:40:03pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Take his golf courses. They are sinks. He’s pumped millions into them and he’s lost tens of millions since, especially in the UK.

Not to mention things like Trump Airlines, Trump Vodka, and Trump Steaks. Can’t say I or many people I know have flown on that airline, drank that piss, and eaten that rubber. He’s just as I said a byproduct of NYC in the 80’s when we thought it was fun to make obnoxious douchebags into celebrities. He’s basically the equivalent of the guys from Jersey Shore getting elected President sometime in the 2040’s which I hope to God we don’t even contemplate.

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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 4:41:15pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Take his golf courses. They are sinks. He’s pumped millions into them and he’s lost tens of millions since, especially in the UK.

[tinfoil]Now, what if those aren’t real losses, but investments of a shady nature disguised as mismanaged properties?[/tinfoil]

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:41:39pm

As I said the other day to my brother, Trump is basically Paris Hilton without the talent.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 4:42:42pm

Batten down the hatches. There’s a category 5 tweetstorm a comin’.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:42:55pm

Speaking of his golf courses. My cousin’s in laws live in Scotland(They’re Brits) and the Scots hate him.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 4:43:34pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:44:13pm

re: #187 Teddy’s Person

Batten down the hatches. There’s a category 5 tweetstorm a comin’.

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I’m going to guess now, it will include an obvious misspelling, the phrase the failing New York Times, a mention of HRC, the phrase fake news, and to complete ti, he’ll brag about the economy and then I’ll call Bingo.

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Stanley Sea  May 7, 2019 • 4:45:41pm

re: #179 Ace Rothstein

If Trump liquidated it all tomorrow, he would be $300 million in debt, easy.

Russia would have to agree to the terms.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:45:58pm

Does anyone remember their first impression of Trump? God I don’t know old I was but it was way, way before The Apprentice and I always thought he was an obnoxious douchebag. I didn’t watch wrestling so it wasn’t his guest appearance at a Wrestlemania but probably a cameo in Home Alone 2 or the Little Rascals movie.

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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 4:46:13pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 4:47:48pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Does anyone remember their first impression of Trump? God I don’t know old I was but it was way, way before The Apprentice and I always thought he was an obnoxious douchebag. I didn’t watch wrestling so it wasn’t his guest appearance at a Wrestlemania but probably a cameo in Home Alone 2 or the Little Rascals movie.

“Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous”

it was really stupid

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 4:47:59pm

re: #190 HappyWarrior

I’m going to guess now, it will include an obvious misspelling, the phrase the failing New York Times, a mention of HRC, the phrase fake news, and to complete ti, he’ll brag about the economy and then I’ll call Bingo.

White House staffers are drawing straws as we speak to see who gets to try to wrestle away his phone. Maybe they can distract him by invading Venezuela.

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steve_davis  May 7, 2019 • 4:48:32pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I would love for Trump’s base to turn on him.

You’re seriously asking why people who think Moses wrote a book of the Bible two books after he’d died are easy marks for every grifter who comes along?

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 4:49:03pm

re: #193 Chrysicat

Grandson moved there in January. His school is about 5 miles away. He’s already had this and the lockdown from the suicidal Columbine fangirl.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:49:12pm

re: #194 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous”

it was really stupid

Oh man, I didn’t know he was on that but it doesn’t surprise me. He never missed an opportunity to promote himself.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:50:13pm

re: #196 steve_davis

You’re seriously asking why people who think Moses wrote a book of the Bible two books after he’d died are easy marks for every grifter who comes along?

Hey I’m an Orioles fan in baseball too. Hope springs eternal. I don’t think they will but I’m allowed to hope for it because if his base turns on him, he’ll have nowhere in this country he’ll feel comfortable and I want him uncomfortable as hell.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 4:50:34pm

re: #159 KGxvi

I’ve been thinking some more about impeachment and the idea that Trump “wants” to be impeached. On some level, I can believe he wants to be impeached because he has terrible political instincts and he probably thinks it will help him. But I just don’t see how it helps him… there is no piece or pieces of evidence that are going to convince those who think he should be removed to saying “nevermind.” More likely, the evidence that would come out in hearings and then an impeachment trial would be more likely to sway those undecided/unmotivated voters to oppose Trump. Hell, it might even cut into some of his base, it might not bring those folks over to our side, but it could demotivate them to support Trump and his fellow Republicans.

Maybe I’m working backwards on this because I’ve been the sort that believes Trump should have been impeached two months into his presidency… but I’m really not sure the downside given what we know.

He knows he won’t be convicted in the Senate, therefore he believes that once he is impeached and acquitted he will be bulletproof.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 4:53:01pm

re: #198 HappyWarrior

Oh man, I didn’t know he was on that but it doesn’t surprise me. He never missed an opportunity to promote himself.

the infamous speculating about infant Tiffany’s boobs…

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 4:53:02pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

In the 1990s, I was working for the federal government in DC. I was in NYC for a couple of weeks for a training class. I was walking down the street with a guy from the class, and we passed the Don. He fanboied out. I asked, “who is Donald Trump?” Never gave the the Don another thought until all the publicity surrounding the Apprentice.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:54:23pm

re: #201 Backwoods_Sleuth

the infamous speculating about infant Tiffany’s boobs…

I literally can imagine no other candidate in the history of this country that would have said that. Like who the hell talks that way that isn’t some perverted asshole?

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 4:55:06pm

re: #202 Teddy’s Person

In the 1990s, I was working for the federal government in DC. I was in NYC for a couple of weeks for a training class. I was walking down the street with a guy from the class, and we passed the Don. He fanboied out. I asked, “who is Donald Trump?” Never gave the the Don another thought until all the publicity surrounding the Apprentice.

I think I may have heard him on Howard Stern sometimes since my father listened to Howard Stern a lot in the 90’s.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 4:56:50pm

re: #167 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Exclusive: The New York Times has obtained a decade of Donald Trump’s tax figures. They show over $1 billion in business losses from 1985 to 1994.

In October 2016, we saw a couple pages from Trump’s 1995 records which showed a total loss of $916 million. But that didn’t seem to cause potential voters to reconsider their support. Or maybe it’s just that the papers had to focus daily on her emails while doing only a single article on his finances

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wrenchwench  May 7, 2019 • 4:59:33pm

re: #205 Hecuba’s daughter

In October 2016, we saw a couple pages from Trump’s 1995 records which showed a total loss of $916 million. But that didn’t seem to cause potential voters to reconsider their support. Or maybe it’s just that the papers had to focus daily on her emails while doing only a single article on his finances

The Russians had all the information they needed long before then.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 4:59:58pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

I think I may have heard him on Howard Stern sometimes since my father listened to Howard Stern a lot in the 90’s.

Yeah, he and Howard yucked it up over how he wanted to bang Ivanka. The sad thing about it is that his Stern appearances and a clip of his grossness on Lifestyles made the rounds during the election (that’s when I saw/heard them).

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:00:24pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

The Russians had all the information they needed long before then.

I’ve been listening to the Report on Audible. They definitely felt they could use him.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:01:56pm

re: #207 Teddy’s Person

Yeah, he and Howard yucked it up over how he wanted to bang Ivanka. The sad thing about it is that his Stern appearances and a clip of his grossness on Lifestyles made the rounds during the election (that’s when I saw/heard them).

He’s just so unbelievably creepy. Like yeah there is womanizing. But wondering aloud about what Tiff’s breasts would be like after her birth and the whole “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter”. I don’t have a sister or a daughter but I know plenty of men who do have daughters and they sure as hell don’t talk that way about their daughters.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 5:02:38pm

re: #192 HappyWarrior

Does anyone remember their first impression of Trump? God I don’t know old I was but it was way, way before The Apprentice and I always thought he was an obnoxious douchebag. I didn’t watch wrestling so it wasn’t his guest appearance at a Wrestlemania but probably a cameo in Home Alone 2 or the Little Rascals movie.

This Robert Crumb comic

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nines09  May 7, 2019 • 5:03:46pm

I devour anything by Joe Bonamassa and I never saw this one. Until now.
This was the first song I heard by him on a college radio station.
Enjoy.

Joe Bonamassa - “Blues Deluxe” - 3-30-03 - Denver, CO

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:04:12pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

This Robert Crumb comic

Ha. You know the other funny thing is he literally is the inspiration for Biff Tannen. We elected Biff Tannen as President. I can’t ever get over that.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2019 • 5:04:46pm
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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:06:33pm

re: #213 gocart mozart

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Irresponsible to speculate … pfft … it would be irresponsible not to speculate wildly.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 5:06:54pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Ha. You know the other funny thing is he literally is the inspiration for Biff Tannen. We elected Biff Tannen as President. I can’t ever get over that.

Doc & Marty never got back that sports almanac. We are all literally in BTTF Timeline 2.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 5:08:14pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:08:23pm

re: #215 The Vicious Babushka

Doc & Marty never got back that sports almanac. We are all literally in BTTF Timeline 2.

Great Scott! But yeah this is some weird timeline.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:09:20pm

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Ha. You know the other funny thing is he literally is the inspiration for Biff Tannen. We elected Biff Tannen as President. I can’t ever get over that.

Actually, we (the people) elected the smart girl who did all the work for the group project as president, but I get what you mean.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:09:35pm

re: #213 gocart mozart

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Add Falwell Jr to the long list of Evangelical hypocritical douchebags. Be nice if people stopped sending these guys money. Maybe Jerry would actually have to find a real job for once rather than being a grifting con artist.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 5:10:25pm

“Spat” really Reuters? You meant SPLAT!

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:10:43pm

re: #218 Teddy’s Person

Actually, we (the people) elected the smart girl who did all the work for the group project as president, but I get what you mean.

It bugs me that it was even close but you are right. We had a choice between by far the most qualified candidate of my lifetime and some would argue ever and the most unqualified candidate ever. She deserved better.

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gocart mozart  May 7, 2019 • 5:11:42pm
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wrenchwench  May 7, 2019 • 5:12:25pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

“Spat” really Reuters? You meant SPLAT!

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Avocados are next.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:12:55pm

re: #221 HappyWarrior

It bugs me that it was even close but you are right. We had a choice between by far the most qualified candidate of my lifetime and some would argue ever and the most unqualified candidate ever. She deserved better.

I’ve been wanting to ask something for awhile, and I hope I’m not overstepping. Did you get your degree from George Mason?

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Stanley Sea  May 7, 2019 • 5:13:13pm

re: #210 The Vicious Babushka

Whoa

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:15:15pm

re: #224 Teddy’s Person

I’ve been wanting to ask something for awhile, and I hope I’m not overstepping. Did you get your degree from George Mason?

Yes, BA in history. If you’re asking if the history department is as right wing as the econ department, I would say probably not. I’ve heard some stories about the econ department though. I was there in Obama’s first term and one aquaintence told me and some other people about how the department would have questions like “Why is the Obama Stimulus bad?” It’s knowing stuff like that why I have low tolerance for conservative college kids acting like that liberalism is so “intolerant.”

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wrenchwench  May 7, 2019 • 5:15:18pm

re: #222 gocart mozart

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That ain’t no New York City kitty.

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PhillyPretzel  May 7, 2019 • 5:15:29pm

re: #220 The Vicious Babushka

In a month or two NJ will have some tomatoes and they taste great.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 5:16:59pm

The GOP have all decided that the path to victory is to stick together and promote Trump’s lies; Barr’s strategy has succeeded brilliantly in setting the public perception that Mueller did not find anything illegal. Barr’s falsehoods were on the stage, without refutation, for weeks before anyone had a chance to uncover the truth.

Our nation will not survive this obfuscation and criminality if Trump gets away with his lies. Barr must be taken down and sent to prison if we are to have any hope of recovering from this devastating interlude.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:17:50pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Yes, BA in history. If you’re asking if the history department is as right wing as the econ department, I would say probably not. I’ve heard some stories about the econ department though. I was there in Obama’s first term and one aquaintence told me and some other people about how the department would have questions like “Why is the Obama Stimulus bad?” It’s knowing stuff like that why I have low tolerance for conservative college kids acting like that liberalism is so “intolerant.”

I have an MA in history from Mason, but I was there before your time. Did you take any classes from Dr. Suzanne Smith or Dr. Rosemarie Zagarri?

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EPR-radar  May 7, 2019 • 5:18:17pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

He’s simply not a good businessman. Just happened to be an obnoxious douche in a city and era that thrived on obnoxious douches and over 30 years later we’re stuck with him as potus. I’d love to see his academic transcripts.

Trump is some horrid mashup of the worst businessman of all time and the greatest tax evader of all time.

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Jay C  May 7, 2019 • 5:19:39pm

re: #185 Teukka

[tinfoil]Now, what if those aren’t real losses, but investments of a shady nature disguised as mismanaged properties?[/tinfoil]

No need for the sombrero aluminio: that Trump’s RE business(es) have been a conduit for the (legal and above-board) laundering of “questionable” funds from abroad has been an open secret in NY for years. It’s all done (IIRC) through so many cutouts and shell companies that determining exactly where and from whom* said funds originate is practically impossible.

*though a great deal of it is thought to trace back to numerous “businessmen” with names ending in “-sky” and “-ovich” …

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:20:53pm

re: #230 Teddy’s Person

I have an MA in history from Mason, but I was there before your time. Did you take any classes from Dr. Suzanne Smith or Dr. Rosemarie Zagarri?

Can’t say I have. I took classes from Rex Wade who literally taught us stuff in Russian history that he was witness to as a young professor in the Khrushchev era of the Cold War. Trying to think if there’s anyone else prominent from the GMU history department. I did meet Jack Censer, who is a specialist on the French Revolution who was the Dean of the History department while I was there but it was because he was in charge of a 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall speech given by Mikhail Gorbachev. I didn’t have an official concentration but I took a lot of classes on 20th century history mostly in Europe but also some in China and Latin America.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:22:11pm

re: #229 Hecuba’s daughter

The GOP have all decided that the path to victory is to stick together and promote Trump’s lies; Barr’s strategy has succeeded brilliantly in setting the public perception that Mueller did not find anything illegal. Barr’s falsehoods were on the stage, without refutation, for weeks before anyone had a chance to uncover the truth.

Our nation will not survive this obfuscation and criminality if Trump gets away with his lies. Barr must be taken down and sent to prison if we are to have any hope of recovering from this devastating interlude.

Has it succeeded? Most people agree that Trump obstructed justice and has committed criminal acts. They’re not sold on impeachment but as of right now, I think Trump would lose in a general election. Not by a landslide but by arguably the biggest amount an incumbent has lost in years.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 5:22:25pm
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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 7, 2019 • 5:23:32pm

There’s already a cut of Avengers Endgame for fragile alt-right males.

Avengers Endgame De-Feminized Fanedit aka Anti-Cheese-Cut aka Straight White Male Edition

Endgame, but shorter, no feminism, no gay shit, less boring filler, less sniffing its own farts, no constant quips, and other small changes.

720p x264, 192kbps AAC, 1h 25m runtime

Based on the V3 cam. Image rather good for a cam, audio great (line? no audience noises)

Changes in no particular order:
- Absolutely no Brie Larson, neither in the beginning nor in the finale. Hence Anti-Cheese. (Get it?)
- Most quips edited out to give more consistent serious tone, e.g. Fortnite, Dab, America’s ass, empty gauntlet snap etc.
- Stan Lee themed Marvel intro from Captain Marvel. This should obviously have been the movie to have it in the first place.
- No Hawkeye training his daughter. Young women should learn skills to become good wives and mothers and leave the fighting to men.
- No women leader conference, no gay support group talk, …
- Moping/Dialogue/Filler in first act severely reduced, time travel happens after 30 minutes.
- Any science babble that isn’t necessary to understand the story is gone. Nothing takes you out of a movie quite like pseudo-science.
- Tony doesn’t ask his wife’s permission to save the universe.
- Female sorceress gets scared of Hulk and just gives him the stone. Their talk was a giant plothole anyway. No Nebula-Wifi. She gets kidnapped and they read her memory. Tony doesn’t meet his dad, Thor doesn’t meet his mom, it’s pointless.
- No Thor being told he can’t wield the gauntlet. Hulk just says he will do it. Thor’s whining reduced. Sadly he’s unsalvageable in general, but I did the best to make him more dignified.
- Black Panther isn’t the first revived Avenger to arrive and gets a bit less time, he’s really not that important. No Wakanda apechant.
- Women in final battle severely reduced. They should be at home taking care of their kids. In particular Pepper has no business being there. Does she want her daughter to become an orphan? Wanda’s final battle scene is gone. Made everyone else look useless. No Quill getting kicked in his balls for no reason. No Tony dying in Pepper’s arms (she isn’t there)
- Valkyrie barely in it, doesn’t become queen.
- Less kitchen psychology, e.g. “she knows. they all do.”.
- Many little fixes, tightenings, rescored parts and cuts of unnecessary stuff.

Full list in readme. Not perfect, but I think it works. In particular the first act, but also the second act are more on point now. The final battle has less cuts, because action is fun to watch and the whole point of the movie. Subscribe to Pewdiepie.

FAQ:
Who influenced your work? - My greatest video editing influence is Candace Owens. But some of her montage ideas are frankly too radical even for my taste.
Are you an MRA? - I’m member of a Christian Alt-Right organization named Luther Institute Georgetown-Manchester-Arlington

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 5:24:21pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

Trump is some horrid mashup of the worst businessman of all time and the greatest tax evader of all time.

We need to see the entire returns to have a hint about what’s really going on. We have no way of knowing how much Trump received under the table. He may be an Al Capone, who was in good financial condition but successfully hid his income.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:24:30pm

re: #236 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There’s already a cut of Avengers Endgame for fragile alt-right males.

I’m waiting for the Alt-Right Incels to set up their own colony with only men.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 5:26:11pm
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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 5:27:26pm

Why has no one in here mentioned that Trump being totally about “fake it till you make it” even back as far as his “successful” 80s has been proven once and for all, though unfortunately by the NYT?

And on another note, should I online-subscribe to the (Springs) Gazette? It’d be a local-news source and it’s probably, ironically, still less fascist-friendly than the Denver Post, not to mention more likely to still be in business by Halloween (Parker may or may not now be in their physical-paper delivery area, but I don’t want to throw 30 bucks a month out just for coupons I couldn’t have otherwise, so thus “online subscription)…

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:27:51pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Can’t say I have. I took classes from Rex Wade who literally taught us stuff in Russian history that he was witness to as a young professor in the Khrushchev era of the Cold War. Trying to think if there’s anyone else prominent from the GMU history department. I did meet Jack Censer, who is a specialist on the French Revolution who was the Dean of the History department while I was there but it was because he was in charge of a 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall speech given by Mikhail Gorbachev. I didn’t have an official concentration but I took a lot of classes on 20th century history mostly in Europe but also some in China and Latin America.

I was there about 10 years before you and Jack Censer was the chair then. I didn’t realize he was chair that long. My degree is in American history with a minor in European history. So, I mostly know the Americanists. I can’t remember the names of the professors in the handful of European classes I took. I took a class about Weimar Germany that I quite liked. I remember Rex Wade from just being around the deparment.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 7, 2019 • 5:28:53pm

re: #183 Ace Rothstein

Take his golf courses. They are sinks. He’s pumped millions into them and he’s lost tens of millions since, especially in the UK.

But he gets to run around, play all the golf he wants, act like a big shot and demand respect, plus he obviously has not missed a meal in quite a while.

He’s at the point that he doesn’t give a damn about personal liquidity - just the ego demands that the actual state he hidden. When he dies it becomes someone else’s problem. Which is pretty much how he has handled everything else most of his life.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 5:29:04pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 5:29:45pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 5:30:02pm

re: #240 Chrysicat

Why has no one in here mentioned that Trump being totally about “fake it till you make it” even back as far as his “successful” 80s has been proven once and for all, though unfortunately by the NYT?

And on another note, should I online-subscribe to the (Springs) Gazette? It’d be a local-news source and it’s probably, ironically, still less fascist-friendly than the Denver Post, not to mention more likely to still be in business by Halloween (Parker may or may not now be in their physical-paper delivery area, but I don’t want to throw 30 bucks a month out just for coupons I couldn’t have otherwise, so thus “online subscription)…

Support your local newspaper. So that there will be local reporting.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 5:30:44pm

re: #245 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Ask the staff at the Times Picayune about that.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:31:07pm

re: #236 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There’s already a cut of Avengers Endgame for fragile alt-right males.

Or, as the rest of us call them, toddlers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 5:33:01pm

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 5:33:33pm

Unambiguous Darwin Award. It will surprise no one to learn that alcohol was involved.

Florida Man Shoots Self In Head To See If Round In Chamber

A weekend of fishing and cooking out ended in tragedy early Sunday morning for a 49-year-old Florida man.

Charles Cooper and a female friend were visiting property that Cooper owns in north Brevard County with plans to fish and barbecue.

According to the Volusia County Sheriff’s Office, the two had been drinking beer, and at one point during the gathering while outdoors near Mims, Florida, Cooper retrieved a handgun.

His friend said he removed the magazine from the gun and then questioned aloud whether there was still a round in the chamber.

Cooper then allegedly raised the gun to his head and pulled the trigger, discharging a fatal round.

I wish I could summon a little more sympathy for folks like this, and I do feel bad for his loved ones, especially those who were eyewitnesses to this foolish tragedy. But damn, I am alive at least in part because I haven’t done stupid things like this, at least not that stupid. What I really think happened is that he was completely sure in his drunken state that the chamber was empty and decided to play a little joke on his fellow revelers. He might have intended to say, “BANG!” when the gun clicked. Alas, he was wrong and the gun itself provided the bang.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:34:01pm

Less than three weeks before his graduation from high school in Tucson, Arizona, a routine traffic stop landed Thomas Torres-Maytorena in the custody of US Customs and Border Protection agents.

On Monday, more than 100 of his classmates walked out of Desert View High School and marched in protest to the Pima County Sheriff’s Department.

It was the sheriff’s department that turned the 18-year-old undocumented student over to federal authorities following the traffic stop on Thursday night, according to the sheriff’s department and a school official.

“We’re here to get our friend back,” classmate Daphne Anselmo told the protesting students on Monday, according to video from CNN affiliate KOLD. “This shouldn’t be happening right now. Thomas should be in class.”

The sheriff’s department said in a statement that Torres-Maytorena was unable to provide identification after he was pulled over by deputies. They contacted border patrol agents when Torres-Maytorena told them he was undocumented.

The US Border Patrol said in a statement that Torres-Maytorenais is a Mexican citizen and faces immigration charges. He remained in CBP custody in Tucson on Tuesday morning, according to CBP spokesman Rob Daniels.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:34:27pm

re: #241 Teddy’s Person

I was there about 10 years before you and Jack Censer was the chair then. I didn’t realize he was chair that long. My degree is in American history with a minor in European history. So, I mostly know the Americanists. I can’t remember the names of the professors in the handful of European classes I took. I took a class about Weimar Germany that I quite liked. I remember Rex Wade from just being around the deparment.

Could it have been Professor Mark Stoneman for the Weimar class? He didn’t particularly stand out as a great professor but I did like how he gave us access to WWI letters from before and after the Summer of 1914 to compare how the mindsets changed. But yeah Professor Wade has been around for a long time. I really liked him because he was very accessible. He enjoyed my History 499 paper which I wrote on the Pogroms from the assassinations of Alexander II to the start of WWI. That by far was the longest paper I ever wrote but not the hardest because I kept at it every night of my final semester. I forgot to mention but I also took a class wit ha Professor Hamdani on the Middle East but most of my non-European professors were younger. They’re still there though. My absolute favorite class though was Eastern European Nationalism 1914-1945. I forget my instructor’s name but he was a younger guy who had done his graduate work in Dubrovnik in Croatia and given my family ties to the Balkans, I really liked talking to him about Yugoslavia. It was really that class that first got me fascinated about the little differences that exist within ideological movements especially extreme ones like Communism and Fascism.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 5:34:43pm

re: #236 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

There’s already a cut of Avengers Endgame for fragile alt-right males.

Show of hands, who is not surprised that the nimrods who scream “SNOWFLAKES!” need their own special cuts of films?

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:35:08pm

re: #249 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Unambiguous Darwin Award. It will surprise no one to learn that alcohol was involved.

Florida Man Shoots Self In Head To See If Round In Chamber

I wish I could summon a little more sympathy for folks like this, and I do feel bad for his loved ones, especially those who were eyewitnesses to this foolish tragedy. But damn, I am alive at least in part because I haven’t done stupid things like this, at least not that stupid. What I really think happened is that he was completely sure in his drunken state that the chamber was empty and decided to play a little joke on his fellow revelers. He might have intended to say, “BANG!” when the gun clicked. Alas, he was wrong and the gun itself provided the bang.

I guess all that NRA propaganda about how guns don’t really kill people got to him.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 7, 2019 • 5:35:45pm

Thank you to all the lizards that recommended Chernobyl. Absolutely riveting, although the British accents are throwing me off.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:35:49pm

re: #252 Targetpractice

Show of hands, who is not surprised that the nimrods who scream “SNOWFLAKES!” need their own special cuts of films?

They’re the same people who need their own:
Social media pages
dating websites.
and I’m sure there are other examples I’m missing.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 7, 2019 • 5:36:12pm

re: #181 Backwoods_Sleuth

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my fave?

Inmate #100049380

fat nixon isn’t appropriate

nixon may have been mean and paranoid, but he was definitely not stupid. nor ignorant

trump is stupid, ignorant, mean, and childish

take just mean, but a smart adult, and you get nixon

take just ignorant, but a good natured gentleman, and you get ronald reagan

it took trump to take the trifecta and more

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:37:37pm

re: #256 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

fat nixon isn’t appropriate

nixon may have been mean and paranoid, but he was definitely not stupid. nor ignorant

trump is stupid, ignorant, mean, and childish

take just mean, but a smart adult, and you get nixon

take just ignorant, but a good natured gentleman, and you get ronald reagan

it took trump to take the trifecta and more

Nixon’s criminality.
Reagan’s senility.
Bush I’s dirty games
Bush II’s WTF did he just say

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 7, 2019 • 5:37:40pm

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

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i tried that on the breitbarts, but, yanno, it’s just a bunch of those stupid old facts. doesn’t impress them

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 5:38:26pm

It’s just weird how all the li’l nazi snowflakes who are so POOR LI’L ME I IS BEIN’ PERSECUTED want to get Eli Valley thrown off social media.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:38:36pm

It seems that, earlier today, Warren read some of the Mueller report out loud:

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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 5:38:41pm

So, my mother and sister want to buy me a new laptop for me birthday. What say you, Lizards? I’m thinking MacBook, but not sure what kind.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:39:09pm

re: #254 Shropshire Slasher

Thank you to all the lizards that recommended Chernobyl. Absolutely riveting, although the British accents are throwing me off.

Think of it as the Doctor Who translation.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:39:45pm

re: #244 The Vicious Babushka

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You’re not particularly smart are you Fredo Jr? Your father claimed that the economy under President Obama was experiencing worse unemployment rates than the Great Depression and he’s been coasting off the Obama economy ever since and taking credit. If you weren’t your father’s son and your father weren’t his father’s son, you dumbasses would be just another couple of angry white guys watching FNC but because you got gifted wealth, you’re that and the POTUS and First Son.

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CleverToad  May 7, 2019 • 5:39:56pm

re: #59 Eclectic Cyborg

Yesterday I was in the backyard playing with my two year old Goddaughter. After bouncing around on the trampoline, we got off and she ran back towards the house.

As I was watching her run, I realized that before long she wouldn’t be this small anymore and I’d be at her graduation, wedding, baby shower, etc. still fondly remembering how carefree she looked running across the grass when she was two years old.

I really can’t put into words how much joy this girl brings me. She’s one of the best things (along with my wife) that I’ve got going right now.

Treasure it. And film as much as you can, because the footage will bring it back again (and amuse her when she’s watching it with you)

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:39:56pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

So, my mother and sister want to buy me a new laptop for me birthday. What say you, Lizards? I’m thinking MacBook, but not sure what kind.

You lost me at MacBook. :)

Whatever works for you.

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Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis  May 7, 2019 • 5:41:24pm

re: #255 HappyWarrior

They’re the same people who need their own:
Social media pages
dating websites.
and I’m sure there are other examples I’m missing.

The Schlafly boy that created an alternative version of wikipedia with his own wacky beliefs, was working on a Conservative version of the Bible.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:41:26pm

re: #260 Belafon

It seems that, earlier today, Warren read some of the Mueller report out loud:

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I’ve been listening to it on Audible. How anyone thinks he’s clear after this is doing some very selective not reading the report at all. Haven’t even gotten to the obstruction part.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 7, 2019 • 5:41:30pm

re: #149 Belafon

At this time in in various presidential cycles, Joe Lieberman and Rudy Giuliani have led.

i don’t usually like to make predictions, cuz it’s an easy way to make yourself look like an idiot, but this year i’ll go out on a limb and say magic eight ball says biden/harris 2020

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 7, 2019 • 5:42:32pm

A warning from the Lawrence KS police department:

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 5:43:07pm

re: #269 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

What the fucking fuck?

Are people ACTUALLY THAT STUPID??

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:43:27pm

re: #266 Aucun pays pour les vieux ennemis

The Schlafly boy that created an alternative version of wikipedia with his own wacky beliefs, was working on a Conservative version of the Bible.

Oh yes, I did forget about those two. The funny thing is on Conservepedia some of it is pretty much stolen from Wiki’s original article. When I worked at the history magazine firm, I had to do some research on the Battle of Midway(we were doing a story on Joe Rochefort, the codebreaker who broke the Japanese code), and the Conservepedia article on the Battle came up and it was pretty much a plagiarized version of the original Wiki article.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:43:50pm

re: #270 Eclectic Cyborg

What the fucking fuck?

Are people ACTUALLY THAT STUPID??

Yes.

Yes

And yes.

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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 5:43:56pm

Anybody use Surface laptops? They any good?

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 7, 2019 • 5:44:02pm

re: #254 Shropshire Slasher

Thank you to all the lizards that recommended Chernobyl. Absolutely riveting, although the British accents are throwing me off.

i saw a gladiator movie made in england. the cockney gladiators and plummy oxbridge roman senators were very disorienting

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Jason Munro  May 7, 2019 • 5:44:22pm

re: #269 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Ha! I live in Lawrence :)

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:45:05pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Could it have been Professor Mark Stoneman for the Weimar class?

It was a woman. I popped over to the GMU website and scrolled through the faculty to jog my memory with no luck. I remember that she worked on the Holocaust Museum and gave the class tickets to the museum.

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PhillyPretzel  May 7, 2019 • 5:45:29pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

I have a MacBook Air and I like it a lot.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:45:50pm

re: #274 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

i saw a gladiator movie made in england. the cockney gladiators and plummy oxbridge roman senators were very disorienting

I guess that’s the problem. You do it in actual Russian and people will get frustrated with the subtitles. You do it with the actors speaking English but Russian accents, it sounds weird. And then it sounds even weirder if you just have them use distinct English accents. I blame the 50’s for why we imagine the Romans as posh Englishmen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 5:46:27pm

re: #269 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A warning from the Lawrence KS police department:

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earlier in that conversation:

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:47:48pm

re: #276 Teddy’s Person

It was a woman. I popped over to the GMU website and scrolled through the faculty to jog my memory with no luck. I remember that she worked on the Holocaust Museum and gave the class tickets to the museum.

Can’t think about who that may be. That sounds like a fascinating class though. My class with Professor Stoneman was basically from about 1800 to the present.

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allegro  May 7, 2019 • 5:48:16pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 5:50:11pm

re: #281 allegro

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What they really needed was a bar in each for people who get their news elsewhere, because it’s easy to wave that away as media bias.

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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 5:51:20pm
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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:52:05pm

re: #281 allegro

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Why, it’s almost like FNC is propaganda.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 5:52:48pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

Can’t think about who that may be. That sounds like a fascinating class though. My class with Professor Stoneman was basically from about 1800 to the present.

She might not have been full time faculty. It was a great class, and I thought that her giving us tickets was very gracious. I was living in DC when the Holocaust Museum opened and wanted to go but kept forgetting that you needed to get free tickets in advance. So everytime I thought about going, I didn’t have tickets.

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retired cynic  May 7, 2019 • 5:54:38pm

Juanita Jean has an idea:

Shall is a pretty definite word. It does not say, “if you want to” or “except for fishing expeditions.” It says shall. They could have said can but they didn’t.

I’m not saying that congress should also request Mnuchin’s tax returns, but it might be fun.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 5:54:41pm

re: #281 allegro

Hmm. Even among Faux viewers, 50% think the Mueller Report didn’t clear DT.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 5:57:28pm

local NWS office tweeted a pretty cool radar gif today:

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:58:43pm

re: #285 Teddy’s Person

She might not have been full time faculty. It was a great class, and I thought that her giving us tickets was very gracious. I was living in DC when the Holocaust Museum opened and wanted to go but kept forgetting that you needed to get free tickets in advance. So everytime I thought about going, I didn’t have tickets.

Yeah definitely a generous thing. I think everyone should see that museum once and one of the camps. I’ve been to three- Dachau, Sachsenhausen, and Auschwitz. All three moved me in different ways. Dachau I think it was just being stunned seeing this place that I had read about in the history books, Sachsenhausen was our guide explaining how he himself would have been a victim of the Nazis(he was gay), and Auschwitz- I just couldn’t stop staring at the portraits of the inmates and knowing that all of them were individuals. And it’s the latter that stays with me the most because every person the Nazis murdered was an individual. They breathed air. They laughed. They cried. And the Nazis just murdered them just like that. It’s why I have no patience for wingnuts who compare something trivial like being banned from Twitter to wholescale murder like that.

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goddamnedfrank  May 7, 2019 • 5:59:29pm

Question for Lizards,

Y’all know any cheaper options for this device?

I had an unscheduled power outage today that shut down the aquarium for a couple hours. The return pump back flowed as designed until the water level in the main tank dropped below the return nozzle, breaking the syphon. There’s plenty of room in the sump to handle the extra water but the problem is this, when the power came back on everything started up at once, including the protein skimmer which is designed to run optimally in about 8 inches of water. Because it was running in more like 12 to 13 inches of water it ran wild and filled up the overflow cup instantly. Luckily I cleaned it out during the power outage so there was plenty of room and it didn’t make a mess.

What I want is a 110v relay switch that just delays sending power downstream for a few minutes after it receives power for the first time following an outage, so that the return pump has a chance to get the sump back to the normal running level before the protein skimmer turns on. But I don’t want to pay over $60 for a simple device with a bunch of shitty reviews.

P.S. The other option I’m looking for is a float switch relay that refuses to pass power to the skimmer if the float is above the set level.

P.P.S I’m also building a 12 volt battery backup system that should keep the return pump and powerheads running for a few hours to keep the water oxygenated. If today’s outage had gone on for a few more hours things might’ve gotten dicey for the critters.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 5:59:58pm

re: #287 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Hmm. Even among Faux viewers, 50% think the Mueller Report didn’t clear DT.

As I said, I’m glass half full. People I think have their opinions on Trump and I think the majority is negative and won’t give him a second chance. And I hate to say this but the odds are due. We’re due for a one term President.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 7, 2019 • 6:02:11pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

earlier in that conversation:

Unfortunately, a large portion of their target audience read “Please be the latter” are now sitting on their roofs (still with the bottles of whiskey and shotguns), having retrieved a similar sounding device from their garages.

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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 6:03:18pm

He’s … oh what’s the word … that’s right, deplorable.

“As losses from his core enterprises mounted, Mr. Trump took on a new public role, trading on his business-titan brand to present himself as a corporate raider. He would acquire shares in a company with borrowed money, suggest publicly that he was contemplating buying enough to become a majority owner, then quietly sell on the resulting rise in the stock price,” The Times explained.

However, the tactic lost power as people came to distrust Trump’s public statements.

via Raw Story

I suspect the New York Times knew this during the election, but “her emails” was the sexier story.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:03:42pm
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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 6:07:51pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 7, 2019 • 6:08:57pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:10:27pm
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William Lewis  May 7, 2019 • 6:13:03pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

So, my mother and sister want to buy me a new laptop for me birthday. What say you, Lizards? I’m thinking MacBook, but not sure what kind.

Dell? < Grinning, ducking and running >

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allegro  May 7, 2019 • 6:13:54pm

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

This is why I sold the fish and parted with the aquariums (aquaria?) after my husband the engineer died. This. Right here.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:13:56pm

re: #296 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Your statement will now make me think of this comic (definitely NSFW):

oglaf.com

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:15:52pm

re: #297 Backwoods_Sleuth

My mom is one of those who reaches over and swipes one or two of your fries. My youngest called her out and so she makes sure to repay him when she gets some.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:17:37pm
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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 6:17:57pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:19:14pm

Betty Cracker over at Balloon Juice acquired a duck. It acts like someone thought it would be a cute pet, probably an Easter gift, and then abandoned it.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 6:20:18pm
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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 6:20:47pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 6:21:23pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:21:28pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:22:43pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

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I see they still take pride in their use of the Cavuto mark.

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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 6:23:00pm

Wink wink, nudge nudge, say no more!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:23:11pm
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Teddy's Person  May 7, 2019 • 6:23:58pm

Some voter registration goodness.

A campaign out of Texas wants to take a coming-of-age tradition and harness it into political power. Jolt Initiative’s Poder Quince/Quince Power effort seeks to turn quinceañeras, traditional celebrations marking a young Latina’s 15th birthday, into a voter registration event where new voters can be reached. “Second to churches, this is the best way to reach Latinos,” said Jolt Initiative’s Cristina Tzintzún Ramírez. “Nothing congregates or builds communities in Latino culture like quinceañeras.”

Quinceañeras are typically marked by a mass followed by a celebration with food, music, and intricate, choreographed dances featuring the quinceañera herself and her “court.” Some celebrations can fit in a medium hall, but others are attended by hundreds of guests, and while the quinceañera is too young to vote, many of her guests, Jolt Initiative believes, will not be. The group estimates that as many as 50,000 quinces are held in Texas alone every single year.

via Daily Kos

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 6:24:37pm

This is why I live in Michigan.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 6:25:18pm

re: #311 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They’re not forgotten. We’ve been hearing about these angry assholes every week from their safe space diners in the NYT about how they still support Trump even though he’s full of shit.

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steve_davis  May 7, 2019 • 6:28:02pm

re: #51 Teukka

And the obligatory poster :)

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Just spent the hour watching the first episode. This is fucking awesome. And we can talk about it, because it happened 35 years ago, so it’s not like there are spoilers involved. The historically accurate scene where the guy early on peers into the heart of the reactor is creepy and cool as shit. This is why you get HBO to do stuff like this. ‘Cause they’ve got the special-effects expertise to give what sure feels like a realistic image of a blown-out core.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:29:43pm

House Oversight and Reform Committee Chairman Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) sent letters Tuesday calling for eight current and former Trump administration officials to provide information for two of the panel’s investigations, cautioning that officials who block the interviews from taking place could see their salaries withheld.

“Please be advised that any official at the Department who ‘prohibits or prevents’ or ‘attempts or threatens to prohibit or prevent’ any officer or employee of the Federal Government from speaking with the Committee could have his or her salary withheld pursuant to section 713 of the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act,” Cummings wrote in the letters.

The White House has directed multiple officials to ignore requests by House Democrats to turn over documents to the committee.

The committee noted seven of the eight interview requests recently made related to the panel’s probes were either denied or remain unanswered.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 6:32:43pm

I just happened on the news that What We Left Behind, the Star Trek DS9 documentary, will screen on May 13 “at selected theaters.”

I’ll be there….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:33:43pm

I missed seeing this last night:

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PhillyPretzel  May 7, 2019 • 6:33:46pm

re: #317 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I am waiting for September. Downton Abbey movie. :)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:37:34pm

re: #318 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:38:32pm

re: #320 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:39:28pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 6:40:26pm

Trump voters==>

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:43:03pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:43:17pm

re: #322 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If Roe gets overturned, we need to pass laws requiring that women in families worth more than $1m must be required to take a pregnancy test before they get on a plane, and if they pass, must take one when they return.

(Only partially kidding)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 7, 2019 • 6:46:03pm

niterz, lizardz

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DodgerFan1988  May 7, 2019 • 6:46:28pm

But let’s talk about the Clinton’s Whitewater.
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 6:48:23pm

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

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teleskiguy  May 7, 2019 • 6:57:47pm
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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 6:58:01pm

re: #327 DodgerFan1988

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Yeah, businesses fail every day. But when a single business loses billions annually, yet keeps getting bank loans and lines of credit, there’s a very serious question of who those creditors are and what the terms of the contract signed really are.

There’s a reason that the FBI looks into your finances when you apply for a security clearance, Lumpy.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 6:58:50pm
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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 7:02:41pm

Remember when Jacob Collier asked people to send videos in and he would harmonize with them. Here’s a video of a guy reacting to them:

Jacob Collier Is Albert Einstein Of Music

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calochortus  May 7, 2019 • 7:03:05pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

So, my mother and sister want to buy me a new laptop for me birthday. What say you, Lizards? I’m thinking MacBook, but not sure what kind.

I have a MacBook Air and like it. But I don’t do anything fancy with it. Lots of surfing the web, some streaming, a little word processing and email.

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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 7:05:23pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 7:07:58pm
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Citizen K  May 7, 2019 • 7:08:22pm
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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 7:08:25pm

re: #335 Dread Pirate Union AFL-CIO

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Quick, everybody look surprised.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 7, 2019 • 7:12:30pm

re: #273 teleskiguy

The Surface is good (and cheaper to buy at Costco)

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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 7:12:56pm
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Chrysicat  May 7, 2019 • 7:13:32pm

re: #338 Eric The Fruit Bat

The Surface is good (and cheaper to buy at Costco)

But isn’t storage a disaster compared to even most other SSD-only machines?

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garzooma  May 7, 2019 • 7:19:23pm

re: #340 Chrysicat

But isn’t storage a disaster compared to even most other SSD-only machines?

Not a lot of disk space. I add an SD card.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 7, 2019 • 7:19:37pm

re: #340 Chrysicat

I haven’t found that to be a problem of the two I have had.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 7, 2019 • 7:24:35pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

For every 100 college kids I register, I can assume a net gain of 5-10 actual Democratic voters. Alabama, y’know.

I asked a class of senior college students (anonymous, on scratch paper with no names), and the margin was considerably better than that.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 7:28:45pm

re: #343 BlueSpotinAL

I asked a class of senior college students (anonymous, on scratch paper with no names), and the margin was considerably better than that.

Are you allowing for about a 20% non-vote? These are also rural community college students.

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Belafon  May 7, 2019 • 7:28:53pm

re: #343 BlueSpotinAL

I asked a class of senior college students (anonymous, on scratch paper with no names), and the margin was considerably better than that.

The kids my son’s graduated with here in Red Texas are far more liberal than their parents.

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Ace Rothstein  May 7, 2019 • 7:29:39pm

re: #261 teleskiguy

MacBook Pro.

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retired cynic  May 7, 2019 • 7:31:16pm

re: #346 Ace Rothstein

MacBook Pro.

I love mine, but it really depends on how you are going to use it, now and out for about 5 years in the future.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 7:34:19pm

Consistent reports now of 1 dead in the Colorado school shooting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 7:37:05pm

re: #317 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I just happened on the news that What We Left Behind, the Star Trek DS9 documentary, will screen on May 13 “at selected theaters.”

I’ll be there….

Thanks for the heads up! Now I will also be there. 🙂

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 7:37:17pm

Chernobyl. Wow.

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Charles Johnson  May 7, 2019 • 7:44:18pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 7, 2019 • 7:44:25pm

Probably there to threaten Iraq against Iran dealings.

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Patricia Kayden  May 7, 2019 • 7:53:36pm

re: #90 Backwoods_Sleuth

Pro-life!!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 7, 2019 • 7:54:02pm
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Teukka  May 7, 2019 • 7:55:40pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Chernobyl. Wow.

I know, right?

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 7, 2019 • 7:56:02pm

Tonight is the last night to enter token codes in the Albertson’s/Safeway annual “Monopoly” game, to enter tokens for the secondary prizes… so I go to enter some token codes… and the website keeps failing. They must be getting hammered with people trying to enter codes.

This is what happens when the last-minute rush has not been budgeted in the service requirements.

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Patricia Kayden  May 7, 2019 • 7:56:50pm

re: #351 Charles Johnson

Have to watch it then. I see that Tuca is voiced by Tiffany Haddish. Cool.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 7, 2019 • 7:58:12pm

Barr just sent a threatening letter to Nadler stating Trump will exert complete executive privilege.

Barr’s immediate impeachment MUST be put on the table NOW!

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 7:59:28pm

re: #358 Joe Bacon 🌹

Barr just sent a threatening letter to Nadler stating Trump will exert complete executive privilege.

Barr’s immediate impeachment MUST be put on the table NOW!

Again Barr shows he thinks the job of the AG is to be the president’s defense attorney.

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 8:00:46pm

re: #355 Teukka

I know, right?

Yeah incredible. This is one of those things I have heard of but don’t know much about. Definitely gonna be watching:

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 8:01:20pm

re: #354 The Vicious Babushka

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Fuck off Glenn.

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retired cynic  May 7, 2019 • 8:04:03pm

re: #359 Targetpractice

Again Barr shows he thinks the job of the AG is to be the president’s defense attorney.

Sen. Durbin is asking for signatures to fight against just that.

durbin.cp.bsd.net

Attorney General Barr’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee made it clear that he is more committed to protecting the interests of President Trump than defending the rule of law.

I do not believe that Attorney General Barr should oversee Special Counsel Mueller’s 14 remaining criminal referrals. I am calling on him to immediately recuse himself.

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BlueSpotinAL  May 7, 2019 • 8:05:15pm

re: #344 Decatur Deb

Are you allowing for about a 20% non-vote? These are also rural community college students.

Definitely different students!

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 8:09:20pm

Bit more on the Barr/Nadler business:

I’m rather confused as to what Barr is threatening to do here. The Report is already out before the public, the only portions that were redacted supposedly pertained to things that Barr continually insists cannot be released to the public by law. It was a supposed item of how “cooperative” Trump was with the investigation that he chose not to exert executive privilege. So how can Barr now say that the WH will do so if the Report is public and the things that aren’t are protected by federal laws/DOJ regs?

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uriel  May 7, 2019 • 8:15:06pm

re: #340 Chrysicat

But isn’t storage a disaster compared to even most other SSD-only machines?

I just bought a refurbished Dell Latitude 5290 2-1, which is basically a surface with the added bonus of being able to open it up with a screwdriver and upgrade/ change-out half the components, down to the network card and speakers. (Literally the first link google gave me when I tried to find a manual was a hardware replacement manual) It’s pretty nice so far, and since they were sold as customizable units, you can pick from a pretty wide range of options even in the refurb market.

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Decatur Deb  May 7, 2019 • 8:17:26pm

re: #363 BlueSpotinAL

Definitely different students!

Yeah—a couple CCs here and one in N. FL. I’ve supported kids registering at a 4-year school up the road, but they are advanced enough to manage their own registrations.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 7, 2019 • 8:36:05pm

re: #364 Targetpractice

Bit more on the Barr/Nadler business:

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I’m rather confused as to what Barr is threatening to do here. The Report is already out before the public, the only portions that were redacted supposedly pertained to things that Barr continually insists cannot be released to the public by law. It was a supposed item of how “cooperative” Trump was with the investigation that he chose not to exert executive privilege. So how can Barr now say that the WH will do so if the Report is public and the things that aren’t are protected by federal laws/DOJ regs?

And they cite Bill Clinton as precedent. That’s some cojones.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 7, 2019 • 8:36:07pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Chernobyl. Wow.

I suppose some viewers might take Chernobyl as an indictment of the Soviet system, especially the scene where an elderly apparatchik tells the committee to cut off the community from the world and not inform the population of any danger, because they don’t need to know anything — the state knows everything and can handle everything. But such problems are not limited to Russia or Communist states.

Although on a smaller level — Boeing’s behavior was certainly identical. They knew in advance of crashes of problems but instead of delaying release of the plane update, they went ahead.

I would also recommend listening carefully to the beginning of the first scene — the monologue about truth — it seems very pertinent to the Trump world we are living in now.

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Targetpractice  May 7, 2019 • 8:41:11pm

re: #367 Eclectic Cyborg

And they cite Bill Clinton as precedent. That’s some cojones.

As one tweet I’ve seen put it, Barr is telling Nadler “Let me walk on refusing to cooperate or I’ll recommend the White House bar me from cooperating.”

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HappyWarrior  May 7, 2019 • 8:41:17pm

re: #368 Hecuba’s daughter

I suppose some viewers might take Chernobyl as an indictment of the Soviet system, especially the scene where an elderly apparatchik tells the committee to cut off the community from the world and not inform the population of any danger, because they don’t need to know anything — the state knows everything and can handle everything. But such problems are not limited to Russia or Communist states.

Although on a smaller level — Boeing’s behavior was certainly identical. They knew in advance of crashes of problems but instead of delaying release of the plane update, they went ahead.

I would also recommend listening carefully to the beginning of the first scene — the monologue about truth — it seems very pertinent to the Trump world we are living in now.

Yeah I saw the old guy as symbolic for the failures of not encouraging critical thinking. I was more taken by the visuals. So dark and hellish.

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unproven innocence  May 7, 2019 • 8:45:39pm

re: #368 Hecuba’s daughter

When I first read the newspaper headlines, and saw the earliest TV reports, I commented to my family that how the Soviets balanced the pressures to cover up, vs doing the right things, would have huge consequences for the future of their government.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 7, 2019 • 8:47:19pm

re: #368 Hecuba’s daughter

I suppose some viewers might take Chernobyl as an indictment of the Soviet system, especially the scene where an elderly apparatchik tells the committee to cut off the community from the world and not inform the population of any danger, because they don’t need to know anything — the state knows everything and can handle everything. But such problems are not limited to Russia or Communist states.

Although on a smaller level — Boeing’s behavior was certainly identical. They knew in advance of crashes of problems but instead of delaying release of the plane update, they went ahead.

I would also recommend listening carefully to the beginning of the first scene — the monologue about truth — it seems very pertinent to the Trump world we are living in now.

There are similarities, certainly, but the Soviets were able to keep a lid on the disaster until geiger counters started going off in Western Europe, and to disguise, deny and obfuscate even after everyone knew something had happened there. This is like Boeing being able to hide that crashes happened, not parallel to what happened with Chernobyl.

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ipsos  May 7, 2019 • 9:02:07pm

re: #246 Ace Rothstein

Ask the staff at the Times Picayune about that.

The T-P situation is way more complicated than some of the simplistic reporting out there. The T-P didn’t sell out/fold because nobody in New Orleans wanted to read a newspaper. It failed because people in NOLA *did* want to read a daily newspaper and the T-P’s ownership bet that they didn’t. A few years ago, the Newhouse ownership radically trimmed back the T-P, printing only three days a week and going digital-only on other days. In most markets these days, you get away with that because you have no competition.

In NOLA, though, there was competition. The Baton Rouge paper, the Advocate, got a new owner who aggressively targeted New Orleans, starting a new edition there that printed and home delivered seven days a week. Turned out readers wanted that, and they supported the New Orleans Advocate pretty strongly - so much so, in fact, that it was the Advocate that ended up buying out the weakened T-P. But again, the T-P was weakened because its out-of-town ownership made the wrong bet against people still wanting print. Print actually won. And it’s likely that the Advocate will absorb at least some of the T-P’s remaining journalists once the sale closes and they’re able to do so.


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