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Hecuba's daughter  May 8, 2019 • 11:52:26pm

Entertaining — but Seth should know better than to repeat the lie that Trump wrote The Art of the Deal. As has been well established, it was “co-author” Tony Schwartz who was responsible for the entire text.

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teleskiguy  May 9, 2019 • 12:12:34am

My one thing about transitioning from Windows to Mac iOS.

Right. Click.

There is no “Right Click” in Mac iOS. But I hear it’s easier???

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 9, 2019 • 12:35:56am

re: #2 teleskiguy

My one thing about transitioning from Windows to Mac iOS.

Right. Click.

There is no “Right Click” in Mac iOS. But I hear it’s easier???

I don’t know how anyone can function without at least a 5 button scrolling mouse.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 9, 2019 • 12:55:18am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 1:15:07am

re: #4 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

I think there’s a little known notation in the Talmud to the effect that goyim from Long Island are almost Jews. //

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2019 • 1:22:23am

re: #2 teleskiguy

My one thing about transitioning from Windows to Mac iOS.

Right. Click.

There is no “Right Click” in Mac iOS. But I hear it’s easier???

Universal method is: Command Key + Click

Assuming you have a Magic Mouse, go to -> Apple Logo (Top left of screen) -> System Preferences -> Mouse (You may first have to click on the “less than” sign to get to the full menu) -> Secondary Click (Click on right side)

Assuming that you have access to a trackpad -> Go to Apple Logo (Top left of screen) -> System Preferences -> Trackpad (You may first have to click on the “less than” sign to get to the full menu) -> Click on “Secondary Click” (If you don’t initially see it make sure that the “Point and Click” header is selected) -> Now you can “right click” by using two fingers on the trackpad.

To make everything easier (IMHO) do everything above but under the Trackpad menu ALSO enable the “tap to click” option (again, if you don’t see it make sure that the “Point and Click” header is selected.) This will make it so that you don’t have to physically depress the trackpad to get a click to register but instead just will just be able to lightly tap your finger(s) against the trackpad to get it to register either a single (ie left) or two finger (ie right) click. WEIRDLY IMPORTANT INFO: Even though it is under the Trackpad sub-menu this is ALSO the option you need to enable to get the Magic Mouse to register taps as clicks (ie to “click” without having to physically depress the mouse clicker). IMPORTANT CAVEAT!!!: If you select this final “tap to click” option it will NEVER be in effect during the initial login screen, because it is tied to your personalized user account options which will not be in effect at that point, because you won’t have logged in yet (annoying but logical.)

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unproven innocence  May 9, 2019 • 1:34:58am

OT: —to be filed under Be Careful What You Ask For —or Category Errors
Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes
Algorithms that take down “terrorist” videos could hamstring efforts to bring human-rights abusers to justice.
May 8, 2019 Bernhard Warner Journalist based in Rome

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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2019 • 3:59:53am
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A Mom Anon  May 9, 2019 • 4:23:52am

re: #8 Patricia Kayden

It’s early, there’s bound to be some regrouping and thinning out of candidates as we go. Schultz was around long enough to stir up some crap and be forgotten. Bye, Howard.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 4:29:06am

In case any of you are railfans, the Union Pacific Big Boy steam locomotive is back in service after a full resto.

2019 Union Pacific Big Boy 4014 The Great Race to Ogden First Day Compilation

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 4:49:13am
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Patricia Kayden  May 9, 2019 • 4:53:37am

re: #11 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

So just another lie then. That’s all this administration does.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 4:57:14am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 4:59:08am
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Sufficient unto the day...  May 9, 2019 • 5:04:26am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 5:08:35am

Not surprised.
But, I find myself willing to pass a little praise onto ABC. For not including, or sharing a link to the aforementioned tweet

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jeffreyw  May 9, 2019 • 5:19:32am

Good morning!

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 5:20:17am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 5:25:04am

Winning

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 5:32:35am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 5:44:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 5:57:24am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 5:58:13am

Posting this again, because I want everyone to see what we are doing to our children.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 5:59:41am

The GOP Base.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 6:03:38am

re: #24 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Probably afraid Those People are talking about them.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 6:03:54am

re: #10 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

In case any of you are railfans, the Union Pacific Big Boy steam locomotive is back in service after a full resto.

As a big fan of trains, train models, and HO scale buildings (I am not that interested in running a train) I appreciate seeing these majestic beasts up and running. The big boys are scary powerful.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 6:04:19am

re: #24 NO SMOCKING GUN!

The GOP Base.

It’s one of the reasons I am learning Spanish.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 6:06:46am

re: #12 Patricia Kayden

So just another lie then. That’s all this administration does.

The administration backed Iran into a corner. We’ll take away all chance of economic recovery, and then penalize you when you fail to follow the strictures of the agreement that WE broke. Oh, and we’ll penalize all potential trading partners that wish to work with you.

Yeah. That’s a model for success. Idiots.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 6:09:44am

re: #26 Colère Tueur de Lapin

As a big fan of trains, train models, and HO scale buildings (I am not that interested in running a train) I appreciate seeing these majestic beasts up and running. The big boys are scary powerful.

Saw one video in which the engineer said UP 844 was rated conservatively at 5,000 horsepower, but in operation the railroad found it could pull far heavier loads than specified.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 6:10:16am

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

And people call animals dumb. We are a blight on the planet.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 6:12:04am

re: #28 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The administration backed Iran into a corner. We’ll take away all chance of economic recovery, and then penalize you when you fail to follow the strictures of the agreement that WE broke. Oh, and we’ll penalize all potential trading partners that wish to work with you.

You. That’s a model for success. Idiots.

The days of the USA as a bully nation are long gone. It’s not just about us anymore, and Trump and his half-brain trust do not understand 21st century geopolitics. Or 21st century anything, tbh.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:12:13am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 6:13:03am

Another Trump Campaign official being indicted for wire fraud.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:14:34am
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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 6:14:37am

My niece caught a Tool concert last night (or maybe tonight - not clear because of time zones.) She was blown away.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:21:49am

wait…what???

For just a $35 campaign donation, supporters are invited to “join the Team Mitch Cartel” and receive their very own shirt.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 6:22:32am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Actor Bill Paxton has died at age 61. RIP

Over two years ago

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 6:23:01am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Actor Bill Paxton has died at age 61. RIP

That happened two years ago.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 6:23:08am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Oh no. One of my favorite actors.

EDIT: It was true two years ago, too.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 6:26:28am

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

re: #40 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

Yeah, that was two years ago. If you didn’t know he died, you probably don’t know about this: Storm Chasers in OK, TX, and KS spelled out his initials: abc.net.au

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:33:03am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:37:43am

for example:

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 6:41:24am

Rob Rogers pulls no punches ever since the right wing owner of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette fired him…

It’s a miracle the flies are still alive.
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Chrysicat  May 9, 2019 • 6:45:06am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 6:45:11am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:47:47am
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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 6:49:56am

Trump gave away the leverage the US had on North Korea and got… nothing in return.

Trump got a photo op. North Korea got legitimacy and equal standing on international stage with US all while North Korea doesn’t give up nukes or missiles. And they’re back at testing missiles and expanding their nuclear weapons production.

Meanwhile, Trump blows up the Iran deal (JCPOA). Trump complains that Iran wasn’t complying, even as other members of the 6-party talks, and the US officials involved, also admit that Iran was in compliance. Now Trump backs out. Iran decides that they are looking to back out, ending a deal that delayed Iran’s nuclear ambitions.

Instead of being in place to give IAEA inspectors access to Iran’s nuclear program, prevent nuclear weapons development by tracking all the nuclear materials produced, access to sites, etc., Trump’s now saber rattling about going to hold Iran accountable.

What Trump’s done is basically told Iran that they should follow the North Korean model - nuclear blackmail works, and the mullahs who had opposed the deal will gain the upper hand. It’s the opposite outcome from containing Iran.

This is what Trump does all over the place. He’s creating chaos and undermining US natsec, all while ignoring what our intel community tells him.

That makes him a clear and present danger to US. His foreign policy choices all seem to inure benefits not to the US, but our international rivals - Russia in particular.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 6:51:55am
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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 6:52:37am

re: #48 lawhawk

The one piece Iran is missing is offering Trump a photo-op.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 6:52:50am
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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 6:52:53am

re: #28 Colère Tueur de Lapin

The administration backed Iran into a corner. We’ll take away all chance of economic recovery, and then penalize you when you fail to follow the strictures of the agreement that WE broke. Oh, and we’ll penalize all potential trading partners that wish to work with you.

Yeah. That’s a model for success. Idiots.

The administration’s actions on Iran also fucked themselves with North Korea — why the hell would Kim make a deal with a country that thinks it doesn’t have to honor the deals it makes?

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 6:55:01am

i was doing my morning ritual over at electoral-vote.com and they referenced:

Indeed, the most prominent anti-vaxxer in the United States may be Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., who is definitely a Democrat. As an aside, though, two of his siblings and his niece have just written an op-ed calling him wrongheaded on this issue.

i stayed for some of the comments.
big mistake

crackpot central
these people are ignorant and / or deluded lunatics

if you take them (charitably) as ‘honest’ they seem to be prone to or want to or choose to be manipulated by obvious woo/trickery/nonsense

it’s like they want to be “in on” something or belong to something the rest of us are clueless to. to be ‘smarter than’, or holier than, or……

like we see in so many other areas lately, so many people just want to be led around and told what to think by people really good at masquerading bullshit as brilliance

cultism. idiots
and
we work with them
we work under them
they’re driving the cars around us
we let them run local state and national governments
They operate on us
They prepare and serve our food
They prescribe drugs
Fly planes

gah

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 6:56:17am

re: #1 Hecuba’s daughter

Entertaining — but Seth should know better than to repeat the lie that Trump wrote The Art of the Deal. As has been well established, it was “co-author” Tony Schwartz who was responsible for the entire text.

I think most people are aware of that, just as we know that Trump does not prepare his tax returns, he just signs them.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 7:00:49am

re: #53 DangerMan

Brainwashed relatives refuse to vaccinate their kids because they believe that Gawd will heal them. The real radical Xtian nuts will post that their deep Xtian faith will prevent them from ever getting sick. Even when one of them had a heart attack he still posted this insanity…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 7:02:02am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 7:03:44am

I am hoping that the New York Attorney General will kill the NRA the same way they killed the Trump Foundation.

talkingpointsmemo.com

But beneath the surface, the organization is in turmoil. New York Attorney General Letitia James is conducting a wide-ranging investigation into alleged financial mismanagement at the NRA, while the group is embroiled in a messy lawsuit with its longtime image-maker, Ackerman McQueen. The NRA sued the Oklahoma City-based ad firm last month to get documents as part of an apparent internal investigation into whether the firm has been siphoning money out of the gun lobby, allegations that Ackerman denies.

Then there’s Carry Guard. The program — which offers combat training and liability insurance for shootings carried out in “self-defense” — was founded in 2017 to keep money flowing into the NRA’s dwindling coffers after President Trump’s surprise election left gun owners assured that, for the time being, at least, no “jack-booted” government officials were coming for their firearms.

Instead, Carry Guard has become a financial liability of its own. Multiple states have banned the program and are investigating whether the NRA violated state law regarding the marketing and sale of insurance. In a lawsuit against Lockton, Carry Guard’s administrator, the NRA alleged it lost “tens of millions of dollars” from the program after relying on assurances that Lockton was complying with state law. Numerous NRA members took issue with the program’s “sloppy” rollout.

Gun control advocates even gave Carry Guard a nickname: “murder insurance.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:03:57am

re: #55 Joe Bacon 🌹

Brainwashed relatives refuse to vaccinate their kids because they believe that Gawd will heal them. The real radical Xtian nuts will post that their deep Xtian faith will prevent them from ever getting sick. Even when one of them had a heart attack he still posted this insanity…

They do not trust Science unless it is being used to kill infidels or consume natural resources at a more rapid rate.

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Chrysicat  May 9, 2019 • 7:05:22am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 7:12:06am

Idiot relatives spread this Q shit that shut down a school’s fundraiser.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:12:16am

Trump, as C-in-C, has a lot of executive aces up his sleeve, which it seems he is preparing to pull out as things start to close in around him.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 7:16:19am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump, as C-in-C, has a lot of executive aces up his sleeve, which it seems he is preparing to pull out as things start to close in around him.

Ironic that incompetent ass has a bunch of “trump cards” up his sleeve that are only going to fuck us up even more.

It will take a generation to undo the damage Trump and the RepubliKKKlan Party have done to us, if we survive without breaking into pieces the same way the USSR did…

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2019 • 7:16:21am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 7:16:22am
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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 7:17:59am

re: #59 Chrysicat

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 7:18:30am

THREAD:

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 7:19:06am

re: #58 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They do not trust Science unless it is being used to kill infidels or consume natural resources at a more rapid rate.

the essential problem right there

science is.

whether you trust it or not

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:19:24am

re: #62 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ironic that incompetent ass has a bunch of “trump cards” up his sleeve that are only going to fuck us up even more.

They all seem to involve getting people killed, yes.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2019 • 7:19:36am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The fetus in that picture is way much further along than “6 weeks.” americanpregnancy.org is a bogus site with false information, anti-choice hysteria & offers NO PRE-NATAL HELP WHATSOEVER to women experiencing “crisis pregnancy”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:20:07am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

Yet another ultra-Orthodox Jew was publicly assaulted in Brooklyn yesterday. “Rachel Grinspan of the Anti-Defamation League says anti-Semitic attacks are not only becoming more common, but more violent.”

Has Ilhar Oman personally apologized yet for her role in this?

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 7:20:28am

re: #63 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 7:22:34am

CNN - The constitutional showdown between President Donald Trump and House Democrats is taking a grave new twist that threatens to embroil the nation in a deep political and legal nightmare that could last for years.

With almost every day that passes, Trump is providing a glimpse of how American government might look under a President who disdains the principles and pillars on which it is built.

His sweeping assertion of executive privilege over the entire Mueller report on Wednesday intensified the most serious standoff between Congress and the White House in decades and opened a hugely significant new battle over the nature of US democracy.

The move followed broad and repeated efforts by the administration to thwart congressional oversight, for example, by ignoring subpoenas for documents and testimony by current and former officials.

On Wednesday it also emerged that the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee is deadlocked with the President’s eldest son, Don Jr., who has been subpoenaed to return to the panel to testify.

But while Washington is consumed by the confrontation, polls and anecdotal evidence suggest indifference among many Americans about the momentous goings-on in Washington, which so far are not resonating much outside the capital.

A strong economy, extreme political polarization and the daily struggles of millions of people to pay for essentials like health care and a college education are understandably seen as more important.

This is one reason why Democrats, many of whom believe there is more than enough material to impeach Trump, are wary of taking that ultimate step; most voters do not seem to want an impeachment saga.

And any impression in the heartland that the latest drama is just another tortured episode in an era of political estrangement would have been reinforced by the theatrics in the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

A hearing in which Democrats held Attorney General William Barr in contempt pulsated with enough grandstanding and hypocrisy on both sides to turn anyone against politics — and in atmosphere, rather than substance, looked like business as usual in the divided capital.

Sigh…

I fucking hate people.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 7:26:51am

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep, and I know people around me, which is why I’ve cautioned against being overly aggressive in jumping into impeachment. Most people aren’t only not as informed or engaged as we are, but the average person on the street does not equate impeachment with grand jury investigation. They equate it with trial conviction.

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 7:30:55am

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

People aren’t focused on Trump’s malfeasance because they don’t know what to make of it and Trump/Fox continue to fill the airwaves with their nonsense.

That’s why impeachment/hearings are critical - every day you’d get hearings showcasing just what Trumpworld did, all the crimes committed, the obstruction, the connections to Russia. All of it.

And the obstruction starts with Trump, but flows through to Barr too. All of it.

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wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam  May 9, 2019 • 7:34:03am

This Constitutional crisis needs a Deep Throat who can spill the beans to some enterprising reporters. Releasing Trump’s tax returns would be a good first step.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 7:35:09am

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

CNN - The constitutional showdown between President Donald Trump and House Democrats is taking a grave new twist that threatens to embroil the nation in a deep political and legal nightmare that could last for years.

With almost every day that passes, Trump is providing a glimpse of how American government might look under a President who disdains the principles and pillars on which it is built.

His sweeping assertion of executive privilege over the entire Mueller report on Wednesday intensified the most serious standoff between Congress and the White House in decades and opened a hugely significant new battle over the nature of US democracy.

The move followed broad and repeated efforts by the administration to thwart congressional oversight, for example, by ignoring subpoenas for documents and testimony by current and former officials.

On Wednesday it also emerged that the Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committee is deadlocked with the President’s eldest son, Don Jr., who has been subpoenaed to return to the panel to testify.

But while Washington is consumed by the confrontation, polls and anecdotal evidence suggest indifference among many Americans about the momentous goings-on in Washington, which so far are not resonating much outside the capital.

A strong economy, extreme political polarization and the daily struggles of millions of people to pay for essentials like health care and a college education are understandably seen as more important.

This is one reason why Democrats, many of whom believe there is more than enough material to impeach Trump, are wary of taking that ultimate step; most voters do not seem to want an impeachment saga.

And any impression in the heartland that the latest drama is just another tortured episode in an era of political estrangement would have been reinforced by the theatrics in the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday.

A hearing in which Democrats held Attorney General William Barr in contempt pulsated with enough grandstanding and hypocrisy on both sides to turn anyone against politics — and in atmosphere, rather than substance, looked like business as usual in the divided capital.

Sigh…

I fucking hate people.

while this is all true,
and it’s also true that the senate subpoena is being pushed by an R,

all of this power-grab is possible ONLY because nearly ALL the senate R’s and house R’s have stopped protecting their jobs and responsibilities as a co-equal branch

instead they sit silently and so tacitly side with trump and the admin.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 7:37:18am
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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 7:37:58am

oops

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 9, 2019 • 7:38:37am

OT RANT.

Amazon Seller Central is perhaps the worst business experience ever.

Submitted all the necessary documents (TX id, W9) for the company I work for. My account was a go and suspended a few minutes latter. No reason given. All the email communication are robotic “we are looking into the matter.” There is NO phone number. calling a Amazon # and asking for Seller Central gets you a recorded message to use the email system. It’s almost like they are a fucking monopoly and don’t give a shit.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS MY JOB, I TOLD THEM I CAN DO THIS.

RC is trying to get a real number.

It’s beyond frustrating, I get that they need to verify info, but this is no way to run a business. It’s easier to do business with the MOB. You know they want money, have no idead what amazon wants.

/rant

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 7:40:06am

Fresh Air on NPR today is going to take on DT and the Deutsche Bank for an hour. I know what I’m doing!

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 7:40:14am

re: #76 DangerMan

while this is all true,
and it’s also true that the senate subpoena is being pushed by an R,

all of this power-grab is possible ONLY because nearly ALL the senate R’s and house R’s have stopped protecting their jobs and responsibilities as a co-equal branch

instead they sit silently and so tacitly side with trump and the admin.

and im gonna talk to myself and add:

every R senator every R congressman is ‘petrified’ of being primaried

what does this even mean?

trump is so powerful he can take your job?

it’s such a great job? ok there’s a gravy train aspect

but petrified? of a primary. or maybe losing the primary?

being out of politics - for a cycle or ok even more

but petrified?
is he really able to take your ‘career’ and future away?
do you have no future other than politics? even sessions is close to ‘rehabilitated’ (granted though his competition is Moore)

how great is this a gig to hold on to - i mean right now in 2019 - they’re not statesmen any more - how much grift is there to actually be ‘petrified’ of losing?

and therefore do absolutely everything to undermine whatever it was that brought you to washington in the first place (assuming it was something loftier than grift)

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 7:40:27am

re: #10 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

In case any of you are railfans, the Union Pacific Big Boy steam locomotive is back in service after a full resto.

[Embedded content]

Ah, last I saw of her, she was completely pulled apart for that restoration. Thanks for the link. Now I just need to see her and 844 pulling the same consist and I’ll be a happy old geek.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 7:42:35am

re: #60 Joe Bacon 🌹

Idiot relatives spread this Q shit that shut down a school’s fundraiser.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Insanity.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 9, 2019 • 7:42:47am

re: #71 Teukka

“BLACKS R THE TRUE RACISTS!!!!”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:43:35am

re: #77 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The border militia United Constitutional Patriots recently held roughly 300 migrants captive at gunpoint in the New Mexico desert.

According to police reports, some militia members wanted to take even more violent action.

an old GF of mine from Tucson moved with her husband to the desert near Douglas, AZ, right on the border. Last I heard, he had built a 30-foot “observation tower” on their property.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 7:46:54am

Thread on being a poor, hungry child.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 7:49:53am

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

I had to look up sunbutter.
en.wikipedia.org

“an edible food paste”

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2019 • 7:50:38am

re: #33 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Another Trump Campaign official being indicted for wire fraud.

“Witch hunt! Presidential harassment!”
/

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 9, 2019 • 7:51:14am

re: #87 jaunte

I had to look up sunbutter.
en.wikipedia.org

“an edible food paste”

Sometimes I just want to scream: “What the fuck is wrong with this country?”

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 7:52:44am

re: #89 I Would Prefer Not To

“…In Calvinist (Reformed) theology, unconditional election is considered to be one aspect of predestination in which God chooses certain individuals to be saved. Those elected receive mercy, while those not elected, the reprobates, receive justice without condition.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 7:54:03am

re: #89 I Would Prefer Not To

Sometimes I just want to scream: “What the fuck is wrong with this country?”

A number of cynical bastards are selling us an ideology based on the notion that we are all Gentlemen Yeoman Farmers living independently on the 40 acres we carved out of the wilderness with our own hands, that we enter into all agreements totally voluntarily and not out of necessity, and we need to government that restricts our freedom of action in that respect.

This is, of course, complete horseshit and has been so since it was conceived, but it continues to thrive in our American consciousness and self-image.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 7:59:16am

Grayson added, Republicans’ continued fixation with making it harder to vote is giving his own party a black eye.

“We’re sending a message to voters that we can’t win on our own,” he said.

Credit where credit’s due, a Republican got that one right.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:01:44am

re: #92 jaunte

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Credit where credit’s due, a Republican got that one right.

Good to see that. Too many Republican Secretary of States act like Kobach.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 8:01:55am

re: #89 I Would Prefer Not To

Sometimes I just want to scream: “What the fuck is wrong with this country?”

In a nutshell: Massive income inequality and extreme political polarization.

Also, guns.

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KerFuFFler  May 9, 2019 • 8:02:41am

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Just so people know, the image of a fetus in that tweet represents the tenth week of pregnancy or the 8th week of gestational development. A 4 week fetus is nowhere near as developed as that. It is unfortunate that “americanpregnancy.org” used an image that is twice as far along——-8 weeks vs. 4. This is what a four week old fetus looks like:

By the way, those frilly things below the head are not even limb buds; they are rudimentary gill slits.

Edit* It was Robin Marty who chose that image, seemingly out of ignorance, since they appear to be pushing back against abortion bans.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 8:03:06am

re: #92 jaunte

Grayson added, Republicans’ continued fixation with making it harder to vote is giving his own party a black eye.

“We’re sending a message to voters that we can’t win on our own,” he said.

And he’s absolutely correct.

It’s the TX GOP saying, “We need to rig the game in our favor or we can’t win, because we’re shit”.

Granted, it’s not an obvious or blatant message; it’s an implied message and sooner or later, just enough voters are gonna glom on to it - including reliable GOP voters like Grayson.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:04:33am

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

In a nutshell: Massive income inequality and extreme political polarization.

Also, guns.

Unresolved racial issues. You’ve got state officials who openly talk of how they don’t accept Loving or want people of other races to mix in any way like you did with that one Georgia mayor and town council member.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 8:06:15am

re: #97 HappyWarrior

Agreed. And those issues are driving all the other things I mentioned.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:07:21am

re: #98 Eclectic Cyborg

Agreed. And those issues are driving all the other things I mentioned.

Yep.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 8:08:08am

re: #89 I Would Prefer Not To

Sometimes I just want to scream: “What the fuck is wrong with this country?”

I also trace it back to a massive decline in the quality of public education that was set in motion by massive budget cutbacks under Ronald Reagan.

As long as we have people who want to “run government like a business”, they will look on education as another overhead cost to be minimized, and/or treat it like any other commodity to be privatized and handed over to the “free market”.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 8:08:40am

re: #2 teleskiguy

My one thing about transitioning from Windows to Mac iOS.

Right. Click.

There is no “Right Click” in Mac iOS. But I hear it’s easier???

Haven’t read the thread yet, but the magic mouse has a right click function. ??? It also scrolls, and I absolutely can’t live without it.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 9, 2019 • 8:09:15am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Good to see that. Too many Republican Secretary of States act like Kobach.

Grayson is a former SoS. Not extreme enough to hold office today.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:10:52am

It’s that extreme along with the reality that we’re in a world that we should be acknowledging the rights of lgbt people. Many conservatives don’t even acknowledge their humanity let alone that they have rights.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 8:11:04am

re: #101 retired cynic

Ah, GDF took care of it. I should have read more.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:11:18am

re: #102 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Grayson is a former SoS. Not extreme enough to hold office today.

I did notice the former in the article.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 8:12:34am

For those that don’t get the reference

God - John Lennon ( Remastered 2007 ) HD

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 8:12:45am

re: #90 jaunte

“…In Calvinist (Reformed) theology, unconditional election is considered to be one aspect of predestination in which God chooses certain individuals to be saved. Those elected receive mercy, while those not elected, the reprobates, receive justice without condition.”

The third most successful heresy of the Protestant era. The first, by far, is John Nelson Darby’s pre-tribulational rapture theological fantasy (“Left Behind” and related tripe) and the second most is the Prosperity Gospel which intentionally conflates wealth with righteousness.

The three together form a trinity of poison that has, for all practical purposes, destroyed Christianity in America.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 8:13:36am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:15:42am

re: #108 William Lewis

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Obama strikes me as a person who is temperamentally conservative. Not a bad thing.

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KerFuFFler  May 9, 2019 • 8:19:45am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:20:27am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 8:21:42am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

Who the FUCKING HELL needs that many guns???

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 8:21:55am

re: #103 HappyWarrior

It’s that extreme along with the reality that we’re in a world that we should be acknowledging the rights of lgbt people. Many conservatives don’t even acknowledge their humanity let alone that they have rights.

They see LGBTs as abominations who should be hooked up to electroshock and “corrected”.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:22:16am

Today on “Hoarders!”

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 8:23:26am

re: #111 HappyWarrior

And this is why people support gun control.

This clown has done more to keep guns off the street than any state legislature. He has 1000 guns or more, but he only has 2 trigger fingers. Did note a bunch of likely full-autos in his pile. He’s either rich enough to license them, or he’s going to jail forever.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:23:32am

re: #113 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They see them as abominations who should be hooked up to electroshock and “corrected”.

Yeah. And that’s where we are.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:24:38am

Think of the great cars he could have had instead of those inert weapons.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 8:25:22am

re: #112 Eclectic Cyborg

Who the FUCKING HELL needs that many guns???

Someone who can’t get any results from the little blue pill…

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KerFuFFler  May 9, 2019 • 8:26:42am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

This clown has done more to keep guns off the street than any state legislature. He has 1000 guns or more, but he only has 2 trigger fingers. Did note a bunch of likely full-autos in his pile. He’s either rich enough to license them, or he’s going to jail forever.

Except, ” The suspect was arrested on suspicion of unlawful transportation, and of giving, lending or selling an assault weapon,”.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 8:26:58am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

Yikes.
“A man was arrested after authorities found the massive cache of weapons at a home in an upscale neighborhood popular with celebrities.”

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That is just one of the piles of guns being sorted.

Most of what I am seeing are either very nice or very collectible antiques (what the government calls “Curios and Relics”). While larger than most, I’m not seeing an inherent danger in this photo. What got the guy busted?

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 8:27:10am

re: #95 KerFuFFler

Just so people know, the image of a fetus in that tweet represents the tenth week of pregnancy or the 8th week of gestational development. A 4 week fetus is nowhere near as developed as that. It is unfortunate that “americanpregnancy.org” used an image that is twice as far along——-8 weeks vs. 4. This is what a four week old fetus looks like:

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By the way, those frilly things below the head are not even limb buds; they are rudimentary gill slits.

Edit* It was Robin Marty who chose that image, seemingly out of ignorance, since they appear to be pushing back against abortion bans.

If I remember my biology right, it takes quite a while into the pregnancy to recognize the species of a fetus. Which opens up another can of worms if miscarriages are to be prosecuted and investigated.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 8:29:10am

re: #120 William Lewis

Most of what I am seeing are either very nice or very collectible antiques (what the government calls “Curios and Relics”). While larger than most, I’m not seeing an inherent danger in this photo. What got the guy busted?

That’s only part of his cache. The rest is probably less relicky…

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 8:29:28am
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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 8:30:36am

re: #119 KerFuFFler

Except, ” The suspect was arrested on suspicion of unlawful transportation, and of giving, lending or selling an assault weapon,”.

Things listed as assault weapons in CA are legal costume jewelry in most places. He’s no greater threat than that presented by a kid with a legal autoloading shotgun in his trunk.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 8:31:48am

re: #124 Decatur Deb

Things listed as assault weapons in CA are legal costume jewelry in most places. He’s no greater threat than that presented by a kid with a legal autoloading shotgun in his trunk.

It only takes one gun to commit a mass shooting

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 8:31:49am

What do you know, he owned up to his bio mistake…

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 8:35:04am

re: #125 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It only takes one gun to commit a mass shooting

Yup, and 1000 guns does not invite 1000 mass shootings. I worry about some of my neighbors with a couple guns. I don’t worry about anyone for having more guns than they can carry at a run.

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KerFuFFler  May 9, 2019 • 8:35:28am

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s only part of his cache. The rest is probably less relicky…

Yup.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 8:36:10am

re: #120 William Lewis

Most of what I am seeing are either very nice or very collectible antiques (what the government calls “Curios and Relics”). While larger than most, I’m not seeing an inherent danger in this photo. What got the guy busted?

From what I’ve been able to gather here and there, he was apparently selling them illegally.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:36:35am

re: #126 Teukka

Not knowing the name of the university he claims to have attended casts some doubt on the value of his book.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:37:14am

re: #126 Teukka

He is an alumnus of Toastmasters International, though.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 8:37:36am

re: #130 jaunte

Not knowing the name of the university he claims to have attended casts some doubt on the value of his book.

Also, who was enrolled in a Swedish Uni at a given time is public record as far as I can recall.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:38:29am
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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:39:36am

re: #132 Teukka

You could be on the verge of making him change his bio again.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:40:22am

re: #133 jaunte

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Hungary is the closest thing Europe has to a Fascist state.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 8:40:47am

re: #72 Eclectic Cyborg

I read yesterday that the polls showing the majority opposes impeachment, if looked at more deeply, really show that the polls are skewed by people identifying as Republican: something like 90% of them oppose it. I don’t remember the exact figures, naturally, but it was something like that.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 8:40:50am

re: #87 jaunte

I had to look up sunbutter.
en.wikipedia.org

“an edible food paste”

Well, it’s the equivalent of peanut butter, but made with sunflower seed; non-allergenic. Don’t know what it tastes like. By the definition above, peanut butter is an edible food paste. Not a defense, but getting upset over the the sunflower-seed-butter is not the issue.

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Shropshire Slasher  May 9, 2019 • 8:41:42am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

Lucky no one got killed!

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 8:41:45am

re: #137 Colère Tueur de Lapin

True, the real issue is the insistence of the school authorities in shaming the students.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 8:42:57am

re: #129 Dr Lizardo

From what I’ve been able to gather here and there, he was apparently selling them illegally.

The interesting thing will be to find out if he was selling illegally according to California state law or US federal law. Then the courts get to have the real fun deciding which is valid in this case and etc. If the gentleman can afford this many guns, he’ll have a good attorney and the case could get to be 1) messy and 2) drawn out over years. Meanwhile all those firearms will sit in an evidence locker somewhere rusting away. Much doesn’t bother me but there are a couple of old Webleys and Smith & Wesson revolvers I wish he’d have given to me first :D

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 8:44:02am

re: #79 I Would Prefer Not To

OT RANT.

Amazon Seller Central is perhaps the worst business experience ever.

Submitted all the necessary documents (TX id, W9) for the company I work for. My account was a go and suspended a few minutes latter. No reason given. All the email communication are robotic “we are looking into the matter.” There is NO phone number. calling a Amazon # and asking for Seller Central gets you a recorded message to use the email system. It’s almost like they are a fucking monopoly and don’t give a shit.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THIS IS MY JOB, I TOLD THEM I CAN DO THIS.

RC is trying to get a real number.

It’s beyond frustrating, I get that they need to verify info, but this is no way to run a business. It’s easier to do business with the MOB. You know they want money, have no idead what amazon wants.

/rant

And I have not heard back! I’m trying. Will push again right now.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 8:44:35am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

Yikes.
“A man was arrested after authorities found the massive cache of weapons at a home in an upscale neighborhood popular with celebrities.”

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That is just one of the piles of guns being sorted.

- a thousand guns
- ‘stacked’ from room to room - not displayed like any kind of ‘collection’
- it’s not about why, or ‘what if’…. because most (not all) are probably perfectly legal

it’s that with this number, unless he literally, just likes to look at them, he’s likely trading in them - buying and selling - and, im gonna guess, likely to people who shouldnt oughta have them, but hey, im an individual and i dont have to vet the buyer

IF im right, this is why every transfer should require vetting or strict liability on the seller. otherwise the idea that felons, the mentally ill, terrorists etc dont have access to guns because of ‘background checks’ is meaningless.

he’s a dealer without the license and scrutiny

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 8:45:33am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

If a person had that many of anything; newspapers, cats, birds, etc. it it considered hoarding and unhealthy, why is it not viewed as the mental disorder that it is when guns are involved?

Yes, that was a rhetorical question.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 9, 2019 • 8:47:12am

re: #141 retired cynic

And I have not heard back! I’m trying. Will push again right now.

I can only offer you thanks, and pillows

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 8:48:01am

re: #143 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If a person had that many of anything; newspapers, cats, birds, etc. it it considered hoarding and unhealthy, why is it not viewed as the mental disorder that it is when guns are involved?

Yes, that was a rhetorical question.

inventory

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 8:51:14am

re: #143 Colère Tueur de Lapin

If a person had that many of anything; newspapers, cats, birds, etc. it it considered hoarding and unhealthy, why is it not viewed as the mental disorder that it is when guns are involved?

Yes, that was a rhetorical question.

Owning a lot of something does not qualify it as a mental disorder. If it is collected compulsively and stored haphazardly, especially to the point of being a danger to health and safety, then we are looking at signs of mental disorder.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 8:51:22am

re: #139 jaunte

True, the real issue is the insistence on the school authorities shaming the students.

Perzactly. The individual method of the shunning is irrelevant. Kid has no money? Feed her. Fuck it, do the right thing and just make all school food (lunch, breakfast, after-school snack) part of the budget and feed everyone.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 8:53:34am

re: #146 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Owning a lot of something does not qualify it as a mental disorder. If it is collected compulsively and stored haphazardly, especially to the point of being a danger to health and safety, then we are looking at signs of mental disorder.

The description of how these guns were stored does qualify. Unless it is (as DangerMan noted) inventory. And then we need a dealers license.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 9, 2019 • 8:53:39am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 8:54:41am

re: #149 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

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And I hope people remember me as a pumpkin pie.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 8:55:46am

re: #149 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Not to pick on looks, but her expressions never convey what I consider to be an open and honest look. She doesn’t even play the spokes-rat part well.

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Barefoot Grin  May 9, 2019 • 8:56:43am

re: #126 Teukka

What do you know, he owned up to his bio mistake…

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If you went to Indiana University you’d know, for example, that it is never ever University of Indiana.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 8:57:45am

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 8:58:21am

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

If you went to Indiana University you’d know, for example, that it is never ever University of Indiana.

Same with LU…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:00:40am

re: #154 Teukka

Same with LU…

Or University of Arizona vs Arizona State University
(I attended both btw.)

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:04:07am

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

If anyone who went to University of Texas hears someone call it TU, they know that person is an Aggie.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 9, 2019 • 9:05:53am

re: #156 jaunte

If anyone who went to University of Texas hears someone call it TU, they know that person is an Aggie.

What’s an ‘Aggie’?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:06:56am

re: #157 Colère Tueur de Lapin

What’s an ‘Aggie’?

a kind of marble?

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:06:58am

re: #157 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Someone who went to Texas A&M (Agricultural and Mechanical). Like Rick Perry, or Louis Gohmert.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:07:39am

There is a very good small museum in Anniston, based on the donated weapons collection of a life-long ordnance expert.

(Side-story: He and a French woman were both Intelligence operatives in N. Africa, each set to determine if the other was a double agent. They weren’t, so they got married.)

exploreamag.org

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:07:54am

re: #159 jaunte

Someone who went to Texas A&M (Agricultural and Mechanical). Like Rick Perry, or Louis Gohmert.

Where Perry, now the US Secretary of Energy, got a C in a class entitled “Meats”.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:08:32am

Meats is complicated!

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:09:13am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Where Perry, now the US Secretary of Energy, got a C in a class entitled “Meats”.

Good thing they didn’t put him in charge of the bonfire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:09:31am

re: #162 jaunte

Meats is complicated!

Remedial Meats

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:10:02am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Remedial Meats

Meat Paste Food.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:12:57am

Hooray, I just passed 117,500 points, a miliestone toward my half-way goal of 125K.

I have set a lifetime target of 250K points here before I shuffle off my lizard skin for good…

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2019 • 9:14:35am

re: #161 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Where Perry, now the US Secretary of Energy, got a C in a class entitled “Meats”.

Almost forgot about Perry.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:15:02am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Almost forgot about Perry.

I had heard rumors he was leaving but I guess that was unfounded.

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2019 • 9:15:24am

re: #159 jaunte

Someone who went to Texas A&M (Agricultural and Mechanical). Like Rick Perry, or Louis Gohmert.

Or some one who went to New Mexico State University, Las Cruces. Like, somebody…

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 9:15:51am

re: #108 William Lewis

Would someone define atavism for me? I can’t seem to find a good one that makes sense in a political context.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:16:13am

re: #167 Sir John Barron

Almost forgot about Perry.

Never would have guessed he’d be about the least criminal/damaging of the Trump cabinet.

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Smith25's Liberal Thighs  May 9, 2019 • 9:16:37am

re: #92 jaunte

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Credit where credit’s due, a Republican got that one right.

I’ve met Trey several times. He is a good guy. Wishy washy as hell, but a good guy nonetheless.

He lost to Rand Paul in the Republican Primary in 2010 for US Senator. Wasn’t extreme enough. I got (somehow) invited to a sit down meeting with Trey and some local republicans as he campaigned. There were about 20 of us. I was the only non-republican. The Tea-Party types were pushing him and pushing him. Lots of stupid stuff said about President Obama, bailouts, everything you would expect. Trey tried to answer the questions in a nice way- he couldn’t call these people out; he would have no chance of winning- and his lack of standing up for himself guaranteed he could get none of their support. I still don’t know how I got invited. It amazed me how a group of people supposedly as educated as they were could get so many basic facts wrong.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 9:17:04am

re: #114 jaunte

Today on “Hoarders!”

That guy has a hoarding problem, which is a mental condition that is obviously way off the deep end. Just because they don’t poop on the floors doesn’t mean he doesn’t have problems.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:17:05am

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Never would have guessed he’d be about the least criminal/damaging of the Trump cabinet.

He may be being more quiet about. But yeah I am surprised that he seems to be the least unethical one of the bunch.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2019 • 9:17:31am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:19:00am

re: #168 HappyWarrior

I had heard rumors he was leaving but I guess that was unfounded.

They can’t find anyone less qualified to replace him…

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2019 • 9:19:13am

re: #137 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Well, it’s the equivalent of peanut butter, but made with sunflower seed; non-allergenic. Don’t know what it tastes like. By the definition above, peanut butter is an edible food paste. Not a defense, but getting upset over the the sunflower-seed-butter is not the issue.

Do they even offer peanut butter at schools any longer because of the widespread problems with peanut allergies?

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:20:09am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They can’t find anyone less qualified to replace him…

Pfft as if that stopped them when they fired Mattis. We still have an acting Defense Secretary and no sign of a permanent one.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 9:22:26am

re: #152 Barefoot Grin

If you went to Indiana University you’d know, for example, that it is never ever University of Indiana.

my brother went to wharton (univ of pa)

he had a shirt like this

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2019 • 9:23:55am

re: #169 wrenchwench

Or some one who went to New Mexico State University, Las Cruces. Like, somebody…

Hey I went there, for grad school anyway.

Yeah, I’m now familiar with aggies….

I think Utah State is also an Aggie school. UC Davis too.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 9, 2019 • 9:24:04am

re: #151 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Not to pick on looks, but her expressions never convey what I consider to be an open and honest look. She doesn’t even play the spokes-rat part well.

She knows she’s lying and unlike Baghdad Bob, knows that the worse that can happen to her is getting fired.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2019 • 9:24:41am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Pfft as if that stopped them when they fired Mattis. We still have an acting Defense Secretary and no sign of a permanent one.

djt might have forgotten that Energy is a cabinet post or that Perry is in his cabinet.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 9:25:01am

re: #176 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They can’t find anyone less qualified to replace him…

when has that stopped ‘em?
anyone can ‘act’

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 9:25:16am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Pfft as if that stopped them when they fired Mattis. We still have an acting Defense Secretary and no sign of a permanent one.

gmta

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:25:34am

re: #166 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Hooray, I just passed 117,500 points, a milietone towards my half-way goal of 125K.

I have set a lifetime target of 250K points here before I shuffle off my lizard skin for good…

So, if we tip generously it hastens your departure?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:25:51am

re: #181 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

She knows she’s lying and unlike Baghdad Bob, knows that the worse that can happen to her is getting fired.

Trump will never fire her unless she starts doing her job.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:26:09am

re: #182 Sir John Barron

djt might have forgotten that Energy is a cabinet post or that Perry is in his cabinet.

Wasn’t there a story that Reagan didn’t recognize one of his cabinet secretaries, the only black person that was in his cabinet? I can totally see Trump forgetting this. He’s so unprepared.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:26:39am

re: #185 Decatur Deb

So, if we tip generously it hastens your departure?

I will just slow down as I approach my goal…

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 9:26:53am

re: #177 Hecuba’s daughter

Do they even offer peanut butter at schools any longer because of the widespread problems with peanut allergies?

that’s the reason for the sunflower seed butter - it can be eaten by people with peanut or other nut allergies (according to wiki) en.wikipedia.org

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 9:27:13am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will never fire her unless she starts doing her job.

she was so stunningly bad at her job, rather than get rid of her, they stopped doing on camera briefings

maybe she’s got kompromat on him

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:28:40am

re: #184 DangerMan

gmta

It’s crazy isn’t it? Mattis was fired around the Holiday season and we’re nearly at Memorial Day and there’s still no permanent defense secretary pick or even names that have been considered. We don’t have a functioning executive branch. Trump likes to blame his problems on the investigation impeding him but you know what even Nixon still had a functioning executive branch while he was being investigated during Watergate.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:29:05am

re: #189 William Lewis

that’s the reason for the sunflower seed butter - it can be eaten by people with peanut or other nut allergies (according to wiki) en.wikipedia.org

Ahem… Besides sending Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third to the Senate, our fair city is the Peanut Capitol of the World.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:29:34am

re: #190 DangerMan

she was so stunningly bad at her job, rather than get rid of her, they stopped doing on camera briefings

maybe she’s got kompromat on him

She has seen things we would not believe: dumpsters on fire off the shoulder of Ivanka.

She has seen CNN chryons glistening near the Manafort Gate.

All this will be lost in time, like showers in the rain…

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:29:41am

re: #190 DangerMan

she was so stunningly bad at her job, rather than get rid of her, they stopped doing on camera briefings

maybe she’s got kompromat on him

She and her Dad are Trump’s ambassadors to the Evangelical community. If he canned her, he would alienate some of them I think.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 9:31:26am

re: #192 Decatur Deb

Ahem… Besides sending Jefferson Beauregard Sessions The Third to the Senate, our fair city is the Peanut Capitol of the World.

I’m not sure one of those makes up for the other

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 9:32:07am

re: #194 HappyWarrior

She and her Dad are Trump’s ambassadors to the Evangelical community. If he canned her, he would alienate some of them I think.

I thought that’s what Pence was for?

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:33:41am

re: #195 KGxvi

I’m not sure one of those makes up for the other

At least we don’t have plastic statues of Sessions all over town:

google.com

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2019 • 9:33:46am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Hey I went there, for grad school anyway.

Yeah, I’m now familiar with aggies….

I think Utah State is also an Aggie school. UC Davis too.

I knew it was somebody.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:33:47am

re: #196 KGxvi

I thought that’s what Pence was for?

True. But remember he didn’t want Pence, he wanted Christie. I suspect he’s fine with Sarah since she lies for him every day without shame.

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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 9:34:28am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

This clown has done more to keep guns off the street than any state legislature. He has 1000 guns or more, but he only has 2 trigger fingers. Did note a bunch of likely full-autos in his pile. He’s either rich enough to license them, or he’s going to jail forever.

My guess? They’ll send him to prison for being an unlicensed firearms dealer.

Because no way in hell does anybody keep that kind of inventory unless they’re a store.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 9, 2019 • 9:35:23am

re: #159 jaunte

Someone who went to Texas A&M (Agricultural and Mechanical). Like Rick Perry, or Louis Gohmert.

Perry wasn’t just any Aggie either. He was a Red Pot. These are the 12 Aggie kingpins who are in charge of the sacred bonfire every year, sort of the high priests. There are many other offices connected with Bonfire. Brown Pots, for example, are in charge of the porta-potties at the Bonfire site.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 9:36:04am

re: #199 HappyWarrior

True. But remember he didn’t want Pence, he wanted Christie. I suspect he’s fine with Sarah since she lies for him every day without shame.

That’s right… Pence was a Manafort plant, right?

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 9:36:17am

re: #180 Sir John Barron

Hey I went there, for grad school anyway.

Yeah, I’m now familiar with aggies….

I think Utah State is also an Aggie school. UC Davis too.

A lot of states have A&M’s, and I suspect a lot of the students get called aggies.

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2019 • 9:37:06am

re: #200 sagehen

My guess? They’ll send him to prison for being an unlicensed firearms dealer.

Because no way in hell does anybody keep that kind of inventory unless they’re a store.

The tip cops were acting on was for manufacturing. They found equipment for that.

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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 9:37:16am

re: #196 KGxvi

I thought that’s what Pence was for?

Mike Huckabee, at least, seems to able to figure out how to use Twitter. OK, he uses it mainly to tweet inane bullshit, stupid jokes and insults, but it’s some sort of online presence. VP Pence, OTOH, seems to keep his social media presence minimalized, except for the occasional condolence or “thoughts and prayers” boilerplate. Mike Dense probably IS one of the Admin’s contact points for the evangelical rabid jump-for-Jesus crowd: he just seems to prefer working behind the scenes.

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 9:37:51am

re: #191 HappyWarrior

It’s crazy isn’t it? Mattis was fired around the Holiday season and we’re nearly at Memorial Day and there’s still no permanent defense secretary pick or even names that have been considered. We don’t have a functioning executive branch. Trump likes to blame his problems on the investigation impeding him but you know what even Nixon still had a functioning executive branch while he was being investigated during Watergate.

We have a self-declared national emergency, where Trump is using the military and DHS, and both of those cabinet level officials are held by acting officials, because Trump wants to avoid a confirmation battle.

Trump is refusing to follow the rule of law, and McConnell is aiding and abetting because he’s not advancing the Senate powers to advise and consent and demand that acting positions get filled. He’s giving Trump carte blanche to do whatever he damned well pleases.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 9:39:02am

Sanity break time.

It: Chapter Two teaser trailer just dropped.

IT CHAPTER TWO - Official Teaser Trailer [HD]

Hell yes. This looks great!

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:39:03am

re: #202 KGxvi

That’s right… Pence was a Manafort plant, right?

Yeah Pence and Manafort go back somehow. Manafort and the Trump kids insisted on Pence over Christie.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:39:07am

re: #200 sagehen

My guess? They’ll send him to prison for being an unlicensed firearms dealer.

Because no way in hell does anybody keep that kind of inventory unless they’re a store.

Mixed bag—some of the weapons, like the water-cooled Browning, have no real value to a bad guy.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:39:32am

re: #206 lawhawk

We have a self-declared national emergency, where Trump is using the military and DHS, and both of those cabinet level officials are held by acting officials, because Trump wants to avoid a confirmation battle.

Trump is refusing to follow the rule of law, and McConnell is aiding and abetting because he’s not advancing the Senate powers to advise and consent and demand that acting positions get filled. He’s giving Trump carte blanche to do whatever he damned well pleases.

Exactly. He calls it a national emergency but he sure as hell doesn’t treat it like one.

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2019 • 9:40:08am

re: #206 lawhawk

We have a self-declared national emergency, where Trump is using the military and DHS, and both of those cabinet level officials are held by acting officials, because Trump wants to avoid a confirmation battle.

Trump is refusing to follow the rule of law, and McConnell is aiding and abetting because he’s not advancing the Senate powers to advise and consent and demand that acting positions get filled. He’s giving Trump carte blanche to do whatever he damned well pleases.

Trump had no idea there was so much ‘acting’ involved in ‘reality TV’.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:41:07am

re: #205 Jay C

Mike Huckabee, at least, seems to able to figure out how to use Twitter. OK, he uses it mainly to tweet inane bullshit, stupid jokes and insults, but it’s some sort of online presence. VP Pence, OTOH, seems to keep his social media presence minimalized, except for the occasional condolence or “thoughts and prayers” boilerplate. Mike Dense probably IS one of the Admin’s contact points for the evangelical rabid jump-for-Jesus crowd: he just seems to prefer working behind the scenes.

Yeah I think Pence is much more behind the scenes. He definitely was one of the people that pushed things like not supporting reproductive rights and LGBT rights abroad.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:41:19am
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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 9:41:43am

re: #204 wrenchwench

The tip cops were acting on was for manufacturing. They found equipment for that.

Probably machining simple full-auto conversions for some of the select-fire military stuff.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 9:42:04am

re: #102 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Grayson is a former SoS. Not extreme enough to hold office today.

wasn’t extreme enough either (even with Mitch’s endorsement) to successfully primary Rand Paul back in 2010

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 9:42:11am

re: #211 wrenchwench

You’re fired…. except someone had to tell him to read it off a script. His own catchphrase was a scam. He is notorious for trying to avoid direct confrontations, like firing people.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:42:29am

re: #213 jaunte

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And that’s not good. Abortions need to be safe as possible. I know some don’t like the phrase “safe, legal, and rare” but that does need to be it especially the safe and legal part.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:43:27am

re: #215 Backwoods_Sleuth

wasn’t extreme enough either (even with Mitch’s endorsement) to successfully primary Rand Paul back in 2010

2010: The year of the Tea wave. I believe Jim Jordan was part of that class too.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:44:47am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 9, 2019 • 9:44:55am
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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 9:45:34am

re: #206 lawhawk

We have a self-declared national emergency, where Trump is using the military and DHS, and both of those cabinet level officials are held by acting officials, because Trump wants to avoid a confirmation battle.

Trump is refusing to follow the rule of law, and McConnell is aiding and abetting because he’s not advancing the Senate powers to advise and consent and demand that acting positions get filled. He’s giving Trump carte blanche to do whatever he damned well pleases.

and every single R senator has got in line and rolled over

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:46:14am

Some food for thought:
donate.ushmm.org

Over half of Americans think Hitler and the Nazis got to power by force rather than through the democratic process.

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wrenchwench  May 9, 2019 • 9:46:20am

re: #216 lawhawk

You’re fired…. except someone had to tell him to read it off a script. His own catchphrase was a scam. He is notorious for trying to avoid direct confrontations, like firing people.

I had a boss send me a bouquet for firing someone I didn’t want to work with. That boss was afraid of hurting people, so he was glad I took the risk. Trump is afraid of being hurt himself by the process. As with almost all his dealings with humans.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:47:00am

re: #220 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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That’s okay. Trump will just believe Kim when he tells him that he didn’t know anything about it.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:47:45am

re: #216 lawhawk

You’re fired…. except someone had to tell him to read it off a script. His own catchphrase was a scam. He is notorious for trying to avoid direct confrontations, like firing people.

He’s a coward. He’s a weak person’s idea of a tough person.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:49:55am

re: #223 wrenchwench

I had a boss send me a bouquet for firing someone I didn’t want to work with. That boss was afraid of hurting people, so he was glad I took the risk. Trump is afraid of being hurt himself by the process. As with almost all his dealings with humans.

Yeah there’s a difference between your former boss who seems like he was genuinely aware knowing that when he fired people he would be hurting someone’s bottom line whether they deserved it or not, Trump just doesn’t want to have to deal with people he fires because he doesn’t want to accept personal accountability for hiring them in the first place.

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ckkatz  May 9, 2019 • 9:50:06am

From a couple of threads ago:
re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

Is anyone else having an issue with embedded tweets not showing properly?

em>re: #145 Scout

I have this problem 50 to 60 percent of the time I come to this site, only on my home computer. Never on my work computer.

If you ever find a solution, please let me know.

I have this problem (embedded tweets do not display, or header only displays) when my browser (Firefox on Windows 10 desktop) is tending towards being ‘maxxed’ out.

What works for me:

Short term - bring up the post in a separate window. Sometimes I will need to refresh that window. (To being up post in separate window, right click on post number link and bring up in new window.)

Long term - Stop and restart the browser using Task Manager

I generally have seen this when the ram usage on the Firefox goes from 3-5 gb to 7-10 gb.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 9:50:45am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Some food for thought:
donate.ushmm.org

Over half of Americans think Hitler and the Nazis got to power by force rather than through the democratic process.

And I’d add that one of the most common misconceptions is people thinking that Hitler was democratically elected to the position of Reichskanzler.

He was appointed by President Hindenburg, who at that moment in time, was fast fading into senility and Hitler owed his position to a shabby political deal between two former Chancellors (von Schleicher and von Papen).

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 9, 2019 • 9:50:55am

re: #186 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Trump will never fire her unless she starts quits doing her job.

Her job is to blatantly lie about anything and everything.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 9:52:44am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Some food for thought:
donate.ushmm.org

Over half of Americans think Hitler and the Nazis got to power by force rather than through the democratic process.

They never had a majority, but they were able to leverage their plurality into absolute power.

That is what checks and balances are about

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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 9:52:59am

re: #170 Belafon

Would someone define atavism for me? I can’t seem to find a good one that makes sense in a political context.

Deeply buried traits and/or organs leftover from The Before Times, that in a normal healthy individual are ignorable. Like your appendix; it doesn’t have any kind of useful function, hasn’t had since thousands of generations ago, we don’t think about it.

But if it bursts.

A lot of evolutionary adaptations (cognitive and emotional) that were useful when people lived in family-size hunter-gatherer groups… are toxic when allowed to express in an industrialized society. Especially paranoia about how anyone you don’t recognize poses life-threatening danger to you and yours.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 9:53:09am
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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 9:56:38am

washingtonpost.com

The White House revoked my press pass. It’s not just me — it’s curtailing access for all journalists. by the not so lovely Dana Milbank, but the details are frightening.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:56:41am

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

And I’d add that one of the most common misconceptions is people thinking that Hitler was democratically elected to the position of Reichskanzler.

He was appointed by President Hindenburg, who at that moment in time, was fast fading into senility and Hitler owed his position to a shabby political deal between two former Chancellors (von Schleicher and von Papen).

Yep. That’s also a misconception. And the Nazis never got a majority at the polls either. They were actually slipping from their peak vote popularity when Hindenburg who as you correctly note was senile appointed Hitler Chancellor. It’s interesting to think that Hitler and FDR’s time in office pretty much had no overlap give or take a couple months in 1933(remember Presidents used to be inaugurated in March) and Hitler killed himself 18 days after FDR died in Georgia. But that’s another story.

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ckkatz  May 9, 2019 • 9:58:00am

re: #110 KerFuFFler

Pictures show a bunch of AR-15’s, Ruger mini-14’s and m1927 Thompson submachinegun knock-offs. I think that I saw some M1A’s as well.

I do not know what California legal, but suspect that a few may violate that even if all are still semi-autos.

Guy has well into the 6 figure range of dollars tied up in this. I agree with the posters who already mentioned it, some sort of black market ‘commerce’ seems likely.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 9:59:48am

re: #233 retired cynic

washingtonpost.com

The White House revoked my press pass. It’s not just me — it’s curtailing access for all journalists. by the not so lovely Dana Milbank, but the details are frightening.

The people who think that being banned from Twitter is like the Holocaust will see nothing wrong with the WH revoking press creds and in fact will relish it.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2019 • 10:00:40am

re: #115 Decatur Deb

This clown has done more to keep guns off the street than any state legislature. He has 1000 guns or more, but he only has 2 trigger fingers. Did note a bunch of likely full-autos in his pile. He’s either rich enough to license them, or he’s going to jail forever.

It’s next to impossible to possess a full auto as a civilian in California, not even an otherwise transferable pre 1986 gun. Technically the Cal DOJ can issue something called a “dangerous weapons permit” allowing private entities to have them, but in practice that’s only for the security firms guarding nuclear reactor facilities, a few heavily regulated Hollywood prop houses and suchlike. There are some people who legally bought full-autos back in the 80’s and still have them here, but the law has been this way for a long time and the DOJ tries to get those people to give them up or move them out of State.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:00:57am

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Yep. That’s also a misconception. And the Nazis never got a majority at the polls either. They were actually slipping from their peak vote popularity when Hindenburg who as you correctly note was senile appointed Hitler Chancellor. It’s interesting to think that Hitler and FDR’s time in office pretty much had no overlap give or take a couple months in 1933(remember Presidents used to be inaugurated in March) and Hitler killed himself 18 days after FDR died in Georgia. But that’s another story.

I’ve often wondered if Germany’s Nazi problem wouldn’t have democratically solved itself if Hitler had never ended up as Chancellor.

Given maybe two or three more election cycles, with the NSDAP consistently declining in popularity, the history of Europe could well have turned out differently. I suppose Hitler could’ve tried another Beer Hall Putsch, but like the first one, a repeat probably would’ve failed just as badly.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 10:01:07am

re: #235 ckkatz

Pictures show a bunch of AR-15’s, Ruger mini-14’s and m1927 Thompson submachinegun knock-offs. I think that I saw some M1A’s as well.

I do not know what California legal, but suspect that a few may violate that even if all are still semi-autos.

Guy has well into the 6 figure range of dollars tied up in this. I agree with the posters who already mentioned it, some sort of black market ‘commerce’ seems likely.

Thinking passionate (irrational) collector selling on the side to feed the beast.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:02:07am

re: #230 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

They never had a majority, but they were able to leverage their plurality into absolute power.

That is what checks and balances are about

Correct. And that could easily happen here.

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KerFuFFler  May 9, 2019 • 10:04:20am

re: #225 HappyWarrior

He’s a coward. He’s a weak person’s idea of a tough person.

And he’s a dumb person’s idea of a tough person.

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ckkatz  May 9, 2019 • 10:05:04am

re: #233 retired cynic

washingtonpost.com

The White House revoked my press pass. It’s not just me — it’s curtailing access for all journalists. by the not so lovely Dana Milbank, but the details are frightening.

The White House correspondents remind me of Niemoller’s famous quote.

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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2019 • 10:05:16am

re: #235 ckkatz

Pictures show a bunch of AR-15’s, Ruger mini-14’s and m1927 Thompson submachinegun knock-offs. I think that I saw some M1A’s as well.

I do not know what California legal, but suspect that a few may violate that even if all are still semi-autos.

Guy has well into the 6 figure range of dollars tied up in this. I agree with the posters who already mentioned it, some sort of black market ‘commerce’ seems likely.

That was the stated reason for the raid. The guy was apparently an FFL holder but someone reported him for conducting off the book sales.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:06:12am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

I’ve often wondered if Germany’s Nazi problem wouldn’t have democratically solved itself if Hitler had never ended up as Chancellor.

Given maybe two or three more election cycles, with the NSDAP consistently declining in popularity, the history of Europe could well have turned out differently. I suppose Hitler could’ve tried another Beer Hall Putsch, but like the first one, a repeat probably would’ve failed just as badly.

That’s an interesting question. I think so but the problem and I think why the Nazis ended up succeeding electorally is that they were united but the anti-Nazi Germans were not. The KPD(German Communist Party) called the most viable alternative to the Nazis, the SPD (German Social Democratic Party) “Social fascists.” And I’ll be damned if that doesn’t remind me of Bernie or bust or Jill Stein and the Greens.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:06:36am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Correct. And that could easily happen here.

And the Weimar Constitution had serious flaws that Hitler recognized and exploited to his own ends.

There are flaws in the American system of government as well - flaws that could be used by an unscrupulous autocrat to transform him or herself into an American Führer as we can see now with Trump’s dictatorial aspirations. Trump is simply too ham-fisted - but the next Mussolini wannabe might not be so boorish and crude.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:07:42am

re: #244 HappyWarrior

That’s an interesting question. I think so but the problem and I think why the Nazis ended up succeeding electorally is that they were united but the anti-Nazi Germans were not. The KPD(German Communist Party) called the most viable alternative to the Nazis, the SPD (German Social Democratic Party) “Social fascists.” And I’ll be damned if that doesn’t remind me of Bernie or bust or Jill Stein and the Greens.

The KPD’s extremism (on orders from Moscow, IIRC) basically handed Germany over to Hitler on a silver platter.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:09:07am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And the Weimar Constitution had serious flaws that Hitler recognized and exploited to his own ends.

There are flaws in the American system of government as well - flaws that could be used by an unscrupulous autocrat to transform him or herself into an American Führer as we can see now with Trump’s dictatorial aspirations. Trump is simply too ham-fisted - but the next Mussolini wannabe might not be so boorish and crude.

Precisely. TBH I’ve grown quite wary of populism. I’m not saying that I oppose policies that could be called populist i.e. increased taxes on the wealthy, higher minimum wage, holding corporations accountable, etc but I don’t trust populism as a political movement. And I don’t think populism is how we’ll defeat both Trump and Trumpism.

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ckkatz  May 9, 2019 • 10:09:11am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Thinking passionate (irrational) collector selling on the side to feed the beast.

Certainly hoarder style situation is a reasonable possibility. Most of the firearms looked new-in-box/unfired.

I’m not a psychiatrist, but… it seems to me that sometimes, in order to justify this behavior, they tack on additional justifications. Such as defense of the ‘2nd Amendment’.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 10:10:35am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:11:56am

re: #246 Dr Lizardo

The KPD’s extremism (on orders from Moscow, IIRC) basically handed Germany over to Hitler on a silver platter.

Yep that was Stalin’s doing. Stalin’s FP was very interesting in the pre-war days. Moscow actually supported Chiang Kai-Shek over Mao and the Chinese Communists at first. And I think that was one of the things that eventually did lead to the split between Moscow and Beijing. Khrushchev just put gasoline on the fire when he did the denouncement of Stalin. The fire was already flaming.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 10:12:13am
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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 10:12:19am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And the Weimar Constitution had serious flaws that Hitler recognized and exploited to his own ends.

There are flaws in the American system of government as well - flaws that could be used by an unscrupulous autocrat to transform him or herself into an American Führer as we can see now with Trump’s dictatorial aspirations. Trump is simply too ham-fisted - but the next Mussolini wannabe might not be so boorish and crude.

Not in my wildest dreams can I imagine a 2020 success that resets the clock to 2015. We need structural fixes and cultural change. The structure can be done constitutionally. Don’t know how to get the second without tremendous upheaval.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 10:12:38am

re: #208 HappyWarrior

Yeah Pence and Manafort go back somehow. Manafort and the Trump kids insisted on Pence over Christie.

Well, Christie is a former federal prosecutor… can’t have one of those around your various “legitimate business enterprises.”

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 9, 2019 • 10:13:55am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And the Weimar Constitution had serious flaws that Hitler recognized and exploited to his own ends.

There are flaws in the American system of government as well - flaws that could be used by an unscrupulous autocrat to transform him or herself into an American Führer as we can see now with Trump’s dictatorial aspirations. Trump is simply too ham-fisted - but the next Mussolini wannabe might not be so boorish and crude.

Trump is just the warm-up act for what the modern Tea Party/ Libertarian / White Supremacist GOP has in store for us.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:13:57am

re: #253 KGxvi

Well, Christie is a former federal prosecutor… can’t have one of those around your various “legitimate business enterprises.”

Yeah true. Plus Jared hates Christie for putting away Daddy Kush.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:14:20am

re: #254 Rocky-in-Connecticut

Trump is just the warm-up act for what the modern Tea Party/ Libertarian / White Supremacist GOP has in store for us.

That’s why every election is important.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 10:15:27am

re: #245 Dr Lizardo

And the Weimar Constitution had serious flaws that Hitler recognized and exploited to his own ends.

There are flaws in the American system of government as well - flaws that could be used by an unscrupulous autocrat to transform him or herself into an American Führer as we can see now with Trump’s dictatorial aspirations. Trump is simply too ham-fisted - but the next Mussolini wannabe might not be so boorish and crude.

Imagine Nixon with McConnell in charge of the Senate.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:16:34am

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Not in my wildest dreams can I imagine a 2020 success that resets the clock to 2015. We need structural fixes and cultural change. The structure can be done constitutionally. Don’t know how to get the second without tremendous upheaval.

Changing the culture is just as important. And like you said, it would create an upheaval the like of which we haven’t seen since the ’60s.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:16:53am

re: #257 Belafon

Imagine Nixon with McConnell in charge of the Senate.

Yeesh.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:16:58am

How do you prevent this from happening again? I think transparent government that works for the benefit of all who call our country home. But I also think the government needs to stand on the side of marginalized groups loudly.

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ckkatz  May 9, 2019 • 10:17:16am

re: #178 HappyWarrior

Pfft as if that stopped them when they fired Mattis. We still have an acting Defense Secretary and no sign of a permanent one.

I wonder if _acting_ cabinet members are not considered ‘Principle Officers’ and are barred from participating in a 25th Amendment vote.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:17:20am

re: #257 Belafon

Imagine Nixon with McConnell in charge of the Senate.

That’s a scary thought.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 10:17:25am

re: #247 HappyWarrior

Precisely. TBH I’ve grown quite wary of populism. I’m not saying that I oppose policies that could be called populist i.e. increased taxes on the wealthy, higher minimum wage, holding corporations accountable, etc but I don’t trust populism as a political movement. And I don’t think populism is how we’ll defeat both Trump and Trumpism.

I’ve never been a fan of populism. Have always leaned towards being a technocrat. I like experts and people who know the fuck they’re talking about.

Populism, to me at least, be it left or right always seems to be based on some sort of resentment and emotion. Dangerous things in politics, are those.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:18:04am

re: #261 ckkatz

I wonder if _acting_ cabinet members are not considered ‘Principle Officers’ and are barred from participating in a 25th Amendment vote.

I’m not sure tbh. How many acting Cabinet Secretaries are we at?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:06am

re: #238 Dr Lizardo

I’ve often wondered if Germany’s Nazi problem wouldn’t have democratically solved itself if Hitler had never ended up as Chancellor.

I was just reading about how there was a plan afoot in the late 1920’s among the monarchists to seize power and restore the Kaiser. The Great Depression and the Nazis’ sudden rise to power derailed their plans, but they had basically greased the skids for such a move, Hitler just jumped onto the rails at the right moment.

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allegro  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:09am

re: #203 Belafon

A lot of states have A&M’s, and I suspect a lot of the students get called aggies.

Don’t forget us Maggies please.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:10am

re: #263 KGxvi

I’ve never been a fan of populism. Have always leaned towards being a technocrat. I like experts and people who know the fuck they’re talking about.

Populism, to me at least, be it left or right always seems to be based on some sort of resentment and emotion. Dangerous things in politics, are those.

Like you, I lean toward the notion of technocracy.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:10am

This is horrifying for a woman traveling alone

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:24am

re: #263 KGxvi

I’ve never been a fan of populism. Have always leaned towards being a technocrat. I like experts and people who know the fuck they’re talking about.

Populism, to me at least, be it left or right always seems to be based on some sort of resentment and emotion. Dangerous things in politics, are those.

Same. Emotion is understandable but it should never be the driving force of a policy. It should because it works or is just.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:26am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

How do you prevent this from happening again? I think transparent government that works for the benefit of all who call our country home. But I also think the government needs to stand on the side of marginalized groups loudly.

Every system will have the ultimate problem that it requires voters to be vigilent. Taking that into account, we abolish the EC, end gerrymandering, raise the number of House reps, and mandate automatic voter registration.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 10:19:58am

re: #264 HappyWarrior

I’m not sure tbh. How many acting Cabinet Secretaries are we at?

According to wikipeda, just two - Defense and Homeland Security. Of course, those two are rather fucking important.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:20:09am

re: #257 Belafon

Imagine Nixon with McConnell in charge of the Senate.

And Fox News instead of Walter Cronkite.

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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 10:20:12am

re: #253 KGxvi

r

e: #208 HappyWarrior

Yeah Pence and Manafort go back somehow. Manafort and the Trump kids insisted on Pence over Christie.

Well, Christie is a former federal prosecutor… can’t have one of those around your various “legitimate business enterprises.”

Also, wasn’t it Chris Christie who sent Kushner Senior up the river? I think the personal animus was too much to get over.
And in any case, I wouldn’t have thought Big Chris would have gotten along too well in the Trump Admin - mainly because he’s as big an asshole as The Donald, but way smarter. And knows it.
And I wouldn’t give his “former prosecutor” creds too much weight: he’s a New Jersey politico: he knows who he should and shouldn’t be going after.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:21:35am

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

Like you, I lean toward the notion of technocracy.

I like experts. Experts are why I have a functioning left cornea. The same is true in who I want solving government problems. I don’t need some douchebag who professes to have “common sense solutions.” I want someone who has taken the time to learn policy.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 10:21:43am

re: #270 Belafon

Every system will have the ultimate problem that it requires voters to be vigilent. Taking that into account, we abolish the EC, end gerrymandering, raise the number of House reps, and mandate automatic voter registration.

The only “perfect” system was Plato’s Republic… except for the part where it was based on a person who doesn’t exist in the real world.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 10:22:40am

re: #256 HappyWarrior

That’s why every election is important.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 10:22:58am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I like experts. Experts are why I have a functioning left cornea. The same is true in who I want solving government problems. I don’t need some douchebag who professes to have “common sense solutions.” I want someone who has taken the time to learn policy.

The common sense solutions lines always reminds me of George Carlin’s line along the lines of “think about how dumb the average person is, and then remember that half of them are dumber than that guy.”

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:24:35am

re: #276 Backwoods_Sleuth

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i’m fine with “slave owner bashing”. I don’t want the roads and memorials that my tax dollars fund being named after assholes who started a Civil War because they were butthurt that an opponent of slavery got elected.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:26:38am

re: #277 KGxvi

The common sense solutions lines always reminds me of George Carlin’s line along the lines of “think about how dumb the average person is, and then remember that half of them are dumber than that guy.”

The thing is too many people aren’t modest enough to admit “I really don’t get that issue.” There are some issues I will not talk at length about because I don’t understand them. It’s one reason why I don’t talk about Wall Street much because I don’t understand a lot of what those firms do. I want to know what I’m talking about so I don’t look the fool but unfortunately a lot of people like hearing politicians who do that and that does happen in left and right wing populism. Does anyone seriously think both Trump and Bernie Sanders have seriously studied trade for example?

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 10:27:03am

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Some food for thought:
donate.ushmm.org

Over half of Americans think Hitler and the Nazis got to power by force rather than through the democratic process.

well, over half of Americans think they have an above average intelligence

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:27:23am

re: #275 KGxvi

The only “perfect” system was Plato’s Republic… except for the part where it was based on a person who doesn’t exist in the real world.

Philosopher Kings. Yes and teenage boys dream of swimsuit models who like video games.

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 10:27:26am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

i’m fine with “slave owner bashing”. I don’t want the roads and memorials that my tax dollars fund being named after assholes who started a Civil War because they were butthurt that an opponent of slavery got elected.

We don’t give participation trophies to insurrectionists who fought to preserve the institution of slavery *and lost*.

If you’re butthurt because statues to goddamned Confederates who fought to preserve institution of slavery and took up arms against the Union, you’re not a patriot - you’re siding with the enemies of the United States of America. You are supporting those who took up arms with the enemies.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:28:17am

re: #282 lawhawk

We don’t give participation trophies to insurrectionists who fought to preserve the institution of slavery *and lost*.

If you’re butthurt because statues to goddamned Confederates who fought to preserve institution of slavery and took up arms against the Union, you’re not a patriot - you’re siding with the enemies of the United States of America. You are supporting those who took up arms with the enemies.

Exactly.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 10:31:09am

re: #261 ckkatz

I wonder if _acting_ cabinet members are not considered ‘Principle Officers’ and are barred from participating in a 25th Amendment vote.

never happened before

this and so many other things happening now are indications that ‘the system’ needs some reforming

when you have to go to the AG and ask him to indict himself, when the president ‘won’t be indicted on an opinion/memo, when congress cant dock pay without cooperation from the administration, when the president can block/delay a special counsel investigation / report - into himself, when you may be able to gain the power of pardon illegally and then use it on yourself and on and on

so many ways the system was never tested before, because
- no one ever thought to do these things
- no one person ever thought to do them all at once

- with a complicit party in congress
- and a press in absentia

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Big Black Mariah  May 9, 2019 • 10:31:19am

Took Wednesday off.
Thursday

Billy Strings

Billy Strings - “Dust In A Baggie” | Live at the Opry | Opry

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 10:32:44am

these damned people

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 10:33:21am
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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 10:34:10am

re: #277 KGxvi

The common sense solutions lines always reminds me of George Carlin’s line along the lines of “think about how dumb the average person is, and then remember that half of them are dumber than that guy.”

More than half, and yes I understand statistics

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 9, 2019 • 10:34:41am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:35:16am

re: #278 HappyWarrior

i’m fine with “slave owner bashing”. I don’t want the roads and memorials that my tax dollars fund being named after assholes who started a Civil War because they were butthurt that an opponent of slavery got elected.

If people want to display Confederate regalia on their own property in “celebration” of their history and heritage, then I guess that is their good right.

But not on public property.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:36:39am

Churchill was an asshole but the line about Democracy being the worst form of government except the other ones that have been tried was pretty right on I think. Monarchies are a farce. I hate the idea of titles being place on someone from birth. Dictatorships. Need I say no more. So we have Democracy and representative government where we can vote for issues and people rather than having people we didn’t vote for doing our bidding. And how we get the best possible government I think in the end is through robust education. People better understanding the world around them will make better decisions than people who limit their understanding.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:36:58am

re: #285 nines09

Took Wednesday off.
Thursday

Billy Strings

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Saw him live with my Dad. Awesome talent.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:37:41am

re: #290 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

If people want to display Confederate regalia on their own property in “celebration” of their history and heritage, then I guess that is their good right.

But not on public property.

Right. If you want to own a CSA flag or wear it on your shirt, go for it, I’ll avoid you because I know you’re an asshole but if you want your love of that regime to be subsidized by tax dollars, nope.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:38:05am

re: #287 gocart mozart

So when a white guy works his way up by tending bar or doing some other menial service job, then that is seen by conservatives as a great accomplishment and the very embodiment of their ideology.

When AOC does it, they treat her as if she did not deserve to rise above that position.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2019 • 10:38:45am

re: #253 KGxvi

Well, Christie is a former federal prosecutor… can’t have one of those around your various “legitimate business enterprises.”

But if you need a traffic jam or bridge blocked for some reason Chris is certainly the man to give the task to.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:39:11am

re: #287 gocart mozart

What a douche.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 9, 2019 • 10:40:09am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:40:16am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

Right. If you want to own a CSA flag or wear it on your shirt, go for it, I’ll avoid you because I know you’re an asshole but if you want your love of that regime to be subsidized by tax dollars, nope.

Also, no Confederate battle flag ever flew over a state capitol or public building; they had a national flag, the Stars and Bars. Flying a battle flag over public property is a provocation and and affront. The only time they should be displayed on public property is at a museum or historical site, and then in the proper context.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:41:45am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Churchill was an asshole but the line about Democracy being the worst form of government except the other ones that have been tried was pretty right on I think. Monarchies are a farce.

Of course, British democracy is still archaic and its power structures still derived from their time as a Monarchy. On the other hand, they are liberalizing while America seems headed in the opposite direction.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:42:05am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So when a white guy works his way up by tending bar or doing some other menial service job, then that is seen by conservatives as a great accomplishment and the very embodiment of their ideology.

When AOC does it, they treat her as if she did not deserve to rise above that position.

AOC infuriates them because she did work her way up and she doesn’t share their worship Capitalism agenda. Now, I would consider myself more centrist on the economy than Alexandria is. But, she knows more than I do about economics 1) and she has pointed out some very true flaws that do exist in what’s been called capitalism the past 30 years. That’s why they hate her. She doesn’t play their game. Add to that she’s a Latina who isn’t part of the old boy network and the resentment is even easier to see.

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Big Black Mariah  May 9, 2019 • 10:42:21am

re: #292 HappyWarrior

Saw him live with my Dad. Awesome talent.

Damn good. I saw Doc Watson and Earl Scruggs earlier in my life. Although I was never a picker I always appreciated good music.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:43:31am

re: #301 nines09

Damn good. I saw Doc Watson and Earl Scruggs earlier in my life. Although I was never a picker I always appreciated good music.

Oh yeah I’m not a musician at all. Always wished I could be.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:43:51am

re: #300 HappyWarrior

AOC infuriates them because she did work her way up and she doesn’t share their worship Capitalism agenda.

and because she is urban, ethnic and even worse, she is young and hot and they get flabbergasted and frustrated knowing that they will never be able to have their way with her.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 10:43:54am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So when a white guy works his way up by tending bar or doing some other menial service job, then that is seen by conservatives as a great accomplishment and the very embodiment of their ideology.

When AOC does it, they treat her as if she did not deserve to rise above that position.

“If a smart minority woman can go from bartender to narrative-controlling representative, imagine what a mediocre white man can do.”

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 10:44:17am

re: #293 HappyWarrior

We have this thing going on around our area now where a Confederate group is buying tiny parcels of land just off the interstate highway in order to install huge Stars and Bars flags.

Of course, Western NC was quite ambivalent (if not outright hostile) to the Civil War - especially after conscription was ordered. My dad’s family fought on both sides - the ones located in the mountains stuck with the Union; the ones in Central NC went with Lee’s army.

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Dave In Austin  May 9, 2019 • 10:45:49am

So by tDump saying his tax dodge in the 80’s’ was a sport. I guess that just gave oversight another reason to see those returns. And a valid one.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:46:20am

re: #305 dirkdigglerjr

We have this thing going on around our area now where a Confederate group is buying tiny parcels of land just off the interstate highway in order to install huge Stars and Bars flags.

Of course, Western NC was quite ambivalent (if not outright hostile) to the Civil War - especially after conscription was ordered. My dad’s family fought on both sides - the ones located in the mountains stuck with the Union; the ones in Central NC went with Lee’s army.

We never do learn much about the Southern Unionists do we. But they existed and they’re the ones who we should be erecting memorials to.

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 10:47:07am

re: #305 dirkdigglerjr

We have this thing going on around our area now where a Confederate group is buying tiny parcels of land just off the interstate highway in order to install huge Stars and Bars flags.

Of course, Western NC was quite ambivalent (if not outright hostile) to the Civil War - especially after conscription was ordered. My dad’s family fought on both sides - the ones located in the mountains stuck with the Union; the ones in Central NC went with Lee’s army.

Sons of Confederate Veterans has set up at least two—one on I65 north of Montgomery, and the largest known example on I4 (IIRC) near Tampa. (Both are battle flags, not CSA national.)

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 10:48:14am

re: #249 gocart mozart

Ben Domenech

@bdomenech
* May 8, 2019
I love my wife. I apologize for rage tweeting about how Seth Meyers treated her. I don’t like him, I think he’s a hack, but I shouldn’t have done that. I’m sorry to anyone I offended.

It would have sounded better without the last sentence.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:48:53am

re: #304 Belafon

“If a smart minority woman can go from bartender to narrative-controlling representative, imagine what a mediocre white man can do.”

Right. Lot of jealousy there. And I think that’s why Ben Shapiro rages at her all the time. She’s done so much more with less than him. She’s five years younger than him, a member of Congress, and voting on policy that impacts us. Him? He’s got his JD from Harvard so yeah he’s not a dummy but he spends his days not practicing law but bitching on Twitter at transgendered people for existing and liberal American Jews for being liberal and when he leaves his Twitter safespace, he goes to college campuses where he’s revered as this intelligent voice.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 10:48:54am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

Sons of Confederate Veterans has set up at least two—one on I65 north of Montgomery, and the largest known example on I4 (IIRC) near Tampa. (Both are battle flags, not CSA national.)

We should form the LGF group, buy nearby lands, and put statues of Sherman up near those flags.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 10:50:34am

re: #307 HappyWarrior

In fact, my mountain relatives are buried with Union grave markers. They fought for one of the N.C. Union regiments that originally based in Eastern Tennessee. The Episcopal Church I now attend was used as a prison during Stoneman’s 1865 Raid.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:50:44am

re: #311 Belafon

We should form the LGF group, buy nearby lands, and put statues of Sherman up near those flags.

Still proud to say I have Thomas Meagher’s brigade tattooed on my right arm. I’ve thought about getting something with my second great grandfather’s unit at some point too. I’m damn proud of that. He died before my grandfather was born but I’m always proud that he a newly arrived German immigrant no less fought for the Union.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 10:50:53am

re: #309 retired cynic

It would have sounded better without the last sentence.

It’s funny. If I choose to do something, the one thing I’m not worried about is offending anyone else.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 10:51:26am

re: #308 Decatur Deb

And I should correct myself. They are indeed installing battle flags and not the CSA national flag.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:51:45am

re: #312 dirkdigglerjr

In fact, my mountain relatives are buried with Union grave markers. They fought for one of the N.C. Union regiments that originally based in Eastern Tennessee. The Episcopal Church I now attend was used as a prison during Stoneman’s 1865 Raid.

Eastern Tennessee was heavily Unionist too right? I think that’s why that area was Republican long before the Southern Strategy.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 9, 2019 • 10:52:07am
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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 10:54:01am

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Eastern Tennessee was controlled by the Union throughout the war. And, yes, those mountain areas of Tennessee and North Carolina consistently voted Whig, then Republican, because they didn’t want tanything to do so with the Southern Plantation Democrats.

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Big Black Mariah  May 9, 2019 • 10:54:08am

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Oh yeah I’m not a musician at all. Always wished I could be.

You do not have to be a musician.
You can be a player. Never too old to start. All it takes is time and patience. YouTube is like free music lessons. You cut through the circle jerks and you can find real fine teachers. On anything.
May I make a suggestion? This is an absolute steal. Bought one for my grand daughter and one for me. Check out the videos.
Comes with a tuner too.
Donner Soprano Ukulele Mahogany DUS-1 21 inch with Ukulele Set Strap Nylon String Tuner

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 10:56:34am

re: #315 dirkdigglerjr

And I should correct myself. They are indeed installing battle flags and not the CSA national flag.

nothing but a provocation unless it happens to be some sort of historically relevant site

And has the South ever put up mouments to George Thomas, John C. Breckinridge, Bushrod Johnson, Samuel Cooper all generals or Admiral David Farragut, all southerners who served in the Union army?

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 10:57:30am

re: #306 Dave In Austin

he cant both imply he was brilliant and did it (everyone did!) and also call it fake news

i mean he can, but….

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2019 • 10:57:59am

re: #317 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

That isn’t it.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:58:00am

I mean I get why older Southern whites have their romantic ideas about the CSA. What I don’t get is why they refuse to challenge them. Even a great historian like Shelby Foote was saying into the 1990’s that he gladly would have fought for the CSA cause. I think he like so many whites of that generation and region grew up hearing the romantic stories about how Grandpa or Great Grandpa went off to war “for his country” and didn’t look at the reality of what the CSA was all about or if he did, he overlooked it because it would mean that it was somehow dishonoring the ancestors. I’m not naive. I doubt my second great grandfather whom I mentioned was a proponent of racial equality or even necessarily an opponent of slavery. The people who really frustrate me though are people like Iowa’s Steve King or my own state’s Corey Stewart, two Yankees who seem to love romanticizing the CSA.

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Skip Intro  May 9, 2019 • 10:58:24am

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 10:58:50am

re: #319 nines09

You do not have to be a musician.
You can be a player. Never too old to start. All it takes is time and patience. YouTube is like free music lessons. You cut through the circle jerks and you can find real fine teachers. On anything.
May I make a suggestion? This is an absolute steal. Bought one for my grand daughter and one for me. Check out the videos.
Comes with a tuner too.
Donner Soprano Ukulele Mahogany DUS-1 21 inch with Ukulele Set Strap Nylon String Tuner

Cool deal. Funnily enough, my Dad got one for himself and got one for my niece too.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:01:09am

re: #318 dirkdigglerjr

Eastern Tennessee was controlled by the Union throughout the war. And, yes, those mountain areas of Tennessee and North Carolina consistently voted Whig, then Republican, because they didn’t want tanything to do so with the Southern Plantation Democrats.

Yeah I thought so. I believe Andrew Johnson was from Eastern Tennessee or at least that’s where he was based before he became Lincoln’s VP. The part of NoVa where I live was a little more divided since there weren’t as many slaves here as there were in the Tidewater region or near Richmond. Much more small farmers and less plantations due to the terrain.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 11:01:10am

re: #294 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

So when a white guy works his way up by tending bar or doing some other menial service job, then that is seen by conservatives as a great accomplishment and the very embodiment of their ideology.

When AOC does it, they treat her as if she did not deserve to rise above that position.

Like Boehner.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 11:02:00am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I mean I get why older Southern whites have their romantic ideas about the CSA. What I don’t get is why they refuse to challenge them. Even a great historian like Shelby Foote was saying into the 1990’s that he gladly would have fought for the CSA cause.

Had one grown up in it, one might easily have come to see it as a worthy cause. I cannot judge people from history for doing what they did, even if I disagree with it from my modern point of view.

I do not want to think about what it would have been like to have been born in the 20’s in Germany and grow up as a youth/teenager under the Nazi regime.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 11:02:07am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Breckinridge won North Carolina, while John Bell also did well in the state and in the areas near me.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 11:03:16am
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:03:58am

re: #327 retired cynic

Like Boehner.

Oh yes, Boehner’s stories about his father’s bar were used as proof that Boehner the consummate insider was just a regular guy. Same thing with Paul Ryan working at McDonalds too and using the same benefits from the programs he wants to cut no less to finance his education. Yet they call AOC an elitist because she got a ride from her mother and that her mom now lives in Florida.

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ipsos  May 9, 2019 • 11:04:12am

re: #327 retired cynic

Like Boehner.

Yeah, but Boehner worked at the bar because daddy owned it.

He wasn’t the hired help.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 11:04:32am

re: #330 gocart mozart

“I had my hand around a metal baseball bat… if I was going to go down, I was going to go down fighting.”

Let us give thanks and praise to children who gave their lives defending our Second Amendment Rights…

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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 11:05:01am

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nothing but a provocation unless it happens to be some sort of historically relevant site

And has the South ever put up mouments to George Thomas, John C. Breckinridge, Bushrod Johnson, Samuel Cooper, David Farragut, or John Pemberton, all southerners who served as Generals in the Union army?

Not to nitpick, but wasn’t it the other way round with Pemberton? IIRC, he was a Pennsylvania native who went with the Confederacy for whatever reason, and ended up having to surrender Vicksburg as a reward.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:06:06am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had one grown up in it, one might easily have come to see it as a worthy cause. I cannot judge people from history for doing what they did, even if I disagree with it from my modern point of view.

I do not want to think about what it would have been like to have been born in the 20’s in Germany and grow up as a youth/teenager under the Nazi regime.

Well history is about challenging your inate biases. It’s easy to romanticize our ancestors. I certainly have done it and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it but the romantic image isn’t the same as the reality. As for Germany, I like to think I would have done the right thing and opposed the Nazis. I feel fairly certain I would have. I think this is why it helps to talk to people from different backgrounds.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 11:06:42am

re: #334 Jay C

Not to nitpick, but wasn’t it the other way round with Pemberton? IIRC, he was a Pennsylvania native who went with the Confederacy for whatever reason, and ended up having to surrender Vicksburg as a reward.

you are right. And Farragut was an admiral, not a general

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 11:06:44am
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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 11:09:00am

re: #326 HappyWarrior

Indeed, Andrew Johnson was a resident of Tennessee (born in NC). He survived being assassinated along with Lincoln when the guy who was supposed to kill him at Johnson’s hotel chickened out and got drunk instead. Seward’s assassin damn near killed him, so we tend to overlook how narrowly we avoided a true coup d’etat with the killing of the president, vice president and secretary of state. In that case, Connecticut Sen. Lafayette Foster (pro tempore) would have become acting president until a special election was held to install a new president in March of 1866.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:10:27am

re: #334 Jay C

Not to nitpick, but wasn’t it the other way round with Pemberton? IIRC, he was a Pennsylvania native who went with the Confederacy for whatever reason, and ended up having to surrender Vicksburg as a reward.

re: #334 Jay C

Not to nitpick, but wasn’t it the other way round with Pemberton? IIRC, he was a Pennsylvania native who went with the Confederacy for whatever reason, and ended up having to surrender Vicksburg as a reward.

en.wikipedia.org

You are correct. Breckenridge was also a Kentuckian who fought for the CSA btw too. I do agree with Wendell’s point though. Where are the monuments to the Southern Unionists? The CSA fetish crew likes to insist “They’re history.” Yeah and every state in the Union sent volunteers to protect the Union in 1861 even secessionist hotbeds like South Carolina and Mississippi had Unionists. And my brother has told me about a possible real estate development on an old cemetery for slaves too. The CSA fans like to act like everyone in the South supported the CSA cause but nope. And hell the CSA’s wohle states rights thing was a sham anyhow. Jefferson Davis didn’t like the Southern governors who took the states rights thing seriously for themselves. I believe Georgia’s governor was once such example.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 11:11:10am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Well history is about challenging your inate biases. It’s easy to romanticize our ancestors. I certainly have done it and I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it but the romantic image isn’t the same as the reality. As for Germany, I like to think I would have done the right thing and opposed the Nazis. I feel fairly certain I would have. I think this is why it helps to talk to people from different backgrounds.

I don’t romanticize, I am just hesitant to categorically condemn people who did what they thought was right given their circumstances.

I would like to think that I would have been a leftist and anti-Nazi, too, but I did not have to grow up under their leadership, and their Kraft durch Freude vacation trips and their rallies and marches and uniforms, those things can have an effect on you when you are young and impressionable.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:12:26am

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I mean I get why older Southern whites have their romantic ideas about the CSA. What I don’t get is why they refuse to challenge them. Even a great historian like Shelby Foote was saying into the 1990’s that he gladly would have fought for the CSA cause. I think he like so many whites of that generation and region grew up hearing the romantic stories about how Grandpa or Great Grandpa went off to war “for his country” and didn’t look at the reality of what the CSA was all about or if he did, he overlooked it because it would mean that it was somehow dishonoring the ancestors. I’m not naive. I doubt my second great grandfather whom I mentioned was a proponent of racial equality or even necessarily an opponent of slavery. The people who really frustrate me though are people like Iowa’s Steve King or my own state’s Corey Stewart, two Yankees who seem to love romanticizing the CSA.

It’s a form of indoctrination. Like most aspects of culture - from religion to customs to general beliefs. Most people grow up hearing certain things they accept them as true without really thinking about them or investigation. So you hear grandma telling you stories of how her noble grandfather fought those invading northerners and how he just wanted to protect his society… you just sort of take it at face value and after hearing it for decades it becomes #thetruth

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:13:35am

re: #338 dirkdigglerjr

Indeed, Andrew Johnson was a resident of Tennessee (born in NC). He survived being assassinated along with Lincoln when the guy who was supposed to kill him at Johnson’s hotel chickened out and got drunk instead. Seward’s assassin damn near killed him, so we tend to overlook how narrowly we avoided a true coup d’etat with the killing of the president, vice president and secretary of state. In that case, Connecticut Sen. Lafayette Foster (pro tempore) would have become acting president until a special election was held to install a new president in March of 1866.

Yeah I read James Swanson’s excellent book about the Lincoln Assassination plot and the subsequent hunt for Booth, David Herold, and the others. It’s tragic already that Lincoln got killed but they were aiming for Lincoln, Johnson, Seward, and also Grant. That’s another reason why we shouldn’t venerate the CSA cause. Booth nearly created a second Civil War in the name of the CSA cause after the surrender. But man you’re getting me thinking about just how crazy a story the Lincoln assassination was. The other three presidents assassinated don’t have anything close to like that. I think it would make an amazing miniseries if done right.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2019 • 11:14:56am

And then look who chimes in to defend Bernie.

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Dr Lizardo  May 9, 2019 • 11:15:57am

Time to call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:16:38am

re: #341 KGxvi

It’s a form of indoctrination. Like most aspects of culture - from religion to customs to general beliefs. Most people grow up hearing certain things they accept them as true without really thinking about them or investigation. So you hear grandma telling you stories of how her noble grandfather fought those invading northerners and how he just wanted to protect his society… you just sort of take it at face value and after hearing it for decades it becomes #thetruth

Exactly. We want to believe the best about those who came before us because well without them, we wouldn’t be here. I champion a multicultural society because I am a product of people of different cultures who married. Whether it was a Catholic marrying a Lutheran or whatever.

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Dr. Matt  May 9, 2019 • 11:16:46am

re: #305 dirkdigglerjr

We have this thing going on around our area now where a Confederate group is buying tiny parcels of land just off the interstate highway in order to install huge Stars and Bars flags.

There is a fucktard in Tampa that flies a giant traitor flag right off the interstate junction of I-4 and I-75…..one of the most congested areas in the entire state.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 11:17:37am
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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 11:17:41am

The host of “Full Frontal” broadcast the clip from the 2003 documentary “Born Rich” during a segment in which she spotlighted a New York Times report that Trump accumulated almost $1.2 billion in business losses from 1985 to 1994.

Ivanka Trump, now a senior White House adviser to the president, said in the video:

I remember once my father and I were walking down Fifth Avenue and there was a homeless person sitting right outside of Trump Tower and I remember my father pointing to him and saying, ‘You know, that guy has $8 billion more than me,’ because he was in such extreme debt at that point, you know?

i said this yesterday - anyone earning minimum wage made more money those 10 years than trump did. trump: less successful than the minimum wage. sad!

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:18:20am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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I’m really tired of Bernie giving passes to people who did that. I don’t like it when Biden does it and I don’t like it when Pete does it either. Stop it. They liked Trump’s bigoted message or if they didn’t like it, they were okay with a campaign that did it which is just as bad.

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dirkdigglerjr  May 9, 2019 • 11:19:08am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Yeah, the Swanson book is one of the best accounts of the assassination plot and the hunt for Booth. It also puts Mudd in a very different light than what many of us were told. Spoiler alert: Mudd knew Booth quite well. In fact, I remember a movie about Mudd starring Dennis Weaver that was a very sympathetic take.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:19:17am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

Sanders is half right… every politician talks about improving turnout, particularly of voters inclined to vote for them. That’s just Campaign Strategy 101 level stuff.

But the people who voted for Trump, for whatever reason, they’re already in the political process. That’s literally the bare minimum qualification for being in the political process - voting for someone. Maybe some can be convinced to not vote for Trump next time, but it’s probably a small percentage of voters. You’d be better off trying to bring in more new voters, or getting Democratic voters who dropped out the last couple of cycles to get back in the game.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:19:27am

re: #347 gocart mozart

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You can look at most issues in history and the National Review was wrong on them. My mom’s grandmother just missed being part of the 1924 Quotas. That’s why it pisses me off to no end to see people with Eastern European surnames and backgrounds defending racist based immigration policies.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 11:20:30am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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this is that moronic idea of fighting over the crumbs of the existing pie instead of going after the much larger untapped group who are not in the pie

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 11:21:17am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

I kind of doubt 10% of Obama voters did, because that would still represent about 6 Million people.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:22:10am

re: #350 dirkdigglerjr

Yeah, the Swanson book is one of the best accounts of the assassination plot and the hunt for Booth. It also puts Mudd in a very different light than what many of us were told. Spoiler alert: Mudd knew Booth quite well. In fact, I remember a movie about Mudd starring Dennis Weaver that was a very sympathetic take.

Yep, I remember when I first learned about Dr. Mudd. I went to the prison where he was held in the Florida Keys as my aunt and uncle used to live in Key West and I went to Dry Tortugas to see the prison and also snorkel. The narrative there was that Dr. Mudd was a patsy and perhaps scapegoated by Stanton and the others but Swanson showed that Mudd had known Booth before and that he was definitely an active CSA sympathizer. As I said though, this really is an amazing story in itself. I would love to see a well done miniseries based on it because as we’ve said, we came so close to having Grant, Johnson, Lincoln, and Seward killed in the same night.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 11:23:04am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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otoh this also seems to be true: new york magazine

In its latest report, the VSG illuminates one critical shift hiding beneath Trump’s sturdy support: He has lost significant ground with Obama-to-Trump voters. In the project’s 2016 survey, 85 percent of such voters held a ‘favorable view of the president.’ In its latest one, that figure fell to 66 percent. That may not sound like a lot, but, as we’ve observed, it won’t necessarily take a lot to change the course of history.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:23:21am

re: #351 KGxvi

Sanders is half right… every politician talks about improving turnout, particularly of voters inclined to vote for them. That’s just Campaign Strategy 101 level stuff.

But the people who voted for Trump, for whatever reason, they’re already in the political process. That’s literally the bare minimum qualification for being in the political process - voting for someone. Maybe some can be convinced to not vote for Trump next time, but it’s probably a small percentage of voters. You’d be better off trying to bring in more new voters, or getting Democratic voters who dropped out the last couple of cycles to get back in the game.

As I said yesterday. People who have turned 18 since Trump got elected, newly naturalized immigrants, and people who didn’t vote last time.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 11:24:36am
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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 11:26:46am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Churchill was an asshole but the line about Democracy being the worst form of government except the other ones that have been tried was pretty right on I think. Monarchies are a farce. I hate the idea of titles being place on someone from birth. Dictatorships. Need I say no more.

The problem with monarchs, just like the problem with Presidents, is what about when you get a bad one. A bad president can usually be replaced, a bad monarch you’re usually stuck.

But a good monarch is a blessing. King Juan Carlos saved Spain from fascism twice, in 1978 and again in 1981. The British royal family ousted Edward VIII when he needed ousting, did it in a way that avoided the sort of unrest that usually accompanies a monarch being ousted… and his younger brother George VI died young from the stress of having to weather WWII, the transition from Empire to Commonwealth, and training his young daughter to be the very model of what a modern monarch in a constitutional monarchy ought to be.

There’s days I think King Barack I, with lifetime tenure, maybe would have been a good thing.

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makeitstop  May 9, 2019 • 11:28:18am

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Paranoid son of a bitch. Let’s see proof that Kerry’s ‘telling them not to call.’

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 11:28:50am

re: #141 retired cynic

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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 11:29:06am

re: #304 Belafon

“If a smart minority woman can go from bartender to narrative-controlling representative, imagine what a mediocre white man can do.”

We don’t have to imagine; John Boehner is proof of concept (his first job was sweeping the floors at his parents’ bar).

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:34:09am

re: #359 sagehen

The problem with monarchs, just like the problem with Presidents, is what about when you get a bad one. A bad president can usually be replaced, a bad monarch you’re usually stuck.

But a good monarch is a blessing. King Juan Carlos saved Spain from fascism twice, in 1978 and again in 1981. The British royal family ousted Edward VIII when he needed ousting, did it in a way that avoided the sort of unrest that usually accompanies a monarch being ousted… and his younger brother George VI died young from the stress of having to weather WWII, the transition from Empire to Commonwealth, and training his young daughter to be the very model of what a modern monarch in a constitutional monarchy ought to be.

There’s days I think King Barack I, with lifetime tenure, maybe would have been a good thing.

Yeah you’re right. I just don’t like the idea of anyone being in charge for life and I think monarchies inevitably have nepotism problems but Juan Carlos and George VI were great examplesd.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 11:34:38am

re: #360 makeitstop

Paranoid son of a bitch. Let’s see proof that Kerry’s ‘telling them not to call.’

maybe they just dont like you and mikey

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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 11:35:37am

re: #328 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Had one grown up in it, one might easily have come to see it as a worthy cause. I cannot judge people from history for doing what they did, even if I disagree with it from my modern point of view.

I do not want to think about what it would have been like to have been born in the 20’s in Germany and grow up as a youth/teenager under the Nazi regime.

Christopher Walken was on Finding Your Roots… he was born and raised in Queens NY, by a father who emigrated from Germany in the 1920’s and refused to ever discuss the family he’d left. Not a word. Total mystery to Walken, and wanting to find out was why he agreed to be on the show.

Bad news. Dad’s brothers were high-ranking SS officers, murdered about a thousand Jews each, and were hanged at Nuremberg. Christopher might have been happier never having to know that.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:36:06am

re: #354 Belafon

I kind of doubt 10% of Obama voters did, because that would still represent about 6 Million people.

The exit polls in most elections fairly consistently show 7-10% of self-identified Republicans voting for the Democratic nominee and vice versa. There were likely some Obama-Trump voters, but there was also likely a fairly equal number of Romney-Clinton voters.

The real problem was in the real number of voters. Clinton underperformed Obama in 2012 by about 50k voters (and that was after a 3.4m vote drop from 2008); while Trump overperformed Romney by two million votes

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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 11:37:17am

re: #360 makeitstop

Paranoid son of a bitch. Let’s see proof that Kerry’s ‘telling them not to call.’

Can’t access Twitter right now, but WTF is the Moron-in-Chief on about re John Kerry?
I realize it’s a Trump speech of some sort, and thus probably just run-on lies, misstatements and general blather, but why “arrest John Kerry”?? For what?

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 11:38:32am

re: #366 KGxvi

I would bet that is two million voters voting on racism/immigration, with the possibility that some of them were “fake”.

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retired cynic  May 9, 2019 • 11:39:46am

re: #367 Jay C

Can’t access Twitter right now, but WTF is the Moron-in-Chief on about re John Kerry?
I realize it’s a Trump speech of some sort, and thus probably just run-on lies, misstatements and general blather, but why “arrest John Kerry”?? For what?

He says JK is talking to “Iran” all the time and tells them not to call DT. Meets with them all the time and it is a Logan Act violation. And only Democrats do that. “His people” are too nice to arrest him.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:40:45am

re: #365 sagehen

Christopher Walken was on Finding Your Roots… he was born and raised in Queens NY, by a father who emigrated from Germany in the 1920’s and refused to ever discuss the family he’d left. Not a word. Total mystery to Walken, and wanting to find out was why he agreed to be on the show.

Bad news. Dad’s brothers were high-ranking SS officers, murdered about a thousand Jews each, and were hanged at Nuremberg. Christopher might have been happier never having to know that.

Makes me wonder about my German born great grandfather’s cousins. His mother’s siblings stayed in Germany as did his father’s sister- I’m in touch with one of her great granddaughters. I haven’t asked about the Nazis but she grew up in Nazi Germany.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 11:40:56am

Senate Dems detail 60 unanswered questions they still have after the Mueller report in letter to Graham

read the pdf

then ask why lindsey as an honorable senator and chair of the judiciary committee wouldnt want to drop everything and get the answers to these questions

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makeitstop  May 9, 2019 • 11:41:08am

re: #367 Jay C

Can’t access Twitter right now, but WTF is the Moron-in-Chief on about re John Kerry?
I realize it’s a Trump speech of some sort, and thus probably just run-on lies, misstatements and general blather, but why “arrest John Kerry”?? For what?

He said he’d like to have Iran ‘call him,’ but John Kerry talks to them all the time and tells them not to call Trump.

Went on to say it was a violation of the Logan Act and that Kerry should be prosecuted for it.

Show your work, Two Scoops. Put up or shut up.

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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 11:43:02am

re: #369 retired cynic

re: #372 makeitstop

Tx.
All I can can say (redacted) is:
WTF??????

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:43:24am

re: #371 DangerMan

Senate Dems detail 60 unanswered questions they still have after the Mueller report in letter to Graham

read the pdf

then ask why lindsey as an honorable senator and chair of the judiciary committee wouldnt want to drop everything and get the answers to these questions

Obviously Graham is waiting on a new fainting couch and a fresh set of pearls to clutch. As I understand it, he goes through those fairly regularly.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:45:07am

re: #372 makeitstop

He said he’d like to have Iran ‘call him,’ but John Kerry talks to them all the time and tells them not to call Trump.

Went on to say it was a violation of the Logan Act and that Kerry should be prosecuted for it.

Show your work, Two Scoops. Put up or shut up.

Given how Russia, China, and North Korea have fucking rolled Trump like a joint, I’m actually kind of surprised that Iran hasn’t got in on the act. Trump’s literally only playing for headlines, in pursuit of a deal he’d probably give them Medina if not Mecca.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 11:45:38am

So he’s just accusing Kerry of committing crimes with no proof. Typical and pathetic.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 11:48:03am

re: #337 gocart mozart

Pretty sure if I had a billion dollars I could find ways to blow it pretty quickly.

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sagehen  May 9, 2019 • 11:49:46am

re: #343 Charles Johnson

Luntz: About 10% of Obama voters flipped to Trump in 2016.

Not so. Obama had 69.5 million votes in 2008 to McCain’s 60 million; and 66 million in 2012 to Romney’s 61 million.

Hillary had 65.9 million in 2016, to Trump’s 63 million.

So maybe as many as 1-2% flipped; in just the right states.

Luntz: What can we learn from them?

That for 1-2% of voters, misogyny is stronger than racism.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 11:51:57am

re: #375 KGxvi

Given how Russia, China, and North Korea have fucking rolled Trump like a joint, I’m actually kind of surprised that Iran hasn’t got in on the act. Trump’s literally only playing for headlines, in pursuit of a deal he’d probably give them Medina if not Mecca.

I wondered that yesterday, why they haven’t offered to set up a photo-op.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 11:53:08am

re: #378 sagehen

Not so. Obama had 69.5 million votes in 2008 to McCain’s 60 million; and 66 million in 2012 to Romney’s 61 million.

Hillary had 65.9 million in 2016, to Trump’s 63 million.

So maybe as many as 1-2% flipped; in just the right states.

That for 1-2% of voters, misogyny is stronger than racism.

There’s a few million where racism wasn’t an issue, that’s for sure.

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 11:53:56am

re: #379 Belafon

I wondered that yesterday, why they haven’t offered to set up a photo-op.

The guys on Pod Save the World think it’s the Supreme Leader’s decision. And there’s probably some hardliner pressure after Trump pulled out of the nuclear deal.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 11:54:24am
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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 12:03:21pm

re: #343 Charles Johnson

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This is why I argue that I believe Bernie is just as racist as Trump but knows how to hide it better. He bailed on the Civil Rights Movement as soon as possible, moved from diverse NYC to white bread Vermont and has been the lapdog of the National Racists Rifle Associatin ever since.

Economic frustration my ass. Anyone who flipped from Obama to Trump barely wanted to vote for Obama in the first place and grabbed any excuse of racism/misogyny/etc to do so.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 12:04:04pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 9, 2019 • 12:04:29pm

re: #375 KGxvi

Given how Russia, China, and North Korea have fucking rolled Trump like a joint, I’m actually kind of surprised that Iran hasn’t got in on the act. Trump’s literally only playing for headlines, in pursuit of a deal he’d probably give them Medina if not Mecca.

Iran knows that wouldn’t work because the Saudis own Trump. Russia, China and NK are all nuclear powers negotiating from positions of relative strength, and don’t have super wealthy Trump backing corrupt dictatorships working against them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 12:05:01pm

re: #384 jaunte

God, I fucking hate these people.

I really can’t wait until one of them faces some serious consequences. Please let this happen soon.

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 12:05:15pm

re: #358 Teukka

He doesn’t care. He is, a minimum, a Nazi sympathizer if not a full bore white supremacist himself as shown by his actions. You shall know them by their fruits works for alt-right scum too.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2019 • 12:05:43pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 12:08:02pm

The Obama voters who went for Trump were fine with Obama until Obama reminded them he was black.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 12:08:38pm

re: #383 William Lewis

This is why I argue that I believe Bernie is just as racist as Trump but knows how to hide it better. He bailed on the Civil Rights Movement as soon as possible, moved from diverse NYC to white bread Vermont and has been the lapdog of the National Racists Rifle Associatin ever since.

Economic frustration my ass. Anyone who flipped from Obama to Trump barely wanted to vote for Obama in the first place and grabbed any excuse of racism/misogyny/etc to do so.

I’ve always wondered about that too. I hate how he uses his Brooklyn roots even though he left there as soon as he could.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 12:09:31pm

I see that AOC is working with Sanders on a bill to cap loan interest rates from pay day lenders at 15%. I wonder if we’ll see someone shortly about that and how it spells the doom of the party. But I also have to ask why this didn’t come out of that particular Senator’s office before now.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 12:10:16pm

I wonder if some of those folks who voted for Obama and then Trump chose Obama over Romney in 2012 because they saw Romney for the wannabe far right poseur that he is and couldn’t stand to vote for him?

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 12:11:34pm

re: #372 makeitstop

He said he’d like to have Iran ‘call him,’ but John Kerry talks to them all the time and tells them not to call Trump.

Went on to say it was a violation of the Logan Act and that Kerry should be prosecuted for it.

Show your work, Two Scoops. Put up or shut up.

maybe trump doesnt know how to dial a phone

ps donnie, if you wait by the phone, you;ll never get a date

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 12:12:26pm

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if some of those folks who voted for Obama and then Trump chose Obama over Romney in 2012 because they saw Romney for the wannabe far right poseur that he is and couldn’t stand to vote for him?

See what I said above. They were fine with Obama but when Obama started saying things like if I had a son, he would have looked like Treyvon Martin, that enraged them. The funny thing is the voters HRC struggled with were voters she had beaten Obama when they ran against each other.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 12:13:28pm

re: #392 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if some of those folks who voted for Obama and then Trump chose Obama over Romney in 2012 because they saw Romney for the wannabe far right poseur that he is and couldn’t stand to vote for him?

Possibly, but I think sagehen had it correct: It was misogyny. But that was used to lure just that last few thousand people. They used BLM to keep the racists hooked.

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Sir John Barron  May 9, 2019 • 12:19:31pm

re: #365 sagehen

Christopher Walken was on Finding Your Roots… he was born and raised in Queens NY, by a father who emigrated from Germany in the 1920’s and refused to ever discuss the family he’d left. Not a word. Total mystery to Walken, and wanting to find out was why he agreed to be on the show.

Bad news. Dad’s brothers were high-ranking SS officers, murdered about a thousand Jews each, and were hanged at Nuremberg. Christopher might have been happier never having to know that.

Wow.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 12:20:37pm

Trump Downgrades ‘No Obstruction’ To … ‘Essentially No Obstruction’

Essentially No Obstruction”

ya gotta wonder (ok at least i do) whether this is calculated or just a slip of a tongue that makes stuff up all the time

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 12:22:21pm

re: #397 DangerMan

Trump Downgrades ‘No Obstruction’ To … ‘Essentially No Obstruction’

Essentially No Obstruction”

ya gotta wonder (ok at least i do) whether this is calculated or just a slip of a tongue that makes stuff up all the time

The qualification…. is loaded.

And he’s getting ready to claim that he obstructed, but that’s okay because he’s winning.

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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 12:22:37pm

re: #397 DangerMan

Trump Downgrades ‘No Obstruction’ To … ‘Essentially No Obstruction’

Essentially No Obstruction”

ya gotta wonder (ok at least i do) whether this is calculated or just a slip of a tongue that makes stuff up all the time

Okay there was some collusion but it was done to stop crooked Hillary.//

Hannity: We owe Putin our thanks!

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 12:23:16pm

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Decatur Deb  May 9, 2019 • 12:24:06pm

re: #397 DangerMan

Trump Downgrades ‘No Obstruction’ To … ‘Essentially No Obstruction’

Essentially No Obstruction”

ya gotta wonder (ok at least i do) whether this is calculated or just a slip of a tongue that makes stuff up all the time

Going with “calculated”. His pattern of backwalking from an absolute statement, through calibrated qualifications, to a shrug of the shoulders is pretty easy to chart.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 9, 2019 • 12:25:03pm

re: #401 Decatur Deb

Going with “calculated”. His pattern of backwalking from an absolute statement, through qualifications, to a shrug of the shoulders is pretty easy to chart.

And they fall for it every time

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allegro  May 9, 2019 • 12:25:46pm

Those of us who remember the pre-Roe days MUST tell the stories of what women endured, the reality of the deaths, the physical and emotional injuries. Stories like this:

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 12:25:56pm
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HappyWarrior  May 9, 2019 • 12:29:18pm

re: #403 allegro

Those of us who remember the pre-Roe days MUST tell the stories of what women endured, the reality of the deaths, the physical and emotional injuries. Stories like this:

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This is history that anti choice assholes never want to talk about.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 12:30:51pm

re: #404 DangerMan

Federal judges deny Ohio’s attempt to delay redrawing of state’s gerrymandered congressional elections map

‘we can’t win a fair game’

“Win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat.”

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mmmirele  May 9, 2019 • 12:34:18pm

re: #90 jaunte

“…In Calvinist (Reformed) theology, unconditional election is considered to be one aspect of predestination in which God chooses certain individuals to be saved. Those elected receive mercy, while those not elected, the reprobates, receive justice without condition.”

The “pro-lifers” I protest believe if a fertilized ova, zygote, embryo or fetus is miscarried, it was still a human life and God has decided from before the foundation of the world whether it will go to heaven or hell. So presumably hell is full of fertilized, never implanted ova who are human beings, roasting forever.

That’s why I tell them I’d rather go to hell than worship their god. I’d also tell them their god is a consummate dick but they’d get upset about the word “dick.”

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lawhawk  May 9, 2019 • 12:47:45pm
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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 12:49:06pm

re: #407 mmmirele

The “pro-lifers” I protest believe if a fertilized ova, zygote, embryo or fetus is miscarried, it was still a human life and God has decided from before the foundation of the world whether it will go to heaven or hell. So presumably hell is full of fertilized, never implanted ova who are human beings, roasting forever.

That’s why I tell them I’d rather go to hell than worship their god. I’d also tell them their god is a consummate dick but they’d get upset about the word “dick.”

cause an omnipotent omniscient god would need to do that

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 9, 2019 • 12:50:08pm

re: #361 retired cynic

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mmmirele  May 9, 2019 • 12:51:35pm

re: #268 The Vicious Babushka

This is horrifying for a woman traveling alone

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And this is why I paid a premium to book a ride to the airport before 5 am on Saturday through a known company where the drivers aren’t in the gig economy.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 9, 2019 • 12:53:14pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 12:53:57pm

re: #408 lawhawk

Brought to you by the fucking idiots that think algorithms can solve all the worlds problems.

See also: Dorsey, Jack.

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Dr. Matt  May 9, 2019 • 12:55:27pm
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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 12:58:42pm

re: #414 Dr. Matt

Cool, we’re up to 3% of the population.

re: #412 Joe Bacon 🌹

We had a discussion about that earlier:

But while Washington is consumed by the confrontation, polls and anecdotal evidence suggest indifference among many Americans about the momentous goings-on in Washington, which so far are not resonating much outside the capital.

A strong economy, extreme political polarization and the daily struggles of millions of people to pay for essentials like health care and a college education are understandably seen as more important.

This is one reason why Democrats, many of whom believe there is more than enough material to impeach Trump, are wary of taking that ultimate step; most voters do not seem to want an impeachment saga.

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makeitstop  May 9, 2019 • 12:59:26pm

re: #412 Joe Bacon 🌹

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Cheap shot, IMO.

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 1:00:03pm

re: #413 Eclectic Cyborg

Brought to you by the fucking idiots that think algorithms can solve all the worlds problems.

See also: Dorsey, Jack.

They algorithms they’re keeping locked up have already recommended the removal of the CEOs at Twitter and Facebook.

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2019 • 1:00:33pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2019 • 1:02:13pm

re: #408 lawhawk

Facebook is evil, and yes they do create shadow profiles on just about everyone.
They’re worse than the credit bureaus and Acxiom.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:10:17pm

re: #403 allegro

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Hecuba's daughter  May 9, 2019 • 1:16:38pm

re: #378 sagehen

Not so. Obama had 69.5 million votes in 2008 to McCain’s 60 million; and 66 million in 2012 to Romney’s 61 million.

Hillary had 65.9 million in 2016, to Trump’s 63 million.

So maybe as many as 1-2% flipped; in just the right states.

That for 1-2% of voters, misogyny is stronger than racism.

There are several reasons for Obama-Trump voters:
1. MISOGYNY…among both voters AND journalists. Look at Matt Lauer, Les Moonves, Charlie Rose.
2. Hatred of Hillary spread by Putinbots — managing to persuade voters that Hillary was the devil incarnate.
3. The fact that certain people have been left behind by the modern economy. Voters aren’t going to be studying 12 point plans on how to get a new job. You need a simple bumper sticker message that can attract those who don’t have the time, patience, and/or intellect to do an in depth comparison of the candidates and their proposals. Those communities ravaged by the opioid crisis certainly felt that the Obama administration did not address their despair — so why not take a chance on someone with a new perspective, instead of the same old establishment that didn’t care

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Charles Johnson  May 9, 2019 • 1:17:15pm
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Jay C  May 9, 2019 • 1:17:39pm

re: #414 Dr. Matt

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I hope (if they are delivering a printed copy) that it’s printed on soft paper, as wiping their asses with it is probably the only use it will be to the WH…..

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:19:25pm

re: #423 Jay C

I hope (if they are delivering a printed copy) that it’s printed on soft paper, as wiping their asses with it is probably the only use it will be to the WH…..

Nonono. Sandpaper, 50-grit, but with a soft paper backing, and sand you don’t notice until…
*muhahahahah*

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2019 • 1:20:05pm

I’m wondering if the Dems are going to do a bunch of contempt of Congress, and then grab all of them in one shot by the Sargent of Arms/inherent contempt.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:23:10pm

re: #420 Teukka

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Venting…

So… This is seriously NSFW… And so bad I don’t want to tweet it…

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 1:23:27pm

re: #425 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m wondering if the Dems are going to do a bunch of contempt of Congress, and then grab all of them in one shot by the Sargent of Arms/inherent contempt.

I don’t think that would be very effective. They should space them out. Let the public get to know each story separately.

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gocart mozart  May 9, 2019 • 1:27:53pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 9, 2019 • 1:28:09pm

re: #427 Belafon

I don’t think that would be very effective. They should space them out. Let the public get to know each story separately

I disagree-grabbing individuals one at a time will start to get old after the 3rd or 4th contempt grab…they will be struggling to deal with each and every individual case if they are all grabbed in one shot.

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jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 1:30:36pm

Coming to Trump’s America soon.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:32:55pm

re: #430 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Coming to Trump’s America soon.

Next, sticks, thick white cardboard, and sharpies, will be considered subversive terrorist paraphernalia…

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 1:33:18pm

re: #430 jaunte

Coming to Trump’s America soon.

Only in his head.

OTOH, we need more protests again.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 9, 2019 • 1:38:25pm

re: #432 Belafon

Only in his head.

OTOH, we need more protests again.

My marching shoes are ready to go.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:39:01pm

re: #432 Belafon

Only in his head.

OTOH, we need more protests again.

[idea type=half-baked]
So, what about this for an event… Picket… The usual signs, banners and posters… Only nothing written on them, or black censor boxes, but with no writing underneat (this is important)…
No chanting, no nothing, dead silence… Taped mouths as an extra.
Document them being empty or censored throughout the day.
One prong of the protest is to imply you have no right to free speech.
The other is to catch anyone using them to put words in the protesters mouths with manipulating the photos.
[/idea]

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 1:39:54pm

re: #404 DangerMan

Federal judges deny Ohio’s attempt to delay redrawing of state’s gerrymandered congressional elections map

‘we can’t win a fair game’

It’s rather frustrating that so many of these cases are happening right before the census and reapportionment. They should have been happening in 2010-2012.

436
jaunte  May 9, 2019 • 1:41:08pm
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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 1:41:32pm

re: #434 Teukka

[idea type=half-baked]
So, what about this for an event… Picket… The usual signs, banners and posters… Only nothing written on them, or black censor boxes, but with no writing underneat (this is important)…
No chanting, no nothing, dead silence… Taped mouths as an extra.
Document them being empty or censored throughout the day.
One prong of the protest is to imply you have no right to free speech.
The other is to catch anyone using them to put words in the protesters mouths with manipulating the photos.
[/idea]

Blank posters at a protest, of which there will definitely be pictures would send the internet meme machines into overdrive. Every single picture would have an infinite number of versions with commentary running the gambit.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 1:41:40pm

re: #425 Eric The Fruit Bat

I’m wondering if the Dems are going to do a bunch of contempt of Congress, and then grab all of them in one shot by the Sargent of Arms/inherent contempt.

if i were guessing, i’d say they may go for as many contempt citations as possible
- for not testifying
- for ignoring the subpoenas - (both testifying and doc production)
- for wholesale claims of exec privilege

and get it in front of SCOTUS. its an easier route than jailing which requires ‘cooperation’ from the DOJ and fines, which - so what? wholesale obstruction by trump, barr and the admin, where nothing is on merit or the specifics of each request but rather by blanket ignoring everything the congress asks for, they will likely lose.

if they dont do what the court says, then there’s impeachment for ignoring the court (oh, and plus the mueller report)

what do R senators do then?
- vote no and say it’s ok to defy the court? a lot of voters will hate that
- vote to convict will piss off ‘the base’

i think nancy won’t care which way they vote

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Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 1:44:06pm

re: #435 KGxvi

It’s rather frustrating that so many of these cases are happening right before the census and reapportionment. They should have been happening in 2010-2012.

That’s because a lot of the challenges are based on recent maps. One of the things Renquist did, with the help of Texas, was disconnect redistricing with the census.

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Teukka  May 9, 2019 • 1:44:22pm

re: #437 KGxvi

Blank posters at a protest, of which there will definitely be pictures would send the internet meme machines into overdrive. Every single picture would have an infinite number of versions with commentary running the gambit.

And each version a piece of evidence of tampering with evidence in an attempt to slander or falsely accuse people of crimes… Each manipulators software and methods exposable.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 1:45:11pm

re: #435 KGxvi

It’s rather frustrating that so many of these cases are happening right before the census and reapportionment. They should have been happening in 2010-2012.

and the only ‘penalty’ is redraw the map going forward (and we’ll try and do it again less obviously)

if the map is inherently unfair, how come the elections stand? //

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 1:45:43pm

re: #436 jaunte

Take a mental health break with from Jeanine Pirro

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KGxvi  May 9, 2019 • 1:47:21pm

re: #439 Belafon

That’s because a lot of the challenges are based on recent maps. One of the things Renquist did, with the help of Texas, was disconnect redistricing with the census.

The Ohio one seems to be a situation where it was drawn in 2010 (from the article):

Republican leaders, in creating the current map after the 2010 census, designed districts capable of withstanding swings in voter sentiment to reliably elect 12 Republicans and four Democrats statewide. The results have been exactly as planned in the four elections with the map, with Republicans winning 75 percent of the races with just over half of the overall vote.

444
Belafon  May 9, 2019 • 1:51:52pm

re: #443 KGxvi

The Ohio one seems to be a situation where it was drawn in 2010 (from the article):

OK. That’s different than some of the others I’ve heard about.

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DangerMan  May 9, 2019 • 1:51:56pm

re: #443 KGxvi

The Ohio one seems to be a situation where it was drawn in 2010 (from the article):

and like i said, they get to “keep the profit”

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William Lewis  May 9, 2019 • 1:55:22pm

re: #430 jaunte

[Embedded content]

Coming to Trump’s America soon.

Trump is seriously jelly.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 9, 2019 • 4:24:21pm

re: #320 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

nothing but a provocation unless it happens to be some sort of historically relevant site

And has the South ever put up mouments to George Thomas, John C. Breckinridge, Bushrod Johnson, Samuel Cooper all generals or Admiral David Farragut, all southerners who served in the Union army?

If you consider D.C. to be in The South then “yes” since Farragut has a statue and square named after him there.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 9, 2019 • 4:47:08pm

re: #437 KGxvi

Blank posters at a protest, of which there will definitely be pictures would send the internet meme machines into overdrive. Every single picture would have an infinite number of versions with commentary running the gambit.


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