Holocaust Denier Chuck C. Johnson Met With Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross

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Alexander Nazaryan has a piece at Yahoo News about the latest doings by horrible racist troll Chuck C. Johnson (who is NOT ME), including some new information — he tried to meet with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross last year as his various scam businesses were falling apart and he was losing one lawsuit after another.

And Ross didn’t shut him down; in fact, he encouraged the white supremacist to schedule a time for the meeting with a senior adviser.

“Hi Secretary Ross,” the markedly informal email sent by Johnson that day begins. “Great chatting with you the other day.” Johnson proceeds to say that he would be “speaking before about 30 congressmen on tech issues” in Washington and “would love to meet” with Ross as well.

Ross responded about three hours later, in an email apparently typed from his iPhone. He explained that he had to fly to Wisconsin in order to attend the groundbreaking for a plant opened by Foxconn, the Chinese electronics manufacturer. He urged Johnson to schedule a time for them to meet with Macie Leach, a senior adviser to the commerce secretary.

Ross’s spokesperson says the meeting never took place, for what that’s worth.

As for a face-to-face between Johnson and the former corporate raider, it was not to be. “The requested meeting did not occur,” said Commerce spokesperson Rebecca Glover. She declined to elaborate, or to answer specific questions about the matter.

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What, exactly, Johnson and Ross were planning to meet about remains unknown. In a text-message exchange with Yahoo News, Johnson expressed concern that he would be “falsely” accused “of being a troll or worse,” which made him hesitant to “engage with the #fakenews.” Of his exchange with Ross, Johnson would only say it was “a national security matter.”

“A national security matter.” It is to laugh.

There’s more to this story, though, because Johnson didn’t contact Ross with an official government email address — he apparently used a private non-governmental address. And that strongly suggests there’s more here than meets the eye.

“It’s concerning that a reputed Holocaust denier is familiar enough with Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross that he can apparently reach the Secretary via a private email account,” said Charisma Troiano, communications director for Democracy Forward, a progressive group that obtained Ross’s emails through the Freedom of Information Act. “The public deserves to know why.”

Ross’s email address is redacted in the documents reviewed by Yahoo News. However, Democracy Forward had specified in its Freedom of Information request that it sought “all communications sent to or from any nongovernmental email address established, controlled, or used by the Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross.” The back-and-forth with Johnson, therefore, had to have been conducted at least in part via an email address affiliated with Ross but not issued by the federal government.

But in other news, it looks like Johnson may have slimed his way back onto Twitter again, although he’s denying it, of course.

The exchange with Ross came several days after a California superior court rejected Johnson’s bid to have his Twitter ban lifted. (Johnson may have found a way around the ban; shortly after an exchange with Johnson, this reporter was followed on Twitter by @charles46532569, an account purporting to belong to “charles johnson.” The account followed, and shared messages from, accounts associated with several right-wing figures. Johnson denied to Yahoo News that the account was his, replying with an emoji of a sunglasses-wearing visage.)

UPDATE at 5/14/19 12:49:16 pm by Charles Johnson
UPDATE at 5/14/19 2:21:33 pm by Charles Johnson
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 10:45:26am

Who the hell is this guy’s sugar daddy? He or she must be very wealthy and or influential. I used to think CCJ was blowing smoke when he talked about knowing people.

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 10:45:34am

Moe Mowing…..
Fucking Alabama…..

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Amory Blaine  May 14, 2019 • 10:45:51am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 10:48:09am

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Moe Mowing…..
Fucking Alabama…..

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That was two years ago. Still hideous now as it was then. Oh and Mo, you pathetic son of a bitch, I got diagnosed with my heart condition at 13 and my heart condition is in large part due to genetics, so fuck you and your moralistic bullshit, I hope you get a giant herpes sore on your fat right wing chode so not even your right wing wife will want to screw you.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 10:48:38am

re: #3 Amory Blaine

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He really should know better. He was Obama’s VP for 8 years and in the Senate during Clinton’s 8 years.

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 10:50:18am
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Amory Blaine  May 14, 2019 • 10:50:22am

His middle of the road shtick is fucking insulting.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 14, 2019 • 10:54:49am

Biden is a fucking idiot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 10:54:54am

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Moe Mowing…..
Fucking Alabama…..

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Hey Mr. Mowing, you dumb asshole!

I’m 37. I live pain free day to day. I take no regular prescription medications. See a doctor maybe four times a year. I watch my weight and exercise four times a week.

But I have a heart murmur that I was FUCKING BORN WITH, that most insurance considers a Pre-existing condition.

Fuck you, you heartless POS.

I bet you’d change your tune if you had a heart attack tomorrow…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 10:57:38am

re: #3 Amory Blaine

Oh, I don’t know; jail house conversion is a thing.

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 10:57:41am
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 10:58:04am

Biden really wants to portray this narrative that Republicans in Congress are just hoodwinked by Trumpism and once Trump is gone they’ll magically start being reasonable partners in democracy. I can’t express how naive and insulting I find that and it’s upsetting because Biden who was Obama’s VP should know better than that. Joe, you’re going to be the subject of many books and articles by right wingers everywhere insisting that you’re a Marxist who hates the Baby Jesus and wants to turn our children into gay transgendered Muslims. I don’t need you to hate Republicans but I do need you to be aware that they’re not our buddies.

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Amory Blaine  May 14, 2019 • 10:58:06am

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Ol’ Moe can’t wait to hold hands with Biden and sing kumbaya.

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here...not here.....here...not...was I even.....  May 14, 2019 • 10:59:24am
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Amory Blaine  May 14, 2019 • 11:00:49am

re: #14 Big Black Mariah

Baluster spacing is important.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 14, 2019 • 11:05:44am

re: #14 Big Black Mariah

I guess we all have days like that.

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here...not here.....here...not...was I even.....  May 14, 2019 • 11:07:24am

re: #16 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I guess we all have days like that.

Some have weeks.
Months.
Or more.

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lawhawk  May 14, 2019 • 11:09:03am

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Most everyone knows someone with a preexisting condition.

Diabetes. High blood pressure. Family history of any number of diseases, from asthma to cancer and thyroid conditions.

Fuck him sideways with a rusty pitchfork.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 14, 2019 • 11:12:00am

re: #8 I Would Prefer Not To

Biden is a fucking idiot.

to follow up.

If I hear one candidate talk about the gold ole days when people “reached across the aisle and worked together….” I’m going puke. Those days are gone. Not coming back. The world has changed. Republicans will only work with democrats when they have been destroyed, until then they are on a mission from god… Biden should know better.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 11:12:47am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Looks like it’s time for some new SUSPENDED cats…

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 11:14:05am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 11:14:42am

Joe is just stuck in the past, plain and simple.

THAT is why we need younger blood.

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Interesting Times  May 14, 2019 • 11:18:43am

*sigh*

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 11:18:51am

Some Fox News person complained about Elizabeth Warren’s voice. Her voice! There is another voice that is much more horrible to listen to.

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 11:19:06am

Joe thinks there’s a lot of other Democrats who think we can return to earlier times where Democrats and Republicans worked together more. And he’s right about that, there’s a lot of them. What they want to go back to, though, doesn’t exist.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:21:23am

re: #18 lawhawk

Most everyone knows someone with a preexisting condition.

Diabetes. High blood pressure. Family history of any number of diseases, from asthma to cancer and thyroid conditions.

Fuck him sideways with a rusty pitchfork.

Just being female is a pre-existing condition.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 11:22:59am

re: #24 The Vicious Babushka

Some Fox News person complained about Elizabeth Warren’s voice. Her voice! There is another voice that is much more horrible to listen to.

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Her voice is fine. And she’s well spoken. Trump sounds like an idiot.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:23:24am

*spit*

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 11:23:38am

re: #25 Belafon

Joe thinks there’s a lot of other Democrats who think we can return to earlier times where Democrats and Republicans worked together more. And he’s right about that, there’s a lot of them. What they want to go back to, though, doesn’t exist.

The problem is though Republicans aren’t interested in that.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 11:24:33am

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

*spit*

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Nah you and Bibi are just fascist crooked bigots. If Israel had a non bigot crook as their leader, you’d trash them.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:29:34am

it’s actually the one year anniversary of the Jerusalem embassy plaque.
pretty certain there is no actually new beautiful embassy.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:30:56am
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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 11:31:47am

re: #18 lawhawk

Most everyone knows someone with a preexisting condition.

Diabetes. High blood pressure. Family history of any number of diseases, from asthma to cancer and thyroid conditions.

Fuck him sideways with a rusty pitchfork.

it’s asinine
no one has a pre-existing condition until they get ‘sick’ the first time
(and no i dont mean a cold or the flu)
‘clean living’ dont keep the doctor away

here’s a thought - what if your ‘pre-existing condition’ was in fact caused by someone else - ie their negligence, carelessness, etc?

further, insurance companies have used things like unreported acne treatments from 20+ years ago as a preexisting condition and therefore a reason to void a policy (cant find a cite right now)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:31:55am

LOL

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:33:24am
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Citizen K  May 14, 2019 • 11:34:47am

Pandering to this shit is going to get him some votes from the center. and that might win him the primary.

That’s not going to help him win the fucking election if he thinks he’s going to peel off the disaffected GOP vote, and it’s sure as hell going to piss off a lot of the folks who have seen the writing on the wall and see no actual participation from the GOP outside of pissing on our boots every time we walk by.

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Interesting Times  May 14, 2019 • 11:38:59am

re: #36 Citizen K

I would like to know why those so-called “Democrats” are so stupid? Like, I can certainly understand wishy-washy, disingenuous both-siderists saying this crap, but how is that rank-and-file primary-voting Dems don’t know better? It makes me wonder if they were actually polling GOP sympathizers who haven’t bothered to switch registration.

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Citizen K  May 14, 2019 • 11:40:06am

re: #37 Interesting Times

I would like to know why those so-called “Democrats” are so stupid? Like, I can certainly understand wishy-washy, disingenuous both-siderists saying this crap, but how is that rank-and-file primary-voting Dems don’t know better? It makes me wonder if they were actually polling GOP sympathizers who haven’t bothered to switch registration.

My thoughts come down to the fact that media normalization has done it’s job.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:42:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:43:34am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 11:44:19am

re: #35 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yep, Jesus would have been totally cool with this.

*spit*

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 11:44:31am

Here’s a tip, Chuck. The president can’t read.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 11:45:13am

re: #42 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Here’s a tip, Chuck. The president can’t read.

Yep. Try using big colorful drawings.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:45:48am

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Try using big colorful drawings.

or having it on Fox News…

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lawhawk  May 14, 2019 • 11:47:31am

re: #42 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Here’s a tip, Chuck. The president can’t read.

Trump doesn’t care/remember beyond what he says. He’s got the attention span of a gnat, and that’s being awful kind. Trump will even go back on what he says mid-sentence.

He is the problem. Trying to explain that trade wars are bad, harm the farmers, etc., are useless when you still back him regardless of the consequences.

This GOP refuses to stand up to a corrupt Trump, so why would they stop him on economic issues? They wont.

The only time the GOP will take notice is when they lose in the elections - and suffer catastrophic defeats (which the GOP will turn around and claim is the result of Russian interference, ignoring the 2016 elections, when there’s proof of interference).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:48:03am
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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 11:48:20am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 11:49:31am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

Well of course. Don’t you know the official GOP policy is: “Fuck California!” ?

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Citizen K  May 14, 2019 • 11:49:59am

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

We’re never going to recover from this presidency, not for a generation or more.

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 11:51:06am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:52:18am
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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 11:52:31am
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lawhawk  May 14, 2019 • 11:53:00am

Developing:
Something going down in the Rayburn HOB in DC?!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:53:39am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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every single suit in that photo is so shiny…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:55:04am
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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 11:55:05am

re: #37 Interesting Times

I would like to know why those so-called “Democrats” are so stupid? Like, I can certainly understand wishy-washy, disingenuous both-siderists saying this crap, but how is that rank-and-file primary-voting Dems don’t know better? It makes me wonder if they were actually polling GOP sympathizers who haven’t bothered to switch registration.

Because most of them aren’t paying attention the way we are. Trump is an anomoly, they don’t know about McConnell, and 2016 was sad, but it was the election.

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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 11:55:14am

re: #52 Charles Johnson

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I wonder if the Deputy General Secretary of any Soviet SR wore Stalin socks.

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lawhawk  May 14, 2019 • 11:57:13am

re: #50 Charles Johnson

She does have the knack for picking bad advisers….

The so-called smartest guys in the room have given nothing but bad advice: Tyrion and Vayrs both kept giving it. Vayrs is toast, and Tyrion soon will be.

Jon doesn’t know when to keep quiet and lie by omission for the greater good. Meanwhile, everyone else knows that this would end Dany’s chance for the iron throne but for the dragon she has left.

Cersei was right to keep from sending the troops north, but she still lost. From womb to tomb….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 11:58:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:00:25pm
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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:00:40pm

re: #58 lawhawk

She does have the knack for picking bad advisers….

The so-called smartest guys in the room have given nothing but bad advice: Tyrion and Vayrs both kept giving it. Vayrs is toast, and Tyrion soon will be.

Jon doesn’t know when to keep quiet and lie by omission for the greater good. Meanwhile, everyone else knows that this would end Dany’s chance for the iron throne but for the dragon she has left.

Cersei was right to keep from sending the troops north, but she still lost. From womb to tomb….

i have no idea what any of you folks are talking about
(mrs dm does)

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:01:04pm

re: #2 Dave In Austin

Moe Mowing…..
Fucking Alabama…..

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So people like me who were born with asthma have led debauched lives? Good to know.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:01:31pm
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unproven innocence  May 14, 2019 • 12:01:37pm

re: #53 lawhawk

Developing:
Something going down in the Rayburn HOB in DC?!

Headlines indicate a bomb threat was phoned in. Scratch that —old news headline.

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 12:02:03pm
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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 12:02:07pm

re: #60 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“But we have not planned for that.” Since when does this administration plan anything?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:03:02pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

So people like me who were born with asthma have led debauched lives? Good to know.

pretty sure the explanation will be sins of the father for three, four, however many generations…

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:03:17pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

So basically Trump is a dictator, not accountable to anyone and above the law? Why Democrats aren’t running on Trump’s authoritarian tendencies is beyond me.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 12:03:19pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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The good thing about the internet being forever is these douchebags are gonna be out there in 5 years or less, running for reelection on claims that they didn’t support Trump and were “in fact” opposed to his policies.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 12:03:37pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

“…Brooks did try to backpedal later in the interview. “In fairness, a lot of these people with pre-existing conditions, they have those conditions through no fault of their own,” the Alabama congressman told Tapper. “And I think our society, under those circumstances, needs to help. The challenge though is that it’s a tough balancing act between the higher cost of these mandates which denies people coverage because they can’t afford their health insurance policies … and having enough coverage to help those people truly in need.”

Sounds like they might have to organize a “panel” of some sort, maybe made up of Republican officials, to decide who is “truly in need”.

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:04:03pm

re: #67 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’d love to hear how asthma is sinful. Lol.

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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:05:18pm

re: #70 jaunte

Death panels. Someone please call Sarah Palin on the phone and let her know that it is her party which is all about panels to determine who is good enough to be worthy of healthcare.

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here...not here.....here...not...was I even.....  May 14, 2019 • 12:05:45pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

He used to call that shit “weird”. Or “I don’t get that.” Or “Gee.”

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 12:06:27pm
“…it’s a tough balancing act between the higher cost of these mandates which denies people coverage because they can’t afford their health insurance policies”

Mo Brooks trying to elide the difference between insurance that actually pays for healthcare and junk policies that only profit the insurance industry.

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Cheechako  May 14, 2019 • 12:06:46pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Brown slip on shoes with a dark blue suit? How gauche.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 12:07:26pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:07:58pm

re: #59 Backwoods_Sleuth

So they believe that blue states are going to extradict women to red states for prosecution because they exercised their rights to a legal abortion? Are we going back to the days when slaves were kidnapped and returned to their masters? What the hell is going on in this country?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:08:14pm
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 12:08:24pm

They basically think Congress’s job is to do whatever Trump wants.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 12:08:38pm

re: #62 Patricia Kayden

So people like me who were born with asthma have led debauched lives? Good to know.

I hope you enjoyed the debauchery enough to make up for the asthma.

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:09:20pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

Replying to @bradheath
President Trump’s lawyers told a judge today that Congress didn’t have the power to investigate him for corruption, and suggested that both the Whitewater and Watergate investigations were invalid attempts at “law enforcement.” usatoday.com

here’s how you nip this in the ‘butt’

congress has the power to impeach
congress has the oversight power to ‘investigate’ in order to
- substantiate the articles of impeachment
- gather evidence to be used in the impeachment trial

whatever gerald ford said, high crimes and misdemeanors are far more than just misuses of the office. they include transgressions of the law.

best current example: the mueller investigation / report
- managed under the DOJ / AG
- then only partially given to congress
so how does congress determine whether impeachment is warranted if it can’t
- investigate on it’s own
- nor receive the full file
- nor do it’s own follow up

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:09:27pm
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 12:09:44pm

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

Death panels. Someone please call Sarah Palin on the phone and let her know that it is her party which is all about panels to determine who is good enough to be worthy of healthcare.

She sure is hell quiet these days despite being Trump’s early booster. I’m shocked she hasn’t gotten a job yet.

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:10:03pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

The good thing about the internet being forever is these douchebags are gonna be out there in 5 years or less, running for reelection on claims that they didn’t support Trump and were “in fact” opposed to his policies.

‘we got him by the socks’

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 12:10:34pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I would have immediately felt compelled to ask this goober how impeachment is supposed to work if Congress cannot engage in “law enforcement” and standing DOJ policy is that no sitting president may be indicted. Or who is supposed to investigate corrupt actions by the president if he orders his AG to put the kibosh on all investigations into his actions.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 12:11:01pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

So they believe that blue states are going to extradict women to red states for prosecution because they exercised their rights to a legal abortion? Are we going back to the days when slaves were kidnapped and returned to their masters? What the hell is going on in this country?

And how might they justify extraditing someone for doing something in another state that is legal in that other state? Wouldn’t that take a federal law?

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:11:18pm

re: #70 jaunte

Sounds like they might have to organize a “panel” of some sort, maybe made up of Republican officials, to decide who is “truly in need”.

so now we’re talking lifestyle choices?
diet / eating, smoking, drinking, exercise, ad nauseam

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Mike Lamb  May 14, 2019 • 12:11:26pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

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What if that had been Obama?, part 2003438293421.

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:12:50pm

re: #75 Cheechako

Brown slip on shoes with a dark blue suit? How gauche.

woody allen, standup comic

I know how to dress better now, but I was not a good dresser a short while ago. You don’t wear argyle with dark blue. I had on dark blue socks and an argyle suit.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 12:12:55pm

re: #87 DangerMan

“Hey, it’s your fault you responded to that 9/11 emergency. You didn’t see Trump sprinting down to lower Manhattan, and he’s fine!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:13:58pm

re: #83 HappyWarrior

She sure is hell quiet these days despite being Trump’s early booster. I’m shocked she hasn’t gotten a job yet.

he got her to eat crappy pizza with a fork off a paper plate
she failed the food test

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Teukka  May 14, 2019 • 12:14:23pm

Note on the Chernobyl miniseries realism. A comment to a youtube clip on the melted down exposed core:
I feel like i have passed my yearly radiation quota just by watching this.

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Citizen K  May 14, 2019 • 12:14:38pm

re: #76 jaunte

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From the same party that called Obama a tyrant and said he was trying to act like a king, because he appointed ‘Czars’.

It’s all projection, they want an emperor with an (R) behind their name, that’s all it ever fucking was. And they’re getting away with it wholesale because everything fucking sucks and nothing matters.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 12:16:15pm

re: #93 Citizen K

From the same party that called Obama a tyrant and said he was trying to act like a king, because he appointed ‘Czars’.

It’s all projection, they want an emperor with an (R) behind their name, that’s all it ever fucking was. And they’re getting away with it wholesale because everything fucking sucks and nothing matters.

The party of “law & order” is totally okay with an argument in court that a president is above the law so long as he has an AG who acts as his enforcer.

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:16:29pm

re: #93 Citizen K

From the same party that called Obama a tyrant and said he was trying to act like a king, because he appointed ‘Czars’.

It’s all projection, they want an emperor with an (R) behind their name, that’s all it ever fucking was. And they’re getting away with it wholesale because everything fucking sucks and nothing matters.

obama’s problem was he spelled ‘Tsar’ wrong //

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Teukka  May 14, 2019 • 12:16:51pm

re: #92 Teukka

Note on the Chernobyl miniseries realism. A comment to a youtube clip on the melted down exposed core:
I feel like i have passed my yearly radiation quota just by watching this.

NSFW.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 14, 2019 • 12:20:40pm

still pissed about Biden.

Republicans treated Obama like shit during his term. Biden should have his back on this one.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:21:48pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:24:02pm
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HappyWarrior  May 14, 2019 • 12:24:21pm

re: #98 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yeah we get it Pack, you only know how to scare voters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:25:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 12:25:57pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 14, 2019 • 12:34:26pm

re: #80 calochortus

I hope you enjoyed the debauchery enough to make up for the asthma.

I’ve had asthma forever so no. I need to find out what my great great grandparents did in the sin department to pass it on down to me and others in my family.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 12:36:51pm

re: #103 Patricia Kayden

I’ve had asthma forever so no. I need to find out what my great great grandparents did in the sin department to pass it on down to me and others in my family.

OK, I hope your ancestors enjoyed their sin. ;)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 12:38:08pm

re: #63 Backwoods_Sleuth

This is perfectly complete immunity for the President.

The DoJ has ruled that the President cannot be indicted, even for criminal acts conducted as President, while he’s still in office. It’s up to Congress to investigate, impeach, and try if appropriate.

Now the President’s lawyers are arguing that Congress has no authority to investigate the President for criminal activity.

So, if the DoJ can’t indict, and can’t turn over its investigative evidence to Congress, and the Congress can’t investigate on its own, the President can neither be indicted while in office nor impeached to be removed from office.

Pretty damn sure there’s no scintilla of this immunity in the Constitution.

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 12:40:52pm

Jesus and the Patriot Beet Farmers!!

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 12:43:23pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

This is perfectly complete immunity for the President.

The DoJ has ruled that the President cannot be indicted, even for criminal acts conducted as President, while he’s still in office. It’s up to Congress to investigate, impeach, and try if appropriate.

Now the President’s lawyers are arguing that Congress has no authority to investigate the President for criminal activity.

So, if the DoJ can’t indict, and can’t turn over its investigative evidence to Congress, and the Congress can’t investigate on its own, the President can neither be indicted while in office nor impeached to be removed from office.

Pretty damn sure there’s no scintilla of this immunity in the Constitution.

Tell Trump if he wants immunity, he’ll have to be vaccinated. If we’re lucky, his head will explode.

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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 12:47:02pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

This is perfectly complete immunity for the President.

The DoJ has ruled that the President cannot be indicted, even for criminal acts conducted as President, while he’s still in office. It’s up to Congress to investigate, impeach, and try if appropriate.

Now the President’s lawyers are arguing that Congress has no authority to investigate the President for criminal activity.

So, if the DoJ can’t indict, and can’t turn over its investigative evidence to Congress, and the Congress can’t investigate on its own, the President can neither be indicted while in office nor impeached to be removed from office.

Pretty damn sure there’s no scintilla of this immunity in the Constitution.

this pretzel logic of theirs is mindnumbingly convoluted

- SCOTUS has generally ruled to enforce a subpoena issued by the House or the Senate in furtherance of a particular power granted to Congress in the Constitution. Well,
- generally, that has tended to be the legislative power
- congress also has the power to impeach and remove from office

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 12:47:48pm

Oh My!

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 12:48:25pm
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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 14, 2019 • 12:55:47pm

(snerk) Philip Glass’s 4’33” Deathmetal cover:

John Cage - 4’ 33” Death Metal Cover by Dead Territory [ORIGINAL VIDEO]

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 12:56:26pm
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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 12:57:20pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

I reported it as such

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William Lewis  May 14, 2019 • 12:58:47pm

re: #111 Eric The Fruit Bat

(snerk) Philip Glass’s 4’33” Deathmetal cover:

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Video

exquisite. But for real balls, I want a version live in concert ;)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2019 • 12:58:49pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Biden really wants to portray this narrative that Republicans in Congress are just hoodwinked by Trumpism and once Trump is gone they’ll magically start being reasonable partners in democracy. I can’t express how naive and insulting I find that and it’s upsetting because Biden who was Obama’s VP should know better than that. Joe, you’re going to be the subject of many books and articles by right wingers everywhere insisting that you’re a Marxist who hates the Baby Jesus and wants to turn our children into gay transgendered Muslims. I don’t need you to hate Republicans but I do need you to be aware that they’re not our buddies.

Let him talk nice as long as he governs tough

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:02:00pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:02:08pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

He really should know better. He was Obama’s VP for 8 years and in the Senate during Clinton’s 8 years.

I suspect he does, but a lot of voters like this kind of happy talk. The media does encourage them to believe “both sides” are responsible for DC gridlock.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:03:01pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Glad I reported Ginger Snapped!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 1:04:17pm

re: #106 Dave In Austin

band name: Captain Beetheart and the Patriot Farmers

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 1:04:48pm

re: #109 Dave In Austin

Oh My!

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dammit…I should have kept reading…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:08:55pm

re: #40 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Charles Johnson  May 14, 2019 • 1:09:00pm

The Rage Furby is now threatening to sue the Yahoo News reporter.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:11:20pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

The Rage Furby is now threatening to sue the Yahoo News reporter.

Stupid fucker never changes his tricks does he?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:11:39pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:12:20pm

re: #122 Charles Johnson

Did anyone reset the Chuck C Johnson Lawsuit Clock?

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 1:12:59pm

WUT

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:14:11pm

re: #126 The Vicious Babushka

WUT

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The Environment is ONLY water and air??? Must’ve missed that in my science classes…

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:16:43pm

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

I’d love to hear how asthma is sinful. Lol.

If you were righteous, God wouldn’t have given you asthma.//

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 1:17:06pm

re: #127 Eclectic Cyborg

The Environment is ONLY water and air??? Must’ve missed that in my science classes…

///

While at the same time he is trashing regulations to allow corporations to foul the air and poison the water supply, all in the name of JERBS

BTW Flint still doesn’t have potable water.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:17:38pm

This is interesting: Remember those three people found shot up with a crossbow in a German hotel?

Fox News (yes, I know…) is running a story stating they were “Medieval Combat Enthusiasts”

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Teukka  May 14, 2019 • 1:18:49pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

This is interesting: Remember those three people found shot up with a crossbow in a German hotel?

Fox News (yes, I know…) is running a story stating they were “Medieval Combat Enthusiasts”

Just a hunch, but is information emerging they may be national romantic enthusiasts or nationalists?

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:20:46pm

re: #86 calochortus

And how might they justify extraditing someone for doing something in another state that is legal in that other state? Wouldn’t that take a federal law?

For illegally conspiring in Georgia to murder her fetus.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 14, 2019 • 1:22:11pm

re: #92 Teukka

Note on the Chernobyl miniseries realism. A comment to a youtube clip on the melted down exposed core:
I feel like i have passed my yearly radiation quota just by watching this.

Its a horror show, except it really happened.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 1:24:44pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

This is interesting: Remember those three people found shot up with a crossbow in a German hotel?

Fox News (yes, I know…) is running a story stating they were “Medieval Combat Enthusiasts”

I suspect their enthusiasm waned pretty quickly.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:25:09pm

London (CNN Business)The outlook for Germany’s Bayer looks increasingly grim as court damages tied to the weedkiller Roundup begin to pile up.

A jury in California on Monday awarded more than $2 billion to a couple who claimed that the product caused their cancer. Bayer (BAYRY), the inventor of aspirin, bought Roundup maker Monsanto just last year.

The largest Roundup-related damages award so far underscores the massive legal bill Bayer could owe in the United States, where the company faces lawsuits from roughly 13,400 plaintiffs.

That exposure recently sparked a shareholder revolt against the management of the drug and chemicals giant.

Investors have cause to be upset. Bayer shares fell more than 2% Tuesday, and have dropped more than 45% in the past year.

The company has vowed to fight back, though the path forward appears difficult.

It said in a statement Monday that it was “disappointed with the jury’s decision” and would appeal the verdict.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 1:26:24pm

re: #128 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If you were righteous, God wouldn’t have given you asthma.//

You chose your grandparents poorly.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 1:26:49pm

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Biden really wants to portray this narrative that Republicans in Congress are just hoodwinked by Trumpism and once Trump is gone they’ll magically start being reasonable partners in democracy. …..I don’t need you to hate Republicans but I do need you to be aware that they’re not our buddies.

Hate seems exactly like the right emotion to have towards contemporary Republican office holders, at least those in Washington. They are our enemies

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 1:28:33pm

re: #49 Citizen K

We’re never going to recover from this presidency, not for a generation or more.

FTFY

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 1:30:47pm

Everyone wants to be a Viking these days

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:32:57pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

Bayer has nothing to worry about. The corrupted Supreme Court will come to their rescue!

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 1:36:01pm

Wife just told me Tim Conway passed today.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:39:55pm

re: #71 Patricia Kayden

I’d love to hear how asthma is sinful. Lol.

Well, having epilepsy means you’re possessed by demons.

Why not? Florida’s divorce court bought that from my first wife, and used it to deny me visitation with my son.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:42:04pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

So they believe that blue states are going to extradict women to red states for prosecution because they exercised their rights to a legal abortion? Are we going back to the days when slaves were kidnapped and returned to their masters? What the hell is going on in this country?

The idea would be if said woman returned to her home and family in Georgia after leaving the state for an abortion. Extradition would not be part of it.

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 1:44:31pm

re: #141 Dave In Austin

Wife just told me Tim Conway passed today.

Heard it earlier. So both Mermaid Man and Barnacle Boy are gone.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:44:55pm

re: #72 Patricia Kayden

Death panels. Someone please call Sarah Palin on the phone and let her know that it is her party which is all about panels to determine who is good enough to be worthy of healthcare.

“We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada,” she said, in what the article describes as a reference specifically to Saskatchewan. “And I think now, isn’t that ironic.”

politico.com (March 8, 2010)

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 1:47:12pm

I keep thinking Tim Conway was a country singer.

Showing my lack of age there I guess. The Carol Burnett Show was a bit before my time.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 1:47:24pm

re: #86 calochortus

And how might they justify extraditing someone for doing something in another state that is legal in that other state? Wouldn’t that take a federal law?

That’s what comes after striking down Roe. A federal law banning abortion.

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 1:50:51pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep thinking Tim Conway was a country singer.

Showing my lack of age there I guess. The Carol Burnett Show was a bit before my time.

Thinking Conway Twitty maybe

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 1:50:59pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep thinking Tim Conway was a country singer.

Showing my lack of age there I guess. The Carol Burnett Show was a bit before my time.

We’ve shown our kids a few episodes, and my middle one took it on himself to watch most of it. Everyone has to see the Gone With the Wind spoof.

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austin_blue  May 14, 2019 • 1:51:44pm

re: #146 Eclectic Cyborg

I keep thinking Tim Conway was a country singer.

Showing my lack of age there I guess. The Carol Burnett Show was a bit before my time.

Try McHale’s Navy!

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goddamnedfrank  May 14, 2019 • 1:57:31pm
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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 1:58:14pm
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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 1:58:19pm

re: #115 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Let him talk nice as long as he governs tough

+1

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:00:41pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

They have to have their access to mainstream social media to spread their fascistic ideas. That’s why sites like Gab are failing.

If lolbertarian douchebros like Dorsey and Zuckerberg weren’t fellow travellers, the rest of the Nazi douchecanoes would be restricted to Mimeograph machines.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 14, 2019 • 2:01:26pm

re: #77 Patricia Kayden

So they believe that blue states are going to extradict women to red states for prosecution because they exercised their rights to a legal abortion? Are we going back to the days when slaves were kidnapped and returned to their masters? What the hell is going on in this country?

I’m sure that the GOP members will soon push for the Fugitive Female Incubator Act to be passed so that such an approach can be made legal and turned over to Federal law enforcement to enforce.
//

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 2:05:10pm

What kind of brain worms would drive you to listen to that.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:05:41pm

re: #149 Belafon

We’ve shown our kids a few episodes, and my middle one took it on himself to watch most of it. Everyone has to see the Gone With the Wind spoof.

(21:06)

Went with the Wind

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 2:06:35pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 2:07:26pm
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DangerMan  May 14, 2019 • 2:10:46pm

re: #156 jaunte

3 Florida radio stations vow to broadcast Trump speeches daily until end of 2020 election

What kind of brain worms would drive you to listen to that.

meanwhile in Jupiter, Fl - (home of the chinese massage-gate parlor thing)


Judge: Florida-based broadcaster is Russian foreign agent

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EPR-radar  May 14, 2019 • 2:13:03pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

Someone with ‘killthesaracen’ in their social media handle should be banned for that alone.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:14:08pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

I love how so many “kill em all” types have Latin crosses in their profiles or names.

So glad I’m not religious, since it teaches people to murder children.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 2:14:51pm

re: #149 Belafon

We’ve shown our kids a few episodes, and my middle one took it on himself to watch most of it. Everyone has to see the Gone With the Wind spoof.

Mrs. FBW got a Carol Burnett Show DVD set out of the library. What I found was that mostly, they’re 40 miuntes of dreck. I say this sadly, because that show was one of the highlights of my week, as a kid. We all remember the classic sketches and forget the dreck.

But there was a lot of gold in there amidst the dreck.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 2:15:10pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 2:15:31pm

re: #140 Joe Bacon 🌹

Bayer has nothing to worry about. The corrupted Supreme Court will come to their rescue!

If I were a totally depraved vulture creator-class Republican investor, I would buy Bayer stock on that assumption.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:20:33pm

re: #165 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If I were a totally depraved vulture creator-class Republican investor, I would buy Bayer stock on that assumption.

It’s possible Bayer could be wiped out from this. With suits here piling up, I imagine suits will be brought in other countries where RoundUp is sold.

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EPR-radar  May 14, 2019 • 2:21:40pm

re: #162 Anymouse 🌹

I love how so many “kill em all” types have Latin crosses in their profiles or names.

So glad I’m not religious, since it teaches people to murder children.

I had not realized that Twitter was such a cesspit that killthesaracen was an acceptable user name.

Or perhaps Twitter’s pitiful attempt at policing its own can be fooled by archaic terminology, like ‘Saracen’ for ‘Muslim’.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 2:22:01pm

re: #148 Eventual Carrion

Thinking Conway Twitty maybe

Yeah probably a cross between him and Tim Mcgraw maybe.

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William Lewis  May 14, 2019 • 2:23:41pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

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Out of respect for Charles’ rules, i am a speechless leftist …

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 14, 2019 • 2:24:50pm

re: #163 Blind Frog Belly White

But there was a lot of gold in there amidst the dreck.

Yeah-but this blooper is the shit:

Carol Burnett Show outtakes - Tim Conway’s Elephant Story

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:26:04pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

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It tweets like a Russian Troll.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 2:26:06pm

The RWNJs and Muslims…I swear it’s like complaining about all the shit that’s burning while continually throwing gasoline on the fire.

Muslims are animals, they’re terrorists. They HATE AMERICA. Caliphate! Fuck those people! They want to kill us all. BURN THEM! BURN THEM!

Did you ever think about WHY they hate America? Pretty sure morons like you have a lot to do with it.

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danarchy  May 14, 2019 • 2:31:06pm

re: #166 Anymouse 🌹

It’s possible Bayer could be wiped out from this. With suits here piling up, I imagine suits will be brought in other countries where RoundUp is sold.

I fully expect all of these rulings to be overturned on appeal eventually. Not because of any corruption, but because decades of widespread glyphosate use has led to some of the largest and best studies possible and they just don’t support a link to NHL. Problem is you start dropping hard science on 12 random jurors and they basically tune out.

Even the few studies that find a link only do so at the very highest levels of agricultural exposure and the association is tenuous at best.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 2:31:18pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

The RWNJs and Muslims…I swear it’s like complaining about all the shit that’s burning while continually throwing gasoline on the fire.

Muslims are animals, they’re terrorists. They HATE AMERICA. Caliphate! Fuck those people! They want to kill us all. BURN THEM! BURN THEM!

Did you ever think about WHY they hate America? Pretty sure morons like you have a lot to do with it.

Like I’ve said, if you think violence is the only language “they” understand, maybe it’s because it’s the only language you speak.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 2:32:47pm

re: #173 danarchy

I fully expect all of these rulings to be overturned on appeal eventually. Not because of any corruption, but because decades of widespread glyphosate use has led to some of the largest and best studies possible they just don’t support a link to NHL. Problem is you start dropping hard science on 12 random jurors and they basically tune out.

Even the few studies that find a link only do so at the very highest levels of agricultural exposure and the association is tenuous at best.

This is the problem I have - juries making scientific determinations without any training, because if you had any scientific training you’d be bumped off the jury.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 2:33:50pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 2:35:18pm
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Mike Lamb  May 14, 2019 • 2:35:42pm

re: #176 jaunte

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The Blasey-Ford Whitewash, pt. 2.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 2:37:00pm
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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 2:38:55pm

From downstairs — additional thoughts on this scene from “Chernobyl”

re: #254 HappyWarrior

The Belorussian official. His smug reaction when she reminds him that she’s a scientist and he was working in a shoe factory. You need a government that runs on merit. To me, I’m seeing the story as the fallacy of what happens when you only have your ideology to guide you and this case it was Soviet Communism but it could just as easily been Capitalism.

After the nuclear physicist warns him of the dangers of Chernobyl, the Byelorussian official tells her that he’s been assured that everything is under control: “I prefer my opinion to yours” and, in response to her comparison of their credentials: “I worked in a shoe factory and now I’m in charge”.

He seems to be a perfect model of a Trump voter, Faux News adherent, and climate change denier. Expertise is devalued — the opinions of uneducated persons in power are accorded more respect than the educated analysis of those with knowledge. It is identical to our news media segments which present a debate between professors with a background in a field and some Gish Galloping lobbyist.

Now it is also true that she could have been more diplomatic when she pointed out his deficiencies — after all, the Trump voters hold grudges against those who they think hold them in contempt and it’s often not the best strategy to offend someone whose assistance you need. But the point she made was certainly true. And we are now being ruled here by an arrogant administration who refuses to listen to anyone who doesn’t share their dishonest perspective.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 2:39:02pm

re: #167 EPR-radar

I had not realized that Twitter was such a cesspit that killthesaracen was an acceptable user name.

Or perhaps Twitter’s pitiful attempt at policing its own can be fooled by archaic terminology, like ‘Saracen’ for ‘Muslim’.

Or maybe Twitter is run by fellow travelers.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 2:39:30pm
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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 2:40:23pm

re: #179 gocart mozart

Failed actor Michael Knowles quit his job to mine wingnut gold.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 14, 2019 • 2:40:43pm

re: #172 Eclectic Cyborg

The RWNJs and Muslims…I swear it’s like complaining about all the shit that’s burning while continually throwing gasoline on the fire.

As John Cole from Balloon Juice once opined, the only difference between our Christian Fundamentalists and the Whahabi sect of Islam is one uses a cross and the other a Crescent moon.

To me, the parallels is that the Shia are akin to a very militant form of Catholicism, and the Sunni’s are like our Protestant Fundamentalists.

At the same time, if one was to read the Qu’ran, you would see many references to “The People of the Book” (i.e. Bible).

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 2:43:01pm

re: #177 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

He probably thinks going to war with Iran will make oil cheaper.

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garzooma  May 14, 2019 • 2:44:55pm

re: #105 Blind Frog Belly White

This is perfectly complete immunity for the President.

Shooting someone on Fifth Avenue is now in play.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 2:48:26pm

So — why was it that Clinton was forced to testify in the Paula Jones case while President but Trump is exempt from any type of prosecution? Civil cases can proceed but criminal cases cannot?

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 2:48:45pm

“…Earlier [in October 2016], the group of computer scientists passed the logs to Paul Vixie. In the world of DNS experts, there’s no higher authority. Vixie wrote central strands of the DNS code that makes the internet work. After studying the logs, he concluded, “The parties were communicating in a secretive fashion. The operative word is secretive. This is more akin to what criminal syndicates do if they are putting together a project.” Put differently, the logs suggested that Trump and Alfa had configured something like a digital hotline connecting the two entities, shutting out the rest of the world, and designed to obscure its own existence. Over the summer, the scientists observed the communications trail from a distance.”

“…Once more, for emphasis before we move on: Franklin Foer had “Trump organization server + Alfa Bank + Spectrum Health,” while Chris Steele had “Manafort + Alfa Bank,” independent of each other, and that’s quite frankly kinda stunning. Foer’s sources said the interactions were designed so as to be concealed. Steele said Manafort and Alfa were using TOR software and a hidden server. It sure does appear to be the same story, from two different directions, with two completely different lines of sourcing.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 2:49:50pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

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He probably thinks going to war with Iran will make oil cheaper.

He probably thinks we can just go in there and take it

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Teukka  May 14, 2019 • 2:53:00pm

re: #158 gocart mozart

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I wonder how close to the line of crossing 18 USC § 1091 (c) @killthesaracen is?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 2:54:56pm

re: #189 Backwoods_Sleuth

He probably thinks we can just go in there and take it

IIRC, he was saying that we should have taken Iraq’s oil ‘before we left’, as if they have it all in warehouses or something, rather than having to pump it out of the ground.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 14, 2019 • 2:58:18pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 2:58:21pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

IIRC, he was saying that we should have taken Iraq’s oil ‘before we left’, as if they have it all in warehouses or something, rather than having to pump it out of the ground.

pretty much my recollection as well.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 3:01:52pm

re: #191 Blind Frog Belly White

IIRC, he was saying that we should have taken Iraq’s oil ‘before we left’, as if they have it all in warehouses or something, rather than having to pump it out of the ground.

We can just store it at Mar a Lago and Bedminster.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:01:57pm
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Jay C  May 14, 2019 • 3:02:49pm

re: #185 Blind Frog Belly White

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He probably thinks going to war with Iran will make oil cheaper.

Maybe: but since a war (or even the serious threat of one) will boost oil prices, which will further enrich his BFFs in Saudi Arabia, I’m not sure he much cares (even if one assumes Trump HAS even thought things out this far: a dubious proposition IMO).

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 3:02:51pm
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KGxvi  May 14, 2019 • 3:03:54pm

re: #190 Teukka

I wonder how close to the line of crossing 18 USC § 1091 (c) @killthesaracen is?

Not very. Courts have created a lot of rules to slow down claims of incitement. It’s actually fairly hard to prove in most cases. Under Brandenburg v Ohio you have to prove intent, imminence, and likelihood.

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Jay C  May 14, 2019 • 3:05:07pm

re: #197 jaunte

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As the old (c. 2017) saying went: MAGA = My Attorneys Get Attorneys

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KGxvi  May 14, 2019 • 3:05:09pm

re: #197 jaunte

If nothing else, the Trump administration has been a boom for lawyers. A perpetual billing machine.

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jaunte  May 14, 2019 • 3:09:11pm
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Cheechako  May 14, 2019 • 3:12:03pm

re: #176 jaunte

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Note - this is the Senate Intelligence Committee (oxymoron?). I don’t think this would happen at the House Intelligence Committee.

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 3:13:00pm

re: #196 Jay C

Maybe: but since a war (or even the serious threat of one) will boost oil prices, which will further enrich his BFFs in Saudi Arabia, I’m not sure he much cares (even if one assumes Trump HAS even thought things out this far: a dubious proposition IMO).

Russia wouldn’t be too unhappy with higher oil prices either.

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 3:13:52pm

re: #155 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m sure that the GOP members will soon push for the Fugitive Female Incubator Act to be passed so that such an approach can be made legal and turned over to Federal law enforcement to enforce.
//

On the other hand we can count the pregnant ones for 6/5ths of a person on the census.

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 3:15:03pm

re: #197 jaunte

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Like someone here posted a while back:

Making
Attorneys
Get
Attorneys

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 3:16:04pm

re: #199 Jay C

As the old (c. 2017) saying went: MAGA = My Attorneys Get Attorneys

Was the first thing that came to my mind

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 3:16:54pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:24:30pm

re: #201 jaunte

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“it takes all time for all the chromosomes to come together”…

WHAT???

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 3:27:07pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

“it takes all time for all the chromosomes to come together”…

WHAT???

Scientific Ensoulment™

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 3:27:37pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

“it takes all time for all the chromosomes to come together”…

WHAT???

Roll Tide.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 3:29:47pm

Neil Young needs to write a new verse for “Alabama”!

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 3:31:22pm
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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 3:32:00pm

re: #211 Joe Bacon 🌹

Neil Young needs to write a new verse for “Alabama”!

Every state has its virtues. We’re very…consistent.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 3:32:25pm

re: #208 Backwoods_Sleuth

“it takes all time for all the chromosomes to come together”…

WHAT???

Exactly. I can’t begin to count how many brain cells I lost reading that.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 3:32:26pm

Every Republican should be charged with Obstruction.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 3:32:48pm

re: #201 jaunte

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 3:33:55pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Every state has its virtues. We’re very…consistent.

Honestly seeing the stupidity going on makes me feel like Robot B9 from Lost In Space and I want to scream THAT DOES NOT COMPUTE!

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 3:33:56pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 14, 2019 • 3:38:07pm

re: #216 gocart mozart

The tide comes in,
the tide goes out,
you can’t ‘splain that!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:38:46pm

re: #214 Eclectic Cyborg

Exactly. I can’t begin to count how many brain cells I lost reading that.

my take-away is that, unlike popular fundie opinion that life starts at conception, one is not officially “pregnant” until “all the chromosomes come together”.

SCIENCE!!!

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Stanley Sea  May 14, 2019 • 3:38:49pm

re: #202 Cheechako

Were you close to the tourist planes crashing?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:40:38pm

“all the chromosomes come together”…

it’s like a Beatles tune.

Or messy sexytimes…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:41:52pm

HACKBERRY!!11!!

how appropriate…

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 3:42:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:43:05pm

WEALTHIER!

WEATHIER, I SAY!!!

SAFER and INDEPENDENT!!!

what a fucking moron

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 3:43:12pm

re: #222 Backwoods_Sleuth

“all the chromosomes come together”…

it’s like a Beatles tune.

Or messy sexytimes…

The Beatles - Come Together

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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 3:44:41pm

re: #224 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Iraq:

Rumsfeld, 2/7/03: “It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Cheney, 3/16/03: “I think it will go relatively quickly, … (in) weeks rather than months”

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 3:45:24pm

re: #224 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

The drones will be home before Christmas.

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jeffreyw  May 14, 2019 • 3:45:30pm

re: #130 Eclectic Cyborg

This is interesting: Remember those three people found shot up with a crossbow in a German hotel?

Fox News (yes, I know…) is running a story stating they were “Medieval Combat Enthusiasts”

Reservoir Mastiffs

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 3:45:33pm

“It takes time for all the chromosomes to come together.”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 3:46:10pm

re: #227 Eventual Carrion

Iraq:

Rumsfeld, 2/7/03: “It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Cheney, 3/16/03: “I think it will go relatively quickly, … (in) weeks rather than months”

And, of course, we’ll be welcomed as liberators.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:47:59pm

re: #231 Blind Frog Belly White

And, of course, we’ll be welcomed as liberators.

we’ll be liberating that oil faster than you can blink

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:49:08pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:49:18pm
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Eventual Carrion  May 14, 2019 • 3:49:29pm

re: #232 Backwoods_Sleuth

we’ll be liberating that oil faster than you can blink

Operation Iran Liberation

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:52:01pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 3:52:20pm

We had a hell of a time dealing with an insurgency in a divided country of 25 Million. Imagine these fuckups dealing with a now-united* country of 81 Million.

*because you know what unites a nation like nothing else? Being attacked from outside.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 3:54:03pm

re: #233 Backwoods_Sleuth

The only way to get McConnell to care about Russian interference in the election would be for the Russians to start helping the Democrats.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 3:58:15pm

hey HW…found my illegal immigrant Irish/Fenian great-grandfather listed in the 1940 US Census. I had no idea he was still alive then.
But the BIGGER surprise was that his place of birth was listed as “Irish Free State”, which was only in legal existence from 1922-1937 (and he was born in 1873). In all previous Census reports, his birthplace was listed as Ireland. For whatever reason, something got his Fenian back reared up for the 1940 Census.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 4:01:00pm

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 4:01:13pm

re: #236 Backwoods_Sleuth

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That turd needs to be flushed from the Senate.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 4:01:38pm

John Cage: Living room music (1940)
The middle Part II reminds me a bit of this

Fatboy Slim - Weapon Of Choice [Official Video]


Did John Cage invent techno in 1939

John Cage: First Construction (1939)

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 4:02:32pm

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Good birb. 14/10

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 4:03:04pm

re: #240 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

If Trump really was chosen by God to lead America, it can only be as punishment for something.

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 4:03:48pm

re: #239 Backwoods_Sleuth

hey HW…found my illegal immigrant Irish/Fenian great-grandfather listed in the 1940 US Census. I had no idea he was still alive then.
But the BIGGER surprise was that his place of birth was listed as “Irish Free State”, which was only in legal existence from 1922-1937 (and he was born in 1873). In all previous Census reports, his birthplace was listed as Ireland. For whatever reason, something got his Fenian back reared up for the 1940 Census.

For your Fenian File:

en.wikipedia.org

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William Lewis  May 14, 2019 • 4:04:11pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

If Trump really was chosen by God to lead America, it can only be as punishment for something.

Punishment for allowing evangelicals fundamentalists piss on Christianity in America?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:05:30pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

LOL, TY!

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 4:06:01pm

re: #244 Blind Frog Belly White

If Trump really was chosen by God to lead America, it can only be as punishment for something.

It’s punishment for voting Republican. A nation is responsible for what it creates and what it tolerates. Ask the people of Berlin.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 4:06:04pm

re: #246 William Lewis

Punishment for allowing evangelicals fundamentalists piss on Christianity in America?

That’d be ironic, wouldn’t it, after all the fundies blaming every natural disaster that hits someplace they don’t like on us not being sufficiently hateful to LGBT folks and the Muslims.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 14, 2019 • 4:07:02pm

re: #227 Eventual Carrion

Iraq:

Rumsfeld, 2/7/03: “It could last six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.”

Cheney, 3/16/03: “I think it will go relatively quickly, … (in) weeks rather than months”

“Mission Accomplished”

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Cheechako  May 14, 2019 • 4:07:37pm

re: #221 Stanley Sea

Were you close to the tourist planes crashing?

No. The float plane collision was about 10 miles north of Ketchikan, about 200 miles south of Juneau. This is the third or fourth float plane accident in the past 4 years involving float plane tour operators operating out of Ketchikan. I believe there have been in the neighborhood of 20 - 25 fatalities in total.

There has been development of an excellent system, Capstone, to prevent this sort of accident. It combines FAA aircraft location radio signals with GPS mapping to display the location of any other aircraft and the terrain in the vicinity of your aircraft. The display is on an I Pod type screen mounted in the aircraft.

I’ve seen a couple of accident reports where tour pilots have turned the system off in good weather because, with all the tourist flights operating at the same time in the same general areas, the warning alarms kept sounding. This made the tourists very nervous

.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:07:40pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

For your Fenian File:

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en.wikipedia.org

LOLOLOLOLOLOL…
this is just so perfectly typical for anything related to Fenian invasions in America:

During extensive trials, Holland made numerous dives and test-fired the gun using dummy projectiles. However, due to funding disputes within the IRB and disagreement over payments from the IRB to Holland, the IRB stole Fenian Ram and the Holland III prototype in November 1883.[3] They took the submarine to New Haven, Connecticut, but discovered that no one knew how to operate it. Holland refused to help. Unable to use or sell the boat, the Brotherhood had the Ram hauled into a shed on the Mill River.

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 4:12:23pm

re: #248 Decatur Deb

It’s punishment for voting Republican. A nation is responsible for what it creates and what it tolerates. Ask the people of Berlin.

I know 4 people of Berlin. One just graduated from medical school. One just got a BA, or whatever they serve over there, and is continuing to graduate school in… sociology! The other two are their parents. One of them is my brother. The other is the smartest one in the family (extended in all directions).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:14:12pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 14, 2019 • 4:23:35pm

So last night at dinner with the Trump-supporting side of the fam, I learned several things.

1. Property taxes are slavery. If you own property and pay property taxes, you are not free.
2. Things were better in the 1800’s when everyone had to fend for themselves.
3. It would be better if we had volunteer fire departments (so we wouldn’t have to pay taxes, of course).
4. You can not be a moral person without God (which God wasn’t specified) in your life. This one got a rise out of me, as I’m atheist and consider myself a “moral person.”
5. When your fence fell down, people would come by and put it back up for you. This again was another swipe at city services.
6. But the best one was my stepfather (who was wearing a polo shirt with the Constitution splattered all over it, and was wearing a USA hat made in China) said “Without this (the Constitution) we are done as nation (he’s never read it, by the way).”

P.S. Also, liberals have mental disorders.

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 4:24:08pm

re: #252 Backwoods_Sleuth

LOLOLOLOLOLOL…
this is just so perfectly typical for anything related to Fenian invasions in America:

Holland was a wild Irishman. He started as a Christian Brother math teacher, but medicaled out. After the US government turned down his sub designs, he was funded (sometimes) by the Fenians, who are thus the godfathers of the modern submarine.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 4:24:37pm

Made the mistake of looking in on David French’s Twitter feed, since he’s now being castigated for daring to criticize Fallwell Jr. for hypocrisy. I was quickly reminded that they ain’t like us. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy’s enemy.

Beyond that? Often they’re smarmy fucks who think all babies are perfect, and all unwanted babies are adopted by loving families who provide them with a beautiful gingerbread life, and yet somehow they never, ever mention providing free contraception to women everywhere, without shaming them - you know, like Planned Parenthood does.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:25:02pm

I love Infrastructure Week

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:32:52pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Holland was a wild Irishman. He started as a Christian Brother math teacher, but medicaled out. After the US government turned down his sub designs, he was funded (sometimes) by the Fenians, who are thus the godfathers of the modern submarine.

One of my favorite family stories from my Irish grandmother (RIP) was everything about the Fenian Invasion of Canada in 1866 (in which, allegedly, several of my great and very grand uncles, cousins, whatever, partook).

A masterful clusterfuck for the ages.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 14, 2019 • 4:37:17pm

re: #255 Ace Rothstein

People who don’t understand history are doomed to have shitty ideas about the past. We are a communal species, we flourish in creativity in community. Without shared experiences (help along by those slave creating taxes) we could not be what we are as an inventive species. Life would be much less than it is. I am sorry that you our family is made up of libertarian cos-players.

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 4:37:35pm

re: #255 Ace Rothstein

So last night at dinner with the Trump-supporting side of the fam, I learned several things.

1. Property taxes are slavery. If you own property and pay property taxes, you are not free.
2. Things were better in the 1800’s when everyone had to fend for themselves.
3. It would be better if we had volunteer fire departments (so we wouldn’t have to pay taxes, of course).
4. You can not be a moral person without God (which God wasn’t specified) in your life. This one got a rise out of me, as I’m atheist and consider myself a “moral person.”
5. When your fence fell down, people would come by and put it back up for you. This again was another swipe at city services.
6. But the best one was my stepfather (who was wearing a polo shirt with the Constitution splattered all over it, and was wearing a USA hat made in China) said “Without this (the Constitution) we are done as nation (he’s never read it, by the way).”

P.S. Also, liberals have mental disorders.

So, they don’t own any property, right? That’s how they remain free.

Also, volunteer firefighters get paid, because you don’t want them being really volunteer.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:38:56pm

re: #261 Belafon

So, they don’t own any property, right? That’s how they remain free.

Also, volunteer firefighters get paid, because you don’t want them being really volunteer.

when I was a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I was paid $3 per callout

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:39:41pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

when I was a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I was paid $3 per callout

oh, and we were also supported by property taxes

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steve_davis  May 14, 2019 • 4:40:40pm

re: #4 HappyWarrior

That was two years ago. Still hideous now as it was then. Oh and Mo, you pathetic son of a bitch, I got diagnosed with my heart condition at 13 and my heart condition is in large part due to genetics, so fuck you and your moralistic bullshit, I hope you get a giant herpes sore on your fat right wing chode so not even your right wing wife will want to screw you.

yes, but your heart condition shows that you are not a member of the Elect. Just like if you are dirt poor, that is God showing that you are not a member of the Elect, and therefore you warrant whatever punishment is inflicted on you. And if you think I’m kidding, see Calvinism.

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wrenchwench  May 14, 2019 • 4:41:26pm

re: #263 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh, and we were also supported by property taxes

But no tips?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 14, 2019 • 4:41:52pm

re: #261 Belafon

So, they don’t own any property, right? That’s how they remain free.

Also, volunteer firefighters get paid, because you don’t want them being really volunteer.

I had a co-worker libertarian freak (loved him some von mises institute shit) who actually tried to get his fellow condo owners to practice being firemen “‘cause them firemen is volunteer and they don’t have to show up and probably won’t if there’s a fire…”.

Note, he lived less than 1/8 of mile from the firehouse, too. No explain the “thought” patters that run through a libertarian’s “mind”.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 4:42:17pm

re: #264 steve_davis

yes, but your heart condition shows that you are not a member of the Elect. Just like if you are dirt poor, that is God showing that you are not a member of the Elect, and therefore you warrant whatever punishment is inflicted on you. And if you think I’m kidding, see Calvinism.

When it comes to that asinine doctrine, I refuse to tip toe thru the TULIPs!

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 4:43:38pm

re: #262 Backwoods_Sleuth

when I was a volunteer firefighter/EMT, I was paid $3 per callout

Ours get paid per hour when they have to be in duty. We don’t have fires too often, but they rotate through manning our fire stations.

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steve_davis  May 14, 2019 • 4:44:06pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

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In fairness, he’s trying to find a niche in a really crowded field. We don’t really need another elderly man shouting at the clouds about impeachment and universal, free healthcare.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:45:05pm

re: #265 wrenchwench

But no tips?

some hugs from time to time.

and once, a HUGE bouquet of thank you flowers after we got back to the station following a fire at a horse farm…we saved all the horses and most of the barns.

it’s really REALLY nasty trying to put out horseshit fires.

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steve_davis  May 14, 2019 • 4:46:53pm

re: #32 Backwoods_Sleuth

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(Danaerys on her dragon, listening to the bells)….”That was the worst fucking cup of overcooked Joe I’ve ever had…..Ah, fuck it! Kill them! Kill them all, Drogon!!”

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 4:47:31pm

re: #255 Ace Rothstein

So last night at dinner with the Trump-supporting side of the fam, I learned several things.

1. Property taxes are slavery. If you own property and pay property taxes, you are not free.
2. Things were better in the 1800’s when everyone had to fend for themselves.
3. It would be better if we had volunteer fire departments (so we wouldn’t have to pay taxes, of course).
4. You can not be a moral person without God (which God wasn’t specified) in your life. This one got a rise out of me, as I’m atheist and consider myself a “moral person.”
5. When your fence fell down, people would come by and put it back up for you. This again was another swipe at city services.
6. But the best one was my stepfather (who was wearing a polo shirt with the Constitution splattered all over it, and was wearing a USA hat made in China) said “Without this (the Constitution) we are done as nation (he’s never read it, by the way).”

P.S. Also, liberals have mental disorders.

Tell that to my neighbor, who didn’t do a damned thing about his fence for years until he got a letter from the city about it. The fence was shoddy, portions of it were rotten, and my family had spent years off and on putting it back into place only for the next strong gust of wind to bring it back down. But soon as the city gets on his ass, suddenly that old fence is gone and a brand new one popped up in its place over the span of a weekend.

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Jay C  May 14, 2019 • 4:47:38pm

re: #256 Decatur Deb

Holland was a wild Irishman. He started as a Christian Brother math teacher, but medicaled out. After the US government turned down his sub designs, he was funded (sometimes) by the Fenians, who are thus the godfathers of the modern submarine.

The USN eventually backed him, though: bought a sub from him, and eventually commissioned it as USS Holland (the Navy’s first submarine).
And I guess his Irish nationalism didn’t stop him from selling another model to the British: their first sub was HMS Holland (1902).

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 4:48:48pm

re: #255 Ace Rothstein

So last night at dinner with the Trump-supporting side of the fam, I learned several things.

1. Property taxes are slavery. If you own property and pay property taxes, you are not free.
2. Things were better in the 1800’s when everyone had to fend for themselves.
3. It would be better if we had volunteer fire departments (so we wouldn’t have to pay taxes, of course).
4. You can not be a moral person without God (which God wasn’t specified) in your life. This one got a rise out of me, as I’m atheist and consider myself a “moral person.”
5. When your fence fell down, people would come by and put it back up for you. This again was another swipe at city services.
6. But the best one was my stepfather (who was wearing a polo shirt with the Constitution splattered all over it, and was wearing a USA hat made in China) said “Without this (the Constitution) we are done as nation (he’s never read it, by the way).”

P.S. Also, liberals have mental disorders.

My perennial reply to this is that there if you only act “moral” out of fear of punishment or desire for a reward, you’re no more moral than a toddler, or a slightly trained animal.

It is said that your true ethics are how you behave when nobody’s watching. But if you believe in an omnipresent god, there’s NEVER ‘nobody watching’, is there?

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steve_davis  May 14, 2019 • 4:51:07pm

re: #46 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I have a suspicion that the next time Democrats control the senate with any majority, and they have a president willing to go along, they’ll simply dissolve all the federal circuit courts and replace judges with their own picks. I know that would not ultimately be a good thing, but I doubt that Democrats are going to tolerate being locked into a generational battle with a conservative court that got installed thanks to assistance from a foreign power.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 4:54:35pm

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

My perennial reply to this is that there if you only act “moral” out of fear of punishment or desire for a reward, you’re no more moral than a toddler, or a slightly trained animal.

It is said that your true ethics are how you behave when nobody’s watching. But if you believe in an omnipresent god, there’s NEVER ‘nobody watching’, is there?

Better question for them: What if I’m granted absolution before I die? If the only thing preventing me from being an amoral psychopath is the supposed fear of eternal damnation, then what if I find a priest willing to grant me absolution on my death bed? I rape, murder, and pillage for years…but find forgiveness before I croak. Am I still supposed to face an eternity of punishment if God’s Earthly middle man says the slate’s been wiped clean?

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 4:54:39pm

re: #273 Jay C

The USN eventually backed him, though: bought a sub from him, and eventually commissioned it as USS Holland (the Navy’s first submarine).
And I guess his Irish nationalism didn’t stop him from selling another model to the British: their first sub was HMS Holland (1902).

Condemned as “underhand, unfair and damned un-English” by Admiral Sir Arthur Wilson, then Controller of the Navy.
They bought it anyway.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:54:57pm

re: #275 steve_davis

I have a suspicion that the next time Democrats control the senate with any majority, and they have a president willing to go along, they’ll simply dissolve all the federal circuit courts and replace judges with their own picks. I know that would not ultimately be a good thing, but I doubt that Democrats are going to tolerate being locked into a generational battle with a conservative court that got installed thanks to assistance from a foreign power.

I was actually thinking that a stop would be put to all of this judge for life nonsense (SCOTUS excepted, perhaps).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:56:22pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 4:58:18pm
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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 4:58:36pm

re: #279 Backwoods_Sleuth

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As has been pointed out time and again, attorney-client privilege cannot be used to cover for criminal acts. If these lawyers knew they or their client were suborning perjury, then that is not covered by A-C and they cannot refuse to comply with that subpoena.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:00:47pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

Better question for them: What if I’m granted absolution before I die? If the only thing preventing me from being an amoral psychopath is the supposed fear of eternal damnation, then what if I find a priest willing to grant me absolution on my death bed? I rape, murder, and pillage for years…but find forgiveness before I croak. Am I still supposed to face an eternity of punishment if God’s Earthly middle man says the slate’s been wiped clean?

They’d probably say God would know your fingers are crossed.
//

I dunno, though, because I don’t think most Protestants see their ministers as the one who grants absolution. That’s between the penitent and the Almighty, where there could be no subterfuge.

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Decatur Deb  May 14, 2019 • 5:01:39pm

re: #259 Backwoods_Sleuth

One of my favorite family stories from my Irish grandmother (RIP) was everything about the Fenian Invasion of Canada in 1866 (in which, allegedly, several of my great and very grand uncles, cousins, whatever, partook).

A masterful clusterfuck for the ages.

Easy there. Our distincively-named clan provided a “General”. If I can, I’ll send a sanitized bio.

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William Lewis  May 14, 2019 • 5:01:47pm

re: #274 Blind Frog Belly White

Exactly. Acting out of a fear of hell or hope of heaven is being a slave, not being a moral person.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:02:32pm

re: #280 Backwoods_Sleuth

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“These drugs cannot be sold for use to end human lives.”

“Okay, for the purposes of ‘law enforcement,’ they’re not drugs.”

“What are they then?”

*crickets*

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teleskiguy  May 14, 2019 • 5:03:33pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:03:39pm

re: #278 Backwoods_Sleuth

I was actually thinking that a stop would be put to all of this judge for life nonsense (SCOTUS excepted, perhaps).

I don’t have a problem with judgeships being for life. I have a problem with the Senate, which increasingly DOES NOT represent most Americans, being the arbiter, at least as currently constituted.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:03:51pm

re: #284 William Lewis

Exactly. Acting out of a fear of hell or hope of heaven is being a slave, not being a moral person.

Not to mention that, as the Simpsons jokingly pointed out once, there’s a shitload of “sins” in the Bible that we break on a daily basis without much consideration. You don’t get to pick and choose which ones count just so you can be “holier than thou.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 5:04:50pm

JFC

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:05:50pm

You know, as bad as Jefferson Beauregard was, the DOJ until him at least kept mostly to beating up on minorities. Under Barr, it’s basically become a sick and twisted facade for thuggery and corruption.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:05:54pm

re: #284 William Lewis

Exactly. Acting out of a fear of hell or hope of heaven is being a slave, not being a moral person.

It’s what my family, who are believers, refer to as ‘grade school theology’.

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Ace Rothstein  May 14, 2019 • 5:05:59pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

And Mango is watching.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 5:06:03pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

Better question for them: What if I’m granted absolution before I die? If the only thing preventing me from being an amoral psychopath is the supposed fear of eternal damnation, then what if I find a priest willing to grant me absolution on my death bed? I rape, murder, and pillage for years…but find forgiveness before I croak. Am I still supposed to face an eternity of punishment if God’s Earthly middle man says the slate’s been wiped clean?

I’ve heard there was some belief in the early Catholic Church along those lines. Put off baptism until just before you die, because it is your one-time-only Get Out of Jail Free card. Sure there’s penance and forgiveness for members of the Church, but it’s not quite as sure a thing. Or something. Of course, if you misjudged when you were baptized, well, tough luck.

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teleskiguy  May 14, 2019 • 5:08:15pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 14, 2019 • 5:08:40pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

Does anyone think that this batshit old man has any idea what happened to Iran in 1953? Hint: We had A LOT to do with it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:11:09pm

re: #293 calochortus

I’ve heard there was some belief in the early Catholic Church along those lines. Put off baptism until just before you die, because it is your one-time-only Get Out of Jail Free card. Sure there’s penance and forgiveness for members of the Church, but it’s not quite as sure a thing. Or something. Of course, if you misjudged when you were baptized, well, tough luck.

All this talk of forgiveness and absolution reminds me of “O Brother, Where Art Thou.”

Pete: The preacher said he absolved us.

Everett: For him. Not for the law. I’m surprised at you Pete. I gave you credit for more brains than Delmar.

Delmar: But there was witnesses that seen us redeemed.

Everett: That’s not the issue Delmar. Even if it did put you square with the Lord, the state of Mississippi’s a little more hardnosed.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:11:44pm

re: #289 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

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Define “mess further with us,” Lou. I’ll save you time: You can’t, because this isn’t about Iran “messing” with us. It’s about an administration so backed into a corner, it is hurriedly trying to provoke an international confrontation in order to turn the nation’s attention. The added “bonus” of being a “wartime president” is certainly not far from Trump’s mind, the idea that he can’t be voted out of office because it would disrupt the “war effort” having heavy appeal when you’ve got little else to run on.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:13:04pm

re: #293 calochortus

I’ve heard there was some belief in the early Catholic Church along those lines. Put off baptism until just before you die, because it is your one-time-only Get Out of Jail Free card. Sure there’s penance and forgiveness for members of the Church, but it’s not quite as sure a thing. Or something. Of course, if you misjudged when you were baptized, well, tough luck.

That’s like only getting health insurance after you get sick.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 5:13:54pm

re: #298 Blind Frog Belly White

That’s like only getting health insurance after you get sick.

Which people would do if they thought they’d get away with it.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:17:48pm

Nex ting you know, Beltalowda drop rocks on da inners, sasa ke?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:18:11pm

re: #299 calochortus

Which people would do if they thought they’d get away with it.

Hence the mandate, of course.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 14, 2019 • 5:20:38pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

Somali Space Pirates.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:20:47pm

re: #300 Blind Frog Belly White

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Nex ting you know, Beltalowda drop rocks on da inners, sasa ke?

Uh, Ted, any dingus with the resources can just buy a boat and become a pirate. Meanwhile, the number of nations with the resources to maintain manned space programs can be counted on a single hand. The only place space pirates exist is on the TV screen…you mutant doorknob.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 5:21:05pm

re: #301 Blind Frog Belly White

Hence the mandate, of course.

Of course.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 5:23:13pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

Uh, Ted, any dingus with the resources can just buy a boat and become a pirate. Meanwhile, the number of nations with the resources to maintain manned space programs can be counted on a single hand. The only place space pirates exist is on the TV screen…you mutant doorknob.

Gives them an excuse to militarize space.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:23:58pm

re: #305 calochortus

Gives them Russia an excuse to militarize space.

A bit more accurate.

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calochortus  May 14, 2019 • 5:24:34pm

re: #306 Targetpractice

A bit more accurate.

Why not both?

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Belafon  May 14, 2019 • 5:24:59pm

re: #275 steve_davis

I have a suspicion that the next time Democrats control the senate with any majority, and they have a president willing to go along, they’ll simply dissolve all the federal circuit courts and replace judges with their own picks. I know that would not ultimately be a good thing, but I doubt that Democrats are going to tolerate being locked into a generational battle with a conservative court that got installed thanks to assistance from a foreign power.

That’ll only be really necessary if Trump stays another term. Judges leave all the time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:25:00pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

Uh, Ted, any dingus with the resources can just buy a boat and become a pirate. Meanwhile, the number of nations with the resources to maintain manned space programs can be counted on a single hand. The only place space pirates exist is on the TV screen…you mutant doorknob.

Look at the size of the Saturn V, which was what it took to get 3 guys in a capsule small enough to fit in my office to the Moon.

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Targetpractice  May 14, 2019 • 5:26:59pm

re: #309 Blind Frog Belly White

Look at the size of the Saturn V, which was what it took to get 3 guys in a capsule small enough to fit in my office to the Moon.

And it took a booster just a bit smaller to put a fully-functioning space station into orbit in one go. The ISS was the result of numerous launches over several years, not something easily duplicated when one of the countries responsible suddenly decides that its launchers are no longer for sale.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 14, 2019 • 5:29:06pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

And it took a booster just a bit smaller to put a fully-functioning space station into orbit in one go. The ISS was the result of numerous launches over several years, not something easily duplicated when one of the countries responsible suddenly decides that its launchers are no longer for sale.

This is why the moon was always the first thing in many space colonization plans. Same ores as Earth to make metals, but not so deep a well to lift out of.

Still leaves food and water, though.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 5:30:38pm

good fucking grief

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danarchy  May 14, 2019 • 5:30:41pm

re: #311 Blind Frog Belly White

This is why the moon was always the first thing in many space colonization plans. Same ores as Earth to make metals, but not so deep a well to lift out of.

Still leaves food and water, though.

Turns out there is plenty of water ice on the moon, so as long as you set up in the right place that isn’t so much of an issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 14, 2019 • 5:32:35pm

Narrator’s Voice: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAAA

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 5:45:47pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief

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They’re wearing their hard hats to protect themselves from the torrential rain of bullshit coming from the podium.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 5:48:10pm

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