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Citizen K  May 14, 2019 • 9:25:19pm

That last one feels like it’s way too specific in talking about Trump. That applies to the entirety of the GOP. The equivocating about folks and ‘economic anxiety’ when it was clear that if it wasn’t active racial animus, then at the least passive tolerance of racial animus from their fellow voters that gave Trump and the GOP the position of nigh unlimited power to remold the country for the next two gens with precious minimal hope of stopping them much less undoing the damage.

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gocart mozart  May 14, 2019 • 9:53:29pm
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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 14, 2019 • 9:56:39pm

oh, the hate directed at biden in some progressive blogs!

truly the circular firing squad is well underway

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 9:57:37pm

re: #2 gocart mozart

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The sad truth is that these assholes in Alabama who claim to be “pro-life” don’t give a damn about a baby once it’s born. And they will turn their backs on needy neglected kids all the while flaunting their “deep Xtian faith”!

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 14, 2019 • 9:58:07pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:00:15pm

re: #3 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oh, the hate directed at biden in some progressive blogs!

truly the circular firing squad is well underway

I glanced at the latest Daily Kos straw poll showing a virtual tie between Warren and Sanders. The Berniebots are even more caustic now than they were in 2016.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 14, 2019 • 10:04:19pm

re: #6 Joe Bacon 🌹

I glanced at the latest Daily Kos straw poll showing a virtual tie between Warren and Sanders. The Berniebots are even more caustic now than they were in 2016.

on the blog i always hang out on, it’s liz, maybe kamala in a pinch, but fuck bernie, fucking fuck biden, the rest of them can get lost, cuz it’s liz, liz, liz all the way, the one and only

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 14, 2019 • 10:11:15pm

Scale of time:

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 10:12:12pm

re: #7 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

on the blog i always hang out on, it’s liz, maybe kamala in a pinch, but fuck bernie, fucking fuck biden, the rest of them can get lost, cuz it’s liz, liz, liz all the way, the one and only

Who’s on the blog? Liz doesn’t surprise me for leftists but tolerating Kamala and disapproving of Bernie does.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 14, 2019 • 10:17:09pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Who’s on the blog? Liz doesn’t surprise me for leftists but tolerating Kamala and disapproving of Bernie does.

lawyers, academics, economists, programmers - not so different a crowd as from here

i was surprised at bernie’s precipitous fall, since he was so popular there four years ago, but it was explained patiently to me that he is an Old White Man whose Time Has Come and Gone

personally i think they all have plusses and minuses and i’ll support anybody who is demonstrably not a (spit) republican

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 14, 2019 • 10:18:20pm

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Scale of time:

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huh

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:23:25pm

re: #4 Joe Bacon 🌹

The sad truth is that these assholes in Alabama who claim to be “pro-life” don’t give a damn about a baby once it’s born. And they will turn their backs on needy neglected kids all the while flaunting their “deep Xtian faith”!

This is an older blog post, from a Christian on how she became disillusioned about the so-called pro-life movement. It took her several years, but she learned what it’s really about.

At one point she was the leader of her college’s pro-life group. Her voyage away from the pro-life movement and Christianity’s lies promoting it started with an article about abortion rates in various countries in the New York Times back in 2007.

Lying for Jesus is what led her out of Christianity.

It’s somewhat a long read, but worth it. She brings knowledge to the issue of what all the anti-safe abortion lobbying is really all about, as she was inside it.

How I Lost Faith in the Pro-Life Moveement (Goes to Love, Joy, Feminism at Patheos)

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:27:21pm

re: #9 Hecuba’s daughter

Who’s on the blog? Liz doesn’t surprise me for leftists but tolerating Kamala and disapproving of Bernie does.

re: #10 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

lawyers, academics, economists, programmers - not so different a crowd as from here. (rest cut)

I’m the outlier here at Mr. Johnson’s Institute for the Sane then.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 10:27:24pm

re: #10 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

lawyers, academics, economists, programmers - not so different a crowd as from here

i was surprised at bernie’s precipitous fall, since he was so popular there four years ago, but it was explained patiently to me that he is an Old White Man whose Time Has Come and Gone

personally i think they all have plusses and minuses and i’ll support anybody who is demonstrably not a (spit) republican

Personally I am delighted by Bernie’s fall from grace. The Bernie fanatics that I know are not people whose judgement I trust. I will certainly support anyone who gets the Democratic nomination against Trump (and Pence); of course if (ha ha!) William Weld got the Republican nomination, I might prefer him to some Democrats.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:28:55pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

Fixed link in #12.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:31:45pm

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

I can never forgive the Xtians who blasted my sister for having a late term abortion because the fetus died. They laid the guilt on her so thick that she became a radical forced birther. Even her kids got in the clinic picketing shit.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 10:34:58pm

re: #13 Anymouse 🌹

I’m the outlier here at Mr. Johnson’s Institute for the Sane then.

You’re not an outlier here — the only qualification for membership is recognition that the contemporary Republican Party is evil incarnate. And like the rest of us, you dabble in law, economics, etc. One doesn’t need a degree to have thoughtful opinions and in-depth knowledge on a range of issues.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 14, 2019 • 10:37:06pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can never forgive the Xtians who blasted my sister for having a late term abortion because the fetus died. They laid the guilt on her so thick that she became a radical forced birther. Even her kids got in the clinic picketing shit.

That is so sad. What a terrible experience for her! Did she have any therapy to deal with her loss?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:46:07pm

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can never forgive the Xtians who blasted my sister for having a late term abortion because the fetus died. They laid the guilt on her so thick that she became a radical forced birther. Even her kids got in the clinic picketing shit.

I had a roommate when I lived in Missouri who’s foetus died in the eighth month. Her father (a preacher but not a fundamentalist) did the same thing to her; on top of that, the state of Missouri interfered with her ability to seek an abortion.

She was forced to give vaginal birth in an induced labour after she came down with sepsis.

She is now estranged from her family and no longer religious.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 10:55:53pm

pewresearch.org

Very few religious groups (not just Christian groups) have a position which states there should be no restriction on a woman’s right to an abortion.

Most support outright bans or extreme limits. This is not just an Evangelical or Catholic thing.

They note that Islam, Buddhism, and Orthodox Judaism do not have a fixed position (primarily because they do not have a fixed body which hands down rules to all congregations).

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goddamnedfrank  May 14, 2019 • 11:11:10pm
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Chrysicat  May 14, 2019 • 11:16:13pm
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Chrysicat  May 14, 2019 • 11:20:05pm

From the bottom of the last thread:
re: #108 wheat-dogg, raker of forests, master of steam

or the Maine incident that the Hearst newspapers used to whip up support for the Spanish-American War.

Except that very few historians see Maine as a true false-flag op. It was 85% likely to have been negligence (in the design more than in the way the ship was being treated), and 14% possible to be the Spanish actually attacking her. US Navy sabotage is highly unlikely.

In the Straits, there was no question that someone attacked, and it’s over 95% likely to be someone theoretically-allied to the countries whose flags those ships fly rather than Iran.

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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2019 • 11:27:13pm

re: #22 Chrysicat

Interesting how Republican presidents are supposed to be kings, while Democratic ones “aren’t above the law” and indeed are supposed to be rubber-stamps for Congress, innit?

To be somewhat fair, conservatives are basically monarchists when all is said and done. They view social hierarchy as the “natural order of things”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2019 • 11:34:14pm

re: #3 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

oh, the hate directed at biden in some progressive blogs!

truly the circular firing squad is well underway

again, who is posting in these blogs?

why do we still equate an Internet presence with a real human being?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 14, 2019 • 11:37:16pm

re: #24 Dr Lizardo

To be somewhat fair, conservatives are basically monarchists when all is said and done. They view social hierarchy as the “natural order of things”.

the DIVINE order of things, thanks to Calvin

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 14, 2019 • 11:49:15pm

The MegaMillions draw was delayed:

Mega Millions drawing delayed by technical difficulties for 05/14/19

While the drawing did eventually happen, the winners if any have yet to be posted.

BTW, this draw had another triple (66 67 68) which in the past few years had occurred several times between PowerBall and MegaMillions. Combinatorics tells us it should be incredibly rare, but here we are, with these things happening.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 11:49:28pm

re: #23 Chrysicat

From the bottom of the last thread:

Except that very few historians see Maine as a true false-flag op. It was 85% likely to have been negligence (in the design more than in the way the ship was being treated), and 14% possible to be the Spanish actually attacking her. US Navy sabotage is highly unlikely.

In the Straits, there was no question that someone attacked, and it’s over 95% likely to be someone theoretically-allied to the countries whose flags those ships fly rather than Iran.

If the issue here was Iranians are attacking oil tankers!!2!!1!uno!!, the solution would be that employed by Ronald Reagan’s administration when they were actually doing that during the Tanker War: reregister vessels under the US Flag.

At that point, the US Navy can sail in protection of those vessels as a specific mission (the Navy does not protect foreign convoys in a war we are not part of).

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Dr Lizardo  May 14, 2019 • 11:52:14pm

re: #26 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

the DIVINE order of things, thanks to Calvin

Ah, yes…..Calvinism.

[insert Warhammer40K “heresy” pic here]

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Dave In Austin  May 14, 2019 • 11:53:26pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 14, 2019 • 11:57:16pm

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

You’re not an outlier here — the only qualification for membership is recognition that the contemporary Republican Party is evil incarnate. And like the rest of us, you dabble in law, economics, etc. One doesn’t need a degree to have thoughtful opinions and in-depth knowledge on a range of issues.

I always thought the word “dabble” is strange in the way a lot of people feel about “moist.”

I don’t believe the Republican Party is evil per se, as evil is a religious construct. I do believe they care about power more than anything else, and that they will toss democracy before they will give up power.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 12:02:48am

re: #20 Anymouse 🌹

pewresearch.org

Very few religious groups (not just Christian groups) have a position which states there should be no restriction on a woman’s right to an abortion.

Most support outright bans or extreme limits. This is not just an Evangelical or Catholic thing.

They note that Islam, Buddhism, and Orthodox Judaism do not have a fixed position (primarily because they do not have a fixed body which hands down rules to all congregations).

Note also that the United Methodists were in the early throes of a schism that’s going to lead to a church just as conservative as the Southern Baptists that probably gets to keep the UMC name, and another that will include most of the urban and many suburban churches outside the Deep South, that is “open and affirming” to LGBT and will likely also move left on abortion rights from where the UMC was in that article, though.

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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 12:12:30am

OK; off to work. Back in a bit.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:15:13am

The second-largest Christian church organisation in the USA, the Southern Baptist Convention, has come out with an ethics statement opposing artificial intelligence on ethical grounds. Apparently they also find in the Bible where God opposes AI.

Utah Outcasts speculates that the real issue here is preachers could be made obsolete by robot preachers a la “Futurama.”

They read from the document, which in conservative fashion contains misspelt words and bad grammar.

(video, 16:31)

Baptist Leaders Make a Statement on Artificial Intelligence

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:17:00am

re: #32 Chrysicat

Note also that the United Methodists were in the early throes of a schism that’s going to lead to a church just as conservative as the Southern Baptists that probably gets to keep the UMC name, and another that will include most of the urban and many suburban churches outside the Deep South, that is “open and affirming” to LGBT and will likely also move left on abortion rights from where the UMC was in that article, though.

But they will all insist they have the “correct” interpretation of the Bible.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 12:18:41am

re: #35 Anymouse 🌹

But they will all insist they have the “correct” interpretation of the Bible.

I thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the divine foresight to separate Church from State and to keep theological arguments from becoming political disputes.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:19:48am

re: #32 Chrysicat

Yup; both Jeff Sessions and Hillary Clinton are members of the United Methodist Church.

(So are all the members of my family who disowned me over my religious position and my sister over her sexual orientation. They are in Michigan though, not Dixie. The apparent schism in the UMC will tear the whole church apart, not just Dixie churches.)

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 12:20:54am

re: #34 Anymouse 🌹

The second-largest Christian church organisation in the USA, the Southern Baptist Convention, has come out with an ethics statement opposing artificial intelligence on ethical grounds. Apparently they also find in the Bible where God opposes AI.

Recall the major premise of the novel Dune, in which all AI, artificial insemination and any other technology which could replace humans has been outlawed following the Butlerian Jihad.

Long live the Mu’ad Dib!!!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:21:35am

re: #36 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I thank God for giving our Founding Fathers the divine foresight to separate Church from State and to keep theological arguments from becoming political disputes.

Well, I don’t know if it was divine insight or the Enlightenment. A whole slew of the Founders were at best Deists.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 12:24:59am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I don’t know if it was divine insight or the Enlightenment. A whole slew of the Founders were at best Deists.

I call it Divine Enlightenment

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goddamnedfrank  May 15, 2019 • 12:29:26am

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

Personally I am delighted by Bernie’s fall from grace. The Bernie fanatics that I know are not people whose judgement I trust. I will certainly support anyone who gets the Democratic nomination against Trump (and Pence); of course if (ha ha!) William Weld got the Republican nomination, I might prefer him to some Democrats.

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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 12:30:41am

re: #37 Anymouse 🌹

Yup; both Jeff Sessions and Hillary Clinton are members of the United Methodist Church.

(So are all the members of my family who disowned me over my religious position and my sister over her sexual orientation. They are in Michigan though, not Dixie. The apparent schism in the UMC will tear the whole church apart, not just Dixie churches.)

Jimmy Carter and Mike Huckabee are both Southern Baptist. Their bibles are the same translation, the same edition, of the same selected chapters/books (other denominations may have different selections). They’ve probably prayed at the same specific churches on occasion, attended the same sermons given by the same preachers. And both will insist that their every policy position, every opinion on every moral question, is based on their understanding of what they read in those same Bibles.

But I’d be really hard-pressed to think of any remotely controversial question on which they’d vote the same way.

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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 12:37:47am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

Well, I don’t know if it was divine insight or the Enlightenment. A whole slew of the Founders were at best Deists.

It was pragmatism, based on a knowledge of history.

The 30 Years War, the 100 Years War, 2 English Civil Wars, the treatment by Crusaders of various Christian sects on their way south… there’s not a single square inch of Europe that isn’t soaked in the blood of self-identified Christians from battle with other denominations of self-identified Christians.

The 30 Years War all by itself, in the geographic range it took place, killed 15% of the population. That’s how many Soviets died from WWII.

The 13 colonies had 13 different Official religions, many of which would be eager to take up arms against each other. Separation of church and state was the only way to give the new nation a chance to make it more than 1 generation.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:58:16am

re: #43 sagehen

Pretty much. The whole period is blood-soaked in the name of religion. The only US colony which did not have an official religion was Rhode Island (the colony was specifically founded as a haven for Baptists, Quakers, and others escaping persecution from Massachusetts Congregationalists).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 1:12:12am

Protestant Christianity was the unofficial state religion of the USA, Catholicism was more or less tolerated.

But ever since we started to enforce the Separation of Church and State, the poor persecuted Christians have been screaming like a pig on a spit.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 15, 2019 • 1:38:56am

Someone a few years back, here, requested, IIRC, some Takemitsu. Well, finally we have some:

Takemitsu: Complete Works for Piano

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 2:14:15am

re: #45 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Protestant Christianity was the unofficial state religion of the USA, Catholicism was more or less tolerated.

But ever since we started to enforce the Separation of Church and State, the poor persecuted Christians have been screaming like a pig on a spit.

When Florida became a part of the USA, the Federal government sent Protestant ministers on the government dime to convert Catholics. Many Catholic Church properties were seized by the government to use as things such as Army barracks.

For the latter part of the XIX Century, the Republican Party was the anti-Catholic party. The only reason that Catholics are about equally split between the parties now is Paul Weyrich’s move to put the GOP on the anti-abortion train of Catholicism.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 15, 2019 • 2:19:11am
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Dave In Austin  May 15, 2019 • 2:36:41am
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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 2:39:56am

Video report from Deutsche Welle about SoS Mike Pompeo’s recent jaunt.

US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is on a mission to rally support for Washington’s Iran policy. So far his mission hasn’t gone quite the way he’d like. Though Pompeo has been on the road for the past week, neither the EU nor Russia is backing the US strategy towards Iran.

US fails to get international support for Iran policy | DW News

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 2:41:24am

re: #49 Dave In Austin

nothing should EVER be so bad that u gotta use ramen noodles to fix ya sink/blockquote>

Back when I was a poor student getting by on a TA salary of $300 per month, you could get seven packets of ramen for a buck, eight when they were on sale. So that project basically uses up a week’s worth of dinners…

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 15, 2019 • 2:53:03am

Seems like a bit of a shame, really: Why Doris Day will have ‘no funeral or memorial service’ - or even a grave marker

Day, who died of pneumonia Monday at age 97, “didn’t like death,” her manager and close friend Bob Bashara told the magazine.

“She couldn’t be with her animals if they had to be put down. She had difficulty accepting death,” he added.

We all do.

She had four husbands and one child, who already passed away, so there are no descendants to mourn her.

For being an “all American girl”, in real life she never really fit the stereotypical mold.

This is so common - people create conceptions of movie stars based on movies, and the conceptions are often far from reality.

Doris Day basically lived the last third of her life often in obscurity, only coming out for very special occasions. With her success, wild success, in her early years she could have lingered on as a public celebrity right up to her death, but she chose not to.

So I think she is totally foreign to anyone under 40 years old or so. They’ve heard her sing no doubt because her songs have ended up in many movies even in recent years, but her last “actress” credit is dated way back to 1973.

I still enjoy The Man Who Knew Too Much and even if it is not Hitchcock’s best movie, Day’s singing is one of the gems of the movie.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 15, 2019 • 2:54:40am

re: #52 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

I guess she did have one grandson, who is probably alive.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 3:04:45am

Please Don’t Eat the Daisies was one of my favorite TV shows as a kid.

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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 3:12:42am

Another passing of note - Stanton Friedman, who was quite famous in UFOlogy, has died at the age of 84.

Stanton Friedman, the famed UFO researcher based in Fredericton, has died.

Friedman was returning from a speaking engagement in Columbus, Ohio, when he died suddenly at the Toronto Pearson Airport on Monday night, according to his family.

He was 84.

A nuclear physicist by training, Friedman had devoted his life to researching and investigating UFOs since the late 1960s.

He was credited with bringing the 1947 Roswell Incident — the famous incident that gave rise to theories about UFOs and a U.S. military coverup — back into the mainstream conversation.

cbc.ca

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 3:13:48am

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Another passing of note - Stanton Friedman, who was quite famous in UFOlogy, has died at the age of 84.

cbc.ca

Did he die or was his soul abducted by aliens?

I’m not saying it was, but…

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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 3:15:27am

re: #56 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Did he die or was his soul abducted by aliens?

I’m not saying it was, but…

Nah. He just went home.

Elvis is not dead, he just went home ! (Men In Black, 1997)

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 3:59:10am

re: #10 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

lawyers, academics, economists, programmers - not so different a crowd as from here

i was surprised at bernie’s precipitous fall, since he was so popular there four years ago, but it was explained patiently to me that he is an Old White Man whose Time Has Come and Gone

personally i think they all have plusses and minuses and i’ll support anybody who is demonstrably not a (spit) republican

I’m an Old White Man whose Time Has Come and Gone. Guess I’m condemned to work, donate, and vote for the Old White Men whose Time Has Come and Gone Party.

This divisive shit is going to kill the country, if not the planet.

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Citizen K  May 15, 2019 • 4:01:25am

I just…I can never understand this mindset. Then again, usually the folks who take this tack would fucking support Plessy v. Ferguson if it happened now, so..

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 4:02:47am

re: #59 Citizen K

I just…I can never understand this mindset. Then again, usually the folks who take this tack would fucking support Plessy v. Ferguson if it happened now, so..

Dred Scott and Plessey.

Which party do those supporters belong to now?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 4:03:01am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

I’m an Old White Man whose Time Has Come and Gone. Guess I’m condemned to work, donate, and vote for the Old White Men whose Time Has Come and Gone Party.

This divisive shit is going to kill the country, if not the planet.

Bernie’s popularity owed a lot to bots and ratfuckers who wanted to see him as the Democratic nominee, but not as the President. They are adopting a different strategy this time around.

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Citizen K  May 15, 2019 • 4:05:02am

re: #60 Anymouse 🌹

Dred Scott and Plessey.

Which party do those supporters belong to now?

I know far too many people who would swear up and down that it would still be the Dems, and that the Southern Strategy is as big a myth as Climate Change.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 4:09:51am

re: #61 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Bernie’s popularity owed a lot to bots and ratfuckers who wanted to see him as the Democratic nominee, but not as the President. They are adopting a different strategy this time around.

I wouldn’t have minded if Bernie had become POTUS. Absolutely did not want him for the Dem candidate.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:26:12am

re: #59 Citizen K

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I just…I can never understand this mindset. Then again, usually the folks who take this tack would fucking support Plessy v. Ferguson if it happened now, so..

They can never answer the questions when I ask if Civil Rights mattered so much to the GOP electorate, why was Goldwater nominated in 1964? Why did Nixon run away from his past support of Civil Rights? They can’t answer that because they know their party and ideology is hostile to Civil Rights. They’ll be claiming to have supported marriage equality eventually too.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:27:42am

re: #62 Citizen K

I know far too many people who would swear up and down that it would still be the Dems, and that the Southern Strategy is as big a myth as Climate Change.

And then they act like black voters are too stupid with the Dem Plantation crap.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 4:29:04am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

I wouldn’t have minded if Bernie had become POTUS. Absolutely did not want him for the Dem candidate.

would have preferred him over Trump, but I could also say that about most of the GOP field at this point.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 4:29:29am

the thing about watching colbert in the op is sure, there’s some jokes and making fun

mostly it’s getting very close to reporting and explaining

he’s just saying what the guy said and did

im not saying its not funny
it’s a comedy show, not a news show and it’s sad that that’s all he’s gotta do

we are so screwed

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 4:34:23am

re: #67 DangerMan

the thing about watching colbert in the op is sure, there’s some jokes and making fun

mostly it’s getting very close to reporting and explaining

he’s just saying what the guy said and did

im not saying its not funny
it’s a comedy show, not a news show and it’s sad that that’s all he’s gotta do

we are so screwed

I watch shows like Colbert, Seth Meyers and Samantha Bee, but not to laugh. They are simply the only people who report things we need to hear.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 4:39:02am

re: #68 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I watch shows like Colbert, Seth Meyers and Samantha Bee, but not to laugh. They are simply the only people who report things we need to hear.

Comedians (or in olden times, the court jester) were frequently the ones who told those in power what they didn’t want to hear. The same applies to artists and musicians.

It is no accident that authoritarians (such as conservatives) try to regulate what is comedy, art, and music.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 4:43:19am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Comedians (or in olden times, the court jester) were frequently the ones who told those in power what they didn’t want to hear. The same applies to artists and musicians.

It is no accident that authoritarians (such as conservatives) try to regulate what is comedy, art, and music.

I never saw a President throw hissy fits over SNL sketches like our current one does.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 4:45:21am

re: #14 Hecuba’s daughter

Personally I am delighted by Bernie’s fall from grace. The Bernie fanatics that I know are not people whose judgement I trust. I will certainly support anyone who gets the Democratic nomination against Trump (and Pence); of course if (ha ha!) William Weld got the Republican nomination, I might prefer him to some Democrats.

like i always say, i dont care who or what you vote for
i care how you determinewho or what to vote for

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 4:46:12am

re: #17 Hecuba’s daughter

You’re not an outlier here — the only qualification for membership is recognition that the contemporary Republican Party is evil incarnate. And like the rest of us, you dabble in law, economics, etc. One doesn’t need a degree to have thoughtful opinions and in-depth knowledge on a range of issues.

and scales

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 4:54:54am

re: #72 DangerMan

and scales

I have one of those. It says I weigh 9 st 0# (because I set it to stones). /s

My wife has been fattening me up a bit.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 5:02:30am

re: #42 sagehen

Jimmy Carter and Mike Huckabee are both Southern Baptist. Their bibles are the same translation, the same edition, of the same selected chapters/books (other denominations may have different selections). They’ve probably prayed at the same specific churches on occasion, attended the same sermons given by the same preachers. And both will insist that their every policy position, every opinion on every moral question, is based on their understanding of what they read in those same Bibles.

But I’d be really hard-pressed to think of any remotely controversial question on which they’d vote the same way.

which leads to a truth most dont want to face or recognize, that all religion is second, and actually way more hands removed, information.

Everything you think you know about your religion was taught to you by someone else. You heard and saw nothing yourself.

Your teachers heard and saw nothing themselves either. How did they learn it to teach it to you? For them it’s just what other people say that other-other people before them heard or saw or told them.

Generation upon generation of interpretations of a questionable and multiple times translated, edited, and reorganized book. Those interpretations and translations themselves were argued about, *compromised* and evolved over time.

It’s all nothing but an appeal to apparent authority. And not even that good authority.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 5:04:15am

re: #74 DangerMan

Generation upon generation of interpretations of a questionable and multiple times translated, edited, and reorganized book. Those interpretations and translations themselves were argued about, *compromised* and evolved over time.

It’s all nothing but an appeal to apparent authority. And not even that good authority.

They want to convince you that you see it and feel it yourself.

Then they have you hooked.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:07:50am

re: #70 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I never saw a President throw hissy fits over SNL sketches like our current one does.

Quite the opposite with the late President Bush who loved Dana Carvey’s portrayal of him.

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jeffreyw  May 15, 2019 • 5:10:08am

Good morning!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 5:23:10am

re: #76 HappyWarrior

Quite the opposite with the late President Bush who loved Dana Carvey’s portrayal of him.

Or Richard Nixon on Laugh-In

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:25:17am

re: #78 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Or Richard Nixon on Laugh-In

He was a candidate but yeah if Nixon is making you look like a humorless prick, you have a problems.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 5:26:33am

re: #79 HappyWarrior

He was a candidate but yeah if Nixon is making you look like a humorless prick, you have a problems.

Nixon was a crook but he was at least an experienced public servant who understood how government and diplomacy work.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:28:13am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nixon was a crook but he was at least an experienced public servant who understood how government and diplomacy work.

He had accomplishments too. Trump likes to claim that the Russia investigation has impeding him from presiding. That’s bullshit. Watergate was being investigated while Nixon and Kissinger were doing the China policy.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 5:30:17am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

He had accomplishments too. Trump likes to claim that the Russia investigation has impeding him from presiding. That’s bullshit. Watergate was being investigated while Nixon and Kissinger were doing the China policy.

He would claim that SNL skits impede him from presiding.

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Ace-o-aces  May 15, 2019 • 5:40:37am
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 5:42:18am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

He had accomplishments too. Trump likes to claim that the Russia investigation has impeding him from presiding. That’s bullshit. Watergate was being investigated while Nixon and Kissinger were doing the China policy.

Trump has 8-12 hours of executive free time scheduled every day

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A Mom Anon  May 15, 2019 • 5:42:34am

So I did an experiment and got myself a cheaper end weighted blanket. As with other trendy things, I was skeptical at first, but after a week of using it, I have to say it helps with my anxiety and being able to fall and stay asleep. The recommendations say to stay around 10 percent of your body weight or less when choosing a weight and they are NOT for kids. I’m still trying to understand why they’re so expensive (you could spend 400 bucks on one if you so desired). They also aren’t washable so I will have to make a cover for it. They are filled with some sort of tiny glass beads I guess. They are recommended for people with PTSD, ASDs, anxiety and sleep issues. They don’t work for everyone, I could see where one of these things could make you feel claustrophobic (which is why I went for a 10 lb over a 12 or 15 lb). The blanket is very warm so it can be a bit toasty at night. It was a good investment for 50 dollars(on sale at Target).

I am around, reading mostly, things here have been awful and I am struggling. I’m working on my yard and garden stuff when I can and figuring out where my life is supposed to go now. I turned 59 a couple weeks ago and I’m feeling kind of adrift these days. Working through a lot of loss and hurt from the last couple of years is exhausting. Throw in the destruction of American Idiots and it’s no wonder I can’t sleep and cry a lot. I know some of you have been through losses and hurts lately too( I do read, but Lordy ,keeping up with you all is crazy sometimes) and I hope you are finding ways to work it out,I send all of you virtual hugs every day. I have lost so much and so much has changed since 2016 that the sidewalk hit me in the face a few times and I am just trying to heal. I’m always waiting for the other shoe to drop, I’m tired of it. Being outside helps, but it would be nice if this particular series of storms would move the fuck on already, you know?

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Citizen K  May 15, 2019 • 5:46:27am

re: #80 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Nixon was a crook but he was at least an experienced public servant who understood how government and diplomacy work.

Meanwhile, our current administration is filled to the brim with people who despise diplomacy as a concept, top to bottom.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:53:21am

re: #84 DangerMan

Trump has 8-12 hours of executive free time scheduled every day

Yep. Free time to brag and whine as he watches Fox.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 5:54:31am

re: #85 A Mom Anon

Don’t know your health particulars, but 59 is a good age to make another stab at serious physical fitness work. That’s the cheapest, safest thing you can do for a sense of well-being. (This does not include roller-blading in traffic.)

I’ve been preaching that to my middle-aged kids as I see them entering an age when the payback gets important. Practicing it at 75 is another story.

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A Mom Anon  May 15, 2019 • 5:57:01am

re: #86 Citizen K

It’s not just the despising diplomacy, they hate everything about our form of governance and will kill it from either willful stupidity or sheer greed and malice, or both. All of these fucks are a case study in why a cap on personal lifetime wealth could be a splendid idea. This is driven by greed, not just for money though, many of these POSs measure their success by the misery and suffering they can inflict. They measure that just as importantly as they do money.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 6:07:39am

re: #81 HappyWarrior

And navigating all through the Yom Kippur War, that could have turned into a hot war between the US and Soviet Union.

October 1973:
Yom Kippur War: October 6-23.
October 10, 1973: Spiro Agnew resigns as Vice President of the United States due to corruption while he was the governor of Maryland.
October 12, 1973: Gerald Ford is nominated as Vice President under the 25th Amendment.
October 20, 1973: “Saturday Night Massacre” - Nixon orders Elliot Richardson and Ruckelshaus to fire special prosecutor Cox. They both refuse to comply and resign. Robert Bork considers resigning but carries out the order.

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steve_davis  May 15, 2019 • 6:15:59am

re: #8 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Scale of time:

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my father was born in 1929. Died last year. He wasn’t quite old enough to fight in WWII, but if he’d been born in 1928, he could easily have gotten into the Pacific theater, lying about his age. I think of it like this: my maternal grandfather was born in 1900. Queen Victoria was still around. He could easily have fought in WWII. My office mate at UNO in 2000 was roughly 60 years old. His grandfather was born a slave. History isn’t nearly as old as we tend to think it is. 20 years ago, I was a young man. 20 years from now, it’s entirely possible I’ll be dead. (I mean, I’m in good health, so hopefully not, but 73 is old enough to where I could die in my sleep and nobody would think that was particularly odd.)

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 6:19:33am

re: #12 Anymouse 🌹

This is an older blog post, from a Christian on how she became disillusioned about the so-called pro-life movement. It took her several years, but she learned what it’s really about.

At one point she was the leader of her college’s pro-life group. Her voyage away from the pro-life movement and Christianity’s lies promoting it started with an article about abortion rates in various countries in the New York Times back in 2007.

Lying for Jesus is what led her out of Christianity.

It’s somewhat a long read, but worth it. She brings knowledge to the issue of what all the anti-safe abortion lobbying is really all about, as she was inside it.

How I Lost Faith in the Pro-Life Moveement (Goes to Love, Joy, Feminism at Patheos)

overall a lot of truth in a pretty good article. fair, though some predictable responses. so little actually changes over time.

i quibble about one thing and it’s probably meaningless because no one gets every word right exactly as i would have. but i’m me:

“The cause of abortions is unwanted pregnancies.”
a lot, maybe even most. though i’d venture later term ones tend towards medical issues and not ‘want’.

though the next sentence still is spot on:
“If you get rid of unwanted pregnancies the number of people who seek abortions will drop”

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 6:22:20am

re: #1 Citizen K

That last one feels like it’s way too specific in talking about Trump. That applies to the entirety of the GOP. The equivocating about folks and ‘economic anxiety’ when it was clear that if it wasn’t active racial animus, then at the least passive tolerance of racial animus from their fellow voters that gave Trump and the GOP the position of nigh unlimited power to remold the country for the next two gens with precious minimal hope of stopping them much less undoing the damage.

Is he superstitious about Braille? Or is he just being an A-hole? You know, being himself?

I think I know which one.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 6:23:51am

re: #92 DangerMan

overall a lot of truth in a pretty good article. fair, though some predictable responses. so little actually changes over time.

i quibble about one thing and it’s probably meaningless because no one gets every word right exactly as i would have. but i’m me:

“The cause of abortions is unwanted pregnancies.”
a lot, maybe even most. though i’d venture later term ones tend towards medical issues and not ‘want’.

though the next sentence still is spot on:
“If you get rid of unwanted pregnancies the number of people who seek abortions will drop”

There are definitely abortions of truly wanted pregnancies, for all sorts of medical reasons.

The pro-liars don’t care about that.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 6:24:11am

re: #59 Citizen K

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 6:27:41am

re: #91 steve_davis

There have been several “last” Confederate widows. One died near here 15 years ago. (Admittedly, there is a sociological joke in there—XX Cent economics and eldercare practices led to a lot of late marriages, but this marriage produced a child.)
en.wikipedia.org

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 6:27:56am

Well I wake up, look at Talking Points Memo and see that the Republicans have come up with another pair of asshole candidates.

Asshole #1 wrote North Carolina’s Bathroom Bill…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Asshole #2 posts Tweets from Q and is a full blown birther…

talkingpointsmemo.com

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:29:21am

re: #91 steve_davis

my father was born in 1929. Died last year. He wasn’t quite old enough to fight in WWII, but if he’d been born in 1928, he could easily have gotten into the Pacific theater, lying about his age. I think of it like this: my maternal grandfather was born in 1900. Queen Victoria was still around. He could easily have fought in WWII. My office mate at UNO in 2000 was roughly 60 years old. His grandfather was born a slave. History isn’t nearly as old as we tend to think it is. 20 years ago, I was a young man. 20 years from now, it’s entirely possible I’ll be dead. (I mean, I’m in good health, so hopefully not, but 73 is old enough to where I could die in my sleep and nobody would think that was particularly odd.)

My grandfather was born in 1929 as well. His father in 1889 and his father’s father in 1862. Doing genealogical research really has made me think about time. My grandparents all had grandparents that lived through a lot of changes. I imagine future generations will see your generation the same way.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:29:43am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:30:29am

re: #96 Decatur Deb

There have been several “last” Confederate widows. One died near here 15 years ago. (Admittedly, there is a sociological joke in there—XX Cent economics and eldercare practices led to a lot of late marriages, but this marriage produced a child.)
en.wikipedia.org

President Tyler who was President in the early 1840’s has living grandsons. That’s crazy.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:31:22am

re: #97 Joe Bacon 🌹

Well I wake up, look at Talking Points Memo and see that the Republicans have come up with another pair of asshole candidates.

Asshole #1 wrote North Carolina’s Bathroom Bill…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Asshole #2 posts Tweets from Q and is a full blown birther…

talkingpointsmemo.com

That’s the thing. They keep nominating awful people.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:32:23am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:33:03am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:33:42am

re: #99 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Or not dismissed women who see this as a life or death issue or acted like the guy who brushed off Planned Parenthood as the Establishment was our only hope.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:34:57am

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The one guy has a green tie if that’s what you mean.//

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 6:38:55am

re: #91 steve_davis

my father was born in 1929. Died last year. He wasn’t quite old enough to fight in WWII, but if he’d been born in 1928, he could easily have gotten into the Pacific theater, lying about his age. I think of it like this: my maternal grandfather was born in 1900. Queen Victoria was still around. He could easily have fought in WWII. My office mate at UNO in 2000 was roughly 60 years old. His grandfather was born a slave. History isn’t nearly as old as we tend to think it is. 20 years ago, I was a young man. 20 years from now, it’s entirely possible I’ll be dead. (I mean, I’m in good health, so hopefully not, but 73 is old enough to where I could die in my sleep and nobody would think that was particularly odd.)

more on scale of time
sometimes i think about how far back just one live generation goes

i was lucky to have all four grandparents - all born in the 1890’s
- my dad went into business with his dad
when we graduated, my brother and i went in with them and for 6 years, three generations were practicing together. my grandfather happily worked until the day he died in 1985 at 91.
- my mom’s dad lived to 94
- mom’s mom to 105 in 1999

point of all this is i was lucky to know three of my grandparents for a very long time.
that’s direct - me to them. i am who i am because of how we evolved together and because of what i learned from them of at least some parts of life and the world before i existed.

so going back just one live link, how far back did their individual lives span? did they know their grands and other folks? for how long? how much history of that prior world were they exposed to? that question is lost to time

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 6:39:38am

Factory output dropped for 3d time in four months in US. Trump claims steel industry is back despite actual data showing nothing of the sort.

This isn’t gaslighting. It isn’t even bulkshit.

It’s the complete subversion of reality and media reporting Trump statements as anything other than the lies they should be rightfully identified as.

No media outlet should post anything attributed to Trump without the disclaimer/statement:

Trump lied when ….

Trump repeated the lie that…..

Trump lies again when saying….

Speaking about X, Trump lied ….

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:43:57am

re: #106 DangerMan

more on scale of time
sometimes i think about how far back just one live generation goes

i was lucky to have all four grandparents - all born in the 1890’s
- my dad went into business with his dad
when we graduated, my brother and i went in with them and for 6 years, three generations were practicing together. my grandfather happily worked until the day he died in 1985 at 91.
- my mom’s dad lived to 94
- mom’s mom to 105 in 1999

point of all this is i was lucky to know three of my grandparents for a very long time.
that’s direct - me to them. i am who i am because of how we evolved together and because of what i learned from them of at least some parts of life and the world before i existed.

so going back just one live link, how far back did their individual lives span? did they know their grands and other folks? for how long? how much history of that prior world were they exposed to? that question is lost to time

I wonder about this kind of stuff too. From what I have discovered, I think my Nana(father’s mother), I think her parents were living with her mother’s widowed mother and her mother’s then unmarried brother at the time of her birth in 1912. I also know that their great grandmother (their mother’s paternal grandmother) was living with an aunt that lived nearby when my Nana’s older brother and sister were born in 1903 and 1905. I have her obituary. She only spoke Irish. This was a lady who certainly knew people born in the 18th century whose granddaughter’s children still impact us today in the 21st. I don’t know what kind of person third Great Nana Bridget was but her life fascinates me.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:46:03am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:48:18am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Earliest person I can find with my surname was born four years later. Funnily he has my name but in German.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:54:28am
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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 15, 2019 • 6:56:07am

re: #16 Joe Bacon 🌹

I can never forgive the Xtians who blasted my sister for having a late term abortion because the fetus died. They laid the guilt on her so thick that she became a radical forced birther. Even her kids got in the clinic picketing shit.

If the fetus was already dead, it wasn’t an abortion.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 6:56:52am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 6:58:37am

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

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They thought it was a Catholic thing. But then they saw it as a winning political issue as Sam points out. They’re frauds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 15, 2019 • 7:00:19am

re: #31 Anymouse 🌹

I always thought the word “dabble” is strange in the way a lot of people feel about “moist.”

I don’t believe the Republican Party is evil per se, as evil is a religious construct. I do believe they care about power more than anything else, and that they will toss democracy before they will give up power.

That is pretty much the definition of evil. The GOP follows Voldemort: “There is no good or evil. There is only power, and those too afraid to use it.”

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Citizen K  May 15, 2019 • 7:01:54am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

They thought it was a Catholic thing. But then they saw it as a winning political issue as Sam points out. They’re frauds.

Unfortunately, as we’re seeing, they’re wholly successful frauds.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 7:02:15am

re: #98 HappyWarrior

My grandfather was born in 1929 as well. His father in 1889 and his father’s father in 1862. Doing genealogical research really has made me think about time. My grandparents all had grandparents that lived through a lot of changes. I imagine future generations will see your generation the same way.

Both of my grandfathers were born in 1911.

My maternal grandfather was in the Marine Corps Reserve during WW2 and did not deploy outside the USA. My paternal grandfather was one of my “illegal immigrant” family members from Poland and died in WW2.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 7:06:07am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

25 white men in Alabama, who can never get pregnant, decided that rapists’ rights are more important than the rights of the women and girls they’ve raped.

wait till it’s a white woman and ‘non-white’ rapist

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 7:06:41am

re: #117 Anymouse 🌹

Both of my grandfathers were born in 1911.

My maternal grandfather was in the Marine Corps Reserve during WW2 and did not deploy outside the USA. My paternal grandfather was one of my “illegal immigrant” family members from Poland and died in WW2.

My oldest grandparent was my Dad’s mom in 1912 and the youngest mom’s dad in 1929. It’s just crazy to think as Steve and DM have got at the interactions between the generations. Your grandfather from Poland would have known people who knew people who lived in Poland before the partition of Poland.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 7:09:17am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 7:12:06am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 7:20:58am

re: #112 NO SMOCKING GUN!

If the fetus was already dead, it wasn’t an abortion.

It was an abortion according to those asshole Xtians!

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 7:22:33am

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 7:22:47am
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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 7:35:35am

re: #109 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that’s a cornice.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 7:39:08am

O_o

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 7:40:05am

oh

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 7:43:20am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

O_o

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Joe Scarborough needs glasses. He looks close in age to Bernie and Biden but he looks old enough and is in fact old enough to be Pete’s grandfather. He’s also old enough to be several of the others’ fathers. Trump looks like an old man.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 7:43:57am

re: #127 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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Yeah we get it Donald, you like Orban because he’s autocratic and hates minorities too. Why don’t you two bond over a bowl of goulash in prison?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 7:45:29am

Dictionary with the burn of the day

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 7:46:26am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

Dictionary with the burn of the day

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Says the guy who uses Judeo-Christian.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 7:47:25am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

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Rightwingconspirator  May 15, 2019 • 7:50:48am

re: #114 HappyWarrior

They thought it was a Catholic thing. But then they saw it as a winning political issue as Sam points out. They’re frauds.

GOP/Evangelicals=Fraud all the way down.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 7:51:28am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

My daughter belongs to this group.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 7:52:29am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Give them a side-by-side at the same scale, with the same down-lighting.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 7:52:54am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 7:59:37am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

The claim in the op-ed is the high concentration of people living close together.

That pretty much sums up all of New York City. The outbreak however is centred on the Orthodox Jewish community.

I’m not an epidemiologist, nor do I play one on television, but I was not aware that diseases could target specific religious communities.

Anti-vaxxers can though.

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 8:00:40am

re: #102 Backwoods_Sleuth

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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 8:01:04am

re: #132 Anymouse 🌹

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Orthodox Jews have a higher vaccination rate than other private school communities, and it’s definitely over the 95% rate that’s considered “herd immunity”.

But they have large families, who all spend a lot of time with the other families in the community, so a Williamsburg Orthodox kid will have close contact with a LOT more other kids than Dalton, Brearly or Horace Mann kids.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 8:02:33am
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Teukka  May 15, 2019 • 8:04:16am

re: #137 Anymouse 🌹

The claim in the op-ed is the high concentration of people living close together.

That pretty much sums up all of New York City. The outbreak however is centred on the Orthodox Jewish community.

I’m not an epidemiologist, nor do I play one on television, but I was not aware that diseases could target specific religious communities.

Anti-vaxxers can though.

[tinfoil]
Intentional targeting to be able to stoke up hatred when the inevitable results from anti-vaxxing present themselves?
[/tinfoil]

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:08:26am

re: #134 The Vicious Babushka

My daughter belongs to this group.

You mean the nursing group?

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lizardofid  May 15, 2019 • 8:10:53am

re: #141 Teukka

[tinfoil]
Intentional targeting to be able to stoke up hatred when the inevitable results from anti-vaxxing present themselves?
[/tinfoil]

It would be interesting to know the identities of those behind the publication (Peach) who choose to remain anonymous.

Oh, good morning!

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:13:14am

re: #140 jaunte

Dummy weighs in to respond to that tweet:

Yeah, they could do a lot. Everything from prenatal healthcare to supporting women’s access to contraceptives, sexual education, and medical care.

That would take tax money though, so I guess there really isn’t something Republican legislators can do about those problems. The right to life of a dollar bill shall not be infringed.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 8:14:22am

re: #108 HappyWarrior

I wonder about this kind of stuff too. From what I have discovered, I think my Nana(father’s mother), I think her parents were living with her mother’s widowed mother and her mother’s then unmarried brother at the time of her birth in 1912. I also know that their great grandmother (their mother’s paternal grandmother) was living with an aunt that lived nearby when my Nana’s older brother and sister were born in 1903 and 1905. I have her obituary. She only spoke Irish. This was a lady who certainly knew people born in the 18th century whose granddaughter’s children still impact us today in the 21st. I don’t know what kind of person third Great Nana Bridget was but her life fascinates me.

This goes the other way too. I realized the other day that my goddaughter, born in 2016, has a pretty decent chance of living to see the 22nd century, as do many other children born today. The future is not as far away as we’d like to think either.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 8:15:10am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:15:58am

re: #143 lizardofid

It would be interesting to know the identities of those behind the publication (Peach) who choose to remain anonymous.

Oh, good morning!

It would also be interesting how they got it to the top of Google’s search function when you type Peach and antivax.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 8:21:29am

Trumponomics alert: “Retail sales unexpectedly fall amid weak auto purchases”

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:22:48am

re: #145 Eclectic Cyborg

This goes the other way too. I realized the other day that my goddaughter, born in 2016, has a pretty decent chance of living to see the 22nd century, as do many other children born today. The future is not as far away as we’d like to think either.

Yeah it’s very possible your goddaughter and my niece will live in the 22nd century.Crazy.

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 8:26:17am

re: #148 Eclectic Cyborg

Trumponomics alert: “Retail sales unexpectedly fall amid weak auto purchases”

“Under Glorious MAGA POTUS auto sales have increased yuuugely from 3 million to 2 million!”

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 8:26:30am

(in)Sanity break:

Video: Harold & Kumar White Castle Challenge (9,660 Calories)

Harold & Kumar White Castle Challenge (9,660 Calories)

- 30 White Castle Burgers
- 5 Regular Sized Fries
- 4 Large Cherry Cokes

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:27:55am

Facepalm time…

Former White House official Seb Gorka, predictably, spent some of his radio show airtime Tuesday complaining about the wedding of two cartoon characters on the PBS show “Arthur.”

Arthur’s teacher, Mr. Ratburn, married a man (or, more accurately, an anthropomorphized animal of some kind) on the most recent episode.

“Did you have any questions about there being a culture war, ladies and gentlemen?” Gorka asked. “Did you have any doubt in your mind? This is a war for our culture.”

Gorka said that his kids used to watch “Arthur,” but based on his description of the show, TPM has some doubts: It’s “about a rodent-like creature that lived and had fun in his cartoon world,” he said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 8:28:13am

re: #136 jaunte

Republicans believe your rights life begins at conception and ends at birth
— Pat Bagley (@Patbagley) May 15, 2019

Slight, but important, edit.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 8:30:45am

Proposed Republican slogan: “Once you’re out of the womb, fuck off.”

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Teukka  May 15, 2019 • 8:32:07am

re: #143 lizardofid

It would be interesting to know the identities of those behind the publication (Peach) who choose to remain anonymous.

Oh, good morning!

In my experience, people remain anonymous when they know that if they wrote things under their own name, they’d be recognized relatively fast (and possibly dealt with).

And there are places where everyone is anonymous, like the █chans.

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 8:33:32am
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Eventual Carrion  May 15, 2019 • 8:34:48am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Mnuchin swears under oath he hasn’t taken ‘any direction’ from White House on blocking Trump’s tax returns

So he decided to break the law all by himself. Cool, prosecute him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 8:38:03am

re: #154 Eclectic Cyborg

Proposed Republican slogan: “Once you’re out of the womb, fuck off.”

“you are the responsibility of your parents, namely your rapist father and your traumatized single teenage mother.”

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 8:42:42am

Also, I have to again call the GOP out on their hypocrisy.

They think they can stop abortion by making the procedure illegal but at the same time they’ll scream at your until their throat is dry that gun control laws are stupid because: “bad guys will always find a way to get guns.”

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 8:43:07am

re: #158 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

“you are the responsibility of your parents, namely your rapist father and your traumatized single teenage mother.”

“….of which there is a distinct possibility that your rapist father is also the father of your single teenage mother. Have a swell life.”

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:46:20am

re: #152 Joe Bacon 🌹

Facepalm time…

Former White House official Seb Gorka, predictably, spent some of his radio show airtime Tuesday complaining about the wedding of two cartoon characters on the PBS show “Arthur.”

Arthur’s teacher, Mr. Ratburn, married a man (or, more accurately, an anthropomorphized animal of some kind) on the most recent episode.

“Did you have any questions about there being a culture war, ladies and gentlemen?” Gorka asked. “Did you have any doubt in your mind? This is a war for our culture.”

Gorka said that his kids used to watch “Arthur,” but based on his description of the show, TPM has some doubts: It’s “about a rodent-like creature that lived and had fun in his cartoon world,” he said.

talkingpointsmemo.com

Same sex marriage is legal, you hateful elf.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:46:44am

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I have to again call the GOP out on their hypocrisy.

They think they can stop abortion by making the procedure illegal but at the same time they’ll scream at your until their throat is dry that gun control laws are stupid because: “bad guys will always find a way to get guns.”

Exactly

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 8:47:02am

A balkanization of America is my preferred outcome to breaking bread with these american fascists.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:47:48am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Same sex marriage is legal, you hateful elf.

Why does that Nazi have a radio show?

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:48:14am

re: #163 Amory Blaine

A balkanization of America is my preferred outcome to breaking bread with these american fascists.

The problem is unlike the Balkans, our divide is politically based and not geographical. But I hear ya.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:48:48am

re: #164 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why does that Nazi have a radio show?

I have no idea. I bet he’s thrilled by Trump’s praise of Orban.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 8:49:05am

re: #140 jaunte

After Alabama passes bill to outlaw abortion Tuesday, the state’s GOP Senate majority leader boasts that it “simply recognizes that an unborn baby is a child who deserves protection.”
Protection? Alabama is LAST in state rankings for education and 4th highest for child poverty.

an ‘unborn baby’ is neither a baby nor a child. <<<<<<<<<—— Full stop.

the US constitution never contemplated (or has been interpreted that) any other conditional requirement to be a person or citizen than to be born (have survived the birthing or surgery process).

whatever you think it may ‘deserve’, and whether it is ‘human’ and is ‘life’, it is not a singular, constitutionally protected human life.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:49:17am

re: #149 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s very possible your goddaughter and my niece will live in the 22nd century.Crazy.

My son would have to live to be 113.

Not entirely impossible, but very unlikely.

I’m not sure of the life expectancy of men in the USA, but I imagine if I make it to 2040 I’d be doing really well (aside from my risk of SUDEPS).

My neighbour is out mowing my lawn hence I’m still awake from the noise.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:51:18am

re: #168 Anymouse 🌹

My son would have to live to be 113.

Not entirely impossible, but very unlikely.

I’m not sure of the life expectancy of men in the USA, but I imagine if I make it to 2040 I’d be doing really well (aside from my risk of SUDEPS).

My neighbour is out mowing my lawn hence I’m still awake from the noise.

I would too. Not expecting it but life is changing everyday.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 8:52:22am

re: #163 Amory Blaine

A balkanization of America is my preferred outcome to breaking bread with these american fascists.

I hope there will be an airlift of liberally-minded people from Jesusland then.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 8:53:07am

re: #159 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, I have to again call the GOP out on their hypocrisy.

They think they can stop abortion by making the procedure illegal but at the same time they’ll scream at your until their throat is dry that gun control laws are stupid because: “bad guys will always find a way to get guns.”

there’s your slogan:

“bad girls will always find a way to get abortions”

heck, we know they already think they’re ‘bad’

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 8:53:12am

re: #164 Joe Bacon 🌹

Why does that Nazi have a radio show?

THE NAZIS WERE ALL TEH GAY11!!! CHEK MATE, LIBS!!!

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 8:55:00am

re: #171 DangerMan

bad rich girls will always find a way to get pay for abortions”

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:56:21am

People like Gorka who complain about that shit amuse me. Do same sex marriages not happen? His kids are going to meet gay people who are married. Good for Arthur for making the matter relatable.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 8:56:31am

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Same sex marriage is legal, you hateful elf.

For now. If SCOTUS gets away with over turning Roe, there is nothing to keep them from reversing themselves on the DOM decision. If tRump gets another SCOTUS pick, we as a Nation are screwed. From were I sit, while taking back the W.H. would be nice, taking back the Senate is even more important.

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calochortus  May 15, 2019 • 8:58:51am

re: #174 HappyWarrior

People like Gorka who complain about that shit amuse me. Do same sex marriages not happen? His kids are going to meet gay people who are married. Good for Arthur for making the matter relatable.

That’s presumably the heart of the problem for Gorka. Same sex marriage is being normalized for impressionable children. The horror of consenting adults having happy lives which have absolutely no effect on anyone else.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 8:59:27am

re: #175 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

For now. If SCOTUS gets away with over turning Roe, there is nothing to keep them from reversing themselves on the DOM decision. If tRump gets another SCOTUS pick, we as a Nation are screwed. From were I sit, while taking back the W.H. would be nice, taking back the Senate is even more important.

Agree. Just saying that he’s acting like something that is legal is somehow indoctrination of kids. Series like that display lgbt or other characters I think are great because they make the matter relatable. The muppets had an autistic muppet which was great imo.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:00:07am

re: #176 calochortus

That’s presumably the heart of the problem for Gorka. Same sex marriage is being normalized for impressionable children. The horror of consenting adults having happy lives which have absolutely no effect on anyone else.

Yep and worse is he’s probably afraid his kids will ask him why people made a big deal about this.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:00:31am

re: #176 calochortus

That’s presumably the heart of the problem for Gorka. Same sex marriage is being normalized for impressionable children. The horror of consenting adults having happy lives which have absolutely no effect on anyone else.

He would be happy with the Putin approach: gays are legally tolerated, but “homosexual propaganda” is illegal.

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Dr. Matt  May 15, 2019 • 9:01:07am

re: #175 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

For now. If SCOTUS gets away with over turning Roe, there is nothing to keep them from reversing themselves on the DOM decision. If tRump gets another SCOTUS pick, we as a Nation are screwed. From were I sit, while taking back the W.H. would be nice, taking back the Senate is even more important.

If SCOTUS overturns Roe, the Blue Wave of 2018 will look like a puddle compared to what will happen to the GOP in 2020.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:01:57am

re: #179 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He would be happy with the Putin approach: gays are tolerated, but “homosexual propaganda” is illegal.

Gays definitely aren’t tolerated in Putin’s Russia.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:03:43am

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Gays definitely aren’t tolerated in Putin’s Russia.

should be more clear: homosexuality per se is not illegal.

but people who persecute gays are also tolerated…

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Hecuba's daughter  May 15, 2019 • 9:04:02am

re: #124 The Vicious Babushka

View image on Twitter

Josh Greenman

@joshgreenman
What if the reason the measles outbreak has been centered in the ultra-Orthodox Jewish community doesn’t have to do with low vaccination rates? Read this intriguing op-ed. nydailynews.com

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9:18 AM - May 15, 2019

A statement popularized by Mark Twain: “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”

Let’s suppose of the 200 schools, 192 have 100% vaccinated and 8 have 0%; the average rate is 96%, but the students at those 8 schools are very likely to become ill.

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calochortus  May 15, 2019 • 9:04:31am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

Agree. Just saying that he’s acting like something that is legal is somehow indoctrination of kids. Series like that display lgbt or other characters I think are great because they make the matter relatable. The muppets had an autistic muppet which was great imo.

I know, but legal does not equal moral. I do understand people objecting to laws they believe are immoral, however there is a big difference between things like slavery which involve abuse and the lack of consent, and same sex marriage which does not.

The former should be resisted to protect both individuals and society, but the latter is a matter of personal choice and if I think it’s immoral I just should refrain from doing it myself.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:06:18am

re: #184 calochortus

The former should be resisted to protect both individuals and society, but the latter is a matter of personal choice and if I think it’s immoral I just should refrain from doing it myself.

It is also based on the notion that homosexuality is unnatural and cannot be hereditary because gays don’t reproduce, therefore gays have to recruit impressionable children to propagate their abominations…

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calochortus  May 15, 2019 • 9:09:33am

re: #185 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is also based on the notion that homosexuality is unnatural and cannot be hereditary because gays don’t reproduce, therefore gays have to recruit impressionable children to propagate their abominations…

Thus revealing (yet again) their lack of understanding about How Things Work.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 9:10:37am

Check out JJ’s thread. Another Qwazy Q has bit the dust…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:10:56am

re: #186 calochortus

Thus revealing (yet again) their lack of understanding about How Things Work.

revealing a 19th-century understanding of How Things Work

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:11:02am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

If SCOTUS overturns Roe, the Blue Wave of 2018 will look like a puddle compared to what will happen to the GOP in 2020.

I hope so.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:12:03am

re: #182 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

should be more clear: homosexuality per se is not illegal.

but people who persecute gays are also tolerated…

Yeah but it’s not like the US before Obergfell either. It may not be Saudi Arabia but it’s not welcome to gay people.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:12:47am

re: #184 calochortus

I know, but legal does not equal moral. I do understand people objecting to laws they believe are immoral, however there is a big difference between things like slavery which involve abuse and the lack of consent, and same sex marriage which does not.

The former should be resisted to protect both individuals and society, but the latter is a matter of personal choice and if I think it’s immoral I just should refrain from doing it myself.

True true.

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 9:13:00am

re: #175 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

If Trump and the Republican party remain in power, legal abortion is over. Same sex marriage is over. Americans with disabilities act is over. The EPA will be gone. Public schools as we’ve known them will be finished. Legalized discrimination will be the norm. In fact, pretty much everything that has made this country a great work in progress will be gone.

Four years of Trump pretty much guarantees most of these things, but if he gets another four years, this country will not survive. It won’t be a peaceful divorce.

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 9:13:44am

re: #175 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Steven Breyer warned us the other day the court is overturning precedence.

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Ace-o-aces  May 15, 2019 • 9:13:44am

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:16:00am

re: #194 Ace-o-aces

Please stop using made up gibberish non-words like “cisgendered.” There is no chance of us having a dialogue if you are not speaking English

You are not cis-co-kidding anyone, you know

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 9:18:27am

re: #142 Anymouse 🌹

You mean the nursing group?

Yes, she is a Nurse Practitioner.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 9:18:43am

OH HAI BABY WHIPLASH

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 9:18:44am

Picture of the day from Reddit:

Royal Blue Male Grandala

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 9:19:11am

Trump Supporters Like Liberal Policies, But Not Liberals

“Some of President Trump’s supporters in Sioux City, Iowa love liberal populist proposals. They just don’t love the 2020 Democrats as the messengers,” Axios reports.

“A focus group of swing voters — all of whom voted for Trump in 2016 — strongly supported a student loan debt plan that would cancel up to $50,000 in student debt for people whose families make less than $100,000 per year. (That’s Elizabeth Warren’s proposal, though her name wasn’t mentioned in the question.) They also want to tax American corporations, specifically big banks, to pay for Trump’s infrastructure plans.”

“This was the main takeaway from the Engagious/FPG focus group of swing voters… which included 11 voters who supported Barack Obama and then Trump. All but one said they would re-elect Trump if it were him versus Hillary Clinton again.”

the takeaway comment from disqus:

“We need to ask why people embrace liberal policies while thinking they can vote for conservatives to get them.”

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 9:20:14am

re: #199 DangerMan

Because they’re profoundly stupid.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:20:31am

re: #199 DangerMan

Trump Supporters Like Liberal Policies, But Not Liberals

the takeaway comment from disqus:

“We need to ask why people embrace liberal policies while thinking they can vote for conservatives to get them.”

Delusion.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:21:04am

re: #200 plansbandc

Because they’re profoundly stupid.

They think Trump is one of them while they despise people like Warren, Obama, and Clinton who come from the Middle Class.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 9:21:07am

re: #180 Dr. Matt

If SCOTUS overturns Roe, the Blue Wave of 2018 will look like a puddle compared to what will happen to the GOP in 2020.

I would hope so. But I’m not holding my breath either.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:21:57am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI BABY WHIPLASH

[Embedded content]

He never attacks Bibi at all for doing nothing to change that. He’s a hypocritical chode goblin.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:22:22am

re: #199 DangerMan

Trump Supporters Like Liberal Policies, But Not Liberals

the takeaway comment from disqus:

“We need to ask why people embrace liberal policies while thinking they can vote for conservatives to get them.”

Trump, not having a record of public service, was able to promise them anything and everything and they bought it. He can now sell them excuses for not delivering (victim of a witch hunt, a hostile media, defectors in his own ranks, deep state interference, etc.,) and continue to get away from it.

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calochortus  May 15, 2019 • 9:22:36am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Delusion.

The delusion is that they “deserve” liberal policies. Those people over there will abuse them. Conservatives are good at implying that their policies will aid their voters without subsidizing those undeserving people.

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 9:22:44am

re: #187 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Check out JJ’s thread. Another Qwazy Q has bit the dust…

Tots and pears.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:23:05am

re: #203 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I would hope so. But I’m not holding my breath either.

I think it would because you don’t know what you had until you lose it. However, I don’t want to risk it obviously since Roe was hard fought in the first place and it’s been harder fought still preserving it these past 46 years.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:23:22am

re: #206 calochortus

The delusion is that they “deserve” liberal policies. Those people over there will abuse them. Conservatives are good at implying that their policies will aid their voters without subsidizing those undeserving people.

Exactly.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:23:53am

re: #206 calochortus

The delusion is that they “deserve” liberal policies. Those people over there will abuse them. Conservatives are good at implying that their policies will aid their voters without subsidizing those undeserving people.

a Conservative New Deal, which like the original New Deal, largely excludes minorities

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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 9:24:11am

re: #187 Joe Bacon 🌹

Read that - sounds like the ramblings of a paranoid psychotic.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:25:45am

re: #210 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

a Conservative New Deal, which like the original New Deal, largely excludes minorities

Which I’m sad to say is probably why the original New Deal stood up for so long but the second Truman, JFK, and especially LBJ started including minorities in the Fair Deal, New Frontier, and Great Society, the cracks started showing. That’s why I get annoyed with Sanders acting like the Dems abandoned the working class. Large amounts of working class voters abandoned the Dems due to their own prejudices.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 9:25:48am

re: #187 Joe Bacon 🌹

[Embedded content]

Check out JJ’s thread. Another Qwazy Q has bit the dust…

He was murdered! COVERUP!

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 9:25:58am

re: #192 plansbandc

If Trump and the Republican party remain in power, legal abortion is over. Same sex marriage is over. Americans with disabilities act is over. The EPA will be gone. Public schools as we’ve known them will be finished. Legalized discrimination will be the norm. In fact, pretty much everything that has made this country a great work in progress will be gone.

Four years of Trump pretty much guarantees most of these things, but if he gets another four years, this country will not survive. It won’t be a peaceful divorce.

Which is why I have a bug out plan in place.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:28:58am

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Which I’m sad to say is probably why the original New Deal stood up for so long but the second Truman, JFK, and especially LBJ started including minorities in the Fair Deal, New Frontier, and Great Society, the cracks started showing. That’s why I get annoyed with Sanders acting like the Dems abandoned the working class. Large amounts of working class voters abandoned the Dems due to their own prejudices.

and got scooped up by the Southern Strategy

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:29:09am

There’s a WaPo article today on Barr. I didn’t realize that Barr was so influential in the powerful executive stuff that we first started seeing in the Bush II administration. He’s also a giant hypocrite- shocker I know. He criticized the Dems who criticized Starr in the late 90’s. Barr is a particularly dangerous AG since he seems to believe that there should be an all powerful executive especially if it’s a Republican one. And this was interesting but he advised H.W. Bush not to seek Congressional approval after Hussein invaded Kuwait. Watch for that if Trump starts talking about doing something in Iran or Venezuela or anywhere.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:30:28am

re: #215 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and got scooped up by the Southern Strategy

That pretty much honestly was the Southern Strategy though what I’m talking about also worked in the Rust Belt too. The Reagan Dems went for the most hostile towards working class people Presidential candidate in their lifetime with Reagan. Nixon started the Southern Strategy but Reagan is the one who perfected it.

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 9:31:08am

re: #214 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

I wish we did, but we don’t have the money to get out. If Trumpworld gets organized, the van will be coming in the night for me. They might spare dude. He’s white, cisgender, and keeps his politics to himself (generally). Though he has gone to a couple of protests with me, so maybe not.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:31:15am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

Barr…advised H.W. Bush not to seek Congressional approval after Hussein invaded Kuwait. Watch for that if Trump starts talking about doing something in Iran or Venezuela or anywhere.

Trump is not about to ask even his own party for permission to start the next war, and a I have a strong feeling that is one of the reasons he took Barr on.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 9:32:12am

this comment was posted on politicalwire.com in response to that liberal policies link i just put up

- All the people in this thread calling these people “ignorant,” “stupid,” and “damaged” are only helping to illustrate why many folks in red / rural parts of the country are not fond of liberals for personal reasons…

two short responses:

No. Sorry. Tired of this horseshit. If people demonstrate total abject stupidity and ignorance over 20 years a fair minded person even runs outta patience. Maybe THEY need to consider why WE look at them that way instead of that sanctimonious Midwestern/Real American horseshit they do. Works both ways.

and

Really? Isn’t it ignorance when many, many poorer whites in Red states have no clue that they qualify for Medicaid under the Obamacare expansion? Or that they can get a good health plan with generous subsidies on the exchanges if they make less than $30K?

And what do you call it when these same ignorant people then resent the black and brown people who are aware of and receiving these benefits? I’d say it’s pretty fucking stupid to resent others for getting what you yourself could get IF YOU ONLY BOTHERED TO FIND OUT ABOUT IT.

and then this - it seems to have been going around - by a guy named adam-troy castro
i think originally on facebook (which i dont do)

hidden only because of length

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 9:32:15am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

OH HAI BABY WHIPLASH

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Well there’s that survey showing a majority of Americans oppose using Arabic numerals…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 9:40:38am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

There’s a WaPo article today on Barr. I didn’t realize that Barr was so influential in the powerful executive stuff that we first started seeing in the Bush II administration. He’s also a giant hypocrite- shocker I know. He criticized the Dems who criticized Starr in the late 90’s. Barr is a particularly dangerous AG since he seems to believe that there should be an all powerful executive especially if it’s a Republican one. And this was interesting but he advised H.W. Bush not to seek Congressional approval after Hussein invaded Kuwait. Watch for that if Trump starts talking about doing something in Iran or Venezuela or anywhere.

Yep, they’ll find a way to use the 2001 AUMF to justify anything they do.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  May 15, 2019 • 9:43:17am

re: #200 plansbandc

Because they’re profoundly stupid.

No, it’s because they are profoundly Racist.

They will give up everything and become the lowest of the low white people all for the feeling they are still above the highest black man.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 9:44:50am

re: #214 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

Which is why I have a bug out plan in place.

I only live 20 minutes from the border and up-to-date passport.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 9:46:54am
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 9:47:17am

re: #216 HappyWarrior

There’s a WaPo article today on Barr. I didn’t realize that Barr was so influential in the powerful executive stuff that we first started seeing in the Bush II administration. He’s also a giant hypocrite- shocker I know. He criticized the Dems who criticized Starr in the late 90’s. Barr is a particularly dangerous AG since he seems to believe that there should be an all powerful executive especially if it’s a Republican one. And this was interesting but he advised H.W. Bush not to seek Congressional approval after Hussein invaded Kuwait. Watch for that if Trump starts talking about doing something in Iran or Venezuela or anywhere.

if trump manages to start something in the ME or south america - (or anywhere) that’ll be all four of the last four republican presidents starting an armed conflict

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 9:50:29am

re: #227 DangerMan

It’s what they do.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:51:23am

re: #228 plansbandc

It’s what they do.

He would hate to feel left out

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:51:51am

re: #228 plansbandc

It’s what they do.

And then when Democratic presidents try to fix their fuck ups, they complain about apology tours.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 9:52:42am

re: #218 plansbandc

I wish we did, but we don’t have the money to get out. If Trumpworld gets organized, the van will be coming in the night for me. They might spare dude. He’s white, cisgender, and keeps his politics to himself (generally). Though he has gone to a couple of protests with me, so maybe not.

Same here. As an opposition politician, an atheist, I’m toast.

Since authoritarian regimes also tend to do things like round up the intelligentsia (regardless of education level), I would also not be surprised if they went after high-IQ society rolls to get everyone on those lists either.

In short, we’re f****d.

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wrenchwench  May 15, 2019 • 9:54:08am

re: #230 HappyWarrior

And then when Democratic presidents try to fix their fuck ups, they complain about apology tours.

Now, doing an apology tour could be a campaign promise.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:54:49am

re: #231 Anymouse 🌹

Same here. As an opposition politician, an atheist, I’m toast.

Since authoritarian regimes also tend to do things like round up the intelligentsia (regardless of education level), I would also not be surprised if they went after high-IQ society rolls to get everyone on those lists either.

In short, we’re f****d.

you seem to be quite the outsider where you live. In another location you would hardly be noticed

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 9:57:09am

re: #233 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

you seem to be quite the outsider where you live. In another location you would hardly be noticed

It’s my long hair and Smart car. /s

I’m sort of an outsider, though everyone around here knows me. Everyone is pleasant to my wife and me.

That said, if someone started whipping up agitprop like Rwanda or something, I really question whether that good will would remain.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:57:23am

re: #232 wrenchwench

Now, doing an apology tour could be a campaign promise.

As you know, I’ve been abroad twice since 2017. I tell everyone who asks that I did not vote for him and I cannot stand him.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 9:58:01am

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

It’s my long hair and Smart car. /s

I’m sort of an outsider, though everyone around here knows me. Everyone is pleasant to my wife and me.

That said, if someone started whipping up agitprop like Rwanda or something, I really question whether that good will would remain.

I think that’s what made Rwanda and Yugoslavia so terrifying. Neighbors turned on neighbors.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 9:58:40am

re: #236 HappyWarrior

I think that’s what made Rwanda and Yugoslavia so terrifying. Neighbors turned on neighbors.

exactly. that is when you do not want to be the Only Liberal in the Village

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 9:59:18am

re: #235 HappyWarrior

As you know, I’ve been abroad twice since 2017. I tell everyone who asks that I did not vote for him and I cannot stand him.

Same here on our trips to Canada, though they’ve been to the most conservative provinces in the country (Saskatchewan and Alberta). Even there we didn’t run into any fanbois of Trump.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:00:06am

re: #237 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

exactly. that is when you do not want to be the Only Liberal in the Village

And despite what the right likes to claim, they’re the ones who engage in that. Liberal politicians don’t treat conservatives like “others” who don’t belong in American society but right wing ones sure as hell do to people who are liberal or are some kind of minority whether that be religious, sexual, or ideological.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:00:56am

re: #238 Anymouse 🌹

Same here on our trips to Canada, though they’ve been to the most conservative provinces in the country (Saskatchewan and Alberta). Even there we didn’t run into any fanbois of Trump.

Yeah Poland and Slovakia are pretty conservative but none of the locals I talked to thought much of Trump. I imagine with Poland they definitely do not like that Trump is buddy-buddy with Putin.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:02:54am

re: #240 HappyWarrior

Yeah Poland and Slovakia are pretty conservative but none of the locals I talked to thought much of Trump. I imagine with Poland they definitely do not like that Trump is buddy-buddy with Putin.

We were in Poland in 2015, in Gdansk (about 30 miles from the Russian border). I didn’t get the sense Trump was really popular there.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 10:03:17am

re: #239 HappyWarrior

And despite what the right likes to claim, they’re the ones who engage in that. Liberal politicians don’t treat conservatives like “others” who don’t belong in American society but right wing ones sure as hell do to people who are liberal or are some kind of minority whether that be religious, sexual, or ideological.

I have a gay Republican friend who insists that he has gotten more harassment for being a Republican than for being gay. I reminded him of all the times that Republicans were blackmailed, threatened, lynched, beaten up or forced into electro-schock conversion therapy

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:04:25am

re: #241 Anymouse 🌹

We were in Poland in 2015, in Gdansk (about 30 miles from the Russian border). I didn’t get the sense Trump was really popular there.

Krakow. I don’t think Trump is really popular anywhere in Europe outside The Kremlin .

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:05:05am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a gay Republican friend who insists that he has gotten more harassment for being a Republican than for being gay. I reminded him of all the times that Republicans were blackmailed, threatened, lynched, beaten up or forced into electro-schock conversion therapy

He’s delusional frankly.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 10:07:51am

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

I only live 20 minutes from the border and up-to-date passport.

11 hrs. for me if I go North, 14 hrs if I go south.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:08:48am

re: #245 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

11 hrs. for me if I go North, 14 hrs if I go south.

I’m not sure how far it is here to the closest border. It’s closer to the North here though. Texas is a longer drive than New York.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 10:09:02am

re: #234 Anymouse 🌹

It’s my long hair and Smart car. /s

you sure it’s not the cape and scythe?

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 10:09:23am

Off to the store to get plumbing supplies. Replacing the kitchen sink faucet. Oh Joy, Joy

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:11:06am

re: #224 The Vicious Babushka

I only live 20 minutes from the border and up-to-date passport.

You’re assuming the border won’t be closed by then.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 10:11:09am

re: #242 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I have a gay Republican friend who insists that he has gotten more harassment for being a Republican than for being gay. I reminded him of all the times that Republicans were blackmailed, threatened, lynched, beaten up or forced into electro-schock conversion therapy

in any event there is no immunity from being ‘harassed’ for your political opinions

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:11:29am

re: #247 DangerMan

you sure it’s not the cape and scythe?

He’s got a monocle, I’m sure of it.

/

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 10:12:46am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:13:28am

re: #250 DangerMan

in any event there is no immunity from being ‘harassed’ for your political opinions

And frankly many Republicans are assholes who are miserable to be around especially when they’re telling you why they’re a Republican.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:14:14am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Tell me again why Jesus chased those guys out of the temple?

/

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:14:32am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Old grifters don’t die, they simply fade away to your TV at 2:00 AM.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 10:15:06am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

For just $45, you can pray for the president with this coin that’s sold by a guy who says God told him you need the coin.

that’s why we use the word ‘stupid’

re: #220 DangerMan

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:19:01am

re: #252 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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There are millions of brainwashed marks stupid enough to buy that coin.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:23:25am

re: #245 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

11 hrs. for me if I go North, 14 hrs if I go south.

About seven hundred miles for me to get to the nearest crossing (Saskatchewan). Further to Mexico.

Most of the trip to Saskatchewan is on two-lane state highways though.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 10:26:37am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:28:19am

re: #259 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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It’s almost always people who won’t be directly impacted by awful right wing legislation that do this too. Brian won’t be punished for getting an abortion in another state.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:28:25am

re: #258 Anymouse 🌹

It would take me 10 hours to get to Mexico or 17 to get home to Canada. I may be better off hijacking a boat and hightailing it through the Gulf of Mexico to Cuba.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:28:35am

re: #259 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:29:26am

re: #262 Joe Bacon 🌹

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But that’s not helpful.//

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 10:29:41am

I brought all the ham and cheese to work to make a sandwich because I was in a hurry. I’m eating all the cheese instead. :D

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 10:36:39am

re: #260 HappyWarrior

It’s almost always people who won’t be directly impacted by awful right wing legislation that do this too. Brian won’t be punished for getting an abortion in another state.

He should stop whining about Trump’s attacks on the press. It’s no big deal.

//

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:39:19am

re: #23 Chrysicat

From the bottom of the last thread:

Except that very few historians see Maine as a true false-flag op. It was 85% likely to have been negligence (in the design more than in the way the ship was being treated), and 14% possible to be the Spanish actually attacking her. US Navy sabotage is highly unlikely.

In the Straits, there was no question that someone attacked, and it’s over 95% likely to be someone theoretically-allied to the countries whose flags those ships fly rather than Iran.

Coal bunker explosion.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 10:39:24am

re: #257 Joe Bacon 🌹

There are millions of brainwashed marks stupid enough to buy that coin.

they just bought that gofundme / wall builder guy a yacht

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 10:42:26am

re: #264 Amory Blaine

I brought all the ham and cheese to work to make a sandwich because I was in a hurry. I’m eating all the cheese instead. :D

before you leave home, you should always know what you’re gonna wanna eat hours later so you dont waste money buying frivolous, optional, wasteful lunches //

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 15, 2019 • 10:45:53am

Someone please tell me this is a hoax:

It *has* to be a hoax. Even for Alabama, this is so wrongheadedly stupid…

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Eventual Carrion  May 15, 2019 • 11:06:49am

re: #249 Eclectic Cyborg

You’re assuming the border won’t be closed by then.

I have friends with boats, and I am about an hour south of Lake Erie.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 11:16:40am

re: #100 HappyWarrior

President Tyler who was President in the early 1840’s has living grandsons. That’s crazy.

My birthdate, June 21 1949, is closer in time to the inauguration of James A. Garfield than to the present day.
Another one, I have been a licensed pilot for 53 years. When I was born, nobody had been a pilot that long because the first airplane flight had only been 46 years earlier.


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