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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:40:45am

I hope to God that Biden really isn’t that damned gullible.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 10:41:12am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:41:15am

The number of Republicans willing to work across the aisle with Democrats is approximately the same as the number of Yankees fans who would be willing to cheer for the Red Sox.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:41:53am

re: #2 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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It ran into a Barr would be my guess.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:41:58am

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

I hope to God that Biden really isn’t that damned gullible.

Personally I think it’s part idealism, part naivete.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:42:23am

re: #2 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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It scares me because they’ve done everything possible to ensure Vlad can help Trump again.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:42:40am

re: #4 Scottish Dragon

It ran into a Barr would be my guess.

I see what you did there!

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 10:43:09am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

The number of Republicans willing to work across the aisle with Democrats is approximately the same as the number of Yankees fans who would be willing to cheer for the Red Sox.

Are they playing the Mets/Phillies? //////////////////////////

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:44:13am

re: #3 Eclectic Cyborg

The number of Republicans willing to work across the aisle with Democrats is approximately the same as the number of Yankees fans who would be willing to cheer for the Red Sox.

The same number of people in King’s Landing who think Daenerys Targaryen had a successful and positive transition of government.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:44:15am

Biden’s rhetoric frustrates me because it’s so naive and it’s like he forgot that the health care legislation, the big fucking deal was largely inspired by Republican policy and then made out to be Stalinism by the GOP.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 10:46:00am
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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:46:16am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Biden’s rhetoric frustrates me because it’s so naive and it’s like he forgot that the health care legislation, the big fucking deal was largely inspired by Republican policy and then made out to be Stalinism by the GOP.

Because he kinda implies that the whole obstruction thing during the Obama presidency was a fluke and it won’t happen with him because he is a jocular white guy.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:46:58am

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Biden’s rhetoric frustrates me because it’s so naive and it’s like he forgot that the health care legislation, the big fucking deal was largely inspired by Republican policy and then made out to be Stalinism by the GOP.

He forgot when he was VP what the GOP was doing. This “let’s all sing Kumbayah” nonsense is nonsense.

A better answer might be “y’all make an offer first, then we’ll talk.”

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:47:24am

re: #12 Scottish Dragon

Because he kinda implies that the whole obstruction thing during the Obama presidency was a fluke and it won’t happen with him because he is a jocular white guy.

I know and he’s insulting Obama with that whether he realizes it or not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:47:38am

re: #11 lawhawk

But this has nothing to do with all the fucked up shit Trump has done to our country.

Nothing at all…

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 10:47:45am

re: #8 lawhawk

Are they playing the Mets/Phillies? //////////////////////////

I am a Cowboys fan, and cheered both the Giant and the Eagles against New England in their Superbowls.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 15, 2019 • 10:48:07am

CL’d on the last thread, so here it is again - my hopes that this is just a hoax:

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:48:33am

re: #16 Belafon

I am a Cowboys fan, and cheered both the Giant and the Eagles against New England in their Superbowls.

Touche. I’ll cheer almost anyone against the Pats.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:50:08am

re: #17 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

CL’d on the last thread, so here it is again - my hopes that this is just a hoax:

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It would have to be. Even considering the low chances of pulling something like that off without getting caught, most women obviously can’t conceive when they are on a period.
Additionally, the semen would not survive long enough to impregnate a woman anyway.

And how can you spread “racial superiority” if you don’t know who is buying the box? What if a black or latina woman bought it?

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:50:39am

re: #16 Belafon

I am a Cowboys fan, and cheered both the Giant and the Eagles against New England in their Superbowls.

It worked. You should have cheered the Rams, Eagles the first time, Falcons, and Seahawks harder.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 10:51:36am

re: #11 lawhawk

Nothing an anti-abortion bill won’t fix. //

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:51:39am

re: #18 Eclectic Cyborg

Touche. I’ll cheer almost anyone against the Pats.

They’re the new Yankees.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:52:24am

re: #11 lawhawk

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We could have a welcoming immigration policy but I guess that’s too much to ask.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 10:53:01am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

We could have a welcoming immigration policy but I guess that’s too much to ask.

The President has made it clear he doesn’t want to let any more brown people into this country.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 10:53:45am

re: #22 HappyWarrior

They’re the new Yankees.

Or the new Cowboys.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:54:49am

re: #25 Belafon

Or the new Cowboys.

Yep.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:55:03am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

The President has made it clear he doesn’t want to let any more brown people into this country.

Yes.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 10:55:20am

re: #23 HappyWarrior

We could have a welcoming immigration policy but I guess that’s too much to ask.

Jared will get right on that.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 10:56:00am

My lengthy complaint about Game of Thrones is up.
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 10:56:00am

re: #24 Eclectic Cyborg

The President has made it clear he doesn’t want to let any more brown people into this country.

Conservatives for decades have been complaining about an “invasion” and making up crap about things like a North American Union and Atzlan being some shadowy group of people who want to kill Anglos/create an ethno-state/rejoin Mexico/whatever else.

I don’t ever recall conservatives not using the term “invasion” to refer to immigrants.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:56:32am

re: #28 lawhawk

Jared will get right on that.

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I really want to see Jared and Ivanka both in jail.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 10:58:02am

re: #28 lawhawk

Jared will get right on that.

Because nobody wants his job.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 10:59:40am

re: #32 Belafon

Because nobody wants his job.

What exactly do you do here,Jared?
I keep on telling you, I deal with the customers!
I have people skills damnit!

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 11:03:46am

Winter is coming.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 11:06:23am

So… took a gander at my spam folder, and lo and behold…

Obama’s Fishy Social Security Number One Of Many Things He’ll Soon Have To Answer For

Tea Party USA is fundraising off this same dumbfuckery in 2019? Seriously? This is where they are. They’re still trying to concoct bulkshit about Obama’s birth, heritage, etc.

Yeah, but this is economic anxiety we’re seeing with them… yup.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:08:45am

re: #35 lawhawk

So… took a gander at my spam folder, and lo and behold…

Obama’s Fishy Social Security Number One Of Many Things He’ll Soon Have To Answer For

Tea Party USA is fundraising off this same dumbfuckery in 2019? Seriously? This is where they are. They’re still trying to concoct bulkshit about Obama’s birth, heritage, etc.

Yeah, but this is economic anxiety we’re seeing with them… yup.

Jeezus.

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 11:09:36am
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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 11:10:43am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:10:51am

re: #34 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Winter is coming.

We’re going to attack Iraq? Didn’t we do that already?

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 11:12:16am

So Sad:

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 11:12:37am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

We’re going to attack Iraq? Didn’t we do that already?

This is in preparation for Iran.

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 11:13:06am
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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 11:13:18am
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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 11:14:13am

re: #39 Anymouse 🌹

We’re going to attack Iraq? Didn’t we do that already?

Iran.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:14:35am

re: #41 Belafon

This is in preparation for Iran.

The warning they refer to
travel.state.gov

Talks about violence within Iraq itself.

Do not travel to Iraq due to terrorism, kidnapping, and armed conflict.

U.S. citizens in Iraq are at high risk for violence and kidnapping. Numerous terrorist and insurgent groups are active in Iraq and regularly attack both Iraqi security forces and civilians. Anti-U.S. sectarian militias may also threaten U.S. citizens and Western companies throughout Iraq. Attacks by improvised explosive devices (IEDs) occur in many areas of the country, including Baghdad.

[cut]

U.S. citizens should not travel through Iraq to Syria to engage in armed conflict, where they would face extreme personal risks (kidnapping, injury, or death) and legal risks (arrest, fines, and expulsion). The Kurdistan Regional Government stated that it will impose prison sentences of up to ten years on individuals who illegally cross the border. Additionally, fighting on behalf of, or supporting designated terrorist organizations, is a crime that can result in penalties, including prison time and large fines in the United States.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:17:05am

re: #43 gocart mozart

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Seriously.

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Mike Lamb  May 15, 2019 • 11:20:53am

re: #43 gocart mozart

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He’d buck social conservatives with Pence on the ticket? Mmmmkay.

Aside from that, the one charitable thing I’d say is that I’m not sure anyone anticipated how the simplest of flattery could push Trump to support damn near any position.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:21:00am

I want to know who’s paying for this nonsense. It sure isn’t going to generate any radio ad money.

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Amory Blaine  May 15, 2019 • 11:23:04am

I’d have to say the jerk off gang is a hoax based on the exquisite attention to their appearance. Multiple balds with ballcap tanlines is a bridge too far.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 11:23:15am

CLed from last string:

re: #100 HappyWarrior

President Tyler who was President in the early 1840’s has living grandsons. That’s crazy.

My birthdate, June 21 1949, is closer in time to the inauguration of James A. Garfield than to the present day.
Another one: I have been a licensed pilot for 53 years. When I was born, nobody had been a pilot that long because the first airplane flight had only been 46 years earlier.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:27:15am

re: #47 Mike Lamb

He’d buck social conservatives with Pence on the ticket? Mmmmkay.

Aside from that, the one charitable thing I’d say is that I’m not sure anyone anticipated how the simplest of flattery could push Trump to support damn near any position.

And Roy Cohn’s Client was gonna clean up Washington?

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Mike Lamb  May 15, 2019 • 11:28:04am

re: #51 HappyWarrior

And Roy Cohn’s Client was gonna clean up Washington?

They actually think he’s doing that.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:28:24am

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

CLed from last string:

My birthdate, June 21 1949, is closer in time to the inauguration of James A. Garfield than to the present day.
Another one: I have been a licensed pilot for 53 years. When I was born, nobody had been a pilot that long because the first airplane flight had only been 46 years earlier.

That’s crazy and you were born when there were living Civil War vets.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 11:29:09am

re: #40 Belafon

“The Wisconsin Republican Party’s finances are in bad shape after going all in for Scott Walker, who lost. The state GOP has been racking up $600 a month in interest on a maxed-out credit card.”

The party of Fiscal Responsibility, ladies and gentlemen.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 11:30:48am

A couple months ago, Dreher claimed he would have fought on the side of the Nazis in the Spanish Civil War…

I have no freaking clue why the NYT or any other respectable venue gives space to this freak.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:33:44am

re: #50 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

CLed from last string:

My birthdate, June 21 1949, is closer in time to the inauguration of James A. Garfield than to the present day.
Another one: I have been a licensed pilot for 53 years. When I was born, nobody had been a pilot that long because the first airplane flight had only been 46 years earlier.

Thanks, I don’t feel so old now. /s

I can only go back as far as William Howard Taft.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 11:34:53am
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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 11:35:38am
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:36:12am

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

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A couple months ago, Dreher claimed he would have fought on the side of the Nazis in the Spanish Civil War…

I have no freaking clue why the NYT or any other respectable venue gives space to this freak.

Dreher is pretty much a fascist from what I can see.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:37:06am

re: #52 Mike Lamb

They actually think he’s doing that.

Yeah I know.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 11:40:17am

re: #59 HappyWarrior

Dreher is pretty much a fascist from what I can see.

About the only fascist doctrine I haven’t seen him clearly espouse is economic dirigisme. He pretty much nailed everything else.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 11:41:18am

re: #40 Belafon

Thoughts and prayers.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:41:35am

re: #61 Scottish Dragon

About the only fascist doctrine I haven’t seen him clearly espouse is economic dirigisme. He pretty much nailed everything else.

I’m curious but what is that? But yeah the Christian and ethnic nationalism is the biggie.

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Mike Lamb  May 15, 2019 • 11:41:52am

re: #57 Scottish Dragon

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That poor bastard woodpecker. All that work going to shit.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 11:47:48am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

I’m curious but what is that? But yeah the Christian and ethnic nationalism is the biggie.

Dirigisme/corporatism is the doctrine that capitalism must be yoked to the needs of society/the state. It has a specific 19th century Catholic history to it, and that is why it was heavily associated with Catholic majority countries in the early and mid 20th Century. It also is a specific refutation of the nonsense that Nazis/fascists are socialists.

No.

Fascists are perfectly fine with making a lot of money and they went out of their way to make money. They believed that industry had to have a purpose that aligned with the goals of the state.

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Mescalero  May 15, 2019 • 11:48:56am

OT.
Rain stopped. Getting 3 days worth of work into one.
Maybe.
Water break.

Tom Waits song with John Hammond singing it.
Get this album/CD
I’ve had it since way back.
Just rediscovered it.
Boom.

John Hammond- Big Black Mariah

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:49:55am

re: #65 Scottish Dragon

Dirigisme/corporatism is the doctrine that capitalism must be yoked to the needs of society/the state. It has a specific 19th century Catholic history to it, and that is why it was heavily associated with Catholic majority countries in the early and mid 20th Century. It also is a specific refutation of the nonsense that Nazis/fascists are socialists.

No.

Fascists are perfectly fine with making a lot of money and they went out of their way to make money. They believed that industry had to have a purpose that aligned with the goals of the state.

Ah! I have heard of this yes.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 11:50:13am

re: #5 Eclectic Cyborg

Personally I think it’s part idealism, part naivete.

I think it’s neither, but instead pure politics. Biden is gambling that there is a larger percentage of voters who just want “business as usual,” who can be convinced that things will go back to “normal” once Trump is gone and the GOP have been knocked back on their heels. And, if you look at the polls right now, it’s not that bad of a gamble.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:51:44am

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

A couple months ago, Dreher claimed he would have fought on the side of the Nazis in the Spanish Civil War…

I have no freaking clue why the NYT or any other respectable venue gives space to this freak.

Well, the NYT has yet to apologise for endorsing Hitler, for what that’s worth.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 11:55:39am

SD, I think I’ve heard part of what you’re talking about called Integralism. I think yeah fascism/Nazism wrongly gets labeled Leftist because fascist economics isn’t Laissez-Faire Capitalism but it’s definitely a right wing ideology. Trump isn’t a Laissez-Faire capitalist either.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 15, 2019 • 11:58:45am

re: #19 Eclectic Cyborg

It would have to be. Even considering the low chances of pulling something like that off without getting caught, most women obviously can’t conceive when they are on a period.
Additionally, the semen would not survive long enough to impregnate a woman anyway.

And how can you spread “racial superiority” if you don’t know who is buying the box? What if a black or latina woman bought it?

Additionally, the box is sealed and every tampon in it is individually wrapped.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 11:59:05am

re: #69 Anymouse 🌹

Well, the NYT has yet to apologise for endorsing Hitler, for what that’s worth.

And the Screw York Times hasn’t apologized for fabricating Whitewater, Travelgate, or conspiring with BreitFART on the libelous trash Clinton Cash book.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 12:01:00pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I think it’s neither, but instead pure politics. Biden is gambling that there is a larger percentage of voters who just want “business as usual,” who can be convinced that things will go back to “normal” once Trump is gone and the GOP have been knocked back on their heels. And, if you look at the polls right now, it’s not that bad of a gamble.

And as much as we want change, those of us paying attention have to be mindful that the majority of Democrats aren’t. And those are the ones that will be easily turned off if it looks like you’re attacking their neighbors.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:02:51pm

re: #71 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Additionally, the box is sealed and every tampon in it is individually wrapped.

and the dried up evidence would be plain to see on the outside of the wrappers

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 12:03:29pm

re: #55 Scottish Dragon

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A couple months ago, Dreher claimed he would have fought on the side of the Nazis in the Spanish Civil War…

I have no freaking clue why the NYT or any other respectable venue gives space to this freak.

A friend of my daughter who teaches at Texas Tech had a student who blamed the Spanish-American War on “communist aggression.”

The twist is that we were the commies.

His reasoning (if we may call it that) was that the Cuban rebels were, of course, socialists resisting the God-ordained authority of the Spanish monarchy. Like all media overlords, Pulitzer and Hearst were also closet socialists as was Teddy Roosevelt. TR demonstrated this later when he became the first president to “interfere with business,” (with the Pure Food and Drug Act and his anti-trust activities.) When the time was right these conspirators arranged for the liberal agitator John “Black Jack” Pershing (known for his affinity for people of color) to dynamite the Maine in Havana, thereby inciting another war to advance the red flag of communism, which it eventually did.

I wish I were making this up. I was astounded at the pure audacity of this fabrication, but learned later that it is a fairly common view among Birchers.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:05:32pm

re: #73 Belafon

And as much as we want change, those of us paying attention have to be mindful that the majority of Democrats aren’t. And those are the ones that will be easily turned off if it looks like you’re attacking their neighbors.

Ayep. Unfortunate as we may think it, there is a large portion of the population who wants to believe that their wild-eyed brother/friend/neighbor/etc is just “misguided” and has been led astray by the pied-piper that is Donald Trump. And that, removed from his influence, they’ll return to being reasonable people who can be debated with one what’s best for America.

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Scottish Dragon  May 15, 2019 • 12:05:58pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Good God…

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Hecuba's daughter  May 15, 2019 • 12:07:14pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

I hope to God that Biden really isn’t that damned gullible.

The Republicans who manufactured Whitewater and Travelgate and the Clintons murdering Vince Foster? Those Republicans? Obama had thought that the Republican hostility was directed specifically against Clinton and that’s why he would be able to work with them. No — Washington Republicans won’t work with anyone who is a Democrat, regardless of race, religion, or gender. I don’t know what would ever revive the congeniality that supposedly existed in the past. It is a casualty of the right wing cultural and economic warriors of the late 20th century.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:07:43pm

*barf*

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:08:37pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

A friend of my daughter who teaches at Texas Tech had a student who blamed the Spanish-American War on “communist aggression.”

The twist is that we were the commies.

His reasoning (if we may call it that) was that the Cuban rebels were, of course, socialists resisting the God-ordained authority of the Spanish monarchy. Like all media overlords, Pulitzer and Hearst were also closet socialists as was Teddy Roosevelt. TR demonstrated this later when he became the first president to “interfere with business,” (with the Pure Food and Drug Act and his anti-trust activities.) When the time was right these conspirators arranged for the liberal agitator John “Black Jack” Pershing (known for his affinity for people of color) to dynamite the Maine in Havana, thereby inciting another war to advance the red flag of communism, which it eventually did.

I wish I were making this up. I was astounded at the pure audacity of this fabrication, but learned later that it is a fairly common view among Birchers.

Wow I had never heard that. Birchers are weird.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:08:47pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:10:14pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Ayep. Unfortunate as we may think it, there is a large portion of the population who wants to believe that their wild-eyed brother/friend/neighbor/etc is just “misguided” and has been led astray by the pied-piper that is Donald Trump. And that, removed from his influence, they’ll return to being reasonable people who can be debated with one what’s best for America.

Well, when you had the Texas GOP come out against teaching critical thinking in their platform a few years ago …

They’ve been working at training people not to think for decades. All Trump did was leverage that to his advantage.

Imagine if we’d had a smart Trump instead of the one we have now. [shudder]

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:11:12pm

re: #81 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Next year is gonna be very uncomfortable for her if RvW is struck down next spring.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 15, 2019 • 12:15:53pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

I hope to God that Biden really isn’t that damned gullible.

I’m confident he isn’t. It’s just what lots of voters who believe in “bipartisanship” want to hear.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 12:23:49pm

re: #79 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Americans across this Country love you, support you, and respect you more than you could possibly know!”

…except when you shoot unarmed black people for no good reason and don’t see a single day in prison for it.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 12:25:36pm

Wee bit of excitement here…. helicopter fell short of the landing pad… one person was aboard and it seems he’s okay.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 12:27:05pm

re: #40 Belafon

So Sad:

The Wisconsin Republican Party’s finances are in bad shape after going all in for Scott Walker, who lost. The state GOP has been racking up $600 a month in interest on a maxed-out credit card.jsonline.com

deficit spending doesnt matter //

watch them follow the trump model and default or negotiate down the debt

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 12:27:46pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Ayep. Unfortunate as we may think it, there is a large portion of the population who wants to believe that their wild-eyed brother/friend/neighbor/etc is just “misguided” and has been led astray by the pied-piper that is Donald Trump. And that, removed from his influence, they’ll return to being reasonable people who can be debated with one what’s best for America.

Because, as described above, what they would have to think of their friends/famly otherwise (and therefore what they would have to think of themselves) most people don’t want to contemplate.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:32:12pm

How Is Awful Kid In Alaska Different From Coast Guard Terrorist Guy? (Wonkette)

Another day, another conservative busted planning mass-murder of Jews and Muslims.

In this case, the judge decided he was too dangerous to let out on pre-trial bail, even with GPS monitoring and such.

The FBI was tipped by people over his social media posts. The same day they were also tipped by Customs and Border Protection they’d intercepted a package with a selector switch to turn a Glock handgun into a fully automatic weapon.

A search of the apartment turned up 11 firearms and the two silencers, which like fully automatic weapons require a federal license. One of the silencers carried an image of a swastika and the secret neo-Nazi code “1488,” and isn’t THAT special, mister baby Nazi scum?

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:32:25pm

re: #88 Belafon

Because, as described above, what they would have to think of their friends/famly otherwise (and therefore what they would have to think of themselves) most people don’t want to contemplate.

What we (unfortunately) have is a large percentage of voters who want to believe that if you just remove Trump, things will go “back to normal.” And that’s what the DNC leadership is trying to sell them on in this election, that if people who hate Trump just sweat it out for another 18 months, then Trump will be gone and we can return to “normal.”

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 12:32:45pm

re: #68 Targetpractice

I think it’s neither, but instead pure politics. Biden is gambling that there is a larger percentage of voters who just want “business as usual,” who can be convinced that things will go back to “normal” once Trump is gone and the GOP have been knocked back on their heels. And, if you look at the polls right now, it’s not that bad of a gamble.

win this way
then govern properly

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 15, 2019 • 12:34:35pm

re: #91 DangerMan

win this way
then govern properly

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:36:42pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:37:48pm

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

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Good.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 12:39:25pm

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

“I’ll double the money I send you.”
Here’s your choice, farmer: “Sold” or “Stop the BS.”

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:39:42pm

re: #93 Anymouse 🌹

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It’s great to hear that. Unfortunately, a lot of his friends are gonna take the appeal to blind patriotism and run with it, convinced that their hardship is “worth it” if it means that America beats China.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:40:44pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Good.

In the video he doesn’t just go after Trump, he goes after the whole GOP.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 12:43:04pm

re: #1 Scottish Dragon

I hope to God that Biden really isn’t that damned gullible.

He is trying his own appeal to the GOP but I cannot imagine he is counting on them to be any different

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 15, 2019 • 12:44:50pm

re: #11 lawhawk

Not since 1986 has the U.S. seen so few babies born. And it’s an ongoing slump: 2018 was the fourth consecutive year of birth declines

Things will pick up as soon as we repeal Roe v Wade...

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:45:16pm

huh, you don’t say…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:46:30pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:48:31pm

Alabama Senate Votes to Virtually Eliminate Tourism to Alabama (Borowitz Report)

MONTGOMERY, Alabama (The Borowitz Report)—The Alabama Senate voted on Tuesday to approve a measure that would virtually eliminate tourism to Alabama.

Greg Reed, the Senate Majority Leader, said that, if signed into law, the measure would achieve his fellow Republican senators’ long-standing goal of making tourism to Alabama “so rare as to be essentially nonexistent.”

“This is a great day for everyone in the state of Alabama who has worked so hard to wipe out the evil scourge of tourism,” he said.

(more)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:49:26pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:50:10pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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She’s fucking awful.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:50:33pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

huh, you don’t say…

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You built this Pat.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:51:02pm
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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:51:16pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

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To paraphrase Mr. Zeddemore, “That’s a big banana.”

/geek moment

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:51:17pm

re: #97 Anymouse 🌹

In the video he doesn’t just go after Trump, he goes after the whole GOP.

Yeah because the entire GOP is going along with this just to appease Trump.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:52:39pm

Thread, six tweets.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 12:53:13pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

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There’s always an excuse for why it’s not the message, it’s the messenger. In this case, it wasn’t a highly divisive vote, it was an inconvenient bit of scheduling…in an election that saw the GOP spanked harshly for that vote among others.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:53:33pm

LOL…pretty sure Iran already said fuck you, moron-in-chief

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 12:53:48pm

re: #95 Belafon

“I’ll double the money I send you.”
Here’s your choice, farmer: “Sold” or “Stop the BS.”

2*0 = 0

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 12:55:00pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL…pretty sure Iran already said fuck you, moron-in-chief

Maybe if you didn’t whine so much.

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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 12:55:33pm
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 12:55:47pm

re: #101 Backwoods_Sleuth

@rollcall
Martha McSally said she ran out of time with voters after a divisive August primary left a short window to shift to a general election j.mp

we’da won if we had 11 innings, 5 quarters, etc

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 12:57:07pm
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Anymouse 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 12:57:16pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

There’s always an excuse for why it’s not the message, it’s the messenger. In this case, it wasn’t a highly divisive vote, it was an inconvenient bit of scheduling…in an election that saw the GOP spanked harshly for that vote among others.

“Conservatism cannot fail; it can only be failed.”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:00:10pm

Lindsey is pathetic

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:00:47pm
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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 1:01:00pm

re: #111 Backwoods_Sleuth

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LOL…pretty sure Iran already said fuck you, moron-in-chief

Hey Biff, didn’t you learn your lesson a couple weeks ago? Bolton cannot deliver on his promises. Just look at how much of a fool you ended up looking for supporting a coup in Venezuela that ended up going nowhere.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 1:01:41pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is pathetic

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Not to worry, he’ll get over this after another round of golf with Donny.

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 1:02:06pm
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 1:04:12pm

re: #102 Anymouse 🌹

Alabama Senate Votes to Virtually Eliminate Tourism to Alabama (Borowitz Report)

(more)

- in the early 90’s i took some time and went on a 2 year grand motorcycle tour of the country
- having (at the time) NY plates on the bike, and for other reasons, i was not anxious to visit some, ahem, southern states.
- in the end i got the better of my prejudices and wound up in a back country campground deep in alabama. I met a wonderful bunch of local people. one took me even deeper/higher into the back hills (yes i heard banjo music in my head). in the end, i had about the best week of my entire adventure.
- 28 years ago and i still remember a lot of it vividly.

today i would almost certainly ride around alabama. georgia’s getting problematic too

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:05:16pm

re: #122 lawhawk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:08:55pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 1:09:46pm

re: #17 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

CL’d on the last thread, so here it is again - my hopes that this is just a hoax:

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It’s a “joke”. (Yes I Googled it so you don’t have to.)

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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 1:10:50pm

re: #123 DangerMan

I’ve got the national park bucket list, and Alabama, Georgia, and SC are all on the list, but wont go back to GA or SC, and wont go to AL so long as they treat women as broodmares, and refuse to give women agency over their own bodies.

I can take my money elsewhere (and will).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:12:02pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 1:12:06pm

I was at the supermarket today and the “background music” was playing a song that has to be Joe Biden’s favorite.

Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle
Why don’t you meet me in the middle

It just goes on and on and on like that, that one line, 2 notes, for the entire “song” which is like about an hour long.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 1:13:49pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is pathetic

Sen. Graham after State Dept. orders personnel to leave Iraq posts: “I would urge the State Dept. and DoD to come down here and explain to us what’s going on” with alleged threats from Iran. “We need to understand what we’re doing.”nbcnews.to

dude, you’re being cut out of the loop - or more accurately you guys cut yourselves out of the loop a long time ago

you didnt say “oversight, tariffs, power of the purse, ok, but we’re keeping war powers. oh, and no backsies”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:16:59pm

this has been the big news here in eastern Kentucky since Sunday:

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:17:14pm
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Mescalero  May 15, 2019 • 1:18:07pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

MR. TOADS WILD RIDE.
“Stop crying. Most people are charged for that.”
But in all seriousness, in winds like that, you just don’t go up.
Or you have counter balance weights.
5 and Dime outfit.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:18:07pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 1:18:18pm

re: #103 Backwoods_Sleuth

1 banana = 1 BED; a chest X-ray = 200 BEDs; and 10 minutes in the Chernobyl reactor = 500 million BEDs

Also, 500 million BEDs = 30 seconds of exposure to Godzilla.

You know, something the various Godzilla flicks have never really addressed (aside from the 1954 original)…….anywhere Godzilla goes basically becomes a vast radioactive wasteland. He’s a walking Chernobyl.

Tokyo must be a real mess.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 15, 2019 • 1:19:08pm

As expected, the WH has denied any further documents to Nadler re: Obstruction of justice probe. It looks like they have set the precedent for oversight, meaning there is none.

And Joe? If you think this will all change once Trump is out of office, you’re an idiot.

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 1:19:27pm

re: #132 jaunte

Mueller’s totally partisan hoax investigation with his 22 Angry Democrats and he’s very compromised should stop right now it’s a criminal enterprise and coup against our Magnificent MAGA POTUS and—oh hey what about that Mueller EXONERATED POTUS!!!! there that’s that investigation over TOTALLY CLEARED EXONERATED NO COLLUSION so you House people can’t investigate or ask any more questions.

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Mescalero  May 15, 2019 • 1:20:47pm
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lawhawk  May 15, 2019 • 1:21:12pm

re: #132 jaunte

We’re well into a constitutional crisis, and the GOP in the Senate are more than willing to play dead for Trump so that the GOP can continue to pack the courts with their awful picks, Trump can sabotage functioning government, and Barr can rewrite the law by diktat so that the Constitution, the checks and balances, and oversight are meaningless.

Meanwhile, had any Democrat even so much considered a fraction of what Trump is doing, the GOP would be so far into impeachment that they’d already be at the Senate trial and voting on removal from office as I type.

Trump’s criminal conduct is breathtaking. Trump’s legal arguments claiming the right to engage in that criminal conduct without oversight/investigation by a co-equal branch, is even more stunning (and entirely predictable given that Barr’s history was all about expanding the role of the Executive and turning the Congress into a rubber stamp).

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:22:38pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:23:27pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 1:26:01pm
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 1:26:26pm

re: #132 jaunte

White House lawyers say it’s improper for Congress to investigate the president’s conduct when the Justice Department has already investigated him

- there is no double jeopardy to ‘investigation’
- until congress gets the entire report and supporting dox, it has no way to evaluate the investigation
- there is no prohibition about extending an investigation into areas/conduct it didnt cover (by choice or by scope limitations of the original order)
- p.s. - yesterday they said in court that congress virtually couldnt investigate the president for ‘criminal wrongdoing’ at all
- finally, white house lawyers are not the arbiter of what congressional power is (and limits are)

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 1:26:27pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is pathetic

He sounds very concerned.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 15, 2019 • 1:28:53pm

So the Los Angeles DA had me served with a subpoena. I have rejected the legally binding demand for information because my opinion is that it is not a legitimate request. Just kidding who do I think I am… The President?

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 1:28:53pm

re: #143 DangerMan

- there is no double jeopardy to ‘investigation’
- until congress gets the entire report and supporting dox, it has no way to evaluate the investigation
- there is no prohibition about extending an investigation into areas/conduct it didnt cover (by choice or by scope limitations of the original order)
- p.s. - yesterday they said in court that congress virtually couldnt investigate the president for ‘criminal wrongdoing’ at all
- finally, white house lawyers are not the arbiter of what congressional power is (and limits are)

Otherwise they’d have to explain Benghazi and Emailghazigate.

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 1:30:12pm

re: #146 Belafon

Otherwise they’d have to explain Benghazi and Emailghazigate.

Those were different because

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 1:32:44pm

re: #147 Sir John Barron

Those were different because

“The American people had questions that needed answers!”

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 15, 2019 • 1:33:49pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fuck fines. Drag them away in cuffs.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 1:34:02pm

Fort Worth seminary removes stained-glass honoring conservative Southern Baptist leaders

Stained-glass windows memorializing religious leaders who helped shift the Southern Baptist Convention to a more conservative stance were unveiled with great fanfare several years ago at the Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary.

Last month, those colorful images depicting religious leaders ranging from televangelist Jerry Falwell to former Seminary President Paige Patterson quietly came down.

This came nearly a year after Patterson, one of the leaders of the so-called “conservative resurgence,” was fired for how he handled sexual assault allegations.

Two of those windows depicting Falwell and Jerry Vines, a former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, were displayed last week at a graduation ceremony for Liberty University, a private Christian university Falwell founded in Lynchburg, Virginia.

Falwell’s son, Jerry Falwell Jr., criticized the Fort Worth seminary’s decision to remove the windows from the MacGorman Chapel, saying the windows have now been “removed by the new regime,” according to the Baptist News Global. “Unfortunately, a new generation has taken the convention away from those values in many ways.”

Somebody there actually opened a Bible and found the part about idolatry.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 1:34:46pm

“Where this argument leaves us: The Justice Department says it can’t charge a sitting president lest it interfere with his constitutional powers. . And the White House says Congress can’t investigate him because it doesn’t have the power to conduct ‘law enforcement’ inquiries.”

So Trump just made himself bulletproof and we’re totally fucked now?

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:35:54pm

re: #150 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Sounds like they’re taking in a lot of money if they can waste it on optional stained glass portraits.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 1:36:48pm

“Jerry Nadler warns House may impose ‘very large’ fines for people held in inherent contempt, and says in response to latest WH rejection of his requests for info: “We are not ending the investigation.”

Republicans will easily be able to afford ‘very large’ fines to protect Trumps tax returns.

I don’t see this is an effective penalty.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 1:38:44pm

Does Nadler next expect to threaten them with a harshly-worded letter?

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:39:54pm

This habitual stonewalling is going to bring about a violent reaction.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:40:32pm
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 15, 2019 • 1:43:46pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

Does Nadler next expect to threaten them with a harshly-worded letter?

Poking with the soft cushions.

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KGxvi  May 15, 2019 • 1:45:00pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

“Jerry Nadler warns House may impose ‘very large’ fines for people held in inherent contempt, and says in response to latest WH rejection of his requests for info: “We are not ending the investigation.”

Republicans will easily be able to afford ‘very large’ fines to protect Trumps tax returns.

I don’t see this is an effective penalty.

Arrest them, impeach them… warm up the tar and cut open the down pillows

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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 1:45:46pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 15, 2019 • 1:49:32pm

Gonna call it a day. Have fun, Lizards.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 1:49:57pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

“Jerry Nadler warns House may impose ‘very large’ fines for people held in inherent contempt, and says in response to latest WH rejection of his requests for info: “We are not ending the investigation.”

Republicans will easily be able to afford ‘very large’ fines to protect Trumps tax returns.

I don’t see this is an effective penalty.

It was something like $25K per day.

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:51:43pm

re: #161 Belafon

Maybe he could add an exponential factor to it.

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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 1:52:01pm
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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 1:52:15pm

Ha:

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 1:52:20pm

So I assume that hitting Barr with a fine was the harsh punishment we were told would be coming when Nadler held him in contempt, which is why we should wait and be patient rather than demanding action from the DNC leadership…

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 1:53:05pm

re: #152 jaunte

Sounds like they’re taking in a lot of money if they can waste it on optional stained glass portraits.

The chapel they are part of cost $16 million a few years ago. There are 69 windows but I don’t know how many contained portraits.
Stained-glass windows honor leaders of Fort Worth seminary

Religious activist Frederick Clarkson denounced the display in uncompromising terms:
Portraits of Vanity in Stained Glass (December 29, 2013)

The chapel at Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary is in the process of becoming a spectacle of nepotism, cronyism and ostentatious self-importance. This is the 12 year project of the wife of one of the leaders of the conservative take-over of the Southern Baptist Convention. It is her “dream” to memorialize dozens of SBC conservative faction leaders in stained glass in the chapel Southwest Baptist Theological Seminary. Dorothy Patterson, wife of current seminary President and erstwhile conservative insurgent, Paige Patterson, was recently featured in a front page story about her project in the Ft. Worth Star-Telegram.
Next year, the Pattersons will be among the first to be immortalized in a stained glass window together.

Clarkson has been exposing the religious right since the 70s and was the first to document the connection between fundy churches and armed militias (5 years before Oklahoma City).

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jaunte  May 15, 2019 • 1:53:31pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 1:59:37pm

Holy shit! Special snitch line and all.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 2:00:44pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Holy shit! Special snitch line and all.

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I can see all sorts of ways to make that backfire big time

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 2:01:00pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

Lindsey is pathetic

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I see he is using some of that Trump hair product *spritz* *spritz*

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 2:01:52pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Holy shit! Special snitch line and all.

The “no matter your views” is just special.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 2:02:36pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can see all sorts of ways to make that backfire big time

I was wondering if right wing outlets will now be forced to accept content from the
Communist Party. Come to think of it, they have re-cycled a lot of commie propaganda.

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Sir John Barron  May 15, 2019 • 2:02:56pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Holy shit! Special snitch line and all.

I actually feel a little bit sorry for the staffer(s) who has to read the responses.

Well, not really, but can you imagine the derp this is gonna generate?

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 2:06:22pm

re: #153 Eclectic Cyborg

“Jerry Nadler warns House may impose ‘very large’ fines for people held in inherent contempt, and says in response to latest WH rejection of his requests for info: “We are not ending the investigation.”

Republicans will easily be able to afford ‘very large’ fines to protect Trumps tax returns.

I don’t see this is an effective penalty.

they’re going through each of the three kinds of contempt, i’d guess

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 2:06:44pm

re: #123 DangerMan

- in the early 90’s i took some time and went on a 2 year grand motorcycle tour of the country
- having (at the time) NY plates on the bike, and for other reasons, i was not anxious to visit some, ahem, southern states.
- in the end i got the better of my prejudices and wound up in a back country campground deep in alabama. I met a wonderful bunch of local people. one took me even deeper/higher into the back hills (yes i heard banjo music in my head). in the end, i had about the best week of my entire adventure.
- 28 years ago and i still remember a lot of it vividly.

today i would almost certainly ride around alabama. georgia’s getting problematic too

In 2013 Zedushka and I drove down to Huntsville to visit our son who was living there at the time.

We followed the directions given by the Garmin, which took us off the Interstate just above the Tennessee line and guided us down some roads that became increasingly backwoodsy (no offense to Sleuth, here!), with the stereotypical cars on blocks, washing machines in the overgrown yards. And yet the Garmin said the destination was 8 minutes ahead… 7 minutes… 6 minutes…

And suddenly there we were in a nicely landscaped subdivision of McMansions!

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 2:08:06pm

re: #158 KGxvi

Arrest them, impeach them… warm up the tar and cut open the down pillows

ever notice in every old movie when ‘tar and feathers’ was employed (except comedies) there was always a stock of pourable / liquid tar and lots of feathers available - in every single town…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 2:12:42pm

re: #161 Belafon

It was something like $25K per day.

Which is equal to about $750 000 per month or $9 million per year.

So…what happens if they refuse to pay the fines?

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 2:13:36pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Holy shit! Special snitch line and all.

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THERE IS NO RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS YOU STUPID HATEFUL MOTHERFUCKERS!!!

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 2:14:49pm

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

I can see all sorts of ways to make that backfire big time

Have you been blocked by a president or Congressman? Has twitter blocked you for criticizing a conservative?

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wrenchwench  May 15, 2019 • 2:28:29pm
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Ace Rothstein  May 15, 2019 • 2:31:39pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

I’d also like to add that whenever he crosses his arms it’s even a bigger sign than usual that he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. It’s one of his biggest tells.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 2:38:27pm

re: #181 Ace Rothstein

I’d also like to add that whenever he crosses his arms it’s even a bigger sign than usual that he has no fucking idea what he’s talking about. It’s one of his biggest tells.

and he ALWAYS has a pouty face to match when he does that

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 2:39:12pm

re: #179 Belafon

Have you been blocked by a president or Congressman? Has twitter blocked you for criticizing a conservative?

Why Twitter put me in jail for 7 days for insulting Talky Tomi From The Twilight Zone!

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 2:41:47pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

What we (unfortunately) have is a large percentage of voters who want to believe that if you just remove Trump, things will go “back to normal.” And that’s what the DNC leadership is trying to sell them on in this election, that if people who hate Trump just sweat it out for another 18 months, then Trump will be gone and we can return to “normal.”

We aren’t going to return to normal. We shouldn’t return to normal. But we must return to a civic process that lets us continue the search for “better than normal”.

The first step is to stop the embrace of the awful.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 15, 2019 • 2:41:49pm

I started to report RedState on that snitch line and gave up. The information they want is so dense and asked for in such unexpected ways that they must not want anyone to complete reports: Things like screen captures of what happened to you, links to what happened to you, etc. You know, the kinds of things you always capture at that moment in time or have access to once you are bounced from a site.

It’s just a front, a flashy equivalent of a big pile of empty sheets of paper stacked by the podium.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 2:42:57pm

re: #185 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

I started to report RedState - I was one of its first members and even helped a bit with the IT, to be a spy until they found me out - on that snitch line and gave up. The information they want is so dense, and asked for in such unexpected ways, that they must not want anyone to complete reports. Things like screen captures of what happened to you, links to what happened to you, etc. You know, the kinds of things you always capture at that moment in time or have access to once you are bounced from a site.

It’s just a front.

Just filling in their MAGA goose lists.
urbandictionary.com

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Barefoot Grin  May 15, 2019 • 2:44:29pm

I don’t know much about Alabama, but my mom’s from rural Georgia, so we spent big chunks of summer there, and I went to school for four years in Atlanta. The people are unfailingly polite except for the occasional comment about my “yankee accent.” Why wouldn’t they be—I’m a white middle-class male who is also generally polite except for the occasional comment about Georgia accents. The black citizens in my grandparents’ county literally lived in tar-paper shacks and had to defer to them with “yes, ma’am” and “yes, sir.” Gosh I wish Stacy Abrams would run and win a Senate seat there.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 2:49:15pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 2:50:17pm
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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 2:53:39pm

re: #176 DangerMan

ever notice in every old movie when ‘tar and feathers’ was employed (except comedies) there was always a stock of pourable / liquid tar and lots of feathers available - in every single town…

Pine tar (the kind actually used) was quite common as a waterproofing agent and had a low melting point. It was meant to embarrass and shame the victim, not kill them which petroleum tar would.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 2:56:11pm

re: #190 William Lewis

Pine tar (the kind actually used) was quite common as a waterproofing agent and had a low melting point. It was meant to embarrass and shame the victim, not kill them which petroleum tar would.

That scene in John Adams. Man.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 2:57:41pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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And then what, Tom? We “win,” and then what? Unless we’re committed to yet another prolonged occupation, all we’ve really done is killed a lot of people, blown up a lot of buildings, and snuffed out any hope for a pro-West movement one day taking power. You will have killed any hope of a liberalization of Iran for a generation, if not longer.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 2:58:34pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

And then what, Tom? We “win,” and then what? Unless we’re committed to yet another prolonged occupation, all we’ve really done is killed a lot of people, blown up a lot of buildings, and snuffed out any hope for a pro-West movement one day taking power. You will have killed any hope of a liberalization of Iran for a generation, if not longer.

Yep. He really is echoing his mentor- Cheney here.

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allegro  May 15, 2019 • 3:01:17pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

And then what, Tom? We “win,” and then what? Unless we’re committed to yet another prolonged occupation, all we’ve really done is killed a lot of people, blown up a lot of buildings, and snuffed out any hope for a pro-West movement one day taking power. You will have killed any hope of a liberalization of Iran for a generation, if not longer.

The one question I asked every single person who supported the Iraq war was this: what is a win? What does it look like?

Not one person could answer that. The best they could do was sputter and try to change the subject. Then I asked the follow-up question: so why are we there? More sputter.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 15, 2019 • 3:02:22pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

And then what, Tom? We “win,” and then what? Unless we’re committed to yet another prolonged occupation, all we’ve really done is killed a lot of people, blown up a lot of buildings, and snuffed out any hope for a pro-West movement one day taking power. You will have killed any hope of a liberalization of Iran for a generation, if not longer.

As much as Bolton loves war, my guess is that Trump will do whatever his handler tells him. The question is: does Putin want us to ignite a war in the Middle East? Trump likes bombing things but he doesn’t seem to have an appetite for a real conflict where American forces may actually die.

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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 3:03:12pm

re: #194 allegro

The one question I asked every single person who supported the Iraq war was this: what is a win? What does it look like?

Not one person could answer that. The best they could do was sputter and try to change the subject. Then I asked the follow-up question: so why are we there? More sputter.

The reality is that a “win” is something we never seem to achieve, but simultaneously are “abandoning” if we should choose to withdraw our troops to end combat operations.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 3:05:46pm

I am looking forward to the “Mao Tse Tung Hour” and “The Alinsky/Soros Agitation Guide” on conservative media now that President Trump has acted to end “censorship” on privately owned media.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 15, 2019 • 3:06:34pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cotton was trying to do the old trash talk line “There’ll only two hits: I hit you, you hit the ground!”

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 15, 2019 • 3:08:45pm

re: #194 allegro

The one question I asked every single person who supported the Iraq war was this: what is a win? What does it look like?

Not one person could answer that. The best they could do was sputter and try to change the subject. Then I asked the follow-up question: so why are we there? More sputter.

Exactly the line I’ve used on people who said we should have won Vietnam. They never can define what a “win” would have been. So, never get into a war where you can’t define what winning is, but you CAN define what losing is.

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 3:10:10pm
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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 3:10:51pm

re: #190 William Lewis

Pine tar (the kind actually used) was quite common as a waterproofing agent and had a low melting point. It was meant to embarrass and shame the victim, not kill them which petroleum tar would.

im having fun here but im still saying
every town
big and small
no matter how isolated or near another town / on a supply route / stage coach route
desert towns, plains, mountain towns, towns a thousand miles from a pine tree

some of these towns the general store was like batman’s utility belt. they had …everything
//

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 3:11:15pm

re: #188 Backwoods_Sleuth

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If that son of a CENSORED wants war that bad then he needs to resign from the Senate and go on the front line along with every offspring of Republican officeholders.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 15, 2019 • 3:11:32pm

I’m starting to think that the only thing in the minds of the folks pushing us toward war with Iran is a need to push Iran’s face in the dirt for embarrassing in 1980. No thought of what comes after, just the need to strike back at someone who made us feel weak. Everything else is all rationalization around that core need.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 3:12:05pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

And then what, Tom? We “win,” and then what? Unless we’re committed to yet another prolonged occupation, all we’ve really done is killed a lot of people, blown up a lot of buildings, and snuffed out any hope for a pro-West movement one day taking power. You will have killed any hope of a liberalization of Iran for a generation, if not longer.

its teenager thinking - i beat him up, i won

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wrenchwench  May 15, 2019 • 3:14:50pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m starting to think that the only thing in the minds of the folks pushing us toward war with Iran is a need to push Iran’s face in the dirt for embarrassing in 1980. No thought of what comes after, just the need to strike back at someone who made us feel weak. Everything else is all rationalization around that core need.

They are doing the bidding of their buddies the Saudis.

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DangerMan  May 15, 2019 • 3:16:50pm

re: #200 gocart mozart

They did not react to this as a massive tragedy in which 4,000 “babies” died.

They did not FEEL or THINK that it was a massive tragedy in which 4,000 “babies” died.

Because they KNOW that an embryo has great worth as a potential person, but that it is not yet a person.

- naturally fertilized eggs are god’s will and so they count
- artificially fertilized eggs dont (at least not yet)

conversely

- natural miscarriages are (generally) god’s will
- any artificial means is not - (apparently god’s power does not extend to the decision or the process here)

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 3:26:43pm

I…think this guy is a Black man. Which makes it all the more frustrating that no one can get through his skull.

Would saying the word “apartheid” out loud get him to understand, or is this just a sea lion?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 3:27:07pm

Kay Ivey just signed the abortion bill in Alabama…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 15, 2019 • 3:27:41pm

alabama is also the state that thoroughly shot itself in the foot in regard to undocumented labor:

google.com

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 3:28:16pm

A woman signs away a woman’s right over her own body…

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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 3:28:26pm

re: #207 Chrysicat

I…think this guy is a Black man. Which makes it all the more frustrating that no one can get through his skull.

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Would saying the word “apartheid” out loud get him to understand, or is this just a sea lion?

Presume troll until proven innocent.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 3:28:34pm

re: #208 Joe Bacon 🌹

Kay Ivey just signed the abortion bill in Arizona…

Wouldn’t it make more sense for her to sign the one in Alabama? 😼

Also, this is my total lack of surprise. Evangelicals gonna evange.

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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 3:29:19pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

A woman signs away a woman’s right over her own body…

Self hate is a hell of a thing. Just ask Baby Snidely.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 15, 2019 • 3:29:38pm

re: #212 Chrysicat

Chrysicat, I just went nuclear here…sorry…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 3:29:44pm

re: #206 DangerMan

- naturally fertilized eggs are god’s will and so they count
- artificially fertilized eggs dont (at least not yet)

conversely

- natural miscarriages are (generally) god’s will

- any artificial means is not - (apparently god’s power does not extend to the decision or the process here)

bolded part is not true in Georgia anymore

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 3:30:36pm
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Targetpractice  May 15, 2019 • 3:34:51pm

re: #210 Joe Bacon 🌹

A woman signs away a woman’s right over her own body…

While lying to herself that it won’t ever apply to her or those closest to her because she has the means to just bypass it, either through a private physician or private transport to a place more liberal. And even if it does, well there’ll be some organization or another that will sue to overturn the law, ensuring an injunction while the law has time to worm its way to the SCOTUS bench.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 3:49:37pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 3:51:38pm

We don’t deserve dogs.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  May 15, 2019 • 3:51:44pm

re: #200 gocart mozart

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Rich white people conceive through in vitro fertilization, which usually results in unused frozen fetuses. That’s the difference.

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gocart mozart  May 15, 2019 • 3:54:45pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 3:55:22pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 3:56:57pm
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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 3:59:46pm

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Save your donations for the eventual nominees. It’s suicidal to pay a pack of numbnuts to gut each other for the next 12 months.

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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 4:01:04pm

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Oh, goddamn, not another old white fuck… I’m ready for an amendment saying mayor’s and governor’s can’t run.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 15, 2019 • 4:05:49pm

Hey, just a thought for all the Trumpkins who want to support America’s Great Patriot Soy Farmers as they stand on the frontlines of the Glorious Five Year Plan - oh, sorry! I mean the Great Patriotic Trade War - EAT TOFU!. It’s healthy for you, and it will help our Great Patriot Farmers!

And, if you want to support the Great Patriotic Pork Producers who now also can’t sell to China, just make some Ma Po Tofu.

Support our Great Patriot Farmers - become a Soy Boy!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 4:06:29pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 4:07:15pm

Kay Ivey is not a Handmaid, she is a Wife

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 4:08:39pm

re: #225 William Lewis

Oh, goddamn, not another old white fuck… I’m ready for an amendment saying mayor’s and governor’s can’t run.

I’m ready for the DNC to put a cap on the number of candidates.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 15, 2019 • 4:12:01pm

re: #209 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

I love this spin.

“Alabama illustrated that illegal immigrants will respond to changed incentives,” Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies and a backer of HB 56, told msnbc. “But states can’t follow through on those changes if the federal government is actively fighting them.”

I particularly enjoyed the shift of “federal government enforcing the constitution and the law” to “the federal government actively fighting them”. More proof that right-whingers want to live in an autocracy.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 4:13:44pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

I’m ready for the DNC to put a cap on the number of candidates.

THIS.

Any more jumping on and the boat just might sink.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 4:15:24pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

every life is precious, which is why Georgia still has the death penalty

EDIT: I meant to say Alabama…but it applies to both states

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 15, 2019 • 4:16:18pm

re: #229 The Vicious Babushka

I’m ready for the DNC to put a cap on the number of candidates.

I suspect Darwin will take care of most of them.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 15, 2019 • 4:16:24pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Kay Ivey is not a Handmaid, she is a Wife

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Man, she is getting absolutely trashed in the replies.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 15, 2019 • 4:16:32pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

Save your donations for the eventual nominees. It’s suicidal to pay a pack of numbnuts to gut each other for the next 12 months.

This times a billion-billion.

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goddamnedfrank  May 15, 2019 • 4:18:31pm

JFC imagine posting this unironically

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 15, 2019 • 4:19:23pm

re: #228 The Vicious Babushka

Kay Ivey is not a Handmaid, she is a Wife

More like an aunt.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 4:22:13pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

Save your donations for the eventual nominees. It’s suicidal to pay a pack of numbnuts to gut each other for the next 12 months.

I’ve contributed to 4 of the candidates. I have a favorite but I am not going to identify that person publicly until things shake out more. At this point, I would vote for ANY Democrat, including Gabbard, Bernie, and the woo-woo lady, over Trump. I just hope it doesn’t come to that choice. Gabbard vs. Trump would be interesting. We would get to choose which Russian stooge will finish us off.

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stpaulbear  May 15, 2019 • 4:22:35pm

re: #175 The Vicious Babushka

In 2013 Zedushka and I drove down to Huntsville to visit our son who was living there at the time.

We followed the directions given by the Garmin, which took us off the Interstate just above the Tennessee line and guided us down some roads that became increasingly backwoodsy (no offense to Sleuth, here!), with the stereotypical cars on blocks, washing machines in the overgrown yards. And yet the Garmin said the destination was 8 minutes ahead… 7 minutes… 6 minutes…

And suddenly there we were in a nicely landscaped subdivision of McMansions!

Highway 17

Five to ten in Huntsville ain’t no good time boys…

I love the album that this is from. It’s soooo good.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 4:27:31pm
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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 4:28:17pm

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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Bill de Blasio has a 43% approval rating, in a city where in his initial election he got 80% of the vote. We’re the deepest blue city in the entire nation, and less than half the people think he’s doing his job well.

76% of New Yorkers want him NOT. TO. RUN. FOR. PRESIDENT.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 4:32:56pm

Stupidest White Man Of The Day.
Wear that in the D you chickenshit.
In spoiler tags for Extra Stupid.

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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 4:33:28pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

JFC imagine posting this unironically

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Here’s how the USA used to (and still should) respond to Nazis:

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 4:34:40pm

I feel physically ill over what’s happening in our country.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 4:35:34pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

Stupidest White Man Of The Day.
Wear that in the D you chickenshit.
In spoiler tags for Extra Stupid.

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Sheesh! A white man, King Gillette, invented the safety razor. Why have so many of these yokels forgotten that part of their heritage?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 4:36:45pm

re: #242 The Vicious Babushka

In front of a church…moron

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 4:37:22pm

re: #237 Colère Tueur de Lapin

More like an aunt.

My bad, you are totally right. I thought that the Wives were on top of the pile of privilege, but the Aunts have power over them too.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 4:39:13pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 4:40:19pm

Here is a Stupid White Man who is Even Stupider than the previous Stupid White Man.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:40:56pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a Stupid White Man who is Even Stupider than the previous Stupid White Man.

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That’s disgusting.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:41:18pm

re: #244 plansbandc

I feel physically ill over what’s happening in our country.

Me too. What are we becoming?

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 4:41:59pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

That’s disgusting.

And stupid. The fetal remains are evidence.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 4:42:31pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

*blink*
*blink*
*BLINK*

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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 4:42:40pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Same as we’ve always been under the sheets…

Youtube Video

Somewhat better version,.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 15, 2019 • 4:42:57pm

Science!

Facebook Post

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Patricia Kayden  May 15, 2019 • 4:43:05pm
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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 4:43:15pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

We’re witnessing the end of something potentially great. RIP United States of America.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:44:27pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

And stupid. The fetal remains are evidence.

Yes.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:44:53pm

re: #254 William Lewis

Same as we’ve always been under the sheets…

True but we’re regressing.

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Patricia Kayden  May 15, 2019 • 4:46:05pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:46:44pm

re: #257 plansbandc

We’re witnessing the end of something potentially great. RIP United States of America.

I’m so frustrated by our regression the past three years. Thanks Trump voters and those who refused to vote for HRC.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:47:56pm

re: #260 Patricia Kayden

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But Trump was better on LGBT issues.//

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 4:49:51pm

re: #200 gocart mozart

A frozen embryo is not inside a woman, and therefore is not a means to control her.

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William Lewis  May 15, 2019 • 4:50:22pm

From another place and time… Gemini 6 aborted launch.

Aborted Launch - Gemini 6 (CBS)

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 4:50:25pm
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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 4:50:57pm

re: #203 Blind Frog Belly White

I’m starting to think that the only thing in the minds of the folks pushing us toward war with Iran is a need to push Iran’s face in the dirt for embarrassing in 1980. No thought of what comes after, just the need to strike back at someone who made us feel weak. Everything else is all rationalization around that core need.

The only reason they are for it is so that next year is defined as “Do you really want to change leadership during a war?”

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 4:51:25pm

re: #260 Patricia Kayden

That RW argument re birthright citizenship is bogus. BC depends on geography (less a few diplomatic/military types) not marriage at all.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 4:52:10pm

re: #249 The Vicious Babushka

Here is a Stupid White Man who is Even Stupider than the previous Stupid White Man.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 4:52:29pm

re: #266 Belafon

The only reason they are for it is so that next year is defined as “Do you really want to change leadership during a war?”

Want my leadership in the first couple HMMWVs out the wire.

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Patricia Kayden  May 15, 2019 • 4:55:39pm

re: #262 HappyWarrior

But Trump was better on LGBT issues.//

And Ivanka was an ally to the LGBT community. Remember?

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Patricia Kayden  May 15, 2019 • 4:56:41pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:57:39pm

re: #270 Patricia Kayden

And Ivanka was an ally to the LGBT community. Remember?

Yeah. What a fucking load of shit.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 4:58:20pm

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

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Bibi is such a fucking scumbag. Why did Israelis have to go and re-elect this asshole?

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:01:01pm

Wow. That Matt Walsh stupidity is the grift that keeps on giving.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 5:01:47pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Bibi is such a fucking scumbag. Why did Israelis have to go and re-elect this asshole?

The Israeli system allows a bazillion different political parties to participate and the party that wins a plurality, even if it is 23%, gets first chance to form a coalition with as many of the other parties as it takes to form a majority in the Knesset.

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 15, 2019 • 5:03:11pm

re: #271 Patricia Kayden

Hopefully there’s someone in the Joint Chiefs will pipe up and tell President* Hair Furor that his orders are not lawful, AUMF or not.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:03:15pm

re: #274 Chrysicat

Wow. That Matt Walsh stupidity is the grift that keeps on giving.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:03:23pm

And something I forgot to post this afternoon, after Maddow followed up Hayes with her take on the monarchical presidency:

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:03:49pm

re: #275 The Vicious Babushka

The Israeli system allows a bazillion different political parties to participate and the party that wins a plurality, even if it is 23%, gets first chance to form a coalition with as many of the other parties as it takes to form a majority in the Knesset.

Gotcha. It’s too bad the opposition wasn’t pragmatic enough to rally around one party/person.

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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 15, 2019 • 5:06:11pm

re: #264 William Lewis

From another place and time… Gemini 6 aborted launch.

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Video

That reminds me. Space X has a launch scheduled for tonight.

Starlink Mission

SpaceX is targeting Wednesday, May 15 for the launch of 60 Starlink satellites from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida. SpaceX’s Starlink is a next-generation satellite network capable of connecting the globe, especially reaching those who are not yet connected, with reliable and affordable broadband internet services.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 5:09:04pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Gotcha. It’s too bad the opposition wasn’t pragmatic enough to rally around one party/person.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 15, 2019 • 5:10:33pm

re: #253 Backwoods_Sleuth

*blink*
*blink*
*BLINK*

Do. Not. Read. His. Article. In. The. Daily. Wire.

I made that mistake. The Brillo and bleach shower did nothing to cleanse the vileness that Matt Walsh is. Theocratic fascist says his twitter profile. He’s proud of being a fascist. He knows know history and should be shunned by all. We need more proper shunnings.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:12:10pm

re: #281 The Vicious Babushka

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I know. That’s why I think people who want more parties don’t understand.

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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  May 15, 2019 • 5:14:52pm

re: #206 DangerMan

- naturally fertilized eggs are god’s will and so they count
- artificially fertilized eggs dont (at least not yet)

conversely

- natural miscarriages are (generally) god’s will
- any artificial means is not - (apparently god’s power does not extend to the decision or the process here)

I call “natural miscarriages” God’s miscarriages. Either that or “in His image” includes a reproductive system that aborts more than half of “babies.” Which, I guess, could be why there is only one God. 🤔

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:16:00pm
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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 5:18:48pm

So Hoyer has decided, as the number two Dem in the House, that a priority of Democrats should be protecting Israel from boycotts: thehill.com.

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PhillyPretzel  May 15, 2019 • 5:19:30pm

I saw this bumper sticker at work today. I am marking it as not suitable for work.

This is a first for me. It is right side up.

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teleskiguy  May 15, 2019 • 5:20:23pm

If you want a laugh at the expense of the cavemen that voted for the abortion ban in the Alabama statehouse, this here’s a thread.

I’ve known Jordan since we were little kids, he’s trying to make it in Los Angeles as a professional comedian. If he’s playing in any club near you check him out, he’s funny!

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 5:20:56pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

I saw this bumper sticker at work today. I am marking it as not suitable for work.

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Looks like you need to delete and repost—opened normally here.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:22:39pm

re: #286 Belafon

So Hoyer has decided, as the number two Dem in the House, that a priority of Democrats should be protecting Israel from boycotts: thehill.com.

Sigh I don’t approve of boycotting Israel but ffs it shouldn’t be a crime.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 5:22:52pm

re: #287 PhillyPretzel

I saw this bumper sticker at work today. I am marking it as not suitable for work.

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This is a first for me. It is right side up.

The only reason it’s not suitable for work is that I work with a lot of conservatives.

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:23:09pm

re: #286 Belafon

We’re paranoid that anything other than active pro-Netanyahu Zionism, thanks to two outspoken women who may well privately support a one-state solution that must be called Palestine, will be ‘called out’ as antiSemitism now. NVM that the only Zionist Rs are the ones who believe that every Jew is an Israeli and that a good 80% of them believe that joint Israeli/American citizenship should be forbidden.

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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 5:23:40pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Sigh I don’t approve of boycotting Israel but ffs it shouldn’t be a crime.

This is really more about Omar and Tlaib than Israel.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 5:24:50pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:26:08pm

re: #288 teleskiguy

If you want a laugh at the expense of the cavemen that voted for the abortion ban in the Alabama statehouse, this here’s a thread.

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I’ve known Jordan since we were little kids, he’s trying to make it in Los Angeles as a professional comedian. If he’s playing in any club near you check him out, he’s funny!

He’s pretty good. I think my favorite was the guy who won’t let his son eat vegetables.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 15, 2019 • 5:26:45pm
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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:26:58pm

re: #293 Belafon

This is really more about Omar and Tlaib than Israel.

Yeah I know and I don’t like it.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 5:27:29pm
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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 5:27:56pm
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Belafon  May 15, 2019 • 5:28:13pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 15, 2019 • 5:28:36pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

Here it is again if you did not get it.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:28:51pm

re: #299 Charles Johnson

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Yep.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 5:29:07pm

re: #294 Backwoods_Sleuth

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there was a tweet posted here earlier today about how the birthrate in the US has declined for the fourth year in a row.

This is one reason why…women are dying.

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teleskiguy  May 15, 2019 • 5:29:27pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

He’s pretty good. I think my favorite was the guy who won’t let his son eat vegetables.

This one got me going.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 5:30:16pm

re: #301 PhillyPretzel

Got it OK, but it was not in a NSFW wrapper.

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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 5:30:57pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 15, 2019 • 5:31:17pm

re: #305 Decatur Deb

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Eric The Fruit Bat  May 15, 2019 • 5:32:29pm

re: #296 Dread Pirate Union Local 13
Many corporations have a hard rule that certain key people on an air flight are not on the same flight - looks to me that was incredibly violated here. At a place where I used to work they lost so many employees on the same flight that crashed, they instituted this rule.

If Coca-Cola makes sure that the 2-3 people who know the formula are not on the same flight, then what the hell is this?

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:32:38pm

re: #304 teleskiguy

This one got me going.

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Yeah I liked that one too. I love humor like this. My brother and I will come up with elaborate stories sometimes based on just a random name and profession or department.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:33:09pm

re: #306 Charles Johnson

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They are reactionaries.

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Decatur Deb  May 15, 2019 • 5:34:23pm

re: #308 Eric The Fruit Bat

Many corporations have a hard rule that certain key people on an air flight are not on the same flight - looks to me that was incredibly violated here. At a place where I used to work they lost so many employees on the same flight that crashed, they instituted this rule.

If Coca-Cola makes sure that the 2-3 people who know the formula are not on the same flight, then what the hell is this?

Cracks me up if such companies permit carpooling to the airport for their separate flights.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 15, 2019 • 5:35:58pm
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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:36:53pm
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Patricia Kayden  May 15, 2019 • 5:37:40pm

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PhillyPretzel  May 15, 2019 • 5:37:57pm

re: #313 Chrysicat

That is exactly what they want.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:38:35pm

re: #314 Patricia Kayden

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She’d be singing a different tune if it was her unwanted pregnancy.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:39:09pm

re: #313 Chrysicat

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Yeah the 1950’s is too liberal for them.

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sagehen  May 15, 2019 • 5:42:05pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

Bibi is such a fucking scumbag. Why did Israelis have to go and re-elect this asshole?

Because 20-some years ago, he got Rabin killed.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 5:43:38pm

re: #292 Chrysicat

We’re paranoid that anything other than active pro-Netanyahu Zionism, thanks to two outspoken women who may well privately support a one-state solution that must be called Palestine, will be ‘called out’ as antiSemitism now. NVM that the only Zionist Rs are the ones who believe that every Jew is an Israeli and that a good 80% of them believe that joint Israeli/American citizenship should be forbidden.

THREAD by Eli Valley

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:44:48pm

re: #318 sagehen

Because 20-some years ago, he got Rabin killed.

I remember that. I was only 8 but I knew it was a sad day.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 15, 2019 • 5:45:07pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

He’s pretty good. I think my favorite was the guy who won’t let his son eat vegetables.

“Davewater” made me throw up in my mouth.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:46:20pm

re: #319 The Vicious Babushka

THREAD by Eli Valley

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Exactly and because Bibi and his allies won’t be hurt by Antisemitism either here or elsewhere they’re okay with looking the other way.

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Charles Johnson  May 15, 2019 • 5:46:36pm

Every time I think maybe I should relax and stop being so averse to Bernie Sanders he (or a spokesperson) goes on the record with something that pisses me off all over again and reminds me I was fucking done with him already.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:47:47pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Every time I think maybe I should relax and stop being so averse to Bernie Sanders he (or a spokesperson) goes on the record with something that pisses me off all over again and reminds me I was fucking done with him already.

Lemme guess something stupid about the abortion bills?

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Chrysicat  May 15, 2019 • 5:50:09pm

re: #323 Charles Johnson

Every time I think maybe I should relax and stop being so averse to Bernie Sanders he (or a spokesperson) goes on the record with something that pisses me off all over again and reminds me I was fucking done with him already.

Oh, Lord. Do I want you to tell me, or do I want to see his name start trending on Twitter?

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plansbandc  May 15, 2019 • 5:51:59pm

re: #300 Belafon

What is says to me is they loathe women, want to control them, and want to make them felons so they can’t vote.

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HappyWarrior  May 15, 2019 • 5:53:19pm

re: #326 plansbandc

What is says to me is they loathe women, want to control them, and want to make them felons so they can’t vote.

Women vote, minorities vote, Republicans lose. They know this.

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Teukka  May 15, 2019 • 6:50:20pm

re: #308 Eric The Fruit Bat

Many corporations have a hard rule that certain key people on an air flight are not on the same flight - looks to me that was incredibly violated here. At a place where I used to work they lost so many employees on the same flight that crashed, they instituted this rule.

If Coca-Cola makes sure that the 2-3 people who know the formula are not on the same flight, then what the hell is this?

Inviting decapitation?
[tinfoil]Freudian slips before some sort of event which revolves around such a scenario?[/tinfoil]

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danarchy  May 15, 2019 • 8:17:07pm

re: #312 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Would probably be harder if they weren’t in alphabetical order.


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