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Targetpractice  May 18, 2019 • 11:37:17am

From downstairs:

re: #148 Ace-o-aces

Worst. Civil. War. Ever.

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I should note that it’s rather intriguing that Milo is talking “cell size” and “encrypted comms” when it’s been an established tenant of wingnut belief for ages that the day when the flag went up, most if not all of the Armed Forces would join the side of the “patriots.” The idea that those “patriots” would have to operate in the fashion of terrorists, maintaining small numbers and keeping in contact through encrypted means, doesn’t really paint the picture of proud revolutionaries “taking back” their country. It paints a picture more like the Branch Dildonians out at a bird sanctuary, reduced to begging people on social media to send them food and supplies.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 18, 2019 • 11:44:35am

re: #1 Targetpractice

From downstairs:

I should note that it’s rather intriguing that Milo is talking “cell size” and “encrypted comms” when it’s been an established tenant of wingnut belief for ages that the day when the flag went up, most if not all of the Armed Forces would join the side of the “patriots.” The idea that those “patriots” would have to operate in the fashion of terrorists, maintaining small numbers and keeping in contact through encrypted means, doesn’t really paint the picture of proud revolutionaries “taking back” their country. It paints a picture more like the Branch Dildonians out at a bird sanctuary, reduced to begging people on social media to send them food and supplies.

and dildos.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 11:50:32am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:50:54am

Milo fancies himself the leader of the revolution. He’s too stupid to comprehend that radical Xtians will lynch him!

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plansbandc  May 18, 2019 • 11:51:44am

Crane get: Wiener fly powers activate…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 11:56:52am
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 12:12:12pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Yet that thug still gets a standing ovation from the radical Xtians after the brave patriots walk out…

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thecommodore  May 18, 2019 • 12:16:17pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 12:16:51pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ha! And it was in Indiana too. Awesome.

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Belafon  May 18, 2019 • 12:18:20pm

re: #7 Joe Bacon 🌹

Yet that thug still gets a standing ovation from the radical Xtians after the brave patriots walk out…

Yet he got walked out on. All of those are voters.

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Targetpractice  May 18, 2019 • 12:22:55pm

re: #8 thecommodore

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Ayep, no suggestion of using contraceptives or morning-after pills. Just “Don’t have sex.” And this is a message that’s always aimed strictly at women, as the idea that a man should keep his pants zipped is never mentioned. Why? Oh, right, because he can just walk away.

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Belafon  May 18, 2019 • 12:31:03pm

We’re sitting in a parking lot, waiting to go into the Dallas Aquarium, with rain and hail falling. I’m trying to stall so my parents can decorate our house to surprise my wife for our anniversary.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 12:36:47pm

re: #9 Eclectic Cyborg

Ha! And it was in Indiana too. Awesome.

and a Christian university, at that

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 12:41:30pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 12:41:47pm

re: #12 Belafon

We’re sitting in a parking lot, waiting to go into the Dallas Aquarium, with rain and hail falling. I’m trying to stall so my parents can decorate our house to surprise my wife for our anniversary.

That’s awesome. My wife and I are celebrating no. 11 next week. We’ll be going to one of the best rated restaurants in town and then to the movies to see Aladdin.

Fingers crossed everything goes according to plan for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 12:45:34pm

re: #15 Eclectic Cyborg

That’s awesome. My wife and I are celebrating no. 11 next week. We’ll be going to one of the best rated restaurants in town and then to the movies to see Aladdin.

Fingers crossed everything goes according to plan for you.

MrBWS and I celebrate 15 years next Friday

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 12:54:08pm
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plansbandc  May 18, 2019 • 12:55:09pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

We celebrate #12 on Monday.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 12:55:11pm

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 12:56:27pm

Ladies and Gents
Thread. This is a good one.

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Stanley Sea  May 18, 2019 • 12:57:33pm

Thank you plansbandc for the rec.

I had the best afternoon in a long time. I always liked Andy a lot.

re: #11 plansbandc

“Can’t Stand Losing You” on Prime is well worth a watch if you are a fan of The Police.

Police show (Synchronicity tour) was one of my top three favorite concerts ever.

This movie is time travel to a much much happier time. (CL’ed)

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austin_blue  May 18, 2019 • 12:58:52pm

re: #16 Backwoods_Sleuth

MrBWS and I celebrate 15 years next Friday

She Who Must Be Obeyed and I hit #25 on this coming Tuesday.

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Alephnaught  May 18, 2019 • 1:02:19pm

Was at Oban Pride today (As in Oban, Scotland, a smallish town on the West coast of Scotland.) with the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. This is the first Pride in Oban. It was a bit rainy, but it was definitely a success. Local MSP, and Scottish government minister, Mike Russell took part. We’re vaguely in the background of this photo he took- look for the pink umbrella.

Also, we’re somewhere in this video, which was shown on Scottish Television’s evening news! (Again, look for the pink umbrella.)

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2019 • 1:03:20pm

re: #6 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Did they scream “FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!” loudly on the way out?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 1:04:06pm
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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 1:05:32pm
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Interesting Times  May 18, 2019 • 1:06:47pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 1:08:43pm

re: #24 GlutenFreeJesus

Did they scream “FUCK YOU ASSHOLE!!!!!” loudly on the way out?

The Terminator - Fuck You Asshole

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 1:10:20pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

Apparently they were scheduled to be on the show before the Alabama thing broke.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 1:13:04pm

re: #25 Backwoods_Sleuth

re: #27 Interesting Times

Three people of supposed influence get on TV to support women’s reproductive freedom. Let’s make this a Bad Thing because they have the wrong junk.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 18, 2019 • 1:14:37pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Exactly my thoughts. Especially after they’re asking for men to have their backs. Well, there you go!

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Citizen K  May 18, 2019 • 1:27:21pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 1:28:10pm

Ginni Thomas, the conservative activist and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, wanted to “target” the “most questionable” precincts in Virginia with an anti-voter fraud campaign, according to an October 2016 email exchange she had with a prominent voter fraud alarmist and other conservative activists.

The emails were made public Friday in the litigation over a sensational report released by the group of the alarmist, J. Christian Adams, who also served on President Trump’s short-lived voter fraud commission.

talkingpointsmemo.com

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:29:10pm

re: #33 Joe Bacon 🌹

Ginni Thomas, the conservative activist and wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, wanted to “target” the “most questionable” precincts in Virginia with an anti-voter fraud campaign, according to an October 2016 email exchange she had with a prominent voter fraud alarmist and other conservative activists.

The emails were made public Friday in the litigation over a sensational report released by the group of the alarmist, J. Christian Adams, who also served on President Trump’s short-lived voter fraud commission.

talkingpointsmemo.com

And her hubby never refuses himself on cases she does activism for.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:29:52pm

re: #32 Citizen K

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Got called hysterical and told to stop focusing on identity politics and to respect their free peaches.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2019 • 1:30:30pm

re: #32 Citizen K

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And the fact that the reaction to it seems to be an almost universal “FUCK YEAH, FUCK IMMIGRATION, OUR WORLD FOREVER” with such precious little anything else seems to just be…yeah.

The world is full-on, unstoppably right wing at this point it seems.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:32:19pm

re: #36 Citizen K

And the fact that the reaction to it seems to be an almost universal “FUCK YEAH, FUCK IMMIGRATION, OUR WORLD FOREVER” with such precious little anything else seems to just be…yeah.

The world is full-on, unstoppably right wing at this point it seems.

It feels like the years leading up to WWII.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2019 • 1:33:45pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

It feels like the years leading up to WWII.

It just feels so goddamn hopeless.

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Targetpractice  May 18, 2019 • 1:34:17pm

re: #32 Citizen K

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Called hysterical, told that Trump wouldn’t do anything stupid because “He’ll have to run for reelection,” and just told to bear with it because “We survived Bush, we can survive Trump.”

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:35:39pm

re: #38 Citizen K

It just feels so goddamn hopeless.

I’m doing what I can locally. I canvassed part of my neighborhood today.

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Cheechako  May 18, 2019 • 1:48:48pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:50:39pm

re: #41 Cheechako

All is not well in the White House:

Acting secretary blocked Stephen Miller’s bid for another DHS shakeup

Miller is a constant. Whenever something bad happens, he’s there. Mulvaney may be Chief of Staff technically but Miller has been doing it.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 1:50:49pm

re: #41 Cheechako

All is not well in the White House:

Acting secretary blocked Stephen Miller’s bid for another DHS shakeup

I wonder how soon until McAleenan is replaced with yet another “Acting” secretary.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:51:40pm

re: #43 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder how soon until McAleenan is replaced with yet another “Acting” secretary.

We’re still looking for a permanent Defense Secretary too. No replacement for Mattis in sight.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:56:54pm

I think one of the most terrifying things about Trump’s actions in the investigation were how he basically threatened Cohen and his family on Twitter. Interestingly I was reading a book about the Mafia while all this was happening and yeah Trump acts like a Mafia Don.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 1:58:47pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

We’re still looking for a permanent Defense Secretary too. No replacement for Mattis in sight.

Actually acting Sec Def Shanahan was nominated last week. Clearly nobody else wanted the job.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 1:59:08pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Actually acting Sec Def Shanahan was nominated last week. Clearly nobody else wanted the job.

Ah. Thanks.

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Citizen K  May 18, 2019 • 2:02:01pm

So. I have friends who are watching Eurovision for…varying amounts of entertainment. And…this was apparently the Icelandic act. YMMV far as how good the song is or how…uh…much the actual group is your cup of tea. But the officially translated English lyrics are something and far more overtly political than you might expect from Eurovision.

Again, fair warning, it’s kind of over-the-top BDSM theme music video, so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:07:05pm
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Citizen K  May 18, 2019 • 2:07:52pm

Sigh…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 2:08:24pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 2:08:44pm

re: #50 Citizen K

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Sigh…

Yeah he’s doing this because he’s cool with war crimes.

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lizardofid  May 18, 2019 • 2:10:40pm

re: #37 HappyWarrior

It feels like the years leading up to WWII.

“Turning and turning in the widening gyre”

Hello everyone!

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 2:11:27pm

I’m just torn in knots thinking about how disgraceful this administration really is.

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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 2:12:04pm

I’m gonna need some light reading when I’m done with the Mueller Report.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:19:08pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 2:20:54pm

re: #56 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I’m really glad her husband is running for Senate. Wish it was her but I understand why she can’t.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 2:21:35pm

So I’m watching normal tv (something I hardly do) and a commercial comes on with Dana Loesh selling super beet juice or some shit. Eyeroll, then *click.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 2:21:40pm
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HappyWarrior  May 18, 2019 • 2:24:37pm

re: #58 Amory Blaine

So I’m watching normal tv (something I hardly do) and a commercial comes on with Dana Loesh selling super beet juice or some shit. Eyeroll, then *click.

NRA isn’t paying that well these days I see.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 2:26:04pm

First he wants to make July 4th all about him, now he wants to pardon war criminals on Memorial Day.

This is so fucked up.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 2:33:41pm

It continues for another 10 or so tweets

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:33:55pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:35:28pm

re: #48 Citizen K

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 2:39:29pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:42:39pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 2:44:41pm

re: #58 Amory Blaine

So I’m watching normal tv (something I hardly do) and a commercial comes on with Dana Loesh selling super beet juice or some shit. Eyeroll, then *click.

Did it sing “Beet It”?

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 2:47:32pm

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 2:49:10pm

re: #65 goddamnedfrank

He seems very well adjusted.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:50:52pm

oh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 2:52:29pm

re: #69 goddamnedfrank

He seems very well adjusted.

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“TRUE SOCIAL JUSTICE WARRIOR” who has a meltdown because people on twitter are mean to him

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2019 • 2:55:24pm

re: #71 Backwoods_Sleuth

Or is about to have a meltdown because someone hurt his feelings.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 2:57:35pm

re: #68 Amory Blaine

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Nerds didn’t used to smile. Especially back when they were poor.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 2:59:00pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

oh

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They’re just fucking throwing it in our faces now because they can.

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Mescalero  May 18, 2019 • 2:59:37pm

re: #70 Backwoods_Sleuth

Cúl Tóna

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 3:04:52pm

re: #74 Eclectic Cyborg

They’re just fucking throwing it in our faces now because they can.

also has the advantage (in his tiny brain) that he can keep protesters away (and there WILL be protests).

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 3:05:36pm
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lizardofid  May 18, 2019 • 3:17:15pm

Hope everyone has a nice evening!

Later!

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jeffreyw  May 18, 2019 • 3:19:55pm

I’m not aware of all yout’ speak traditions.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 18, 2019 • 3:23:53pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Three people of supposed influence get on TV to support women’s reproductive freedom. Let’s make this a Bad Thing because they have the wrong junk.

I’m glad men are sticking up for reproductive rights. But it’s a bit much having four men and no women in the discussion. There’s a fine line between being an ally and taking over.

I see that these guys were scheduled before the Alabama thing broke, so I get that it wasn’t deliberate. Still awkward IMO.

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 3:25:02pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2019 • 3:33:31pm

A very quiet meeting between the son of an ambassador and one of the many people he helped during WWII happened in Philly. Read the story:
littlegreenfootballs.com

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 3:38:32pm

re: #80 Charmingly Persistent

I’m glad men are sticking up for reproductive rights. But it’s a bit much having four men and no women in the discussion. There’s a fine line between being an ally and taking over.

I see that these guys were scheduled before the Alabama thing broke, so I get that it wasn’t deliberate. Still awkward IMO.

The Age of Awkward closed two years ago. We’re fighting for the future, or we’re not.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 3:40:15pm

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 3:41:51pm

Same message to CBP, ICE, white supremacists, biker gangs, etc.

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William Lewis  May 18, 2019 • 3:43:04pm

re: #62 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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It continues for another 10 or so tweets

He’ll be primaried out by the GOP for not putting party over country.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 3:47:53pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 3:52:08pm

re: #87 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Shit is getting real, folks.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 3:54:19pm

re: #88 Eclectic Cyborg

Shit is getting real, folks.

Nah. There’s still plenty of time for blue-on-blue bullshit.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2019 • 3:56:56pm

Putin Puppet 2020 - Make Russia Greater Still

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 3:58:44pm
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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2019 • 3:58:56pm

re: #89 Decatur Deb

You’re right. A lot of things can happen especially at the grass roots level.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:13:25pm

re: #86 William Lewis

He’ll be primaried out by the GOP for not putting party over country.

He’s not really a Republican, he just pretends to be one so he can get on the ballot.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 4:16:27pm

Eisley and I are enjoying the nice weather outside.

I call this one: “Little kitty, Big world”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:20:44pm

re: #94 Eclectic Cyborg

Eisley and I are enjoying the nice weather outside.

I call this one: “Little kitty, Big world”

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THOSE FEET!

THOSE EARS!

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 4:20:55pm
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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 4:23:01pm

Andrew Exum
U.S. deputy assistant secretary of defense for Middle East policy from 2015-2016

“…if Americans aren’t going to bother to study their military, the least they can do is abstain from projecting their vengeful fever dreams upon its professionals.

You want to honor the troops? Start with that.”

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 18, 2019 • 4:32:38pm

re: #93 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s not really a Republican, he just pretends to be one so he can get on the ballot.

Take a look at his voting record before you say that. (Hint—it’s lockstep Repug. DT may be becoming a liability to their agenda.)

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 4:35:56pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:36:04pm

re: #98 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Take a look at his voting record before you say that. (Hint—it’s lockstep Repug. DT may be becoming a liability to their agenda.)

He’s one of those Freedum/Liberty Caucus peeps. I am VERY familiar with his record. My eejit cogresscritter is one of his best buds in Congress.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 4:39:34pm
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 4:39:35pm

The Forehead sez wut?

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 4:40:42pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 4:45:32pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

I’ll vote for Joe Biden if I have to, but part of me is screaming OH GOD NO NOT ANOTHER SEPTUAGENARIAN

You called?

Voting for him grudgingly won’t get it. This is a fucking close-run thing. We have to back the nominee with absurd effort, passion, and expense. We have to smile and have a good time doing it. We have to know that this might be the best thing we ever do for the country.

He’s not my first choice.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 4:45:41pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:46:33pm

good fucking grief…he’s on a twitter tear…

and retweeting himself and others.

Pathetic

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 18, 2019 • 4:47:57pm

re: #100 Backwoods_Sleuth

He’s one of those Freedum/Liberty Caucus peeps. I am VERY familiar with his record. My eejit cogresscritter is one of his best buds in Congress.

Then why do you say he’s pretending to be a Repug? I would have said those types are the quintessence of Repugnancy.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 4:49:48pm
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Teukka  May 18, 2019 • 4:50:23pm

re: #106 Backwoods_Sleuth

good fucking grief…he’s on a twitter tear…

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and retweeting himself and others.

Pathetic

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 4:50:47pm

re: #108 goddamnedfrank

Someone didn’t finish their course of antibiotics.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 4:50:50pm

Evening Lizardim.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 4:55:19pm

I got a feeling that the military is not gong to like Trump pardoning those convicted killers.

They know that there will be grave consequences for our troops if Trump does that.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:55:45pm

re: #107 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

Then why do you say he’s pretending to be a Repug? I would have said those types are the quintessence of Repugnancy.

I’ll try this again.

They are not typical Republicans, they only pretend to be so they can get easily on the ballot.
For the most part, they are Libertarians and just like to shit-stir. If siding with trump helps that, they’ll do it. But mostly they just like being contrarian.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 4:56:09pm

Our country is full?? I’ve been through Idaho. Trust me, we’ve got plenty of space.

/

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:56:14pm

They are like Rand Paul…he’s not a “real” Republican either, and he’s their hero.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 4:56:46pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

True, both of the Dakotas as well.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 4:56:50pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll try this again.

They are not typical Republicans, they only pretend to be so they can get easily on the ballot.
For the most part, they are Libertarians and just like to shit-stir. If siding with trump helps that, they’ll do it. But mostly they just like being contrarian.

So basically they are not a Republican, they just play one on TV?

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 4:56:51pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 4:57:33pm

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

So basically they are not a Republican, they just play one on TV?

pretty much…and they didn’t even stay at a Holiday Inn Express…

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 4:57:34pm

re: #116 prairiefire

True, both of the Dakotas as well.

For that matter, most of the “Western” states are mostly empty space. The big population centers are big, true… but there is a LOT of open land west of the Mississippi.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 4:59:05pm
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  May 18, 2019 • 5:01:08pm

re: #113 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’ll try this again.

They are not typical Republicans, they only pretend to be so they can get easily on the ballot.
For the most part, they are Libertarians and just like to shit-stir. If siding with trump helps that, they’ll do it. But mostly they just like being contrarian.

So it appears we have a conflict of definition. I can’t distinguish your description from today’s typical Repug. (Maybe that comes of living in CA, where they’re even more batshit than the national standard.)

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 5:01:42pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

This is what happens when your product advisory board is entirely caucasian.

/

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 5:01:50pm

re: #120 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

For that matter, most of the “Western” states are mostly empty space. The big population centers are big, true… but there is a LOT of open land west of the Mississippi.

They’re empty space, but they’re also already nearly at carrying capacity. Simply put, that’s because the West is where the ground is, but it’s very much NOT where the water is. Denver could probably not support the population of Greater New York or Greater LA. For that matter, there’s a very strong argument to be made that Greater LA can’t support the population of Greater LA. That argument is, in part, called Owens Lake.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 5:02:43pm

re: #124 Chrysicat

They’re empty space, but they’re also already nearly at carrying capacity. Simply put, that’s because the West is where the ground is, but it’s very much NOT where the water is. Denver could probably not support the population of Greater New York or Greater LA. For that matter, there’s a very strong argument to be made that Greater LA can’t support the population of Greater LA. That argument is, in part, called Owens Lake.

This is, alas, very true. As a Midwesterner, the fresh water struggle is not very real, but I know in my head that it is a significant problem in the arid areas.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 5:06:31pm

re: #120 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

For that matter, most of the “Western” states are mostly empty space. The big population centers are big, true… but there is a LOT of open land west of the Mississippi.

My county: 7 humans, average, per square mile. Lots of wildlife, mining, drilling, federal land, state land, private land…

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 5:16:07pm

re: #126 wrenchwench

My state, wretched shame. Down the rabbit hole. Trump wanted this with every tiny inch of tiny inch. 2020 here we come.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 5:18:27pm

re: #127 prairiefire

My state, wretched shame. Down the rabbit hole. Trump wanted this with every tiny inch of tiny inch. 2020 here we come.

Never give up. Take a break, don’t quit. Go somewhere else if it helps.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 5:19:41pm

They’re ” conservatives”, no matter which party they infect or claim.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2019 • 5:19:55pm

re: #124 Chrysicat

They’re empty space, but they’re also already nearly at carrying capacity. Simply put, that’s because the West is where the ground is, but it’s very much NOT where the water is. Denver could probably not support the population of Greater New York or Greater LA. For that matter, there’s a very strong argument to be made that Greater LA can’t support the population of Greater LA. That argument is, in part, called Owens Lake.

You mean the toxic alkali dust flat formerly known as Owens Lake?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 5:25:39pm

re: #122 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

So it appears we have a conflict of definition. I can’t distinguish your description from today’s typical Repug. (Maybe that comes of living in CA, where they’re even more batshit than the national standard.)

I’m in Kentucky, where there is a distinct difference between regular Republicans and the pretend Republicans=Libertarians.
And it is indeed a distinct difference.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 5:27:43pm

This is so amazingly depressing, and adorable at the same time

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 5:28:11pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

We have such deep roots around here, it would be hard to leave. Plus, I’ve been paying into the system for a long time for a free excellent education for our kids. Me mum and I will be traveling the dementia route, I’m will admit.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 18, 2019 • 5:30:40pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

You called?

Voting for him grudgingly won’t get it. This is a fucking close-run thing. We have to back the nominee with absurd effort, passion, and expense. We have to smile and have a good time doing it. We have to know that this might be the best thing we ever do for the country.

He’s not my first choice.

In my view it’s ok, even good, to have opinions and express them before and during the primaries. This is when we find out how the potential candidates take hits and tune their messages. Both Obama and Hillary were much better candidates by the end of the 2008 primaries because of the hard-faught battle.

I was mostly ok with Bernie and even his fans, until they didn’t shape up once it was apparent he couldn’t win. If he had done what Hillary did and thrown his full support behind the nominee, no one would hae remembered or cared about their little tiffs during the primaries.

With regard to Biden in particular, his message that Democrats aren’t angry and just want to go back to the good old days before 2016 is a terrible one, and we should all point that out to him and see if he can catch a clue. If not, he shouldn’t be the nominee, because he is too naive and dishonest to be a good candidate or a good president. If he still wins the nomination, then yeah, we have to suck it up and be good foot soldiers. But now is not that time.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 18, 2019 • 5:32:15pm

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

Our country is full?? I’ve been through Idaho. Trust me, we’ve got plenty of space.

/

I just read yesterday another hysterical article about the dropping birth rates in this country. We need immigration to keep our population steady.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 5:32:49pm
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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 5:32:54pm

re: #133 prairiefire

We have such deep roots around here, it would be hard to leave. Plus, I’ve been paying into the system for a long time for a free excellent education for our kids. Me mum and I will be traveling the dementia route, I’m will admit.

Familiarity is a valuable asset. Big motivator.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 5:33:16pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 5:33:54pm

re: #138 Charles Johnson

Aww, Charles, don’t trigger the poor little snowflake.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 5:33:58pm

re: #134 Charmingly Persistent

I’m so GD angry I spit nails when I’m only doing the basics, not even talking. How can this be possible? Unattainable

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2019 • 5:35:15pm

re: #139 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

The snowflake needs to learn some more grammar.

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Charmingly Persistent  May 18, 2019 • 5:36:00pm

re: #140 prairiefire

I’m so GD angry I spit nails when I’m only doing the basics, not even talking. How can this be possible? Unattainable

That sucks. Take care of yourself, whatever that means for you.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 5:36:10pm
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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 5:38:21pm

re: #141 PhillyPretzel

The snowflake needs to learn some more grammar.

There’s also the philosophy of: Never try to teach a pig to sing. It’s a waste of time, and it annoys the pig.

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PhillyPretzel  May 18, 2019 • 5:40:40pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

True.

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steve_davis  May 18, 2019 • 5:42:05pm

all right, just discovered “Sentimental Lady” off Fleetwood Mac’s Bare Trees album. The whole damned album’s good, but this is really a good initial take on the song. The version I remember is the not-as-good but much better charting 1977 version from Welch’s solo album.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 5:42:46pm

re: #135 Charmingly Persistent

…hysterical article about the dropping birth rates…

I’m failing at coming up with a hysterectomy joke.

It was not meant to be.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 5:45:26pm

re: #130 Feline Fearless Leader

You mean the toxic alkali dust flat formerly known as Owens Lake?

The very same! Now on the bright side, if we ever got serious about desalinating San Pedro Bay or Santa Monica Bay, we could allow it to re-fill (which can’t be said for Lake Tulare).

And that’s an advantage that might allow SoCal to maintain or even increase her population levels that Colorado or Wyoming, unfortunately, just does not have (Wyoming particularly unfortunately-so, because a few blue colonies in Rawlins, Laramie, Casper and Cheyenne would be enough to give a pair of blue Senate seats without doing much at all to dilute our strength in their donor states).

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 5:45:41pm

sigh

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steve_davis  May 18, 2019 • 5:45:59pm

re: #64 Backwoods_Sleuth

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cool. I wondered what happened to the Village People.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 5:46:56pm

re: #146 steve_davis

all right, just discovered “Sentimental Lady” off Fleetwood Mac’s Bare Trees album. The whole damned album’s good, but this is really a good initial take on the song. The version I remember is the not-as-good but much better charting 1977 version from Welch’s solo album.

I take it the “all I need is you” backing vocal is Christine in that version?

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 5:48:59pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 5:50:02pm

re: #152 Charles Johnson

Just goes to show you what passes for thought inside the right-wing infobubble.

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2019 • 5:54:14pm

re: #143 Backwoods_Sleuth

I assume that video wasn’t made by the current regime. Seems very pro-civil rights and gay rights.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 5:55:02pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 5:57:23pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

We have seen the enemy, and he is a fucking moron.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 5:58:56pm

I got the gas forge up last week. I repurposed an old 1938 chemical tube furnace to a propane gas forge.

Had a fun start last nite. Buddy Bob started on a poker with twists and I forged some hooks, Nothing fancy but what blast.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 18, 2019 • 5:59:58pm

re: #148 Chrysicat

The very same! Now on the bright side, if we ever got serious about desalinating San Pedro Bay or Santa Monica Bay, we could allow it to re-fill (which can’t be said for Lake Tulare).

And that’s an advantage that might allow SoCal to maintain or even increase her population levels that Colorado or Wyoming, unfortunately, just does not have (Wyoming particularly unfortunately-so, because a few blue colonies in Rawlins, Laramie, Casper and Cheyenne would be enough to give a pair of blue Senate seats without doing much at all to dilute our strength in their donor states).

Given the fight that went on (and I think is still ongoing) to get Mono Lake back to a decent level I think Owen Lake getting more water is a bit of a pipe dream still.

And if they’d let Mono Lake dry out further and ecologically crash there would have been a lot more trouble in the area given its importance to migratory birds and California Gulls.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 6:00:18pm
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steve_davis  May 18, 2019 • 6:00:23pm

re: #132 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is so amazingly depressing, and adorable at the same time

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god, those golden retrievers! the surfing stoner dog, if ever there was one.

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William Lewis  May 18, 2019 • 6:01:33pm

re: #157 Dave In Austin

I got the gas forge up last week. I repurposed an old 1938 chemical tube furnace to a propane gas forge.

Had a fun start last nite. Buddy Bob started on a poker with twists and I forged some hooks, Nothing fancy but what blast.

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Excellent work. Let me know when you’re ready for a commission for a 1065 seax :)

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steve_davis  May 18, 2019 • 6:03:42pm

re: #151 Chrysicat

I take it the “all I need is you” backing vocal is Christine in that version?

she’s in there! And she sounds really good in that earlier Fleetwood Mac.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 6:06:37pm

re: #154 Patricia Kayden

I assume that video wasn’t made by the current regime. Seems very pro-civil rights and gay rights.

different organization

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jeffreyw  May 18, 2019 • 6:07:58pm

re: #157 Dave In Austin

That’s fuckin awesome dude. Well done. Nothing much more fun that piddling about in the garage.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 6:15:49pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2019 • 6:21:06pm

Cute break!

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stpaulbear  May 18, 2019 • 6:22:42pm

re: #146 steve_davis

all right, just discovered “Sentimental Lady” off Fleetwood Mac’s Bare Trees album. The whole damned album’s good, but this is really a good initial take on the song. The version I remember is the not-as-good but much better charting 1977 version from Welch’s solo album.

The latter version is by Bob Welsh, who was a member of Fleetwood Mac during the Bare Trees album. I think both Christine McVee and Mick Fleetwood played on the latter version.

If you like Bare Trees, pick up the Future Games album. Mystery To Me was a good album with Welsh too.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 6:27:13pm

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Some of us have to be told to eat our vegetables.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 6:28:43pm

I found these for 45 cents each at a Thrift Store yesterday. Talk about stumbling into some history. What a steal! (Tap the photo to see more detail)

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mmmirele  May 18, 2019 • 6:29:25pm

Picture of me with one of Yayoi Kusama’s iconic pumpkins at Benesse House on Naoshima Island. Today, we’re off to a small town called Hagi via Hiroshima and Yamaguchi.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 6:30:46pm

tfw you know a big interpersonal thing happened but you don’t want to say anything because you value both sides of the thing

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 6:31:00pm

I once bought a box full of old 70s van life mags. Too much fun.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2019 • 6:32:56pm

re: #157 Dave In Austin

Love gas furnaces. I am so gonna miss the ones at work. Induction is powerful, efficient and boring as a microwave. Just made this video public this minute. Shot just the other day.

Good To The Last Drop

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 6:32:59pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

tfw you know a big interpersonal thing happened but you don’t want to say anything because you value both sides of the thing

The feeling colloquially known as, “FML”

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 6:37:07pm

I could use like 40 decorative iron ballusters, please.

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 6:37:55pm

re: #172 Amory Blaine

I once bought a box full of old 70s van life mags. Too much fun.

I have a collection of lost pet posters. I don’t usually tell people, ‘cause it sounds a little nutty. I only collect ones with ones with pictures. Folk art. And I only take ones that are old, or on every single telephone pole.

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Charles Johnson  May 18, 2019 • 6:38:04pm
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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 6:38:23pm

re: #170 mmmirele

Looks like you’re having a great time. Enjoy these moments. 🙂

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Patricia Kayden  May 18, 2019 • 6:38:31pm

Disgusting!

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 6:39:14pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Poor kitties. :’(

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wrenchwench  May 18, 2019 • 6:42:22pm

re: #180 Amory Blaine

Poor kitties. :’(

Mostly dogs. A few birbs. My siblings found out, and used to send me some. A lost bike (they got it back). My mom sent me a missing person one or two.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 6:43:32pm

re: #161 William Lewis

Excellent work. Let me know when you’re ready for a commission for a 1065 seax :)

I would like to get to that place. And would love to do that work. The focus for me now is jest drawing a clean taper and understanding color and plasticity.
Fun stuff.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 6:48:09pm

re: #164 jeffreyw

Thx Jeff….. Those twists are actually pretty easy.
It’s forging the dragon’s head at the end with a 2 lb hammer and chisel @ 2000 degrees that’s a challenge.

/// (someday)

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 6:49:14pm

re: #160 steve_davis

god, those golden retrievers! the surfing stoner dog, if ever there was one.

Oy, but all that coat care! And IIRC, they have a more pronounced “standard dog scent” than Labs and Pits, too! I’ll go with the retriever the Canucks made, not the Scots, thanks! 😇

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 6:53:00pm
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 6:53:45pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

tfw you know a big interpersonal thing happened but you don’t want to say anything because you value both sides of the thing

That sucks. I had a situation a few years back where two people I had been friends with for years had a big falling out and each tried to turn me against the other. (Very) long story short: I am now friends with only one of them.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 6:54:06pm

We’ve been on the porch with a pillar candle drinking wine, watching the full moon come up in CDT. Western lizards should be seeing it about now.

spoiler: It’s not blue.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 6:55:36pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

We’ve been on the porch drinking wine, watching the full moon come up in CDT. Western lizards should be seeing it about now.

spoiler: It’s not blue.

Also spoiler: It’s not made of cheese.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 6:55:49pm

And here comes the rain in Los Angeles again…

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 6:56:12pm

re: #188 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

Also spoiler: It’s not made of cheese.

But does it hit your eye like a big pizza pie?

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 6:56:40pm

re: #190 Eclectic Cyborg

But does it hit your eye like a big pizza pie?

If I’m getting a pizza pie in the eye, something has gone terribly wrong and I am not going to space today.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 6:57:57pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

Dan, what are you casting and can I share on my BS page?

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 6:59:56pm
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 7:00:18pm

re: #175 Amory Blaine

I could use like 40 decorative iron ballusters, please.

I don’t have those mad skills at this point but I know some guys who do.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 7:02:30pm

Second-grader grandson has been out of AL, in Denver schools for 4 months. Today’s mail had his hand-drawn poster to save the whales and boycott sea mammal shows. So there’s that.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 7:03:39pm
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jeffreyw  May 18, 2019 • 7:04:22pm

re: #183 Dave In Austin

Thx Jeff….. Those twists are actually pretty easy.
It’s forging the dragon’s head at the end with a 2 lb hammer and chisel @ 2000 degrees that’s a challenge.

/// (someday)

Naw, I wasn’t praising the art, I like how you cobbled the thing together.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 7:06:56pm

A bunch of dead veterans to Trump: “You are exactly like the assholes we fought against. Fuck you!”

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 7:07:18pm

re: #197 jeffreyw

Naw, I wasn’t praising the art, I like how you cobbled the thing together.

Thx, Sometimes I surprise myself.
And I need another anvil…

Ya’ll keep yer eye’s out please.

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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 7:08:18pm

re: #197 jeffreyw

Naw, I wasn’t praising the art, I like how you cobbled the thing together.

In my secondary line of work, we call that a “sketch rig” or a “janky rig”. MacGyvering something together successfully - without burning down the whole building, blowing multiple circuit breakers, or causing at least one serious injury - is a mark of pride among my people.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 7:08:28pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 18, 2019 • 7:13:21pm
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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 7:14:09pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 7:18:43pm

re: #203 jaunte

For those who know the talk, that is the baddest burn there ever was.

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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 7:19:07pm
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Quoth the raven, Covfefe.  May 18, 2019 • 7:21:05pm

re: #200 Quoth the raven, Covfefe.

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William Lewis  May 18, 2019 • 7:23:33pm

re: #203 jaunte

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That’s a deep space cold burn.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 7:23:34pm

re: #134 Charmingly Persistent

In my view it’s ok, even good, to have opinions and express them before and during the primaries. This is when we find out how the potential candidates take hits and tune their messages. Both Obama and Hillary were much better candidates by the end of the 2008 primaries because of the hard-faught battle.

I was mostly ok with Bernie and even his fans, until they didn’t shape up once it was apparent he couldn’t win. If he had done what Hillary did and thrown his full support behind the nominee, no one would hae remembered or cared about their little tiffs during the primaries.

With regard to Biden in particular, his message that Democrats aren’t angry and just want to go back to the good old days before 2016 is a terrible one, and we should all point that out to him and see if he can catch a clue. If not, he shouldn’t be the nominee, because he is too naive and dishonest to be a good candidate or a good president. If he still wins the nomination, then yeah, we have to suck it up and be good foot soldiers. But now is not that time.

Like I said: Not my first choice, and I won’t push the one (team) that is. Not going to paint myself into an oppositional corner that keeps me from making a banzai charge for the eventual nominee.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 7:25:54pm
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Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire  May 18, 2019 • 7:27:01pm

My new birth certificate came today. I can now apply for a new S.S. card and a State I.D. card.

Doing the snoopy dance.

“image to large * to upload.

Snicker. You all have seen it before. The Snoopy dance that is.

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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 7:28:46pm

re: #210 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

My new birth certificate came today. I can now apply for a new S.S. card and a State I.D. card.

Doing the snoopy dance.

“image to large * to upload.

Snicker. You all have seen it before. The Snoopy dance that is.

Happy birthday.

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calochortus  May 18, 2019 • 7:30:11pm

re: #210 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

My new birth certificate came today. I can now apply for a new S.S. card and a State I.D. card.

Doing the snoopy dance.

“image to large * to upload.

Snicker. You all have seen it before. The Snoopy dance that is.

Gives a whole new meaning to born again.

Congratulations.

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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 7:42:56pm
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Amory Blaine  May 18, 2019 • 7:44:51pm

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 7:44:51pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 18, 2019 • 7:46:00pm

re: #179 Patricia Kayden

Disgusting!

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Ok, folks, if you don’t believe anything else I have said about Vietnam, believe this: Atrocities happen because higher authority gives at least tacit permission for them. In Vietnam this was usually the battallion commander, the highest ranking officer who routinely had contact with the troops. If the CO tolerated head chopping, heads would be chopped. If he tolerated the infamous ear necklaces, necklaces would be strung. If he didn’t put up with it, it rarely if ever happened. Most soldiers would not commit these crimes under any circumstances, but some would and barbarous conduct would spread like a disease when it was tolerated. Now we see that permission is coming, not from the local CO, but from the Commander-in-Chief. This is already ugly and it is going to get very much worse.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 7:50:51pm

re: #216 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

As I pointed out above this action by The Shithead In The Oval Office is going to alienate our allies even more than they are now PLUS it will embolden adversaries to unleash absolute brutality on our armed forces.

I have no doubt that Trump is doing this on the orders from Putin which were relayed by that traitor Pompeo.

And I’ve got a bad bad feeling that the military isn’t going to go along with this. I’m beginning to fear that they will attempt a coup to take out Trump and Pence.

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 8:14:43pm
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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 8:19:27pm

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 8:19:36pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2019 • 8:23:42pm

My congresscritter.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 8:27:25pm
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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 8:28:25pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

One more asshole riding the category error train.

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jaunte  May 18, 2019 • 8:29:22pm

Government denial of healthcare is not healthcare.

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allegro  May 18, 2019 • 8:30:02pm

Not sure of the details but looks like one of the Preakness horses decided to run the race solo. LOL

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allegro  May 18, 2019 • 8:31:33pm
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 8:31:57pm

I’m Appalled!! How horrifying!

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allegro  May 18, 2019 • 8:33:29pm

Poor horse was embarrassed having the hamburgler on his back. Who dressed that guy?

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allegro  May 18, 2019 • 8:38:19pm

I’m dying. Bodexpress is everything.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 8:38:41pm
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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 8:41:25pm

re: #222 teleskiguy

My congresscritter.

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Thanks for getting us in on the ground floor. That thing is gonna get ratio’d TO DEATH.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 8:48:29pm
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teleskiguy  May 18, 2019 • 8:50:09pm
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Dave In Austin  May 18, 2019 • 8:52:22pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 18, 2019 • 8:59:12pm
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Decatur Deb  May 18, 2019 • 9:01:45pm

Alabama was almost off the screen for a couple hours:

1 dead, 8 shot at high school graduation party in Alabama
abcnews.go.com

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 18, 2019 • 9:02:48pm

Brexit Party overtakes Tories in poll on general election voting intentions

Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party has pushed the Tories into third place in voting intentions for a general election, according to a new opinion poll.

Theresa May, and especially her predecessor, totally misunderstood the rise of ethno-nationalism and new-fascism, and thought their Tory party could walk the line between modernity and atavism.

They thought wrong.

And while the Labour party is still the most popular, it’s leader is so distanced from reality that they too could fumble the ball.

So what may happen in the UK is what happened here with Trump - a minority of atavists take the reigns due to aged myopia of old-time mainline party leaders.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 18, 2019 • 9:13:51pm

Hi folks just dropping in to link a blog post. A series of stills, a few of which I posted here first. Closing Out Paradise
ballardlightcapture.blogspot.com

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 9:18:42pm

re: #236 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Because of course:

Trump ‘wants Farage to join State banquet’ hosted by the Queen at Buckingham Palace when the US President visit the UK next month

Oh yeah, I’m sure the Queen will TOTALLY go for that.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 18, 2019 • 9:24:03pm

re: #240 Eclectic Cyborg

I don’t know if the Queen will balk or not. She’s been all her life in a position where the US has been the most important country with whom the UK has relations, the “special relationship.”

OTOH, her children and certainly grandchildren are not part of the Trumpy crowd.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 9:26:44pm

Explains the caving on steel and aluminum tariffs from Canada and Mexico.

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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 9:29:07pm
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goddamnedfrank  May 18, 2019 • 9:34:40pm
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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 9:35:50pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 18, 2019 • 9:48:28pm

Europe is going to tell the US to fuck off soon.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 18, 2019 • 10:04:44pm

Bulgaria balks at being charged $150 million per F-16.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 18, 2019 • 10:23:57pm
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mmmirele  May 18, 2019 • 10:34:20pm

re: #248 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

What sort of crazy shit is this? Also, has anyone mentioned the results of the Aussie election? The Aussies on this tour are terribly disappointed that Morrison’s party won. OTOH, Fraser Anning lost his seat.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 10:39:08pm

re: #173 Rightwingconspirator

Loved my old basement octopus, some asbestos, but super generated heat.

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prairiefire  May 18, 2019 • 10:40:52pm

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 18, 2019 • 10:43:33pm

re: #246 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Europe is going to tell the US to fuck off soon.

Which is exactly what Vlad wants.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 10:48:22pm

re: #249 mmmirele

What sort of crazy shit is this? Also, has anyone mentioned the results of the Aussie election? The Aussies on this tour are terribly disappointed that Morrison’s party won. OTOH, Fraser Anning lost his seat.

Maybe not on this thread. In the previous one, I linked a tweet when the election was hours old, and asked them if this meant they’d be re-legalising guns, even.

And even then I should also have brought up the White Australia Policy, which pretty much is going to be officially brought back for sure (UNofficially, it’s been back for over two decades, as most of Aussie Twitter was angrily pointing out).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 10:56:35pm

So I read through the comment thread before logging on and see Trump wants to pardon fookin’ war criminals on Memorial Day.

The man is intentionally undermining every shared event or idea about American patriotism.

That is a slap in the face of every active duty, reservist, and veteran living and dead who would never think to commit a war crime. That will not only undermine respect for Memorial Day, it will also undermine respect for the military in general. (I don’t mean military worship from wingnuts, I mean the idea that the military is a law abiding organisation.)

I have one combat medal. I didn’t have to engage in any war crimes.

In the veterans fora that I follow, there is outrage across the spectrum of political support over this.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 10:56:59pm

You know, you would think that tweet would have encompassed the worst thing about the whole story.

You’d be wrong.

“… The offensive image, which appeared in Sunday’s edition, was accompanied by the headline, “Gone Before Her Time: Virtual Aging Technology Shows Us What Anne Frank Would Have Looked Like if She Hadn’t Died.” Text below it read, “Add this to your list of reasons the Holocaust sucked.” …”

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 11:04:30pm

re: #255 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

You know, you would think that tweet would have encompassed the worst thing about the whole story.

You’d be wrong.

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OFFS. One of the comments to that below, hidden because WOW, antisemitism in its image.

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SERIOUSLY?!?
I reported this guy, which I’d have thought twice about if he’d just shown Israel influencing the US (though when I started watching, I thought it was going to REFUTE the antisemitic Bill Maher clip, not build on it). But when he found basically an on-film version of “Le Happy Merchant”? No, sorry, you go from Twitter now.

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Mattand  May 18, 2019 • 11:07:09pm

Jesus Effing Christ, do I hate; HATE, air travel.

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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 11:13:20pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 18, 2019 • 11:13:36pm

re: #256 Chrysicat

OFFS. One of the comments to that below, hidden because WOW, antisemitism in its image.

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SERIOUSLY?!?
I reported this guy, which I’d have thought twice about if he’d just shown Israel influencing the US (though when I started watching, I thought it was going to REFUTE the antisemitic Bill Maher clip, not build on it). But when he found basically an on-film version of “Le Happy Merchant”? No, sorry, you go from Twitter now.

Yeah, ummm, I doubt twitter even cares. After all, that doesn’t appear to even come close to his worst tweet this week

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:22:07pm

re: #210 Michele: Out of the closet, Into the fire

My new birth certificate came today. I can now apply for a new S.S. card and a State I.D. card.

Doing the snoopy dance.

“image to large * to upload.

Snicker. You all have seen it before. The Snoopy dance that is.

Happy birthday!

Happy Birthday!
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Chrysicat  May 18, 2019 • 11:22:25pm

re: #259 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Yeah, ummm, I doubt twitter even cares. After all, that doesn’t appear to even come close to his worst tweet this week

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Oh, yikes. Where’s his Groyper icon then?

In other, slightly more pleasant thoughts, I started searching “rep tipton” to see how quickly he was crashing and burning (not enough, yet). In the process I discovered this unhinged Coloradan who somehow hadn’t been confronted yet.

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Mattand  May 18, 2019 • 11:24:54pm

Fuck American Airlines. I will never willingly do business them again.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:28:13pm

re: #261 Chrysicat

Yeah that whole thing about double-blind testing of vaccines.

That involves giving some a vaccine, not giving it to others, then exposing them to the disease the vaccine is intended to prevent.

That is wildly unethical.

This libertarian nonsense just gets added to the pile of “my choice.” They can pack sand, that’s not how medical ethics work.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:30:20pm

re: #262 Mattand

Fuck American Airlines. I will never willingly do business them again.

What happened?

USA airline “customer disservice” is why we drove to Regina and flew on Air Canada for our trip to Germany and Poland.

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danarchy  May 18, 2019 • 11:44:53pm

re: #261 Chrysicat

Oh, yikes. Where’s his Groyper icon then?

In other, slightly more pleasant thoughts, I started searching “rep tipton” to see how quickly he was crashing and burning (not enough, yet). In the process I discovered this unhinged Coloradan who somehow hadn’t been confronted yet.

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So I looked at that dudes linkedin account. He has a communications degree and has spent pretty much all of his career since school working on political campaigns or working PR. What the fuck actually qualifies him to talk to anybody about the “dangers” of vaccines? It amazes me how high an opinion of themselves some people have.

Edit: Oh and Pharmacutical companies aren’t getting rich off vaccines. Vaccines are about as low profit as it gets in the pharmaceutical industry, that’s one of the reasons there are so few providers of things like the flu vaccine. There is just no real money there.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:47:34pm

re: #265 danarchy

So I looked at that dudes linkedin account. He has a communications degree and has spent pretty much all of his career since school working on political campaigns or working PR. What the fuck actually qualifies him to talk to anybody about the “dangers” of vaccines? It amazes me how high an opinion of themselves some people have.

The weakening of public education by conservatives ever since Brown v Board of Education.

It’s a feature, not a bug, to claim experts in any field are really some big conspiracy to “take your rights.”

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:49:54pm

re: #265 danarchy

So far that guy has more “likes” than retweets. I’m not sure how that affects the so-called ratio.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 18, 2019 • 11:54:18pm

The Christians Making Atheists (John Pavlovitz)

Growing-up in the Church, I was taught that the worst thing one could be was a non-believer; that nothing was as tragic as a doomed soul that condemned itself by rejecting God. The religion of my childhood drew a sharp, clear line between the saved and the damned. All that mattered was making sure someone found themselves on the better side of this line—and the Atheists and Humanists didn’t have a shot.

In light of this supposed truth, the heart of the faith (I was told), was to live in a way that reflected the character and love of Jesus so vividly, so beautifully, that others were compelled to follow after him; that a Christian’s living testimony might be the catalyst for someone’s conversion. The Bible called it “making disciples” and it was the heart of our tradition. As the venerable hymn declared, we Jesus people were to be known by our love.

What a difference a couple of decades make.

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Mattand  May 19, 2019 • 12:23:18am

re: #264 Anymouse 🌹

What happened?

USA airline “customer disservice” is why we drove to Regina and flew on Air Canada for our trip to Germany and Poland.

Well, now that I’ve calmed down a bit, all flights out of Vegas have been grounded due to weather. Not AA’s fault, but I was on a bit of a short fuse because they lost our luggage on the way out to Salt Lake City.

We may be stuck in Vegas for two days as of right now.

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prairiefire  May 19, 2019 • 12:27:24am

re: #269 Mattand

Cheeze, the line of storms is very strong. I met the man behind the curtain when I missed my connection due to customs. He had all the plans plus three keyboards.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 12:34:50am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 12:36:48am

re: #269 Mattand

Well, now that I’ve calmed down a bit, all flights out of Vegas have been grounded due to weather. Not AA’s fault, but I was on a bit of a short fuse because they lost our luggage on the way out to Salt Lake City.

We may be stuck in Vegas for two days as of right now.

I’m sorry to hear you’re stuck. I guess that’s an opportunity to gamble away all your money in the slot machines in the airport. /s

Thinking about that Pavlovitz piece above, what he’s really doing is saying that the actions of some douchecanoe Christians are what’s really driving people to atheism and away from churches. That’s a pretty shallow take on why a person becomes an atheist, and he’s trying to use us to shame his fellow believers (if you only followed the words of Christ, this wouldn’t be happening). Evangelicals can also justify their positions with the Bible.

There are plenty of douchecanoe atheists as well (for example, Sam Harris). No one makes the argument “Wow, Sam Harris is a real douchecanoe, therefore I’m going to become a Christian because all atheists are like him.”

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 12:42:50am

re: #271 Teukka

Yeah, that could get interesting.

From what I can gather, the “Jim” whose house they entered is the owner/admin of 8Chan.

Wonder what they were up to? Were they making a documentary about 8Chan or something?

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 12:53:15am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that could get interesting.

From what I can gather, the “Jim” whose house they entered is the owner/admin of 8Chan.

Wonder what they were up to? Were they making a documentary about 8Chan or something?

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 12:53:24am

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, that could get interesting.

From what I can gather, the “Jim” whose house they entered is the owner/admin of 8Chan.

Wonder what they were up to? Were they making a documentary about 8Chan or something?

JJ McNabb links the original official 8ch tweet (yes, 8Chan has a blue checkmark from Twitter, because Twitter’s libertarians love racists and Nazis).

I made the mistake of clicking on the original tweet. Holy crap there is a bunch of derp from conservatives responding to 8ch about that. 8Chan in that thread are threatening HBO and Vice if they use footage that was not authorised (that’s not how things work).

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 12:58:01am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

JJ McNabb links the original official 8ch tweet (yes, 8Chan has a blue checkmark from Twitter, because Twitter’s libertarians love racists and Nazis).

I made the mistake of clicking on the original tweet. Holy crap there is a bunch of derp from conservatives responding to 8ch about that. 8Chan in that thread are threatening HBO and Vice if they use footage that was not authorised (that’s not how things work).

8Channers are pretty much that last people on the planet you could expect to know how things work.

That being said, I wonder if the journalists found something - something very bad. 8Chan is a notorious haven for pedophiles and assorted scum.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 12:58:10am

The only good thing the GOP Tax Cut for Oligarchs did: It accidentally extended the tax credit for installing solar panels through 2022.

news.energysage.com

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 12:58:14am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

JJ McNabb links the original official 8ch tweet (yes, 8Chan has a blue checkmark from Twitter, because Twitter’s libertarians love racists and Nazis).

I made the mistake of clicking on the original tweet. Holy crap there is a bunch of derp from conservatives responding to 8ch about that. 8Chan in that thread are threatening HBO and Vice if they use footage that was not authorised (that’s not how things work).

Even louder ticking of “did they find something scoopy?” in the back of my head.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 12:59:00am

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

8Channers are pretty much that last people on the planet you could expect to know how things work.

That being said, I wonder if the journalists found something - something very bad. 8Chan is a notorious haven for pedophiles and assorted scum.

*cough* /pol/ *cough* of recent infamy.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 12:59:18am

re: #278 Teukka

Even louder ticking of “did they find something scoopy?” in the back of my head.

I’m wondering too. They seem to have taken one hell of a risk, and I doubt they’d do that for absolutely nothing.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 12:59:44am

re: #279 Teukka

*cough* /pol/ *cough* of recent infamy.

Of course - that falls under the “assorted scum” label.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 1:01:16am

re: #281 Dr Lizardo

Of course - that falls under the “assorted scum” label.

Well, /pol/ falls under “keep in lead pig in a locked cupboard behind a door with 2FA” label in this lizardims lair…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 1:02:58am

Alms For The Roger Stone? Alms For The Roger Stone? (goes to Wonkette)

Roger Stone, his wife would like you to know, is broke. And he is not dealing with it well. Once in khaki suits, gee, he looked swell, full of that yankee-doodle-dee-dum, but now no one calls him Al anymore and he has to stand on a street corner singing “Brother Can You Spare A Dime?”

Yesterday, the conservative but also kind of Never Trumper site The Bulwark revealed the details of a grifty “fundraising” plea sent out by Stone’s wife Nydia, begging supporters to give money to the Stones in order to help them keep up the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 1:05:00am

re: #283 Anymouse 🌹

Well, that’s odd. I linked a Wonkette article “Alms for the Roger Stone?” and it was instantly deleted upon posting.

Why’d that happen?

Roger Stone would like you to know he’s broke, and his wife is trying to raise money for him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 19, 2019 • 1:06:33am

re: #284 Anymouse 🌹

If a link has a number with a dash, the hamsters will eat part of it thinking it’s a telephone number.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 1:07:51am

re: #285 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

If a link has a number with a dash, the hamsters will eat part of it thinking it’s a telephone number.

I figured it out. I constructed the link badly (I left out a quotation mark). That’s fixed now, and recycling the post at #283 will restore the post.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 1:14:29am

Wow, I’m having trouble figuring out if this is a real charter bus company or a Poe.

streamlinerlines.com

Everything from a stylisied Nazi flag for a logo to a claim they will not book “SJWs” on their bus service.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 1:23:49am

So, I found a nice chilling quote from HBO’s “Chernobyl” podcast.

It’s the cost of lies.
When people choose to lie,
and when everyone engages in a very passive conspiracy to promote the lie,
we can get away with it for a very long time.
But the truth just doesn’t care.
And it will get you.
— Craig Mazin

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Chrysicat  May 19, 2019 • 1:26:48am

re: #287 Anymouse 🌹

Wow, I’m having trouble figuring out if this is a real charter bus company or a Poe.

streamlinerlines.com

Everything from a stylisied Nazi flag for a logo to a claim they will not book “SJWs” on their bus service.

I’m very worried that it’s real, but anyone driving US 95 will know for sure in another couple months. And yeah, it’s a modification on the Reichskriegsflagge, which admittedly pre-dates the Nazis but died with them and thus is likely inextricably linked now.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 1:40:39am

re: #288 Teukka

A good example of what Alexei Yurchak termed “hypernormalization”. Basically, by the late 1970s it was pretty obvious to everyone living in the USSR that their society was essentially falling apart; however, because no one could imagine any alternative to the status quo, a complete failure of the imagination (to put it mildly), everyone decided to put on a happy face and pretend that everything was completely normal - this lie became a self-fulfilling prophecy and in the end, the delusion became their reality. Or at least, until the lie completely fell apart.

Yurchak discussed this in his 2006 book, “Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation”.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 19, 2019 • 1:43:40am
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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 1:45:18am

re: #290 Dr Lizardo

A good example of what Alexei Yurchak termed “hypernormalization”. Basically, it was pretty obvious to everyone living in the USSR that their society was essentially falling apart; however, because no one could imagine any alternative to the status quo, a complete failure of the imagination (to put it mildly), everyone decided to put on a happy face and pretend that everything was completely normal - this lie became a self-fulfilling prophecy and in the end, the delusion became their reality. Or at least, until the lie completely fell apart.

Yurchak discussed this in his 2006 book, “Everything Was Forever, Until It Was No More: The Last Soviet Generation”.

Them Soviets are not the only ones to have experienced that sort of a brutal reality check. That always happens with lies, the reality check when truth goes “NO. U.” on the liars - and their marks - eventually.

And the aftermath of those reality checks are not fun either.

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Barefoot Grin  May 19, 2019 • 1:46:19am

re: #170 mmmirele

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Picture of me with one of Yayoi Kusama’s iconic pumpkins at Benesse House on Naoshima Island. Today, we’re off to a small town called Hagi via Hiroshima and Yamaguchi.

Hagi is famously the hometown of Yoshida Shoin—teacher of many who lead the Meiji Restoration. He was executed for planning the assassination of a Tokugawa official. I’m a fan.

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Chrysicat  May 19, 2019 • 1:48:21am
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Barefoot Grin  May 19, 2019 • 1:50:36am

I’m in Tokyo with students. Today was a free day, so I went to Ikebukuro to get some gifts for family at Tokyu Hands. I found a pair of rain boots that my wife wants, but they only had the display model in her size (actually, a centimeter too big). I got back to the station and in the relative quiet heard a persistent beeping sound. The clerk had forgotten to remove the anti-theft device. So I had to haul back through the throngs to the store to get it removed. I’m now chilling in a park near Sensoji where a massive three-day festival is just ending (we’re staying nearby). Lots of guys with buzz cuts and full-body tattoos (if you know what I mean).

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 1:51:36am
“The unborn” are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It’s almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.

Facebook Post
(Dave Barnhart at Facebook)

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 1:51:49am

re: #292 Teukka

Them Soviets are not the only ones to have experienced that sort of a brutal reality check. That always happens with lies, the reality check when truth goes “NO. U.” on the liars - and their marks - eventually.

And the aftermath of those reality checks are not fun either.

Trump’s supporters will - eventually - get that brutal reality check. And like you said, the aftermath of that isn’t going to be fun or pretty.

And hopefully, the Christian fundie wackos will get that reality check one day, though on that count, fundies in general (regardless of religion) are themselves fairly immune to reality…..so that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.

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Chrysicat  May 19, 2019 • 1:52:03am

re: #292 Teukka

Them Soviets are not the only ones to have experienced that sort of a brutal reality check. That always happens with lies, the reality check when truth goes “NO. U.” on the liars - and their marks - eventually.

And the aftermath of those reality checks is not fun either.

We’re about 10% of the way through just that, aren’t we?

If society falls, I hope it does so after I’m gone, because I literally can’t live without modern drugs. So a post-collapse death would be painful, though likely not too lingering.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 19, 2019 • 1:52:23am
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 19, 2019 • 1:59:13am

I’m beginning to think the San Francisco Bay Area has had more rain than they’ve had in over thirty years. My gauge is at 25.65 inches, and we have rain through tomorrow. The rain season ends June 31.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 2:02:38am

re: #297 Dr Lizardo

Trump’s supporters will - eventually - get that brutal reality check. And like you said, the aftermath of that isn’t going to be fun or pretty.

And hopefully, the Christian fundie wackos will get that reality check one day, though on that count, fundies in general (regardless of religion) are themselves fairly immune to reality…..so that’s probably not going to happen anytime soon.

re: #298 Chrysicat

We’re about 10% of the way through just that, aren’t we?

If society falls, I hope it does so after I’m gone, because I literally can’t live without modern drugs. So a post-collapse death would be painful, though likely not too lingering.

I don’t sit with the time table for it in my hand, but my favorite guess is between Friday, 22 May 2020 and Wednesday, 16 September 2020.
What I do fear and plan for is that there is going to be collateral damage apart from the shock to the Trumpers and assorted fundies.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 2:03:27am

That quid pro quo scandal that was brewing in Austria which I posted about a couple of days back has now blown up into the collapse of the government.

Turns out Russian collusion isn’t a “witch hunt hoax” after all. At least not in Austria.

The country’s government collapsed on Saturday after Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said he was pulling the plug on his ruling coalition after just 17 months in office.

The move came barely 24 hours after the release of a bombshell video showing Heinz-Christian Strache, the far-right leader of his junior coalition partner, trying to trade public contracts for party donations from a woman he believed to be the wealthy niece of a Russian oligarch.

“Enough is enough,” Kurz said in a brief statement to the press from his baroque office in Vienna, describing the many challenges he faced in recent months in dealing with Strache’s Freedom Party, which despite its alignment with the chancellor’s center-right People’s Party on policy issues remained a lightning rod for criticism with its racist comments and other controversies.

The government crisis was a blow to the youthful chancellor who sees himself as the future of European conservatism and whose international stardom won him a private dinner with Donald Trump’s daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner in February.

politico.eu

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Patricia Kayden  May 19, 2019 • 2:07:30am

re: #236 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Because of course:

Trump ‘wants Farage to join State banquet’ hosted by the Queen at Buckingham Palace when the US President visit the UK next month

The Queen shouldn’t be hosting Trump in the first place so I don’t care about who he wants to join him. I don’t understand why she is hosting a bigot and dangerously unhinged bully like Trump. This is only going to boost his already over inflated ego.

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Patricia Kayden  May 19, 2019 • 2:17:43am

re: #302 Dr Lizardo

I don’t see how that is much different than Donny Jr and Kushner meeting with Russian operatives to get dirt on Hillary Clinton to benefit Trump. It’s scary how Rightwingers have linked up with Putin in so many countries.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 2:18:53am

re: #300 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

I’m beginning to think the San Francisco Bay Area has had more rain than they’ve had in over thirty years. My gauge is at 25.65 inches, and we have rain through tomorrow. The rain season ends June 31.

June 31? Do we have a new calendar? /s

I’m going to log out. Long drive tomorrow for Massachusetts; it will be a long thought driving through Ontario whether I should just stop and claim political asylum as an opposition politician.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 19, 2019 • 2:24:01am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

The rainy season in California is from the fall through winter to spring, summers are dry so we measure our rain season from July 1 to June 31.

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Barefoot Grin  May 19, 2019 • 2:25:23am

re: #305 Anymouse 🌹

June 31? Do we have a new calendar? /s

I’m going to log out. Long drive tomorrow for Massachusetts; it will be a long thought driving through Ontario whether I should just stop and claim political asylum as an opposition politician.

My wife’s birthday is June 30. I once told someone it was June 31. She’s never let me forget it.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 2:26:00am

re: #304 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see how that is much different than Donny Jr and Kushner meeting with Russian operatives to get dirt on Hillary Clinton to benefit Trump. It’s scary how Rightwingers have linked up with Putin in so many countries.

Yeah, and not only do you have to worry about the right-wingers getting into power, you also have to remember that given uncle Vova’s history and former job, it is not altogether unfeasible that the right-wingers are just an asset for him and his Kremlin Crew, and may get conveniently stabbed in the back when they have outlived their usefulness, being replaced with something worse.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 19, 2019 • 2:29:52am

re: #307 Barefoot Grin

My wife’s birthday is June 30. I once told someone it was June 31. She’s never let me forget it.

Hah, I just caught that. I had seen the SNL skit tonight with what is wrong with this picture? The calendar had June 31 on it and the contestants couldn’t figure it out. I blame subliminal image!

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ericblair  May 19, 2019 • 2:30:23am

re: #304 Patricia Kayden

I don’t see how that is much different than Donny Jr and Kushner meeting with Russian operatives to get dirt on Hillary Clinton to benefit Trump. It’s scary how Rightwingers have linked up with Putin in so many countries.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 2:34:52am

Looks like some heavy weather is coming to Central Europe, but Czech Republic will probably miss the worst of it.

Courtesy of Google Translate:

Through Central Europe, the pressure is moving very slowly to the northwest. Meteorologists expect more than 150 millimeters of rainfall to fall on the Alpine winds during Monday and Tuesday. The Czech Republic should avoid extreme rainfall.

“The rainfall zone is very close to our borders, but according to current forecasting materials, it seems that we will ‘get the worst’ out,” said Jan Šrámek, a meteorologist of the Czech Hydrometeorological Institute.

“Extreme rainfall” meteorologists expect in the southern half of Germany, especially on the winds of the Alps.

The most abundant rainfall is expected in the Czech Republic in the second half of Monday and Tuesday in the Bohemian Forest.

In Czech: novinky.cz

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teleskiguy  May 19, 2019 • 2:41:16am
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 19, 2019 • 2:45:47am

Driver training facilities and quarries? That sounds almost but not quite entirely unlike sinister.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 4:53:23am

Swiss voters have approved stricter firearms legislation, bringing them more in line with the rest of the EU.

Swiss voters agreed on Sunday to adopt tighter gun controls in line with changes to European Union rules, heading off a clash with Brussels, projections for Swiss broadcaster SRF showed.

The projections from the gfs.bern polling outfit saw the measure passing in the binding referendum by a comfortable 67-33% margin.

The restrictions, which apply to non-EU member Switzerland because it is part of Europe’s Schengen open-border system, had raised hackles among shooting enthusiasts ahead of the vote under the Swiss system of direct democracy.

Failure to adopt the rules could have forced Switzerland to leave the passport-free Schengen zone and the Dublin joint system for handling asylum requests.

reuters.com

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 19, 2019 • 5:01:30am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 5:11:54am

re: #315 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

These people probably think Jesus is talking to them through their bowl of Alpha-Bits cereal.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 5:15:57am

re: #311 Dr Lizardo

Looks like some heavy weather is coming to Central Europe, but Czech Republic will probably miss the worst of it.

Courtesy of Google Translate:

In Czech: novinky.cz

Our happy Rhine Valley south of Koblenz is being spared the worst of it while Dortmund and Düsseldorf are getting drenched

wetteronline.de

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jeffreyw  May 19, 2019 • 5:16:41am

Good morning!

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 5:41:20am
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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 5:48:01am

Programming Note for Mr. Johnson:

Firefox and Microsoft Edge both report your security certificate has expired.

Firefox will not allow you to go around that. It blocks you with no recourse.

Edge will let you in after you navigate through a bunch of warning screens.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 5:49:05am

re: #319 Teukka

I cannot get over the “rapists’ rights” arguments.

They are just another cynical attempt to try to deny any and all exemptions to abortions.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 5:49:37am

Good morning from Mythical Time Zone. Coffee’s on and I’ll soon be getting out of here for the road trip to Liberaland.

Making Brazilian Scammers Great Again

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 5:51:21am

re: #322 Anymouse 🌹

New York Daily News reports that the Trump admin. has given over $62M in taxpayer money, meant for American farmers, to a meatpacking company

We have they mythological notion that agricultural subsidies are there to help family farms stay afloat…

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Eventual Carrion  May 19, 2019 • 5:53:33am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have they mythological notion that agricultural subsidies are there to help family farms stay afloat…

Know them by their actions, not their words.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 5:53:53am

re: #321 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I cannot get over the “rapists’ rights” arguments.

They are just another cynical attempt to try to deny any and all exemptions to abortions.

That is why I don’t like the arguments “what about rape and incest?” It puts a divide between “this” kind of abortion and “that” kind of abortion.

It seems to me the correct response is “keep your government out of women’s parts you perverts.”

Although I think calling so-called pro-lifers “pro-perverts” is a good way to turn their arguments on their heads.

It doesn’t matter what exception (rape) you come up with for legal safe abortion, they will argue against it (even with horrible rapist rights arguments).

I prefer thinking of them as pro-perverts. It doesn’t matter why a woman wants a safe abortion.

Kind of like the folks against LGBT think more about Teh Geyh Sex than gays do.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 5:59:01am

re: #323 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We have they mythological notion that agricultural subsidies are there to help family farms stay afloat…

We’re seeing some of that here, particularly with irrigation systems and tracking cattle.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 6:01:15am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹

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We’re seeing some of that here, particularly with irrigation systems and tracking cattle.

mamas, don’t let your androids grow up to be cowboys…

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:06:05am

re: #126 wrenchwench

My county: 7 humans, average, per square mile. Lots of wildlife, mining, drilling, federal land, state land, private land…

Our county density is 3.4 per square mile.

The overwhelming majority of the population is crammed into the two incorporated cities and one incorporated village.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:08:20am

re: #328 Anymouse 🌹

My town sounds a lot bigger if I cite the population density (761 per sq. mile) rather than the population (now estimated at 121).

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Eventual Carrion  May 19, 2019 • 6:08:28am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹

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We’re seeing some of that here, particularly with irrigation systems and tracking cattle.

A lot of that around here. From the initial plowing and planting up to harvest. Many larger farms have had automated GPS steering systems on their tractors for years. Someone is still in the drivers seat, but the tractor steers itself for the most part. Only time the driver had to do anything is when a new field will be created. The driver would just name the field in the system and turn on the recording to record their movements and coordinates for that field dimensions. Many systems optimize the track taken after the initial input to maximize use and time. Pretty cool stuff. Have a couple friends that went to training for this stuff. Have watched it first hand and it is pretty cool.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 6:10:34am

re: #325 Anymouse 🌹

Kind of like the folks against LGBT think more about Teh Geyh Sex than gays do.

and with what goes on in public restrooms

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:11:04am

re: #331 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and with what goes on in bathrooms

Grand Old Perverts.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 6:11:51am

re: #332 Anymouse 🌹

Grand Old Perverts.

with a wide stance on the issues

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:12:40am

re: #307 Barefoot Grin

My wife’s birthday is June 30. I once told someone it was June 31. She’s never let me forget it.

I’ve had many people insist I’m lying about my birthday (May 31). They insist May only has 30 days.

Even had a couple people tell my ID was fake.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:12:56am

re: #333 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

+50

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 19, 2019 • 6:14:48am

re: #334 Anymouse 🌹

I was hired on February 29th. We have no idea how long I’ve worked there.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:22:59am

re: #336 Sufficient unto the day…

I was hired on February 29th. We have no idea how long I’ve worked there.

Only a quarter of the time you think you have. /s

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Anymouse 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:24:02am

Logging off now. I’ll catch y’all somewhere down the road.

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sagehen  May 19, 2019 • 6:25:31am

re: #326 Anymouse 🌹

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We’re seeing some of that here, particularly with irrigation systems and tracking cattle.

That’ll work for grain, and nuts, and some tree-based fruits, but there’s crops that just can’t be automated — which creates labor shortages for California agriculture.

There’s no way to automate grape harvesting, it needs a knowledgeable, experienced picker to grab this bunch, this one and this one, but leave the ones next to it for a few more days or a week; the pruning that happens every year before the grapes start showing requires a skillful selection of which branches… you can’t just grab it all and throw out the losers, the vintner needs their grapes to be a specific readiness.

They’re actually having a hard time finding enough people, because the guys who’ve been doing it for 40 years can’t continue forever, and it’s become difficult to bring in young trainees (apparently Mexicans are the only people interested in this profession). Same for strawberries, only a human eye can recognize proper ripeness, and only a human hand can pick it without bruising it.

This is one of the many reasons why even the most conservative parts of California aren’t so anti-immigration as conservatives elsewhere.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 6:29:31am

re: #339 sagehen

That’ll work for grain, and nuts, and some tree-based fruits, but there’s crops that just can’t be automated — which creates labor shortages for California agriculture.

There’s no way to automate grape harvesting, it needs a knowledgeable, experienced picker to grab this bunch, this one and this one, but leave the ones next to it for a few more days or a week; the pruning that happens every year before the grapes start showing requires a skillful selection of which branches… you can’t just grab it all and throw out the losers, the vintner needs their grapes to be a specific readiness.

They’re actually having a hard time finding enough people, because the guys who’ve been doing it for 40 years can’t continue forever, and it’s become difficult to bring in young trainees (apparently Mexicans are the only people interested in this profession). Same for strawberries, only a human eye can recognize proper ripeness, and only a human hand can pick it without bruising it.

This is one of the many reasons why even the most conservative parts of California aren’t so anti-immigration as conservatives elsewhere.

Especially here on the steep slopes of the Rhine & Moselle, right now the Poles have been replaced by Bulgarians and Romanians during the wine harvest.

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jeffreyw  May 19, 2019 • 6:30:40am

re: #339 sagehen

I have a robot with a DNA based locating system to do repetitive kitchen tasks, like freezing cupcakes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:34:14am

re: #275 Anymouse 🌹

Which is why I refer to that cesspool as H8TEchan.

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sagehen  May 19, 2019 • 6:34:27am

re: #329 Anymouse 🌹

My town sounds a lot bigger if I cite the population density (761 per sq. mile) rather than the population (now estimated at 121).

How far do the kids have to travel for school, and how big is the school?

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 19, 2019 • 6:38:21am

re: #254 Anymouse 🌹

So I read through the comment thread before logging on and see Trump wants to pardon fookin’ war criminals on Memorial Day.

The man is intentionally undermining every shared event or idea about American patriotism.

That is a slap in the face of every active duty, reservist, and veteran living and dead who would never think to commit a war crime. That will not only undermine respect for Memorial Day, it will also undermine respect for the military in general. (I don’t mean military worship from wingnuts, I mean the idea that the military is a law abiding organisation.)

I have one combat medal. I didn’t have to engage in any war crimes.

In the veterans fora that I follow, there is outrage across the spectrum of political support over this.

Trump pissed on the Gold Star families without any meaningful blowback from the GOP and generally GOP-supporting veteran groups. That he’d continue to push once that happened is no surprise - it’s what a bully does.

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2019 • 6:40:34am

re: #339 sagehen

That’ll work for grain, and nuts, and some tree-based fruits, but there’s crops that just can’t be automated — which creates labor shortages for California agriculture.

There’s no way to automate grape harvesting, it needs a knowledgeable, experienced picker to grab this bunch, this one and this one, but leave the ones next to it for a few more days or a week; the pruning that happens every year before the grapes start showing requires a skillful selection of which branches… you can’t just grab it all and throw out the losers, the vintner needs their grapes to be a specific readiness.

They’re actually having a hard time finding enough people, because the guys who’ve been doing it for 40 years can’t continue forever, and it’s become difficult to bring in young trainees (apparently Mexicans are the only people interested in this profession). Same for strawberries, only a human eye can recognize proper ripeness, and only a human hand can pick it without bruising it.

This is one of the many reasons why even the most conservative parts of California aren’t so anti-immigration as conservatives elsewhere.

One weekend in Italy we took the kids to a winegrowers’ cooperative for a holiday. They got to pick and get in the wooden vat to crush the grapes. In the meantime, the real work was going on behind them—the independent growers putting their trailers on the scale, where a probe picked up the sugar content and some other criteria. Then it printed their receipt with a share of the cooperativa’s projected profit and augured the grapes into a large stainless steel production line.

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unproven innocence  May 19, 2019 • 6:41:03am

re: #320 Anymouse 🌹

Programming Note for Mr. Johnson:

Firefox and Microsoft Edge both report your security certificate has expired.

Firefox will not allow you to go around that. It blocks you with no recourse.

Edge will let you in after you navigate through a bunch of warning screens.

I adjusted my time/date (temporarily) to before the expiration, so I could sign in.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 6:47:04am

re: #325 Anymouse 🌹

That is why I don’t like the arguments “what about rape and incest?” It puts a divide between “this” kind of abortion and “that” kind of abortion.

It seems to me the correct response is “keep your government out of women’s parts you perverts.”

Although I think calling so-called pro-lifers “pro-perverts” is a good way to turn their arguments on their heads.

It doesn’t matter what exception (rape) you come up with for legal safe abortion, they will argue against it (even with horrible rapist rights arguments).

I prefer thinking of them as pro-perverts. It doesn’t matter why a woman wants a safe abortion.

Kind of like the folks against LGBT think more about Teh Geyh Sex than gays do.

And then there are world class assholes such as Jesse Lee Peterson who told a caller on his show that a woman who is raped and has a child should spend her life with the rapist so the child has their “natural father.”

But what else would you expect to hear from a sick race traitor who pals around with white supremacists?

patheos.com

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 19, 2019 • 6:47:58am

re: #268 Anymouse 🌹

The Christians Making Atheists (John Pavlovitz)

(more)

And those that especially hate hypocrisy rapidly note that the hierarchy (and this applies to the Catholic Church as well) which claims the high moral ground and authority as sole arbiter of the Holy Word protects their own rather than acting in an ethic and moral way.

I think I keep some of my friends simply because I don’t inquire where their religious viewpoints currently are. Many are Catholic and I know the various scandals distressed them - and initially were written off as “not our parish - our priest(s) are the good ones”.* And some are/were quite conservative Catholics and I did not want to delve too deep below the surface and see what might be lying there.

* - And I have cousins who are priests. But have not talked to them in recent years either.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 19, 2019 • 6:55:08am

re: #272 Anymouse 🌹

I’m sorry to hear you’re stuck. I guess that’s an opportunity to gamble away all your money in the slot machines in the airport. /s

Thinking about that Pavlovitz piece above, what he’s really doing is saying that the actions of some douchecanoe Christians are what’s really driving people to atheism and away from churches. That’s a pretty shallow take on why a person becomes an atheist, and he’s trying to use us to shame his fellow believers (if you only followed the words of Christ, this wouldn’t be happening). Evangelicals can also justify their positions with the Bible.

There are plenty of douchecanoe atheists as well (for example, Sam Harris). No one makes the argument “Wow, Sam Harris is a real douchecanoe, therefore I’m going to become a Christian because all atheists are like him.”

I think there are two things going on:
1. It might not be driving people to atheism, but it’s driving current members (and offspring of) to essentially being non-practicing and/or non-supportive of the Christian organizations. So yes he is mainly aiming at fellow believers.

2. The moral authority of all Christian organizations is being wrecked by the actions of the “douche canoes”. Which is pretty much what you eventually get once you fail to police your own or provide some consistent vocal dissent to.*

Atheists really don’t have a central document or organization they claim authority through.

* - I have no idea how the membership of the “liberal” churches is going. It might be that they are holding their own since they are more accepting. Or it may be that they are eroding faster since it seems often that the moderates take the hit when the fanatics start seriously poisoning the well.

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Belafon  May 19, 2019 • 7:03:06am

re: #269 Mattand

Well, now that I’ve calmed down a bit, all flights out of Vegas have been grounded due to weather. Not AA’s fault, but I was on a bit of a short fuse because they lost our luggage on the way out to Salt Lake City.

We may be stuck in Vegas for two days as of right now.

My son was supposed to fly out of Santa Fe, have a layover in Dallas, and then end up in Lexingon. Well, the weather messed that up. So, instead of being home yesterday evening after flying out yesterday morning, he will fly out this evening, got to Phoenix, then Charlotte, then Lexington, and be home Monday morning.

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2019 • 7:07:00am

re: #349 Feline Fearless Leader


* - I have no idea how the membership of the “liberal” churches is going. It might be that they are holding their own since they are more accepting. Or it may be that they are eroding faster since it seems often that the moderates take the hit when the fanatics start seriously poisoning the well.

RC is just so big that you can’t categorize it. They’ve got everything from crazy-assed medievalists to nuns that chain themselves to the security fences at nuke weapons sites. One of the best people in this town is an ancient nun who spends a bit of time on the bus. If you really internalize Catholic cosmology, and have the right personality, you wind up as one kind of fanatic or another.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 19, 2019 • 7:09:32am

re: #351 Decatur Deb

RC is just so big that you can’t categorize it. They’ve got everything from crazy-assed medievalists to nuns that chain themselves to the security fences at nuke weapons sites. One of the best people in this town is an ancient nun who spends a bit of time on the bus. If you really internalize Catholic cosmology, and have the right personality, you wind up as one kind of fanatic or another.

I think one of my best friends had a bit of a crisis in faith when the child abuse scandals hit. I think the main reason he did not walk away from RC is his parents and in-laws.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 7:16:00am

re: #352 Feline Fearless Leader

In Poland, the documentary film Just Don’t Tell Anyone (Tylow Nie Mow Nikoumu), a documentary about sex abuse by Catholic priests, has definitely been making waves; it’s effect has been described as “almost seismic”.

It’s got a lot of people shook, to say the least - Poland is one of the most heavily Catholic countries in the EU.

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2019 • 7:16:34am

re: #352 Feline Fearless Leader

I think one of my best friends had a bit of a crisis in faith when the child abuse scandals hit. I think the main reason he did not walk away from RC is his parents and in-laws.

I was raised by a bunch of priests and nuns 24/7 for 10 years. Most of them were very good people, none of them were monsters. They were just wrong about the origins and nature of the universe. Now they’re all paying for the corruption that ultimately infects human institutions.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 19, 2019 • 7:21:07am

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The Vicious Babushka  May 19, 2019 • 7:22:59am

Leslie “Dracarys” Jones rips Alabama (embed code won’t work here)

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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2019 • 7:27:17am

re: #356 The Vicious Babushka

Leslie “Dracarys” Jones rips Alabama (embed code won’t work here)

The 355 version worked here: Win10/FF.

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jaunte  May 19, 2019 • 7:30:39am

Pfizer & Wal-Mart among those hiding their contributions to the abortion ban effort.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 7:32:18am

Gallup shows a drop in church membership especially among Catholics

news.gallup.com

Anymouse was wondering about mainline churches. Appears that they’re really hemorrhaging members.

vox.com

Mainline churches today remain diverse but tend to share a cluster of overlapping values: They may endorse same-sex marriage in the church, hold more lenient views on extramarital sex, confess less exclusivist views of eternal salvation, and focus more political efforts toward Christian social relief rather than Christian moral teachings; many mainlines have formal fellowship agreements with one another.

These churches are dying off at a very quick pace. Within the Presbyterian family, the “mainline” Presbyterian Church (USA) is shrinking while the “evangelical” Presbyterian Church of America is growing. Within the Lutheran family, the “mainline” Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (yes, the “Evangelical Lutherans” are mainline, not evangelical; one of many absurdities in religious verbiage) is shrinking rapidly while “evangelical” Wisconsin or Missouri Synod Lutherans are either holding steady or shrinking slowly. Within the Methodist family, “mainline” United Methodists are shrinking while “evangelical” Free Methodists are holding steady. Both sides of the Baptist family tree are shrinking, but the mainline side is shrinking faster.

Where I live in the Koreatown section of Los Angeles there are many old stately churches just going out of business. Since I moved into the area in 1987 the large Christian Science church across the street closed in 1990 and a Korean Chrisitan church bought it. The Disciples of Christ church on Whilshire/Normandie went out of business in 2005 and a right wing Pulpit Pimp-0-Rama bought it. The original Sinai Temple at 4th/New Hampshire also closed and Korean Presbyterians bought it. The Lutheran Church at 6th/Wilton closed. The large Methodist church on Wilshire hosts six different splinter congregations. The Presbyterian Church on Wilshire is scheduled to close and Koreans want to buy it. The other Presbyterian Church in the area at 3rd/Western is now occupied by the ASSemblies of Gawd.

I am glad to see the young folks are leading the way out of these corrupted churches. The damage the Religious Right has done to this country will take a couple generations to repair.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 7:34:30am

re: #358 jaunte

Pfizer & Wal-Mart among those hiding their contributions to the abortion ban effort.

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My retweet. Too harsh [y/n]?

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jaunte  May 19, 2019 • 7:38:07am
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Decatur Deb  May 19, 2019 • 7:40:28am

re: #359 Joe Bacon 🌹

That could be a good news—bad news story. An anthropologist would want to know if the mildly toxic mainstream churches are acting as a buffer from the freakn’ radioactive upstarts. The shift in ownership of the specialized building space might be a clue.

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 19, 2019 • 7:45:06am

re: #313 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Gee. Who else remembers that “terrorist training camp” in Iraq that had the shell of a jet plane? It’s happening all over again.

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jaunte  May 19, 2019 • 7:47:09am
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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 7:51:45am

Some kids are assholes.

Thousands of pounds worth of model railway exhibits have been destroyed in an act of “total wanton destruction”.

Market Deeping Model Railway Club lost years of work in the raid at Welland Academy in Stamford on Saturday.

Its chairman Peter Davies, 70, said exhibits were smashed, thrown around and stamped on, including a locomotive unit worth about £8,500.

Four youths have been arrested on suspicion of burglary and criminal damage.

The club had set up an exhibition in the school for viewing on Sunday.

bbc.com

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The Vicious Babushka  May 19, 2019 • 8:11:54am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 8:14:00am

there is faith and then there is religion and then there is organized religion.

I am fine with the first and even okay with the second until the third comes along and kills the first in the name of its own organization

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jaunte  May 19, 2019 • 8:17:02am

re: #366 The Vicious Babushka

It remains a daily astonishment that a third of the country is still being taken in by the maunderings of this brass-plated turd.

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Sufficient unto the day...  May 19, 2019 • 8:19:53am

re: #368 jaunte

Gold spray paint at best.

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Belafon  May 19, 2019 • 8:20:20am

re: #359 Joe Bacon 🌹

Except the younger ones aren’t leaving the corrupt churches, they’re leaving the more liberal ones. The corrupt churches are still standing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 19, 2019 • 8:24:13am

re: #370 Belafon

Except the younger ones aren’t leaving the corrupt churches, they’re leaving the more liberal ones. The corrupt churches are still standing.

Then let those churches remain standing as empty shells

it will further stress the disconnect between faith and organized religion

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Old Liberal  May 19, 2019 • 8:27:11am

re: #370 Belafon

Except the younger ones aren’t leaving the corrupt churches, they’re leaving the more liberal ones. The corrupt churches are still standing.

Part of the decline in mainline churches is they didn’t follow the megachurch model. Their theology and geography held to the neighborhood church not the suburban expansion.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 19, 2019 • 8:27:53am

re: #316 Dr Lizardo

These people probably think Jesus is talking to them through their bowl of Alpha-Bits cereal.

Family Guy - (S1xE6) oooooooooooo!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2019 • 8:28:53am

so, this apparently happened:

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Citizen K  May 19, 2019 • 8:29:05am

Folks like to boast about the power of the internet and being able to ‘get past’ the media veil and inform folks directly, but lets face facts: if the mainstream media wants to unperson someone, wants to ignore an event no matter how many people are actually behind it, they will, and the people will follow, because the process will follow. If a tree falls in the forest and the media doesn’t cover it, it never happened.

That’s why we’re not seeing ‘wall-to-wall protests’ regarding Trump and all the fucking horrors around us it seems like Just like the right wing’s favorite ‘Why aren’t blacks protesting crime?!’, shit is happening, just the major outlets lock it out to the point it may as well not be fucking happening.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 8:42:20am

Now my Macs are blocking access to LGF showing an expired certificate and my phone shows a Not Secure in the access bar…

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GlutenFreeJesus  May 19, 2019 • 8:42:25am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

so, this apparently happened:

[Embedded content]

Good. They were so fucking annoying.

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2019 • 8:44:44am

re: #376 Joe Bacon 🌹

Same with me. Go into the little information link near the end of the message. It will ask you if you wish to ignore the message. Click that and you should be okay.

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goddamnedfrank  May 19, 2019 • 8:53:35am
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GlutenFreeJesus  May 19, 2019 • 9:02:28am

re: #374 Backwoods_Sleuth

Looks like they reactivated. So I blocked them both. Before, I had them muted, and in every Trump tweet they’d reply to (which was literally every single one), I could tell it was them spamming because of that “muted” message in the threads.

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jaunte  May 19, 2019 • 9:14:36am
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ericblair  May 19, 2019 • 9:18:16am

re: #375 Citizen K

Reminds me of first 2 major LGBT marches in DC; 1/2 million. Not a single nat’l news mag touched it.

I was living in Metro DC when the anti-Iraq War protests were happening. For most of them you didn’t hear a peep on the news except in the traffic report for something to avoid.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 9:18:56am

*: The in joke here is that melancholia/depression is practically the Finnish national mental disorder…

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sagehen  May 19, 2019 • 9:27:49am

thread

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 9:37:53am

re: #384 sagehen

thread

[Embedded content]

Trump is giving his MAGAT thugs a blank check to commit murder.

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 9:50:34am

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump is giving his MAGAT thugs a blank check to commit murder.

Yeah, a not-so-subtle signal that if they kill one of the “enemies of the people”, Trump will pardon them.

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Teukka  May 19, 2019 • 9:53:28am

re: #385 Joe Bacon 🌹

Trump is giving his MAGAT thugs a blank check to commit murder.

re: #386 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, a not-so-subtle signal that if they kill one of the “enemies of the people”, Trump will pardon them.

You expecting an uptick in Christchurch-esque incidents acts of terror?

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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2019 • 9:55:20am

re: #387 Teukka

Personally I hope not but I would not be surprised if something did happen.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2019 • 9:56:51am
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PhillyPretzel  May 19, 2019 • 9:58:56am

re: #389 Backwoods_Sleuth

Now that must be very welcome news for that college. :)

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DodgerFan1988  May 19, 2019 • 10:01:17am

Deporting your own family members for the “Greater Good.”

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Hecuba's daughter  May 19, 2019 • 10:02:18am

Thoughts about last night’s SNL cold open: it would have been perfect if, when Mueller made his appearance, he said Dracarys, the oval office burst into flames, and Mueller was the only one making the Live from New York announcement.

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ipsos  May 19, 2019 • 10:02:34am

re: #390 PhillyPretzel

Now that must be very welcome news for that college. :)

The college already got its money… but I’m sure it’s phenomenally welcome news for the students who would have been paying it off for decades to come.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 19, 2019 • 10:05:00am
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Citizen K  May 19, 2019 • 10:05:01am
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retired cynic  May 19, 2019 • 10:08:34am

re: #395 Citizen K

So helpless, they can change the channel on their tv….

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Dr Lizardo  May 19, 2019 • 10:12:27am

re: #387 Teukka

You expecting an uptick in Christchurch-esque incidents acts of terror?

I wouldn’t be at all surprised. Hell, I’m sort of surprised nothing’s happened yet.

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Citizen K  May 19, 2019 • 10:12:57am

re: #396 retired cynic

So helpless, they can change the channel on their tv….

Those replies kept bringing up scenarios like where they were at a work place where only Fox News was on at all points, and it’s like 1) you can always ask to have the channel changed, and 2) if they’re being inundated like this passively, what makes you think one or two hours are going to actually change that, especially when so much will be put toward undermining that very same message Dems supposedly got through ‘unfiltered’.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 19, 2019 • 10:15:20am

re: #391 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Deporting your own family members for the “Greater Good.”

Sounds like somebody has a mistress on the side and wanted to dump his wife.

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Citizen K  May 19, 2019 • 10:16:16am

After all, reporting on a problem then not just ignoring the problem a day later but actively promoting said problem’s instigators credulously is what the Times does best.

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Feline Fearless Leader  May 19, 2019 • 10:23:44am

re: #391 DodgerFan1988

[Embedded content]

Deporting your own family members for the “Greater Good.”

I know multiple people who essentially justified voting for Trump over the single issue of abortion. Pretty much blamed Hillary in 2016 for every abortion that ever took place.

Pretty much seems to be a litmus issue with conservative RC. Or, in my opinion at this point, a useful argument to cover any number of other sins.


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