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gocart mozart  May 21, 2019 • 11:41:40am

Carson is a buffoon

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2019 • 11:49:24am

re: #1 gocart mozart

Carson is a buffoon

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It’s like Spaceballs writ large. We’re surrounded by assholes.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 11:51:43am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 11:55:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 12:01:48pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 12:04:29pm

Here is a thread about the impeachment process at the end of the Wonkette article:
tl;dr Impeachment is not something you go into without having all your ducks in a row.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:05:53pm

Here we go……

The trailer for Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon A Time In Hollywood.

ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD - Official Trailer (HD)

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2019 • 12:06:43pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

Carson is a buffoon

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I’d LMAO if people flooded Sleepyboy’s mail with packages of Oreo cookies!

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:07:29pm

re: #4 Backwoods_Sleuth

Fortunately, the last two years’ stock market gains are not a ‘bubble’, which DJt called all the stock market gains from the Obama era.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:10:16pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

Carson is a buffoon

Carson: How come I don’t get to do that?

Congress: Because you aren’t a member of this Committee or member of Congress. You aren’t allotted a length of time to question a witness.

Carson: Well, who am I then and what rights do I have?

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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 12:10:29pm

re: #7 Dr Lizardo

Here we go……

The trailer for Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon A Time In Hollywood.

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So what movie did he copy this time?

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lawhawk  May 21, 2019 • 12:10:59pm

re: #11 William Lewis

So what movie did he copy this time?

All of them?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2019 • 12:11:13pm

re: #10 Sir John Barron

Carson: How come I don’t get to do that?

Congress: Because you aren’t a member of this Committee or member of Congress. You aren’t allotted a length of time to question a witness.

Carson: Well, who am I then and what rights do I have?

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Please assure me that dumb motherfather didn’t say that…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 12:12:43pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:12:59pm

re: #12 lawhawk

All of them?

From what I can gather (from what I’ve read) it’s a fictionalized telling of the Tate/LaBianca murders by Charles Manson’s whacked-out cultists.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:13:18pm

re: #13 Joe Bacon 🌹

Please assure me that dumb motherfather didn’t say that…

No, sorry, I was jesting.

Although….

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 12:13:41pm

re: #13 Joe Bacon 🌹

Please assure me that dumb motherfather didn’t say that…

Did you watch gocart’s clip? Ben Carson is a blithering asshole.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:14:18pm

re: #17 The Vicious Babushka

Did you watch gocart’s clip? Ben Carson is a blithering asshole.

I’m surprised he showed up to a committee hearing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 12:14:37pm
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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 12:14:49pm

re: #15 Dr Lizardo

From what I can gather (from what I’ve read) it’s a fictionalized telling of the Tate/LaBianca murders by Charles Manson’s whacked-out cultists.

Ah. Never mind a story when making Peckinpah look like a pacifist will do.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2019 • 12:14:50pm

re: #2 Eclectic Cyborg

It’s like Spaceballs writ large. We’re surrounded by assholes.

Can we get the 2020 retrospective DVD now and fast forward to see how the election ends?

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 21, 2019 • 12:16:55pm

Fire season in Canada is off to a roaring start.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 21, 2019 • 12:17:39pm

re: #18 Sir John Barron

I’m surprised he showed up to a committee hearing.

Katie should send him a bag of Hydrox as a consolation prize for being so goddamned dumb!

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:19:02pm

re: #1 gocart mozart

Carson is a buffoon

Carson: OK, well I defy the subpoena.

Congress: We didn’t issue a subpoena to you. We invited you to testify before our committee. And you came.

Carson: Oh.

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:19:51pm

re: #14 Backwoods_Sleuth

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 12:19:54pm

Of course this gibbering shitgoblin describes himself as “Christian, conservative”

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:21:02pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Of course this gibbering shitgoblin describes himself as “Christian, conservative”

I bet some of these minimum wagers buy candy bars!
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 12:22:04pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 12:22:05pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Fact: minimum wage is livable if you cut out entertainment, alcohol, drug, and eating out costs. Minimum wage isn’t supposed to support a 6 figure lifestyle

It is livable if you are supporting yourself alone and can adjust your lifestyle to your income.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:23:21pm

re: #20 William Lewis

Ah. Never mind a story when making Peckinpah look like a pacifist will do.

The Tate/LaBianca murders are a seminal event in Los Angeles history; from what I’ve read (it happened five days after I was born), it also represented a rather brutal end to what we popularly think of as “the ’60s”. Basically, the end of an era, particularly, the hippie era. Charlie and his nutty followers became the hippies America loved to hate and seems like it was one of the events that helped set the stage for the conservative backlash that began in the mid-1970s.

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:23:48pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 21, 2019 • 12:24:14pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Of course this gibbering shitgoblin describes himself as “Christian, conservative”

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Oh okay, so I can survive on minimum wage as long as I’m willing to be bored, sober, starving and sick.

Is that about right?

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Mike Lamb  May 21, 2019 • 12:26:08pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Of course this gibbering shitgoblin describes himself as “Christian, conservative”

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That’s some good sarcasm. Oh wait…he’s fucking serious?

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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 12:26:35pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

The Tate/LaBianca murders are a seminal event in Los Angeles history; from what I’ve read (it happened five days after I was born), it also represented a rather brutal end to what we popularly think of as “the ’60s”. Basically, the end of an era, particularly, the hippie era. Charlie and his nutty followers became the hippies America loved to hate and seems like it one of the events that helped set the stage for the conservative backlash that began in the mid-1970s.

Oh, I know. But I think QT only cares about it because he can have a bloody crime scene and can glamorize the violence the way his porn always does.

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:27:08pm

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is livable if you are supporting yourself alone and can adjust your lifestyle to your income.

Even then, it’s like….shit happens. Expenses happen. What do you do then? Living check to check is possible, yes. But only until your only ride to work suddenly becomes unavailable because a cable snapped, or an ugly fender bender that wasn’t your fault. Or a medical crisis, possibly caused by said fender bender or just ‘bad genes’. Or maybe your jeans caught on fire along with the rest of your stuff because some asshole ignored the smoke detectors and lit one up in the apartment next door.

Too many people are one step away from destitution.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 12:29:55pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 12:29:57pm

re: #35 Citizen K

Even then, it’s like….shit happens. Expenses happen. What do you do then? Living check to check is possible, yes. But only until your only ride to work suddenly becomes unavailable because a cable snapped, or an ugly fender bender that wasn’t your fault. Or a medical crisis, possibly caused by said fender bender or just ‘bad genes’. Or maybe your jeans caught on fire along with the rest of your stuff because some asshole ignored the smoke detectors and lit one up in the apartment next door.

Too many people are one step away from destitution.

Yes, I guess “survivable” is more the term, but in most states, trying to support a family of four on a minimum wage puts you below the poverty level. Which results in companies like Wal-Mart receiving indirect loan subsidies for its workers because they qualify for SNAP payments that they spend in the Wal Mart.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2019 • 12:29:57pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Minimum wage in California is $11 an hour if you work for a business with less than 25 employees. Otherwise it’s $12 an hour.

$12/hr at 40 hours a week for a year is $24,960. That’s $2080 per month BEFORE TAXES. After taxes, you’re looking at about $1600 per month, before your employee contribution to health insurance. A one bedroom apartment in most of the greater Los Angeles area is going to be right around your entire take home pay. If you’re lucky, you might find something in the $1200-1400 range. But even then, you’re looking at $200-400 to cover things like food, utilities, basic transportation to your job, clothes…

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Mike Lamb  May 21, 2019 • 12:30:32pm

re: #31 Citizen K

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Don’t even go there with the emergency expenses. You should be able to see a goddamned movie some time. Being able to enjoy life goes into a “livable wage”. This guy wants a bunch of underlings, eating gruel, who only live to work.

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Hecuba's daughter  May 21, 2019 • 12:30:56pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

The Tate/LaBianca murders are a seminal event in Los Angeles history; from what I’ve read (it happened five days after I was born), it also represented a rather brutal end to what we popularly think of as “the ’60s”. Basically, the end of an era, particularly, the hippie era. Charlie and his nutty followers became the hippies America loved to hate and seems like it was one of the events that helped set the stage for the conservative backlash that began in the mid-1970s.

I saw Roman Polanski’s Macbeth when it was released. It was the most violent, brutal telling of Shakespeare’s story and clearly an effort by Polanski to deal with his demons after the brutal murder of his wife.

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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 12:31:22pm

re: #35 Citizen K

Even then, it’s like….shit happens. Expenses happen. What do you do then? Living check to check is possible, yes. But only until your only ride to work suddenly becomes unavailable because a cable snapped, or an ugly fender bender that wasn’t your fault. Or a medical crisis, possibly caused by said fender bender or just ‘bad genes’. Or maybe your jeans caught on fire along with the rest of your stuff because some asshole ignored the smoke detectors and lit one up in the apartment next door.

Too many people are one step away from destitution.

The capitalist fantasy is that desperate people will be grateful for anything. But sooner or later they’ll hit the point of Mdm
Guillotine… The progressive movement is the only reason that didn’t happen in the Great Depression; it remains to be seen how far dipshit’s economic illiteracy will get us in that direction.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:32:41pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh okay, so I can survive on minimum wage as long as I’m willing to be bored, sober, starving and sick.

Is that about right?

You could donate your blood for bucks, sell a body part or two.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:32:50pm

re: #34 William Lewis

Oh, I know. But I think QT only cares about it because he can have a bloody crime scene and can glamorize the violence the way his porn always does.

On this one, I’m not so sure - naturally, the family of Sharon was (naturally) horrified by the idea of her death being a central part of the story. However, they did meet with Tarantino himself and wound up giving the project their approval.

Even though it’d be quite unlike Tarantino, perhaps he found a way to handle it that isn’t gratuitous or stylized/glamorized violence. It can be done offscreen, for example - show Watson, Krenwinkle and Atkins walking up to the house, cut to black, then next scene, have Leonardo’s character wander over to find out why there’s a ton of cops at his neighbor’s house. You do a recreation of the crime-scene photos, the ones after the bodies had been removed by the coroner (personally, that’s how I’d do it if I making a film about that subject).

That’d work - like I said, it’d certainly be different for Tarantino.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:34:12pm

re: #40 Hecuba’s daughter

I saw Roman Polanski’s Macbeth when it was released. It was the most violent, brutal telling of Shakespeare’s story and clearly an effort by Polanski to deal with his demons after the brutal murder of his wife.

Regardless of what Polanski later gained infamy for, the murder of his highly pregnant wife must’ve seriously fucked him up. I can’t even imagine that.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2019 • 12:35:00pm

re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg

Oh okay, so I can survive on minimum wage as long as I’m willing to be bored, sober, starving and sick.

Is that about right?

Oh, and add in cold/sweltering, because you can’t afford heat in the winter or AC in the summer.

I was thinking about a budget that fits minimum wage, and you run up to the $15,000 you’d make on federal minimum wage on housing costs by itself in many places the country.

Even the average costs are beyond what the middle class can absorb (or afford) without taking on loans and heaven forbid a medical emergency, and you’d watch medically induced bankruptcy flash into your future.

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gocart mozart  May 21, 2019 • 12:36:25pm

AOC v. Carson

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 12:36:44pm

re: #44 Dr Lizardo

Regardless of what Polanski later gained infamy for, the murder of his highly pregnant wife must’ve seriously fucked him up. I can’t even imagine that.

Oh wait Sharon Tate was his wife?

Or was this another crime?

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:37:15pm

re: #39 Mike Lamb

But I mean, that’s still the point. Even under this guy’s ideal scenario, someone living that lifestyle is still one bad day from total and under financial annihilation. That’s no fucking way to live life and no way to damn people forced into that situation. Even living “bored, sober, starving and sick” as re: #32 Eclectic Cyborg says is only feasible until the once back-breaking crisis comes, and this asshole is going the Fox route in treating things of mere survivability and mental health care like the most exorbitant of luxuries.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:40:49pm

re: #47 Sir John Barron

Oh wait Sharon Tate was his wife?

Or was this another crime?

Sharon Tate was his wife - she was eight months pregnant when she was murdered by Manson’s creepy cultists.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 12:41:39pm

re: #29 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is livable if you are supporting yourself alone and can adjust your lifestyle to your income.

It is livable if somebody else (like your parents, that you live with) are paying all your expenses.

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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 12:47:24pm

re: #50 The Vicious Babushka

It is livable if somebody else (like your parents, that you live with) are paying all your expenses.

I make $11.5 which is a good deal more than minimum and i can only get by with energy assistance, a VA chapter 8 housing voucher and food pantries. I live by myself and pay child support. I have all of my high value possessions in the pawn shop.

Fuck anybody who says you can survive on minimum wage.

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I Would Prefer Not To  May 21, 2019 • 12:49:24pm

re: #51 William Lewis

I make $11.5 which is a good deal more than minimum and i can only get by with energy assistance, a VA chapter 8 housing voucher and food pantries. I live by myself and pay child support. I have all of my high value possessions in the pawn shop.

Fuck anybody who says you can survive on minimum wage.

“Of all the preposterous assumptions of humanity over humanity, nothing exceeds most of the criticisms made on the habits of the poor by the well-housed, well- warmed, and well-fed.” Herman Melville

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 12:50:03pm

re: #51 William Lewis

I make $11.5 which is a good deal more than minimum and i can only get by with energy assistance, a VA chapter 8 housing voucher and food pantries. I live by myself and pay child support. I have all of my high value possessions in the pawn shop.

Fuck anybody who says you can survive on minimum wage.

so again, you employer is basically receiving indirect wage subsidies so they can continue to pay you less than a living wage.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 12:51:30pm
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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 12:53:08pm

Funny, I would have thought allowing a paramedic to refuse to treat you because they didn’t like your tattoo would be a bigger deal.

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 12:53:37pm

re: #30 Dr Lizardo

The Tate/LaBianca murders are a seminal event in Los Angeles history; from what I’ve read (it happened five days after I was born), it also represented a rather brutal end to what we popularly think of as “the ’60s”. Basically, the end of an era, particularly, the hippie era. Charlie and his nutty followers became the hippies America loved to hate and seems like it was one of the events that helped set the stage for the conservative backlash that began in the mid-1970s.

I was 9 years old, 30 miles inland, and it was HUGE. It was absolutely the most terrifying thing that had ever happened in LA. More than earthquakes, more than wildfires, more than mudslides, more than the Watts riots a few years earlier, more than the Rodney King riots 20-some years later.

And once they found who did it and the trial dragged on… it got scarier and scarier every day.

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:54:43pm

re: #56 Skip Intro

Funny, I would have thought allowing a paramedic to refuse to treat you because they didn’t like your tattoo would be a bigger deal.

I’m still looking forward to the glut of incidents involving the line “I cannot, in good conscience treat this person, my religion has moral objections to (insert racial slur here)”. Because you know it’s going to happen.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 12:56:15pm
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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 12:57:13pm

re: #58 Citizen K

That’s the whole purpose of the new rules, isn”t it? Phamacists have been pulling this crap for years now, but now the entire medical profession has been given the green light by Trump.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 12:57:21pm

Carson knows nothing. Nothing.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 21, 2019 • 12:58:25pm

CL’d in last thread (durr… me slow today):

re: #152 lawhawk

It makes it excruciatingly hard to watch.

The interesting thing was how the miners actually were requisitioned to do the work and how their leader tried to do right by his people.

In the end, they never had to implement the cooling system, because the reactor never melted all the way down - they filled in the tunnel built with concrete and called it a day.

But at the time, they didn’t know that.

My favorite character in this increasingly hard-to-watch series is the head of the miners. His taunt: “You don’t have enough bullets to shoot us all and the survivors will beat the living shit out of you” struck home for me; I worked in Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc., and that guy was the epitome of the “hard as a coffin nail” blue-collar Ūdarniki I came to know.

They’re not afraid of a goddam thing. They won’t back down if you point the entire Red Army at them, because that’s their daily life.

All of them patting the mining apparatchik on his delicate robins-egg blue suit to muss it up was perfect.

We need more of this attitude in the modern Democratic party. My grampa sure as fuck had it, after the Depression spent slaving in the lumber camps for the WPA.

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Citizen K  May 21, 2019 • 12:58:57pm

re: #60 Skip Intro

That’s the whole purpose of the new rules, isn”t it? Phamacists have been pulling this crap for years now, but now the entire medical profession has been given the green light by Trump.

Yep. We’re rolling back every single bit of progress in this country and Making Racism Great Again. Legal discrimination in just about every form soon.

re: #61 jaunte

Carson knows nothing. Nothing.

You say this like this isn’t the exact reason he has the job in the first place.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 12:59:34pm

re: #57 sagehen

I was 9 years old, 30 miles inland, and it was HUGE. It was absolutely the most terrifying thing that had ever happened in LA. More than earthquakes, more than wildfires, more than the Watts riots a few years earlier, more than the Rodney King riots 20-some years later.

And once they found who did it and the trial dragged on… it got scarier and scarier every day.

That’s the sense I got hearing about it later in life from people who were adults when that went down. Practically the whole city was basically freaking out and paranoia went through the roof.

Like I said, it brought an abrupt and violent end to the ’60s. I think Joan Didion later commented “the ’60s died on August 9th, 1969” or something to that effect.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 1:01:47pm

re: #62 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

CL’d in last thread (durr… me slow today):

My favorite character in this increasingly hard-to-watch series is the head of the miners. His taunt: “You don’t have enough bullets to shoot us all and the survivors will beat the living shit out of you” struck home for me; I worked in Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan, Georgia, Azerbaijan, etc., and that guy was the epitome of the “hard as a coffin nail” blue-collar Ūdarniki I came to know.

They’re not afraid of a goddam thing. They won’t back down if you point the entire Red Army at them, because that’s their daily life.

All of them patting the mining apparatchik on his delicate robins-egg blue suit to muss it up was perfect.

We need more of this attitude in the modern Democratic party. My grampa sure as fuck had it, after the Depression spent slaving in the lumber camps for the WPA.

Two of my students (they’re in their sixties now) are former miners who’ve gone on to better and brighter things. They’re blunt, direct and they take no bullshit. And I have great respect for them too; those two are my favorite current students.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:03:10pm
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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 1:06:43pm

re: #66 jaunte

Reclaiming my time….

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Mike Lamb  May 21, 2019 • 1:07:12pm

re: #48 Citizen K

But I mean, that’s still the point. Even under this guy’s ideal scenario, someone living that lifestyle is still one bad day from total and under financial annihilation. That’s no fucking way to live life and no way to damn people forced into that situation. Even living “bored, sober, starving and sick” as says is only feasible until the once back-breaking crisis comes, and this asshole is going the Fox route in treating things of mere survivability and mental health care like the most exorbitant of luxuries.

I understand that even under this guy’s definition of “livable”, it fails to account for emergencies that invariably arise. I’m just unwilling to concede that any of his premise is correct.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:07:24pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 1:08:29pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 21, 2019 • 1:08:59pm

re: #66 jaunte

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 21, 2019 • 1:09:15pm

I’m still split on this. Half of me says, “Trust that the system is going to function, there are too many judges and law enforcement who respect Rule Of Law. As well as the military command, which is coming to despise Trump.”

The other half wonders what happens when Trump and his cronies defy court orders and have the Secret Service point guns at the Federal Marshals coming to seize evidence. Will someone open fire? On which side?

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:09:33pm
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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 1:09:43pm

re: #69 jaunte

And when they don’t appear, then what?

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:09:51pm
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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:12:21pm

re: #74 Skip Intro

To every judge of these events, each refusal to appear is one more element of obstruction of justice.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 21, 2019 • 1:13:34pm

Has anyone researched the etiology of this?

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:16:48pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 1:17:03pm

re: #64 Dr Lizardo

That’s the sense I got hearing about it later in life from people who were adults when that went down. Practically the whole city was basically freaking out and paranoia went through the roof.

Like I said, it brought an abrupt and violent end to the ’60s. I think Joan Didion later commented “the ’60s died on August 9th, 1969” or something to that effect.

It was also the time when Nixon started cracking down on marijuana smuggling so drug dealers switched to heroin, which was easier to smuggle and offered a much higher profit margin.

That theme comes up in Thomas Pynchon’s Inherent Vice, which is also set in that post-hippie era in California.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 21, 2019 • 1:18:42pm

Pics from today’s protest. Dragonlady’s work.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 1:19:11pm

re: #72 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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I’m still split on this. Half of me says, “Trust that the system is going to function, there are too many judges and law enforcement who respect Rule Of Law. As well as the military command, which is coming to despise Trump.”

The other half wonders what happens when Trump and his cronies defy court orders and have the Secret Service point guns at the Federal Marshals coming to seize evidence. Will someone open fire? On which side?

We could get all the way to Trump shooting someone, like he bragged about doing. But I doubt that would happen just because Trump is a chickenshit.

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 1:20:41pm

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makeitstop  May 21, 2019 • 1:22:18pm

re: #82 Skip Intro

Is it clear yet?

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I call fake. Chyron font is totally wrong.

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lawhawk  May 21, 2019 • 1:22:34pm

re: #62 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Yeah…. and then the miners were told they couldn’t use machinery, or that fans would kick up dust and as the temp rose in the tunnel, they resorted to wearing less and less clothing, until they were mining naked.

And the higher ups were like … WTF. Except that if they wanted it done, this is what they had to do. It’s nuts to think how they built this tunnel (that never actually served its purpose). The mining team leader is like… this is what it takes to get it done. If you don’t like it… get out of our way.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 21, 2019 • 1:23:40pm

re: #65 Dr Lizardo

Two of my students (they’re in their sixties now) are former miners who’ve gone on to better and brighter things. They’re blunt, direct and they take no bullshit. And I have great respect for them too; those two are my favorite current students.

Great quote from the apparatchik: “Don’t try to lie to the miners. They see everything because they work in the dark.”

I think one of the things that has so hamstrung the Democratic party is the insistence of the fringe activists on using pretty language to dress things up so as to salve potentially hurt feelings.

Blunt guys say blunt things. Doesn’t mean they hate on LGBT or minorities (although they often do, at least in the abstract). But a surprising amount of the blue-collar family/friends are OK with people who look/talk/act differently than they do, as long as said people work hard, follow rules and treat them with respect.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 1:23:42pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

We could get all the way to Trump shooting someone, like he bragged about doing. But I doubt that would happen just because Trump is a chickenshit.

He would shoot an unarmed person.

But his supporters would flock to explain why the shooting was not only justifiable, but necessary or even heroic.

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 1:23:51pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Yeah, I think you’re right. Deleted.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 1:25:32pm

re: #79 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It was also the time when Nixon started cracking down on marijuana smuggling so drug dealers switched to heroin, which was easier to smuggle and offered a much higher profit margin.

That theme comes up in Thomas Pynchon’s Inherent Vice, which is also set in that post-hippie era in California.

Yep, the beginning of the War on Drugs, which continues to this day.

Gonna call it a day; have fun, Lizards.

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ipsos  May 21, 2019 • 1:26:33pm

re: #83 makeitstop

I call fake. Chyron font is totally wrong.

It’s weird - Like you, I’m one of those people who sees fonts instantly and can tell when they’re wrong.

I’m always puzzled when I meet people who just don’t see the differences that we do.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 21, 2019 • 1:28:37pm

re: #81 The Vicious Babushka

We could get all the way to Trump shooting someone, like he bragged about doing. But I doubt that would happen just because Trump is a chickenshit.

He is a total coward, a classic bully who will run sniveling the minute someone punches him in the face.

I think he’s bought into the myth that he commands the military and FBI and Secret Service with total Blut Und Eisen level of loyalty.

The process we’re going about now is to strip away the fig leaves of Trump’s rule being anything other than unlawful dictatorship. Will it work?

It better.

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gocart mozart  May 21, 2019 • 1:28:57pm
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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 1:29:40pm

re: #73 jaunte

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I saw it noted by a pundit yesterday that McGahn’s most likely worry was that Trump and/or the GOP would embargo his law firm by steering clients away, accusing him of violating attorney-client privilege by acquiescing to the House Dem subpoena rather than fighting it in court on the grounds that his former “client” had ordered him not to testify.

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Mike Lamb  May 21, 2019 • 1:29:42pm

re: #74 Skip Intro

And when they don’t appear, then what?

If McGahn’s (and others) arguments for refusing to comply with the subpoena were thin, the arguments for these two would be non-existent.

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makeitstop  May 21, 2019 • 1:30:19pm

re: #89 ipsos

It’s weird - Like you, I’m one of those people who sees fonts instantly and can tell when they’re wrong.

I’m always puzzled when I meet people who just don’t see the differences that we do.

Chyrons hardly ever use lower case letters. That was the big giveaway on that graphic.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 1:31:00pm

re: #75 jaunte

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More months of waiting for subpoenas to crawl their way through the court system.

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Charles Johnson  May 21, 2019 • 1:31:46pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 1:32:57pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

Is it possible to be an accomplished brain surgeon and still be dumber than a box of dumbness?

He is just fully unqualified for the job he was appointed to and has obviously done little or nothing to learn about it.

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Skip Intro  May 21, 2019 • 1:34:24pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

He is just fully unqualified for the job he was appointed to and has obviously done little or nothing to learn about it.

He said he was unqualified, but that didn’t stop him from running for pres or accepting the job when Trump offered it.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:34:51pm

re: #97 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Long days of furniture shopping.

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Dr Lizardo  May 21, 2019 • 1:37:40pm

So, before I call it a day, I caught this - and it’s about Tarantino’s new flick, which has just premiered at the Cannes Festival.

Possibly a spoiler, so I’ll put it in a tag.

Nevertheless, “Once Upon a Time” is an unapologetic fantasy of the kind Tarantino has relished in his recent spate of projects, and this one seems to exist in dialogue with its forebears. There’s even a late monologue from one of the Manson killers about the fetishization of murder and violence in entertainment that registers as Tarantino reducing his most conservative critics to the worst possible caricatures. From there, the filmmaker settles into business as usual. There’s no point in spoiling the specifics, but needless to say, the movie careens into a form of historical revisionism familiar from Tarantino’s other recent work. After a movie built around a surprising degree of restraint, he can’t help but let himself go. As “Once Upon a Time in Hollywood” makes clear, it’s hard to keep a good showman down.

And maybe that’s why Sharon Tate’s family gave the film their blessing. If you’re familiar with some of Tarantino’s latest films (think Inglorious Basterds), then the ending of this fairy tale might be…..different than the ending we all know.

And with that, good night.

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Charles Johnson  May 21, 2019 • 1:38:22pm
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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:40:11pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

The state argues that the withholding is aimed at punishing California for opposing President Donald Trump’s proposed wall along the southern U.S. border.

I thought that we might see that ‘wall’ word in there somewhere.

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KGxvi  May 21, 2019 • 1:42:19pm

re: #72 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

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I’m still split on this. Half of me says, “Trust that the system is going to function, there are too many judges and law enforcement who respect Rule Of Law. As well as the military command, which is coming to despise Trump.”

The other half wonders what happens when Trump and his cronies defy court orders and have the Secret Service point guns at the Federal Marshals coming to seize evidence. Will someone open fire? On which side?

Remember, one of Trump’s “idols” is Andrew Jackson who, allegedly, said “the Chief Justice has issued his ruling, now let him enforce it” after the Marshall Court ruled that removal of Native Americans from Florida was unconstitutional. He’s absolutely going to defy a federal order - he’s wanted to since the Court’s first rejected his Muslim ban.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 21, 2019 • 1:43:20pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Of course it is retaliation. Trump will damage California as only a President can.

And that project is an unmitigated mess of delays, over runs and people screwed along the real, planned or even imagined right of ways.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 1:43:29pm
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Belafon  May 21, 2019 • 1:43:45pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

According to some stuff my dad heard, he was kind of a mediocre brain surgeon. But, being a brain surgeon doesn’t require you to be a car mechanic, so your range of knowledge is rather limited.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 1:44:51pm
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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 1:52:10pm

re: #38 KGxvi

Minimum wage in California is $11 an hour if you work for a business with less than 25 employees. Otherwise it’s $12 an hour.

$12/hr at 40 hours a week for a year is $24,960. That’s $2080 per month BEFORE TAXES. After taxes, you’re looking at about $1600 per month, before your employee contribution to health insurance. A one bedroom apartment in most of the greater Los Angeles area is going to be right around your entire take home pay. If you’re lucky, you might find something in the $1200-1400 range. But even then, you’re looking at $200-400 to cover things like food, utilities, basic transportation to your job, clothes…

Well, aren’t you fancy, living in a state with a minimum wage, an’ all.

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Belafon  May 21, 2019 • 1:53:39pm

I don’t think there are that many Republican polymaths.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 1:55:53pm
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William Lewis  May 21, 2019 • 1:56:01pm

re: #100 Dr Lizardo

IOW even crappier than the usual shit he serves up. Thanks for the heads up. I would have avoided it anyway but…

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KGxvi  May 21, 2019 • 1:56:28pm

re: #109 Belafon

I don’t think there are that many Republican polymaths.

Most have been forced from the party in the last decade or so.

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Mescalero  May 21, 2019 • 1:56:45pm

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 1:58:02pm

re: #112 KGxvi

Most have been forced from the party in the last decade or so.

God wanted us to do only one math at a time

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:00:30pm
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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 2:01:24pm

re: #115 jaunte

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The term that came to my mind was “idiot savant.”

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makeitstop  May 21, 2019 • 2:02:03pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

The term that came to my mind was “idiot savant.”

All I got was ‘idiot.’

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:02:21pm

Fach: literally “compartment” or “subject of study”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 21, 2019 • 2:03:14pm

re: #118 jaunte

Fach: literally “compartment” or “subject of study”

They also have the verb fachsimpeln, akin to our English “shop talk” but more simple-minded.

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 2:06:16pm

re: #106 Belafon

According to some stuff my dad heard, he was kind of a mediocre brain surgeon. But, being a brain surgeon doesn’t require you to be a car mechanic, so your range of knowledge is rather limited.

He separated conjoined twins, with intertwined brains.

On the other hand… part of being able to do that is unusually acute color sensitivity, to be able to tell one bit of brain from another, and excellent hand-eye coordination. These are physical attributes, completely separate from intelligence. Surgeons today would have MRI imaging and robotic laser scalpels to compensate for ordinary humans’ inability to do the same.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:06:20pm
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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 2:06:26pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

The term that came to my mind was “idiot savant.”

According to the Popular Wisdom, which is all most of us can share, he was at the absolute top of his field. He could have lived on as a exemplar to generations of kids.

Instead, he covered himself in Trump. Tragedy.

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Sir John Barron  May 21, 2019 • 2:06:38pm

re: #105 Backwoods_Sleuth

Such bravery much courage.

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:07:47pm
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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:08:06pm
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:08:19pm

meanwhile in the Land of Brexit:

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:10:23pm
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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 2:10:57pm

The Minimum Wage guy has MOAR DEEP THINKS

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:11:54pm

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

I have yet to be confronted with a real argument disproving me

Chef’s kiss solipsism!

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:12:20pm
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Jay C  May 21, 2019 • 2:12:48pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in the Land of Brexit:

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Nice (I guess) that Labour is the plurality favorite: but not a good sign that the Brexit Party (presumably the “BXP”) is a close runner-up.

Though the volume of the hysterical shrieking from Farage and the hardcore Leave-means-Leave crowd at the prospect of a “Final Say” referendum would be a thing to behold, indeed…..

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gocart mozart  May 21, 2019 • 2:13:59pm
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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 2:14:23pm

re: #26 The Vicious Babushka

Of course this gibbering shitgoblin describes himself as “Christian, conservative”

Fact: minimum wage is livable if you cut out entertainment, alcohol, drug, and eating out costs. Minimum wage isn’t supposed to support a 6 figure lifestyle

where do you live?
what if you have a kid?

minimum wage is also livable if you cut out 2 meals a day, a place to live, and you and your kid never, ever get sick

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:14:32pm

re: #131 Jay C

Nice (I guess) that Labour is the plurality favorite: but not a good sign that the Brexit Party (presumably the “BXP”) is a close runner-up.

Though the volume of the hysterical shrieking from Farage and the hardcore Leave-means-Leave crowd at the prospect of a “Final Say” referendum would be a thing to behold, indeed…..

gonna need a lot more milkshakes…

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 2:17:04pm

As a teenager, I lived for about a year on minimum wage after leaving my parents’ home. Here’s how I did it:

1) I was healthy, with good teeth and an extra pair of glasses. No medical expenses, and no dependents.
2) I already owned a paid-off reliable car, with good MPG.
3) I already owned lots of nice clothes, I could easily go a couple years without having to buy any more.
4) I had friends from before I’d moved out, who invited me to dinner and sent me home with Tupperware full of leftovers.
5) My nice clothes meant I could go to art openings and other parties, eat my fill of cheese and crackers and canapés.
6) I was pretty enough to be asked out to restaurant meals, and could take home doggie bags.

My only expenses were rent, car insurance and gas, and about half my food.

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 2:20:22pm

a word on Justin Amash vis a vis the barrage of all the (mostly politico) stories about dems in disarray

Amash said what he said re impeachment - actually not a totally unreasonable opinon
- he’s already got a primary challenger
- the house freedom caucus, of which he was a founding member, votes to ‘condemn’ him
(he wasnt in attendance)

- THIS is why there are so few R’s in disarray stories.
anybody rocks the boat and they boot ‘em out
anything to maintain the image of total agreement, er purity, er lockstep

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 2:21:26pm

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

meanwhile in the Land of Brexit:

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So in the hypothetical scenario where Jeremy Corbyn was tossed off the White Cliffs of Dover, Labour could win on a Pro-Remain/2nd Ref platform.

That sort of rips the heart out of the “Britons are frustrated over the Tories taking so long to get out of the EU” talking point that May relied upon to continually bash her head against a brick wall.

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 2:21:47pm

re: #130 Backwoods_Sleuth

I stand today on behalf of 8-year old Felipe Gómez Alonzo who died at a CBP⁩ facility on December 24, 2018… Felipe never got a shot at the American dream. His life is gone too soon and his death marks one of the Trump Administration’s greatest failures.

i believe i read that before the trump admin, there hadnt been a custodial detainee death in 10 years

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Jay C  May 21, 2019 • 2:22:40pm

re: #134 Backwoods_Sleuth

gonna need a lot more milkshakes…

Truth.
And speaking of “hardcore Brexit holdouts”: (via BBC):

Theresa May has said MPs have “one last chance” to deliver Brexit, urging them to back what she called a “new deal”.

MPs will get a vote on whether to hold another referendum if they back the EU Withdrawal Agreement Bill, she said.

Of course, the major stumbling-block here is that Mrs. May’s “new” deal is basically the already-thrice-rejected “old” deal. Without even (apparently) the sweetener of her resignation…..

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:28:09pm

(this applies to one of our granddaughters)

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 2:30:11pm

re: #139 Jay C

Truth.
And speaking of “hardcore Brexit holdouts”: (via BBC):

Of course, the major stumbling-block here is that Mrs. May’s “new” deal is basically the already-thrice-rejected “old” deal. Without even (apparently) the sweetener of her resignation…..

“Here, eat this shit sandwich.”

“No.”

“How about this shit sandwich on a nice plate?”

“No!”

“Okay, how about THIS shit sandwich on artisan bread with whole-grain mustard?”

“NO!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:31:24pm
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alert  May 21, 2019 • 2:31:24pm

re: #135 sagehen

I am alert to you already!

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 2:32:46pm

re: #141 Blind Frog Belly White

“Here, eat this shit sandwich.”

“No.”

“How about this shit sandwich on a nice plate?”

“No!”

“Okay, how about THIS shit sandwich on artisan bread with whole-grain mustard?”

“NO!”

“Well, what if I promised you a scoop of ice cream if you’ll eat the shit sandwich?”

“FUCK NO!”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:34:11pm

somebody’s askeert…

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 2:34:35pm

re: #142 Backwoods_Sleuth

Hai. I’m new to Earth..

see and i got “if you dont put me down, one day i’ll rip your leg off”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:35:30pm
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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 2:35:46pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody’s askeert…

….at a conclusion of NO COLLUSION and NO OBSTRUCTION! The Dems were unhappy with the outcome of the $40M Mueller Report, so now they want a do-over.

dood:

show them the entire report, with supporting dox.

then we’ll talk

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:36:12pm

re: #146 DangerMan

see and i got “if you dont put me down, one day i’ll rip your leg off”

murder mittens are prepped and ready to deploy…

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2019 • 2:36:16pm

re: #6 The Vicious Babushka

The problem in this situation is that senate is not a judge, it’s a petulant child.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 2:36:28pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody’s askeert…

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Somebody’s probably not listening to his lawyers.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:37:37pm

re: #151 Blind Frog Belly White

Somebody’s probably not listening to his lawyers.

He knows the law better than any of his lawyers…just ask him…

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jaunte  May 21, 2019 • 2:37:45pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

The Dems were unhappy with the outcome of the $40M Mueller Report, so now they want a do-over.

He’s framing this whole dispute in terms of the way he cheats at golf.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 2:38:08pm

re: #145 Backwoods_Sleuth

somebody’s askeert…

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Yes, how dare the Dems bring in McGahn to expand on testimony he gave previously? How dare they do something like dig deeper into troubling and incriminating testimony?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:39:31pm

heh

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:40:37pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 2:41:19pm

re: #155 Backwoods_Sleuth

heh

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(walks out of hearing room humming “Riding The Storm Out”)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:42:12pm

re: #156 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:44:05pm

there’s a GOP closet that I do NOT WANT TO SEE

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 2:44:45pm

re: #143 alert

I am alert to you already!

Hatchling’s first comment!!

Did you bring beer, and how do you feel about pineapple on pizza?

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2019 • 2:48:27pm

re: #106 Belafon

According to some stuff my dad heard, he was kind of a mediocre brain surgeon. But, being a brain surgeon doesn’t require you to be a car mechanic, so your range of knowledge is rather limited.

His claim to fame was separating conjoined twins. That is an impressive thing, but MDs are very limited expert systems. Surgeons are even less adaptable.

How do you get a surgeon to open a textbook? Tell him there’s a $100 bill inside the book.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 2:48:52pm

still trying to wrap my mind around the idea that it is Very Very Bad to have any kind of opinion about why a woman chooses to have an abortion, even if that reason is that she only wants boys and not girls

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 2:50:14pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 2:53:12pm

re: #159 Backwoods_Sleuth

there’s a GOP closet that I do NOT WANT TO SEE

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Buttigieg should tell that guy to ditch the terrible toupe. Plus ask him to denounce straights doing Reverse Cowgirl.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 2:53:19pm

re: #106 Belafon

According to some stuff my dad heard, he was kind of a mediocre brain surgeon. But, being a brain surgeon doesn’t require you to be a car mechanic, so your range of knowledge is rather limited.

i can think of any number of things my 34 years as a software professional don’t qualify me to be competent at

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2019 • 2:53:21pm

re: #133 DangerMan

where do you live?
what if you have a kid?

A box
No kids allowed. Sex only allowed if you have an income of >$63,273/annum.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 2:54:04pm

re: #161 Colère Tueur de Lapin

His claim to fame was separating conjoined twins. That is an impressive thing, but MDs are very limited expert systems. Surgeons are even less adaptable.

Meat mechanics.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2019 • 2:54:44pm

re: #162 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

still trying to wrap my mind around the idea that it is Very Very Bad to have any kind of opinion about why a woman chooses to have an abortion, even if that reason is that she only wants boys and not girls

I am now able to have that discussion if it starts and ends with affirmation that the pregnant person gets to decide. Usually I am able.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  May 21, 2019 • 2:56:44pm

re: #167 Blind Frog Belly White

Meat mechanics.

Perzactly.

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retired cynic  May 21, 2019 • 2:58:29pm

re: #28 Backwoods_Sleuth

The two senators are taking turns building cred?

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 2:58:47pm

One of those things I love about my generation is we’re simultaneously slammed for avoiding marriage and parenthood…but then told we need to not only pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, but we need to buy those bootstraps at a extortionary cost because otherwise we’re “socialists.”

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:03:01pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

I am now able to have that discussion if it starts and ends with affirmation that the pregnant person gets to decide. Usually I am able.

the situation is that in places where the culture makes having female children less desirable than male children, parents are using modern tech that allows you to determine the gender of the fetus to make a decision to abort female fetuses

i assert that i have a right to have and express an opinion about this

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:07:01pm

re: #172 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the situation is that in places where the culture makes having female children less desirable than male children, parents are using modern tech that allows you to determine the gender of the fetus to make a decision to abort female fetuses

i assert that i have a right to have and express an opinion about this

I’d say there’s a difference between having an opinion on it and believing that the government should have a law excluding this as a reason, or indeed requiring the woman to justify it to the satisfaction of anyone else.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2019 • 3:07:34pm

re: #172 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

the situation is that in places where the culture makes having female children less desirable than male children, parents are using modern tech that allows you to determine the gender of the fetus to make a decision to abort female fetuses

i assert that i have a right to have and express an opinion about this

You are certainly allowed to have an opinion about this. It is almost unstoppable. To express this opinion may have an effect on your social life, depending on several factors. Could be a good effect.

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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:09:52pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

You are certainly allowed to have an opinion about this. It is almost unstoppable. To express this opinion may have an effect on your social life, depending on several factors. Could be a good effect.

Since many opinions are formed in the brain, not the genitalia, the gender of someone holding an opinion shouldn’t always matter. Theoretically.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 3:11:14pm
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wrenchwench  May 21, 2019 • 3:13:07pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Since many opinions are formed in the brain, not the genitalia, the gender of someone holding an opinion shouldn’t always matter. Theoretically.

In theory, there’s no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

—Johannes Lambertus Adriana van de Snepscheut

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unproven innocence  May 21, 2019 • 3:14:39pm

re: #44 Dr Lizardo

Regardless of what Polanski later gained infamy for, the murder of his highly pregnant wife must’ve seriously fucked him up. I can’t even imagine that.

I’m inclined to believe his production of Chinatown was, in some ways, therapy/self-help. He also had a minor on-screen appearance as the thug that intimidated the Private Investigator (Jack Nicholson) by slicing open his nose. No second takes for that particular scene.

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ipsos  May 21, 2019 • 3:15:42pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say there’s a difference between having an opinion on it and believing that the government should have a law excluding this as a reason, or indeed requiring the woman to justify it to the satisfaction of anyone else.

Is there any reason to believe that gender-selection abortion is even a real thing, and not just a scare tactic from the anti-choice brigade?

If one is going to have an opinion about such a thing, it ought at least to have some basis in fact, no?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 3:17:15pm
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gocart mozart  May 21, 2019 • 3:18:16pm
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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:20:20pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

In theory, there’s no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is.

—Johannes Lambertus Adriana van de Snepscheut

Had to look him up. (I always check.) Interesting to have a life that seems like a parody, even after researching.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:22:28pm

re: #173 Blind Frog Belly White

I’d say there’s a difference between having an opinion on it and believing that the government should have a law excluding this as a reason, or indeed requiring the woman to justify it to the satisfaction of anyone else.

that’s what i think, and i believe that ultimately i was able to assert that one thing did not inevitably lead to the other

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:24:17pm

re: #179 ipsos

Is there any reason to believe that gender-selection abortion is even a real thing, and not just a scare tactic from the anti-choice brigade?

If one is going to have an opinion about such a thing, it ought at least to have some basis in fact, no?

yes, it is a real thing

it’s the modern upgrade to the age old practice of getting rid of “inconvenient” daughters in places like india and china

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2019 • 3:24:46pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Had to look him up. (I always check.) Interesting to have a life that seems like a parody, even after researching.

I just learned how he died. You never can tell with those geniuses…

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Patricia Kayden  May 21, 2019 • 3:25:41pm
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alert  May 21, 2019 • 3:26:54pm

re: #160 sagehen
With enough beer in advance who cares!

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:27:28pm

re: #184 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

that’s what i think, and i believe that ultimately i was able to assert that one thing did not inevitably lead to the other

I guess the question I’d have, as mentioned by ipsos above, is “Is this a thing?” I mean, we can have theoretical discussions about “Bad Reasons To Get An Abortion”, but unless someone comes to you and says, “I had an ultrasound and it turns out I’m having a girl, so that fetus is out of luck. What do you think?”, I don’t know that the discussion isn’t largely pointless.

But, you know, largely pointless discussions R Us. Or me, anyhow.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 3:27:37pm
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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:29:19pm

re: #190 Backwoods_Sleuth

this guy is making reproductive health care decisions for women

Is it better when Kay Ivey signs the bill?

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stpaulbear  May 21, 2019 • 3:29:40pm

re: #181 gocart mozart

I always thought that song was by George Benson. Now I know…

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:30:38pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

You are certainly allowed to have an opinion about this. It is almost unstoppable. To express this opinion may have an effect on your social life, depending on several factors. Could be a good effect.

well, i’m not afraid to be flamed

if the basis for abortion is that male children are desirable and female children are not, or that white children are desirable and non white children are not, imho the inviolable right to abortion is being abused

i don’t advocate abridging or limiting anybody’s rights just because i disapprove of how they’re exercising them - that way lies theocracy - but i maintain that i have a right to have and express an opinion

and i don’t like to be told that i DO NOT have a right to have and express an opinion

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 21, 2019 • 3:31:13pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:31:37pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Is it better when Kay Ivey signs the bill?

I read an interesting statistic. There’s not much gender gap on abortion rights, but the most intense feelings on both sides of the question tend to be held by women.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 3:32:57pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Say Joe, still think that removing Trump will mean the days of glorious “bipartisanship” will return?

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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:33:14pm

re: #195 Blind Frog Belly White

I read an interesting statistic. There’s not much gender gap on abortion rights, but the most intense feelings on both sides of the question tend to be held by women.

Get thee behind me, Satan.

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wrenchwench  May 21, 2019 • 3:33:57pm

re: #193 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

well, i’m not afraid to be flamed

if the basis for abortion is that male children are desirable and female children are not, or that white children are desirable and non white children are not, imho the inviolable right to abortion is being abused

i don’t advocate abridging or limiting anybody’s rights just because i disapprove of how they’re exercising them - that way lies theocracy - but i maintain that i have a right to have and express an opinion

and i don’t like to be told that i DO NOT have a right to have and express an opinion

That’s all fine, so long as it ends before you have a RIGHT to know her reason.

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stpaulbear  May 21, 2019 • 3:34:20pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

It’s time to start digging in McConnell’s closet to find something that can get him removed from office after 2020. He’s a complete menace to democracy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:35:03pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

Say Joe, still think that removing Trump will mean the days of glorious “bipartisanship” will return?

I suspect it’s more of a campaign tactic than a belief. He’s trying to appeal to the “Plague on both your houses” sorts who say they just want Congress to work.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:36:06pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

That’s all fine, so long as it ends before you have a RIGHT to know her reason.

how totalitarian a state would we be living in if people were *forced* to publish their reasons for doing things?!

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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:36:12pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

It’s time to start digging in McConnell’s closet to find something that can get him removed from office after 2020. He’s a complete menace to democracy.

Take the Senate, then he can bitch from the minority seats. We’ll need to take it anyway to start reversing this tide of shit.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:36:14pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

It’s time to start digging in McConnell’s closet to find something that can get him removed from office after 2020. He’s a complete menace to democracy.

I can’t post what I think should happen to McConnell.

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Targetpractice  May 21, 2019 • 3:37:03pm

re: #200 Blind Frog Belly White

I suspect it’s more of a campaign tactic than a belief. He’s trying to appeal to the “Plague on both your houses” sorts who say they just want Congress to work.

Agreed, but such can become a liability if the other side makes clear that they’re not gonna have any of that if they lose.

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Belafon  May 21, 2019 • 3:41:38pm

re: #128 The Vicious Babushka

The Minimum Wage guy has MOAR DEEP THINKS

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 21, 2019 • 3:41:56pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

Is it better when Kay Ivey signs the bill?

I dunno…SC governor wants to force women to give birth so the babbies can be adopted out…

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Mike Lamb  May 21, 2019 • 3:42:23pm

re: #194 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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Wholly unsurprising. He could give fuck all about the country or the Constitution.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:42:52pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

It’s time to start digging in McConnell’s closet to find something that can get him removed from office after 2020. He’s a complete menace to democracy.

how is mcconnell not already impeached for violating his constitutional duty to bring a president’s supreme court submission up for a vote?

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:42:55pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I dunno…SC governor wants to force women to give birth so the babbies can be adopted out…

Forced surrogacy.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:43:46pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how is mcconnell not impeached for violating his constitutional duty to bring a president’s supreme court submission up for a vote?

I don’t think impeachment applies to the House or Senate.

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 3:45:07pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

Say Joe, still think that removing Trump will mean the days of glorious “bipartisanship” will return?

Imo he doesn’t believe it for a sec
He’s trying to swing enough votes

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KGxvi  May 21, 2019 • 3:45:12pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how is mcconnell not impeached for violating his constitutional duty to bring a president’s supreme court submission up for a vote?

Members of Congress are not subject to impeachment. Dealing with removing members of Congress are covered in Article I, Section 5:

1: Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

2: Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, punish its Members for disorderly Behaviour, and, with the Concurrence of two thirds, expel a Member.

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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:46:03pm

re: #206 Backwoods_Sleuth

I dunno…SC governor wants to force women to give birth so the babbies can be adopted out…

I doubt Alabama even bothered to come up with a real-world reason. It’s all after-the-fact justification for a naked power consolidation play.

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 3:47:43pm

re: #199 stpaulbear

It’s time to start digging in McConnell’s closet to find something that can get him removed from office after 2020. He’s a complete menace to democracy.

He has a hugely outsized amount of power

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 3:48:05pm
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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:49:54pm

re: #214 DangerMan

He has a hugely outsized amount of power

The Senate itself has a hugely outsized amount of power, and it’s constituted in such a way as to make it increasingly unrepresentative of America.

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dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸  May 21, 2019 • 3:52:14pm

re: #212 KGxvi

Members of Congress are not subject to impeachment. Dealing with removing members of Congress are covered in Article I, Section 5:

what, then, is the remedy for a member of congress who has violated their constitutional duty?

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 3:52:14pm

Oh my

The House Judiciary Committee subpoenaed former White House communications director Hope Hicks for documents and testimony related to its investigation into possible obstruction of justice and public corruption by the Trump administration, Axios reports

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DangerMan  May 21, 2019 • 3:55:10pm

re: #208 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

how is mcconnell not already impeached for violating his constitutional duty to bring a president’s supreme court submission up for a vote?

The most charitable interpretation i read is that not bringing up a nominee does fall under advise and consent

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Jay C  May 21, 2019 • 3:56:17pm

re: #217 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what, then, is the remedy for a member of congress who has violated their constitutional duty?

Apparently, basically nothing: unless, somehow, someone can convince two-thirds of the relevant chamber to vote the “miscreant” out.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:57:28pm

re: #217 dog philosopher ஐஒஔ௸

what, then, is the remedy for a member of congress who has violated their constitutional duty?

Well, the Majority Leader is an elected position, so if the majority no longer supported him, I suppose they could vote him out of that position and even go as far as ejecting him. If the Majority don’t feel he has violated his duty, they won’t do that.

Next, you could beat him in reelection, but that doesn’t seem likely absent a “live boy/dead girl” situation.

The whole ‘checks and balances’ thing is built on the idea that at least one branch of government will be largely run by adults. This is where it fails.

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The Vicious Babushka  May 21, 2019 • 3:57:43pm

Your “Pro-Life” thread of the Day:
The photo is a 9-week ectopic pregnancy, which will cause a woman to bleed to death if it is not removed in time.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 3:58:27pm

re: #219 DangerMan

The most charitable interpretation i read is that not bringing up a nominee does fall under advise and consent

Essentially, he did it, and nobody stopped him, so it’s now accepted practice.

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Decatur Deb  May 21, 2019 • 3:58:36pm

re: #220 Jay C

Apparently, basically nothing: unless, somehow, someone can convince two-thirds of the relevant chamber to vote the “miscreant” out.

The short term for representatives makes the question less important for the House. For the Senate, the Founders just assumed we would never elect a majority of total assholes.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 4:00:20pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

The short term for representatives makes the question less important for the House. For the Senate, the Founders just assumed we would never elect a majority of total assholes.

Oops.

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ipsos  May 21, 2019 • 4:01:53pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Take the Senate, then he can bitch from the minority seats. We’ll need to take it anyway to start reversing this tide of shit.

Take the Senate with the help of a good Kentucky Democrat who can capitalize on Mitch’s profound unlikeability, even at home.

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Blind Frog Belly White  May 21, 2019 • 4:03:52pm

re: #226 ipsos

Take the Senate with the help of a good Kentucky Democrat who can capitalize on Mitch’s profound unlikeability, even at home.

The most galling thing is the oft-used excuse one hears from the Right that”The Democrats would do it if they were in power!” Which is bullshit, because we’ve BEEN in power, and didn’t do that.

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ipsos  May 21, 2019 • 4:05:05pm

re: #224 Decatur Deb

The short term for representatives makes the question less important for the House. For the Senate, the Founders just assumed we would never elect a majority of total assholes.

The Founders never assumed we’d elect senators at all.

(But they no doubt assumed we’d never elect a majority of total assholes at the state legislative level to then appoint assholes to the U.S. Senate. Oops. No doubt the Alabama legislature would be more than thrilled to send Roy Moore to Washington if they had the chance.)

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Patricia Kayden  May 21, 2019 • 4:09:51pm
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Jay C  May 21, 2019 • 4:10:49pm

re: #202 Decatur Deb

Take the Senate, then he can bitch from the minority seats. We’ll need to take it anyway to start reversing this tide of shit.

Yeah, McTurtle’s “screeching halt” threat isn’t going to carry much weight from the Minority side: mainly due to rules he himself initiated. Oh, he can try: but if the Majority (and especially it’s Leader) wants to push something through, they can - now.

Of course, it all depends on the Leader: Chuck Schumer has been a decent-enough Dem Leader in the Minority, IMO*, but it’s times like this that make me miss Harry Reid: he was not only an effective Leader: but a take-no-shit, take-no-prisoners hardass about it. Which I think is going to be what is called for the 117th….

*Possibly a minority opinion, I realize

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 4:16:32pm

re: #189 Blind Frog Belly White

I guess the question I’d have, as mentioned by ipsos above, is “Is this a thing?” I mean, we can have theoretical discussions about “Bad Reasons To Get An Abortion”, but unless someone comes to you and says, “I had an ultrasound and it turns out I’m having a girl, so that fetus is out of luck. What do you think?”, I don’t know that the discussion isn’t largely pointless.

But, you know, largely pointless discussions R Us. Or me, anyhow.

By the time an ultrasound can tell, people have already decided to go to term.

When sex selection is possible (centrifuging sperm to separate boys and girls before artificial insemination, or choosing which embryo at an in vitro)… surprisingly, it seems American parents more often choose girls.

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sagehen  May 21, 2019 • 4:23:43pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Your “Pro-Life” thread of the Day:
The photo is a 9-week ectopic pregnancy, which will cause a woman to bleed to death if it is not removed in time.

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It looks like Groot.

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Belafon  May 21, 2019 • 5:04:09pm

re: #222 The Vicious Babushka

Your “Pro-Life” thread of the Day:
The photo is a 9-week ectopic pregnancy, which will cause a woman to bleed to death if it is not removed in time.

[Embedded content]

And the comments crush her better than any debate ever could.

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Charles Johnson  May 21, 2019 • 5:48:11pm

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