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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2019 • 10:37:10am

CLed:

Just checked in with the fever swamp at Free Republic. Today’s rants center on Ihlan Omar, AOC, and Pelosi, with Jussie Smollett making a strong comeback. Mayor Pete also rates a couple of attacks that make up in venom and hysteria what they lack in numbers. There are a number of things I like about Buttigieg, but the main one is that he sends the Deplorables into frothing, bug-eyed, carpet-biting fits of rage just by existing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 10:39:09am

no big surprise that the moron is impressed

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 10:40:40am
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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2019 • 10:42:46am

Got CL’d on last thread.

RE: Star Trek Picard

I’m a HUGE Trekker/Picard Fan and I’m also stoked to get something that is NOT a prequel.

I’m hoping for some other TNG characters to make an appearance but I don’t want them to go overboard. Riker and Dr. Crusher would be at the top of my list to appear because of their past history with Picard. Data couldn’t because Spiner is too old now (though I suppose they could de-age him).

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 10:43:52am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Got CL’d on last thread.

RE: Star Trek Picard

I’m a HUGE Trekker/Picard Fan and I’m also stoked to get something that is NOT a prequel.

I’m hoping for some other TNG characters to make an appearance but I don’t want them to go overboard…. Data couldn’t because Spiner is too old now (though I suppose they could de-age him).

Planned obsolescence

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 10:44:39am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Got CL’d on last thread.

RE: Star Trek Picard

I’m a HUGE Trekker/Picard Fan and I’m also stoked to get something that is NOT a prequel.

I’m hoping for some other TNG characters to make an appearance but I don’t want them to go overboard. Riker and Dr. Crusher would be at the top of my list to appear because of their past history with Picard. Data couldn’t because Spiner is too old now (though I suppose they could de-age him).

I thought Data is effectively dead.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 10:46:42am

Trump is doing what we rather suspected he was going to do: desperately trying to bribe farmers into sticking with the GOP, despite the long-term damage to their ability to export what they grow:

Another ‘Bale Out’: Trump To Pay ‘Patriot Farmers’ Hurting From His Trade War

When the Trump administration announced last year that it was giving farmers hurt by the President’s multi-front trade war a $12 billion “bale out,” the government insisted it would be a one-time event.

Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue announced the news in an interview Thursday morning with Fox Business Network’s Maria Bartiromo.

“We’re having another market facilitation program in 2019, once these [trade] talks [with China] broke down,” he said.

“China’s going to pay for this $16 billion through tariffs coming in,” Perdue asserted, before confirming that the money would really be coming from his department’s Commodity Credit Corporation program.

The question now is: are farmers dumb enough to buy into all this?

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lawhawk  May 23, 2019 • 10:49:53am

re: #7 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Trump is doing what we rather suspected he was going to do: desperately trying to bribe farmers into sticking with the GOP, despite the long-term damage to their ability to export what they grow:

Another ‘Bale Out’: Trump To Pay ‘Patriot Farmers’ Hurting From His Trade War

The question now is: are farmers dumb enough to buy into all this?

Yes. Yes they are.

They aren’t going to care about where the money comes from so long as they’re made whole. They wont care that Trump caused them the harm in the first place. They think that this will make them whole now (it wont, since they’re likely losing that business going forward).

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rhuarc  May 23, 2019 • 10:50:35am

re: #7 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The question now is: are farmers dumb enough to buy into all this?

Of course they are. They’re Magats after all. That species is not known for having deep intellectual capacity.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 10:50:56am

re: #8 lawhawk

Yes. Yes they are.

They aren’t going to care about where the money comes from so long as they’re made whole. They wont care that Trump caused them the harm in the first place. They think that this will make them whole now (it wont, since they’re likely losing that business going forward).

And they really think it is the Chinese who are paying those import tariffs…

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 10:52:34am

In Kansas, some of the farmers are waking up:

“My biggest frustration is there’s no light at the end of the tunnel. There’s nothing out there giving me a glimmer of hope that commodity prices will increase substantially,” Giessel said. “The Chinese have zero reason to come to the table on this on commodities. Why would they want to do anything different? It’s lowered the price of grains.”

This week soybean prices dropped to a ten-year low of less than $8 a bushel in anticipation of Chinese retaliation to U.S. tariffs next month. Wheat, corn and other Midwest staple crops have also experienced drops in price over the last two years.

“If the stock market took that kind of a blip, there’d be people jumping out of buildings,” said Giessel, vice president of the Kansas Farmers Union.

Trump won both Kansas and Missouri by double digits in 2016 with overwhelming support from farm country, but as the president’s trade war drags on farmers have grown increasingly frustrated.

“Does the Kansas City Star allow you to use the word ‘pissed’?” said Blake Hurst, the president of the Missouri Farm Bureau, when asked how farmers were feeling about the hit to soybeans, the state’s biggest crop.

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Belafon  May 23, 2019 • 10:53:48am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

Got CL’d on last thread.

RE: Star Trek Picard

I’m a HUGE Trekker/Picard Fan and I’m also stoked to get something that is NOT a prequel.

I’m hoping for some other TNG characters to make an appearance but I don’t want them to go overboard. Riker and Dr. Crusher would be at the top of my list to appear because of their past history with Picard. Data couldn’t because Spiner is too old now (though I suppose they could de-age him).

Data was destroyed in the last movie. They could use the “twin”, but it wouldn’t be the same, so hopefully not.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2019 • 10:54:27am

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

I thought Data is effectively dead.

Weeeeellllll…

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 10:56:04am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 10:56:31am

The key grafs come later in the story:

Trump has floated a $15 billion bailout to help farmers hurt by the tariffs. It’s the second straight year the federal government will have to provide billions in assistance to farmers to help them cope with the trade.

Hurst called the prospect of another bailout financially inadequate and psychologically repulsive for farmers in Missouri.

“If they send us a check, we’ll cash it. But no, we’re not going to be happy about it,” Hurst said. “Whatever program they come up with, no way does it cover our losses.”

Giessel said many farmers weren’t made whole by the administration’s previous $12 billion bailout from last year. “They don’t just need to be swinging a bucket of money out here. It better be targeted and it better be a bigger bucket,” Giessel said.

Jenny Burgess, a first generation farmer who grows soybeans, wheat and corn on her farm near Sterling, Kansas, said she and her husband “don’t want to be government-paid farmers” but they’ll have little choice unless the trade dispute resolves.

“We want to stand on our own two feet,” she said.

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Targetpractice  May 23, 2019 • 10:59:11am

The crowd that loved to bellow “GOVERNMENT MOTORS!!!” thinks Trump is awesome because he’s bailed out farmers two years in a row.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 11:00:28am

I grew up on a farm. Both sides of the family were farmers. Went to a school where during recess, we’d wander over to the barbed-wire fence on the north side, next to the swings, and pet the cows who would gather there to stare at us and moo.

Rural farmers have spent the last 50 years being indoctrinated that the “damn gummint!” is the problem. That people who take gummint checks are the worst sort of scum. Freeloaders. Takers, not makers.

It is deeply humiliating for them to take handouts.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:00:37am

re: #16 Targetpractice

The crowd that loved to bellow “GOVERNMENT MOTORS!!!” thinks Trump is awesome because he’s bailed out farmers two years in a row.

IOKIYAR

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lawhawk  May 23, 2019 • 11:04:09am

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Well, had they voted for Clinton, that wouldn’t be a problem. Trump started an idiotic trade war that is costing these farmers dearly.

Clinton wouldn’t have started bulkshit trade wars because she knows how to negotiate without throwing temper tantrums.

Trump’s negotiation style is: extortion, and when that fails, walk out blaming the other side, all while trying to suck up to get them to save face for him.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 11:04:56am

re: #19 lawhawk

Well, had they voted for Clinton, that wouldn’t be a problem. Trump started an idiotic trade war that is costing these farmers dearly.

Clinton wouldn’t have started bulkshit trade wars because she knows how to negotiate without throwing temper tantrums.

Trump’s negotiation style is: extortion, and when that fails, walk out blaming the other side, all while trying to suck up to get them to save face for him.

and then arranging a bailout on someone else’s nickel

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 11:07:19am
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lawhawk  May 23, 2019 • 11:07:24am

Severe t-storm watch in effect for Southern/Central NJ and Eastern PA and down into the greater DC region through 8pm tonight. Special weather statement issued for Sullivan County in upstate NY.

And within the next hour or so, expect more watches and warnings to come into effect around the NYC metro area (and from Philly all the way through to New Haven and up to Albany and Binghamton).

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 11:08:06am

re: #19 lawhawk

Trump’s negotiation style is: extortion, and when that fails, walk out blaming the other side, all while trying to suck up to get them to save face for him.

There’s a clue in the Kansas story that points to how impeachment happens - the farm states need a 67-vote majority to override Trump’s veto on tariffs. The pressure on the GOP senators in Kansas, Missouri, Nebraska, Dakotas, etc. is ramping up. These are states with tiny populations. Even a few thousand vote swing is enough to cost a senator his seat - the one thing that they actually pay attention to.

So: there is an opportunity there for Senate Dems to do some horsetrading; votes for overriding the tariffs in exchange for impeaching Trump, who by then will have completely destroyed the economies of their home states.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:08:07am

This thread from GOP congressman Justin Amash is freaking brutal.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2019 • 11:09:51am

I guess I’m the only one who’s on his last nerve with Democrats who answer questions about Trump’s OBVIOUS, BLATANT racism with waffling like this.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2019 • 11:09:58am

re: #6 Scottish Dragon

I thought Data is effectively dead.

/Trekker Hat on

Yes, Data died at the end of Nemesis.

HOWEVER, there was an extended universe comic book series released in 2009 that depicted events between Nemesis and the 2009 reboot film. I do not know for sure if it’s considered canon but, in that reboot Data was re-integrated by way of B-4 (the android found in Nemesis who he had transferred his memories to) and eventually became Captain of the Enterprise-E. The Picard show will acknowledge the alternate timeline established in the Abrams films, but personally I do feel a Data return is a bit of a stretch in any circumstance.

/Trekker hat off

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2019 • 11:11:07am

Somebody just accused me of being a Russian agent because I tweeted that about Buttigieg. WTF.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 11:13:15am

re: #25 Charles Johnson

I guess I’m the only one who’s on his last nerve with Democrats who answer questions about Trump’s OBVIOUS, BLATANT racism with waffling like this.

Call Trump a racist, and all you get in response is “Democrats are the real racists!” or the like

He just formulated it in a manner that they are too obtuse to counter in any sort of five-word sound byte. I find it a good move.

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Eclectic Cyborg  May 23, 2019 • 11:13:51am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

In defense of Pete, he’s pretty young and I’m sure he has all kinds of advisers and consultants telling him how to handle these questions. I agree with you, he should have just come right out and said it.

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Charles Johnson  May 23, 2019 • 11:14:23am

re: #28 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Call Trump a racist, and all you get in response is “Democrats are the real racists!” or the like

He just formulated it in a manner that they are too obtuse to counter in any sort of five-word sound byte. I find it a good move.

The people he was trying to reach by waffling like this don’t understand and could not possibly care less about that distinction.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:14:44am

re: #27 Charles Johnson

Somebody just accused me of being a Russian agent because I tweeted that about Buttigieg. WTF.

Беги, товарищ! они обнаружили вас!

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Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2019 • 11:15:08am

re: #26 Eclectic Cyborg

/Trekker Hat on

Yes, Data died at the end of Nemesis.

HOWEVER, there was an extended universe comic book series released in 2009 that depicted events between Nemesis and the 2009 reboot film. I do not know for sure if it’s considered canon but, in that reboot Data was re-integrated by way of B-4 (the android found in Nemesis who he had transferred his memories to) and eventually became Captain of the Enterprise-E. The Picard show will acknowledge the alternate timeline established in the Abrams films, but personally I do feel a Data return is a bit of a stretch in any circumstances.

/Trekker hat off

Yeah, I could see a guest appearance by Riker, or Dr. Crusher or (hopefully!) Worf.

But that’s it, really.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 11:15:58am

Call Trump a racist and his supporters will deny it while smiling contentedly in the knowledge that he truly is.

That is the sick part of it all.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:16:38am

re: #33 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Call Trump a racist and his supporters will deny it while smiling contentedly in the knowledge that he is.

Being called a racist is always worse than being a racist in conservaworld.

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plansbandc  May 23, 2019 • 11:17:45am

re: #4 Eclectic Cyborg

I really want to watch it!! We may have to get that channel just for Picard.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 11:18:30am

re: #34 Scottish Dragon

Being called a racist is always worse than being a racist in conservaworld.

They don’t mind it, they just get to respond with “Your a racist!” and get on with whatever they are doing.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2019 • 11:19:52am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2019 • 11:20:31am

This Nazi shit’s gang gets White House press credentials.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:23:32am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This Nazi shit’s gang gets White House press credentials.

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Sounded better in the original German.

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lawhawk  May 23, 2019 • 11:24:55am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2019 • 11:26:45am
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jaunte  May 23, 2019 • 11:28:05am

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

Jenny Burgess, a first generation farmer who grows soybeans, wheat and corn on her farm near Sterling, Kansas, said she and her husband “don’t want to be government-paid farmers” but they’ll have little choice unless the trade dispute resolves.

Putin’s already announced that Russia will supply soybeans to China. So, a resolution of sorts.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 11:29:59am
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jaunte  May 23, 2019 • 11:30:44am

re: #40 lawhawk

Basic conservative business practice of preying on the troops.

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jaunte  May 23, 2019 • 11:31:18am
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2019 • 11:31:26am

Destroying the all-powerful American agricultural sector, invincible in two world wars and the Cold War, would be an ultimate triumph for Putin and the Russians, better than eliminating our submarine force or our airpower.

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:33:09am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 23, 2019 • 11:40:27am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 11:45:57am
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goddamnedfrank  May 23, 2019 • 11:49:02am

re: #47 Scottish Dragon

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:50:56am

re: #50 goddamnedfrank

I’d delete that. It could be interpreted as a death threat.

I was wondering. Its silly satire, but you never know.

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sagehen  May 23, 2019 • 11:52:31am

re: #32 Dr Lizardo

Yeah, I could see a guest appearance by Riker, or Dr. Crusher or (hopefully!) Worf.

But that’s it, really.

The Holodeck brought us Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Leonardo Da Vinci, Sigmund Freud, Mahatma Gandhi, Lord Byron, Socrates. There’s no reason it couldn’t bring us any and all deceased Enterprise crew.

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Rightwingconspirator  May 23, 2019 • 11:53:33am

re: #51 Scottish Dragon

Better safe than sorry. :)

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Scottish Dragon  May 23, 2019 • 11:53:39am

re: #52 sagehen

The Holodeck brought us Shakespeare, Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, Stephen Hawking, Leonardo Da Vinci, Sigmund Freud, Mahatma Gandhi, Lord Byron, Socrates. There’s no reason it couldn’t bring us any and all deceased Enterprise crew.

You left out the Micky Spillane characters.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  May 23, 2019 • 11:54:13am
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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 11:55:17am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Destroying the all-powerful American agricultural sector, invincible in two world wars and the Cold War, would be an ultimate triumph for Putin and the Russians, better than eliminating our submarine force or our airpower.

THIS.

Having spent a lot of time in Russia and Eastern Europe, the one thing that they really, really envy, is the sheer amount of food available in US supermarkets. They can’t quite make that work for themselves.

Disrupting America’s food supply would be a dream come true for Vlad and the rest of the KGB gang that control Russia.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 11:58:18am

Upstream, about Narendra Modi, it appears that he & Trump have in common their wily lizard-brain capacity for detecting and harnessing grievance:

A great majority of Indians, forced to inhabit the vast gap between a glossy democratic ideal and a squalid undemocratic reality, have long stored up deep feelings of injury, weakness, inferiority, degradation, inadequacy and envy; these stem from defeats or humiliation suffered at the hands of those of higher status than themselves in a rigid hierarchy.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  May 23, 2019 • 11:59:19am

Jesus wept. There are even parallels to the RWNJ bot-armies that ceaselessly patrol Twitter:

Modi, backed by some of India’s richest people, managed to return to the political mainstream, and, ahead of the 2014 election, he mesmerized aspiring Indians with a flamboyant narrative about his hardscrabble past, and their glorious future. From the beginning, he was careful to present himself to his primary audience of stragglers as one of them: a self-made individual who had to overcome hurdles thrown in his way by an arrogant and venal elite that indulged treasonous Muslims while pouring contempt on salt-of-the-earth Hindus like himself. Boasting of his 56-inch chest, he promised to transform India into an international superpower and to reinsert Hindus into the grand march of history.

Since 2014, Mr. Modi’s near-novelistic ability to create irresistible fictions has been steadily enhanced by India’s troll-dominated social media as well as cravenly sycophantic newspapers and television channels. India’s online population doubled in the five years of Mr. Modi’s rule.

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Dr. Matt  May 23, 2019 • 11:59:40am

“Life begins at rape”
~Vote GOP 2020

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plansbandc  May 23, 2019 • 12:02:59pm
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Dr Lizardo  May 23, 2019 • 12:07:01pm

Calling it a day. Have a good one, Lizards.

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DangerMan  May 23, 2019 • 12:12:49pm

re: #15 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

The key grafs come later in the story:

Trump has floated a $15 billion bailout to help farmers hurt by the tariffs. It’s the second straight year the federal government will have to provide billions in assistance to farmers to help them cope with the trade.

Hurst called the prospect of another bailout financially inadequate and psychologically repulsive for farmers in Missouri.

“If they send us a check, we’ll cash it. But no, we’re not going to be happy about it,” Hurst said. “Whatever program they come up with, no way does it cover our losses.”

Giessel said many farmers weren’t made whole by the administration’s previous $12 billion bailout from last year. “They don’t just need to be swinging a bucket of money out here. It better be targeted and it better be a bigger bucket,” Giessel said.

Jenny Burgess, a first generation farmer who grows soybeans, wheat and corn on her farm near Sterling, Kansas, said she and her husband “don’t want to be government-paid farmers” but they’ll have little choice unless the trade dispute resolves.

“We want to stand on our own two feet,” she said.

ive seen some of the interviews “i’ve gotta feed my family”, “our livelihood is being threatened; patriotism is taking care of my own”, etc.

they were fine ‘standing on their own two feet’ and voting R as long as it was other people getting the royal screwing

so while i am sensitive to their individual plights, it’s really more of the same old same old, ‘what about mine’

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DangerMan  May 23, 2019 • 12:13:55pm

re: #20 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and then arranging a socialist bailout on someone else’s nickel

just helpin out

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lawhawk  May 23, 2019 • 12:14:59pm
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Decatur Deb  May 23, 2019 • 12:16:07pm

re: #62 DangerMan

ive seen some of the interviews “i’ve gotta feed my family”, “our livelihood is being threatened; patriotism is taking care of my own”, etc.

they were fine ‘standing on their own two feet’ and voting R as long as it was other people getting the royal screwing

so while i am sensitive to their individual plights, it’s really more of the same old same old, ‘what about mine’

Isn’t about individuals or their plights. The bulk of the pelf will go to LLCs on the stock markets, not Old McDonald and his cow.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 23, 2019 • 12:18:17pm
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DangerMan  May 23, 2019 • 12:19:49pm

re: #24 Scottish Dragon

This thread from GOP congressman Justin Amash is freaking brutal.

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so he apparently read the mostly unredacted (all unredacted?) report in detail

and he’s talking about it (which i thought was a no no if you agreed to read it)

ALL the dems should be lining up asking, begging, demanding to read it no differently than amash did
(yes i know ted lieu sent a letter doing exactly that)

let barr say “no”

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 23, 2019 • 12:19:49pm

re: #56 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

THIS.

Having spent a lot of time in Russia and Eastern Europe, the one thing that they really, really envy, is the sheer amount of food available in US supermarkets. They can’t quite make that work for themselves.

Disrupting America’s food supply would be a dream come true for Vlad and the rest of the KGB gang that control Russia.

While we’re considering the effect of Trump’s policies, it is worth remembering that American agriculture is completely dependent on immigrant labor. I am seeing a pattern here.

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ericblair  May 23, 2019 • 12:20:00pm

re: #62 DangerMan

ive seen some of the interviews “i’ve gotta feed my family”, “our livelihood is being threatened; patriotism is taking care of my own”, etc.

they were fine ‘standing on their own two feet’ and voting R as long as it was other people getting the royal screwing

so while i am sensitive to their individual plights, it’s really more of the same old same old, ‘what about mine’

I think taking gummint money (directly) bothers the shit out of many of those farmers. But Trump has forced them to be what they hated. Sort of poetic justice, really.

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DangerMan  May 23, 2019 • 12:23:55pm

re: #43 Backwoods_Sleuth

The White House

@WhiteHouse
“The Mueller Report was conclusive. It said there was no collusion.”

point to where it says that

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Mescalero  May 23, 2019 • 12:28:42pm

Pennsylvania special election the other night. Can you see the problem?
Even though the percentage is pathetic the Democrats do worse time after time. The TV and radio around here along with the print is and has been GOP partisan since I moved here. The problems that begat the urban areas, job loss, loss of home value, expenses, have come here slowly.
And this is who voted.
For Rick Santorum in a cheaper suit with the same bullshit.
Proudly. Have to admit, they get it done.


Mobile can’t turn it.
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plansbandc  May 23, 2019 • 12:30:02pm

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DangerMan  May 23, 2019 • 12:32:42pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

Isn’t about individuals or their plights. The bulk of the pelf will go to LLCs on the stock markets, not Old McDonald and his cow.

oh i know that; just like the ‘regular’ the subsidies have been for years

my point is that they are interviewing old mcdonald - the (apparently) small, individual, about to fail farmers. and their reaction (ones i saw) was:

- i figured to give him a chance (one said deserved). i never thought this would happen
- i’ll never vote for him again because he’s screwing me
(they wont vote dem. my guess is they dont vote)
- my obligation is to my family
(they still dont give a whit for the country or the rest of the people in it)

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Old Liberal  May 23, 2019 • 1:20:04pm

re: #11 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

In Kansas, some of the farmers are waking up:

I feel the same concern for farmers that they show for refugees and minorities. Absolutely fucking none.

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Old Liberal  May 23, 2019 • 1:22:58pm

re: #17 Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)

I grew up on a farm. Both sides of the family were farmers. Went to a school where during recess, we’d wander over to the barbed-wire fence on the north side, next to the swings, and pet the cows who would gather there to stare at us and moo.

Rural farmers have spent the last 50 years being indoctrinated that the “damn gummint!” is the problem. That people who take gummint checks are the worst sort of scum. Freeloaders. Takers, not makers.

It is deeply humiliating for them to take handouts.

And they’ll cover that humiliation by doubling down on “the other”. They can’t stand to look in the mirror.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 23, 2019 • 1:26:52pm

re: #37 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

The FBI has seen a significant rise in the number of white supremacist domestic terrorism cases in recent months, a senior counterterrorism official says

FBI are the real racists!

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Old Liberal  May 23, 2019 • 1:27:50pm

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Destroying the all-powerful American agricultural sector, invincible in two world wars and the Cold War, would be an ultimate triumph for Putin and the Russians, better than eliminating our submarine force or our airpower.

They aren’t destroyed just stripped foreclosed and and sold to rich people who will control price from start to finish.

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gocart mozart  May 23, 2019 • 1:46:47pm

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