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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 8:01:05pm

From the previous thread:

re: #144 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it possible I wonder for Trump to do enough economic damage to make Republicans turn on him?

Nope. Conservatism is a religion, and just as rigid as every other religion.

Trump is their prelate. To go against your pastor or high priest means you are no longer a member of that religion, and they sometimes get violent about it.

It has saints: Reagan being one of the most prominent.

It has creeds.

It has a faith-based position: Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed (compare to “we all fall short of the glory of God”).

It has speech you cannot use. It has dress codes.

In every respect it is a religion, and it’s god is power and money.

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2019 • 8:02:00pm

Before the midterms Don Jr was leading the push to delist suppressors from the National Firearms Act.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 8:03:04pm

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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bd (Emergency!)  May 31, 2019 • 8:10:04pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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And look how many keys he has, he must be important!

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bd (Emergency!)  May 31, 2019 • 8:10:45pm

del

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 8:11:35pm

re: #158 Rocky-in-Connecticut

And let’s remember during the Clinton and Obama era all those Youtube videos from fringe right wing/ Alex Jones types walking through supposed concentration camps being prepared for Conservatives.

A reminder of a rule-of-thumb for conservative politicians and talking heads: It’s projection with those assholes, always.

They said that liberals wanted to do that because that’s what they want to do to us. I am under no illusions that if the country goes full-metal wingnut I’m doomed.

When Canadian Immigration Services asked me “are you planning to stay in Canada” and I thought “why, are you offering?” maybe I should have said it out loud.

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Belafon  May 31, 2019 • 8:13:52pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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As pointed out by a reader, he had five guns.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 8:20:18pm

re: #7 Belafon

As pointed out by a reader, he had five guns.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 8:23:21pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 8:28:17pm

re: #1 Anymouse 🌹

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Nope. Conservatism is a religion, and just as rigid as every other religion.

At least in the US, almost all “conservatives” are deeply tied into Christianity of some sect.

There are a few self-declared atheists who also like to proclaim themselves as “conservative”, but they are the odd duck. There are certainly some closet atheists who hang out in right-wing circles but they do not challenge the religious beliefs of their compatriots.

Part of the reason Pence is going around denying that the “nones” are gaining in share of the US population is that he knows that his supporters are the religious right, a group which must not be confronted with reality.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 8:30:41pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 8:30:52pm

iTunes has to be Apples worst application. Not only are its controls too minimal, the thing eventually crashes for me. Its podcast management is the worse for sure.

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 8:40:06pm

re: #243 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

As I noted above, conservatism is a religion. The prelate of the Republican Party (Trump) has spoken, and now his worshipers must either go along with his declaration ex cathedra or be denied communion (committee appointments, &c) or excommunicated (primaried).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 8:48:36pm
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  May 31, 2019 • 8:52:19pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Duterte made the comments while mocking the body movements of his political opponent Sen. Antonio Trillanes IV during a speech Thursday, Filipino news organization Rappler reported.

Duterte claimed that Trillanes’s movements show he is gay, according to the report, while adding that he was gay before he met his ex-wife Elizabeth Zimmerman.

All these petty strong men show similar traits. No wonder Trump likes Duterte.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 8:52:57pm
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Chrysicat  May 31, 2019 • 8:54:02pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 8:54:32pm
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Chrysicat  May 31, 2019 • 8:55:49pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 8:58:11pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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Now what happens when someone gets behind him and lifts the gun from his ass?

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gocart mozart  May 31, 2019 • 9:01:17pm
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 9:05:50pm

Remember, one of the NRA’s goals is to get the ‘National Hearing Protection Act’ passed, which will remove any restrictions on buying and selling firearm suppresors

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 9:10:30pm

There’s a Denny’s next door and my wife says she wants to take me out to dinner.

Denny’s will do. I’m hangri. Catch y’all in a bit.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 31, 2019 • 9:13:44pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 9:17:50pm

It was bad enough this morning seeing a police shootout by the Chick Fil A across the street from work and then the Virginia Beach incident.

I’ve had it with the assholes in the Tiny Penis Club.

I hope that the New York Attorney General shuts down the Tiny Penis Club and puts it out of business once and for all. And I want those that push guns held liable for the consequences.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 9:38:04pm

Oil futures gonna go up

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goddamnedfrank  May 31, 2019 • 9:40:03pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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Someday that guy is going to fall on his back and break his spine.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 9:43:19pm

re: #27 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

I was just in Flagstaff, there’s a wildfire burning to the east of town. Even after a wet winter, it’s not enough to stop fires. The Pacific Northwest is a freaking tinder box right now, it’s gonna be a very long fire season in some places.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 9:47:35pm

re: #22 gocart mozart

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Michael Tracey is one ducked up fude…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  May 31, 2019 • 9:47:46pm

Oh man, wonder if it’s gonna just be that one flight for that beast

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 9:54:03pm

I would wear the fuck out of this button a rock concerts.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 10:11:51pm
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Sufficient unto the day...  May 31, 2019 • 10:12:35pm

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Anyone want to take a bet on whether he’s got one ankle holster or two?

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 10:23:32pm
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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2019 • 10:30:56pm

Some of the usual suspects are claiming that the Virginia Beach shooter was a registered Democrat. They have apparently pulled this information out of their asses because the only credible source, the Virginia state registration records, requires a partial social security number for access to an individual record.
heavy.com

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Anymouse 🌹  May 31, 2019 • 10:39:38pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Some of the usual suspects are claiming that the Virginia Beach shooter was a registered Democrat. They have apparently pulled this information out of their asses because the only credible source, the Virginia state registration records, requires a partial social security number for access to an individual record.
heavy.com

Democrats: Both the cause of all mass shootings (at least the ones not caused by atheists) and utterly scared of guns. /s

Training conservatives in doublethink requires a lot of hard work and gutting education.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  May 31, 2019 • 10:39:57pm

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  May 31, 2019 • 10:41:21pm
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sagehen  May 31, 2019 • 10:41:23pm

Virginia voters DO. NOT. REGISTER. BY. PARTY.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 11:11:05pm

I miss those halcyon days on Twitter when I just gabbed with ski areas, telling them how much fun I was having.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 11:26:02pm
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Chrysicat  May 31, 2019 • 11:43:16pm

re: #42 teleskiguy

fuck

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Did that glance off his jaw before he caught it?

Nice out either way.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  May 31, 2019 • 11:50:48pm

re: #14 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Philippines president says he “cured” himself of being gay

So he is a self-loathing gay. That explains a lot of why he is such a mean bastard.

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teleskiguy  May 31, 2019 • 11:54:01pm

Some music, from the show I went to at Red Rocks last week.

The Disco Biscuits - 05/25/19 - Red Rocks Amphitheatre, Morrison, CO

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 1:01:24am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 1:01:47am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 1:21:52am

re: #47 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

just add some distorted rock guitar and you get early Santana

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 1:23:54am

Hello from Europe, one and all. Off to do a few things today.

But before I go, I just want to remind everyone that no matter what you may do today, whatever that may be, under no circumstances should anyone here Tweet this to Donald Trump.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 1:43:58am
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 1, 2019 • 2:43:57am
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Chrysicat  Jun 1, 2019 • 2:55:34am
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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 3:53:37am

So I watched the intro to Amazon’s new show Good Omens and all I could think is that they owe a lot to Douglas Adams.

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Chrysicat  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:01:14am

re: #53 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

So I watched the intro to Amazon’s new show Good Omens and all I could think is that they owe a lot to Douglas Adams.

This should come as little surprise; I think he and Pratchett were good friends, and I also think his writing heavily influenced @NeilHimself.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:10:55am

re: #16 teleskiguy

Live on a flood plain behind giant dirt walls …

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:25:36am

re: #4 bd (Emergency!)

And look how many keys he has, he must be important!

Lots of keys is 99% of the time a dead giveaway

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:28:10am

re: #56 Old Liberal

Lots of keys is 99% of the time a dead giveaway

I’ve noticed a lot of them that a huge key pile is something that has way too many things under lock and key. Add in the multiple firearms and you just have to think the guy is paranoid as all get out about other people touching his stuff.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:44:15am

re: #57 Feline Fearless Leader

I’ve noticed a lot of them that a huge key pile is something that has way too many things under lock and key. Add in the multiple firearms and you just have to think the guy is paranoid as all get out about other people touching his stuff.

So sticking a loaf of French bread in his back and yelling “Hands up!”’ is not a good idea?
(First thing that crossed my mind.)

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 4:52:23am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

So sticking a loaf of French bread in his back and yelling “Hands up!”’ is not a good idea?
(First thing that crossed my mind.)

first thing that crossed my mind about shooting off his ass…too late, looks like he already did that

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:10:19am

Good morning!

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Chrysicat  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:12:04am

re: #60 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Mrs. Cardinal there looks singularly unhappy!

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:20:14am

re: #60 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

“You have failed me jeffrey for the last time! We will have the mockingbird insult you continuously. We have no fear of the cat.”
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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:20:23am

I see the Navy now admits there was an email directing them to hide the John McCain. Navy Info tweet earlier said there wasn’t. This isn’t confusion it was coverup. I’m so tired of the glorification of military honor when every day is another example of the rot. Pride goeth before the fall, and those that create and maintain a false facade create a barrier to improvement and self recognition.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:21:42am

re: #63 Old Liberal

I see the Navy now admits there was an email directing them to hide the John McCain. Navy Info tweet earlier said there wasn’t. This isn’t confusion it was coverup. I’m so tired of the glorification of military honor when every day is another example of the rot. Pride goeth before the fall, and those that create and maintain a false facade create a barrier to improvement and self recognition.

The coverup is also with the knowledge that acceding or considering the request at all was not the right decision.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:26:55am

re: #64 Feline Fearless Leader

The coverup is also with the knowledge that acceding or considering the request at all was not the right decision.

Gives a new meaning to the grade “Chief Petty Officer”.

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:40:02am

re: #61 Chrysicat

Mrs. Cardinal there looks singularly unhappy!

Nonsense! She is tickled to be first in line at the best restaurant in town.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:41:02am

Trump and Putin share a tender moment

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:42:13am

Another one:

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jeffreyw  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:46:44am

re: #62 Feline Fearless Leader

[“You have failed me jeffrey for the last time! We will have the mockingbird insult you continuously. We have no fear of the cat.”]

Big talk! Come down here and say that! I’ve given your place at the table to the catbird.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:53:04am

Unleash the Grackle!

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2019 • 5:55:44am

re: #12 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

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iTunes has to be Apples worst application. Not only are its controls too minimal, the thing eventually crashes for me. Its podcast management is the worse for sure.

my personal favorite moments are when I discover that when an album—often one that I loaded from my personal collection—has missing songs, which are absolutely nowhere to be found in either “Purchases” or in my hard-drive Itunes library.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:03:42am

Sources: Kentucky man accused of asking minor for sex is a pastor, business owner

Sources tell WYMT that a man who faces child sexual exploitation charges is a local pastor and business owner.

Bobby “BJ” Blackburn is charged with using an electronic device to try to get a minor to engage in sexual activities. Police said he messaged an employee, who was a minor, and asked her to engage in a “threesome” with another minor, among other obscene messages.

Sources confirmed that Blackburn is the pastor of Elevate Church of Prestonsburg. He also owns the Giovanni’s.

Blackburn turned himself in to police Wednesday but has already bonded out at $5,000.

WYMT interviewed Blackburn in 2016 about his restaurant , which played Christian music and put Bible verses on receipts.

Blackburn is scheduled to appear in court June 19th.

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:08:30am

re: #67 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Trump and Putin share a tender moment

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oh my god! these fuckers edited out a gay sex scene from the Elton John flick, but live in a world where you can raise some random gal’s shirt up and tit-kiss her?

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:11:50am

re: #72 Amory Blaine

Sources: Kentucky man accused of asking minor for sex is a pastor, business owner

As if going to prison for being a pedo won’t be uncomfortable enough, being called BJ is likely not going to help matters.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:20:48am

More than twelve hours have passed and not one word from the orange shit weasel about the Virginia Beach shooting.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:22:06am
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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:22:20am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:23:49am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

More than twelve hours have passed and not one word from the orange shit weasel about the Virginia Beach shooting.

There’s a little turmoil at the NRA right now, they haven’t told Don what to say yet.

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Eventual Carrion  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:24:25am

re: #76 Belafon

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Oh, when the truth can be used as satire.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:25:06am

re: #79 Eventual Carrion

Oh, when the truth can be used as satire.

The line grows thinner every day and one day will totally disappear, along with satire and comedy.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:29:04am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:40:09am

re: #81 Belafon

Ever thought about how many of these right wing assholes are actively praying for RBG to die?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:50:28am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!

Oh wait… I’m not lawhawk. But I’m down in the city for the weekend and couldn’t resist.

And a big FU to the jerk next to me at the Yankees game last night who felt compelled to shout “God Bless America… AND NOBODY ELSE!” during the 7th inning mandatory patriotism break. Ugh.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 6:53:19am

re: #83 ipsos

“Which America?”

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:00:22am

re: #41 teleskiguy

I miss those halcyon days on Twitter when I just gabbed with ski areas, telling them how much fun I was having.

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We all JUST HAD LIVES. I doubt that any of us figured that everyone in government was squeaky clean or holy, but we assumed that most of them were just good people doing their jobs.

What I had the most is that I am torn up with anger and dread all the time. Maybe that makes me like those RWNJ during Obama’s terms, EXCEPT that my fears come true every day, and theirs were just all in their minds.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:02:45am

re: #49 Dr Lizardo

Hello from Europe, one and all. Off to do a few things today.

But before I go, I just want to remind everyone that no matter what you may do today, whatever that may be, under no circumstances should anyone here Tweet this to Donald Trump.

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Is that a Boris Johnson look-a-like or actually him?

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:03:45am

re: #72 Amory Blaine

Sources: Kentucky man accused of asking minor for sex is a pastor, business owner

This image is gonna get a lot of use, I think.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:05:50am

re: #86 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Is that a Boris Johnson look-a-like or actually him?

That is in fact Boris Johnson saying that.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:08:26am

re: #88 Dr Lizardo

That is in fact Boris Johnson saying that.

That was back during the London Olympics, wasn’t it?

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i(m)p(each)sos  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:08:55am

re: #84 Belafon

“Which America?”

Not mine, apparently.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:11:31am

re: #89 retired cynic

That was back during the London Olympics, wasn’t it?

Apparently it’s from 2015.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:14:44am

re: #75 Eclectic Cyborg

More than twelve hours have passed and not one word from the orange shit weasel about the Virginia Beach shooting.

Was the gunman an undocumented immigrant or a Muslim? If not, he doesn’t care.

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:22:51am

re: #81 Belafon

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:31:24am

re: #93 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Mconnell really does have one of the most punchable faces in politics.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:45:42am

*SPIT*

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Teddy's Person  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:45:44am

re: #83 ipsos

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!

Oh wait… I’m not lawhawk. But I’m down in the city for the weekend and couldn’t resist.

And a big FU to the jerk next to me at the Yankees game last night who felt compelled to shout “God Bless America… AND NOBODY ELSE!” during the 7th inning mandatory patriotism break. Ugh.

I haven’t been to a baseball game in a very, very long time, but I thought the 7th inning strech was for singing Take me Out to the Ballgame. Has that changed? Do they now sing God Bless America?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:50:53am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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I know the sentiment is hollow as fuck, but I’m still surprised at the lack of “thoughts and prayers”.

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makeitstop  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:53:04am

re: #96 Teddy’s Person

I haven’t been to a baseball game in a very, very long time, but I thought the 7th inning strech was for singing Take me Out to the Ballgame. Has that changed? Do they now sing God Bless America?

Blame Steinbrenner for that. The Yanks started it after 9/11.

They originally used Kate Smith’s version, but changed to a different version because Kate Smith was apparently a racist.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 7:59:23am

You know another thing I’ve come to hate about mass shootings? The way everyone canonizes the first responders while continuing to do fuck all to actually help make their jobs less dangerous.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:03:03am

re: #72 Amory Blaine

Sources: Kentucky man accused of asking minor for sex is a pastor, business owner

Of course the christians say that anyone can fail because of el diablo but jeebus washes him clean of everything including being a hypocrite and a bigot as long as he feels bad about it and asks for forgiveness. What a system

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:04:58am

re: #82 Eclectic Cyborg

Ever thought about how many of these right wing assholes are actively praying for RBG to die?

Fortunately there is nothing listening.

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Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:05:46am

re: #101 Old Liberal

Fortunately there is nothing listening.

If there was Trump would have been dead by now.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:07:53am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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Isn’t the federal government always the problem not the solution? St. Ronald of Reagan established that. Why is drumpf offering Federal “help”?

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:09:13am

re: #99 Eclectic Cyborg

You know another thing I’ve come to hate about mass shootings? The way everyone canonizes the first responders while continuing to do fuck all to actually help make their jobs less dangerous.

Yes plus all the “hero” stories they try to dig up so instead of a tragedy it becomes a feel good moment

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:10:34am

re: #103 Old Liberal

Isn’t the federal government always the problem not the solution? St. Ronald of Reagan established that. Why is drumpf offering Federal “help”?

There is no help.

The NRA makes sure of that.

It’s just empty words.

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William Lewis  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:11:22am

re: #100 Old Liberal

Of course the christians say that anyone can fail because of el diablo but jeebus washes him clean of everything including being a hypocrite and a bigot as long as he feels bad about it and asks for forgiveness. What a system

Well, one kind of fundamentalist would. Another kind would say that it’s proof he’s not one of the chosen since they’d never get thrown in jail. There’s a lot of various heresies out there for Fundies to choose from.

Now, God does forgive everyone. But that’s just the beginning of it. I’d say he’s got a lot of work ahead of him if he truly repents and wants to repair the damage he’s done in the name of God since that’s what God actually expects of us.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:12:53am

re: #104 Old Liberal

Yes plus all the “hero” stories they try to dig up so instead of a tragedy it becomes a feel good moment

Yep.

- Person A is a hero because he barricaded a door to keep the attacker out.

- Person B is a hero because she helped get some kids out of the building to safety.

- Person C (now deceased) is a hero for using their body to shield other would be victims.

- Person D (now deceased) is a hero for bravely charging the gunman and trying to stop the attack.

And on.

And on.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:14:39am

re: #106 William Lewis

Well, one kind of fundamentalist would. Another kind would say that it’s proof he’s not one of the chosen since they’d never get thrown in jail. There’s a lot of various heresies out there for Fundies to choose from.

Now, God does forgive everyone. But that’s just the beginning of it. I’d say he’s got a lot of work ahead of him if he truly repents and wants to repair the damage he’s done in the name of God since that’s what God actually expects of us.

So many versions. Everyone can have one that fits them.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:15:12am

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep.

- Person A is a hero because he barricaded a door to keep the attacker out.

- Person B is a hero because she helped get some kids out of the building to safety.

- Person C (now deceased) is a hero for using their body to shield other would be victims.

- Person D (now deceased) is a hero for bravely charging the gunman and trying to stop the attack.

And on.

And on.

Exactly. It’s sick.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:17:28am

re: #107 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep.

- Person A is a hero because he barricaded a door to keep the attacker out.

- Person B is a hero because she helped get some kids out of the building to safety.

- Person C (now deceased) is a hero for using their body to shield other would be victims.

- Person D (now deceased) is a hero for bravely charging the gunman and trying to stop the attack.

And on.

And on.

Boy are we lucky some asshole killed a bunch of people. So much positive came out of it. We need more mass murders.
Spit

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:18:29am

I just looked it up. There is NO waiting period for someone to buy a weapon assuming a lame ass background check (which often only takes a few minutes) is passed. Assuming someone has no criminal record at the time, that’s an easy hurdle to clear. It becomes even easier if said someone exploits the “gun show loophole” to dodge the background check.

So person A has a bad few months at work and is eventually fired. Person A has no criminal record and some cash in his pocket. In his anger, person A walks down to the nearest gun store and, in a few minutes time, buys several assault rifles, silencers and high capacity magazines, along with ammunition. The next day Person A goes to his former workplace and starts mowing people down.

Is there any other developed country in the world where a person can get a hold of so many powerful weapons so quickly and with so little scrutiny?

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DangerMan  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:19:17am

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:20:03am

re: #110 Old Liberal

Boy are we lucky some asshole killed a bunch of people. So much positive came out of it. We need more mass murders.
Spit

Our Tree of Liberty is sure well-watered, ain’t it?

/

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DangerMan  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:21:54am

re: #3 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Don’t bother going with the “he shot his ass off” theme, it’s been done.
Repeatedly

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Its probably been said

Not only five guns, five worthless guns

He just got “shot” by a camera and likely didn’t even know it
(Until he saw his ass plastered all over Twitter)

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NO SMOCKING GUN!  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:21:58am

re: #96 Teddy’s Person

I haven’t been to a baseball game in a very, very long time, but I thought the 7th inning strech was for singing Take me Out to the Ballgame. Has that changed? Do they now sing God Bless America?

Last Summer I was at Wrigley and they played “Take me out to the ballgame.”

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DangerMan  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:24:06am

re: #63 Old Liberal

I see the Navy now admits there was an email directing them to hide the John McCain. Navy Info tweet earlier said there wasn’t. This isn’t confusion it was coverup. I’m so tired of the glorification of military honor when every day is another example of the rot. Pride goeth before the fall, and those that create and maintain a false facade create a barrier to improvement and self recognition.

This is their way
There’s now so many versions of the story there’s no way to know which is true

..shrug…

They do this with -every- issue

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:27:20am

re: #116 DangerMan

Yep. Hard to find the truth in an endless avalanche of lies.

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DangerMan  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:28:09am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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Spoke to Virginia Governor @RalphNortham last night, and the Mayor and Vice Mayor of Virginia Beach this morning, to offer condolences to that great community. The Federal Government is there, and will be, for whatever they may need. God bless the families and all!

What we need is to prevent the next one

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:28:16am

re: #115 NO SMOCKING GUN!

Last Summer I was at Wrigley and they played “Take me out to the ballgame.”

that’s been the tradition there forever.
if they stopped, Harry Caray would come back to haunt them

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:29:15am

re: #118 DangerMan

What we need is to prevent the next one

Or at a bare minimum make it a LOT harder to carry out.

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sagehen  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:29:21am

William Weld was on Real Time last night, did pretty well.

Maher: but do you really think you have a chance? Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is incredibly high.
Weld: 7 months is a long time in politics. A lot can happen between now and when primary voting starts.

Gov. William Weld | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:32:40am

Good Thread

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sagehen  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:33:24am

re: #118 DangerMan

What we need is to prevent the next one

Apparently the shooter bought a bunch of weapons, and the silencer, and a substantial amount of ammo, all in the last few weeks.

If background checks were computerized, and buying lots in a short time would throw up red flags (the Vegas shooter had a similar purchase history)… that would indeed prevent some shootings.

There’s a thousand valid reasons why somebody might need fertilizer, all of which are totally legal, but if I were to try to buy 800 pounds at a time someone would take notice. Law enforcement would look into it.

There’s a thousand valid reasons why somebody might need cough syrup, all of which are totally legal, but if I were to try to buy a couple of cases at a time someone would take notice. Law enforcement would look into it.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:34:13am

re: #122 retired cynic

Good Thread

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In response:

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:34:47am

And an interesting take on the Brexit Mess

washingtonmonthly.com

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:40:51am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:43:09am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

I’m sure recently re-elected PM Modi will just be delighted at that little bit of news.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:46:18am

re: #117 Eclectic Cyborg

Yep. Hard to find the truth in an endless avalanche of lies.

And it desensitizes one for the truth, so it becomes even more difficult. But the truth just doesn’t care. And it always gets you.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:49:17am

re: #126 Backwoods_Sleuth

Jesus, he really is trying to piss off the whole world except for Israel, the Philippines, North Korea, Russia, Turkey and Brazil.

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:51:15am

re: #95 Backwoods_Sleuth

*SPIT*

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it’s Virginia. There were wonderful people on both sides of that shooting.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:52:14am

re: #122 retired cynic

Good Thread

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I get what Huder is saying here and it’s a well reasoned argument.

My concern is this: If the Democrats (and we have to except this as a reasonable possibility) do NOT move to Impeach Trump does that not send the message to ANY future Republican President that yes, you CAN get away with all of these insane things and the other side will not try to stop you.

Think about what someone smarter and more conniving than Trump could do under that kind of precedent.

What more exactly does Trump need to do that causes enough Democrats to get on board and say: “Okay, we need to impeach this motherfucker”?

Or maybe Pelosi is hoping Dems take the Senate in 2020 and make a stronger show of impeachment proceedings that way?

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steve_davis  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:52:34am

re: #111 Eclectic Cyborg

I just looked it up. There is NO waiting period for someone to buy a weapon assuming a lame ass background check (which often only takes a few minutes) is passed. Assuming someone has no criminal record at the time, that’s an easy hurdle to clear. It becomes even easier if said someone exploits the “gun show loophole” to dodge the background check.

So person A has a bad few months at work and is eventually fired. Person A has no criminal record and some cash in his pocket. In his anger, person A walks down to the nearest gun store and, in a few minutes time, buys several assault rifles, silencers and high capacity magazines, along with ammunition. The next day Person A goes to his former workplace and starts mowing people down.

Is there any other developed country in the world where a person can get a hold of so many powerful weapons so quickly and with so little scrutiny?

“Purpose of gun purchase?”
“Gonna kill a whole bunch of fuckers.”
“Okay, well, just check ‘other’ on the form.”

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:54:22am

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

I get what Huder is saying here and it’s a well reasoned argument.

My concern is this: If the Democrats (and we have to except this as a reasonable possibility) do NOT move to Impeach Trump does that not send the message to ANY future Republican President that yes, you CAN get away with all of these insane things and the other side will not try to stop you.

Think about what someone smarter and more conniving than Trump could do under that kind of precedent.

What more exactly does Trump need to do that causes enough Democrats to get on board and say: “Okay, we need to impeach this motherfucker”?

Or maybe Pelosi is hoping Dems take the Senate in 2020 and make a stronger show of impeachment proceedings that way?

Democrats are not moving fast enough.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:55:04am

re: #132 steve_davis

“Purpose of gun purchase?”
“Gonna kill a whole bunch of fuckers.”
“Okay, well, just check ‘other’ on the form.”

Couldn’t it be a way to trip an alarm, if someone buys a lot of ammo and weapons at once, like preliminary registration, it results in a welfare check from law enforcement?

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:55:52am

re: #130 steve_davis

it’s Virginia. There were wonderful people on both sides of that shooting.

Well the shooter was a black guy, so…

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:56:52am

small gubmint…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:57:14am

re: #130 steve_davis

it’s Virginia. There were wonderful people on both sides of that shooting.

Something I ran across in the Intertubes: Turkey is a major source of imported weapons, shotguns, rifles and handguns to the US:

In terms of importation of shotguns, the #1 country of origin is Turkey: 441,332 shotguns. No other country is close. When it comes to importation of all firearm types into the U.S., Turkey is in 4th place. Check out the import numbers from 2012.

Firearms Imported into the United States by Country of Manufacture in 2012 (Source: United States International Trade Commission)

* Brazil: 886,814 (444,346 handguns, 316,577 rifles, 125,891 shotguns)

* Austria: 832,381 (821,522 handguns, 8,620 rifles, 2,239 shotguns)

* Germany: 521,967 (414,471 handguns, 103,972 rifles, 3,524 shotguns)

* Turkey: 477,804 (35,997 handguns, 475 rifles, 441,332 shotguns)

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 8:57:19am

re: #132 steve_davis

Homer Buys a Gun

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Scottish Dragon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:00:06am

re: #122 retired cynic

Good Thread

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Disagree

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:02:16am

The Fox News comment section on the Virginia Beach shooting is exactly what you’d expect…

Also, there’ s plenty of blathering about: “Who cares about these 11 people?? Hundreds of babies died yesterday at clinics all over the country!”

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:04:18am

Frank Lucas, the man who inspired Ridley Scott’s American Gangster, has passed away at the age of 88.

bbc.com

You know, I’m surprised no one’s ever made a film about Frank Matthews - he was not only a major player in the US narcotics trade, but he may well be the one criminal who truly got away it.

He disappeared in 1973 after making bail. He fled the US with somewhere around $15 to $20 million dollars in cash* and his girlfriend…..and he’s never been seen again.

* that’d be around between $86 million to $115 million in 2019 dollars, by the way. Nice little haul - that’d make for a sweet permanent vacation…..as well as buying citizenship somewhere and an entirely new identity.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:08:00am

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

I get what Huder is saying here and it’s a well reasoned argument.

My concern is this: If the Democrats (and we have to except this as a reasonable possibility) do NOT move to Impeach Trump does that not send the message to ANY future Republican President that yes, you CAN get away with all of these insane things and the other side will not try to stop you.

Think about what someone smarter and more conniving than Trump could do under that kind of precedent.

What more exactly does Trump need to do that causes enough Democrats to get on board and say: “Okay, we need to impeach this motherfucker”?

Or maybe Pelosi is hoping Dems take the Senate in 2020 and make a stronger show of impeachment proceedings that way?

There isn’t a cell in my body that believes that anything Democrats dig up will cause the GOP controlled senate to do anything other than shuffle impeachment into the trashcan. And then the story becomes about how Democrats went after the president because he’s a Republican and since they failed to remove him from office, Trump is exonerated (where have we heard that recently).

I do believe that we can convince a lot of people that that side is seriously corrupt, but this will require one major component: People to be paying attention. And there’s a reason most presidential campaigns begin in earnest after Labor Day: Because the summer is when people are paying the least amount of attention.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:11:46am

Congress has to play the role of State Prosecutor, and no prosecutor is going to start a case without some reasonable expectation of winning.

Granted, the calculus is somewhat different in this setting.

And may change radically when more information on Trump comes to light as the result of other related ongoing investigations.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:12:30am
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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:16:31am

As a resident of Virginia Beach, I should note that we just had newspaper articles last month about the anniversary of the Virginia Tech Shooting. And that I can’t turn on the local news channels any day of the week without the latest “breaking news” being yet another shooting or police investigations into a recent shooting. We had a huge festival here in VAB at the end of April that fell on what is traditionally a very busy week due to the huge college crowd, and the city was thrilled when it learned that all the added security meant this was the first such “College Beach Weekend” that didn’t end with one or more shootings.

To give you an idea of how myopic viewpoints are, there was a shooting less than a week ago in the neighboring city of Chesapeake that left 1 dead and 9 wounded. But you didn’t hear that on the national news last week because the cops don’t consider a “mass shooting” as it was two groups shooting at each other rather than one guy with a Rambo complex.

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sagehen  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:17:00am

John Waters’ best line on Real Time (when asked for examples of his sorts of jokes)…

“Stormy Daniels’ lawyer is very handsome, he’ll do well in jail.”

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Skip Intro  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:18:21am

re: #129 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if Obama knew that he could just operate as a dictator and completely ignore Congress on everything?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:19:40am
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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:20:48am

re: #147 Skip Intro

I wonder if Obama knew that he could just operate as a dictator and completely ignore Congress on everything?

You can only get away with that sort of shit if you’re a rich old white guy.

Obama?

The wingnuts/GOP would’ve instantly started comparing him to Idi Amin.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:21:19am

re: #142 Belafon

There isn’t a cell in my body that believes that anything Democrats dig up will cause the GOP controlled senate to do anything other than shuffle impeachment into the trashcan. And then the story becomes about how Democrats went after the president because he’s a Republican and since they failed to remove him from office, Trump is exonerated (where have we heard that recently).

They already say that he’s being targeted because he’s a Republican, he already says he’s been exonerated, so if those are the biggest impediments than we just need to stop talking about impeachment because he’s already won.

I do believe that we can convince a lot of people that that side is seriously corrupt, but this will require one major component: People to be paying attention. And there’s a reason most presidential campaigns begin in earnest after Labor Day: Because the summer is when people are paying the least amount of attention.

This doesn’t sound like an impeachment strategy, this sounds like an election strategy. And that is the issue that is being brought up, that if we just treat this as a case of run-of-the-mill corruption, that nothing Trump has done is worthy of impeachment, then the next Republican in line may very well be a far more insidious bastard who builds on the precedents set. We’re very much in danger of saying that stealing an election with foreign assistance, and then covering up such through methods such as suborning perjury, are acceptable if we don’t have 67 Democrats in the Senate to vote to convict.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:21:20am

re: #147 Skip Intro

I wonder if Obama knew that he could just operate as a dictator and completely ignore Congress on everything?

Not so. That requires… what’s the word… oh, yes, collusion… by Congress (or at least the majority party) and he didn’t have it.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:28:40am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

Ninety-eight years ago on May 31-June 1, Greenwood—a Black neighborhood in Tulsa, OK—burned. White vigilantes, who believed wanted to believe a Black youth assaulted a young woman, descended on the town, burning homes, looting businesses and killing unarmed people.

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:29:03am

re: #144 Backwoods_Sleuth

The show was tentatively set to debut this year. However, after WGN’s parent company, Tribune Media, was purchased by Sinclair Broadcast Group in 2017, Underground and the other shows in the network’s prestige TV lineup were abruptly canceled.

Now why does THAT name not surprise me?

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:31:10am

re: #131 Eclectic Cyborg

I get what Huder is saying here and it’s a well reasoned argument.

My concern is this: If the Democrats (and we have to except this as a reasonable possibility) do NOT move to Impeach Trump does that not send the message to ANY future Republican President that yes, you CAN get away with all of these insane things and the other side will not try to stop you.

Think about what someone smarter and more conniving than Trump could do under that kind of precedent.

What more exactly does Trump need to do that causes enough Democrats to get on board and say: “Okay, we need to impeach this motherfucker”?

Or maybe Pelosi is hoping Dems take the Senate in 2020 and make a stronger show of impeachment proceedings that way?

I think we are ALL, every one of us, wanting to see this “thing” impeached and imprisoned for the rest of his unnatural life. The ONLY question is, who best to get it done. And I’m not smart enough to know. I want it to happen NOW, but I have to trust Nancy to get it done right.

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:32:36am

re: #139 Scottish Dragon

Disagree

I know.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:33:43am

re: #154 retired cynic

Watching him and that inept staff fight impeachment and trying to get re elected at the same time makes impeachment worthwhile.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:36:07am

Personally, I think Pelosi pissed away any good will on impeachment months ago. From the moment she started the “He’s not worth impeaching” bit, she lost any chance to argue that it was about holding Trump accountable for his crimes to get elected and avoid investigations into such. Now it’s turning into an argument over whether or not he can impede investigations by Congress into his personal life and that’s not going to win much sympathy from a public who’ve watched presidents bombarded by such partisan infighting. There was too much hope put into Bob Mueller being the savior of the Republic and not enough in preparing for what to do if he didn’t live up to that role.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:37:16am

re: #157 Targetpractice

Mueller did what he was supposed to do.

The problem is the people who were supposed to take what Mueller did and do what THEY are supposed to do…didn’t.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:38:15am

re: #150 Targetpractice

This doesn’t sound like an impeachment strategy, this sounds like an election strategy. And that is the issue that is being brought up, that if we just treat this as a case of run-of-the-mill corruption, that nothing Trump has done is worthy of impeachment, then the next Republican in line may very well be a far more insidious bastard who builds on the precedents set. We’re very much in danger of saying that stealing an election with foreign assistance, and then covering up such through methods such as suborning perjury, are acceptable if we don’t have 67 Democrats in the Senate to vote to convict.

Nearly every argument being made by the “impeachment now” side is about how it will help with next year’s election. Mine isn’t any different. Most of the argument is over when the best time to do it is. And if you think impeachment without conviction will actually cause Trump or McConnell to become scared of the rule of law, then I don’t know what to say. The only real force right now is next year’s elections.

Impeachment and conviction is not a legal rememdy for anything, only a political one. All you’re punishing people with is that they cannot hold a political office. What it corrects is the fact that the person should not be in office. But, since we will not get 20 GOP senators to convict him, he will remain in office.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:38:55am

re: #158 Eclectic Cyborg

Mueller did what he was supposed to do.

The problem is the people who were supposed to take what Mueller did and do what THEY are supposed to do…didn’t.

Hence why I said that he was seen as the “savior of the Republic” by too many. I and others commented on such prior to the Report’s release, that there was too much hope that in it would be the silver bullet that led to immediate impeachment and the end of Trump’s presidency. But there wasn’t, because that’s not who Bob Mueller is and that’s not how he does things. We wanted a Ken Starr and were shocked that that’s not what we got.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:40:18am

re: #157 Targetpractice

Personally, I think Pelosi pissed away any good will on impeachment months ago. From the moment she started the “He’s not worth impeaching” bit, she lost any chance to argue that it was about holding Trump accountable for his crimes to get elected and avoid investigations into such. Now it’s turning into an argument over whether or not he can impede investigations by Congress into his personal life and that’s not going to win much sympathy from a public who’ve watched presidents bombarded by such partisan infighting. There was too much hope put into Bob Mueller being the savior of the Republic and not enough in preparing for what to do if he didn’t live up to that role.

They are scared. I don’t blame them, but we need courage. Now more than ever.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:41:38am

re: #160 Targetpractice

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:42:16am

re: #159 Belafon

Nearly every argument being made by the “impeachment now” side is about how it will help with next year’s election. Mine isn’t any different. Most of the argument is over when the best time to do it is. And if you think impeachment without conviction will actually cause Trump or McConnell to become scared of the rule of law, then I don’t know what to say. The only real force right now is next year’s elections.

Impeachment and conviction is not a legal rememdy for anything, only a political one. All you’re punishing people with is that they cannot hold a political office. What it corrects is the fact that the person should not be in office. But, since we will not get 20 GOP senators to convict him, he will remain in office.

Perhaps the reason it appears as a political remedy is because it’s intended to be one. I don’t give much of a fuck if Trump ends up in prison, I care that means by which he took office are addressed and a precedent set that such will never be tolerated in our Republic. Voting him out of office won’t do that, it will just mean that the next guy who comes along will have to be better at covering his tracks. The significance of Watergate in our political landscape was not that we got an unpopular president out of office, it was that illegal acts would not be tolerated as a means of attaining the office. We are in very real danger of undoing that precedent simply because we fear that voters will become sympathetic for a crook.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:43:16am

Beauty break anyone? Stunning landscapes of waves.

petapixel.com

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:46:15am

There’s a lot of talk of holding future presidents accountable, but what do you do when one of the party’s is not going to hold the president accountable? And when the voters of that party have signaled that they either don’t want him held accountable, or don’t care, just so long as they get their abortion ban, gays shoved back into the closet, and minorities scared again.

Our compact requires that most participating members agree to follow the rules, because just waving the constitution around does nothing. And our constitution favors small, organized groups, over large, disorganized ones.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:48:45am
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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:49:12am

re: #163 Targetpractice

Perhaps the reason it appears as a political remedy is because it’s intended to be one. I don’t give much of a fuck if Trump ends up in prison, I care that means by which he took office are addressed and a precedent set that such will never be tolerated in our Republic. Voting him out of office won’t do that, it will just mean that the next guy who comes along will have to be better at covering his tracks. The significance of Watergate in our political landscape was not that we got an unpopular president out of office, it was that illegal acts would not be tolerated as a means of attaining the office. We are in very real danger of undoing that precedent simply because we fear that voters will become sympathetic for a crook.

That’s the lesson the GOP took from Nixon being impeached.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:49:31am

re: #159 Belafon

Nearly every argument being made by the “impeachment now” side is about how it will help with next year’s election….

The best time already passed. It was the morning after he fired Comey. Now we just have to cope with what we have. Homeland security as a child kidnapping ring. Foreign policy as a matter of personal presidential ego and entrapped compromise. Tweetstorms that make the descriptive term shitstorm wildly inadequate. A split legislature, a crowded election field. And a massive Russia based interference program.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:50:49am

re: #167 Belafon

That’s the lesson the GOP took from Nixon being impeached.

I don’t think the Senate will defect and turn on Trump the way the did on Nixon, regardless of what sort of evidence comes up, be it a pee tape or tax returns that show that he is deeply in debt to foreign interests.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:52:55am

re: #169 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

I don’t think the Senate will defect and turn on Trump the way the did on Nixon, regardless of what sort of evidence comes up, be it a pee tape or tax returns that show that he is deeply in debt to foreign interests.

Oh they would. But I doubt anything short of the foreign interests owning Trump doing a Pearl Harbor sort of attack with clear fingerprints would incentivize them….

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:52:59am
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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:55:50am
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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:55:51am
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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:56:28am

re: #165 Belafon

There’s a lot of talk of holding future presidents accountable, but what do you do when one of the party’s is not going to hold the president accountable? And when the voters of that party have signaled that they either don’t want him held accountable, or don’t care, just so long as they get their abortion ban, gays shoved back into the closet, and minorities scared again.

Our compact requires that most participating members agree to follow the rules, because just waving the constitution around does nothing. And our constitution favors small, organized groups, over large, disorganized ones.

Do you think Republicans really wanted to impeach Nixon? Of course not, he was their guy who’d just won in a “landslide” two years prior. They were fully prepared to go to bat for him…until the stench of his presidency became so great through the constant pounding of impeachment hearings that to follow him off that cliff would have meant consignment to the political wilderness for a generation or longer. The Dems had backed them into a corner and made it clear they would impeach, the only question for the Repubs was would they protect their president or their party.

Now here we are, in the same position, only now it’s the Dems who are scared of their own shadows. There’s a thoroughly unpopular president, a damning list of crimes, and yet they feel pressured to do nothing because that’s the “safer” course. And hey, painting Trump as a corrupt bastard very well may be that, it might sway enough people to win the election next year. But it could also turn into a major liability, turned into our own “Benghazi!” that makes him look less like a crook and more like the victim of a partisan campaign. I personally look forward to the squirming and murmuring from our frontrunner Joe when he’s asked aloud on live TV if he feels Donny deserves to be impeached.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:56:40am

re: #172 Teukka

Hold on, I got my tiny violin over here somewhere…

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retired cynic  Jun 1, 2019 • 9:57:25am

re: #172 Teukka

HOORAY!!!

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mmmirele  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:00:43am

Personal news…

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William Lewis  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:02:37am

So after the annoucment it might not be safe to wear a kippa in Germany, their leading tabloid Bild printed this:

But this week, the newspaper ran a kippah on its front page: a Jewish skullcap, which signifies reverence for God above. It’s blue and white, with Stars of David. Readers could cut out the kippah and wear it.

“Wear it, so that your friends and neighbors can see it,” wrote Julian Reichelt, the paper’s editor-in-chief. “Explain to your children what the kippah is. … Post a photograph with the kippah on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. Go out onto the streets with it.”

npr.org

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:03:08am

re: #174 Targetpractice

Do you think Republicans really wanted to impeach Nixon? Of course not, he was their guy who’d just won in a “landslide” two years prior. They were fully prepared to go to bat for him…until the stench of his presidency became so great through the constant pounding of impeachment hearings that to follow him off that cliff would have meant consignment to the political wilderness for a generation or longer. The Dems had backed them into a corner and made it clear they would impeach, the only question for the Repubs was would they protect their president or their party.

Now here we are, in the same position, only now it’s the Dems who are scared of their own shadows. There’s a thoroughly unpopular president, a damning list of crimes, and yet they feel pressured to do nothing because that’s the “safer” course. And hey, painting Trump as a corrupt bastard very well may be that, it might sway enough people to win the election next year. But it could also turn into a major liability, turned into our own “Benghazi!” that makes him look less like a crook and more like the victim of a partisan campaign. I personally look forward to the squirming and murmuring from our frontrunner Joe when he’s asked aloud on live TV if he feels Donny deserves to be impeached.

You can’t really compare that Republican party to today’s. That party helped create the EPA.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:04:32am

re: #179 Belafon

You can’t really compare that Republican party to today’s. That party helped create the EPA.

Right and that party wasn’t corrupted by Citizens United, Fox News and the NRA.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:07:59am

re: #179 Belafon

You can’t really compare that Republican party to today’s. That party helped create the EPA.

True enough. And Dems once used to rail against nukes. So yeah, the parties have changed and what happened yesterday isn’t guaranteed today. But that is just as true today, where what may seem “safe” today may seem like a huge liability tomorrow. Today it seems “safe” to just focus on the elections and put impeachment on the backburner, murmuring that we’ll take it up “later” when the timing more advantageous or the evidence more damning. But our enemies aren’t waiting for tomorrow, they’re out there today making impeachment a “dirty word” that they intend to weaponize against us. I wasn’t just joking about Joe, I fully expect the nomination to hinge on support or opposition of impeachment. And we need a better answer than “Maybe.”

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:11:20am

re: #179 Belafon

You can’t really compare that Republican party to today’s. That party helped create the EPA.

The party of Gerald Ford and Nelson Rockefeller was indeed rather different than today’s GOP.

I think it is true that the GOP of that time was very pro-big-business, but that is a trait that sort of transcends what Trumpism is all about.

The Americanism that was not only found in the GOP but also the Democratic party of that era was a hold over from the Great Depression and WWII, a sort of memory about an America that is now gone. It was a type of identity born out of conflict.

Today’s Trumpism is a type of nationalism that is very much about self-destruction. If you look carefully at Trump’s supporters, they cling to end-times beliefs and very much an escape from the real world.

I go on and on about “worldview collapse” here… but I don’t want to write a tome.

The rise of Trump has very much to do with a loss of faith, of a deep and disturbing creeping doubt.

Instead of going through the fires of existential angst, Trumpism is about taking on very frail cloaks of sloganism and emotional highs. Trump’s gatherings are like camp meetings. It is the rush of emotionalism… of the need to believe anything that helps avoid looking at the real failures of our society.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:12:04am

Here’s a pic meant for memes…

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:15:09am

re: #178 William Lewis

So after the annoucment it might not be safe to wear a kippa in Germany, their leading tabloid Bild printed this:

npr.org

Scary part is that Germany is probably one of the safest places to be a Jew in Europe right now…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:17:22am

re: #184 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Scary part is that Germany is probably one of the safest places to be a Jew in Europe right now…

That is incredibly ironic, isn’t it?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:20:49am

re: #83 ipsos

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area!

Oh wait… I’m not lawhawk. But I’m down in the city for the weekend and couldn’t resist.

And a big FU to the jerk next to me at the Yankees game last night who felt compelled to shout “God Bless America… AND NOBODY ELSE!” during the 7th inning mandatory patriotism break. Ugh.

Coming up next—waiting for the 7th Inning mandated singing of Gawd Bless The USA…

This is why I buy the MLB package and watch Pirate games at home…and it never fails that when I watch a game the Bucs lose… 🤬

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:23:38am

re: #121 sagehen

William Weld was on Real Time last night, did pretty well.

Maher: but do you really think you have a chance? Trump’s approval rating among Republicans is incredibly high.
Weld: 7 months is a long time in politics. A lot can happen between now and when primary voting starts.

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Weld’s campaign will be a rerun of Pete McCloskey’s challenge to Nixon in 1972. He’ll be lucky to wind up with a single vote at the conclave convention.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:23:46am

I’m gonna float a theory that I’m sure will get some angry muttering: Nancy won’t drop impeachment because that would mean Trump had “won.” That the only reason the Dem leadership keep it “on the table” is because of worry that saying they won’t impeach him because of fear over failure would embolden him. And that they figure on a tactical level that if they keep him railing against their investigations, then it will sway public sentiment against him. They had no desire to go through impeachment, they don’t even have a plan for such, but to admit such aloud would be a surrender and they won’t give Trump that satisfaction.

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Amory Blaine  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:27:24am

POS John Zeigler, saying something I agree with for the first time. Jesus Christ.

A Great Country Would Have Already Impeached Trump, But Maybe We Should Just Admit We No Longer Qualify

…The answer to the question of what to do about all this is not nearly as obvious as the evidence against Trump. My primary desire for Trump to at least be impeached, even if it was always obvious that, barring an economic collapse, the Republican Senate would never remove him, has been from the viewpoint of history and our future.

If Trump is not at least impeached for his already proven conduct (and to be clear, there are a lot of acts which may have happened, including in the realm of “collusion” with Russia, that have not been sufficiently proven), then how could a future president, perhaps one even more overtly dangerous than Trump, ever possibly be removed? The many horrific precedents being set here would include creating an absurd new rule that, unless the president’s own party widely agrees to remove them, that impeachment is effectively totally off the table.

However, as a practical matter, it is now possible that impeaching Trump may lead to an even greater “victory” for the president than I had previously thought. This calculus has changed because it is now very clear that the forces assembled to go into this battle are not prepared to do so in a way that at least results in an honorable defeat. (The best proof of this is that the process hasn’t even started yet. If Trump is really such a great risk to the republic, then why is there no haste?!)

Central to this reality is that Robert Mueller, an honorable but antiquated public servant who is ill-suited for these bizarre times, is clearly not willing to do what would be necessary for impeachment to be publicly viable among a populace which is lazy and ignorant. His supposedly dramatic statement Wednesday was far too nuanced and reserved to impact real voters, and was easily dismissed by the state-run “conservative” media as meaningless.

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:28:39am

re: #188 Targetpractice

I’m gonna float a theory that I’m sure will get some angry muttering: Nancy won’t drop impeachment because that would mean Trump had “won.” That the only reason the Dem leadership keep it “on the table” is because of worry that saying they won’t impeach him because of fear over failure would embolden him. And that they figure on a tactical level that if they keep him railing against their investigations, then it will sway public sentiment against him. They had no desire to go through impeachment, they don’t even have a plan for such, but to admit such aloud would be a surrender and they won’t give Trump that satisfaction.

I don’t know what to think anymore, that’s why I’m taking a break from all this and doing laundry. So u when I c u. And impeach the mother fucker.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:29:47am

re: #189 Amory Blaine

POS John Zeigler, saying something I agree with for the first time. Jesus Christ.

A Great Country Would Have Already Impeached Trump, But Maybe We Should Just Admit We No Longer Qualify

I’m often fond of honorable defeats. But I’m white, straight, male, and about to be fifty.

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Targetpractice  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:31:41am

re: #189 Amory Blaine

POS John Zeigler, saying something I agree with for the first time. Jesus Christ.

A Great Country Would Have Already Impeached Trump, But Maybe We Should Just Admit We No Longer Qualify

I rather think that’s the heart of the matter: that the party making the biggest noise about how a president* is a major danger to the future of democracy…is also the party making the most excuses for why they can’t take action against him.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:33:54am

On more than one occasion, Pence has been drawn into discussing “nones” and his claim that said group are not rising in America.

Because he can’t admit the truth. Pence can’t tell his supporters, and Trump’s, the truth.

The truth is this - evangelical/fundamentalist Christianity is slowly losing traction in America.

This is probably due to several reasons, but first and foremost is that the world is smaller with modern communications. Ideas, arguments, images… they come at us from all around the world.

This is why in regimes like North Korea or Saudi Arabia that the powers try to manage what gets distributed electronically… because once the doors open to the outside then the populace will start to believe other things than what keeps the leaders in power.

It’s why the PRC wants to control internet connections in China.

It’s a theme common around the world.

Here in the US it has long been the case that we have had a diversity of religions, though some like to think that is not the case. Today’s “nones” follow in the footsteps of Universalists of the 19th century who did not adhere to the rigid denominations of their day. Yet there was a common theistic undertone to that which many Americans practiced in the old days.

Today that is falling away. Two centuries of funding science has undermined old beliefs so totally that there just isn’t much left. Some can reconcile modernity with a kind of belief system but it is not the belief systems of centuries past.

In the approximate century since the Scopes trial our society has had to deal with how public policy can no longer be based on a comity of theists only. Now our society has to build on what only a small minority in the 18th century held - a truly secular society. Remember, while a number of founding fathers were radical thinkers, most of the colonists were still deeply religious.

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darthstar  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:34:51am

Trump’s bringing all of his adult spawn with him to the UK. That means Eric will be wiping boogers on the royal walls.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:38:36am

re: #182 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Today’s Trumpism is a type of nationalism that is very much about self-destruction. If you look carefully at Trump’s supporters, they cling to end-times beliefs and very much an escape from the real world.

I go on and on about “worldview collapse” here… but I don’t want to write a tome.

The rise of Trump has very much to do with a loss of faith, of a deep and disturbing creeping doubt.

I suspect many of Trump’s evangelical followers fervently believe, with every fiber of their being, that the end of the world is imminent, that any day now, Jesus himself is going to fly out of the clouds like Superman and sweep them all up to Heaven and smite their foes.

But with every passing day, week, month, year this event fails to transpire, they become ever more desperate - and more frightened. Not of the whole “wrath of God” thingy (they’re planning on skipping that part) but that maybe, just maybe……they might’ve been wrong about all that.

And wrong about a good many other things as well. Like you said, it’s worldview collapse.

And things can very ugly when a worldview implodes.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:38:40am

re: #189 Amory Blaine

POS John Zeigler, saying something I agree with for the first time. Jesus Christ.

A Great Country Would Have Already Impeached Trump, But Maybe We Should Just Admit We No Longer Qualify

This country has been on the decline since the first OPEC embargo in October 1973. Ever since then the middle class has been on the decline. The decline accelerated with the increasing implementation of the Powell Memorandum which was the blueprint which brought the New Right into power starting with Prop 13 in 1978.

If the Republicans and Putin rig the 2020 election to put Trump and the GOP back in full control it’s going to herald the end of the United States. The Economist has already downgraded the US to a “flawed democracy” and they are warning that they will drop the US to a lower level if Trump does get back in with the GOP taking back the House.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:39:52am

re: #171 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Why I don’t respect the military. They talk about honor, they have none. Rape. War crimes. Waste. Coverups

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:41:58am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I suspect many of Trump’s evangelical followers fervently believe, with every fiber of their being, that the end of the world is imminent, that any day now, Jesus himself is going to fly out of the clouds like Superman and sweep them all up to Heaven and smite their foes.

But with every passing day, week, month, year this event fails to transpire, they become ever more desperate - and more frightened. Not of the whole “wrath of God” thingy (they’re planning on skipping that part) but that maybe, just maybe……they might’ve been wrong about all that.

And wrong about a good many other things as well. Like you said, it’s worldview collapse.

And things can very ugly when a worldview implodes.

Wish that was happening but it’s not. What is happening is that the Xtians are becoming more radicalized and are increasing militia and alt-right activity. If by a miracle a Democrat wins in 2020, I fearTrump and the GOP will try to throw the election results out and Trump will call on the militias and radical Xtians to take to the streets to eliminate his foes.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:44:47am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

End of the world preachers have been working marks in this country for over a century. The usual suspects still do, on Youtube, podcasts, local events, etc. No matter how many times such preachers/prophets are shown to be wrong, more marks come.

There is an important reason for this: the marks want to be worked.

They want to escape.

They don’t want to face that their belief system is false.

There’s something to be said for the old Catholic saying of the “dark night of the soul”. Trump rallies are like crack cocaine - instant gratification to cover up the need to go on a long, dark journey.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:45:45am

re: #198 Joe Bacon 🌹

Very few of those Christians are that radicalized. I live among them. They like to think they’re right, but they’re not running around throwing holy water at people.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:50:07am

re: #200 Belafon

Very few of those Christians are that radicalized. I live among them. They like to think they’re right, but they’re not running around throwing holy water at people.

Most militias carry the christian identity but most christians are not militia. But a good chunk of Christians believe in armed remedies and fighting against “the other”. I consider them my opponents who are inherently dangerous.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:51:38am

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

I suspect many of Trump’s evangelical followers fervently believe, with every fiber of their being, that the end of the world is imminent, that any day now, Jesus himself is going to fly out of the clouds like Superman and sweep them all up to Heaven and smite their foes.

But with every passing day, week, month, year this event fails to transpire, they become ever more desperate - and more frightened. Not of the whole “wrath of God” thingy (they’re planning on skipping that part) but that maybe, just maybe……they might’ve been wrong about all that.

And wrong about a good many other things as well. Like you said, it’s worldview collapse.

And things can very ugly when a worldview implodes.

Yep. That’s a scenario I worry about, millions of fundies either losing their faith, with all it brings, or assume that because they aren’t “raptured”, that they are eternally condemned.

Millions of people suddenly not having any of the moral stops, because their faith was what provided them, they didn’t take the time to have a way of life where the stops are intrinsic, not depended of the waxing and waning of faith.

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:55:06am

re: #200 Belafon

Very few of those Christians are that radicalized. I live among them. They like to think they’re right, but they’re not running around throwing holy water at people.

Listen to the callers I deal with at work every day and you’ll realize that a high number of them ARE radical Xtians who will gladly pick up a gun to defend God’s Anointed King.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:58:27am

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Listen to the callers I deal with at work every day and you’ll realize that a high number of them ARE radical Xtians who will gladly pick up a gun to defend God’s Anointed King.

Pays to live in a Liberal Area if possible

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mmmirele  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:58:57am

One thing that we have to keep in mind is that there is a subset of Evangelicals, called “dominionists” who have dumped the whole notion of an imminent rapture and escape from the world. Instead, they believe they have to take over the “seven mountains” of social influence: religion, family, education, government, media, arts & entertainment, and business. (From: generals.org) Then they will present a cleaned up world in the image of what they think Jesus wants to Jesus at the Second Coming.

These people are dangerous because they’re likely to become more radical as they see how most people aren’t interested in their worldview. I’m certainly not interested in being forced to follow their religion, their beliefs about the family, their narrowmindedness regarding education, using the government to enforce their beliefs, “Christian” programming, “Christian” arts and entertainment and “Christian” business. NO FREAKING THANKS.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 10:59:41am

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Listen to the callers I deal with at work every day and you’ll realize that a high number of them ARE radical Xtians who will gladly pick up a gun to defend God’s Anointed King.

I’m sure it’s fun dealing with the 20% who make 80% of the noise. //

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:00:16am

re: #206 Belafon

I’m sure it’s fun dealing with the 20% who make 80% of the noise. //

It ain’t 20%. Much more than that.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:00:54am

re: #204 Old Liberal

Pays to live in a Liberal Area if possible

I’m sure it would be, but this area went for John Ratcliffe by 50% in the last election.

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Dr Lizardo  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:01:43am

re: #205 mmmirele

Dominionists are also exceedingly dangerous because they’re the most likely to become highly politically active and whereas other fundies might just stop participating in civic or political life if dealt a sufficient defeat, the Dominionists will instead double their efforts.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:01:54am

re: #203 Joe Bacon 🌹

Listen to the callers I deal with at work every day and you’ll realize that a high number of them ARE radical Xtians who will gladly pick up a gun to defend God’s Anointed King.

Are the callers you deal with in the first step of an inquiry, or are they the ones who have almost exhausted all resources, or all over the map? Or all over a map that nobody has ever printed?

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:02:59am

re: #208 Belafon

I’m sure it would be, but this area went for John Ratcliffe by 50% in the last election.

Is he D or R? Received 50% of vote or 50% more than opponent?

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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:03:24am

re: #210 wrenchwench

Are the callers you deal with in the first step of an inquiry, or are they the ones who have almost exhausted all resources, or all over the map? Or all over a map that nobody has ever printed?

A lot of them got sucked into the black hole of Fox News, Hate Radio and Right Wing Preachers…especially those receiving Supplemental Security Income for mental disorders…

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:04:09am

re: #207 Joe Bacon 🌹

It ain’t 20%. Much more than that.

I think he’s saying it may be 80% of your callers but 20% of the us population

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:04:14am

re: #211 Old Liberal

Is he D or R? Received 50% of vote or 50% more than opponent?

R, and he won 75 to 25. I’m in what’s considered the most conservative district in the country, and that’s saying a lot.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:05:49am

re: #214 Belafon

R, and he won 75 to 25. I’m in what’s considered the most conservative district in the country, and that’s saying a lot.

My word. Sending you thoughts and prayers old chap.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:07:26am

re: #214 Belafon

R, and he won 75 to 25. I’m in what’s considered the most conservative district in the country, and that’s saying a lot.

I left a 65/35 R county and went to South America. The stupid was absolutely pervasive.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:08:00am

re: #215 Old Liberal

My word. Sending you thoughts and prayers old chap.

Imagine being a member of the local Democratic party with those odds.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:10:25am

re: #217 Belafon

Imagine being a member of the local Democratic party with those odds.

If Orange County, CA can change, I have hope that anywhere can change. But I haven’t seen everywhere.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:12:17am

re: #218 wrenchwench

If Orange County, CA can change, I have hope that anywhere can change. But I haven’t seen everywhere.

I hope this place will, but there are roads just outside the city limits this white boy doesn’t drive down because of the Confederate flags.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:12:56am

re: #217 Belafon

Imagine being a member of the local Democratic party with those odds.

Like being a Mets fan I suppose. “Get ‘em next Year”.

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:14:53am

I know of people here who vote Republican because of abortion, and then complained to the mayor when he tried to institute a bathroom ordinance because of their trans children.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:14:55am

re: #219 Belafon

I hope this place will, but there are roads just outside the city limits this white boy doesn’t drive down because of the Confederate flags.

There’s a property about two minutes up the road from mine and the guy who lives there has it adorned with one American flag, two Gadsden flags and six, count ‘em, SIX confederate flags.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:15:43am

re: #221 Mescalero09

This Sons Of Anarchy remake looks like it’s going to suck ass.

Ok, you fooled me a bit there. :P

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Belafon  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:15:59am

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a property about two minutes up the road from mine and the guy who lives there has it adorned with one American flag, two Gadsden flags and six, count ‘em, SIX confederate flags.

I find the guy here a little funny because he’s flying other state flags because they have a Confederate flag embedded in them.

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Teukka  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:16:40am
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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:26:14am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:47:13am

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

morons, all of them.

apparently, in MAGAtland, “I didn’t know she was nasty” is completely different from calling her “nasty”.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:49:23am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

apparently, in MAGAtland, “I didn’t know she was nasty” is completely different from calling her “nasty”.

sounds perfectly deniable to me

I wonder how Boris Johnson is going to get out of those things he said about Trump visiting London…

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:53:54am

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

“Yes, I said she was nasty but I wasn’t actually CALLING HER NASTY. Why can’t you people understand that?”

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A Three Hour Tour  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:55:20am

re: #145 Targetpractice

As a resident of Virginia Beach, I should note that we just had newspaper articles last month about the anniversary of the Virginia Tech Shooting. And that I can’t turn on the local news channels any day of the week without the latest “breaking news” being yet another shooting or police investigations into a recent shooting. We had a huge festival here in VAB at the end of April that fell on what is traditionally a very busy week due to the huge college crowd, and the city was thrilled when it learned that all the added security meant this was the first such “College Beach Weekend” that didn’t end with one or more shootings.

To give you an idea of how myopic viewpoints are, there was a shooting less than a week ago in the neighboring city of Chesapeake that left 1 dead and 9 wounded. But you didn’t hear that on the national news last week because the cops don’t consider a “mass shooting” as it was two groups shooting at each other rather than one guy with a Rambo complex.

Yeah, the shooting over in Holly Cove. I grew up in Western Branch and had classmates that lived in that neighborhood decades ago, so, of course, local news of that shooting came across my Facebook feed. I used to ruefully joke that our local news in the seventies and eighties consisted of the previous days five shootings before getting to the day’s top story.

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SteelPH  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:55:36am

re: #230 Eclectic Cyborg

A distinction without a difference.

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 1, 2019 • 11:57:01am

This may be real, but I feel like we are getting trolled here.
Mobility Start-Up Is Bringing Shared Pogo Sticks to American Cities

In an era where opening a trampoline joint for fun exercise is a high liability risk business plan.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:04:17pm

I once had a stuffed little sheep toy/art piece made by a Navajo girl. I gave it to one of my German nieces. I’m looking for another one.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:08:52pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

That is a beautiful dress.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:09:32pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

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I once had a stuffed little sheep toy/art piece made by a Navajo girl. I gave it to one of my German nieces. I’m looking for another one.

Spent a good deal of time on and around the Navajo Reservation, hiking to Keet Seel ruins and Canyon de Chelly

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KGxvi  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:12:45pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

he just can’t fucking help himself, can he? any slight against him must be answered with escalating pettiness.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:13:16pm

re: #235 Eclectic Cyborg

That is a beautiful dress.

Baa Baa doesn’t look old enough to be the source of the wool, but it could have been woven by Ms. Joe’s mom or grama or aunt, for this and many other occasions.

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SteelPH  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:14:09pm

re: #228 Backwoods_Sleuth

Yeesh that account is a cavalcade of wingnutty retweets.

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wrenchwench  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:20:47pm

re: #239 SteelPH

Yeesh that account is a cavalcade of wingnutty retweets.

‘Cavalcade’ is a great word.

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Old Liberal  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:22:55pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

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I once had a stuffed little sheep toy/art piece made by a Navajo girl. I gave it to one of my German nieces. I’m looking for another one.

Sure nice dress and all but it is an obvious threat to white american culture (spits)

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Chrysicat  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:23:29pm

I know I’m like 5 minutes from the new thread, but I need to start getting this one signal-boosted:

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:25:16pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

‘Cavalcade’ is a great word.

It is. I am also quite fond of words like pastiche and menagerie.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:32:03pm

re: #240 wrenchwench

‘Cavalcade’ is a great word.

“Pig stampede” is more fitting, though

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Mescalero09  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:32:32pm

Off to business be good to one another.
Killer baritone guitar.

Snarky Puppy feat. Lucy Woodward - Too Hot To Last (Family Dinner - Volume One)

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:33:47pm

re: #223 Eclectic Cyborg

There’s a property about two minutes up the road from mine and the guy who lives there has it adorned with one American flag, two Gadsden flags and six, count ‘em, SIX confederate flags.

Please explain how flying the American flag and confederate battle flag next to a ne another is not a massive contradiction?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:37:02pm

re: #246 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Please explain how flying the American flag and confederate battle flag next to a ne another is not a massive contradiction?

If your family has some connection to the Confederacy, I can begin to see it as a sort of heritage thing, but when idiots in Northern states fly one, it is a clear case of sheer bloody-mindedness and blatant racism.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:37:10pm

re: #246 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Please explain how flying the American flag and confederate battle flag next to a ne another is not a massive contradiction?

Exactly.

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Rocky-in-Connecticut  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:38:04pm

re: #246 Colère Tueur de Lapin

Please explain how flying the American flag and confederate battle flag next to a ne another is not a massive contradiction?

Cognitive dissonance is at the foundation of right wing American Christian belief. I know so because I grew up knee-deep in it.

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Chrysicat  Jun 1, 2019 • 12:51:38pm

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