An Amazing Acoustic Jam: The Arcadian Wild, “Silence, a Stranger” [VIDEO]

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The Arcadian Wild’s “Silence, a Stranger” from their new album “Finch in the Pantry,” performed live at Longview Mansion in Nashville, TN. “Finch in the Pantry” releases on May 3rd. Pre-save the album now! - thearcadianwild.lnk.to

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Rightwingconspirator  Jun 2, 2019 • 8:38:27pm

That was delightful. Odd camera guy but loved the song.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 8:55:58pm
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Joe Bacon 🌹  Jun 2, 2019 • 8:56:04pm

Tuesday will be the last time that I will go to a precinct to vote because after that I will be permanently voting by mail. Am glad California is phasing in vote by mail statewide and they are phasing in centers where you can drop off your ballot and make sure it’s counted.

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Chrysicat  Jun 2, 2019 • 9:00:02pm
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Chrysicat  Jun 2, 2019 • 9:12:08pm

Oh, that “why I’m conservative” hashtag is just a cavalcade or maybe a plethora of folks who need schooling—this one is in the SAME DAMN THREAD as my first comment:

I know, 90% chance he’s a troll. But the problem is, they’re still successfully spreading this myth and will right up until the Roe, Griswold, Loving, and Brown reversals come down officially.

Not sure what people who honestly believe that the Rs are still the party of equality will do at that point, but I don’t see very many of the options as good (since one is “have a psychotic break from the proof of just how severe their cognitive dissonance actually was”.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 2, 2019 • 9:21:39pm

Cute break, baby gargoyle:

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Chrysicat  Jun 2, 2019 • 9:39:49pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:13:08pm

I hope the Queen tells Trump she’s can’t see him because she has to wash her hair.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:18:27pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:22:45pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:24:02pm
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teleskiguy  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:32:38pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 10:37:50pm

This is exactly why you don’t just hire some rando that lives in your condo complex to be on the Federal Reserve of the United States of America.

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goddamnedfrank  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:07:52pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:12:53pm

It’s a shit deal. What did anyone expect?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:17:28pm

re: #15 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Trump once called Jared Kushner’s Middle East plan the “deal of the century.”

This is another aspect of the New Media Reality: the way that our President makes such hyperbolic and unfounded claims (“the greatest”, “the most persecuted”, “deal of the century”, etc.), and is never taken to task over them.

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:32:30pm
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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:36:44pm
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 2, 2019 • 11:58:22pm

re: #17 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Trump still won’t blame the Saudi crown prince for the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, despite what his own CIA says. When asked by reporters on the South Lawn, he said: “When did this come up again? What are you back — are you back — are you back four months ago? No.”

Case closed - no dismemberment!

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 3, 2019 • 12:16:54am
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The Ghost of Quesos Past  Jun 3, 2019 • 12:33:01am

Since people were wondering in the last thread:

I’m currently about 5 minutes walk from Topkapi Palace in Istanbul.

Republic of Georgia lives up to the food hype. Trabzon only has one attraction and its currently closed. Goreme would have been cooler if I hadn’t messed up my foot and been on light duty.

I have ten days left, though the 4th and 5th everything’s closed for Eid. Trying to figure out if I want to visit the Dardanelles and/or Troy as long as I’m here.

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teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:11:53am

Wow. Very President. So Leadership. Big unifying.

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:16:34am

DIPLOMACY!!

making friends everywhere he goes.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:30:05am

Since Amazon Prime customers now have a selection of videos that are available but with advertisements (yeah, I wonder how long it will be before there is a Prime VIP where you can pay even more for Prime to avoid the adverts)… I decided to check out some shows.

I never watched Quantum Leap when it first ran so I decided to give it a try (I have seen clips before and it never impressed me much, but here I am now with time to spare looking for something to watch)… and something in episode 2 caught my eye:

This episode is supposed to be placed in 1956 (from the dialogue)… but I checked on GE radios of that time: radiomuseum.org

It would appear that GE still made tube radios at that time. Can anyone identify that radio?

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Dread Pirate Union Local 13  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:34:04am

…and then there’s Jared Kushner, a man who constantly looks like he was just reset to factory settings. - John Oliver

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teleskiguy  Jun 3, 2019 • 2:17:32am

Feel the love!

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:01:20am
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Scout  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:12:36am

re: #20 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

“Former Idaho GOP chairman arrested for masturbating in a wig outside his ex-wife’s home”

My friends and I were having a fun time trying to guess whether that meant he was wearing the wig or “shooting” into it.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:14:47am

re: #28 Scout

“Former Idaho GOP chairman arrested for masturbating in a wig outside his ex-wife’s home”

My friends and I were having a fun time trying to guess whether that meant he was wearing the wig or “shooting” into it.

toupee DP

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Chrysicat  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:32:59am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:47:30am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 3:50:14am

re: #31 Patricia Kayden

We need to go bold and expand the Supreme Court, to undo all the packing that has been done by Republicans in recent years.

We need to put Merrick Garland in at long last, and then three more judges to cancel out Gorsuch and Kavanaugh

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Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:08:14am

re: #21 The Ghost of Quesos Past

Since people were wondering in the last thread:

I’m currently about 5 minutes walk from Topkapi Palace in Istanbul.

Republic of Georgia lives up to the food hype. Trabzon only has one attraction and its currently closed. Goreme would have been cooler if I hadn’t messed up my foot and been on light duty.

I have ten days left, though the 4th and 5th everything’s closed for Eid. Trying to figure out if I want to visit the Dardanelles and/or Troy as long as I’m here.

Good to hear. At the nearest waterfront they used to dock daytrip cruises to the Marmara island holiday attractions and through the strait to the Black Sea coast (converted minesweepers). It’s a pleasant day, even if you get on the wrong boat and wind up in the wrong sea.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:10:28am

re: #2 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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If Trump and the GOP have decided that military conquest is now allowed again in the world can the more populated liberal states decide that they are going to invade the conservative states and impose liberal laws regarding human rights, voting, etc.?
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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:11:26am

re: #8 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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I hope the Queen tells Trump she’s can’t see him because she has to wash her hair.

Better yet, that the corgis need a bath and a good walk.

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Chrysicat  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:13:35am

re: #34 Feline Fearless Leader

If Trump and the GOP have decided that military conquest is now allowed again in the world can the more populated liberal states decide that they are going to invade the conservative states and impose liberal laws regarding human rights, voting, etc.?
//

I’m with you, but I’m also frightened to think of Big Empty Nevada as a “more populated state”. I realise it prolly has 5 representatives beginning in 2021, but it was a single-rep state in my lifetime! :-P

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:14:02am

re: #25 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

…and then there’s Jared Kushner, a man who constantly looks like he was just reset to factory settings. - John Oliver

Jared is the prototype for Romneybot Mk VI. They’re still working the bugs out.

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Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:16:01am

re: #34 Feline Fearless Leader

If Trump and the GOP have decided that military conquest is now allowed again in the world can the more populated liberal states decide that they are going to invade the conservative states and impose liberal laws regarding human rights, voting, etc.?
//

Don’t know if it’s an invasion, but we did get here on PCS orders from the Yankee Army.

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Chrysicat  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:33:22am

And because the stupid mourning dove nesting in our chimney was distracting me, I forgot to point out either here or there that if he had a 42-dollar monthly payment, what he had is one of those fig-leaf policies that was illegal from 2012 to 2017. Should I point that out, or will he just rage?
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jeffreyw  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:37:25am

Good morning!

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Decatur Deb  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:39:55am

re: #40 jeffreyw

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Good morning!

Beak is gros.

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:45:10am

re: #2 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

Every blue state needs to do this to protect reproductive rights.

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 3, 2019 • 4:47:14am

I finished watching The Wandering Earth on Netflix. I thought it was very well done and entertaining for a Chinese science fiction film, and I like the premise of moving mother Earth to a new sun when ours dies.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:16:38am

JFC

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:20:21am

“nasty” in scare quotes…good fucking grief

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:23:13am

Khan, you fuking small-handed, pudgy-thumbed dork

or did you get that spelling from CNN?

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:24:29am

re: #46 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Khan, you fuking small-handed, pudgy-thumbed dork

or did you get that spelling from CNN?

moron is feeling peckish after a long flight…was probably thinking of hot dogs

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I Would Prefer Not To  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:25:51am

Fuck trump.

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Chrysicat  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:25:54am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:42:12am

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

and the best part:

closed for renovations … BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:48:48am
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makeitstop  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:49:33am
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steve_davis  Jun 3, 2019 • 5:53:01am

re: #20 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

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masturbating in a wig, or into a wig? Journalists no longer have copy editors, so there’s a lot of ambiguous stuff and bad writing.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:04:59am
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steve_davis  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:05:34am

re: #39 Chrysicat

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And because the stupid mourning dove nesting in our chimney was distracting me, I forgot to point out either here or there that if he had a 42-dollar monthly payment, what he had is one of those fig-leaf policies that was illegal from 2012 to 2017. Should I point that out, or will he just rage?

Obamacare is responsible for the fact that I recently paid roughly a thousand dollars to discover there is apparently nothing wrong with my heart, rather than 5,000. With insurance, the ECG was 2700 bucks, of which my end was the rest of my deductible, or about 700 dollars. I don’t even want to know what they charge some poor bastard who doesn’t have the Blue Cross/Blue Shield negotiated rate. Oh, and then there was the 600 dollars in blood work that wound up costing me 25 bucks, and the 50 dollar copay to see the cardiologist, who otherwise would have apparently charged me 350 dollars for the 10 minute consult.

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MsJ  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:10:13am

Hello all!

Back from our whirlwind tour of France. I expect it will take three weeks to catch up.

Best part? I’m highly allergic to something in Provance. Arrived back in Canada and drove straight to the ER. Steroids and inhalers galore. Woot.

I’ll see y’all around once I dig out… Literally hundreds of work emails. Thank dog I’m off one more day.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:10:52am

re: #15 Dread Pirate Union Local 13

It’s not even a shit deal.

It’s a typical Trump vaporware plot full of empty platitudes and short on specifics.

The entire Arab Israeli conflict concentrates on specifics. Everyone parses every last word of proposals, of UN SCRs, etc.

Heck, take UN SCR 242. That was promulgated after the 6 Day War. There are two official versions. The French version and the US version. They are nearly identical - except that one version says withdrawal from territories while the other says withdrawal from the territories. The “the” is enough to get people tied up in knots. Trump sends his know nothing son in law to try and do a deal when he doesn’t know the basics of the situation and the Israeli government is in shambles.

Yeah, it wasn’t likely to succeed even if the stars aligned, and now there’s no chance in hell that a deal would happen.

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:14:44am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:18:13am

re: #54 Backwoods_Sleuth

London is one of the most creative, diverse and international cities in the world. Whoever you are and wherever you’re from, if you make this city your home, then you are a Londoner.

Before New York became the place that people from every nation in the world settled in, London occupied that role.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:18:27am

re: #12 teleskiguy

I know it’s shallow to harp on his clothing, but lord Cthulhu, his pants are up at his armpits and he is still walking on the cuffs. Why?

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:20:10am

re: #28 Scout

“Former Idaho GOP chairman arrested for masturbating in a wig outside his ex-wife’s home”

My friends and I were having a fun time trying to guess whether that meant he was wearing the wig or “shooting” into it.

53 One morning I shot an elephant in my pajamas

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Sir John Barron  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:20:13am

re: #22 teleskiguy

Wow. Very President. So Leadership. Big unifying.

I’m glad potus doesn’t take criticism personally; he just stays above the fray so well.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:22:14am

re: #55 steve_davis

Obamacare is responsible for the fact that I recently paid roughly a thousand dollars to discover there is apparently nothing wrong with my heart, rather than 5,000. With insurance, the ECG was 2700 bucks, of which my end was the rest of my deductible, or about 700 dollars. I don’t even want to know what they charge some poor bastard who doesn’t have the Blue Cross/Blue Shield negotiated rate. Oh, and then there was the 600 dollars in blood work that wound up costing me 25 bucks, and the 50 dollar copay to see the cardiologist, who otherwise would have apparently charged me 350 dollars for the 10 minute consult.

You is a soshialishist moocher. Bootstrap you’re whey too helth.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:23:04am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

I thought fake news like the Nancy Pelosi fake video is OK.

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MsJ  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:24:01am

re: #60 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I know it’s shallow to harp on his clothing, but lord Cthulhu, his pants are up at his armpits and he is still walking on the cuffs. Why?

He usually wears lifts. His cleats are shorter.

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Sir John Barron  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:24:58am

re: #23 sagehen

DIPLOMACY!!

making friends everywhere he goes.

Fearlessly facing down our allies since 2017.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:25:30am

re: #53 steve_davis

masturbating in a wig, or into a wig? Journalists no longer have copy editors, so there’s a lot of ambiguous stuff and bad writing.

Reporter; “Is it ‘first-hand’ with hypen or ‘first hand’ without?”

Editor -“Doesn’t make any difference!”

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:26:04am

re: #65 MsJ

He usually wears lifts. His cleats are shorter.

Ok, I can buy that…. WHY IS HE WEARING, sorry, his cleats anywhere but the course? Right, inconsiderate asshole.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:26:18am

re: #43 Shropshire Slasher

I finished watching The Wandering Earth on Netflix. I thought it was very well done and entertaining for a Chinese science fiction film, and I like the premise of moving mother Earth to a new sun when ours dies.

Ever read any of the James Blish “Cities in Flight” stories?

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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:26:33am
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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:27:28am

re: #60 Colère Tueur de Lapin

I know it’s shallow to harp on his clothing, but lord Cthulhu, his pants are up at his armpits and he is still walking on the cuffs. Why?

He’s got awful judgment on every aspect of his life?

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Sufficient unto the day...  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:27:52am
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Patricia Kayden  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:30:05am
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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:31:34am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

The only problem is that CNN is the primary source of news available from the U.S. After watching it for a short while, I turned it off.]

I believe I mentioned once that CNN world news is a different animal from what they inflict on us locally. He ain’t seen nothing yet.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:32:12am

re: #74 A hollow voice says, Inpeach…

I believe I mentioned once that CNN world news is a different animal from what they inflict on us locally. He ain’t seen nothing yet.

I have found the BBC to be neutral-leaning-to-favorable in reporting on DJT

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makeitstop  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:32:58am

re: #72 Sufficient unto the day…

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Someone on Twitter observed that he sounds almost exactly like Woody Allen.

I liked John Oliver’s version better.

Jared Kushner’s Voice

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Shropshire Slasher  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:34:04am

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Ever read any of the James Blish “Cities in Flight” stories?

No I have not, but if it is something you recommend, I always enjoy reading, I just hate picking stuff out.

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Teukka  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:35:12am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Reporter; “Is it ‘first-hand’ with hypen or ‘first hand’ without?”

Editor -“Doesn’t make any difference!”

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Oof. 🤦‍♂️🥶

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William Lewis  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:35:53am

re: #77 Shropshire Slasher

No I have not, but if it is something you recommend, I always enjoy reading, I just hate picking stuff out.

How about Lois McMaster Bujold? Vorkosigan especially, but her other fantasy work is excellent as well.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:38:47am

Jared’s an awful person, and his policies are even worse (and they’re the ones Trump relies upon).

If the Russians are passing along information about rivals during the election season, you’re supposed to inform the FBI. Those are the rules.

That Trumpworld thinks the rules don’t apply shows just how compromised they truly are.

That the GOP doesn’t care shows that they put party over nation.

That Democrats still aren’t going to impeach the fucker despite the mountain of evidence we know so far shows that they’re navel gazing and consulting too many 8 balls, and that they don’t have the stones to do that which must be done to protect and defend the nation and the Constitution.

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GlutenFreeJesus  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:39:11am
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Sir John Barron  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:39:34am

re: #44 Backwoods_Sleuth

JFC

Such a snowflake needs his safe space SAD.

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:40:21am

re: #77 Shropshire Slasher

No I have not, but if it is something you recommend, I always enjoy reading, I just hate picking stuff out.

It’s 1950s stuff and the basic premise is that an anti-gravity device allows large objects (in this case actual cities from Earth) to have space flight. I believe there are omnibus volumes of the main novels as well as being able to find them singly.

amazon.com

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Feline Fearless Leader  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:41:51am

re: #79 William Lewis

How about Lois McMaster Bujold? Vorkosigan especially, but her other fantasy work is excellent as well.

I will recommend just about any of the Bujold stuff as well. (She also has a fantasy/romance series.) Connie Willis SF is generally pretty good stuff as well. For the latter I’d say to start with _Domesday Book_ or _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.

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jeffreyw  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:42:20am

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

Ever read any of the James Blish “Cities in Flight” stories?

I tried to read them but the spin made me dizzy.

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A hollow voice says, Inpeach...  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:53:35am

re: #79 William Lewis

How about Lois McMaster Bujold? Vorkosigan especially, but her other fantasy work is excellent as well.

I’ve just been reminded of Kage Baker and the Company series.

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:56:19am

re: #72 Sufficient unto the day…

I still haven’t heard him actually SAY anything.

That was quite an impressive bit of disseminating. He can’t answer the question because it’s “yes, shit-for-brains is a racist and religious bigot”. Kushner thinks he’s being clever by saying he wasn’t “involved”; all he is showing is that he is naught but a sycophant.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 6:58:01am

re: #87 Colère Tueur de Lapin

That was quite an impressive bit of disseminating. He can’t answer the question because it’s “yes, shit-for-brains is a racist and religious bigot”. Kushner thinks he’s being clever by saying he wasn’t “involved”; all he is showing is that he is naught but a sycophant.

He is just practicing for when he is called to testify on criminal cases involving his father-in-law.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:03:36am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:09:21am
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retired cynic  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:12:11am

re: #53 steve_davis

masturbating in a wig, or into a wig? Journalists no longer have copy editors, so there’s a lot of ambiguous stuff and bad writing.

Maybe he was wearing a wig, and the copy editor thought it was more fun this way.

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:15:38am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s 1950s stuff and the basic premise is that an anti-gravity device allows large objects (in this case actual cities from Earth) to have space flight. I believe there are omnibus volumes of the main novels as well as being able to find them singly.

amazon.com

Cities in Flight was one of my favorites back in the day. Still have the books but I haven’t read them in perhaps 50 years. Might be time to dig them out. I remember especially the depression-era Okie metaphor, with the cities as migrants traveling around the universe “looking for work.”

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:30:48am

re: #92 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

Cities in Flight was one of my favorites back in the day. Still have the books but I haven’t read them in perhaps 50 years. Might be time to dig them out. I remember especially the depression-era Okie metaphor, with the cities as migrants traveling around the universe “looking for work.”

Brings to mind an old National Lampoon bit about “Amish in Space”

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Mike Lamb  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:37:29am

re: #80 lawhawk

Pretty sure Kushner was one of the ski douches in Better Off Dead.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:41:49am

Kushner is basically a villain from a Spider-Man movie. The smarmy fuck who sits across from Peter Parker at the dinner table while silently plotting how to kill him.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:42:29am

Also, those Trump comments about the London mayor. Ugh, I am so ashamed of this country right now.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:42:29am
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Mescalero09  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:46:09am

Troubled and influential. The wheel turns.

Roky Erickson, ‘Godfather Of Psychedelic Rock,’ Dead At 71

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steve_davis  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:47:39am

re: #67 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Reporter; “Is it ‘first-hand’ with hypen or ‘first hand’ without?”

Editor -“Doesn’t make any difference!”

[Embedded content]

Makes me wonder if the snake was eating the mouse in the same context that the disabled kids were giving handjobs. I would bet that forked tongue is popular as hell!

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MsJ  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:47:43am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

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danarchy  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:50:25am

re: #95 Eclectic Cyborg

Kushner is basically a villain from a Spider-Man movie. The smarmy fuck who sits across from Peter Parker at the dinner table while silently plotting how to kill him.

So Just ran through which villains in the movies Peter Parker has had dinner with and Jared Kushner doesn’t deserve to be in that company. Willem Defoe, Alfred Molina, Michael Keaton…

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:50:59am

THIS THREAD

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:51:01am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

You can’t go to a discount store for healthcare.
You can’t go to a discount store for healthcare.
You can’t go to a discount store for healthcare.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:51:47am

re: #100 MsJ

Question for the socialist masterminds who propose “single payer” will produce better healthcare… can “single payer” perform the same miracles for housing, food, and clothing

Can Penicillin also prevent cancer and solve world hunger?

No?

Then it’s BLOODY USELESS!!!

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:52:07am

re: #97 Backwoods_Sleuth

Kentuckians deserve access to affordable health care. I’m sorry that you hold such contempt for the people of your own state. Empathy is something sorely lacking in government.

Empathy is sorely lacking in any state run by the modern Republican Party. This lack of empathy is a key characteristic of the party and is transmitted to all who can be persuaded to vote for the party.

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:52:29am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

THIS THREAD

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Orange asshole will still claim YUGE crowds anyway, but that thread is fucking hilarious.

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steve_davis  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:53:33am

re: #91 retired cynic

Maybe he was wearing a wig, and the copy editor thought it was more fun this way.

in fairness, the reporter actually was clear in the story. it’s the headline writer (who almost never is the reporter) who managed to create comedy with brevity. Though I’ve written headlines before, and it is a real art. First, you almost never know or care what the story is about, and second, you are constantly having to find ways to fit the headline into the preordained space left by the lay-out person.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:54:48am

re: #107 steve_davis

in fairness, the reporter actually was clear in the story. it’s the headline writer (who almost never is the reporter) who managed to create comedy with brevity. Though I’ve written headlines before, and it is a real art. First, you almost never know or care what the story is about, and second, you are constantly having to find ways to fit the headline into the preordained space left by the lay-out person.

All I can say is that the next person to wear that hairpiece will have hell toupee…

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:58:13am

re: #84 Feline Fearless Leader

I will recommend just about any of the Bujold stuff as well. (She also has a fantasy/romance series.) Connie Willis SF is generally pretty good stuff as well. For the latter I’d say to start with _Domesday Book_ or _To Say Nothing of the Dog_.

Connie Willis is AWESOME!!

Those named are good opening choices. But eventually, Blackout/All Clear (two separate books, one story) is incredible. Doomsday and Blackout/All Clear both won the Hugo and the Nebula.

She’s also got a couple of collections of short stories; Impossible Things is my fave.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:58:54am

WTF

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steve_davis  Jun 3, 2019 • 7:59:46am

re: #108 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

All I can say is that the next person to wear that hairpiece will have hell toupee…

“Why is this toupee stiff as a dinner plate?”

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:00:00am

re: #106 Eclectic Cyborg

Orange asshole will still claim YUGE crowds anyway, but that thread is fucking hilarious.

I enjoyed the observation that more people show up for the changing of the guard.

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:01:57am

re: #102 The Vicious Babushka

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:02:39am

re: #112 Backwoods_Sleuth

I enjoyed the observation that more people show up for the changing of the guard.

The changing of the guard is cooler and more entertaining than Trump will ever be.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:04:13am

re: #114 Eclectic Cyborg

The changing of the guard is cooler and more entertaining than Trump will ever be.

The only reason Trump goes to these things is because of the pomp and circumstance. That’s why he wanted military parades, and wanted to replicate the French Bastille Day celebrations. He loves a parade (especially when it’s to himself).

He doesn’t care about anything or anyone else.

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:05:41am

He can’t stay at Buckingham Palace because they’re doing renovations.

For the record, there’s 52 guest rooms at Buckingham Palace.

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Teukka  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:07:04am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:13:26am

re: #116 sagehen

He can’t stay at Buckingham Palace because they’re doing renovations.

For the record, there’s 52 guest rooms at Buckingham Palace.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:15:17am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:17:46am

re: #119 Backwoods_Sleuth

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I hear there’s a room open. Needs a little cleaning.

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Belafon  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:18:55am

re: #120 Eventual Carrion

I hear there’s a room open. Needs a little cleaning.

And the wifi works if you’re not a total jerk.

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:19:06am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:19:17am

re: #117 Teukka

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And they said Obama was classless.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:19:34am
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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:20:01am

re: #117 Teukka

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Dios mio, there really is a tRump tweet for every occasion…

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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:20:39am

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Caught the game and him last night. Man I miss him. Not just his ideological goals but how he carried himself as a lesderZ

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:20:54am

facebook.com

This poster hits the nail on the proverbial head. Troubled as they were in many respects, the 1960s were the heyday of the prosperous middle class, made possible largely by the tax structure of the time. If you were rich, you either invested in something worthwhile or you lost it to Uncle Sam. I think there is a connection between that and daring feats of innovation and progress. We saw this not just in technology but in music and the arts.


Naturally, the Trumpites and Reagan dupes want to disagree.
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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:23:25am

re: #122 Archangelus

Natan Sharansky formed a party because the Russian Jews weren’t getting taken seriously by Likud.

Likud has veered to the hard right because of their need to get a coalition and cozied up to the religious parties to maintain a coalition.

Israelis want the orthodox to participate in the military/public service and eliminate the exemptions for public service.

That, more than anything else, is why elections were called in the first place, and why Bibi couldn’t form a new government and now needs to have new elections.

The origin of the exemption goes back to the foundation of the Jewish state, and the religious parties have protected that exemption zealously despite a majority of Israelis wanting to see everyone serve.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:26:15am

re: #125 Archangelus

Dios mio, there really is a tRump tweet for every occasion…

The Queen does not have to play along with the charade that there is anything redeeming about him and let him stay under her roof.

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Teukka  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:26:27am

re: #117 Teukka

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Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:27:04am

re: #93 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Brings to mind an old National Lampoon bit about “Amish in Space”

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One of the interesting and almost prescient aspects of much (but not all) of Blish’s work is that he postulated a future that would still include relatively unsophisticated people. This is in contrast to work like the original Star Trek, in which not only educational standards but intelligence itself seem to have progressed almost beyond recognition. Ironically Blish himself was hired to write the Star Trek novelizations, which he did as faithfully as possible to Roddenberry’s optimistic vision.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:28:51am

the view from AF1 during landing at Stansted; NSFW for some folks

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ckkatz  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:29:54am

re: #24 Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus

Likely solid-state and closer to the mid-1960’s to 1970’s.

This one has more descrription so I’m putting it first.

etsy.com

This looks closer to the actual model:

ebay.ie

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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:30:39am

re: #130 Teukka

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Says the man baby with no accomplishments who consistently polls below 50%. The world needs to celebrate when Trump goes.

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Teukka  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:31:51am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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A warm and roasty welcome :D

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:32:18am

re: #128 lawhawk

Israelis want the orthodox to participate in the military/public service and eliminate the exemptions for public service.

That, more than anything else, is why elections were called in the first place, and why Bibi couldn’t form a new government and now needs to have new elections.

The origin of the exemption goes back to the foundation of the Jewish state, and the religious parties have protected that exemption zealously despite a majority of Israelis wanting to see everyone serve.

The exemption made sense AT THE TIME. 1/3 of the world’s Jews were dead, 90% of the Yeshivah students. The top-notch talmudic scholars still existing could be counted on your fingers. It was important they be given facilities, stipends and exemptions so they could rebuild the religion.

But 4 generations later, there’s tens of thousands of wanna-be religious scholars (and their even more numerous offspring), perpetual grad students really. 90% of them aren’t very good at it, half of them are real assholes about it, and they’re a huge drain on the rest of the country.

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:34:35am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:36:58am

re: #137 sagehen

Now that would be some epic trolling.

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:37:23am

re: #128 lawhawk

Natan Sharansky formed a party because the Russian Jews weren’t getting taken seriously by Likud.

Likud has veered to the hard right because of their need to get a coalition and cozied up to the religious parties to maintain a coalition.

Yes for the most part, except that the cozying up to the religious parties dates back all the way to the mid 1990s, when Likud and Shas first became best buds with the initial alliance between Likud’s Netanyahu and Shas’s Aryeh Derei. Both of whom still lead their respective parties today after having taken breaks in between (Netanyahu due to his election loss and Derei due to his years in a jail for crimes committed while in office).

The hard-right turn is a much more recent development by comparison. And most of the religious parties had no problem aligning themselves with left and centrist governments before, as they were considered sectorial parties representing the specific interests of their communities beyond the military service issue.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:37:27am

re: #137 sagehen

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Teukka  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:37:51am

re: #138 Eclectic Cyborg

Now that would be some epic trolling.

Now, that is a brand belonging to the Lidl store chain. They are excellent quality fries.

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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:39:06am

re: #140 Backwoods_Sleuth

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Awesome trolling but at the same time I cannot get over what a petty asshole our President is.

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:41:20am

re: #132 Backwoods_Sleuth

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:42:31am

re: #136 sagehen

Not just that, but the demographics; the orthodox community is growing significantly, while the secular community is not growing as fast, which means that a smaller and smaller portion of the country’s eligible population is serving in the military and it disproportionately falls on the secular Israelis to do military service.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:44:25am

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

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This poster hits the nail on the proverbial head. Troubled as they were in many respects, the 1960s were the heyday of the prosperous middle class, made possible largely by the tax structure of the time. If you were rich, you either invested in something worthwhile or you lost it to Uncle Sam. I think there is a connection between that and daring feats of innovation and progress. We saw this not just in technology but in music and the arts.

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Naturally, the Trumpites and Reagan dupes want to disagree.

I attended college in the mid 1960s when even good private schools were relatively affordable. We were poor, not middle class, and my tuition and most of room and board were funded through a scholarship. But the 1960s were a time of turmoil— the assassination of a President, his brother, and a civil rights icon, a draft which sent millions of young Americas to fight an endless war in Vietnam, violence in the South over civil rights, the ever present fear of nuclear holocaust. Yes — it made an attempt to end Jim Crow, provide equal rights to women, gave us Medicare but it was an epoch of fear and uncertainty. It was not an idyllic era.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:47:09am

re: #144 lawhawk

Not just that, but the demographics; the orthodox community is growing significantly, while the secular community is not growing as fast, which means that a smaller and smaller portion of the country’s eligible population is serving in the military and it disproportionately falls on the secular Israelis to do military service.

And the most of the orthodox community tends not to interested in the science and technology that propels modern Israel. They study the thoughts of the past and not the words of the future.

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Love-Child of Cassandra and Sisyphus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:47:26am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:52:36am
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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:53:28am
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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:54:16am

re: #144 lawhawk

Not just that, but the demographics; the orthodox community is growing significantly, while the secular community is not growing as fast, which means that a smaller and smaller portion of the country’s eligible population is serving in the military and it disproportionately falls on the secular Israelis to do military service.

One solution to this matter would be the transition of the military service from the antiquated mandatory draft model to a professional service model as is used by nearly all nation states around the world.
There were actually several committees launched by the Israeli government and the IDF itself that ended up proposing this as a solution. The last of them, headed by former IDF Intelligence Chief Amos Malka, recommended getting rid of the draft in part on account both aspects of inefficiency and the fact that the growing social inequality between those who serve and those who don’t renders the older “national melting pot” argument in its favor null and void.
At the end of the day, however, while a few of the committee recommendations were applied to some degree, the main matter of the transition has been left in the air due to the political problems inherent with setting it in motion, and the problematic status quo has been preserved and nothing changed for the time being.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 8:56:13am

re: #127 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

This poster hits the nail on the proverbial head. Troubled as they were in many respects, the 1960s were the heyday of the prosperous middle class, made possible largely by the tax structure of the time. … I think there is a connection between that and daring feats of innovation and progress. We saw this not just in technology but in music and the arts.

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We also had a matter of national prestige, a rival ideology that we had to keep ahead of.

Now we squander our resources and energies fighting asymmetrical wars with rebel bands hiding in mountain caves or the rubble of ruined cities.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:01:21am

re: #150 Archangelus

The Tal Committee tried to thread the needle with requiring mandatory service of some form - either public service or military service, but it ran into opposition from the Orthodox parties who don’t want any change in exemption status.

Professionalizing the IDF would make sense if Israel had a far larger population than it does. Their need for servicemembers has meant everyone needs to participate in some fashion; that’s why they have to call up reserves every time there’s a flareup with Hamas or Hizbullah.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:03:20am

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of the interesting and almost prescient aspects of much (but not all) of Blish’s work is that he postulated a future that would still include relatively unsophisticated people. This is in contrast to work like the original Star Trek, in which not only educational standards but intelligence itself seem to have progressed almost beyond recognition.

Members of Star Fleet all had to belong to the educated elite.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:03:55am

re: #151 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We also had a matter of national prestige, a rival ideology that we had to keep ahead of.

Now we squander our resources and energies fighting asymmetrical wars with rebel bands hiding in mountain caves or the rubble of ruined cities.

As opposed to fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia? And, as now, most of the wealthy managed to avoid the fight — cf Cadet Bone Spurs.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:07:19am

re: #145 Hecuba’s daughter

…the 1960s were a time of turmoil— the assassination of a President, his brother, and a civil rights icon, a draft which sent millions of young Americas to fight an endless war in Vietnam, violence in the South over civil rights, the ever present fear of nuclear holocaust. … it was an epoch of fear and uncertainty. It was not an idyllic era.

We still lived in the hope that things would get better through science and technology, still believed that if you worked hard you could have a better life for you and your children.

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:11:07am

re: #152 lawhawk

The Tal Committee tried to thread the needle with requiring mandatory service of some form - either public service or military service, but it ran into opposition from the Orthodox parties who don’t want any change in exemption status.

Professionalizing the IDF would make sense if Israel had a far larger population than it does. Their need for servicemembers has meant everyone needs to participate in some fashion; that’s why they have to call up reserves every time there’s a flareup with Hamas or Hizbullah.

Very good point. They are surrounded by enemies (or at least not friends), all of which have larger populations. Bibi certainly never seemed interested in trying to convert these neighbors to allies; instead he seems more inclined to work with certain ruthless dictatorships like Saudi Arabia.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:12:16am

re: #144 lawhawk

Not just that, but the demographics; the orthodox community is growing significantly, while the secular community is not growing as fast, which means that a smaller and smaller portion of the country’s eligible population is serving in the military and it disproportionately falls on the secular Israelis to do military service.

I also remember the Nahal Haredi experiment of 20 years ago. The IDF created a special battalion for ultra-Orthodox soldiers where they would have no female officers or comrades, get fed B’Datz kosher food, etc. My son enlisted in this battalion and it was a very good experience for him.

The reason it was a failure: the Haredi were not particularly politically oriented. The Nahal Haredi exposed them to political ideas, unfortunately many became extremely right-wing (in addition to their religiosity).

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:12:21am
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William Lewis  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:13:05am

re: #153 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

Members of Star Fleet all had to belong to the educated elite.

Getting into Star Fleet Academy was like a cross between having to get a BSc with 1st class honors from someplace at least as good as Oxford and then getting into Annapolis in competition. Seriously high end elites. Roddenberry though thought everyone would be that good by the time of TNG - he was a wee bit more grounded in reality during the era of TOS’s production.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:16:02am

re: #159 William Lewis

Getting into Star Fleet Academy was like a cross between having to get a BSc with 1st class honors from someplace at least as good as Oxford and then getting into Annapolis in competition. Seriously high end elites. Roddenberry though thought everyone would be that good by the time of TNG - he was a wee bit more grounded in reality during the era of TOS’s production.

Yes and in Deep Space Nine we had a planet full of agrarian religious mystics, some of whom wanted to return to the caste system.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:16:48am

re: #155 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

We still lived in the hope that things would get better through science and technology, still believed that if you worked hard you could have a better life for you and your children.

Each of us experienced it differently. For some, hope died in the assassinations Hd mentioned. Hence the rioting in ‘68. Feminism was not yet in a place to offer hope. Classism was there and is still here. Racism is so persistent that some call it ‘human nature’.

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William Lewis  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:19:04am

re: #154 Hecuba’s daughter

As opposed to fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia? And, as now, most of the wealthy managed to avoid the fight — cf Cadet Bone Spurs.

Even by the standards of the Vietnam war, the waste of lives, money, material, etc is much worse this time. Remember, we really only were there from 65 (tonkin) to 73 and Operation Enduring Stupidity is at 17 years, 7 months, 3 weeks and 6 days and counting.

I remember telling people we’d still be there in 20 years but that was BDS…

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Hecuba's daughter  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:19:18am

re: #157 The Vicious Babushka

I also remember the Nahal Haredi experiment of 20 years ago. The IDF created a special battalion for ultra-Orthodox soldiers where they would have no female officers or comrades, get fed B’Datz kosher food, etc. My son enlisted in this battalion and it was a very good experience for him.

The reason it was a failure: the Haredi were not particularly politically oriented. The Nahal Haredi exposed them to political ideas, unfortunately many became extremely right-wing (in addition to their religiosity).

Making special accommodations for diet is fine — but confirming soldiers in their ideas about the appropriate place for women is detrimental to the well-being of a functioning democracy. How is that is any different from the United States having special battalions of white Southerners who would not have African-American comrades or officers?

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:19:18am

re: #161 wrenchwench

Racism is so persistent that some call it ‘human nature’.

It is still a hard-wired homo sapiens reaction to feel somehow threatened by people who look and act differently than what we are used to. But that is what education and culture are supposed to help overcome, not reinforce.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:20:07am

heh

looks like melanoma is going for the Mary Poppins look.

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gocart mozart  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:20:10am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:21:00am

re: #163 Hecuba’s daughter

Making special accommodations for diet is fine — but confirming soldiers in their ideas about the appropriate place for women is detrimental to the well-being of a functioning democracy. How is that is any different from the United States having special battalions of white Southerners who would not have African-American comrades or officers?

Israel can never be a fully functional democracy if it still seeks to accommodate an archaic, patriarchal sect of its state religion.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:21:56am
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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:21:58am
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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:22:37am
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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:24:10am

re: #169 Backwoods_Sleuth

She gave him a book hahahahaha

and he does not get the dig

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:24:23am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is still a hard-wired homo sapiens reaction to feel somehow threatened by people who look and act differently than what we are used to. But that is what education and culture are supposed to help overcome, not reinforce.

‘Hard wired’ is not a term with any basis in biology. ‘Education and culture’ are a less physical way (than say, militarism) to control a population. Prevailing theories are prevailing theories, sometimes more, but not always.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:25:51am

re: #172 wrenchwench

‘Hard wired’ is not a term with any basis in biology. ‘Education and culture’ are a less physical way (than say, militarism) to control a population. Prevailing theories are prevailing theories, sometimes more, but not always.

It is a descriptive term. We evolved in small groups where we knew and recognized everyone, and any outsider was a potential threat. We are learning to overcome that, but that gut reaction is still present in a lot of people.

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Belafon  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:30:33am

re: #164 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is still a hard-wired homo sapiens reaction to feel somehow threatened by people who look and act differently than what we are used to. But that is what education and culture are supposed to help overcome, not reinforce.

Based on what I’ve seen with young animals that get paired up with those from a different species (including humans), I would argue that while babies are not born with any prejudices, the survival trait quickly develops to recognize those around you as friendly. We all know that young children can quickly develop a sense of which group they belong to, and become unfriendly to those they aren’t used to. And that can get easily reinforced when they see parents react to certain people and groups negatively.

Edited to change not to and

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:34:08am
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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:34:16am

re: #173 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

It is a descriptive term. We evolved in small groups where we knew and recognized everyone, and any outsider was a potential threat. We are learning to overcome that, but that gut reaction is still present in a lot of people.

That’s your prevailing theory.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:34:47am

re: #174 Belafon

Based on what I’ve seen with young animals that get paired up with those from a different species (including humans), I would argue that while babies are not born with any prejudices, a survival trait quickly develops to recognize those around you as friendly. We all know that young children can quickly develop a sense of which group they belong to, not become unfriendly to those they aren’t used to. And that can get easily reinforced when they see parents react to certain people and groups negatively.

and when a culture, political and education system all confirm those biases, they grow pretty damn hard to budge.

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wrenchwench  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:37:00am

re: #177 Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))

and when a culture, political and education system all confirm those biases, they grow pretty damn hard to budge.

Depends on your methodology. Not always that hard.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:39:00am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:39:40am

How long is Trump in the UK for?

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:40:07am
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mmmirele  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:41:22am

My online buddies Dee Parsons and Amy Smith are featured in an article in today’s Washington Post about how they’ve gotten justice for people sexually abused in Evangelical churches! They’ve kickstarted a huge discussion and more reporting, like the Houston Chronicle article I shared yesterday about sex abuse in the SBC’s International Mission Board.

washingtonpost.com

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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:43:11am

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel, Friend of Moose and Squirrel

One of the interesting and almost prescient aspects of much (but not all) of Blish’s work is that he postulated a future that would still include relatively unsophisticated people. This is in contrast to work like the original Star Trek, in which not only educational standards but intelligence itself seem to have progressed almost beyond recognition. Ironically Blish himself was hired to write the Star Trek novelizations, which he did as faithfully as possible to Roddenberry’s optimistic vision.

Charles Stross’ universe is rife with both sophisticated and unsophisticated exemplars of humanity. But it also does so by interjecting one unexplained supernatural event the causes a human diaspora throughout the universe. After that, he pretty much keeps his SciFi sciency.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:43:34am
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Eventual Carrion  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:44:57am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

How long is Trump in the UK for?

Longer than he would like I’m sure.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:45:57am

I don’t know WTF an ARMYSelca is, but this is funny:

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:46:01am
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Eclectic Cyborg  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:46:04am
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Colère Tueur de Lapin  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:47:49am

re: #148 Backwoods_Sleuth

Obama’s smile is genuine. I miss real emotion.

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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:49:19am

Trumporrhoid is butthurt by the baby blimp. What a dainty li’l snowflake. Go drink a milkshake.

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BlueSpotinAL  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:53:07am
It’s like near-the-end Marlon Brando mated with Martin Short’s Ed Grimley

Trump looks like near-the-end Marlon Brando who ate the butter after he forgot what he was originally going to use it for.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:54:42am

Apparently, the ARMYSelcaDay hashtag is something something Korean boy-band fan tributes something?

Harrumph!

*(shakes cane at whippersnappers on lawn, puts Soundgarden on repeat, cranks up volume)*

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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 9:57:56am

re: #190 The Vicious Babushka

Trumporrhoid is butthurt by the baby blimp. What a dainty li’l snowflake. Go drink a milkshake.

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Somehow I doubt Julia was bothered by racist caricatures of Barack Obama and his family.

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Backwoods_Sleuth  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:03:16am

re: #180 Eclectic Cyborg

How long is Trump in the UK for?

three days

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:06:46am

re: #152 lawhawk

The Tal Committee tried to thread the needle with requiring mandatory service of some form - either public service or military service, but it ran into opposition from the Orthodox parties who don’t want any change in exemption status.

Professionalizing the IDF would make sense if Israel had a far larger population than it does. Their need for servicemembers has meant everyone needs to participate in some fashion; that’s why they have to call up reserves every time there’s a flareup with Hamas or Hizbullah.

Sadly, there were quite a few committees that barely saw the light of day for all intents and purposes that wouldn’t have even required anything of the Orthodox communities, so they wouldn’t have been an obstacle.

As to the issue of numbers/population (warning: long post ahead):
I’ve seen the population size argument with regard to reserve units before and it’s usually been deemed less of a factor than what you might expect. A lot of this is tied to funding as well as many things within the IDF structure that go back decades (and could take hours to get into properly). Furthermore, at the end of the day, this is an issue that deals primarily with those who see operational deployment - the combat soldiers, regular and reservists alike…

… who represent just 14-16% of the ENTIRETY of the IDF.

One of the things brought up by the Malka Committee that DID see the light of day and saw some attempt at a solution was the effort to address the rampant bloating within the IDF structure. There were far, far, FAR too many in IDF service at the time whose actual roles were so ridiculously trivial or outright useless that they basically spent most of their draft service just passing the time waiting for it to be over, and doing nothing short of taking up a “teken” (an “IDF standard”, meaning a role that has to be be assigned and often exists solely due to bureaucratic history). While the Committee’s efforts addressed this to a degree, there remains a LOT of unnecessary bloating and useless positions employed by tens of thousands to this day, and a restructuring of the military as was proposed at the time would also have freed up considerable funds and infrastructure to reinforce the combat units substantially.

Lastly, and I simply have to point this out - many of those reserve units that get called to action? Loads of them prove to be in terrible professional shape, putting their very usefulness into question.
Reservists are generally “required” to perform “reserve service” for a few days every few months on average until they’re discharged, usually near the age of 40 (it’s somewhat flexible depending on the units). Thing is, for a LOT of them, this “service” basically amounts to just showing up and sitting around while drinking coffee and eating for those few days. I’ve witnessed it myself, and heard stories aplenty from friends in the country who are active reservists.
Oh, and sometimes, the reserve service has little to nothing to do with what you might have actually done in regular draft service. Oh, and the “requirement” can and is played with, by many. Oh, and there’s almost never any consequences for bad conduct.

There’s no escaping it - even those I know who do it properly have loads of stories about how many of their fellow reservists just won’t do sh*t. And really, why should a bunch of 30+ year olds put up with taking orders barked out of the mouth of some 19-20 year old shmuck with little actual authority and delusions of superiority because he’s a lieutenant fresh out of officer training while they’re “just staff sergeants” or “civvies in uniform” stuck in the middle of nowhere?
Even if units do maintain their training and fully commit to the reserve service, they generally perform poorly when pressed into active service compared to the regular IDF units. And the absence of a good infrastructure to support them in the field was also what resulted in failures when dealing with Hamas and Hezbollah, and was on full display in the Second Lebanon War.

At the end of the day, a small but well trained, fully-supported regular force serving because it’s their chosen career will surely do better than a slightly bigger but nowhere-as-professional and poorly-supported unit of average folks who are forced to do it and may not give a damn…

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:13:37am
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The Vicious Babushka  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:14:17am

WTFITS
I really do not think that 100 naked women, or for that matter 100 fully clothed persons of all genders, can pick up all the trash west of the Mississippi all on their own in one weekend.

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lawhawk  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:18:54am

re: #197 The Vicious Babushka

1) the people were protesting Facebook’s policies as being biased against women.

Guys can show their nipples without fear or consequences in photos/videos, but women doing the same are blocked/content taken down, or banned.

2) false analogy is false.

3) people do try to clean up the garbage. It’s called Earth Day, and local communities hold events to clean up garbage strewn/left by others.

4) it takes a lot more than a hundred, or even 1000 people to clean up all the garbage.

5) see 2.

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FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:25:34am
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HappyWarrior  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:31:51am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

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Bernie really is the Trump of the left and this furthers that belief.

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sagehen  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:32:06am

re: #195 Archangelus

Lastly, and I simply have to point this out - many of those reserve units that get called to action? Loads of them prove to be in terrible professional shape, putting their very usefulness into question.
Reservists are generally “required” to perform “reserve service” for a few days every few months on average until they’re discharged, usually near the age of 40 (it’s somewhat flexible depending on the units). Thing is, for a LOT of them, this “service” basically amounts to just showing up and sitting around while drinking coffee and eating for those few days. I’ve witnessed it myself, and heard stories aplenty from friends in the country who are active reservists.

Counterpoint: 1973.

I don’t know how old you are, if you remember that or it’s just something you’ve read about and heard stories about…

But when push came to shove, when the reserves were needed, you were able to field close to 2 million fully-trained, fully-equipped, combat-ready troops in about 90 minutes. And where comms were vague, or centralized orders slow to come, there were units with the experience and initiative to do what needed doing where it needed doing.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:36:30am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

This is just as bad as Trump screaming about “fake news”. So fucking depressing that it’s coming from the far left.

That represents my attitude about Trump, but their approach to it is pretty self-defeating.

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Wendell Zurkowitz ((slave to the waffle light))  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:38:40am

re: #198 lawhawk

1) the people were protesting Facebook’s policies as being biased against women.

Guys can show their nipples without fear or consequences in photos/videos, but women doing the same are blocked/content taken down, or banned.

take on Facebook policies on toplessness after you removed all the local laws and ordinances that forbid women from baring their nipples in public but not men.

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Archangelus  Jun 3, 2019 • 10:48:37am

re: #201 sagehen

Counterpoint: 1973.

Counter-Counterpoint: 2006.

Three decades make for quite a difference.

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Khal Wimpo (the extinguisher of tiki torches)  Jun 3, 2019 • 11:17:35am

re: #83 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s 1950s stuff and the basic premise is that an anti-gravity device allows large objects (in this case actual cities from Earth) to have space flight. I believe there are omnibus volumes of the main novels as well as being able to find them singly.

amazon.com

Blish’s Cities In Flight is responsible for me learning the 1930s word “Bindlestiff.”

In the 30s, it was a hobo that robbed other hoboes.

In the books, it was a city that preyed on other cities as they wandered the galaxy.

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retired cynic  Jun 3, 2019 • 11:17:54am

re: #196 FormerDirtDart 🍕🐀

Oh hell no!

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Old Liberal  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:04:12pm

re: #96 Eclectic Cyborg

Also, those Trump comments about the London mayor. Ugh, I am so ashamed of this country right now.

Yep. Our governmental institutions are a shameful mess.

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Old Liberal  Jun 3, 2019 • 1:06:10pm

re: #118 Backwoods_Sleuth

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It’s tough to get urine out of mattresses


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